AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - The Man Who Attracts UFOs - Chris Bledsoe Uncut Interview

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Watch the Documentary here: https://youtu.be/vQqErgnc_3g

Hey folks, welcome back. This week's episode is a little bit different. I had a conversation with Chris Bledso known for his best-selling book, UFO of God. He's got an interesting story which he gets into and you'll hear more about that in a second. I spent lots of time with Chris and his family and actually made a full-length documentary, which is available to watch for free on my YouTube channel at Area 52 Investigations. And I didn't want to post that entire documentary here to Spotify because I many of you only listen and don't watch these podcasts. But I also wanted to give you guys something to listen to this week. So this week's a bit different.

This will be a full, uncut interview with Chris Bledso. There is absolutely no editing in this conversation. This will be unfiltered completely, as Chris told the story. We resume regular programming next week. Have a great weekend. So the day of the event, that changed everything was January the 8th of 07. But I'm going to back up a little bit so you understand why this happened that day.

I know what happened. I was a builder. Always been a builder. My wife's family were builders. My dad was a builder. Other than growing up on farming and building is what I did. life's career was to be a pilot, a commercial pilot, which I have achieved that. But I never, I quit flying because of having children.

I wanted to be home with my children. So I was in the building business in a big way when Desert Storm. And the 911 thing happened, 911. 2001, I was caught with 72 houses under construction. I was a big builder, a lot of houses. We built 100 a year. So that's building two complete a week. So we're putting roofing on two, we're framing two, we're digging two foundations,

we're putting carpet in two, we're putting cabinets in two. So that's how you get 72 under constructions because you're turning two out a week. you got a big operation. Big, yeah. So now I'm with these houses and the World Trade Center collapsed and being in Fayetteville,

North Carolina, which is home of Fort Bragg, Fort Liberty, they call it now, predominant military town, it dried up the house of market. Nobody's buying. They don't know if they're going to be in Iraq or Iran or where they're going to be next week.

So the military just shut down these soldiers coming in and out. And so here I am with nearly $100,000 a month going out in, an interest in overhead and no house at Sela. So I saw a train wreck coming. I was suffering with Crohn's disease since my early 20s, 26 or 7, and developed that. and by now 2001, I went from happy and, you know, living on a golf course and a big old house with a pool and kids playing golf at the country club. You know, I grew up to all of a sudden I see the end coming.

I'm losing everything, and I did. I lost it all. By 2005, I had gone through about $18 million worth of. apartments and condo or houses, everything I had, rental property, to pay the interest in all and to eventually sold the company. To now, 2005, we've sold a business. I'm sick with Crohn's at the worst point of my life

because the more you stress, the worse that disease gets. It's like people, you're, you're, your stress is connected to your stomach, right? That's what Crohn's is a very bad intestinal digestive disease. So recovering from a near-death experience in the hospital by a doctor that had over-medicated me to try to get back into work force. Now, I'm not able to work. I am dealing with this.

sickness and now the worst depression. I'm starting over. I'm 46 years old now I've got to apply for free lunches for my kids in school. That's how bad it got. And so January the 8th of 07, I was, had finally started back trying to work a bit managing a crew of men out of town. Four months later, come January the first. of 2007, right after Christmas, my crew went down to the coast and finished the house and brought

a check back. They did the punch list. And so they show up to my house on the, that day of the 8th, about lunchtime with a check, and they want to celebrate. We've been out of town for months. You know, we don't have another job planned yet, so they just want to enjoy being home. So they went to town, cast your checks after dropping the final check off, called me about 2 o'clock, said, hey boss, who'd like to go fishing?

You want to come celebrate with us? I said, why not? It's just me and Chris Jr., and my wife and other three kids were out of town or with their mom. And so we waited on them. About 2 o'clock, 2.30, they came back to the house. I had, well, they called me. I went to their house. I picked them up.

They were between me, the river's three and a half miles away by car, by area much closer. And their houses were kind of in between that. So it went out of my way much to pick them up. Plus, I had the only four-wheel drive that could get down in this bottom. So now we're walking along, we're parked on the river. We crossed the cornfield. And I kind of give you an idea of where we were. This is cornfield on our left.

And in the middle of this field is a little two-rub route that drives across this field to the far side, to the trees. And when you get to those trees, the river's down in there. So you go down a hill through a gate, a metal gate, sits right on the crest of the hill. This is flat, cornfield. And the river dives off down in. And this gate's sitting right up there on the peak of that hill, right? You don't notice it to you down looking at all you see is the sky and this big old metal gate, right? So I drove down in there about a quarter mile down to the end of a cul-de-sac.

We park by 3 o'clock they're sitting on the bank fishing, backs to the truck. I parked a truck up on the hill. They walked a little bit down. There's another little incline. And I told them, I said, I'm going to walk down in the forest and just meditate. I'm not into fishing. Didn't tell them what I was thinking. I'm crying out, Lord, help me, what do I do?

I'm 46. I'm sick. Can't afford to feed my children now. I need help. This is the mindset. This is the important part that everyone understands what we're dealing, what I was dealing with. So I go into woods, I find a big old tree along the river on a gully and I sit down for about an hour. Now it's 4.30, 445, and it's getting dark in the woods.

The sun sits at 5.30 in January around here, so down under that canopy, it's already dark in there. So I walked back out to where they were fishing and ask them, did they want to stay or fish some more? and they wanted to fish. We just got here, boss, let's fish more. So I said, okay, we need to get a fire going. It's going to get cold tonight. It's about to get dark. So we ran around and picked up a whole big pile of wood

and got a fire going in about 10 minutes to 5 now. I told them once I knew they had the fire and they were sitting there on the bank with the fire. They're facing the water with their poles and the fire right behind them. I thought, yeah, they're settled. I was always an organizer trying to organize people, so I thought they're okay.

Now I'm going to walk up the hill. Instead of down, in the woods, I'm going to go back up to the cornfield, to the way we came in. So I told them that's what I was going to do. I was going to sit up there to dark and watch for wildlife to come out in the field. Maybe a deer would walk out or coyote or turkeys or no. They'd tell them what,

but that was the excuse I used. All the while, I'm struggling mentally what I do. How do I feed my children? I'm depressed, worse than ever. Struggling with thoughts, you know, just a bad place to be. I'm broke. I have nothing. It's hard figuring out how to buy lunch for my family.

So anyhow, I walked through that. first section, and I got a little spook because I heard something walking in the woods beside me, which nothing really spooks me at night like that as I grew up hunting from a young age into woods and never afraid. But all of a sudden, I got a little spooked because when I'd stop, it was stopped. And I couldn't see in the woods it's so thick. but I could hear it and it sounded like two feet

at times walking and so I'd stop and I'd look and I got on my knees three times to look under the shrubs trying to see past the barrier of shrubs that

wind most of the roads and fields around here it's real thick until you get in the woods and it opens up right? So important I mention that

so I get on down to the the dog leg left toward the west. So I'm paralleling the river for a little more than an eighth of a mile. Now I've got an eighth of a mile to go up to the gate. And I'm facing west so I can see the sky. And the sky's not black, the stars aren't out, but I knew the sun was probably beneath the trees.

So I walked up that hill. And when I got within 30 feet of the top of that hill, I began to see what I thought was the source. the top of it. And the higher I got up that hill, the more of the sun I could see. And by the time I got to where I could see the whole thing, I thought, man, that don't even, that's weird. I could see what looked like the sun, the same size, when you can look at it in the evening,

it doesn't hurt your eyes, but it was more blood red. And it looked like fire going around it. And for the first minute, I thought, oh, that I'd struggle with it, you know, this got to be the sun. So it happened very quick. This is what my thoughts was. When I saw that fire going around it, I began to question. So I looked down, I'm having to watch where I'm walking because it's real muddy and grasses are real deep and having a flashlight. And so I take a few more steps up that hill.

And now there are two of these. I can see much more wider view. and I've got two sons that look just alike, and they're just above the trees just beyond the road. So there's 200 yards of field, and they're probably 100 yards behind that up just above the trees. It's set in there, two big glowing orange, tangerine, orange to blood red, kind of in that mix of colors,

and they're swirling around and around fire, and little tips of flames are shooting off in all direction. So I'm freaked out now. I never seen anything like that. Never thought about UFOs. All I thought about it was losing my business and being sick and dealing with that. And so I squatted down and hid myself. I had still more hill in front of me.

I'm not to the top yet. So I'm using that as my advantage. You know, I've ducked down and I look up and they're there. I was dug. I don't know how long I sat there doing that. But it wasn't long that I had gotten afraid enough that I got worried about the boys down the hill and Chris Jr.

So I thought I've got to run. I just can't take this any longer, you know. I didn't know it. I knew I was there. So by saying that is a very big part of this. For example, if you see a light fly by, you know, a star or a satellite or whatever it is, even though it's an orb, you see it, it's different than just seeing something, than something responding and seeing you and coming in your space and say,

I see you. See, now you've got this power that you can't imagine that has you on its radar. So that's what happened next. So I turned the run And when I did I had to look back one more time So I actually turned my body Why I'm hiding

Squatted down behind the hill And I've turned real slow And I'm facing down And I know I've got to go down that way No flashlight through these weeds And ruts You know so I'm making this plant To get away

And when I made The conscious decision To run I committed I'm running now. I had to look back one more time. And so I raised up, I looked back to take off, and that's when everything changed.

This third setting sun right above me just appeared. And shot down the very minute it was so time that I knew without a shadow of a doubt, that it saw me, and that I was on its radar. And that's when the chills sat in and the fear sat in and the feeling of being like a lab rat or, you know, something and something that I couldn't get away from, something that's got me. And so the next thing I remember is the last 50 feet to the fire,

50 yards, not even 50 yards. It was the last 50 or 75 feet maybe. I can see the fire is very low now. It's just a tiny little fire. And three men standing around it, looking down, no longer fishing. And I'm coming out of the dark, right? They don't see me coming, but I can see them. And when I got really close to them, I shouted.

I said, hey, guys, you would never guess what I just saw. And I'm talking about what I just experienced at the top of the hill. And immediately One of the guys said Where in the And I won't say the words He said, have you been? I said, what do you mean?

I was just up at the hill No, you want See, yeah, I was I haven't gone but 20 minutes Oh no, you've been gone all night I'm like, no way I was going 20 minutes No, you've been gone all night

Then I realized Chris Junior's not there So I said, where is Junior? They said, Well, he's been gone two hours looking for you. We can't find him either. And one of the guys that set at the fire after they deemed me being gone past dark long enough that it was time to look for me. One of them set at the fire.

By two got in a truck and they drove up and down the road out through the highway and looking for hours for me while Chris Jr. went on foot where I had gone earlier in the day. And he had gotten lost. So I took off from them running, shouting for him. And I ran into the back of that, the cul-de-sac. It's about an acre of grass in the middle of the far. So the road dead ends to a round cul-de-sac of grass. And the river runs right along one side of it. So, you know, you could pull a boat up there and water ski from the bank

and sit on the bank and fish and pitch your tent and parking area. So he's in the far back of the cul-de-sac missing. That's the last time. I ran back there shouting for him, worried he's lost in a big head of woods that is very rugged and goes for 60 miles to the beach or more of just woods, and very little houses through that area. And I'm struggling with all this. You know, I'm a panicked dad now.

Where's my son? So I start making my way into the thickness, the shrubbery, stick. around the edge to get into the woods. I don't have a flashlight. I'm panicked, shouting for him. I thought if I could get in there, I could find him. Well, next thing I do is I hear him. I hear him.

I'd walk about five to eight feet into those bushes is where I almost stepped on him. And he'd come up from one of those bushes grabbing onto me. And he's in shock. He's in panic. And he's like, where have you been, Daddy? Why'd you leave me? Why did you leave me?

I've been looking for you all night. I said, son, I haven't been gone but 20 minutes. No, Dad, you've been going all night, and he's weeping and he's crying. And he's like, these creatures, they scared me, Dad. They scared me bad. I'm like creatures. He said, yeah, these creatures, they had red eyes and I couldn't move and I was paralyzed. And he's telling me all this, right?

I want to go home. I want to go home. Just take me home. This is all he's saying. So I lead him back to the fire where these three guys. eyes are standing. And now their eyes are biggest pie plates because they're hearing junior talking, freaking out about creatures.

And I've been gone all night. They've been looking for me. And I'm talking about these big balls of fire in the sky. So about that time, one of the guys with me shouts and says, look, and we all look up. And there were eight or nine stars that look like stars. the brightest ones you see in the night sky. They just appeared in a big circle above us. They just come on like a halo of stars.

And they flew out away, and they'd come back together, and they went around in circles. It looked like somebody choreographed them, you know, was directing them how to work. And we're sitting there looking at this, and then three of these things come out of the sky all the way of ground and landed in front of us on the other side of the river.

The river's about 60 yards wide. river. It's long, but not very wide where we are. And so now, Panamonium sits in, and we all jump in my truck, leaving fishing poles and everything on the bank, and we took off out of there. And it become a fight to get home. They're fighting. Who gets to go home first? All I could hear is just the end of the world. We're being invaded. I mean, this is all happening immediately. We're cutting out of there with my truck. It's muddy, and I'm wallowing in these ruts in the mirrors of bumping brush on either side.

It's just a narrow muddy road going in there. We get back up to the top of that hill, come over that hill very fast, almost with an airboard going over it, accelerating up that hill. And I had to jam on the brakes because in front of us now are the same three, orbs, but two of them were in the exact same spot, the first two red balls of fire. But the third one that appeared and came down is the one that took me, that took me for four hours. Now it's sitting in the road blocking our path to the highway, and it's crossways of the road. It's about five feet off the ground, just sitting there hovering, and it looked like an egg or a football laying on its side. I was standing up, but like, it was more like a tick-tack sort of.

I didn't know what a tick-tac was, but what got the government only was when I did report this, I reported the left to being approximately 45 to 50 feet long. It's shaped like a pill or egg or a football, you know. It was definitely not round. It was oblong. long and the light going around this thing was mesmerizing. I mean, it was like this. These blades are, look like crystals the light actually,

just doing this around and around. It's just sitting there doing that. Everybody's freaked out. Some of them are crying. Some of them are begging. We didn't have a phone. I was broke then. I couldn't afford one.

So happened to be a house back in there. To our right, I drove across the ditch up in their yard, tried to signal them. Their TV was playing through the front door. You could see it. Their cars were there, and nobody answered the door. The very next day, the guys went back to get our fishing poles and stuff. They went over to his house because he knew him. They played football.

Softball together. One of the guys. He said, we were home all night. He didn't come to my house. Like, yeah, we were. We were blowing the horn. at your front door. All this was investigated by NASA,

people from NASA, and the intelligence world, very thoroughly. And so about that time, after we discovered nobody's there, I back out of their property, back out on the road, and now I'm back facing this thing,

and we're not going anywhere. It's blocking the road to the highway. It's only 120. 45 yards or 150 yards from us at the mice between us and the other side of the field. About that time, we heard three gunshots. All of us reported that to Mupah when we told the thing. And on the third shot, this thing pivots, and here it comes down the highway and comes right up over my truck, silent. And it was so long I could have shot it with a slingshot to the top of the sunroof.

It made no sound. The light's so blinding, you can't see detail about it. It's just the way the light is. You can see it swirling in on itself and this plasma going around it and it's white blinding. And there are these two orange balls of fire are still there. So once it passed overhead, it kind of pivoted to the north and fired off like it was out of a cannon and went out of sight.

So I hit the gas and the way we're going. We're going home. And these guys are fighting over. who gets to go home first. It was that bad. And the weird thing was, I'm no longer afraid. I'm in this different. My mind seems like time has slowed down,

and I'm looking at everything from a different perspective. I'm not afraid. I'm curious. I'm watching them like wondering why they're so afraid. They were freaked out, everybody badly. Enough that they fought who was going home first. And I had to take one guy several miles out of the way home for us and come back to drop the other. And I was off.

They were fighting that bad. But one of those unique things about this, the miracles that happened, is on the way to take them home between where we were and the first guy's houses are two miles away and then about four miles, five maybe to the follow up. followed. But a mile from where we were is where I was shot when I was 10, had the first near death. And a little less than a mile from we were is where I read about it in the book about my first wife, was killed in a car wreck, turned her car over and over in, and was thrown out, and I happened to be riding down that road. I'd been out of town all day, come home, and I found her. didn't know it was her until I stumbled on her, just saw the car laying on its side, and she died right there with me holding her.

And so I felt guilty all my life about that, that I should have been home. It wasn't my fault. I wasn't there. So everything, a person, and the traumatic, the trauma of seeing her mangled up, you know, it's bad. But the joy was, is right when we got to that spot, and we got to pass by the spot to drop these guys off, this thing, huge thing, was hovering right directly over top where I found her. And I slammed on the brakes, because it was right for a night.

I mean, it was nearly, we were almost up under it, right? It was there above us, and just above the pile. power line. And it freaked everybody out so bad. They started beating on the seat and screaming, go, go, go. And I jammed on the brakes. I'm trying to stop. I want to get out and look, because I'm reliving that whole thing that happened 20 years before. And this vision came into my head. They did this. And they told me that, don't, it's not your fault. You don't need to worry about that anymore. She says, fine.

So that was the first time in 20 years that I felt relief from it not being my fault. And so that was a major point for me about this phenomena. So now I hit the gas. I wanted to stop. They wouldn't let me. I drop them off. I take them on home and I drop them off. So Christianer and I go,

home and we get home about 1130 and he's running through the house like a madman turning lights on he'd go in the bathroom turn the light on locked the door he'd go in every bedroom shut the window blinds lock the windows turn the interior lights on and lock the door he locked the door to get in anywhere had all the outside lights on i'm in my study trying to find out um if it's been on tv if the military's come in, and about that time, I hear this sound go over my house, and it sounded like a helicopter, and I just knew that Fort Bragg was, because the way it came was from Bragg, and the way it was going was directly to the river. So in my mind, Fort Bragg's on the way. Yeah, here they come.

And Junior comes running in the room, he heard it. And suddenly, my dad raised dogs all of his life. He hunted with dogs until he died. He, you know, just after this event, 2013, he still had 15 hound dogs in a kennel behind his house. We live side by side back then on six acres, and behind the house was ahead of wood. and then there was the dog kennels. So all of a sudden, all these dogs start barking, and they were scared.

Dogs have a different voice. If you know them, if you raise them like I have, you'll know their voices. I can even tell you which dog has, which voice is all different. Honey, and you can hear them, and we would call out which dog that was. But I knew they were scared. They were seeing something. They didn't know what it was. So I thought immediately somebody's breaking in the dad's garage

because he has a separated garage out by the kennel. And I could envision somebody had come from the street, snuck up to that garage, you're trying to break in, and dogs saw it. So I told Krishina, I got to go out there and say, who's breaking into Dad's shop? He's like, no, Dad, please don't go out there. Don't go, don't go. I beg of me.

And I had a Chesapeake Bay retreat. were sitting on the back steps, her is standing up, and she's barking toward the direction of the kennels. I said, look, we're looking through the door at her. I said, look,

I'm going to send her ahead of us. We'll sneak down the path and see what we can see. Maybe I can identify or scare these people away, send a dog after them. But we'd be fine, and he didn't want to go.

But when I opened that door, I'm going. He grabs me, by the back of the shirt and Rosie took off down in the, went out about 40 yards and just looked back, see if we were coming and she went on it. So, Juna and I would make our way quietly, across our property,

back into the woods, and we snuck up to the dog kennel. And now it's so loud. You got 15 hounds and a retriever barking every breath, and we're standing in the roots where I can seal. And the weird thing is they're looking behind the kennel instead of toward the garage. And I thought, this is weird.

If somebody was breaking in the shop and they got spooked by the dogs and found them, they would have gone back to the highway and got out of dogs, right? But now these dogs are looking in the woods behind it. So I whisper in the junior, all this barking, and we were whispering. And Chesapeake's right at our front of us.

pointing into the woods. I said, something's in there. Must be a bear. That's what I taught him. I said, I'm going to send Rosie in into woods. We're trained dogs. They do whatever you, you know, that I can make her attack somebody. I said, I'm going to send her in, and you and I need to run back down the path to the yard, and then let's go to the back of the property to this big oak tree, and we'll use it to hide behind and let the dog come on out. and push whatever's in there out. And that happens real quick. So anytime, you know, if you know dogs and wildlife,

I'm expecting this, whatever's in there, to come out where ahead of the dog. They're not going to let dog bite them as they're running. A deer will run a half a mile ahead of a dog, half a mile that far ahead, sometimes not so far. So I take off running. He's got me by the shirt. We get to the grass, out of the woods, out onto the back, centipede.

I got to make a left now, hard left to go to the back corner to cut this dog off, and I slipped because of frost on the grass. And Junior turned loose. I thought he was just to turn loose and was still behind me. I got 100 yards to run, right? So I run on back to this property thinking he's behind me. And undoubtedly he had had all the excitement he could handle, and he made a right and went back to the house and went in the house.

While I went left and went to the back of the property. So I'm still thinking he's behind me, right, and I run up to this tree. I hear the dog's coming. I'm in front of the dog now. And I run up to this tree in a full run because this is going down quick, right? And I run and I hit the tree, stop myself, and I'm panting, trying to be quiet because they could hear, you know, any animal or whatever, hear that would go to the other way.

So the very second I run up to that tree, I'm trying to catch my breath, I turn around and I look to see if gender's coming on up behind me, and this is when everything changed. It was no longer junior back there, but behind me, about four feet behind me, was a very little creature that he described. on the river with the glowing red eyes,

which we didn't talk much about that. When he was missing for two hours, he was describing these creatures that would look at him and paralyze it. One was picking up cans and bottles and looking at them and sticks and put them on the ground on their hands and knees. One was always staring at.

That's what scary. to death. And so now, behind me, four feet behind me, is this little translucent glowing toddler. Remind me of a three or four-year-old toddler, no higher than that. It's glowing the color of the moon, like the moon, that soft white glow.

But it was so shiny on the outside. The outer surface of this being was shiny like glass, gleaming and underneath this shirt or whatever it had on was a triangle shape like a triangle very important symbol to some people in the government and so I immediately thought I was dead I was so afraid when I saw that and that's my backs to it right I'm holding onto the tree and I'm panting and I sit and I'm like oh my God so I didn't want to get closer to it so I sucked my even right against a tree, and I used it to turn myself around, and I dropped my hands down, and I looked at it, and I said, I surrender.

I don't mean you no harm. I thought it was gone, and here's the dog still coming, closer and louder and louder and louder, and she's just in the woods good now, and this thing's behind me. And when I dropped my hands, it said, you don't understand. We're not here to hurt you. We're here to help you. And about that time, the dog comes busting out of the forest behind me right by this tree. I knew that was where it was coming.

And this being just vanished in front of me, and the dog ran right on by. Ran a quarter mile, I could steer old hair running, barking. You heard this in your head? No, I could hear the dog barking. No, but the voice telling you? The voice was an audible voice in my head. I heard it sound like a man deeply. You said, you don't understand.

We're not here to hurt yet. We're here to help you. And so I walked back to the house, contemplating it. Should I tell Chris Turner what I just saw? He's afraid already. I don't know to tell no more. So I took that to the house and I was very quiet about it. And next morning when I got up, I had been on medicine for Crohn's disease for 17 and a half year.

every day I had to take it. If I missed it, I would suffer. You get up every morning and you're nauseated. And if you didn't have this medication, it would turn in the, your intestines would become inflamed and the pain and all was terrible. But I noticed that I didn't feel those normal feelings

that next morning. And by 10 o'clock, I didn't take the medicine. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Why I'm not feeling this? And from that point forward, that day, I never took another pill for Crohn's disease for the rest of my life. I have no symptoms. I've been tested at Chapel Hill University.

Where did it go? I was later diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. They said, oh, it had to be the rheumatoid, came back from the Crohn's. It was Crohn's. It just took on a new life, and it come back a different... Even Dr. Gary Nolan suggested that. And so I went to, my doctor sent me to Chapel Hill to test for that and found out that there was no marker, one morphing to the other.

It all went away. All of it gone. Gone. And so my book's title, UFO of God, because of that very night. I'm crying out to God, help me. I don't want to live, but I love my children. I don't want to leave them. I want to be a good father. I'm going through all this constantly while they're fishing, right? And these UFOs come out of the sky. We're looking beings with glowing eyes and healed me and forever changed my life. So I start talking about this. I was like Richard Dreyfus on Close Encouncil. of the third kind where he makes the mashed potato mountain he's obsessed with it you know what he saw

there is no turning back for him well that's me i was that person i had healing i had an encounter with angelic beings i knew they were angels that's what i said from the very day i told christjur he's terrified and and when we get home and i start talking about this i was raised in the church i was a deacon into Pentecost a hole in this church. Imagine that. And me talking about, you know, you're talking about, you know, automatically you're playing with Satan himself.

That's the devil. So now, for the next five years, this is what I call five years of darkness. Because now the community is accusing me of being crazy, accusing me of endangering my family, that I'm bringing the devil into my house.

They called social services on me. They're trying to separate me from my family. They tried to get my kids to be out of the house. I shouldn't be around them. So my kids are at home now, and here's the thing. The phenomenon never left. From that day forward, it didn't never leave. It was at my house.

The spirit stood in the woods. And now when my wife and kids are coming home, they're getting the daylight scared out of them because I've got orbs in the house. I've got beings walking, shadowy beings. My wife would tell you, she followed them through the house and they go through the walls inside.

Always an orbit up here, a flash, and then these shattered beings step out and they walk through it. So now we have the whole community talking about me and my kids are seeing it so they know it's real. and they don't feel like it's the devil.

And so five years of this, my daughter's coming home from school crying. The teachers are calling them out in front of the classmates, and my boys were all 13, 15, and 17. Now they're made fun of in school. They were at dating age. So five years of this had turned into affecting my children in such a way that I was angry

because I wanted to prove it. I'm going to prove to the world that I won't lie, right? And I tried every night in my life with a camera to go out and film it, and I never could film it. I never could. I got pictures that I took with cameras, and it melted the SD cards in my camera, corrupted them. And to this day, one of these cameras takes pictures that look melted,

people's face would drink and stuff. All because I'm trying to shoot this orb, It's 100 feet over my house. With half a dozen people standing there with me, witness. So fast forward five years later. Now we're talking 2012. And this is the lady. You asked me about the lady.

Everybody talks about this figure, the lady in my book. This lady got the attention. of the Vatican, to every branch of the government, and to several foreign countries, they're all interested in this experience. So I'm at a point, Chris, to where I wanted to quit. I'm Richard Dreyfus, remember. I'm making mass potatoes.

I'm obsessed with seeing it and filming it and telling it. Now I'm feeling the burden of being a bad father, and I brought this in my house, and my kids' lives are ruined. My boys are set back and they become isolated and ashamed and affected their dating with girls at school. And so I'm angry with the whole thing. And so on Easter Sunday, Saturday night of Easter of 2012, I walk outside about 9.30. All my kids are where the friends were hanging out and they're up in the front part of the house playing video games and my wife.

and so I'm in the back part of the house, big house, one-story, five-bedroom, so I'm in the very back corner, kind of in my own world. And they're up all times of the night anyhow. So I went to bed that night alone. But before I did, my wife was standing guard over our daughter because the boys would bring home all their buddies, and they bring TVs and video machines, They'd have a dozen guys in the house playing with their own TVs and stuff, you know, gaming.

So my little girl was always, my wife makes sure everybody was in. So she's staying in her room that night up in the front part of the house. And I went out that night about 9.30. And I had had so much sadness and shame because of my children, what I was seeing happening with them. They're all about dad, you know, they're seeing this thing. They're experiencing these orbs and these all kinds of sightings. But it had affected them so bad that I was ready to end it all.

So I walked out that night, I looked up at the sky, and I started shouting to the heavens. And I said, thank you for ruining my life. Thank you for saving me. Thank you for healing me. But I don't understand. You know, you asked me to tell the world. You put it in my head that that's what I've got to do.

And I know it, without a doubt. And the more I try to share it, the more pushback I get, and it never lets me film it. I can't share it outside of my wife and children. And so I quit. I'm never going to talk about this again. I'm done with you. Thank you for helping me, but now you've ruined my life.

My whole family. This is what I said that night. I went to bed about 9.30, right after I had made that statement, well, 3 o'clock in the morning. This is Sunday morning, Easter Sunday morning at 3 a.m. I heard an audible voice in my room, very loud, man, voice. I mean, it woke me up out of a dead sleep to where it startled me. I jumped up to a setting position in my underclothes, in the bed, and I look over at the clock.

Back then we had the alarm clocks, you know, the digits that flip. I had one of them old ones, but it said 3 a.m. I never forget that. I sat up in the room. I said, who's in here? I heard that. It was the same voice that came from that little being five years earlier.

It said, arise in this manly voice. The next thing I know, I didn't know why, but I could see movement in the room, these shadowy beings, they always look shadowy, to where whatever it does, it can completely control us like a machine. I mean, it could turn you on and off, pause us like a video game,

whole crowds of people. I make one person active and everybody else. Turn you off. And undoubtedly, they had this kind of control, So I'm up and I'm getting dressed at 2 o'clock in the morning, completely dressed, shirt, pants, jacket, shoes, socks, and out the back door I got. Now I'm following these three, again, three shadowy figures.

Not saying a word, I'm not afraid, but I'm behind them. And they lead me out to this dog kennel, where the dogs were barking and looking in the opposite direction. And one of these figures reaches out and hands me something. I said, this is yours you must keep. And it was shaped like a five-pound pack of hamburger. One of those tubes, you know, it was twisted on. It's what it was shaped exactly like that.

But it felt like a living creature. It felt like it had fur that was prickly like a hedgehog sort of. I couldn't fill the legs or head. and I was struggling to see it because it's in the dark. And so I dropped it immediately on the ground because it felt like it was prickling my fingers. And his voice said, no, you pick that up, you must keep. So I reached down, and I picked this thing up,

and I'm juggling it. And when I look up, these figures are gone now. And here I am at the dog kennel with this weird thing in my hand, I don't know what it is, if it's going to bite me or what. Can't really see it good. So I opened a dog kennel. I'll set it in and I close the door. It just taught me to keep it.

I thought, well, it's going to be safe there. The very second I did that, I mean, and I've had friends in the CIA, said, well, that was a device. And they handed you this device, which triggered this other, and this is the way these scientists think. The minute I had set that,

the kennel, close that door, this wind, all I can tell you, it wasn't in the trees, It wasn't blowing around the whole place. It was directly focused in front of me, a blast of wind, like somebody hit you with a cannon or a leak blower or something. But it was a big circle of wind, so forceful, so fast that it hit me,

and I fell backwards, blew me backwards, right into the grass, the leaves. And as I'm falling backwards, I see what looked like. like a translucent see-through cow, bull, a cow run over top of me, and I could see stars inside it as it went over. And that bit of message is going to be in another book what we discovered about that. A scientist that I've studied with a little,

and he mapped the Great Pyramid with LIDAR and discovered that bull with the stars in it a huge one is painted on the wall inside the King's Chamber. You just can't see it without this. It's like somebody scrubbed it off, you know, and you have a way of seeing it. There's a DNA helix above it, and the alpha and omega symbol on the sarcophagus.

The only inscriptions ever found in that whole pyramid, they never found any until Robert Grant found those. But it was the same thing that ran me over, that bull was the symbols of the stars in it. So I land on my back and I roll over thinking it's coming back. I'm getting up to run. I don't know where it went. You know, what just happened?

It happened so fast. It was like a second all this happened. The minute I roll over and I start trying to get up to run, I get up to my knees is all I got. I push up to my knees. Next step was to jump and go, right? But I was stopped because this cow is not there anymore. But about six feet from me, maybe eight feet, I couldn't reach her.

But it was a lady there. And she's glowing, this beautiful bluish white color and lit up a circle on the ground and probably 15, 20 feet circle. And I'm inside that circle lit up. And she's just floating three feet off the ground. There's this long white dress that had a collar on, no opening, and it went all the way out to the tops of her hands like that, this white, sparkly dress, and down to the tops of her feet.

And she was barefooted like her toes. And this whole beautiful lady, she was as human as me and you, and as beautiful as the most beautiful woman you ever saw. And her dress is full of like star, sparkling. Well, you know, the dress is flowing. And she sat in there, and she looks at me. As she leans storming, she said, you know why I'm here. Just like that.

And I knew why she was in. Because I had just a few hours before shouted at the conviction. If they put in my head to tell this story, it was so strong that I agonized over to say what I sin. And when I did, she came back and said, you know why I'm here. This is your burden you must bear. You're going to tell this story. And if you do, I will help you. I'll always be with you.

And from this point forward, we will allow you to film our presence and share us with others. This was in 2012. Let me tell you something. From that point forward, I started amassing a database of photos and videos. Never could get it before. You can check all the time staff, but from that point forward, it started. And the ability to ask it to show up with other people,

with government scientists, from the DOD, D-I-A, C-I-A, NASA, all of them have been here recently. And for all these years, when they come, they always get to see it. Nearly every time. And it comes by asking. So that's what changed. And then other things in the book about miracles,

about people being healed in front of the highest authorities and stuff. It all came as a gift afterwards. She came. First of all, thank you for sharing that again. I appreciate it. You had mentioned you were. were in the craft as well. Yep.

Was you were with these beings in the craft? And this was, if I'm not mistaken, this was during a hypnotic regression because you didn't remember the four hours. What, the weird thing was about that, yeah. Well, I remembered a lot of it after, but in 2008, I didn't report it for a year. I didn't, it was 12, 14 months before I allowed an investigator on my property. So I thought if I told her, I'm going to lose my wife. Sure.

She's going to leave me. She told me never to talk about it again. It was, you know, the church had convinced her it was demonic. She's seeing it and it's scaring her to death, right? It's understood. She started raising. I got sidetracked in my brain. Yeah, so the hypnotic regression.

Right. So for the first 14 months, I could not think about it. if anybody asked me what happened that night in those four hours. I can remember everything, detail, to this day, everything that happened. But those four hours, I couldn't remember anything. And you could not convince me that I missed any time. My son and the guys with me were the ones that convinced me because they walked back to and they showed me to where they had moved to truck.

And then, you know, I finally come to terms. something, I'm lost time. And I had massive headaches thinking about it. So they brought in a psychiatrist from Harvard, a Harvard trained psychiatrist that was trained under Dr. John Matt to do regressions. And when he came, Dr. Michael O'Connell, we loved him. He lived down Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, a couple hours away. And he said, Chris, they put a block in your brain. that I'm going to remove that block, but I'm going to program you to remember everything that happened, but you can't do it all at once.

If you do, it might cause you a psychotic break. So we're going to let you remember stuff a little bit at the time, but fully remember it all. And so immediately I began to recall things that happened, but it was all images, images, images of things. I couldn't make sense of it. And I would begin to talk in my sleep at night. And a lot of times shouting, screaming, afraid, things they were showing me.

My wife would be recording me with iPads and recorders at night. My children, they were all seeing that. But they took me. What I began to remember was, first off, was how they come and got me. Did that orb that shot down as an orange ball beside the other. other two orange balls. Immediately, it didn't stay there, but a second it came straight at me and it shifted into this white egg, came right up over top of me, above me, and I look up and all I can see

was this ball of light that just engulfed me around me. And next thing I know, I'm in a black room and I could hear my breath. And I was panicked. And I was afraid. I couldn't see anything in either direction. I couldn't even see me. I could look, couldn't see my hands. It was that dark in this room that sounded around.

All this I put in writing on my report 16 years ago. And I got so afraid I could hear myself. And this light started to appear around me like a spotlight from above. and I can see completely around me, my feet and all of white, but I could stick my head into blackness, and it would disappear. I couldn't see outside of the light around me. And soon this light started receding back to where I began to see these three shadowy figures.

They were there with me. And, well, that began a virtual tour. They were the ones that took my sickness away. They didn't do it on some operating test. with anal probes and instruments, right, against my will. They healed me by just being close to them or whatever they did, but they do it. This is not what happened to me, these horrific things you hear about. It was a beautiful experience.

It was always a virtual tour. I had three guests that were shadowy, but they're describing everything that they were showing me. So I was basically in an orb. It felt like a bubble that I could touch the walls, but I couldn't see them. I could see the stars under me and fill the floor, but I couldn't see the floor. Is that clear? And I began to see, always sees different places in the U.S. They would be up, looking down, telling me what I'm seeing.

And there's a lot of that that I'll share in my next book about this, the sightings. And one particular thing that stuck out was us looking at the pyramids in Egypt. And I'm seeing the spanks from the rear. So we're up in the air looking over the pyramids at the rear end of the spank. Then I see Hathor's Temple. And I see all these engravings about nature and about animals and birds. And their deities are animals and birds, right? I don't understand any of it, but this is what they were showing me.

So, and this was in 2008, seven, you know, when I was taking January the 8th of 7. But it was two years later before I began to unpack it. And then in 2013, let's fast forward six years, the lady comes back. It comes on Easter again and has pretty much every year since Easter. It's always a special time when she comes. She, and that, I write about this in the book, the whole thing, how she got me, how I was taken up in this bubble again, and how I was transported to the southwest, somewhere in the full corners.

I since believe it's Utah. And I even wrote this in the book that at one point in the future, she's going to allow me to film her in one of these canyons for the world to see. And that time is coming up right soon. I'm fixing to embark on a mission to do just that. And I know it's that time.

I just know it is because I let the phenomenon kind of drive the bus. I don't get in its way. And I knew at some point, point it would say now's the time well they did that when the eclipse happened this year. Wow. Yeah. This is really deep. So

the lady in 2013 tells me about a new knowledge that's coming. She said she said she shoved me to pyramids again.

The same thing I got in 2000 and seven, right? I saw the pyramids and all this nature and all. Didn't know what it meant. Now the lady,

six years later says when the, and why she called it the red star, it was usually Regulus looks blue when you look at it. She said when Regulus is red on the horizon in Egypt

on the gaze of the spinks in other words before daylight so before the sunrises regularists should appear right on top of the sand as a red star

at some point that's an alignment she gave me she didn't tell me when she just gave me this alignment is that at that moment would be a shift into a whole new consciousness

a new knowledge so I come home I mean I wrote this down and I told it to quite a few people, and to a publisher that publishes spiritual books, and she happened to know a lot of astronomers, right? So they run these delimates to this program

to see if it was even going to happen, and lo and behold, Easter of 2026 is when that's supposed to happen. And so I put that in writing to some guys in the Pentagon and 2013 is when I told them that. and now they're all talking about 2026, 2026. You hear it all over. We've discovered, yeah, right. I gave them the date, you know, 12 years ago,

that something magic was going to happen. What it is, I don't know. Arguably something magical already has happened. Yeah. You know what? It came out of that whole thing, 2013. When she came the second time, She not only told me about this date,

two weeks later, this journalist from Canada, by the name of Grant Cameron, he's a UFO investigator, right, and journalist. He's striving from Canada. He lives in Manitoba, right? But he drove there to, or he flew to D.C., I think. And he had a meeting there, congressional meeting, and then he drove to Florida to do a UFO event. It calls me and says,

can I come and meet you and see this burning tree? I said, yeah, why not? Glad for you, too. So he stops on his way, stays one night. Weird things happen in the house, you know, like doors open and closed him, but no orbs. So he goes on to Florida, stays two days. He calls me on the way back.

I sure like to come back by and take some photos of that tree. And, you know, I feel like I miss something. He'd come stay the night on your way back. Why not? So he drives from Miami up, and he pulls up at 5 o'clock in the evening. And my kids were all outside. You know, it's in May, so it's cool. I had all the windows open and doors, no mosquitoes.

So I had the back door open, letting the house cool. And he drives up. Our driveway ended at the back patio. So he drives up to the patio. We're all sitting out there. And he jumps out of the car with his camera in hand. And he wants to go straight to that turrets. and no much conversating.

It was about the tree. So we walk out there. My Labrador, Black Lab, about a 60- or 70-pound Labrador female, was following us. She's laying on the ground. When we'd stop and talk a bit, she'd just lay down. We'd walk, she'd walk with us. So she was with us for a good 25 minutes at that tree, going around at talking. So we'd go back towards the house, going to get, make a disqualmie.

decision, you know, where to get his bags and all out of the car and uses the restroom or whatever. So we walk up to the house, Nelly and tow. She's laying on the ground. We stopped 20 feet short of the back door. Kids are all there and she's laying on the ground beside us. And I'm like, would you like to stay tonight, Grant, or do you get your bags for him? He's like, yeah, sure. So everybody jumps up to go help him get his bags. turns his back to me and he's walking to the back door. He's between me and the back door. I'm behind it.

And so when he, I'm facing the house, he's facing me. He turns around and when he starts walking, Nelly gets up off the ground. And when she runs by him, I saw blood shoot out of her neck like a string. And it shot out of her neck when her heart would beat. His blood would shoot out every time. And it went down his pants. It was blood when she went by it.

Ran across the patio, trotting. You know, a dog would want to beat you in the house. That's what she was doing. She got up to beat us in the back door. Ran in the back door bleeding all over the house. And I tackled her, freaked out, and ran in the back door about five feet on a slippery, bloody, laminate floor. Blood is really greasy like, and I've got this dog. I take her out at the door and lay her down on the patio.

She got a hole in her neck. crossed her juggler vein here or this vein artery that long and it's gaped open that wide and you can see that deep and I could probably stuck my finger that deep in her neck and how that happened nobody not she was laying there so I threw my hand on her neck and I'm panicking holding her on the ground and trying to put pressure on the neck everybody's oh my god freaked out and Grant's got his camera out filming it the whole thing And I just knew she was dead, that she won't go make her. It's a half hour to get her to a veterinarian's office, no ambulance, no way she's bleeding bad, I mean, profusely. And when I knew that, she was dead. She won't go to make her. There wasn't no hope. I just, and everybody's talking and freaking out, and I'm, you know, I just blocked them out,

and I looked up at the sky, and I said, Lord, help her. And immediately I felt her just go limp. And everybody saw it. And when I raised my hand up off of her neck, there was no more hole there. It vanished. And it vanished in front of everybody, witnesses, even when camera filming that. So that happened after the lady came the second time. And word got around about that.

And that drug, that opened so many doors. Next thing I know, this is in the book. without getting into much detail about this. Word gets around very fast. Like with me, you know, they probably got satellites up there trained over my house all the time. Trust me, they find out somehow real quick, everything. And so I get a phone call in July. This was May the 5th or when this happened.

That's July 2nd. I get a phone call from a guy. saying, what are you doing tomorrow? I said, tomorrow's July 3rd. I said, kids would be home tomorrow evening. They're coming home for the fourth. We're going to hang out and have parties like. He said, we need you in D.C.

I said, we, who's we? He said, well, we have a young boy up here that is from a prominent family he's very sick. And in fact, he is, he was given to make a wish by President Obama, that he's not going to live. He's got 12 months at most to live. And he's had every bit, they've exhausted every bit of care they can for him, from children's clinics from Boston and wherever,

and nobody could help him. And what he had, according to this guy, was telling me, he had mitochondrial DNA disease. He was born with the inability to eat and digest food. So every time he'd eat, he'd throw it up. And his stomach couldn't make nutrient side. I would say they had to give him a feeding tube. So I always didn't fit for a feeding tube.

And so they didn't think he would live. They told us he would. They always die by the time they're 13, basically. And so how I went from a dog getting mysteriously injured to a miracle happening in front of everybody to now I'm being flown up to D.C. to some child that I had no idea what happened with me, how that happened. I didn't do anything. I just something up there did it. Long story short, that little boy is now.

an American university, he's about 22 years ago. He's doing all right. Yeah. After you've seen him. Yeah. That night, when they flew me up there, he started eating. So there's so much more to this book, UFO of God, that I haven't even touched on.

I'm going to, you know, obviously everybody listening here, I think, is going to check it out. This is something I highly suggest, I heavily suggest, and I have suggested in the past as well. I got maybe just two more things and then... Sure. So one thing is in the book, there is mention of meta materials. Yep. This material that, and let me know if you want to talk about this or not.

I wrote about it when you talk about it. Yeah, the material that you collected. Right. Can you tell us how that came to be and what happened with that? Yeah, it's well known that these orbs, and I say well known, the military knows it. Right. They've got video of it. Somehow and other these orbs will often drip like molten metal.

Drip, drip, drip. It looks like welders welding and, you know, slag falling off of them. They do that. And just so happened that I had access to several pieces of it. I was at a friend's house at an organized group meeting up two hours from here. They invited me there. And a group of strangers. And this orb shows up over her driveway, over the house,

and drip this metal on the driveway. So I got the middle. You have pictures of that as well, right? Yeah. I got this medal. I had the position of it. And they'd never seen anything like this, right? The people you were with?

Yeah, a big orange ore. So I ended up with the material, and I kept it for quite a while, but some friends at NASA knew I had it, and they knew that I was connected to another guy up in Ohio, that had some. There's a great friend of mine from his foster children. And he's scared to tell anybody what he had,

but he came home when he, and then he sees a light over his house, and it took off. And when he pulled up in the driveway, there's something glowing red in the grass, and he lets it cool down. He picked it up and put in a shoebox in there. It stayed for 15 years.

But he felt comfortable talking to me. I'm just the average guy, right? So he told me about it, and I let some folks at NASA know about it, and they wanted to go up. And so we flew up there and got a piece, just a little piece of it for testing. And then Tom DeLong and Lou Elizando wanted some of it, and they called me, and I ended up letting them have three pieces, well, two pieces. somebody else got a piece that the medal that I had plus my friend's medal

and we flew up together and got it and then it won't a year later I get a call that they said well got a bit of

news that you know you're not getting this metal back that it was classified by the military you're confiscated and you just go out to chalk it up for one for our country. And ever since then, just as early as two years ago,

I had people coming here in D.C. telling me, if I could get another piece of it, it'd be worth a billion dollars. Yeah. Wow. And I have pictures of it, documented. Many people saw it. But it was hot, and they classified it. They did send you something in return to it.

Didn't they? Well, I've got quite a few different things in return there, yeah. All right. It was like a pen? Well, I can't talk about that. Oh, that's right. Yeah. You're talking about the triangle pin.

Uh-huh. Yeah. And there's other things, too, that I just think about. Okay. That pin elected me into a club of basically astronauts that have experienced the phenomena. First day, not in a sleep or in a dream or a regression. It was there in the daylight or in front of me and you interact with it. So you and other astronauts have these pins.

Yeah. You're part of a small group that experienced. That's incredible. If we're going to play a little game, I'm going to name an agency. You just say yes or no, whether they contacted you, whether you had contact with them. Is that something you're comfortable with? You don't have to name names. All right.

C-I-A? Yes. D-I-A? Yes. D-O-D? Yes. NSA. Yes.

And many more. NASA. NASA. Yeah. NRO. Yeah. National Accounts. Yes.

N-R-O, really. Yeah. Ministry of Defense, England, the DoD of Australia. These are all people who have at one point in another either reached out or come here directly. Yep. Still to this day. Yeah. And we're talking not some average low-level guy.

We're talking about senior service executives from two-star generals from the DIA. Wow. Here with family witness stuff. Looking at orbs. Two-star general, brigadier general rank in the CIA. I mean, they're civilian, but that's the rank when you get to that level. You know, there's such a conflict right now with this UAP issue and this phenomenon. And the one narrative that you keep seeing over and over and over is this militarized narrative,

this, these UFO, these craft, or whatever they are, these beings. And it seems like they're ramping up the narrative that these things are harmful. Well, you got to think about who's telling us. telling that. Yeah. From a military view, they're worrying about one thing, and that's national security, and they're going to be suspicious of all of it until they know. And they don't know.

They don't know. They don't have all of what you want to hear people say they have. If so, show it to us. If not, it's just where it's right now. And that's why they come here. Yeah. That's why they come here. So, but you got to see that they're just looking at it as a, you know,

we don't know what it is. We don't want to mess with it. It might be hostile towards our country. So we're going to leave it there. And when you get behind the scene, some of them guys that are like, dude, you said, lady, you think that's the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's what I believe. What about the Vatican?

Yeah, they've investigated me. They've investigated you? Yeah. They're heavily involved in the, UAP issue, aren't they? Hugely. They had been for a long time. Yep.

It's been a beginning. So is all the churches. All the churches together. All of them are deeply rooted into this. And they're in regular contact with our government? And with me. Yeah. A lot of them work for the government.

Wow. You always hear these generals in the Pentagon, they think it's demonic. They don't ever want to tell it, right? Right. They're protecting the church. Right. And their belief. And a lot of these churches don't want the connection that it's biblical.

There is something spiritual about this phenomenon. 100%. I say follow the evidence. You know, it's okay to, you know, how many people, scientists want evidence, right? They want the proof. Words just don't cut it. Yeah.

So I'd say follow the evidence. And you might be one of the people who has the most proof of anyone. I have more proof than I know when it comes to this. Not only on documented on camera, but with witnesses, right? Massive amounts of witnesses. And there's probably a lot you're leaving out too. A whole lot. Let me say this for the audience.

You never hear this. the two things. The reports you hear are always negative. You know, you see on TV about, I was abducted and they had instruments and they had me on a table and stuck things in my eyes and all these crazy things, right? But if you look at the database, and I know this from somebody that studied it,

that 95 or 98% of all these reports coming in or angelic people are saying, I saw angels. But you don't hear about that. You don't hear about the anal probes and the horrific stuff that people experience or see.

You've spoken to some of the most important people in this country. Some of the people that the public might not even know are important. We'll put it that way. They have no clue. And those people,

know about this phenomenon. Yes. And they know this is very real. Yes. And they know this is happening and this has been happening. So all we're seeing with this sort of disclosure stuff that's on TV, this is just like a horse and pony show right now. Basically. Slow.

What you're trying to do is get Congress to fund research, basically. And except that it's real, you need to put some money into this. And it should be. Right. I mean, come on. Yeah. Come on. Yeah.

Let's see it. You know, let's study this. And there are a lot of people studying it with me. I mean, let's just say, I've been to Harvard University and I've met with some scientists there. That's the first time I've ever revealed it on your show right now. And I can't tell you any more there, but I have met with scientists.

I have been on their campus, and there will be more to come about that. So there are serious people around me that know it's real that want to study this and get to the bottom. And it just takes money, you know. It takes a lot of organization and equipment to get to the, you know. If there's one last thing you can say, first of all, thank you so much for taking all this time. I'm so sorry. I'm honored, man.

I'm honored. This is just such an incredible experience for me and being here on this beautiful property. And, you know, talking about this stuff with you is just really, really, I'll be thinking about this for a long time. So thank you. Oh, it's my pleasure. And you always have a place here. I appreciate that. You do.

If there's one message you want to get out to my audience that are tonight on a clear sky, they're going to look up, what's one thing you want them to know? This phenomenon is here for us all. It's a beautiful spiritual connection, and I want to add this one thing. There's a pattern to it that you'll never hear it discuss. I have thousands of people who write me that never report. And of the, I probably have 8,000 emails I haven't even opened. There's so many people reaching out.

but there's one pattern that's predominant. You never hear this on TV. You never hear any experts talk about it because this patterns lead to conclusions, right? And that is that 99.9% of all people that I meet that tell me that they've had this experience or they started seeing things, all tell me,

I'll ask them after they tell me their story. All right. When this happened to you, where were you at in life? Tell me what was going on. They'll all say, oh, my husband died. I had a near-death experience. My daughter died. My son died.

My wife died. Or tragic stuff. Very always suffering and always trauma. So what kind of force? They can hear your thoughts and it knows your heart will care about you enough to come here to show itself to you. And so I'm here. We've been taught that it's evil, that it's got to be demonic.

And I'm here to tell you that's not what's happened to me. And it's still here, and I have shared it with thousands of people from my book to in person. And I see nothing but the most beautiful letters of people pouring into the heart saying, my life has changed. I was an atheist. Now I believe. And my whole life has been transformed.

And I see it every day. So go out tonight and open your heart, look up to the heavens, and know it. Have faith. that something's going to respond to you because it does. It's there. It never leaves. You don't have to go into a big ritual.

It's all right in our thoughts. So accept that it's real. And open your heart and love and caring for your friends and family. That type of energy coming from you is what calls it. If you walk out there, skeptic, oh blah, blah, you know, you can take a hike. You're not going to see anything.

The skeptics will never see it until they change their whole way of thinking. It just don't appear. I can bring 25 people here tonight. If there's one skeptic or one, you know, somebody always making negative comments, I try my best to get them out of here. I'll tell the rest of the group, you've got to get that guy out of here. He's going to ruin it for everybody. And there have been many nights that we couldn't get this person to leave without being ugly right.

And for some odd reason, 19 of us are looking that way right when that one guy turns because he hears something over there and immediately it appears. So the phenomenon is so far advanced. It doesn't know what this guy's thinking. And where it's going to look before he looks to know how to show up here. front of the 19 people. That's not scared. That's probably why the government has a hard time seeing it. Yeah.

That's why. Right. Folks at NASA, when they first reached out to me, they were scared us because we were told in the beginning the men in black, they're going to come get you. The government will kill you. And so when these first scientists knocked on my door, my kids were terrified. I was too. It was a big old six-foot-four guy from NASA.

And I asked them, I said, why are you here? You've got all the scientists and all the equipment and space shuttles and spaceships and cameras and satellite. What do you need me? Why are you here scaring my family? And the guy I looked at me, he said, we see it. But it has absolutely nothing to do with us. We'll not interact or respond. does you and we'd like to study that with you. So if you don't tell anybody that you're

interacting with us, we'll let you on to some secrets. And that's what the first, well, I'm still interacting with people from there, as high up as to get. We'll leave it at that. Thank you, my friend. Thank you, Chris. I really appreciate your time. You're more than welcome. Anytime.