AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - The Man Who Spoke to Every UFO Whistleblower | Ammar Kandil - Ep. 64

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

Ammar from Yes Theory joins me for a deep dive into his UFO journey, the sightings he’s had, the moments that changed his thinking, and the people he’s met along the way. We talk about his time with David Grusch, Mario Woods, and others who sit right at the edge of the phenomenon.We get into disclosure, fear, curiosity, and why so many are starting to take this seriously. Ammar also shares his thoughts on Elio, Pixar’s upcoming film about a kid accidentally representing humanity to an alien civilization, and why stories like this hit differently right now.

You've gotten to meet David Grush. You've gotten to hang out with Lou Elizondo, with Beatrice Villarrois. Diana Piscialka. That's right. Nariwood Woods, Whitney Striever. Even Jake Barber? Yeah. That Grush piece was an underperformer for Yes Theory, even though all the metadata on the back end on YouTube Studio,

was said that this should be one of Yester's best ever videos. No way. Within 24 hours, just the line completely flat line. And we're talking about only two cameras had access to him. during this entire time. That's right. Myself and Jesse, we were with him

in the four, five days after the hearing. We saw his phone get blown up by every single media entity in the world wanting to talk to him. So we know

that people were interested in the story and we know that there's, it doesn't make sense when there's only two pieces of content on the internet about his story. What I do want to talk about is Elio.

Okay, come and get me. I'm trying to get abducted. Full-fledged Disney production of a child named Elio who wants to be abducted by aliens, whose aunt is part of Space Force. Soft disclosure for the kids. Soft disclosure for the kids. You're priming a child to grow up to not fear these concepts of abduction.

And they are even talking about having samples taken. Like it was normalizing things. Probe. Yeah, yeah. Probe. Oh, I'm just getting proof. Like he was happy to be kept from it. And they mentioned Arrow.

That was the craziest mention in the whole film, I think. Mentioned what it is? Negative. But Arrow's here. NASA's on the way. You know, we watched the end credits here. The producers gratefully acknowledge

the cooperation of the United States Department of Defense and Department of the Air Force. You've had a few sightings. I'll talk about the most recent one, just because it's the one that lasted the longest. And how long was this sighting? three to four minutes.

Whoa! Yeah. You know, seek discomfort was the guiding principle in my life to it being even more specific. I'm just like seeking disclosure at this point. I was working at the Homeland Police 2012. I was going in for not-ship roll call at 22.05 hours. Quick heads up, folks. Area 52 is now shipping from the U.S.

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It is happening. From being Area 52's biggest fan to just being in the skiff. I appreciate you saying that. It means a lot. Of course. Ladies and gentlemen, Amar Candale. Amar, you are an inspiration to so many people, you know, I mean, I don't have to introduce you, but for those of you don't know, Amar is.

part of a very successful YouTube channel that is called Yes Theory, one of my favorite channels in the world. You guys are just an inspiration to people, to millions of people across the world. You do the coolest things and including following up on a lot of UFO stuff. And that's, you know, that's partially what we're going to be talking about today is your adventure in and around the UFO phenomenon, how you came about it. where you are currently and where you're going with this because it's quite exciting to see your venture. But regardless, Amar, I am so thankful to have you here. Thank you for joining me in the skiff.

Likewise. Thank you for having me. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, dude. I mean, we can start anywhere. But I'd like to maybe just get to know you a little bit more prior to, you know, this whole UFO stuff. You know, we were first introduced.

through Jesse Michaels at the 2024 UFO hearing, UAP hearing in Washington, D.C., which almost we almost didn't go to. It was like a whole thing. And then we connected there. But you went to the one before that. And in fact, you got to spend time with America's number one current whistleblower, David Grush, which is wild. But before that, what got you into this phenomenon? 2020, lockdown.

Yes, theory had taken a big hit with mobility, just being able to move and film in different places. What we do is very much experiential. We go out, chase adventures, stories, interact with people, and then all of a sudden during COVID, everything changed. And we had, I had a friend of mine, Skycombe, who was a creator on YouTube, message me and she goes,

you should check out this Netflix series called Unsolved Mysteries. There's an episode about a case that happened in the Berkshires in Massachusetts in 69. And I think you'll find it interesting. And in my mind, I'm like, Sky, I'm not really into UFOs.

You know, I kind of cringe when I hear these stories or when I watch videos on YouTube about people talking about the light in the sky that showed up and the thing that came out of the craft. And in my mind, it was always this like very American thing. And, uh, remember I got back home. I put on Unsold Mysteries.

There's just something about the way that story specifically was told that didn't have the the things that would usually turn me off about, about these stories. Like the way they put the edit together, the way the story is told, the way they do the interviews, the way they put music over the events. It's usually just like horror vibe. And I'm like, it doesn't need anything more. It doesn't need to be more scary than what people are narrating. People are, you know, describing the events that happen to them.

So it just always ticked me off. I always felt like I'm being pushed to believe, like I'm being directed to feel the specific feeling or to think, to have this specific thought as I'm listening to the story. I didn't like that. I get that with ghost stories, by the way. Yeah. Same vibe. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it was, for me, it was always one category, the paranormal. Sure, fair. The things that are outside of this reality. Yep. And not that I was, you know, close-minded. I mean, now in retrospect, I look at myself and I'm like, yeah, of course, I was close-minded. But at least I didn't think of myself as a close-minded person. In fact, I thought I was very curious.

But it was that it was that experience that just made me kind of reconsider my entire worldview. And the way the judgment calls that I'd made in the past about people that have shared stories like this. So back to COVID, I watched Unsold Mysteries. I was completely blown away by the testimonies. And it was two people in that story that I just felt like I really wanted to ask more questions to. So for those at home, could you maybe give us a cliff notes of what happened during that case? Yeah. So in September 1st of 1969, but 300 people from four or five neighboring towns end up seeing something in the sky that was spectacular, that just didn't belong to where people saw it.

And a few of those people were children with their parents that end up disappearing from where they were. Some were in, you know, hang out by the lake with their parents. somewhere in the car coming back with, you know, their grandma and mom from the diner that they own, just different stories and different circumstances, but the commonality was these kids disappeared and they ended up on a craft where some sort of testing took place. And, you know, you can imagine, like, I'm coming from an unbeliever to a story where people say that they end up on the craft and and you know samples were taken out of them and there's like yeah there's physical evidence physical evidence on on people's bodies so it just really shook me to my core but more so than

me synthesizing the information that was being shared with me it was actually more about me feeling almost a sense of shame that I that I judged those people without putting the effort and in vetting the information myself. And especially with how traumatic people describe the event to them and the amount of vulnerability it took for them to actually just come forward and share that. And for me to just be so egotistical, to just think I know better and I don't even need to look into what they're presenting in front of me. And it just, that shook my entire reality and it made me just go down to the biggest rabbit

whole of my whole life. That was five years ago, my life completely changed. And ever since I just gradually developed a deeper and deeper interest towards the phenomenon. And actually, like, the beginning was more the phenomenon of us not believing other fellow human beings that tell us things that break our construct of reality more so than me trying to even begin to figure out what are we looking at or who is visiting or any of these bigger questions. I was just interested in like why are we doing that with each other and what has been the plan and place to get us to do that with one another? Because I think it's, you know, now with what I know about the phenomenon, about the way disclosure has been, you know, engineered over the years.

I think that the current discourse in society is no accident. There's a, there's a reason people have been conditioned over so many years with a laugh queue every time a celebrity on a show says that they've seen a UFO. My God, yeah. You know, it's almost an automatic thing. And I could just start seeing all these things after that experience, after I came back. And after I, you know, told that story for the first time, obviously also on yes theory, the stories are, the nature of the story is very positive.

It's wholesome, wholesome, hope-giving, a lot of adventure. So this was just like a, I mean, we were all worried that people would be like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, this is not what yes theory is. But for me, it was like the core of what Yes Theory is, which is to seek discomfort, that's the guide in the North Star guiding principle for the whole movement for what we do and when we pick episodes. And for me, there was nothing that was more comfortable.

It was more of seeking discomfort than for me to reconsider my worldview. It's a good way of putting it. Yeah. Did you receive some partial backlash from the other Yes Theory members prior to that? And did you see some of their ontology, the way they see reality shift before, during and after? Did you get to witness that? And as well as your own. Yeah.

So what I got to witness was actually the people that I took with me on that mission, because one of them was Tommy, who's the lead editor of Yes Theory, the head of post. And he is just one of the most pragmatic, skeptical people that you can, and not in a negative sense, but he's just... Yeah, very logical. Yeah, he's, you know, studying math in college. And his reality was very much shook, but in a way where he actually got so scared

that he, even though he was there talking to the same people that I talked to, he kind of can post that experience, it had the opposite effect on him where he just didn't want to hear more about it. Wow. I think it scared him quite a bit. you know, the things that were shared, people ending up on crafts and, as I said, samples are taken. It is hard to go from zero to to abductions.

You know, you're not talking about someone who saw a craft in the sky and then all of a sudden it's not there anymore. That's a bit easier to take in. But I thought that, so I knew that he was going to be the one editing the Grush piece with me a year after that or three years after that. And to me, knowing how anti the topic he became post the Berkshires, I knew that if working on the piece that we're going to make about Grush is, can allow him to get to the other side and actually see the other perspective and start opening up his mind more than then I know that we will be making something that is really good that has the same potential to do for, you know, other people out there who. who may have never come across the subject. And even though there was a lot of resistance, I was actually worried about editing that piece with him, because I was just like,

I really want someone to have their heart in it. I want someone to almost have the same conviction that I have so that we can put a piece that has that energy, but I actually in the process realized, oh, no, that balance was really important. Because he was treating it as himself watching that piece, and I was treating it as also someone with a lot of passion towards truth

and towards uncovering this you know this reality here so that balance of having these two perspectives in the piece and I think end up generating a piece that wasn't just speaking to believers or just skeptics. Yeah. I actually end up doing both. Yeah and you know the outcome of that Berkshire video was immense I mean even for yesterday who does have a huge following

that was like kind of unprecedented like you look at something like that, you're touching a brand new niche in a, like you said, this isn't the format, this isn't what we normally do, it's a complete left turn. And yet, ended up getting seven million views. This thing just goes off. The comments are, you know, quite positive. Yeah, for a channel that doesn't delve into the UFO stuff regularly, you would expect, you know, a lot more of like, what the hell is this? But no, it hit mainstream audiences. And they, because of the way that you were able to tell that story from someone experiencing it for the first time. Yeah. Not someone biased like myself. Not someone, you know, who's bought in. It's someone who's

discovering. And I think that discovery people connect with, just much like, you know, when you guys are in some random city and have to find a place to sleep without money, it's watching your reality change with the things that you learn and getting to witness that on camera. And getting to witness that on camera. I think that that's what connects to people. 100%. Not just the UFO stuff, but how you deal with the UFO stuff. Yeah. And I think that might inspire a lot of people in questioning themselves, like, maybe I took too hard of a look at that too. Maybe I should also do a little more research before I, you know, flippantly judge this. Spot on. So it was very, yeah, very powerful. And that was my whole goal of just, because basically

pretty much what I did is I recreated that episode that I watched on Unsold Mysteries, but in a way where I knew that I'm bridging a gap in the storytelling, that I had to almost, you know, turn a blind eye on a few things in that piece that still weren't ideal because they were like the classic TV editing kind of like bit dated. But I knew that I could tell that story and I could ask questions that are even more relevant to a young person watching. Yeah, someone who has no idea. Exactly.

Yeah. And in fact, I'm going to do it in an atmosphere where it's just like young people curious and we all, there's the, you know, you see Tommy being a little scared and uncomfortable with it. You see me excited, but like the entire time I'm just like being floored by everything that is being shared. You see Sky who was there who had,

who knew about the case asking even deeper questions. So that's when I realized that there's a gap that exists in the storytelling about the phenomenon. Do you think that there would have, do you think that you would have been on this path had that video tanked? Ooh. Hard to say, right? Yeah. I don't think that video could have tanked. No.

But I think. Do you think it would have deviated or it would have just taken longer for you to get there? The only difference it would have made is that it wouldn't have allowed me to make the crush piece. which did change everything. Except that Grush piece was an underperformer for Yes Theory, even though all the metadata on the back end on YouTube Studio said that this should be one of Yes Theory's best ever videos. No way.

Highest watch time, higher watch time than Project Iceman, the two-hour documentary that is on YouTube. Higher watch time? And Project Iceman is double. No way. Yeah, yeah. So I was looking at the metadata as, you know, in the first 24 hours, I was like, okay, this is gonna rip.

This is gonna, this is perfect. I think within 24 hours, just the line completely flat line. YouTube recommendations like significantly low. Did you get flagged? That's what I believe. Like I would. No, but like did you, did you get actually flagged? No, no, no.

You didn't see anything on the front end. No. No. It's just complete flat line of, of growth on that video. That makes no sense. It makes zero sense. And I would like. Again, I would put money on the fact that something was done to that video.

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Yeah. And we're going to watch the, you know, the, the, the, the, the hearing on the news. Sure. But I think what we were doing is that we were introducing, you know, the potentially nine, 10 million people who may have never heard about this global audience. Yeah. And I think that if, you know, to the power, there would be, that's, that's a bit. That's too, uh. He was gaining a lot of traction.

Yeah. At that point. Yeah. It was becoming mainstream media. for sure. Yeah. And you were probably the most mainstream outlet. And we're talking about only two cameras had access to him during this entire time.

That's right. Myself and Jesse. And it was immediately after. And it was immediately after. He was, we were with him in the four, five days after the hearing. We saw his phone get blown up by every single media entity in the world wanting to talk to him. So we know that people were interested in his story. And we, we know that there's, it doesn't make sense.

sense that all of a sudden, when there's only two pieces of content on the internet about his story. Yeah. And both are done in very different ways. Jesse went into the technical, the historic. He's got flag too, by the way. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of the confirmation that I have that the hours was under the microscope as soon as it went alive because Jesse put his piece, I think, a week before hours. So I think, yeah, I. Doesn't make sense.

Doesn't make sense. But that's, as I said, you're. question was, you know, if that first Berkshire's video attacked, I just wouldn't have been able to make that, but it would not have affected my interest in the subject. Because if anything, you know, I would, you know, of course the video has maybe 1.4, 1.5 million views, the one with Grush, which, you know, is great and I'm very grateful for that. But for yes, theory standards for what this piece should have been in the circumstances that it came out in, that should be 10 million views. Well, I mean, you got a video like Bob Lazare hopping on Rogan and it's got

65 million views. Obviously, it's Joe Rogan. Yeah. But I mean, still, you know, this is the number one current whistleblower in the whole sphere. This is the guy that on camera in front of Congress talked about aliens, essentially. You know, everybody else is talking about, you know, light in the sky or fast moving object on a blip on a radar. This guy's saying we've retrieved bodies. And people want to hear about that. And what we did is we created another public hearing, a true public hearing. For Grush, I think it was the morning after the hearing. We have a very strong community that is present and, you know, all over the world.

So I put a call out on Instagram asking for skeptics and believers to send in a question that they would want to ask a whistleboard. I didn't give more context than that. And then I just picked 30 people that had a good balance between, you know, in questions. and we just told them to show up to our hotel the following day to the rooftop and set up this like room. And so I know that we, we weren't just repeating something

that is already in the hearing that someone wouldn't need to watch that video. It was fresh content. It was fresh content. It was, we're going with Grush to his home. We're meeting his partner. We're asking her questions.

Like all things that are like looking behind the, you know, behind the curtains. But this guy, especially when he's coming to tell humanity, one of the most profoundly shocking things that we've ever received from someone at this level. Like, I thought people would have more interest in knowing who the hell this guy is. And I think that's what our piece was. Like, I wanted to show what's his motivation as a human being outside of all the official things that he's done and, you know, the...

Yeah, so I... And in your words, what is that? what is his motivation outside of all that? Like in your own experience from hanging out with him, meeting him and knowing him personally, what's your gestalt on David Grush? First of all, I think he's a hero for what he's taken on

to be able to say what he said and everything that he's gone through post. You know, 2020 is now almost three years ago. And you can see, see consistency and the position that he's had and him not being, you know, some media grifter that just wanted to promote a book or, or a movie or anything of that sort. You can just see that he, that he was in it to truly deliver a truth to humanity based

on the oath that he's, that he had taken. And I, I think it's, and I see that be a trend between people who have had jobs like grush, people who have just been in the military and the Air Force. I think there's a sense of remorse over certain type of missions, things that

happen wars, that were fought and that eventually, you know, years later, we're looking back and be like, you know, what the fuck was that for? And I think for the potential that this topic offers humanity and I think

this is all i find it to be almost um a way of like a toning to four things that happened in the past and um yeah with with grush specifically i think um i think he's such a hmm let me think about that his motivation do you think

I be careful around of course so that's why I'm yeah and you don't want to speak for him I understand yeah exactly do you in in what you were able to observe do you think he was happy with the outcome or disappointed? The outcome being... The outcome, the, what happened afterwards with Congress and everything else. I think he was disappointed. Yeah.

Complete inability to get him in a skiff to say what he needed to say. Like, he really went above and beyond in telling them how they can get the information that they need. and yes I'm not the guy that touched the craft but I talk to 40 people that you know in some shape or form have and I can give you all the names all the places but they just refuse to make the extra steps or have been blocked from taking the extra steps

and that's just that's just to any American out there that should be that's your answers right there you have a guy that tells you I will tell you where these things are kept and there's no follow up yeah and obviously everything that is you know, still goes through, you know, just last month. And I think Luna, Luna talked about it, like some of the things that he's going through

and the threats that he's getting. So. A smear campaign as well and like all that stuff. Yeah. And the funny thing is that he had told us about that smear campaign on the ride after we picked him from the airport. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Like he almost, I think it's, it's in Jesse's video where he talks about them pulling out his mental health records because of PTSD. Like, he almost called out what was going to happen in two days. Huh. Yeah. And I thought that was just a... It's deplorable. Yeah.

As, you know, I have a father who suffered from PTSD. I had a father who suffered from PTSD, you know, for a very long time. Very severe as well, very, very severe. But my dad wouldn't lie to me because of it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, of course, you know, he had moments. of where he just didn't want to be around people or there's too much noise or, you know, even, you know, he's had my, you know, my father had like some daytime hallucinations, some time, very, very severe case PTSD.

But he would never just lie. You know what I mean? Like that's, I don't, I don't see that as being a clear symptom. Yeah. You know, of course, you know, that's the thing when you, when you hand-wavingly put everything into one category of, you know, bad men. mental health and say, oh, well, you're not credible. I think that's just a disservice to so many people who've served in the military. For sure.

And, you know, firefighters and police officers and everything else. Like, there's a, that was, that was one of the lowest blows that I've seen. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, yeah, I think he's made the right call and just being very selective with who tells his story. Yeah. And, of course, you know, I feel extremely lucky that he, you know, entrusted Jesse and I.

to do that. And, you know, I'm proud of what we've been able to make in the time that we've had to be able to put these pieces out. But definitely, if anything, again, back to the original question. It's that it's me feeling that that video was blocked is what just made me want to double down a thousand times more. Oh, backfired on them. 100%. I feel like there's a gap in, I don't want to call it in the market because that's not. not how I look at it, but there's a gap in this space.

Yeah. Where if you're someone who doesn't know much about this topic, there's not so many access points on YouTube where you can just like watch. Easier way in. Easier, yeah, watch someone just like handhold and walk you through some of these cases. Like, you know, I, my favorite two channels on YouTube are American Alchemy and Area 52. I appreciate it. But I, sometimes I'm hesitant to tell someone who I am just.

getting into the, into the topic to go watch, you know, to go check out Area 52 because I'm like, oh my God, if they go and watch Peter Coor's video about like alien hair and DNA and, you know, which was an amazing, just an incredible story and, you know, props to him for just having the courage to come and share. I get it. Like there are, there are better intro videos than that to ease someone in. Yeah, you know, you bring up a fair point. It's probably something that I should also be cognizant of for when I come across.

people who want to know what I do. You know, I should probably have some intro level video at least, and I'm sure if I look at my catalog, I can choose one to be like, start here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely don't start with, you know, the lizard people or something. Very quick and very random, but I think that can be fixed with creating a playlist. Sure. For the channel that would be new here.

Exactly. That will just sequentially be able to take someone through, you know, three, four episodes that just perfectly kind of give you the lay of the land. You've done this before. Yeah. And so yeah, I, and also the other thing is the age of the people interested in the phenomenon. Isn't that crazy? I was shocked.

Like, I knew that it would probably lean. I'm going to pull it out. Please. I knew that it would probably lean older. But when last night you told me about the demographic stats of your audience, I was like, oh, my God, we definitely, that needs to be one of the first things that we address to actually allow for the subjects to gain the traction that it needs. And we're going to go to audience here and I'm going to pull it up for you so you can see for yourselves.

All right. Oh yeah. There you go. I mean, okay, so vastly different. So this is the age. Oh my God. This is the age breakdown of. That's the last 30 days.

Area 52's audience. You have 13 to 17. Zero percent. I have never seen that on YouTube. 18 to 24. 1.8% and then 25 to 34, 16 and a half

35 to 35 to 44 30% 45 to 54 24% quarter of the audience 55 to 64 plus or is that 64 65 to 64

16.1% 65 plus 11.3%. I have never in 10 years of been on YouTube, I have never seen anyone have the 55 to 65 plus be quarter of the audience. Literally quarter of the audience for you is 55 years old plus. Yeah.

Well, if you want to go even further than that, over half of your audience, 60% of your audience is over 35 years old. And I just think this topic is going to affect our generation more than them. I absolutely agree. And if anything, we need to just be better prepared with because when it comes, when the time comes and something happens, they're going to overwhelm the heck. They're going to flood the space with just so much. The goal is going to be to overwhelm people in a way where the only thing that they would have left is to just believe whatever narrative that they're going to put forward. Yeah. And that's what I feel like I would like to participate in preparing the world for.

And not in like I'm like the hero that is going to do it. I just feel like I've been given a very specific set of skills that have been able to use in a way that I've been like extremely grateful for over the years to just create impact and allow people to live at their biggest dreams and their highest selves. And I just feel like at this point I need to use that. Yeah. To tell better stories that will create these access points for people who don't know anything about this.

That's a great point. and use the fact that I have some level of trust of people seeing my journey over 10 years on YouTube and just put that on the line. Like I literally willing to risk that to be like, this is worth looking at 10, this is worth paying attention to right now, not tomorrow, not after, like just right now,

we need to be understanding what is happening, what's going to happen, because it's going to be very important when shit hits the fan that we that we have a grounded perspective on what's going on. Yeah, well said. And if you need any pointers

on making that transition. Oh my God. I mean, I just felt the way this happened, I had just landed in New York because I was running the New York City Marathon a few days ago and you texted me going,

what would it take to get you to the skiff? And in my, I was on the plane in my mind. I'm like, oh my God, what would it take? I would, I would, I would come from across the world to be in this gift. Like, I almost feel the entire time, you know, for however long we've been recording, I feel almost like an imposter. Like, I shouldn't be here.

There's so many people with so many incredible stories and perspectives. Like I just, so, yeah, I just end up working. You know, I live in Paris now. I live in Europe and New York to hear it's an hour and a half flight. And the timing that to come and have this conversation and be just immensely, inspired by what you've built here and the leap that you've taken from being one of the biggest magic and puzzle channels on YouTube in the world to just being no you know what i am going to head on pursue this like thing that i'm curious about that i think is really important and i'm

going to do it in the best way possible i'm going to take hundreds of thousands of people soon enough to be millions people on that journey in a way that truly like allows people to become more curious i love what you say around, you know, suspend your judgment, leave it a, leave it at the door, just consider this to be a thought experiment. And really, because I think when there is a hyperfixation on facts and information, I think people have the fallacy of thinking, that's what you need to change someone's mind. But from my perspective, from my experience, it's you need to make someone feel something so profound and so deep to their core that that will inspire that journey of them changing their mind. It starts with the heart and then the mind,

you know, the mind falls there. Definitely. And I really love the way you've been able to put out these stories and in a way that makes them digestible, fun to watch, you know. I feel like, you know, someone can be like, oh, this is too gimmicky, but I actually think you're doing the opposite. You're just creating an environment where someone can last three and a half hours listening to the craziest thing they're ever going to listen to. And I definitely, you know, I'm inspired, as I said, inspired by the greats, you know, Jesse, and yourself and and I want to

as I said I see us covering different grounds in the phenomenon Jesse's going head on at the you know technical and the historic and you're going on

with like just the the again the the way do you actually tell the story to someone to make them open and to ask more questions and the way I see myself participating in this is as I said

create these access points where more young people can have access to the phenomenon and more people who just don't know much about it can can pursue it. So it's almost moving from, you know, seek discomfort was the guiding principle in my life to it being even more specific.

I'm just like seeking disclosure at this point. And not the Congress disclosure. Yeah, yeah. It's the disclosure that is happening by personal disclosure. By, yeah, that, the personal one that is happening within that is, you know, allowing me to feel like I've going so much deeper. into esoterics and religion and creation and my belief in God and spirituality. Like the topic and my interest in it has improved my life in so many ways.

Wow. And has allowed me to know some of the brightest, most incredible minds and hearts that I've ever met. Even, you know, Jesse and I were just in Norway chasing a story there. Can't wait for it to come out at the end of the year. about the ghost rockets, which is a phenomenon that, you know, is happening back in the 50s.

And I just, you know, the people that we were just meeting on a daily basis and, you know, the people who are into UFOs out in Scandinavia in Norway and Sweden and you just see people who are driven by such purity in their intention to uncover this truth.

There's no, I mean, of course, you have to, You have to filter out people, but I've been lucky to come across the ones that are literally sacrificing to be able to do this work so that more people know about it. Yeah. Where the very minimal personal gain is being made out of it. Yeah. And, I mean, first of all, thank you for the kind words. And I'm so glad you're a part of the space.

I mean, I'm so glad that you're interested in this and, you know, you're no stranger to being uncomfortable. And so, you know, that definitely helps someone like you get into this stuff. You might actually be more well equipped to handle a lot of this than most people because of that, right? Because of, you know, whether it's a bungee jumping out of a helicopter or, you know, skydiving from 25. Yeah, sorry, skydiving from or, you know, going on top of the pyramid of geese or like all these, like, wild things that you've done, you know, aliens might not be so wild. that man I'm just uh actually it's funny like I look back at post 2020 when I got it the subject like I would have moments when I'm skydiving and I'm like just I would belly fly so I would just do nothing except like go on my you know belly and I'm just like scanning any orbs out there yeah any

orbs out there yeah I do the same in an airplane yeah but it's actually because I'm a skydiver I'm also and I and I know I have the perspective of looking at things from the sky and falling at such speed Yeah. To just know how vast the sky is. And people who think that if there's something in the sky, I have to see it. You have no idea what you're talking about. Because I can see my, like, you know, I jump out of a plane and I'm like turning around. I'm seeing that plane get smaller so fast until it just disappears.

Yeah. And that's a big plane, you know, let alone be whatever size of object that we're, you know, looking for. So, yeah, man, I, as I said, I'm in this, this conversation feels very relevant to to the point that I'm at, I'm, you know, I've been doing Yes Theory for 10 years now and I decided to take the last three months off in the year and really just get to lock in and figure out how do I, how do I mix what I've, the mission that I've been on with Yes Theory, which feels like my life mission, you know, giving a sense of belonging to people that watch through the community that forms around the ideas that we present or just the idea of being a human

being on planet earth and seeing the different explorations through the different cultures and places that we get to visit that's always been the ethos the core that is like driving me personally within yes theory so now i have that like a you know inspiring a sense of belonging about our human experience and then the and then this other calling where i'm like i feel something massive coming the biggest paradigm shift in the history of our species and i feel you feel like these two things can be morphed into a new project that ultimately even allows me to feel that I'm truly responding to that calling. Yeah.

Without it being these, it's the two silos, you know, my disclosure, you know, truth-seeking, disclosure-seeking mission that I, you know, that I've been lucky to be able to do and support, you know, on Jesse's channel and, you know, my life and work with yesterday. And I don't really like the fact that they have kind of split. Especially, and that's the unfortunate thing, you know, post the grush piece, it not landing in the way that we had hoped. I'm a bit hesitant to repeat, even though it's probably, as I say, it's probably more driven by fear. But also, I think there's not a lot of spaces in the world, whether online or physical that are unifying and not. polarizing.

Yeah. And we've spent 10 years building yesterday to be one of the most unifying online spaces that maybe the hesitancy is just coming from. Like, I don't want to put a topic in it that will just create a divide within an audience that feels so cohesive. Fair. That's when, you know, some of our conversations with you basically inviting me to just start something from scratch and take the ones who are interested in this.

Yeah. People who are on similar journeys will find you. Yeah. And, you know, you don't want to waste your time. Or I wouldn't say waste your time. you don't want to spend most of your time trying to convince those who don't want to be convinced. Yeah. Because it's a lot of, it's a lot of waste of energy that can be put towards nurturing a relationship that you have with people who are curious. Yeah. And then also possibly through that relationship that you're fostering with these curious people, you were creating an energy that does attract other people.

Exactly. Who aren't interested. You know, eventually they're going, what's going on? Maybe I should see what's going on over there. And, you know, they'll come check it out when they're ready. Yeah. And not everybody's, you know, not everybody's on the same page. And I'm, you know, I'm very cognizant of that. I think that it's very important. We're all on different life paths.

We all, you know, whether you believe in, you know, reincarnation and we're here many, many times, learning many different lessons. Like, we're not all in that same lesson right now. Yeah. Some people are maybe just starting out. And some people are so much further past that it looks like they're starting. now to us, but they just have become nihilistic or like, you know, or on some other frequency. So, yeah. I also think it's unfortunately a privilege to be able to be able to have the time to think about all these things. Sure. And I think, you know, I've been since last night, since you told me

about the demographics, I've kind of been obsessing over like, why is that? It feels like it's, again, more relevant to us. It's going to affect our life. Sure. In the short term, you know, I think, more profoundly than someone in their 60s. And you just, you kind of think of it as like, well, someone in their 50s or 60s, they've already done life, they've bought their house, they've had their, their life is pretty safe. Yeah, they're not afraid of scrutiny anymore. Their hierarchy of needs is met. Yeah.

And now they have time to self-actualize and think about it. And ask the bigger questions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if it's just a matter of not being in the place in life where these are the questions that you're trying to answer. You're just trying to answer, like, what job am I going to have?

How do I pay rent? How do I pay rent? My student debt's racking up. And that's, I mean, that's totally normal. That's okay. And you make a great point. I think, yeah, there's, you know, the audience. I'm grateful that the audience, by the way, is like my age and up for me, for this channel.

Because, A, you know, coming from a YouTube channel where the audience wasn't so much younger, it was definitely like 18 to 35. But I also had under 18, you know, watching the puzzles and the math. magic stuff. Getting into a more mature audience, it allowed me to have more mature conversations and ideas that otherwise perhaps a less seasoned mind might dismiss as being completely insane where someone who's had time to sit around and think for a bit might go, hey, you know what, maybe. And I think that that's a that's a that's, that's, that's, part of the reason why it does attract an older crowd. But I also think that the older crowd

dealt with it a lot more than, you know, we have so much coming at us right now. The kids with phones and stuff, it's flavor of the week. So, okay, we got a congressional hearing. You know, we're talking about it years later. They're talking, they're not talking about it two weeks after it happened. We're talking about a congressional hearing this year that happened around 9-11, Charlie Kirk's assassination. So you're like, good luck having anyone even pay attention to what was said. No, yeah, exactly. No matter how groundbreaking it is.

Yeah. So, you know, you had to sit and stew in a lot of those things back in the day, right? Back in the 80s, 70s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you had to sit with that information. And that was all you had. You had no further information, yeah, until it was brought to light. So I think a lot of, you know, cases as well. you know, they're some of the best researchers in uphology existed in those times and they made their whole life's mission to get the word out about whether it's abductions or the UFO,

you know, phenomenon. And I think that had a long and lasting and profound impact on that generation. And perhaps there was a gap there during maybe the early 2000s and now where, you know, there wasn't as a sharp as a, a sharp as, an impact as, you know, the predecessors had. So, you know, maybe that's where the social media stuff starts to come in now. And maybe like you said, maybe there is now more than ever a way for, you know, these, this younger generation to, to get involved. Yeah. Let me ask you this. If you had to, right now, and you're talking to, you know, a young audience member, which, but they're not watching, But if you were hypothetically, right?

Young in the heart. I'm not saying you guys are too old, right? I'm saying, you know, where would you point them if you had to point them to one source of content, whether it's a book, a movie, a podcast, or show? What would that be? What would you tell them? It's a very obscure one. It's not going to be Elio, is it?

No. We just watched, which we should get to. We'll talk about it after. We should get to. There's actually a show. Let me just confirm the name. Sorry, they'll botch it. Well, I would suggest going to check out his Berkshire video on YouTube.

Definitely, I'll put the link in the description. You definitely want to watch that, even if you are a seasoned veteran in the UFO stuff. Go watch the Yes Theory UFO videos and watch their other videos, too. It is called. If you pull up flight of the navigator, I'm going to be pretty impressed. No, it's called, it's an MGM plus. Also, great question for the audience while you're looking that up. Audience, in the comments below, if I'm new to this, like, brand new, what's a book, movie, show, or podcast that you would suggest?

And hopefully whoever comes across this video, you know, has this crazy repertoire of, like, awesome insight. Oh, that's a beautiful problem. Please do that. Um, it's actually a show called Beyond that came out November 17th, 20204. And it's by MGM Plus. Is it Leslie, Leslie Keynes on that, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. Um, it's four episodes and I, I just thought it was one of the best made, most coherent UFO series ever made. Mm. Because it doesn't just focus on the nuts and bolts.

It's also the consciousness interface part. it felt like an amazing, like, yeah, if someone has a deep, genuine interest in this, this is an amazing place to go to, to be able to, yeah, and again, because it was an MGM plus, like, I just did the, you know, the one week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And watch it, I was really, really blown away. Yeah, I remember seeing. And I think you can probably, you can probably find, I think they end up putting maybe

an episode or two on YouTube, so they could promote it. Yeah. So, you know, check it out there and, you know, on Apple. Apple TV, you can always, you can always get to it. But when, when I feel like that's too high of a friction for someone to go and sign up or something, I usually say the phenomenon. That's what I was going to say. James Fox. It's a great, it's probably the best entry point, I think, in terms of a documentary. Yeah. Because it covers such a massive scale. Yeah. Of, you know, sightings, encounters, run-ins, like all this from legacy to, you know. Yeah.

And the phenomenon was how I, that was the first thing that I watched after because the phenomenon the phenomena came out the day after I put the Berkshires out or something like that. So yeah, yeah. And then in the phenomenon, the aerial case, which was the very end of the film, was what got me to just be like, what is in here? I want to know more.

There was something about watching kids. Like I responded to old people, you know, people in their late 50s and 60s. Sorry. So. Yeah. Careful. Them's fighting words around here.

That I just, you know, looked at and realized, oh, this, they have no reason to lie. I had this similarly but different feeling when kids were describing what they went through. And then that was also where I saw Dr. John Mack for the first time. And I immediately, I had such a, like a deep feeling towards him. And I didn't understand it then. I was like, who's this guy? who was just asking questions and being so attentive to what kids were saying. And then I come across the believer, which is Dr. John Mack's biography and I just read it.

And something, I almost, I understood what that feeling that I had towards him after I got to know his story. Because he was just a true hero who put sacrifice so much and put so much on the line to listen to people who had stories that nobody else believed. Yeah. I think for me, because that's the way I got into the phenomenon, I just felt so bad

for the people that I talked to in the Berkshire's video who, you know, as I said now in their 50s and 60s, who were just describing what they went through as kids and what their, you know, Tom Reed,

who's one of the main subjects of that case, his mom would be harassed. They owned a diner in the town and his mom was like the refuge to all these kids that their parents didn't believe, but because Tom's mom was in the car with him,

ending up switching places with his grandma, you know, who didn't drive. Like, she had more empathy because she just didn't deny these kids what they went through. And I, and I just,

I felt so mad at the world and at myself simultaneously because I was one of those people that would, like, who knows what would have happened if I lived in that town during that time. If right now, I have the entire internet. I have all of YouTube and I could, if I just spare half an hour to an hour,

maybe I, and I'm not a believer or like I never had curiosity towards the subject, you just spend half an hour and I promise that half an hour will make you want to ask more questions. I'm not going to say half an hour you're going to, you know, with certainty, know that the phenomenon is real. But at the least,

that half hour should generate like another week of like research because it should just be like all these question marks that you're coming across. And yeah, as I said for me, because my entry point was failing to believe people that, you know, did everything to be vulnerable and share their truth. I really connected with Dr. John Mack because I think that's what he did to people during the time that he, you know, started interviewing experiences and abductees. And I just, yeah, I thought he was, he was a great man. and I wanted in some shape or form to keep carrying that message of just giving people a platform a way to listen to their stories attentively and make them feel seen and heard.

And ultimately, I'll allow for this information to hopefully change something in the public. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you touched on something there that is really, I think, one of the one of the things that comes up a lot in this space, which is the word belief, and I believe you, or I want to believe, or do you believe this person? Is that believable? This is unbelievable. This word is just such a binary concept, and there's no nuance to it. No. And I feel that that's not fair for something that requires an immense amount of nuance in this subject. Agreed. And so, you know, Jesse refers to this a lot as well, and I do now as well, but like this idea of conviction level.

Because if I choose to believe something, then automatically more data comes in through a filter of belief. And if I choose to not believe, then I'm filtering out data that I don't want to hear that doesn't fit my model. And John Mack had a wonderful way of putting it. And in his book, Abduction, yeah, abductions, he said, you know, there's three things you can do with information. You can either apply it or you can either, you know, fit it into the, completely ignore it, fit it into your current model or expand your worldview. And that's it. That's really all you can do. Yeah.

And most people will do the first two. Most people will ignore. And I don't blame them for that. As you said, people got a lot of things going on. Why would you shake up their whole life and they still got to go to work? You know, I get it. You know, you don't want to hear about it. Totally fine.

If you think it's going to rock your world too much, then who am I to say, you got to look at this? Yeah. often the riskiest and the bravest and, you know, the one that'll probably ruin some relationships is broadening your worldview. But one thing that you don't want to do right off the bat with that worldview is saying, I believe everything. Yeah. Because we're looking at anomalies, we automatically have to sort of look at all the anomalies within the anomaly. Yeah. And there are many anomalies. Dude, there are lizard people that are Nazis that are on the moon. Like, it doesn't end, right?

And I'm sure someone's out there like, what do you mean? They're not real, you know? But the idea is that, yeah, you have to sort of mitigate this belief. And I think a good way of doing that is, like you said, judgment-free, let's just have the conversation. I don't need to tell you whether I believe you or not. Who cares? Who cares what I think? Let's just have the conversation and thank you for sharing, you know, what you think is true.

And that's all that matters. And if we can foster a community and a platform, multiple people, platforms that can do that. I think we're just helping disclosure in our own way. A hundred percent. And I almost have a, whenever I meet someone who doesn't, has not come across the subject. I have like an immediate classification. You're either an open-minded skeptic or just your classic, close-minded skeptic who won't, who will do the first two things. And that usually I will not. There's like, I have a few litmus tests for how to like figure that out. What is what's what's your what's your what's your initial litmus test? I want to know I need

well it's usually it's usually just kind of uh seeing their initial reaction bringing up the subject yeah okay well how do you bring it out do you usually like oh you see this UFO thing the other day or like do you like casually bring it up or do you like dude I spoke to a whistleblower no no I usually go I usually ask a more general question it was like oh do you do you think we've been visited are we you know that's interesting because that's a leading question too yeah yeah yeah well I I, yeah, I almost... You're ruling out the ultra-terrestrials now, Amar.

You're ruling out the interdimensional? Well, I think being visited from a realm, I'm not saying necessarily from up to down. But, yeah, and usually the way they respond to the question tells me a lot about their... Yeah, if they go, are you high? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Or they just like have the classic kind of like, they laugh and they're... A little green man? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

rather than it being, oh, like, you know, tell me more, or them having curiosity over the journey that makes me ask that question. Right. Yeah, I think the ridicule part is my litmus test. It's like, is your instinct to ridicule someone for bringing that topic up? Or is it to just ask more questions? But now I forget what I was going with this. That's good enough.

We got somewhere. But what I do want to talk about is, Elio. Yeah. Yeah, we got to talk about this. So last night, we're hanging out at the hotel, meet in Amar, and we're just like, we're having dinner. And he goes, did you hear about this Pixar movie that was about alien abduction? What?

I'm like, surely you must be mistaken. Or maybe it's like some foreign, you know, small budget Pixar offshoot. No, full-fledged Disney production of a child named Elio who wants to be abducted. by aliens whose aunt is part of space force. What a wild ride. Because what we were talking about, your journey. Yeah. Which we'll get into eventually here.

But is about this like, you know, creating some type of ambassadorship, if you like, on planet Earth for, you know, the phenomenon out there. Yeah. That's exactly what this movie's about. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. Yeah, it was so wild. Even the seat of motivation for the child in the film was the golden record, which is my...

And what's the golden record for those listening who might not know? The golden record was basically the best description for us is that it was the message in the bottle that we put out into space. On the Hubble, right? On Voyager. On Voyager, right, yeah, not the Hubble. And it is now the farthest objects that we've ever sent into space. there about one day light, one

one light day away which is just wild. All this time the farthest object that we've ever managed to send is one light day away. But the golden record holds basically

some fundamental information about life on Earth, about planet Earth, the makeup of life here, the fact that it's carbon base, some references to DNA, and also an hour and a half of Earth's greatest hits. And when I came across, when I got to learn about the Golden Record, I just felt so immensely inspired.

And I immediately asked myself, what exists today that can give people that same feeling? Golden Record was 50 years ago. And also, who picked the hour and a half? Like, whose decision was that? I didn't put my favorite Egyptian song. in there. Sure, yeah.

Born and raised in Egypt. But a lot of things also 50 years ago that aren't too kosher nowadays. Yeah, exactly. What do we put on there? Some bad tweets going out? What's going on? And I just, yeah, I immediately just became obsessed with how do you recreate that experiment today in a way that makes it more global than ever, more reachable than ever and more

inclusive than ever. And that was part of your sort of inspiration into like pursuing this and you know seeing that on this little Pixar movie right at the top we're like whoa I cry I mean you saw I immediately teared up because it just felt like it was like oh I really get what this child is feeling because I felt that yeah and um but yeah I think let's go back to Ilya before we get to earth embassy and talking about that because I thought

I found it very odd. that not a single person that I mentioned I not a single person that I mentioned Elyutu, too and this is a Disney Pixar they spend millions, tens of millions of dollars

of marketing. And it's decent. When they make movies, they make sure that people know that a movie was made. Nobody knew. So that's like general public.

I thought maybe my friends who were in the UFO space would get a, would hear about this. You know, trailer went out a year ago. Nobody knew anything. A year ago?

A year ago? That's crazy. Dude, I had no idea what you were talking about. Well, I only saw, I only saw the trailer in March of this year. So I didn't even see it when it came out a year ago. How did you see it? There's on Twitter or YouTube or something? On YouTube.

Yeah. And not even that as it showed up. It just someone mentioned the new Pixar. I was like, I haven't heard of that. But they didn't even mention in the context of it being like about the interest that I have. Yeah, yeah. It was just like. And then I go on, I watched the trailer.

I remember it was two minutes of just goosebumps because what what the trailer referenced made me perfectly see that this was if there's like a plan to prepare the public for

what's to come this is one of the biggest moves that you could make soft disclosure for the kids soft disclosure for the kids you're priming a child to grow up to not fear these concepts of abduction and they are even talking about like having samples taken like it was normalizing things probe yeah yeah probe oh so i'm just getting probed like he was happy to be kept things that

things that felt very much directed at just like normalizing certain things that maybe that i believe that will be way more out there and people will get to learn about it so it's really important to like prepare kids to receive some of these concepts even even when you see like the alien forms and the way the physical forms that they took. They're kind of interdimensional. Yeah, yeah. The craft is non-physical.

The craft spawns from the ocean. Yep. Right at the top. A lot of telepathy. Telepathy. There's all the classic sort of like tropes, but reimagine, not even tropes, the classic like symptoms of an abduction,

but reimagined in a Pixar universe. Yeah. You know, they made it cute and whatnot, but which is wild because, you know, obviously horrific. Yeah. to a lot of people. And to make a Pixar movie,

it was interesting. And then beyond that, beyond, you know, the happy story of, you know, which was a great story, great message. Beyond that,

you have some very real military presence in this movie. And we stayed to the end. I remember, you know, we watched the end credits here. And at the very end, This is so wild because I wanted to see because you see the badge.

It says Space Force. Yeah. It's the Air Force base. And there's even a box. And they mention arrow. That was the craziest mention in the whole film, I think. Yeah. It's like, oh, is there aliens there?

I don't know, but arrows here. And we're like, wait, we had to rewind it. We're like, did they say arrow? We literally had in the same breath, we go, did they just say arrow? And then we rewinded like 10 seconds to hear it again. And they did. And then even on one of the crates, you know, just like those skunkwork crates in close encounters, you had the arrow A-A-R-O, you know, on the box. So I was like, oh, they're really putting this out there.

And then at the very end, there's a, there's a mention. And it says, and I'll put this up, and it says, future Earth ambassadors, right? Yeah. Which is wild. Yeah. And it has a bunch of first names. And then under that it says, the producers gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of the United States Department of Defense and Department of the Air Force. Additionally, the producers

acknowledge the Guardians, with a capital G, serving in the United States Space Force for their time and help in lending authenticity to our narrative about space missions and daily life in the military. So, I mean, kind of wild, but you do have to get everything approved through like, you know, the Defense Department, but it isn't saying that they're like, we're great for. to the Department of Defense. I mean, it picks our movie about abductions. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, like, for the depiction to make it authentic. I'm like, the entire thing is about alien spacecrafts and interdimensional. What do you mean? Lend authenticity to our story. Yeah. So you're what? You're saying that this is, we're talking about an authentic story here. And there's like a retrieval at the end, too.

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of crazy. And it's just, as you said, like, we've never really seen, like, space force is like a, and it's the Air Force's logo. Like, they're not. It's not some made up thing. Yeah, they use like legit space force things. The other thought, the other thing that I thought was really interesting at one point, you pointed out, the, the child's aunt who's in space force and she keeps referencing astronauts.

They reference astronauts a whole bunch and don't even get into it. It's kind of weird. Yeah. But she, um, she plucks a hair sample from like one of the, one of the aliens and looks at it in a microscope. You know, and it's a whole thing about alien hair. Yeah. And I just did this podcast with Peter about an alien hair. So I filmed that whole segment.

I'll put it up. I'll put it up here. But I sent that to Peter. And I was like, dude, what? And he's like, where do you think they got that idea? I'm like, I don't know. But it's kind of crazy that we're looking at alien hair now in a Pixar movie. No, there are so many, there are so many references.

I really, yeah, it's on Disney Plus. If anyone wants to check it out, definitely recommend it. especially if people out there with their kids and they already hear you talking about this all the time, I feel like that would be quite a good generational bridge. Yeah, maybe that's the recommend for the very young. Yeah, exactly. You got to start somewhere. What would be a recommendation for?

Like what would you send people to if they... Yeah, I think the phenomenon as well. There's also a, I mean, there's a few things. The phenomenon would definitely be one. but I also, I'm a big fan of like moment of contact. Yeah. And I think for the hard skeptic out there, I think the moment of contact is like a sole single case with many, many witnesses in a town that has like, you don't see a lot of reason for people to be lying. Yeah.

And I think that one hit home for me like a lot because it's also, it also happened during my lifetime. Yeah. You know, 96. I would have been 12 years old. Like, you know, that's a, that's a wild thing to think about for me to be like, oh, I was playing, playing outside with friends while, you know, some aliens were running around in this town. And then lastly, I think the show, I think, I'm trying to think of the name here. It was a Stephen Spielberg show. It's on YouTube. Do you know this?

No. Not contact? It's not contact. Great movie, though. Oh, yeah, great movie. I'll Google it real quick. But this is, if you've never seen this, ooh, you're gonna,

you're gonna love this. But, but, but, but, but, uh, no, encounters was a docky series from Netflix, Taken. Taken. Do you know about Taken? No. Whoa.

What? Taken is probably, I would say, like, after you watch that, you go, Spielberg knows. Mm. It's a 10, you watch close encounters and you're like, Yeah, wait until you see Takens. Okay.

Because it's like sciop, Nazis, crash retrieval, alien bodies, autopsies. It goes into like all in like psionics. And like, dude, it is. When was it made? This was like early 2000s. Oh, wow. Free on YouTube, 10 episodes called Taken. Every time I ask somebody like, oh, what's something you should watch?

Everybody references taken because it flew under the radar. And it's Spielberg. Okay. I got my own theories. about Spielberg, but... Well, when you said, yeah, Spielberg knows, I think there has been a select few people

in society that... Like in media and stuff? Yeah, that have been. And I think Disney has had a... I think he's got a very important role. Yeah, big time, I think. And it's like, we're now in, like, the maybe final act,

the act before the final act in his, like, disclosure mission with the film coming out next year. Apparently, it's not the name of the movie. Oh, it's not going to be disclosure? No. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

maybe two on the nose or something. Yeah, but it's also maybe like, I mean, I threw this theory out there a couple months ago where I was like, what if? All right, like Spielberg. A long time ago, well, that's what I'm thinking. What if a long time ago he was given a deal? Like, hey, man, play ball.

You're going to be our guy. We're going to find you. We'll give you, you know, who names a movie close encounter of the third kind? Like, what an insane. Who would let you name that? Yeah. Nobody. Yeah.

Nobody. That's who. Oh, North. This way. That's the wildest title of a movie. Yeah. Hollywood, millions of dollars, we're going to let you just ruin it with some sentence of a name. Like, there's no way. It's an obscure passage in Jay Allen Hinex book.

It makes no sense. Yeah. No, we're going to let you do that. We'll let you do whatever you want, essentially. Wow. And, you know, from Taken to E.T. to close encounters. You know, he's just hit the entire spectrum of. of soft disclosure and then gets, you know, a movie and calls it disclosure.

And you're thinking, I'm thinking, what better way to serve up disclosure in America than to see it on the big screen while you're stuffing your face full of popcorn? And you look at the opening credits and it goes, this movie features a real UFO courtesy of the United States Navy or Air Force or whatever. And then you go, wait, what? And even maybe the actors don't even know that they're filming inside of a UFO. Maybe they don't know. Maybe that's what all the hubbub was in Jersey,

because that's exactly the time that they were filming. Oh, no way. Yeah. And so right after. And so maybe they were moving something. And so I thought, whoa, I wouldn't be too mad. I would not be mad at all if you told me that that was disclosure. I would forgive so much.

You know, I would look past a lot of the shortcomings the government had and be like, yeah, but you gave us the biggest blockbuster hit of all time. Yeah. In theaters now, get to see a real UFO. There's no more American way of disclosure. There is no American way. And when that movie title came out, Disclosure, two people in Congress retweeted it, Burleson and Luna.

And they said, you won't want to miss this about the movie. So they know what the content of the movie. I don't know that they know that, but that's a wild thing to tweet out from a congressperson like about a movie. Like that's doesn't,

that's not super credible. It's weird. So I just thought, man, that would be, that would be it. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here first. That was to come true. Yeah, maybe they caught wind of this.

And they were like, man, we've got to change the name now. Yeah. This guy's hot on our trail. No, he's just, yeah, clearly, I watched, I just watched E.T. for the first time, like, three weeks ago, which I know for people that, like, knowing that I'm into the topic. By the way, I haven't seen Star Wars, Star Trek. Like, I've actually, as a kid, I never, I didn't like fantasy. I didn't like sci-fi.

Don't respond well to things that don't feel real. Yeah. Which is, that's, that's my closest friends find it really, really ironic. now that I'm saying all these things that don't sound real whatsoever. But to me, they're more real than that. And ET was very real. There's a lot of very real elements in ET. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The lapity stuff. Also making us look at this ugly, hideous creature and thinking it's friendly. Which is what I thought Ily did really, really well. A lot of hideous creatures that. Yeah. Why would, yeah. Don't be scared of these. Yeah, normalizing different forms, yeah.

Yeah, maybe they're friendly. It's funny, I actually didn't watch ET because I thought that thing was hideous. And I thought I was like, ah, it's just like. That's a wild choice to make a cute friend. Yeah. No, it's, um. Have you seen Flight of the Navigator? No.

That's a good one. Okay. That's a good one. They actually shot that at NASA. They shot it at the, what is it called? Flight of the Navigator. Okay. I'll check it.

Yeah. Oh, dude, 80s. Okay. Oh, all day. Amazing. The audience already knows. Like, Flight of the Navvary is a solid, solid movie. A kid who has, like, a psionics relationship with, like, a UFO.

Oh, wow. Dude, it is on the nose so many different ways. They test him. Like, they literally hook him up to, like, one of these things, like an oscilloscope and have him, like, move frequencies. Where did you hear that before? Dan Sherman? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Yeah, it's in that movie. Whoa. Yep. Yeah, there's all sorts of really interesting stuff in that movie. It makes sense, right? Like, to what we were talking about, you really change people's minds by making them feel, not giving information.

And if you've already made them feel something in a story that is close enough to what will happen, oh, you've already simulated that reality for them that when it actually happens, the reaction is not going to be as jarring or as intense. So I think softening the blow has been the name of the game for Hollywood for the past seven years. Definitely. And I think, you know, Disney, not because of either, because of other things, Disney has had like a big role in that.

And Spielberg has had a big role of that. Someone like, I don't know, James Cameron was, he made a Biss, right? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, and, you know, I feel like we're just the new generation that is doing it, not because someone in the government is being like,

oh, this is the deal, this is, we'll give you these whistleblowers, but, you know, like we're just, we're just doing it because we're genuinely following our curiosity and, you know, we get to do it in ways that is so creative and so innovative. Like,

we are putting our art, yeah, an artistry into being able to tell these stories in a way that, and like movies, make people feel things and make, give people a sense of, you know, entertainment and,

and, um, enjoy watching something. And I, you know, as I said, that's why I really respect what you've, what you've come to add to the space. And, and, uh, and yeah, man, I, I take a lot of inspiration from that going into this next stage and, you know, building what I, I'm excited. Yeah. I'm excited to see it. I'm excited with, you know, to see, because you're also a very creative thinker.

And, you know, it's, it's just always nice to be able to, as a creator, get inspired, you know, by other like-minded people who, you know, have a different angle to things. So I mean, you know, there's, that's the other thing, too, like collaboratively, you know, we're going to get way further. If you look at the history of man, all of our innovations have come from war. All of our technological innovations have come from war. We're extremely good at killing people. Like, that's what we're, humanity is unfortunately really good at. And, you know, very creative and finding ways to do that. I'd like to imagine once we get past all that, how fast, and exponentially faster, we grow, technologically speaking, when we collaborate.

100%. When we figure out that like, oh, we, you know, it's not always sword, sharpened sword. Like, we don't have to do that. And once we get past that, I think, I think that's, if there is a space-faring civilization that's, you know, left their own solar system or their own planet, they've gotten there because they've stopped war. Yeah. And maybe that's the great filter that was, you know, being referred to by, um, um, um, Fermi. Yeah. Is it Fermi? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the great filter is to get past that point. Yeah, to drop the nukes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, I don't know where I heard that. But I heard that yesterday or this morning, maybe that maybe our purpose was not,

that was me. That was me. Created the nukes, but, uh, yeah, I said like, yeah, maybe the, yeah, yeah, like, like a prime directive. Yeah. Instead of having that prime directive be, oh, you discover warp drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you discover nuclear warheads. It becomes, oh, you've discovered nukes, and now you throw them away. Yeah, you've risen above it. That's where they're like, hey, welcome to the family.

Yeah, yeah. And again, maybe that's why they have the, just the deep interest in our nuclear installations and anything. And we were close with Kennedy. Yeah. That's as close as we got to, you know, with JFK. You know, speaking of nuclear and presidents, because it's relevant. We're in Canada. Do you know that Jimmy Carter responded to the biggest nuclear disaster in North America here in Canada,

and he was one of the engineers that they got dropped down to the core of the reactor that was messed up? And he was radioactive for like a couple of months after. No way. So when you think about, so Jimmy Carter is a nuclear engineer. Right. If there's any U.S. president that is going to have a siding, who would it be? Yeah. A nuclear engineer.

Like when I connected the dots there, I was like, oh my God, it makes so much sense. Not once, he sees it twice. And I think as looking at U.S. presidents, as someone who's like really put peace and cooperation at the forefront of policy, he was definitely someone that did that. Yeah. May his soul rest in peace. And I know that he wasn't revered as like a great president, but I just think in terms of values and in terms of like someone who's like lived up to. to such great values to the very end of their life he was if ever there was a president to make contact yeah yeah might have been it yeah yeah i i fear you know throwing a world leader in

front of an extraterrestrial you know we think of initially i think of Eisenhower the militarized you know industrial complex well you know a crazy connection that i also like couldn't get over when I started learning when I got into the topic I came to America for the first time through an invitation by Mary Jean Eisenhower his granddaughter

Whoa yeah And she just started this nonprofit called People to People International And in my small town Insteadette city in Egypt Maybe her daughter's into it His daughter or his granddaughter One of them

So I'm talking about his granddaughter now Okay Because she's even she's old I mean she was in her maybe 50s or 60s 15 years ago But, yeah, that was like, I was representing Egypt and I went to Colorado, Colorado Springs. Ooh, yeah. Which is like also weird.

Yeah. But I just always found it to be like such a wild coincidence that I like, my first time in America was because I was, you know, participating in her nonprofit that was about connecting people. And all these years later, I, you know, I discovered that maybe her grandpa. You've been ushered into this disclosure thing. You don't even know it. Your path has been chosen for you. Yeah, but I do think his speech, his, you know, feral speech is one of the most important and slept on.

Terrifying. Yeah. Like, I think, if anything, it's that speech that makes me think that he did, that something happened during his time. Oh, yeah. And they, and the military industry complex acted in a way that completely put humanity as like, humanity's interest on the side. And I think that just really, really scared him on his way out.

I don't know what I mean. Yeah, I only scared him when he lost power. Yeah, true. Yeah. Could have. When you have power, you kind of don't see it, I guess. Or you're part of the machine. You're part of the game.

Yeah. And you're out and you go, wait, what have I done? What's going on here? This is dangerous. Yeah, it's one of those things, man. And, like, you know, it's Cold War era. So that's, you know, I don't have a hard time blaming them for covering that up back then, you know, coming from what had happened at the Manhattan

or the, yeah, the Manhattan Project and like all that stuff, they were sworn to secrecy and because of that were deemed heroic. And so that mentality kind of didn't go anywhere. Yeah. That was still the mentality post-war that if you were read into a secret compartmentalized special access program, that you were considered heroic. And that, that was. patriotism is what covered up a lot of that stuff for a lot of years. Yeah. You know, and now it's starting to wane. I think it's starting to, you know, rip at the seams because people, the more patriotic thing would seem to protect the people.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. So out of all the people, like, you've met some really, you know, for someone just getting into the space as well, you know, you've gotten to through, you know, knowing, Jesse, you've gotten to meet David Grush. You've gotten to hang out with Lou Elizondo, with Beatrice Villa Royal. Villariel, yeah. Villa, Via Royal. Okay. Close enough. Um, you know, you got to meet all the people. Yeah, all these. Danipa Salca. That's right.

Yeah, like, just so many of the people that define my journey and like looking at all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Um, even Jake Barber. Yeah. Um, Assangell. from David Grush who was someone that really rocked your world Mario Woods Mario Woods Yeah

I think maybe because there was a connection to Egypt there Where he just For context But I mean His story is so wild That you should just

Check out Jesse's video That he did on him That Mario Woods was a nuclear security officer Protecting a nuclear installation called November 5 in was it Montana

November 5 is an interesting thing yeah again we talked yeah yeah remember the 5th November I watched last time I watched that movie I watched it with Jesse I think I didn't stop crying for like 10 15 minutes after it hit me so fucking deep and again I like for context too I

you know I'm a child of the Arab Spring in the Egyptian Revolution it was you know I was the most defining pivotal years of my life where then I had so much hope for like political change to happen through you know people mobilizing and coming together and so I get very uh I get very affected by stories of of of revolution and and revolutionaries and people you know sacrifice it for a greater cause so Mary Woods yeah thank you for thank you everybody who are okay so for uh oh yeah I went on attention about yeah that was me that's my fault that was my fault I hit you with the no

November 5. My brain, you know, connected. Travis Walton's thing when Bob Lazark came, it's all 5th in November. And then you have November 5 and I'm like, what is going on? Maybe I'll just keep it light. Also yesterday or two days ago. Wow. Yeah, yeah.

True. Mario Woods, nuclear security officer, one night as he's guarding one of the nukes, he just has this incredible encounter where missing time, all the classics, missing time, big object, massive object. This describes it as a sphere, the size of a Walmart, hovering 10 feet above where this nuke is, where like the door would open.

And then the thing, the orb, whatever that sphere was, like activates the nuke and like the door starts opening. And then he's immediately starting thinking about like the procedure for what he does to prevent the, like he was going to go drive his truck over that door so that when the door opens it, the truck goes down and on the, on the missile guidance system and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the ICBM doesn't go like you know it's the scary situation that you could find yourself in as a nuclear security officer you have a new that is going on online so um

there was just something so first of all he's just a sharp man who you know you would never guess he's 70 years old now you could be like this man is now early 50s yeah it's just like you know you can just feel the life force which also makes you think like of course that's the guy they would pick to protect nukes like yeah the crown just jewels of American of defense in the world. Yeah. Um, he was just so sharp and lucid, remembered things so clearly. He just felt like he was like a no bullshit guy. And then I think the other thing that I think made it more of a personal experience is that he started never really had interest in the pyramids or Egypt, but after that experience, he started getting a shit

ton of downloads about, about Egypt and he would see hieroglyphics and. Yeah, a lot of dreams, a lot of like sort of like what felt like prophetic dreams that he had and like journeys in those dreams that felt more vivid than regular dreams. Yeah. He still acknowledges them as dreams, by the way. He doesn't say that they were like real, but, you know, they affected him. Yeah. Yeah. So I just, you know, I asked him if he had ever been to Egypt and he said no. And I just told him like I would be honored to just be the reason for him, you know, to go to Egypt. So at some point in the next few months, he was getting his spouse. passport. I plan on taking him to Egypt. Wow. I just want to watch him see the pyramids for the first time and I want to take him to the new museum and. Well, that's right. They just opened that. Yeah, yeah. Like, I think, I want to go to Egypt. We should just take it. We should, we should go there and interview him there. Like, let's go. Let's do it. Amazing. All right. Yeah, I just, for some reason, I have these like feelings that certain artifacts are going to call him in more than others. Because,

he told me the story once about, he visited a collector in the US, like Egyptian artifacts collector. And apparently, instinctively, he went to like the oldest, most mysterious object in the entire collection. It was like hundreds of pieces.

And the guy, the collector found it to be very odd that he was like, that's the one that he knew. Yeah. So I just, again, go back to the question,

I just found him to be super sincere and just very likable. a person and and I was very happy that people that's that was like the main bulk of people's comments on Jesse's videos that they they really liked him and I could just it was like a really amazing sometimes you talk to people and you really have like a positive reaction to them in the moment like sitting with them but maybe on camera it doesn't you know it doesn't translate as well but with him it was just like equally as good in person as it was as it was on camera he's just a stud, you know, like, yeah. Yeah, I spoke to him, uh, Jesse introduced me to him and I spoke to him over

the phone one night for like three hours. Yeah. Amazing. I, like, like, I was, I was in, I was in my pool. And, um, I see the, you know, I see the text. Like, I was like, oh, I'm going to call him right now. Steve's up. Let's call him right now. Yeah. And we just stayed on the phone for like three hours. I was all, I had all my wrinkly hands afterwards. Doesn't, I could walk away. Yeah. He's the most fascinating guy. Uh, you know, no BS. Just very. Yeah, I mean to be in that line of work by the way, it's not everybody who can do that Because it's the the standards are so high and the testing is so rigorous and you know making sure that you're sober of sober mind is like imperative because you're in charge of the most dangerous thing in the world Yeah

You have within your line of sight something that can destroy the entire earth and everything on it forever. Did you watch there was a movie recently, Dynamite Room or something? Not yet, but I heard that the DoD did not like... Really?

Yeah, yeah, they had... They went out, they made a statement, they said that that is not like... It would never happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it scared the crap out of me. Like, it is scary. Yeah.

You see this like scenario, right, of the doomsday scenario, see it from like three points of view is essentially the movie. And, whoa, if it is anything like that, we're not as safe as we think we are. Yeah.

And that is terrifying. Like when you see that, like somebody describes it as hitting a bullet with another bullet is what we have to do to like stop these things. You're like, wait, what? I thought you guys had this locked in.

And so I can understand why the DOD would not like that. Yeah. I think it was something, it was a specific reference around, I think they mentioned a stat in the film about like our air defense against New York. Yeah, like 60%. Yeah, but they came and negated that. Yeah, of course.

No everything that we have. He's going to be all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But of course you would say that. Of course. Yeah, of course. Even in the movie, there's a, there's a guy, I don't want to give too much. There is a guy like, you know, higher up, a general or whatever.

And he's calming people down in the other room. And he's like, I don't know, it's just a glitch on the screen or whatever. Don't worry. Yeah. We're America. You know, we got this. But yeah, it's terrifying. So yeah, let's definitely take Mario Woods to Egypt and get to just experientially live that with him and ask him more about his story.

I had some like Egyptian sightings in my DMT trip too. Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah. Then, okay, let's definitely let's go. What about you? Who's someone that you've talked to that really left an impact? Hmm. I got, I think, you know, a lot of people.

I think a lot of people have, okay. I'm trying to, I mean, I'm trying to pinpoint exactly who I could say, because a lot of them have. I would say, I mean, Peter Curry was, I think, one of the most impactful, because, again, I would rather talk to a farmer than a lawmaker in this, in this category. And Peter Curry, you know, not just like everybody else in the world, not without his flaws and he's human. And when you talk to experiencers, as a magician, I'm aware that things might not always be as it was.

And that's not their fault. That's just the human condition and relaying story. Yeah. Putting that aside, seeing his emotional response to what he was saying struck me as very genuine. Yeah. And the context of what he was saying was so radical that, you know, talking about being presented his alien child. And that was like, like I told you off camera, it was like a fifth time I've heard something like that in person by experiencers off the podcast, incredible people. And didn't know about each other's story

because these aren't in print. And, you know, they're telling me the same details of how that went down and then seeing him break down. To me, that was like extremely, extremely profound. And, you know, definitely, you know, if you're just getting into the topic, don't start at that point of the conversation with, you know, with Peter Curry. But it is one of those, you know, I've been following Dr. David Jacobs' work for a long time. I've been, you know, reading up on, you know, whether it's Bud Hopkins or, you know, John Mack or, you know, John Keel. Like so many researchers. And that's come up. You know, even with Bud Hopkins. and Deborah Jordan, that, you know, that comes up as well. And it to me would, if anything, would mess you up more so than having a sample taken

or, you know, doing something weird to your privates or like, whatever that is, I think being shown what you believe to be your offspring on an alien ship that looks, you know, it's got a big head and stuff like what are you even saying yeah like that's got to mess you up forever dude and and in any in any context you know whether whether if you if you if what you're seeing you take to be true then that will mess you up yeah and so yeah i think i think that one but anytime i hear an experience or even Travis walton um anytime i hear somebody who's experienced something. Joe McMonigle, I think, you know, even though Joe tells story, you know, he's a good

storyteller. He's got a lot of receipts. Yeah. You know, Dr. Edwin May was another one who, you know, really blew my mind. And yeah, so quite a few. Yeah, another person that definitely left a massive impact was Robert Hastings. Yeah. UFOs and nukes.

Yep. Just as like one of the most referenced, you know, hard-headed empirical, like, evidence that you can give to whatever engineer you're talking to that doesn't believe that something happens. Like, that's usually a big reference that I give and getting to talk to him. And getting even getting to know more than what is mentioned in UFOs and nukes. Yeah. About his own personal experiences. Raise your conviction level. Oh, yeah.

An higher. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It actually made me realize that the people have come forward. They still, it's most likely that they haven't told us everything. Yeah. Because if they tell us everything. They got nothing left.

No, not that they even got nothing left, but they just, they're almost trying to manage the way someone will receive the information. Like, oh, yeah. Like some parts of this are almost. too extreme to be mentioned and they and they they they keep it out so for instance like the fact that he's had the people that have come up to him to self-report that they've had close encounters of the third kind post their military installation encounters was was pretty high and he's pretty high conviction that it's it's way more people than than the ones that self-reported you know seeing something and interacting with a light or

is different than oh no i end up on the craft not just that that craft continues to come and visit me for the years that followed like that's a different story um yeah to to just and again he's you know in his late 70s or early 80s and and to just see that level of passion and to see someone who's put their whole life to help making sure that at some point people just know that all of this happened yeah and now you know it is for for for you you, me and Jesse, it's like we always referenced that as like a as a way for someone to get

confirmation from people who are extremely credible on the nature of the phenomenon or its relationship to nukes. Yeah. So yeah, between funny enough that both people are nuclear connected. Well, it's an undeniable truth. Yeah.

When you mention people in that position. Yeah. And so yeah, definitely if you're looking for some type of like stability in, you know, warming up to this. Yeah. You would need credibility, you know, and people who are vouched for. You know, that's why, you know, pilots who are trained to see things, you know, are so much in people's eyes held in higher regard when it comes to sightings and, you know, reporting or police officers and so many police officers, by the way.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've covered, I think, three or four cases, but, like, other than Lonnie's and more, I mean, there's so, so, so many police officers. I mean, you're telling me to some of the calls that you're getting. Yeah. The ones that play at the beginning of episodes, which, by the way, I freaking love. Yeah. I have thousands.

Yeah. There's thousands of calls. Which, by the way, I think, okay, maybe you guys can encourage Chris to do this. But I think the cases that he finds interesting, if he does a follow up just on the phone, like from the scale or from your death. I would watch that. Because in my mind, I feel like it would be pretty light conversation and also knowing that, well, this person, I'm only like listening to them through their voice. Their face is not on. They don't really have much to gain.

I'll try it. I feel like that could, yeah, maybe if you guys want that. Dude, I'm down. I'm down to do fun things. Yeah. I'll do one. I've already got a few in mine. Okay.

I would have to clear it with them. Yeah. People don't want to be, you know, but if it's over the phone, maybe they'll just like. Yeah, you just change the pitch of their voice. and have them just like put the names in different with aliases or something. Sure. Yeah, because there's some wild stories out there, dude. Like I play, a lot of people get upset and they're like, why'd you cut it?

I'm like, it's a minute. It gets cut automatically. And I like it. I like it. I like it. Yeah. Oh. And then if you want to follow up, you just.

And it shows you how many people are out there and how many stories are out there. For me, what really hit me is after we put the grush piece, I started getting DMs from around the world. Yep. And then I made a point in all my travels with the S theory and asking people in the places that I travel to that are very far and off the beating path, whether it's, I don't know, Yakutsia and Yakutsia and in Siberia and Russia, you know, or Kazakhstan near the nuclear testing site. And I have like an 8 out of 10 hit rate with just complete strangers that are not at all connected to them. Like in different places. People have stories. People have seen things.

Their parents have seen things. Like I, one of the, he was a yesterday subscriber that came and very kindly, you know, greeted us into Kazakhstan. And I, as I do, I just talk about the phenomenon and talk about this. And he told me, when I watched that video in the Berkshires, it was the first time he remembered something that his mom said when he was a kid about something that she went through. that he never believed that kind of dismissed but that video was the reason

he went back to his mom and asked her about the experience and it was a classic abduction experience in Kazakhstan just like back in the day everybody's got a story man yeah which is by the way Kazakhstan also

the reason I asked there because it's where the most nuclear tests on Earth you know I didn't know that happened the most density in any places well

yeah that would be a hot spot then wouldn't it yeah oh my gosh so so yeah I just there's a follow-up video in Kazakhstan to be done.

Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, the amount of follow-ups if I were to just like fully track, you know, trace the... I mean, Kazakhstan is a wild. I never thought of that. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah.

Where would you go? Where would you go if you had like top three spots to go that are like obscure? You know what? Something else on Kazakhstan. So we were interviewing for the episode that we did there. It was about the nuclear testing site. We interviewed some of the people that participated in. that were around serving during that time.

And I remember, just hate me. The reaction of one of them when I asked about UFOs was so like shut down, firm, no, like as if felt like immediately like, oh, that's an order that you had a long time ago. Whoa. That you immediately kind of like fell back into and you were like completely shut down the topic.

Because one of the people that I talked to was one of the people responsible for dismantling the last nuke out of the Soviet Union out of Kazakhstan at least What a job Yeah Yeah yeah yeah I highly recommend that also

The episode If I feel like Good intersection point with With the audience Yeah I'm gonna check it out That's wild

Where would you say Where are two other countries That you would Like to investigate That are obscure That are not like Super You know

Well known Um I would like to go to where some of the tribes that have lore around African tribes. African, yeah, that have lore around aliens or beings. Yeah, there's reptilian whispers of like, yeah, the ant people. Yeah, there's like the reptilian stuff too about, there's also, isn't a, where was the tribe, where was the, the country that had the, like, the Ark of the Covenant was. Is that Ethiopia?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some stuff there as well. And then the other one is just because I'm curious, I'm, you know, Egyptian born and raised Egypt. I have not heard any stories out of Egypt and I, but that feels odd. Like, I think it's true. I think, I think there's something there.

I also, maybe again, it's a bit of a tangent, but I do think that the true history of Egypt is very much connected to disclosure. Yeah, Egypt would be a cool place. For me, you know, going back to my, my homeland, and especially now every time I go back, I'm like going to a different museum to just look at the artifacts and look at what's written and what's depicted. And I'm looking at everything with such a new light and the light with what we know about or the little that we know about nature of reality or, you know, potential ancient civilizations,

open times of open contact maybe that allowed us to potentially have the technology to be able to build these things that today we don't even know how they you know how they did it i feel like yeah there's a like i've always had a connection to the pyramids as i was a kid like a big part of my story with yes theory is connected to the pyramid of course yeah an attempt to climb the pyramid when i was 19 becoming the first person to ever get a legal permission to do it but then like because of corruption i get prevented and then 10 years later i you know managed to like skydive over the pierce so the pyramid has always been a part of my story it's like I am who I am today because I grew up half an hour away from it.

And it was always to me that's like the sign that you can do the impossible, like affected me to the deepest part of my core. And I just have a feeling that it's that Egypt's history, Egypt's true ancient history is connected to the true nature of reality way more than we think. Yeah, I agree with that. I think a lot of people would agree with that too. In what way that's to be determined? Yeah, in what way that's, I think just in the way where we've already lived a chapter where open contact wasn't.

Yes, and it's not what you think. And it's not what you think. Yeah, it's not like maybe not so nuts and bolts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of that is like astral traveling. Exactly. Yeah, obviously the use of like- psychedelics too.

Psychedelics, vibration chambers, meditation chambers, like things like that. I think, yeah, definitely they were on to something and it was working. Yeah. It was working a lot more than, you know, whatever came after them. Yeah, yeah. And for me, what I always found odd is just the, you know, the natural life cycle of a civilization. You kind of, you go like this. Yeah.

You can start from somewhere. You get really good and something happens at your peak and then you kind of, the downfall happens. With ancient Egyptian civilization, it's weird. It kind of starts at the top with the most impressive things being presented. And then throughout time, it just kind of. Yeah, it almost seems like they discovered that first one. Yeah. and then they try to replicate it.

And weird, exactly. Weirdly, too, you look at the artifacts of the families that come later, and they just feel like copies of. Yeah, replica is like cheap replica. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, there's. It seems like it's, and that's not above us or beneath us, rather, to discover something and build on top of it.

We've done that over and over and over again. So, like, if you find ruins somewhere, you say, that's a good foundation. We can build on that. That's been done throughout history. Yeah. So, you know, wouldn't put it past Egyptians discovering ancient Egyptian stuff, you know, or ancient Egyptians discovering ancient Egyptian stuff. Yeah, yeah.

And being like, hey, yeah, we can use that. Let's build on that. For sure. So, yeah, I just, yeah, between, you know, some of these African tribes, which, by the way, I really like that point. And the Anapasalko's book encounters, the most recent one, which is the fact that we seek this. We look at disclosure with the very western. perspective as if it hasn't happened for indigenous people in other places.

It's like very, you know, single perspective only here, no, it needs to happen within these parameters of, you know, getting certain evidence and it being within the scientific framework. Peer reviewed. Yeah, so that we can like deem it through. But no, people have been on earth for freaking, you know, millennias and they've had their own culture and their own

stories that describe these things. And I just want to interact more. I think I just, I'm so after all these years in the US and you know, spending a couple, looking at all whistleblowers and meeting people, I'm just so tired and done with that part of disclosure. Yeah. I want to be out taking Mario Woods to Egypt. I don't think you're alone, by the way.

I want to be going to, you know, Norway and Sweden with Jesse to like, you know, chase stories there and like that I feel is is the path to true disclosure. Definitely. And it's so empowering. And it's like, that's why I get so freaking excited whenever, you know, you or Jesse put out something that just feels truly, you know, groundbreaking and, and just like, moving the needles for so much because I always think always and maybe now that I know the demographic of the audience maybe I'll think of it less but I always think of just like there's

some PhD candidate that I was watching this because I have we've had that during the the public hearing with Grush sure like this you know yesterday subscriber that came she was a PhD can physics and I could just see it live happening in front of me I could see her worldview changing and potentially maybe even the the subject of her thesis yeah shifting would shift because all because Because Dave has just opened up her mind towards something. And I always think about the chain reaction effect that we will never get to know. You will never get to know who's the person that is watching that maybe will go to their lab and do an experiment based on just something that you. On the go, you said not thinking anything of it.

And maybe that will create some sort of breakthrough that you'll never get to know that you're linked to it. So to me, that's at the core of the, of the, of the series message of impact is. to activate that chain reaction effect because when you do something that is from, you know, the most authentic part of you because you're curious or because you, you know, you want to explore something

that has the power in moving something in this, someone else in the same way that gets them to do that in their own life. Yeah, it's a playful energy. Yeah. And I, so yeah, I always think about just like this path and these conversations creating a chain reaction that we may

never be able to track, but it's 100% is the path to this next paradigm shift and to, you know, the awakening that I believe that we're going through right now. So, man, keep, keep up the good work and I'm, you know, will be here as your biggest, you know, fan, you and you and Jesse and anything I can ever do to support the, the mission and help grow it bigger. I'm always here for it and I I really look forward to just like our collaboration on on on on what's next and however whatever way I decide to pursue this calling of you know using my skill set to to create these access points for people to get to know about the phenomenon and get to about about disclosure and and go through their own journey to get there yeah I really look forward

to I can tell man you're radiating it's going to be fun to watch and there's nothing like All my friends will say that it is a topic that as soon as I speak about, it just comes. Yeah. Like I have a friend, one of my best friends, Kate, just told me, whenever you speak, I could just, I almost visualize every chakra in you just fully aligned because you're speaking from like every part of you. And I feel it. And I, you know, I could be in the worst mood and the, you know, in a, in a, so tired. I don't even want to like talk anymore. And as soon as the subject comes on, I just feel.

fire inside of me. And I, and yeah, I, I, I look forward to being able to harness that more into into this calling into this mission. Stoked. Stoked for you. Likewise. As some of you know, and if you don't, becoming a member here or an intern, as we call them, whether it's on Patreon or YouTube, you get access to a whole bunch of cool things. And one of those cool things is the potential to ask our amazing guests, a question that you might have. And so we're bringing that up right now let's go with the first one

not quite human is his name yeah yeah whoa great question honestly the Berkshers which is the story of how I got

into the whole topic usually when I mention it to people even in the subject they haven't heard much about it and it's pretty historically relevant because it was the first case to be deemed historically accurate historically true

historically true and and you've got different people in different towns that haven't met each other that have had the same experience, seen the same craft slash crafts, because it was one big saucer and then a bunch of orbs, the size of VWs. Yeah,

and then some of them remember seeing the other kids on top of the craft. Yeah, that's a good. So, yeah, I would say, you know, I don't hear about it in a lot. Like, it's not one of the famous cases, but I think it deserves a lot more attention just because of the amount of people that have had the experience of, you know, the interest of even the UN in it after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great one.

Yeah. And, you know, northeastern United States is a bit of a hot spot for all those. You have, obviously, the Betty and Barney Hill incident. You have the incident at Exeter, which is also New Hampshire. So many, so many, so many cases. I'm thinking Linda Cortiel, you know, the Manhattan abduction. Yeah, Whitley Streber's happened there. Like, it's such a hot spot for alien abduction.

But yeah, that's a great one. And to be, to be frank, like last night, you hit me with this. And I was like, you started talking about this. And I was like, you know, somebody sent me a mess about this. And it's the only screen that's open on my, I'm like, so wild that you mentioned this because I'm looking into this right now for a possible, you know, investigation, read through. And I had no idea, you know, self-admit. that you had made that video. And I don't know how, because I saw the Grush video.

Yeah. And I just don't know how it flew over my head. And I thought, man, how weird that I didn't, until you mentioned it. And then I also have it on my computer. And I was like, maybe I wasn't meant to be fully briefed on that. So last night, like after we died, I watched your entire video. I got, yeah, I had to. Oh, I'll have to.

I'll easily connect you with Tom Reed, if you want to talk to him. Yeah. Melanie could be a good question. Yeah, that could be interesting for sure. Yeah, definitely. But you guys did such a great job on that. You know, you covered a lot of the angles. All right.

We'll go to the next one here. This is a really great question from Hex. If you could visit an event in history as part of your seeking discomfort philosophy. The building of the pyramid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a popular answer for that. For time traveling, a lot of people.

Yeah, I want to be a fly in the wall. for that. Yeah. You know, it would be so funny if like you get there and you're like, oh yeah,

that makes sense. And they're just like this crazy police system. You're like, yeah. So that or like the operation control room at the Roswell crash or whatever first crash happened in the US.

Yeah. The control room. Like I want to see like the freak out. Wow. So not even on the ground. Boots on the ground like where the crash is. No, I think it would be more.

interesting to see because I'm more interested in the response like I believe the I believe what happened sure yeah what people say happened there that I'm I'm less curious about what actually happened because I feel like we're pretty close to knowing but I'm really curious to know what made them decide to go to this course that they've gone and and know what everything that followed after because I really think it probably defines so much I mean the CIA was say and the Air Forces were created right after Roswell like it feels like it was pretty monumental moment in, you know, in, in U.S. history that I feel like it would be, it'd be pretty.

Yeah. No, that's a great. That's a great answer. Yeah. Mine would have been Aztec. Ooh. Yeah. 16 bodies, an intact craft two weeks to pull that craft out through where they pulled it because

of the winching system and the sand and stuff. They had to like pour these little slabs for the winch system, which are still there. Wow. Like all the trees are missing in that area. Yeah. You've gone. I was boots on the ground with all the... It is wildly convincing.

Just the terrain. Yeah. You know, and I'm going to let... I don't want to give away too much because, you know, Jesse's project, it's an incredible... I know that UAP GERB did a whole deep dive on it, but, you know, with respect to Jesse's work, I think that's going to be the best thing on his channel. Maybe I'm biased because, you know, I help direct it, but... Amazing. The story is, you know, and it's funny, I spoke to Suzanne Ramsey yesterday, who, you know, Scott and Suzanne, they wrote some of the more, you know, definitive work other than Will Steinman on that crash.

And they spent a lot of their own money. Oh, my God, yeah, over half a million. Yeah, throughout their, you know, 30 years or whatever it was of investigation. But yeah, that would have been mine. I can't wait for that video to be out. Yeah, same. Yeah. Yeah, so much.

I know some of the things coming on your channel. I know some of the things coming on Jesse's channel. It is going to be a wild winter slash fall. Yeah, 2026 is looking. Yeah. Looking pretty nice. Yeah. How has it evolved over time?

So where it started to where it is now, what does seeking discomfort mean for you then? And what does it mean for you now? Has it stayed consistent? It has stayed consistent. I think I'm just more careful with not pushing out of my comfort zone into the panic zone. There's like a good buffer area where you, you're not, where a lot of, is, think of it as like the optimal zone of,

of having high stress, but not high stress enough that you burn up. It actually has a scientific name. I just forget, like someone in 1902 came up with a theory for that sweet spot of, really? Yeah. That's interesting.

And, have you guys ever talked about that? No, but it's going to be in a book that is coming out. Which, by the way, you can think of it also in the, in the context of exercise. Like if you work out so hard that you, you know, you work out to tear your muscles in a way, micro-tares, and that's how growth happens.

But if you tear it so much, then you're simply just damaging it. So I think learning the extent of discomfort where you're not in survival has been probably one of the biggest, like, growing up elements of that allowed the philosophy of seeking discomfort for me personally to evolve. And then... I love that. Yeah. Because it is, I think young, you're just fucking full send just like out of your comfort zone. No. You know, you're not really, you're not thinking about the...

Yeah, seek discomfort, not dissociation. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you're not thinking about what you, the time that it takes to process an experience or, or the impact that, you know, going so hard through an experience will take on you. Yeah. So would you, would you say you're more aware of, of the benefits of seeking discomfort now than you were before. Like the mission stayed the same, but now you're like more conscious of all the individual lessons

that you're picking up through these. Like you've appreciated seeking discomfort more. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. And also showed me where I haven't sought discomfort. Or you missed it. Where I missed it. So, you know, for me, I feel like a big area where I missed it has been,

uh, the discipline that some, you know, the self-care habits habits take whether that's you know exercise or eating well or mindfulness or just feel like I was always kind of like on the go didn't really prioritize that before it took me a while you know it took me out training for this marathon is the first thing that I've ever trained for in my entire life um I like have a habit to show up more for like the big moments and do it well and do it comfortably but don't really show up for like the prep work you know I kind of fall short, fall short in that.

And I think Seeking the Scumfer for me now is realizing that, oh, saying that I'm just good at like, you know, the big moments is just the cop-out from, you know, fully putting the effort that it takes to prep for something, which is a risk because you're raising the stakes.

Now you've put time and effort into something. So I think, yeah, for me it's, I think seek-discomfort has been a, like a self-updating philosophy. You can't really. get to the bottom and be like, I have sought all the discomfort that I can see. I've sought a lot of like intellectual discomfort in my life, spiritual and being able to like

define how I want to live and what values and what is it my, what is my relationship to God, what is God to me, all these things. But as I said, not so much in like the physicality of, you know, of discomfort of pushing my body. That's great. Yeah. So there has been an evolution. For sure.

But it's, it's, becoming more selective. Right. With it. Well, it's almost like you, it's interesting. It's like anything else, you know, with mastery. Yeah. Whether it's, you know, learning sleight of hand or learning how to be a comedian or all that. It takes practice.

It takes mastery. And seeking discomfort, I don't think is, is, I think it falls into that category as well. It's a skill. Yeah. And it's a talent. that you can excel at. Sure, you can do at any point. Anybody can throw a basketball through a hoop.

But, you know, as you get better at it, you learn to appreciate it more. Yeah. The art in it. The, the, your own arc within it, like all of these, you know, fun things to appreciate. Exactly. Lastly, we got a cool question here for the last one here. Lessons by Jesse Michaels. When are you starting your UFO Earth Embassy Channel and fulfilling?

your destiny, Jesse Michaels. Well, I did about two hours and 30 minutes ago. I have created the channel and I'm not sure I want to say its name right now. Sure, yeah. It's funny. Keep it.

But it's I am doing it. It's happening right now. So Jesse, I know that he's been one of the people that have been just the most supportive and, you know, guiding in that process of making that leap and and going for it. So yeah, I really appreciate the role that he's played and the amount of things that he's included me in, the people that have met because of him.

So yeah, the answer is it's already happening right now, but 2026 is when it goes out to the world. Amar, it's been amazing talking to you. Would you like to, we'll take a quick break. Would you like to stick around for the extra chat? Absolutely. All right. I do want to ask you, and maybe this is something,

you know, I'm going to get reamed here in the comments, but I do want to ask you about a few sightings you've had. Okay. You know, and unfair to the, unfair to the current audience. So actually, before we head out, one last, one last thing, you've had a few sightings. Yeah. Can you, three sidings.

Yeah. Can you give us, can you talk about one? Yeah. Right now. I'll talk about the most recent one just because it's the one that lasted the longest. I mean, the first two are like a split second of seeing something. So I always call them like a half, half siding. But the three of one was in Venice.

I saw the fastest moving object in the sky at night, far self-illuminating, not blinking. With your eyes. With my eyes just streaked across the sky. Not a shooting star. I could see the object the entire time. That was the second time. The first one was when I was at Lou's house in Wyoming with Jesse.

And Jesse mentions that side of before, but we both saw almost the end of a green fireball shooting off the horizon up. But like we caught it at the very last second. We both saw the same thing. But again, a split second of seeing it. The last one was two months. It was a month and a half ago. And I was in Dubai.

I was watching the movie Arrival in this like two person showing in the desert. It's like the set up private movie theater set up and on the sand dunes under the, under the stars. Just like a classic viewing experience. Yeah. It was a date. And watched Arrival. one of my favorite movies and the entire time I was watching

I was just feeling so much and I prayed so much that something appears and then after the movie ended I was like oh let you know asked my lady to go on the side and like do a take a video and as I was taking a video

of just like kind of recording the moment she like freaks out goes what's that and then I was looking at the phone and she's looking up but then I look up and then this object kind of like

settle stops in place and it just like stays there and blinks erratically obviously Dubai is like massive massive airspace so many planes landing

and taking off so I'm seeing other planes in the sky I know that I'm not looking at a plane so what she sees is she sees the object dart down

almost from space and then it's and then stay stationary and where we saw it how far off the ground far no no no yeah yeah

and what color light was it White. White light. Yeah. And it was pulsating, you said? Pulsating. Wow. But not with, not rhythmically.

Like, it was off rhythm. And how long was this siding? Three to four minutes. Whoa. Yeah. You're sitting there staring at this thing for three to four minutes. I'm putting my finger so I can actually, so I can actually tell that I'm looking at something that is like in the same place.

So yeah, I mean, no siding that is like a physical crap during daytime. And honestly, I think at the beginning of my. of my journey I was more obsessed with seeing. I actually wish for other people, like for other friends that I have and other people that maybe have a harder time with it, I wish for them to see it before I even get to see something. I don't feel like I'm missing the,

you don't require that. The seeing part for me to, yeah, for me to be on board with this. Yeah, like I, but first, I really want it so bad. I look up all the time. Yeah, I'm always looking at.

But just at this point, I know that when it's, when it's meant for me, it's going to, it's going to happen. I'll give you a fun fact. First of all, thank you for sharing that. And they appreciate it too. Of course. Before we hop into the, you know, the Patreon extras. A fun, fun little fact is that, you know, you mentioned these 1-800 number, the 1-800 calls that I get. I've compiled, because I do catalog them as well.

Yeah. And I have a bit of a database there. I'm a bit, you know, when it comes to this stuff, I like, I like doing it. I can tell. Yeah. With all the archiving stuff. Yeah. Yeah, archiving.

But I do have a list ongoing of people who, whose story starts with, I was having a smoke. Dude, I have like 50. That is an occurrence. And I think it has to, I think, like, my personal own, like, view of the psychology of that is that you are finally looking at. Because when else would you just be standing outside looking up? Yeah. Other than having a smoke. Yeah.

And so so many people are, I was just lighten a smoke. Yeah. And then all of a sudden this thing and yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Looking up, yeah. And so it's just one of those things where like, and that's why if you, you know, if you don't know me, I look insane. But every time I get out of my car, I usually stop and I look up for like 10 seconds. And then anytime I'm outside, if I, as soon as I go outside, I scan. Because that's where you're going to see it.

Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah. And it just goes to show you people having a dart, smoking a cigarette, smoking a joint, whatever it is, they're seeing stuff. Yeah. And they're not even looking up that often. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, get out there, look up. All right.

Great final message for this. Absolutely. Guys, go follow Amar's journey. Go follow Yes Theory. Go follow the future project that he's got going on. I'll leave all the links below. Thank you again, Amar. And don't go anywhere.

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