AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay - UFO Researcher Details The STRANGEST Alien Encounters - Preston Dennett | DEBRIEFED ep 93

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

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The phenomenon, what is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal? 100%. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone. I honestly think we are dealing with people, like us, who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions.

What does this mean? I think it means our relationship to them is a lot. closer than we realize, because contact he's will get the message, we are you, you are us, we are one. And I saw his face kind of just melt away, the nose got damaged, the lips,

the head got bigger, the hair went away completely. And the message was they are human. They have a different ancestry, they have damage done through radiation. I'm specifically fascinated by the mantids cases. Okay, we'll have the

small grays, the humanoid, the tall but then way back here behind the curtain, you got like these overseers. And he turns around, he said it was the scariest thing. They were sitting on these white kind of thrown like chairs stone on a dais. And he says they were pressing they were 15 feet tall. He was trembling. And they said, would you like to go to our planet? He said, no.

I'm so mind-blown right now. I can see this kind of hole in the wall. And then I'm in hurtling through space. Because I'm like, okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. And it turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you. Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined today by a very exciting guest.

I'm looking forward to having a conversation with. This is Preston Dennett. You might be familiar with Preston's work through his various amount of books. Preston's been a researcher for a very long time. And it also has a really, really fun, interesting YouTube channel that you should check out where he talks about these experiences, UFO encounters, of all nature. And it's really just, you cover high strangeness a lot as well, which I'm really into, and you have a really good way of connecting the dots. And so I'm looking forward to this.

My audience actually suggested to have you on multiple times. So I think they're really excited to have you on. Welcome Preston Dennett. Thank you, Chris. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be fun. This should be fun. I want to start. There's so many cases to go through. which I'm going to eventually ask you about, I want to go through a list of like your top cases, your highest conviction cases, the high strangeness. This will be a really good episode for anyone who's looking to just get a broader sense of all the strange encounters that are out there. But I want to start with your encounter, or encounters, I should say, of which there were many. And maybe you can start, I'll let you take it away. All right. I mean, it's hard to know where to start because growing up, I was skeptical of all this, didn't believe any of it. In hindsight, I'm like, okay, there was that incident of missing time when I was about nine years old where I missed lunch. I was in my bedroom. And we're six kids in our family. You don't miss lunch because they're not going to eat. And I missed lunch. And everyone said, we called for you. I'm like, I was in the bedroom.

They said, no, you weren't. I always wondered about that, but never really put, you know, the dots together. And a few little things like that, but nothing I could sink my teeth into. And that all kind of changed once I started investigating the subject. And it turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you. They being the aliens, the ETs. It's called UFO Investigators Disease.

Yeah. Ed Conroy coined that term because he started having contacts after investigating Whitley Streber's case. Wow. And I looked at other UFO researchers. I'm like, wow, a lot of them have had this. And I was in the middle of an investigation of the Topanga Canyon UFO wave, 1992. And I'm over at my brother's house and my sister-in-law. And they're helping me through all this because I was new to this field.

And he had had an encounter. She had visitations by ETs when she was a little girl. It's in my family. So they're helping me. And I'm like, okay, it's not. late, it's Sunday, I got to go home. I'm driving, you know, they were in Woodland Hills. I lived in Canoga Park, six miles away maybe. I'd leave their house, going around this hairpin corner, can't go more than five miles per hour. And I see what I think is a bird. This is, you know,

almost midnight. It's not a bird. It's a little ball of light. So now I'm thinking maybe it's a firecracker. It's July 1992. towards the end of July, July 20th, they're about. So people are still shooting up firecrocker's, and that's where I went. This darn thing comes down and hovers right in front of my windshield. Like a foot away.

I mean, much closer than I am to you right now. Whoa. How big was it roughly? A little bit bigger than a ping pong ball. Okay. Not big. And what color? White. White.

Soft white, hard edges. And it's hovering and kind of wavering slightly. This thing goes back to the edge of the windshield all the way to the other side, back to the other side, and then stops right in front of my face. I'm like, okay, it's intelligent. It's not a reflection. You know, your mind starts, I'm stopped. I'm gripping my steering wheel.

And this thing scoots forward, almost touches the ground and goes straight up. And that's the last thing I remember. And here's the weird thing. I didn't remember this. I completely forgot about it. out of my mind. And for, I don't know, four months. And then one day I'm just sitting there, I'm like,

huh, I remember seeing this. It just triggered randomly while you were just pondering. There was no cue or anything. Yeah. Often people will say, oh. Yeah. No, I just remembered it. You know, I'm sticking to this.

This did happen. I'm now convinced I had missing time because I don't remember driving home. I would have turned around. I'm like, Mark, Christy, I've seen this. Right, yeah. That's definitely not something you can just move past. Right. So that was 1992, a big year for me. I had a siting with my brother and sister-in-law a month later up in Crater Lake area. This lights blinking on and off and we're clicking our flashlights out it, and it's responding. And then I joined C-SETI, the group with Stephen Greer, and we started

calling down UFOs that same year, and it just rolled out from there. I started having sightings pretty regularly. I'll tell you a couple of really good ones. I was heading this meditation one year. This was probably 94-ish. And we're all sitting in a group. There's five of us. And I just start getting, we're all meditating,

our eyes are closed. This is in Topanga Canyon. Pretty beautiful hotspot. Yeah. And I started giving this message, look up. Look up, look up, look up, look up. I'm like, I'm not looking up. I'm meditating.

You know, I'm trying to call them down. but this message just wouldn't shut up. Was it audible? No. No, it was just an impression? Yeah. But it started getting stronger. I'm like, fine, I'll look up.

No sooner did I look up. There's this dot of light high in the sky, star-like, but it expands, expands, expands, expands, and it's, I hate saying this, but it covered like a third of the sky. Oh, my gosh. So this is not a shooting star. It's like someone pouring milk on the top of a glass table and you're looking up. It's just, it's man. And, you know, later talking to Dolly Saffron, she's like, oh, that's a light gate.

That's E.T's coming in or out. Which makes sense because that same night, one mile away, I ended up interviewing this couple who saw this major craft literally just over the other side of the hill. Same darn time. So that was a good sighting. Wow. A couple more leading up to my major onboard experience. I'm driving home from a friend's house, San Diego to L.A.,

and I start to see this object over the freeway. This is a 405 freeway. Never empty. And of course, I'm maneuvering. Everyone's going 70 miles an hour. I'm like, what the heck is that? Because I know this route. I've done it 100 times.

And it's very low cloud ceiling. And there's this giant global light right over the freeway. Like, I don't remember that. And I'm so kind of coming closer and closer to it. looking for, you know, some sort of attachment of the streetlight. No. And I'm right under it. I'm like, okay, holy crap.

This is something. I got a message. It said, your niece has just been born. How crazy is that? Turns out that's my sister-in-law who had a major face-to-face encounter with Grays. Her son had an humanoid encounter and a sighting. So they're kind of carrying on the whole ET generation. Yeah.

But that was a weird thing. And it kind of ties in. And was he? Yeah. She was born. Whoa. So how did you find that out? Did you call your sister and were like, oh, when I got home, I'm like, Alex, she was born, right?

Yep. My brother had a close up sighting. That's what got me into this field. Yeah. Can you tell me about that? Because that really left a mark on you. It did, because I was a skeptic. I'll never forget November 17, 1986.

Because I'm watching the TV news, and you might remember this state. Kenju, Torochi, J-A-L Airlines. Yeah, huge case. Yeah, massive case. Yeah, which the news just joked about. Yep. They were like, ah, yeah, this guy thinks he saw you. One of the most credible sightings, too.

None of that was in the news report. It was just joking tongue-in-cheek. Now, of course, we know it's got radar and they were followed for an hour and so forth. 96 was an interesting year, too, I think, was it was, this was 86. Oh, it was 86, okay, not 96. Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. Yeah.

Because I was like 96, it feels a little late for that sighting, but that, yeah, that makes more sense. I was 21 years old. Yeah. And that got me to remember, oh, my brother Mark came running in the house when I was 13. I saw a UFO. And I'm like, no, you didn't. The stars are too far away. You're diluted.

I was, I bought the Air Force, you know, party line. Hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions, mental illness. Yeah. You're all crazy. That's right. Mass hysteria. Yeah. And then I went to Mark.

I'm like, okay, tell me again. And he described this amazing sighting with his two friends. Was it a discure, a ball of light? It was a classic flying saucer. Wow. Little lights around it, dome on top, silent, tree top level. They chased it down Reseda Boulevard for 15 minutes, passing other cars. This thing would wait for them.

I'd get real close, it would dart ahead. Whoa. I'd get up to it, would dart ahead. It was playing coy. Yeah. So he's telling me all this. Like, Mark, you're... What?

It's like, call Phil and Greg, his friends. You know them. I did call them, and they confirmed it. Added a few more details. So that knocked down the wall for me, opened the door. And I found out my sister-in-law had sightings. She had a siting over Van Nuys Air Force Reserve Base.

Three months later, saw Grays walking by a staggart, Street Elementary School. What? In daylight? No, this was around midnight. She went for a walk to collect an abandoned shopping cart. She wanted it. Walking with her little dog, Sarah, sees these two kids standing right in front of the school under the floodlight. She's like, well, that's weird. They look bald. You know, and then she's thinking, do they have masks on? This is summer. It's not Halloween. She walks about 10 feet away from them, and they turn. Look at her like that. And she said it was like being woken up when you're awake because these were grays. She didn't use that term.

This was before, you know, people were really talking about this. She described the same thing. Yeah. She's an artist's idetic memory. She's going from top to bottom. I'm like, because she says the almond eyes. The head a little red. The wrap around eyes, the giant heads.

I had her drawn for me. Slip like mouths. So I'm like, oh, my God. So that was it. By then I knew they were real. And I had all the books I could get my hands on. But you didn't suspect that you had anything to, like, I mean, because at that point, you just thought, oh, these are all just, like, unconnected, disconnected coincidences. But, I mean, there's clearly something there if your whole family is.

Well, the first thing I did was like, have I ever seen a UFO? No, I never have. And it took me a year or two to, like, remember that incident of missing time. when I was like nine. You got with a ball of light. Now, get this, my brother, my sister-in-law is sitting next to him on the couch, and she's like, what's that on your arm?

And you could palpate this thing. It was a little stick-like object right under his arm. Hard? Yep. And you could see it if you pressed on it. So I took him to a Mufon Field investigator who's a doctor. The guy's eyes went really wide. He's like, oh, my God, we need to x-ray this.

You know, you could remove this, and my brother Mark instantly climbed up. And I'm like, gosh, you know, when someone's within a couple of hundred feet of a UFO, I now know, that's a huge red flag. A distant sighting is one thing. But if you're close up, red flag, you mean, what do you mean by that? Probably a more extensive encounter. Right. There's probably something else that followed or preceded it.

Right. That was more direct. So I'm wondering, I mean, how did that get in his arm? And is it related? I can't say for sure, but it disappeared. Because the sighting he had. with his friends. Right.

It was pretty darn close to him. And I've come to realize. It's no accident. Yeah. So it's in my family. I brought it up at work. That was a huge mistake because the lady I worked right next to. She's like, oh, yeah, I mean, my whole family saw one.

My daughter, she had these things come into her room. You know, you should talk to her. It just happened. Like, just happened. You're kidding. She's like, yes. It was ongoing as I just got involved in this field. Wow.

One of those weird synchronicities. And in Watsidore. who you would love. She's so, you know, outgoing, punny. And she's like, oh, UFOs. When it followed me home from the library. We live five, no, ten minutes away.

The weirdest thing, Preston, we left at nine o'clock, right when the library closed. It followed us home. We saw it dart away, and her friend Carol turns, looks at the clock. She says, Dorothy, it's 10.15. Where did the time go? So I'm like, Dorothy, you are abducted.

She's like, what? Because, you know, I learned to be a little bit more reserved. I was young. How many people have you interviewed in your career? I mean, I've talked to thousands upon thousands. Formerly, a few hundred. Formerly, and by formally, you mean people who have had direct ET contact. Who would allow me to record them?

Yeah. And, you know, let's do a full-on interview with you. That's official. Several hundred. So yeah. And with all of that, you've been able to map out a clear or at least a pretty clear picture of what's going on. I think so. So what's your gestalt on all of this? Where do we start here?

How do you see the phenomenon? What is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal according to you? These are questions I want to know. It's a loaded question. I know it's a loaded question, but answer it as you see fit. I would, you know, I give you the floor.

Well, I know there's all these theories. People are like, oh, it's a phenomena. It's an intelligence that wears different masks. I don't subscribe to that. The Jacques valet sort of school you don't subscribe to. No, I know that there are little people, you know, fairies and gnomes, which I think are real. I don't think they're ETs personally. I don't lump all this phenomenon.

one end to one thing. I don't think they're time travelers from the future. I've scoured the literature. I have no cases that really speak to that. Uh, so they're certainly not demonic. I know that's a very popular explanation. So I dove into all of that. I mean, I became a paranormal researcher, ghosts, demons, angels. Exorcisms, levitation, all of that stuff. All of that. Most personality, even. Yeah. They have missing time. That's right. So I looked into all of that. No, I don't think it's demonic. I honestly think we're. we are dealing with people, like us, who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions, psychic abilities, and things like this, but they're all humanoid, almost without

exception. You know, I'm expecting aliens to have tentacles as a skeptic and, you know, just the blob or something. Sure. And that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing bipedal. Some look just like us. Yeah.

So what does this mean? You know, I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize. And that certainly comes up in contactee accounts because contactees will get the message. We are you. You are us. We are one. That exact phrasing. I've heard that probably a half dozen times exactly that. But something along the lines of we share a common ancestry. We're not that different. We used to look just like you, the grays. Yeah, I actually had a, you know, what they call a download once, which I always wondered about. People are describing their experiences.

It feels, yeah, nebulous a little bit. Yeah, I'm not quite sure what you mean because you can only understand so much through words. But I was just out of my mind trying to figure out who are these grays. I was lying there in bed, just thinking about it. And then it's hard to describe. Suddenly it's like a vision.

Just pouring into my mind, a lot of knowledge all at once. And what they showed me was a human, male. Nice looking guy. Suddenly, the next frame is, he's losing a little bit of his hair. And it started going real fast, like a deck of cards, image after image after image. And I saw his face kind of just melt away. The nose got damaged. The lips. The head got bigger. The hair went away completely. And the message was, they are human. They have a different ancestry. They have damage done through radiation. That was the message. I got, but grays are human. That's my personal message. So that answered something, but

not all of them now. No, but before I get into the whole agenda or, you know, what I think's going on, can I tell you my own experience? Please. Yes, yes, we skipped over that. Yes, absolutely. This is something, okay, yeah, I didn't know, I didn't know this. And, you know, I've watched some of your videos. I'm reading your books and I'm getting familiar with a lot of your work, but I guess one thing that's somehow just alluded this is your own onboard ET experience. And so you shared this with me over dinner yesterday and I was, I had a visceral reaction to this. I was literally dumbfounded now. I mean, it is the craziest confirmation for me for you that you could ever hope for. As a UFO researcher, you got to go on board a UFO. Yeah. And it's funny. People think, well, he's.

He's a UFO researcher, you know, he's making it up. I can only tell you what I experienced. And like I said, I think if you get involved in the subject, I was circling around it. They were circling around me. Where did this happen physically geographically? In Reseda. Was it a remote area? No.

No. There's two million people in the San Fernando Valley. It's more densely populated than all of Wyoming. And where were you when this happened? I was in this little house in Reseda, 800 square feet, a house on one side, another, all completely surrounded. And I'm in my bedroom. I'm dreaming. You know, just a normal dream, blah, blah, blah.

And then I wake up. You know, and I'm fully awake now because I am being pulled through the wall. I can see this kind of hole in the wall. I'm like, okay. And then I've been hurtling through space. And here's the weird thing. I recognize this feeling. I knew that this had happened to me before.

It's a very electric feeling. A mild electric shock. Is this anything like an out-of-body experience? No. I mean... Really? I've had a lot of OBEs. That was my next question because I know you've mentioned this last night as well,

and I being a little familiar with out-of-body experience, having had a few of my own, I know that there is an objective difference between a dream, and an out of body state. Like, it is, it is objectively different, but there are subtle similarities as well, because you're in this sort of wishy-washy, weird mind state,

but you're completely lucid, and you can look around, look at your hands, ask yourself questions, you can touch things. Like, it's very sort of real, but there is a dream-like quality to, and I don't even like using the word dream

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When you're OBE, the environment almost seems more real. I mean, it's super vivid. As you progress with it, that dreamlike aspect kind of goes away, and you really begin to get a control of what's going on, where you go, what you can do. So it's dreamlike in the beginning, but it starts to really get more clear. And this was different. It was different. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but I felt like I'm flying through space in my body. In my body. I'm so mind-blown right now. Is it closer to this reality or closer to the OBE reality or closer to like something else? It's a little different. Okay. I mean, it is a little different from just walking around. Yeah.

Okay, obviously. I wouldn't equate it to the OVEE. Okay. Good to know. Because it felt physical. I mean, I could feel it. And I, this was 30 seconds of me flying through space. That's a long time.

Because I'm like, okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. I remember this happening. This is crazy. I hope I get to stay with them. This is what's going through my mind. Because, you know, after I had that missing time experience, I did start to recall some of what happened.

I remember being on a craft. And they were showing free energy motors and the wall peeled back. They showed the Milky Way. I saw how they pull up water into their craft. Wow. They'll sit you in the pilot seat and fly you around. These are kind of dream flashback memories that I pulled back by just meditating. I never did hypnosis.

I'm kind of interested in trying it, but I really wanted to do it the way I always recommend people. You know, write it down, meditate, work with dreams. Betty Hill, she remembered her whole encounter by just dreaming about it. Yeah. So at any rate, I'm flying through space. I'm like, this is great. I am loving this. And suddenly, I didn't see the craft.

I'm on a table. And there's this very tall woman standing next to me, looking down at me. She is rail thin. Snow white jumpsuit, huge blue wrap-around eyes, tiny little nose, tiny little mouth, very tightly curled, blonde hair. hair, very short, and just really nice. And she's looking down, there's little guys around me, but I'm not really looking at him. And I'm trying to get up. And she puts her hand on my chest, like, no, no, we need to make sure you're fine. I'm like, I'm fine. I've done this. Let's go.

It's like, no, no, no, we need to check you out first. And I'm looking around, right? Like, there's the round room. There's the walls. This is insane. I've talked to so many people. and here it is happening to me. This is my birthday, by the way. This is my birthday. And this is 2022. Yep, May 6. So only four years ago.

Yeah. It's the ultimate, you know, because I, you know how long I wanted this? This is insane. I can't imagine. I wish for this, I'd be out there at night. Come down, I'm ready. And it's happening. Are you saying yourself, it's happening?

Oh, my God, it's happening. I did have a gray, I think, once come to my bedroom. scared the living daylights out of me. I woke up, I'm like, because I thought I felt a cat walking across my bed. I don't have a cat. You know, there's something deeply ironic about spending all this time talking about surveillance and data leaks and black projects and cryptid apps, and then carrying around a phone that's connected to a carrier that's basically farming your information 24-7.

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And it started out of my room like nobody's business. My heart went, oh. scared the daylight out of me. I didn't get up, didn't investigate. I talked to so many people who were like,

no, I didn't do anything. I'm like, what? I get it now. I get how people can completely forget a UFO encounter because I've had this.

So I'm on this table and finally they let me up. And so I leap literally to my feet. This is a very low table. And there is this very tall gray,

who I instantly recognize. Now, you're going to be talking to Dali Safran. She's a contacti I interviewed. I wrote a book about her case. And she describes this tall gray that she calls Mama. And that was her. I knew instantly.

There's a weird knowing. You know, they communicate very effectively, telepathically. She's seven feet tall, if not eight. And 10 feet away, and I go right to her. Because she is the most beautiful creature. I've ever seen. She is a gray. I mean, the big eyes,

tiny little nose. She's full on E.T. Not like this other lady who was clearly a hybrid. She looked half human. Yeah, half human. And she's wearing this kind of smock. And I'm looking up at her

and she tilts her head, leans forward and to telepathically, so, is this what you thought it would be like? And I'm like, no, this is so much better. This is amazing. And she kind of chuckled. She was amused. I'm like, can I explore?

Go ahead. Which is, so I'm looking around. We're in a 50-foot wide room round. Any features on the walls? There was a row of windows all the way around. Were there archways? I didn't see any. Okay.

There might be some stuff I don't remember. Sure. But what I do remember is going to the other side and looking down at the earth, which is round, by the way. and I'm estimating we're 500 miles up from looking at, because I'm like, how high up are we? It wasn't a tiny little globe off in the distance.

No, yeah, you're still in the orbit. Yeah. And I'm like, wow, look at that. This is insane. So I turn around and I go to the center of the craft where there are two rows of people standing, and they're in a daze, they're out of it. I'm like, well, that's weird.

You know, there's a black guy, a lady, different ethnicities. So I go up to this girl, I'm like, hey, my name's Preston, what's your name? And she's just, they? No. Not there. No. And I wanted to, like, shake her and like, pick up.

Lights are on, but no one's home. I realized, probably, no, don't mess with her. She's, and I turn and I look, and there's full on grace, these kind of five foot tall. And that one made my heart leap up a little bit because they look different. How different? They don't look friendly, or do they look? I don't know. It was different.

from Mama who's just, they just looked really alien. Oh my gosh. You know, they're just, I don't know. It's hard to describe. They're typical grays. Yeah. But it's like, oh, my God, I'm here. Jump suits?

Yep. What color were they wearing? Gray. Gray jumpsuits. I can see why people think they're naked. I don't think so. Oh, you think it's just like a skin. Yeah, I see.

Because people aren't seeing, you know, the anatomy that is there. I do believe. Right. under certain light condition. Oh, you believe they have genitals. Oh, yeah. Okay. I've got reports of it.

Yeah. It's rare, but, but yeah, Ben, I saw this lady, you know, I think she's Korean. I worked with the Korean girls, looked just like her. I don't think it was her, but she's fully conscious. She's like, whoa, wow, look at me. And she's over by the other side. So I walk over to her, and I'm about to ask her, you know, what's your name? You know, I'm Preston.

I want to verify. You know, this is, yes, yes, can you get a last name, anything? Yeah. Because that would be like something else. I mean, that would be one of the biggest cases ever, right? So I'm about to, you know, say, hey, when they drop the ship, you know, we're like 500 miles up, down to the earth in a second, literally one second. And I'm looking down at this view and there's these little symbols that's overlaid over the window on almost like Google Maps kind of. Yeah.

These are like squirrelies and alien symbols. I don't know what they mean. But we're suddenly right down, or 10 feet above the, and the craft rocks like this. Like it's on a wave. Yeah. And I could, I felt that. Like it's on the water.

Yeah. Because I didn't feel any thing, you know, like when you're in an elevator and you're weightless. Yeah. Didn't feel that. But the craft itself was behaving, though, as though it was. You hear about this, obviously, you know, one of the more famous case being the Chuck Clark video.

And the craft sort of oscillating. I look for that when I interview someone. And you saw that. You felt that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was so cool. And then boom, we're back up.

And the next thing. So I turn around. And I, because Mama, she's like, calling to me, the tall gray, she hands me a cup like this, but half the size. And it's thick. It's a thick glass tumbler. And there's this green liquid. I'm thinking, okay, I wrote an article about this, alien drinks. I know what's going on here.

I don't know completely, but there it is, the green liquid. And she's like, go ahead, drink it. I'm like, okay, I trust you. And I sniff everything. So I'm like, hmm, don't really smell it. It's thicker than water. It's almost syrupy. Okay.

And light green, dark green. Light green, translucent. Looks like ooze. Yeah. Like the Ninja Turtle ooze. It was maybe three ounces. It's not a lot. And that was the same liquid that Dolly had described as well.

Yeah, I've heard this from a lot of people. Well, the same Tumblr even, right? Well, I asked her about it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because in symmetry, she writes about the tumbler as well being thicker. And so that stuck out to me. Yeah.

Huh. So you're getting all this confirmation. It's different, though, you know, because you get this idea in your head of what people are, people say, oh, the walls are rounded. In my head, I'm thinking it's an egg. No, it's not like that. The floor is flat and then it rounds up. Well, this came down like a dome. I've had other experiences, though, that I recall.

Once I found myself on board, this is a memory, right? And there was a little table, and there was this tall, tall white. I could not focus on his face. Wouldn't let me see it. And he said, do you want to see the other room? And they showed me what looked like a power source. That's what he said it was. And it was just slats kind of in a metal thing.

And my vision was going in and out. But he pointed to the corner of the room and said, look there. They turned the wall transparent. We were underwater. Whoa. I'm like, oh, my God. I've got quite a few of these kind of things. Let me ask you about the transparent wall

Because that is a recurring thing as well Whether it's Bob Lazar talks about that in the craft The wall going just transparent And becoming like some type of screen I've heard another guy Jesus Hoffremia Who was from Spain who talked about this as well As he got a tour in the ship Which looked you know again

Disc shaped by these human-like entities And they were showing him around The walls just disappeared like they were But there is also the Aztec craft was rumored to also have that through high-powered tests, high-powered voltage, that it would go. I suspect we have this technology somewhere. But a lot of the reports were that it wasn't completely see-through. Was this completely like it wasn't there?

Yeah, it's not like looking through glass. It wasn't like looking through like some fuzzy, no. No, it was clear as day. You'd think you could stick your hand through it. Okay. I mean, it was empty. Understood. But yeah, we were underwater.

I didn't see anything but water. I'm like, wow, I'll get that. So when you're back on this craft and the mama calls you towards her, you didn't get the other lady's name? No, I didn't. Do you kick yourself sometimes? I bet you do. Yeah. I would have stayed with them, honestly, because there was a feeling there like, no one's going to lie here, no one's going to kill me.

I don't have to pay money. you know, it's a different place. It's like advanced. I'm like, wow, I felt at home. Really? Unbelievable. It's just a different feeling. But she's like, okay, drink this.

I'm like, okay, and I took a sip. And I could taste it. A little bit of kiwi, a little bit of lime. That's the closest I can get to it. Sure. And, you know, it wasn't bad. A little sour. And she takes it away from me.

I'm like, hey, dude, I thought you gave me this was mine. And she's like, okay, you want another sip? Go ahead. She looked at me like I was insane. I'm like, no, really, I'd like another sip. And I did, and blacked out. I'm up in bed. Snap of fingers, I'm back in bed.

So I asked Dolly about this. I'm like, they gave me the liquid. What is this? This is to prevent, you know, it helps with radiation exposure. It's kind of a medicine, nutrition type thing. So you have radiation, you're exposed to radiation on the craft. Apparently, yep. Through them, perhaps, because,

they might be radioactive themselves. Partially explains their physique and their, you know, why they look the way they do. Yeah, Dahlia can go into more detail about that. Yeah. That was my onboard experience, the best one, fully conscious. Whoa. A birthday present, intentionally, by the way. Four years ago, man.

Yeah. That is like, because you hear about a lot of these cases. And when people describe them, you go, yeah, but you were nine or you were seven or you were four. Do you know what I mean? And after time, not that it has no merit because I think it does. It's just that people, they have a hard time, you know, sitting on 50 plus years of, like, memory and being like, you can't count on that. But this happened four years ago. There is no way that that is just some weird, like, memory trigger. That is, objectively, you were researching UFOs and aliens and E.T.

and then you found yourself on board. Did you have your memories of your previous encounters unlocked after or prior to that? Prior. Prior. I worked hard at it. And I lived a lot of meditation. I need to remember what happened during this missing time. This is driving me crazy.

And I started to remember. How many, so you meditate still regularly? Yeah. What do you use? Do you use like hemisink? I tried hemisink. I didn't like it. Yeah.

It felt like it was forcing the outside. out of body experience. And to me, it feels like it should unfold naturally. And I didn't really need it. At that point, I was already doing it pretty regularly. You're already leaving your body. Yeah. Which, coincidentally, and perhaps not coincidentally,

happened at the same time I started doing UFO research and interviewing so many people who've had contacts with like, oh, yeah, I started having auto body experiences at the same time. I'm like, okay, click, click, click. dots are connecting here. This is blowing my mind. I never talked about, you know, I'm doing a lot of research and people say,

oh, you've had your own encounter. I'm like, yeah, I saw this orb, came down. It took me a while to even realize that was a missing time incident. Yeah. Because I'm like, God, I don't remember driving home. I've had a lot of sightings. I'll write him down.

I'll tell people. That, no, that one slipped by me. Very strange. Very anomalous. Yeah, that would stand out. Because it's easy to say, I don't remember something because, you know, we don't remember most things. But when it's something of that nature, something that you're studying that you take so seriously, you would remember that. So for you to not remember it, that would stand out.

Going, oh, sorry, go ahead. You want to get to the ET agenda now? Well, before we do. I mean, yeah, you want to circle back to OBEs a little bit later? Because I want to, I definitely want to dive into there because I have questions of my own. As you know, I'm exploring this space. as well. I love the OBEs. I could talk forever on those. So let's talk about it. We can save the E. agenda for a little bit later. I feel like there's not much we can do about it anyways.

The OBE stuff is really interesting. As you know, I explained you last night. I had two spontaneous out-of-body experiences back-to-back. A month after interviewing Joe McMonigle, where he talked to me about out-of-body experience, up to that point, I had never heard of it, and it wasn't even in my mind when it happened. Like I had no idea when people said astral travel or out of body, like near death experiences. That's where my head went. And I was like, okay, people floating in the hospital room seeing their body.

That is as far as my head goes. So what happened to me, I was just, I didn't even know what was happening when it had. It took me like several days to be like, was that what I was experiencing, like an out of body? But like you said, like I was researching this stuff when it happened to me. And so that's really strange. But then even stranger is I remember and I documented this as I was meditating for months trying to leave my body, trying to have that epic adventure, willfully doing it instead of some accident, you know. And when it finally happened, I was so excited. I couldn't see anything.

Everything was dark. I was just, I knew, but I knew I was out. Right? There was the vibratory sense. I knew I was out. And I remember in that sort of haze, I wanted to go to Paris for some. I was like, Paris, Paris, Paris, Paris. But as I said it, my voice went like, I can only describe like deep like the devil. It was like, Paris, Paris, Paris. It was like the darkest. And it scared the crap out of me hearing my own voice. And I said this to you yesterday at dinner. And you go, oh, yeah, me too. That happened to you. You had the same. You had the same. same in the beginning yeah in the beginning stages that happened a couple of times several actually it's the weirdest thing i've tried to talk and come up blah la la la la i'm like what the heck can i not talk i had a hard time in the beginning learning how to see yes how to move everything was fuzzy for me at first like low saturated almost like a black and white yeah for me how it unrolled was in 1984, my mom passed away, 49, pretty darn young, major heart attack, devastated, of course,

because I don't believe in life after death. We never talked about it in my family. I thought everyone was skeptical of all this stuff. Some weren't. They were kind of hiding. But two weeks later, I see her ghost, her spirit at the service. My dad's driving up in the car, and I see her sitting next to him and drives right up. I am right there. And she's, you know, she's got a great posture. She's always, you know, tell him, sit up straight. And I had people on either side of me, of course, and I'm looking at them, and they're not saying anything. And I'm not going to say anything, because I don't believe in this. I think I'm hallucinating. You know, I've never taken hallucinogenics. I've never really hallucinated. So, but that's what I'm thinking, because I can see her full color.

And she kind of pixelates away. I'm like, well, I've lost my mind. I'm clearly delirious with grief. This is my secret. I'm never telling anybody because, you know, it doesn't look good on me. Yeah. And that's the first weird experience. You know, I did have a few paranormal experiences as a young kid, but that's an aside.

Well, anyway, about a year after she died, I started waking up in my room because she would walk in. And I thought I was sitting up in bed. I'm like, Mom, you're dead. What the, what is going on? And she'd just kind of smile at me and say, it's okay. You know, I'm okay. That happened 10 times, 20. Each time, and then I would wake up for real.

So false awakening. And now looking back, I'm like, oh, these were probably pre-lucid or OBEs that I wasn't clicking to. And it got me interested in dreams, lucid dreaming, which I pursued and couldn't really do it. And then I found Robert Munroyd. I'd like to give Robert Monroe a big thanks here because he really helped me a lot. His book, Journeys Out of the Body. I love his books.

Yeah, same. But I read his book. I'm like, wow, this guy did it. He's clearly honest. Mapping it out. I'm like, this is crazy. This sounds a little scary, actually, but he's like, you can do this. All you have to do.

And he gave little exercises, relaxing and stuff like this, meditation. I'm like, okay. Because that's the kind of research I am. I went ghost hunting. I saw ghosts. You know, I went big foot hunting. I had a big foot experience. You know, I'm looking for UFOs.

I had those. I'm like, okay, OBE is that? This is something I can stink my teeth into. I can do this. Because it's a natural human talent. You know, this is not something that only yogis can do. Anyone can do this. And he gave the exercises and I doubled down.

I meditated an hour a day. And immediately my dream recalled and tripled and tripled and quadrupled. I started having pre-lucid dreams. I'll never forget my first actual OB. I go into my room. I'm a little depressed. A lot's going on. I'm in college.

My car's not working. I've got this UFO thing. I'm trying to handle. And now I'm like, you know, still dealing with my mom's death. So it's a lot going on for a young man. I need to move out at this point. Because, you know, I'm still living at home. So, you know, a lot's going on.

and I lay down on my stomach and all of a sudden I feel the vibrations. Robert Monroe talked, it'll be a mild electric shock. It was mild. I was absolutely sure I had stuck my finger in the light socket next to my bed because I was being electrocuted. And suddenly there was this pop and I flew out of my body. I'm flying on control out of the room, across the hallway and into the bathroom. I finally managed to stand up and I grabbed the counter and I'm looking in the mirror.

there's nobody there. I'm out of body. This is real. There is life after death. This is amazing. It's a whole, in that one second, my life changed. And I got so excited, whoosh, right back into my body. There was someone in my room, by the way.

Some five foot tall, maybe four foot. I'm like, who's the, what? My vision's so cloudy, I can't see. And I'm, you know, horizontal, and I drop back into my body. I jump up, like, feeling really good now. Like, I did it. You got a complication. Yeah.

So I did that the next weekend, same darn experience. Third time, I wake up and I'm standing next to my bed in the middle of the night. I'm like, oh, I'm so dizzy. You know what's going on? I'm disoriented and I shake my head. I'm like, oh, okay, what am I doing standing next to my bed? And I look down and there's my body. So now I'm thinking I'm dead.

I died. This was probably not a good idea. I dive back in and I had to wiggle into my body. I'm like, oh my God, this is taking, where's my arm? It scared me. Yeah. It did. And I woke up and I almost forgot it.

I came that close to forgetting it. But from that point on, I'm like, okay, I'm in, I'm all in. I'd pop out. I'd be like, I did it. Woosh, right back in. Yeah. Took me a year to just relax enough to calm down. I'm okay.

And then I would be floating in the middle of my room like a spider arm. I'm like, this is not working. Finally, I learned just think. I'd go through the door or the ceiling, fly up over the house. I slowly explored, learned to get farther away from the house. And I wanted to see my mom is what I really wanted to do, because this is why I wanted to do it. Like, is there life after death?

And eventually she came and we hugged. And it was the most amazing reunion you can imagine. And eventually, you know, I popped down, I'm like, mom, where are you? You know, I'm here. Meeting you halfway. Where are you? And she appeared, looking young. And you should see me out of body.

You know, I'm mostly involved. I had great hair when I was young. I used to get compliment. And, you know, I worked out. I'm buff. Oh, man, I look good if I say so myself. How do you know that you look good? You can see.

You're like, oh, yeah. And you can create a mirror. Yeah. Oh, you can make one. Oh, yeah. You can create anything you want once you get good at it. You can just, the thoughts are things. Yeah.

You can create. It's like instant manifest. Yeah. That's how I felt too. When it happened to me, it was a little scary. It was very scary. It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, the OBEs, because there is a clear, a sense of careful what you think about.

Yeah. And it was like I knew that instantly. And as soon as it happened to me, the first thought was, I want to go into a UFO and see an alien. This is the first thought that I had, but it was such a micro second. And right away, I was, I negated it. I said, no, no, no, I'm not ready for that. That's too scary. And I knew that if I did, that that might have happened.

And so that realization hit me within like a fraction of a second that careful now, whatever you want, you're going to get. And if it's good or bad, you're going to get it. And so I was like very cognizant of this. And I describe it as like walking a tightrope of fear of like, I just got to stay on this tightrope. And I literally one foot in front of the other. I got blinders on.

I do not want to look over there for fear of seeing something I don't want to see. And I'm just walking straight and narrow and talking to myself being like, oh my God, it's happening. Okay, just calm down. and just, I'm doing this. And, and, you know, as I told you, I hear this, like, female voice being like, what are you doing? And that just skit. Disconcerting.

Did not want to hear that. Please don't talk to me. And I went right back to my body. And that was the last time. It's safe. You should know. I mean, it's as safe as sleeping. You're doing it every night.

I know that, though. But there's the difference between that and then as soon as you're in. And it's like, and you're in the upside down. And now you're like, oh, my God. Like, it's terrifying. Well, it's called the emotional body as well. And your emotions come in full forth. Yeah.

When I say I was excited, I'm kind of downpointed. Yeah. I was beyond excited. And when you're afraid, it's biofeedback kind of doubles, doubles, doubles. And you're like, ah. Yeah. And I would get really angry sometimes. I was ready to wreck the place.

Whoa. I would get overcome with lust. And I could go into that, but it's too X-ray. Yeah, yeah. But I dealt with that. Yeah. And I would create feasts. I'd get hung.

I would create feasts of food. Always the same. I create my favorite foods. Chicken nuggets, brownies, sour cream, onion potato chips, Neapol and ice cream, a glass of orange juice. And it would just all up here on a table. And I'd just gorge. Which disappears right around here.

You can't get full. So I can kind of understand what, you know, a hungry ghost is. That's a term. Or people who die who are addicted to something. You cannot. Can't feed it. You cannot satisfy it. But I got through all of that.

eventually. My mom took me to the other side where it's more beautiful than words can describe. The green, everything sparkles. It's all radiating light from within. You can't be in a good mood if you wanted to. There's no way. It is literally, you know, I'm not a religious guy, but it's the heavenly realms. I'll take that.

So you can't be in a bad mood if you want to. Right. Okay. No. Now, there are lower realms. I've explored those. Okay. Those are dark.

So you've done quite the exploration. So you've done... I've gotten good at it. I bought every book I could find. This became a big part of my life. It's like discovering a whole new world. It's like once you're in, you're in. Like, this isn't...

I don't know why everyone isn't doing this. It's the same feeling I had when it happened to me. I was like, I need to tell everyone about this. It would change your life. Yeah. There's... I think that's part of like the Monroe Protocol too, right? Robert Monroe had this, was it called like the T-1,000 or something like that, or the M-1-000 or he wanted

a thousand people or 10,000 people, I forget what the number was, to experience an OBE because he believed that if you had an OBE, if everyone had an OBE, there would be no more wars. Yeah. And I believe that. I truly do. If everyone felt that feeling, it changes the lens with which you view reality. Yeah. It exploded my psychic abilities.

I started having telepathy. I knew what people were thinking at work. I'm like, you're lying to me. I could hear them talking. You know, they'd be talking to me. They're thinking something else. And it gets garbled. I'm like, what did you just say?

Because I'm hearing something else. I mean, it's crazy. I started having precognition. Yeah. Dreams that come true. Visions driving to get some money out of the bank, right? I'm like, God, this vision is coming to my head of someone standing in front of the ready teller.

And he's a six-foot-tall guy in a leather vest, you know, bare-chested, long hair down to here, and he's whipping it around like a maniac. What the heck? You know, why is this coming to my mind? This is insane. And I come around the corner of the bank, and there, of course, he is right in front of the ready teller

doing exactly what I saw. I'm like, okay, I'm not going, but I got the message. I'm not going to get cash out of that ready-teller. Because this guy was dangerous, clearly. But a lot of stuff like that. It's crazy. It's insane.

So it ramps up your psychic abilities and I'd come back. I'd feel what people were feeling. I had to be careful. I couldn't watch violence on movies. It was just too much. I felt that way after the Monroe Institute, after coming back from the, spending a week doing the gateway process.

Have you been there? No. You should go. I would have loved to do it. At the time, I didn't have the time or the money. Yeah. I'm pretty sure, like, because you're in this field and have an audience and everything else, they would probably, like, I don't want to speak for them, but I'll speak for them. I'm pretty sure they would do it for free. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think they should anyways. I think you should definitely, because I feel like you would be also, because there are teachers and stuff there too, coaches. I feel like you'd have a lot of input based on your experience. I'll be fun. I teach people how to do this now. I've got a little two-page guide I put together. Really? Oh, yeah. Can we link that? For the audience, because I'm sure a lot of the audience is going to be really into that.

I always tell people, just email me. Preston, UFO, easy to remember, gmail.com. Perfect. And it's two pages. I've really narrowed it down. There's ways to do this. Of your steps. Yeah.

There's only four obstacles preventing people from doing this. Fear. People, it freaks them out. Skepticism, oh, I don't think I'm going to do it. Ignorance. They have no idea. You know, it's applied knowledge. That's all it is.

And laziness. I tell people the steps. They don't do them. You do these steps. I almost guarantee you will start having these experiences. I can't guarantee it, of course. But some people have a steep learning curve. They're really afraid.

I've told people like, you can do this. Come to my seminar. They come to the seminar. I already did it. All you have to do is even know about it sometimes. Yeah. But I can't recommend it enough. You can visit your past lives, enlightened masters.

That is crazy. Healing temples. Oh, the stuff you can do is just crazy. Secret schools kind of classes to do telekinesis. All those superhuman powers, you're there. You're flying. You're doing telepathy. You're doing telekinesis.

Healing, that's a big part of it. I was taken to heal people occasionally. Like real people? Yeah. People that were in hospitals and stuff? One, what's my sister? A couple of people, I have no idea who they are. I started. Were you with anybody when this happened or were you alone?

No. Oh, they guided me. Yeah. I'm almost always alone by the way. Robert Monroe, she's got his guide. I'm like, what the heck? Occasionally I would have guides, but usually no. And they brought you to heal people. Now, that's interesting because you have a whole, you know, was it your first book? Was the 300 cases of healing extraterrestrials? It's very fascinating. It was 100 in my first I reissued it because I found every time I speak, someone would come up from, like, this is more common than people realize. You're going to get a lot of that after this. I guarantee you. You'll have enough to write 10 books after this interview.

There's going to be a lot of people, I'm sure, that are going to reach out with these stories. Well, the healing is absolutely, and I can say this, hands down, this is not speculation. It's a part of the ET agenda. This is why people are being pulled on board for one reason, certainly.

Because people are, if you're going to get on an onboard experience, you're almost certainly going to be examined. And this is so scary for people. I understand. These are aliens and you're like, I can't move, what's going on? This is crazy. Evil, evil, evil.

Well, actually, you know, they're saying to you right now, don't be afraid. No harm will come to you. First thing that every time people are taking on board, they will say that without exception. And this is when people, if you're panicking and you're in complete fear, that you're probably going to have a missing time, and that's all you're going to remember.

And yeah, it's a negative experience. You can call the E.T.'s evil. Actually, I've interviewed, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people. About 5%, three will say, oh, they were evil. They were there to hurt me. The very worst I hear is this exam, occasionally painful,

but you can touch a person, and if they're afraid, ah, you heard me, you know what I mean? So I think one of the main reasons that people are being on board is a physical checkup because they will often heal you. One of my first cases, the lady was healed of an ovarian or cyst in her phallopian tubes. Well verified. She went to the doctors and they're like, oh my God, you had an operation.

This was the day before she was supposed to have her operation. Brays came to her room. And so she goes to the doctor and like, well, we can't find the surgery. It looks like you have had an operation. Where did you go? She's like, she played dumb. But they said, well, there's fluid here in your fallopian tube. We know you've had an operation.

This looks like a laser scar. And my God, this is not the only healing case I've heard of. Whoa. Because there's, Jacques Valet had a very famous case of a medical doctor in France, who was healed of ax wound on his foot and partial paralysis in the Algerian War. instantly thought of that police officer that's Robert Good and Deputy McCoy

Damon, Texas. They're driving in their patrol car. UFOs there. Sends down the beam of light, heals him of a wound on his finger. His son's baby pet alligator had bitten him and healed it instantly. I'm thinking of all these other cases, a case in Brazil of a little girl healed of cancer, Ralph and Judy Bloom wrote about a case of a Peruvian customs official who's on his veranda,

UFO, shines out a beam of light, cures him of rheumatism and weirdly myopia, nearsightedness. Crazy stuff. So I started, I'm going to write an article about this. Because I've got my own case, and here's a few, but this subject hadn't gotten any attention, really. There was one article written before mine. That was by Gordon Creighton, of the... the flying saucer review. Yeah.

And so I found that. But I found like 30, 40 cases off the bat. I'm like, wow, this, I can't write an article about this. This is a book. I dug in, I found 100 cases. Not 300. Yeah. And I can tell you this, almost every major researcher out there has cases.

Yeah. David Jacobs, he's not thrilled with the ETs. Yeah. You know, fine. But he's got a case of someone cured of diphtheria. I found her case. And she's like, well, he misrepresented it a little. bit. My encounter was actually really nice. She loved it. So there was some fitting it into that threat

narrative on David's behalf, you think? Yeah. I mean, I love him. He's a great researcher. Anyone who enters this field, kudos. I'm very happy to see that. Yeah. Because he helped a lot for the subject. But Bud Hopkins, he never wrote about it. I'm cornered him in a convention. I'm like, bud, do you have healing cases? And it's like, well, actually, yeah. We've got quite a few, and I'm really encouraged. You know, this shows a good side of the ETs. Yeah, that's... But let's see, John Mack, Barbara Lamb, Yvonne Smith, Edith Fiori, Tim Beckley, Brett Steiger,

I mean, Michael Hesseman, RD6 Killer Clark. You name and research, I bet you, they have a case. If they're focusing on the onboard experiences in particular, they all have them. And Orbs, too, just coming in and heal and... people and in hospitals specifically, there's a lot of cases of that of just these orbs coming in over people and just healing them. Insane. Yeah.

Any UFO researcher knows an encounter can happen anywhere. Yeah. You know, crowded suburb doesn't matter. But in a hospital? Yeah. You're kidding me. I found about 10 to 15%, maybe up to 20, took place in a hospital room. Really well-verified cases, some of these.

Yeah. Multiple sightings. Like multiple people. multiple witnesses. Yeah. And so, yeah, I can see how easy it is to conflate that with miraculous religious events. Yeah. I see how that ties in.

And I see why maybe some researchers might be a little reticent or reluctant to want to discuss the healing stuff because it does seem to cross over into the religious dogmatic spectrum. You know, we look at cases like Chris Bledsoe, a very famous case as of late, and clearly some healing elements there not only with the ETs, but specifically with Chris himself. Not unusual, by the way. Not unusual, yeah. We had Eric Dan Steele, who was here who said that him as a child in the hospital healed another boy after an encounter with an orb. And so, yeah, I can see why people would be a little pulled back from that topic. Well, look at it this way. When this subject became popular, most UFO researchers wouldn't even touch the humanoid cases.

That took a while to bleed into mainstream research. Right. You mean like the Space Brothers type? At all. Yeah. Donald Keyhope wouldn't touch humanoid cases. Yeah, right. Which, you know, I understand it was a new subject and the last thing you want to do is bringing the woo.

But crash retrievals, no one would touch those either. And now it's the forefront of research. And really the heart of the UFO phenomenon is, to me, first-hand contact cases. Same. Because that's where everything we know, let's face it, about ETs, comes from one source. And that's the people who've seen them. I don't trust the government on this subject. These recent disclosures, you know, what, three days ago?

I looked at the films. I'm like, really? Yeah, they're lackluster at best. Let's see the Air Force, where was Edwards Air Force Base Landing? Cooper was there when it was filmed. He saw the film. They have that. Let's see that.

Yeah. Come on. Yeah. When Bray and Moultrie, the heads of the defense guy said, oh, we know nothing about Roswell. Malmstrom, what's that? Come on. Yeah, exactly.

You're the heads of defense and you don't know the Bob. You got the Bob Jacobs video, like all that stuff. Where's that? Yeah. I haven't gone through all the files. I've been released, but I looked at the films, like, I knew it. I predicted this. We're going to see more fuzzy dots, and we did.

Yeah, pictures and videos of amorphous objects behaving, behaving prosaically. The files, some of them are interesting. I went through them, but they're mainly just sort of, some of them are interesting. I've got to say because, like, they expound upon, they expand a lot of the cases that are out there already. The Lonnie's and Morse stuff. So there's like his whole thing. Then there's like, you know, the guy who he radioed into. And like, so it adds a little bit more to some of these cases.

Even there are, I think four other people around the same time that Kenneth Arnold had his sighting that recorded discs as prior to Roswell. Right. So it's all in and around that area. I think that was pretty cool. But again, like you said, I'm not holding my breath. They promise more, but that's what their MO is. They have gun camera footage. Yeah. We know this. If you talk to Frank Faschino, his book, shoot them down. Yeah.

That kind of lays it out in black and white. You know, they've got plenty of footage that we're not seeing. Yeah. I mean, we've seen footage from these aircraft of missiles that are clear as day, that are like the best footage you'll ever see. It's 8K footage. Yeah. I mean, some of these whistleblowers I was talking about, they've seen these footage. Where's that? Yeah. And they talk about how there's symbols on the craft that they can read. And I'm like, well, you've got to have pretty good cameras for this. that. Sure enough. We're not seeing that. Yeah.

Either it doesn't exist. They're making it up or they have it and they're not sharing it, right? Yeah. Well, here's the way I look at it. You know, we think of the government as three, you know, separation of powers. We've got judicial, we got legislative, we have the executive branch. That's not the government. The real government is the intelligence agencies, the military industrial complex.

I'll name names. I think it's the energy industry. the banking industry, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry. These are the folks, I think, are behind it. That is the government. And the highest levels of the military. That's who's running the one percenters. Yeah.

There is a cabal. There's no doubt in my mind. So those are the ones I think who are behind the cover up, ultimately. Yeah. It's very hard to pin down, you know, because you can't use the Freedom of Information Act on these folks. No. No, and there's a rotating door of this sort of fraternity. of these people where they're in and out of these positions into another one. They go from, you know, one government contractor. They go from Northrop Grumman to S-A-I-C to like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. In these, they're just constantly rotating doors at the top. And very few, very few of these people.

I think there's some people in the loop who are within government. Oh, yeah. Who are bad actors. I think you have to be. Yeah. If you're controlling this. But I don't know. It's, it's, that's not my specialty. I'm more into the whole contact-ee thing. I am as well. But I can tell you for sure that healing is part of it. And here's what's also really interesting. Because the UFO phenomenon was, it's historical. We know this.

It goes way back to, you know, ancient India. I mean, stone carvings. It goes back to when we recorded history. And you can see this all the way through the Middle Ages and upward. The Romans call them flying shields, so forth. We know it goes way back. But 1947, something changed. and this coincides, of course, exactly with the atomic age

when this huge super wave sweeps across the U.S. and people start getting pulled on board. And we can pretty much predict what's going to happen when someone's taken on board. They're going to be physically examined. And if you don't freak out, if you can just remain calm, they will talk to you. And almost always, Thomas Bullard outlined this.

He was the first guy to readily study 300-some cases. and this is what happens. And he's absolutely right. They will give you a tour of the craft. Every time. And it's the coolest thing. I've had it. I've talked to a lot of people.

They will take you down to what we would call the engine room. The UFOs don't have much in them. But they will show you this, you know, how they fly or what powers their craft, which is almost always something to do with electromagnetics, free energy, anti-gravity, harnessing the magnetic field lens, our planet. People give different variations of this, I think, depending on their own understanding and what they could grasp. But that's absolutely, probably one of the first things that happen. Then they'll take you to what I would call the observation deck, the side of the craft,

and they'll open it up, and most people will see the earth below. Or no way. The first would be a star field. They'll show you the stars. Then they'll show you the Earth. Then they'll show you the moon. We've got a number of cases of people shown Saturn, which is so cool. It's a very recognizable planet, but they will take you even to other planets. So that's pretty consistent, I would say. That's the best word. Yeah, but then they show you something else a lot of times. I mean, there's all kinds of things that can happen.

I mean, you know, from what I've gathered too is like almost without fail, you'll be shown or told something like terrible. Like a lot of times, there'll be images of like very bad things happen. to the planet. Well, that's the next thing. The conference is what Thomas Bullard called it. And they will start often with your own personal life. Like, oh, you're going to meet this person. You need to move from this area. You're in a good place. You need to do this, do that. Or this is going to happen to you personally. And then they will start talking about the world in general. And yeah, the messages are incredibly consistent. Four main areas. And I don't care you're talking about grays, mantids, little blue beings, tall whites,

strange humanoid of all kinds, because there's an endless variety of what I would call ethnicities. I'm not sure there are different species personally, because the ETs will say it over and over again. That's one of the messages, we are you, like I said, you are us. But they will, the first thing, nukes. They don't like them. They say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of.

We're on the pathway to self-destruction. This is a bad idea. They know where all of the bases are, all the missiles. They will almost always mention the dangers of nuclear proliferation in any capacity, nuclear material. And beyond that, it would be war and aggression. They're very much concerned about how we treat ourselves and each other. Pollution in the destruction of the environment. Those are the three main areas right there.

Greed and corruption. That does come up also. But basically, and this is very encouraging. to me. Because people are like, oh, they're evil, they're evil, you know, they're trying to take over our planet. I'm like, I don't know. This seems to me that they're much more concerned about how we're treating our planet,

ourselves, each other, because that message is very consistent. And if you're a full on contact, they're going to sit you in the pilot seat at some point. I'm like, would you like to try it or let's go for a ride? they seemed to be very interested in elevating people's, I'll use that word elevating, enhancing, encouraging people's psychic abilities. Because it's a rare contactee that isn't having mediumship,

precognition, astral projection, remote viewing, healing, the whole spectrum. And here's something really interesting that kind of shocked me because I'm looking at these healing cases. I'm like, all these people are. being healed. Come on, I could use a healing. Millions of people out there are dying. You know, aren't they being healed? Why don't they just hand over the technology? Of course, that would be a huge mistake. We weaponize everything. And everyone got healed. Well, we already have a problem

with population control. But, okay, who's being healed? Who's being healed and why? Who's being contacted and why? Well, we know it's generational. That's absolutely established. And, And there's a random aspect, too. If you're driving on a highway late at night, opportunistic almost. ETs, there's so many people who've had that. It's a one-off for them, which is so rare. Because most people, if you're being taken on board,

probably had experiences as a child. But I was interviewing this lady from Norway. She heard about my healing research. She's like, I got to tell you what happened to me. It's the craziest thing. I was in my bedroom and Greys came through the wall. I could see this blue-lo. outside. She said it was so scary. They flipped me over like a rag doll. She was screaming at them. Like,

what are you doing here? Didn't answer. Maybe she wasn't a lot of fear because I think they will talk to you. But if you're in fear, it's hard to communicate. You're not hearing it. Yeah. But she says that they put this thing on my back and she described it. You know what like a lint remover looks like? A little handle with a cylinder? I've heard people describe this. And that's what she described. She says, they put it on my back. And I felt this pulse of energy and they filed out through the wall. She ran to the window and the blue light winked out. So a short experience, three, five minutes. And I'm like, okay. And she's, they healed my back. I'm like, oh, I've got 20 cases of back healings, right? Stomach eggs, cut fingers, colds, flus, everything from cancer to liver disease, kidney disease.

Arthritis. I can name it diabetes, tuberculosis. pretty much this long list that's growing. Backs. I mean, they're going to come from light ears or wherever to heal someone's back. Okay, I mean, they are. So whatever. But she describes this.

I'm like, okay, let's go through the list. Because there's 20 questions I ask people. Well, more, but, you know, main things to see if you're a contactee. Childhood experiences? Nope. Do you have, you know, light sensitivity? Have you seen arms? UFO is missing time?

No, no, no, no. She had none of this. I'm like, okay, this is odd. She's not showing the markers of a contact tea. And so I'm like, okay, I started asking, you know, the hard questions says I got better at this, you know, do you do drugs? What's your political affiliation? You know, just random questions looking for patterns because that's my specialty. I love finding patterns. And finally, she's like, well, you know, I asked her, what do you do for a living? And she's like, I'm an art, I was a graphics artist. I'm like, well, that's kind of interesting. I've interviewed quite a few artists. but she says, actually, you know, I'm retired, and I don't want you to use my name because I'm pretty well known in my community.

I work as human or human and animal rights activism. That instantly rang about because I had just interviewed Reverend Michael Carter. Don't know if you're familiar with him. He's pretty well known in this field. He's written some books, had experiences. He was healed of a blood clot in his leg, a dangerous condition. He was awarded by President Clinton, I think, for his work against racism. I thought, oh my God, there's John Hunter Gray, social worker.

He had a major healing event. I started clicking, click, click, click, click. Jacques Follet's case, that was a medical doctor. Ray Hernandez had a case involving a doctor. Nurses. I'm like, oh, my God, okay, people who are doing good work for humanity in some capacity. These are the ones being healed. They're healing the healers.

Yeah. Well, I mean, let's see, I found doctors, nurses, writers, teachers, artists too, right? Artists, musicians. They love musicians. They love musicians. It's crazy. But animal rights activists, environmentalists.

They interviewed this couple who was in Sedona. They said, no, we weren't abducted. We were invited on board. They were human-looking. There was nothing in the craft. You know, all the stories you hear. And she asked, he was healed of a carpal tunnel syndrome in a bad. and he was a postal worker and did too much walking.

I'm like, okay, she's an herbalist, herbal healer, and he is a social worker. They live on Hawaii, and he helps out. And she asked him, like, why don't you just come down and fix everything? I'm like, we can't do that. You have to solve your own problems. I've heard that a million times. Same, yeah. And they said, well, why did you contact us?

And they said, well, we're helping those who help others. we can only intervene to a limited degree. And like one lady, she had a car accident. The ETs told her, well, you basically died in this accident. We're healing you. We can't heal everything because some of these are karmic. You chose this. As a lesson?

Yeah. So that might be why some people are being healed and others aren't. Right. I don't know. Yeah, maybe a bigger plan. But there's a lot going on here. You know how many rabbit holes are on this. It is astounding, but nonetheless, I think each one of them deserves all the attention.

And that's part of the fascinating thing about this stuff. It does seem like a giant untapped well of information. And it's exciting, but it's also kind of disappointing, you know, because as researchers were like, no, there's a sea of information here. I can't go through everything. It's impossible. No. And just the magazines we were talking about yesterday.

And those magazines have gold in them. Like there's cases in there that were written down once and never, you know, to be spoken about again. And you would find some of the, you know, some of the answers you're looking for in these cases. And just to dig them up and to find them, it's so time consuming. We were talking about David Marler and, you know, his, you know, UFO sort of archive. there's so much there, so much to look through, not enough boots on the ground, not enough people doing it.

People have no idea, the general public has no idea how common this is. Yeah. On how much evidence there is. It's so common. It's funny, I heard a quote from Gailen-Hannick, one in 40 people have been taken on board. Very, I'm like, you're, no, that's, you're crazy.

Yeah. And I thought, well, I started surveying all the major researchers and, you know, but, was it Bud Hopkins, who called it an invisible episode? And Jacques Valais, like, well, you know, there's millions of cases. There's far more. So I wrote this article for the Mufant Journal called 1 in 40, which basically, you know, big quotes from Whitley Streber and all the major researchers.

This is more common than we realize. Yeah. And it was one year later in 1991, the Roper poll came out. Major polling organization. Yep. They found 1 in 50. Yeah. The editor of the Mufon Journal wrote me back.

It's like, you predicted this. I'm like, well, no, I didn't. But it was timely. But when I heard that, I'm like, God, I must know somebody. And mostly benevolent as well, mostly like good experiences. Yeah, I mean, that's a tricky, very controversial. I'm not going to gaslight someone who says, oh, my experience was horrible. How dare you say that this was for my good.

Yeah, no, mostly good, though. Yeah. Yeah. By a vast majority. It's a bit of a mixed bag in the beginning. Yeah. Because almost all these people will have some form of PTSD, you know, nightmares, insomnia. Yeah. It's difficult for people. It is very scary. But we're very fear-based on this planet.

And what I see is a very set pattern of evolution. If you embrace your contacts, you know, and you really want to find out almost all these people kind of come full circle at some point. Like, well, I was healed. I did have a spiritual awakening. My psychic abilities are off the charts. They gave me these warnings. I followed their guidance. And I've had a few people say, oh, this was horrible. I mean, one guy's convinced they're demonic. I talked to him. He was up what we would call my lap. He admits it. He worked at a Pendleton. Shame on those folks.

That keeps coming up. People went to Pendleton, come out with a, not okay. And they hypnotized him. They gave him drugs. He had this weird reptilian experience that I still don't know if it's true or not. Because he was a full-on, great contact. He had wonderful experiences.

And those are the people. who are targeted by these nefarious government folks. Into believing that it's evil. Yeah. So, no, I don't think that they're here to hurt us, harm us. I'm not going to say this is all puppies and rainbows. Because people will come at me like, oh, you're an alien apologist. I'm like, no, hold on a second.

I'm trying to be very objective. I'm reporting the facts. This is what people think. This is their experience. I'm not putting words into their mouth. You know, if you look at my books, they're largely quotes from the witnesses because I want them to tell their story. It's not my story. It's theirs.

So you think the MyLab stuff, which is like, you know, the militaries, for those of you wondering, it is the military pretending to abduct people, but with a sort of evil ulterior motive, basically sciopping people. into thinking they're being abducted by evil aliens. That's like the whole MyLapse thing, right? Yeah, I thought it was pretty rare. I'm kind of starting to realize, like, this could be a bigger problem than I originally thought. There are many cases of military involvement with some abductions. Yeah.

Like, you look at abductions. They were like, oh, they took us to a field where we'd play and with these other kids, but there were guards around with guns. And you go, wait, what? Like with ETs? Like, that doesn't make any sense. It's really hard to unpack some of this stuff because that's another question I'll start asking people. Do you have military in your family?

You know, is anyone in intelligence? Is there a military base? A pattern there. A little bit, yeah. But if, I don't know, a lot of people have military in their family. That's right. I have relative my great-grandfather, my grandfather and my great-grandfather were colonels. No, from that point, we're, well, my nephew, he's in the military.

Yeah, but intelligence seems to be one of those things, like whether you look at the story of, you know, Harold Malmgren, which feels like he was kind of guided into these synchronistic sort of moments of his life, really key moments, where he then found himself at the right place, at the right time, you know, and then... I think a lot of people who are contactees are in these... And I think that's intentional. I'm part of the ETs to sort of perhaps do what they can. From the inside. Yeah. It's interesting that lady I told you about at work. It was like, oh, my daughter's having encounters with Grays.

So I talk to her sister. You know, I like to dive deep. You need character references. Her father's an intelligence. We'll not say what he does. Never did find out. The wife doesn't know. Nobody knows what he does.

So I wonder about that. You wonder if there is a dark side of this stuff. It's unfortunately very human. Yeah, I'm worried about the government folks more than the ETs. It's, yeah. Let's face the ETs have been around forever. Are there evil ETs out there? Probably, look at us.

You know, we're not that great. We're living beings on a planet. Are they visiting us? I don't know that I believe that. There are, remember the Brazilian face peelers? Yeah, the Brazilian face peelers, but also, uh, Kalaris. Yeah, well, I'm wondering if that's sort of a precursor to the false flag. some of this.

You know, we are flying this stuff around. Yeah. From what I understand. But if you look at, like, major waves of sightings, in France, 1954, huge wave of sightings, landings, humanoids, if you look into the timing of that, I started looking into the timing of UFO events. Dolly, she's like, you need to really start looking at the dates of some of these incidents and see what's going on in the world.

So I started doing that. That's when we were allegedly discovered. covering anti-gravity. CERN was put into place right in that area. At that time, this is to me a huge message. The Topanga Canyon UFO wave, June 14, 1992 to 94. June 14, 1992, there was an environmental summit meeting in Europe. Remember the Farmington wave, St. Patrick's Day?

Oh, yeah, right by Aztec. Yeah. Yeah, 200, a fleet of like 200 saucers? I looked that up. That day they announced that they had just discovered artificial radioactive element, California. Whoa. Okay. That very day. Are these connected? I don't know. Well, I mean, could be. And I think it's interesting, too, because I think it was Howard Menzel was, like, right at the scene immediately, which for me is a big red flag when you're, like, sending that guy around to, like, say, oh, it's St. Donald Menzel. Oh, Donald Menzel is right now, Howard Mansell. Yeah. And they send him along. And then they go, oh, yeah, everybody is.

drunk. It was St. Patrick's Day and that was mylar balloons that were exploding in the atmosphere for two days, you know. A big one releasing smaller ones. Yeah, exactly. A red one. And yeah, very strange. I spent, I spent some time with the Ramses out. Love that. Yeah, they're amazing

people. I love them so much. They spent so much of their own money. Half a million dollars and more. Half a million plus. Just researching. People think, oh, you're in this for the money. I got a few books out there. I'm not rich. You don't make a whole, no, no. Some do. Yeah. Whitley did pretty well with the communion.

Sure. But he was, the timing of that was perfect. Yeah, but when you look into researchers, like, first of all, the Ramses make their money elsewhere. They got a root beer company. They got like, I'll start to. I work full time. Are you kidding? Yeah. And so, but the work that they did was so substantial. And they're coming out with the new book. They're, I think their final book, but like, they keep adding to it because they're like more stuff that keeps coming out about this case. Frank Scully wrote about it and they, God, they debunked him so bad. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and that was a good book. It was. Yeah, a lot of Easter eggs in that book. And William Steinman put UFOs of Rastek and proved that. Yeah, Gabauer and. And Newton, Silas Newton. They were absolutely framed. Yeah.

He got it down. I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. And people are like, no, those guys were like snake oil salesmen. You're like, no, they weren't. They were very successful, actually. One of them was like a real estate tycoon, and the other one had like oil money. Like they had a lot of money these guys.

It was a very effective method to quash any research into crash retrievals. Yep. And thank God for Marcel finally coming apart in Stanton Friedman breaking that story. Yep. Because that opened the door for, there's a lot more crash retrievals, I think, even within the public, the UFO community people realize. Definitely. If you were to, if you were to name like five crash retrievals that you think,

absolutely happened without a doubt, what would they be? Well, Roswell, and another one connected to Roswell. Aztec, the Paradise Valley crash. I wrote a series of books about various states. You know, California, Arizona, they all have them. Colorado, Kingman, New York, Cexburgh. There was one at Greeny Mountain in Colorado that Chris O'Brien looked into. Really?

Raises a lot of questions. Somebody died over that one. Oh, really? I think it happens a lot more than people realize. There's some really interesting California cases. There was a case up in Salinas, I think, in 1947, where this tiny little saucer. And they called it the Air Force and they scooped it up and we never hear from it again. So there's a lot of these little...

Smaller ones. Like you said, these magazines have these jewels in them. I subscribe to the UFO News Clipping Service. thank you Lucius Farrish and Rod Dyke because they really helped I think to for posterity to save these cases and that's been very helpful

in my research but yeah this is a lot more common than people realize Mufon and Newfark they were receiving for years you know 10 20 cases a day talk to any UFO researcher

and they will tell you most people don't report yeah that's right and I'll be very generous in saying it's 1 in 10 because it's closer to 1 in 100 honestly so times that

by 100, 10, 20 cases. Yeah. You know, 1,000 cases a day. Yeah, and you don't have to look further than just, like, your own entourage. Go out and talk to somebody. They'll all of a sudden admit to you something so insane. And, like, you go, wait, I've known you forever. My father before he passed, he also, you know, he was staunch, like, skeptic for all of this stuff.

And he was military. But he was like, nah, you know, very sort of, I don't know, he had a kind of jarhead mentality. It was just like Army, you know, get up, train, do the thing. Yeah, he's been to war. Exactly. You know, he's done all the wars and stuff. And then, you know, he sits me down one day and he goes, I was talking about John Mack to him. Because I always talked to him about this stuff.

And he'd always kind of just go, yeah, I don't know. He doesn't like engaging with it, you know, kind of. Yeah. And, you know, the type. And, but I'm, I'm very pushy, especially with my dad. And I'm like, no, dad, listen, this happened. Um, you're just proof, you know. And I was talking with John Mack.

And he goes, and he's very sympathetic that day. And this was towards the end of his life. And he goes, maybe one day I'll tell you about what happened to me. What? Right? And I go, hold on. Tell me now. And he goes, and you can see he was like a little shaken up by it.

And he goes, okay. And he goes, when I was around nine, I was on a paper route. in Montreal, downtown, and delivering flyers to apartment buildings. And I remember it was like noon. It was beautiful day, summer day. And I opened the door to the apartment complex. I put the newspaper, the flyer into the post, you know, boxes, mailboxes. And he's like, when I went outside, it was pitch black.

It was like 11 p.m. at night. He was like 9. So he had no idea what the hell happened. And he doesn't remember anything. So he goes home. He, you know, suffered a savage beating from his father because his dad was like, you know, where have you been? And he thought he was lying because my dad was, I don't know.

I can't tell you. And he tried to beat it out of him, you know. And my dad was like, I still don't know. And so he's like, that's, I never looked at it since, you know. And my dad had severe PTSD like from war, like very, very severe. So I know a lot of people when they heard me say that story, they were like, ask me if he wants to be regressed. I'm like, not a good idea.

I'm like, not that guy. He does not. He wants to be repressed from what. This is generational. Yeah. There's a sign. Very interesting. Man, oh, man.

Yeah, the whole missing time aspect. Parents out there, if they're listening, listen to your kids. Yeah. Because how many people have I talked to had an experience as young kids? That's when it starts. And we're parents like, it was a dream. Yeah. Maybe not.

Maybe not. But another agenda these ETs are up to is... Well, yeah, I was going to circle back to the agenda because I feel like it's not just healing. No. What else we got going on? 100%. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. A put...

What? Yeah. What do you mean? Okay, I'm on board. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone. Simple. And you can see this. because people, you know, the amount of sightings is off the charts.

I put out a challenge on my YouTube channel. I'm like, name any town, any place on Earth. I don't care how obscure it is. One guy tried to fool me. He's like, I'm going to stump you. Name this town in the Arctic Circle. I can't even pronounce it. It's an Eskimo name.

Yeah. I found a case there. Wow. I've got a list of over a thousand locations. from viewers. And I'm going on the list. I've worked about 200, not quite. Check, check, check.

Every single one of them. People are trying to stump me. Like, this town has 200 people. There's a couple who have stumped me, but I'm not given up yet. Because I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm finding a case in every single one of these places. So what does that tell you?

Either, I mean, first, the main takeaway is it's a lot more common. It's all over the world. But why? Are they doing this on purpose? I think so. Because what we see across the world is every five years or so, maybe three, maybe seven, there will be a major UFO wave. Huge.

I mentioned the French wave of 1954. On the heels of that, I just found out Venezuela had an incredible wave from October to through January of 1954 to 5. I just did a whole outline of it. Really intense. Humanoid's the whole deal.

In November, the second week of November, 1957, there was a rash of sightings and landings and car stallings in particular across the United States and the world.

And here's this weird connection to world events, Sputnik. So I'm thinking there, 1965 was a huge wave, Of course, the Phoenix Lights, Gulf Freeze, Withville, Virginia, Hudson Valley, Topanga Canyon, all across the world are these major waves.

And it's often these little towns kind of near big city centers. But this, I think, is part of their publicity campaign. So you think it's deliberate at their being overt? Yeah. Well, Frank Salisbury wrote the Utah UFO display. He termed, you know, invented the term UFO display. Because generally speaking, let's face it, UFOs are evasive. You know, they're not flying around any old time.

Can't go outside and like, then there's another one. So, but he found all these cases where they were deliberately showing themselves. They're chasing cars down highways. Yeah, or doing like incredible maneuvers for nothing. Like, what are you doing, doing this? So where are you going? You know what really drove it home for me? I'm, you know, I do.

this full time now, but all my spare time was spend on research working full-time. I'd do it on weekends and at night. And I heard about this case in Zimbabwe. I know you know what I'm talking about, the aerial elementary school case. Oh, that's cool. What a great case. Still one of my favorite cases where the UFOs land next to the playground, ETs come out, talked to a few of the kids. A great case. Now we know there was a teacher who actually saw it too. She did not come forward it initially. I thought, God, that's interesting because there's that case in Australia. The Westall

case, 1966. April, right? I thought, wasn't there one in Florida? I had to look it up, Crestview Elementary. One month or one year to that day after Westall. And I'm like,

okay, I'm on to something here. Broadhaven, Wales. Right. I remember that one. I said, same thing. Landed Behind the school, U.T's come out, the kids saw. I love their drawings. Yeah. It's so cool.

And I thought, okay, there was that other famous case in Michigan at the college, Hillsdale College. Now, here's that, this is when it cemented it for me because I was looking into that case. And I really dug deep. That UFO landed. Not a lot of people know that. This didn't just hover there. It landed by the school. It was there for two hours, 87 students, faculty.

Police saw it. This was there a while. This is another display. Jim and Coral Lorenzen, love those folks. There are pioneers. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Said, well, gosh, we've got a lot of schoolyard cases.

We think this is preparation of some kind. Maybe they're going to openly contact humanity. Raymond Fowler, another hero, you know, the Andreas Sinaffair, Alagash abductions, great, thorough, objective researcher. Love him. He's like, I have 15 cases. This is in April, you know, the 1966. He says, I have 15 cases so far this year.

Eight are over schools. So he noticed it. John Keel mentioned it. Like, well, these folks knew it long. No one's talking about this. The Verona is citing as well in Russia. That was another one. Right.

And so that was two weeks before Westall. Right. Oh, wow. They were saying, oh, it's going to happen again. It did. Yeah. So I started looking at this. I'm like, okay, let's dive deep.

Because I had my own schoolyard, a couple of them. You know, a kid was on a Catholic school in Hawtharn and UFOs came down. He was taken from the playground. And I'm like, okay, I looked through the books, or many cases in the, you know, the hundred books I had. Well, let's face it, it's 300. But I started going through the UFO news flipping service, you know, APRO, MUPA, Nightcap, CUPOS, all those UFO reporting centers. I hit gold.

I cried when I started discovering all these cases, because this slid under my radar for decades. I'd been a researcher for a pretty long time. And I found over 100 cases. It's now closer to 2 or 300. And this is so interesting to me, because these cases are daytime. They are coming down very low level.

They're long-lasting. They're putting on a display. Little craft will come out. They'll dart around. Get this. They are landing and or humanites are being seen in full one-third of the cases. Whoa. How, you know, landings are relatively rare compared to sightings.

Yeah, daytime landings on top of that. And half these cases do involve teachers. Half. Yeah. And, you know, some really interesting aspects. half the cases are primary schools, elementary. Kids, you know, there's argument. Our kids, good witnesses.

Of course, they're. Yeah. I think they're great witnesses. I think they're better witnesses the most. Yeah, what I love in mountains, they don't say, oh, it's an angel. It's this, it's up. They're like, well, it was this tiny. Yeah.

It was silver. Two people you can trust to get the truth is a drunk person or a child. Yeah. You know. And you can tell when kids are lying, if you're their parent. Yeah. Certainly. But I've found so many cases.

And they were such clear displays. There's a, I don't know if you knew this, but recently, I think George St. Pierre shared a story on his Instagram, George St. Pierre, he's a famous UFC fighter, but he's very much into this topic. And he started starting his own podcast. He recently spoke to Paul Trim. Ah, Emily Trim. Emily Trim's older brother. Right. Who was there?

Oh, he was. And he was much older than the other kids. And he's got a story. God bless Emily Trim. So sad that she left us. Absolutely. She went forward. She did.

And I think Paul was always pretty reluctant, but I think he's kind of ready to talk about it. And, yeah, so there's, I think there's something coming out there that that'll be pretty. Yeah, I don't want to go too far into anything in case, you know, I don't want to break the story or or say anything. I haven't talked to him. So I would love to talk to him. But I know that George did and Luigi did. Luigi has got a close relationship.

He had a close relationship with Emily, you know, for a long time. And Liesel. I still does with Lysol as well. Yeah. Who was another witness. And she was one of the two girls, you know, Emily and Liesel were the ones that, you know, got right up to the... Yeah, full on. Yeah.

Remember the messages they got? Yeah, same again, yeah. Stop chopping down the forest. There's a good way to use technology in a bad way. You could do better. Exactly. Yeah. What Emily got.

A big warning against technology, which is wild. Because in the 90s, we're like... In Zimbabwe. Like, what are you talking with? Computers? Like, what do you mean? We're playing solitaire on these things. No, it turns out they were right.

Technology was a problem. And we're seeing it now. There was another case from Ray Fowler where the UFOs came down over, you know, some school in Massachusetts. That was his hometown. And it was during a football game. was that night, one of the rare, rare nighttime cases. But a bunch of people saw it. It came down so low over this one woman, she soiled herself. Oh, my gosh. Blue Book called it Venus, by the way, without doing any investigation. Like Venus is going to make someone, you know, that scared. But that

UFO went straight to the nearby college, three miles away and scared the pants off of everyone in the quad there. There's a really interesting timing aspect to these cases. It is a is exactly like an artist or a book, you know, an author or a musician doing a tour. They go from city to city to city to city. There's a plan. Yep. It's very, the timing of this is insane if you started to look at it in the locations. I'm like, okay, I mean, this is clearly organized.

And then, and this is kind of a segue, right? But I started to look, I got this case at work, you know, because we had a high turnover in my office, a terrible place to work. I'm so glad I'm out of there. I was a bookkeeper, basically. I did a full-charge bookkeeping accounting. And they would always bring the new employees to my desk. Oh, a president's a UFO researcher.

If you've got a story, he wants to know. Oh, wow. How generous of them, though. Yeah, I got a lot of great cases from there. I bet. And Claudia Blasios had this amazing story where she was, you know, a young kid, and they were at the Paramount Drive in Theater in 19. I think it was.

Southern California. A UFO shows up. I'm thinking this is unbelievable. I've never heard of anything like this. Comes right down next to the screen. Classic flying saucer, chrome, making a wishing noise. They first noticed it because

suddenly everyone's dropping their drinks, their popcorn, they're running to their cars. Remember the old-fashioned speakers? Yeah. People were driving off and ping, they come right off. Oh, wow. That's how scared they were, right? and she sees her parents, they're hypnotized,

they're looking at this thing. She's like, oh, my God, what's that? And they're like, they stayed there. You know, some people stayed, some people left. They completely forgot about it. Didn't remember it at all until Claudia and her mother were listening to the radio in the kitchen. Some years later, some guy comes on and says, oh, I was at the Paramount Drive-in, and this UFO showed up,

and it was right next thing, and this movie was on. and Claudia turns from her mother, we were there. Do you remember that? Why haven't we talked about this? Her mother's like, oh my God, I don't know. So there's that weird something else going on here. I thought it was a one-off.

Like, wow, thriving theater case. How crazy is that? And then I'm doing UFO research for UFOs over Colorado, this book I'm putting together. And I found one case of UFOs over, driving theater, mile high theater, Dr. Zavago is on, and the UFO shows up. And I'm going through all the databases and found another. I found three in a row. I'm like, well, that's kind of odd. I wonder if there's more of these. So, of course, I scoured the books, found one. And somewhere in

the skies by, oh, God, what is his name? Such a good researcher. He's going to kill me. At any rate, there was one there. And I thought, okay, it was going through the, databases. I hit gold with the UFO news clipping service. There's other news clipping services, the magazines, the journals. I find 100 cases again. My goodness. And this is just like the schoolyard cases in that they're putting on a display.

Yeah, they're seeing a group of people, not too big. It is a controlled size of groups of people, right? Because it's not a stadium. No, it's a captive audience, too. They're all kind of parked. Yeah. You can't. it out if you're in the center. That's a really interesting piece of data. But these are at night, obviously. Yeah.

But in almost every case, they come right down over the screen or either side. Pete Davenport. Hmm. Newfark had an amazing case at a drive-in theater. Really? Yeah. And I started looking into these same darn thing. They're there for a long time.

They're releasing smaller craft. They're darting around. People will flash their lights at it. it flashes back. It's insane. I have to tell you this case, because this one, like, oh, God, here we go, cover up, right?

Right. Because none of these cases were ever declared unexplained by Blue Book, but they knew, and I found the proof. The terrorist drive in 1952, Bakersfield, California, UFO shows up right over the screen.

This one's cigar-shaped. They're usually saucer-shaped, but, you know, you get all shaped, eggs-shaped, spears. right over the screen it flashes its lights, except the audience. It came drop down, flashed the lights, took off. That one was quick in terms of the average sighting. There was two or three hundred people in the audience.

And back then, the press wouldn't ignore you if you were a citizen. But if you were in the military, they'll interview you. There was an officer in the movie audience. And Sheriff Leroy Hatfield starts getting... from people who've seen this thing. He's the closest police station to this drive-in. And after the fourth call, he's like, hang up. You know, I'm going to come down there.

So not thinking that anyone's going to still be there, but there's a hundred people still there and they're gibber-gabbering about this. And he gets 20 testimony. They're lining up. They're like, I want to talk about it. He's like, no, no, I got enough. I know what you saw.

They're all describing the same thing. Wow. So he writes up this report and sends it to the nearest airbase, which just happens to be Edwards. I found the report. It's marked action in big red letters, and it was sent to three places,

to the commanding general at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Whoa. To the head of intelligence at Washington, D.C., to the commander of Ent Air Force Base in Colorado, where we track incoming and outgoing traffic. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this, because I found another case right after that. Same darn thing.

They knew from the beginning that this was happening. What year was that? 52. And see, that drives me crazy. Well, I mean, you know, we have proof that they knew. Like, I mean, even if you look at you, you're familiar with the, the, what's his name, Wilbur Smith memo? Yeah. You know.

Clear is day. Clear as day in writing. You know, this is the minister of transport. He's got, you know, he's pretty high up in the Canadian. government just got back from the United States and says, all right, number one, flying saucers are real, get over it. Number two, oh, yeah, it's mental. The thing, the phenomenon has a mental, you know, component to it. And yeah, number three, Vannevar Bush is, you know, ahead of this and he's working on. Like, we have in 1950 a clear outline that, oh, they're not only well aware of it,

it seems to be priority right now. Yeah, and then he drowns in a lake under suspicious circumstances. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a shame. You know, there's UFO researchers who've met suspicious ends. Yeah. Certainly a lot of people, whistleblowers. It's a dangerous thing. Leonard Stringfield certainly would talk about that.

Yeah. Another hero in this field. Yeah, I love those older researchers. James McDonald, Leo Sprinkle, Jim Caroleon. John Keel. My neck. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's no short. of cases from what I'm hearing. And not only are there no shortage of cases, something that I find more fasting is that you've been able to really hone down on patterns. And those patterns then start giving way to a potential agenda. Is there anything else in the alien agenda

that sticks out to you other than they're healing people that can heal and help the world? They are displaying because they want us to know. I guess the part of me that's a little conflicted, is there is also what feels to be some type of horrible end for us. Oh, yeah. Right. Whether it's coronal mass ejection, whether it's atomic warfare, whether it's, you know, something.

There feels, there's, there's this dumer sort of looming energy that they're potentially helping us through or hoping that we realize. or that we get to that point, right? But if that's the case, why bother saving us? Why bother giving us a light show? Like, what's the point if that's going to happen anyways? I think that they feel a sense of responsibility, a sense of altruism, perhaps.

Why not? I think in some ways they look upon us as their children or friends. Certainly contact these, A lot of them I've talked to feel like, oh, these are my friends, these are my family. And if you saw someone trip down, are you not going to go and help them up? Most people will do that. I do think this is a very common message. Again, they will show people atomic explosions.

One guy I talked to, great case. Navy met him, Kevin Kamen. I love his case because, you know, I got to interview him face to face. I talked to him over and over again. He had this very extensive encounter where his, he's on a Navy ship, right? 600 feet long. His bunk mate's like, oh, I'm a contactee.

And Kevin's like, ah, sure, sure you are. He's like, no, no, I am. You know, they've taken me around my childhood. I've been on their craft. They took me to their planet. He's like, oh, that's true. I want to meet your little green friends, direct quote. He's like, I'll arrange it.

I'll see. And so he comes. comes back a couple, they're still on the ship, right? Somewhere in the Mediterranean, or let me think, outside the Bruneo triangle. Okay. In the Atlantic? In the Atlantic. This is like 78 thereabouts, I think.

At any rate, he comes back a few days later, and he's like, oh, they took me to your house. And Kevin's like, why are you talking about? It's like, oh, yeah, you had a shag rug, there's a milkshake stain on the backseat of this car, the colors of the curtains, all correct. 10 years before, not now. So, like almost a weird time travel aspect. They showed him his house in the past, but it was correct. So now he's thinking, what is this guy in time travel?

Is he CIA? What is going on? His friend's like, well, they agreed to take you. So they'll be coming in a couple of days. And he's like, okay, sure they will. A couple of days go by. He shows up. It's like, okay, they're on deck.

It's your lunch hour. You know, it's high noon. Their cabinet is right near the day. deck, right? He's a clerk. I know his name. I tried to look him up. I can't find him. It's an unusual name. At any rate, Kevin's like, all right, not thinking anything, right? Goes up on deck, and there's this massive craft. It says it was bigger than the shit looked. And it's got flashing colors, and it's just the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. So he does what I always tell someone to do if you see a UFO. Get another witness. You know, if you can get two witnesses.

That's credibility to your case. If you can get 10, this is a front-page news headline, you know? So he runs to the mess cook, starts shaking his shoulders. Cannot get his attention. It's like he's not even there. And so he's freaking out, and suddenly he's looking down at the ship, and it's getting smaller and smaller. And he realizes he's inside this thing.

He's like, oh, no, I'm AWOL. And he hears this male voice that says, no, they don't even know you're gone. So he's afraid to turn around now. I'll summarize this a little bit because I can talk. No, please don't. Please get into as much details you want. I'm riveted. All right.

So he's afraid to turn around, right? He's seen metal walls. There's this console. Very primitive. You know, a couple of lights on it. That's it. It's almost like a Star Trek set. Yeah.

There's just nothing in there. Like Herbert Shermer type deal. Yeah. Well, not even that much detail. He had a lot of, this is how people usually describe. and it's kind of what I look for. Empty, right? Nothing in there.

Because when they need something, it'll come out of the floor or whatever. Sure. And he said, it was awfully high. It was like up to my neck. It's like, well, that's a little. And so he starts having this conversation with these folks. He's still afraid to turn around, right?

And two male voices talking to them in perfect, concise English, which, you know, they often do. They'll speak in your own language, usually. And he starts asking. one of these questions like, where are you from? And he gave me, he said a holographic star chart appeared.

And he could see the solar system and it shrank down and it just got bigger and bigger and way off from the distance this is blinking red light. And he said, that's our planet. And it's called, and I'm like, well, what is it called? And he gave me this, look, I can't pronounce it.

There was a bunch of consonants. I'm like, we'll just try. And he went, zah, da, d'ud, couldn't do it. I'm like, all right, fine. I asked him, how big was this room? And he gave me this, like, how am I going to explain this to this guy? He's not going to believe me.

And honestly, it changed size. The room changed size. I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Here's a detail that I'm giving this away. I shouldn't, but because it's kind of one of the things I look for. Because they can do that. And so he's asking, well, you know, what do you eat? Are you going to eat me?

And they're like, no, you watch too many horror movies. We eat fish. We eat fish. which is lead the same things you do. He said, did Roswell happen? Because he knows a little bit about UFOs. He wrote a paper as a young kid. And they're like, oh, yeah, Roswell happened.

And they said, since you started exploding nuclear bombs, this started a countdown clock. And all these events will happen and you cannot stop them. And they showed him a window. And he said it looked real. He said, it may as well have been looking out at actual reality and showed him hurricanes, tornadoes, landslide, earthquakes, just a list of disasters.

And they said, all of this will happen, you can't stop it. And this is because you've been messing around with nuclear power. And when you started, you really caught the attention of everyone out here, which makes sense because that's when, you know, the modern age of UFOs began. He asked him about politics. They're like, no, we don't discuss politics. We're not going to go there, which I thought was interesting. Smart.

And so he's having this long conversation. He finds him like, well, what do you look like? I said, we're not little nor we're not green. And sometimes our appearance will scare people. And he's like, well, what do you look like? They turn around. And he turns around. He said it was the scariest thing because these were mantets.

Oh, yeah. And he's like, they were sitting on these white kind of thrown like chair or stone on a dais. I've interviewed this guy over and over again. I finally got him on the radio, so there's a recording out there. Because he was very... This was the skeptic. Initially, right?

No, he was... Yeah, I mean, he knew UFOs were real. Yeah, but the other guy who told him, oh, you're going to have it. He was like, you know, brush it off, poppycock. There's no way. Exactly. So now he's, you know, he's a military guy.

He used, is it okay to swear? Yeah, yeah. He said, I nearly shit my pants. Yeah. That's what he said. Oh, my God. And so, you know, oh, yeah, a few more events happened. I did kind of gloss over some.

They took him to his hometown in Kankakee, Illinois, and showed him his mother working as a school teacher, which she did. It was daytime there, so the time wasn't quite aligning. She was at a religious school and sang, writing on the, writing on the child. bookboard phrases from the Bible and stuff. And then they showed him his father, who worked at a bank, looked through several rooms into the center of where he was having an executive meeting and tells him, your parents were good people. They did a good job with you.

And he's thinking, what? You know me? You know my parents? So this is really like, oh my God, this is very, they showed him as a little kid. then they showed him what looked to him like a bombing range. He's thinking, where is this? This is Arizona? What's going on?

But it was gray. And then to come over the horizon and there's the earth off in the distance. And that's when he said, I nearly shit my hands, because he realized that they're over the moon right now. Well, told you they do this. They will show people the moon. So at any rate, he turns around, this is towards the end of his experience,

and they're praying mantis. And one gets up off the dais and takes three steps and is right next to him. And he says, they were pressing they were 15 feet tall. Now I'm trying to talk him down because, you know, people can exaggerate. It's very tall. Yeah, he's six foot two. He passed, unfortunately.

But he's like, look at me. You know, you see how tall I am. I'm like, yeah. He says, they were more than twice my height. You know, it was like standing next to a basketball hoop and backboard. Yeah. This thing's looking down at me. And he was trembling.

You know, this was a very benevolent experience. They didn't even examine it. Just scary. Yeah. For all this reason. And they said, would you like to go to our planet? He said, no. Okay.

I'm still mad at him. And he said, they reached out and grabbed his shoulder. He got a really good look at their hands, which weren't, you know, normal. They were claw-like. And claw-like. Yeah. Were they like, not so much like I've heard from, other people, you know, like that. Because you hear that a lot. Yeah, but they had very long arms,

he said. And one sort of section here and one section here, put their hand on his shoulder. I'm like, why don't you say yes? He's like, listen, I felt like a bug next to them. Right. I thought I was going to end up in some alien zoo. Yeah, or stew. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, you know, it's like, you know, it was scary. You got to understand that. Yeah, I guess so. you never know how you're going to react. No. I mean, I, I, you'd like to think that you'd keep your marbles about you and your wits about you, but the truth is that you're probably going to have a visceral, terrifying reaction to whatever it is you're seeing. I never did.

You didn't, but you also had decades of preparation, you know, not everybody has that. Knowledge overcomes fear every time. Yeah. It's why I do this research. People deserve to know. I'm going to share with you something, though. I want to share with you something that I'm not going to. All right.

Well, let me just end the story. Okay, yes, please. One more sentence. Sure, yes. He wakes up. He's on his cot. He's sweating. He's hyperventilating.

His friend whips open the curtains like, so how did you like your ride? Grinning from year to ear. He was furious. He ended the friendship with this guy and forgot a lot of this. He forgot a lot of the experience until he's watching a praying mantis show on TV. And it comes flooding back. And he said all these. disasters, you know, a lot of them did occur, including a motorcycle accident that they showed him.

And he thought he actually died in this accident. But no, he didn't. He got a bad concussion. They showed him this and he remembered it right as it happened. But yeah, he's a good case. He's a twin. His twin brother had encounters. There's a twin aspect. Okay, sorry, I hope I didn't. No, yeah. No, this is super. I'm specifically fascinated by the Manton's cases. I mean, the human-looking ones as well, all of them really, but the mantis ones seem... So interesting. So interesting because they have this air of this sort of royalty about them for some reason. Like there seems to be...

People wear purple cloaks sometimes. Yeah, cloaks, capes, like they are, they are always in the back. They're never at the forefront. Like there seems to be like, okay, we'll have the small grays, the humanoid, the tall grays. But then way back here behind the curtain, you got like these overseers, what seems like. And I'm not sure what that is, whether they're just like an older species and more ancient and wise species. Talk to Dolly about this. She says yes.

It's the gestalt that I have from, you know, here. I follow an account. I think I only follow one account on TikTok, and it's this one. It's a mantid encounters. Yeah. And it's just that, right? It's just these encounters. And I've had it.

Yeah, they presented a couple of my cases. Really? Yeah, I think it's so interesting. The one thing that is kind of a little. elusive with this. First of all, a lot of these cases with the mantas happen psychedelically, right? And so it obviously puts like a negative filter on, oh, did that really happen? You know, are these just... I'm not a fan, is it? Yeah, do you know what I mean? But you hear a lot of that, right? These bug-like creatures.

There's a case in Montreal, and it's a case eventually that we'll dive into on this channel as I'm working with the witness and trying to... So as witness had an encounter. and called the police the middle of the night because her dog, you know, woke her up, squealing, like just giant dog, big. I don't know what reaction. Doberman, yeah, just like this weird sound. She's like, what the heck is that?

It goes out. Dog's frozen. Like, she starts taking pictures of the dog. She's like, this is weird. My dog, you know, just like this in the kitchen, 1.30 in the morning. And her door was slightly ajar due to them. They're like replacing the lock or something in their apartment.

And so there's the apartment complex hallway outside of that. And she kind of sees like a figure moving. And she goes, what is that? You know, she kind of intrigued. And as she moves close to the door, she asks it, hey, you want to come forward? And she starts snapping pictures. Boop, boop, boop, boop.

Oh, wow. Ends up seeing this thing. Maybe this tall, very strange encounter. The mantid? It wasn't exactly a manted. So it's like, I'll show you the photo. And I don't want to put it up. And the reason is I do not have permission.

So I won't put it up. up. But eventually, hopefully you'll see this. I'm working with the witness now. And who knows, you know, maybe this whole section gets cut. But she is, she's trying to, like, talk to it in different languages in Romanian, in English, and French. And she's, like, trying to communicate. Are you good? Are you bad? If you're good, please come forward. If you're not a demon, like, she's religious at the time. And it comes, and it starts, like, moving its mouth, like this. And it's got a big head. big eyes. It has two things hanging here.

Like meat, she said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And arms like this with a separate set of arms. Oh. And some type of carapace or some type of something on the back. And it was like.

I've not heard that. Light skinned with like dots. Like very strange. And she takes a bunch of pictures. And then she describes slipping into a dream. She's like, I slipped into a dream. After this, I woke up. It's now four in the morning.

morning. I've lost several hours. She's not into UFOs, by the way, at all. Like, she's not, she didn't want to be any, you know what I mean? That's got to be so shocking. Well, so she was afraid, but then she was also like, she's like, I was excited like a kid in the candy store at one point. And she's like, I didn't feel like my apartment, even though it was my apartment. She's like, I don't know why. It's just, maybe I was in the ship or I don't know. That's a psychological response, I think. Yeah, maybe dissociation. And anyway, she wakes up. The dog's in bed. The thing's no longer there. And she's, she runs and waking. her husband up and they call the police.

And the police, and she's like, I wouldn't call the police if I didn't have the photos. She's like, you'd think it was crazy. You know, she's, and so she didn't want to talk about it for a decade because she's, she's like, oh, there's a demon. That's still a popular theory that this is demonic. People will say, oh, you know, well, how come they go away invoke the name of Jesus? I'm like, well, if you came to me and you started saying, in the name of Jesus, go away, I'm, you know what? I will give you your, I'll respect that. That's a good point.

Yeah, well... By the way, we're at two hours already. We're just going to keep going, but whenever you feel like, hey, I'm spent, let me know. I could talk to you for days. Well, that's not going to happen. Okay, well, let's go. I'll try to be good. Yeah, whistleblowers.

Okay. There's a few people I've talked to. I'm like, gosh, we're not hearing the vast majority of stuff that's going on in government circles. Okay. There was this guy interviewed Ray Sachs. He's getting elderly. A lot of the whistleblowers I've talked to are... wanting to do their part for disclosure because they're getting old.

And I can tell you most major researchers have these kinds of accounts. And it's always a blessing when someone comes forward to you with credentials, which you can basically fact check. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people have stories, and a story is a story. Yeah. But this guy, Ray Sachs, I verified his employment. You know, I did my due diligence to the extent that you can.

A young man, 1971, he's on the USS Clamagore. This is a submarine, and it had nuclear-tipped torpedoes, which this was not publicly known at the time. Going up the east coast of the United States, some miles offshore, at about 12 knots, they're on the surface. He's electricians mate, I think, on the Klamelor, right? Young man. And he's up there with another petty officer, and the commander, I know who it is. I know who it is. Commander Boyne, you know, God bless you, but you covered this up.

So I'm calling you out on this. He's passed. So, and the second in command. So there's four men up there, and this submarine's booking along at 12 knots. When a U.S.O, unidentified submersible object, comes in at over 100 knots from the stern, at an angle, and starts pacing the clamagore right off. You know, anything within a quarter miles is considered a near-mass at sea. Sure.

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Luxury sales claim based on S&P Global Mobility, Canadian New Vehicle Total Registrations for calendar year 2025 for the Cadillac definition of luxury. So totally silent. And the guy interviewed Ray Sachs, his job is to be in touch with the folks that's in the Sonar office. And so the commander's like, what are they seeing? And he said, they're not seeing anything. There's no evidence of this thing. It was a big, white, round light. just under the water.

They couldn't see any solid object, but something's there, and it's not far away. And it was, you know, what did he say, like 20, 30 feet across? Big. And they're all looking at it,

and he's jibber, jabbering with the other. He's like, maybe it's Captain Nemo. Didn't think that was funny, the commander. And so they're talking and talking in the second-in-commands, like, just shut up. You know, we're looking at this thing.

And so they're all watching it. And one-by-one, the higher-ranking officers come up on deck because they want to see it too. This is just kind of like, I want to see it. Yeah.

And it pays this clamaguard, he said, for about 10 or 15 minutes, and everyone went below and there's still them far, and it darts off at like 80 knots. This is faster than our submarines can go. Of course.

Even unofficially, because I've talked to some submariners, and we definitely can go faster than most people think, but not that fast. No. No, in 89, knots, that's equivalent to 80 to 100 miles an hour, essentially.

And I have to tell you, I've done a lot of research into U.S.S.os, and I've got cases where they're moving underwater as fast as people see it in the sky. Yeah. Zipping. Not disturbed by friction. Right. Yeah. I think they're probably partly interdimensional or something.

Forrest field, I don't know. We can only speculate. And I don't like to speculate in this field because you're right off to deep in seconds. Mm-hmm. But he saw this. And to me, this is another. clear cut case of them showing their interest or warning people about nuclear capability. I'm like, did anything else strange happen? He's like, yeah, sure did. We were underwater and

the engine went out. This can't happen. They've got backups. They were completely dead in the water, scared the living daylights out of everyone. And then all went back on. They didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. Just, what is that? Crazy. And he was on other ships and stuff, nothing happened until he got close to that nuclear stuff. I often think of that case because it's just another example. There was another guy, Dr. Gary Wagoner was on the USS Long Beach on the other side of Catalina Island. Nuclear powered. Yeah, very, very big hotspot as well.

And they had UFOs show up. Probably two other cases. I love these cases. One guy on his deathbed. My heart. oh my God, these people, I'm just like, what an honor. He says, I need to tell you this story. He says, I was a subcontractor at Edwards Air Force Base.

I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding, Edwards. If you research Edwards, it's a, yeah, a rabbit hole. Yeah, absolutely. And I did. I wrote UFOs over California, and it's got everything that you could ever, you could learn everything you wanted to know about UFOs from just researching Edwards. That's how extensive activity there. is. And so I'm like, oh my God, okay, go on. And he proved his case to me because he had the

lingo. I mean, he knew what he was talking about. I verified to the extent that I could, his employment. And it's like, yeah, they use us because we cut through all the red tape. They don't need any official things. You know, the funding, they just hire people who are not part of the military. And they're like, we need you. He wouldn't tell me what he does. But he's walking across like tarmac there and here's this buzzing noise, very low, whispery kind of wishing noise, and turns and looks and there's a hangar with a big open window

and there's a UFO, perfect shiny mirror-like sides of a little sports car hovering right above the ground. And he's like, oh my God, and turns to his employer and says, look, what is that? His employer gets wide as a sheet,

jams the sports, finger up against his lips, you know, shut up, didn't even speak, wouldn't talk. And he kept asking, like, what is it? It's like, you shut up now? You weren't supposed to see that. If you know, you start talking about this, we're both in trouble. So that's where it rested for a while. A couple of years go by, and his employer calls him again, it's emergency, we need you, you're the only one that can do this, please. It's like, I'm not doing it. I'm not going to work for you. I'm You tell me what we saw. So they get into what he's called a pissing match.

And finally, he's like, okay, let's go to a bar, you know, someplace discreet and had a couple of beers. And he says, if you ever tell anybody, this is trouble for me and you. So he waited decades. This was like late 1980s, I think he said, when this occurred. And his employer said, what you saw was not a UFO. This is reverse engineered from ET technology using the concept of the counter-rotating magnetic fields. We can create a magnetic field on the outside of the craft, which propels a craft in the desired direction. That's all I'm telling you.

Wow. Interesting, right? That makes sense with Edwards Air Force Base. I'll tell you that. There's so much testing and stuff going on there. I don't even doubt that most of the sightings that happen out there are just all. us. Yep.

And one more case, Mel Hansen, God bless him, older guy. He's like, well, you know, Malmstrom, he reached out to a number of researchers. I'm like, eh, yeah, I'm not interested. I'm like, he reached out to me. I'm like, Momstrom, you know, because I know Malmstrom. Yeah. March, 1967, they shut down the missiles. Those are all independent systems.

You know, Robert Salas, of course, his book faded giant. Great guy. So glad he came forward. Mm-hmm. So Mel Henson saw this on Unolved Mysteries, I think it was. He's like, oh, I guess I can talk about it. So he says he was there. Again, not military, a subcontractor, he maintains the missile bases.

They were at one of the sites. Again, he had the lingo down. This guy was for real. You never know for sure, do you? But you do your due diligence to try to fact-check everything to the extent you can't. And he sounded legit to me. and he was the supervisor. His team was underground doing maintenance

when the stars started disappearing over the missile site. He's like, I don't know, I can't tell you how big this thing was or how high up, but there was something above the missile. And it shut down. And she says, it immediately went back online. He said there was this eerie silence right before. Really, it was just everything ghostly quiet, the Oz effect kind of thing.

And stars start disappearing, the missile shuts down. Now, there's backups. We would hope so. There is. I think he said it was first. It went to diesel power because it's electric. And the diesel generator went on and the all went back on site. That went out.

And then it went back on the third, or I guess it would be the second backup, which was battery. And that went down. So boom, boom, boom. They knocked it out very much intentionally. And it moved off. and it was still knocked down. They're an hour away from Malmstrom. These are very widely separated areas.

So he's radioing and he's like, something happened. They're like, we're on our way. We'll be there and less than an hour. We'll pick you up. Took him and his team. His team didn't see anything. Just him and the security guard, who was like just losing his mind.

And didn't want, they told, don't go out. Don't get out of this Jeep. You are to remain in the Jeep. Because this thing was still there. Yeah. And he got out and looked at it. Goes back to the base and they gave him the riot act. You know, basically a full day of this didn't happen.

This didn't happen. This didn't happen. So an amazing case. And another witness to this. There's a bunch of witnesses. They're still coming out to the Malmstrom case. Yeah. I mean, most nuclear facilities have, you know, especially when you have, you know,

especially when you have any type of warhead or any type of like weapon of mass destruction, I feel like there's a lot of activity around those places. Like obviously, you know, thank God. I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking UFO and nukes, you know. How many cases are in that? It was like 116 or something or individuals who've come out and talked about that stuff. We have next week here, I got Mario Woods coming. Mario Woods, who's very familiar with his case?

Not off the hand, no. Yeah, he was a senior staff sergeant, I believe, and he was working at one of these facilities, housing nukes, and he was a security officer, and an orb the size of a Walmart, as he put it, comes right down over the silo and, like, opens it up, and, like, things are turning on now, boop, boop, and everything's going live,

like, this thing's going to long. And he's thinking to himself, literally the thought that he had that he told me is like, I thought I have to drive my truck into the hole. So to like trigger some fail safe to get this nuke to stop from launching. Wow. Like that's how panicked he was, you know. And then, you know, it's a clear cut. Missing time. Stop playing with noots.

Yeah. Missing time. And then also E.T. interaction. And through that. And this guy is like the most like. again, these people work around these facilities are, if you take so much as an aspirin, you have to write it down. Like, these are people with all their wits about them. Their mental faculty is constantly checked because you have to. You have to be a very sane, very normal, very psychologically balanced person to work anywhere around these facilities.

And you are monitored like a hawk. And so, yeah, if you're looking for a credible witness, look no further than the people who work at these places because that is their entire life is being a credible witness. One guy wouldn't talk to me. I had to do it through a medium. Basically, he would tell me. So it's a completely hearsay story. Right.

But he worked at an underground base in Alaska. They gave him sodium pentothal, hypnotism. No way. Every single week. So they could know every single thing he did. He got out of it. They said they pulled him out of high school. He had fantastic scores on his SACs.

IT, he was bred. The field of knowledge that they were looking for. And he wouldn't tell me what his job was, but he said this was a base in Alaska that was seven stories down. They worked on three things, sensing devices that can see through solid objects, biological warfare, that what we know is nothing. And electromagnetic devices that are reverse engineered from ET craft, that most of what people are seeing in that area is not ET. I learned very early on. Some guy told me he's like, you need to know that most of what people are seeing,

not most. He said like 20, 30%. But Michael Schrad is telling me, no, it's closer to 70%. What people are seeing is, you know, us. So, yeah. Do you think that there is an imminent human invasion that'll be sort of hoaxed in our lifetime?

Oh, the false flag? Yeah. I sure hope not, but yeah. You do think that that's a possible. How high is your conviction on a percentage scale that that's going to happen within our lifetime? Oh, God. I couldn't give you an exact number, but over 50? Yeah.

I'm worried about it. I think we're seeing signs of it. I feel like our government is pushing a fear threat narrative. Militarization. And the media certainly is very fear-based. So they love a scary story, but I don't know. This is not my area of expertise. But ETs have basically said this.

They've told people this. So I'm worried about it. You know, I've got so many darn ET stories from people. Like a lady saw 15-foot praying mantis while out jogging. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Or the lady I worked with saw this little alien statue on my desk. Screams, like, what's that?

I'm like, Connie, what do you think it is? It's an alien. She's like, well, I saw one of these when my son was a newborn. There's that weird connection to, you know, children. pregnant and a little bit. She said this thing tried to get open her window. It's a fixed window. It did not walk through the wall.

It's looking at her little baby in a crib trying to open the window. It woke her up, this kind of squeak, squeak sound. She sits up in bed, it looks at her, slams her down in bed. She can't move. She can't cry out. After three minutes, it walks off. She jumps out of bed, scoves up her baby and tell her husband, something was at the window that's a monster.

We're getting out of here. And he's like, you just had a dream. She's like, I must know a dream. That was not a dream. She went to her mother. She wouldn't come back for two weeks. She said, I'm not coming back unless we get guard dogs. And they did.

And she's like, we have to move. I'm not staying here. I mean, that's how badly it affected her. She's like, I worked with this lady for quite a while, and she must, I don't, you know, preach. Like, I'm a UFO researcher. So I'm not really, not at work, you know. Yeah.

But she saw that little statue that. My boss had given me my... It just triggered. And it was a statue of a mantis? Little gray. Little gray. Yeah. Oh.

But yeah, the lady who saw a mantis was a teacher. And she goes out jogging at 3 a.m. And she's in Fallon, Illinois. This is right around the time that O'Hara incident happened. So you can date that, what was it, 2006? 2006, yeah. And O'Fallon, Illinois is a pretty country town. And she comes up to the T intersection,

Kyle Avenue, I'll never forget. get it. She described it. I looked it up on Google. It was all correct what she was saying. And she sees what she thought it's a man on stilts walking down the middle of the street. This is at like four. Oh my God. The horrific image of a man on stilts, I think is more terrifying. With extensers on Zon. Yeah. And so it walks right into the streetlight. I saw the street light. Whoa. And she said this thing came up more than half the street. So she knew how tall it was. Whoa. And she's like, it's 15 feet if it's, you know. anything. They seem

A mantis. Yeah. Had those little things. It's big triangular head, eyes the size of basketballs. Oh, that's what Kevin Kavana said. They told him they speak any language on earth easily. They know that our governments do have ET technology. They told them all kinds of stuff.

They're like way more advanced. Yeah. There was a tale of another military guy who said that he heard, he, overheard he was at Area 51 and he overheard someone in their conversation saying yeah keep the humans out

the mantids don't like them and so whatever that means and he was like he came out and said like I don't know anything but I heard that you know that doesn't surprise me I don't like a lot of humans myself I wouldn't like those humans either and I love people but sure

some of the folks on earth are so messed up here that doesn't make the mantis it's evil. It makes whoever they're working with. I told you before. I'm worried about how, you know, I hate to blame, you know, use the term governments because. Sure. But the way we're being treated is not okay. Yeah. You know, our government should have our best interests of mine. And I don't see that sometimes. They do not. Yeah. So I'm concerned about it. I think the individuals who make up the government are 99% really good people or believe that they're good people or, you know, some, but I think that They're very 1%, you know, poisons the well, you know, because when we use broad terms, like the government, I know people who work for the clerical, you know, and like, you know, doing paperwork and just, you know, doing whatever. People work for the government. There's transport. A lot of them. Yeah. There's a whole, like the government does do things that are just normal too. But lumping them all in together. Like there is, like you said,

earlier on, there's a cabal at the very top that is unobjectively evil. Down right. Yeah. I mean, there's no morals there. No. And so when E.T. say, you know, don't like them. I think that they're very much aware of what we're doing. I think that they're aware of every darn one of us in this planet. I really do. And, you know, I love finding patterns and strange.

cases, the high strangeness, here's high strangeness for you. Let's go. E.T. phone calls. Thinking this is, you know. Like an E.T. calling someone? Yeah. Okay. I'm interviewing this guy from upstate New York. Doesn't want his name used. I think his first name was Kenneth. I'll go that far. Okay. Full on doesn't like this stuff. He had a missing time. It's very traumatic for him. They ended up pulling him on board, showing him his hybrid child. Like, isn't this great? He's like, No. What?

Horrified and like loving this child at the same time. I'm so really, really hard for him. He's a nurse. At any rate, right before this happened, he's driving along and his phone starts ringing, his cell phone in a way that he's got a song set up for when it rings. You know, music. It's not doing that. It's going bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. And it says no number.

And he's like, just ignoring it. And it keeps going. Finally he answers it. And he hears his clicks, clicks, clicks, click. The time is coming. in this weird voice, not a normal voice. And he kept getting these weird phone calls. And my mind starts thinking, my God, Bud Hopkins,

his case with Debbie Jordan Cawball. Yeah, right. The Wednesday night phone calls. Wait, Ray Fowler, Betty Andreessen, she had this too. These weird phone calls. She said lots of clicks and L's and T's. And I'm like, oh my God. I started digging Jack Sarfati, the businessman.

Yeah, the famous call from the future or whatever that was. Yeah. So I found all these cases, which, no, this fits in because ETs are electromagnetic effects. Sure. I recently looked at a case where this guy saw a UFO on TV. The image came up. E.T.'s coming out. One week later, that happened to him.

A lady in upstate New York saw gray on E.T. on the television. Yeah. It was coming through that. I was at a convention once. This guy comes up to me. He's like, you're going to think I'm crazy. I was in my house.

The TV screen comes on and shows the interior of a UFO. Little Gray is walking around. So he runs up to get his parents. We can't get them to wake up. Running through the house, he's looking at the TV, losing his mind. Looks out the window. There's the UFO hovering overhead.

Goes back to the TV and it fades away. If you have a word of me, like that, I'm like, no, I sure haven't. Well, I have now. So, yeah, they can affect electromagnetic instruments in ways that our ET contact can happen in a variety of ways. What about the Ash tar command? Not buying it? No, I'm on one side of the fence. Yeah, that's fine. I just mention it because it did, you know, fit into this. I mean, there's a crazy pattern that I found a bunch of cases of Yopos hovering over prisons. Oh, really?

Landing next to it, E.T.'s coming out. One guy pulled from his jail cell, put back in. Oh, that must have been a good day for him. It was for a while. I don't know why they didn't just take him out. Yeah. Go, run. Just on the other side of the wall.

Putting back in him. He was, and I talked to him personally. Wow. He spoke French. I speak French. I can speak. I can understand it. Sure.

I took it for eight years. If you speak real slowly, but he spoke in a way that I just couldn't get it. And the recording wouldn't come out. So mad, but he was in jail for smoking marijuana. Oh. Which now is like. What a terrible offender. Yeah.

Lock him up for life. Yeah. And they put him in his house. Yeah, I think it was his house. Yeah. I never got to record, you know, transcribe the interview, so I can't really use it. Yeah, sure. If you're not going to let me record you and.

Yeah. It's, you can't. I can't use it. Yeah. Because I have to be very, I have to have proof that I at least talk to this person. Of course, yeah, it's minimal, uh, journalism. But yeah, Colorado prison. Um, they visit it three, four times.

I got cases of them landing, the humanoids. Tell me about some of those. I want to hear about maybe just like one or two, because these ones fascinate me as well is the, uh, the ones that look like us that are among us. Yeah. That you. hear about, you know, that kind of just blend in. People don't seem to see them. And then somebody goes, oh, you look strange. And then they talk to them in their minds and go, you know,

she can see us. Oh, my God. Or have you, have you had some of those people call in or like, or hit you up? In terms of E.T.'s, walking on earth among us. Yeah, people who've had encounters with, with those. I've certainly gotten human-looking encounters, human, but in terms of walking among us, I'm sure I have. I'm trying to think of one. But like human-looking ones, like you're speaking of those are on board? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Because I've had a few where people are like, no, I was, you know, at a grocery store and, you know, they were wearing just the most beautiful garms. Yeah. So I do know about a whole bunch of them where people, like John Hunter Gray and his son, Richland Center, Wisconsin, had a full-on abduction. I don't like that term. Sorry. On boarding encounter. I stopped using it because I was offending people.

I call them onboarding experiences. And they felt it was friendly anyway. But prior to their onboard experience, they're at a gas station. They, you know, he remarked on this as being connected. There's this little guy, four feet tall, wearing a fisherman's cap, covers everything. You know, gloves, it's a hot day. Glasses, sometimes you can't see anything. right? And they could see his eyes through the glass and he had beady little eyes.

You know, context of his almost always mentioned the eyes. The eyes, the eyes, the eyes. So he's like, who is this? Why? This guy, he's so weird. And he's staring at us. This is crazy. So they go away from the gas station. This guy follows them. I think it was in a VW bug. All the way, turns off, that's when their car stalls. That's when the UFO lands. And that's when they're taking on. Oh, my gosh. And of course, Betty, or was it, Debbie Jordan Cobble, met the E.T. on the bus. People have seen them in restaurants. Angoswan has that one famous case.

Grocery store, yeah. Yeah, there was Richard Dolan shared a few with me as well. Timothy Good. Yeah. And then I had one. I actually emailed this guy back just yesterday. But he told me about, yeah, it was a hardware store, two very tall, six foot nine, six foot 10 women, beautiful, twins, dressed identical, walking in lockstep and a hardware.

The most insane thing, and nobody turned their heads. Hans Holzer, he wrote a book about UFOs. He's got this, it's a pseudonym Shane Kerr's student who is walking to school. This is Westmoreland High School in New York. It's funny, I can remember these details because the UFO stuff just sticks in me. Yeah, yeah. But at any rate, this guy approaches her, and he's weird looking, he's got this, white, thin, blonde hair, pale, pale skin, large dark eyes, weird clothes.

She couldn't describe him. She was too kind of like, who is this freak? Is how she put it? Starts asking all these weird questions. Like, where are you going? What are you going to do in there? You know, what's volleyball? You know, just off the wall questions.

And she's like, he's a creep. He's a creep. And he said, well, come with me. Come see my white car in the field. She's like, I'm not going with you? And starts to walk away. Turns around. He's gone.

there's nowhere to go. Her friends come running up for like, who was that weird guy? She's like, I have no idea. This is right in front of the school. It's like three weeks later, she sees him the liquor star, and he's staring at her.

Same guy. And she rushes out. Of course, shortly after that, taken on board, there he is. Ended up as a pretty traumatic encounter for her. Where, you know, I think they had intimate relations.

But makes you wonder, because I've looked into these cases. Yeah, there was a guy I interviewed. He saw this what looked like a gray on a bus. And I've come to look for like three things. Their behavior is unusual. Their appearance is unusual. And their clothes are unusual. And this thing was, and they'll talk to you telepathically.

That happens a lot. Yeah, that's what you hear most is just this clear sort of, oh my gosh, you can see me. Yeah. He pulled his chapter. I give, you know, whenever I write about someone, I send them their chapter. I'm like, and he fact check it. And I'm like, okay, we're going to publish a book. He's like, I want to pull out.

I'm like, oh, really? Why? Whatever. You know, that's his prerogative, certainly. Yeah. But I'm like, I was so disappointed because I had worked so hard interviewing him and getting everything right. I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to blame him because it's a big deal.

It's super strange, too, for someone to go through life. having to acknowledge that versus not having to. Very enticing to do the latter. I think for a lot of people, and I think rightfully so for some people. You know, some people are just, hey, I don't want to make my life about this. Like, I'm a person. I have a family. I have relationships. I have a job. I need to do these things. And so for me to derail all of that because of one happenstance that perhaps I shouldn't have even been a part of doesn't make sense. And I can't blame people for that. I blame the government.

Yeah. Again, in quotes. For not allowing. Yeah, exactly. For basically. The ridicule. Yeah. Delegitimizing this whole subject.

Yeah. And done so clinically. I mean, I bought it. And I thought I was a smart. No. I absolutely bought into it. Who's airspace for one thing? Because they were here first. Yeah. Our airspace. Our sovereign airspace. Yeah.

I don't think they presented danger to aviation either. No. They come around our crafts and it could be dangerous. I'm like, well, yeah, we could have collisions. I'm please, let's have one. Let's acknowledge a collision then, you know, if they're flying around there with the amount of. I looked into it. I found a few cases of people who hit UFOs with their car or.

ran over an ET. There's a few. But statistically speaking, it's insignificant. It's less than 1%. Yeah, there's the case. There's a few Mexican pilots. There's, yeah, that one where they go up on top and on the sides. Yeah. And it damaged his landing gear. I think that that plane was going to go down. Yeah. And they're like, they'll take you. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. But I wondered about that. Yeah, there's the other guy, too. Carlos, forget his last name, but he was a young, it was his first solo flight that he was doing. And he got commandeered by some channeling entity and then they recorded that call or whatever. But he's got a whole bunch of missing time there. Didn't know, like his fuel tank was full by the time he landed and like this whole, yeah, super mysterious. Yeah, there's so much to impact with this field.

I'm really glad it's moving towards mainstream. I don't think we'll ever get disclosure. I think what we're seeing now is for one reason only. The secret government, that's what I'll call them, is losing control of the narrative. Now there's an army of researchers out there. There's an army of experiencers. The evidence is mountainous.

If they don't come forward and say this is real, they're ridiculous. They look not credible. Not unbelievable. They're irrelevant. And frankly, I have zero sympathy. They dug their own grave.

Here's the way I look. Disclosure to me is show us the Roswell craft. Show us the bodies. We know you got them. We're not seeing that. And until and unless, they will admit to the capital flyover of 1952. Yeah, 52.

Until unless they'll admit to Momstrom and Roswell and any of a dozen high-profile cases that we know are real. I don't want to hear what you have to say. you are lying. I don't need lying liars to tell me what I already know is true. And there's a case from Virginia Donald Shalcross. I love this case.

UFO lands, human-looking ETs come out, and he's like, oh, my God, has this conversation with him and says, why don't you just disclose? And they gave him a look like, we already have. That's what they told them. We already have. And I think that that's true. They've done their part.

The UFOs over your own? Oh, the ETs have. Oh, yeah. This hometown series I put together proves that basically they've visited everywhere on this planet. You can name any town. And I don't want to say any, but so far I'm bad at 100%. They've been there. That's disclosure.

You know, they've shown themselves pretty much everywhere on this planet. So, come on. How much information do you need to know this is real? It's my feeling that anyone who's objective, examines the evidence, and I'll underline that objectively, and it looks at it for a day, can only come away convinced. And for those debunkers and skeptics out there,

I'm like, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but you haven't done your homework. You have not done your research. I mean, how, they're like, why don't they told themselves to presidents and leaders of state and centers? They have. Absolutely.

I did a whole article in my not-from-hear books. Take me to your leader. because, yeah, they showed themselves to Senator Russell, Governor Gilligan of Ohio, the guy from Arizona. Also, the president of Kalmikia. My buddy Jesse Michaels, yeah, went out there, and he's a contact heat. I mean, an on-border, as you'd put it. And a major chess champion, too. Yeah, yeah, the head of Fide or at one point.

Yeah, but the Mexican president, the Brazilian president, A bunch of them. As of today, the Japanese government is coming out as well. And no coincidence, Jesse's over there covering that story right now. But they're coming out and saying that they're going to start releasing things. It's time. It's past time. I think it's good that these other countries are taking a lead.

I think that sets precedent because if anything, if nothing else, it will entice, you know, the government that's been covering this stuff up to at least divulge something. because if everybody else comes forward with really credible information, I mean, what other choice do you have? You have to be on top of this, right? Sooner or later, a whistleblower is going to break out with the actual hard proof.

Yeah. I think disclosure is inevitable for one simple reason. It's true. This is all true. You can hide the truth. You can distort it. You can lie about it. You can play around with it.

But you can never destroy it. Truth is truth. Yeah. And there's just no way you can hide something forever. well put certainly hope so we got questions from the audience press and we got to get to so i'm going to go turn that camera on give you one second let's go do we run the gamut yeah have we hit everything almost we didn't we did well we did discuss ob what haven't we discussed on your list i'm just curious big foot and UFOs over grade yards oh great wonderful we'll bring that up um but before we do

You know, as a member, one of the perks, one of the many perks here is the potential to have one of your questions answered on air by our guests. And they always submit, as you probably know, these audiences are... They're sharp. Oh, it's just such a great collective sea of knowledge that they ask better questions than I could ever ask. Tess has got... Tess is going right for the jugular. No, I'm worried. of the contact cases you've studied, which are most likely to be siops and to what end? Oof.

Well, let me think about this for a second. I would say that case of, if you want to let me use his name, a Marine officer, joined the Marines at 17, had to get a parent's voucher, went to Pendleton, and they, I mean, they set him up. They had some guy come to his office and, There were papers on the desk that were all about UFOs that were fully confidential and just led him down the garden path to where he was taken and shown this UFO and ended up bringing out a reptilian officer who was like seven feet tall.

And everyone, he says, they told him don't break ranks. Whatever happens, don't break ranks. He was the only one who didn't break rank. And this thing came right up to him and stared him. I'm like, what did it look like? This poor man started weeping. And I'm like, it's okay, you know, if you don't want to talk about this, that's fine. He's like, no, I really want to talk about it.

He says, I can't tell you what he looked like because I couldn't look. I was too afraid. But it had reptilian eyes and skin and all. And diving into his case because he had a great experience as a child. He levitated. He was taken on board repeatedly. He had all this psychic ability going on. Amazing guy.

He was very altruistic. He worked at a welding factory and got everyone there raises, you know, basically because they were jipping these people. He was Latino, and they were basically taking advantage of the Latino people who worked there. And after talking to him, he basically said they experimented on me. They sciop to me. Why? I don't, I can't tell you for sure. other than to sort of paint this as a negative experience.

They killed his dog. He said, that was it for me. I think they're demonic. He became very religious and had an encounter that I don't even know what to think about because it's just so, I don't know. It was my lab stuff. Yeah, that was not okay. But here's an interesting thing, which I didn't bring up, you know,

because he worked as a welder, right? he kept knocking that welding machine off. Offline, this is a very, very expensive machine. They said, we need you to go to the doctor. You're destroying our equipment. And they couldn't figure out anything wrong with them, except they did find an implant in his body. But I've talked to so many people who've had this problem.

They're knocking out TVs. One lady she had her encounter with this little silver-suited humanoid. This is Mount Rainier, Washington. in goes to work, knocks out her computer. She's like, ITI, come here. Goes to the copier, knocks that out. And she's like, as soon as you're done, copier, goes to the fax machine back when we had those,

knocks that out. And she's like, I don't know what's going. I finally figured it out. I think they're basically energizing or elevating our magnetic, our bioelectric field, rather. Because people will knock out light bulbs. Yeah. The guy I was talking to him says, you wouldn't believe my light bulb budget.

He was investigated by Thelman Moss, and they were like, he gave him the light bulbs, her. And they were like, well, it didn't explode, imploded, whatever. Wild. But yeah, people have poltergeist activity. And they're like, that's you. It's not a demon. This is you doing telekinesis, because when you're with the ETs, you're telepathically communicating. They're levitating.

That's not technology necessarily. That's them because their technology is very psychically based. But I got case after case of people come and map from their experiences and they're levitating. Full on levitating. Happened to Whitley-Streber. Jacques Valet's case, the guy who got healed. Levitated twice. Stephen Greer says, I levitated twice.

Bally saffron. I'm like, I don't suppose you've ever levitated. And she came to me like, oh, no, he's asking this. When she was a kid, yeah. And I got 20 cases of that. Yeah. I ended up writing a whole book on levitation because this is absolutely something we can do. And then, you know, Diana Posulka also pursuing the sort of religious lens through which levitation happened because you have all these.

I don't know. I don't know what to call them, but these holy sort of, whether it's apparitions or whether it's whatever, but you had like St. Francis of Assisi, like the stigmata stuff, the, uh, were they also levitated. Yeah, there's weird bleed throughs of a lot of this phenomena, but, yeah, human levitation has been proven in a scientific laboratory setting repeatedly. Really? Oh, yeah.

The experiments of here were Carrington using finger levitation, you put four people around a table or a chair, rather, and you know, the breathing in and out, and then what is this, stiff as a board, light as a feather, Yeah. They lifted this guy up. He recorded a loss of weight of 47 pounds in the first attempt, 53 in the next, 48 on the third, over and over. It's never been repeated.

Hmm. But there was the case of Carmine Mirabelli, Brazil's greatest medium. They had all the scientists surrounding them, and he levitated. Actually, went through the wall, through a darn wall. Yeah, it's been proven a number of times. The experience with Usapia, Palladino, I would love to witness one of these things myself. As a magician, you know, obviously very skeptical of levitations when I hear about them because of the knowledge that I have.

But I'm also very open to the idea of, yes, please. Like, let's, let's. I've seen, you know, Chris Angel and some, like, show us the sky, you know. No, they don't. Because, you know, we've got wires that are. Yeah, but there are some. Like a friend of mine, Xavier Mortimer. He's a Vegas magician as well.

He's known for levitating in the middle of a park. In the middle of a park. Some of the stuff, I don't know how they do it. Using a jump rope in the sky. And do you know how it's in the? I do. Yeah. It's a trick?

Yeah, of course it's a trick. But, you know, you can fool people like that. I fool people at work with a simple technique. Yeah. They absolutely lost their minds. At a certain angle, you can appear to levitate. Yeah, yeah, because that's the Balducci levitation. Yeah.

That's where you lift one foot. Yeah. It works really well. Of course it does. Yeah. But there's, you know, there's a large, large, long list of levitation is one of the. It's been photographed. You know, there are photographs and films, but.

Yeah, again, again, I remain dubious because of, and until I see it myself, I won't be 100% convinced. Well, I had a family friend who swore up and down, she levitated. And that's what got me into this. And then I found another one. Yeah. I got a lot of crazy looks. I hear about it. Angela Ford told me she had levitated when she was a kid, too.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you it's a thing. Yeah, I'd love to see it. I want to see it. Or better yet. Fly me to the middle. Robert Monroe said he had two incidents of it.

Yeah. He slipped down the stairs and floated down. You know what? A lot of people have that memory of when they were a kid floating down the stairs. I have that memory. There you go. I have that memory of like not touching any of the stairs. But again, is this just like some psychological, you know?

The stairway thing is. tripping me out because I have a dozen cases of this. Really? There's a, it's called the floating stage. Ah. Age 5 to 10. Yeah.

And the stairs figuring about most of these cases, actually. Yeah. Mostly down, but some going on up. Me, it's always down. Always going down and like, yeah, I remember like, like large leaps and like just light as a feather getting down these stairs. Well, the Native Americans had something they called in Native, Native Americans. Indian running, I think.

Oh. That's kind of, I guess, the term we got. Yeah. They knew this one guy who could do it, and they followed his footsteps, and they started getting wider and wider and wider, and they disappeared. And two days later, they met him in town, like, oh, yeah, he's been here for three days. Oh, wow. Well, I'd love to hear from the audience, too, if you've got any levitation stories.

Let us know. Yeah, the Psiops. Gosh, that's probably the only real case that I can. Melinda Leslie, if we'd talk to her. She's had a lot of this kind of my lab stuff going on. She was on board and she saw bold rest of colonel there. Yeah. I interviewed her about that and put it in one of my books.

Jeremy Weeks, who was here as well, he had like an argument with an officer on board. And he knows what faction or what sort of compartment of department of military he was with. Like you could see the badges and everything. He didn't want to tell me. But he's like, yeah. He's like, I've. And there were apparently Gray's on board. And they were arguing, why is he here?

why is he here while he was there? He was confused at why he was there. Yeah, Carla Turner, I think a lot of cases she was working on. Yeah. She also, like Jacobs came away with like, this is not great news. Yeah. But I think a lot of her stuff was, you know, what we would call on my lab stuff. Because she kept talking about seeing officers, or her witnesses did rather.

Yeah. Okay. Let's go on to something we wanted to talk about earlier. Do you see any connection between UFO alien activity and cryptids such as Bigfoot or Yeti? 100%. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Yeah.

You know, I'm doing a lot of UFO research, and I started to hear about Bigfoot. I'm like, I'm not going there. That's a kind of worms. What if it's real? I bet it is. I'm not ready for this. So I avoided it for the longest time. And then I get this guy from Canyon Country, California, living on the edge of the LA National Forest.

1978. He's a radiologist. You know, a smart guy. How do UFO basically land or hover in his backyard? And it took off. He says, the next night, Bigfoot showed up. I'm like, the next night. He's like, yeah, I was in telepathic contact with it. I'd never heard of this. A telepathic contact with Bigfoot, that's apparently a thing in a number of cases. He said, it was mad at his dogs, which were going crazy.

Bigfoot and dogs don't get along for whatever reason. and he felt sure that there was a connection here. And he says, just so you know, after this, we had a poltergeist outbreak in our home. I'm like, okay, well, that's kind of what is going on here? And I started to get some of these Bigfoot UFO cases. I ended up becoming a Bigfoot researcher. You know, I had my own darn encounter with this lady who's having, she's a contact date, started having Bigfoot. This is on the other side of the L.A. National Forest in Acton.

She's like, I know where it lives. go, I'll show you. I think it's in this valley. We went up there. It's dusk. She brought all the sound equipment, right? She wants to record this thing. And she's pulling the stuff out of the back of the car, and I'm walking to the front of the car. There's no sign of civilization except for this dirt road. And this is maybe five or ten miles off the five-freeway. But the LA National Forest is a million, oh, I don't forget how many million of acres, but it's big. And I looked it up. Lots of Bigfoot reports there. And I'm standing in front of the car, kind of surveying the scene, and something roars.

And my first thought is it's a jet going overhead. Of course, there was no jet. And she's petrified. She's stocked still. She's absolutely petrified. She asked me, do these things kidnap people? No, I've never heard of the case of that. I was wrong, it turns out.

And I was still new to Bigfoot research. So I later told her, I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe stay inside. Because that has happened. It's super rare. But we hear about the missing 4-1-1, the Politey stuff. And, I mean, yeah. But then this thing roars again. And now I can triangulate it.

This roar went out for like 20 seconds. That's a long time. Yeah. You know, if you've heard a lion roar, it's five, maybe 10 seconds. I was right next to the lion in the zoo when it roared. And it's like, whoa. I had no idea it was that loud. This thing echoed in my chest.

It had high tones. It had low tones. I felt almost ultrasonic some of it because it's like, damn, what the heck is this? You know, I'm all about bears. I've got all the books on bears for whatever reason. I grew up next to a cougar. You know, the Mercury Cougar, the cars, where they had a cougar advertising it. That cougar lived next to our house in a cage, sadly.

but we would hear it all the time. I grew up in an area where there was a lot of wildlife in Topanga Canyon. But this thing was none of that. And then it roared again. Now I know where it is I go running towards it. I want to see it. And she's like, what are you doing? Are you crazy?

Get back here. That was my Bigfoot encounter. So we had to leave. She was hysterical. Maybe for the best. Who knows? Hey, what better way to die than kidnapped by Bigfoot. I can think of a better way.

But at any rate, having looked into all these Bigfoot cases, most people who see Bigfoot are not going to see a UFO. Most people who see a UFO or ETs are not going to see a Bigfoot. But there's a smattering of cases, and I'll say 200, which is, again, statistically insignificant. But it's there. How do you explain this? People are like, you know, Bigfoot's an alien. I don't think so.

Bigfoot's been around forever. and depending on who you talk to, it's sentient, it's psychic, and so forth. But seeing some of these cases where Bigfoot seem coming out of you, walking in, there are with grades. Yeah. I think, and this is going to sound crazy, this is my assessment, I think some are contactees. They're intelligent.

From another planet? No. I think that they are being contacted by ETs in the same way you or I would be. Oh, like they live here already. Yeah. I see. And we know ETs are studying our planet from soil samples to collecting animals, rabbits, all of them, you know. Yeah.

Picking up humans, taking genetic samples. That's an interesting take. Yeah, it's an interesting take all of it. There's also, we see them on board, too. Like, there are Jeremy Weeks, who is here once again. Again, you know, this guy was military. He worked on radars. He's got a crazy story of...

binary digits coming to him telepathically and that he had a, which is a whole message and all sorts of stuff. But on board one of these things, he did remember seeing like a shorter. Yeah, it comes up. Yeah, furry. And dogmen. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was kind of a relatively new thing. Yeah. Linda Godfrey came on. Dogmen, frogmen, birdmen, cat people. There's all sorts. Talk to Dolly. She saw a dog on board. Wow. We've only got a few, I've got a few cases. I've got a few kids. of cat people and I kind of put them on the back line. Yeah. I don't know.

Some people say the lyrens or the... Yeah. But I started to get more of those. So there seems to be all kinds of stuff going on here. The one thing I think is interesting too is that you have all of these different species, right? Or variations of the same species, whatever it is. But you find them all on earth, like in their primitive form, whether it's the mantis, whether it's the bird, whether it's the cat, whether it's the dog.

And what does that tell you? It tells you that, like, oh, we're all part of the family, the same family. 100%. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're all sharing a gene pool on some level. We don't understand genes. Yeah. We really don't.

But, yeah, I think there are little people, know themselves dwarves. Because I talked to this guy who saw, he swars up and down, it was an elf. Because, you know, it had a big nose, bald head, little brown jacket, boots, the whole deal. And it would talk to him. He saw it four or five times. Never touched him, but he knew it could manipulate objects. And his mom's like, oh, you're just, you have an imaginary friend, don't you? Which confused him because, you know, he's a little kid, but this was not imaginary.

And he's like, next time it comes, I'm going to have to tell him I'm moving and to come with me. This was in Colorado. And the elf showed up, and he's like, oh, I'm leaving, you know, please come with me. And the elf got all sad and says, I can't do that. We're tied to this location. But I put this story out, you know, in my books on YouTube, the response. was crazy. I'm thinking, you know, elves are from the 1800s, right? No, it turns out a bunch of people like, oh, this happened to me. I had the same, we saw six little people and just a lot of them.

One case that stuck out was a guy says, this may have been secondhand, but at any rate, an elf appeared and it's holding up his matchbox car and looking at it. He wakes up and goes, oh, my God, it runs through the wall with the matchbox car in his hand, and matchbox car hits the wall. drops to the floor and spins. It's just a vivid detail. How do you make this stuff up? I mean, it sounds so fantastical. But what I want to know is who's making their little sweaters?

You know, where are these? One guy's smoking a pipe. Really? Yeah, that's the other thing, too, is like there's a whole culture, right? If you're wearing colors or tight-fitting clothes, then to some extent, aesthetics matter. Right? So if aesthetics matter, that means you have art. That means you have a palette.

That means you have a history of art, a history of culture. And that's fascinating that there's culture attached to this stuff. For the most part, we hear about, you know, nothing in the ships. Yeah, they don't have paintings. Right now, right? So we assume they're like, oh, you guys are just bland or something. But then you hear about other stories. You know, like, oh, no, wait, there is something.

There's some. There's cases involving music. And these UFOs are aesthetically beautiful. They are, yeah. Travis Wallen talked about that. I mean, look at the sports model. Yeah. Arguably, that looks like a Ferrari.

And their jumpsuits. The jumpsuit is the fashion of choice with the ETs, but they have cloaks and tapes. Yeah, and a lot of these, they're all fit. Right? They're all fit. They're like in shape. And so, again, obviously health matters, but maybe also the way they look to some extent mattered at one point where they would. you know, breed in that, in that direction or something like, I mean, there's, these questions

have to be asked, you know, when you see them and they're like, okay, why are all these tall blondes? Like, what's the point here? Like, does this matter where you're from? You know what I mean? And so, I don't know. It's interesting, but I think those are little people. I think they're probably interdimensional to some degree, but I'm not convinced they're ETs. Yeah. And I know it goes back throughout history. The elves, you mean? But, yeah. But when you're in the 1800s and 1700s, you're not thinking ETs. So I think there's quite a bit of bleed through and misinterpretation of a lot of these things because we always look at things through the lens of our own culture.

Yeah. Like the airship wave of 1850, 1890, 1910. Yeah. Always kind of puzzled me because those are Zeppelins. Well, zeppelins were invented in 1903. And I started really looking at that. There's not grays on these things. These are people.

Yeah. I honestly think that's us, you know, technology. Passing things out. that's my take on it right now. It's probably a good take. But it's hard to say for sure. I mean, I always think back to Aztec, 1948, New Mexico, the people who discovered the saucer who got, or one of the first people to come to the site who runs up on the ship. Yeah, equip up firemen, wasn't it?

Yeah. And at the same time, you had a helicopter coming in. now that's advanced military tech helicopter is worn out till nineteen forty eight or whatever like up and around then so that's like seeing a stealth bomber he's seeing two UFOs right he's seeing a helicopter and he's standing on a flying saucer like he's having the craziest day of his life that's got to be really confusing do you know what I mean like it's it's like the most modern human tech and like whatever that is um yeah I think back to that all right I think we've we've hit the mark here I mean I could talk to you for hours and hours this has been

so much fun. Thank you so much for joining me. We do have a few books that Preston wrote, which we will be giving away to some of the members as well. So if you're a member, just comment below. We'll choose one of you and we'll send that out. We'll have you sign those, if that's all right. And if you want to purchase one of these books, I would highly recommend it. First of all, go check out Preston's YouTube channel. I left the link below. But also check out one of his many, many books because this is literally what we've been talking about. It is just the tip of the iceberg. You're going to walk away so much more knowledgeable and, you know, just entertained, if nothing else,

by the vast amount of stories that you have to, you know, share with us. Where can they do that, Preston? I'm pretty easy to find. I do have a website. You can see excerpts of my books, prescendentat.webly.com. I'm on all of, well, I can't keep up with this. social media platforms, but I'm on a bunch of them. And my books are available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, bookstores near you. If you can find one, I remember the day when there were a lot of

bookstores. Those days are over. Yeah. I used to spend a lot of time in those. Now, bookstores are in a little brown box or on your screen. But yeah, my books are pretty easy to find. I hope. They are. They came. I ordered a bunch. They came the next day. But yeah, go, you know, go support pressing. And books are really easy and fun to read, too. They're they're really great reads. I really enjoyed reading them. And so I'd highly recommend that. Anything else you would like to say before we go?

No, I think we covered it. I would just say, you know, do your own research. You know, don't believe anyone. Don't believe me. Look into it when I say, you know, ETs aren't here to take over. Prove me wrong or don't, you know. Just do your own research.

I would not look to the government. But yeah, just move. past fear, love and truth to guide your actions. Because we're dealing with a lot of delusion and confusion on this planet. And we really need to work hard to, I think, come together and just do the right thing. So, yeah, love and truth. Love is the answer. Thank you so much, Preston.

My pleasure. Thank you. On November 11, 2025, my two kids and I went into the backyard in Savannah, Georgia, to try and get a glimpse of the northern lights. There had been this big solar storm, and what we saw instead was something that none of us will ever forget. In quick succession, we saw, like, five UFOs, and the most striking was this giant triangle. And it had this grid-like pattern of white lights on the underside of it.

But the craft itself was, like, semi-transparent. Like, you could see through it. When it moved in front of the star, you could see the stars behind it. It didn't make any noise, didn't have navigation lights. My daughter, who's 11, burst out into tears and said, Mom, Mom, I feel this humming inside of me. It's like this loud humming. I didn't experience that, but she did.

It was unnerving, for sure. I would say the more striking event happened later that night. My daughter and I had a shared dream experience where these three non-human but human-like beings spoke to us telepathically. They had these big bright blue eyes and my daughter said they looked like Melfly's family from Harry Potter. So they're like all, you know, pale and blonde with long blonde hair. And they said to us, we've always been here, but now you can see us.