Are You A Charlotte? - Wrong Ring Wrong Man with Simon Curtis... (S4 E12 "Just Say Yes")

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Kristin and Simon continue the conversation and analyze Carrie and Aiden's engagement scene. Kristin remineces on a huge celebrity who admitted to relating to Carrie's wrong ring moment. And, Simon reveals why he has always thought Aidan was the villain of the series! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are here with Part 2, with Simon Curtis. We are breaking down Just Say Yes, which was directed by David Frankel, written by Cindy Shupac. and Simon knows everything, you guys. Let's talk about Carrie. Oh, yes. Wow. Wow. This whole episode, let me just tell you this memory that I have,

and I had forgotten that it was this episode. This is the episode where Carrie finds an engagement ring in Aden's gym bag in her apartment. Now, a lot of other things happen too, but the thing that I remember about this is that Gwyneth Paltrow did a magazine, either Vogue or Harper's Bazaar, and she, in her interview, talks about how she really related to Carrie in this episode with the ring being wrong.

Wow. And we were like, oh my God, Gwyneth Paltrow. Oh, my gosh. We were like so excited. And that she understood that she related and understood what that would be like. Like, you're with the wrong person and they picked out the wrong ring for you. Yeah. They don't get you.

Yeah. You know, it was really interesting. I forgot that this was this episode. And not only that, but we begin the episode with this whole thing where her building is going co-op. I've forgotten all of these details. And so she walks in and she's all shocked. And then she says to Aiden, like, you know, what am I going to do? I'm going to have to move. And he's like, why? You know, why can't we buy it? He's so offhanded. And I love how they stage that whole scene because it's not, they're not even like looking at each other.

And that, so that's an, in terms of the big sex in the city conversations, the Aiden conversation is one that I'm also very passionate about because I've, I've been in Aden as a villain camp since I was a kid. And even that first moment she walks in, you can hear panic in her voice. My building is going co-op. Did you get the tomatoes? He doesn't even acknowledge what she says. That's a good point.

And it's just like, and it's yet another instance of everything about Carrie is trivial. Everything is just this thing that he needs to steer and control. Because even his response is, well, I'll buy it. I'll tear down the wall. And then you can live with me. And then there's some joke about rent, like what would be the rent and he leans over to kiss her? And he grabs her face in this way that is like,

there's all these subtle. And like, and God bless him for that performance. But there's just these, this subtle breadcrumb trail, the entire series. Even leading into in the second movie, he's the one who moves first.

He's the one that has her kiss him in the second in Abu Dhabi. In the second move. Like every time. Aiden pops up, he's always a fucking villain. And I was so glad I was pissed for much of and just like that. I was like, we are not retconning this. I cannot have the entire world being like, oh, Aden, yes, finally. When we got his last episode, I was like, yes, there he is.

And just like that when he was like, get off of me. I was like, there, we got you. I have way too much vested interest in it. No, it's okay. But I was like, oh, there you are. And that scene, I feel like, is such a microcosm of that. She walks in with this sort of devastating, life-changing news for herself. And his response is, did you get the tomatoes?

That's true. That is true. It's interesting. It's very interesting. I think the thing that's interesting also when I'm watching, I mean, I'm re-watching and obviously I have a lot of feelings about Big as well, right? Yeah. But I think the thing that really, the thing when Corbitt is on screen that I mostly think about is how incredible their chemistry is.

And also how, I would hate to say that that character is him because I don't think it is. I think he's pretty different than Aiden, but I also feel like he really takes what's on the page and twists it in a really interesting way. Oh, yeah. You know, and I think that that he's just so good. at playing Aiden, but in general, he's just a really good actor. But like their chemistry kind of would carry anything, really? Yeah. Right?

But then separately, he has so much going on in his head at all times. As does she? Yeah. So like watching the two of them is super fascinating. And there are times I feel that way about Chris and her also. But then in this particular episode, I did not feel that, which we'll get to. And I think that incredible chemistry is what disguises the general population from actually acknowledging how villainous that character is with Carrie.

I do think that that's true. And I think that there's a charm that he brings. Completely. Yeah, that also confuses the picture. But isn't that how relationship are too, right? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why the show's so good.

Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. And I do also feel like sometimes I watch it and I'm like, oh, I just want to take care of Carrie. Yeah. You know, she's just got all these feelings, but she's also like, I'm independent. I'm fine. I'm going to move.

I hate to move. I hate to move. I just want to help her and take care of her. She doesn't really let anyone to interesting. It's interesting. I have a lot of different thoughts and feelings when I watch it. So anyway, she walks in and she says this. He's got a whole plan in about two seconds that he's going to buy the apartment next door,

charge her some kind of questionable rent and knock the wall down. And then he leaves. But then she has a voiceover saying that apparently he's doing his plan because he's got closed just covering the whole apartment. So she's trying to put his clothes back into the bag, which is when she finds the jewelry box. She opens it. She sees this really sad-looking gold engagement ring with a pear-shaped diamond.

And then she throws up, which I also completely forgot about. Yes. Wow. One of her two physical reactions to marrying him. I know. This is definitely a know. Her body rejected him the entire time. Yeah.

Hives in the... the joke wedding dress and vomit at the ring. My God. I mean, and also like, it's so interesting that we don't just say, well, Samantha does. And that's why I love Samantha. It's true. She was right. At the table full of girls who are trying to be supportive, she's the one that's like, no.

Yeah. Wrong ring, wrong guy. I know. I know. And I totally understand why Charlotte wouldn't be doing that, but I also feel like, come on. She threw up for God's sake. It's a lot. It's a lot.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But I did really like. like Samantha's point of view. So wait. So then, this is where it gets a little bit weird. So she goes, she goes to the coffee shop. We discussed it all. She finds out that Miranda actually had a part in choosing this hideous ring.

There's, there's a moment. There's a moment. So first off, your makeup in this entire season, it's unreal. It's the best anybody has ever looked on camera ever. Thank you. It's they, this season. At this point in time, I was telling a makeup artist about this a couple weeks ago on a job. I believe this is when who made this.

Someone made this product called Magic. And there's this, like, this is the part that's funny. Could have been like Smashbox or somebody. And it was this jar of stuff and it was kind of iridescent. And they said, like, we made this like how they make car paint. And we thought that was great. Wow. shellacked me.

They were like, this is using technology they used in car paint. We were like, great. And we would take it, our young selves, and we would just mirror it all over our whole faces.

It was like a primer, but they didn't call it that. And then you'd put your makeup over it. And at this point, I think I'm wearing like Laura Mercedes-tinnid moisturizer because it's hot as anything, right? But I had that magic all over underneath. I think it worked.

But I don't think they'd make it anymore. You look like a porcelain doll in this entire season. And that particular scene is one of the scenes where it's just you sit down and Charlotte looks so like this beautiful doll like these hurt like it's hot and the blue polo dress with the slick back ponytail. Listen, I never, I didn't appreciate it at the time. I really didn't. Oh, how I always felt not good enough. Oh my God. I know it's sad. It's really

sad. Entire episode they have Charlotte looking like a goddess. I know. I don't know how I'm so together. I mean, it's pretty good. I liked my hair in the Scottish scene. It's really good. It's so, it's perfect. It's really good. It's like Audrey Hepburn. Like, it's stunning.

It's really good. I know, it's really good. We were doing great at the time. We were really, we were functioning well. Which is funny since I'm like vague on my memory of it all. You know what I mean? I was just probably trying to get some sleep, you know? Anyway, let's go back.

Thank you. You're very sweet. The whole reason that I even, even interrupted that is because there's this tiny, tiny moment where Miranda says, I picked the ring. They cut back to you for a millisecond. And you're laughing. And I wanted to ask if that was a break or if that was actual. Oh, I'm sure it was real. I'm pretty sure it was real. It's so good. I'm pretty sure it was real because Cynthia's super funny. You know, and it is funny too because like we would crack up a fair amount at the coffee shop scenes, but also there was a lot of pressure about the coffee shop scenes because, you know, it's so kind of precise and everyone has to be like. like just on their cue and you can't mess a word up or anything.

We would be there so many hours, right? And Michael would always be like, you know, you have to, and their props have to be so on. Everything has to be so on. But I do think, excuse me, when they would, we would, I could tell by this point in time that they've figured out good ways. Like we used to just be like straight on, like film straight, right? And now we're doing the angles, like the cut across. So, and that's one of the reason we'd be there so long is that you have to have

reactions to each person. So to each angle, you know what I mean? But that did look like a break, yeah. That did look like a break. Oh, but no, but it felt, it felt so real, which also it just, and also this moment where Charlotte is just laughing at the coffee table is like, oh, it's rare, it's so good. But really good, really good.

So good. And I think Frankl's really, Frankl directed Prada, devil was Prada one and two. Yeah, he's a good director. And I think he also really knew us, you know, so like there's that that you can see in a good way. like we seem very kind of settled and comfortable, which I like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like that a lot. Okay, back to Carrie. So Carrie, Carrie goes with us. She finds out that Miranda has something to do with it, but Miranda doesn't know when he's going to ask. And so now she's all like, what am I going to say? What am I going to say? And then she goes, and this is a little strange to me.

She takes Aidan out to dinner. She was a very pretty dress. And she says, I'm going to accept his proposal to move in. because does she somehow think that then he won't propose? Like what is she doing? She even says I'll cut him off at the pass. Got it. And it's,

she is, I don't, I don't know what Carrie or Sarah Jessica's signs are, but Carrie always feels like such a Sagittarius to me. Totally. Or a Libra, like one of those two. She's not a Libra.

And it's, but that is such, that is such sagittarius behavior. Like try, yes. Like, it's just being like, well, let me, let me, I'll, I'll do this. So then you can't do that or you won't do that and that'll work. Sir Jessica's and Aries, by the way.

Oh, wow. As is Cynthia. Wow. They're strong. Powerful. But they love Pisces. Powerful Rams. Thank God.

Aries love Pisces. It works out. It works out. Thank God. Thank God. But sometimes I'm like, oh, Lord and man, I just got to get behind one of them and go off the mountain. Whatever mountain they want to climb, I'm just going to try to keep up. Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. Yeah. Um, okay, here we are. Back to Carrie, Carrie. Carrie, it's hard to stay on

task, but we're going to do it because it's a weird scene. That's a weird scene. So Carrie's out there trying to hail a cab in a super fantastic color black dress. I love. I know. Also, the episode before when she's writing, she's eating a rocket pop, which is that color palette. Oh my God. And it's funny. I know. It's so weird that I would even notice that. That's incredible. It's the exact same color palette of the pop cycle. You know what I want to get your opinion on. Sarah Jessica was on this week, I guess, in the world.

And she, I had this crazy outfit. Jogging her memory takes visuals. I've now started printing out pictures for when she comes on to show her to see if she'll remember things based on the outfit, which she does. And she said, just out of the blue that from this crazy outfit where she's got the purple tights pulled up over her shorts. Do you remember this? And the purple Victoria's Secret Broth? Uh-huh. She said if she were to be collecting three outfits that would be quintessentially

Carrie and show who Carrie was as a character, that would be one of the outfits, the purple tights with the toes showing in the outfits. I mean, I understand. Me too. It's cool, but I wonder what the other outfits would be. And now I'm just dying to ask her. Oh, I feel like one of mine that I would put in was when she goes to dinner with Big. And he's dating the movie star.

He's like, she's a movie star. And yes. The cute skirt. It's like the emerald green skirt. It's a good one. It was the same episode that when we talked to her about it and we showed it to her and she did not say that one. So she did love that one. Yeah.

She did love that one. And that skirt came from century 21 that I got Molly to talk about, which was great. Westwood, but it ended up at century 21, which is insane. But okay. But then I had asked her, would it also be the white dress? at the Columbus Fountain when she, and Aiden breakup, she said, no, because that's not quintessentially Carrie.

That's kind of like, put on Carrie. Like, I'm going to try to be looking a certain way for him. What about when Carrie leaves Justin Thoreau, when he's the premature ejaculator? Oh, yeah. When she leaves after breaking up with his mother, and she sees the girls and knocks with the aviators. Oh, that's a good one.

But I don't think that that, I don't think she would pick that one because it's not kooky enough. I mean, would I pick it as one of my all-time favorite? definitely. But I don't think it would be quintessentially carry because it isn't creative enough. That's what I'm getting from what she was saying. But I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

I'm going to get her back on the podcast just to ask her this question. Yes. Because also with the aviators, women weren't wearing the boy aviators. That's so true. You know, she was giving body and hair,

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. podcasts. Anyway, let's go back to the plot. So she's out there trying to get a cab in this fantastic dress and who should pull over because they're in Midtown, but Mr. Big. And they have this wacky scene in the cab where he's trying to ask her about Aden. She has a little secret smile. And he says, was that smile?

And she's like, nothing. And he's like, what? And she says, you don't really want me to tell you. He says, yes, I do. And so she says something to the effect of he's going to ask her to marry him. And he's like, how do you know? And she's like, I just know. She doesn't tell him how she actually knows, which I think is interesting.

And then he goes, well, it's not going to work out. And she's like, why not? And he goes, because you're not the marrying kind. And he smiles. Like, that's a compliment or whatever. It's weird. And then she's like, what do you mean? I mean, what did you think of all that?

Well, first, I love that she's wearing, it almost looks like a Judith Lieber, like, pendant. I know that huge thing. But it's a big apple. And then Big pulls up in his town car. So true. There's just an energy with that. Definitely. It's really cute.

And I, you know, I mean, that's just, you know, they're just the two ever circling planets orbiting each other. And I think that's at that point, I feel it's always felt to me like big in that moment as having the realization of like, you can't slip away. Like you're not supposed to move on. Like we're going to be doing this forever. I do think he thinks that. But I didn't like that that he thinks that. Oh, no. I mean, he's still in his slime ball era.

Right. But that's like it's, you know. He is, right? Yeah. Yeah, I thought so too. I was like, he looks like he was up all night drinking. Like, ew. Probably was.

Smoking his cigars and whatnot. I was like, ew, who wants him? That's how I thought. You know, I always take that character, and that's why I love them together inevitably. Because his arc, even though we don't experience it, we only experience it through the lens of Carrie. We still get the arc from the series beginning. to end. True.

And how much he as a person cracks open and changes everything because of Carrie being in his life. That's a good point. And how Carrie is from the jump, this enigma to him. And where I feel like he and Aden differ is that Carrie is also an enigma to Aden, but he wants to like break her and control her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas big, it just seems like he is a, afraid of the feeling that this enigma evokes in him.

And it's because that feeling is love. And it's something that is, that's anathema to him. Right. And so I, even though he is this slime ball, having experienced his arc so many times, I have so much love for it just because I know where it leads him. And I know that eventually he has to crack open his heart and it happens. That's a good point. That's a really good point.

I'm going to go with that. I'm going to stick with that because that's a good point. Because since I have been rewatching, I've been, you know, like, ew. Yeah. You know, like fair amount. Yeah. In a way that surprised me because I was always pro big. Charlotte was pro big.

So I didn't think harder about it than that. And I also think, as I've said before, dear listeners, apologize from me. Apologies. You know, I do think in the 90s, we were all just so used to that type of man. You know, the really elusive, you know, shut down. Yeah. where you're always having to try, try, try. I didn't think twice about it.

At the time, I thought, yeah, of course she wants to be with him. I didn't think about it. Now I look back. I'm like, ooh. I also think in that moment, he's really, I think they're both trying so hard to pretend like they're friends. Like they're these pals who can jab each other and like make quips about each other's life. And so I also think there's an element of him in that scene where he's trying to be sarcastic and play around like, oh, this is, you know,

you're not the marrying kind. Like it's like a sly dig with his buddy, but Carrie's not your fucking buddy. Like it's, it's, so I think that's also an element of like, he's playing games with himself, trying to like make himself believe

that this is his pal and not the love of his life. Right. Right. It's interesting. It's very interesting. I mean, I guess it's good that they, it's interesting to see the progression,

you know, over time of their characters. Definitely. Yeah. And also like when they went out to dinner, in the country episode when she goes back and goes out to dinner

with him and he talks about the actress you're just like what is happening yeah it's weird but I do feel like

it yes I do feel like it is like when you're trying to be friends with an ex and you are literally sitting there like why am I doing this? Yeah

like well what am I doing it? And with them there's this energy vortex it just keeps pulling them back together and you know I feel like so much

of his acting out especially by the time we get to season four it's just because he's every time he's with her, he doesn't, he's getting more and more scared of this mysterious emotion that she elicits from him, which is love.

Interesting. He doesn't want to feel that. He doesn't want to know what that is. We're going to go on this. We're going to go on this. Okay, wait. Then we get, okay, so at this point, I'm feeling kind of frustrated because I'm like, eh, with Aiden and definitely,

eh, with big, right? Which is kind of sad. And not how I felt at the time that we were making the show when I just thought they were both great. Yeah. So then she goes, she goes, we're back with Carrie and they're out in a beautiful summer night. I love these scenes when we're filming in the, no way, I did read something that supposedly they're in the, they're in, yeah, I think that the note that we have Hannah, I don't think that that, I'm just going to ignore this one. I'm going to fully ignore it.

Sorry, it was a trivia thing. I'm going to ignore it. But it's a get in my mind for a second. It looks like the village to me. It looks like Perry Street, which is what it should. be. Okay. Right?

Because that's where Carrie's apartment is. I'm not supposed to say that. I don't think, but who cares? Whatever. Everyone knows. Yeah.

It's like, like tourist. It's touristy. And that's why I'm not supposed to say it. It's like it. It's like the people, the people don't like it.

But whatever. Get over it. You bought the sex in that. You bought Carrie's house. Deal with it. I love it. I think they've owned it the whole time. Really?

I think that's the situation. Yeah. Well, you know what? What a gift in your life that you get to live in a national monument? I don't know. I would be baking people cookies. That would be sweet.

That would be sweet. Unless they did sell it, I think at one point, maybe it was for sale. But now, I don't know what happened with it. But anyway, it's there. It's there. Everyone knows where it is. It's Perry Street. And to me, that shot when they're going to take Pete for a walk and it's so beautiful.

And the trees are lit so beautifully. It's gorgeous. So gorgeous. And so, I mean, I know that they say that we kind of made New York City like into a fantasy. But also, I feel like that's how it is. and like a spring summer night. It was like, ooh, magical. I know, it looked like due settling.

Like it wasn't the summer. It wasn't hot and steamy, but there was this. Oh, no, I think it is hot and steamy. Oh. They, well, they made a good job of not, they didn't look like they were schvitzing. You know, she's wearing those tiny shorts. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. I think it's hot. I think it's hot. I think the summer of 2001, yeah. The summer of 2001, it wasn't like 105 hot, but it was glorious hot, like hot and bright colors and fantastic. and, you know, like still summer in August. You can see this beautiful humidity in the air with the lights,

and it doesn't look like, it doesn't look like fog machine. It looks like real steam in the air. And it's so pretty. It is really pretty. I love that shot of them walking down. It's so gorgeous. Yeah. And Aiden is very good in this scene.

He pretends that he's trying to get a poop bag for the dog. Which is exactly how Carrie Bradshaw wants to be proposed to with a fake out dog. poop bag. It was pretty good though because she's really expecting it now. And do you remember when they go to the dinner where she's like, I say yes to moving in? And then she says, I have to go to the bathroom. And they cut to him and he looks sideways. You can just tell he's like, what is she doing? Like I think he he's got it all figured out. Uh-huh. Do what I mean? Of course, which is another reason, which is another part of him controlling her, he tricks her instead of giving her a real proposal that

Carrie would actually love. He does the hoop bag trick, which along with the ring, that is not the proposal for Carrie. That's true. Wrong proposal. Wrong guy. No, you're right. You're right. Because he's doing, like, he's doing that, like if it were me. Yeah. And I was walking my dog and someone proposed to me, not that I really care about this in life. I don't. But like that would be the time or the place. You know what I mean? Walking my dog in the summer night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But not Carrie. Not Carrie. Not carry. In her terry cloth sweats shorts. I know. No, no, no. Oh, she looks so good. So cute. But anyway, he gets down. He's,

surprises her. And of course, thank God is the good ring. Thank God in heaven. And then we find out later that Samantha had something to do with that, which I did not remember this either. You didn't remember that? No. Oh, gosh. Oh, I love that scene. It's really good. At the end, like, oh, my gosh, her delivery and that oh, the bastard. It's really good. It's so, so, so good. Yeah, it's really good. And then it's a beautiful ring, which I also didn't remember. And this is the ring that she's now going to wear around the necklace, correct? Yeah. Which is so. crazy. I mean, like, it's all very interesting. Very interesting. I do feel like we need some input from the writers on how I forgot to ask Michael about the ring around the neck. Yeah,

we got to find out how that came about. Because she's allergic to him. She's allergic to a life with him. I mean, she vomited. She breaks out in a rash. She can't put the ring on her finger. Like, she's allergic to it because- She puts it on when she gets it, though, for five minutes. And then she's like, I can't wear this shit. And it's because her subconscious knows the whole time. I do think you're right. She knows. Yeah, I do think you're right. Yeah, I do think you're right. And that's what makes it so satisfying to watch her come to terms with that. Definitely. Most definitely. And face that. Definitely. And I don't really remember at the time, did people feel in the world like she shouldn't be with him? Were people? Oh, no. Everybody was pro-Aiden. Everybody. They were. Yeah. And I think that also fed the narrative of, you know,

people have this, you know, certain people who I don't align with and don't like and will always fight have these opinions about Carrie. Yeah. And, you know, like these people who call Carrie a narcissist or all of these things, which I think is just such bullshit. I agree. Because to me, Carrie Bradshaw is, she's an artist. She is deeply courageous in her capacity for love and her willingness. to search for love and to be loved.

Yeah. And I, to me, she's always just such a beacon of that. Like she's just, she's living very honestly. She's really, really trying in an earnest way to find happiness, find love. And I've just always found her to be very courageous. I think you're right. And also with this Aden scenario, and even with Bigg, when she had the affair, you know, I would never villainize her because she's, just trying to follow her heart and to figure out her heart and what her soul needs and wants.

I agree. I agree. I do think, though, back to how we were talking earlier about the show kind of, you know, changing things and shaking things up or whatever, it wasn't really done that your heroine, your lead is going to cheat, you know, like blatantly. You know what I mean? It's true. And a kind of a, I don't want to say unapologetic way because she is apologetic.

Obviously, she's tortured about it, but also she does it, right? Like we weren't afraid to do that stuff. And I think that that's part of what you're saying is that Carrie was very honest about it. Yeah. Which is amazing, which is such a testament to the show. Because even now, when we try to have female characters that are depicted in an honest way, the internet will come for the actors next. Meanwhile, we have Walter White selling meth and killing people for eight seasons of television,

and he is, might as well be Jesus Christ himself with, like, saint candles lit in his honor. And meanwhile, Carrie Bradshaw is just trying to figure her fucking life out, and there are people who call for her head. And it's like, you know what, this woman's just trying to figure it out, and she's just writing and loving and doing it with such, like, fierce, honesty and, honesty. Yeah, I agree. I agree. She is very, she's very much pursuing, like, her own version of the truth, you know, and that's what she writes about. That's what she's doing. It's what we talk about, you know, all of us all the time. I agree with you. Let's talk about Miranda because we've got this very interesting development with the baby where she decides to finally tell Steve at the like hot dog stand or whatever. What is it? Is it? Ice cream? It's ice cream. Sorry. That's

That's such there, so there are, when you go back and watch the series, there are so many subtle moments that are so funny, they make me belly laugh. First of which is Charlotte and I'm dating a man with the funkiest tasting spunk. Oh, I know. And you just get up and walk out. And there's not an acknowledgement. There's nothing. It's just purse gone. I laugh until I cry at just the physical comedy of that.

It's so funny. And this is one of them. Carrie's voiceover is, meanwhile, Miranda is looking for the perfect moment to, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Immediately cut. Steve, I'm pregnant. It's just so deadpan. It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny.

It's funny. It's so good. It's true. The cutting, the editing, you know, and the delivery and the writing, it's all very funny. And I agree, very funny. And I didn't remember it. This is the, like, where I'm just watching everything for the first time. You know, it's really funny.

Just genius. I also, I couldn't really remember how I said. I can't still really. I don't have clarity on what's going to have with Steve and Miranda. I know where they get to, but I don't know how they get there. Don't know how they get there. Wow. Yeah, it's interesting.

This is such a fascinating experience for me. Also, because, I mean, I listened to the podcast. So I know, you know, I've heard you talk, you know, at length about your experience with it and how this podcast is an exploration back into something that you haven't touched in so long because it was such a significant portion of your life. Yeah. And then someone like me, from prepubescence, was watching this. And then immediately rewatching and rewatching.

And me and my best friend in Oklahoma, Mandy, like, she got like the suede, the pink suede DVD set for herself when she was going to owe you her first year. And so we just would devour the DVDs over and over again. Did you have the one where Michael Patrick did the voice over of it? I, it was the full series collection with the pink suede. And I don't, I don't know if we ever watched the special features together. I think you would have to go to the special features in there. He had, when the show was ending, he had gone in and recorded like thoughts or whatever. I don't know that I've ever heard it.

But occasionally someone will like write to me and say like, oh, Michael Patrick said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was kind of the early version of podcast. Yeah. Oh, yeah, DVD featureettes. Right. And so for me. like I've seen, I've literally seen all these episodes like 68 times. So to hear that, that's such a fascinating.

It's, yeah, it's really. I know, it is interesting. It's interesting for me too because, like, first of all, there's my memory. Then there's my memory of the show, like my memory of shooting the show, then my memory of the show. And then sometimes my memory of the show doesn't actually match the show. You know, like I was telling you, like, we were to take all these scenes with Charlotte. I would have spread them out.

I don't know what season I would have put them in. But I had no idea. They were like, bam, bam, bam. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. That was one of the things that I was talking about that I, in my dream for the next iteration of seeing these characters, I just miss the, I want the jam packed. I want that.

I know. I mean. Because each episode is such a little mini roller coaster and it takes you on that. And so this episode is such an encapsulation of that. It's true. It's true. The only sad thing about Charlotte's roller coaster of this episode is it doesn't come up. It just ends really down.

And I don't know what happens next. Do you really not? No. I mean, I can try to think of some things that I could guess. I think there's that scene where we're going to break up, but he comes back for the town of country shoot or whatever it is. I don't think that's this. Okay. No, I don't.

No, but that is coming right up. It's coming right up. Right at some point. Because the next episode is long pink. It's Dickalicious. And that's the one. That's Samantha's. where she's talking about Richard, when Samantha finally...

She says that about Richard? Yeah, oh, my, we quote that all the time. Oh, dear. It's Dicklicious. Oh, my God. Long... It's, oh, that's like one of the iconic lies. Oh, my God, that's really funny.

I don't know this. Wow. Like Richard with the perfect dick. What? Yeah, but then by the end... That is too much information. But then by the end, that's when they have that beautiful needle drop that carries the entire end of the episode with the Shade song by your side.

Yeah, yeah. And it's, and then that's, oh, God, in the next episode is with your Rogaine and your speed stick when they move in together. When Carrie and Aiden, he's moved in. Oh. And Pete choose one of her Manolo Blonix. Don't have a single memory. Oh, my gosh. He moves in all his stuff.

And she's like, your shit, my shit. And like they, yeah, oh, it's such a good. Oh, it's jam packed. Wow. But Charlotte's is, what was her? I have no idea. Because it's right after oh, it's the cardboard baby.

Oh no. It's the cardboard baby. Don't you bring that thing in here? Oh, Trey. You are the man who got me a cardboard baby. It's bad. It's really bad. Did you hear Trey when he came on?

Sorry, Kyle. It's really sad. Kyle came on the podcast. Because he's been on twice, right? No, just once. And he was like, yeah, I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure how I felt about the cardboard baby. And I was like, yeah, they just, you're just trying things.

Kyle, sorry, Trey doesn't know. Obviously, I can't separate them. No, clearly. Oh, that's so cute. That's really sad. No, I love that. Experience. You and a pal in Montreal and Oceaga,

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Wow. You know what I mean? That's beautiful, though, that those experiences are like that. For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, because you, you know, you're trying to do the work on a deep level, right? So I guess you are. Yeah. And that's the end of this episode with Charlotte.

The conversation after the Scottish fling is, it's, I mean, even rewatching it this morning to come here and talk about it with you. Just watching both of you as actors, you're so in it. And you know when you get to watch great actors do a ping pong match that is just like, it lights you up to watch. Really? That scene is astonishing. You're both so, so genuinely in it. When he's telling Charlotte, he says, I just want to be for a while.

And Charlotte has this look and says, you don't even want to try? I know. Sad. And it's, but it's like League of Legends actors just playing ping pong. Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad because I think for me, what's hard about it is number one, because at that point in life I hadn't had a ton of experience

not that I have now necessarily but I don't know and I also feel like I couldn't go deep every single scene right and also these things are happening so she's processing right but like

because Kyle and I are not connected at that point right we're not because when we were connected it was so fun to watch you know what I'm saying and now we're really not like you could tell he's

he the character is shut down right not the actor but it's sad for me to watch it. I just feel sad. I feel sad and disappointed, which I guess is how Charlotte feels. So I can't,

I guess what I'm saying is I can't completely separate myself and watch objectively. I still feel the feelings of... Which is a testament to the quality of the performance, the fact that it has this psychic resonance with you decades later. But don't you think that's just being an actor too? You know what I mean? That's being a really good actor.

That's being a top. tear. That's so nice. That's so nice. But yeah, I just felt really, it's like, oh, it's so sad. I don't know. And I just feel like disappointed. Like, I'm like, I don't know if I did that.

I don't know if it's good enough. With all Charlotte type thoughts. You know what I'm saying? It's sad, though. It's sad to watch. It's hard to watch. It's definitely heartbreaking. She just wants it so much.

But it took that for her to get to Harry. Totally. So wait. And Miranda. Miranda. And then, and then we didn't even mention Samantha with Richard. Wait, where's my Samantha page? Because Samantha's with Richard and they're on the plane, which I don't remember this at all.

Right? Is this one the, yes? So Samantha, her first plot point in the episode is she has the meeting with Richard. Oh, that's funny. Seven minutes late. Well, it took me 15 minutes to get through your labyrinth of the lobby. Right. And so he's such an ick.

Oh, he's disgusting in this scene. Oh, my God. Like, what's wrong with you? Women troubles? Like, it's, he's so bad. And so like, like you would never do that. now, like if you did that would be a total villain. Immediate villain.

Yeah. Immediate. He would be irredeable. Somehow that was still sexy. That was going to be our love interest. Yeah. I was like, I kind of want to fuck him on his plane, though.

It's so funny. But also the way that he plays it, he does give it a, like he plays against the shouting a bit. Like he's doing the thing that's written in the script, but he's also got, And then he very quickly, like, because he's yelling at her because he's unhappy about this other hotel getting attention or something in the paper. And then she tells, she's like, so what are you going to do about it?

And she's like, well, I already did this and this and this. And he's like, oh, okay. Yeah, exactly. Because she's good at what she does. Right. Which is nice. Which is nice. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I like that. I know. It's such a good moment of like having this sort of like swinging dick competition. And Samantha's not going to like step down to that. Which is really interesting. And I hadn't remembered. that about their relationship at all.

I just remember that he was supposed to be some big deal or whatever. Yeah. Like a hotel magnet. Yeah, like Schnaubel or whatever. I don't know. Who are those ones? Ian Schaefer. You know what I mean?

Big hotelier. Totally. Anyway, it's interesting. And then they're on the plane. I know. I'm just like, wow. I love it. I love it, though.

Wow. And then Richard agrees that he likes sleeping around and whisking girls away. and oh, that's how they end up on the plane. That was also interesting because he's like, I mean, I guess it's like, because she's tried to have her relationship with Maria, which obviously didn't go that well because Maria wanted to talk a lot. And Samantha didn't want to. Maria, Maria, my Maria.

I know. And now she's like, well, I'm going to be with someone like me. Yeah. Right? Because part of the way he gets around the plane, he's like, yeah, I like to whisk girls off. And then she says, that's what I'm saying. Like, they're both like monogamy. I know.

That's what she loves. I know, which is interesting. Right, because at a certain point, aren't they going to be monogamous? By the end of the next episode. With the Chaudet needle drop. It's the next episode. The episode opens with her talking long, pink, it's dickalicious. And then it ends with them in the pool at dawn.

Oh, on the roof? Yes. And the Shadee song comes in and it's just like you just start sobbing your brains out. Now it's now it's making sense. Now it's making sense. This is interesting. Okay. I mean, the Richard storyline

did like pretty much not much memory. I remember the visual of the, I think I went to that apartment because I think we had a read-through there because we would have to do our read-throughs at lunch because we had no time or whatever. And we would try to be at Silver Cup where we were filming our studio

because the writers had a floor there. And so we would go up there for lunch, but if we couldn't time it correctly for the next read-through because the writers need to hear the read-through before they can do their adjustments and whatnot, then we would have to have to be on location for the readthrough and I think we were there because I remember standing on that

roof and it was really gorgeous. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, downtown. It was pretty impressive. When you get to that scene, I'm curious to hear how it makes you feel because it's, it's so beautiful and it's, it's, it's, it's the first time in the series we get one of those songs coming in at the end. Which is so cool. I wonder why we changed our, you know, thoughts on the music or whatever, why we. It was beautiful, though. Yeah. It's it worked. Oh, oh, God, it works. So like Michelle Branch. if I just breathe at the end of the trapeze episode, that one is perfect. Like, wait down the trapeze episode. No, no, it's coming.

Okay, okay. I love that. I don't remember that. That one's so good. I mean, every time on the West Side Highway, I'm like, there it is. Yep. So great. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yes, we really do change it up. You know what I think it was? I think it was that we could finally afford it. I was going to say there has to be a budget. Yeah. Because those were some big songs. Definitely.

Definitely. And before that, I think, was all original. Yeah. Which I love the original music. You do? Oh, my God. Yes. That's good.

I think at some point there was a CD, which I thought was odd. No, it's iconic music. It's beautiful. And it's so, just the jazz running through this New York City show. Ah, heaven. So, true. Wait, did we do enough of Miranda? Probably not.

Oh, Steve shows back up with the hand-me-down ring. Oh, my God. That- brats me up. marry you, Steve? I don't want to marry you either. Especially not right now. Exactly. He's so great.

And also like, I mean, it's just so funny and crazy. And like, who thought of that? You know what I mean? It's so good. It's really funny and good. And so counter to the, I think they thought like, well, if we're going to have this beautiful proposal on the street in the night, right? We have to counterpoint to that, you know?

Totally. So they're the counterpoint. Later, they're not going to be. Yeah. Yeah, but that takes a while, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's super interesting.

I don't know how, like I said, I don't know how we get from this point to where they're going. Oh, it's so good. Is it? Oh, my God. It's, it's, that's when, that's what I'm saying. They're the most beautiful character arcs ever filmed. I mean, they really worked hard at it. And the funny thing is that in my mind, I had not really been clear on how completely different

the idea of each episode was in the beginning versus now, right? Like I knew in my mind that at a certain point we really doubled down on the long-term story arc, right? And that's what I love as a viewer. That's what I want to watch, right? And the fact that it wasn't in a soapy way, you know, that we're having their relationship stories, but they're not soapy, right?

So we're keeping the comedic element, but we're also kind of going to a drama element and mixing it up. I love that so much as a viewer. And that's what's also so satisfying is because you still get the element of sitcom. You're still seeing each of these four women deal with a certain iteration of something in their own lens, in their own lane, in their own capacity from their own perspective. And it's always still maintaining that. Right, right, right.

I mean, I wouldn't describe it as sitcom, but I know what you're saying. I'm saying that element. You know what I mean? You mean the connected, the kind of the idea of the show that we're turning over. one theme with each character. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I wouldn't say sitcom because sitcom really means situational comedy, which used to be like the one set, like the Friends Coffee Shop set, right?

When that meant four cameras and an audience, right? So we were never that. We were single camera and kind of like a little movie, even though we weren't. You know what I'm saying. And again, that's why Sex and City changed everything because you didn't really even know what to call it at the time. That's true. And we still don't know what to call it.

Because it was comedy and it was. Right, right, right. But it also evolved into this beautiful drama that just has now spanned decades. And so it's, it's Shakespearean as it is comedic. I love it. Well, I mean, Shakespeare has both, right? Yeah. That's good.

It's so good. Bryce, I'm going to have one pressing question for you. Oh, oh, I have put a lot of work into preparing. preparing this. I'm excited. I had to discuss it with my boyfriend, too, at length. Really? He's a turbo stand.

Like, he listens to the podcast the second that it drops. That's so sweet. Thank you. Oh, but he was like, he was like, you can't, because I had like a zodiac answer with my rising moon and sun. And he was like, you can't say that.

Kristen likes it the most if you just pick one and stick with it. And I was like, okay. That's adorable. You can do whatever you want, though. You can do whatever. But I liked that challenge. Okay, okay.

His feedback, I agreed with. Okay. But I still want you to ask the question. Okay, great. Simon, are you a Charlotte? I am a Samantha. A Samantha. You might be our first.

And let me tell you. Tell me. Having watched the show six trillion times, there, I mean, obviously, there's so much more to the show than sex. There's so much more to Samantha than sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's so much more. much. And hearing my partner say this to me, I was like, at first

I was taken aback. And then I was like, oh, and the more we talked it out, the more I was like, holy shit, you're right. There's a fierceness to Samantha's loyalty. Yeah. Like there's a scene, it's in season one, the Connecticut baby shower. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

She stole my baby name. Definitely. You bitch, let's go. Oh, yeah. Like, in two, like, boom. Definitely. That's how I operate. That's great. Also, she is always, it's not that she is always driven by a need to express her opinion. She's driven by this expectation that her opinion is valid, as is everybody else around her. And it's confusing to her, why would you not share your opinion? Why are you not sharing your thoughts?

And that also, like, that's so me. Like, that's, like, having to put my foot in my mouth at times or just speaking. A little too bluntly. Like, I would be the person at the coffee table to be like, wrong ring, wrong man, but like to just say it. And there's, and how else to describe it? Like, just an aversion to rules for the sake of rules. Samantha is ferociously existing on her own terms. Definitely.

And like refuses to abide by the status quo for the sake of the status quo. Yeah. She will make. make decisions, form her life. Even the tidbits that we get about her life, she has come from nothing and nowhere and has built something just because she believed that she could.

Definitely, which is very you. The part of me, too, that has, in past, because my first answer when I was talking about this with my boyfriend was Charlotte. And he was like, no, you're a Samantha. And my first thing that I cling to with my Charlotte answer is the Eternal Optimist. You know, I, you know, I'm a cancer survivor.

I had leukemia as a child. And I was always just, my sense of optimism is what allowed me to survive. I just had this belief in knowing that I was going to live and go on and do all of these things. And that's something that's always been a part of me with Charlotte. And in having this conversation, I realized that that's something about Samantha as well. Samantha, there's, you know, there's a line in season 6th. where, you know, Carrie is debating if she can be with the Russian because he already has a kid and he's had a vasectomy. And Samantha is the one who tells her, you know, well, what else is on the table?

And that's a pretty fabulous life too. Like she also, in a different sense, is she's always looking at from a positive perspective or how can, what's to build positively here? What's the positive path forward? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or positive path forward. I know what you mean. And it's, so it's, it's interesting. There is this sense of optimism and I just align, I align with that.

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And just then, we felt the plain turn in the air. so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive head first into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything, and me pretending like everything was fine.

He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. and he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, just out of curiosity, if you were going to answer it with an astrology type of an answer, what were you going to say? So my answer for that, and I love you're a Pisces, so you wanted to know that answer too. I was going to say that my sun sign is a Charlotte. my rising is a Carrie and a Samantha moon. Cool.

Oh, so your interior would be Samantha. Yeah. I like that. My emotional, like the, you know, sense of emotion that I walk through the world with. So no Miranda, no Miranda. No Miranda. She's just not in my chart.

I get it. I get it. Yeah, no, you don't see Miranda. I love Miranda. Of course. Who doesn't love Miranda? She's just not in my, not my girl's birth chart. Love it, love it.

Well, this is what I want to say. You are such a joy, but also such an encyclopedia of knowledge about our show. Oh, my God. You can quote lines from all the seasons. Every episode. Whenever appropriate, it's incredible. Well, it's just, it's, it's so hard to accurately convey to you how much part of my life it's been. It's just, it doesn't even make sense and even thinking about it. Like, I, it's, it's every day when I, if I, if I'm leaving the house, sex in the city is what my dogs watch.

Like it's, that's what, like turning on noise for the dogs while they leave. It's just, you know, like, they watch sex in the city. And so when I get home and inevitably, like, I finish out the episode playing, I'll come home, you know, from whatever it is that I've been doing. And I watch the next episode. And that's in addition to my, you know, constant series rewatches. And, you know, you go through so many years. of that and all of a sudden it's like, well, I was watching it on repeat as a child. I was watching it on repeat in high school. Like this was my comfort when I moved by myself out into the world,

like from Oklahoma to L.A. Like that was like, that was my comfort, my sense of home, my sense of, you know, inspiration to go do and be something. Right. And it's just, it's just always been the touch point, the comfort, the, like a sense of. of warmth and safety with these characters. I do feel, I was telling Sarah Jessica when she was on, I do feel more like I, of course, experienced, you know, the filming of it, right? Yeah. So they are my friends and I do feel this like intense connection.

And it was hard to be objective about how the fans perceived it, but rewatching and then kind of experiencing it a new, when I'm away from it, like I went traveling a bit. I didn't film the podcast. Yeah. So didn't watch it for a couple weeks, came back, turned it back on. You do feel a warmth. Like you feel like a physical thing when you're watching it. It's a cashmere blanket.

Kind of amazing. It is. It's so comforting. I feel like I've gotten a little insight into what it's like to just be a fan. Yeah. In a way that I'm very thankful for. It's really, really fascinating. It's deeply magical.

Yeah. And I'm just so thankful to be a. It's part of it. Thank you. And it's so lucky. And it's changed the world. I mean, you can fight me on it all you want. I'm not going to find you. I'm telling you, it's it's the show that changed everything.

It's the show that changed everything. Thank you, Simon, Curtis. Thank you so much, Kristen. An excellent, excellent guest. It's been the honor, privilege, and pleasure of my life, truly. Truly, thank you. You're just a joy in every way. Thank you so much.

So smart and thoughtful and so many insights. Thank you. And all of my listeners who are hardcore fans are going to appreciate that. Joy is essential and it's also elusive. But now there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, How to Kot me. If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting,

and moving on-air chats. Listen to Joy 101 on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby is presented by CVS. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.

He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. and he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. June is Black Music Month

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