AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - Bob Lazar & Luigi Vendittelli - IPN Live Show Portland

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

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Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know, the same way you can skip an ad? I get it. I'm Siaia and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today, I'm still figuring it out. Somehow things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll.

So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem. Ladies and gentlemen, I am very, very excited about tonight because we got a stacked, a stacked card, as they would say in the UFC. Really good undercard, solid main event. You guys have been left in the dark about who the guests are, because there are multiple guests tonight. It's a really fun show. I'm glad who all made it out. You won't regret it.

But to begin, I do want to bring some friends out here, really close friends. I'm actually some of my closest friends in this space, and they've been really welcoming, and they've been like brothers to me. One of them has a successful YouTube channel on sort of consciousness and philosophy, and the other one is a six-time U.S. memory champion. Yeah, wild. So we're going to have some really good conversations

to get us started. Ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together for none other than Michael Philip from Third Eye Drops and Nelson Delis. Grab a seat, any of those, I'm over here. Oh, let's get comfy. Don't mind the brazzers sign back there.

I'll tell you about it later. Ah, this is nice. This is nice. This feels like I'm in like my living room here. It's very comfortable. Very cozy. So in a nutshell, in a small nutshell, we'll start with Nelson. Can you, I mean, you're an inspiration to me.

I met you years ago when I was doing magic stuff, and I was like desperate to like increase my skill in magic. and I saw you on a Netflix special, and then I reached out to you because you had done these insane memory feats. Like he, this guy's memorized. He'll be humble about it, but he's memorized like 10,000 digits of pie. Like, to give you, like, a small hint on how hard that is,

just to say the numbers, it could take them up to three hours. Yeah, it's not fun. It's not fun. So strap yourselves in. Almost time we got. Yeah. Nelson, tell us about what you do.

Yeah, so my whole shtick is I learned how to memorize things. I never really had a good memory. My grandmother passed away from Alzheimer's, which was unfortunate and a whole thing our family went through. But that was what inspired me to start working on my own memory. I didn't know what that meant, but I discovered that there are memory championships and that people who compete in them train their memories. I never thought that was a thing, but I was curious and learned how to do it and took it to the endth level. Yeah, and here we are.

And you are, you won which memory championship of 2025? The most recent was 24. 24. Yeah. Okay. And then I stopped. And then you stopped. Any plans on?

Because you said you'd stop after five now and then you did it again. I don't know if you were back there when I said it, but I'm going to compete in two weeks at the 26th championship. No way. Thank you, Nelson. Yeah. And this here is Michael Phillip. Needs no introduction. Also has a great memory.

But for esoteric and deep philosophical Western esotericism and a bunch of other wonder nuggets, tell the audience, for those of you who don't know about third eyedrops, what it is you do. Oh, my God. Well, is this on? Yeah, this is on, right? Yes. A little quiet. I mean, what Chris said, I think is a pretty good introduction.

and all of that leaves into this topic of high weirdness and UFOs in a way that I love talking about and I can't really help myself from talking about it over and over again. And it's funny that you call what you do a schick because it's really like the furthest thing from a schick. Like if that's a stick, I don't know what the hell I do. Yeah, he's got an actual skill that he's developed. Like his brain is so huge. this is really fascinating this is you guys you guys you've not done each other as like you haven't been

on his podcast right but it needs to happen sure yeah definitely needs to happen um you know what's interesting there is like a correlation here while we're just like chatting away and before we get moving on but there is a correlation because like I know there's a book called moonwalking with Einstein which is a great book Josh Fowher and it's this uh yeah all right Josh Fowher's here um and there's uh there there's it's this guy's a sports journalist who learns about memory athletes and then tries to compete and takes a year to practice and then enters the national memory championship and wins it and he writes a book about it. It's amazing. But in there, he talks with the history of memory and how it goes back to like the Greeks as well, which you're very interested

in. So I thought that was like a interesting connection there. Yeah. I mean, back when I learned about that, that was the one story you'd always hear about the genesis of memory techniques. There was this tale of Simonides was in a hall and he stepped out for a moment and the whole thing came crashing down. And when they were trying to identify the bodies of the people who were around the table, he used his memory and imagined their locations. And that's kind of what the classic memory tool that we use called the memory palaces is based on. And so it goes back to the Greeks. But it goes even further back than that. I didn't know that until, you know, the last few years when I discovered that, but, you know, the Greeks use it, civilizations before that used it,

because they had to keep progressing their stories, their songlines, and it was all through memory. Yeah. Very interesting. And now we don't need it because we have phones. So, you know, throw it out. It's not going to serve you. We got AI slop. We have vibe coding. Who needs memory? Speaking of which, do you guys like this little interactive thing we got going on? It's pretty cool. Something you might not know about Nelson as well. If you follow my channel, you might, but this is actually something we all have in common. Nelson, first of all, got me.

He is the reason I started Area 52, which is very cool. We were talking about remote viewing and how. So he was, it's a very strange story, but somebody reached out to him on a Facebook group that he was on, a memory group. And it was like this guy recruiting people for like some hedge people. fund who wanted to train people to remove you the stock market memory athletes specifically and so instantly i was like whoa like that's so compelling you know you're putting money you're putting an actual number on this thing that i thought was not real and um and they taught him and he did fairly well he had some like incredible hits and then he taught me and i got so fascinated that

i documented my journey and i was going to post it on like my magic channel and i was like this isn't for them This is, they're not going to like it, you know, and they're not going to understand. They're not going to go deep enough. They're not going to go into the research. And so I started Area 52 and like, so you're directly responsible for the channel. So thank you. Thank you, Nelson. And that was a huge catalyst for me too, because who's been watching Area 52 since the beginning, by the way?

Yeah. Those, I want Chris to bring back those early investigations because I absolutely loved watching these two go down that rabbit hole of remote viewing. And that's actually what led me to reach out to Chris and ask him to come on my show. And then that led to me going to Monroe Institute and both of us sort of having out of body experiences and you having out of body experiences. So yeah, there's some interesting overlap. Yeah, there's like an interesting energy here that brought us all together. And I'm very happy that we did make it here. Speaking of which, there is another interesting energy that we've attracted, and that's all of you. And I've asked you in an evening.

email to, you know, provide me with perhaps an experience that some of you have been through and a lot of you came through. A ton of submissions. So I want to thank you, first of all, for all of that. That's incredibly, I mean, it's not lost on me that, like, it takes a lot to, like, share that and volunteer yourself, you know, to be, to be a guest on this show. And I believe somebody who we chose is here tonight. I'm looking, yep.

And what's the gentleman's name, Yoni? or christius salvator that's right salvator is here tonight sorry i forgot the name there's uh i read through i think 30 submissions like literally some of you some of you wrote me a whole chapter uh but very compelling you know nonetheless i'd interview all of you

so thank you so much for everybody just actually putting yourselves out there but i would love to bring out our guests a local from oregon that has a story to tell let's give it up for salvador Keep it going for Salvatore, everybody. You prefer Salvador or Salvatore? Am I saying it wrong? Salvatore or just Sal. Or just Sal.

I like Sal. Salvatore, Sal, Sal. Sal, you had a really compelling story. You actually have a lot of history with the phenomenon, it seems like. And I want to get into everything, but, you know, obviously might have to be a separate episode. Understandable. Yes. would like you, there's a story right at the top

that you told, and I would love if you could share that with the audience tonight? Yes, it was September 30th, 2020, driving on Route 99 between Eugene, Oregon and McMinville, Oregon, where I live.

Shut up, McMinville. Tulane Highway. We had just got done doing a full moon ritual with some friends. And... What? You don't gloss over there. The hell does that mean?

Like, what is this? I just said, like, did you turn into a werewolf? I don't know what that means. What is a full-man ritual if you don't mind? For me, it's goddess-orientated. And I have a minimum of 15 years of Western esoteric magic behind me. Amazing. And at least five years of shocked autotone.

contra behind me. Wow. Which I had no choice to go towards because as you discover what you're supposed to do on this planet, that's what you should do. Incredible. Very cool. I'm not sure what the ritual is, but yeah, let's move on. So we're driving north on 99.99, it's called.

And I noticed at a certain point there is a vehicle. tailing me extremely hard with one headlight. And, you know, I'm, I always have a mantra on my mind while I drive, though it's a dangerous thing to do because driving is not the time to go into any kind of a trance state or anything like that. You know, you need to focus on the road. But it's just a, It's a mindful practice to always stay present. And I bring that up because that's my life. You know, that's what I do. But anyhow, I'm driving my wife Natalie, who is here next to me to my right in the passenger seat.

It's dark out, close to midnight between 11 and 12. And to the right, out of nowhere, there's a vehicle behind me, like tailing me really hard. And just when I get to the point where I'm like, man, something doesn't seem right. Like, does this person want to kill us? Yeah. All of a sudden, an extremely bright green with a tiny bit of purple, but predominantly green, what looked like a comet, exploded, very low to the ground just to our right. and I've seen multiple per se the meteor showers. Yeah, the per seetes.

Yeah, like the meteors. This is not like that. This is big, close. It should have hit the ground. It lit everything up, like the whole inside of the vehicle. And what appeared from it, instead of smashing into the ground, was a silver, classic-shaped flying saucer, which somewhat looked like that, but more seamless.

Wow. More perfect. And it had all white lights flashing around it. I'm not good with noticing heights, like 100 feet, 300 feet. But if I had the guess, I'd say 100's too low, 400's too high, maybe a couple hundred feet to start. just to our right the whole situation lasted about a minute

which that's a long time that's a very long time yeah and I don't think it left our view till we just couldn't see it anymore because you know it's it's very pastoral that drive but you get pockets of trees a lot of farmland and it

slowly hovered towards our right away from us, starting very close to our right side. And, man, you know, as soon as that happened also, I noticed that that vehicle was not behind me anymore. And that was very strange to me, you know, like what happened to the vehicle? And that was a single light behind you, right?

A single light. Yeah. That, that, and it was like a car from the 1980s. I don't know what. Interesting. You know. So the disc is in this clearing as you're moving past like these farmland, these trees.

It's a silver disk. What time of day is it again? It's between 11 and 12 at night. Okay. So it's pretty dark, but you're seeing it illuminated because of the lights that are on it? Because of the white flashing lights that are flashing in a circular, all around it. Oh, wow. You know, and it was to be more, I mean, I have pinpoint location.

I can point to you on a map where this happened. And, you know, it was on Route 99, just past Monroe, Oregon, which is a town of a few hundred people. Yeah. Wow. I mean, give it up for Sal here. That's an amazing sighting. What did you do in that moment? did you feel like I need to pull over, I need to keep going?

Were you like, what was that? Like, what was the reaction and what happened after that? There was definitely an adrenaline spike when it happened. I mean, I don't care how much meditation you do. You know, this was very nuts and bolts on the ground, and I'm driving, you know. I don't care how many astral experiences you have, conscious outside. of the body, you're driving. You've got to be focused.

And I think that's what was, out of all the amazing experiences I've had outside of being right here in the body, this was just so amazing. And my wife didn't want to talk about it at first. You know, she was just like, I need to process this, you know. And I said, look, we've got to talk about it, you know. And I mean, the conversations have not ceased in our small household. I bet. Is she here with tonight?

She is. Oh, nice. Yeah. Good job. Shout out to the plus ones, by the way. Great time to call out the plus ones. Thank you. Plus two's.

Everybody joining who's been dragged here against their will. So we appreciate you. We really do. And, you know, just to spend all the things that you have. in your mind the preconceived notions, hang out with us in this weird little, you know, space. Thank you. But yeah, that's really, that's really remarkable. But Michael, do you have a question? Yeah. Well, two things come to mind for me right away is despite the fact that it was nuts and bolts, do you think the fact that you were doing this ritual or the fact that it was a full moon could

have something to do with it? Like it makes me think of like, you know, John Keel talking about window areas or there being like these times where the veil is thinner where things may be able to like poke through or something. Did you get that kind of a sense? Absolutely because yeah, there's no doubt about it that, you know, and you know, I was kind of when I told this story to move on when they interviewed me. Oh, you reported this? I did. Absolutely. Very cool. Okay. It took a little courage, you know, like it took me a little time to do that. But it's like I couldn't get through the interview without bringing up my spiritual work because I spend a lot of time in the temple space, you know, I sacrifice fun times for that, but the temple space becomes fun times, even though

it seems boring. But there's just no doubt about it. And I've had prior experiences, you know, that that kind of prove that and I mean I could literally talk all day if I get too much into that but the short answer is definitely yes so the the moon has something to do with thinning the veil is that well I mean that's kind of just like common lore right that like when it's a full moon there's like sort of a yes that the moon but also do you do you only do ritual during the full moon no no no do you do you do ritual do you sit there as boring as it is and do it do it it when you don't feel like it, how much energy and time do you put into it? And these things do thin the veil. So it's like you can't stop these practices, you know. The building of the astral

body and learning what that is is only the beginning. You can't stop, you know. It has to go on. Before, was there anything leading up before that big event? Was there any small things that evening that were like off or different? Well, as I've slightly alluded to or somewhat alluded to, it's like, yes, because it's part of my life to do these practices, and it's led to experiencing that the reality is more than just us sitting here with these physical objects right now. But that phenomenon with the UFO is the last thing I expected to come.

come out of this, you know? I mean... Yeah. You're expecting something perhaps non-physical to interact with you or something maybe a little more subtle, uh, synchronicity or something, perhaps not a physical nuts and bolts silver disc. That's pretty, I mean, that's yeah. But it has to, I agree. I think, you know, it would be all too strange for it not to be related. Do you know what I mean? It makes more sense in this case that it is related. I would, I would think. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask, you know, has been three years, right, since that happened? Afterwards, were there any other notable,

kind of somewhat seemingly relatable events that happened, maybe after? It's a residual effect. I don't... Absolutely. And without even getting into that second incident, just on that drive, for one, there have been more than one experience of us both seeing simultaneously

white or green orbs vertically, shooting out of the sky straight down, and they would disappear behind trees. Also, well, maybe this is getting a little too far on the weeds here, but... I mean... We're in the right spot. These are the weeds people. We are the...

We are people of the weed. Both in perhaps metaphorical and, you know, literal sense. It's just Portland. All right. There was an evening at home after a night of ritual and offerings in my own home temple space that I then laid down and continued with my mantra work. And a lot of things that happened for me, astrali, are between the point of wake and sleep. A lot of other people, it's after that four or five hours where you hit the REM cycle.

for me it's that point between wake and sleep. And I'm doing my mantra, which is Sanskrit, feminine Sanskrit beja words, basically. I won't say what they are. I won't understand it. So it's all good. I don't speak Sanskrit. But yeah, go ahead.

And I become conscious and then in between space and I'm seeing through my ceiling. And I knew I was seeing through the ceiling of my bedroom because there was about one third of the ceiling to my left, left. So I wasn't hovering outside of the roof. I was still, like, level with my bed, my consciousness. And I look up in the sky and I see what looks like a white star. It's dark, right?

And I say to myself in this state of lucidity, right, oh, it's a star. as soon as I said that, it moved and came closer to me and got bigger. And then just to the left of it, one of those white orbs shot down right next to it. So that brought a lot together. That was a moment of bringing my spiritual work together with this phenomenon. Right. What you had seen with your eyes in the objective physical realm,

you had now also had some non-physical confirmation of what that was. Exactly. Very cool. So do you believe that that thing that went down in the in the in the physical projection of it was some type of spiritual or non-physical thing sort of bleeding into this reality? Is that fair to say? It is. It's exactly what I'm getting it. And what do you think that is? Well, it's definitely intelligent. I can't say exactly what it is. I could speak with a little bit more certainty of my actual. actual spiritual work than this, but even though it's bleeding into that, it's intelligent, likely much more intelligent than I am. Yeah. That's for sure.

Yeah. Incredible. You're very fascinating person, Salvador. I give it up for this guy. I mean, yeah. I'm very interested in everything you're saying. You have obviously so much to share. Do you have somewhere where people,

could contact you if they wanted to or if they wanted to know more about your practices. Is that something you share or is that something you keep close to the chest? Like, I don't have any like channels to reach me. Yeah, okay. But I do have a lot of experience with cabala and archangelic planetary magic. That was my Western practice. If you had to direct someone like me who's a complete like layman muggle in this world. I'm very, like, I barely dip my toes into any of that. You've probably gone a lot deeper, you know, obviously, on a lot of this than I have. Where would you direct me to start learning about this?

Like, where would I go? Well, that's a big question. That's why I ask. There's so many books to read. Like, you know, and I don't have a classical education. Like, I spent years, like, I would break up my sleep and read these books. books and do ritual and I'd like wake up I'd sleep at three hours and and um there's a lot of books you know Francis Barrett the mages the mages um uh the Heptomeron was with the the you know the first

three books of a cult philosophy the fourth book is the one that the Heptomerons in but there's just so much like you need to build a library I actually still read physical books, not... Yeah, same. Physical audio books. No, yeah, no, I love reading, too, yeah. It has to be a passion. It has to be something you truly want to need to know that there's more to this planet

than what they're trying to get us to believe it is. I think you're on to something, Sal. ladies and gentlemen please a warm round of applause for this very brave man awesome story thank you so much can I give you hug sir thank you man

give it up for sale guys come on wow wow look at us starting off with all the layups all the easy stuff right easing into it no flying saucers

I mean this was two thousand twenty three I think you said or two yeah flying that's why he's here that's why we brought him

what's the 800th number of pie all right sorry um seven they're not going to look it up is it though one or ten chance yeah yeah one in ten

no but like it is wild because you don't hear very much about flying saucers you know, in the 2020s and on. And so I'm very happy to know that they're still here. That's like that sustains me. What do you guys make of this? I wonder why I never have those experiences.

Yeah. I would love to have that experience. But you've had like astral experiences. Yes. But not a nuts and bolt thing. Like that as a kid I always grew up wanted to see the craft of craft of something, you know. I've definitely seen some. you know, questionable shapes and lights and stuff.

But yeah. Yeah. There was somebody who said this. It was on one of these recent shows that we did. I forget who it was, but it was like if you're not sure that it's a UFO, then it's probably not a UFO. And I tend to side with that, right?

Because if I see a light doing a movement and it's like a triangle or something, it's like, yeah, I don't know what that is. can tell you what it's not, but I don't know all the variables. And so I'm always, there's always a part of me that's like, ah, I just, my mind can't go to that's definitively an alien or whatever. But a flying saucer is one of those things where I'd be like, yeah, that's it. That's it. That's the one. That's undeniable.

But you had a triangle go over your house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But again, you know, military. There's like, you know what I mean? I have a sneaking feeling, and maybe not all of them, you know, because there are, you know, Bashar, Darylanka, I interviewed him in Los Angeles a few nights ago, and his encounters in 73, of which there was two, was the same triangular craft, witnessed by multiple people with like the lights on the ends and the one in the middle. And, you know, part of me thinks that like in five, ten years from now, or maybe 20, 27 or whatever, like, government's going to say, that was us.

And it's going to like kind of negate everybody's sighting, even though maybe some of those triangles are not the government. But I feel like that's what's going to have. It's kind of like this stealth bomber. Like, you know, there was like legend of like this, you know, anomalous undetectable craft. But yeah. You know what that makes me think of like the closest link? Has anyone read Secret Machines, the first book, the God's book? That's one of the ones Levenda did.

And there's a whole chapter in that book about the relationship between like Western esoteric magic and the flying song. And he makes a direct, you know, correspondence between like the magic circle and the flying saucer. And I'm going to get parts of this rap wrong, but it's something to the effect of like maybe the flying saucer is some kind of manifestation of the magic circle, whether it's like someone doing rituals in our dimension or someone in a different dimension doing rituals that they're like someone in the car doing a ritual. Yeah, yeah, right. Like, yeah, exactly. So I mean, you know, you see like the 2D versions of these magic. circles in these grimwars like the haptameron or like lesser key of solomon or like whatever and it's kind of like the idea of you know you're you're within that space when you're doing this ritual and that's like keeping you protected with like angelic names and secret names of god and stuff like that but maybe it's also like projecting something somewhere else and it's manifesting some kind of saucery manifestation i don't know

yeah you would think the one thing that sure is i don't know Yeah, but you would think they'd look more Gothic in that case, I feel like it would be less mid-century modern. That is true. They look very, like, Swedish design, like these things or something. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, like Scandinavian UFOs or... Like, I mean, this sports model, you know what I mean? Like, this thing was a...

Like, when I first saw that craft, like, even like the Billy Meyer photos, it's like, it's a beautiful vehicle. like it's a like objectively it's a beautiful design like this is like the Lamborghini this is like the classic car of UFOs you know so whoever if it was them that designed it there is

there is design they have culture unless it's completely based on just geometrics and I'm wrong and then that's why it's appealing to me I don't know it's timeless too right like you know it was the same pictures that we have from the early 40s and 50s?

Yep. The same. Like it still feels like futuristic. It does. Yeah. From somewhere else, you know? Yeah, it does. Still has that Jetsons vibe to it.

Yeah. I always, a side note, I always, um, I hated the way that in the Jetsons, they had like, they had a remote that did everything. I just had one red button on it. And like, that was the future I wanted. And now I have a remote with. 300 buttons on it. And I have like a 20-page leaflet on what my remote does and it opens up a menu with 400 other buttons on it.

I'm like, this is not what we were promised. No, it was not what we signed up for. We want the metal button with a little antenna, you know, the little red button and you just does everything. It washes you. All right. Anyway, so I digress. I was going to ask Michael. Have you ever had an experience in the sky?

Not like that. You know, and oddly enough, the one, the closest thing I've had to a UFO experience, it's not that exciting of a story. So I'll tell it in like the shortest version. It's that light that I saw above Monroe Institute that I think I told you about. Like, and it's so weird that it happened there. But within probably 15 minutes of getting to Monroe Institute, for anyone that's seen pictures or has been there, there's like this big rose quartz. And people are just kind of attracted to this rose courts because it's a big novel thing. and you know it's supposed to have these great properties to it, so you want to be close to it. So long story short, me and two other participants are standing out there.

We had just met, and we all see this, like, just a light in the sky that sort of looks like a star or something, but it's the middle of the day. But then it goes away, and then it reappears, like, a little bit further, like in a different direction, but it's clearly the same thing. And this just happened, like, three or four times, and I actually did film it, but it just, it doesn't look like that much on your phone. But yeah, that was strange. That's like the one thing I've seen that I truly don't know what it was and I can't explain

what it was. But it just was really like a light that was behaving strange and like disappearing and reappearing. Yeah. And, you know, the thing that strikes me about those particular sightings because I've had a few of those as well is what makes them so special is the timing. You know, if I'm just out there, you know, seeing something in my car and I was like, oh, that's a weird light or whatever.

That's one thing. But when you're actively like, like you said, you're near, this crystal, Monroe, there's a certain energy. You know, after last year, it was like a few weeks after my father passed. And I was with my, I was with my brother, my younger brother. And I was going home at the time he was living beside me. We pull up in our driveway at the same time. We get out.

And I say, hey, what were you doing? He goes, I was just going through dad's stuff, you know? We were like going through his, you know, old stuff. And I was like, oh, cool. And as I'm talking to him, I see a flash behind his, like, his head. And I go, dude, I just saw, like, something in the sky flash. and both of us walk into the middle of the street where we get like a better view of the sky and we're just kind of standing there sort of reminiscing and I literally and like I haven't shared this and I filmed this video it's wild to me and I go you know hey dad if you're there show us something and I'm not kidding this light just appears on the horizon and it starts getting bigger but it looks like it's coming towards us and it's like lower than like a satellite or a plane it's much bigger and I'm like scared. And I turn to my brother, I'm like, you see it. My brother's very skeptical of this stuff.

And he's like, oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And I'm like, yeah. And I pull my phone out. And he's like, yeah, good thinking, good thinking. He didn't even think to get his phone. And I'm like, I'm going to get my phone. And I start filming this. And it's like kind of, it's big. It's a big light. And then all of a sudden it starts going up and then it kind of fizzles out. And we were both there. My brother to this day would be like, dude, I don't believe in this. stuff, but that was real. Like, that was real. He does, but I don't know what that is. But again, on video, you see a light that gets brighter and it goes up, but it's like, okay. Do you know what I mean? It's like unimpressive, but it's the timing of like asking for it. I was in a very like

emotional state. So it was he and like it happened then. So it like amplified it for me. But yeah, it's on video. You're like, what is that? You know, that's kind of how it is. Um, I think it's time we bring out our first guest for the night. You guys don't know who we got here. Our, no, our guest here tonight is our guest here tonight is someone who is become a very dear friend of mine. He's an amazing person. He's very knowledgeable. I had him on the podcast recently.

and he is a creative person. He's a director. He's someone who works very closely with Bob Lazar. This is my good friend, director of S4, the Bob Lazar story. Luigi Vennatelli. Guys, give it up. Have a seat, Luigi. Very, very happy to have you here, Luigi.

Thank you for having me. What's so, it's so funny, so funny with Luigi because, you know, we've been friends for a few years now. We live actually like 40 minutes away, and so we're always hanging out and, you know, talking to each other, calling each other. And when I asked you to come on the podcast,

you've been on before and I've interviewed you before and we talked about, you know, all sorts of stuff, Bob and whatever. But you, I knew you had a story. Yeah. That no one else knew about it. out. Yeah. And I was like, unless you're drinking wine with him at contact of the death. That's right. You heard the story too. Yes, I did. That's right. I remember that.

The closer. Did you, you, you heard it too, didn't you? No. No, no. On the podcast. Yeah. I've heard pieces of it. Yeah. I'm not in full until then. It's one of those things where like, when he started telling me this, we were there for like five hours going through this like story. And I was like, this is blowing. It's like the Da Vinci coat. Yeah. Yeah. So you're going to go ahead and tell a story.

No. No, no. What was that response like for you? Yeah. That's what we talked about. I didn't know we were going to talk about that when you invited me on the show. So I went on the podcast. We were supposed to have a conversation.

The film was just out. Yeah. The Bob Lazard film was just out. So I'm like, okay, we're going to talk about that. And you cut it off pretty fast. He said, all right, enough about Bob. I want to talk about what you've been in. So I was like, all right, you know, done a lot of stuff.

And then you mentioned, you know, would you be willing to talk about the story with Sarah and Lily and all that? And I thought, okay. And never did I expect the response in my entire, I think it's like, 38 years involved in this and, you know, finally talking about this in cool environments for like maybe what, like four years or whatever, the amount of messages and people reaching out was the biggest. It far surpassed the Babazar film people reaching out to me. This was like on another level. So I called Chris and I was like, dude, this is just insane. So that story hit a nerve.

It definitely did. How many of you watched the podcast with the Ouija? Grab applause. It's really hard to abbreviate the story. And I know there are a lot of plus ones that are like, what is this story? Jeez, I don't even. Abraviate that? It's so hard.

But go ahead. I want it. Yeah, yeah. So you guys are here until like midnight, right? So, yeah, we could do that. So, yeah, it's the craziest story. Yeah, so essentially, I mean, in a very, very tight in nutshell, yep. I don't know.

For those of you, actually, I do want to say something. For those of you who watched it, I made a mistake during that podcast, and I mentioned something about a cat. some cat energy a lot of people wrote about that you know and they were and people were like what about the cat energy and i i forgot to finish my sentence when we were doing that and a lot of comments were like what about the cat so i just want to talk about the cat for a second so that sure puts that to rest yeah also guys if you haven't noticed you can participate with emojis like we're encouraging your phones and stuff so you you haven't i didn't mention this before and i'm sorry but like if you feel like you want to like partake, throw up some emojis.

There you go, look. Oh, that's cool. There's something you don't believe in. Throw up a red flag. Show up a red flag. Do whatever you want. All right. That's cool.

Yeah. I can see them there. So for all of you know the story, there was a girl named Sarah that was in Montreal, and she was in my house, and she said, there's an energy of a cat in the house. And I said, I don't have a cat, never had a cat. I was allergic to cats.

And I was like, no, there was no cat. So I forgot to finish this, but after Sarah left Montreal and went back to Great Britain, the day after was Halloween. So I was in Montreal and I was driving back home and I get to my house and there's a cat at my door. And this never happened before. I've been living there all my life and never happened before. And I was like, that's weird. And it's a white cat with some black spots, and it's clawing at my door. And I thought, I wasn't thinking about Sarah.

I was just like, what's the cat? You know, so I'm like, okay, you know, move the cat. Tried to get into my house. The cat would run and try to get into the house. And I'm like, no. So I moved the cat, try to open the door real fast. The cat really would want to, like, go into the house. So I'm like, no, so I grabbed the cat, put it further away.

I'm like, stay. I opened the door. and the cat ran, so I'm like, all right, so I open the door and let the cat in. Now, there's a cat in my house. Now, I'm not thinking about Sarah. And the cat's, you know, going around the house everywhere, figuring out what this house is. And I'm like, a freaking cat in my house now. And what do I do?

And I'm allergic to cats. So I was like, I can't have the cat a lot. You know, I love cats, by the way. They're my favorite animal, but I'm allergic to them. So it had a collar and I had a little, you know, something. and there's something really funny about this because my friend Lisa, who is part of this story as well, nicknamed me something many years back.

I think you remember this. Buchu. Yeah. In French Canadian, this is going to sound really crazy, but in French Canadian, it means cabbage patch doll. Okay? Now I see it. And the reason why she nicknamed me Buchu is because she's,

6.3 and I'm 3 foot 6. So, so she calls me Buchu. Now the way, Lisa, if you remember in the story, we put up a picture of her as well. Right. And there's a whole background

with her. There's a whole story. She's 6.3. Insane. Yeah. Stunning. Looks like exactly like the Nordic, you know, type. And also has a wild story. Very, very wild story.

that maybe we'll get into one day. Yeah, that's another story. Yeah. And so I grabbed the cat and I wanted to read the caller and it said, Buchu on the caller. And I'm like, what are the chances of that? So I call, there's a phone number. I call, it's a lady that was living a few blocks from my house.

And I call her and she says, oh my God, my cat never ran away. This is the first time. I can't believe you found it. Please, can you bring it back? She's an older woman. I said, absolutely. I found, I can't remember what I found, but I put the cat, and I brought her, bought the cat back, and I got back home, and I thought, that was weird.

And it hit me when I went back home. I'm like, wait a minute. That's what Sarah said. There was a cat in my house. It was a cat energy. And I found that just weird, because it's like, why would she have said there's an energy of a cat in this house when there was never a cat. That was the first cat that ever came into my house.

That was just weird. Yeah. So. Very, another. Another weird part of that story. Now, does it mean anything? Yeah. We don't know.

It's probably nothing. You know, it's probably nothing. I'll see myself out. Sorry. That's a crazy synchronicity. I mean, it's wild. And the fact that the cat's name was Bucchu. It's like that's that time?

Yeah. It was weird. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Synchronicities are, are. For me, I mean, they're a wonderful way of sort of living your life, I found. And I think that's something that we all have in common, probably a lot of you that are here as well.

It's like there's the dichotomy of what a coincidence is on the logical side and what a synchronicity is. And the beauty of it is there is a duality in this comparison because the coincidence, like the synchronicity is by definition of coincidence, right? That's what it is. You're like, oh, it's coincidence. That is the definition of a coincidence. But you can live your life thinking that everything's a coincidence, or you could live your life looking at it as a synchronicity, so a coincidence, but with meaning.

And what I've found is that if you decide to live this more magical existence, then more magical things seem to happen. And that's just been true for me. Yeah. And it's been fun to practice. I want to go over. to Nelson actually because Nelson you have a wild uh relationship with synchronicity as well yeah uh it's it's really ramped up in the last few years since kind of connecting with you and this world a little

more um i just find dimes everywhere specifically i know my brother's in the crowd and he's the most skeptical person of of this kind of thing so he's like oh anybody can find a dime but but i haven't found a dime. Okay. I don't know what you're talking about. You've told me this before and I'm like maybe once in my light, I don't remember finding a dime. Right.

You have a jar this high. Yeah. That's like filled with dimes. And when I started noticing them more, which was after my retreat at Monroe two years ago or so, I was getting a lot of finding a lot of them. And it was the timing that made it even crazier each time I'd find one. It wasn't just like, oh, there's one. It was like, there's one when I was kind of thinking about one.

or asking for one or looking for an answer to a question. And there was in front of me at the moment after I mentally said that to myself. And I realized also that in my life, I've always found them. I just kind of said, oh, yeah, I find dimes and it's a good omen. But I realized, like, they've always been in my life. I remember my brother's too young for this, but when I lived in France, we grew up in Europe traveling around, we lived in a house outside of Paris. and I remember in the ground,

I was just playing in the dirt, and I found an old dime. It must have been from like 1910 or something. And I was, well, that's cool. But like, now that I think about it,

what the heck is a dime doing in France in my yard, right? So it's, was it by chance one of those old dimes that has like the wing-headed? No. Okay. It just says one dime on the, front.

I think it says. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's just, or it says, uh, it's just, I think it just says 10 cents on,

on the front or so. It's one of the old, old ones. I keep it in a box in my parents' house, but, yeah, good.

I was going to say this, this, it's actually synchronous that you bring this up. Because as any, any Robert Anton Wilson fans in the crowd, um, he, in one of his books,

it might be Prometheus Rising. I'm not sure. But he, he's one of these like very, you know, mercurial, esoteric authors who's, you know, he's having UFO experiences and thinking he might be in contact with some intelligence from serious, but he's also very logical and agnostic about it all and

is willing to go through all the different possibilities. But one of the thought experiments in one of his books is to try to manifest quarters on the ground. And basically one of the, he encourages you to say, try it where you're manifesting it, or, synchronously discovering them and now try it where you're just convinced it's only your own attention. So he's not telling you which one it is, but he's encouraging you to play with these different modalities and ways of, you know, experiencing things. And one of them happens to be that, like finding coins in the ground. Yeah. Very cool. And Nelson also, you know, he's got a physics background as well. And he's a very, you know, I think by the very nature, you're, are a skeptical person.

I'm not skeptic, but like you look at things and try to rationalize them. But when you find them. What do you do with them? Well, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, if I was happening that day, if I, if I was heads or tails, I also keep track of how I, interact or find other coins, right? Because I'm not just blind to the dime. Sometimes I find a penny like anyone might, right? People find, yes, too, yeah. And I do find pennies. I do find quarters. I do find nickels, but statistically, it's always more predominantly dimes. overwhelmingly so and more heads or tails that's one thing i've been keeping track of more and it's mostly tails by how much um i'd have to look at that i'm still collecting data but i'd say probably

like 80 percent yeah yeah yeah like what yeah wow but but it drives me wild because then i find one heads and i'm like what do wait what does that mean like is tails good i'm still i'm trying to figure that out trying to map it to what outcomes are happening you know is it's it's I think Tails is a good. I mean, I think they're all kind of basically a wink to me from whatever it is that I'm on the right path. Right? Well, it's like the alchemist. Yeah.

Right? He had these in the book by Apollo Coella, like the, he had the stones that he would just ask like that one time. Right. This question, right? And it was like yes or no. And that was kind of like heads or tails. And what about the years? You log those as well?

I do log the years. I haven't really noticed a pattern yet. but, you know, I've had ones that go all the way back to early 1900s. I have ones that I just got one the other day. It's like the new minted ones from 2026. They look brand new. They're amazing. I'm really excited about that.

I know. That blows my mind because I don't find dimes. And I have, if you look at our chat history. Oh, yeah. It's like, after a while, I was like, cool. He sends me, I have 30 photos of dimes of just like, ooh, another one. And it's just him pointing. to a dime and he's like oh man I was just at the racetrack today and I remote viewed um the color

pink and so I bet on the pink horse and I usually put five bucks but I found a dime and so I put 50 I won 1,500 dollars yeah this is the the belmont stakes was being held as one of the big races of the year I live in saratoga springs and we have a little racetrack but they were holding it there that year and I found a dime on the way to make a bet and I do it a week remote viewing thing for horse racing specifically, but I don't really bet on it. It's just to gather data and, you know, see how I'm performing. But this, I'm at the track, it's a Belmont Stakes, it's a big race. I was like, okay. And I go over to the cashier. You know, it's old time. You put the cash over. You say what you want. Who's going to win? You do the trifecta,

the box, whatever. I don't really understand all that stuff. I just, and I don't even understand horse racing. I just see a color, and I put my money on it as the winner. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I've got pretty good results. But this one, I knew. I knew that Black was going to win. And I was thinking to myself, like, what, what? I usually put like, 10 bucks. You know, I'm not a big gambler.

But I was like, I know that this horse is going to win. I should put a lot. But, you know, you temper your, your expectations. And you're like, no, I should be responsible. I don't want to put all my money. So I put 50, right? It was huge. But it's a weird feeling knowing something's going to happen.

And that dime was the thing that kind of like, let me know. And the race was insane. If you want to look back, it was 2024, the Belmont Stakes, this horse, nobody was saying its name for a winner. And it was last place, last place, last place, and just earned its way up, won by the tip of its nose, a doorknock. And I remember being like, yes, pin drop. Nobody ever, all of, everybody was like, who that's door knock? Except for the owners, they were happy. Yeah, I got, it was like, I won like, $1,200 bucks. It was a weird feeling. Imagine if you were a gambler.

Dude. Think about how much money you lost that day, dude. That's a fascinating story. That's incredible. If I can, I have something about synchronicities that happened to me. When I was a kid, my grandfather, used to work in a flower market. And you always used to take a red carnation. He would cut it and he would put it over his left.

ear. That was his trademark. I grew up, my grandfather, always having a red carnation cut short over his left here. So that was like, as a kid, I knew he would have a flower. When he died, I was named after him. So when he died, I started finding cut red carnations in the street. So I have them in a box. They're all in a box. And at a certain point, I moved to China. I lived in China for a while. And it was my birthday. I was in southern Canton province, and we were in a different city, and I was staying in this apartment hotel type of place, and I was on the 17th floor. Nobody was staying on the 17th floor. It was just me.

It was a really nice place, and so my business partner was there. He brought his family and his girlfriend's families because it was my birthday. And the door, somebody knocked on the door, and I opened the door, and it was his girlfriend with a small red carnation in her hand. And I'm looking at her, and it was Tracy. I said, Tracy, where'd you get that? She goes, right here in front of the door. I'm like, what?

There was no flowers in the building. I went, I made it a thing to go, like, where are the flowers? Like, I go, there's no way. And I went down in the lobby. There was no flowers. How did that red carnation get there? Wow. And to close off the whole.

you know, synchronicity, years later, my father passed away. And on the day of his funeral, it was a monster snowstorm in Montreal. I mean, mega snowstorm, okay? And everybody was in the funeral home. At the end, everybody left. And I'm, I've got these bags. I had a bunch of stuff. It was the wake. I bought a bunch of stuff. And I'm walking away. Everybody went to this exit to the right of the funeral home. I, for some reason, I have no clue why I did this, I decided to take the long way out of the funeral home. I don't know why. I don't know why. And I was carrying stuff. So it was like no logic to what I did. I just did it because I felt like not going where everybody was going. And I went to another door. I was the only guy there. And one of the guys

working there saw me carrying all these bags. So he just opened the door for me. And as I walk out, the parking lot, because all the cars were on the other side, so the parking lot was a perfect white, there was no cars that driven, so it was like perfect white snow. And right far right in the center, I see this red little thing. I swear, I walked all the way there, and it was a little red carnation on the snow. May God strike me that, I saw that. I still have it. And it's like, what does that mean? right? Like crazy synchronistic. Thank you.

That is the most, that is the very definition of a synchronicity. Like that's what I mean. You can say coincidence, but like this clearly has a very deep meaning. And Michael's going to explain exactly. Well, in a way,

this is like, even though it's an unanswerable question, it's also like the most softball question because this is something I've done like multiple videos on, something I've deep dove on of like in terms of what it could mean, what the confirmation bias aspects of it are, what the history of the idea is. And of course, I think this is a super old idea that's gone by many names, right? But it's in a modern sense, it's coined by Carl Jung,

the famous psychiatrist. And we actually had a weird, it's very strange actually that we're spending so much time in this show like totally unscripted talking about synchronities. because they came up when we were looking at those books today in this like we were walking earlier today going to a camera store and we stumbled across this um this little like not yard sale exactly but it was in like a driveway somewhere it was just random stuff for sale and we're looking at random books and like oh it's kind of synchronous synchronous that we found this book and that book and then right when we left there was a giant picture of a beetle like just a giant picture of a beetle and for anyone that knows carl young his most famous story is a beetle synchronicity story. So it's just super weird to be talking about synchronicities earlier today, seeing the beetle. Now we're talking in an extended, unscripted fashion about synchronities. It's just weird.

And ultimately, you know, he was kind of ambivalent about what it meant, but he was smart enough to warn against, you know, like this is ripe for like confirmation bias and flights of fancy and like thinking that you're controlling reality. And he was saying that ego shouldn't think that it's driving. synchronicity. But what he believed is that it's like we're stumbling across what the ancients would have called sympathy. So in these ancient esoteric systems, most of them believed in sympathies. Like there are these, this was like invisible language of nature. And to be like a magician was to

understand those symbols and understand how to manipulate those symbols. So I think what it is is it's that nebulous psychical faculty that we have that's always like rubbing up against the transcendence. and we don't really know how or why things happen, but they do happen and we see the meaning. And it's oftentimes like they're just beyond explanation, far beyond chance. So I think it's like we're rubbing up against that dimension of meaning, you know? And when you do certain things, it, again, thins that boundary. That's what I think at least. I knew you could do it.

Before we move on, we do have a special message now, as a, many of you know, Luigi did do a documentary. It's a bit of a big deal. It's called S4 the Bob Lazar Story. It was number one on Amazon. It is now free to stream

on Prime, and it's like trending, which is amazing. People are watching it. If you haven't seen it, and if you're a plus one, maybe don't start there. Maybe start with like something a little like, no, seriously, go watch it. It's amazing. Congratulations.

Again, it's just such a fun. Yeah. Thank you. I got to, you know, witness the inception and the creation and every step along the way, and it was just such a delight to, well, I mean, at times, you know, it was ups and downs, you know, making a... And I'm going to say this again.

I want everybody to know that I, myself, my team, everyone, thank you, Chris Ramsey. Because if it wasn't for this guy, we wouldn't have made it all the way to the finish line. So... Thanks, man. All right. I appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate you.

But our friend, Bob Lazar, was kind enough to send us a little video for you guys tonight. So, Yon, if you don't mind, we got a little video. Hey, guys, good to see you. Sorry, I just can't make it. I just got too much stuff going on here. We got fires nearby and all that stuff. Well. The man himself.

Man himself. Well, give it up for Balazar. You know, too bad he could have made it tonight, but he wished he could be there. He's dealing with some fires and stuff, and he's got like horses and whatnot, but, you know, nice of him to... Wait a second, what's that?

What's that sound? Ladies and gentlemen, our next guest tonight. and resident of Oregon Mr. Robert Scott Wazard. Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know the same way you can skip an ad? I get it.

I'm Siaiaia and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today I'm still figuring it out. Somehow things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll. So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem. So you made it.

I'm a little curious. Round of applause. Did we fool you with that video? No. Way too smart. Yeah, we got to work on that, Bob. We got to work on our magic trick a little more. Thank you for being here.

Oh, no problem. Good to be here. So currently trending once again on Amazon is a strong. story of S4 the Bob Lazar story, or S4 the Bob Lazar story. How has the response been for you since this movie came out? Obviously, you've had people reach out and you've seen some response online. How has that been so far for you? Oh, it's been a tremendous response.

I mean, it's really changed my life, really. It's the first time I don't really have to explain what happened to me. can just point to Luigi or refer to S-4 and said, you know, here it is. But it's amazing how well it was done. And it's really changed the whole dynamics. Yeah, it's one of those movies where, you know, even someone who's, you know, I've seen all the documentaries on your life up to this point, all of the reporting, all of the YouTube videos, you know, and like many others. we're always just, we want a little more. We're always like, you know, there's got to be, there's got to be more to the story.

And I'm sure you're like, no, that's it. Here you go. But then Luigi makes this, you know, movie. And you guys all of a sudden gave us more, more than we thought could ever, you know, sort of be conjured up from this. You gave us a physical sort of representation. Well, a picture's worth a thousand words. I mean, that's what it is. How many times can you tell the same story over and over?

but if you're able to show everything exactly the way it was, it takes on a whole new dimension. Yeah, absolutely. Luigi, quick question for you. When doing this and like, okay, you got out there, you made this movie, how do you feel with, you know, once this is out there, it's being received?

What's your gestalt on this? Like, how is that received for you being someone who's, you know, you're going up, against the biggest story almost in UFO history. This is a monumental task to tell a story in this way specifically and very accurately. Once that was all done, how did that feel for you? Well, that was the first thing was I always felt a certain degree of extreme responsibility because I knew how incredibly controversial the story was, how a lot of people pay so much attention to every single thing Bob would say, and I reading all the stuff throughout the years

online, and you read so much misinformation, not purposeful, sometimes just people explaining it the wrong way. So it was important to make sure that everything was 100% what Bob said he saw, so that at least there was the starting point was accurate. If you wanted to argue the story, at least you're starting on the right track. And when the film came out, obviously, I was nervous. Are people going to like it? It's the first time I make a film, so I was really worried that, you know, I liked it, but are people going to like it?

And it ended up being a good film. And people were... The great film. Thank you. And the people were responding saying, finally, we finally understand what he saw and what the story was all about. And that was really rewarding for me, for my team. And I felt happy that I was able to deliver that in a digestible format.

Yeah. Monumental task. And you did it justice, I think. I wanted to follow up with you, Bob, because the last time, you know, you appeared on my channel. You know, we had kept this secret for almost a year. I had, you know, when I interviewed you the second time on my channel, you know, channel. Most people don't know this, but you were there that day to shoot an episode with Travis Walton. Oh, right, right. Yeah, we had done. So if you look at the interview I did with

Travis Walton and the second interview I did with Bob, you'll notice I have a clock in the skiff and it has a date on it. And it's the same date. So like those, some of you clued in are like, wait, that's a say, because it's very subtle. But that's also why those podcasts were shorter because, you know, they were spent. They were, they just had a, you know, 19 coffees in the diner.

Yeah. And I ran for Bob, it's like, my heart's going to explode. Like, get this, get this coffee away for me. Um,

but yeah, we kind of like kept that for a while. And after the second interview, after the first interview, there's an extra like seven minutes of that interview that kind of like, uh, wasn't really recorded. Like we stopped sound and then like,

we just kept talking. And you had said, to me, you said, man, you know, I'd really love to meet Travis Walton. He said, really interesting. Luigi talks about him a lot, and he's someone that, you know, I feel is very credible. And I'm, I just want another letter on the crossword puzzle. I just want, you know, it'd be nice to talk to him. And I said, Bob, I'd, I'd move mountains to make that happen. And with Luigi's help, you know, and I even remember a texting and being like, you know, what if he, what if he did this in a diner in like the 50s? And And you were like, hell yeah, that sounds really cool, you know?

And I was like, say less. And I built, I remember sending you pictures. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, bring you down and I get you to sit down and for, in my opinion, one of the most legendary conversations just over coffee and pie. What was that experience like for you? How did you feel about it? And how did you feel after getting to speak with Travis Walton?

Well, it was great. for some reason I just always wanted to talk to Travis. I mean, one of the reasons was I saw the movie they made and Travis hated it. He said it had nothing to do with what happened to me. I heard so many conflicting stories and I just wanted to hear it from the guy. And, you know, just to meet him, to ask him questions. and just to see what he really meant, what he really went through was,

it was really cool. I mean, that was a great experience. Did you walk away feeling, like, did it raise your conviction level on his story? Yeah, it did. Yeah. Yeah, you always get a different feeling when you're hearing it, you know,

directly from the horse's mouth, as opposed to a repeated story or a movie or something like that. But, yeah, there's just something about, about, and, you know, Travis had said the craft he saw looked almost identical to the sport model. So I wanted to quiz him on things, because he got to walk inside. He saw it from different angles, and it was just really interesting to get feedback from him. So, yeah, it meant a lot to me. So thanks again for making that out.

My pleasure. You know, it was interesting too because we were, I remember we were sitting together. So like you guys didn't actually meet for the first time on camera. It was like very, we spent some time together the night before because you were both just eager to meet each other. I kind of wanted to keep you separate and like have that meeting happen. I was like, no, this needs to be, you know, these guys need to talk to each other. And we were sat down at the office all together just conversing and like, all that we kept making a joke. I'm like, we should have filmed this conference.

But at one point you start, you're like, Travis, what about the arches? And I'm like, hold on, hold on. I'm like, we can't cross this line. I'm like, we got to keep something for tomorrow. I remember feeling really bad about that because I wanted to stop you. But you did have a burning question about those arches. And what was Travis's response to that? He doesn't, does you remember seeing them? That was kind of nebulous. He says, I do kind of recall something like that, but it's, you know, Travis had a lot more important things to concentrate on when he was there, like trying to get away. But, you know, the archways are significant to the operation of the craft because they're wave guides. And I kind of explained that to Travis. And it kind of took him back, you know, to where he remembered there was something along those lines. But I mean, it couldn't give me a definite answer if it was exactly the same. But I really did want to know that if the craft, and he was in more than one,

if they all had that kind of construction on the inside. If you could, because you, by the way, you did a great job interviewing Travis, which is what it ended up being. Because I didn't know how I was going to go. I was like, hey, you're just going to, I'm going to leave you guys to it. We're going to set up the cameras. We actually left the room and kind of just like set the waitress. in and like we didn't want to I didn't want to like push it in any way I had that little briefcase

with your files in it which is a fun little touch um but if you had to because I think you had pretty good interview skills I think you're a pretty good interviewer um I don't think so I actually I to be completely candid I think you're way more comfortable interviewing people like I've seen you on multiple interviews I've interviewed you like even now but I think you as an interviewer like you were really good at letting people talk. I'm probably more comfortable interviewing someone than being interviewed. Yeah. Yeah.

I agree with that. Who would you interview if you had a chance? Now, I'll let you go maybe dead or alive. Anybody. If you could sit down with somebody for two hours at the flying saucer. I mean, we're just talking about UFO related? You know what? One UFO related and one not UFO related.

Oh, man. How much time do I have? I don't know. I can't spontaneously come up with an answer. All right, we'll come back to it. I will produce an answer in the next five minutes. Amazing. In the meantime, Michael, Nelson, do you guys have any questions? Yeah, I do for sure.

I've heard a bunch of your interviews, and I love that you stick to what you know and what you saw directly. But I'm really interested in the relationship between the phenomenon and consciousness. And you often hear from experiencers that there's like this uncanny aspect to a lot of these sightings. Like the guy, I don't know if you heard the experience who was up here earlier, but he had been literally doing like a full moon ritual before having like a classical UFO like disc shape UFO appear in front of them. And there's just so many, you know, stories to this effect, whether it's like instant communication between these. beings and the experience or whatever. So I'm just curious, when you were in

especially in contact with the craft, but even secondarily, were you exposed at all to anything having to do with this weird relationship between consciousness and the craft or consciousness and the beings? I was not, but I do have a friend

that is so convinced that there is consciousness attached to the craft in some way. I mean, he goes into the construction of the brain, microtubules, and, I mean, how they are, and these topics are only just being touched on now in depth. I'm sure you're familiar with that. And, and he swears that he's got this figured out, and consciousness is it a substantial part of how everything works in unison. And, I mean, to the point,

where he'll just call me like at six o'clock in the morning because he's been thinking about this all night and I stopped taking his calls once in a while you know I just I can't wake up and start thinking about that it takes me a while but um he's he's a great guy brilliant guy and um you know but I didn't have any any direct connection to that I didn't see any evidence of that but he is slowly convincing me that that's the case. Interesting. Interesting. Did you get any sense that there could be a special relationship between the brain and the craft itself in terms of how it's piloted or interacted with? It has to be something along those lines because there's no physical controls.

So, I mean, look, it's not that, you know, if we talked about that in 50s and 60s about some kind of mental control, it sounds like something from Star Trek. But now it's no big deal. You really can control relatively complicated systems in that way. But there has to be how else is the craft control, unless it has something to do with the top level, which I have never had access to or had information on. So interesting. Are you familiar with the professor from, I think it's MIT.

Rudy Child? One more time? Rudy Child? I don't think so. Yeah. He is a professor from MIT as astrophysicist, if I'm not wrong, and was interviewed by George Knapp one time. And he says he spoke to somebody who had been on the program. And he was in favor of Bob Lazar and was explaining that he is convinced that there was some type of

mental connection between the occupant and the craft. And there was some type of communication he had heard between some academics or some scientists that had been involved in the program. That was how this thing functioned, that there was a connection to the machine with our brain. This is a guy who's got a lot of credentials at MIT who came out publicly talking about this. obviously not a lot of people like to bring it out in the public. He's an older guy, but I spoke to him. I'm in communication with him. Very, very smart guy. So you should look into that. It's really interesting. I definitely will. Yeah. Yeah. I've always wanted to ask you about this just because obviously I have a fascination with memory. And you know, you're in this position

where you've been telling the story that happened to you so long ago. You've had to say it over and over again. and, you know, people have gone on and told your story for you or done documentaries about it. And then, you know, this gentleman comes along and is sitting with you painstakingly going through all these memories to rebuild them. I would imagine that I'm already amazed at how you were able to go into those depths and find the detail to construct something that was so detailed. But it must have been... It was because of bringing out those details that brought back the memories. That's what you're going to. That's what I'm getting to.

So, like, as you're coming up with probably something that's hard to describe and probably fading a little bit, you build it a little bit. I'm sure that kind of revitalizes or helps kind of jog. Yeah, it absolutely did. I wish I had an example that I can remember. But that occurred. And in fact, I think it was setting up the lab or something in there. And, you know, we'd put it on the computer.

essentially walk in there and, you know, turn around and, you know, wait, there's, there's a door missing. And, you know, there's absolutely a door there. And, you know, by walking through it, I think that even happened in the big hangar, too. That's right. It was just, once you see yourself there, you can kind of see what's missing. Yeah. What memory dropped out. Yeah. But it also says that the memory is still in.

there. It just needed the connecting fabric to get there, which was, you know, seeing the basic structure, but missing the door. And then suddenly now you have the door. And I'm sure that just seeing that door probably unlocked some other details, right? Yeah, I think it happened all through it in different levels of intensity. I mean, some things were big and, you know, there, it was, I remember the light in the tripod light in the craft, you know, had a cable coming out. And you're like, oh, yeah, it was orange. The extension cord. The extension cord, because he would always tell us,

look out for the cables, you know. Yeah, yeah. There was also something else, a big container. The blue liquid. Wait, what? What is this? There is a big container. We just called it Windex.

It looks like a big container of Windex. And what does it do? I have no idea. It was just there. It had nothing to do with what we were doing. and I had just forgotten about it until, you know, we started putting the lab together. Well, it was the lab came together. You remember, you remembered the door right away.

It was instant. As he walks into the lab, the first thing Bob says is, wait, there's a door that's missing right to the right. It was instant. And I remember going, well, wait, why would there be a door there? It goes to the hangar. And you said, yeah, that's where we went. and immediately it was like, okay, that opened up a whole other thing, because then when you're in the hangar, you had the adjacent hangar door,

and there was little doors in there. And you said, wait, there's a missing door in that big door. And everything started cascading. And it was like his memory was just coming right back. And I compared it to when you look at, you know, if ever you bring out an album old photos, and you look at, let's say, a picture of your own house when you were a kid, and you see one thing, and you go, oh, yeah.

And then suddenly everything starts coming back. Same thing. You're in a place where you can't go back. The difference is that at least the photo is, it's an actual photo you took. The thing you created is not real. You've built it from him. And it's kind of like this recursive loop that's just rebuilt his own memory. Oh, right.

Yeah. It's pretty cool. Like a virtual memory palace. Booster. Yeah. Or yeah. It's like a mind pal. Yeah, I've heard of that.

Yeah. And it is interesting, too, because spatial memory is like our strongest memory. Isn't that? That's what I was telling you earlier, how I remember all these digits of pie. I was placing them in this memory palace and how powerful it is for humans to remember spatial information. So it's not surprising that. Luigi, you should have recruited Nelson to help. That's true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Nelson just holding Bob's head and being like, come on. That's in there. Think harder, Bob.

I still can't believe you can remember 10,000 digits of pie. It's not that crazy. Yes, it is that hard. It's not that hard. I did have one more question about memory again, but is there any memory that you're aware that you've forgotten just because of time that's past and it's faded that you wish you remembered more? Ooh, good question. I know that's occurred, but I don't remember. That's fair answer.

Maybe like the documents, is there like, because there was a lot of documents they had your read. I really, I know a lot of people focus on those because go, boy, all the answers are there. But like that's when I first got into the project and I was just going through these things. probably just, I didn't even know if they were real. So I just flipped through them quick. Oh, really? Okay. And, you know, that was, that was that. And I never got to look at them again.

Yeah, that would be fun to go back into that, mine palace. Yeah, if I could remember what I saw on each page, that would be kind of cool. Yeah, there's something in the works. That's all I'll say. Yeah. All right. Interesting. We won't pry.

We'll be polite. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say Bob looked surprised when you said that. There is. News to me. I am surprised, yeah. You know, one of the things I wanted to say about memory and today's technology, because you said, you know, I built something that wasn't real, that is like a loop where it makes him remember something.

and one of the things that I hope that comes, and I'm obviously myself, my team, always at the very forefront of learning about technology and what we have as tools, and AI is obviously the biggest thing that's arrived is revolutionizing the world, whether we like it or not. It's here and it's not going to go away.

What I would love to see, and hopefully we're able to make the existing computers, computing equipment that we have able to do it, how cool would it be if we could basically speak to AI, like we speak to chat or whatever we speak to, whoever decides to speak to something, we're speaking to a robot these days. And imagine saying to a robot and you're looking at a screen and you want to build your high school from your memory and see how accurate AI can start building it in 3D while you're talking. And that would start opening up your memory to things and how accurate could it get

where we start building our memories visually in front of us. I would love to see that in the next, you know, 10 years. Season of Black Mirror. Yeah. Yeah. But you did that. In a way. Terrifying.

Have you thought about who you'd like to interview yet? Yeah, I'm sorry that it's going to sound so typical. Yep, go ahead. But I'm still going to have to go back to Einstein just because of where he was on gravity. That's... Well, let's set it up. The next diner episode.

It's going to be a tough one, but we'll make it happen. We need to get Selvins for our backup here to do a couple rituals and we'll get back to you. Just give me a good old shovel, I guess, and a potion. I don't know. Is there anyone in the UFO field that you feel like, hmm, that you'd like to interview one more time?

I don't know. I don't really know the UFO field. What about John Lear? Would you go back and, if you're going to interview? if you could and sit down with John one more time. I've sat down with John a lot. What's the craziest thing John Lear has ever told you? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Really? Yeah, yeah, let's go. And we're going to clip it right there. No, no, no. But what is, like, the most insane thing that he's told you because he's said some stuff? Okay. We can go on for a while.

that there's the sun is not hot it's just that the atmosphere of the sun's on fire but the you know the globe itself is solid there's people living on it and um the same thing uh with venus there are there are people there and i say when does the crazy part start yeah we're getting there we're I mean, John Lear had so many crazy ideas. The thing is, John was a great guy. I really liked him. But he had no BS filter at all. And, you know, like I've said before,

he could have a four-star general come in and say, hey, I've got to mention information here, you know, for you. And, you know, he'd file it. and then you can have, this literally happened. A neighbor girl came over and she said, I can see radio waves. And he said, okay, great. And, you know, he puts them both together

and they both have equal weight. And, you know, and I said, well, that's crazy, John. You know, and he said, no, it's not. It's not. She said she can see radio eyes. I said, all right, all right. Well, let's get a walkie-talkie. I will bring one over, and she can sit there, and I'll key it,

and, you know, she won't be able to see it, and she can tell me when she sees radio waves, and she doesn't. Yeah, I said, that's a fair test. He said, no, you can't do a test like that. So, but there are so many crazy things. But within all the crazy things, like, he would still talk to, like, for example, a four-star general. So he had great. context. He really did, you know, partially because of his father. And, you know, he was in a very

accomplished pilot. He had every flying certificate and world record you could possibly have. But as time went on, he just started thinking in a nonlinear fashion, you know. It was just different. Yeah. He's, I mean, clearly. Clearly, there's some unhinged theories around John Lear, but also, you know, he would still talk about things like the MJ12 documents or like, you know, the Aztec crash and stuff like that. Yeah, to him there was supposedly hundreds of UFO crashes, which just doesn't make sense. He also said in the Nellis Mountain Range, there's over a billion aliens that live inside there. and you know where do they ever come out

I mean how can you not see a billion of anything but he just had so many crazy ideas but he had a lot of great information too knew a lot of you know prominent people yeah I have a feeling if anyone could get some novel and you know good information out of him it would be you in an interview so

yeah definitely but um yeah well Chris if I may ask you, if you could have, you've already had Mount Rushmore of guests on the diner talking to each other. Who would you ideally love to have next? I mean, there's, there's a few, there's a few, like, alive, like, yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, strange podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. One of us isn't drinking coffee, you know. I guess I'll get the bill. I would say there's a few.

Like on the celebrity side, I'd love to interview Dan Aykroyd. I think it's totally underrated. He did Joe Rogan once. He's into Crystal Skulls. He has obviously his crystal skull vodka. But his whole family has a history of like paranormal things. He's got a book coming out soon, which I can't wait to read. And he's a very fascinating person, a Canadian as well.

So definitely Dan Aykroyd. Also on the more sort of UFO side of things, I think, man, uh, huh? Jacques valet, ooh, yeah, that's a deep cut. I think definitely Jacques Valet. I'm hoping to make that happen, actually, eventually, yeah. You know, I know he's, you know, he's getting up there and he's not really traveling. I mean, I think he's done doing like public appearances and stuff. And so, yeah, I would love to, even, even, honestly, he's one of those people who, even off the record,

camera I would just love to like he's like the closest thing to like a shaman we have in like this uphology business like he's been to more encounter sites than I think anyone else he's intertwined with some of the most interesting people and events in the last like you know whatever decades it's really really um you know this guy helped invent like the internet like you know what I mean like he's he's just a really really special guy I think him and then Dan Burrish I think could be the other one. So, but, yeah, also, I believe, in Canada, Dan Burrish. So, you know, love to make that.

Dan, if you're watching, if you're at home, you know, or Marcia. Yeah, he has to come out. He's got to. I mean, but, you know, that's one of those ones as well where it's like, I'm just going to let you talk and you guys decide, like, not going to weigh in on this one. and I think here's another one here's a controversial one and this interview is coming out next week

for you guys so I interviewed for four hours I sat down with Richard Doty I already hear the comments on this video hey how about it

got to say very affable guy it's in his interest to be affable I understand but the The conversation was fascinating. We got through a lot of stuff. It's one of those like suspend your disbelief, like, you know, giant rock grain assault.

But very interesting nonetheless. Those are, yeah, it's a little sneak peek. How about you? If you had to talk to somebody in this field. Oh, I probably tombed along just because I'm a huge blink fan, but I've just loved to hear him, spew all his stuff. Yeah. Nice. Michael?

I mean, if we could, if we could find him, General McCasland, McCaslands and Levenda together would be insane. Yeah, like, just someone, someone who really knows what's going on behind the scenes at a very high level who like, you know, oversees like the WUSAPs, like the waived unacknowled special access programs, doesn't have any compartmentalization talking to someone who has like the crazy philosophical. Chops, you know, and like seeing how all of that would come together, that would be... That is kind of the missing link. Is like, we hear about the nuts and bolts. We hear about, like, the soft sciences. And there is, like, what joins those two things together is, like, this weird Greek

mythology or something. Yeah, exactly. Or even someone like Rush, you know, he'll specifically talk about these programs, craft, bodies. But then he'll say, you know, spacecraft. but that's not the correct parlons. And he'll talk about interdimensional stuff in interviews as well. And it's like, how does all this fit together?

Like, how do the bodies and the craft and the what, you know, it's just, it's all these, this constellation of super fascinating things that you could guess how they might connect, but you're just not sure. Yeah. And also, they're doing that probably to not say the thing, because then we all think it's the thing, right? So they're trying to be purpose. nebulous, like, you know, you'll say things like, oh, it's non-human biologics and like,

they're like, okay, so like plant spit, like, what are we talking about? Like, no, no, it's non-human intelligence. Or like dolphins and cats are like, like, there's no term that like correctly, vaguely describes everything. And it's funny hearing like Grush specifically, like, they're bipedal plasmoids and you're like, so we got to call the Ghostbusters, I guess, now. I got to, you know, these things all sound very strange, you know. But yeah, we can't put a, we can't put a thing on it until we know what it is,

because then or else everybody thinks it's, you know, Martians or Venusians or whatever it is, or people in the sun. Which, I'm suspicent. All right. I think it's time to, we got a few questions. We asked you guys to, and you guys probably didn't know the guests were here today, but we'll get through the questions and maybe we'll throw some your way, as well. Yoni, do you want to pull those up? All right, perfect. All right. Here, Bob, do you mind if I join you?

Oh, go right. All right. Okay, the number one question. Do you think everything is related, i.e. UFO's paranormal ancient civilization. This is by Agent Angel. Bob, I'll start with you. Do you think it's all related? Very generalized question. Yeah, very possibly. Very possibly. Yep. I think we're all in agreement. Very possibly.

Very possibly. Okay. Okay. I felt like Michael had something more. Well, I got a better one for Michael here anyway. These are all Michael questions, by the way. Agent Mr. Ken asks, is physical reality a manifestation of consciousness? I mean, do you want the short answer or the long?

answer. I mean, I'm a big fan of idealist philosophy, which posits that consciousness is like the ground level of being, of course, for anybody who's ever heard me talk for more than two minutes, there's a good chance that's what I was talking about. Um, so I'm, I mean, I'm a fan of that theory. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. I like this question. Do the visitors listen to human music? Whoa. And why wouldn't they? Luigi. They have to. We've created it.

If they're here, they pretty much... They're bopping. You know? They know the music. Maybe that's why they're here. Who knows? Maybe that's why they're here. Maybe they're making the music.

Actually, you know, artists, the muse, the daimon, the demiurge, right? Kanye's pretty weird. I mean, he could be an alien. That's true. Yeah. They're at least familiar with it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they would have to be.

I wonder what they think. They're like, ah, that's so. Maybe they're like, ew. I don't know. We can talk about the next question. Yeah, go ahead. Is the Sasquatch real slash coming to get me? Yeah, the Sasquatch is interesting because we are in Sasquatch country.

Yeah. Are you guys all fans of the Squatch? I have no idea. I'm going to leave it up. I think you've got some good takes on this stuff, honestly. Well, first of all, I live near Whitehall, New York, which is we got the big foot over where we are. You guys call them Sasquatch. But I've traveled a lot to Nepal and done some mountain climbs, and they have, of course, the Yeti.

One of our investigative reports at the beginning was, since I traveled there, and I did, we just haven't kind of put it together, but it filmed a, kind of as much as I could a deep dive into Yeti lore over there in Nepal, which was really interesting, especially in the Sherpa community, the locals who live near Mount Everest, they, it's funny, I would bring it up, I was asking everybody, have you ever seen a Yeti? Have you ever seen footprints? Blah, blah, blah. And they would say, they'd laugh.

Don't be silly. But then they'd stop laughing and be like, they'd tell me a story where they knew somebody who had seen footprints or had an experience. or their father had told them stories. And so there was this kind of pervasive lore that existed within the community that had been around for centuries. And they, I think, deep down, truly believed that this being existed. Was the real proof I'd never really got to the bottom of it? But it seemed like they all had this story of something out in the wild that they had encountered and they didn't know what it was. And I feel like that's also kind of similar what I got out of people in the area where I live when I ask about people who are kind of well versed in the Bigfoot lore.

I don't know what it's like out here with Sasquatch. But I think there's kind of like this unknown that people like to have to kind of encapsulate the things that they can't fully describe. And I think Bigfoot is one of those things, the Eddie Sasquatch, whatever you call it. So do I think it's real? I think yes in some sense. I don't know if the actual being that we, the cryptid that we're talking about is actually out there. I could be wrong.

I don't know. But this is just my feeling that it's more of a concept that we. Like an archetype. Yeah. Yeah, like a subconscious archetype of something, some type of projection that we're putting on to the unknown. Round of applause. Who here believes that they have seen the Sasquatch.

All right. That's not applause One more time Round of applause Who's seen the Sasquatch? That's not nobody That's kind of very interesting Has anybody seen

There's a guy on Instagram Who claims that he has Like a Sasquatch corpse Oh God, yeah And obviously everybody was like Calling bullshit on it And he's like I will saw through it Yeah

And show you the cross section And then he did And he's like got a picture of himself With this cross section of a giant Sasquatch. Aren't they getting, aren't the pieces getting bigger? Weird. Or is it just me?

Like, they're huge. Oh, yeah. The head he has is gigantic. Yeah, it's like got to be, it's like at least the size of his torso or like from sheer to. It's, yeah, it's big. I appreciate the hustle, you know. Yeah. It's tough to make a living on social media, dude.

You got to like get out there and decapitate a Sasquatch. It's a lot of work. I think for a lot of people, like this, the cryptid conversation is a very slippery one and it's like an area they don't want to go. And I'm kind of one of those people that's much more skeptical of that. But you hear stories about like Skin Walker, Wendigo, Mothman. And it's like, you know, John Keel like was also very reluctant to believe it as well.

But he would always talk about these things happening in concert with one another. Like again, these window areas, these times where it would just be a huge uptick in all kinds of weird sightings of like, of creatures of, of craft. Wolfman. or like yeah i mean all the skin walker ranch stuff it's yeah there's a lot i'm sorry go ahead i was just gonna throw it over to bob curious to know what you think about cryptids like what's is that ever crossed your mind or are you like i'll believe it when i see it like what's your what's your type of i'll believe it when i see it yeah yeah you don't believe

any of those old old video you know where he's like everybody knows i'm doing this you know like you know this video yeah i mean i just haven't seen enough evidence i mean mean, but, you know, if you're talking more along the line to Skinwalker, um, do you know, that I'm a little more, I lean a little more that way. Really? That's, yeah, that, yeah, I've known that not my, my personal experience, but I, I have a lot of faith in George Knapp who's researched that for a long time. And, uh, you know, I knew Bob Bigelow who owned the Skinwalker Ranch and look, the reason he

sold it was because he's, you know, petrified of what's there. And, you know, they've had other physicists and, you know, to research the place and have entities have followed him back home. And, you know, even George was concerned about the thing. But it's just because I, you know, trust the opinions of these people. And I don't think I'll be going there. That was my next question. You wouldn't stay overnight? No, no, no, there's no reason to do that. You've heard about the hitchhiker effect and like all that stuff? Not liking that at all.

I don't know, I'd go. That'd be a good audience question. Like, is it worth the risk to potentially see something? Wow. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've talked to Brandon Fugel. Like, I've texted him. And, like, I'm ready.

I'd go. I mean, why not? Nice to know. you though, but uh, bring some, bring some stuff home. Um, yeah, who knows? Who knows what that stuff is? If it's real, I also had Ben Woodruff. He was a biologist on Skinwalker Ranch who they'd hired. He has a great interview. And Ben's a lovely person. And he's also like a falconier. And he's like, uh, he just, he loves studying sort of, uh, paleontology and, you know, all this, all this stuff. but he's found tons of anomalous things regarding the biological side of things,

like the plants that are affected, the animals that are affected. Like, for instance, the mammals that are like bigger than a mouse, when they find them, or any animal, for that matter, they don't decay at all. They stay limp. They don't even go hard. There's no rigormortus. They had a rabbit, I believe, that was there for three months. months or a skunk, three months, no decay. It literally did not decay. And they were studying it.

There was still fresh blood in it. After three months, this is unheard of, completely impossible. And the second they took it off the ranch, it started decomposing. And so then they're like, is there something there? What if we bring in a dead animal? And how does it affect human life? Like there's all these questions because the cows as well, they die and nothing eats them. like nothing no ant nothing goes near them they're like we're not you know like a lot of mutilation stuff so yeah very strange stuff maybe

I maybe I won't go I don't know but that's really all we have time for unfortunately tonight folks we've gone over our time I want to I want to start by thanking my co-hosts thank you so much Nelson pleasure being here

thank you all Go check out Nelson's work. He has a YouTube channel as well where he teaches memory techniques. He also has a book called Remember It, which literally will help you remember things. And then he's got another one called Everyday Genius that just came out. It's a great book as well. So thank you, Nelson. My friend over here, my good compatriot and fellow cohort in the phenomenon realm, Michael Philip from third eyedrops, thank you so much. So nice to have you explaining all the things that I don't understand. And it's really, and Nelson just remembering it, it's awesome.

Thank you, Luigi Vendateli for everything you've done. Thank you. Thank everybody. And thank you to the man of the hour, Mr. Bob Lazare. You know, I do want to say, Bob. You know, I've thanked you before for everything you've done, but this, what we've created here is very special. This is very cool.

I do not say this lightly. I don't think I would be here if it wasn't for you, like on this stage. I wouldn't be here. And I don't think we would have this if it wasn't for you. Like we're looking at the sports model back here. You are a massive, massive part of this. And so if nothing else, if we don't get answers,

if we don't get government disclosure, if we don't get any of that, we got each other, we got this community, and that for me is more than enough. So thank you so much for a lot. allowing us to be here today. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you.

And thank you to you guys in Portland. You guys have been absolutely amazing. Best crowd so far. We love you so much. Have an awesome and amazing night and a safe trip home. Good night, guys.