AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - UFO Experts Come Forward (Full Documentary) - IPN LIVE TOUR

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

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And what I captured during this trip profoundly changed me. First stop was Tucson, Arizona, where the guest was former CIA officer, John Ramirez. This was co-hosted by my friend Josh from the Polarity YouTube channel. I asked John if he could share a UFO sighting from the area. Well, I wasn't a firsthand witness to it. learned about it. It was on social media and I contacted the individual who had the original video released to him purportedly, allegedly by a source and Homeland Security. It's about a craft that was followed by a Homeland Security air asset. And the craft was nicknamed the rubber

ducky because that's what it looked like. And to describe it, it was kind of triangular in shape. And it was doing what we would call that signature management. You didn't get a really good view of it. And the rubber ducky part came about because at the top of this craft was some kind of appendage or some kind of protrusion that would look like a duckhead. So you think about a rubber ducky toy in a swimming pool. Think about that. But think of it flying and doing all kinds of strange maneuvers. So this was tracked by this Homeland Security Air asset.

Subsequently, I believe it was attributed to an asset for the U.S. government doing border security. And it just was a type of drone that was probably not acknowledged. It wasn't doing incredible speeds like a UAP because this air asset was able to follow it. and that's just one of many high strangeness things that happened in Arizona. It's a great place. If you want to see UAP, move to Arizona. Sedona seems to be like a hot spot for this stuff. Yes, indeed.

Have you been out to Sedona? Yes, I've been a UFO tour sponsored by Melinda Leslie. Oh, yes. She's with the center for the new. Yes, Center for the New Age. She does talk about my lab experiences that she had. I went on a UFO tour, and it's worth every penny because she gives your money back if you don't see one.

Wait, so you saw something out there? I saw a UAP craft, not a satellite. I know what satellite trajectories look like in the sky, but satellites do not traverse the sky, then turn around, loop around, go left, go right, and then go back to its trajectory again. And it was seen through night vision goggles. If you took the night vision goggles off, you could not see it.

But with the night vision goggles on, you can clearly see this particular object, which I consider to be a UAP. And this is coming from someone who did signals intelligence. Signals intelligence, yes, and I had my fair share of looking at electrical optical imagery collected by NRO as part of my job. So I knew that this was not a satellite. satellites would tear itself apart doing those type of maneuvers in space. Look at that. We got the crash saucer. This is a cozy vibe.

I like this a lot. Yeah. And these seats are damp. I know. We're going to have John Ramirez. How long was he in the CIA? 25 years. We're bringing up 2027.

We're bringing up hybrids. There's no escaping, John. Have you seen anything like that? while you were working with the CIA? Only from the window of an airplane. I was going to a UFO conference in the summer of 2001. It was before 9-11. We were flying across the U.S.

from Baltimore, Washington International to LAX. I was with my friend, another CIA officer. We went to this UFO conference on our own dying, paying for our own hotel rooms, so it wasn't anything official. And back then, United Airlines allowed passengers to tune in to cockpit communications. You can hear a cockpit talking to the air traffic controllers. He didn't know that. And across the southwest U.S., we were over the southwest U.S., probably right over Arizona,

the pilot reported that there was an object traversing his, field of view, his flight path, from left to right in that direction. And it was like an orange object going very fast. And I was sitting on the right side in the back of the airplane. I opened my window shade and looked out. And there it was a bright orange orb receding in the background going north. So we were going west, east to west. from the east coast to the west coast,

and this object was going due north. And I was thinking, oh, that's interesting. We're over the southwest. What's north of us? Oh, Navala. The pilot was asked by Air Traffic Control whether he wanted to report it,

and of course, back then, no, that's okay. We're not reporting. After Tucson, we hit the road for a six-hour drive through the desert. Our destination for the evening was Joshua Tree, where we all took part in a small group meditation before bed. Lots of meteor, satellites, and as for this little thing...

That was nuts. That got so bright. Whoa! I'm recording it. You know, your guest is as good as mine. It could just be a rotating piece of space debris for all I know, but whatever. It was still fun to see. It was the next day, and it was time to get on to our next destination.

but before we did that, I wanted to visit a place known only as giant rock. In the middle of the Mojave Desert, nothing for literally miles. And then all of a sudden, this massive rock. Seven stories tall, 6,000 tons of granite, and for years, it was the largest freestanding boulder on Earth. While a German prospector named Frank Kritzer got there first, he dug himself an apartment underneath. at 400 square feet of home under a boulder. And sadly, his story ends, well, pretty tragically. You see, in 1942, deputies come out to question him about, you know, being a German in 1942.

And there ends up being a standoff and Kritzer dies in an explosion under his own rock. Now enter George Van Tassel. This guy's an aircraft guy. He worked for Douglas, for Hughes. And in 1947, he moves him. and his family out to Giant Rock. Takes over the little air strip, opens up a cafe. August 24,

1953, 2 in the morning, George says a man walks up to him. The man got off of the ship and approached me before I even knew there was a ship down. Where were you then? What time of day or night was it?

It was 2 o'clock in the morning and approximately a full moon, which is like daylight on the desert. And I asked him what he wanted, and he said, my name is Solgonda, and I would be pleased to show you our craft. Was this a guy who gave you the formula for the time machine? That's the man.

And what form did the formula take? Did he implant it in your mind by telepathy, or did he give you something written in English? He spoke it to me verbally. And you remembered this? There's nothing to it to remember. Well, you tell me now, the formula for a time machine. F equals 1 over T. F equals 1 over T.

F being frequency and T being time. Now, if I came to you with that story, you tell me I'm out of, my mind. But here's the thing about George. He told everybody and people came. He started the Giant Rock spacecraft convention. First one saw a couple hundred people and by the late 50s, 11,000, 11,000 people. And the machine, well, he ended up building it. It's now known as the Integratron. It's 45 feet across, 38 feet tall. He spent 18 years and every dollar he had. He died in 1978, just weeks before it was finished. And I think Josh, you told me this was referenced in the raw material. I believe they asked if there was any point in completing this because it's not

finished. It was built and kind of just left. I can't remember quite why. And Ra came back and basically said the time for what it was originally built for has passed and that it's almost like irrelevant at this point in the timeline. And it's still standing out there. Unfortunately, It was closed when we came by, but this thing normally houses sound baths and meditative retreats. And you can just go sit inside it, but nobody to this day really has figured out possibly the true potential of this place. Who knows? It remains a mystery. Next stop is Los Angeles, California, where I'll be interviewing Daryl Anka, otherwise known for channeling an extraterrestrial being named Bashar.

You've had your own encounter in 1973. Two. Two, actually, yes. Yeah. These triangular crafts. Right, exactly. First time about 150 feet away. Second time, only about 70 feet away.

In broad daylight with witnesses, thank goodness, both times. Black, equilateral, triangular ships, blue white light on each point, dull red-orange light underneath. First time we were driving down into the valley from West L.A., and it was hovering over a hotel in the distance. And at first I thought this was a helicopter or a plane or something, but then we realized it really wasn't moving. It was just stock still. And as we drove past it to go on the interchange, it moved from one side of the freeway

to the other side of the freeway, which is now on my left again, because we're moving around in the other direction. And then it just took off over the valley like it was riding on a sheet of glass. It was the strangest motion I've ever seen because even a small airplane just kind of, you know, like wobbles through the air a little bit.

This was just like it was pulled on a strange. And we are all excited about having seen something like that because, you know, we've heard stories of UFOs. But when you finally see something like that, it changes everything. And then, you know, we kind of like, we're all excited and kind of got over it. But a week later, when one of the friends was with me again, we were in West Los Angeles, we were stopped at a stoplight on a major street. And again, either exactly the same craft or an identical one flew at about 70 feet above the end. intersection and went over the neighborhood. And we were like looking at each other like, what's going on? Are we being invaded? What's happening? And so on a whim, I decided to just follow it. So I turned right. She was

leaning out the window, riding shotgun, and she was basically telling me where it was because I was trying to keep my eyes on the road. There were a lot of trees in the neighborhood, and we would lose it now and then. So she would go, you know, turn left, turn right. It's over there. It's over there. And I did my best to follow it. And at one point we just completely lost sight of it. And on a whim, I just decided, I'm just going to make a hard right. And I did. And she yelled, stop. I stepped on the brakes. We both looked out the window, and this thing was hovering just 70 feet above the car. We're staring at it. And then it just shot up into the clouds in the blink of an eye. No sound, nothing. And we got out of the car, we're looking around trying to find it. It was gone. The weirdest thing, the most surreal thing,

is there was no one in the neighborhood, no one watering their lawn, no one walking their dog, nothing. It was like this thing had happened just for us. And so from that moment forward, I realized, you know, reality is not what I was told it is. There is some other level to it here. Something's going on because what we had just seen, we were always told, didn't exist. But there it was in broad daylight, as close as you can possibly imagine for something like that, a real machine in the sky. So from that moment forward is when I started doing the research to find out what was going on, and ultimately led me here to do channeling.

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So I knew what channeling sort of was. But a particular channel who was conducting seminars, at one point when I had gone to listen and done so for a few months and thought this is really interesting information, the channel offered to teach channeling class. And I didn't understand how channeling could be taught. Everything I had read was like, well, it just sort of hits you like a bolt out of the blue and you lose consciousness and then people tell you you've been talking for two hours

and then you wake up and go, what was that? you know, but so I was curious to see what this process was. And what they did was a series of guided meditations and the entity that the person was channeling is actually teaching the class. So we're in these guided meditations for about six weeks into the course. And then I received in the middle of this meditation what I can only describe as just this download of memory and information of, I understood the UFO had been shown to me on purpose to get me to start doing the research. which I needed to do. I remembered having made an agreement before this life with Bishar to do this channeling because these things are set up before the incarnation. I saw an image of his face. I heard

the word Bishar. I didn't know what that meant exactly. And the message that was there was, now it's time for you to begin to do this if this is something you still want to do. Now, all this literally flashed into my head in a split second. I didn't say anything to anyone. But the minute this happened, the entity coming through the channel stopped talking to the class and turned to me and pointed at me and said, there's an entity for you right now if you're ready to begin. And I opened my eyes and I was a little shocked and I looked around and one of the classmates behind me somehow had picked up on the image that I saw of Bashar's face and she was sketching it on a piece of paper. So I said, okay, okay. There's two outside validations that something's

going on here. It's not just my imagination. I'm not hallucination. I'm not hallucinating. It's not a side effect of the meditation. Something real is happening. And that's what made me think, okay, I'll keep practicing and see where this goes. I did well enough that the teacher asked me to co-channel the next class with him. And during that class, a woman came named Margo

who wanted to do a doctoral thesis paper on the connection between channeling and psychology. And I became one of her subjects. I would go to her house. I would channel for her few friends. She would sit in her chair and take her notes and write her paper. Well, words started spreading.

People made recordings. They started sharing them. And so the crowds every week that we were doing this started growing and growing and growing. We had to do it twice a week to accommodate everyone. We had to do it in more houses to accommodate everyone. People started sharing the tapes and I got invited to different cities to do it, different countries to do it. And here I am more than 40 years later.

This show, like Tucson, ended up selling out. We had such a great time. Hire some actors to play The Men in Black and the Grey Alien, which ended up being a huge hit with the fans. This is where a machine comes in, transports the humans to go to where they need to go. Like in a ship powered by human blood. We also integrated some live interactive moments during the show

thanks to Yoni, one of the show's producers. This included minigames, questions for the guests, trivia, and much, much more. Now that that was done, time to pack up and head to San Francisco to meet up with another co-host. as well as our guest, Whitley Streber. This place was so impressive,

adorned by massive Greek pillars, I thought it was a most fitting venue to welcome Michael Philip, a Greek philosophy connoisseur and host of the Third Eye Drops podcast. I think the idea of interacting with higher non-human intelligences with something that was completely taken for granted

by our ancestors, not only in the Greco-Roman culture, though I am fond of that one, I mean, in native cultures, from east to west, it doesn't matter. The idea that we were in this giant ecosystem of intelligences seen and unseen was just like totally taken for granted by these cultures, the muse, the daimon, gods, whatever. Like the idea, of course our minds are submerged in this larger ecology of intelligences and beings. And I think we've badly degraded our imagination around these things over the course of millennia,

for a ton of different reasons. But I know you don't really like the term non-human intelligence, but I kind of do like it because it opens up the pallets so much in terms of what this panoply of intelligences could be. And I think to a degree we need to return to this worldview to some extent. There may be a lot of ulterior motives with words like God or angel or demon, right? People are trying to Trojan horse an entire worldview and a whole narrative onto you, and they use those words sometimes. So I share, or alien, man.

Like, I mean, it's, there's a very specific version of that whole narrative that I'm very suspect of because it can be used to manipulate people's minds, right? Like, whether it's Project Blue Beam or some, like, religious agenda, right? But I still think we do need to go in those directions to get closer to truth. but it's a very windy booby-trap-laden path, you know? Well, I mean, I think the idea of what beauty even is, what these structures are, what they represent, like the geometric and mathematical rules that underpin all of these things. Like, all of those were considered to be these sacred transmissions.

I think at the end of the day, we still don't really know what's going on, like with the phenomenon or how it could or, could not be connected. I really do think we do need to bring back the idea that we are in an ecosystem of intelligences. And many of those intelligences are higher and potentially something we're interacting with all the time completely ignorantly of. Do you think that we are currently deciphering the UFO topic much like people are still trying to decipher a lot of these allegories? Yeah, for sure. And I think some of the allegories still fit incredibly. well when you project things like the phenomenon onto them. I mean, as you know, one of my favorites

is Plato's Cave, right? And I think there's a very obvious version of that, like how those two things fit onto one another, the phenomenon on the Plato's Cave story. Essentially this idea that we're living in this lower dimensional slice of reality. There's truly a much deeper, grander truth outside of this cave or matrix of experiences of the physical world that we think that we live within. You know, there are only shadows on the cave wall in the allegory. And I think, honestly, that this is what the physical world is, like shadows in the cave wall of our psyches. Well, what's happening here is this, for better or for worse, these things are happening all around the world now. People are waking up to this, especially in the first world, and it'll spread and deepen over the years.

and enter into our belief systems and our cultures and our societies in thousands upon thousands of different ways. What's happening is very simple. Mankind, humankind, is becoming a cosmic species. We will be projecting into the stars and into other levels of reality over the next few generations if we survive. And that's the open question always. with every species. Everybody has a chance. Everybody comes to this point

and everybody comes to this razor's edge that we're on. It's a great place to be if you can balance on the edge of a razor. If they show up in numbers, it will redirect our whole

attention toward them. And we will stop going on our own journey innovating and discovering on our own. And that's not what they want. So I think that their direct contact with us is going to be as careful and judicious as it is possible to be. And certain people will be on many different levels will be in contact. There are people in the government, I know, and quite sure, are in contact. People on the outside are in contact. I'm not. the only experience or who's had this experience and is in contact, but I think that there will

always be a level of question for everybody, even the people who are in contact, because if there isn't a level of question, then we lose our sense of innovation and they're not interested. We become supplicants. They also, it's a, there's a sink or swim level to this too, because, you know, a new world if you can take it was said to Phil Corso and that's the defining reality of contact. Can we take it? We got to pull this out of their hands. We got to shake them until they force until we force them to give us what we want and they will not give us anything on a silver platter. I'm in the space of working with the public. What happens with the government

is fine. I don't do that. I you know I'm fascinated by it of course but it's It's not my part in this. My part in this is to take people to the point where they say, hey, what the heck's going on here? That's where I want people to go. Not to say, ah, that's nonsense, but to what the heck is going on here? And then I want them to take it from there on their own and go where they want to go and need to go.

I don't want to tell them where to go. I'm not a teacher. I am more of a catalyst is what I try to be. Very well put. Lastly, Widley, I just wanted to thank you. Being here today with all these people in the crowd, it isn't lost on me that a lot of this is attributed to you and your story and what you did for the world in terms of helping experiencers come forward.

It was massive, and to this day, people I interview from all across the world, reference seeing the cover of that book and that changing their lives. So this tonight is in big part thanks to you. So I wanted just a thank you. Well, you know, thank you. I have to tell you, if I had known that when I was starting this out, I don't know what would have happened. My wife knew.

She knew from the beginning exactly what was going on. She was amazing. But she kind of kept it to herself, and I just went out there and did what seemed right. talk about disclosure and we kind of lump it all in like disclosure aliens, UFOs. It's all this one thing. But I kind of see it as like there's this government disclosure and there's kind of characters within that realm. And then there's kind of like historical uphology that's always been there. And there are so many great stories that have out, you know, they outdate this government disclosure

by a long, long time. And I feel like people who are maybe newer since like the last 10 years into this topic, see that as all one thing. But I feel like as people begin to get more and more, maybe discouraged and losing faith in the government side of things, they're going to realize that there's actually, there's two different sides to this. And when that fatigue happens, they're going to realize that they don't need the government to tell them

the aliens are real or that we're not alone or whatever it is that they're looking for because there's enough sort of anecdotal evidence and testimony and just a wealth of stories that you can kind of put the pieces together yourself and it might not be that concrete answer that they're looking for but it's enough to give themselves confirmation

and that's where I think is going to go. I mean, I would love for the government to come out and tell us all the things you want to hear but I don't have too much faith in it. Next stop was Portland, Oregon, where we would add my friend and memory champion Nelson Delis to the list of co-hosts. And we're about to surprise the audience with our next guests.

I've always wanted it to be real, that there are aliens or something else out there. And I've always thought there was. My mom had a experience with a phenomenon when my sister was a baby, and she'd tell that story all the time. Have I ever told you that story? No. We lived in England until, I don't think it was born yet. and so my sister, my sister's two years older.

So she was still a baby in like an infant chair in the back seat of a car. My mom was driving home. We lived in England at the time. And if you've been to England, which you have, you know, there's streets like that. Yeah, they have highways, but their normal streets are very dark. There's no like streetlights. They're winding roads through forests and stuff. Very common.

And she was driving home one evening in the dark, pitch dark, you know, in winter where it's, like dark at by four. And yeah, suddenly just a bright light right above her. And I always asked her like, mom, could have been a helicopter, a plane? She's like, no, there's, we live out of nowhere, you know, middle of nowhere. And that light was so bright. It was right on top of me. And it stayed with me for like five, ten minutes. And I was terrified. I had this feeling of, you know, like unease. She said the radio was static. and like her watch stopped. And she like never wants to talk about it

because there's this like the feeling it gives her. And then it disappeared. But yeah. Anyways, I loved hearing that story. I always try to get more out of it. Like were you abducted? What did the time say, you know, like when you stopped? But she could never give me much more than that.

But anyway, so it's been something I've been fascinated with for a long time. And then I had those experiences. with remote viewing and kind of out of body and just tapping deeper into my mind also because of the memory stuff. And I don't know, I just feel like there's more out there. And the more you believe in that, the UFO stuff doesn't seem so impossible anymore. Knowing you, and you tell me all these stories, I don't know the whole history like you do and all the different cases and how crazy they get.

I've also heard stuff from you that I just think, I don't know, I don't know if I believe that. So you've taught me to be very kind of, I'm always been skeptical, but you've taught me to kind of be just here at all. Surveigh the landscape and pick out those commonalities, you know, and the commonalities, there's a lot, you know, that at the very basic level are there. And so if you just take that, I think it's very clear that some things out there. We tend to remember things that are out of the ordinary that are not of the norm out there, bizarre, emotionally striking. So an experience like that is filled with all of that, right? Just probably the wonder, the fear, the excitement, the novelty.

Are you remembering the actual experience? Are you remembering the story that you tell? Right. And inevitably, when you tell a story, we talk about this, that you're trying to bring the person into the story. And to do that, you have to, you'll naturally, I don't want to say embellish, because that sounds like you're purposefully making it false,

but you do want to try to give the person you're telling the story to the feeling that you had, and that requires storytelling, drawing out explanations and inserting details that might over time kind of grow and fluff up to something more than it was. I know if I'm honest with myself and some of the stories that I've told, I'm sure, with the experiences I've had, they probably aren't as accurate as I now remember them to be the story.

So you have to be careful with that. And I'm sure every experiencer, there's always going to be an element of truth. Well, not always, but in the honest ones that are really telling a story of something that happened to them, there's going to be an element of truth, but you always have to be skeptical and obviously take everything with a grand of salt, every little detail.

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This state is known for a lot of sightings. It has the McMinville UFO Festival. It has a real sort of like collective effervescence around this topic where, you know, people feel the sense of community around here. And now with this show that we're bringing here, what does it mean to you to be a part of this in a way that isn't so, serious? It's good to see that the attitude has changed. I mean, people are accepting the fact that, you know, hey, maybe all this is real. And that really wasn't, that really wasn't the line of

thinking back in the 80s. So it's good to see that, you know. But I'm kind of a reluctant participant. You know, like I said, I was, I don't follow UFO lore or stories or anything along those lines. and I certainly didn't believe in any of it before getting the job. But it is good to see the attitudes change. Now I'll be posting this entire show on the channel soon, so stay tuned for that.

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You know the words flying saucer? Well, that was actually born in Pendleton, Oregon. Later when asked by a reporter to describe how they flew, Arnold said their motion was like sources skipping over water. June 1947, Kenneth Arnold tells a local reporter what he'd seen over Mount Rainier. And within a day, the term is everywhere on Earth. And then, McMinville, 1950, a farmer and his wife, look up, grab a camera and take two photographs that ran in Life magazine, and nobody has ever fully debunked them. Can you tell us a little bit about the McMill one? Do you know anything about it? Well, more about the shape of the craft that always fascinated me, and it's got this,

it's a, it's a, it's a, looks like flying saucer in a way. It doesn't have the, it's flat on the bottom and it has a looks like an antenna on the top with a type of a sphere kind of an antenna and it's crooked it's like angled and I found that to be very interesting based on some of the information that you know I retrieved from Bob throughout the years and you'd think about the sport model had a waveguide terminator which is like this little antenna on top of the craft a lot of people draw antennas on the craft, even the kids at Ariel drew an antenna on the craft, and here's this craft that has, and it's on an angle, it's tilted, and the antenna is tilted, which almost makes sense if you really know the science, a little bit of the science behind it. So we took liberty

at a certain point when we were building S4, and there was, you know, Bob saw a whole bunch of, a whole bunch of adjacent anger doors open a whole bunch of crafts but he didn't really get to see past the two the two but there was other ones he says i couldn't tell so we had to have creative liberties and put anything further away so when our vr experience comes out the fifth hangar has the mcmill ufone there so so right now currently it's in the movie you just can't see it you can't see it but it's there but it's there it's there yeah just for fun because we thought if we have to create our own designs why not use some that people saw. So we even have the one from Falcon Lake in there. Yeah, yeah, we have one from Falcon Lake. We have the McMinnville and we have another one. I can't remember

which one it was, but there's three known UFOs that are further out there. I say this to you all the time to me, it's like the best outcome I could have seen in my lifetime at this age, where I'm still, you know, knock on wood, healthy enough to go around, hang out with friends, talk about it. And it's no longer taboo, at least in many new circles. And it's like there's people interested, people asking questions, curiosity is growing, but in a positive way. The Questions are not to trap people, but inquisitive questions to inform people, which is a completely different thing. You used to get a lot of, I want to catch your lie questions.

Now it's, I want to know questions, which is so different. The 80s and the 90s was such a different time. Now I'm like, this is great. And, you know, hanging out with you and hanging out with all the people that you brought together and all this, it's just freaking awesome. So after signing some posters and taking some pictures and taking some. photos, it was time to pack up and head to Seattle. Shout out to Andre Ingolstad, who helped me shoot this next segment. Funny story, he was actually the guy who sent in his triangular craft video,

which was featured at the beginning of one of the episodes that I made about triangular crafts. I'll leave his Instagram below where you can follow his page. He sailed across the Atlantic in a pirate ship and captured some really amazing sights. In Seattle, we welcomed forensic anthropologist, Dr. Michael Masters. I sort of saw a lot of skepticism, some dismissal, and a ton of ambivalence for a long time. People just kind of like, see what you're doing over there, don't want any part of it, just going to ignore it. I kind of challenged that in my institution specifically because I taught a 300-level UFO class, like not how psychologists or society sees UFOs, but this is real.

Came in day one. We're going to talk about this. posters all over campus. It's on the books. And kind of forced a lot of people and the administration of my academic colleagues to be at a point where they can't ignore it anymore. And the class went super well. My administrative assistant said I had the highest student evaluation score she's ever seen. The students loved it. Word across campus spread, I've been asked if I'm teaching that class again probably 50 or 60 times since. And yeah, like the administrative. has been supportive.

Went on Rogan in December, and that kind of made its way through the vice chancellor, chancellor, Dean. And despite talking about a ton of weird shit with them, they kind of accepted with some level of skepticism the reality of the phenomenon

and what we were talking about. And I think to answer your question, it's really been legitimized a lot over the last five to six years, especially since 2019 with the New York Times article. People testifying in front of Congress under oath, obviously had a lot to do with it. And then things like this, things like what you're doing, going out, being public with this and digital form in person,

just really normalizing the topic. I think that's the biggest part of this. Are you going to pursue this more on an academic side? Are you looking to do more personal study into this topic? Or are you like, hey, I've laid my cards out. guys make of it what you will? A little bit of each of those. After a year and a half, I just finished the audiobook version of my novel, which was

kind of the third piece in this puzzle for me. There's like a hard science book that's been called Dents by a lot of people, one that brings the science in, but it's more stories, it's more readable. And then this novel is just kind of a fucked up journey through time, but appeals to a different audience, also bringing that science in in different ways. So there's that side. I'm also collaborating with a number of academic colleagues at Harvard, Ohio State. Riswan Verk is one of our co-authors on a paper that we just started writing two weeks ago.

We just had a meeting over Zoom. So I'm still doing the academic articles almost exclusively with regard to the phenomenon or things tangentially related to it. unfortunately my main biological anthropology research has taken a back seat but I feel like there's so much going on with this question it's potentially one of the biggest questions of our time so I'm obviously willing to put my time into that and put some of these other things on the back burner for a while so it's a good mix of things that bring me joy doing things like this with you just having fun with science fiction and really trying to get

this question and discussions about it out in academic journals, peer-reviewed journals, and really bring this conversation to the scientific masses. You spent a lot of years teaching. Has there ever been an overlap for you in an academic sense with a student or a peer where you've engaged with sort of talking about the phenomenon? Not UFOs or UAPs or aliens specifically, but definitely, you know, I've been, gone into mind stuff. My memory, of course, always peeks its head in because I'm teaching them. So I use my techniques. And eventually some student looks me up and it's like, oh, you, I watch your

YouTube videos. It was amazing. I learned how to memorize this. And so then I sometimes at the end of the semester, or when appropriate, I'll do a lesson on memory. And a couple of semesters, I even hit some remote viewing when we had extra time. I didn't explain what I was doing, but I did some little classroom tests where I brought in a box. I had an item in a box that I chose at random from my home. And I was just like, all right, guys, everybody at these paper. We're going to try a little mental exercise. It has nothing to do with class right now.

But, you know, it's a fun little reprieve from our studies. And I just see who would get the closest or if anything would come up. And of course, that led into like, Nelson, why are we doing this? and I'd have to explain kind of this whole thing. So we sometimes would spend a lecture just talking about that part of the phenomenon. Remote union size studies. Yeah. Did you ever, how was the interest level there?

Because I feel like hearing Dr. Masters talk about it, like the stigma doesn't exist with them as much as it exists with us or our generation. Right. Yeah, I was very hesitant to do that in those classes. But then I did it twice. And both times, different semesters, both classes were really engaged. I had tons of, even more engaged than some of my other actual lectures for the class. And I've had a few people come up to me and tell me their stories and that they had some weird, you know, coincidences or synchronicities or, you know, premonitions and things like that. we never got into UFO type stuff, but they were definitely open to it more than I would have imagined the topic.

Do you see the future where there are classes like the ones that Michael taught or perhaps like a remote viewing, you know, lecture done in an academic sort of prestigious, you know, institution? Is that something that you see happening? Yeah, I think so. And I was talking to Michael about it last night because I said I was a professor. And I even have tried to create a course, a memory course, just a memory fundamentals course, which would be immensely helpful for any student. And you can kind of find survey classes about memory and sometimes delves it to memory techniques, like in psychology courses.

They usually have a course where they talk about memory methods. But it's not like a practical tool-building class. But anyway, so I'm a bit familiar with trying to create a class and, you know, bring it to the people who need to approve it. And he was saying, like, yeah, when I came up with the idea and brought it to the dean, I mean, he's the chair. So he kind of already has a bit of an advantage. At this, in this age, I can't really say no. You know, it's all about being inclusive and open. So that kind of, I think, has it going for it.

So I could see more of that coming to light. I would love to, I don't know if I would say, hey, we're going to do a remote viewing class, but definitely something, even if I worded my memory workshop, course, whatever, as a little more mind-cognitive training, I could slip that in there. And right before hitting the stage, I decided to perform some magic and comedy. All right, Tom. Have you ever seen magic this close before? You haven't.

Have you ever seen magic this close before? That's okay, good. All right, that's a good thing. Sounds weird, but was this in your browser history recently? Was that? Who you here with? I'm here with my friend Chris. Your friend Chris.

Maybe it's Chris. Maybe Chris's browser history. There's a Z in here? Yeah. I think I know what this is Z. There's an E? There's a B? An R?

An A? Yeah. I think we all know what this is. On account three, I want everybody to say, one, two, three. Not the word I was picking up. It was a different word. Like a half the audience in stitches. I'll tell you on the ride home.

But all of this was just to set up a very special surprise. I do want to try one more thing here. But I need a couple. Any couples in the house? This guy up here will go up in the second. Yeah, you with the hand up. Yes, you. Yes.

Give it up for this couple. Come on. Megan, nice to meet you. Megan, step right this way and thank you for joining me. And you are? Troy. Troy, nice to meet you too, Troy. Hey, Troy, stand right here.

Megan, do you mind? I have a blindfold here for you. Okay. Can you see anything, Megan? No. Brightest moments. Will you be my human until my body falls away? you are the closest person I've ever known.

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Do you think, because that's probably, you know, it's one of the most badass things I've ever seen in my life. It's a great time. Actually, Luigi's been pushing me to, to make that happen. But yeah, there's absolutely going to be another desert blast. And it's going to be awesome. Out of control.

Yeah, exactly. Like if you pour gasoline on Burning Man, it's like. Yeah, yeah. We were going through some photos, you know, just the other day and seeing some of the explosions that you guys had and everything like that. Do you think like doing a desert blast today would be possible like you did it back then? Oh, yeah. I've already got it late.

The plans laid out, there's, yeah, it's a for sure thing. Can I get a ticket? Yeah, yeah, you're going. Yeah. All right. We'll take up any more of your time. I'll keep there. Thanks, Bob.

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