AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - The Gateway Process w/ Nelson Dellis - DEBRIEFED ep. 4

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

Join Chris Ramsay and Nelson Dellis in this thrilling episode of "Debriefed." In Episode 4, we delve into the fascinating world of The Gateway Process. Both Nelson and I attended the Gateway Retreat at the Monroe Institute and got to document the whole thing... it was Life changing! Patreon Exclusive Content: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/Area52investigations⁠ Join The Area52 Discord: ⁠https://discord.gg/x29SrGtdNu⁠ Follow me on IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/area52investigations/⁠

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of debriefed. Today we will be talking about today, first of all, I'm joined by a really good friend of mine. You guys know them already. This is Nelson Delis. Nelson and I both did the retreat for the gateway experience at the Monroe Institute. And this is really our first time talking about it on camera and in real life. Like we saved this conversation.

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rating there. It goes a long way. All right. Without any further ado, welcome Nelson. What's up? How you doing? What's up? I'm good, man. Good to see you. Good to see you. I feel like we're different people now. Yeah. That couldn't be more true. Jesus. Absolutely. It's been I mean, there's been so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, synchronicities and changes since I've gotten back, and I'm sure the same for you. Oh, yeah. At this point, when we're talking,

I've only uploaded one episode of the, sort of the gateway program to my channel, but this will be coming out after the whole thing's done. So they'll be up to speed on everything. Let's start with before, because I read an interesting article. This was on LinkedIn, and it was the Monroe Institute, and they had an article based on the, if you look back, and I wanted to mention this, and I held back,

but if you look back at the previous weeks leading up to this, how many things had to line up, and how many things were preparing you for this experience. Okay, yeah. And if you look back now, can you think of any? Yeah, I mean, I think even the circumstances to which I found myself, like, even considering going. I mean, I know the first time I thought, oh, it would be cool to do this with you or whatever at all, was when we were with Joe last, Joe McManagull last year.

And he mentioned that we could do a course with him or at least to visit the Institute. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll probably never really have a time to do that. I don't know if it's on my radar. I had the same feeling. And even when you told me that you were going to do this Creator Week or that it was even a thing, you know, I was actually accepted because I threw my hat in the ring. I was like, yeah, I got to do it. But I couldn't quite make it work.

Yeah. You know, and I was kind of bummed. I was like, I wanted to do that with Chris. It would have been kind of like the next step in what we're doing. But it didn't work out. But I almost, I told you this, that I felt like it was maybe better that I did it. Or that it was, I was supposed to do it on my own, you know, that it was an experience I needed to, like, do on my own. And so that, how that kind of played out was kind of interesting before.

Yeah, because you, you'd made everything happen, but then, like, things prevented you from being there. Because initially, so the creator program that they set up was the first time they've ever let creators film the process, the gateway program process and that whole experience. It's never been documented from the inside. That's wild. And so Paul Cedarrella, who works there, you know, he's been just a great person to talk with because he's one who really organized all this and is trying to propel Monroe Institute into, you know, a new era where people are aware of this stuff. So it's really cool.

And I reached out to Nelson and I was like, we got to do this together. And we both said yes. We both agreed. And then you kind of backed out last minute because you had, you know, personal family stuff. you have a new child. Yeah, it boiled down to child care. I mean, everything's so... Yeah, you had a newborn to take care of,

and it's not the time to take a retreat. No. No, I mean, my wife's very understanding, so it's like, if we have the help, it's cool. Yeah. And I had lined up help, but it just fell through. It fell through. Yeah.

And then we were kind of like, one of my little ones was sick, and it was really just like all hands needed to be on deck. Wasn't there something with flights too? Oh, yeah. Well, that was something else. Okay. But that I tried to organize after and a flight got canceled,

but not to do with the actual thing. But yeah, even just like where I was at, I felt like... Like mentally, you mean? Mentally. I don't think I could have gone that week. I was just so backed up with work and so many things on my mind.

like I was not ready for that. So with the extra two, three weeks that I had before I went, it was, I don't know. It just had a different vibe. It was like more the right time. And I think it worked out. I think so, man. You know, when I went there, it was interesting because there was 13 of us. There were supposed to be 19 of us.

So you obviously weren't the only one who backed out last second. There was really supposed to be 19 of us. And but we also felt that like that was the perfect amount of people. for what we went through and it just had to work out like that and I feel like if you were there with me I had such a profound spiritual experience

and I never thought I'd hear myself saying this but it was a breakthrough and if you were there with me I don't know if it would have happened the same way because you and I both share a similar skepticism towards this topic

and perhaps if we both you know, we're in that experience together, we might have just, I don't know. Isolated? Yeah, we might have isolated, exactly. We might have been afraid to show maybe a more vulnerable side of us. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Even though we're close friends, like it's still, we might have just not been as vulnerable for fear of something. And yeah, so I think you're right. I think it had to happen the way it did. You know, that being said, I had a few weeks leading up. to it as well that like I get I get these signs only thinking back and it happened like there's there's one thing and you know a lot of people might not know this but you know we're in the process of literally the downsized the company and like letting go a whole bunch of a whole bunch of people here and

and it's been this all happened before you know because I'm just feeling overwhelmed. I was at a breaking point in my career and in my personal mental state where I just took on too much and I was wearing myself thin and it wasn't fun anymore and I was getting to this point where I've been before where I burn out. And that was all leading up to this. And then I remember standing in line at the supermarket here and this is where it really hit me when I look back on it. There was a lady in front of me and she was paying for her groceries and there was like two ladies behind me who were waiting and the lady was paying her card. And then she's trying another card and it wouldn't work and another one. And she's paying cash. And this whole ordeal lasted like four minutes. And there was like two ladies behind me who were waiting and the lady was paying her card and she was paying cash. And this whole ordeal lasted like four minutes. which is a long time standing in line holding items. Sure. Four minutes a long time. The ladies behind me, I felt their energy and I felt, I heard them, you know, kind of like roll their eyes, you know, annoyed, right? And this lady in front of me was so stressed because she was feeling that energy from them

and she was trying to, and it wasn't her fault, the car was going through. Lady at the cash register, she was like, oh, come on, you know. And the thought occurred to me instantly, like, we're all just trying to get to the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, got to hurry up and get to the next thing. And then I realized in that moment, holy shit, this is the thing. This is the thing. This is what I've been trying to get to.

Holy fuck. And it just dawned on me. And I was there holding these items. And I remember being in this moment, listening to the stupid pop music that was playing on the radio, and feeling like I could stay in this moment for hours. I was so happy to be in line at that moment and enjoying. Inconvenience by this lady. Yeah, it wasn't even about it. It was like, I was in the present moment.

for the first time in a long time, and it really started shifting everything for me after that. And it's after that that that I sort of made the decision, you know, at the company and that I've been drawing back from posting content on the main channel and just kind of taking care of my personal mental health. And then the retreat. Yeah. Which, which, you know, we'll get into. Yeah.

No, there were a lot of, there's been a lot of synchronicity's happening to me in the last month and a half. I mean, I always, since getting into remote viewing and stuff like that, I've paid more attention, but I feel like they've ramped up like, whoa, in the last month and a half. I briefly told you, but the week before I was supposed to go was the opening to the, it was the Belmont races at the racetrack in my little town that I live. Yes. And I do this for fun sometimes. I'll just predict the winner of a race. With remote viewing. With remote viewing, yeah.

Like kind of a shorthand version of it, but it... I win 25% of the time. I get it right, 25% of the time. And what are the odds of you winning 25% of the time? I think if you roughly calculated, it's probably like 10%. So you should be winning 10% of the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Through guess?

If you just guessed randomly. Because there's 10 horses? More or less. Sometimes horses get scratched. Some have, there's more horses in a race, whatever. But on average, I say there's about 10 horses. And you're winning a quarter of the time, which is way above average. Yeah.

And so that day was the Belmont. There's many races that day, but the Belmont is the big one with the biggest stakes and all that stuff and the big. The hottest horses. Yeah, yeah. So I hadn't won that day, but that race, I actually had predicted it with my little horse group that we have going on. You have a group of horses? Well, people who make predictions on these random horse races. And we don't bet.

We just kind of gather data and see if it aligns. We're all doing the same kind of remote doing thing. That's awesome. And I predicted black, I think it was, which happened to be this horse named Doork. Underdog. Yeah, nobody was even talking about it, you know? Because before, you predict a lot of, oftentimes, because you don't know who the colors are associated to prior. Exactly.

Because then you'll be front-loaded. Yeah, I know nothing about horses. I don't even know anything about horse racing, really. Right. So they all have colors, and those colors aren't the same colors every race. No, no, it's just randomly. They're switched on horses. So there's no way that you can say that, like, green is.

always the good horse. Right, yeah. So people who don't understand this, it's completely random. And to not get front loaded, you know the colors of what's going to be in the race, but you don't know which horses those are associated to. Right. But sometimes, and oftentimes, you end up choosing the color that's the favorite. Yep, yeah, most of the time.

Well, because... Right. And then you win, and it's not so much, but it's fine, but you still predicted that, which is really cool. But now... Yeah, so then it's exciting when you... see a color that is an underdog because you're like, this is right, I win a lot of money.

How much you put down? We're talking a lot of money. I put like 10 bucks usually. I'm trying to be responsible. Yeah. And it's the fun of the Belmont. I put a little cash. It's always fun.

But anyway, so I was going to make my bet. I was doing cash there because it's very old-timey. And I walk across, there were 50,000 people that day. Holy cow. It was very busy a day. Holy horse. Yeah, holy horse. and I walk across a dime, not drugs, but a coin dime.

And that's my thing in my life. I always find dimes. And by themselves, not like a chunk of change, just a single dime along my path on a thing for me to see and I pick it up. And usually when I pick it up most of the time and I put it like in my little jar or whatever at home, something good happens like financially. Like an omen. Yeah, yeah. Like I get a gig or some operational. opportunity comes up.

And this is wild because I already had the sense that I had guessed the right horse in the day before I told you it was black. And I was like, yeah, I know it's going to win. But you, yeah, the thing that differentiates this, and this is something that I felt in my remote viewing sessions as well is it isn't a guess. Right. It is a knowing. And it's not a belief.

It's not a fake until you make it a confidence thing. It isn't knowing. Yeah. Like when you just know, you're like, oh. I know. Yeah, yeah. And it's hard to explain that, that it isn't just some guess. But when you know, you know, right?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And so I saw that coin and I was like, I'm on my way to make this bet for this thing that I know. This is wild. Nobody's picked this up. Like, it's clearly in the path. Anyways, I go and make my bet.

And I'm like, I'm like, I'm at 10 bucks. Like, I know the horse. I know the winner. Like, let me put more. I end up putting 50. And I even felt bad for a second. But I remember thinking, like, why do you feel bad when you do? know you've won the money.

And I know it's very responsible to think like that. And that's why I don't really bet a lot. Yeah. But it was an interesting feeling to be so certain about something. Sure enough, the horse won. And it was a crazy race because he was a super underdog. And he was first out of the gates and usually the first horse, you're like, oh, loses gas.

He's never going to. It's like a terrible sign in horse racing. But he stuck it out. It was wild. And I've never heard, I almost heard her pin drop and all those 50,000 people watching because they couldn't believe it. Well, because nobody fucking bet on that horse. So they were all like.

How many people do you think actually bet on that horse? I don't know. There's got to be a handful. I'm sure, yeah. The owners at least, right? So anyway, they won a good chunk and then. Wait, so it was the odds were you told me 17 to 1. I think it was even more.

I think it went up. I think it might have been like 25 to 1 or something. So 25 to 1. You bet how much? $50? Yeah. So you made like over a grand. Yeah, yeah.

Over a grand with a $50 bet is wild. Yeah. I was like, damn, I should put like, my life savings. obviously you should have but yeah obviously that would have been irresponsible yeah but um but you still had the knowing

that 10 wasn't enough there was something there was an omen with a dime yeah and there was like some some instinctive intuitive knowing that yeah I have to put more because I know the answer to this and you did that and you followed through on that and you believed yourself yeah and I'm not saying go out there to Hollywood

or go out there to Vegas and start betting your life savings But, you know, this is something that has come up for me a lot lately. If you get that feeling and that knowing, you must pursue it. Yeah. Because you will be, the universe kind of will reward you. Yeah. And it's funny because that feeling was kind of a new feel. I've kind of had some of that for when I do remote viewing, but this felt stronger.

And it's funny because in the retreat that, like I'm sure as you're alluding to now, is it like that knowing feeling was a common theme in a lot of the experiences I was having. So that was maybe like a little teaser, you know, before that happened. So very crazy. So, I mean, yeah, very crazy indeed. And just another, just another thing that overlaps and that that elevates this whole experience into reality. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Right. Okay. Monroe Institute. So I had my experience. And then two weeks later, you had yours. So, you know, we're roughly in the same time frame. Now, I had the upper camp. Yes.

You had the lower camp. The mountain retreat. Yeah, I had the mountain retreat. You had the lower one. Yeah. So that's something I want to get into, too, because my experience is a bit different than yours then in terms of what that felt like and looked like. We had this, like, cabin that we'd go to.

And, like, you saw the video. It was a little more quaint. We went down to the lower camp. But that, how is, like, it looked pretty good. cool. Yeah, it's what I know. We did go up to yours and take a look around and I had seen some of your pictures and stuff.

So I was cool. But I remember thinking like, I kind of like mine better. Same. We had a pool. I would have loved that. We kept asking to use it. And they were like, no, you can't use it. I was like, what are you?

We swam in it every day. It's crazy. Every single day. It was hot, man. It was very hot. You had a lake, though, not too far away. That's true. And a couple of people went in the lake.

I'm not a lake. swimming person but um we did have that but uh it was you know i think because you have an amazing experience there and the people there like you make it your own you know so i i understand why i'm sure if i had been set up there i would have loved it more than the other but it was cool it felt a bit more spacious like we had the bigger open the field field with the crystal in the middle the crystal yeah yeah it was nice like that and you could you had the vices of the mountain i don't know how much visibility you had. Yeah, not much because the trees.

Yeah. And yeah, it was, it was, it was, it's, it's, it's, it, it's, it, it's, it, it's, it, it's, it's, it, it's, it's, it's, it's a bit stuffy and, and, and, and, and, yeah, I don't know if I can stay here a week and, and, and, and then I was put in a room with two other dudes. It was three of us in a room. I was like, wherever they put me like, they put me in a closet. But it ended up being like, so cozy and, and, and, and, and perfect. Yeah.

I, yeah. How restful were those nights in the check units? I was so relaxed. One of the things I said to myself is like, if I don't get anything out of this, I'm going to be the most relaxed version of myself. That's exactly what I said to myself on camera. Oh, okay. I said the exact thing.

I was like, if nothing else, I need this. Yeah. I need to relax. I don't have to cook for my kids. I don't have to clean up after my kids. I don't have to hear my kids. I mean, I miss them. But it's just me.

and my thoughts. And I can sleep through all these exercises if I want, you know, and that's... And worrying will do you know good in that situation, you know. Also, the food is great. Right, yeah. Three meals a day, cooked fresh every day. Delicious. Yeah.

And I'm picky, you know? And it was, they had little options here and a salad bar and snacks whenever you wanted them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we had this place called the Fox's Den or Fox Den or whatever. Yeah. And that's kind of where we got together. before and maybe because so the way the way it played out like we talked about it in the video but

you get up early on you get the music you get the tuning frequency and then we have morning yoga or whatever breakfast and then you start your introduction to whatever it is you were learning yeah and then probably do about three sessions before lunch with a debrief in between those have lunch and then we'd have a break from one to four which was really nice and especially for creators on our end gave us time to really film stuff and you know interview people and then at four we'd have another session one or two meditations again with debriefs then we'd have dinner and then after dinner we have like an event so either some of them would come to talk or we'd watch a movie and that would go on until about nine 10 o'clock and a lot of people would taper off but us i i mean my

group every single night in the foxes den i would host about five people and some of them stayed and some of them interchanged uh and i would perform magic till about two in the morning every night um so there would be but it wasn't just me performing magic it was it was also like uh we did this thing called the cube in the desert experiment you know this so i did this to everybody eventually like because people would you know sort of chatter about it during the day i was like oh did you You'd see the magic show last night? Oh, did you get the, you got to try this cube in the desert thing. And so people would come in the evening.

And it was really such an awesome fucking thing to do with people to connect with them on a personal, deeper level. So we'd end up doing that in the Fox Den. And yeah, there were snacks and everything. But the thing is, I've never felt more rested in my life, even sleeping four hours a night. Yeah, yeah. Because we were meditating for six hours a day. So I'd click out every now and then. But, yeah.

And I don't meditate. I've never meditated. I've tried. And I'm just like, I got better things to do. You know, I always say when I memorize, that's my meditation because it's like my focus on this one thing. And sure. But to be like with yourself like that, I don't do that.

Yeah, man. So that was new to me. And you know, the interesting thing to me is all the meditation I've ever been told how to do is like focus on your breath. You know, like try not to think about anything. And when you stray, go back to the breath, right? And sit this way and that way and breathe, whatever. But there was no instruction about that.

And it really wasn't about that. It felt like kind of, I like to do this as I think about my memories and just kind of like live in them and visualize the things. And it was like a lot of that, just different exercises related to visualization. So it was interesting to me to hear about meditating, but you were like free to actually think. freely. Yeah. They didn't discourage you. It wasn't so procedural

where, because meditation sounds boring to me. Like when I heard about it the first time, I was like, this, yeah, I don't know, okay, I guess I'll do it for 10 minutes and I got other shit to do. You know, but you're right. There was, you know, they would encourage a thought. Like, if a thought comes in

and you kind of can't let it go, well, maybe you're supposed to sit with it. Yeah. And maybe you're supposed to figure out why you're getting this thought and then move on. And like, so yeah, there was this sort of like free flowing energy to these meditations that felt more natural and less forced. Yeah. Yeah. And every, I remember more so at the beginning, every little thought that I'd have, I'd be like, what does this mean?

Why is it being shown to me? I've like, I got to remember this. And then I'd never remember it because I'd be like half asleep or in between sleep. And then people would say, well, if you're supposed to remember it, it will come back, you know? And I was like, okay, that's kind of freeing. Less pressure to like remember everything. If it was important enough as a message, then it will stick. Yeah.

Yeah. Being, being left-brained majority, I mean, a majority of the time, I'm, I find myself. I find I have a healthy balance. But for a lot of this stuff, I'm usually left-brained. I'm usually very analytical. And sort of like, how can I figure this out? What is like you? Like, what does this mean?

What is this? Am I supposed to be feeling this right now? What am I feeling? Why am I feeling this? Is this normal? And as the week progressed for me, I slowly let go. And a lot of that happened in the debriefs, where I would hear people and their experiences.

And then in comparison to mine, and I was just kind of like, oh, I guess you're just supposed to like go with it and let go. And that was the real big lesson that I learned for the meditations to work is the notion of letting go and for out of body to work as well is you have to you have to just completely release

physically mentally emotionally yeah like I felt like you I was it started up all it started all up here and slowly it went to here like it was less about my mind and more my heart as cheesy as that sound

but there's something to it you know where it was more feeling an immersive opening than an analytical problem to solve every time the first you know the first experience

that I had with this that you know I guess I'll run through my first out of body because I really didn't talk about it in the video much I dramatized it for the video and made a sort of

a skit out of it but that actually happened to me so I had a question about that because you said before you tell it again but that was in October this was October last year okay Because remember I came here to, and Wes was here when at dinner,

you told me about an OBE. I swear that it was like something you were recalling from a long time ago. Oh, no, it just happened. Oh, shoot. Yeah, it had just just happened. And looking back at the timeline was really interesting because it was just when we got back from seeing Joe. Yes.

When you think about it. Yeah. Right? So it was amidst all of this OBE talk. I had one. I didn't even realize it at the time. Did you have two, though? I had two back to back.

Oh, they were back to back. Back to back two nights in a row. Wow. Okay. So the way this happened is I had stopped smoking weed for like a week because at this point I'd quit vaping. I was vaping all the time and I was like, ugh, I got to get rid of this stuff. So to quit vaping, I also stopped smoking weed because any sort of inhalation vice

would just trigger and I would want to vape again. So I'd just quit everything. And about a week later, I didn't know this, but there's something called REM rebound. And when REM rebound happens is basically this floodgate of REM sleep that you naturally seek, that your mind naturally needs there. And it builds up. So it stores itself. And then when you have this REM rebound of this release after, you know, all these inhibitors are gone, it comes pouring out. I didn't know this.

But at the same time, I was having a hard time sleeping because I wasn't doing my nightly, you know, weed smoking routine right, fall asleep. and so I was like maybe I'll take a melatonin so I took a little melatonin and in Canada and this is something I found it in the comments it's not legal everywhere I guess you have to have it prescribed in some places here it's over the counter so I popped a melatonin melatonin is also known

to increase it helps something get secreted from the pineal gland and it helps increase REM sleep basically again so I'm just like creating the perfect storm right now I go to sleep in my sleep I have Now, it's to be noted. As a child, I've always had vivid dreams,

and a lot of times they'd turn lucid since I was a kid. I'd have lucid dreams. I'd be able to control my dreams. And a lot of times, this is weird to say, but a lot of times the way that those dreams would be controlled is through like a sex dream. I would get aroused in my dream, and then I would say, oh, this is a dream.

I can just have sex here. And it would turn lucid. Like any 13 year olds like. Exactly. It still happens to me as an adult, right? But not so much when I was smoking weed. And so now I'm having all these strange dreams throughout this week. After about day three, day four, I'm starting to have vivid dreams and they're starting

to turn lucid. Now at the last day, like day seven, day seven or day eight, I'm having this nightmare. I do not recall the nightmare, but it wasn't something, it wasn't like a catastrophe and it wasn't a monster or anything like that. It was more like a figure that I was afraid of. And I couldn't, it was just like gave me a real fright. And I was like, no, I don't want to be here, don't want to be here. And I forced my eyes to open.

Like I could feel me forcing my eyes to open. And this is a trick when I was a kid to get out of dreams. I was like, and open them up. Now I'm in my bed. I'm in my bed. The room is gray and fuzzy. I'm vibrating. Like, there's a hum.

There's like a whew. And I feel. my whole body humming like a tuning fork. And I hear this loud whoosh right at the beginning. And everything's like grainy like high like ISO on a camera. When you ramp up the ISO. And I'm in my bed. And I have this feeling much like I do in lucid dreams where I can just fly. And I haven't done that since a long time. I haven't flown in a very long time my dreams. I used to fly all the time. and but I'm in my bed right so I'm like huh I have the same feeling so I just start lifting off and I'm lifting I'm lifting I'm lifting I'm maybe three feet out of my bed when it dawns on me that I'm

flying in my fucking room and the terror that I felt you have to understand people are like why were you afraid imagine you started flying right now right now not when you're asleep right now so the important thing is that it's a difference between like you know you're not dreaming i woke up i woke up from a nightmare to be in my bed now i know that there's the whole inception thing where you wake up into a dream into a dream this did not feel like that it did not feel like that to this day i i you know anyways i i get scared i get scared i'm like no no no and i slam back into my body i then come to i'm in my room it's darker now i can't see anything very strange i could see a second ago i can't see anything now.

I get up, my heart's beating, pounding, I drink some water. I was very shaking. I was like, what a wild dream. But I'm so affected by it because I'm like, normally when you come out of a dream, you're like, oh, that was just a dream. This didn't feel like that. I was like, God, that's so strange. So the next day, I'm like, let me try this again, see if this goes anywhere.

I talked to some people about it. I was like, really fucking bizarre happening to me. They're like, oh, it goes to a dream. I was like, yeah, okay. Popped another melatonin, went to bed, woke up, same thing. Familiar, gray buzzing, everything. And I'm like, here we go again. I'm in my bed. This time I lift out. And I'm going up. I'm about four feet above my bed. Easier to get there? Same. Okay. It wasn't hard to lift out. I've never had a hard time, you know, flying in dreams.

Okay. So I lift out. I'm above the bed. This time I turn around. Like rotated? Yeah, exactly. Like turn my gaze. And I see me. and I remember saying myself, don't be scared. Don't be scared this time. We're in it. We're doing it. And I see me and oh my God. The fear, the sheer terror that grips you is paralyzing.

Imagine I'm talking to you right now. And imagine I go, hey, Nelson, look at that. And you look and it's just you sitting there. That's how scared I was. It was real. This time I'm floating back to my body. I'm like swimming back to my body. And I remember feeling myself.

interfacing with my body. Like I felt me coming into myself. Yeah. Like, it was like, I felt this. Like, if you do this with your fingers, that's kind of what it felt like. Okay, okay. And I go in, but this time, I, my body's here, let's say.

I go here and then I go lower. And now I'm like four inches past. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it frighten me even more. And I get back in my body, wake up, sort of like, so scared. Because now I'm like, I didn't know you can go down. I didn't know.

down was an option. Yeah, what's there? I knew up was an option. But what's down? I don't want to go down. How far can you go? Terrified. Terrifying, terrifying.

I start Googling this stuff. And it turns out the symptoms that I had are really shared by a lot of people. From the sounds, the vibrations, to everything. I didn't know anything about out-of-body experience. I didn't know that's what I had. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't make sense of it until I started really accepting the fact that, oh, this is what Joe McMonigle was talking about. It was what Ed Dames was talking about. And, and then sort of everything

synchronized and fell into place to where, you know, we got to go experience that over there. I want to ask you, sorry for rambling, was there a point in your retreat where anyone had a real out-of-body experience? I think it might have been me. It sounded like there were more going on at yours in terms of that. Or maybe people who have had experiences. prior. Right. But nobody had had an experience prior. Really?

From what I understood. Wow. Everybody, except save two or three people, had multiple experiences prior. But, you know, maybe the curators that, that's right. That's right. That's right. They're more of that realm. Yeah.

You know, our group was average people, you know, that all sorts of backgrounds, mostly people who were just curious, you know, about not necessarily OBEs. Actually, I don't think anybody was there to say, hey, I want an OBE. I think that might have been more me than anybody. Really? At least to start, you know? And curiosity of just beyond the self, the physical self. But, yeah, nobody really talked about it.

They had very profound experiences. And I said this as a trainer. I was like, I came here more with this intention of having OBEs, and that's what I thought this was all about. But it was like a very tiny part of it in the end. Because it was a gateway program. And the first step of gateway is Focus 10. And Focus 10 is readily used for out of body.

Yeah. It is the mind-awake body asleep. That is the out-of-body state. You know, from there it's expanded awareness, no time, you know, the intergalactic highway, all that stuff. Yeah. But, yeah, that's interesting. But I had a few experiences. It wasn't what I expected fully, but I did have some, I would categorize them as OBEs for sure.

So, because I know that there is, Arki told me one of the trainers there that they're, you know, because I was always like, oh, out of body is the way to go. Out of body is what I want. And he's like, out of body is fine. But the amount of things that you can do with just projecting your consciousness or a part of your consciousness. And he's like, that's not necessarily out of body, but it's literally a part of your consciousness is going out there. Okay. But you're not floating above your body.

So you're projecting a piece of your consciousness. And so I'm wondering if that's something more, because I don't feel like you had like that. You didn't pop out. No. Right. Well, so the big thing that happened to me, I didn't pop out like you said.

It probably sounds, I resonate more with what you just said, where it sounded like my consciousness was there. And I also questioned whether it was like, did I remote view this? Yes. Or is it all in the same? Yeah, or is it all the same. But the thing with remote viewing is usually,

and there's theories about this, but who knows what's real or not, but after you do a session, you see your work after. Like the feedback is there. And that's important because a lot of people say that remote viewing is precognition. Yeah.

And so all you're really seeing is yourself, seeing the results afterwards. Right. It's, yeah, it's retrocausality or whatever. Yeah. So if you don't look at the feedback, then you don't expect to have a good session. So it's a big part of the process, kind of a weird loop there. So when I had this thing happen to me, I didn't get the feedback. I didn't have the body pop out, so what was it, you know? Let me explain the story because it was the first thing that really blew my mind there.

and I don't remember. I think it was Focus 10 still, but we had a free flow session where they're basically telling us to try it, have maybe a purpose, and state that to yourself, and then see what happens. No for it.

And so I think some people maybe had more meaningful purposes, but I was like, I'm going to guess a number. And so I asked one of the other people at random, hey, can you write down a four-digit number, put it on your desk, They're in a different room. And I'm going to see if I can come out of my body and see it. And then we'll confirm it, you know?

Not really expecting to. Take us through what happened. Yeah. Take us through the feeling and everything. I want to know everything. Yeah. So let's see. So I don't know this person.

I don't know what they're going to guess. I don't know anything about them. This is literally day one after the orientation when we all landed. The free flow focus 10 on day one. Yeah. Yeah. Third session. Yeah.

Something like that. And so I go to my little cubby, my check unit. You know, we're going through these guided steps with Bob in our ears and the sounds, soundscapes. And I'm trying so hard like to pop out as if it's like, you know. Like a physical activity. Like I'm trying to take a shit or something. You know what I mean?

Like it's like, come on. You know, spiritual crap. And I've heard things like pull the rope or climb out or roll out. Yeah, the rollout we did later. I didn't know about that one. as a technique, but nothing's happening. And then I just relax and I'm just like, you know what? I'm just going to, I see what I see, you know?

And I started to get these splotches. And again, this is on the border of being kind of a sleep slash awake. So I'm sure I clicked out, they call it, when you kind of sleep for a second and you're back. But I started to get these splotches. And the way I described it to the people there is it felt like I was in a dark room, black, and I had a lantern like candlelit lantern and a dark cave right and I could light certain things up

and it was kind of lit like this a little bit and then it would close off and it was black again and the first splotch of things I could see was kind of like a wall a textured wall and I remember kind of running my hand across it and then it disappeared okay then it showed kind of the floor and you know those the check units have like a little

opening yeah like a wooden frame around the opening that you get into your bed. And so I saw the bottom corner of that if I was like looking at the floor and there was a bunch of like bags slash clothes there. And I was like, okay, you know, this looks like a side of the bed kind of thing and then it closed off. And then the next was an angular like, imagine this is the desk. It was a little smaller. But I had an angle of it like this.

So kind of a shallow angle, not above. and there were papers not as many as this but a few papers on there and one slash card small paper with numbers on it and I read clearly 173 and then I couldn't quite make out the last digital a bit fuzzy maybe because of the angle I don't know and I was like that is so clear to me that is a number and then I realized to myself like this is the person's room this is the table this is I don't know why there's other stuff on the table that felt weird to me like If this person was going to do this, I'd imagine they'd clear the table and make it very pronounced and easy to see. But whatever, there's a number.

So I write it down. And it's funny because before I was like just getting into the session, I had a gut feeling of a number. And I said, oh, maybe that's the number, like kind of a remote viewing thing. But then I had the table number, the one I actually saw. So I actually wrote down two numbers. And I wrote next to what I said, 1022. That was the other one. I said, that's a gut feeling.

And I'm going to ignore that one because AOL. A well, and I wanted to go with the one that I saw. Yeah. If I saw any. And I saw that 173. Well, so I saw 173 and I put a 6 at the end. So 1736. So I'm all excited.

I written in my journal and I go out into our fox's den and the girl is coming down the stairs with the paper. And it says 173, 4. Right? And my hair is on my arm. And 10,000 chance right there. Yeah. I mean, it's not the same number, right? The last digit was off.

But I knew that I was not sure about the last digit. Dude. And even still, like to get those first three digits in the correct positions, too, to one to seven, the three. Yeah. It's hard. And the trainers were even like, if you know remote viewing or anything where you see numbers. Numerics.

Yeah. It's really difficult. Absolutely. You can see shapes, ideas of things, but actual alphanumerics is really hard to discern. So that was crazy. And then later in the day, I asked the girl, I was like, do you have a picture of that, by the way? I don't.

Okay. She might have. Okay. I have to ask her. I should have taken a picture. But I was like, can I see her room? There were some pieces to my vision that I just want to like confirm. And sure enough, she had her bags and clothes all over the floor.

On the table, she had a bunch of papers. She's a mother. So she was also pumping. So she had paraphernalia for that. And that was all over the table too. And I was like, I didn't make those out. And I couldn't have told you. It was breast pump stuff.

But it was clearly other things on the table. And it's funny because she made a note. And she said, like, yeah, when I travel, I'm such a mess. And her roommate had her own desk and it was in the same room. It was all clean as could be. Like my desk was clean as can be. I just, we just got there. But she happened to have all this crap all over the floor and all over the desk.

And it's like, that's what I saw. So you, that is so freaking wild, dude, first of all. Like, you projected your conscience. You were there. Yeah. And you got these, like, small glimmers of, like, so you were like, you had, like, part of your consciousness, if not all of it, be in this place. Yeah.

I'm so curious to know that, like, if she was there in awake, would she have been able to feel or hear or see you or something? Like, it's so interesting to me. Yeah. She would have told me, I guess, but I didn't ask if she felt me there. That's so freaking cool, man. So that got me on a high and everybody was like, who is this guy? He's so good at this already.

I was like, I've never done this in my life, okay? I don't know what happened. Maybe it was like what I needed to see because I'm very skeptical about this and maybe that was part of my messaging. Like they'll give me a little they. I don't know what they is, but they'll give me a little flavor so that like the rest of the week can just be more about. You can be open to it. Yeah.

Because I don't want to be there to like guess numbers and do parlor tricks. I wanted to at that point get deep, you know, with myself. And I think getting that out of the way, let me kind of get deeper with myself and experience other things. Dude, that is so awesome. Yeah. That is when I heard that, I mean, that is just one of those personal confirmations. Yeah. That you definitely need doing this.

And the thing is with this is like when you're on this path or whatever it is, like the universe will kind of like give you those signs. throw up these impossible coincidences. And my brain, here's a really interesting thing about coincidences that I picked up recently. You might like this because in mathematical terms, a coincidence is when like two angles coincide. Now, when things, two things coincide. Okay. Right? They fit perfectly together.

Now, in math, that's on purpose. Okay. Because if you have these things with these angles and it coincides with this one, it's not range. Right, or if we're talking about the word coincide. Yes, yes, yes. And that's where it comes from. Right, okay. So we somehow have chosen to add, you know, accidental to this meaning.

Yeah. When in math, it isn't an accident. When a coincidence happens, it is calculated on some level through math. Yeah. And so it was just a really interesting notion for me to think of, look at coincidences differently now. Yeah. Like maybe I just don't have the formula or know the law. but coincidences, I think, are not coincidences.

And that's not something I would have fit. Yeah. It's not something I would have thought of before. You know, I was very much against that. I was like, well, that's the definition of a coincidence. You know. Love that. Yeah, but that's really interesting.

You know, we had a few sessions as well. Like our remote viewing session when Joe McMonigle came over, everybody got to remote view. And the session was, it was. it was the city of St. Louis had the arch and it had the big stadium. Yes. I drew the stadium. I picked up in the stadium.

Yeah, I have it here. I'll show you. And about half the class picked up on the arch, which is really cool. Yeah. So I'll show you this here in a second. By the way, I had to, we got the same thing. You were front-loaded? I couldn't do it because I had seen your story.

So I was like, I asked the trainer, I was like, is this the same one you did a couple of weeks back? And he was like, yeah, I was like, okay, I can't do it. So that's the... Wow. Yeah. And that was the... Yeah.

Yeah. So it was the same type thing. But we had like a few good sessions. And then, you know, the one was like the devil's peak or whatever. Okay. That mountain. We had like the, you know, looks like a giant tree trunk. What they used in close encounters.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. And Marco had picked up on that. He had drawn this like thing with like a bunch of trees around and he drew a UFO over it. And he's like, I don't know what this means. And then it was the devil's peak or whatever it was. And then it was. we're like, yeah, that's where they film close and counters the third kind. That's the UFO

connection. That's so funny. But one thing we had throughout the week, and you probably had this too, was we would start, and this is apparently very normal for the Monroe Institute. Okay. We would start popping up in each other's sessions. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, we would come back. It was so excited from these sessions and be like, hey, you showed up in mine, and they're like, you showed up in mine. Yeah. And like, oh, like, And we'd have these exchanges that were just, we were so excited to tell other people, like, or we'd have a secret message. And the people would tell you that. Like, we had, it was, I think, Ignacio and Amy. And they're both kind of veterans to this whole thing. And Ignacio had Amy had Amy present her, I think, with a, what he described as a bubble gum. But it was a round bubble. made of like a soap bubble but he called it bubble gum for some reason

and she's like oh she's like that's funny because I was just playing she's like I brought this little there's like a toy gun that shoots bubbles and I go bubble gun and they go whoa and she was playing with it just earlier

and like this weird connection happened and so I saw her in the meditation early in the day and so I said those words to her and I waited to see if she was going to tell me or say the word bubble gum

so when she said that I said this has to be it's this round bubble type thing so I shared with her and then she shared with me that at lunch while I was inside talking she was out by the pool trying to get her bubble machine to work I brought well it was funny because at lunch when you mentioned to me you're like, you know, like a soap bubble, like the little bubbles.

I'm like, I was fiddling with it for like an hour. I couldn't get it to work on batteries to like, dude, it's like a little fun kid's toy where it blows them, and I was going to try and take pictures. And, yeah, so I brought a bubble gun. A bubble gun. A bubble gun. A bubble gun!

There it is. I brought a bubble gun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. all these like overlaying things happen quite a bit and then as you know in the story where i saw

jordan's scoreboard yep the dallas saw his face his his disembodied head appear like 3d i was like oh it's kind of scary and then boom this scoreboard dallas zero and stats and i was googling trying to find a picture of this and you don't watch sports i've no i didn't know i don't you know shit about sports i know i know i know sports i used to play basketball of course i don't follow sports. You don't follow sports. I didn't know, A, that Dallas,

I didn't know that the playoffs were happening. Yeah. I didn't know that Dallas were in the playoffs. I didn't know anything. Anything about, like, you could have told me

the playoffs are in four months or they happened yesterday and I would have believed you. I had no idea. And so when I was like, hey, and he was like, in the foxes stand, I came up to him.

I was like, hey, does this mean anything to you? And he goes, well, funny that you say that. He's like, first of all, he's like, I'm from Dallas. Mavericks are my favorite team. and they're playing tonight and it's an elimination game and it's been on my mind

and I usually don't think about it but today I was like I have to think I was like whoa that's great yeah so it was like one of those like knowings like when you had that vision you're just like oh that's it

that's when I saw it I was like this is something because it was so striking to me it wasn't a memory it wasn't like a you know like sometimes we get these vague 2D sort of like memories and we're like oh it's like an overlay this was like in like 3D

I was like, uh, in your face. Yeah. And something in your video, you said how you were like reluctant to tell him. I felt that too with things like, even though you know.

Yeah. And even with my horse race thing, like even though you know, there's that creeping in of human skepticism. Yeah. That just was like, no, this is stupid. Don't make a fool yourself.

Or you're, don't go with that. But the one thing that I love that Joe says, and he said it in our session, I'm sure he said it to yours, is that. He said a lot of things. He said a lot of things.

He said a lot of things. We talk about this as a sixth sense. First of all, he didn't remember either of us. No. He sort of pretended, but I could see the glazed overlook at his eyes. He meets a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, I was kind of disappointed.

It's all right. No offense. But he said, you know, we talk about this stuff as being like a sixth sense, but it's really your first sense. Ooh. And he talks about how that's how our species has survived. Yeah. You know, based on that instinctive thing.

So, you know, we, I think society has kind of pushed that away. So, like, even when we have these gut instincts, it's kind of, like, hard for us to be like, yeah, is this? And not get ridiculed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're absolutely right. So we're kind of programmed to squash it.

Yeah. So. Yeah. And, you know, that's a really interesting thing about remote viewing, too. And Dr. May said the same thing was that all of these things are more accurate when there's a life on the line. Yeah, okay. That makes sense.

More at stake. Yeah. Because then it also ties into that primitive instinct that we may have developed through, you know, survival mechanism. Yeah. You know, to stay alive, like if something dangerous is going to kill you, you know what I mean, or harm your family, then you might get a vision, an omen. Yeah.

You know, and, and. Save your life. Exactly. And that's why it was so effective for the CIA because a lot of times it was hot. hostage situations or it was, you know, high entropy targets like nuclear things. Terrorist, war-related. Exactly. War-related.

And that's, you know, because they, they, they, and children. Finding children, Joe would always say. He's like, he'd have a very easy time finding kids. Yeah, yeah. Because, again, the life was on the line. And it was like this, I don't know, this, maybe this vibration of this pulse being sent out as like a help signal, you know, that you're picking up on. I was going to tell you one more thing about the coinciding storylines or visions that people would have near the end of the week.

One session was really profound for me. And then I thought it was going to end. I thought Bob, who was in our ear, was going to kind of wind us down. But there was like more to it. And I was like, oh, shoot, what do I do now? I'm like, I did good on this one. Like, I have nothing to do. So I was like, I'll try to get out of body.

And I did. And I felt like a pop. Like, I was walking around. foxes done and i was like i'm gonna go and try to get people out of their things and like we'll go for a ride you know like go hang out so i was like going room to room trying to pull bodies out um and uh along the way i went up the stairs um to the second floor i was on the bottom floor and i bump into someone who was floating towards me and it was uh this woman elizabeth and i was like what's up you know in my vision or whatever and i keep going uh and i try to

pull some people out. They didn't confirm that. So that didn't work out. But Elizabeth said that she had an experience where she wasn't sure if it was an out of body, but I think it was. She didn't say she saw me, but it was the one time in the whole experience that she felt something where she was out in the hallways. That was a bit of a confirmation there. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't, I would have liked more confirmation, but it's funny that I saw her only and that she had. the one instance right then, that exact same session, you know? Very cool. Yeah.

Yeah. The thing about the out of bodies that I've had, because I've had two since I've gotten back so far. Okay. And maybe by the time this video goes up, I've had more. Yeah. One was through a lucid dream after lucid dreaming, or rolling out of a lucid dream. But the second one was from my bed once again. Okay.

And I can tell you, like, when I hear this, when I hear you saying, you don't know if it wasn't out of body? Like, there's no other explanation. I see myself. I'm in my room. I'm physically feeling things. And I'm awake. And I can see myself.

And it is so scary and terrifying. Like, there's no other explanation other than, okay, that's an out of body. Like, for me. So when I hear you say, like, I don't know. Like, I have a hard time imagining what it is you're seeing. If it's just like a projected consciousness or if it's, it's not because I know it is real because you obviously come back with these numbers and everything else, but it's just such a varying, the experiences are varied.

And I found that with other people too. Like where mine is fuzzy, Arkey said that his started off being fuzzy, just like mine. Black and white, no color, fuzzy, low ISO. And you could feel it, you're walking around your house and you can put your hand through a while, you're like, whoa, like all these things. But as he did it more and more, become more clear. And then Rosa Lee said she would demand,

command clarity. She would go, clarity now. Oh, okay. And she's a very docile person, like, very shy. But she's like, when I get in my out of body, she's like, I'm very commanding. And she's like, you have to be because it's your reality. And she's like, clarity now. And all of a sudden it would be clear as day, right? And we would joke about like, oh, you need OBE plus. You need to sign up for OBE plus to get like the HD version. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the 4K. Exactly. The 4K. 4K streaming. Yeah, but just to touch on that, because for me it was, there's no, like, I know I was out of body because I could see my body.

Yeah. No, I mean, I did have a short instance where it felt like that. And I wouldn't describe it as having terror though. But we were in the check units doing our thing. And at one point, I had an itch on my nose. And I'd really try not to move in my sessions. And I usually had my hands like interlaced across my chest here. And I went to scratch my nose.

And I realized. I was like into my face. Ah, you were scratching with your, with your consciousness. My fake hand or whatever. Your spirit body. And then it snapped back, right? And there was that like realization, the kind of thing. And that felt like an out of body.

More like what you're talking about. And the H went away, by the way. Yeah. But who knows, maybe I was just mentally, it went away. And kind of a couple more times that little snapping happened in the same session. Like I leaned up to reach, it was kind of the tail end of the session. I was reaching my notebook by my foot. and my hand went through the notebook.

I was like, oh, fuck, it's, uh, yeah, and then I zapped back. Yeah. And another instance of that happened, but. Okay, so those, those are more in line with the kind you're talking about. Yeah, I think. But seeing the number, I never felt like I was popped out or floating anywhere or seeing my body. Same with the one where I, like, walked around.

But that's the arc he was telling me about. He was like, there is more than one way to have experiences with your consciousness. And the one thing he kept emphasizing was, you can take a portion of your consciousness and send it anywhere in the universe and in time and space and bring back information he's like that is much more valuable

he's like there is sort of almost like a like a novelty to the out of body thing where it's like you want to have it but once you've had it over and over and over and over and over and over again you're kind of like okay but now what what else can I do you know and that's

I've now I'm on my fourth out of body experience that I've had and I'm still in the phase of I want to do out of body still because I'm tiptoeing from having those really crazy flying experiences to the third one I had which was like I can't even explain like I'll talk about it here quickly but I was in a dream and it was turning into a sex dream and it was during a gateway the true gateway experience well during that moment that I realize it's this can be a sex dream i was like oh this is a dream and now i was like oh forget that yeah i'm like i want to go out of body and as soon as i i utter those words in my imagination i get thrown is the only description i can have my consciousness gets

thrown i feel myself being projected i like a thousand miles an hour and darkness complete darkness just just being thrown super scared hearing a a loud whoosh, like a whoosh, like this. While it's happening, I was like, oh my God. I'm like, it's happening. I'm out of body. And I remember thinking to myself because Hannah, who is one of the people that was there.

And she was the only person who had an actual out of body experience while we were there. And she'd never had one before. And she described, it was really interesting. And she kind of thought to herself like, oh, maybe this isn't for me, just happening to everybody else, you know, like that type of deal. And when it happened to her, she got this like what she describes as a peppermint feeling.

all over her body, like a cold peppermint feeling. And I had that same feeling. But then she popped out like a, she's like, she describes it like the soul popped out of the mold of her body, like an ice cube out of a tray. Oh, okay. That's a good visual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instantly, she has a sister that lives in Paris.

So she's like, Paris, Paris, Paris. You know, you panic when you're out of body. Every time it's happened to me, like, since I've been out of body, I'm like, oh, what do I do with this? I don't want to go back to the body. Think of something, right? And you panic. And everybody's like, slow down, but you have no, like, you're kind of excited.

Yeah. And she goes, Paris, Paris, Paris, and whooshes off to Paris. She's flying around Paris. Now she's thinking, I want to get a croissant. And she was way too excited, slammed back in her body because any emotional spike will bring you back. And wakes up, you know, in tears. Like, she was so happy. As soon as I left the body and I'm being projected in this eternal darkness, I'm thinking

to myself, oh, what do I do? And I go, Paris, Paris, Paris. when I said it my voice was like a devil it was like purrish purse I remember thinking like what the fuck

did that come from me and then I felt the world around me shift like I felt everything shit even in the darkness like everything was shifting like I was going to Paris but then I was like

oh well I can't see anything let me open my eyes so I started open my eyes I'm forcing my eyes open and now I see these giant monolithic cubes churning is the only way I can say into each other

with this giant sound this rumbling like tesseract like it sounds like inception when the exactly actually pulls on itself yeah it kind of felt like that and I was like I was scared of it and I closed my eyes I opened it again still there I was like god no and I was like wiggle your fingers and I wiggle my fingers and I feel myself slam back in my body

so that was that was a totally different thing never happened like that was it felt closer to a dream than the other things because I couldn't see myself I couldn't see my room but this next one that happened a few weeks ago or last week just a couple days ago I'm I get up it's like 1.30 in the morning I'm up in my bed and I'm thinking just to go back to sleep

I'm like I'm very tired I can probably maybe I can have an out of body experience and so I close my eyes I'm in my bed and I go I deeply desire to leave my body in my head I deeply desire to leave my body and on a third time I say it I felt myself go like glitching back and forth

Okay. Like a vibratory glitch. It was very bizarre. At this point, I was buzzing already. My whole body was vibrating. And I'm sinking into my bed. Now I'm sinking into my bed. I'm like, okay, it's happening.

You get that familiar feeling of out of body. I know I'm there. I know I'm in this upside down realm. It's happening. I force my eyes open. Now I see my room. I'm in the mattress. And I'm like, oh, I got to get up.

And I put my hand on the mattress and I lift myself up. and I look and I just see myself there just dead. And I go, oh, that's enough for me. All right, that's enough. And I go right back into my body. And I'm wide awake at this point. My heart's pounding. And that's the sort, that's where I'm at with all this.

You got to get over that fear of seeing yourself. I don't know how you do that. It's, uh, and Archie said it takes time. He's like, it's very scary at first. But eventually through practice, you know, like he said, he's like he would, he would take two steps and go back into his body. He would, you know, push full. Yep, put his hand through the window.

Ooh, that's enough for tonight. Let's go back. Because you do get frightened. Sometimes you might see something else you don't like to see. You're like, ooh, I don't want to see that. I'm going to go back in. And have these experiences and then eventually leave the wind on you fly away. So I'm still in that novelty phase. But to touch back to where I began this rant was there are so many apparent variations of, you know, things you can do with your consciousness.

It makes sense, right? that if our consciousness is infinite and can do all these different things, like why would the experience of having an OBE always be the same? I'm sure it's some projection of how you approach it and what you're feeling, you know, and it can vary.

So that doesn't surprise me, you know. Yeah, and like Joe McMonagall says, he always says, the subconscious knows all. Yeah. Like, it's all knowing. Yep. You know, and then I'm always reminded

that one of my favorite lines from Eddie Vedder, which is, a mindful of questions and a teacher in my soul. And I've never gotten that before. And it was always one of my favorite songs on, sorry, on the album, Into the Wild. The song is called Guaranteed,

a favorite song, and the lyrics are amazing. But now it has a whole different meaning, where I'm like, I do have a teacher. And a teacher might just be me. Yeah, yeah, right. You know, one thing,

one thing I did learn from all this experience is, I can go into a room, turn off the lights, put headphones on, listen to sounds, come out of the room with more knowledge than I had going in. That's so true. And I'm like, where did that come from? I didn't read a book. I didn't watch a show.

I was there by myself, apparently. And yet I come out knowing more. Access something. Yeah, or knowing something better. Knowing more about something. That's wild. Yeah, I have the same feeling too. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

I was going to say, one thing I was going to say is the, you know, talk about the peppermint feeling. It's Hannah. Yeah. When these experiences happened to me or something weird happened, I got like a cold air flying in or out. I couldn't really tell a difference, but a cold pressure difference coming out of my ears every time. Interesting. Yeah. And I feel it coming.

I'm like, because it's not like there's. air being blasted into the headphones. I was like, okay, something's happening. Oh, cool. Yeah, that was pretty interesting. I asked the trainers in there, like, I've never heard that before. So, again, maybe it's just people have different.

I think so. Yeah. I think we all have different precursors to knowing. I now get that peppermint feeling. I get it in my stomach and in my back. Like, it starts growing. And I'm like, what's happening? I try not to get excited.

But for me, vibrations is the big one. It starts at my feet. And if I'm having a really good session, it'll, like, stay around the lower part of my body. but if I'm having like a really intense thing it'll climb up and it'll be my whole body and in the book journey journeys out of the body

he recommends controlling it to a point where you can run it up your body and down kind of like this so you're creating this pulse going up and down and that's like part of the practice of eventually popping out so I'm getting there cool yeah I mean

with the different frequencies with F10 15, 21, 12, whatever we were touching on, like, I could feel vibrational differences. Like, and not necessarily in my body sometimes, but it would be like around my head or like where my consciousness was expanding into or like my brain felt like it was being like jiggled, you know? Like weird sensations with different depths of relaxation or those different frequencies. Stuff I've never felt in my life.

life. So bizarre. Yeah. Bizarre, but also familiar. Yeah. Is the, is the other thing. There's like, you know. Like, I was going to say loving and comforting, but that's almost, that's familiar. That's essentially what that is. Yeah. Like, getting to know myself, like, I put this into words yesterday, but it was like, it was like kind of like seeing an old childhood friend for the first time in 30 years. Yeah. It was new. but familiar. Yeah. I was like,

oh, this is me. Like, and yeah, my, how we've changed. Yeah. This is,

this is, this is refreshing, familiar, nice, you know, you got that nostalgic feeling of, oh,

hey, young Chris, you know, there you are. Yeah. You know, and kind of like, you know,

the movie Hook when Robin Williams goes back, and then he realizes that he's Peter Pan. Yeah. And that kind of, like,

oh, and they're like, oh, there you are, Peter, you know, I kind of, to feel like that now.

I was like, oh, we're worried this whole time. Yeah, yeah. I found myself, like, wanting to jump into my check unit. Like, I was so excited. Like, let's go. I'm, like, on a journey. And even, you know, I came back Friday and didn't really, I was exhausted, travel day.

And then Saturday, I finally got a moment to do a longer exercise. And I got so excited. And when I was in it, I was, like, so familiar to be back in that place. And I was just so happy to do it again. to relax and hear some of the sounds and even Bob's voice like has now become like this very comforting thing to hear yeah yeah we always joke like uh we all have daddy issues because you're like coming you're like you couldn't wait for Bob to tuck in every night wake you up in the morning yeah definitely daddy issues the one thing that was weird to me was when

he would say the thing about eliminations like a lot of eliminations do you remember that line no like it was usually when you're coming out and he'd be like, you know, you'll remember everything you said, we, you saw and you'll be more perfect coming out of this and relax and all the eliminations will be, uh, complete and stuff.

I just like, I never got that. No. May I drown that out. Weird. Um, but I was like, what illuminations are you talking about here? Sometimes I would,

I would, um, I'd be very much awake and I, and I would hear his voice come in in mid sentence. Oh, interesting. And I was like, Oh, I just, like, somehow click out of his voice.

Like, I would drown him out sometimes, but I was not in a state of sleep. Same. Yeah, no, sometimes he'd be counting. You know, we go to 12 and it'd be like 10, 11, and that it'd be like 15. Oh, what happened to the other one? I was here. I was here. I was not asleep because I had like all these visions and stuff.

It is funny because when you get into the mind-awake body asleep, so the first thing that goes is your sense of touch. that's the first thing that goes. And you can feel that when you're meditating that your hands feel numb and your feet. Which is like nothing. Yeah, there's nothing there. Like you kind of feel like, oh, they could be up here.

Yeah. Right? And it's like that whole feeling. So your feeling, your touch goes first. That's right. Then it's your sense of smell. Then it's your, then it's one of the other, but it's hearing and sight.

or smell, taste, hearing and sight. Sight and hearing go last. So after that, you're asleep. And so the Focus 10 is trying to play with that, but not fall asleep. And you can tell it's starting to happen when you lose the feeling of your limbs. That's when you're like, okay, that's the first phase. second phase should be you know taste and smell which you can't really you can't really tell but then you're in this weird in between of sight and sound where like we said you start you stop

hearing things you start hearing other things you stop seeing things or you start seeing other things and that's when it becomes nebulous in this weird realm where you start getting visions I heard heard the one of the last sessions I had clear as day like I'd hear a car door slamming sometimes, like things like that. But on right as I was exiting, I heard, woohoo! Like this, like, it was like Mario Brothers or something. It was like this loud, like audible.

I was like, the hell is that? Yeah. Did they throw like, and I asked the trainers out, do you guys have like a little sound board? You hit like a woo-hoo? Yeah. And they're like, what? No.

I was like, okay. And nobody else heard that? No. Okay. It was just, yeah, there was a clear like, woohoo like super happy ecstatic like can't explain it but a lot of strange a lot of strange occurrences happen at the monroe institute yeah they are no stranger to that over there they've come across a lot of it yeah you know it was crazy another kind of profound like confirmation again

was and this happened throughout but really when we did focus 10 uh 15 uh which is this no time state. They didn't really front load us much before that. And I found what was amazing when we came out, we were all asked to describe what we, where we were, what we felt. Same description all across the board. I mean, to varying degrees, but essentially the same. The no time, the void, a black, kind of like nowhereness, infinite possibilities, potential

or whatever. And this is common, not just. just our group. Yep. They said that this is what... We had the same thing. So for me to think, like, there's different frequencies. The binaural beats were different for this state.

And it's like a cocktail of sounds, but ultimately it's this difference in frequency. I was like, how can such a... Obviously, that's generating a relaxing state that's common for these, all of us. But like, how interesting is it that we're all kind of going to the same place? Yeah. Yeah. You know, without... It's a real place.

Yeah. Yeah. no absolutely you're all making the same shit up you know and and and and that you know also goes into focus 21 and 27 40 and all the all the higher levels of like interdimensionality

and you know these beings and whatnot like people say the same thing they report the same things on these different levels yeah which is interesting we on focus 15 what was interesting our second session the entire group clicked out oh really not one person interesting was this the one where you went

up 15 down to 12 up to 15 down to 12? Exactly. We all clicked out. Every single person. Weird. Not one person had anything to report. That's bizarre.

As soon as I started like in the hallways and I'm like, oh, clicked out on that one. I'm like, oh, yeah, that happens. You know, how'd you do? I clicked out. We're like, oh, yeah, us too. Yeah, nice. How about you were there?

Clicked out. We're like, dude, do we all click out? Weird. We go inside, people saying down, like, hey, how did you guys do? I clicked out. I was like, we all clicked out. We're all sitting down. Somebody comes in.

You clicked out, didn't you? They're like, yeah. I'm like, whoa. And then 13 of us are like, yeah, we all clicked out. Wow. Every one of us. Nobody had anything before. That's got to mean something, right?

I don't know. I thought, like, we had like theories that like, do we all just get abducted? As a group, there was scoops you all up. Does something happen? Did we get like a, maybe a communal download or something? Damn. Yeah. I mean, there's some other interesting things that I love to get into, but I think we'll save it.

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I would plug going to the Monroe Institute. Holy crap. What an amazing experience. Whether you're a spiritual, believe in the paranormal or not, you know, like I think it's a way to get to know yourself and answer some deep questions. Again, you don't have to be, I don't believe in God. I don't know what I believe in anymore, but it's profound. And I can't recommend enough. Yeah, well said. All right, guys, we'll see you on the next one. Peace.