Are You A Charlotte? - You can bet your bottom dollar! with Julie Rottenberg & Elisa Zuritsky... (S5 E3 "Luck Be an Old Lady")

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Julie Rottenberg and Elisa Zuritsky return to explain WHY they really didn't want Richard to cheat again. They also explain the extra padding on Cynthia's butt and legs and why the girls defending her was a perfect fit.Plus, why the bus was crucial in the end.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. A.O. Rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody. Welcome back to R. You a Charlotte. We are going to talk some more to Julie Rottenberg and Elisa Zeritsky. They wrote Luck be an old lady. So here's more of myself talking to them. I love them so much. Please enjoy. Thanks for joining us. All right. Let's talk about Samantha for a second. So I had totally forgotten about this whole thing with Richard. And I feel like, haven't they already

broken up once and she puts the flyers out? And now we're back. Which obviously, you know, what's a man? I don't know. It's interesting. But we love him so much. James Reimer was so good and they were so good together. But we knew, we knew we were building toward the end. We really wanted it not to be that she catches him cheating again. Like we really want to do that. Although I did appreciate, I forgot about that last week when she's walking down the hall,

which I appreciated that. But we wanted it to be I choose me. Like, I'm, I can't, I can't live this. Right. I'm 37 after all. Uh, whatever the line of it. Right. It's interesting.

I can't remember what's going to happen. I mean, I know that eventually Smith comes, but it's interesting. I mean, the whole Samantha thing, I'm like, whoa, what's happening? You don't, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That was, um, that was, I think that was one of the moments where we, wanted to give her some growth and definitely yeah she has a limit to what she's willing to do

and like absolutely dignity absolutely i mean when she leaves the dinner with us i was kind of like oh this is not good like who is she's turning into that she's going to get up from us right having a celebratory dinner to go make sure that her boyfriend doesn't cheat ew you know yeah we can't stay there that's ick yes yes You know what I mean? Like, it's so ick. And I mean, he is really good with her, but it's also like the level of like ongoing intense sexuality with them.

My God. It was I think we all related to Charlotte on that. I mean. For sure. Yes. I was like, surprisingly polite. Because I was like, yuck. It's so yuck.

Like grow up. I wanted to say, you know? It's just like teenagers or whatever. I love that even after you put on that whole thing about like, I don't want to celebrate my birthday. I don't want any presents. And then you're like, you got me a present. I know.

I was really worried. I was like, what is in that box? What is in that box? I couldn't remember and I was really scared. So I was relieved that it was only a pearl thong. But then, of course, there was the crazy conversation. I do remember that conversation. I remember that too.

Yes. I remember having to discuss like, what are we actually? talking about? Like I did not know. I was like, wait, what? It's what? So I think we have the answer. We have the answer to the question at the center of your podcast. You are a Charlotte. You really are a Charlotte. We haven't really been that. We haven't been that confused. Okay. But you know, it's interesting. I have had this thing lately. And I don't know, obviously, it's really unusual and amazing that I've gotten to play this character for so long, obviously. But when I meet new people, they are like, oh.

you're not. You're not actually her. And I'm like, am I not? I don't even know anymore. But like, because I mean, you guys know me obviously, but you know, in some ways I'm really not, right? And then I guess in some ways I am. It's interesting. You can't separate. A bit of a hybrid situation. You drop a lot more F-bombs than Charlotte Everwood. That's to me, that's the line that I see. Okay, that's good. That's because I'm totally comfortable with you, right? I mean, around the kids, I don't. But I remember when we went back to work, I was like, I can swear. I'm in an adult world. Yeah, I'm in the fully adult world.

It's wonderful. It's wonderful. Okay, wait, let's talk about Miranda for a minute because I did, Julie, to your point about the baby stuff, I mean, I had forgotten and I thought it was really good. But it could have been maybe better, but I also thought in our show, it was really good. I mean, just that idea of like her living for this escape was you could feel when he and you're like, what are you doing there? Right. And then begging.

And then also the other like Uber relatable moment as a, especially a new mom, but like I lasted a bunch of years was just the like deep fatigue like so that when she says in the casino, like as soon as I stop, I have. have to just lie down. Like, yes. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad we were, we, we knew enough about that. You did.

That was good. The thought of being alone in a hotel room, I remember when the kids were little. Yes. Oh, it's bonkers. Any time I had to fly to L.A. for work, it was like, when do we get to go back to our hotel room and just be a home? Totally. And sleep.

With the TV. Totally. Totally. When I go on location now, I mean, the first like weekend is great. then it's like weird. But at first, like, you're just sleeping and then you wake up and you don't have to get up. And you're like, where?

Totally. You're like, who am I? Where am I? I was with Kevin Bacon who has kids, but they're grown. And he was like, oh, yeah, I really miss my home because he has this farm with animals and horses and everything. And I was like, I'm good right now. I was like, are you?

And I said, Kevin, I never sit down. I never sit down. Right, right. I'm so happy. to just be a blob. And then it wears off. You know, then it wears off a bit, right? And you're like, oh, are they okay?

Who am I? Who are they? What is happening? But like in the beginning, you're just like, I'm so tired. Right. Yeah. Well, and also that Miranda in that moment when which one of you says she just had a baby? Me.

Your excuse. Oh, yes. And I love that since Miranda is like, oh, yeah. I just heard a baby. But she forgot. She forgot. That scene was interesting because it was like so mean. And then Carrie responds right away.

And then Samantha responds. And then finally, I'm like, oh, my God. I hope Charlotte's going to help. And she does. But also like, you get right. You're right in there. Thank God. Thank God.

I was like hopefully she doesn't stay on the sidelines. I love like you're all rewatching these episodes as if we've never seen that. You're like, I know. It is interesting. I know. I know. But that's the joy of it, right? Because how could you remember everything?

even if you wrote it, even if you acted it. Totally. That's what the beauty of it is, is like, talk about luck being an old lady. Like, I'm, we're now at age where it's all hilarious and nude up. That's true. Familiar. Very familiar. Also, I just wanted to ask you guys, I'm going to ask Cynthia this, but like we patted Cynthia up, right?

Like she's, I mean, a lot. She's got of her down the hallway at the door. I remember that was like, it was very important because. we were like we want this to be real and not just like in her head like tv yes yeah yeah but uh and i liked that it wasn't a thing it wasn't a thing until somebody made it a thing some jerk did yeah and then also that that also came from that came from real life what do you mean yeah who's not no one no one uh not not not present company and none of the writers but someone in our world Yeah, had had that slur, like thrown at her.

That's awful. The other thing that I really loved about Charlotte storyline that I had not remembered at all, and I don't think would have meant anything to me at the time, but it's part of the conversation about aging is that there are times that you do feel invisible, you know? And it's so interesting that Charlotte's sitting there and there, and Carrie's got her kind of low-cut top and those guys would like, Yeah, be my blonde, you know, good luck, charm. and the hot one.

And I'm like, Charlotte's like, what? I'm standing right here. Right. Yeah. In my, Victoria.

I found out. Like, in my puritanical, you know, outfit. But also like, just the fact

that you're kind of, yeah, you're like lost over. Like you're just not even present. Yeah. That is such an aging conversation. But I don't think we would have known that then,

you know? No. And it's interesting. interesting the whole thing of like you kind of have to decide like um do i care or do i not care you know what i mean i don't know if you guys you're younger than me yeah no no or sometimes it's it's a great thing i was going to say sometimes it's like oh i'm this is a superpower i am not part of this like i am not seeing yeah right right right but then sometimes you're like wait a minute yes i am i still like yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

here present in this moment? You know, it's interesting. I think this many years later, and sadly, we all know this and have experienced loss. And it's like, we're lucky to be here. Like every time I feel like, oh, God, I'm getting old. It's like I'm grateful, you know. Yeah. Yes.

And we're healthy. We're healthy. You know, well, I think that's why that coming back to the lying about the age. I mean, I don't walk around, I don't like drop it into every conversation. But I do, I feel like that's behind not lying for me is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this is, feels like an accomplishment. Absolutely.

And the thing about it, because I, Nicole and I would often have this conversation on the set of events like this. Nicole Ari Parker is the one and only. Nicole Ari Parker, exactly. Because when the kids would all be there, all of her kids, her fake kids, something would come up where I would have to say, listen, I'm old, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And she would say, don't say that.

And I was like, why not? It's true, number one. But the other thing is that you claim your whole experience by saying that. And you also kind of take the onus off that I feel. I mean, I kind of understand her was like, don't criticize yourself. She feels like it was critical. She thinks you're putting yourself down. Right.

And maybe you are a little bit. No, I felt more like if I want to, to talk to the kids about whatever I was going to try to tell them about, which I'm sure they didn't want to hear about. You have to say, I am actually old and I have already lived through all this. You know what I'm saying? I've already lived through so many versions of whatever it is that we're talking about, right? And like just yesterday, I posted that thing on Instagram, kind of chic to blah, blah, blah, right?

Like, I don't know if you guys are not as chronically. I think I might have seen this. Kind of chic. Yes, kind of chic too. And then you get to fill it in, right? And a lot of them are very much women kind of claiming their own reality. Like the first one that I saw that I loved was this woman who I guess had been engaged and then broke off her engagement and is just living life single.

And her thing was like, kind of chic to write your own rules, you know, kind of sheet to, you know, vacation with your girlfriends. kind of she, you know, it was all things like kind of empowering things that she had claimed, solo things, yeah. Solo things, right? So I wrote it and I wrote, you know, I put something like kind of chic to be loving life in my 60s. Because I am, I'm 61. I mean, this is what my license tells me. I have to believe that is true.

I don't always believe that it's true. You know, I have to be like, am I? You know what I mean? It looks different than when we. It's totally different. Right. And this is the joy, right? is that we can rewrite the rules for ourselves.

And we are. Like culturally, we are. But in my comments, people were like, wait, how, who else had to go over to Google and make sure that Kristen is actually in our 60s? This is crazy. And I was like, listen, I feel you. I feel you. I also sometimes have to check.

But in fact, everyone tells me that it is true, right? And therefore, I want to claim it, you know, because part of me goes like, oh, maybe I shouldn't remind people. But then I'm like, fuck that, right? Yes. This is the reality. I've lived through so much stuff. And I need to claim that.

It's like when we joined the show, it was our very first job. I remember Judy Toll, may she rest in? Great, greatest ever, Judy Toll. Yes. She just wrote the one right before this. Right? Yes. I think.

Yes. I think you're right. Yeah. The, the, with the post, the guy who shows up with Mary. Okay, anyway. The self-help book one. Yes, yes. Yes.

Her whole thing with us was, she was like, I'm 100, I'm so old, you're so young. Meanwhile, she was like 40. Oh, yeah. Literally turned 40. Wow. The fact that like she was calling herself 100 and I'm so old and you're so young is I look back on that and I'm like, oh my God. Judy is like I would kill to have Judy here. I know.

Me too, for sure. but I do think in our business at the time, if you were a 40-year-old writer, you were an old-timer. You were on your way out. Yeah, which is interesting. But I think it's also like there's such power in that, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I like, I mean, whenever we do anything age-related, I'm always like, wow, it's so funny because we're literally like 37 when we're doing it. And you guys were even younger. Yeah.

Yeah. It's really funny. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pastos survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Craved Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month.

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Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A thousand dollars This is so interesting. Like I was really torn like, should she play it? Like, who cares, right? But then I was like, no, that is kind of a lot of money for Carrie, who we know doesn't have a lot of money, right? And also, who was it who was like, give it to me?

Was it Miranda? I think so. I don't know. Or she was like. I mean, Miranda's bedding. Oh, yeah. When she's like interbedding, which I like that Miranda. Yeah, me too.

Which was going to give me that chip, right? Didn't she? Yep. Yes. And so then it's like, that's a lot of money. Right, but Carrie's like a Julie and she's like, no, no, I'm not betting. I'm not betting this money. Like she was treating it like it was real money.

Miranda was treating it like it was like, you know, monopoly money. Fake and fun, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, that at the end, Steve Bussemi's brother at the roulette wheel. No way. Yeah. He looks like him. Yeah.

And he's the one who corrected our pronunciation of the last name. because we all, we were always saying Bushemi and he's like, it's actually Busemi. Okay, now we know. You heard it here first. Got it, got it, got it. Somebody who saw on a computer tell us what his person. Did he actually know how to be the?

Yeah, I think he did. I think he looks like for real. Yeah. But I also remember the excitement of realizing that that roulette, Matt ended at 36. Yes. And like what happens? I was like, wow, what are the odds of that happening?

Totally. That was very good. That was very good. Well, it was convenient for our writing. Yeah, definitely. We should also mention, and Lees, maybe you remember when this came, but we as a writing group all went, and it was my very first time going to Vegas. But we went to Vegas together, the writers. We all went.

In preparation for this? No. No, just for fun. Lease, was it after? season. Yeah, but that's when I, I that was like, talk about it was, entry into

gambling. Yeah, what, it might have, because I think it was, I think Liz was with us. So I think it might have been, it might have been the beginning of season before we started when we were, when we were leaving the LA, the LA portion of the pre-season

writing. Yes, I think it was then. Yeah. So, so, wait, everyone went? Yes. Right. Just the, right. Just the writers, yeah. And I remember we did a whole, like, spiritual thing with Cindy. And do you remember this least? We were burning our wishes.

Oh, Michael was into this, too. I did this with Michael Patrick on New Year's Eve one time. Yeah. Yeah. We had to, like, write our wishes and we burned our visions for the future. Wow. In Vegas. Yeah.

And I remember I had a crazy win. infall at a slot machine. The only one I ever had, like, maybe one $280 or something at a slot machine that was wild. I was like, oh. Wow. I did. The all you can eat buffets, I remember. Oh, my God.

That's so fun. At the greatest massage of my life anyway. Wow. But we digress. I remember one time, and I can't remember what year. it was. I feel like the show was over and it was Michael Patrick's old house, you know, like the one that had been like some famous actresses house in the 40s or whatever. And we had, he had a whole plan for New Year's Eve. And part of the plan was that in his office with a

fireplace that you would go in one at a time and write your wishes on the desk, on this special paper and write what you wanted to be done with. And I think that we cooked what we wanted to be done with and like poured it on plants or something. And then we burned the wishes. Like it was a whole procession where like each of us did it. It was so mystical. It was super cool. It was very mystical.

I mean, you know, I'm down for some new agey stuff. So I was like, sure. It's funny that they were all into this. It's funny. It's very funny. I'll speak for myself. Like I didn't do any of that. And I get it, Julie.

Generally still don't, but I was down to like when in Rome. I mean, yeah, it's a group thing. It's a group thing. I don't really picture it happening in Vegas, but hey, why not? Right? If you're all together there, why not? I think someone had just been heartbroken. It was a very, felt like a very personal.

And I feel like it was, it was over Valentine's weekend or something. Wow, wow. Yeah, it's all coming back to us. It was the Bellagio, right? See, guys, we do have some brain cells left. You totally do. No, you have a lot. You have a lot.

I mean, there's a lot that I remember about this episode, but it's not, it doesn't, it's not, it's not related to the plot. It's related to the experience of being in the very strange Atlantic City. Where, by the way, I, we were just talking about, like, does the Tav Mahal still exist? And my husband pointed out, it is, it's like a mausoleum. It's closed, but it's still there.

Wow. So it's just like a. I think that at the time we filmed there, I think it was like in like chapter 11 or some such. Like it was like struggling to keep it going. And we made some deal with that person. Right, right. Remain names.

Yes. Yes. And I believe he was there. Do you guys remember? Yes. I thought he was in the episode, but he was not in the episode. No. He was in a different episode.

Yes. I remember that. I thought he was also in this episode. Because in my mind, I think I remember him so vividly that I thought we filmed him. But I think it was the kind of thing like where they were like, you guys have to come here and say hi to Mr. Trump because he let us film here. So we did, you know, as one does.

Yes. How fun. Good times. I know. I mean, we were around for some trippy things. You don't know what I mean? Some trippy things. Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, there's a lot of suspense.

Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pastos survive the first? bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Craved Netflix and Disney Plus

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Tony and Candace, Nina and Lance, Spike, and yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AEO rewatch, our brand new podcast. Each week, we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning, breaking down the sketches, exploring the backstories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love,

and opening up about our creative process. How did any of this get made? Why do we think that was a good idea? We're ready to talk about it. And we'll also be joined by the people, who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators and friends, including director Jonathan Chrysall,

the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvised, not just words, but a song, a melody. Well, I thought he was going to write. I thought you were all going to write a song.

I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeartRadio! Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes, Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.

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Danny McBride. He loves Nova. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own. That's great. I call him Terro Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie.

Yeah. I call, I don't, I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski. Yeah. I don't think she was an American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around the same time. Yeah. Then Mary Steenberghant.

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Your duolingo is not going to come back to you when a man is inside of you. Oh, no. I'm Julie Pinero, and I travel by my self. because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people, and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. I can wait four hours for the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle.

It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The one thought I had that I made me happy about is that I feel like for all of us,

we always felt the real love story was these friends. and this idea of like you would never, never ditch your friends in favor of a guy, whether it's a date or whatever, someone who might be interested, like this, this coat of arms of like these friendships are everything. And obviously in this case, Carrie takes it maybe too far. in this in trying to hold on so tightly to like it's just going to be us you know that's the extreme of that beautiful idea which I still believe was a reflection of where she was in that moment but that idea and I think

it's why that last scene on the bus makes me so happy is because like they're not in a fancy plane Yeah. Yeah. Go on a Port Authority. And that's what really matters. That's what the show really was for me. Definitely. Definitely.

Yes. And I think you guys really came in and wrote that so beautifully, you know, in all of your scripts. You know, I feel like, like, that's one of the things about the podcast that I love is that you get to look back at things in different groupings. Because when we're in it, you're just in it, right? And you're like, oh, yeah, like my storyline here. Or this is growth for Charlotte here.

Right. Or I have to wear that awful bonnet here. Totally, totally, totally. And that tacky dress? You know, whatever, right? But when you look at it in terms of like, and obviously you guys were contributing the whole time, as we all know from the way the writer's room works.

But then when you did get a script, it's so interesting to look at the style. Like there's certain stylistic things that are different with each of you, you know, in terms of the writing. And also in terms of like which things spoke loudest to you. you know, I think is really evident. Well, and also, I feel like I'm learning from your podcast because having just listened to Amy's, like, which was so good, both of them, it's like we were all in the writer's room and we all

spent a ton of time together every day. But what we weren't doing together is when we were alone writing scripts and wrestling with the demons that come up in that. Oh, yeah. I loved her. She talked about that. It was interesting. Or dive and like I'd forgotten about that.

I did remember that Samantha in the kayak in the Hudson that obviously went away. That's what I'm appreciating about your podcast because like, yes, we were there. We were all in the writer's room. It was very collaborative as has been talked about. And that's what made it, I think, both so fun and also so much better than all of us separately. Right. But it also was a very special relationship that each of us had to the scripts we were writing, which was that to my birthing analogy. Where we began this entire show.

The labor and delivery. We talk about that my, my voiceover. I couldn't help. Yes. Would my fourth script be an even harder labor? Well, let me ask you guys one more question. Yeah. I loved when Amy was talking about the process of her first assigned script, right?

And that she paced a lot and that she, you know, this and that and she cried and like so many interesting things that I would never, never know, right? Because you guys don't ever come to the set and to tell us about this. Right, right. Right. Right. We protect you. Right. But I mean, it is super fascinating.

Like when you two are writing together, how. do you do that in terms of like breaking down like does one person do one scene and one person does another do you do it together are you together when you're writing are you separate what do you do we we we we we basically once we have an outline that we everybody agrees on and in this case the whole writing staff agrees on we will chop it in half and each go off and write one half of the script the first draft alone then before we've had handed it in, we will pick a date before our deadline. We will make an internal deadline to swap halves. Then we read over each other's stuff and we have full permission from each other and

understanding that we will be, you know, we will be improving or changing, rewriting things that we think could be a little bit better. We often tell each other in our emails to each other. You're going to make that seem better. And we try to do that. that with each other's stuff. We sometimes will say like don't freak out this I just played around with this thing. We know how to

sort of like we're pretty good at predicting what each of us is going to be like attached to. I will be very happy I will write sometimes a joke and I'll think Julie will probably hate this and if she doesn't hate it

and if she actually when I get it back when I see like oh it's There, yay. I'm like, so I'm super excited. I was sure you are going to kill that. So we have a give and take and then finally we go over everything together many times and then we hand it in. And then it's basically, it's our baby together. Wow. Yeah. To such a degree that neither of us can ever remember like who started with which. It's hard. Yeah. It's very ingrained. I mean, certain things, certain things like this whole run on jokes on this page, I'll be like, that was all Elisa.

But mostly. And I can do that sometimes. Yeah, I can do the same thing. But it becomes harder. Yeah. That's amazing. That's impressive that you guys can be that open with each other in terms of taking critique and taking rewriting and being a collaborative like that. You couldn't, I couldn't do, I don't think I could do it with anyone else.

Like I don't, I don't think it's a general, like it's not like in my personality. Like, I'm sure. Anyone can. But it's, we just, yeah, we, we, we, we just share a sensibility. There's so much trust. Yeah. So much trust. And decade of working at it.

It really is a marriage. Our partnership is another kind of marriage where, like, we have to work at it. Like, we will have, will conflict sometimes. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. You know, our general rule is whoever cares more wins. Like, really, because, like, we'll get into it.

Which I recommend for other kinds of marriages as well. Interesting. We'll get into it. It's like, well, but I just thought the way you wrote, da, da, da, da. And we can really start arguing. And then at a certain point, I think now this late in our careers, we know it's like, you know what, I don't forget. You do. You do. Yeah.

Just. I'm not signing on this hill. Yeah. Or then the person who cares more is like, okay. Do do do do do. I'm pushing that. Period there. Because we do fight over punctuation.

It's true. Yes. Wow. Viciously. That's really, really funny. Wow. But then let me ask you this. Once you turn it in after having that exchange with each other, that whole process

to each other, once you turn it in, say to Michael Patrick or the Ritter's Room, Are you ever, is it smooth after that or are you shocked sometimes and you have to fight for things? Like, how do you do that? Yeah, yeah. That's a whole other phase. That's a whole other phase. Yeah. A whole other phase maybe.

Yeah. But for instance, along those lines, along those fights that we have, those internal fights, then if we hand it into Michael and he's like, what were you thinking in scene two? Then it's up to us to be like, that was me. That was all me. All right. Got it. Got it. I got it.

Don't be mad at Elise about that. I changed that. Right. But, and then sometimes, you know, sometimes, yes, sometimes we argue for things that didn't land. In fact, I remember, I'm so glad you asked this question because I remember the first round of notes we got from Michael on this draft. I remember he was like, it was great. And then you got to Atlantic City and it was an oil spill. And I never.

I forgot expression. And oils, bell. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, that's one of his favorite expressions when things so. And it was like, oh, my God. First of all, how many pages were there before Atlantic City? Not many.

So that should show you how hard. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Yeah. Oh, dear. Indeed. But no. And then he gives the greatest notes and taught us everything we know because he can look at a script.

and even though we followed the outline, guess what? Sometimes that doesn't work in the script. And it was like, okay, it didn't work the way we thought it would, and why not and how do we fix it? And then that's a very collaborative thing. And then we'll go back and do the rewrite some more. And then again, sometimes we do that more together, right, Lee? Yeah, it depends.

It really depends what the schedule is, with the shooting schedule and how much time we have. I feel like in the end of the process, we're usually just together. And then we're just like printing it out and marking it up. Like that's the last stage is when we both agree with what's on the screen. We're going to print it out. And then it's amazing. Read it separately and then come back together and compare notes.

Yeah. How different things read on the page on the hard page. Totally. That's so true. It always is different. And I see things differently. And that has never changed. in all the technology.

No, I agree. I feel that way as an actor as well. You read something on the page and you have your own, you know, picture of what the vibe is and what the everything is. And then it's always different. And that's part of the challenge

is staying present enough so that you can bring what you want to bring to the scene, but also be open to how it's going to change when everyone else brings what they're going to bring. You know? That's interesting. Of course, that would be true for you.

Yeah. But sometimes I'm like wrong. You know what I mean? Like fully wrong. And sometimes it turns out great. But then sometimes I might have a really strong sense of what it needs to be. And I need to protect that sense, right? It depends on the way the scene goes and like what I have to bring like what my part is in the scene.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like whether I should just let go, I have to like make that decision when I'm there. And also when we're together and I just want to say this, you know, because I, I, you know, I'm in the world now working. with other people, which is always really fun and quite an adventure. But I just really love working with us. I just want to say that.

We feel the same way. Such, you know, trust and knowledge and like we know each other so well. History, yeah. Yeah, history. And like, you know where everyone's coming from. And you know that, like, if you give up the thing that you want, you can trust what's happening,

you know, that we're all on the same page. This was wonderful. And thank you for calling us. We love you. I love you too. Have a great time. Thank you. Okay.

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