Are You A Charlotte? - You Wear it Well…

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

They were trendsetters.  Their style  was bold, chic, and so in vogue.   The fashion truly was one of the stars of Sex and the City and it became iconic.   Costume Designer Molly Rogers lets us in on the secrets and stories of the clothes from the casual to the couture.  The designers, the hits (and misses), from retail stores to the runway, go inside the Sex and the City closet!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Molly, Molly Rogers is here, you guys. Yay. I have been dying to have Molly on since we began this podcast. Molly is the most special person that you guys will meet, okay? And she's been with us since the very, very beginning. I mean, not the pilot. Scratch that. The almost very beginning. Right. The pilot was someone else who went on to do the Sopranos. No way. I didn't realize she went on to do the Sopranos. They were on the same floor with us. Right.

Second floor, silver cup. Right, right, right. That's interesting. Well, she did such a fantastic job on the Sopranos. And polar opposite from the four of you. Well that was meant to be then, that was meant to be for her and she was lovely, she was lovely. It just wasn't exactly the right fit. Now let's discuss, that's a good jumping off point to discuss. First of all, how did you come to be working with the illustrious Pat Field at the time. Tell us the background. Okay, it's a kind of, I can do it in a short way also because I've told the story so many times and Pat herself loves to watch me and listen to me tell it.

Ah ha ha! I was living in London after I graduated from Carolina and I didn't know what I wanted to do. And then I decided I needed to get out of England because I wasn't really legal. And I came from New York on Friday the 13th, 1984. Wow. And walked into Pat's store, famous store on 8th Street.

And she was in there with a stylist, a French stylist named Mary Paul, and they were choosing rubber bracelets, 1984, for Madonna. Oh my God, which of course we all know Madonna's rubber bracelets. Exactly, and I walked up to Pat and I was wearing a paper dress.

Oh my. At Boy George Dreadlocks. Wow Wow. I asked her for a job. How bold. We began our trek in styling and being friends and working in her store led to, you know, that was huge. 84 was big TV videos. Sure. So we stopped and that led to commercials and that led to TV, you know, and just have known her and been a friend of hers forever. And did you work on the film that she did with Sarah Jessica in Miami?

No, I was down here at the same time doing a television show called Moon Over Miami. So I didn't get to work on that. And I was so jealous because I remember the day that they were shooting something on the beach with Naomi Campbell. And I was like, Pat's working with supermodels. Ha ha ha!

I love it. So then how did you hear about the pilot, the show, not the pilot, I guess, cause I don't even think that we asked Pat to do the pilot. No. Right. Right. I remember Pat throwing some script at me and saying, read this.

I think it's really interesting. No, I think, did Candice have a book out? Yeah, definitely. The book Sex and the City. Yeah. Did Candice have a book out? Yeah, definitely. The book Sex and the City, yeah. I think if that was at that time, I feel like Pat had read the paper back and was like, this is going to be outrageous. Wow. Smart, Pat.

And the first time we met, well, Pat went and talked. Pat took a dominatrix book that I had to her meeting with Darren Pictures of serious high heels and things Wow, and it was very s&m. I was like You're gonna scare him off But you didn't know Darren yet, right? So you didn't really know Darren Darren I don't think he's that scarable, but I mean, I also think that is such a good indication of kind of the interesting kind of mismatch of television and Pat,

which actually really benefited the show, obviously. Absolutely. It's just so interesting because, and when I often think about the influences in those early years where, you know, we just had no money and we were working on Saturdays and it was so crazy, I realized how much we drew from being out all the time. We went out all the time.

We were downtown people. And we saw those characters and we were always big high heeled. characters and we were always big high-heeled you know it just I know it was a natural inspiration from just being social. Amazing amazing that's so interesting now so take me back to coming to New York with Pat to do the beginning of the series when we got picked up for the first season. Well I Well, I don't know. I know you'll understand this. But the first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment, which was above the store on 8th Street. It had rubber floors.

That after parties, she would like kind of hose down and you know, with sticky liquor or whatever. I'm sure. Don't want to know more. Let's show SJ just a few little ideas. So we had one, Rebecca and Pat and I, Rebecca was Pat's girlfriend at the time, if you remember. Yes, I do.

We went to INA, who had a consignment store in Soho. Oh, INA. Yeah, and pulled a few things, which we still do for you. We still go there. Love it so much. And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat. Oh, you had it right then. Yeah, the burgundy clutch purse,

which I believe she paired on the show with the fur coat and some little mules that were plastic. And I remember, you know, I've kept a diary all my life and I remember writing in my diary that Pat and Sarah Jessica were so excited because they were going to not wear pantyhose. Aha! That was a major, major point. I don't think people understand that. No, I don't think people remember that, number one, you always had to wear them previous.

Like for me, in Melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like that was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina, where I grew up, I mean, of course you wore pantyhose, right? Which is what we called them back then. Um, and then I remember Pat just like, no, and she's being like, oh my God. And in the beginning, um, when I'm rewatching, obviously I hadn't remembered a lot of this, but I've got hose on a couple of times and I'm like, Pat must

have been so mad at me. So funny. I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from because it was kind of like not a requirement, but women just wore it and Pat and Sarah just, they were talking about bare legs, bare legs. Yep. Even in winter. Oh, I know.

I remember those days. I remember those cold days, which actually this episode that we're watching, which we don't have to talk about right now, but it's one of those episodes where when you remember when we would come back to work in February, it would be like so cold, but we had to pretend it was spring because that was when the show would come on. And so we're in the bare legs. And we've got the either the fur episode episode that Pat would try to get all of us in first, and then the light coat episode and then like the lighter coat episode.

So you're watching it all unfold and like, you know how we cross-bored, right? So like when I watched 105, there are leaves on the trees. And I'm thinking, oh thank God it's finally spring. Then 106, there's no leaves on the trees, and we look like we are freezing. Like freezing, like I feel like my teeth are chattering like one scene, which I very much remember. But it was always just a tight rope walk.

And I remember Pat like, no, nothing on your legs. You just be like, no, nothing, please, please. Because I remember some things. I remember when I watch those episodes as well, I see scenes on Madison Avenue or somewhere, and it just looks like such a bitter spring day. Yes. At 7 AM or something.

Yes. Yes. But also, I feel like, do you remember the, was there, did you all know the extent to which you were changing how costume was done on television? I mean, we were on HBO, so that was a little different, but did you know the extent to which you were, you know, paving new roads? I mean, you know, I love telling that story.

It's a good example of what you're asking. I love tell, there were little clues. I love telling that story of when an HBO executive came into the wardrobe room to do a little rack review by themselves. Looked at these jeans that were from Japan for Carrie and she was like, no one is going to understand these in Kansas. And Pat picked her out. Excellent.

Excellent. I mean, also like, did we making television for Kansas and I didn't know it. Like, I don't know that we were trying to do that. But then also who would have ever expected us to have such wide success? We certainly did not expect that in the beginning. True, and it wasn't until, I wanna say the third season,

that people started warming to us in the fashion industry, because when you went into a showroom and said, we're working on a show called Sex in the City, they were like, what is it, porno? I know. They just didn't know. And once people started watching, things started coming in.

Right, but for two whole seasons, we didn't have that so much, right? So that's also interesting when I look back, because my clothes are just really just weird, OK? The first season, I'm just thinking, what on earth? Which I know some of it was that, you know, I didn't really understand Pat, right? And I was confused how I was gonna fit into Pat's vision.

And I think Pat maybe was figuring out her vision for Charlotte, and it took some time. But also, you know that picture? It's one of my favorite pictures of us it's from first season which I didn't realize we're on the street I I thought I think Craig Blankenhorn our amazing set photographer took it we're on the street it's the middle of the night we're on like 6th Avenue and I've got a leather coat on I think we've got like wool coats and

turtlenecks and we're looking off in the distance, all four of us look like we're in our own clothes in a way. You know, it's interesting. Oh my gosh. It's really interesting. I want to see that picture. We only have two Bloomingdales because of our budget and Century 21. Amazing! I want to ask you something. I've always wondered if you remembered when all of you had your dressing rooms on the stage. Yes, of course I remember that. You remember that? Okay, I always wondered if- Of course, that was for many, many years,

many, many years at Silver Cup. What I also remember is when we were out in the city, we were in, I feel, I could be wrong, but I feel like we were in a triple banger, meaning Kim, myself, and Cynthia were in little sections. It was either triple or double. And the reason I remember this is because all of our clothes didn't fit

because there's no real proper closet in a double banger. So you know how in the morning you would bring in all of the outfits for the day and all of the undergarments and everything, which was many pieces, and they would be hanging on my microwave and stuff. So you had this tiny little sofa and you'd be under your clothes that were hanging above you, like trying to, you know, peek out or whatever. And they also had our names on the door. And the reason that I remember that is because at one point I was sitting there, you know, waiting as it is, and some guy comes banging on my door. And the reason that I remember that is because at one point I was sitting there, you know, waiting as it is, and some guy comes banging on my door. And I open the door, I

think it's an AD or whatever, it's just a person who wanted to know someone on the crew was someone on the crew there. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And he was all mad at me. And I was like, dude, this before we had security, obviously, we had nothing. We were just hanging out there with our names on the door, you know, under our clothes. What is on your door now? Um... Bait name or? I think our initials?

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's something slightly mysterious. But we have our security, so it doesn't really matter, right? That's a little safer. I know it's it's it's funny to think of kind of the naivete and the kind of innocence you know that we had back then at different times. We were really under the radar. Look at the crowds that watch you all now. It's really something. It's so special to have come along and grown up with it.

Yeah, I know, it's crazy to think about. That's part of the reason I wanted to do the podcast is that the journey has been incredible. And we share it with the fans, right? Because they're part of the journey. And I wanted to bring it all together and let them hear our experience of it because it's so much fun to think back

for so long we've been together. I feel like a lot in my, I don't know, maybe I'm, I'm not sure, but I feel like a lot of it is untold history. Like, I saw your clip on Instagram. You and Cynthia were talking about auditioning. Yep. Which I found fascinating. Thank you. Thank you.

I don't know if you've shared those stories from that early with people. I don't think so. I mean, what's funny for us too, because obviously every person I've had, Michael Patrick on, I've had Sin on now, I'm having you on, which is great, I'm going to have Sarah on. Everyone has told me things that I haven't known, which, you know, we've spent a lot of time together and I still don't know everything. So it's kind of fun and funny, you know? So back to you, let's get back to you.

So you've come to New York, you've walked into Pat's store. How incredibly smart of you, number one. Number two, now you, Pat said like, look at this script or look at this book or whatever it is, and you're on the show and no one knows the show. You guys are asking to borrow clothes. People are like, what is it? You're going to Bloomingdale's, you're going to Century 21, which I remember you guys kind of lived at century 21. Oh

My god people thought I worked there. I was there Asked me where the belts And I'm sure you knew where every single belt was I did I could have gone through that store Blindfolded I told Pat I've spent more time in century 21 that I did in I could have gone through that store blindfolded. I told Pat, I've spent more time in Century 21 than I did in my entire life anywhere. I bet, I bet. And thankfully so because- Oh my God.

How could you have ever done what you guys did without having Century 21? People do not realize what a treasure trove it was. You know that little Vivian Westwood mini that had the little white fluffle bottom behind it? Yes, yes. That was from Century Queen? Incredible, incredible.

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and they're in the magazines as best dressed, and, you know, thank goodness our Jessica knows about this, right? And thank goodness our Jessica had her relationships with designers that she had already been, you know, engaged in before the show. And I remember just thinking, gosh, I've got to do what she does. So, you know, like if someone

eventually would invite us somewhere, I would go and I would try to make relationships, especially with the people that fit me, right? Which wasn't everyone as we know, right? So like Michael Kors, you know, the Ralph Lauren, Oscar de Larento which took years and I was always scared. Like I don't want to be on Sarah Jessica's turf's turf, but, you know, maybe could I possibly

wear an Oscar? And I, and I, and I finally got to, but you know, those things for me were very much just following her lead, you know, in terms of how do you make a relationship? Remember how we were so good about returning things? Like we never asked, you know, not to return. We were terrified to keep something too long. Right, we were terrified.

I mean, that evolved into we were such hoarders in the end. Season 6. It was like, I dare you to come and pry this from our fingers. And you remember, this just came to my mind. Do you remember that time there was something, I mean, this is back when we really felt like we had to be like on the forefront, we had to get things like right off the runway, mostly for Sarah, I don't know if that was so true for Charlotte, but remember there was something that came off, was it McQueen I think,

something that came off the runway and you had sent an assistant to the show in London or Paris, wherever it was, and they had to stand there waiting for it and fly back with it. Do you remember this? I do. I do. Insane. I don't remember what garment it was. I feel like it was a butterfly looking kind of, you know, caftan-y thing. Yeah, that was from one of the movies where I accidentally sent something, returned something to a Vogue shoot that was happening in Tulum. And then I looked on the one-liner and saw, oh my God, she's got to come out of the bathroom in that dress tomorrow.

Wow. And Melfi said, stick a PA on a plane, it's very cheap, go down to Tulum and steal that dress back because I don't want to change the schedule So we sent one and that little PA thought it was the most glamorous thing she had ever done in her life And she called me from the airport and said I have the dress may I pull because it was turn around, you know Like yeah, you went back. It was a roundy round she said, can I please order a margarita? I hope you said yes. I said, please do, but stay in the airport.

Don't. That's adorable. OK, so let's go back in time, back in time. What do you remember? Because when I'm, so I'm rewatching, right? And as I'm rewatching, I'm just seeing touches of what's coming fashion-wise starting to enter the picture, right? So like Sarah in the episode before this one, she goes,

she is going out with that French guy and he leaves her a thousand dollars after they've spent the night together. Do you remember this? Oh yeah. Right? And she's got some good dresses and I'm like, oh Pat and Molly are doing their magic, right? Like she has this beautiful silver dress and she's got some good dresses. And I'm like, oh, Pat and Molly are doing their magic, right? She has this beautiful silver dress. And she's walking down Madison Avenue. And she's talking about how she feels like she's floating.

And she lifts up off the sidewalk. Do you remember this? No. Literally no one remembers this. I texted Sarah. She doesn't remember it either. I don't know how we did it or why we did it exactly. But it's a great dress.

And Cynthia remembered something that maybe you had to double that dress. Remember how it was always a bit of a drama for us to have to double something, which is very normal in film and TV. It is. That we have to double or triple something. But for us, because we had, you know, hopefully one of a kind from vintage or one of a kind fashion. Yes.

Like remember my Prada skirt, Pat told me that I couldn't wear it to meet Trey because we had to get five of them because I had to fall in the street. And I was like, we will wear it, we will wear it. And so she had to call, you know, all of Europe to find enough Prada skirt, lipstick skirts, you know, for me to wear it.

And she did, God bless her. That is so relatable to like the no pantyhose. Like in television, you were supposed to be able no problem stunts, you could triple quadruple something. And that was the first kind of department I think, that came along and said, I'm sorry, Charlotte's in a vintage thing and you're gonna have to take, do it once. Right, right. This was unheard of. It was unheard of,

and sometimes people were very unhappy with us because of it, but we felt like it was very, very important, and I think we were right. And you know, many, right? And many people have asked me this over the years, and I kind of feel embarrassed that I'm gonna ask you now, but I will go for it. People have said

that the fashion was its own character. Do you feel that that's true? You know, I always heard that coming along. There's a fourth character, the clothing, and then it started becoming there's a fourth character, the city. Right. But I have to agree on both of those. Yeah. You know, there was a lot to dive into with the clothes. There was a lot to dive into with each of you. And there was a lot to experience in that setting, that location.

It's true. And that was, I think, part of the magic was that we were trying to be of the moment. We weren't trying to be all things for everyone at all times, like the Kansas comment from the HBO executive. But we were trying to be specifically there, you know, and open to the influence of being there on the streets, which was so magical. We did not ever shoot in a restaurant in Brooklyn. Okay, we were strictly of the moment Manhattan. I remember those locations, I was just like, wow, this is so current.

Most people haven't even gotten a table here yet. You know, it was a badge of honor to be shooting there. Definitely. Darren is someone who gave our department so much information. And I think that that helped set up the DNA of the clothing because he was like, Charlotte works. Charlotte doesn't work.

Charlotte addresses this. And that is just a lot of information that oftentimes you don't get to go that deep. That's true. That's so true. I mean, this particular episode that I'm on now, we see her, Charlotte, in the gallery. And I feel like it's the first time, and I'm like, oh, thank God we're in the gallery.

Because in the beginning, that was a big, big part of Charlotte. Like, almost every storyline is at least tangentially related to her art. Like, you remember that I posed for this dude who paints the kind of Georgia O'Keeffe type paintings? I was going to bring that up, and I was going to bring up you dressing like a man. Oh, I can't wait.

I'm not there yet. But isn't that great? Isn't that so great that we did that back then? I remember people stressing out about that. Do you? Didn't you have a mustache? I did. I had a mustache.

Judy Chin did it. And Judy, who is doing makeup for Sir Jessica and I, she would flip back and forth. Do you remember? She and Nikki. And she had just done Frida. She had done Salma Hayek and Frida and she knew how to make like fake eyebrows.

So she did bigger eyebrows on me and the mustache so that it looked really real and wasn't like, you know, if you go to a, you know, costume house and get a paste on. Yeah, it was very special. And also like Charlotte was so, I did a lot of crazy stuff. Oh boy did you. But the Georgia O'Keeffe, are you naked?

They don't show it, thank God in heaven, okay, but theoretically, yes. And then I tell the girls that I did it, right? And then they come to the gallery show and they're trying to guess which one I am. How mortifying, okay? Oh my gosh. But you know what?

This is what I think when I watch it. I think so many things when I watch Our Young Selves, but one thing I think is like we were all very game. Absolutely. I mean, I remember being very nervous, right? And concerned about like, what is this show and how are we telling these stories and, you know, is it from, you know, the female perspective? Like I felt like it was very important that it be from our perspective and not for the

male gaze or something, you know, for men, but something that would, you know, be ringing true for women watching or empowering women who are watching or something like that. And I feel like we came there, but in the beginning it wasn't clear, right? But I think in a lot of ways that was also your guys' influence, you know, that Pat's already showing Darren S&M, you know, domination stuff because she's had such a strong point of view

and you guys were so incredibly integrated into the creative process. And that is another thing about Darren, so collaborative and Michael Patrick King, lots of information to departments, at least ours, and very open to hearing an alternative idea. Right. That's important. You work with are like, no, I want this, which is fine. It's your show, but those guys were like open for business. I feel like we were just creating something

that we felt like didn't exist. And I guess it didn't. I mean, it still doesn't, right? Except for us. There's really nothing to compare it to, which is also so strange to me, you know? It's really, I mean, talk about the planets aligning and being in the right place at the right time.

I mean, that was incredible. I don't even know how Darren hooked up with, you know, Candace, I don't know any of that. I don't know either. I think they just went out in New York, you know? You had a relationship with Darren longer than any, you know. I did, but I didn't really know, you know, I was already sober, right?

So I wasn't going out, you know what I'm saying? And Darren, I feel like Darren has said that he just knew Candace from going out and he thought that she was smart and interesting and funny. And I think he read her column and you know, they were in that kind of very cool upper echelon of New York, not upper echelon like a lot of money, but more like super cool version of that.

But this, okay, many specifics I wanna ask you about because I don't even know the answer to this. But okay, so what I want to ask you about, because I don't even know the answer to this. But, okay, so I remember meeting Sarah Jessica and her saying something about her Manolos that she had collected already. And this is in 1997, right? Pilot time. And I was just so impressed.

I was like, what? You have like, wow, many? And they were all like so carefully, you know, in their dust bags, in the boxes, like, you know, beautifully, beautifully stored. How did you remember the shoe trajectory of Carrie, at least, or the rest of us? I will tell you what I remember and then And then SJ can correct me. I've romanticized it. But I remember Pat and SJ feeling like that label was kind of under the radar. So it was a good one to pluck, you know, and really go for.

I think that's true. Yeah, it was. I mean, I feel like it was. I don't think people downtown knew what a Manolo was. I don't think I did. I don't. It's yeah. Yeah. George, the guy who was Manolo's partner, I guess. Yep. He was really also a real collaborator and open for business and open for anything. Right. So that was a good company to get involved with.

Absolutely. Do you remember, I don't know if you will, but in the beginning, I'm wearing some low tiny kind of heels, like very average. And I remember, I am, it took you guys a while to get me into my shoes. And I remember I had this pair of Manolo pumps, black pumps, that probably, I don't think they were 105 millimeter, I think they were probably like whatever 87 or something. And to me they were really high and I had to really practice walking in them and whatnot. And

there's an episode coming up, I had one pair, one pair, and we just rewore them a lot. And I had that episode, it hasn't happened yet, but when I'm, I'm with the widow in the graveyard, and it was pouring rain, bitter cold, okay, bitter cold, and I'm wearing some kind of almost vintage type dress. It might not have been vintage. I'm not sure. I think it was. Was it? And I want to have a shawl on, but then I wasn't supposed to have a shawl on.

And I'm very cold. So I'm just desperate for anything to keep me warm. And I have to run up this hillside, this muddy hillside, and I basically ruined my Manolos. And I was so stressed about it. And they had to go to the shop and get, like, redone because they were just soaked through with mud from this graveyard, you know?

And then, at some point, you guys did a story with Vogue, I want to say, about the fashion, which at that point, we were desperate for any coverage for the show of fashion or anything in general. Do you remember? We never said no to press in the beginning. Okay, yeah.

You remember this? I don't remember, no, no. So Pat gives them my Manolos for some reason and my little butterfly ruby necklace that I love so much. Do you remember my butterfly ruby necklace? Yes. Vintage, loved that thing. She gave that to them and it never came back.

And one of my Manolos never came back. Oh my gosh. I know. I was like, Pat, feel. Don't give my stuff away. That's amazing that you only got one pair. That's really a sad, sad story. And now, the worst part of it, we beg you to bring shoes from LA to us.

I know, I was just unpacking my box. I was just unpacking my box, but it's okay, Molly. It's okay, I don't mind, because it gives more money for you to buy new things. Right, I was like, we still don't buy you shoes. You still bring them from LA. No, no, no, it's all good, because at this point,

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and they're so funny and like young looking, I feel like. You know, not very structured. I remember, and you tell me if you remember this, I don't know who made it, but I had a black long dress that I wear. It hasn't happened yet, it's coming. And Pat lent me her own Gucci shoes that had the heel made of metal. Yeah. Do you remember this? Yeah. And they've come back, but they are literally

the most painful thing in the world. But I was going to wear those things because at that point, I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going gonna try to live up to this vision that they have for the fashion and myself and everybody else and yes, it's painful, but who cares? You know, like people still talk to me like, you know, I don't know, I wanna wear the heels, but I don't know. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, get ready cause you will lose feeling in your feet at some point.

Right, right. There is numbness involved. There is numbness involved. I mean, for me at all times, my right foot is still numb. But you know what? It's worth it, you guys. I don't care. It was worth it. It was worth it. It was worth it. I can watch an older episode, a past episode, and always watch Cynthia Nixon doing a walk and talk. And I know if her feet are hurting her. I can tell. It's true, it's true.

I agree and I can also tell with myself now, every once in a while, like I had to do looping the other day and I was like, oh man, I should have taken those so-kates off. Why am I trying to wear the so-kate? Oh ouch. I know.

Okay, this is common knowledge, but when we recently shot on Fifth Avenue outside the jewelry store, we had that blue on. It's the blue Terry Mugler halter dress that you and Trey are out. Tiffany is one of my favorites. And when you recently are in blue again with Carrie, I was like, wow, what a great side by side. And I have both those dresses at home.

And your hair is up in a butt, like you're very- Yeah, we tried to do kind of a modern breakfast at Tiffany's, like not too done, because it was the middle of the day. But also, do you remember, and I mean, we're, you know, I could talk to Molly about, you know, 20 million things, you guys, but do you remember when we used to shoot with people on the street, like Charles McDougall directed that breakfast

at Tiffany's the first time with Kyle, and he would send us down the street, do you remember him? Yeah, oh, definitely, I definitely remember him. Yeah, can I tell you guys, there's a director on this current episode that I'm rewatching that I have no memory of. What? How could this be?

His name is Michael Fielder? Fielder? Is that the guy that came to set one time in a stretcher because he had back and he directed from a stretcher? Do you remember that? What? Yeah. On the stage in a stretcher had back problems. We'll have to look it up.

Michael Fields. I'm so sorry, Michael Fields, if you're out there. I don't remember you and I don't know how that's possible. But this is a long time ago. But it was like random when I looked down at the episode. I thought to myself, I can't remember this person. What would Charles McDougall do with this? Charles McDougall was very ambitious and usually what would happen is we would go over budget and Melfi would start to look very stressed and Michael Hill from HBO would come and sit on the set and glare at us, you know, like, you guys are over, you guys are over. And Charles McDougall did not care, okay? He was just doing his artistry and his artistry involved many interesting things and for the breakfast at Tiffany's it involved

Having a long lens camera blocks away from us Blocks and blocks where Kyle and I couldn't even see the camera and then they'd give us a general like try to walk by this seam in the sidewalk and You know, we were just walking and ad-libbing talking right and with regular people okay regular New Yorkers walking down the street walking down Fifth Avenue not knowing I mean maybe we had to get a release from them after the fact I have no idea how that worked right but they're just doing their business and we're just trying to walk and hoping that we are on camera and having no idea that's how amazingly ambitious he was and it was much fun. And then by the time we would get closer,

we would be closer on camera, and then we would probably cut and do that shot where you can see us framed in the window. And then also my other really, really great Charles McDougall was in Bergdorf flipping the china over. You know, Kyle and I are flipping the china over, and I think Bunny comes. But we had, I think we flipped the china like you know kyle and i are flipping the china over and i think bunny comes but we had

i think we flipped the china like 36 times wow yeah that would send you over budget they wouldn't let you do that now right oh i don't think so maybe they'd let michael they wouldn't let they might not you wouldn't do it i would what are What are you saying? What are you saying? I never say no. I wouldn't think you would cut them off at like 12 or something. I never have cut them off in ever, ever, ever. Because you know why? You always feel like you can do it more better. You know, you can do do a better take. I mean, it depends. It depends what's happening that day.

But I can't imagine saying like, no, I won't do another take. I can't imagine. I mean, look I won't do another take. I can't imagine. I mean, look, there's sometimes like, for instance, my very, very lengthy birthday party, which we won't go into any more detail, other than to say that I have a birthday coming. Charlotte has a birthday coming, I should say, on the show.

It is an epic birthday party, okay, epic. And there were times where we would say to our lovely director, Anu, who we love so much, we'd be like, we think we got it. Like, we'd just gently be like, we think we got that one. Because there were just scene after scene, take after take, so many characters, so many characters. You guys were trapped! We were!

Now, what about... But let me ask you something, and tell me if this is really none of my business. Go, baby. What about when they're asking you over and over again in a bedroom scene? Well, I mean, that's a different situation for sure, for sure, yeah. And I do remember definitely stressy, stressy times

way back about, because we had so many different directors, right? And so many different directors, right? And so many different points of view about what it was we were supposed to be doing. And definitely I had some stress. And as you remember, we were often filming in the middle of the ever love a night, right? With like no one around to help you. We didn't have intimacy coordinators back then. And if Michael Patrick wasn't there, you kind of had no,

or Darren for that matter, and often Darren might've gone back to LA or he might've been writing or everyone might've gone home because it was 2 a.m. But it was 2. Yeah, exactly. So you might just be by yourself. And I do remember, we haven't gotten there yet,

but there is a scene where I ended up feeling so uncomfortable that I went and locked myself in my dressing room and called my manager back in LA to get some advice on what to do. Because I just didn't feel like the man director had the right idea for this particular sex scene. You know, I just remember there being a fair amount of anxiety about it. I was like, do you remember that time where I have to try, I'm trying to get Kyle's character to have sex with me? You know, we have this like troubled sex life

in our marriage, do you remember? And I had to wear that sheer nightgown and basically, you know, appeal to him to see me as a sexual being. God help me all. Makes me nervous just thinking about it, okay? Do you remember the stress about that? Yeah.

I mean, I'm trying to kind of emotionally and seductively appeal to him both, right? So it's kind of a difficult scene in that you have to be emotionally available as well as seductive. You know, not like fake seductive. You know what I'm saying? And I remember really stressing about

whether I should wear underwear under that. Because I think Pat wanted me not to. I know it's so embarrassing to think about, right? I know, but I think that was another call to my manager Dave, like, Dave, Pat wants me not to wear any underwear and you can see right through this thing and I don't know what to do. And he was like, you got to wear some underwear. And I'm like, I do, right? I think I should wear any underwear, and you can see right through this thing, and I don't know what to do, and he was like, you gotta wear some underwear. And I'm like, I do, right?

I think I should wear some underwear, right? I'm remembering now why she didn't, because you in real life would not have. It's true, it's true. She wasn't wrong, she wasn't wrong. Yeah, she wasn't wrong. But I mean, you were trying to find the balance between like, can I live with this,, you know, screenshots of this following me around or whatever, right?

But do you remember the time too when Pat wanted to direct? Oh, yeah. She'd be like, you know, I would just take an ice cube and run it down your leg. She had like some crazy ideas. Yeah, she really, and I'll tell you, that carried on through. Pat wanted to direct an Ugly Betty episode. Wow. She wanted to, you know, that visual mind of hers wanted to get out of the square box of the clothes.

Right. Well, she did. I mean, the clothes, for us at least, you know, really permeated everything. Almost to the point in the films where, you know, we had to try to get rid of the conversations about the clothes almost. Like, it took center stage so, so, so much. And I feel like what people thought happened was that brands had come in

and like imposed themselves on us, which was not in fact the case I didn't feel. Did you feel that way? I have never ever, you know, felt like that's an inappropriate thing, even though it's free, it doesn't suit the character and we're gonna put it there. Right. No, it was us wanting these things

and having to find a way to get them because we couldn't afford them on our budget. Because at a certain point, our budget would have exceeded all budgets ever made if we'd paid for everything. Like it was crazy. Handbags are frightening. The prices on handbags are like beyond.

I know this is not popular, but the Abu Dhabi movie, the costume department, those are our famous costumes ever. I know. I loved everything that you guys wore. That strapless blue thing that I was sweating bullets to do this pin. I was so afraid to pin that on you. You mean that the the like a busier or talking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you seeing it five in the morning? Yeah, when we're so cold that we've turned blue. Yes.

I remember that is beautiful. Those things that those little things that stress you out. I had to call for the supervisor to come and help me. I just wanted it to be in the right place. I mean, that's the thing. You guys, with your attention to detail, you are unmatched. You guys are there as well. Well, thank you. But I mean, like if you think about, you know, you and Pat,

and now you and Dani, obviously, on and just like that, and all of our dressers that we've ever had, and all of the supervisors and the attention to you know how things are made and how things are put together and how a bow is tied you guys don't even want to be around when a bow needs to be tied okay I mean the stress careful that's dangerous I know I know I won't go into any more detail but there's many people who have strong feelings on how a bow must be tied, okay? And you don't even wanna get involved, right?

You're just like, yeah, sure, do whatever, you guys do whatever. But I think, like when some people are, they say things like, you know, I think maybe when people come to work on our show after having seen it, they're kind of amazed what all goes into just a scene or a walk and talk or whatever because you when you're watching it hopefully you're not thinking about that right but then we know like the levels and levels of levels of attention to detail that it

takes to make it good. Well you know you of all people know what it's like to come for your fitting and you always block out an entire day at lunch. And what is it like on other, when you go to other... It's sad Molly. What happens? It's really sad. When you go to, if you've been with us, right, and then you get a job, you know, when we're off, you're just like, oh, God. I mean, for me, I'm like, can I go home and get my clothes? I mean, because we're just spoiled rotten, okay?

But the other thing that I think about when I think back, like, we used to work, you know, as you know, almost all night as the week went on, right, till sun rose on Saturday morning. But also sometimes because there was no time for a fitting. Because all of us were working so much more. We didn't have as many days to do an episode. So even if it would seem like maybe one of us wasn't in that episode as much, we were probably

in the other episode being filmed, right? And sometimes we had multiple units. Oh, after the movie. Yeah. So the only time to do a fitting was when you wrapped at night. And I remember going to a fitting at like 2 AM. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking, this is insane. Can you believe that? No, but we did it. Seems unfathomable to me. I remember that time that somebody, I think it was the supervisor Mark, made up

t-shirts because we had four units going. Yeah. A, B, C, and D. That would be illegal now. Do you think it would be? I mean it was the only way we could finish, right? But that was when we were in Silver Cup and they had all those stages. So we had, Sopranos must have rapped, right? So we were just by ourselves and we would just run from stage to stage to stage. And we'd be like, what do we have to do now?

Oh yeah, we've got to do a phone call, our half of a phone call. So we'd run over to B unit and do that. And then we'd run over to B unit and do that and then we'd run over to C unit and do like a insert of our hand picking up a glass or whatever it was like oh my god the insanity. But you know we were young we had the energy right? We were in it to win it. It was exciting. We were we were in it to win it and it was exciting and we loved it so much as we still do. It's still exciting and it's still coming back to and just like that was like back to summer camp. I know right?

Yeah. It still is so much fun and so amazing that we even get to still play in the sandbox. Oh my gosh absolutely so grateful. Molly I could talk to you forever as you know. So will you come back and do another episode? Can we make this into two? Yeah. Okay, good. MUSIC

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