AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - Captured Alien Explains Reality - Matilda MacElroy pt. 2 - DEBRIEFED ep. 38

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Patreon Exclusive Content: https://www.patreon.com/Area52investigationsAREA 52 Shop: https://www.area52.shopJoin The Area52 Discord: https://discord.gg/C7ZB5M3qjvIn this second part of our readthrough of Alien Interview, Airl, through silent telepathic conversations with nurse Matilda MacElroy, begins to communicate more fluently in English. Airl shares early glimpses into the vast and ancient history of the universe, explaining the beginnings of creation, the evolution of civilizations, and the rise of the powerful interstellar civilization known as The Domain.

get my life back on track. They terminated, you know, a lot of financial issues. And so that led to a lot of stress between me and my family where I was staying. I thought I caught a break. God, I always try as soon. Is it a plane or is it something else? But no, it was not mistaken it. It was an egg-shake UFO watching me. It overwhelmed me. It felt like it was protected me. It felt feminine. And, you know, I was raised Roman counseling. It reminded me of like... Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Debriefed. My name is Chris Ramsey. we're going to be continuing our read-through of the alien interview. So in 1947, a crash allegedly happened in Roswell, New Mexico,

and this lady named Matilda McElroy, who was a nurse at the time, stationed in Roswell, had written a letter to the author by the name of Lawrence R. Spencer, indicating that she, in fact, was the only person able to communicate with the sole surviving alien being of the Roswell crash, spent a subsequent six weeks with this alien interrogating it, asking it questions on behalf of the U.S. intelligence agencies and the government. This part is where it gets really interesting because in this part, this is where Aero, the name of the alien, gets more familiar, significantly so, with the English language and starts to really fill the blanks.

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we dive into this there are a few connections that we've made since we last read the the chapters two names were sort of mentioned by matilda she said that the government brought in other psychics or people who were psychically inclined to try and interview the being without any success. These two people were named. First was Gertrude something or other. And the second was Krishna Merti, both Krishna Merti and this Gertrude lady, if these are the people that I'll be referring to, this makes this very interesting. And it does add a point of sort of conjecture or a point of reference for this potentially being a real. interview. Well, Gertrude or something another is mentioned. Now, Gertrude Schmeidler was a parapsychologist

in the early 1900s. Well, in 1935, I believe, she graduated. She got her doctorate at Harvard University, where she also attended a lecture, which was about extrasensory perception. A lecture by a parapsychologist by the name of Gardner Murphy, but she also then started reading J.B. Rhine's book, who's head of the Rhine Institute, which studies paranormal, sort of parapsychological sciences. Schmeidler graduated with a doctorate in psychology and focused the rest of her career and her life's work on psychical abilities. She even worked in the 1970s with a famous remote viewer for the government, Ingo Swann. I've never heard of Schmeidler before, Gertrude Schmeidler, but the second I started diving down the rabbit hole, I started noticing that she actually pops up everywhere.

And in the 1940s especially is where she really ramped up her work on psychic behavior in parapsychology. A very reputable name, and she would use highly sort of scientifically rigorous standards for all of her psychic testing. So very interesting lady indeed. I'm surprised I haven't heard of her before, but I know some of you have reached out to. me following the video saying, hey, this might be the person they're referring to. Now, the second person might possibly be Jidu Krishna-Murti. He is from India, but he actually was in the United States during the 1940s. He lived in Ohio, California, which is known as a bit of a hub for sort of this spiritual and sort of esoteric practices. But apparently during the

1940s, particularly during World War II, he stayed relatively quiet and with drew from public talks. And then in the late 1940s began re-engaging with public dialogue and writings. So extremely interesting that both of these people would have been name dropped. Now, did the author Lawrence Spencer have access to the internet when he wrote this book? Yes. Is it possible that he just somehow, you know, Googled a few names back then that who may have been prominent figures, of course. But does that make it any less interesting? I don't think so. So, folks, if you don't mind, I would highly suggest you checking your disbelief at the door. Let's suspend it for the next hour or so so that we can fully delve into the lore that is the

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Chapter 4. The Language Barrier. Matilda writes, after I explained what I thought were the reasons for the no-answer answer to the intelligence agents, There was a great deal of upset and turmoil. A very heated discussion took place between some of the intelligence officers, military officials, psychologists, and language interpreters. This lasted for several hours. It was finally decided that I should be allowed to continue to interview the alien, provided I could get a satisfactory answer from her to the following question. Here's the question.

What assurance or proof do you require from us that will make you feel safe enough to answer our question? questions. Answer. Only she speaks. Only she hears. Only she questions. No others. Must learn slash no understand. Matilda's note writes, when I returned from the interview room to report the alien response to this question, I received a grim and skeptical reception from the assembled intelligence agents and military personnel. They could not understand what the alien meant by this. I think that's kind of funny because like if you were trying to be the only person to ever talk to this alien, that's also what you would say. You would also lie to the movie like, no, it's only this person. That's what that's saying. It's not me. I would be that guy, by the way. I'd be like,

no, the alien says it only wants me. I don't know. Weird. I admitted that I couldn't really understand what she meant either, but I was doing the best I could to articulate her telepathic intentions. I told the officials that perhaps the communication problem had to do with my inability to understand the telepathic language of the alien clearly enough to be satisfactory. I was so discouraged at that point. I almost felt like giving up. Again, she's struggling with the translation of intention into words. Because as we discussed in the previous episode, telepathy, I don't think it's just words.

I think it's impressions and intentions. and if you can convey that, you can probably put more information into those things than you could into a string of words. I mean, it could happen just more rapidly, but it might be really hard to decipher and to properly have the correct amount of vernacular to convey, you know, those intentions. And now there was even more arguments than before. I was sure I was going to be removed from my position. In spite of the fact that the alien refused to communicate with anyone else or that,

no one else had been found who could communicate with her. Fortunately, a very clever fellow named John Neubel, who was a Japanese language specialist from the Navy, had an explanation and a solution to the problem. He explained that, first, the problem had very little to do with the inability of the alien to communicate. It had more to do with her unwillingness to communicate with anyone other than myself. Second, in order for any clear, comprehensive communication to happen, both parties needed to understand and communicate through a common language. Okay, this language specialist.

Is this a new, is this a real person? John Neubel. First of all, I'd like to know, is this a real person? Can that be confirmed? I couldn't find any verifiable information about a John Neubel serving as a Japanese language specialist in the U.S. Navy. The alien interview book mentions him in the context of helping the alien. million learn English, but there are no known historical records or credible references confirming his existence. It's possible that he is a fictional or composite character created by the author.

Yeah, okay, that's possible to something I actually didn't consider that this might be a pseudonym, but perhaps this is completely made up or perhaps a real person and they completely, you know, deleted his identity. Who knows? Okay, so eventually John pretty much suggests that there were two options. Matilda learned the language of the alien or the alien had to learn to speak English. Only the latter was possible. So then they began to try and persuade Errol to learn English. So the language specialist suggested that she takes several children's book and a basic reading primer and grammar text into the interview room. And the plan was to sit next to the alien and read aloud, and pointing to the text that she was reading with her finger so that the alien could follow along.

The theory was that the alien could eventually be taught to read, just as a child is taught to read by word and sound association with written word, as well as instruction in fundamental grammar. And as she writes, they also assumed, I think, that if the alien was intelligent enough to communicate with me telepathically and fly a spacecraft across the galaxy, that she would probably learn to speak a language as quickly as a five-year-old or faster. She returned to the interview room and proposed this idea to Errol.

Errol did not object. And no one had a better idea, so that's exactly what they did. Here we go. Chapter 5. Reading lessons. You know, even if this is a fictional piece, I think it's such an interesting piece of universe building and lore that most people would have left out. Matilda writes, I began the reading lessons with the first pages of a schoolbook that had been used to teach pioneer children in the 1800s on the frontiers. of America. It's called McGuffey's

eclectic reader, primer through sixth. She writes, as instructed, I sat next to Errol in the interview room reading aloud to her from each successive book in the series of McGuffey's readers. Each of the books had excellent simple illustrations of the stories and subjects being taught, although they are very

outdated by today's standards. Nonetheless, Errol seemed to understand and absorb every letter, sound, syllable, and meaning as we progressed. We continued this process for 14 hours a day for three consecutive days without interruption, except for a few meals and rest breaks on my part. But Errol did not take any breaks from anything. She did not sleep. Instead, she remained sitting in the overstuffed chair in the interview room, reviewing the lessons

we had already covered. When I returned each morning to begin where we'd left off, she'd already memorized the previous lessons and was well into the next pages. This pattern continued to accelerate until it became pointless for me to continue reading to her. So we're seeing now that Errol's exponential learning curve is being displayed for us, that she is consuming, retaining, and presumably going to be, you know, regurgitating this information rather rapidly. Although Errol did not have a mouth to speak with, she was now able to, quote, unquote, think at me in English.

At the end of these lessons, Errol was able to read and study by herself. I showed her how to use a dictionary to look up new words she encountered. Errol consulted the dictionary continually after that. From then on, my job was acting as a courier for her, requesting that reference books be brought to her in a steady stream. Whoa. This little genius is like, bring me more. I must consume more knowledge. Next, Mr. Neubel brought in a set of Encyclopedia Britannica.

Errol especially enjoyed this because it had a lot of pictures. After that, she requested many more picture books and reference books with photographs and drawings because it was much easier to understand the meaning if she could see a picture of the things she was studying. Over the next six days, books were brought in from libraries all over the country. I presume because it wasn't more than a few more days before she had read through several hundred of them. She studied every subject I could imagine and many other very technical things I never wanted to know anything about, like astronomy, metallurgy, engineering, mathematics, various technical manuals, and so forth. Later, she began to read fiction books, novels, poetry, and the classics of literature.

Errol also asked to read a great many books on subject in the humanities, especially history. I think she must have read at least 50 books about human history and archaeology. Of course, I made sure that she received a copy of the Holy Bible also, which she read from cover to cover without comment or questions. Although I continued to stay with Errol for 12 to 14 hours a day, most of that time during the following week had been spent without much communication between us, except for an occasional question, she asked me.

The questions were usually meant to give her a sense of context or to clarify something in the books she was reading. Oddly, Errol told me that her favorite books are Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, very, very good choice, Errol. Don Quixote de La Mancha, another great choice. choice and 1,001 nights. She said the authors of these stories showed that it is more important to have great

spirit and imagination than great skill or power. Whoa, I love that. And that's something that we actually talk about a lot on this channel, is the power of fiction and its ability to not only convey really high-level ideas in a palatable, absorbable way, but also to allow you to think, to allow you to ponder and imagine, to be curious, and to encourage that curiosity. Please, one second. Before you hit that dial, I promise you, this will be worth your time.

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The depth of complex understanding and subtlety of her questions showed that she had a very penetrating intellect. Personally, I think she had known a lot more about the culture of history of Earth than she was willing to admit when we started. I would soon discover. How much more? Whoa. Oh, this is interesting. How the tables have turned now. Chapter 6 is, my education begins, meaning Matilda's education is about to start.

She's about to get some lessons from this little being. This is from Matilda's personal notes. By the 15th day after rescuing Errol from the crash site, I was able to communicate fluidly and effortlessly with her in English. She had absorbed so much written material. by this time that her academic education far exceeded my own. Although I graduated from high school in Los Angeles in 1940 and attended college for four years of pre-medical and nursing training, the variety of my own reading had been fairly limited. I had not studied most of the subjects

to which Errol had now been exposed, especially considering her acute understanding very intense study habits and a nearly photographic memory. She was able to recall long passages from books she read. She was especially fond of sections of her favorite stories from classic literature like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tales from Gulliver's Travels, and Peter Pan, and the legend of Sleepy Hollow. By this time, Errol had become the teacher, and I was the student. I was able to learn what men of earth do not know and have no way of knowing. Well, this piques my interest. Let's go. spit it out. The throng of scientists and agents who observed us through the one-way glass of our

interview room, whom Errol and I now referred to as the gallery, were growing increasingly impatient to ask her questions, but Errol continued to refuse to allow any questions to be asked of her by anyone other than myself, even vicariously through me as an interpreter or in writing. Whoa. I will take a brief moment here just to acknowledge that. something that someone pointed out in the comments as well last week is that the vocabulary that this nurse is using is quite extensive. Using a word like throng, the throng of scientists, and this is in quotes. So this is supposedly a direct transcript of what Matilda had written to the author here. And if that's the case, I don't know whether

Matilda, and she even says herself that her own sort of reading had been fairly limited in that she didn't go to school for English or literature. Now I understand that perhaps back then our vocabulary might have been quite a bit more expansive than today. So I'm willing to take that into account. However, she does write like a writer, like a novelist. And I had someone else comment recently that after comparing the writing style of Matilda to the authors that AI found that there was a lot of similarities obviously cannot be proven, but there are similarities. So did the author take any creative liberties, perhaps? I think that would be to his detriment and to the detriment of the story. So we have to assume that this is a transcript,

but then why is it so, you know, why is it written with such a writing capability? It does cause for pause. I will say that. So here, this is interesting. On the 16th day, Errol and I sat next to each other as she read. She closed the last page of a book she was reading and placed it aside. I was about to hand her the next book from a large pile waiting to read. when she turned and said or thought to me, I am ready to speak now. At first I was a little confused by the remark.

I gestured for her to continue and she began to teach me my first lesson. Here we go, folks. Question. What would you like to say, Errol? Errol then proceeds to answer. I have been a part of the domain expeditionary force in this sector of space for several thousand years. However, I have not personally had intimate contact with beings on Earth since 5965 BCE. It is not my primary function to interact with inhabitants of planets within the domain.

I am an officer, pilot, and engineer with many duties to perform. Nonetheless, although I am fluent in 347 other languages within the domain, I have not been exposed to your English language. The last earth language with which I was conversant was the Sanskrit language of the Vedic hymns. At that time, I was a member of a mission sent to investigate the loss of a domain base located in the Himalaya Mountains. An entire battalion of officers, pilots, communications, and administrative personnel disappeared and the base destroyed. The last earth language. That's so cool. Several million years ago, whoa, hold on, several million.

Several million years ago, I was trained and served as an investigation, data evaluation, and program development officer for the domain. Because I was experienced in that technology, I was sent to Earth as a part of the search team. One of my duties involved interrogation of the human population that inhabited the adjoining area at that time. Many of the people in that region reported citing Vimanas. Vimanas or spacecraft in that area. I want to see what that is in the Himalayas.

Vimanas. Mythological flying craft described an ancient Indian text. The term means measuring out or traversing in Sanskrit and is often translated as chariot or palace in the sky. Whoa. Following the logical extension of evidence, testimony, observation, as well as the absence of certain evidence, I led my team to the discovery that there were still old empire ships

and well-hidden old empire installations in this solar system of which we had been completely unaware. You and I were unable to communicate in your language because I, personally, have not been exposed to your language. However, now that I have scanned the books and material you provided me, this data has been relayed to our... space station in this region and processed by our communications officer through our computers. It has been translated into my own language and relayed back to me in a context that I can think with.

I have also received additional information from the files stored in our computers about the English language and domain records concerning Earth civilization. This is crazy. Aero is really acting like a biological version of artificial intelligence. And this, by the way, was written prior to any modern GPT or language models that we have. But just very interesting that, you know, this sort of concept exists here. Now I am prepared to give you certain information that I feel will be of great value to you. I will tell you the truth. Although truth is relative to all other truth, I wish to share with you as honestly and accurately as possible truth as I see it, within the boundaries of my integrity to myself, to my race,

and without violating my obligations to the organization I serve and have sworn to uphold and protect. Okay, I thought, this is Matilda. Will you answer the questions from the gallery now? No. I will not answer questions. I will provide information to you that I think will be beneficial to the well-being of the immortal

spiritual beings who have comprised humanity, who comprise humanity. and that will foster the survival of all the myriad life forms and the environment of Earth as it is a part of my mission to ensure the preservation of Earth. Personally, it is my conviction that all sentient beings are immortal spiritual beings. This includes human beings. For the sake of accuracy and simplicity, I will use the made-up word, is-be. Because the primary nature of the immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of is.

And the only reason for their existence is that they decide to be. Whoa! What an interesting thought experiment that is. That these beings just are, but they decide to be. So they are Isbys. What a cool, what a cool concept. No matter how lowly they're stationed in a society, every Isbi deserves the respect and treatment that I'm my,

would like to receive from others. Each person on earth continues to be an isby, whether they are aware of that fact or not. Bunch of isbys out there. This is rather fascinating to me because now we're talking about this idea of perhaps the human body being a soul container, right? Very high-level spiritual, sort of esoteric out there, fringe idea. But... You know, this has been echoed throughout many religions, many philosophers, many parapsychologists.

If you look into past life regression ideas or between life regressions, this existentialist conversation can go on for hours and is something I'm very fascinated by. Matilda writes, I will never forget this conversation. Her tone was very matter of fact and emotionless. However, for the first time, I sense the presence of a warm and warm and warm. and real personality in Errol. Her reference to immortal spiritual beings struck me like a flash of light in a dark room. I had never before considered that a human being could be an immortal being.

I thought that status or power was reserved solely for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And because I am a devout Catholic and subject to the Word of the Lord Jesus, the Holy Father, I have never thought of a woman as an immortal spiritual being either. not even the Holy Mother Mary. Yet when Errol thought that thought, I became vividly aware for the first time that she, personally, was an immortal spiritual being. And so are we all. Now, it's a bit of a theoretical, you know, pondering, but I guess what an alien being,

you're coming face to face with this thing and it's talking to you in your mind. and it tells you for certain that you are this, I think that realization is much more profound and powerful. You know, because we can think it, we can sort of believe it or have faith in that idea, but I think when this other being who clearly demonstrates these other worldly abilities is now conveying to you this idea, I think you probably believe it a lot more

than if it just came from yourself, for whatever reason that is. We're always seeking external, you know, validation, and that's part of the search for extraterrestrial life is to give us these answers. But if this being did choose to give us an answer like that, I mean, that would blow my mind. That would like, you know, concretize whatever idea I already had.

Maybe I'm just gullible. Maybe we shouldn't be believing all the propaganda of these aliens are feeding into our brains, but I, for one, would be happy to oblige. Errol sensed that she sensed that I was confused about the idea. She said she would demonstrate to me that I am also in a moribular. spiritual being. She said, be above your body. Immediately, I realized that I was outside of my body looking down from the ceiling at the top of my body's head. I was also able to see the room around me,

including Errol's body, sitting in the chair next to my own body. After a moment, I realized the simple but shocking reality that I am not a body. She just realized that she is more than her physical body. You know, for those of you who haven't already checked it out, I highly encourage you to check out a three-part documentary series that I made on astral projection, leaving the body. It felt like my consciousness was like flapping behind me, like a cape in the wind. The experience seemed like it lasted thousands of years. And I'm standing like this, and suddenly I realize that I'm standing behind myself. So as he realizes he's out of body, he's like, well, what do I do now?

I'm looking at my hand and thinking, can I stick my hand through the glass? And sure enough, I could. And I felt my body lighter than before, and I felt like I could lift out of my body. It's like what Bob Monroe says, you're more than your physical body. I felt something bumping against my shoulder.

What I was bumping against was the ceiling of my bedroom. And obviously this caught the attention of the CIA. The first thought I had in my mind was, this is ancient. My soul came out of the mold of my body. 309 AM, this was the first time I left my body. To the day, you know, I still think was not a dream. Human beings are magical. I want people to understand that.

That's what this whole place is for. We all have individual power that is immense. It's not for everybody, but it's available to everybody. Truth really is stranger than fiction. The one main thing I got from the auto body experience is the absolute knowledge that I would transcend physical mortality. I'm going to take you through every single part of the process as much as I can, as much as I'm allowed to, and figure out how to leave my body. But I made a three-part documentary on the process of leaving the body because it had happened to me involuntarily. And then subsequently through months and months of meditation, I was able to leave my physical body multiple times.

And I documented this and I went into a deep dive and talked to experts and just people who are really familiar with the matter. It was one of the earlier things we did on this channel, but highly encourage you guys to check it out, if at all you're interested in that type of thing. To me, I was just still am very fascinated by this idea. In that moment, a black veil lifted. And for the first time in my life, and for a very long time into the past,

I realized that I'm not my soul, but that I am me, a spiritual being. This was an unexplainable epiphany, but one that fills me with joy and relief. I cannot recall having experienced ever before. As for the immortal part, I do not understand her meaning, as I have always been taught that I am not immortal. A spirit, perhaps, but certainly not immortal. After a moment, I'm not sure how long, Errol asked me if I had a better understanding of this idea. Suddenly, I was back inside my body again and said out loud,

yes, I see what you mean. I was so taken aback by the experience that I had to get up for my chair and walk around the room for a few minutes. I made an excuse that I needed to get a drink of water and go to the restroom, which I did. In the restroom, I looked at myself in the mirror.

I used the toilet, refreshed my makeup, and straightened my uniform. After 10 or 15 minutes, I felt more normal again and returned to the interview room. After that, I felt as a sudden, though I was no longer just an interpreter for Errol. I felt as though I was a kindred spirit. I felt like I was safe at home with a trusted friend or family member, as close as I have,

as close as I ever had. Errol sensed and understood my confusion about the concept of personal immortality. She began her first lesson with me by explaining this to me. Again, this one, I'm, you know, being fiction or not, the ideas that are being discussed here on a personal level, I've felt what that feels like. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, but, you know, I've perceivably exited my body during a waking meditative state completely lucid and saw myself. laying down, right? This happened to me. I have complete recollection of the entire thing. I was not asleep when this happened. And after that moment, I was severely rocked to my core because it completely expands your perception of what you might be. And I say what you might be because again, you know, there is this reluctance within me to completely.

give into this idea, be it my magic-based skepticism, which I've been fostering for nearly 20 years. But it rings true and it feels true when I look into these things. It's a very profound experience, whatever it was, forces you to let go of, the physical attachment we have to our bodies and to the ideas that are attached to that physical, the ideas of materialism and all this stuff. It's just, yeah, go check that documentary out if you haven't already. I put a lot of work into it and it's worth a look, even if you're a skeptic. I go into it being a skeptic. Errol told me her reasons for coming to Earth and for being in the area of the 509th bomber squadron. She was sent by her superior officers to investigate the explosions

of nuclear weapons which have been tested in New Mexico. Her superiors ordered her to gather information from the atmosphere that could be used to determine the extent of radiation and potential harm this might cause to the environment. During her mission, the spacecraft was struck by a lightning, which caused her to lose control and crash. The spacecraft, okay, hold on. This is one point of contention that a lot of you have brought up, and I think rightfully so, if you are millions of years old and have all the technology and are able to bounce around the universe at will, wouldn't you prepare for a lightning storm in some way? Wouldn't, wouldn't, you know, wouldn't you've conquered the effects that lightning might have on your technology? It's a valid

question. The spacecraft is operated by Isbys who use doll bodies. in much the same way that an actor wears a mask and costume. It is like a mechanical tool through which to operate in the physical world. She, as well as all of the other Isbys of the officer class and their superiors inhabit these doll bodies when they are on duty in space. When they are not on duty, they leave the body and operate, think, communicate, travel, and exist without the use of a body. Whoa!

Bob Lazard mentioned the idea of containers, you know, which is something he read in those blue documents that they refer to us as containers. This lines up. The bodies are constructed of synthetic materials, including a very sensitive electrical nervous system to which each is-be adjusts themselves or tune in to an electronic wavelength. That is matched uniquely to the wavelength or frequency emitted by each is-be. Each is B is capable of creating a unique wave frequency which identifies them, much like a radial signal frequency. This serves, in part, as identification like a fingerprint. The doll body acts like a radio receiver for the ISB.

No two frequencies or doll bodies are exactly the same. The bodies of each ISB crew member are likewise tuned into and connected to the nervous system built into the spacecraft. The spacecraft is built in much the same way as the doll body. It is adjusted specifically to the frequency of each ISB crew member. Therefore, the craft can be operated by the thoughts or energy emitted by the ISB. It is really a very simple direct control system. So there are no complicated controls or navigation equipment on board the spacecraft. They operate as an extension of the ISB. Again, this, this, really corroborates this idea that these craft are alive to a certain extent, as alive as the

doll bodies, or as alive as the ISB that inhabits it. You know, and the fact that each vessel is tuned to the frequency of its ISB makes me think of the 4chan whistleblower and the underwater mobile construction unit creating these crafts to spec and populating them perhaps with these biological dolls if you will these grays these bio drones we're filling some plot holes here this is really interesting when the lightning bolt struck the spacecraft this caused a short circuit and consequently disconnected them from the control of the ship momentarily which resulted in the crash Okay, what's really interesting here, this is a really cool connection. In the Aztec crash, in this book here by William Steinman, really interesting book, okay?

I'm pretty high conviction that this crash happened. A 100 foot in diameter craft, soft landed in the vicinity of Aztec, New Mexico, eight months after the crash in Roswell, where up to 16 bodies were then families. found dead in the craft. Now, these bodies, some of them had been charred, but the inside of the craft looked particularly intact and so did the outside of the craft. Something happened to where it seems like these bodies were electrocuted and all simultaneously died, like as if a nasty pressurization had happened or they don't really have an explanation for why the, they all died, you know, a rupture in the electrical signal, which is controlling, you know, this

communication between the Isbi spirit and the physical doll body would make sense. Let's just say it is one of the biggest secrets, I think. If you haven't checked out the Aztec crash, I mean, do your own homework, but definitely dig a little deeper than just the surface level, because there's a lot to discover there. Really interesting case. Errol was and still is an pilot and engineer in an expeditionary force, which is part of a space opera civilization, which refers to itself as the domain. This civilization controls a vast number of galaxies, stars, planets, moons, and asteroids throughout the area of space that is approximately one-fourth of the entire physical universe.

The continuing mission of her organization is to secure control and expand territory and resources of the domain. Errol pointed out that their own activities were very similar in many ways to the European explorers who discovered and claimed the new world of the Holy Father, the Pope, and for the kings of Spain, Portugal, and later on Holland, England, France, and so forth. Europe benefited from the property acquired from the native inhabitants. However, the native inhabitants were never consulted with or asked for their permission to become a part of the domain of European nations, and the soldiers and priests they sent to acquire territory and wealth in order to advance their interests. Yeah.

So, Errol is saying that they're kind of like the colonizers except for the whole, you know, not asking permission part. Errol said that she read in a history book that the Spanish king regretted the brutal treatment of the native inhabitants by his soldiers. He feared retribution from the gods he worshipped, as he described in the various Testaments of the, the Bible. He asked the Pope to prepare a statement called the requirement, which was supposed to be read to each of the newly encountered native inhabitants. The king hoped that the statement, whether it was accepted or rejected by the natives, would absolve the king of all responsibility for the resulting slaughter and enslavement of these people. He used this statement as justification to confiscate their lands and possessions by his soldiers and the Pope's priests. Apparently, the Pope personally

did not have any feelings of guilt or responsibility in the matter. Errol thought that such actions were those of a coward, and that it is no surprise that the territory of Spain was diminished so quickly. Only a few years later the king was dead and his empire had been assimilated by the other nations. So Errol is subtly hinting at karma. Errol said that this sort of behavior does not occur in the domain. Their leaders assume full responsibility for the actions of the domain would not denigrate themselves in this fashion, nor do they fear any gods or have any regret

for their actions. This idea reinforces my earlier suggestion that Errol and her people are probably atheists. In the case of the acquisition of Earth by the domain, the rulers of the domain have chosen not to openly reveal this intention to the native inhabitants of Earth until a later time when it may or may not suit their interests to reveal themselves. For the present time, it is not strategically necessary to make the presence of the domain expeditionary force known to mankind. In fact, until now, it has been very aggressively hidden for reasons that will be revealed later. The asteroid belt near Earth is a very small but important location for the domain in this part of space. Actually, some of the objects in our solar system

are very valuable for use as low-gravity space stations. They're interested primarily in the low-gravity satellites in this solar system, which consists mainly of the side of the moon facing away from Earth and the asteroid belt, which was a planet that was destroyed billions of years ago, and to a lesser degree, Mars and Venus. Doom structures synthesized from gypsum, or underground bases covered by electromagnetic force screens, are easily constructed to house the domain forces.

Whoa. Once an area of space is acquired, by the domain and becomes a part of the territory under its control, it is treated as the property of the domain. The space station near the planet Earth is important only because it lay a path of the domain expansion route toward the center of the Milky Way galaxy and beyond. Of course, everyone in the domain is aware of this, except for the people of Earth. This sounds exactly like the very beginning of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy when six-foot-tall ape descendant Arthur Dent when he's faced with a bulldozing team that would like to drive a bypass

through his house, he comes out in his bathrobe, waving his fists in the air, saying, you can't just bulldoze my house down to drive a bypass through this place when ironically a Vogon constructor fleet appears in the air and delivers the same news to the earth saying that they are also in the way of a sort of intergalactic highway that just happens to be, you know, going through the vicinity of Earth and that they have to build a bypass, you know, through it. This sounds exactly like that. Now, was Lawrence Spencer a fan of Douglas Adams? Or had Douglas Adams, you know, tuned in to an actual deeper truth of humanity when writing his piece of you know, comical science fiction.

Chapter 7. A lesson in ancient history. Okay, this is interesting. Now we dive into some historical interpretations or depictions of Earth and possibly more. But this is where we get to really tie in perhaps some of the lucertifiles and see if anything corroborates or anything meshes with what we are told. from, you know, the reptile. Matilda talks about six or seven men who asked for clarifications of the statements. She had a stenographer there.

She had all these other people. And they were trying to get Errol, you know, to answer specific questions prompted by the members of the gallery. And she did her best to reassure everyone that she would, you know, try her best at making that happen. But nevertheless, only three things happened every day thereafter. One, Errol resolutely refused to answer any questions that she sensed had been posed or suggested to me by the gallery. Two, Errol continued to instruct me in subject matter in her own voice.

And three, every evening after my interview or instruction from Errol, she would give me a new list of subject matter about which she wanted more information. Each evening, I presented this list to the gallery. The next day, Errol received a large stack of books, magazines, articles, and so forth. She would study all of these during the night while I slept. This pattern repeated every day during the remainder of the time I spent with her. The subject matter of my next interview or lesson from Errol continued with a brief history of Earth, our solar system, and nearby space from the perspective of the domain. Errol says, before you can understand the subject of history, you must first understand the subject of time. Time is simply an arbitrary measurement of the motion of objects through space.

space is not linear. Space is determined by the point of view of an is-bee when viewing an object. The distance between an is-b and the object being viewed is called space. That's a great way to put it, by the way. I think that's just accurate. Objects or energy masses in space do not necessarily move in a linear fashion. In this universe, objects tend to move randomly or in a curving or cyclical pattern, or as determined by agreed upon rules.

Huh. History is not only a linear record of events, as many authors of history books imply, because it is not a string that can be stretched out and marked like a measuring tool. History is a subjective observation of the movement of objects through space recorded from the point of view of a survivor rather than those of those who succumbed.

Yeah. I mean, you know, only the winter's right history. Events occur interactively and concurrently, just as the biological body has a heart that pumps blood while the lungs provide oxygen to the cells, which reproduce, using energy from the sun and chemicals from plants, at the same time as the liver-strange toxic wastes from the blood and eliminates them through the bladder and the bowels. All of these interactions are concurrent and simultaneous. Although time runs consecutively, events do not happen in an independent linear system. In order to view and understand the history or reality of the past, one must view all events as part of an interactive whole. Time can also be sensed as a vibration, which is uniformed throughout the entire physical universe.

This is a very interesting way of observing it, too, because, yeah, things could happen simultaneously, can be affected because of other things happening, writing it down in a linear fashion isn't optimal, but it is the only way we've found to, you know, convey the idea of time. Errol explained that the is-bees have been around since before the beginning of the universe. The reason they are called immortal is because a spirit is not born and cannot die, but exists in a personally postulated perception of is-dash-will-be. She was careful to explain that every spirit is not the same. Each is completely unique.

in identity, power, awareness, and ability. The difference between an isbi, like Errol, and most of the Isbys inhabiting bodies on Earth, is that Errol can enter and depart from her doll at will. She can perceive at selective depths through matter. Errol and other officers of the domain can communicate telepathically. Since an Isbi is not a physical universe entity, it has no location in space or time. An Isby is literally immaterial. They can span great distances of space instantly.

They can experience sensations more intensely than a biological body without the use of physical sensory mechanisms. And Isb can exclude pain from their perception. Errol can also remember her identity, so to speak, all the way back into the dim mists of time for trillions of years. She says that the existing collection of suns in this immediate vicinity of the universe have been burning for the last 200 trillion years, The age of the physical universe is nearly infinitely old, but probably at least four quadrillion years since its earliest beginnings. Okay, those numbers are pretty arbitrary because none of us can quantify a hundred billion, let alone a trillion or a quadrillion. And it is interesting that they said that the suns have been burning for trillions of years. I'm sure modern astronomers and scientists would probably disagree with that, but

Perhaps Aeryl knows something we don't. Time is a difficult factor to measure, as it depends on the subjective memory of Izbe's, and there has been no uniform record of events throughout the physical universe since it began. As on Earth, there are many different time measurement systems defined by various cultures, which use cycles of motion and points of origin to establish age and duration. The physical universe itself is formed from the convergence in amalgamation of many other individuals, universes, each one of which were created by an isbi or group of isbys. The collision of these illusory universes co-mingled and co-elaced and were solidified to form a mutually created

universe. Because it is agreed that the energy and forms can be created but not destroyed, this creative process has continued to form an ever-expanding universe of nearly infinite physical proportions. Whoa. So Errol is basically saying that these spiritual beings create universes and because you can't uncreate something, it's just been ongoing kind of forever. This also comes up in the book, Journey of Souls by Dr. Michael Newton. Very interesting read. I've read Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. He's written a few books. Basically, they're just regression sessions with patients who he's regressed to their lives between lives. And anyways, he gets some really profound answers towards the end of his book, which tend to suggest that the higher level souls are the ones

that have been around for longer are the ones creating universes and galaxies and changing cells and everything else. So really interesting. Before the formation of the physical universe, there was a vast period during which universes were not solid, but wholly illusionary. You might say that the universe was a universe of magical illusions which were made to appear and vanish at the will of the magician. In every case, the magician was one or more isbys. Many isbys on earth can still recall vague images from that period. Tales of magic, sorcery, and enchantment. Fairy tales and mythology speak of such things, although in very crude terms.

Each isb entered into the physical universe when they lost their own home universe. That is, when an isbys home universe was overwhelmed by the physical universe, or when the isby joined with other isbys to create or conquer the physical universe. That's a little complicated for me, but, all right, we're going to continue. On earth, the ability to determine when an isbby entered the physical universe is difficult. for two reasons. One, the memory of Isbys on Earth have been erased. Two, Isbys' arrival or invasion into the physical universe took place at different times, some 60 trillion years ago and others only three trillion years ago. Oh, only? Every once in a short while, a few million years, an area or

planet will be taken over by another group of Isbys entering into that area. Huh. Sometimes it will capture other Isbys as slaves. They will be forced to inhabit bodies to perform menial or manual work, especially mining mineral ores, on heavy gravity planets, such as Earth. Errol says that she has been a member of the domain expeditionary force for more than 625 million years. When she became a pilot for a biological survey mission, which included occasional visits to Earth, she can remember her entire career there, and for a very long time before that. She told me that Earth scientists do not have an accurate measuring system to gauge the age of matter.

They assume that because certain types of materials seem to deteriorate rather quickly, such as organic or carbon-based matter, that there is a deterioration of matter. It is not accurate to measure the age of stone based on the measurement of the age of wood or bone. This is a fundamental error. Factually, matter does not deteriorate. It cannot be destroyed. Matter may be altered in form, but it is never truly destroyed. The domain has conducted a periodic survey of the galaxies in this sector of the universe,

since it developed space travel technologies about 80 trillion years ago. A review of changes in the complexion of Earth reveal that mountain ranges rise and fall, continents change locations, the poles of the planet shift, ice caps come and go, oceans appear and disappear, rivers, valleys, and canyons change. In all cases, the matter is the same. It is always the same sand. Every form and substance is made of the same basic material, which never deteriorates.

There's a note here by Matilda which says, I cannot even begin to imagine how advanced a civilization may have become technically and mentally after trillions of years. Just think of how advanced our own country has become compared to only 150 years. Only a few generations ago, transportation was on. on foot, horseback or boat. Reading was done by candlelight, heating, and cooking were done over a fireplace, and there wasn't any indoor plumbing. All right, folks, that is all I have in the tank for today. It has been an incredibly expanding, you know, communication that we've read through. This is really kind of hurting my brain, but I love it so much. I'm a big fan of

universe building, you know, whether Star Wars or Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy. So if this is a giant hoax or piece of fiction, hats off because I'm invested heavily and I think this is really interesting. We're going to stop there only because I'm kind of getting saturated and my brain's kind of still trying to process a lot of what I read and I do want to come back to this with a fresh perspective. So let me know your thoughts on what has been discussed by Errol and Matilda, whether that's the out-of-body event that was induced during one of the interrogations or the spiritual sort of beginnings of the Isbys. This is all really interesting. And I love the term Isbi, by the way. I think it's so cool.

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