Are You A Charlotte? - Your Girl is Lovely Hubble... Heather Graham Continues... (S2 E18 "Ex and the City")

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

As they continue to discuss this episode, Kristin tells Heather a surprising fact about how they cast the men in the show. And, as a result, we're getting a sneak preview about Trey/Kyle MacLachlan. Heather and Kristin share their true feelings about Big at this point, as well.Plus, we get a fascinating tidbit from Melrose Place and how it later influenced Charlotte!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She's like, I got to thinking. I mean, it's so funny to hear the lines, you know, because everyone used to talk about this stuff, but I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Now I'm like, no, it's incredible. It's so great, right? And I do think she says, and just like that at some point, which is also really funny. I noticed that when I was rewatching it this morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's interesting. It's interesting. No, no, didn't, I had no idea that that was going on, but it was. So she's talking about, you know, friendship with an X and is it an unsolvable equation or is it, you know, what does the X mean, right? Like, she talks about math for a second, which is kind of funny. I was like, okay, talking about math equations. All right. So Steve adorably shows up at Miranda's door because he's like you ran from me.

That really hurt my feeling. feelings. He's so sweet. Like that's so vulnerable and adorable that he says that to her, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, God, I just love him so much. And Miranda kind of burst into tears, which is also fascinating. And I didn't remember any of this, but Cynthia's just so, so good. They're so good together. And you see that she really has this turmoil and she says a few, a few times in the scene, like, I really miss you. And you realize at that point, like, oh, it's like so much more. And then she wants to even. fully admit to, you know, like he has connected with her underneath all of her facade of toughness, you know, and I love it so much. So Steve is back. It's great. So great. So great. Then I weirdly am running. I don't remember this at all. I'm like, what am I wearing? I don't remember filming this. I'm running around the reservoir, which is a theme. You had a lot of scenes where you run around I know. So many. And that one I did not remember. Do you run? No. No, I did. I did. At one point, when I was on Melrose Place, I had the very distinct sensation that I was not working out enough

to fit in. I have tried to run and it's, I hate it. I had to get a running coach. Wow. Because all of the girls would talk about their workout routines and I was like, darn, I'm like not not doing it at all, right? So I got a running coach. And he would teach me how to run because I was one of those kids where everyone would laugh at me when I ran. Right. Oh, that's cute. Thank you. Not cute at the time, but I thank you.

So he taught me how to run better. I don't know that I'm still that good, but he taught me how to run better and I ran on the beach, which was, you know, really hard. Yeah. And it made my quads look like a, like a speed skater in the Olympics. Yeah. So you build up muscle like really fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a bad idea. Yeah. I had to quit that. But then when they were like Charlotte runs, I did think it made sense. because she's so focused and trying to move forward in her pursuits, right? It seemed to work. And she also plays tennis, which we'll get to with the Kyle character, you know, with Trey. And she makes jokes about her Waspy family, and that's how they handle emotions, which I think is great, right?

Like those things I thought were great. So I was like, yes, yes, let's run. Let's try to see some workout wear and run. So I'm running, and I see a horse. I didn't remember this. I remember that I would talk about my love, my tattie love, but I hadn't remembered. I tell a story, or Carrie tells the story, I guess, voiceover that had fallen off the horse and broken my collarbone.

And my father had sold the horse the next day, which seems so harsh. You know, like, ow, I hadn't remembered any of that. Like, emotionally, you see why Charlotte loves her dogs that are coming so much, right? Because her dad sold her horse, like, the next day. But I was competing, I think. I mean, like, what? I've got to look up Charlotte's backstory. I was like, wow, I don't remember any of this.

I do remember that she had a horse named Taddy that she loved. So I see this horse and it's riding through Central Park. And this still happens where you'll just be walking in Central Park and see a horse go by. And it's just so incredible. I just saw one and I was just walking there. Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible, right? Yeah, it is.

It's such an old world thing that's still happening. It's pretty cool. So I see the horse. We hear the story, I think, from Carrie, about Taddy, the horse in the competition that broke my collarbone. and then I think maybe it's time to get back in the saddle. And that's some lovely writing. You know, it connects to the others without me having to have a guy, which I think is great, right?

Then Samantha, this is great, and I would love to know where John Eno's is, the actor who plays Mr. Too Big, which we're about to meet. Did you ever meet him? No. Oh, he was all around in the scene in the 90s. He was really handsome. I mean, my God, is he handsome.

I'm so nice. Yeah, and I mean, he is fit, too. Oh, my God. But I heard at one point, this is a rumor. I heard that Samantha, that Kim Cottrell got to choose her love interest at a certain point once the show got more successful, that she could, like, sign off on them or whatever. We all do. You do?

Yeah. So you guys would say, like, I'll okay to this person, but not to that person? Well, this is what would happen. So not if it was a one episode guy, at least not for me. Right. And I don't know in that case, you know, because she had some kind of, you know, more intimate stuff to do with people, right? So maybe they asked her, which would have been lovely. I have no idea.

But, like, for me, I don't think, I don't think they asked me to be involved until it was Trey. Really? So when they chose Trey, they let you. But this is what was funny. How could you say known to Chalalm McLaughlin? I mean, you must have been psyched, right? Yeah. Well, I was shocked.

Okay. I was shocked. I was shocked. I was shocked for so many reasons. But actually, now that I'm thinking back on it, they didn't actually ask me, they just told me. Right, right, right, right. No, that's a great get for you guys. Beyond, absolutely.

But also, Michael Patrick had gone to. an event like a picnic and he had been there and he just Michael Patrick was just dazzled yeah yeah yeah yeah the thing that was weird for me was that what I'd been told because Michael would sit us down before every season tell us the arc of our character the big picture even way back it was very respectful respectful and lovely and we were included even though we had no titles right right right and he the idea was that you know the beginning of third season I start talking about like, I'm going to get married. I've got this book and it tells me how and, you know, some crazy things. I have so many friends that do stuff like that. Really? Oh my God. Well, I read

this book and on this many dates, this should be happening. I'm like, you know, you know, you know that like these books aren't actually, you know. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very hard. I had to really act my ass off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Super didactic. Like, this is what I'm going to do. No, no, no, no, no. So I'm really, they set me on a course, you know, I'm going to be married by the end of the year. And then the idea, originally had been so funny. I mean, but people do this because Oh, it's totally relatable.

Oh my God, I've done calling in the one. I've done all these like books that you read, you know? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I avoid them like the plague, okay? Yeah. Smart. Thank you.

Well, I think because I played Charlotte, right? Yeah, you already got that. Yeah. So the idea for Trey in the original before we met Kyle was that Charlotte would find this guy and he would be handsome and everything, but that he was super boring and that everyone hated him. And then it would be the kind of thing where they'd be like,

oh, God, here he comes. Will you talk to him? Like the friends, which we've all been through, right? But the problem was he was played by Kyle McLaughlin. So he's not boring. He's not boring. And all of us were equally like, you know, Kyle McLaughlin. So they had to shift real quick, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're actually talking about this being a trend. Okay, yeah. And that part of the reason it's a trend is because the younger guys grew up with different expectations and kind of training and are not as held down by kind of the, you know, stereotypical norms that our age men were. And I think I think older women are also getting more brave, you know, because I think probably there was always probably younger women. women that, younger men that wanted to go out with older women, but maybe some older women felt like, maybe I'm not supposed to do this. Like, I don't know if you remember when Demi Moore dated Ashton Kushner. I certainly do. I mean, I think a lot of people were like, oh, lucky,

you know, that's a hot couple. But she got flack as well, you know, so it's like, why should she be getting flack when like her male counterparts are not getting any flag? You know, for one hot second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no man ever gets flag, but all the women get flag. I know. It's insane. But what I love now is they're making these, like, Laura Dern did one with Chris Hemsworth, I want to say. Love it. I know I can't wait to see that. Some young man, I don't even know his name.

No, I saw that one. Yes, yes. Yes. I loved it. Did you love it? Yeah, it was really good. I loved it. I loved that director, Michael Showalter.

He's amazing. Yes, he's so good. He's so good. Like, I love that trend and I want it to be a real trend. And there's some other actress person who's talked about this. And I can't remember who it is right now, but I'm like, yeah. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that.

But then I think to myself, I mean, it's odd with my kids, right? Like, you know, I can't really just be like, hey, here's this 30-year-old dude. Like, you know what I mean? My kids would be like, what? I mean, look at the director, what's her name, who did 50 Shades of Grey, who's got them much younger husband. They were like super in love and they've been, he

had been together like 20 years or something. Yeah, no, that's super impressive. I mean, you can always find examples, right? Yeah. But I think for my kids, I wouldn't want to casually introduce them. No, casually, yeah, not casually. Right, right, right. If it was something serious. If you were serious. Yes, yes. And then

if, if, if, the guy could play basketball, everything would be fine. Your kids would like him. I'd have to send him to a coach if he wasn't good at basketball. But I think I love that trend. I mean, not to say that there's anything wrong with men our age because there's not. But I mean, a lot of them are married, obviously, or, you know, maybe divorced. No, my friend, she was on some dating apps.

And she's a really successful writer. She's really cool. She's around our ages. And so she was on there and she wasn't getting like a lot of matches. And then she expanded her profile to include, like, much younger guys. And her, she was, like, flooded with people. Amazing. And now she's going to, she's the one, we're going to, we might, I think we might write

something together. But, like, but, no, she was flooded with all these younger guys trying to date her. Did she go out with him? She went out with some. And how was it? I think she had a fun fling with one guy. Got it. Got it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe that's what it is. And that's fine. No, but it was so funny how she got, like, this massive, like, Wow. Okay, all right. All right. Let's go back to the show.

Back to the show. Okay. So Samantha is walking down the street. This fits right in. This is before app. So you guys, she's walking down the street, Madison Avenue, and she walks by this honk a man. His name in life is Johnny knows. And he looks at her, and she looks at him, and it's like, ooh, sizzily.

And then she walks past him and looks in the window at Prada on the Upper East Side. And then he comes back, and he says something like. You know, you look amazing. And she goes, well, you're so confident. What makes you so cocky? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he goes, I guess I was born that way. And he's not joking.

We find out later, which is super funny. But I love how he plays it because he's just like light and kind of like, well, I guess I was just born that way. Yeah. He's like, the hunk of man. I mean, if that guy asked you out on the street, you'd be like, wow. I mean, right? Right. And Samantha plays it a little cool.

I know, which is, of course. not like, oh, yeah, very, I mean, cool for her, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then we're just going to do her storyline because I think it's super interesting. They go, they're in her really weirdly red bedroom and she takes her, she's in her, like, cute little lingerie. And he strips that shirt off and you're just like, Jesus! And then he goes, you know, I think I need to tell you something before we go any further. And she's like, yes?

And she, I can see in her face. She thinks he's going to say he has an STD or something, you know, she's like, oh, no, this is bad. And then he goes, you know, I just need to tell you I'm very well endowed. And he seems kind of adorably embarrassed when he says this, right? He's very being very modest. So cute. Yeah. And she's like, oh, that's wonderful.

She's all like cat-like. She goes like ding, ding, ding, ding. Totally. Yeah, she's very into it. And then we come to find out, no, it's actually an actual problem. Yes. Which is interesting. And even Samantha can't do it, which is bizarre.

And I would love to know his experience of playing that guy because all the guys... I wonder if a lot of women after that show were like, okay, I'm ready. Give it to me. Right. I mean, it could have been because all the guys have trippy, trippy

stories about women, like about women hitting on them after being on the show. Or just hating them. Really? Do you mean? Depending on who they played. Really? Like who?

Like, I feel kind of bad for them. Yeah. Who was just telling us? Oh, well, Fetterman was telling us that people had said all kind of crazy things to him. Wow. About the mouse and whatever. You don't know what I mean.

And then. Right? And then someone else, oh, Brian Van Holt, because he kind of had a, he played like a, like a, I don't want to say who it was written after, but, you know, he was kind of ick. And so people would sometimes, they'd be like, oh, my God, you're that guy. And then be like, oh, that was terrible, you know, whatever, like he'd actually done it, you know. And also Bridget, who played Natasha, told me that for years, people would come up to her and say things like, you know, you ruin Carrie. life. Are you kidding?

Isn't that messed up? People don't realize this is not real. Right? It's not real. But also, Carrie she did on. Yeah, she actually, in fact, Carrie actually did worse because they're true, whereas Bridget, like he was single, right? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were broken up. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So she had to put up with it for a while, but she said as time went on, people would come up to her and be like, you, you know, you were wronged and, you know, whatever about. You know, and she'd be like, oh, thank God, the tides have turned.

Anyway, it's all very trippy, but yes, it is all fictional. So it's interesting to me that... Because maybe he doesn't have, I don't know. I feel sure it's fine. I just want to say... No, I'm sure he has a good one, right? I'm sure it's good. I feel in my bones that it is good.

Just from the way that he handled it at the time, I could be wrong. I have no personal knowledge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he didn't seem to have any problem with it. Let me put it that way. Maybe you should find out. We should find out for sure. But I do feel at the time, we had figured out, like, as a group that it was hard for the men to come into our show as girlfriends, basically.

They were playing the girlfriend equivalent parts, right? And it seemed unusual for them to be doing that, and sometimes they seemed uncomfortable. So we would kind of try to be friendly, you know, and try to be like, are you okay? How are you feeling? And I remember talking to Johnny Simpson and I'm fine, you know. How are you? And I love it. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, he's seen totally fine. I hope that that's still true. Okay, here we go. There's so much more to talk about. Oh, my God. Okay, so this is when they, okay, okay, Carrie decides. Carrie sees, okay, so they have this whole conversation about can you be friends with your ex. Then Carrie goes home and she finds a Laura Ashley dress from the 1980s, which I had a few of that I wore for auditions.

You know, they would be like my special dress, which really makes me laugh and possibly why I didn't get parts in the 80s when I just got out of college. right so she finds an old dress and she realizes like this is so crazy that we would keep old clothes but that we just throw away our ex-boyfriends and she decides to call big she calls them up Natasha picks up the phone not expecting this so Carrie hangs up the phone you know this in the olden days with regular phones right then she decides like oh no he could see caller ID so I'm going to call back so that he calls back she calls back and they they have this whole conversation and then they decide to have lunched at 11 Madison Park, which is still a lovely, very formal, expensive restaurant.

And Carrie comes in this beautiful pink dress. I have no memory of this scene at all. I vaguely remember stress about, but there's like a number of different restaurant scenes. Like there's the restaurant scene where they eventually fall in the pond and the park, right? There's a bunch of restaurant scenes. But this one, I didn't remember at all and I didn't even know what was going to happen, right? Like I'm just sitting on the edge of my seat. What's going to happen?

It was so good. It was so good. And she has her beautiful natural curly hair with a little bit of frizz on top. I love it so desperately. And he is being nervous, which we've almost never seen. Yeah, that's true. And it's interesting, right? He's always like Mr. Cool Guy.

Right. And he's like repeating himself and nervous because he knows that he has to tell her that he and Natasha are engaged. And he tells her, she says, let's make a pact that we're not going to talk to each other about our relationships until they get very serious, at which point there's a horrific long silence, literally horrific to the point where I'm like, Carrie, get up and run. You know what I mean? Because I couldn't remember what was going to happen.

But, like, he just looks at her for the longest time. And the thing that I thought was great about it is he's so torn. Like, on the one hand, he is engaged to this girl and she's lovely and, like, perfect in so many ways. But he's still so torn, you know, about telling Carrie, like, it's interesting. And I thought he played it really, really well. Yeah, totally. Totally. Because you just see so much in his eyes, right? But also, you wouldn't be like, fuck you. Yeah. It's kind of mysterious. You don't really know what he's thinking. You're like,

oh, do you want to be back with Carrie? Do you not? You don't really know where he's coming from. No. And I mean, that's the whole thing with Mr. Bing. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the entire thing. You never know where he's coming from. And I so relate to that, to being in those relationships where you're just like. It's like that old school man who doesn't know how to express his feelings, doesn't know how to talk to you. And it's very frustrating. And that's why people want to go out with younger men. Yeah, interesting. Because they are different.

Because they're a little better at talking about it. It seems like it. I mean, I'm sure that's not across the board. Maybe they're not brought up with the same like old school macho. Like you are not allowed to have any feelings and you can never talk about them. You know? Yeah, definitely. And good for them.

Yeah. That's true. So he tells her that they're engaged. She puts her head down in her hands. And then she says, it just really cut my heart so bad. She says, you string me along for two years. Then you marry some 20. five-year-old girl after five months.

And he's like, I did not string you along. And I just want to kill him. I just want to kill him. You know, he totally strung her along. He totally, what is he talking about? Like men. I love how supportive you are to carry. It's cute.

You really are like a good friend, right? Well, of course I am. But I also really, really relate. You know what I mean? And like, I have had, I mean, I can't think right now of an, oh, yeah. Well, it's kind of that thing, you know, well, she says it later. like when you break a guy in and then you help them grow and then they're ready for the next one, but not for you.

It's super annoying. Yeah. And I have definitely felt that. I can't think of who they are right now, which is interesting that I have forgotten them. But I know that there are times in my youth where I was like, well, I did all the work. And now, look at that. But I didn't really necessarily want that, right? So there was that too, of like, but I'm still free, which is great.

And that's what I wanted. Do you mean? It's interesting. Yeah. So now we cut to Carrie and me in the stables and the Claremont. stables like I was telling you about. And I'm just thinking like, why is Charlotte making poor Carrie be there in her heels? Why did Carrie wear heels to go to the stable? I know, because she's Carrie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she's Carrie. And I, you know, I want to get back up on the

horse, but she's obviously just basically flipping out after this lunch, right? And just like, she's a very cute top on, by the way, but I wish I had. All of it. All of it is very cute. And she has it in the storage unit somewhere. Maybe one day it will come back out. And Carrie compares her relationship with Big to a horse and that she broke him in, right? Which is all the horse imagery, as you said, is fantastic through the whole show. And I'm scared to get on the horse, which is also interesting. And I kind of freak out. I go to get on the horse.

And then I'm like, no. And then we leave. And I'm like low-level Charlotte terrified. Like, you know, Charlotte has a lot of big feelings. Then we're back to Samantha. She just can't do it. Which is so sad. And poor Johninos, I felt so bad for him.

She needs a really big, big vagina, big coochie. I guess. I mean. I hope he found someone that could do it. I know. Yeah. I just feel like if you tried longer, harder with some lubricant or, I don't know. But I have seen some guys, their penises are crazy.

Really? I mean, I'm not saying, it's more like in a porno, okay? Not in life. I've never been with a guy where I was like, oh, my God. But like, sometimes if you see people online, you're like, does that really real? It's right. You know? I mean, there's that one guy where they made a, I mean, obviously, Heather's made me feel

very comfortable, you guys. I'm saying some craziness on here. There's that one porn guy where they made a dildo based on him. Right. Okay, yeah. That was, because we've had to film at numerous sex shops or whatever you call it, like the one on sunset. And how big is it? It was pretty big, but I don't feel like it was like it was like.

It's not ridiculous. No, but I've seen people like, that it's like, you know, who wants that? I mean, that's like, I don't want that. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't want that. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't want that. It's crazy.

Heather just really put her hands far away, you guys, like 12 inches, okay, in case you're not watching. I mean, that is kind of what is implied because like, when they are trying again, right. You know, they're kind of going slow. And she's like, okay, okay, okay. And then he goes, okay, are we ready? And she's like, are we ready? Yeah.

So I guess it's implying. length. Yeah, that's weird. I can't imagine that. That could be painful. I don't know. I've never had that problem. I don't know. Yeah. It's a loaded storyline, man. Oh, my God. So then, I've skipped around a bit, but oh, then this is so sweet. So Miranda and Steve go to dinner because they're trying to be friends, but you can so tell that, you know, it's just unfinished, unfinished business, man. So they come back and they have the sweetest room, the sweetest scene in her bedroom, which also made me think, Miranda not have the rest of her set yet because we had to like we would each get more walls you know as time went on yeah and for a long time I only had the white bedroom with a picture of a woman falling through water like kind of a sad and interesting picture and a pink lamp which I still have in my house oh wow and they used to only have two flats that they would just move around okay and then once I had a hallway yeah when Samantha sleeps with my doorman and I was like I don't even remember that hallway where did that hallway go yeah and then I at a kitchen when Samantha sleeps with my brother, but then that kitchen disappears also.

They're all white. That's how you know that they're mine, right? And then I think, well, we don't go to my house in this scene, which is with the horses. But with Samantha, we just see her red bedroom. And with Miranda, I feel like we just see the bedroom with the metal bed. But when she had the interior designer, she did have a living room. So I, but I don't know what happens. One of my most memorable Miranda scenes was when she made the brownies and she was trying not to eat the whole tray and then she threw them in the trash for then she took them out of the trash and then she threw them in the trash again and then she poured like soap on it so she stopped eating it because do you remember when she ate the cake out of the trash or the cookie she eats out of the trash I know this because

it's a meme okay it's a meme it's really good it's really good oh it's relatable you're like I'll just have one cookie totally I mean all the Miranda food stuff is hysterical like they wrote that scene and Cynthia was always so game to do it yeah because we would really eat in the coffee shop scenes and everyone would. Yeah, everyone would ask us, no spit bucket. Yeah, they would ask us in advance, what food do you want? You would try to order wisely, obviously. And what would you order? Very long. It would depend. I would usually order like a chicken breast or something, something that was like, you know, not to like let it, like I was not into the salads. Cynthia was into the salads. So they eventually write a scene where she has like all the salad dressing and it's like all over her face.

And I was like, you guys, why are you going so far? Like, don't go so far. And she was so totally game. And sometimes I get salmon or something healthy. So you get like a protein. Yeah. What would everyone else get? A fair amount of salads, except they're hard to eat. And they really want us to eat. Right?

So if you don't pick your fork up, they'll come over there and be like, pick your fork up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, okay, I'm trying to talk. That's a problem. I mean, we both know, like, once they're shooting from all, you have to eat a lot of food in those scenes because you can do like 20 takes or 30 takes of that scene. Exactly. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead.

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And I lose my voice in the scene. You can tell that, because we had to sing so much. Oh, wow. My voice is like half at half-mast. I never noticed that. I also lose my voice a lot in that as the season goes because we would work all night, all night, all night. And have to be loud, even though we're body-miked and everything.

So my voice is like scratchy. And I'm always scared to death of singing. And I can tell Sarah's like caretaking me in that scene. Do you know what I mean? She's like looking at me, like focus. Like focus on me. Don't be scared. That's sweet.

I know because also you're singing Barbara Streisand. It's not an easy song. You know, but it's a fun, it's fun to watch because, like, we are the three of us so invested in explaining to Samantha. Right. The similarities and the beauty of the way we were in case any of you listening have not seen the way we were. Watch it. Please see it immediately. It is magical in so many ways.

And they duplicated the plaza scene, right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible. It's incredible. And just recently, when we were promoting that other show, I'm not going to say the name. We were in Paris.

And we went on this kind of like, they had like lengthy talk shows in Europe, you know? And Cynthia Sarah and I went together onto this talk show. And there was a whole panel of people interviewing us, like maybe five people. It was so interesting. And the main woman was in charge. And they had this whole package made of the way we were, of Barbara Streisand singing, of Sarah Jessica talking about how she loves Barbara Streisand. And then the scene at the end of this episode. Yeah.

And they played the whole thing. thing for us, and all of us teared up. I didn't have thinking about it. Yeah. It was so good, you know, and so beautiful. And at that point, we didn't know that the show was ending. But it reminded us, you know, of

like all the times before you know, and like what we've gotten to make. Yeah. And just the beauty. That was in a really memorable moment. And not only that, it was like your guys' friendship and just that beautiful, like, yeah, it was just a great energy. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it was so good.

And right when they finished, because I was looking at Cynthia and Sarah, because I'm the crier, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, no, what are they going to do? They're cheered up. And they don't want to be teared up on a TV show, Teared to say. So, like, when it was done, I think I jumped in there to try to talk to give them a minute or whatever.

But, I mean, it was, it really like, and then when I watched the episode, I have all those feelings all over again. Wow. It's so good. Yeah, it really is. It's one of the most powerful episodes, I think. I agree. Yeah.

And so she, let's just talk through it just briefly. So basically the engagement party's been happening. Carrie's been down the street with us talking about how she can feel them down there. She was invited, but she didn't go, which also is a little weird. They invited her, but whatever. And, you know, we're all, we're drinking and we're like, you know, ah, you know, then we're trying to talk about other things. And then she walks by it, which you know she's like kind of drawn, you know,

like a moth to a flame, right? And she sees big getting in the car with Natasha and he sees her and he's wearing this very black brown suit and he to me i'm like why do we care so much about him do you know what i felt right and she looks incredible you know in that white slip dress just to die so he walks over to her and she's so sweet and kind of sad and sweet to him and has so much poise she's like looking for clarity too like well why why did you ask her to marry you and not me right she says why her yeah he doesn't really answer. Yeah, he doesn't. He says it was complicated, you know? And then he goes, he says it was just so hard. That's what he says. Which I just want to kill him when he says that. I'm like,

but then he goes and she's just so, and I think the word would be simple, right? But he doesn't say it. Or easy, maybe. Or easy. Yeah, yeah. Totally. But then you're thinking, what is it costing her to be like that? That's what I'm thinking at least. I'm like, how hard is she having to try to be so easy? I mean, maybe she just says naturally that way, but I don't know anything about that. It's easier to kind of keep that up after five months. A few years later, you know, nobody's that easy, right? Right? That's what I'm thinking, too, Heather.

That's what I'm thinking too. So then he kind of trails off. He doesn't really give her, like, a solid answer, and that leads her into remembering the Barber Streis and Robert Redford Bowman, and she reaches up and touches his hair and says, you know, your girl is lovely Hubble, and he says. He's kind of like, doesn't make what I don't get it or something. Yeah, he says, I don't get it.

Carrie says, and you never did. Yeah. And it's so incredibly good. And then she walks away towards camera, which is one of the most beautiful shots. It's a great shot. And the wind blows her hair. Yeah. Oh, it's incredible. And he's in the background and who cares about him? You know what I mean?

And then she says, this is so good. So she's right by the plaza, which is where the horses are for the horse-strung carriages for Central Park, which I really personally wish they weren't, but they still are. So she walks by the horses and you can see, it's actually one of our ADs is playing the horse drunk carriage guy and he's trying to put the harness on the horse's head and the horse doesn't want the harness

on his head. It's like fighting it, right? And the line, the voiceover line says, then I had a thought, maybe I didn't break big. Maybe the problem was he didn't break me. Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. Oh, chills. I feel like I related to that so much. Yes. It's so good. And maybe Some women aren't meant to be tamed. Yeah. And isn't that just who we should be? And not just fit into this box, but just to really be your authentic self. Yes.

Yes. And it's so good. And her and that horse have a look. That was an iconic moment, just like walking away with a horse and the thing. And like whether or not I get this guy, I'm fabulous. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And then she says, maybe they need to run free until they find someone. just as wild to run with. Yeah. I've forgotten that part. Yeah. Because she doesn't really, like, the, I don't know what happens next because I can't remember, but Aiden comes eventually.

He's, I mean, I don't know, maybe this is unfair. He's not really someone to run wild with. Yeah, I mean, I guess you could see him as slightly wilder than big,

but he's not exactly what you're picturing when she's saying that, you know? Right. No, no, you're thinking, let this woman run wild, like for real, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, it was really good.

Oh, wait, here's, here's some Enos, uh, trivia. Yeah. Okay, his name is John Inos the 3rd. Okay. And he played Mr. Kocky, and he was known for this episode as Bobby Perrizi on Melrose Place. Oh, my God. Did you work with him? No, I think he came after me. Maybe that's what we talked about.

After this episode, he went on to do 212 episodes of The Young and the Restless. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Katie, did you know him from Melrose Place? No. Apparently, we were both on the same season four. Maybe I did. We've got to find John Inos.

and ask him. Maybe you should have them on. Talk to him. I should totally have them on. They're catching up with friends. Then we have some trivia about the, yes, we recreated. We already talked about that. 11 Madison Park still open.

I'm glad we did this episode. I love this episode. I love this episode so much. I had totally forgotten that that white dress is John Galliano for Christian Dior. Oh, really? The like most desired vintage season. Are you serious? Yeah, also the.

It would be fun to talk about some of your, I don't. I love, like, your love story with Kyle and Evan. I mean, it was so fun to see Charlotte go through that. I'm glad. I'm so glad. I mean, it was kind of, it was like, it was kind of stressful at times. You know what I mean? But also, I want to talk about your movie you made.

Oh, thank you. Okay. I cannot believe you wrote, directed, and starred it in a film called Chosen Family, which I love the title. Yes, yes. I mean, how did you do this? Well, you know, I wanted to celebrate friendships and the friends are the chosen family. And, you know, in a lot of ways, I've been inspired by sex in the city, maybe because

I could relate. But it's kind of about how there's sort of like a codependency undercurrent to it as well. It's kind of about how, you know, sometimes if your family has certain maybe dysfunctional patterns, how you can be attracted to that in your relationship. Well, I must see this film. It's kind of about how your friends are really your family and, yeah. Love it. But how was it directing yourself? It was fun. There's also a story plot about dating a guy, a divorce guy with a kid. And I don't know if you've, well, you have kids, but, you know, when you dated, I don't know, either dating someone and them trying to get along with your kids or, you know,

you dating someone trying to get along with their kids, that that can be sometimes like a, like a transitional period where they're not always so excited. Like, oh, you're like a new person. No, that's why I said I'm not going to introduce my kids to the 30 year old that I'm going to find in the future. I mean, some people I know have had like no problems and they get along great, but sometimes, you know, there's, there's a period where it's hard. Yeah.

But, like, how did you direct yourself? Well, you know, I had people on set that were great. I had my best friend who's a producer. His name's Michael Nichols, and he was there. He would help. And then the DP's amazing. He actually shot Emily and Paris. And, yeah, and a bunch of other cool shows.

So they would help me and be like, well, try this or try that. Or maybe the scene's not working. Try it this way. Try it that way. So we were like a little three group where we would, we talked about everything in advance. Cool. Yeah. And I hope to have some other stuff that I'm developing.

I just wrote a new script. It's called Trigger that I'm working on with Vanessa Hope and Ted Hope. Amazing. I option this Leanne Moriarty book. It's called The Hypnotice Love Story. Amazing. And I'm working on it with my friend Deb Fisher, who's the showrunner of the first two seasons of Ginny and Georgia, which was a really good show. My dog loves this show.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and we have, we might turn into a movie, a TV show. We're kind of figuring it out right now. But I love female stories. Amazing. Stories with female protagonists. I love it.

Yay. And do you want to continue directing? I do. I would love to. I mean, I love all kinds of behind the scenes. Like, I like the producing aspect. I'd like to option books. Maybe I'll do stuff where I don't direct or writer at, you know, but I love every aspect. I like acting, acting in it, directing, writing, producing. It's so much harder when you direct and write and produce. Because it's like, it can take years. And it's kind of like your baby. And then when people make different decisions that you think they shouldn't be making, it's much more of like a roller coaster. But it's very fun. You know, it's so fun to be in this business and to learn about all the, like, how much cinematatized. makes a huge difference, how much the editing makes a huge difference, how much the music makes a huge difference. It's just fun to learn about all that stuff. Absolutely. I'm so impressed. Thank you. It's amazing. You're so sweet. You know what? You meet people and you are just like a very, very sweet, lovely person. Thank you. Sometimes I'm not. Just not here. You know what I mean? Like why? Right.

No, but you have like, maybe they base the character on your true, but you have all the sweetness of shark. You know what I mean? Like it seems like you really, um, It's cool. Yeah. Because sometimes you meet people and you're like, wow, that person isn't jerk. 100%. We have all been in that moment. And you're like, oh, I'm really looking for it.

And then you're like, wow, that person is. And you're like, oh, no, mean, you know. Totally. It's so scary, right? You are lovely. Thank you so much, Heather. And it's so fun talking to you. It's really fun having you.

I mean, the thing I think about Charlotte and what I love about her, I obviously love Charlotte. And we really did develop her together because she wasn't so much in the book that we faced the show off of, right? So no one ever... She gets really deep. Like, as it goes along, you get to learn so much about her and she's complicated and deep. And I'm so thankful to the wagers for that. You know, but they gave me such a gift.

And Michael Patrick, especially, like, we have such a incredible relationship and know each other so well, obviously, for 30 years. But it's really cute, like, your properness mixed with, like, the raunchy nature of the show. It's really funny, you know? I have had moments on here. We had someone on, and it was an episode where we had to say the P word or something. And I didn't want to say it. And then one of the comments was, like, date. Davis seems really conflicted. I'm like, yes, yes, I am. I play Charlotte. I have conflicted. Like,

I'm not against. I celebrate freedom, but sometimes in the moment. It's not your personality, which is adorable. Yeah. Right. Thank you. Thank you. You're a joy. And I can't wait to see everything you're going to do. I'm going to go watch that movie. I want some pictures with you. Let's do it. Let's do it. Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless, Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, campside media, and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime

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