AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - Breaking Down The Alien Agenda - David Icke | DEBRIEFED ep. 81

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

AREA 52 Shop: https://www.area52.shopPatreon Exclusive Content: https://www.patreon.com/Area52investigationsIn this powerful, no-holds-barred conversation, legendary researcher and author David Icke joins us to expose the hidden architecture of control shaping our world. From the simulation we call reality to interdimensional forces, shape-shifting entities, and the rapidly advancing AI hive-mind agenda, nothing is off limits. At 73 years old, David delivers one of his most clear and hard-hitting interviews yet, connecting ancient wisdom, quantum reality, and current events like never before.

David Ike, a British author, researcher, and speaker who's challenged mainstream views for over three decades. Born in 1952 in Leicester, England. He began as a professional footballer, then became a prominent BBC sports broadcaster and journalists. But in the early 1990s, he left the mainstream media after a now-famous TV appearance, where he was widely mocked for his emerging views on reality and power. They're laughing at you. They're not laughing with you. It's fine. He has since authored more than 20 books, including The Biggest Secret,

exploring theories of reptilian shapeshifters, interdimensional beings influencing humanity, and a reincarnation cycle trapping souls in illusion. Once dismissed, many of his warnings about global control and hidden agendas have gained new attention as recent revelations and events unfold. And at 73, he still remains a very provocative voice. So sit down, strap yourself. in and for the next few hours, I ask that you suspend your disbelief as we welcome David Ike. David, thank you so much for joining me and thank you for inviting me here. Pleasure.

A lot of things I want to talk about today. There's a few conversations. First of all, I think that talking to you in the current climate and the current situation of the world is quite fitting, And it feels like you're through what we're seeing and, you know, all the alternative media that's come out and just people being open to this idea of the subconscious or the unconscious or consciousness in general. It feels like you're being more and more vindicated throughout, you know, this portion of history. How do you feel about that? Yeah, well, I remember. when I started out, consciously started out, in 1990, and in the years that followed, I mean, I couldn't generate any interest in any of the stuff. I couldn't generate interest in the fact

that a few people were running the world, and it weren't who people thought were running the world. I couldn't generate interest in the whole idea. idea of consciousness, like who are we, where are we, what is this place. And when I look at it now, 36 years later, well, I know people say, oh, people aren't waking up fast enough. Well, okay, I'll go with that. But they should have been with me in 1990. I mean, to me, this is Dreamland now because there are so many people who would have waived

do this whole stuff away before and said ridiculous, crazy, who are now beginning to look and say, well, maybe it's not so crazy. So it's great in that sense. But, you know, do you feel a sense of vindication? Well, vindication in the sense of what I've talked about and what I've said is the plan for humanity has turned out to be increasingly true, has been for. for a long time now. But it is also frustrating because I've seen people come into the alternative media, which didn't exist when I started out, it was just a few disparate individuals, you know, handing out leaflets.

No internet, as we know it now. They've come in and they've basically taken it over. and they've taken it over in terms of algorithmic promotion, because the algorithms now are absolutely bottom line if you want to get information out. Because if the algorithms are suppressing you, what's called shadow banning, then it doesn't matter how many people follow your page, say, on X.

You will not have vast numbers of those people, seeing what you post unless they go to your page and actually look at you individually. And what this kind of hijack has done is come in and stop the what should be the constant expansion of questions about everything. Tell you what I mean. So you come in and you say the conspiracy is politics and finance and the system. It's the world of the scene. That's it.

And so what you're doing with people that go with that is they may have been there before and now they've done there. But they're still in a box because it might be a slightly big. a box, but it's still a box, because they're not going beyond it. It's like, all, everything's here. And if you notice now, so much of what is put out in the conspiracy arena is like going round and round. It's like an eddy in the river. The river is flowing past knowledge, potential knowledge, insight, all that stuff. But you're going round and round, basically repeating the same stuff. And I've always worked, and it served me very well, on the principle of what's attributed to

Socrates, the ancient Greece philosopher, which is to know is to know you know nothing. Or put another way, wisdom is knowing how little we know. Because what that does is you always know. And this really is one of, I guess one of the few things that can't be challenged. That whatever we know or think we know, there's always more to know. And once you put a lock and a block upon that expansion into, okay, I think I've got this, but what don't I know? You are creating this, Eddie, and you're stopping the expansion of awareness. into those areas, not only to understand the scale of human control, but that's where the answers lie. They don't lie here.

I mean, what do you do? You're going to vote for party A. Yeah, okay, so you don't like what they've done, no, or don't. So how do I all get rid of them? Well, you have to vote party B. Okay. But, I mean, they're doing pretty much the same. I don't get rid of them.

Oh, you've got to party A again. And this is the eddy, round and round and round. And so I've always worked on the premise of whatever I know, there's always more to know. And that has taken me on an extraordinary journey from in the early 90s uncovering this what I call global cult, this global network of secret societies that are driving world events, fiercely compartmentalized. It's the inner circle. It's really doing the drive. And then my next question was, okay, so when did this start? Because obviously it didn't start five minutes ago or 50 years ago. And you start to look back and you get comfortably back

into Rome and Babylon and Egypt and all that stuff. And you realize actually that this has been going on all through this period of what we call history. or what we think is history. And so then the next question you ask, when you're saying, okay, what don't I know, is what's the common factor that has spanned this period of time where people have been born into this cult, if you like,

they have played a part in advancing its control, and then they've died. And then other people, or their own, consciousness has come back and it's gone on to present day. So what is the force that span that that that whole period? And what I have found is that when you ask the big questions, you get the big answers. When you keep asking questions and you, you, you, you, you, You really want to know the answers. It's not just an add-on.

You really want to know. As I understand it, I've understood it more and more as this period has gone on. We are interacting with the quantum level, if you like, of reality. And we are creating a feedback loop between our perceptions of reality. including our questions of reality and the quantum level of energy, that level of all possibility, all potential waiting to manifest. How do we manifest it with our perceptions of reality, what you believe, you perceive, what you perceive you experience? And so by continually asking these big questions. Like, okay, so what is this force that spans this whole period? And suddenly the

synchronicity, and you know, I know Carl Young talked about synchronicity, but what is synchronicity? Synchronicity, if you break it down, is our interaction with all possibility, with all potential. And so, you know, people talk about prayer when they're praying for help from God. Yeah, but, but is it God that's delivering

or is it you that's delivering by the focus of attention that you're giving to, to your interaction with this quantum level of all possibility? So what I've, what I've been experiencing through these years when I've asked the big questions

and the next question, the answers have come and they've come through synchronicity walking into people documents books personal experiences and so on that have been like handing me puzzle pieces in a in a jigsaw actually pretty much in the order necessary to see where they go and so what this is just to finish the way with what this is done it's taken me from those that run the world are not people who seem to be running the world. It's all happening in the shadows. To what then happened in the mid-1990s,

where this whole non-human aspect of the human control came in, that's the force that spans these generations from another dimension of reality. And on to the nature of reality itself. which includes, I have long concluded, like about the turn of the millennium, that this is actually a, this reality is the equivalent of a vastly advanced virtual reality computer game.

And we are being manipulated to stay within its orbit of control. There's a lot to unpack there. There's so many teachings and so many books and so many philosophers that all point to some semblance of this being the reality that we're interacting with. Even quantum physics and sort of if you look into simulation theory and it all kind of plays within this a little bit. But what you're, I guess, suggesting is that there is a controller on the other end of this. And that controller, you know, might have some type of personal gain through doing this. Whatever that gain might be, whether that's, you know, we talk about luch like, you know, Robert Monroe's sort of teachings or whether we talk about just keeping everything in a lower vibration for, you know, whatever personal appeal that might offer them. I want to go back to in the mid-90s, you met with a Zulu Shaman, Credo Moodwa.

Yeah, that was very late 1990s. Yeah, and, you know, six-hour interview. I watched the whole thing. It was really interesting because not only does he mention the sort of the Shatari, I think, which are like essentially reptilians by the same definition or reptile-like beings, but also these other beings that were sort of, of like Nordics, like these tall blondes that would have the ability to sort of disappear. Yeah, he always talked about the grays. And the grays as well. And I thought that was really

interesting because you don't often hear sort of a comprehensive sort of, I guess, picture based on all of these different species and what the role is. But he kind of had a really comprehensive explanation for all of this. How much has his teachings and his stories. How much has that impacted how you see the phenomenon? Not as much as you would think. Because the relationship with myself in Credo was one of, he would tell me the ancient stories of Africa and the Zulu legends and the Zulu accounts.

And I would tell him what I'd learned in the modern world. And the extraordinary thing was, is why we got on so well, is we told the same story. Because by the time I came across Kradomutwa when I was speaking in South Africa, I'd already concluded that there was a reptilian non-human level of human control, that this global cult of secret societies, but certainly it's in a core, was basically the vehicle within our reality, which is only a band of frequency, for imposing upon humans the agenda that was coming from this other reality, what people call the astral reality. And so I'd concluded many of the things that he told me about. But what he did, which added massively to it, was confirm that the ancient stories were telling the same story that I was covering, like when I was in America during the 1990s, I mean, I was talking to nobody. I was supposed to be on a speaking tour.

Well, that was great, but I was speaking to chairs, not people, most of the time. But what was happening then is I was meeting all these different people, whistleblowers, people formerly of the military, people who experience UFOs and stuff. And they were telling me all this stuff. They told me about the Riptony. So not just them. I was getting this from members of the public. I remember there was a period in what would it be, 1996, when, 96, yeah, when I was speaking to no bugger night after night in different places.

And in a period of 15 days, I met 12 separate people who told me the same story of how they'd seen, this is synchronicity, how they'd seen someone appear to be human who shifted into a reptilian form. So by the time I met Credo, this was starting to become clear in my mind. But what he added was the phenomenal knowledge he had of the ancient legends and the ancient accounts. And also of course he talked about

his own abduction by what appear to be gray entities, which was a classic abduction in so many ways. And so it was like a fusion of the two and was very, very helpful. I want to take a second to talk to you about the quality of this show. Obviously, I spend a lot of time, you know, perfecting, fine-tuning, even set building, lighting, all the components that go into movie making, but I do this on a weekly basis for YouTube. And anyone dabbling in social media or making their own videos knows that it's a lot of work. And so sometimes I like using AI to help me tell a story, especially a story that involves things that are impossible to film.

And so recently I've been using Higgsfield Cinema Studio and let me tell you it's the closest thing to actual filmmaking. I'm going to break down how easy this is to use. First, I need a character. I went with a man in his mid-50s, presidential figure, dark hair, clean-shaven, got a couple options, went with this guy. Next, I'll create the location. Fancy bathroom in the White House, chandeliers, marble, etc. Perfect.

Now for the video. This is where I use the image to begin the scene. From here, I can choose camera motions, zoom-ins, orbital shots, pans, even speed ramping. You can also choose how many shots in your scene and whether or not you want audio, etc. I'll add my prompt here and the duration of the scene, and here it is. So most tools in AI, as you probably know, feels like gambling every time. you hit the generate button. But with Higgsfield, it feels more like directing. And everything's in one place. So no jumping between tools or weird workflows. So if you're into filmmaking or even just

dabbling, you know, posting stuff on social media, whatever it is, I urge you to just give it a shot because you're going to be surprised at what you're able to create using Higgsfield. So I'll drop the link below. Please use my link if you can, if you're going to sign up and let me know how you got on. Thank you Higgsfield for sponsoring this video. I think where it gets so complicated with all of this stuff is that, you know, you have this idea of an overarching agenda, but then individually there are hundreds of thousands of cases. And all of these cases have a variant amount of interactions. Like you said, a lot of them have, you know, classic displays of, you know, being taken from your bedroom at night, being, you know,

you had these things performed on you, these specific procedures. You meet a few entities on board. They show you at the end of the world. They give you a tour of the ship and they bring you back. And it's like this kind of, but within that, you have a varying degree of, you know, some of them felt like they were benevolent. Some of them felt like they were malevolent. Some of them felt like they were hurting me, others. And so there's this varying degree of what seems like agendas behind, you know, these altercations. How do you sort of, I guess, what do you make of all of that? Does it all fall under the same umbrella or are there different species interacting with us?

Or is this all just part of the same control system? Well, I think in the end it's part of the same control system. And I think that you can equate a lot of these abduction experiences in the way you've described. You know, there are common themes to them. But they can be a bit different here and there. But there's common themes to near-death experiences. When the body dies, it ceases, I would say, to decode this simulation reality. And you find yourself in another dimension of reality with completely different, quote, laws of physics.

And it's all the tunnel and the light and the life review. I mean, they are absolutely classic. I've listened and read so many of these. counts over the years. The near death stuff. Near death ones, yeah. But I've also talked to many people who've had these abduction experiences. And I'm not sure you can necessarily put them all in one box.

It's not something where everyone has exactly the same experience. But there are very compelling common things. And, you know, in this sequence of unfolding awareness through, okay, so what don't I know, it took me eventually into the understanding that this human reality, like I say, just a band of frequency, is actually ultimately being manipulative. from another level within this matrix simulation that we call the astral dimension. And that that astral dimension is where at least the great majority of these so-called extraterrestrials are in terms of the reptilians and other and other types. And I remember, again, what's happened in my life is I've reached conclusions from various research I've done. And okay, I think this is what's going on.

And then something will come along and give you a massive confirmation of, yeah, that's on the ball. So I eventually came across Robert Monroe, the Monroe Institute, who developed this ability to project his consciousness into the astral dimension. The gateway process. Of course, yeah, the gateway process and also how the U.S. military got involved, their psychological area, and did this study of the gateway process and the projection that is. into the astral. And what, what hit me was that the astral travelers, if you like, in the study came across so many reptilian entities in the astral. They gave them the collective name of the alligators.

And, and that was like, well, that's why I concluded that these entities were coming from the astral. So, you know, once you, or put it another way, if you don't research this vast range of subjects that may not seem to have any connection, you're never going to get the picture. And the key one to understand everything is the nature of reality and the nature of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, the eye, the real eye, not the human body eye, it's just an experience. I mean, consciousness, the infinite, eternal eye, but also the fact that we are in a band of frequency. And even within this band of frequency, the human sight can only see a tiny, tiny ridiculously narrow smear of it called visible light. And so,

if you don't look at the nature of reality and of course if you're looking at your schools and your education system and your media and what have you where most people get their information from therefore their perception of reality they don't talk about this stuff you know orthodox science is

the the point of reference that the media and and education takes it, takes it point of reference from in terms of reality, but when you really are willing to, to break out of the box and explore beyond the limitations of orthodoxy, so many questions suddenly become answered.

Like, you know, I've said many times, one thing that children should be told at the earliest time that they can grasp it, is that when they look through their eyes, they're not seeing everything in the space that they're looking at. They're only seeing a tiny band of frequency visible light. And therefore, you know, there is this imposed sense of normal

that you get from the education system and the media, etc. It's not just a perceptual prison in the wider sense. it's a perceptual prison about the very reality that we're experiencing. For instance, the norm is that people just accept is normal, is that when you look through your eyes, you're seeing everything in the space you're looking at. You're seeing everything in the space. Oh, yeah, of course I am.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So where's the Wi-Fi then? Where's the Wi-Fi? You see her? But you can't see it, can you? No, you can't. Because you can only see a narrow band of frequency.

So, for instance, people say, well, honestly, mate, I'm standing there and this UFO appeared out of nowhere. And then it just disappeared into nowhere. Or people say, I woke up and there was this entity at the end of the bed just appeared. And then it disappeared. And, of course, normal goes... What are you on, mate? That's ridiculous. That's impossible.

Control of the sense of the possible is one of the greatest forms of human perceptual control. This is why we have orthodox science here and no further. But what's happening, of course, is something enters visible light. Suddenly to the observer, they've seen it come out of nowhere. It leaves visible light, changes its frequency. bang, it's disappeared into nowhere. And these things can be perfectly explainable, but only when you get into the deeper levels of the nature of reality.

And the system doesn't want you to do that. You know, if you are a religious follower and you've got this religious story, don't matter what religion it is, all basically the same, you've got this religious story. If you go beyond the religious story, first of all, you're perceived as a blasphemer, but if you start to explore what's called the hidden, the hidden knowledge, well, what is another word for hidden? Occult.

So suddenly you are dabbling in the occult. No, no, no, no, you're dabbling in hidden knowledge. which can be used for horrific things, and it is, or it can be used to say as free. It's just hidden knowledge. But religion says, if you go into the occult, that's the devil. Now, Orthodox science, which is another religion, by the way. Scientism. Yeah, Scientism.

Exactly it is. So it says this is the story. This is the orthodox science story about reality. and if you go there, you're a pseudo-scientist or you are dabbling in the paranormal. And they put para in front of normal because they are seeking to describe a phenomena or phenomena that happens that they can't explain from the orthodox. It's magic to them. Yeah.

So if I can't explain it, it can't be happening. That's the orthodox science mindset. It's easier to blame your own perception. Yeah, exactly. But what you've therefore got, you've got people like Professor Richard Dawkins, who is at Oxford University, has written all these books of lambasting religion. Okay, that's fine. But you're the high priest of your own mate.

because you are limiting exploration into all possibility and all potential in the same way that religions are by calling it the occult. And, you know, those that want to know the truth, they don't want a round of applause or a statue. They just want to know what's going on and what this reality is and how it's controlled and to what end. then they're the ones that are willing to go there and outside the boxes. And of course, when you go there, as I well know, you're going to get massive, really cool condemnation, you're going to be mad and bad and all the other labels that are given to you. But if you care about what's happening rather than what people think of you, then you'll go

anyway. And that's the only way we're really going to uncover what's going on is to have no limit to what we will explore in the very, you know, sense of wisdom is knowing how little we know. So you're all going to keep asking that question. Okay, so what don't I know? And when you do that, it takes you into some far out areas. You won't know. It takes you some far out areas. very, very quickly and people think you're crazy. But as we talked about at the start of our chat here, you can have a choice. You can go with the world, go with the norms because you fear what other people might say if you don't. Or you can go your own way. And if what you say has validity, the world will come to you.

Right. And that's what's been happening. And the world has come towards me for the simple reason that events in the world have started to happen that have made people question the version of the world they had before. And things that you've foretold in a lot of the senses. I want to get back to discussing this interdimensional control system because I think that's a big pill for a lot of people to contemplate and to ponder on, you know, because there are so many different schools of thought, whether they're sort of this entity or this force is benevolent, neutral or malevolent. Like there are all these different schools of thought. but in the sense of this reptilian force that you've talked about and that you've written about so many times, how do you reconcile the non-physical aspect of it with these physical encounters?

What is that? Is this itself instantiating in our own physical to control our decisions? Is it like what's the point of this? Because I've heard the same stories. I've had a lot of people come to me as well and saying, yeah, I saw this person. They, in their words, phase shifted and transformed into like some lizard and looked at them. I was frozen in fear. I couldn't move.

And then they kind of chuckled and walked away. And like these really bizarre, terrifying stories that I'd be frightened of if they happened to me. I fail to see how the two are sort of cooperating. Okay, this could take a while. I'll keep it as brief as I can because there's so many aspects that need to be dot-connected to make sense of it all. First of all, let's start with this. When people think about heaven, or am I going to heaven, they look up, right? it's not like that.

These dimensions of reality share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths. And just like radio and television stations, they share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths, and therefore they don't interfere with each other unless they're close on the dial.

And there's a level of this astral dimension that is very close to this one, and there can be interference, which is where you see things like ghosts and these other paranormal things. So there's first of all, what is this matrix? And what's really become very clear to me as the years have gone on is just how this explosion

of technological advancement of computers and AI and on virtual reality games and stuff, how that is absolutely mirroring. the way we interact with the matrix. Because what I'm saying this simulation is, is an interactive field of information. So it can be so well symbolized by Wi-Fi and a computer. So if I said to people who knew nothing about computers and nothing about Wi-Fi, that in this room was a field of information, which if you get the right kit, you can tap into it,

and it will take that information and it will put it on the screen in a completely different version to how that information exists in the in the in the in the in the in the in the field um people would look at me and go you're freaking mad mate where is it i can't see it well actually you can't see it because you can hardly see anything mate visible light is so tiny it's a joke i don't think that's an accident and um but if i said uh it to people now who know about computers know about wif i They go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about that. Yeah, everyone knows that. Everyone knows that.

Yeah, but what's the difference between your mad, mate? And, oh, yeah, I know about that. Knowledge, that's all it is. And it's a wonderful example of how if you suppress knowledge, you suppress perception of the possible, right? So we've got this field of information and it's interactive. It is affecting us. but we are like posting on the internet.

Our perceptions affect it, which is why they want to keep us asleep, because then we're not expanding our awareness and impacting on the field. So the next question is, okay, so how do we interact with that field of information? And I say that this, and I've been saying this since the 1990s,

that the human body is a biological computer, a biological software. And, you know, we have this idea that the biological is natural and the technological is human made, but how do we know that? What you have to do to know that is to have something that is unquestionably, unimpeachably natural to compare it with. We don't have that. We think we have that, but we don't. And I know from researching these people over, these cultists over, you know, all the decades,

they don't treat the biological as natural. They treat it as an advanced form of technology, which I say the body is. So you've got the body, which is the desktop computer, fantastically more advanced, and you've got the Wi-Fi field of the Matrix, and we are decoding, like a computer, that information into a totally different form that we experience as a physical reality, apparently physical reality. It's not really. And so I'm saying that the body is a biological computer that's decoded the matrix. Now, if I said that to most people, they'd say that's crazy. How can this be a computer? It's a body. Okay. So when's the last time you

thought about breathing? Only when you were out of breath. You know, do you stop and say, okay, hold a second, just stop the conversation a second. I've just eaten something. I've just got to focus and digest it. No, just digest it. Digest it. The body is making and tinkering little changes all the time. You go into a hot room. It will impact on the body to meet that challenge of a hot room. If you're going to a cold place, the opposite will happen. And what I'm saying is that there is also going through the body psychological programs. They are behavioral programs. They are reaction programs. For instance, there's an area at the back of the brain called the reptilian brain, fully enough. I don't think it's funny. I think it's appropriate.

Or the R complex, as some scientists call it. And from that, we get fight or flight. We get the survival instinct. These are psychological responses. So there's a psychological aspect to the biological component. computer. But we are consciousness. Ultimately, we are a state of awareness, a state of being aware. The question is how aware? How far do we expand out into this field of consciousness? The matrix has been created to make sure we don't go very far. And ideally, that the biological

computer program will dictate our behavior, our responses, what have you. And you know, you can, um, you can sit quietly and you can listen to the chatter going through your, your head. You can, you can listen to the, the chatter that's constantly going, the white noise chatter of, um, oh, you know, she said this to me. I'd say this to work. and I said that to her and I'm glad I said that. And all this chatter is going on all the time. But you can observe it. You can observe the chatter.

The question is, what's observing it? Consciousness. The real you is observing the chatter. What's the chatter? It's the program playing out, right? So then I looked at how mainstream science explains how we, experience reality, how we basically interact with reality. And it's through the five senses overwhelmingly.

And what we're doing, the five senses, is they are interacting with a frequency field. I say the frequency field of information, the matrix. And if you go massively beyond, in frequency terms, beyond the walls of the matrix, you enter infinite reality. And that's when you start to see the real thing going on because you're starting to tap in with something outside of the matrix. And that's what we call awakening. True awakening is when we expand our awareness, our consciousness to tap into that level of knowledge, awareness, insight that is beyond the matrix frequency walls. And so we are tapping in through the five senses to this matrix information frequency system.

The five senses turn that frequency information into electrical information. They communicate it to the brain. And there's different parts of the brain that specialize in the different senses. And the brain then forms a sense of reality. and I'm talking now, but there's no words passing between us. What's passing between us is a vibrational feel generated by my vocal cords. It's picked up by your hearing senses and mine. It's turned into electrical information.

It's sent to the brain, and the brain then decodes it into the words we think we're hearing. So even even even even even even we are communicating now with it with a through a vibrational field and all the senses work like this and if you then take what that really means is that although we're sitting here and it appears that we have are sitting in an external reality reality only exists in here doesn't exist out here it seems to be but it doesn't and so once you then realize that there is no physical there is only energy and consciousness of different vibrational frequencies for instance I'm sitting here now and I can see a wall I can see cameras I can see a light I can

see the books and a cabinet. And everything in between those forms appears to me, appears to everyone, to be empty space. So what is form? Einstein said this, among other people. it's energy that has been condensed to a slow enough vibration to be picked up by visible light within the visible light frequency band therefore we can see it everything else between the form appears to be empty space it's not empty it's it's full of energy but it's at a frequency that's outside of visible light. So it appears to us to be, to be, to be, to be empty space. So when you then ask the question, so how come we're experiencing apparently a physical world,

what is it? You then realize, and more and more scientists are now mainstream scientists are beginning to really see this, that actually we're living in a holographic reality. that's going on in here. And when you see the advancement now in our world of holographics, I mean, there's a, in the east of London, there's a show going on all the time of Abba, Abba, when they were younger in their prime,

and they're all holograms. And holographics is becoming more and more prevalent, you see people like Elvis as a hologram doing a duet on the stage with a living Celine Dion for instance that you can see on the internet. So we're moving more and more as technology advances to the very reality that we're experiencing. So if you go on the internet and you put in on a video platform worse than the effect of people going crazy with virtual reality games, you see them. They're in a room like this and it's just a normal room. Then the senses are decoding the matrix into this reality.

Then they put the head cell. even more so with the gloves and the hearing senses. Yeah, you're tricking your senses. Yeah. And in literally seconds, their complete sense of reality is taken over, especially as it become more and more sophisticated. And, you know, people that develop these virtual reality games, they're saying it won't be long before you won't be able to know the difference

between this reality and what they call. simulated reality. You know, the words, simulated reality and simulate reality. Which might mean that we're already in one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I think when you put on a virtual reality headset, you're in a virtual reality with a virtual reality. That's the way I see it. But what you see is this extraordinary capturing immediately of the sense of reality, the sense of perception of people when they put the headset on. And, you know, I've used some of these clips in my talks. And, you know, you have people where there's a woman in one clip.

And she's standing in a room, you know, quite a lot of people in it. Someone's holding her hand or her arm and saying, it's okay, it's okay. You're in a room. It's just a game. She has gone. Because to her, it ain't a game, right? And so now we imagine, because what you can do with a virtual reality game is you can go, just a game.

But if your biological computer is constantly decoding the matrix and delivering to you a sense of reality, which you can interact with and override with consciousness, but otherwise the biological computer is running your life, then from the moment consciousness enters the body, say in the womb, right the way through until the body ceases to function, you're being fed the equivalent of having a headset on your entire life. Not only that, everyone else you're interacting with has got a headset on. I think there's a very good chance you're going to believe that the reality that you are being,

you're having delivered is real. And then you look at death, what is death? Well, we don't die. We can't die when I say the eye, consciousness. but the vehicle, the biological computer at some point ceases to function. When it ceases to function, it ceases to decode the matrix and deliver this reality to you and you are then freed to enter probably the reality we're always in all along in terms of consciousness and that's this astral reality or beyond it.

And you are experiencing something that's totally bloody different to anything you've experienced before or you think you've never experienced it before. And that's where the sort of samsara's wheel comes in. Yeah, yeah. And then you're on the wheel of samsara, as the Buddhists call it, back into this reality on the basis of... Crossing the river of forgetfulness.

Learning lessons to evolve, which is a total scam. So this is something really interesting that I want to touch on because I think this, particularly this subject of the afterlife and why we're here, reincarnation, you know, these are subjects that I think are the oldest things that we've been talking about. This is what religions are made of. It is our greatest fear. It is the deepest question that humans have. you know, there's a lot of contention. I want to get back to the reptilian stuff a little bit later because I do have a lot of questions there

about the physical nature of it and the metaphysical nature of it, but since we're on this subject... What I'm saying on that subject is there is no physical. So we're talking about physicality. Right, but I mean like our perception of physical, yeah. Another dimension.

Sure. But the only difference between the other dimension and what we call physicality is the frequency that they inhabit. Yeah, that it's resonating on. And, you know, it's my view that you can change that frequency. Right. I mean, in many ways, you know, you look at these astral travelers, you know,

Robert Monroe, et cetera, who could project his consciousness into another reality. He's basically projecting himself into another reality within the frequency band of that reality. It's basically in reverse what these reptilian entities are doing. They're able to move between dimensions. So do you think there is a... Because, I mean, are you familiar with the Lucerta files? This interview that happened in like the early 2000s, allegedly in Sweden, between a man and a woman who, you know, claims to be reptilian.

Yeah, I come across that, yeah. Yeah, and so she, I mean, there's a lot of information there, And it's quite interesting because as you gather a lot of this information, it seems to corroborate like what she's been saying, which is, you know, just interesting data points. But she does talk about having like, you know, this control system that they're working with governments are not unlike what you've been talking about as well. But also that there are these like colonies underneath like Asia that exists. I do think that's, I think, you know, when people say, you know, are they physical or are they not physical, I would just say, well, actually all of the above. But they're here. Yeah.

Some are. I'm sure they're within the earth operating within the frequency band of our frequency band, human frequency band. But I say that the real point of reference, the real point of control is actually in this other dimension. Why are they here then? What's the point of being here, you think? Well, I mean, they're not, you know, they're not necessarily all involved in manipulation. I mean, you know, just because something's reptilian doesn't mean it's, you know, evil in its own sense. In and of itself, I'm just saying that this other dimensional level is. But I do think that they are interacting with the human, quote, elite and human science and all that stuff within these very deep dumbs or deep underground military bases all around the world, which tend I would say from what I can gather to open out into areas where these reptilians are. You know, when you look at these underground bases, and you talk to people, like I did a lot in the 90s when I was traveling America, who'd been in those bases, you need a higher security clearance the lower you go down to the point where some were explaining to me how you are weighed in and weighed out to make sure that when you come out, you're not carrying anything you didn't take in. And the deeper you go, the more extreme it becomes until you're into these, you know, cage children and what have you. And, you know, on iconic where we are now, iconic.com, we've had people on, former military people who've talked about interacting with reptilians and grays in these underground.

Working alongside them, yeah. But what I'm saying is that the real point of control is coming from this astral dimension. And I'm not saying that all reptilian entities are, you know, by their very nature of being reptilian, kind of horrible. But the ones I'm talking about and ones I'm exposing who are, you know, generating this agenda. and it's not only reptilian, it's multiple, but reptilian seems to be a dominant form. I say they are deeply, deeply, deeply unpleasant. But the other thing is, whether I'm human or whether I'm not human, my behavior is dictated by my consciousness, my state of awareness, that dictates it.

right and the key to this whole matrix for me this simulation is the consciousness that's behind it not you know entities they're one level of it but what is the consciousness that's dominating and impacting upon the awareness and thus the behavior of those entities what's the consciousness that's impacting upon the behavior and awareness of this global cult, especially its inner circles. And I tell you what I always look for when I've been researching all this. I'm looking for patterns of agreement. It's easy to find patterns of disagreement, but what are the patterns of agreement?

What are the patterns of agreement between people, organizations, religions, ancient stories that would in many other areas disagree, but what do they agree on? And one of the things they agree on very demonstrably is that this reality is being manipulated from the unseen. You could talk about Satan and the demons in Christianity, talk about Satan and the demons in Christianity, talk about Satan and the Jin in Islam. You talk about the archons, Greek for rulers, and the Demiurge or Yoldeuf in the Gnostic belief system,

and in these other areas like the Zulu arena. The Scientology. Yeah, they're talking about the same phenomenon. They just give it different names. Of course they are because they're different, you know, belief systems. They're different cultures. So they'll give them different names. But they're talking about, I would strongly suggest, the same entities.

So for me, if you look at the classic symbol of this global cult, which is like on the dollar bill and the reverse of the great seal of the United States, the all seeing eye and the pyramid. What I'm saying is that all seeing eye is the consciousness that's driving this. You, like I say, the Gnostics call it Yolda Bailoff or the demiurge and it's the devil or it's Satan or it's... The demon. Yeah, you know, all these different names. I say that is a state of consciousness. and it's created a hierarchy which starts out in the astral where you have your

archons and your demons and all that stuff astral entities and it comes down into the human world through this global cult point being that the consciousness is expressed all the way down. And this consciousness is, it's not psychopathic, it's freaking super psychopathic. It's a state of a consciousness state of chaos, upheaval, schism. And it's interesting when you look at the different cultures and how they describe this consciousness, this fake God, if you like. It comes down to words like the foolish one and stuff like that. It's not it's it's it's it's it's it's it's crazy. But if it doesn't matter if it's crazy. I mean a psychopath can be crazy, but it'll still manipulate you. Especially if if the psychopath knows what you don't know, which is the dynamic between

this structure I'm talking about this let's call it this Yelda Beoth consciousness structure and and humanity in general. It's to keep them in ignorant of what they know. Therefore, you can be a moron if you like, but you can still manipulate because you know what they don't know. And keeping that dynamic is absolutely vital. So, and you can so program people

to believe this sense of normal that I'm talking about that when people come along and say, and cover what was going on here and say to people, I mean, I know my own experience. You say to people, this is what they're doing and this is how they're doing it. They go, you're mad, man, you're crazy. Because you've got to keep the target population in ignorance of what you know.

Otherwise, you lose control. The system fails. Yeah. So the way this I'm saying this structure plays out is the overall driver of the whole structure. is this consciousness, which is super psychopathic. And if you look at what's called the hair test of psychopathy, named after the guy who invented it, there's a series of traits,

and if you have enough of them, you are officially a psychopath. Well, right up there is lack of empathy, not being able to put yourself in the feelings of those you're affecting, and a deletion of compassion. Now, you look at this structure of control, and what you're looking at, right the way down the structure, whether it's this archauntic force in the astral

or whether it's the way it plays out into the human world in this global cult, you are looking at super psychopaths. We're speaking now at a time when the United States, and Israel are still bombing the shit out of Iran. And they're not bombing the shit out of the mullahs alone. They're doing it out of the population. And so, you know, the Americans, although, you know, they've tried to change the subject,

but it's been very, very plainly proved that they bombed a school on the first, day of the conflict and killed enormous numbers of kids. Now, you cannot have any measure of empathy and do that because I call empathy the fail-safe mechanism of human behavior. So if I can feel what I'm making you feel, then that's going to affect my what I'll do and how I'll do. And how I'll treat you. If I have no ability to feel empathy or compassion, there are no limits on what I will do. And therefore, as I've exposed for 30 years now, you have Satanism doing these people's Satanism doing sacrifice of children to the gods, why we can come to. They're abusing kids. They're abusing

kids, they're sexually abusing kids, they're violently abusing kids. You cannot do that if you have a smear of empathy. You have to be deleted of it. And so what you have is this consciousness, this state of consciousness, super psychopathic, empathy deleted, compassion deleted consciousness is the driver of this hierarchical structure coming down into the human world. And that's why they do what they do. And the role of this global cult is to impose upon humanity the agenda coming from the astral. And that agenda is for constant ramping up, not least now through technology, the control of humans until this is what we're looking in the face of now. the fusion of humans with artificial intelligence, so artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.

And once it becomes the human mind, i.e., that becomes the human mind, then we're not going to be asking questions like, who am I, where am I? What is this place? Who's running this world? To what end? We're not going to ask those questions.

You think that's the apotheosis moment, the critical mass, the separation from God, the moment of this is the point right it's another controversial thing i don't care um you know the religious god i don't think people realize what they're actually um worshipping um they're worshipping the matrix god thinking it's the god that they think is uh something else if you go if you go beyond the the walls, the frequency walls

of this simulation, which compare with infinity is freaking tiny, grain of sand in a desert. But if you go

beyond it, you start tapping into it, you're tapping into that level of awareness that is beyond the manipulation.

That for me is, if you want to call it God, I don't use the word God, like, that is the real level of expanded awareness. So there is a beyond. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is tiny. Beyond the control. Yeah. I mean, there is a beyond beyond the control system. Oh, absolutely. The control system, this simulation is tiny compared with infinity. Well, what isn't?

So you're tapping into that. And what religion has done is, and I think I've absolutely no doubt over after all these years, religion and the different religions have been created specifically as perception or prison cells, right? you go beyond what Islam tells you, you're an infidel, or you go beyond what Christianity tells you, you're a blasphemer and so on. And they're all the bloody same, right? They keep your people in the box. And once you've got people in different boxes, unquestioning rigid belief systems, then you've got the perfect scenario for the most essential thing of the few controlling the many, which is divided and rule. We're seeing that in Iran now. So you have this god that people think they're worshipping. Now, when you look at the, again, official science

breakdown of the traits of the reptilian brain, it also includes worship. Worship is an aspect of the reptilian brain. Fight or flight, fear is a fear. is a massive aspect of the human brain. What are we told? We're told to fear God. What do you want to fear God for? No God wants fearing. Once you get beyond the matrix, this infinite reality, this infinite consciousness, it doesn't want to be bloody worshipped. What does he want to be worshipped? But for reasons we can come to, this fake God consciousness absolutely wants to be worshipped. And for me, what we've got is a double whammy setup whereby people are perceiving the negative force as the devil or Satan or Yoder Beoff, right? Okay.

But they're worshipping another guise, another disguise of the same. same force, and they're calling it God. This matrix, this simulation is all about duality. It's not about unity, it's about duality. And what they want all the time is to set up dualities. So you can have good and evil. You can have God and the devil. They're all dualities. And dualities are like an electrical circuit. You know, you need two polarities, and then your circuit's set up and there's polarities everywhere. I mean, Islam is a polarity to Christianity. Islam is a polarity to Judaism. Over the years, Judaism has been a polarity to Christianity and so on and so forth. There's dualities everywhere in this society because that's how the

matrix works. And so we, I would say that you've got people fearing the devil and it's the cult, don't go there, and you've got people fearing God. But it's actually the same entity. So it's been set up and it's been set up for one simple reason, the many, many other reasons, but one major reason, and that is to vampire low vibrational energy that we give off in states of emotion and states of thought. And so if you are this schismatic, chaotic state of consciousness, you cannot absorb the frequency coming off people. This is mainstream science.

We give off frequencies all the time. We call them vibes. Oh, got bad vibes off him. Yeah, because they're giving off a frequency, which you can feel. And so you have this emotion and these thought patterns that go off in the way of frequency. But if you are feeling joy and love and harmony and balance and peace, that is not a frequency that a chaotic. state of consciousness can absorb, it needs a frequency that relates to its state of frequency.

And that relates to fear. It relates to conflict, war, suffering, deprivation, all of these things. So what you've got is this consciousness in its state of being that feeds off human energy. and this hierarchy of entities and down into the human world, the global cult, their job is to generate events in human perception, human reality, that stimulate and trigger those low vibrational states of being. So, so, so, so, so Lush is always, as Robert Monroe called it, is always on tap. And of course, you look through what, what is known human history, or what we think is known human history. What do you see? First of all, the few have always controlled the many.

And secondly, it's, it's endless war, deprivation, suffering and what have you, and look around the world today. And the depiction of that fear is, often a reptile, like, uh, physical being. Like you have, you know, the Naga, but quetzokadal, you have all these different, you know, instantiations of even Carl Jung. You'd mention Carl Jung. His universal archetype for fear was the snake. Yeah. You know, and, you know, it leads me to believe that like the psychological image we have of fear is just being projected in a physical manner, much like everything we witness today. It isn't necessarily a reptile that we're seeing,

but we're seeing what we perceive fear to be in some of these senses. Yeah. If we go back to this, you know, what you believe, you perceive, what you perceive your experience, then anything becomes possible in terms of how we manifest reality in relation to our perception of reality. You know, I mean, it's like, again, you know, if you look back in terms of ancients, they talked about fairies. They talked about the little people. And now it's a psychological perception. In the more modern world, we talk about...

We had airships in the end of the 1800s, you know, or cities floating before we could conceive of a flying saucer. These were instantiations of things that we could relate to. Yeah, and I think that these entities in the astral, they can manifest any way they want. They're using kind of the subconscious. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can perceive them in any way that they want to project. Right. And I guess, you know, as you move through what we call time, what we call time,

and things change, then the way you're projecting yourselves will change as well, in the way that people will then literally decode you into a sense of reality. Interesting. You know, talking about lusch and this sort of, I don't even know what to call it, whether it's whatever sustenance this negative vibration brings to this control, this negative control system. You know, there are also stories. Are you familiar with Dr. Michael Newton? Yes, yes, yes. And so, you know, he has books, Journey of Souls was, you know, the famous one and there are, you know, other derivatives of that same study where, you know, he spoke to a lot of people. being hypnotically regressed into not only past lives,

but what seems to be something that he'd map out, this life between life thing. Yeah, yeah. Where, you know, you would come back, you would then remember, oh my gosh, how vain I was in this life, and you'd kind of come to, and then go through these, like you said, these life lessons. You would learn about the next incarnation

and sort of sit at these readthroughs and choose your next life before you were sent back down. And you know, he had thousands. I think he did up to 5,000 individual sessions throughout his lifetime. How do you make sense of that? Is that too part of some trickery that we're being given? Well, yeah. I mean, okay, so again, on this sequence of, okay, so what's the next thing that I don't know?

And once I had concluded just after the turn of the millennium, I'd been thinking about it for years before, but really was, be crossed my line that i'm sure of it that this is a a simulated reality um that when i started understanding that actually this simulation has other levels was when i thought okay so i've i'm banned from a lot of countries now but um before that i was i traveled widely in since 1990. I must have been to 60-odd countries in my life. And what you see, increasingly in the West now, is that most people aren't having a good time in Africa, in South America, Central America, in Asia, they're trying to survive another day or another week or whatever in very challenging circumstances. what does that produce ladies and gentlemen oh lusch um and so my thought was okay i can i can get that consciousness

could be manipulated into this reality once but when you when the body ceases to function and you're released from this reality um why the hell would you come back because most people people will not have had a good time. And they'd think, well, this is a shitty place. I'm not coming back here. But they do. Because by that time, I was totally convinced that reincarnation is real, though I have a different explanation for it.

And what I see again and again lessons in these near-death experiences, yeah. Now, this is an interesting thing with a near-death experience, because you would have noticed when the ones you've read that where they talk about the fact that they were told that they have to go back because they have a mission on earth that this never freaking explained at least most of the time and and if you pass this threshold which is symbolized in various ways you can't go back the river of forgetfulness yeah now they do come back to tell their story so what's on the other side of the threshold that if they pass into it. it, they can't come back in this life.

And I don't think that's anything like what near death experiences are led to believe is what this is all about once you get into this wheel of samsara and start to come back. Because if you are feeding

of human energy, consciousness basically, then if people are leaving and going, I ain't going back there, then you're going to run out of people. But they don't. And the reason is this reincarnation cycle.

And what I found interesting when I've looked at these near-death experiences is how the dynamic of perception is the same as it is here. Because most people, they will look towards. authority to tell them what to do, to tell them what to think. They'll look at scientists to tell them what to think about reality, doctors tell them what to think about health and all this stuff, all the system. Even in the afterlife. Yeah, they looked at it. But then when you follow these near-death experiences, this is an interesting thing where they leave the body and they say, I've never felt love like it. It was blissful. And you go. And you go. So, but you believe in reincarnation now?

Oh, yeah. So why, why is it new to you? It's because, as I've talked to people who have this memory, it's very, again, very compelling common themes. They have a kind of retained memory of coming in to this reality and passing through some kind of very powerful electromagnetic field, which basically, makes their mind a blank sheet of paper when they come in. So when they leave the body, that state of awareness is still there.

That's why they say, I'd never felt anything like, experienced anything like it before. Because to their mind, they haven't. But then they go up the tunnel. And what appears again and again, first of all, we're prepared in this reality. to symbolize or equate the light with God. So when we leave the body, it's like there's a light, I'm going to the light, it's God.

You'll see, as they describe, spirit guides, loved ones sometimes. They will see their religious hero, if they're religious, they'll see elders, people in long gowns and with long beards And what's that all about?

Oh, because we're prepared here to perceive wisdom as wizened old people, you know, like, you know, with beards and what have you, and cloaks. And so what, when you listen and watch these near death experiences, they are mesmerized by authority in the astral as they're mesmerized by authority here. It's like, I know nothing. So I've got to look to an authority figure to tell me what's going on, to tell me what to think. And if your consciousness has been wiped on the way in and he's still wiped on the way out, then you are going to look to authority figures, aren't you? That's why it's so important in my view anyway that we understand the nature of the trap while we're still in a human body so that when we leave,

we don't fall for the game. And the Buddhists have this belief that the best opportunity of getting out of the matrix, what I call the matrix, into infinity, is immediately after you leave the body. And the other thing interestingly is, They say that what you have to do is beyond the wheel of samsara, learning these lessons. But when you reach a state of enlightenment, you can get out of the wheel of samsara.

What is a state of enlightenment? It's expanded awareness. It's a self-identity with the true eye, consciousness, infinite, infinite consciousness and an end to self-identification, thus perception, with the phantom self-eye, which is either I'm a human, we're not, we're having a human experience briefly, or the soul eye in the astral, whatever, you lose that, you go beyond it, you realize that you're just a state of awareness, ultimately infinite awareness. And that changes your frequency state that the matrix can't hold you anymore.

This is the way I see it. And if you stay within the matrix perceptual realm, which is either I am human or I am a soul who has to learn lessons, by reincarnating, you'll stay in the Matrix. There's a book by an author called Lawrence R. Spencer. And in this book, he apparently, he speaks to through letters to this lady named Matilda McElroy, who claims that she had interactions with a being in part of the Roswell crash, and that this being imparted all this knowledge onto her. Yeah, I've seen that.

Yeah, about this being sort of a prison planet. Yeah. That this is like the place where they send all the, you know, the worst sort of souls or consciousness, you know, beings too, in order to keep them sort of imprisoned here. This guy also turned out to be, you know, a Scientologist. Yeah. See, I don't go with that. Yeah. I think people have been trapped here. But there are some similar.

There are similar themes, but I think they've been trapped here by once you enter this matrix, it's like putting the headset on. Right. You're just being tricked. Your perceptions start to be overwhelmed by being basically hijacked and hijacked in a way that lowers your frequency and you're within the wall. of the matrix, the frequency walls of the matrix, and it's the awakening process. Most importantly, in my view, the self-identity awakening from I Am Human, I Am Ethel on the checkout, Bill

driving the bus, to I am all that is, has been, and ever can be, having a brief human experience. That is a completely different frequency that you are operating on. Because as you expand your self-identity, you're expanding your frequency, you're expanding your consciousness deeper and deeper into the field. And that's what we call awakening. And if you self-identify with being human or self-identify with the wheel of samsar or got to learn lessons, you'll stay within the matrix. That's my view anyway. Do you think you're ever coming back? Only by choice. By choice. Yeah. And I, um, I, I can't work out, mate, why I chose this one.

But I did. That's a question. There must be a very good reason for it. You've probably come back a few times, not just the ones, right? Yeah. Well, the thing is, the thing is, we have a perception of reality based on the matrix constantly feeding us a sense of reality. But when you're outside of the. matrix. Your sense of reality is totally different. So you'll see that people are trapped in,

or souls are trapped within this, this fake reality. And you also realize that going in for a human life and coming out is not that. It's not that. There is no time anyway. It's just an illusion as well, but illusion of the matrix of the simulation. But the time we're here, which in our perception is like three score years and ten or whatever, when you're outside the matrix, it's not even that. So the decision to come in and try to make a difference might not be that big. Looks very different out there than it does here. Like you're going, why did I bother?

Like, you know. So you think you would come? back in in what capacity to keep helping people and getting them to realize they're in a matrix and sort of expand their awareness so that they too can leave? I guess that's the idea. I mean, when I look at my life, that that seems to have been a reason I came up in this time because you know, I went through my life until 1990 and then all hell broke loose. My life completely changed and the synchronicity of my life completely changed. And it's very clear that for whatever reason, I've come to do this.

And whether I would come back, well, I guess you'd look at it and you go, is it worth it? You know, is there a chance? You know, if you've got AI human fusion and AI is telling people what to think, well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's time for a rethink. Don't you think they would prevent you from coming back? I don't think they can. Really? No. The thing is, you know, people say, where's God or whatever? You know, why isn't God intervening? But, you know, we are in a, in such a frequency, a low frequency field, that anything that comes in

would be affected by that field. So the challenges for us to awaken and therefore frequency expand to connect with what people call God. but it's it's not the religion god it's a state of all possibility a state of all potential which which we are constantly on an infinite journey of exploring forever forever um interacting with all possibility with our perception of possibility and and experiencing what that manifests um it's um what we're in is such a limited, a limited place that's designed to be limited.

But we can, we can go beyond it. We don't have to be, we don't have to submit to that limitation. We just are constantly giving a story that says limitation is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, for of life. For instance, what are the laws of physics? They're the laws encoded in the matrix. You know, if you're putting together a computer game, the creator of the game is encoding into the game, the limits of the game and how the game is played and what you can do and what you can't do. And that's playing out through the biological computer. But with consciousness, which is ultimately limitless in its potential,

if it just remembers its true nature, I can override that process. You can make things happen that the laws of physics are supposed to prevent. For instance, you know, when you expand your awareness through expanding yourself identity and you start tapping into that infinity of awareness and possibility beyond the matrix. The matrix itself, by its very nature, is a field of limited possibility. So while we're interacting only with the matrix, we are interacting with a sense of limited possibility. Thus we appear to have limited potential to do things.

But once you tap into that, reality, that literally infinite possibility, infinite potential, beyond the matrix field, then the only limit you have on what you can manifest is what you can imagine manifesting. And on that subject of imagination, there was a fantastic comedian called Bill Hicks, who came some of the southern states of America originally. He died, I think he was the age of 33 in the 1990s, far too early, because he took a lot of substances, right? And as a result of that, he had experiences. He realized what an illusion this was. And he said this, this, this, this, this,

this wonderful quote that he used to say at the end of his shows, if I can remember it now. He used to say, life is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, round and round.

It has thrills and chills and chills. And it's very brightly colored and it's very loud. And it's fun for a while. But some have been on the ride for a long time. and they begin to question, is this real? Or is this just a ride? And others have remembered and they come back to us and they say, hey, don't be afraid ever because this is just a ride.

And we kill those people. Shut him up. I've got a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my forer as a worry in my big bank account. This has to be real. It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys to try to tell us that and let the demons run amok.

But it doesn't matter because it's just a ride. and we can change it any time we want. No job, no savings of money, just a choice right now between fear and love. And another great line, he said, he talked about, we are the imagination of ourselves. And if I could encapsulate the conspiracy in one line,

it is to hijack humanity's image. imagination of itself. Because if you can hijack our imagination of ourselves, our perception of self, you hijack our interaction with the field and what we manifest. So little me manifests a life of little me, not because you are little me, you are all that is has been and ever can be having a brief human experience. But your perception of little me will give you a little me experience of life. And that's what they want. They want us in a limited state of awareness, a limited state of imagination, and thus a limited state of experiential manifestation. It seems like it's some type of, because if I was a programmer making a video game, I would want the video

game. You know, you'd stress test it. You would have to to make it optimal. You would have to introduce viruses, you would have to introduce chaos, introduce variables that are out of your control because the end user who's going to be playing it wants to have a seamless experience. And so in order to get there, it's really valuable to introduce chaos and have these things happen. Do you think that that might be why we're being introduced with chaotic events and why this is so hard and so difficult and full of all of these negative things. Like, couldn't that just be a way of stress testing reality for whatever's next? Like, is that not a possibility that, because we do learn from trials, you know, it's, we don't learn when everything goes according to plan and when we

have all the possibilities of manifestation at our fingertips, we learn from when we don't. And, you know, we have to walk through the mud arduously to, to get something. And that's where we feel, feel fulfilled. And, and so isn't the, isn't the idea that. Isn't the idea that, that not necessarily the lessons, but that this is hard on purpose for a good reason and not just for a bad. Is that a possibility that you entertain? Well, that's what the whole reincarnation cycle is supposed to be about. I don't buy that at all. And, you know, we are an expression of all that is, has been, and ever can be. And so if you, if you, hold your attention and self-identity in a myopia of self-identity, like I'm a human or I'm just a soul and learn lessons,

then it seems a certain way you think, oh, I've got to experience these things to evolve. That's the whole story of the world of samsora. But if you expand your awareness deeper and deeper into the infinite field to the point where you become what I call infinite awareness in awareness of itself, you have the awareness that you are all awareness. So I'm with you. Right. I'm with you there. Yeah. What is there to?

But I mean for the entities that are controlling it. What is there to learn? Right. What is there to learn? Like, why are they doing it is what I'm saying? Is, like, is loose, like, food to them? Or is it, yeah. Or is it something like they're just sort of stress testing this reality in order for some other, you know, agenda that they might have for this reality?

Like, what is the purpose of them creating these negative interactions or feeding off? Like, how do they feed off? Is it actual food? Or is it energy? Or is it keep the lights on? No, it's energy. It's literally energy. You know, um,

on that subject, in the early 1990s, it's a long time ago now, when I was putting together this global cult, that it's now breaking news, I realized that people I was looking at and investigating were taking part both in, and this is the early 1990s, in satanic ritual, including human sacrifice ritual, often children. and what we now call paedophilia, what we called paedophilia. So the whole foundation of this cult in the human realm is paedophilia and Satanism.

And so the question I had was obviously, what? What? Why? the loose thing would come and explain it. But I did then look at the ancients and how they were sacrificing people to the gods for a gift to the gods. And then you realize that, you know, we talk about pantheons of gods.

So you have the Greek pantheon and the Egyptian pantheon and the Roman pantheon. But what you find is that all these different ancient societies, all had pantheons of gods. I mean, in Hinduism, they still do. There's thousands of them. And so what I kind of realized was these gods that they were doing the sacrifices to in what we call the ancient world were the same gods, same entities, astral entities that they're doing now. But the difference is it was acceptable then. to do it openly, and now it's not, so it's done in secret. And I've talked to Satanists all over the world,

and some of which have experienced some of these major bloody rituals involving these elite people. And they tell the same story of how these people, these Satanists, are interacting with this astral dimension. and they are conducting the ritual to generate maximum terror in the victim. Because a terror is a very powerful low vibrational energy. And, you know, if I look at you now and you're in an emotional state, I can see from your facial expressions and your body language, you're in an emotional state, but I can't see the energy coming off you.

I'm saying that's going into the astral. Right, they can see it. So these entities are overseeing these rituals, and they're feeding off that energy coming off the victim. This is the gift to the gods that the ancients talked about. And the body has this response to terror that puts an adrenaline in the blood. And that's adrenachrome, these people drink. And these Satanists or former Satanists have told me,

you know, when they drink this, this adrenachrome, it's like, it's like, it's a drug, it's like an elixir, it gives them a high, you know. And these, all these, uh, stories about what goes on in Washington with adrenachrome and what have you, uh, both parties. So you think Lush is, is, these sort of interdimensional beings version of adrenochrome? It is how they get high. Yeah. Well, yeah, but it's also a form of sustenance. Right, I see. Keeps the lights on. Yeah. So if you're getting empowerment from this, well, I mean, think of the First World War, Second World War, what's going on in Iran as we speak, what's gone on since October the 7th in Gaza, look at all the suffering, look at all the fear, or look at all the anxiety and depression that encompasses the planet. And you see the amount of this energy that there is to empower them.

And then they kind of recycle that power back in a form of control. And so the more that we fall into these low vibrational states. And if you're in Iran now, you're going to fall into a low vibrational state. Right. The more we're empowering them, but we don't have to. And there's a counter to that? the counter that you propose is, is just like quite the opposite, is spread empathy and sort of expand your awareness.

And also to, or just to not come back. To not, not just talk about being expanded awareness and self-identifying conceptually as expanded awareness but to live it to not identify with being human to know that what we call human is an experience

it's not you and what that tends to do certainly happen to me and happen to people as we've been through it as well is you take a step back and you start to observe the world rather than getting pulled into the drama because all the time what's happening is our attention, energy flows where attention goes, our attention is being hijacked and it's being hijacked by drama. Look at this. Oh, isn't that terrible? Oh, my God. Oh, what about that? Oh, my God. All the time. Trump is a drama queen, extraordinary. You turn on the internet. What's the silly sod done today? So it's all done.

drama. All surrounding Trump is drama. Perfect frontman for him. But when you, you start to self, not just self-identify, but live the fact that you are consciousness, not the human, that's the vehicle, takes an experience, you are the consciousness having the experience. You, you start to observe. And you take, because the first thing that happens when you get into a emotional state, you should stop thinking straight. But if you just become the observer, it doesn't mean you don't care, no, no. And it doesn't mean you're not taking it all in. You're taking it in better than ever before because the drama's not taking away your ability

to think straight. But you're observing it. You're taking in the information. But you're not getting pulled in emotionally. You're not getting pulled in emotionally in the same way. So you're not being driven by it. you're not being loose driven by the drama. You're observing it.

And you find an equilibrium even in the face of madness that you didn't have before. And I tell you, that's a great place to be. Do you, like I've had half a dozen out of body experiences in the last few years through meditation. Yeah.

Where I'll be honest, as a magician, I didn't really believe in these things prior to having them myself. I've lucid dreamed before and I thought that's what people might be experiencing until I had it happened and I knew it was much much different, objectively different than a lucid dream. And it kind of changed my perception of what reality was, you know, seeing myself lying there and kind of, you know, being very terrified at what I was experiencing. It since threw me down this path of meditation where I meditate daily and I, I, I try to keep up with it, is have you ever had some type of experience, some type of out-of-body

experience or event that would have sort of rocked your world in that same way? Well, a couple of things. First of all, just very quickly, because you've mentioned it, what I've just described is like having a lucid dream. You know, you know when you have a dream and you are in the dream, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, You get emotional and your mind is responding to the dream. But you know you have these other dreams where you're in a dream, but you know it's a dream. Now your emotions are not the same because you're observing the dream because you know it's a dream. And that's basically what I'm talking about.

You're observing this reality. You know it's a dream. And therefore it doesn't pull you in like if you believe the dream is real. Anyway, well, I was writing a book in 2002, about 9-11. It was called Alice in Wonderland in the World Trade Center disaster. And I said to my friends, if I'm going to go on beyond this, I've got to somehow get out there, not get out there in some dream, but get out there in some way that I'm consciously aware of where I am.

And just after that, I got an invitation to go to the rainforest in Brazil to take ayahuasca. And I could have taken it four times. I took it twice. The first night was interesting enough. About two hours I was in this other state of awareness. But, you know, kind of a mild other state of. awareness. In the the next night it took more and for five hours this voice took a female form was explaining to me about the nature of reality. It was extraordinary and after it I had recall of it

and I came back to Britain and started looking at you know various scientific disciplines to to see if it kind of matched up. And I realized that these different scientists at difference, it's that only freaking talk to each other. I've already sussed a lot of it. But they don't talk to each other. This has got a bit, that's got a bit, that's got a bit, that's got a bit, that stuff.

And the other thing that, so in that five hours, I basically was given chapter and verse on the illusory nature of this reality. Was this a familiar voice? Not really, but it was very powerful. Was it stern? No. No, it's very loving, very, very pleasant.

I mean, it opened up. It said, we're going to take you to where you come from so you can better understand where you are. That was the opening line. And it took me to this, well, it sort of opened up, this extraordinary sight of, if I can describe something as black but brilliant, it was brilliant blackness. It was extraordinary. And this voice was saying, this is the infinite. it's this is basically all possibility right it's that level which i now call infinite awareness and

awareness of itself and um that's where you come from and that's where you'll return to and uh then it started explaining how um we we get trapped in this perceptual trap of believing we're not that when we are. It was confirming what you had already yeah, we would already thought, we already, the conclusion you would already come to. Yeah, well, there was a lot, there was a lot more in that five hours

than I concluded up to that point. There was. And anyway, the other thing is that whenever I've tried to meditate, I've fallen asleep, right? That's okay. But what happened immediately after this kicked off in 1990, when I went through some extraordinary experiences of a paranormal nature, is that I would then start having, still have them now, absolutely coma sleeps.

Often in the middle of the day, actually, not at night. I do have coma sleeps at night, but the most powerful ones, for some reason during the day, I'll just become overwhelmed by tiredness out of nowhere. And I have to lie down. And maybe it'll be an hour. I'll be asleep. But when I wake up, it can be half an hour before I fully wake up. That's how deep it is.

I'll tell you a funny story. I was in a hotel. Well, no, not relatively recently, maybe two years ago. And I'm in a coma sleep, right? And the fire alarm went off. The fire alarm went off. And there's somebody with me who said, it was unbelievable because it was so freaking loud this fire alarm.

And everyone's running, rushing to move and get downstairs. and you don't move. You're totally, like, gone. And what happened eventually is the fire alarm stopped and it was a false alarm. But I slept all the way through it. And I didn't wake up until the next morning, right? So this is how deep these things are. The point of saying this relationship to your question is that when I wake up,

I know something. You think it's like a download? Yeah. It's like I know something. I don't know at that point what I know. I know. I know something. And then it just filters through to the conscious mind and you with insights and what have you. You know. That's interesting. Because I've always said that too about meditation, which is, you know, for people who, again, this is not something I was into prior to. And I always thought I was bad at it. Because I'd also fall asleep, which I learned to just kind of embrace. If I fall asleep, I fall asleep. It's bad. Yeah, yeah. But what I found was. was really interesting is that I can go into a room that is absent of any stimulant, completely dark, no phones, no books, no light. And I come out of that room knowing more than I did when I walked in. Yeah, yeah. You tell me where that comes from. Well, I think what happens is your consciousness expands and it taps in to those levels that are beyond the matrix and therefore you're tapping

into an awareness that is overwhelmingly not available here and and the idea is that from that from that understanding through that connection you then communicate it in in in in this reality That's been going on now since 1990 with me. I've had some extraordinary coma sleeps that, like I say, it can take half an hour to wake up. You know, you open your eyes and you realize you're waking up, but it's another half an hour before you can actually get up. And you feel like during those times, that's when you're having some type of... Download. Yeah.

It does feel like a download, yeah. Do you think your memory is being purposely wiped during that time? Like maybe you did have a very vivid sort of experience that was taken from you. Yeah, quite possible. I mean, I have a vivid dreams, but the most powerful exchange of information I feel is in these coma sleeps, definitely. One thing that I did want to get back to, however, was some of these cases, because I find them really fascinating. as much as I'm fascinated by the otherworldly sort of, you know, transcendental reality and, and this, this illusory sort of dimension that we're a part of. And I think I'm, you know, I'm there.

I think it's really interesting. I'm also equally as fascinated with, like, encounters, with physical beings. I think it's just the storyteller in me is just really attracted to this. Can you tell me of some, some of these stories that were given to you, or maybe even personal encounters that put you a little bit more over the edge with, oh, this is an actual physical phenomenon we're dealing with in terms of these beings, sort of interacting with people. Do you have any story that comes to mind? Well, I mean, the thing that really got me on the road of there is no physical in terms of these entities was shape-shifting.

I like I say it was in 1996 I went to America I've been to America before but this was the first time on to these subjects and I was traveling around talking to nobody but I was meeting people and like I say in 15 days I met 12 different people that told me about the shape shifting phenomena and then it started because the way I work is when something comes to me that is like new or far out, I'll, unless my previous research has shown me that actually it's not, it's nonsense. I won't dismiss it. I'll put it on the back burner, as I say, and I'll just let it simmer away. And I'll see if anything else comes. Well, it did over and over again. I've talked to so many people over the years who've had this shape-shifting experience.

And again, you come back to normal, normal perception, and that's impossible. You can't go from a physical human to a physical non-human. And, you know, no one agrees with that more than me. You can't. But the point is it's not physical. So if I'm looking at you, because these entities, they seem to have a dual information. field. Hybrids.

They have a human field and they have a non-human field. And absolutely for obvious reasons, within our reality, it's the human field that is presented at the world. So if you're a hybrid and you've got a non-human field, when I look at you, I am decoding your human field. So if you are, as I am, a field of information. And I am decoding that field like Wi-Fi in a computer into a visual and apparently physical, but really holographic reality.

and if that non-human field stays in the background, then that's what I see. But there are times, certainly this has been explained to me so many times in the rituals, in the satanic rituals where they go freaking crazy in some of them, then there is this shift. and it's been explained to me not least by people who've experienced it, how they've seen people, including members of the British royal family, by the way, shift from a human into a non-human form, like a reptilian form, in the ritual, especially when all the blood and gore is going on.

It's like they, that is, that generates this shift and also when people are in a high emotional state, there can be a shift. I'll tell you a story that was told to me by, it was in Canada, actually. Where was I speaking? Vancouver. And I did this talk and I was introduced the whole reptilian stuff and stuff and stuff. And the guy who organized it said, I want you to talk to this lady afterwards because she's got an interesting story. And she was like a businesswoman, a power dressing businesswoman who, you know, ran a company and everything.

And she told me of a story where she had this boyfriend. And she said he was nice enough, but he had a dark side. And he knew he had a dark side. he said she said and what happened was they came into the bedroom one night to have sex like and she said your book the biggest secret which came out in 1997 was on the shelf next to the bed and he saw it and he went ape shit basically about how ridiculous it was that she was reading crap like that right So anyway, they start having sex and she's telling me this story. And she's shaking, actually visibly shaking what she's telling me the story.

And she said, she had a, she put a hand on his back, his lower back, while he's kind of on top of him. And she said, I felt my hand push away. She said, I looked over his shoulder. He said, and he, he'd sprouted a freaking tail, right? So she screamed, threw him off the bed, and he's a reptilian now, but then it quickly just reverted to human. And she threw him out of the house. And stories like that have been told to me all over the world.

And what they're doing is when the non-human field becomes the dominant one, you start reading that, you start decoding that. So to the observer, someone has gone from a solid human body to a solid non-human body. That's not what's happened. It's all going on in the decoding systems of the observer. And thus, you're not shifting from solid to solid. You're shifting from energetic field to energetic field, which we are decoding into the appearance of a solid field becoming a solid field. Have you ever met someone who you suspected to be

non-human? Oh, a few times. Really? Yeah, a few times. It's just my view. I think there are, the major players in this global cult, I say they're hybrids. The royal families, I say are hybrids. And you know when they talk about royalty into breeding with itself and aristocracy interbreeding with itself why is it that royal bloodlines have always been perceived as special? Why have they been perceived as having a right to rule,

the divine right to rule? I think it's because they are human reptilian hybrids or human, non-human hybrids anyway. And I think the British royal family are. I've talked to enough people who've had interactions with them to convince me that's absolutely the case. The Dutch royal family, I mean, oh dear, don't start me. So, and what happened eventually is that humanity reached a state of maturity where it started to reject rule by human, sorry, royal dictat, royal inheritance.

And then they brought in politics. And politics is just another way for people to give their power away to the control system. You know, you vote for this party, you vote for that party, you vote for that party. And so the wheel of, or the Eddie goes on going round. Basically, if we united, put it down the fault lines of divide and rule and realize that we have a common threat and we need to come together, well, it will be over because there's not enough of them compared with tolling population. But we don't do that because we're divided and ruled and not least politically and through religion and what have you. And so you have a, you have this situation where the few ruled, now it's politicians on behalf of those deep in the shadows. But for a long time, still in this country, of course.

And in your country too, Canada, you have this royal family where they incessantly interbreed with each other. And when the royalty started to fade because people rejected it and these bloodlines, these hybrids went into politics and they went into the dark suit professions of finance and what have you. And all these eastern, what do they call them, eastern seaboard families who marry not for love often, but for genetics. and they have their love on the side, just like now King Charles married Princess Diana for genetics, but had the lady now, the queen, going on all along at the same time,

because that's where he wanted to be, not with Diana. And funny enough, it was, When would it be? 1997, 97, 98, after Diana died in the Paris Tunnel, the Pont Delma Tunnel in Paris. I was invited to the House of Lords in London, Houses of Parliament, to speak with a few people, very few people, handful of people, lords and what have you, who were kind of more. open. And there was a lady there and she started talking about Diana and Diana's

accident, shall we say, wasn't. And afterwards I said to her, how do you know all that? She said, well, my friend was Diana's best friend for nine years, right? She said, I think she'll talk to you. So maybe a week later, we met, I've still got the conversation on a reel-to-reel audio tape somewhere. And by this time, I'd had that experience of the 15 days and the 12 people that told me in different parts of America about this, their shape-shifting experience. And anyway, and one of other things that happened as well, but I hadn't told her. I said nothing about, I'd not produced a book about it or anything at the time.

I said a word to this lady and she starts talking she was her best friend for nine years or one of her best friends and she was like an alternative healer she used to work at something called the whole clinic near Regent's Park in London Diana used to go to her right

and actually she told me one thing that what this lady called friendly people at MI5 used to leave messages at her clinic to be given to Diana when she came, because all very surreptitious. And one of the messages was that she was, they were planning to kill her in a car accident. No way.

Yeah, there was. Yep, absolutely. And her butler later, it was named Borrell, his name was, then said that she told him the same, right? But I got it from this lady. So anyway, where she's talking and, you know, she told me about Jimmy Saville, the mega pedophile who was in the inner circle of the British Royal family. And he was put in there well known by a guy called Lord Mountbatten, who was a known pedophile, a mentor to Prince Philip and Prince Charles. and Jimmy Saville, this is why he was allowed to do what he did all those decades,

was a procurer of children for the rich and famous, and here he is in the bosom of the British Royal family. Just extraordinary stuff. Anyway, she's chatting away and going on and stuff, and then she told me that Diana used to call the British people, used to call the British royal family the lizards and the reptiles. She used to say they're not human, right? And so I played the idiot because I'd all this stuff,

I'd started coming across all this stuff, I played the idiot. I said, what do you mean, reptiles? What are you talking about? And she said, you know, the royal family are hybrids. They're part human, part reptilian, right? And she told me the story. And she said, it's interesting, she said, even a lot of the people,

a lot of the followers, you know, even quite close to them, have no idea who they are, right? And I've come across other people, because what I'm doing all the time is trying to cross-reference what one person has told me

to another people have told them. And I've come across people who've been at rituals with the royal family and how they've shape-shifted. And I, quote in the biggest secret how this lady, this nine-year friend of Diana, describes the royals, the queen, and the queen mother, who was supposed to be the nation's grandmother. Oh, what a lovely lady. Oh, God, she was, she gave evil a bad name, that woman.

She described what they look like in their shape-shifted state, in their reptilian state. And I've come across other people who have taken part in their rituals and described the same thing. How they watch the queen in the adrenochrome stage go absolutely freaking wild. Start ripping at the flesh of the sacrifice. So, you know, and again, at different parts of the world, I've talked to other people who've taking part in these rituals, and it's the same kind of story. And what they're doing in the rituals is interacting with this other dimensional force, this, this, this pantheon of gods, if you like, just as the ancients were.

Do you think some of that's happening with what we're seeing in the Epstein files and Yeah, definitely. Is that an extension of that or is that directly? Yeah, definitely. Rettillion behavior. The thing about the Epstein files, I used to, in my books, I wrote a book called the Perception Deception, which includes massive research about the very detailed research about the royal family and Jimmy Saville and all that stuff. And I described Saville as a gateway to the cesspit in the sense that, you know, this stuff. you know, this stuff, this Satanism and paedophilia, that's also about energy vampiring, that is,

is the foundation. It's like the cement that holds this global cult together. But it's done in enormous secrecy for obvious reasons, and it's fiercely compartmentalized. So most people in the secret societies have no idea this is happening. But every now and again, there's examples that come to light that are kind of gateways to the cesspit.

If you go deeper and through it, you enter the whole story. And Jimmy Saville was very much a gateway to the cesspit. But the Epstein thing is too. You know, people say that the Epstein network was the biggest pedophile network in the world. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't.

It was one aspect of the global web that actually has come to light, just like the Sable thing did. And so they will have been into all that stuff just as the Sable and the royal family were. But what the Epstein files have done, those we've seen so far, anyway, and Trump's in this to up to his neck, is take away some of the layers of collective programming that would normally go, what? No chance. That's not happening. But because of the nature of the files and the emails and the interactions, it's taken away

a lot of that resistance. so more and more people are looking at it and going, well, actually, it does look like it's real, you know? And going, yeah. David was right. Yeah, well, yeah, that's been a good thing in the sense that they will then look at other stuff that I'm saying and go, well, maybe that's not as crazy either, you know, and you start. Because, you know, I'm not someone who wants to be a leader.

who wants to be someone, you know, standing there saying, you know, this is what we must do and you must follow me. I'm not interested in any of that crap. I'm just interested in putting out information that people wouldn't normally get and saying, you make of it what you will. What's happened is events in the world have got people to look at it, the information in another light, because it's so confirmatory of what I was saying long ago and they were dismissing and ridiculing me for. So it's very interesting times about where it goes.

But we are in a bit of a race because, you know, I said about Trump when he was running in the election campaign. I got so much shit from MAGA and MAA. Maga supporters and Trump supporters for saying, look, he's a con man, he's a fraud, he's having you on, it's not going to be like that. He's telling what you want to hear. One of the things I said was, A, he's not going to be what you think he is. And two, while he's trashing the present system, he's going to be facilitating the rapid expansion of the AI digital control system. So what you have with Trump, from the start, is he's surrounded by the AI oligarchs,

by Musk, by Peter Thiel, by Mark Andresen, by David Sachs, by Sam Altman, by Larry Ellison, all these people. I mean, his vice president is pretty much friends with all these people. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, Peter Thiel of Palantir has funded J.D. Vance's basically entire career. And, you know, it was interesting when in the run-up to the Republican convention that nominated Trump to run in the election, what, 2024, there was a series of people that were made. mentioned in the papers for his probably vice presidential running mate. And as soon as I saw the word J.D. Vance, I said, well, it's going to be him. It's got to be him. He's teal's prology. He's going to be him. So he's come in and he's doing two things, Trump. And he's being totally

misread by what's left of Maga. They are looking, first of all, at they're saying he's trashing the globalists. He's bringing the system down. Well, yes, he is, but not for reasons you think. The cult has this process of what I call creative destruction. It's, I also call it the totalitarian tiptoe, where you start at A and you know you're going to Z, but you know if you're going too big a leaps, then people might look up and say what's going on. So you go as fast as you can, but not too fast that you alert too many people. And so you go in a sequence. You'll create a system.

And then when it's served you in that period, you'll trash it and you'll create another system. And each system in the sequence gets more and more extreme. So if you pick it up at the start of the 20th century, you had a certain world. and it was a cult world but there were so many more points of decision making

you then have the First World War the end of the First World War the world the world is completely different you had the Versailles Peace Conference and they basically carved up the world you then followed that with the Great Depression

and so the economic system was being trashed immediately you're into the Second World War. And the status quo again was trashed during the Second World War. And then at the end of the Second World War, you had all these global bodies. You had the United Nations formed. You had the Bretton Woods Agreement, the IMF, the World Bank, etc., etc. But also the CIA and all the intelligence. Yes, exactly.

You know, the CIA, as we know, the CIA, as we know, know, it's appeared after the Second World War. And so the world, the world, I was born in 1952, but seven years after the war. And pretty much from the day I was born to relatively recently, you've had a certain system in place. Now, where they want to go is a completely different, um, ultimately control system based on artificial intelligence and the digital system. And if you have a status quo and it's not moving, you can't replace it with anything.

So you have to trash the status quo. That's what they did with the two wars and the Great Depression. You have to trash the status quo so the new system can replace it. And this is why Trump has been trashing the old system with, wars and the tariffs and or mayhem. And he's going to go on doing it until perhaps Tiel to, JD Vance takes over. And then around him at the very same time that he's trashing the old system is this

AI oligarch circle of wagons. And if you remember, you know, I was saying that, you know, when he comes in, this AI is going to start flying. And it was two days after his inauguration that Larry Ellison was wheeled out and Sam Altman to announce this up to $500 billion stargate project for the AI data centers, etc. And it's gone on ever since. Now Trump's really pushing the 6G, which is a massive turning point in all this. It's a pivotal moment, 6G.

5G we already have, of course. And the idea is that they create a high mind, basically. They're creating a technologically generated global electromagnetic field. through the towers, yes, in all the cities and towns, but crucially, because you can't have a global field without it, low orbit satellites, 11,000, I think, SpaceX are up there now and it's going up like 50,000. Jeff Bezos is coming along behind as well.

And the idea is that you create a technologically generated electromagnetic, field through which the frequencies can be sent to be picked up by the human mind to basically create a centrally dictated hive mind. This is what the AI human fusion is really all about. And in my lady's book, The Roadmap, I quote a Chinese whistleblower who, this is some years ago now that he said this, where he's saying that in China, they have already connected technological electromagnetic fields carrying information with the human electromagnetic field that has made the humans perception dictated by the technological field.

So they basically behave the way the field told them to behave because of this connection. But how much more powerful if you have a receiving, in the body to receive the frequencies. And that's what I say the COVID fake vaccine was and is. I've been in touch over the last few years with scientists and doctors, real ones, who have been following the self-replicating technology in the blood of people. who've been vaccinated, although many people who haven't now, because it's coming from other sources.

And they've seen under the electron microscopes and stuff, these self-replicating systems, you know, there are videos where you can see them. And it includes something called graphene oxide. Graphene oxide is a relatively new substance graphene that has two major traits in relation to. major traits in relation to what I'm talking about. One is it's a superconductor of electricity,

and if it gets in the brain, it changes the way the brain processes information, and it also amplifies electromagnetic field. So if you come into contact with electromagnetic field, the effect will be amplified if you've got graphene in the body. The idea is that they create this technological hive mind which can be centrally dictated

whereby they can tell you what to think and you know you've got people like Ray Kurzweil at Google, the Google futurist as they call him, who is a big fan of him is Bill Gates that's how bad he is and he's written several books so I've got some at home where he's one of the new

Numa, uno people about AI and where it's going. And he said a little while ago now, some years ago, that by 2030, humans will be connected to AI via the cloud. The cloud is this electromagnetic field, etc. And once that connection's made, AI will do more and more of human thinking. These are his words, until human thinking as we know it is negligible

or deleted basically. And that's where it's going. And that's why if you look at it, there's so many diversions. Because at the moment you've got the war in Iran and you've had all these drama diversions of Trump. UFOs? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that too. Because this is going to be a big year for that, 2026, with the Spielberg film coming out. in June, Disclosure Day, but all these diversions, including, you know, to be fair, you know, the shooting of Charlie Kirk, it's taken a lot of attention away in the other directions. And all the time, this incessant expansion of AI goes on. And the thing is, this global cult does not have borders. It does not have countries.

it's borderless. It works globally. And so what they've done, this is a real kind of psychological ruse, and you're hearing it more and more from the Trump administration. America has to win the race to be the dominant country in AI because look at China. China, we've got to beat the Chinese. And they've turned it into a sporting event. you know we can't have regulation no because we've got to beat china the DOE even tweeted about it the DOE tweeted uh the race to AI is going to be the next Manhattan project yeah from the Department of Energy which I think is a terrifying that they would tweet that out and be you don't talk about it if it's like the Manhattan Project which is no but kind of silly the other thing is

that there is a fantastic number of research papers that have been put together by an amalgamation of the Chinese and America. So they're not in a race. It's global cult. So just as America is, oh, we've got to win the race against the Chinese. Chinese saying we've got to win the race against the Americans. But actually it's a global agenda. And what is happening in China and America and Europe too, the same, Britain, Russia, just the same,

is that a global AI control system is being put into place. And that's what's happening. And the more that people's attention can be diverted into whatever drama they come up with next, the more they'll be left on challenge to complete the job. If you had one message to the people in the shadows, the people running things, the people behind the people, what would you say to them if you had a direct line? What would one message would you like to impart with them? Well, I'm not sure we're making a difference because they're absolutely mad. They're bonkers. But what would you say if you could? They're brilliant at manipulating human perception, but they're basically bonkers because they're an expression of this bonkers. onkous consciousness.

What I would say is basically how long do you think this is going to go on? I mean, are this going to be for eternity? I mean, what are you doing? You know, beyond here is this infinity of all possibility to explore, this infinity of other realities and what have you of immensely. various kinds. And you're stuck in this one, manipulating human energy for your own survival. And I mean, what is the point of just doing this for the rest of eternity? I mean, you know, wake the hell up and see that no one's more imprisoned in this matrix than you.

you know we can we can choose to awaken and get out of it you can't unless you wake up uh and my god there's a long way to go before that's going to happen David Ike thank you so much thank you really appreciate it been a pleasure thank you thank you