AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - UFC Champion has Close Encounter with a UFO - Georges St-Pierre (GSP) - DEBRIEFED ep. 25

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

UFC Champion Georges St-Pierre joins me in the SCIF to discuss his UFO sighting in New Mexico as well as his Out of body experience on Ayahuasca. We also get in to the fighter's mentality, ego and psychic abilities.Patreon Exclusive Content: https://www.patreon.com/Area52investigationsAREA 52 Shop: https://www.1st.shop/collections/area-52Join The Area52 Discord: https://discord.gg/C7ZB5M3qjv

15 years ago, I was in Albuquerque, and we weren't on a road, and we experienced something that night. We rolled down the windows and we look out, and we just see like this, I mean, UFO. Sort of coming towards us, and then it changed direction, and then it changed again the direction, and it skipped. Whoa. It disappeared. Because this is also something mentioned by Bob Lazare. And you had an opportunity to meet Bob. Did you bring this up to him?

I did. Fast forward a few years. Now, I'm in Washington, so I'm like, you know what? I'm going to ask a big question. So I told the lady in front of me, and as I'm talking to her, the entire table stopped talking. All the attention turned on me. You know, I just want to ask you, is there something out there? And she told me, you're not crazy.

There's something out there. I was like, boom. Like, oh my God. During COVID, after I retired, I decided to. to go on a journey, I decide to do ayahuasca. When it started, I start leaving my body. I start levitating and I'm not leaving my body going up like this. I'm leaving it going up like this, looking down.

You're seeing yourself? Yeah. I even see my friend. He was texting someone, told him, I said, you were texting this person and he said, how did you know? I went over your shoulder, man, I saw it. I'm not alone. There's something that sort of lift me up. And can I use, I'm going to draw it to you.

No eyes, no mouth. And it was communicating with me. You know, who are you? And it says, I'm you and everybody in the same time. I'm the air you breathe and the water you drink. I'm the air you breathe and the water you drink. I know why you're here. You're curious to know about what is consciousness.

And I'm going to show it to you. And then I see the. the map, the planet, the solar system. It's like I'm going out. Like I zoom out, you know, from where I was. And I see the entire, the galaxies, the universe, the different universe, the different dimensions. To the point that, at one point, I'm like, it's too much. I can't take it anymore.

In 1994, I was probably about six years old. And I remember my big sister running outside from inside our house. I follow her out into the street. We get out into the street. The neighbors are out looking. up at the sky, four or five houses down. Spinning a disc with spinning lights all around it and a spotlight coming down from the center. It must have been like, I don't know, 40 feet above this house that was like five houses down from us.

Don't remember anybody talking about it after. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Today we're joined by an amazing guest, Jean-Saint-Pierre. George, thank you so much for doing this. This is unexpected, I think, to a lot of of the viewers are like, what is George St. Pierre doing on this podcast? I'm happy to be here. And I mean, thank you for having me a few weeks ago with Louis Elizando. I mean, I'm really happy that you allowed me to come here and have a conversation with him. Yeah, it was, it was incredible. And, you know, obviously the things that are spoken about off camera often, like we get into like some deeper stuff, right? And more, more things that are

speculative so it's not you can't really say it on camera because it's not sure and so but those are the fun conversations yeah it's a lot of stuff sometimes that when you talk about it a lot of people will roll their eyes back and it will touch your credibility but um you know I'm passionate about uh you APs and um it's a subject that that I'm very interested in and uh when I found out that louisando came here I was like man he's one of the guy that I always wanted to meet yeah and to have the opportunity to do it to have a like conversation with this guy it was it was amazing and when that happened the weekend just the weekend before I was in Washington that's right I had an

opportunity to meet with some high-ranked military in United States because it was during the inauguration weekend I was not there really for the inauguration I was there because of the with some of the guy of the UFC, John Jones was there, Booneicle and Connor and yeah exactly a lot of guys were there a lot of the professional athlete were there so I had an opportunity to go and I took it because I had that chance to meet different people it was a great opportunity I would have I would have been a fool to not take it I would have taken it I think most people take that opportunity of course I mean it's a it's a chance of a lifetime an opportunity

of a lifetime. So I met a lot of people, but of all the celebrity that I've met that weekend, I met Zuckerberry. I met a lot of a lot of celebrity, but for me, the, the thrill of my weekend, it was to be able to sit down with some of the high-ranked military, some of the guys that, you know, when you want to talk about UAP's secret program and stuff like that, These are the guys that knows the answers and had amazing conversation. And still to this day, I'm, you know, a lot of these guys I'm a friend with. We text each other and I made some great friends there. And it was just an amazing weekend.

Wow. That's a. So wait, are you, are you okay saying? How did, how did you get into that? Like, what did, what happened there during those like interactions that? Like, because, you know, it's weird to go out to someone and be like, so. what about the UFOs? How did that conversation start?

Well, so the way it started is the first dinner, it was a Friday night. The first day that I arrived in Washington had a dinner at night. And I get introduced to these guys with Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy is a former USC fighter. Green Beret. Green Beret. And he's the guy that on the field, you know, like he's like a cowboy, you know. He's the one who do the dirty job on the field.

And he introduced me to a lot of these guys and to Sarah Averano. I get introduced to a lot of the people in different branch of the military there. And we had dinner. And a lot of the veteran, a lot of the military people are big fans of mixed martialists. art, so they knew who I was. I mean, to be fair, a lot of people know who you are, not just in the military. But that's one of the reasons why I was able to get in touch with these people. So the first dinner that we had, it was like about maybe 12, 15 people around the table.

And, you know, we didn't know each other. You know, some of these guys, like, almost, I mean, actually, except from, from, Tim that I know for a few years, all the other people around the table, I had never met before. And we all introduce each other, you know, like. And I didn't realize with who I was sitting until at one point during the dinner. I was thinking, I was like, you know what? If I want to ask the question, that's the time to do it. Because I might never ever had another opportunity in my life.

to ask this question. Maybe I'm going to look like a fool and they're all going to make fun of me thinking, oh, I'm brain damage or whatever. Or maybe they're going to tell me what they are allowed to tell me. So everybody was talking to the people next to them because it was a big table.

At one point, I was like, you know what? I had a conversation with different people, but I talked to one of the person that was in front of me. I asked, she was a lady. And I asked her, I said, I always wanted to ask you this question. I, you know, one day, and I told her one of the adventure that I had that one day, and I was in a few years ago, before my fight with Matt Serra, it's about 15 years ago.

I was in Albuquerque, and I was in a car, and I was with Mike Van Arsdale, He was a former UFC fighter, Rashad Evans, Ali Abdel Aziz, who was Khabib and Islam Makachev manager. He was a training partner of mine. And another guy named Alejandro, he's a Mexican, but I don't know what he became.

I lost contact with him. And Ali, Alejandro and I were in the backseat. Mike Van Arsdel was driving. Rashad Evans was on the passenger seat. And we weren't on a road and we saw something. We experienced something that night that all five of us. Like it's undeniable. Like something, we saw something.

What did you see? Was it like lights in the sky or was it? Yeah, it was a light sort of coming towards us. And when it happened, I had. an impression. And I don't have the, it's not a certainty, but I was under the impression that sort of, the time sort of stopped.

Not the car, but the car kept rolling, but like, you know when you get so intensely... Like you're mesmerized. Yeah, yeah, like all of us were like, like we only had focus on that thing. So it came towards us, and then it changed direction, and then it changed direction.

change again the direction and it skip and it disappear. And for that brief moment, it's sort of like, like everything else around us didn't matter. It was only this. Like we were like all of us, like silence and we saw these things. And after that, when it skipped and it disappeared, all of us were like, oh my God, what is this? And the crazy thing about it is the way I saw it and the way my friends saw it. It was different because there's no point of reference. I saw something that I, there was no wings, there was no, like it was no noise, but we're

inside of a car, but I remember seeing an interview of, I think it was Rashad or Ali Abdelaziz, talking about that thing. Like around 2010, I'm in Al-Cricki, New Mexico, and I'm with GSP, Ali Abdelaziz, who's now like the manager of mostly a lot of UFC fighters. And we're right on the highway. The traffic is starting to slow down. It slows down to like almost a crawl. And we're like, why is everybody stopping?

Why is everybody stopping? And then we start to look and see where everybody is looking. And then we roll down the windows and we look out and we just see like this, I mean, UFO because of the way it was moving. It just didn't see. I mean, it was that typical UFO movement where it was like moving and then it like was stop and like defying gravity for a bit. And then it just stayed there for a second. And, you know, the light, the light pattern was weird as well too. And as everybody sitting there watching it,

it then just like shot off. And the time that it lasts and it didn't correspond to exactly what I saw. So I was thinking, if I talk about it publicly, I'm going to look like a liar because they don't describe the same thing. They all have their different description of what they've seen. I remember, I think it was, one of them said it was like almost a minute.

And for me, it was only maybe 10, 15 seconds, if I remember. So we all have a different experience from that moment. So fast forward a few years. Now I'm in Washington, so I'm like, you know what, I'm going to ask a big question. So I told

the lady in front of me, And as I'm talking to her, the entire table stopped talking. All the attention turned on me. So I told her what I saw. And I ask her, I say, you know, I just want to ask you. I, am I crazy? Or are we, did we all collectively became crazy for a few seconds and saw something like an illusion? Or is there something out there that are not?

you know, are not, are not huss, you know. Yeah, yeah. And she told me, you're not crazy. There's something out there. I was like, boom. Like, oh, my God. And these are the people that, that knows. Right.

You know, like, because they're, you know, that's what they do, you know. Like, if someone would know what that, it's those, those guys. What was the, what was the atmosphere after that? Man, I'm not going to lie. I, I, that we, since that weekend, I mean, I mean, now I sleep good, but the next few days after that weekend, it got me thinking so much, I had a hard time sleeping at night

because these are the sort of question that keep me up at night. Yeah. And I talk to, you know, a lot of these guys, you know, I ask them a lot of questions, and man, this is insane. It is so crazy that I would be very reluctant to publicly. And it's not me.

It's them, a lot of them, what they told me, and a lot of stuff that I've read or... like seen as conspiracy theory, but what they told me fit what I've read. And I'm like, that can't be true. Wow. I would be very reluctant to go publicly and talk about what I've read

and what they told me because he will attack my credibility. People will roll their eyes. GSP just lost his mind. He's brain damaged. this is no way, but, but I mean, it's just crazy. And I know, I know you dive deep into these stuff, so you can understand a little bit, you know? This is pretty insane. It is. And it's, it's one of those things that like, when you say it out loud, you know, you're like, God,

that sounds just absolutely made up. Like, it sounds like science fiction. Yeah. But the, you know, truth I've found in my research is often much stranger than fiction. And that's something that more I look into it, the more that's becoming true. And one of the things is like, first of all, like the fact that you're even just talking about this and being open about it, I think is really healthy. I don't like, maybe 10 years ago, this would have been considered a really touchy podcast to do. But I think in today's landscape isn't that surprising to a lot of people. They're kind of like, well, it's good. It's good that more people are understanding because I do believe that in 10 years time, maybe even less.

that if you don't believe that there's something going on, you're the conspiracy theorist. I think that more people are kind of coming around to this idea that, okay, all right, we're being visited or they're already here or something. Yeah. And another thing that I think I consider this very important is, you know, because of what's going on in the world, there's a lot of wars, there's a lot.

And I feel that if we found out that we're not alone, it will kind of united us. We will stop fighting over some stupid differences. You know what I mean? And we'll get together better. And there's a lot of things that could change the entire world. The energy thing, you know, like if this thing is true, this technology is true, this can be used for the benefits of mankind, you know what I mean?

And man, it can change your world. And for me, I'm, I think it would be important to have a, maybe not a full disclosure on this thing, but at least more disclosure on the matter. Because it will be beneficial to the world. Yeah. Great point. You know, something you just said there too is like not full disclosure. And I agree with that. I think most people who are familiar enough with the topic also agree with that that there needs to be, we just need to get it out of the way that this,

this is real. Yeah. Like just that. Let's just get past that barrier right now because we're so slowly approaching it. And what's happening is that more things are coming out faster than we're able to disclose it. Right. And so there needs to be like we need to just bridge that gap and say, hey, these things are real. This is happening.

We are being visited. We're not alone. Start there. You know, Chris, most people, like if you talk to most people are not even aware that You know, you say UAPs, there's things that flies, and not only flies that goes under the water that are picked up by a very sensitive military instrument, and they don't know what it is. I mean, it's been disclosed. It's been declassified since I think it's 2017. It was an article in the New York Post, but most people are not aware of that.

Most people still think it's not true. Like, I mean, you can research it. It's true. it's been out, the cat is out of the box, so to speak. But most people are not aware of it. And I don't understand why the media don't talk more about it. I mean, it's one of the, I mean, are we alone?

Are we, like, even if we don't have the evidence to really know if we're alone or not, but this is very important. I mean, you have a certain object that flies over a sensitive military instillating. and are picked up by by an instrument. I mean, man, it's something to talk about. And nobody talks about it. I'm like, you have to dig in to find out about it. Yeah, that's true.

It's crazy to me. It's, uh, it's, it's important. Very important. It's arguably, the implication of it. It's huge. Yeah, the most important thing. It's, you know, and this, this is interesting because it also ties into, you know, a lot of the other stuff that, that, that you're interested in.

And, you know, ancient civilizations, you know, this sort of idea of, you know, maybe this cyclical civilization thing happening, perhaps, or like our lost technology that we might have had because you've been traveling the world recently. Yeah. Doing side quests, which is pretty cool. You know, you did your homework, you know, you know. Yeah, because, I mean, you've been, you know, you did the main quest, you know. greatest pound for pound fighter UFC champion. You've done all these amazing things. And I think, you know, it's kind of cool to see what you're doing now because you're like, man, I did all this stuff.

Now what? Right. What next? And now you're looking deeper. Now you're like, well, what's the meaning? Where do we come from? What's happening? And you're going to places like Balbeck, Egypt and all these amazing places.

So what kind of fuels that quest? Uh, knowledge. And, um, I know that a lot of these archeological sites, it's still an enigma, you know, they, they, they have a rough idea of when it was built and how it was built. But there's a lot of mysteries surrounding it. And if someone says that you know, they know everything, that that's not true. And we can add in Washington, too, one thing they confirmed to me is that, and I knew that before, but they just told me that is that a lot of the ancient texts, a lot of the religious texts that we read

and a lot of the ancient texts that talks about angelic beings, flying chariot and stuff like that are probably account of UAP, UFO. UAPs and things that they, but they didn't say flying sorcerer or spaceship because it was outside of their vocabulary. It was outside of their frame of reference. So they couldn't, the way they, they, they describe it. It was the way they, they use word that they, they knew to describe it.

Yeah, chariots of fire. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Shields, a lot of people said drums. Angelic beings and, you know, things like that. Well, there was one actually that said earthenware was the, was the, an earthenware is literally a plate, you know, so when you think of saucer, their word was earthenware. So like flying Earth, and you're like, well, that's a flying saucer.

And, you know, Jacques Valet. Are you familiar with Jacques Valour? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he's like, just like the goat when it comes to looking at that ancient stuff because he looks in weird obscure references like fairies and goblins or whatever it is, right? And he'll find stories where there's missing time where people have been, you know, taken, transported. And they're describing, like you said, a lot of the same things, but they just didn't have the vocabulary. Exactly.

it's fascinating to me because a lot of it is subject to interpretation so it's hard to differentiate what is it you know what I mean like in a lot of religious texts for example it's subject to interpretation

and one of the reason why there is for example in Christianity they're the Catholic the Protestant the Adventists because they have a different interpretation of what it is and you can make a case for a lot of these ancient texts to be an account of, you know, of something... A close encounter, yeah, exactly, exactly.

That could be an interpretation as well. I think so, and I think that's a valid thing and that we're discovering that more and more. You know, you have like cherries to the gods or whatever. And, you know, Diana Posulka as well puts out a lot of work. She's a theologian or studies theology. and has found that like UFO is kind of like the new religion, where we're following the same symptoms as a new religious coming.

Like when Christianity was coming to be, it was very rebellious. You know, the Romans were pushing against it. You would get, you would get killed, you know, for following the word of Christ. And until the revolution was so big that it became the thing, right? And that revolution, when that happened, there was a lot of sightings. There was a lot of angels coming down with messages, prophetic images, all of these things. And if you look at now, that's kind of happening as well. We have some characters out there that are also getting these images or that are getting these sightings on command.

And so, yeah, if you were to take these texts and bring them back 2,000 years, they would almost be identical. Yeah. And so, yeah, it does leave you questioning, does, is UFO and uphology and this, is this the new religion? Are aliens the new angels? Not just are aliens the old angels. Are they how, are we going to worship aliens? That's right, because before they used to believe in spirit of the forest, whatever it is. Now they became maybe religion.

Now it was gods. And now we're not, not everyone, but a lot of people don't believe so much in religion anymore. So if they try to make sense of it, they will say it's maybe coming from another planet. We don't know what is their truth. It's crazy. But there's certainly something going on. There's certainly a phenomenon that it's hard to explain. Yeah.

Yeah. And for anyone who hasn't had like a sighting, I've had some multiple sightings in my life that I can't explain. I can't tell you for sure if they were UFOs or extraterrestrials. But I can tell you for me at the time, it felt like it was. You know, so that feeling I know, I understand that feeling. And when you experience something, it kind of shakes your foundation. You know, you kind of, that's the starting point where you're like, okay, hold on. Like, you didn't see what I saw.

You didn't feel what I felt. You know, and that's very personal. We create it. I'm, like, from what I saw, I'm easy to be discredited because I'm not an astrophysicist. And a lot of people will say, yeah, you don't have the knowledge, the credit. ability, the competency to say that

what you saw it was an end of the firefighting object because maybe it was Venus that, you know, or, I don't know, a storm gas. Yeah,

swamp gas or an asteroid that bounced back or a satellite that fall off. I mean, I've seen something that changed direction and it skipped.

I mean, it's... Yeah. I mean, if it's Venus or something that could be explained, I will be like very, very, very, very, very surprised. And the fact that all of us saw it in a different way was like, man, I don't know what to make of it. Have you ever spoken to any of them afterwards about it?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. All the time. Like, we talk about it. And a lot of them, like, I'm sure they're like me, they're a little bit shy to talk about it, but I think it's important. I think it's, I think, yeah, it could attack our credibility a little bit, but it is important. Yeah. Because I'm sure there's a lot of people that have seen stuff. stuff that are shy to talk about it because they're going to be like seen as crazy. Yeah. Especially when you're, you spend a lot of your life in, in a full contact sport. A lot of people will say, oh, he's brain damage.

But now how do you explain that the five, that the five of us see something? I mean, collectively, it's, it's kind of crazy. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't think, I don't think that that's the case so much anymore. I think maybe again, like 10 years ago, prior to 2017, I think that that might have been the case where it's like, oh, who are these guys? They're just crazy. They're conspiracy theorists. But I think now we're in a really new landscape where talking about it isn't so. Sure, there are some people, but I really do think that most of the people that matter in this

subject and who are trying to push this forward. I mean, we're all in agreement here that that something's going on. And what you described, too, which is really interesting, the skipping part. I want to talk about that for a second. Yeah. Because this is also something mentioned by Bob Lazar. And you had an opportunity to meet Bob. Yeah. Did you bring this up to him? I did. I met Bob and for people are not aware,

Bob is, he claims that he worked on a secret project in Area 51 in a place called S4 in a secret base. And he work on trying to back engineer an object that is not from this world. That's what that's his claim. And I've talked to him, I don't have any certainty, but I believe that he believes that he tells me the truth. That's what I believe. Same as Louis Lizando, so, you know, I'm not perfect. I've been fooled before, but when I talk to them,

I trust them that what they're saying to me is what they believe to be true. You got a good read. Yes. And Bob was explaining to me then. And he used to describe these flying disc a long time ago, like more than, like, maybe almost 40 years. It's been like, like, when he came out. Yeah, 30, yeah. 35, like, yeah.

Almost 40 years. And he used, the way he used to describe them, if I may, let's say it's a disc. It was describing them at when they fly locally, they go like this. But when they have to, whatever, return from where they're from, they point their belly and, And the reason why they skip is because of the distortion and space and time. So that's from our perspective. We've seen the object skipping, but from maybe perhaps there's perspective inside,

they don't skip. Maybe they go. So I don't know because I never experienced it being inside these things. But that's how we explain it. And I found it fascinating. Then when I talk to him, he explained that to me. And it made more sense, you know. And I always been very curious about also consciousness.

What is consciousness? Because we cannot even defy what is consciousness. Really, just people will say, oh, it's your soul. Scientists or atheists will say, oh, it's the chemistry of your brain, you know. And the argument that will be like, oh, you say you're a good or a bad person, but let's say you get in a, you know, I, you get in a, in a car. crash, boom, and you wake up from a coma, maybe you won't be the same person anymore. So that's their argument.

They say, because your brain, the chemistry of your brain is affected. So we're, you know, in a way, we're all, there's no soul. It's only matter. It's only material. And that's one of the question that keeps me up at night. Are we, you know, do we have sort of a soul or are we only material? Are we more than our physical body? And one guy that made me change my mind on it is a friend of mine is Lex Friedman.

He had a podcast. And he works in AI robotic. And one day I asked him, I said, because I used to believe about determinism. I used to think that there's no such thing as free will, that everything is, you know, come from a cause, the causality. We have the illusion of free will, but everything is predetermined. And by definition, if there's a cause, there's no free will because a free will is something you do spontaneously without cause.

So I ask Lex, because if someone knows it's him, he works with robot and, you know, I ask him, I say, hey, do you believe in free will or determinism? He said, and he said something to me that changed my way of thinking because he's so smart and educated, you know, when you talk to guys like him or, you know, even Elon Musk, I had a chance to talk to him as like, these guys, they make they make me think for

freaking months and years after I've talked to, I have to process what they tell me. And he says, George, we don't even know what is consciousness. Therefore, we cannot know if there's free will or determinism or boat.

We don't know. So even him, he doesn't, you know, That's the right answer. That's the right answer. You know what I mean? When you don't, until you don't know, you have to remain like this. So I've always been fascinated about that. And that's why during COVID, after I retired, I decided to go on a journey.

I decide to do ayahuasca. And I never talked about it because as an athlete, I was always anti-Ira. anti-drugs, because for me, in martial arts, one of the value is respect and, you know, if you're respectful, you're going to fight fear.

You're not going to use performance-enancing drugs. So I never wanted to use drug. I waited after I retired to do that experience, but I always wanted to do it because I always, I'm very curious about consciousness. You know, we all have dreams sometimes that we can remember, but what does it mean?

because we're sleeping and we have dreams that seem so real. So what it is? Like, is it the only imagination, material from our brain? Like, circuitry or there's really something. So I decided to do an adventure, ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca is a psychedelic, very strong psychedelic. Extremely strong, yeah. And I never take drug and never snore cocaine or did anything else. I have tried marijuana before, but it's not really my thing, it makes me paranoia. I have drink, but I never did that.

So I start from zero to 100 kilometers per hour. And I got in touch with this guy because for a reason, I'm not allowed to say who it is and where it is. But so one night I decided to do that. And because of my name, I don't want to be, you know, when I did it, I was kind of scared. I decided to bring a friend of mine who was my bodyguard. His name is Eddie. He's a friend of mine. And I decided to bring him with me alone just in case something happened.

Because people will laugh at it, but I'm afraid I've never done drug before. So I told him to say, if something happened, bring me to the hospital right away. Best thing to do probably. Yeah. So I was alone when I did it. I was with him and the shaman and one of his apprentice and had a friend with me that I've done ayahuasca before that did it with me. That's it.

Because normally when you do that, you have a room with maybe six, eight people, but I didn't want to do because I wanted to be private. So when I first started, I took it's a cup and it's made of, I think it's made of leaf. And it's a mixture of natural ingredient

that come from the Amazon and it had been boiled. So you take it And what I did is I took it and I lay down on a mat And I'm in the basement of a house And I didn't do it in South America I did it here So when I when it started after a few minutes I start leaving my body I start levitating and going towards the ceiling

And when that happened is I felt like I sort of lost cars So I kind of resisted and I came back into myself and for the next maybe 20, 30 minutes, nothing happened. And now I then I start thinking. I was like, shit, I might have ruined my entire adventure. And it made me sad a little bit. Then the shaman came to see me. He's like, are you okay, George?

I'm like, I explained to him like, yeah, I resisted. I left my body, but I kind of resisted because I didn't like. the sensation of losing control and he looked at me it's like george you have to let yourself go and for me it's hard it's something i never done you know i always like to be in control because you know where i my background in mixed martial art you have to be in control and control all the data in order to to to maximize your chance of winning you know in a fight but now i have to let go to to rely on something that i never you know i never done and let it go so he says to me as i let it go I'm like, okay, can I take some more?

You can take more as long as you feel good and I see that you're good. I'm like, all right. So I take another cup, another cup. And I lay down again. And then I left the, I'm not leaving my body going up like this. I'm leaving it going up like this,

looking down. You're seeing yourself? Yeah. I'm seeing myself, but I'm seeing myself and I'm still aware, I'm still aware that I'm in the bed. It's like I'm in two places in the same time and I'm not alone. There's something that sort of lift me up. And can I use, I'm going to draw it to you so you can.

So this thing that that I see, appears to me under this, this shape. It's called a keyhole shape, they call it. Oh. No eyes. No eyes. No mouth. No, like this shape.

What color? Was it black? Was it like see-through? It was no color. Like it was just translucent. Like, it's not like I could see it with my eyes. I was seeing it inside my head. Right.

You were perceiving. And it was communicating with me, not like, like I'm talking to, hi, how are you? Like in my head, like an air drop, you know, like, and juke and everything he was thinking I was receiving and everything I was, he was thinking I was receiving. So he was like a connection, you know. And as I'm going up, I see myself, I even see my friend. He was texting someone. and I told him, I'm like, I know you were, after the adventure, I told him, I said, you were texting this person. And he said, how did you know? I went over your shoulder, man, I saw it.

And I'm lifting. I'm lifting. I'm lifting. And I go through the ceiling. I see the house. And I'm like, and to the opposite of what happened a few minutes before, the first time when I didn't want to lose control, now I feel very confident because this thing is carrying me. and I feel like the best feeling in the world. Safe. Safe, love, successful, confident. Like, I feel like the, I'm in the up top. Emotionally, like, I feel like I'm, like, the best feeling in the world. Not, not physically, like, high, like, but mentally, like, man, feel like in perfect harmony.

And as I'm going up, I'm like, who are you? You know, who are you? And it says, I'm you. and everybody in the same time, and the air you breathe and the water you drink. And it didn't say that it threw my mind. And as I'm going up, I see the town where I am. I see the, you know, the planet.

Then it made me understand that it says to me like, I know why you're here, you're curious to know about what is consciousness and I'm going to show it to you. You know, I'm going to show you what is consciousness. And then I see the map, the planet, the solar system. It's like I'm going out. Like I zoom out, you know, from where I was.

And I see the entire thing. And I see the galaxies, the universe, the different universe, the different dimension. To the point that at one point, I'm like, I couldn't explain it. It's too much. Okay, it's too much. I can't take it anymore. It's like, please, I don't want to know more. I just can't take it.

And it was very weird. I'm the one who sort of tell him. And the whole time this thing is with me, sort of guiding me. And I'm like, because I'm in a great, I'm in a feeling of harmony and I'm telling it. I'm like, is it only for this adventure? Will you leave me after this?

Or he's like, no, I'm going to be always with you. And when things doesn't go well, close your eyes. remember me. I was always going to be there even after this adventure ends. I'm always there with you. And I'm like, okay. And then it, it sort of says to me, it's like, now that you, you, you found, you know what, what you came for. I would like you to, I would like to share something with you. There is a lot of time that you do things that you don't realize that you hurt people. And I'm like, okay. And it's like, Like, I'm going to show you things. But after you've seen it, it's up to you to make the effort to change.

Because I cannot make the effort for you. You have to make the effort if you want to change and become better. I'm like, okay. And then it starts going into some of my past. Your memories. On my memory. But not like memory. Like I was reliving certain memory that I push so deep inside of me.

didn't want to remember and stuff from my childhood so stuff that are so personal that I that even I cannot talk about but stuff also that that stuff that I've done certain things that I've done to people like like like like stuff that have been done to me but also stuff that I've said have done that I didn't realize at that time how much I hurt certain people and I didn't mean to hurt them but it made me this thing made me sort of go through

the perspective of the person that I was hurting and live the emotion of that person live when I did that and and and um I lived it live it and I now I understand

and I like shit I really hurt that person you know, when I did this. And like a mirror, like if I would have done it to myself. And I felt the emotion running through. And now I realize, I'm like, shit. I'm like, I feel bad. I've done this.

And I didn't even realize that I hurt. I heard that person. And you're so caught up with what you do. You know, you only focus on, you know, for me when I was young, the most important thing was, you know, to be the strongest man in the world. And all my focus was on that. I did was about to be champion, you know, and

that's what it was. You know, the other thing around, I was seeing it not only as a distraction because I had great, great times. You know, a lot of the people have met, I really generally love those certain people and I love

them, but they because my focus was not on prioritizing them and more prioritizing my my goal, I heard them in the process. And I didn't not realize that. And this adventure made me realize that.

And man, it was crazy. And a lot of things, that's just one example. But a lot of things like this, I relive through my mind. It made me realize that sometimes I've said stuff in other situation to other people and I hurt them. It made me very sensitive about stuff that I've done. And I was like, shit, I really did that. And I didn't realize at the time how I heard,

how much I hurt certain people. And now I do. And even after my adventure was done, I call certain people and I apologize to them. I say, sorry, I know I did this, I did that. Amen, I did it. You know, like certain people that I noticed that I heard. And they've, I thought they would have found it weird that I called them.

But a lot of them, they were like, oh, I, they're like, oh, thank you very much. I mean, you come a long way and I appreciate you realize and I'm, you know, it means a lot. And it sort of made peace. I made peace with it and it felt great. And that was one part of the adventure. And at the end, because it lasts about four hours, you know, it's a strong drugs. They call it medicine, but it's really a drug. Yeah.

And towards the end, this thing, again, I always pointed out because I want people to see. It says to me, it's like, now, George, I know you hold a lot of grudge, a lot of anger. You know, you grew up with a lot of anger and you didn't let it out. It served you for what you did for your fighting, but now you have to learn how to let it go. And when I did this adventure, I was always contemplating. an opportunity maybe to make a comeback or because I still had that thing inside of me. So it says to me is like, now you're going to have to do like a detox and it will manifest

physically. And I'm like, okay, you have to release all the negative emotion and it will manifest physically. Are you ready? I'm like, yes, I'm ready. And it says like, if you need my help, I always be there. So I said, okay, and I'm ready. And then I went to the bathroom.

And that day, before you do ayahuasca, they advised you to not eat. Yeah. To not eat anything. You know, if you eat very light, and I didn't eat that day, I fasted. So I go on the bathroom because I start feeling a little bit sort of sick

and I have a bucket. And I told you early on in my adventure, I had the hot top in terms of, emotion, I felt very good, but now, my friend, I dive down deep to the point that I have nothing to live for.

And I'm a very happy person in life. And, but now, man, like nothing to live for. Like, basically I want to die. And I start having very negative thought and it manifests physically. It comes out,

I'm on the bathroom, in the liquid. It comes out, crying. like like depressed depressed you know like to the point like it's insane and throwing up so and I'm sweating like I'm in a sauna like like like down cry everything sweat like everything comes out and that to the point that I can no longer take it and now I'm thinking about this thing I'm like please I can't take it I can't take it and it comes back to me lift me up like a little bit like I'm drowning and I cannot breathe and they lift me up like take a few in hell okay okay are ready to to dive back into it

george you have to you have to let it go let it go like you have to clean it up i'm like okay i'm ready i'm ready okay go back and then i cry and then when i can no longer take it up it comes back it it lift me back up okay take it take a break take a break but we have to go back it's almost done And I'm okay, okay, okay, I'm doing it again. Okay, go. Like a few times. It lasted for about 20 minutes. Wow.

And even my friend who was outside, he knocked at the bathroom. And the whole time I was conscious that I was in two places and the same time. I was on the toilet, but I was also somewhere else like doing like a purge. And he knocked at the bathroom. He said, George, you, okay? He said, I'm all right, man. I'm all right. Thank you.

Thank you. Things go well. I just need to let it go. He's like, okay, if something happened, let me know. we break the door and we come get you. And I'm like, no, no, I'm okay, I'm okay. So I was able to talk to drink that adventure. To the point that when it was done,

I took a shower, I changed my clothes. Man, I felt so light. It was just like a relief. It felt so good physically and mentally. And I have no... evidence to prove you that yes, I really did lift my body, I went somewhere outside that, the experience that I live in my mind, maybe I really did it, or maybe I was so freaking high that I think that I did it. I think I went to people's head and I had like a mirror

emotion experience. I made it all up because I thought, I can't tell you. But I'm under, living the adventure that I lived I'm under the impression that a strong impression that there is something to consciousness that is not only measured by materialism now I

I used to be septic like how do you say agnostic agnostic but now I lean more towards a believer no no I know I'm really I'm really convinced that there is something And a lot of my friends that are eight years that I told them that they say,

oh, you were just so fucking high, you know, like, yeah, maybe, maybe I was. But it shake me to my core so much that I think there is something, you know. And it's, and I think it's a beautiful experience. I don't encourage people to take it because it's a drug. And I did it once and I don't have the desire to do it again because I love my brain. and I don't want to damage it, but I'm happy I've done it. I'm very happy I've done it

because it's an experience that changes my life. Wow, George. Thank you for sharing that. No, it's something that I never talk publicly about it, but it's something that really changes me. And I'm very happy I've done it. It's crazy. It is crazy.

And if some people, sometimes they wonder, should I do it or not, you have to listen to yourself. Don't force yourself. If you force yourself, it's not going to be good. You need to do it because if you're ready to do it, you have to let it go and you have to treat that with respect.

You know, it's a, I know it was used heavily by ancient culture in a way to perhaps communicating with something or to get deep inside your own consciousness. But it's really something that you need to treat with respect. And it's not a recreational drug. It is absolutely not. And it's an experience I've done. And I'm very happy I've done it.

And yeah, it changes me. That is really, really profound. That sounds like, you know, a lot of people, we talked a little bit before this podcast about, you know, my experience, not a DMT. And I had a lot of people say, you know, you should, after my out-of-body experiences, and I had like half a dozen of these where I'd leave my body through meditation.

And, you know, a lot of people were like, you should do eyewash or you should do DMT. And so I did DMT, albeit my experience was nowhere near as, like, profound as yours. There was the same element of phasing out of your body and kind of like lifting out. And I felt a very familiar sense to that. And so for me, it was very validating because like you, through my experiences, I was changed. I was also, I grew up Catholic. I became atheist. Move towards agnosticism because I started being like, I don't care.

There's some, I don't know, maybe there's something, maybe there isn't, I don't know. And then through these experiences of seeing my own self, I'm convinced that I'm more than my physical body. Yeah. And like you said, like there's no hard evidence anywhere, but the hardest evidence, I, like, I don't need. I just, there's a knowing now that I can't ignore. There's one thing that is very important to mention. Because sometimes, like you read René Descartes. He says, like, let's say you put a straw in a glass of water, you see the straw bending.

so your senses can fool you. If they can fool you once, they can fool you twice or forever. So because of that, for me, it was very important that I was like, how do I know this experience is real after when I'm done? So I asked this thing, I asked it, I say, how would I know?

And it says to me, I will give you a gift that only you will know. And I didn't realize what it was the gift. But now I know. I used to be scared of height, like crazy scared of height. I've done stuff in my life that require me to step over my fear, to challenge my fear like skydiving or, you know, even when I was in Singapore, I did some climbing under a bridge.

I was terrified. I'm always been terrified of height. I know when I changed, you know, when the leaf in your, when, in spring when you have to go on top of your house for the gutters. The gutters, clean the leaf. I'm terrified of doing it. I'm freaking hated.

I'm like, I feel the feeling like I'm about to fall. Like, even when I go up in a building, I look down. I feel like it shake me to my core. But now I know since my experience, I don't have that feeling anymore. Whoa. Yeah, so it's true. So that's like a personal. Yeah, it's crazy.

Like a personal confirmation that what I live is real. So there's an argument to counter that. They would say, oh, the drug you took, maybe break your brain, break that part of your brain that gives you the fear. Maybe it's the drug that's done it. Maybe. Or maybe it's really this thing that gave me it. I don't know.

But I know for a fact that now, when I go on, for example, in height, I'm aware of the danger, but I'm not paralyzed and stiff. I'm not like I used to be before. Right. I'm more comfortable. But I'm aware it's dangerous, but I'm not. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We say in French, I'm fiji, you know, like I'm frozen, yeah. Frozen, yeah. And this is something that sort of, for me, confirm. That was like a little wink. Yes, because for me, it's important that I have a confirmation that it's deeper. Not only my senses, I've seen something, I hear something, because this could fool you sometime, you know. And it's almost like it knew that.

I'm going to give you something because I know you're still skeptical. It says it to me. Because I asked the question. I said, how would I know if it's real? And it sort of made me understand. It's like, you will have a gift. And I didn't realize what was the gift. And now I know that's the gift.

That's interesting. Or maybe I'm completely insane. I made it all up in my mind. Who knows? Well, you know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. You know, that's the counter argument. But I also counter argue that.

with, you know, why do we associate the physical with the real, right? What if this isn't real? And what if everything else is? Because that seems to be the trend. It seems to be like if we're looking at interdimensional, you know, beings or even the existence, the non-existence of space time, like the way these things operate is like, behaves differently. When we sleep, time behaves differently when our brain shuts down.

It's like, it seems like this. astral or this whatever this space is might be the real. And like, you know, much like the simulation theory. And I don't like that word because it makes, makes us feel like a video game. Yeah. I don't think that's at all it. But this is some type of lower density 3D avatar that we're sort of learning lessons through. So the way that I always see this is that that's the reality.

Okay. This other place is the reality. And there you have instant. manifestation. You can manifest anything. You can go anywhere. Anything just happens instantly. It's so easy. But when you do that, you don't learn anything because everything's too easy. You have it all. So we're put here into these, you know, 3D, into this 3D reality and everything's hard and slow. And we move like through molasses here. And if we want to manifest something, it takes years or months and we have to think of it. We have to really like and move things to make it happen. So it's like a slow motion version of what's

really going on, but this is the only way that we can learn hardship and we can learn lessons that we take back to the reality, right? So when people say, you know, is it real, is it not real? I think what we're asking, like, is it physical or non-physical? And I don't think non-physical means it's not real. I think there are different reels. What I get from my Iowa Sky Adventure also is the fact that I'm under the impression, and that's only me, that consciousness is that linked everything together, that we're all ones in the same time, that we're all different.

You know, in a materialistic world, we'll say, like, let's say I die, you bury me naked underneath the soil. I will stop existing as an entity walking around, but I will not end. I will be transformed. The warms will eat me. perhaps the grass on top of me,

the herbs will grow faster because the organic material. So I will move from that state of walking around to another state of different things. And I'm under the impression that that's what consciousness is about. And it made me, it gave me also the impression that, you know, when someone die, we're all very sad, you know, and it's normal, we're sad. But it gives me the impression that there's something that, you know,

that person died that became part of something else that one day will join, will join it as well to be part of that thing and we're all sort of together. I don't know how to explain. It's a freaking profound experience. And they say, you know, we saw a certain clip online like Rick James. He says, hey, cocaine is a hell of a drug. but like ayahuasco is a hell of a drug, too. So I don't know what to make of it.

Yeah, they should have, yeah, they should definitely make that a, make that a meme instead. They're going to make some meme now, Jayuasco is a hell of a drug. So Joe Rogan Sayers. With Rick James. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's, that seems to be on par with a lot of beliefs. And that's the thing. It's like, this isn't the one thing that I keep understanding.

is that none of this is new, right? And that's the feeling that I got when I was sort of leaving my body as well. The very, I started vibrating before it happened, right? I started getting, and I thought, I, and I documented this. I thought there was a truck on the property. And I was like, how rude that, like, there's this giant truck on the property when we're trying to meditate. Turns out, no, that was me. I, there was a vibration in me. And it wasn't physical, but it felt physical. And when that was happening, like, it was just so strange. And the feeling that I got, the overwhelming, like, the, the overwhelming, like, the. The only way that I can explain it is this is ancient. That's it. Whatever's happening to me right now, I felt tied me, connected me to thousands of years of humans, that this specific moment right now, you know, links me to them. Not, not me researching something, not something I'm eating, not the air, not nothing, this feeling. This is a very human feeling.

Yeah. And this is something that links me to all of that. Like we all have differences over time and knowledge and intelligence, experience, but this we have in common. And that was a really powerful sensation to feel that because it felt true. It felt like, hey, this is true. This is real. And I even told you before the interview, before the podcast, that I would be very interested to go back into that state. But I'm no longer interested to do it using drugs to get there.

I feel it's sort of a shortcut. Yep. And sometimes with shortcut, I feel sometimes it's like giving a gun to a child, you know, or he doesn't have the wisdom to use it. And maybe I did ayahuasca, but I didn't have the wisdom. I didn't work together. I just took something and boom, I get there.

I cheated. You know what I mean? And I feel, I did it once, it was okay, but I'm very interested if there's a way, because I heard monks get there because your brain produced, the empty, if there's a way to get there, naturally, I would really love to learn it. And I know you're trying to, you're going down that rabbit hole,

and I'm really interesting to learn these. When I was young, I, when I was a kid, I used to have experience called sleep paralysis. And that's how they call it. You know, I don't know what if it's, what it is. And that's one of the reason why I first started getting interested by UFO, you know, even before I had the encounter with my four friends that I've seen something in the sky. It started way earlier.

When I was a kid, I used to, you know, I used to. you know, I used to be in bed at night and I used to have nightmares of, you know, of things that came and get me and I used to tell my parent, I'm like, man, I was scared and for a long time, I was terrified. I thought like something came to get me and, and I met, you know, when I met Joe Rogan and he talked to me about a phenomenon called sleep paralysis. He says, like, there's, there's a, there's a, a, a phenomenon that you're in bed and you cannot move and your brain produce DMT and start hallucinating things and that that could be it. And I, but man, it really, it really traumatized me when I was young to the point that even now I'm an adult sometime and I'm in, let's say I'm in bed and I'm alone and I start thinking about it. It makes me remember the fear and it scared me. Even when I'm a grown man and I can't defend myself, it traumatized me to that point. Wow.

And that's one of the reason now I would be very interesting to learn of how I could perhaps get back into that mental state if there's ways to do it naturally. I used to be very septic. I used to learn to hear all those stories. Oh, yeah, this, that, they go. I'm like, yeah, right, right. But now that I did ayahuasca, I know it's possible to do it on drugs. I would love to know how to do it naturally just to perhaps increase my knowledge. and maybe help me be a better person, you know.

Yeah. And that's probably the best intention to go into it with. And that's probably the strongest intention as well, because when you rule out, this is just something in my experience as well. And this has been echoed by a lot of people who study this. But when you rule out the ego part of it, that's when things happen, right? If it's not for monetary gain or it's not for any other purpose. But like, once the ego is out of the equation, that's when you're more receptive.

That's when the intention's sort of pure. and it kind of picks up on that, the phenomenon. It's a very interesting thing that you just mentioned, ego. And that's one of the things at a hard time to let it go in the fighting world. Yeah. It's a very egotistic industry. Everything is about being the alpha, not being scared. Very physical, lower density.

Like everything is. Yeah, 100%. It's a lot of bullying and mental warfare. And you never want to admit that you're. scared even though deep down inside you are because it shows signs of weakness but it's not in a way admitting that you're scared

it showcased that you're strong because you're allowed to talk about your fear and if I'm talking if I'm an open book and I talk about my fear I'm not afraid of you you know what I mean? Because I've shown my most vulnerable part because I'm not I'm confident that I'm better than you so. Yes

yes so Yeah, but the ego, letting go of your ego, that's the ego in the same time, it's your pride. And it is what makes you stand up and being strong towards adversity. But in the same time, it's a double-edged sore. Because if you let it go, it can make you a better person. It'd be more open to people. And, you know. Yeah.

And that's something you've actually talked about. Like, I remember hearing that too. Like admitting you're nervous or admitting that like, yeah, no, I am like going into this fight. You know, you're not like just everyone else where they were like, you know, this is it. I'm going to, you know, there was a certain, but that helped you that like made you a more intelligent fighter as well. You know what happened? Chris, early on in my career, I mean, the way I describe it is we're not all born with the same set of card, you know. we all have different skills. You know, if I would have been born with an end-scap,

I would never be able to be champion. I'm a very athletic person. I always been good in sports, and I develop a passion with martial art early on, watching movies, you know, Jacques-Claude Van Damme and all these guys, Chuck Norris, they really inspire me, Stephen Segal, Arnold Schwarzenegger,

Steven Starron, and I was bullied at school. So I first, first, started karate. I started with Kyokoshen Karate as a self-defense to defend myself in the schoolyard. And then it transformed into a passion because things back then was not well, things were not going well at home. My dad at the time was drinking and things were not going well at school because I was getting bullied instead of focusing on what the teacher was saying, I had to try to think about how I'm going to reach out my locker, picked up my book,

and get to the bus before the guys get to me and beat me up. And that was something that was happening to me on a weekly basis. So I was not happy. I was not good anywhere. I felt bad everywhere. The only place I felt good, it was the dojo. Because I was doing well in karate. I was starting to collect metal.

And that was the only place where I feel like, I'm good here, you know, I'm doing something well. And then later on, later on, my dad did something that really inspire me and brought back my family together when he stopped drinking and it really inspired me. And it changes my life because I saw how hard it was to fight the thirst. And not only that he stopped drinking, he started to mentor younger people that try to stop drinking. I remember at night, sometimes the phone was ringing at 11 at night and was my dad picking up the phone. it was maybe a younger guy. It was like, hey, man, I'm thirsty.

My dad was like, I'm coming. I'm coming to get you. Don't. And he left. So he really inspired me, you know, because I saw how hard it was. And I realized it only later when I was an adult, not really at the time.

It was like sort of a delay. And it really inspired me. But I remember even early on in my career, we talk about ego and pride. When I was looking around, I never fit. I felt I never fit where I was. I loved the purity.

I wanted to be champion. I did it for the right reason. I didn't want to do it because I wanted to be popular with the money because they didn't have any money and popularity back then. I just wanted to be champion. I wanted to be the best. I did it for the pure reason.

And but when I was looking at, around and I was looking at my training partner in my environment I didn't fit in because all the guys I was with they were like yeah I can't wait for Saturday night and I'm like man I'm scared I'm not happy to be here I'm happy to be in the gym to train and to have that lifestyle and I know if I want to continue to have that lifestyle the sacrifice is that I need to fight Saturday night and win the fight in order to do it but I don't enjoy this process I'm not happy to do it I'm happy to to get to have that lifestyle for free, but I'm not happy to go fight. I never liked to fight. So I decided to seek the help of sport psychologists because, man, I felt I never, I didn't fit him. And some sport psychologist tried to brainwash me. They were like, George, stop saying, you're afraid.

You're not afraid. You're excited. And one of them, it was, like, it was, my English used to be very, like, it's still bad, but used to be way worse before. And I was thinking, I was like, is it a language? barrier, excited. Like, I don't think I'm excited. I would be excited in a different situation,

but I'm not excited to go, to know that I'm going to fight Saturday night, not knowing if I will be badly injured or humiliated. I'm afraid. And then I realized that, man, I need to make peace with it. And there is no shame to admit that you're afraid because there's no courage without fear. And when I made peace with that,

it changes everything in my life because I made peace. And I said it to even, in my open. It's like, yeah, I'm scared of you. But no matter what, I'm going freaking walk the walk on Saturday night and there's nothing you can do. And the way you counter fear, whether

you're a fighter, an entrepreneur, whatever, it's with the preparation. The more well you prepare, the more you will build up your confidence. And if you have confidence, remember, confidence is not the absence of fear. It's no

that you have what you need in order to succeed. A good analogy and a good analogy is, if I talk to young student at school, I'm telling you, if you have an exam Friday and you study very hard, yes, you will still be afraid Friday, the day of the exam, but you have the right to be confident,

to walk in there with confidence, even though you're afraid. but if you have not studied, you will be afraid, but you don't have the right to be confident because you know you didn't do the work. You didn't put in the work. And confidence, whether you're a fighter, an entrepreneur,

whatever you do, whether, even in any situation, even if you go ask a girl on a date, confidence, whatever you do, it's the most important thing. One of the most important thing. You need the skills, the preparation, and the confidence. Because if you don't have confidence,

It's a little bit like, it's a good analogy that my, my, my, my, my sense it was saying to me is that if you don't have confidence, it's like someone who has a lot of money in his bank account, but no way of accessing it. You can never reach your full potential. And the way you build confidence is true preparation. And when I made peace with it, I knew I was afraid. I made peace with it. I remember when I was young, I thought the fear will go away over time, that I will get used to it. I will no longer be afraid, but that's not true. It's the opposite.

It gets worse because every fight is bigger than the last one. And it gets worse, but because I made peace with it, I was like, man, I know this is normal. I need to be afraid because I know when I'm afraid, it high-end my reaction time, my reset time. It makes me better. So I embrace fear. I know it's a normal thing.

And if my opponent is like, you're afraid of me, I'm like, yeah, man, I'm afraid of you. but I'm going to fucking do it regardless. And I think from my perspective is way scarier than saying, no, I'm not afraid. Like 99% of the people in my field of work, no, I'm not afraid. I'm going to kick it like, bullshit, man.

You're scared. Or you're scared or you're a psychopath or you're a liar. That's the three possibility. You're lying or you're a psychopath. You know what I mean? I mean, or you're dumb as hell. Because if you're not afraid, that means you don't know the consequences of what can happen. Yeah.

You know? That's true. Yeah. Wow, man. Because you never control the entire data. When you go into a fight or you have to focus on things that you have the power to control. You don't want to focus. And that's the hardest thing to do because there's so many distractions.

You don't want to focus on things you don't control. For example, what the problem is. people going to say, I'm not going to win or lose, what my opponent is going to do? This, it needs to be wiped out of your mind, only focusing on things that you do control, things that I do. Me, as an entity, I don't exist. Am I going to be sick the morning of the fight? Am I sleeping well, and I don't care? It's out of my mind. The only thing that matters is the objective. And the objective is the only thing that matter because that's what's going to lead you to the path of victory and this need to be done at all costs.

That's the spirit, you know, you need to go in. It's, it's hard to think about it, but that's the way, that's the way it is, like a soldier. It's objective, no subjective. But that's such, that's such a big contrast between being there preparing yourself physically, mentally for a physical and mental bout. And on top of that, all the other obstacles that are being thrown. your way, not only like health-wise, but also like, you know, emotionally or personally the things that you're dealing with or like the media and all this stuff, right? It's a big battle.

Going from that. Oh, yeah. To yes. What happened after this, you know, Iowaska trip, which is completely almost like 180 degree. Yeah, the opposite. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like, okay, you've done that. Now forget all that. And you're like, how do I forget all that? That's, you know, that's your identity. That's everything. And you had to. You know, to you had to come to terms with that too. So that must have been just like, I mean, I can even hear you telling the story. And I know that you've, it's changed you. Like if you were, let's say, let's put this scenario.

If you were to somehow have a time machine, right? And go back into the ring. But after having this experience, do you think that would make you a better or worse fighter? It's a good question. I think it would make me worse. I think there's a chronological way to do it. I think you don't want to do this before you finish your career.

Right. And what I'm saying is only from my field of experience, my expertise, my experience, but I know that there's some other professional combat athlete, For example, Deonti Walder mentioned, I believe, that he did Iowa. And he believed that's why his career went down. Oh, wow.

He said it publicly. Wow. And I can understand why. Because that ego thing that we talk about as a fighter is the most important thing. That's what, that's your spine. That's what holds you up against all odds, against all the adversity. It's your ego, your pride. but in society

it could be an obstacle because you know sometimes you an ego you have to let your ego aside it makes you put it putting it down

it makes you a better person I believe and even the people that know me personally says that when I did ayahuasca it really changes me it made me more empathetic

empathetic more in touch with other people I'm by no mean perfect I have a lot of issues and I eat to work on myself. I love that, you know, but I'm a little bit better than I used to be. Yeah, and I can see

that as being a problem, too, going into the ring with empathy. You don't. Feeling bad for hurting your opponent is not something you want to think about. You want to be like I mean, I don't like that. Like a robot. Yeah, like an alpha bull, you know, like, bro, you're here to destroy

and kill everyone. You know, that's how it is. That's how you need to be. But you can't stay like that all your life. And I believe one of the reasons why a lot of athletes in combat sport have a hard time letting it go. And you see a lot of athletes sometimes, they should have retired maybe a decade ago, but they're still out there fighting.

I mean, it's very sad. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very sad. You see that happening all the time. And they hurt themselves. CTE. Oh, CTE physically. They hurt also themselves business-wise.

Yeah. Because when you, you finish on top, for example, for me, yeah, the the best reason the best reason why I stopped is because it's my health. I wanted to finish healthy to have a future,

to be healthy for the rest of my life. But also the second reason is business-wise. When you finish on top, I compare, for example, entertainers or athlete like stock in the market. If you finish on top, you're stuck worth a lot of money.

So there's a lot of opportunity when you retire and you turn around, a lot of business opportunity opens to you. Those opportunities will not be there if you retire on a four loss, four, for losing street because your, your stock will go down. And it's something to think about. So a lot of people, they told me, yeah, you must have, George, you should have keep on fighting. You left a lot of money on the table.

Maybe I left some money on the table, but I think I catch it up on the long run. And on top of that, I didn't damage my help because it's not only the fight. Think about it. When you get ready for a fight, you have to go into a training camp, get hit, and all that, it's even worse than the fight itself and all the stresses that you have. And for me, the stress was the most damageable thing, the stress. I always been very open about it. Like, I was stress.

I was scared. And it took a lot out of me, a lot more than the physical. damage. Oh yeah, yeah, 100%. I develop a condition called ulcer colitis. I believe big part because of that stress. And when, you know, in my last fight with Michael Bispinger, I fought in the Medicine Square Garden. Prior to that fight, a few weeks, I had severe cramps. And when I went to batheum, it was blood and into, and I didn't know what it was. I was like, man, is it a cancer or anything? And I told myself, for whatever it is, I'm going to deal with it after the fight

in a few weeks. So after the fight, I did what they call a colonoscopy. Yep. They put something inside of you. They give you some medication to empty yourself, you know? And it's something that you don't want to do

before the fight. But they put a camera and they went to see inside. I got diagnosed with ulcer colitis. Allsert of colitis, yeah. So I was on severe, I was on medication. But I'm not a big fan of medication. I mean, I always go.

look for alternative ways of how I can get better. And I met a doctor in Toronto that changes my life. His name is Jason Fong. You can research it. Jason Fung, F-U-N-G. He wrote Medi-Book about fasting. And he got me into a fasting program. And believe it or not, a few months after all my symptoms disappeared and I no longer use

medication. Do you think that that also has a lot of. had something to do with the fact that you weren't fighting anymore. It could be. Because the stress, yeah. But both, like, I mean. It could be, but I had other stresses in my life. It could be that, but I believe that the fasting really helped me.

Yep. I believe in fasting, too, by the way. Because it gives time to your system to rejuvenate. You know, if you eat all the time and when I was fighting Michael Bispin, I was on diet that I was forcing myself to eat because I was trying to put on the weight, which was, by the way, a big mistake of my part. I should have just stayed the same weight that I am. But I was trying to put on weight because I was fighting in a weight class heavier than I

normally compete at it. So I was trying to get bigger. But it was, you know, it didn't do me any good because I got sick and everything. But the fact that I put a lot of stress, like mental stress and physical stress, I think that's what trigger that issue. And after when I went to fasting, different fasting protocols, it helped me get rid of all my symptoms. Yeah.

I mean, people need to be aware of the fact that diet can fix 90% of, like, the health issues that are out there right now. Yeah. Maybe even more. I made some research, and I found out that, you know, the reason why we eat three times a day. And sometimes even some people eat more than that, like five times a day,

it's since the industrial revolution. Before that, this did not exist. Since the industrial revolution, because of the work, the laws, they had to make time for eating for the employees. So if you go back, this thing did not really exist. It was since the industrial revolution.

So it's really recent in our evolution that we are conditioned to eat. at that time, think about it. Just logically think about it. Like our Antargetter ancestor, they did not wake up in the morning and have breakfast most of that time because you need to work to get your breakfast. You need to hunt.

You don't get your breakfast for free. In a fridge. Yeah, so exactly. So the fact that you wait in the morning, and that's what I do now, I don't get breakfast in the morning. I eat my eggs and, you know, my coffee a little bit later during the day. And after my first training, and I just wish, Chris, I would have known that before. It would have, it would perhaps not have caused all the arms that I did to my body.

Yeah. But then again, you know, you being on that path is what led you to this. So you might not have, you know. That's true. It's like a feedback loop. You have to go through the hardships to learn, to learn all this stuff. But I mean, it's very, very interesting. myself, so I eat mainly a paleo diet.

I'm like, I'm borderline in ketosis most of the time because of like this paleo diet. I don't eat sugar. No dairy, you know, no pasta. It's strict like a... No processed food. No processed food, none. Oh, interesting. Yeah, just meat, leafy greens and root veggies.

And do you think that helps you to get into that mental meditative? state because I've heard that and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the expert on that. Like, like, apparently you have to be centered. Like you cannot be hungry or sad or or, you know what I mean? Like horny or you have to be, right? Yep, it does help. It does help. And there's been a lot of studies actually.

There's a guy Graham Nichols. He did a lot of research on this too, how actually not. His research was not eating meat, how it induces more sci ability. So more sort of the psychic sort of ability during these out of body experiences and all that stuff that there's been a correlation between like vegetarians and vegans having actually more experiences and more accuracy during these testings. I tend to think that it's it probably isn't the lack of meat. Yeah. My, I guess, hypothesis is it's the lack of processed. chemicals. Correct. Because there's a lot of chemicals and veggies as well. They're everywhere. Yeah. You know, and so it's really, it's difficult to do a diet with that process nowadays because process is just so much cheaper and, you know, people, groceries are getting more expensive. And so it's not easy for everyone to have like a good diet. You know, it's very strange, but like you look at like, okay, the poorest parts in the world. Yes, people are very skinny because they're malnourished and they're not eating. And then you look at like just above that, people have a little money are completely overweight. And then, and then, and then, and

And you have a lot of money, you're back in shape again. And so it's like, you know, like we really do have a system where we're offering a lot of really bad food at low cost, you know. And that's that's been part of the problem. But to your point, there is a certain headspace that you have to be in. But that headspace, I don't think can come at the beginning. I think it takes practice like everything else. Like I don't think you can go into meditating your first time ever. be centered and have like an amazing experience, I think it's just something you have to keep doing because it's different for everyone. The feeling, the meditation itself, calming your mind is very, it depends where you're at and what you've eaten really and all this. So it's a, it's a journey that over time you start to discover what's good for you and how you can actually see very clearly what's going on in your psyche when you get to that point. So if I'm in a meditation and something keeps popping up, something keeps at the beginning, I'd be like, oh, I try to shut that down. I have to shut this down. I have to control. And I have to

like, shut myself up. And after a while, you're just like, okay, come on in. And you look at it and you observe it. And then when you're done with you, you're like, you're good now? Okay, you can leave. And this becomes like through practice, you, you're able to do this much easier. And it becomes like fun. It becomes fun to embrace and sit with your problems and sit with those stresses or those You know, like you said, like if you're, if you're horny or if you're angry. Yeah. And they even say that during the Monroe, the Gateway experience, they even before that, they, you know, they briefed me and they're like, you might get horny during these

things. And I'm like, what do you mean? And they're like, you just, it's energy. It's one of the most primal forms of energy. It's creation energy, right? And so how at first you're like, oh, I'm getting a random boner during my meditation. Yeah. What the hell is going on, right?

And then after a while, you're like, oh, I can. can take that energy and sort of spread it through my body. I can control it. So again, it's not about shutting down all of these things, but it's about rechanneling that energy and much like martial arts. Yeah. You know, if somebody's coming at you, it's using their own energy against them rather than forcing against that energy, which could be damaging for you both. Yeah. It's much easier to take that and roll with it. How do you, why, I mean, I have to be the devil advocate now, why nobody has ever come publicly in a way

to prove that? Like, you know what I mean? Like, that... The out of body experience and stuff? Yeah, not the outer body, but like the, you know, the psionic power. Because it's not proven. Like, like a remote viewing sort of thing.

Like, why, if it's true, there is no strong evidence of, let's say, like, okay, like someone can do it, goes public, like, okay, I bring me anybody that I will be in the room next to that person and know,

I will draw what they draw on the paper or whatever it is. Like, why you think? I mean, because I'm still septic. Yeah. And sometimes I think, you know, when you do these experience, apparently from the lore, you have to take off

your intellect and be more into intuition. But how do you make the difference between intuition and deduction? Yeah. Because when I'm fighting, I don't know what to explain it. If someone is about to throw a punch, I will see it coming. Is it intuition or is it deduction? Because I've seen that pattern so many times so I can identify it before it comes or is

it both? It's a great question. What makes a good athlete an athlete is it is intuition? Because there is guys, for example, John Jones. Yeah. Man, he's a freak of nature. You see him like the way he moves is so beautiful. Dimitrius Johnson.

Is it his intuition or is it deduction that he can... All the great guys in hockey, when Gretzky, you don't even look, he passed the puck. I'm like, man, Michael Jordan. Is there something more than deduction? Of course, some of the theaters, 80s will say the logical ways of thinking. I mean, in our world,

we'll be like, oh, he practices so much that even... He's in a flow stage. But flow, but flow is not really accepted. It's like, oh, he practiced it so much that he knows where the guy is because of the practice, or is it something more like an intuition? That's my question.

And that's one of the thing that could be interesting. You know what I mean? Is there a way to prove it? And why, if there is a way to prove it, why it's never been done before? Or if it was done, is it secret? Now we get into the CIA, like with all the program like Stargate and all that. So, I mean, there's a lot to unpack there because it's, first of all, there is a lot of evidence showing that siability is real. There's a lot of evidence showing that remote viewing is real.

If you look, if you know where to look, the thing is, it isn't pushed on a moment. mainstream level. And most people won't accept it because of the shifting goalposts a lot of times. Okay. For instance, the tests that are being done to prove there's a guy, I mean, there's Dean Radin, there's Rupert Sheldrake, and there's Joseph McMonicle, right? Joe McMonoff, he's a remote viewer, but the people that studied him, there's the doctor that studied him, he's the chief research physicist, Dr. Edwin May. He has 30 years of data spanning over six remote viewers, 30 years of data, right? So he has a clear, and he's a research physicist. So he has a clear line and his line, and normally if you see something over time like this, you see the line

go down, right? Or because it's just like his is a straight line. Like Joe McMonigal, straight all the way through in terms of his testing. What do you mean? The line is the success? Yes, correct. It's a straight line. How come it's not freaking public? That's what it's very frustrating because I want to believe Chris, I really want to. But my freaking logical, the logical part of my brain is like, if there's no evidence, it's not true.

So there is, there is a lot of evidence. There is actually a ton of evidence. There are a lot of books out there too, and I can point you towards those books of studies that are peer reviewed even. Dr. Darrell Bem did amazing studies on precognition. That was proven.

They did this test, I think, 93 times or something. And thousands of people, like, this was a real test. that was done. On a remote viewing, you talk. This was on precognition. I'm sorry. Seeing the future.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Foresee something that did not happen yet. But on a on a minuscule level, right? On a scientific, like, how can we prove this? And a lot of that has to do with what you were saying with like this instinct, right? And so what they would do is they would like flash these images on these people. They had them hooked up to like, you know, EEG machines or whatever they were. And they would flash images somewhere positive and somewhere negative.

Okay, and they would measure the brainwave activity. When the images were negative, they would see a spike in their brainwave functions fractions of a second before the image was shown. Wow. Yes. And they did this over and over and over and over. And is it pure review? Yes, it is peer review. Really?

Yes, absolutely. But it's so minute. Rupert Cheldricks did. to test. And this is well, he wrote a whole book on this. Very fascinating. But it was the connection between dogs and their owners and how some of them seem to have some type of psychic connection. And so the way that they tested this, they had the dogs at home and they gave the person a pager who was out of the home. And at a random time, they would page them to go home. Okay. And they would go home in a different way, not normal way, like not with their car. It would be somebody else's

car or a bike or a bus or something. And they would page. them at a random time during the day. Well, the second they page them, a lot of these dogs would get up off the couch and run to the door. As soon as the intention of the person was to go home, the dogs would come to the door over and over again. Really? And not only that, halfway, halfway to their home, they would page them again to turn back. The dog would go back on the couch or whatever. And so they did this over and over and they found that some of these dogs do have this consciousness connection. and there's something more there. And so it's, it's, it's, it's, it seems to be a field, uh, some type of field.

So it's not a frequency, but some type of instantaneous field where intention is really, really, really, really strong. And, uh, to, you know, to go back to like the instinctive thing, Joe McMonigal talks a lot about that. He thinks, uh, remote viewing or precognition was due to us having to survive. And, uh, you know, a lot of times, where's the water? You'd go see the shaman And the shaman would tell you where the water is

And the most important, the most powerful person in the tribes a lot of times Weren't the strongest. They were the most psychic. According to the lore, When you dive into that sort of rabbit hole, the kids that have autism and problem to communicate verbally

seems to be more prone to develop those abilities. Yeah, like in the telepathy tapes. Yes. It makes sense. From my perspective, I remember when I fight someone, when I'm in, they call it the zone. And once again, I don't,

it could be deduction or intuition. But sometimes I used to sort of know what that guy is going to do. Like I'm in his head and takedowns and, you know, it's hard to explain. Even though I, when I was fighting, I sort of do it. but I don't know if it's by deduction

because I've seen this pattern, but everybody's body's difference or it's intuition sort of. And my question is, which ability is to foresee the future as one? Remote viewing is another one to go somewhere, right? And is there, did they have telepathy, like communication,

or do they have telekinesi? Or what is it exactly proven by pure review in that regard? I mean the, okay, so there is precognition that has been peer reviewed that you can look at. Precognition is the future. Exactly. Okay. But also remote viewing, there's been a lot of case studies, especially with Dr. Edwin May. He put out like volumes, I think two million words he published on the actual tests, giving you the actual test.

What he did, what the results were over time, the wins, the losses, everything. And you have it all there. and sometimes it's just incredible when you look at the data itself. You're like, wait a second. It could be a coincidence. It cannot be a coincidence. I mean not, no, the P value. So statistically, an anomaly.

It's okay. Yeah, statistically, it's in the, it's in the, like, the millions. Like, it doesn't make sense. And this is, this is per your review. It's an undina, how do you say, indeniable? Yeah, undeniable. Deniable, yes. Yes, this is, and the work is available.

I did, you know, a whole deep dive onto this stuff. It is available. But the problem is that when you go towards certain people who are gatekeeping, a lot of the parapsychology, what's happening is that the goalposts are shifting with these people? So if you say to them, what do I need to do to prove to you that remote viewing is real? Okay. They say, okay, make sure the P value, so the statistical value is higher than this. we also want these type of tests done. You say, okay.

So they do those tests and then they present them. And they're like, here you go, here's, and they go, there must be something wrong. There must be something wrong. Do it again. But here, let's make the P value like this. And then they do it. And they keep shifting these and, you know.

And one of the reason why I mean, since I met you, it's not a long, long time ago. It goes like two, like a few weeks. Yeah. That's your fill of expertise. You're in a way, you're a measurement. magician, like a wizard, because that's why you do.

You do the shows. So if someone would know it would be you, I remember I watched, you know, James Randy. He used to debunk. And he used even himself saying, like, hey, I'm a con man, but I will fool you and you will not know that I fool you because you will be fool.

And in the same way, if you would be fake, you would know because that's what you do because of your expertise. Yes. You're used to. And there is a lot of fakeery. Of course. Because that's the magic.

That's the beauty of a magic trick. But that's perhaps one of the reason why a lot of people are septic. They're like, yeah, but I've seen these sort of magic trick. But you, you've seen a lot more than an average person. That's your fill of expertise. You dive into this and you believe in it. So it's kind of crazy for me to believe that you believe in it. Because if someone would know, it would be you.

You know what I mean? You work with the David Copperfield and all these guys. like, man, you cannot, it doesn't get bigger than this. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's not that I went into it believing. That's the other thing. Oh, you did not before? No, of course not. Really? Yes. Of course. That's why I did the whole remote viewing thing. I studied remote viewing for a year. We documented the whole process and we were starting to get results that were really, really accurate. And we're like, man, there is something here. Hold on. And then visiting these people and talking to these physicists and going back to, I met Joe McMonagel. I met Ed Dames. Uri

Geller I spoke with even. You know, I... Urie Geller, he was debunk, I think, by James Randi, but I would like to hear his side of the story because I only hear one side. It's tough with him. Yeah. Because he's also a showman. He does that for living.

Yeah. And, you know, he's always played that blurry between the lines thing. It's like he wouldn't answer questions. Like, oh, we're going to use my spoons. Or like, it was always like some, and magicians know him very well. He's a known magician among magicians. Right. And so we know, I know how to bend spoons, you know, in a way that makes it look like they're bending on their own through illusion, right? Now, the question becomes, you know, when you have somebody who can have those power, or not those power, sorry, someone who's practiced that ability to make it look like they're bending spoons, now tell you, but also there's real spoon bending. You're like, then it kind of like makes, it muddies up the water where you're like, I don't know if I can believe what you're saying now because you're all. showing me tricks and telling me they're real.

But now you're telling me there's real, real. And I'm like, that's something I have to try for myself now because I don't know if I can believe you. I've seen, for example, James Rendey when he went to the church Popov, you know, he was a miracle healer. He was like Miracle Crusade. And he had a mic, you know, and a hairpiece. And he knew by reading the prayer of all the faithful before the mess,

that, oh, I'm sitting in this row, I have a cancer, and he used to be like, Marilyn, sitting in row six, number five, you have like a cancer and I will cure, like, this is insane to use, to use that to, to, I mean, I know placebo effect is a real thing, but you're not going to freaking cure cancer with that, but that makes it look very bad. my question is when is there a moment that you said you were very septic in the beginning is there a moment

that you were like holy shit this thing is real like like me in Washington when they freaking confirm it to me like like there's something going on and it's we cannot explain I don't know what it is but we cannot explain is there a moment that it hit you like it crazy there were several moments it was a slow burn for me because I was very, again, I was very like, okay, I can explain that with coincidence or confirmation bias or like, but then when I started doing it myself, I started getting really close results and they were pretty consistent.

Can you explain for like for me or people that are not aware, like how those experience are made like in which, which context that they're like remote viewing, right? Yeah. How do you perform this sort of thing? If someone wants to try it at home to see if he, you know, if he can do it or... Yeah. You would... So, first of all, like, there's different ways to do it.

The way that we did it was my friend would take an image, a random generated image from the internet. He would fold it up, put it in an envelope, a sealed envelope, and write like a six-digit random number on the envelope.

He would then give me the six-digit number, and I start there. So you mean you see the digit? Yeah, I see the numbers. And the digit is linked to an image that you do not see. Correct.

Okay, okay. Yeah, and so that's all I have. And so you're not trying to decipher what that number is. It just gives you a point of reference non-locally. Okay. To the image. It could be anything. Yeah.

And you have no clue of what it is. No. Correct. Okay. Yeah, no, I don't know. It could be anything from a bumblebee to a bicycle to the CN Tower to somebody playing soccer. Like, it's really anything. Okay.

And you would then, there's like a series. And this was taught, I learned the method that was like kind of taught in the CIA, which is like sort of this controlled remote viewing where you have different stages. So stage one, two, three, four, five, and et cetera. And stage one, you would scribble like this little ideogram. It's like a little scribble. Then you would describe that. And then after that, you would go into descriptors.

And so now we're talking, what do you perceive? So when you're in this calm state, you're just trying to perceive things. So you're calming your mind. And you're like, what do I smell? What do I see? What does it feel like? What's the texture? Is there a sound?

Is there a movement? Is there an energy? Is there a feeling? What's the gestalt? Like, what is this? Is this a feel like an open space? Is this feel like a building or a life form? And you would just kind of like perceive and just go on intuition and just kind of like, and just go and just not even think about it.

Just start drawing stuff. You start writing all these things down first. So you're, you're just describing. Windy, steel, metal, taste of metal. I feel this like fuzzy. Also this warmth and like. You don't write the, you don't do the image. You write words.

Yeah. You're just writing, you're writing descriptions of like what this feels like. And you're going and going, going. And after that, when you're like, okay, now you go into drawing.

Now you're like, okay, and you're not trying to draw something specific. You're just drawing what your perception is. You're kind of like just going with it. Because the last thing you want to do is, we call this AOL, analytical overlay. You don't want,

like if I have yellow, black, fuzzy, buzzing. Now I want to think Bumblebee, right? And that's a bad thing to do. So you don't want to, but automatically your brain will go to Bumblebee. Yeah. And that's an AOL. By deduction.

Exactly. You want that out of the way. So you'll write Bumblebee as an AOL just to kind of like get it out of your mind and keep going. And when you're drawing, it's hard to do. But like what you can. I'm sorry. When you say Bumblebee AOL, you put AOL like next to it to know that is scratch. Exactly.

Okay. Sorry. Yeah. So you would just sometimes just get it out of the way. But other times it would keep coming back. And you're like, okay, it's something there. And it would turn out to be a bumblebee. You know, so it's like hard to really discern what was what.

And then you go into more descriptors after that. And after you're done, you pretty much end your session. You take out the photo and you look at the data and you try to compare. And then you evaluate, we'd give ourselves a score on zero to 10 on how close we were. I don't think I ever gave myself above seven because I'm very much confirmation bias. And I'm like, you know, so we would look at it together. And try to, but sometimes you're like, man, like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. And there wasn't one thing I wrote down that wasn't part of the image, you know?

And then you're like, I could have said like, this could have been anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when that happens over and over, and by the way, while you're doing it, you're like, sometimes like this is like, not while you're doing it, but right after you're done, when you're about to open the envelope, you go, this is so silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to be all wrong. Yeah. I'm going to look like such an idiot when this is opened. and then you open it, you go, oh my God.

And it really shocks you. It's like a magic trick that you did yourself. Wow. And this whole thing, how long it takes, for example, if you want to do the experiment at home with... 20 minutes, maybe. Okay, so everybody can make an ex... And how do you differ, for example,

like, I don't know the exact term in English. You know, when you look at a cloud, it's paradoxia. Yep, paradox. You make something out of the cloud that look like... How do you differ from, for example, the word you... wrote down or sort of, oh, I, but it could have been anything. How do you defer that, like to?

So that's, that's where the confirmation bias comes in. Okay. That's where you have to like sort of like look at things really objectively and be like, is like, okay, that could have been that. That could have been that. But sometimes it's very specific. Perhaps you need to give it to someone that is outside of the experiment and see if he makes a connection, right? Normally that's what they did at SRI during the Stargate project. what would happen, and this is really interesting, too, is a whole study on this as well, because

they don't know whether you're actually perceiving the target or you're perceiving the image of the target. So the image of the target. Yeah. So what they're, what they're thinking is that because time behaves very differently too. And so a lot of these like Stargate people, 90% of their remote viewing things that they did for these like 17 out of the 19 agencies Stargate is the the program. The program by the CIA

that was in the 70s, right? Yep. 70s and 80s. And 17 of the 19 intelligence agencies of the United States used the Stargate program at one point. All right. Some of them came back over 100 times.

There was 505 individual missions done over the 17 out of the 19 agencies with Stargate in 20 years. So we know, and Joint Task Force was one of the big ones, FBI. And so there's a lot of like people using this stuff. The thing is the people doing this, the remote viewers, they would never be getting the target. They would never know because it creates a feedback loop. So they don't know if they did well.

No way. Yeah. Because first of all, it's a top secret mission. So you can't, you can't be briefed on it. No freaking way. And so they would do it. And the only way that they know. knew that it was successful is that this agency came back for a different mission.

No freaking way. Again and again and again. Yeah. Because they know that if even if you see the target 30 years later, right? Yeah. And finally you get to see that remote viewing session you did back in the 70s. Now you've changed it. Now you've created a feedback loop to where were you remote viewing the moment you looked at

the target in the future or were you remote viewing the event, right? So it's a very strange. Are you kidding me? It's very strange because there have been times with Angela Ford, one time they asked her like, hey, okay, here's the target, whatever. She starts drawing like this big drum, sort of like this and this and that, like all these. And she's like, it's a water purification plant. And she's like, here's the diameter. And she's meters of diameter of things.

And everything is like perfectly laid out. And then she goes, yeah, water. And they're like, sorry, no, it's a water park. They're like, close. You got close to water park. And then she's like, something doesn't sit well with me. they started doing research. Well, 50 years before that water park was there, it was a water purification plant. They pulled up a picture. The picture of the water purification plant matched her remote viewing almost one for one in size and everything. You could almost lay it over. That's how close it was. So now they're thinking, okay, did you go back in time and remote view or did you go forward in time and see the picture that we pulled up? Oh, my God.

Very strange. Oh my God. Yes. That's crazy. I mean. So it becomes a, that's a lot of times like, wow. Remote viewers like Joe McMonagel did not want to see the target ever, ever, ever.

Yeah, it will affect. Yeah. Yes. He always said that. Always. He was very stern. Never show me, never tell me anything. They know some of them were very successful.

Like ego swan. Joe McMonnacle is one, I think is he the only one alive now that is from that Stargate, right? From the original? Yeah. And the reason, like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason why they started this program in the first place is because during the Cold War, they found out the Russian were doing it. Because the Russian learned something from the German,

perhaps that they were doing before the, during the second world, before the Second World War. So they want to get that knowledge. And the American, like, hey, they start doing it. We got to do it too, right? Yep, yep, pretty much exactly. the Russians leaked purposely. It was thought information about experiments they did with rats to where they would, they tattooed all these rats and then they tried to predict which rat would die first.

They put them up in mountains and whatever. And it was, it was very, very accurate. But turns out, and Joe McMonagall talks about this, that it was the guy who tattooed the rats that was actually psychic because it was the order that he tattooed them in. And it was very bizarre test. But that's what initially got leaked. But yeah, those psionic type programs existed before Stargate. You know, there was Center Lane, Grill Flame, Sunstreak. These were all psychic programs.

You think it continues still this day? Yes, yes. That's what I've been told. And, wow, do you think, I mean, one of the reason it's not. public, it's because they don't want everybody to know about it because it could be used as a weapon if it's in the wrong hand. If someone becomes very good at it, I mean, it could be like the implication of this is pretty freaking crazy. I mean, imagine, imagine if it turns out to someone can enhance that power and be very good at it. Like, I mean, what's that? What can you do with it?

Yeah. And that is, you can know where the secret base are. I mean, I know, I mean, according to the certain people have been used to locate certain bases and people like other people as well for extraction. I mean, and those people that have done that work, they never knew, for example, for the American, they never knew if their result were good or not or not. Not so sometimes because they would have to like for certain exceptions, but normally no, normally like 95%. And the main reason isn't because of the feedback loop is also a reason, but the main reason was because they were classified projects. So like the CI or let's say, I don't know, joint task force, they would, you know, be trying to intercept the drug cartel coming in through the coast. And the joint task force came back, I think, 141 times with new missions. Wow. Because apparently they were intercepting a lot of drugboats.

Really? Using remote viewers, yeah. That is crazy. I mean, man, I want to believe, Chris. I really want to. And it's just like there's a thing in my brain that bullshit, bullshit. But, man, it's hard to have an argument when you have these results, you know, like when they come back and they ask. I mean, there's a reason why.

But until someone does not use like a stock. Wars, the force. You know what I mean? But even that. I remain a little bit septic. And even if you would do that to me, I would be like, this freaking guy is a wizard. He's got a trick. And there's like a rope connected or it's hard.

And then the same time, I believe, I mean, according to the lore, if you dive into that rabbit hole, I think there's a lot of disinformation campaign surrounding UAPs, psionic stuff, right? I think there is. Definitely, yeah. Because the organization that use these things that works on it, they don't want everybody to have access to it, right? So they perhaps use disinformation campaign to discrete state.

Oh, yeah, yeah. The validity of the one that are real, right? Correct. 100%. You don't want to put that past them. They are the smartest intelligence agencies. You know, they have all the money. The military has all the money.

and they're going right to, you know, out of university, grabbing mental level geniuses and grabbing, like, you know, the best Ivy League intelligence people at a school and recruiting them into these three-letter agencies. So of course, you know, they got the smartest people working on this. And their whole job is to figure out every variable, right?

So, like, every scenario possible. Like, they, I guarantee you they've got probably a dozen doomsday scenarios of what if zombies, you know, like they have everything, right? So for sure, anything we speculate, they've probably thought of. We're not faster than them. Yeah. I mean, talking to Lazar, Louis Lysando and all the guys I've met during my trip in Washington.

One thing a lot of them told me is that everything is very complementalized. So nobody really know the entire picture. I mean, there must be someone. I mean, one thing I've been told is. Like the last president who have been brief on this matter is George Bush Sr. Yeah. Because he was in the head of CIA. But after that, because a president in the United States, for example,

he's the most powerful man on a hurt. People say, is he really? But he come in and goes every four years. Yep. So if they tell him everything, maybe he's going to spill the bean. Like, it's also for a security reason, you know, and like you never know. If he, you know, mental illness, he become crazy.

just say the out of the secret that protect North America or, you know, the United States. Also a plausible deniability. Yeah. So there's a reason they don't tell the president because if something comes out and the president during a press conference, they go, hey, what about UAPs? He has to lie now in front of people, right? So it's better to not tell him because he has plausible deniability. He can say, I didn't know if anything goes wrong. God, man, I want to believe, but, oh, man, it's hard.

It's hard until you don't have the perfect evidence, but I want to believe, man. I really, that's a problem. I want to believe, but that does not make it true, you know, sometimes when you want something to happen, you see it from your perceptions linked everything towards that, but that doesn't mean it's really what is happening. God, I really want to believe. And one guy, I would, I mean, because. of the war and I might be

point out by the finger saying this but fuck it I'm going to say one guy I would like to ask the question and I think one person that would know the most of this answer is maybe Vladimir Putin is in the KGB I think he would know if there's someone

that knows a lot about this stuff that would be him. Yes 100%. And I can promise you if I ever meet him I will ask him the question. I will even if I look like an idiot and, you know, I would freaking do it. And I don't know if I will be able to say what he told me, you know, if I have a chance, man, that would be like,

if I meet someone like him, I would freaking ask him, like, like I would say, can I, can I talk to you for a second one-on-one? I will. Maybe he's not going to say it to me, the truth or maybe he will, thinking that, oh, I'm going to say it to him. Because even if he comes out public, it's like maybe like the guys in Washington, maybe that's the way they were thinking. explaining to me the whole thing.

He's like, oh, if he come out public and say everything that we told him, he's going to hurt his credibility. So he's not going to say it regardless, unless he's a fool, you know? Or maybe it softens the blow. Maybe it's like, oh, let him say it first. Yeah, but, man, I'm not the one who's going to say it. Now are the people going to think I'm brain damage big time if I, you know what I mean? But that's fascinating.

Putin definitely knows, by the way. And so does the president of China as well. And these guys have been in power for too long. The president of China, you think? Oh, absolutely. So Putin, the president of China, is George Bush Sr. still alive, right? I don't think so. Is he?

I'm sorry for my... I don't even know. That's a good question. I'm not sure if... He would maybe know. Is George Bush Sr. still alive? We're both Canadian so we can be forgiven on... No, 2018.

Yeah. You know, Paul Elyer, the former... Defense Minister of Canada. Yeah, came out publicly saying crazy claims. And this is a fact. He says that we're not alone. There's even like... Sixty-three.

Freaking insane. Like, did he loss his mind? Or is he... Does he has strong evidence? Or he says that he... Or is a lot. Man, it's hard to know now. But, man, there's a lot of credible people that came up publicly.

One of the... I think in the Israeli... Yeah, I'm a shed. I'm a shed. Yeah. Like, what is his position? He was the Israeli space, in charge of the Israeli space program. He was the, he's the father of the Israeli space programs.

He put up 13 satellites into space. And he was awarded the highest awards by military and civilian awards for some of his things. And the awards that he got in the military side are classified. We don't know why he got those awards, but he got the awards. We don't know what the awards are for. So he's a credible source. And what did he say exactly? He says that there's a galactic federation.

Yeah. It's like Star Wars, man. Paul Hellier said the same thing. And now, you know, who knows? Because the other thing is, George, that we have to understand is that there are people who are fascinated with this topic that work in the government too, right? So they're human. These people, you know, there are some people who want to believe that are in governments. These people aren't perfect.

So, you know, when I think of like even Stargate, there was general, I'm forgetting his name, he was a stubblebine. And he loved the remote viewing stuff. He was like, you know, but he loved it too much to where they were like, all right, we're going to make you retire now. Because it's like you're going in too deep. You want to believe too much. And now there's this bias. It affect your judgment. So Ha'amashed is friends with Yuri Geller, very close friends, right? So in my head, I instantly, that's a bit of a red flag for me. Even though Yuri Geller some of the claims he has, I believe could be true. I still think that there's this sensationalist ideology that might exist here that might skew a little bit of the information that they're given. And because they're in a position where we would trust them, they

can say anything and now we kind of take it as the word, right? And I think we need to be careful with that too because I think in our government, especially in the Republican side of the government, there's a lot of faith-based culture. Yes. Dangerous. Yeah. And so, you know, when you're talking about NHI and all of this, you know, it gets to a place where some of them want to believe more than others. Yeah. And we just have to be aware of that too. So it's like, yes, on one hand, It's very hard to get clean information. Yeah. Which is why I think the best thing that we can do, you and I and the people watching,

is try these things for ourselves. Try remove viewing. Try out-of-body experiences. Go into a field and try to see E5, a UFO, or, you know, do these experiences yourself. Because no matter what I tell you, no matter how much data I show you or what type of trick I can do for you, it's not going to convince you unless you see it yourself, right? One of the argument that a lot of scientists will say to counter the existence of NHI, non-human intelligence, that would be like, oh, where are the evidence, the cell phone?

I'm like, there's freaking tons of it, bro. There's tons of video that people film the orbs, but all those videos that they're not clear. Like, they're not like, like, if I would film you like this, like they're sort of blurry. Or if you look at the UFO, most of the time you see the S. is sort of blurry and the explanation according to euphologists they would say oh it's because the distortion of space and time

in which these vehicle are you know are functioning with I'm like shit I wanted to be true man I will continue my my quest in the pursuit of truth but

frick man it's it's hard to know it's hard to it's fun it's fun it's a lot of fun But talking to a lot of the people in that field through all these years, I mean, apparently there's two schools of thought. There's a group of people that really wants, they really want full disclosure on that matter because they're concerned. They have kids.

They're concerned about the future. And a lot of the guy in Washington, I've talked, they want full disclosure. And there's another group apparently too that do not want disclosure because a lot of people, they harm a lot of people and they will be accounted for a lot of the pain, a lot of the things they've done. And I hope it's not the case, but maybe we will have to wait until those people that are accounted for the harm they've done passed out before we move to a full disclosure. I don't know, but.

Yeah, like there's the cover up, is covering up the crimes. Yes. Yeah, like a little bit like the JFK. file that soon will be probably public. They say one of the argument I think is Trump's was saying is

he needs to wait that all the people passed out because a lot of harm have been done but you don't want to tarnish the reputation of a living person. He want to wait that it's finished until he I mean, is it true or not? But you also have the families of those people

like the Bush family is still around. I don't know if it's Trump who said it or if it's someone that said it that he said it like that's the consensus on it but is it the same thing with disclosure because if you could be dive into this thing and from i've learned a lot of people got hurt man there's they did a lot of bad stuff to acquire knowledge and control and if the whole thing is real it's freaking dark man yeah dark scary i mean there's a the one thing i always come back to that always like kind of glitches in my head is like the people the people who want to know want everyone to know

and then the people who know want no one to know. So if I take that information, I look at it and I'm like, what is so bad about the information that once you understand what it is, you don't want anyone else to know about it? And that's a scary thought experiment to be like, damn, what could that be? And you know what I keep thinking back to and more and more as this goes on? Is like, do you see three body problem?

No, no. So three body problem is a book that they did. which eventually turned into a Netflix thing. And it's the idea that this civilization that is far away receives a signal. And it's kind of like the loan in the forest theory where like you don't want to make noise in the forest. Because if a predator sees you, he's going to come towards you. Yeah. And that's kind of what happened.

And now they sent us a message saying like, all right, you got 40 years and we'll be there in 40 years. We're on our way. Yeah. And now we've got 40 years to figure this problem out before they get here and advance our test. and like, you know, I mean, it's all science fiction, but who knows? Look, man, there's something attached to this that we, a lot of the people that have studied that phenomenon believe that since the invention and the detonation of the atomic bomb,

a lot of the sensitive military installation, and even a lot of the guys confirmed it. They think that a lot of the sensitive military installation that contain nuclear weapon are monitored by these things and apparently according to report like real report they have the capability

these UAP to shut it off or shot it put it on as they wish to control remotely on and off switch like an on and off switch like these freaking installation

that is fucking crazy man if it turns out to be true I mean the report are there. Yep, the report's there. In Russia and America. Man, that's the thing. In a court of law, this would be enough to be an evidence for it to be true.

But because that subject is so stigmatized, man, it's so crazy. There's even an agreement between Russia and America. Pull this up with Lou, we looked at it. There's an agreement. There's all sorts of agreements. Like, if they start their nuclear thing, like they have to let us know. There's like this whole thing. And on one of the stipulations, it says,

they have to call each other if ever an unidentified object is picked up on radar because they don't want to mistake it for an attack. Oof! So if, and it says for any unidentified objects, like, they have to like pick up the phone and be like, was that you? You know? And they're like, no, there wasn't us. They're like, okay, it was a UFO and like kind of like scratch that off.

So like it's, you know, it's been a problem for them apparently. I would just put it out there. I mean, if there's a disclosure coming up publicly, as a public figure, I'm ready to, you know, say what I know what I mean? Because I don't have, you know, I'm just a freaking former retired. I'm a retired athlete, you know, I'm not an astrophysicist, but to make the subject more volatile for people to bring eyeballs on the subject, I'm ready to, you know what I mean, to help disclosure.

because I think it's important. I think it could change the world for the best. But I'm not ready to go by myself in the front line because, man, I will, if you do that, your credibility, everything will, you will be attacked like freaking crazy. And I still don't know for a fact. Is it, are they, what I've heard and learned, did they mess up with me?

Is it that freaking job? Because people make jokes sometimes or whatever, you know, like it's it's a it's a very interesting thing man and um but i really love to dive into it and it's man i i i really hope and according to a lot of people have talked and i'm sure you did in our living there will be we will have undiable prove that there's something and i just can't wait this this happen maybe even sooner than later i think so um george i have one last thing we're going to we're to do here, well, two last things. I would love for you to sign these books in a second. Of course. And we're going to do some giveaways. One of them's for me and then two of them's

for the audience here. But before we get into that, we have a patron members or members. Of course. We call them interns. Yes. And we let them ask, so I choose three questions. Oh, sure, for sure. And we're going to pull it up here. And give me a second. I have to turn this camera on back here before we get started. All right, thank you. All right. So the first question we have here is a picture, a secret tunnel is his handle and it's going to come up in your research in archaeology

have you found anything resembling giant humanoid Well there's a lot of text that talks about it like the Anunecki the Nephilim even in Christianity

is it true or not I wanted to be true but just because I want it doesn't make it true. It's all about an interpretation. If you look at the Sumerian text, there's different interpretation. There's one interpretation made by Zacharias Sitchin that talks about the Anunaki

that he believes that there was a race of aliens that were giant that engineered us. And, you know, it's in a nutshell. That's what he believes. but he was attacked by a lot of a lot of people, you know, and a lot of people tried to debunk him. And some of the things he said turns out to be, some of the thing he says it's hard to dismiss.

You know, now in the future, like, turns out to be to be real. Like the, I think the asteroid belt and the formation of the Tiamat, Marduk, you know, the, So it's hard to defer what is real, what is not, and what is an interpretation or, I wanted to believe, but yeah, it's a trend amongst certain ancient texts. The interpretation of a certain ancient text that

maybe once upon a time it was like a giant. But I think we need to have our strong evidence. I know there's a lot of things online that says, they found bones of giant, but man, why is it hidden? Yeah, where is that? Yeah, man, why you don't put it out? And there's a conspiracy like, oh, they hide it. I mean, I don't know what.

Well, there's the Afghan giant. Remember that story? Yeah. They're the soldier. Yeah, they all have red hair. I mean. Yeah, they shot down this 13 foot tall, like apparently killed one with a spear. And then they just mowed him down and helicoptered them out.

What was interesting about that? is that, first of all, it happened in modern, like, yeah. And there were a lot of people that came out on like coast to coast a.m. talking about that they've seen it,

you know, which is like military people, which is interesting. But again, like you said, give us a picture, give us something. Give us something,

man. Why there's no freaking strong evidence, you know what I mean? Yeah. No. I don't know what to make of it. I am, I don't want to come.

I don't want to be the first. to go publicly saying, oh, I believe in it or not, because I don't. I think I'm very septic. I entertain the idea of it. It would be cool, but I don't fully believe in it. I mean, it's interesting. I read a lot about it. It's not something that when I say an article about it.

It's not something that I'm like, I'm immediate as bullshit. I like to read it just to amuse me. And then I'm like, it's interesting. I keep it in the back of my head, but I don't fully believe it. And I don't reject it either. I just put it on the side. You know what I mean? That's the healthiest way, I think, to approach a lot of this thing.

And I think a lot of people could learn from that because, you know, being extreme one way or the other is no good. Staying, you know, in a relatively realistic, you know, ideology. I think that's probably. I agree. All right. We have next here, Maverick Star. We talked about this. So this is.

interesting question you actually had mentioned this so I guess we've already answered this but have you ever felt as if you knew what was going to happen in a fight before it did yes sometimes in fights when you're in the zone and being in the zone

is not too much it's not too much being too much focus because if you're too focus you lose how much time there is on the on the clock, you lose what your coach are saying to you because they have a different perspective

and it's important to hear. You lose also because I speak, I speak English, I speak a little bit of Portuguese and in Spanish I can understand sometimes like the basic. Yes, so it's an advantage for me because they don't understand me but I understand them. Wow. So I know when they say, for example,

for example, I'm on the ground, Cotovale, Cotovet is an L. or shafts de brass, like an arm bar. Like, you know, I know when they're calling something, they're going to try something. I know before it comes. So is it because it's deduction? When you're in the states of flow,

you don't want to be, like I said, to focus because you miss those cues. And you don't want to be too distracted because you can get cut with something you don't see coming. You want to be in the flow zone. I don't know if it's because of it. Do you feel it though? Do you feel it?

I feel it, but I have no evidence to prove you it's an intuition more than a deduction. You know, it's interesting because I felt when I'm in that state, the best of that state, it's when my fighter's flight, when I'm the most afraid. Because it triggers something very basic to my core. and maybe it links to the reason why the psionic team apparently they try to recruit

kids that are autism that don't have the ability to speak and that are in a very poor and dangerous environment maybe after a disaster that's why they recruit those maybe that's a case

because I know that when I'm in when I'm scared and it triggers something survival I get into that state better. So that's why when I say I'm not afraid to admit that I'm afraid, it's because I know that my fear will enhance me

and I embrace it. Some people, the fear, it paralyzed them. Me, I'm like, I fucking love it. I don't love it, but I know I need it to be at my best. So I embrace it. That's so sick. That's how you need to think when you go into a fight. I love that.

You need to learn how to control it. That's, I mean, You know, it's really interesting. I could talk about this for like forever. But like during like remote viewing stuff and even psionic stuff, Jake Barber talked about like they would a way to shortcut the psionic is to add trauma. And so to put you in a state of fear.

And so you mentioned that. Really? Yes, absolutely. That could be interesting. His interview with Jesse Michaels. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, he said that the fighter's flight thing. They would induce fear.

They would induce like actively give them drugs. to be more like afraid and like and like and then like play this line. Because that maybe the reptilian part of your brain kicks in and has access to the survival. And sometimes in order to survive, you have to know what's going to happen a second in the future. Right. And so that's kind of like where they're trying to tap into. And in remote viewing, all of the most successful remote viewings happened when it was human life at stake or when there was like a large amount of entropy. big change. So that's why they would have a really easy time finding nukes with this stuff. So it's like,

so it's almost like the universe wants you to survive. And you're, you are the universe. So you're tapping into that to help you survive, help you evolve, help you see forward a little bit, just to give you that edge of probability on that quantum scale. Yeah. To help you get to that next level that you're, that you, that you, that you want to get to, right? So it's very, very small, but I mean, I think, I think, nonetheless, you know. That's a very interesting theory. And I mean, if you believe in that stuff, it makes sense. I mean, I wanted to believe.

And I wanted to be true. And maybe that's one of the reason I was doing so well in my career because maybe you tapped into this. Or maybe it's because by pure hard work and training, I've seen devil's pattern and I was by deduction. Like an AI type of. But maybe it's something else. I don't have the answer.

I've done it, but I don't have the answer. And I wish I could. And I want to learn more about it to, you know, like I told you, like to tap into this thing if it is the case. If it really, if there is something to it. Yeah. I mean, that's the best thing to do, too. Check it out for yourself. Last question here.

And I think this is by... I think I forget... I forget your name. But... I don't think there was enough room on the split flap. It says is information or alternative theories being suppressed in the mainstream archaeology community? I think so. And the reason is let's talk about Gobeck Le Tepe.

It's now they know it's at least like almost, it's 11,600 or, I mean, around 12,000 years ago. before that, before it was discovered, it was to the, to the mine of archaeologists, it was impossible that Antargather could build these sort of things because in their mind, they needed to have agriculture

to settle themselves, to have abundance of food before they can do certain things like this. Like a go beckle-tepe, it's an incredible site, it's a peller's, with carvings of animal, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an alignment of an astronomic alignment that is unbelievable.

They, they, they, the, I think a big part of it is still not, uh, uncovered yet. So we don't know what it is, what, what, what the full thing, the full site look, look like, but from what they have discovered, it changes everything that we knew about our ancestor. So in the mainstream, if you, if, if, all, you, you, if, if, all, you, your life you spend time to follow one narrative and now out of sudden boom the whole thing changes if you link if you attach certain emotional if you if you attach certain emotion to what you read it could be bad because you're attached to those that truth and now that truth is no longer real

and i think a lot of not all but i think certain maybe archaeologists could have an issue um detaching emotionally from an ideology that they've been, they've been fed all their, their, their, their career. And you have to accept the fact that shit, there's something new now we need to change. I mean, I mean, I'm sure, I know that a good archaeologists do that, you know, the one that, they do it, they, they, they go only with facts,

facts, fact, fact check. They attach no emotion because then it's only an idea, you know, if you're if you if you if you if you're been taught something and you teach it and you found out it's wrong it takes a lot of a lot of ego a lot of you have to work on your ego telling hey finally what I taught you is wrong it's we learned recently that this is what happened I mean I mean there's a lot of emotion and and and money link into that that that that story so when something changed the old paradigm, it shaked up a lot of people.

Same thing with Clovis first. In archaeology, before they thought that humans, it was a falseum point. The point of the spirit, they thought human came in only a few thousand years in America. Then they found out, oh, you got pushed back

by the Clovis. Now they know that Clovis first was sort of a doctrine. It was like nobody, yeah, it's impossible. You're never going to, find any older remain of humans before Clovis

because they were no any Clovis. It was like a doctrine, like a grandma and cock talk about it. And they freaking found some that are even older than Clovis. Now they know that there were humans in America before Clovis. And they might find in the future even

older, older, older. So they keep pushing back the date. And it's shaken. it shook the entire theory of how human arrive in North America by the Beering Strait. And at the time, they arrive. Because now what we thought it was turns out to be wrong. It's much older than what we thought.

And the more we dig in, the more we find stuff. And I think it's excited. But for some people, it's frustrating. And I don't think you should attach any, emotion to this. It's just knowledge. Just information. Yeah. And what you know sometimes is can be turned out to be wrong. Same thing in training like stuff that I used to do back then I thought was good. Now I know is wrong and I change it. You know, I don't attach any emotion. I'm not stubborn saying,

oh, I'm continued to do this because I want to improve and then I have to, you know, I have to accept like shit. what I was doing was wrong. So, okay, I stopped doing it and I improve. You know, in sport, that's why people ask me very often, oh, is the fighter todays are better than the one in your time? And I think, yes, the reason is not because the guys are better, it's because the knowledge and the technology improve. Humans were all the same, were the same human,

but our knowledge and technology improve. And therefore, guys got better. get better performance. And in a sport, like combat sport, you cannot measure the result. But in, for example, in races or lifting, you have data. You know that, for example,

you signed both beat Jesse Owen. But did he beat him because he's better? Or did he beat him because he had the shoes, yet he was running on the different surface. Right. Training. Yeah, he also had the departure block that Jesse Owen did not have.

You know, now they, you know, like they use a lot of technology and knowledge that didn't have back then. Yeah. So if you give that to JCO and maybe it would have been better than you're saying both. Who knows? Maybe not. Maybe yes. So it's the same thing in combat sport. I believe the performance got better.

Yeah. The future generation will be better. Not because they're really better. It's just because they have more access to better technology and knowledge. You think there's a peak to that? It's a good question. Can we become like the peak performance athlete? I'm a pure risk.

I'm against the idea of equipment. I know it's a freaking business, but I think it's wrong. So you can measure it better? I think guys should be fighting maybe in a shorts, bare end like he used to be. I think sprinters should sprint barefoot, no freaking departure block

on the same surface they always run because it affects the, it affects the data. If you give a better surface, a surface that is harder that has more respond when you run, therefore it messed up the result because the one that didn't run on that surface

have a disadvantage. The shoes change everything, the grip of the shoes, the departure block, it gives you the kick in the beginning. I just take race as an example because more people knows about racing than anything else. But fighting is the same thing.

You use performance-enhancing drug or you use different equipment. Excuse the data. It's fuck it up. But we live in a world that we want to see the record being broken. And it's our nature. We want to go further and better and better and I understand it. And it's a lot of money attached to it to the equipment.

It's a business. but as a purist, I don't like to see it. But I have to make up with it because that's the reality I live in. Wow, great answer. I never actually gave that some thought. But yeah, because I've thought about that too. You know, is Sidney Crosby better than Wayne Gretzky? Is Wayne Gretzky better than Gordy Howe?

But it really comes down to, yeah, the improvement of equipment, the improvement of how you train, what you're training. and, you know, little minute things over time that are shifted a little bit. But yeah, they're not on an even playing field. Man, hard to measure. I went to the Raptors because I give speeches to the teams sometimes to professional team.

And, man, they have certain technology. The Raptors, for example, they know where they're more likely to score when they take a shot than other place on the field. Like they have some freaking data that is just unbelievable. So they know they're more likely to score. So they know that if they pass the ball in that sort of area and they have a guy that shoots in, they're more likely to, because everything is measured. It's freaking crazy.

Wow. And it's knowledge. Knowledge is a weapon. Knowledge is technology and knowledge is a weapon. That's how Alexander the Great, Genghis Kang, the Romans, the Second World War was won because of knowledge and technology. And the same thing in the my fights. You know, I had knowledge. I was a very good athlete,

but I didn't became champion because I was the best athlete. There's guys that were better athlete than me. There's a guy that, you know, I work hard, but I'm sure there's a guy that worked just as hard and maybe harder than me. I work smart, but there's guys that, you know, that work smart, but I was very lucky

to add the influence and certain contact that gave me the knowledge that I have. And that's, I think, one of the main reason why I was successful. And in warfare, in life, even as an entrepreneur, I think it's a key. When you get knowledge and you know how to use it, you can be successful. I mean, that and I will say your humility is also something that, you know, yourself, you won't go and talk about because it's hard to talk about oneself as being humble,

but you're a very humble person and in victory in all the, successes and I think that as well makes you stand out not only as an athlete but as a human being so I think that that's really commendable as well thank you man thank you Chris I'm happy we we cross pat and I got to know you man and it's fun man it's uh it's fun right and I'm looking forward these these these these experiment that you know I'm willing to try to cyanic stuff you know I'm curious and I want to know if I we'll do some If there is something to be done, because you convince me of the possibility. I wouldn't say the true because I don't know if it's true, but the possibility,

because my mind was a little bit closed before, but the possibility that could be enhanced. And if that's the case, man, man, I want to be part of it. I want to know. George St. Pierre, thank you very to have talked with me today. Thank you. Thank you to to me to have received

and also to me to have presented Louis Lissando for me it's a great important. It's a grand

pleasure and to all the fans Quebecers who we're listening it's certainly a shock to me

to talk in in French but I think it obligatory also. I didn't know you speak

French before I met you and you speak like perfect I was like shit I'm like I didn't know

maybe a day we'll be a podcast in France just for the Quebec. Yeah, well, yeah, well, sure, but the audience is is more grand in English, it's normal.

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