AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - Alien Being Explains UFO Propulsion & Telepathy - Lacerta Files pt. 3 - DEBRIEFED ep 30

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Patreon Exclusive Content: https://www.patreon.com/Area52investigationsAREA 52 Shop: https://www.area52.shopSecond Channel: @area52clipsJoin The Area52 Discord: https://discord.gg/C7ZB5M3qjv In this episode, we dive deeper into the Lacerta Files, exploring the science of propulsion: technology beyond our understanding and the mysteries of telepathy. If this account is real, what does it reveal about hidden knowledge, advanced physics, and the true nature of consciousness? Is telepathy an innate ability? How do their crafts manipulate gravity and time? Let's break it down.

Hi, Chris. In 2012, my work partner and I were working on a 911 ambulance and working night shift together. When we both saw a giant flying V partially cloaked above our heads, completely had five running lights in the center of the V. That was on the early morning hours. On such a craft, I later found out that this was the same in 1997. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of debriefed. My name is Chris Ramsey. And today, we're going to be going through part three of the Lucerta files.

Now, these are two different interviews that happened in Sweden by a man who remains anonymous and a female reptilian by the name of Lucerta. We've read through the first part, and we did that in two parts, and now is the second part. So technically, part three. You guys figure out the math. I'm just here to go through the documents. Things we've learned thus far from Lucerta include her anatomy, how babies are born, We learned about this interstellar war for Earth.

We learned about our genetic manipulation when they stole Simeons for thousands of years and came back and we popped up. And the reptilians went underground. I mean, there's a whole lore to this. This is, it gets crazier and crazier the more you read through it. But also, we're here to see if we can match any of the information up with stuff that is currently being talked about. You know, we might find something. We might not find something. The point is we're going to enjoy the ride.

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All right, where were we? So we left off. The last interview was allegedly in December of 1999, and then they met up a second time, which was in April of 2000. And this is that interview now. So there is quite a lengthy introduction here before we get into the Q&A. And this introduction is by Ole Kay, who's this anonymous gentleman from Sweden. So we're going to read through his introduction prior. to getting into the Q&A. Introduction. I once again reaffirm that the following text is the absolute truth and is not fiction. It was composed from three original tape recordings which were made on April 24, 2000, with a tape recorder during my second interview with a reptilian creature known as Lucerta. At Lucerta's request, the original text of 31 pages was shortened up to deal with some questions and answers. Some existing questions were partially shortened or amended. It was even undertaken to extract message and significance from it. This part of the interview, either not mentioned or not mentioned completely in the transcript,

deals primarily with personal issues, paranormal demonstrations, the social system of the reptilian species and alien technology and physics. Folks, this is going to get really interesting, I think. Also, note that this was translated, I believe, from Swedish, so there will be some grammatical corrections that would have to be made, but I'm going to read it sort of verbatim as is as it was printed. Forgive me if you were just an audio listener, by the way, you're going to have to just wade through some of these errors with me.

The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the second meeting was a possible observation and surveillance of my own person after the publication of the first transcript. Although everything was attempted on the advice of Lucerta to keep my identity a secret, just two days after the dissemination of the document abroad, various unusual events took place. Please don't think that I am paranoid. However, I believe that the publication of the interview has drawn either official attention or the attention of some organization to me. Up until this time, I usually regarded people who believed that they were being followed by

the state to be nothing more than jokers. But now I have begun to revise my ideas on that since events in January. It began with a failure of my telephone for several hours. When the phone became operational once again, there were quiet echoes and strange clicking and whirring sounds when I made calls. A defect could ostensibly not be found anywhere. Over night, important data disappeared from the hard drive in my computer. The testing program reported defective sectors were strangely enough there were only data which dealt with illustrations and completed textual material from the interview. These defective sectors also contained material of a paranormal nature in the field of my research. Fortunately, the material was also stored on floppies. In addition,

I discovered, by pure chance, some hidden data in a likewise hidden directory index. The name which appeared on the data and the directory index was E72 UJ. Okay. So this guy's, you know, running into some what he thinks is probably interference on the government's behalf or just, you know, some other people trying to keep tabs on him. Interesting that he's like, I backed it up on a floppy. You know, 2000 doesn't seem that far back, but I mean, we've come quite a long way in terms of technology. A friend who is a computer expert could not make anything of this designation. And when I was about to show it to him, the directory index had disappeared.

One evening, my apartment door was standing wide open. My TV set was running, and I am absolutely confident that I had turned the TV set off. Okay. Says he's not paranoid. Sounds paranoid. Is it justified? Maybe. A minivan with British markings and the imprint of a Europe-wide supermarket chain parked in front of

house. I noticed the same minivan again on several occasions traveling at a distance behind my car, even when I visited the town of, blank, blank, 65 kilometers away. When I returned, the car was on the other side of the street once again. I never saw anyone get into or out of the car. A knock on the door of the vehicle and on the tinted windows caused no reactions of any kind. After about two weeks, the minivan disappeared again. When I informed EF, EF being the other person involved in this dissemination of information, personally about these events, he suggested that I changed place and date of the meeting in order to assure our own and Lacerda safety. The meeting took place on April 27, 2000, in another isolated location. It was unobserved as far as I can determine. Once again,

all of this may sound strange and paranoid like a fantasy from a cheap science fiction film. However, I can only repeat to and assure the reader once again, all of this is the unadulterated truth. Believe my words or don't believe them. These things have happened and they will continue to happen, whether you believe it or not, until it is too late. Our civilization is in danger. Ola K. May 3, 2000.

Wow. All right. This character here, again, assures us that this is true. Exactly what you would do if you, you know, we're making something up, but we're going to believe it just for now and see what happens. This is the shortened version of the transcript of the interview dated April 27, 2000. Here's a comment by Ola Kay before we get started. The meeting began with an appraisal of diverse questions and opinions which I had gotten from the readers of the first transcript in anonymous. fashion through distribution for my trustworthy friends. Some of these opinions altogether, there were over 14 pages of paper, contained comments shaped by everything from a radically religious to a fanatical tendency to welcome contact with the reptilian species. Some of these comments contain stereotypical phrases like servants of hell or species of the evil one. I don't want to get into any kind of detailed description here since I don't want to pass on further

any false and radical realm of thought. Okay. So he kind of ignored those questions, I would assume. And here we go. Strap yourselves in. It's going to get weird. Question. When you read these religious and anonymously written comments here,

what do you think and feel then? Is the relationship between your species and ours really shaped from that kind of total negation? Answer. Does it amaze you that I am not completely angered by that? I had fully expected those kinds of extreme reactions. The programming for the utter negation of another species, especially the reptilian species, as in your own case,

is deeply embedded in each of your own individual consciousnesses. This ancient conditioning stems from the days of your third artificial creation, and, biologically speaking, is passed down as an information genome from general. generation to generation. The identification of my species with the powers of darkness was a primary intention of the Elohim, who liked seeing themselves in the role of the powers of light, something which in and of itself represents a paradox, since that humanoid species was extremely sensitive to your sunlight. In case you were expecting me to act offended, I guess I'll have to partially disappoint you. That's an interesting way to get started here.

here. So Lacerda, taken the high road on this conversation, does not seem to be offended or negatively affected by the comments sort of negating her existence. And she said this is, this is like pretty much what the Elohim had in place. So these beings, these humanoid beings who are like allergic to the sun, ironically, you know, also tell humans that they come from light and that the, you know, that the reptilians are the evil ones. it's really interesting because it's also, you know, who do you believe in this scenario? They're both, in my opinion, suspicious. These obscure intentions are not really your fault.

You are simply following, for the most part, what you have inherited from your ancestors. It is indeed actually somewhat disappointing that many of you develop no especially strong individual self-conscious. For this would help you to overcome the conditioning. As I already said, we were in direct contact in the last several centuries with some of your more primitive human tribes. These tribes had themselves succeeded in breaking through the old creation programming. They were able to meet us without tension, hate, and total rejection. Apparently, many of your modern civilized individuals are not in a position to think on their own, but rather let themselves be guided by programming and religion, which is also a man.

manifestation of the ancient programming and part and parcel of the plan of the Elohim. Therefore, comments of that kind, I'd sooner regard as amusing than irritating. They simply confirm, in large measure for me, my suppositions about your defined mode of thinking. All right. This whole condescension with Lucerta and the reptilian species is nothing new. You know, we are thick-skinned. We have developed quite, you know, quite a shield when it comes. to this stuff. I now take no more offense from this lizard. But she is saying that we are pretty

much all sheep. And you know what? I mean, who's who's who among us is going to be like, we're not sheep? Of course, we know we're sheep. That's the craziest part of it. Like we know, even now, more than yesterday, have our screens in our faces. There's a comedian that said this who's like, we're at a point in civilization where we're trying to figure out how many these screens we can put between us in the wall with like a TV, a laptop, a tablet, a phone, a watch, and then just augmented reality on the glasses, just how many of these screens can we, can we obey? Yeah, I don't think any of us will refute such an accusation. Question, therefore you are not the species of the evil one, as was remarked earlier.

Answer, how am I supposed to answer that? Your people still think according to a simple and completely inappropriate scheme of generalizations. Simply put, there are absolutely no purely evil species. There exists in every terrestrial and extraterrestrial species alike, both good and evil individuals. It's even true of your own people, but there is no such thing as an absolutely evil species. This conception is really very primitive. You people have believed from time immemorial what you are supposed. supposed to believe. What was foreseen for you to believe by your creators? You know, that's a really

interesting point and, you know, chalk one up for Lucerta on this one because I do believe that that is accurate. We're often a little delusional in thinking that, you know, if we visited a planet, that they would all look the same, dress the same, and obey the same God and have all the same morals and principles. But unless they were a hive mind, that wouldn't be the case. You would have internal conflict and civil war, perhaps, or just varying different opinions. But again, you know, I do think that if a civilization developed the use of telepathy instead of spoken language, individuality would cease to exist and you would probably see a lot more assimilation, sort of a lot less of this, um, confliction, you know, that humans face.

And so Lucerta is saying that this is very primitive for you guys to think that every species, you know, shares one sort of objective view of reality. I don't think that it's that primitive. I think that probably out there in the universe, there are some extraterrestrials that because of their immense capacity of telepathy, you just can't hide anything from anyone. And so you kind of have to become one, I would assume, right? Every well-known species, even the more highly developed ones, consist of a great number. of individual consciousnesses. At least a portion of the consciousness is individual, even though there are connecting fields of consciousnesses. Whoa, okay, so never mind. She just completely destroyed my theory. She says that both can exist simultaneously. Oh, that's interesting.

These self-sufficient spirits are able to decide freely for themselves a lifestyle which is either good or evil, according to your own human standards. It depends again on the respective point of you. Your people are not necessarily in a position to judge whether the deeds of a much more highly developed species are good or evil because you stand at a lower observation point from which an assessment is not possible. Your simple words, good and evil, are in any case examples of a tendency towards generalization. In my language, there are many concepts for the various shades of the meaning of individual behaviors in comparison to the norm of a society. Great point. Yeah, good and evil definitely does sort of fit it into a neat little box,

black, white, good, evil, up, down, this binary view of everything. I definitely see how that can inhibit nuance, you know, from existing. Even those extraterrestrial species which are inclined to act with antagonism towards you are not species of the evil one. Even though they operate negatively with respect to your own race, They do this for their own reasons and do not regard themselves as evil. Were your structured way of thinking more linear and more focused as theirs is, then you would also behave in such a fashion.

The attitude of a species towards other kinds of existence naturally depends very heavily on its respective structured way of thinking. Each species sets its own priorities. To classify that as good or evil is really quite primitive. For the survival of any species argues for many, varieties among them your own as well for even the most varied of the worst or negatively directed deeds. I won't even exclude my own kind in this regard, for there have been certain occurrences in the past which I don't personally welcome, but about which I would also not like to go into detail.

None of these occurrences have happened in the last 200 years of your time scale. But please note the following. There are no absolutely good and there are no absolutely bad species because each and every species always consists of individuals. Okay, point made. She did refer to, you know, some type of event that took place 200 years ago, which is interesting. Also, do I get the feeling, and this might just be me, but let me know if you also have a similar sense, but this is written more eloquently than the last one. And I don't know, this is actually, oh, I should have mentioned that before, this is translated by a different person, and that could be why.

So that explains why this one's a little easier to read than the past, you know, Lacerda parts. Question. In the letters that I got, there was often the question whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the advanced physics that you commented on last time. Your words, many people said, your words made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function? How do they fly? How do they perform the maneuvers they do? Great question. Because I also felt like in the comments there were a lot of

people that were like, no, nothing you're saying adds up. And there are a lot of smart people who watch these videos. So I'm glad that you guys are paying attention. The answer is a long one. All right. Answer. I ought to explain that to people. That's not all that simple. Let me think about it for a minute. I always have to use very simple words in order to make clear to you the basic principles of a higher kind of science. Let's try this. You have to be clear about some fundamental facts. The very first thing is that you must divide up the conception of the physical world because each existence consists of different layers.

Let's say, for simplicity's sake, that it consists of a material illusion and a sphere. of influence. Translators note here, no legitimate translation exists for this word, Feldraum. Feld means field and a realm means space or room or expanse. Therefore I'm translating it as sphere of influence. Okay, Feldraum, sphere of influence. Certain physical conditions are associated only with the realm of the material as in the concrete, while other and more complicated conditions are associated only with the sphere of influence of our material world. Your conception of the physical world is based upon a simple material illusion. That illusion is further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of matter. A fourth and very

important condition also exists, which you simply pay attention to more or less as you choose. It is the one bordering on the sphere of influence or plasma realm. For you, the third theory for a controlled transformation or an elevation of the frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth aggregate condition of matter is not very common. Or it exists at a very primitive level. As an aside, there are simply five states of matter, but the post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would only serve to confuse you. Besides, it is not necessary for an understanding of the basic theory. It is connected with diverse phenomena, which you would characterize as paranormal. Okay, we're talking ghosts here, plasma ghosts. Now, back to the

essentials. Plasma. Now, with plasma, I don't just mean hot gas, as the concept is generally simplified by your people, but rather I mean a higher aggregate condition of matter. The plasma state of matter is a special form of matter, which lies between its real existence and the sphere of influence, that is a complete loss of mass and pure accretion of energy of various form whenever matter is, quote unquote, pushed or shoved. Editor's note, no explanation was given for the word push or shoved. As used in the context, your guess is as good as mine. The fourth state of matter is very important for certain physical conditions, which can be used, for example, to how should I express this to you? generate anti-gravity. That's a rather strange human word and not really correct, but you ought to

understand it better this way. Essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no bipolar forces, but rather only observer-dependent, reflective behavior of a single large, unified force at different levels. When we talk about the quantum field here, the quantum vacuum, with anti-gravity or the displacement of gravitational characteristics into levels one can, for example, cause, apparently solid matter to levitate. This method is employed partly by us and by extraterrestrials, as well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs. You people are moving on a really primitive level

towards a similar principle of your secret military projects, but since you have more or less stolen this technology, and it was later falsely passed on to you, intentionally by extraterrestrials, you lack the real physical understanding. As a result, you have to struggle with problems of instability and radiation with your UFOs. This is really interesting because the concept of donations comes up a lot in, ever since the crashes in the 40s, there have been apparent,

and this was also mentioned by David Grush, donations from the extraterrestrials. Like they've just kind of left their craft or their technology here for us to back engineer or to use to help us sort of advance our. own technology, but there always seems to be a problem, which is why we're hearing a lot about the psionics and the importance of psionics, because the interface or the interaction with the technology requires a psychic connection, one which perhaps the extraterrestrials have more of a capability of doing. And as mentioned with the podcast in Danny Sheehan, he said there are government programs that are doing assisted psionics, which is using technology, amplifying the signal

or amplifying the psychic ability within these people, but also frying their brains at the same time. And that's kind of, you know, maybe what Lucerta is hinting to, that, you know, we don't really have any idea of what we're doing. And I was swore to secrecy when I was told about the cyanide. It's called psionic assists, that there's a technology that they've got that is amping up the capacities of individuals. to do telepathic communication. And it's very dangerous.

And it's frying out the brains of people that they're testing. Go check out that podcast with Danny Sheehan, by the way. Very interesting stuff. According to my information, there have been a great number of deaths of your people because of intense radiation and field disturbances. Don't you agree? This is also an example of the business regarding the question of good and evil.

You people play with unknown forces and thereby accept. the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying for a greater cause, namely for the advancement of your technology, which as a result is being put into place once again for the purpose of war, i.e. for negative pursuits. Now, one can give you the benefit of the doubt that only the least number of your kind have any knowledge about these alien projects, which are, as you explain it, top secret. It was told to you that the higher, the ordinal or ranking number of basic matter, the simpler the heightening of the condition, but that is only partially correct. If you can't circumvent these powers, then you're better off not attempting it.

But your kind has always been ignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play around with forces, which you have not even understood. Why would that ever change? Just a little bit of Lacerda casually talking down to us, which, you know, can't blame her. We're going to talk about the copper fusion business here. This is a topic that was brought up by a few of you who, you know, didn't really understand why copper was necessary here and how the fusion process worked with, you know, the heavy elements that you would need just an insane amount of energy to make that happen. We're going to get into that. I don't much understand it myself, but maybe you guys can help me up. You remember this business of copper fusion?

By means of the fluctuation at the right angle with the induced radiation field, copper is fused with other elements. The illusion of matter is fused. The fields in the sphere of influence overlap each other, but the main force would be reflected by that process and would assume a quasi-bipolar character. Okay. The resulting connection in the field would therefore not be stable in the normal condition of matter and unsuited for tasks. As a result, the entire field spectrum is shifted to a higher plasma-like condition whereby the spectrum comes together with this harsh shifting to the opposite pole side. The word is not correct of the force field and it resembles quite closely a gravitational shift. The shifting causes a tilting of the repulsing quasi-bipolar force, which now no longer flows

to the interior of the force field but rather flows partly to the exterior of the field. The result is an interstratifying. reflective force field which is very difficult to modulate with certain technical boundaries in relation to its own characteristics. It can also carry out a multiplicity of tasks, for example. Okay, so hold on. I don't know what to make with sort of any of this. My feeble, meager mind will not comprehend what is being told to me here, so I will be enlisting the help of chat GPT. There's some complicated math going on here or science or physics. Can you please dumb it down for me as if I was in grade seven?

About advanced technology, like those used in UFOs that can create powerful energy fields. These fields are dangerous and hard to control, leading to accidents when people experiment with them. The text also mentions a process where copper is combined with other elements using a special energy field, which changes how the material behaves, almost like using magnets, to change metal properties. Additionally, these energy fields can make objects float or become invisible, and they might even allow things to pass through solid objects under the right conditions. Finally, it suggests that what we see as reality might just be a surface illusion,

with everything being part of a much deeper and complex universe. Does that help clarify things? Unfortunately, yes, it does. Okay. So that's interesting, Because a lot of what was said there, and we'll keep reading this last little part here, but a lot of what was said there is kind of been repeated. Now, I went to the South by Southwest premiere of Age of Disclosure, and in that documentary,

Hal put off a famous physicist who's worked with the government for a long time, and Eric Davis also talked about the propulsion system in layman's terms. And it resembled a lot of what we're hearing in this text, namely the part where once you create this shift, you can travel essentially through solid objects. Now, we see transmedium crafts or we hear about them entering and exiting orbit and our atmosphere and going into water. But what that also means, if they can travel frictionlessly through water and air and atmosphere, they can also do that through solid stone or metal. And that is wildly, wildly perplexing. It can also exert a camouflage function in the realm of electromagnetic radiation, as well as manipulate temporal sequences of events. Indeed, only to very limited extent and other things as well.

Are you familiar with your quantum tunnel effect? Even the amplitude equalizations among genuine matter can be achieved with one of these kinds of fields if its frequency and the distance from the plane of the field are high enough. Unfortunately, the whole thing that I have explained to you in your words has come out to be rather primitive, I'm afraid. It sounds rather strange and certainly impossible for your comprehension, but perhaps this simple explanation can be of some use to you and helping you to understand. But then again, maybe not. Yeah. No, I still had to run it through chat, GPT, Lucerta.

You are absolutely correct. But also very convenient that you're like, I can explain this, but you'll never understand it. There's no way that I can really explain it to you for your meager minds to comprehend. You know, also a really good way to sort of get away with just talking about some BS, you know. Question, is there a scientific substantiation for paranormal powers as, for example, with your powers of thought? Before we get into this, my hypothesis is going to be the manipulation of this Feldram or this quantum field. and access to that quantum field. I think time doesn't exist there, neither does space.

And so if you have access to that, you can probably have access to essentially the Akashik records. Answer, yes. In order to explain that, one has to acknowledge the physical reality of the sphere of influence, the Feldram. I'll try to do it. Wait just a second. You are going to have to separate yourself mentally from the illusion that which you see is the true nature of the universe. It is, at best, the surface of a side. Imagine for yourself that all the matter here, you, this table, this pencil, this technical device, this paper does not really exist,

but that it is rather only the result of a field oscillation and a concentration of energy. All matter that you see, every creature, every planet, every star in this universe, has an information energy equivalent in the sphere of influence, which is located on a main field, the general level of things. Now, there is not only level one, but several. Last time I had mentioned that highly developed species which is capable of changing levels, which is something completely different from the simple bubble changing for bubbles are a part of each and every level. Do you understand? Dimensions as you call them are a part of a solitary bubble.

Bubbles or universal foam are a part of a level. levels are layers in the sphere of influence, while the sphere of influence acting in the capacity of a single physical size is essentially unending. It is composed of innumerable information energy layers and general levels. There are, in the sphere of influence, no null levels. All are the same, but they are separated by means of energy conditions. I notice that I am confusing you now. I think I ought to stop with this explanation. Thank you. Thank you, Lucerta. I appreciate this. And no, I was completely following all of that. But, you know, I understand if the other mortal minds, you know, who are paying attention might not be capping everything that you're saying. Question, no, please continue. Great. How do concrete paranormal powers arise? Okay. This is interesting, though. The bubble stuff, the late. layer stuff like the planes of existence. It is cool that not only is our reality made of physical

and non-physical, that the non-physical layers also have layers. So the non-physical realities aren't the only realities either. Like that's just such a hard concept to even comprehend when the only thing that we can barely comprehend is the physical. Well, okay, then, let's try something simpler. It is not completely correct, but let's begin in this manner. Tangible matter on this side is mirrored in the sphere of influence, the feldrum, as a field with distinct layers. These layers contain information as an example about the simple structure of matter or the string frequency, but also there is stored information stemming from the development of matter. Are you familiar with the human concept of morphogenic fields? One part of the layer could be

designated as such. Now, there is still another intermediary layer for which you, unfortunately, have no human concept, since the theory is not common in human thinking. Let's call it a para layer. For this layer is mainly responsible for everything which you call sci and paranormal, and which lies outside the boundaries of your primitive science. The perilayer lies between the layers of matter and the morphogenic layers of a field in the sphere of influence. It can actively integrate with both. Your body, for example, is mirrored as a field in the sphere of influence, the feldron. I love this idea. So what's really interesting here is that we're saying, okay, there's a mirrored reality, one which is physical sort of information among other things and one that is sort of this

non-physical interpretation of the physical, like they're mirrored. And, you know, I've had several out-of-body experiences if you haven't looked at that documentary that I did about the whole gateway process that I did. I went out of body probably half a dozen times and, you know, saw myself laying in the bed. But the room that I was in, although was my room, was slightly askew. There was There were elements in the room that appeared larger, smaller, closer, further, fuzzier, just in weirder locations. But it did seem like my room, although there were slight differences. And so even in Bob Monroe's book, he mentions that this other reality is like an 80% match to ours. So I do think that this is really interesting that we're talking about some type of like mirrored reality that isn't quite exact.

That doesn't mean that it does not also exist here as well as flesh, blood, bones in the form of matter strings or atoms. But not only that, existence is always a duality. Some layers of the field contain simple information about the solid matter of your body and its frequency, while other layers contain information about your spirit, your consciousness, or speaking from a human religious point of view, your soul. Awareness or consciousness in this case is a simple energy matrix divided into different layers of your field in the sphere of influence. Nothing more, nothing less. Genuine awareness can also exist here on the matter side, but only in the form of post-plasma, the fifth form of matter. With the necessary physical knowledge and the corresponding technology, the consciousness slash awareness matrix or soul, can also,

be separated from its field of rest. It can, despite its removal, continue to exist in a self-sufficient manner for a certain amount of time. That has the strange occult name of soul robbing. But above all, we're talking about science here, not about magic or dark forces. Okay. So here's a comment by Ola Kay. He comments on the soul robbing because it was in quotations. And he says the soul robbing was mentioned in one of the radically, in one of the radical religiously motivated comments in the connection with the reptilian species, soul robbing. But back to your question, creatures with more powerful mental powers can have a direct influence on the paralayer by means of their consciousness slash awareness fields. Now, this layer is not only limited to the individual, but rather as

a part of a general information layer. You could call it, in a prosaic sense, the community soul that is connected with all animate and inanimate matter and all consciousness which exists on this main level. Okay. So this is what I refer to as like the quantum field where, you know, information is stored and we have access to. So that is this parallel, this slyer, this sly layer that exists between the sort of metaphysical, you know, consciousness and the physical state between those is this parolayer where all information flows through and is connected to both, which is why we might have access to it through meditation, and then it can interface with both, you know, the physical and the non-physical. I really like this idea. You know, if you looked at

reality as three layers, you would have the, you know, physical, let's say the conscious realm here, this paralleler and then this like greater consciousness, this greater awareness universally. To access consciousness or that greater awareness, you couldn't do it through the physical. You would have to do it through this paralayer, which can potentially be accessed throughout of body experiences or meditation or kundalini or perhaps even, you know, psychedelics. And so there is that interface, like if you want to bring information from this consciousness, this, you know, omnipotent, omnipresent consciousness into the physical realm, you would have to do so through this paralayer, which I think is really interesting to think

about. The biological cause for these abilities lies on the side of matter. By the way, in the pituitary gland, which always in the position to generate the frequencies to actively control the sphere of influence, the Feldram, even you people could theoretically do this. However, you are solidly blocked in these things. As I've said, the pear layer can interact with the mind as well as with matter. For example, if I decide to use my mental powers once more in order to move this pencil, then simply said, I imagine in my mind how my consciousness slash awareness, expands slash amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of postplasma to the pencil. In the sphere of influence, this causes simultaneously an automatic command from the consciousness slash awareness layer to the parlayer to interact with the matter layer of the pencil. Since the perilayer is not confined to the body, it is not even a problem that the pencil lies over there, for I can unerringly reach it, even without moving my matter body. Post plasma on this side,

parallel on the other. I have control over the pencil, and the interaction brings the matter field of the pencil to the point where it changes in the manner in which it moves, for example. Here's a note, a comment by Ola Kay. I certify that the pencil mentioned above abruptly at that very moment jumped into the air of a height of 20 centimeters, then fell back to the surface of the table. The sound is clearly heard on the recording tape. No one visibly had touched that pencil. I would give anything to listen to this tape, by the way.

Let's take a break here for a second. And just think about, digest about, you know, sort of what was just said. So you need to affect the fifth solid state of the pencil, the plasma field. And what are you doing? You imagine in my mind, how my consciousness slash awareness expands and amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of

post plasma to the pencil. Okay. So my consciousness needs to expand and create this postplasma. How do you expand your consciousness and awareness? How do you amplify your consciousness and awareness on the matter side in the form of post plasma to the pencil? I'm trying. I bet all of you right now are trying to do this with the pencil on your desk. Yeah, I don't quite understand that. Maybe, you know, through deep, deep, deep, deep meditation or some type of deep, you know, relaxation process, we might be able to attempt such telekinesis. Question, that is fascinating. Which kinds of paranormal activities can one generate with that? Yeah, what superpowers do we have within us, Lacerda, please enlighten us. Answer, all kinds, everything that you call paranormal.

As I said, this special layer lies in the sphere of influence, the Felgrom, between the morphogenic information layers and the matter layers and can interact with respect to both sides. That is to say, it can be interacted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental information, wherewith we can achieve everything that is generally designated as telekinesis and to let us. Okay, so basically saying that if you have access to this parallel, you are able to do all of the telekinetic or telepathy or anything sci ability, maybe even pyrochinesis. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know.

Where do we draw the line? The connection absorption with another consciousness slash awareness is generally separate in the procedure from the simple influence of matter, since different consciousness slash awareness fields work with different oscillations. A consciousness slash awareness that sends or a consciousness slash awareness that listens must first adapt itself to the other mind exactly before any access is possible. Most species also have chances to block the alien access, but you people don't have this. The following is generally valid. The stronger the paranormal abilities of a species, the simpler the adaptation and the access. Our own abilities are not so powerfully developed. Therefore,

first we have to learn specifically alien mind influence in order to use our mimicry. For example, where mimicry is actually quite simple in your minds due to the implanting of the on-off switch, some of these abilities are also partially inherited. Mother and child, of my kind, as an example, are attuned exactly during the first months of life, partially also in the egg covering in the expectant mother and communicate telepathically. In order to influence you people, we need a certain amount of time for practicing, despite your simple structure. Can we please just get over the fact? I get how dumb and simple we are. If we're so dumb and simple, why are you even talking to us? Wild. All right, whatever. Therefore, it is forbidden, for example, for adults of my kind before the age of

enlightenment to come to the surface of the earth. That term is synonymous along with other things, with full physical strength. In the case of not fully developed abilities, the danger of discovery by you would be too great. By the way, there are, of course, numerous secret teachings about the real possibilities, which can give one these abilities, but I really don't know anything exact about that. Whenever an alien mind ought to be influenced, then there are some generally valid steps, which are set into motion by other extraterrestrial species. First and foremost, the alien oscillation must be felt, something generally that is done automatically by the brain, i.e., for the one, the field oscillation, for the other, the quasi-electric brain waves here

in the normal space, which matter and habits. That is not especially difficult. After that, one simply probes for another consciousness and awareness in the mind with a post-plasma manifestation. The sphere of influence reacts and the connection is there. Okay, not sure I understand this, but it's some type of like interfacing and oscillation, so some type of frequency-based thing where you have to match your frequency to the mind that you're trying to influence. You asked me last time whether you people had the opportunity to protect yourselves against this influence, and I told you that only an awake and concentrated mind had any kind of chance to withstand it.

In this state of mind, the oscillations change very abruptly, and access becomes complicated. More precisely, it can come as a painful recoil. Whenever you close your eyes, then the field becomes flat. An alien access to the mind is immediately possible and without restriction. In terms of your chances against a more highly developed species, you have none at all. They are able to adjust the oscillations faster than you can change. It could even demonstrate it on yourself, but you can you. you were really horrified and confused the last time. So we'll just leave it at an explanation.

Obviously, we don't stand a chance against some of these more superior beings. Our mental faculties are just too inferior. But it would be interesting to know, like, what type of mental abilities we actually have access to. Now, we've studied them with the CIA and we've seen some with the telepathy tapes. But like, how cool do we? be if our society was really encouraging to these things, much like the side games coming up. My buddy Hakeem Isler is organizing, you know, the psychic Olympics, essentially. And I think that's really cool. And if ever there was reptilians in existence, I would assume that they would be present at this side game. So we'll wait and see.

Take a lot of pictures. This explanation presumably sounds to you like, as you say, something esoteric or from the occult or magic. The reason for that is simply that you lack the basic understanding for seeing the background reasons. All paranormal phenomena have a purely scientific origination. None of this has anything to do with supernatural powers. We grow up with this kind of knowledge. We know how one makes use of these powers and where they come from. We are acquainted with theory and practice.

You are not. Therefore, you really don't understand what happens in your world. You see only one side of existence, not the other. I mean here both that are physical. Everything paranormal is dualistic, and it exists in the space that matter and habits as well as in the sphere of influence. To be explained, it can only be explained by the acceptance of the latter, because the sphere of influence is the basis. I would welcome an end to the scientific questions, since you really aren't grasping them anyway. We're wasting more or less valuable time by doing this.

And that, folks, will be the end of today's read-through of the Lacerda files. There is quite a lot to digest. I will be, by the way, real quick. I will be uploading a second reading, a final reading of the Lacerda files next week. We are not done with this. I will not postpone it any longer. We are getting it out of the way. next week we will be reading another Lucerophile, the last one.

But we've gotten through the science part, which has left me with a mild aneurysm. I do actually quite understand it, and I think this does gel with my base sort of theory of reality, as I know it, whatever that means in my, you know, meager existence. But I do think that there is something there where, like, physical, has. a mirrored non-physical and that there is a layer in between which allows the exchange of those things in a very simplistic manner that makes sense to me but I'm also a very primitive mind perhaps there is someone out there who is studying parapsychology or even quantum physics that can enlighten me to see if this at all has legs to be at the very least a sound hypothesis

That would be great. Folks, I hope you enjoyed this. This was a lot of fun. I'm kind of over the science part. I'm glad that that's out of the way. We can focus on more pressing matters like what does their poetry sound like? And does it compare to the Vogons?

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