Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Anderson .Paak

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Anderson .Paak (K-Pops!, Oxnard, Malibu) is a Grammy Award-winning songwriter, music producer, and filmmaker. Anderson joins the Armchair Expert to discuss people discovering him through his wide-ranging collaborations, how his dad and uncle were like the hood version of Freaky Friday, and feeling grateful that he took the opportunity to repair with his father before he passed. Anderson and Dax talk about how his mom turned a strawberry stand into a multimillion dollar business into a prison stay, why the best musicians come out of church bands, and staring at Dr. Dre’s feet while playing him songs for the first time. Anderson explains going viral with his Tiny Desk concert, making music videos as training to direct his first film, and why having a Trust Your Gut tattoo helps him to remember to do so.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman. Hello. Boy, long time coming, begging, sending Instagram, making public Instagram posts. You're sliding into his DMs. Exactly. I don't know that I've ever put more effort into getting a guest. And last year, you may recall last year he was like, I'm going to, I will come on.

I was like, oh my God, he's like, when I'm promoting my movie? I'm like, oh, my God, when's this movie going to happen? I know. Well, guess what the movie has happened. It's here. Anderson Pack. Brandon, Pock, Anderson. Andy, take your pick.

I love every version. He is a Grammy Award winning rapper. I think he's got eight Grammys at this point. He deserves them. Singer, songwriter and record producer, his albums in his beach theme, Venice, Malibu, Oxnard, Ventura. And he has a new movie out in theaters on February 27th called K-pop. And it's him and his real life song. I love it.

He co-wrote it and directed it and he stars in it. And it's just a joyous explosion of family love. Yes. We had, this was a great episode. It was a really good time. So much. I tried to control myself and I didn't do a good job as you'll hear. Yeah, he can't do that.

Don't ask him to do that. All right. Please enjoy Anderson Pack. He's an object to. He's an object to be. Hold on. What did you just introduce yourself as? Andy.

I do, too. Brandon's gone. Yeah. We've never fucking with Brandon again. It's long gone. Where do you live? I live in WeHo and I just got a place in Vegas too. Oh, you're going back and forth?

Are you a Vegas person by nature? Are you going to doubt? I can dig it. I kind of grew up there. My parents were big gamblers. So I was there all the time when I was younger and getting the compter rooms and stuff. And then I did the Vegas residency with Bruno. So I'm there quite often.

It's not bad. What was their casino, mom and stepdad? Yeah. What did they do? Caesar's. They were the Caesar's palace people. Classic.

Yeah. They treat you nice there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I watched you on this podcast revolt. Yeah, what is called? Uh, I think.

Is that it? The point is you had like 13 shots. Oh, oh yeah, drink champs. It's called drink champs. Yeah, yeah, with Norrie. Drink champs. Yeah. We should have provided.

Smoking weed. And I'm like, listen, I don't have that at my disposal. So I'm going to have to intoxicate you with my charm to get the walls down. I'm drunk off it already. I'm a lot. I'm not. on dry January actually. Oh, you are.

Yeah. And I drink like a fish, as you can see. I could put them down. And that particular show, I knew that that was their whole thing and they drink and stuff. So I was like, you know, I'm going to just drink more than anybody in case I say something crazy. And I'll be like, I was obviously drunk. Yeah, you can excuse it. I was blacked out. What are you on for me? Yeah. Okay.

So as you know, I've been, how long I've been courting you? Yeah, long time. Hard press, right? Yeah. Yeah. In the DMs. Comment on your shit. Yeah. Posting videos, just declaring my love for you. Yeah. dancing to one of your songs publicly. We almost met for lunch one time.

We did. And then I looked at the menu. I was like, I can't eat one fucking thing over there. It's just a gluten. You should name the restaurant, gluten house. You're like, I'm done. Yeah, yeah, I can't make it. Oh, no.

Was it one of yours? No, it was. I had a vegan spot for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, so no meat and then all gluten. Yeah. And that's why I hardly ever went to. I usually try to do protein and veggie.

You were vegan? No, I just, I got a bunch of spots. I tell I'm not Mexican, but I'll fucking. Taco up anytime. I have a Japanese spot and I just opened a supper club. It's like live music. It's called Andes. We got food there too. Where's that? It's in Weho right next to Dan Tanas. Oh, okay. I got you guys a gift. You got those gifts? I love gifts. I mean, it's customarily we would do this at the end, I think. There's no reason to start with gifts. A couple of Andy's hats. Oh, I'm amazing.

Thank you. Yeah, that's my club. Check it out, man. What's the entertainment at Andy's? I got live music. Like a house band or it's revolving door? I got several bands that played through the week. I auditioned them all. Really talented musicians and we got food. It's like a place for people actually dance. Oh, those are rare. It's 70s-inspired stuff.

I forgot to do a disclaimer. Oh, no. What? Monica, this is going to be the hardest episode for you. I'm going to embarrass you so much through embarrassing myself. Right. Monica hates if I sing the people. She hates when I repeat people's lyrics.

You know, I'm her 51. year old dad who's constantly embarrassing himself. And this is going to be the apex. And I just wanted you to be prepared. Okay. Because you know. Yeah. You know the love. I know what ticks. Okay. As long as I have the right expectation. That's what I thought it might be helpful. Because if you think that I'm only going to drop one or two lyrics on them, you're crazy. Are you okay with that? I'm fine. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I want to talk about just first, how I found you is I was really trying to figure out when did I become obsessed with you. And I traced it back to September. December 2017, I'm friends with Talib, Quali, and I saw a post of his that's like, I'm going to miss

this man so much working with him was incredible Mac Miller. And I'm like, oh, well, who's Talib think is this magical? I'm going to go listen to Mac Miller. So then both of us go in a Mac Miller rabbit hole. And then I fall in love with Dang. And I'm like, who's this soulful voice I'm hearing? And then that takes me to you. And then I'm off to the races.

And then I don't ever look back at anybody. Wow. So that's how I got there. How do you think people generally have gotten to you? So many ways, I bet. So many ways. I'm a big collaborator. And I do a lot of things. And Mac was one of those where I have songs that I just give to people. And I don't necessarily think that they're right for me or I think they're better for other people. And some people know me from that song. Some people know me from working with Brunramar's. Some people know me from songs I've done with like the game or Snoop or Dre. Some people know me as a DJ with the wig on. So many different things, I'm big on collaboration. It's a big way of how I've gotten this far, and it's a big part of my artistry. And Mac was no different.

I had that song that we were working for. The producer's album, Pomo, he wanted to work on his album. And we did that song, I think, the day that David Bowie died. Oh, no kidding. And we were just all, like, bummed out. I felt like that was like the second or third legend we had lost. And I was like, man, I can't keep on losing you over complications. It just kind of flowed.

And we were like in this random studio. I don't even think it was a studio is like an office space. We just started writing that. And I laid it down. I just laid the chorus. And a few months later, I got hit up by Mac through Twitter. That's how you guys got connected. Yeah.

He heard me through Dre because I was on the Dr. Dre's album when he was putting out the straight out of Compton soundtrack. I was all over that album. Six tracks? Yeah. Six track pack. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. 2015? I was blowing up. Yeah. I was like, you know, a little snoop.

So when he hit you on Twitter. what was the message? He basically me. He was like, hey, yeah. Yo, what's going on? How does it feel? You know, it's like right after the Dre stuff. And I was like, you know how it is, blah, blah. He's like, no, I don't know how it is. I don't know how it is to be on six tracks with Dr. Dre.

And I was like, oh, I'm going to like this guy. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah, I'm just chilling, man. I was kind of starstruck. My act was just huge. And the fact that he was hitting me direct. I was like, whoa, man. And we just started chopping up from there.

Yeah, do you become friends first before you decide to start working together? Or do you go like, let's work together? there and then a friendship ensues. When he hit me up, we were talking through Twitter and then he was like, yo, I would love to work with you. Even if you have ideas or anything like that, you could send it my way. And I was like, cool. But I had, dang, or just the chorus of it.

I was like, Como, you think we should send him this? And he was like, cool. And I sent him a few joints. And that was the first one. He gravitated towards. He's like, this is the one. He sat with it for like a couple weeks and sent it back. He had his verse.

He had put horns on it. And that's what I realized, oh, he's like a producer, too. He's a real musician. Yeah, that's why I fell in love with Matt. McMillar is the music. So many of these people, weirdly, I'm coming in through the music. And he had, whether he was creating it or it was his bar or his vibe that he insisted out, whatever it was, it's the music that's so special first in the Mac Miller stop.

He was a big music nerd, big musician. He loved kicking it with musicians, Thundercats, and the internet. He was always taking in rappers, taking in musicians that were coming in and didn't have anything and offering everything. He had his audience, his studio and everything. and he did the same thing with me. We were just kind of talking online and on the phone. And then the first time we met in person was to shoot the video.

Oh, wow. Yeah. What, you had done the entire song and it was done, that seems bizarre. That is bizarre. We're just sending it back and we're just giving notes. And then he's like, this is going to be the first single. So is that the shitty part or the cool part of the time we live in? Because obviously you think about the collaborations that happened in 50s and 60s, Motown or any of these genres and now everything is still,

were in that genre still. For it to change that much, what do you think you lose and what do you think you gain? I think it's just all on the artists. Some of the songs that I've done, big songs, great songs I did through email.

I just did it because I knew that this is going to be great. And if it doesn't sound good, then I don't have to put it out. Some stuff can feel a little transactional, but I think it's all dependent. There's more than one ways to do things. And as long as the song is great,

who cares how it's done. Some people don't want to do the email thing. I totally respect that. And that's fine. But I'm not into like losing opportunity to make something. Dang is probably one of my biggest tunes. And I had no clue. It was going to do what it did.

And people would discover me to this day when I play it. It's a heavy tune for me. And, you know, so much history behind. Mac was the same way. We're not the type to wait. Well, that's what feels like the huge benefit is, is the efficiency of the process. So you can be working on the Mac song for two hours in the afternoon, shift gears and answer an email and then start working on that song.

You're not traveling to all these different places. So that's a huge upside. but what do you think is lost as far as sitting in a room together and the fucking neurons connecting and all this shit we don't know on the pheromones and all that kind of stuff. Obviously nothing. No, but then there is. Because Dre's not working on email, right?

You got to go to the studio. You got to go in there. Same thing with like Bruno. Working on a song like Leeds Door Open, which was like a number one smash hit, a song that I played and they might not know any other song, but they know that, like grandmas, everybody. And it was number one.

My father-in-law finally. And we got to sit down together. A grocery store. That's that dude next to Bruno. You're that dude, right? Yeah, that's me. To have one of those is crazy. And that was like going through hell.

We were in there every day working just on one section. And some days we just work and talk about stuff. Wouldn't even work on the song. We just talk shit and then have a drink. And all right, we'll be back tomorrow and try to work on this. And Bruno's very much one of those guys that's like, it doesn't feel right unless she'd gone through a little bit of hell. Like he doesn't trust it.

Right. Yes. That's a specific type of cruise. creative. Yeah. Well, that's also from childhood. Totally. Trauma-based.

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I got to suffer and then I'll get a little ray of light will be the reward. It doesn't feel good unless you work hard for it. Yeah. It's almost like you don't trust it like shit. It's being this easy. Right. And so there's those too. And I think that there's something really special about sitting in a room.

Person like me that produces, we work with instruments and we're doing stuff out of the box and we're creating and producing the song from scratch with no loops and everything. we're in there really playing it, and then we're having to replay it and figure out, okay, now we want to get horns, all this stuff, and mixing process. A lot of people don't have the patience to do that. And I think sometimes you cut yourself short. You think you have something, but it could be just the tip of the iceberg. You keep digging and seeing how you can make it better.

I really enjoy that, especially with my own project. And as I get older and do more albums, I think that's really what I want to do. Well, don't you think as well, now you have safety. Time is now on your side. You can afford time. I imagine in the past, it's just like, go, go, go, go. I got to put so many fucking poker's in the fire hoping one of them hits. Whereas I'd hope and imagine now it's stable enough that you're not panic.

You're missing out on something if you take that time. Right. It's a blessing. I'm just going to chill. I don't have to do every little thing. But when I was coming up with Mac, I was like, I want to kill everything. Yeah. I want to do every feature.

I want them to be upset that they put me on the song because it's going to be my song now. Uh-huh. I had the dog in me. I got this opportunity. Dre's fucking with me. Everyone's going to know, like, I'm the dude because I was riding the bus before that, and I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to go back to doing, like, open mics and stuff.

I'm like, I got the slot. I'm going to really take advantage of it. Yeah. And I think a part of me still has that. But like you said, I almost forget, like, you know, you don't got to do every little thing. And my team, my management, everything. Like, did you just take an offer for cash for, like, 10K? He said he's booking you at the, you know, I'm like, yes.

I need it. I got classic cars. I got to get the... They're all broken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to get the trinity face. That's just personality. I think I feel like I'm learning that more and more. It doesn't matter how much you have.

That's just part of people. Yeah. I don't think it can fully go away. Yeah. Almost all of your songs I love. But the ones that crush me are these ones that have a theme to me. Like dreamers.

It's all my little dreamers and the ones who didn't give a fuck. I'm a product of the, the tube and the free lunch, right? This owning the challenging background and finding the joy and the pride in it. This theme pops up in so many songs that BJ song, Close the Door. What is it? We got macaroni and cheese. Yeah, yeah.

But that song too is like, yeah, it's not fancy. Close the screen door, but the food is here and the vibe is here. There's a pride in that. And I think when you think about the stuff being black, white, I think so much more of it is like socio-economic. If you're mean, you're eating government cheese, and then you hear these songs, or you see the Super Bowl thing,

you're like, oh, yeah, these are the motherfuckers they hated. And now they're on in the world. Yeah. That theme is just through and through all your music. And I guess are you, like, aware of that? Yeah, that's something that's special to me and that I hold near and dear.

The way I grew up, my family values, my story. Those are things that are universal. When I write, I try to cling to those things. I try to find something that can tie us all together. Yeah, yeah. And whether it's the struggle or if it's something witty, I really enjoy that. And I really enjoy taking bits of my story and going back and being able to put them on wax and explore it because I feel like people can also relate to it. Who cares your daddy couldn't be there?

Yeah. Mom always kept the cable on. Yeah. And for all of us without a dad, it's like, uh-huh. And it's fine. It's all good. You know, some people see things differently. They deal with trauma differently.

I've always, I don't know why I've just been an optimist and I've had a lot of traumatizing things happen. But the way I coped was always with music. I always could escape through television. Don't you think it's body regulation? It's like you can regulate this mood with this fucking tool, which is music. I feel like this. I start making these sounds and I'm elevated and I'm, yeah. Yeah, you're somewhere else.

It's the drug of all drugs to be creative when you're struggling. Absolutely. I was around so much where they didn't know how to cope and do. that and escape and I was able to do that and I had a family that was very supportive and that kind of like kept me in this incubation where it's like he's special like just let him do his thing over here and there was a bunch of chaos and so I think that's something I'm aware of and getting more aware of and tapping into I'm also with my music and with everything I'm random very affected it's really the production and the surroundings and where I'm at a lot of it has to do with the production

chords that kind of bring me to these places I think I'm music first I will always put lyrics or things I think are slick or I was eating lunch today and this girl was like, oh yeah, I like black obsidian. She was talking about a stone. I was like, that sounds sick. You know, like, I don't know what it is, but I'm right it. Yeah, black obsidian. Yeah. Now you got to live up to that. I looked it up. It deflects negativity and all this stuff. I was like, oh, this is a cool tune you can make. But I very much like words and phrases, I always write it, but I'm very moved by the music first and like, oh, this makes me feel like, I want to say something romantic. I want the homies to ride to this in the 6-4 or I think Dre will like this or I think Paul McCartney

I want to get in that zone well but to the trauma I mean it's multi-generational your mom what a fucking beginning it starts in Korea and during the Korean war yeah your assumed grandfather was a black service man right yeah but we don't know no one really knows so your mother's born in Korea right after the Korean war and then she's quickly then in an orphanage her and a brother yeah pretty much was raised in Korea during the war up until maybe about six or seven. Six, seven. And then, we have to cut that out.

That's the clip that's going to get pulled. Back to my adopted mom. I digress. So, yeah, she was an abandoned kid. Her and my uncle were found by a dumpster. And they were doing a lot of racial purification, whatever you call it. But they were getting rid of a lot of the kids back then with like the mixed race and all that stuff in Korea.

So there was a guy back then that was collecting all these abandoned kids and got my mom. and my uncle to an orphanage. And then she was adopted by African-American military parents who were also like high up in ranks and everything. Were they in Korea? They were in Korea, just traveling around. And they were in the military too. And, you know, they were around.

And so they got my mom and my uncle and moved in L.A. My mom, my uncle grew up in Compton during the 50s, which was like a suburb. It was a farm. There was horses and shit. Horses weren't connected to the water system in L.A., all kinds of stuff. You know who was living there then? We interviewed him Yellowstone.

Not Kevin Costa. Kevin Costa. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Koston was like living in Combin. Right. His horses around. 805 native two. Yeah.

He's from my town too. So they grew up there. She grew up in L.A. How did she do? Because generally when you start like that, you're going to have some. You know, I ask her. And I think she kind of blacked it out. She said she doesn't remember anything really until she got to L.A.

That's pretty much where her memory starts. She doesn't remember being in Korea. You don't remember the specific memories, but I think you do hold. I have a family situation a little bit. bit similar and they hold on an abandonment. You just see it continue to show up. Well, it hardwires your brain in those six years. So whether you remember it or not, the brain has been hardwired to deal with that.

Exactly. My mom's real different. She's a hustler. That's where I got the dog in me. I watched her just be her own boss and be real survival first and taking care of her of her fam, but just always working and always no excuses. My biggest critic, no fluff. From the music to everything, she was just my biggest hero.

How did well did you know your grandma and grandpa? I didn't. They passed away when I was really young. Oh, that's a bummer. They were probably pretty great if they were willing to adopt the kid from Korea. Yeah. My grandpa was a pastor and he was also in the military. And my grandma was like a big lieutenant high ranking in the military as well.

So how did she end up in Oxnard? And what age did she go up there? Oxnard has a big military base, Point Magoo. My grandparents were out there. They did travel around. They were in L.A. And then my grandpa retired in Oxnard and that's where she moved. and that's where she pretty much did her 20s,

ended up having my two older sisters and eventually having me and my younger sister. And when did she meet your dad and how long were they together? Yeah, she met my dad sometime in the 80s and my dad was also in the military, he was in the Air Force. My pops has his own crazy story.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of. I'm not. Big article on my pops and his twin brother, they were twins from Philly, crazy twins, and they used to do stuff like they snuck into the military. They used to go to prison for each other. like Switch identity.

He's talking about like Freaky Friday. It was like that, but like the hood version. Whoa. By the way, like the worst is like, how you figure out who's serving time for another person? That's crazy. My dad got in trouble like, aren't you supposed to be in jail already? And it's like, no, my brother's in there.

And like it was some crazy stuff. Oh my God. So they grew up in Philly. They just different type mentality and like a house full of kids and their dad just kicked him out once they were like teenagers. He's like, I can't afford this. You guys figure it out. And then they grew up in the streets.

And then they joined the military. And he met my mom in all. Oxnard because he was stationed at the base and they met at some club. And my dad was actually in the process of being discharged for drugs. He had weed or something. He was getting discharged from the military and she was going on the stand trying to help him. But it didn't work and he got kicked out the military. But they had me and my little sister in Oxnard.

And he was an addict. My dad's an addict, single mom, stepdad's. I saw some gnarly shit. But what's interesting as I was thinking about your story is like, I was seeing a stranger hurt my mom, which was its own terribleness. But at the same time, I feel like it would be more complex if I was seeing my dad hurt my mom, who I love. Like, I hated this motherfucker, so that was fine. Right, right.

I was in denial as a kid. I remember seeing, you know, my mom getting beat, blood in the street. And I didn't want to believe that it was my dad. I was like, no, it was my uncle. And he had a twin. Oh, right. I remember being like, no, it's not him. And to my sisters and we were all there.

And we had to get out. house and that was last time I saw my pops because he got sent to prison after that but I remember just being like no way the memories I do have and I was like seven when he got locked up but I really do remember him being around and he had like classic cars and he was working on he was cool yeah it was really cool my mom always says you never down talked to him or anything he was a perfect dad until he got caught up with the drugs he just he couldn't meet it what was his drug a choice I think it was crack yeah yeah you know which was so many people back then in the 80s he was also alcoholic and just a rough life and my mom tried to do everything she could with AA and all this stuff. He just couldn't

beat it and he had a lot of issues with that. So he went to prison for 14 years, something like that. And when he got out, I was like in my early 20s. I was struggling musician trying to make it happen. And he started reaching out again. Yeah. And at first I was like, I don't want to talk to had kind of like a reg with him. Last time I seen him, he was beating my mom to death. And I was like, I don't know. I don't want to do it. And then my sister was like, you might want to talk to him because I don't think he has too long. he would leave messages on my voicemail singing. And he could tell he was dealing with time and having less of it. And he was getting real religious.

And he was just telling me like, I'm really proud of you. And I know you're a musician and everything. And I was like, all right, I'm going to talk to him. And I'm glad I did. We got to talk. And he was telling me things like, I really wanted to be a musician too. And I had a group as well with my brothers. And we used to sing.

And I found out he had a little singing group. And he was on the gong show. Oh, no shit. Yeah, yeah. Did they blast the gong on him? Yeah. Yeah, no, they actually won. Oh, they won.

Yeah, yeah. I was in my early 20s, but now I'm 40. Aren't you glad you got that? Yeah. You kind of get an understanding, especially as a man. Like, when you're young, you see your parents as your parents and it just can't do no wrong. But then you get older and like, oh, they were adults trying to navigate through life. Yeah, you expect them to have done it right.

Yeah. I did a ton of repair with my dad before he died. And at the time, I don't even know it was forcing me to do it because I didn't want to do all. that now that I'm 12 years out from that I tell people all the time you got to do that for you because for the rest of your life you did the right thing that's the reward of it you had the opportunity and you don't want to but for eternity you did the right thing and then your kids get older and you're flawed and you go like in the lens I was judging him through was so unfair that's what I wrestle with now it's just like man I fucking was so judgmental of him yeah and now I'm like oh I'm over that come

back. Yeah, straight up. Let me try again. Yeah, exactly. It's hard, though. Anger's an easier feeling than sadness or heartbreak. So, like, I think it's one thing when you're that age, it's easier to just be mad at him and put him in this box and like, yeah, that guy's fucked up.

And then when you get the truth and really, it's sadness, it's, he couldn't do this and that's sad for all of us. That's a harder thing to sit with. Yeah, when you realize they were little boys too. Yeah. They're just all little boys. We're all heartbreaking. And we're trying to act like the environments that they were in.

I grew up in Ventura County and my pops is in the trenches of North Philly in the 70s with crack and heroin, all the stuff. And just talking about the epitome of just trying to survive. Yeah. And my mom, all this stuff, you know, so each generation, because of what they've been through, you're blessed because they had to go through a lot of stuff that you didn't have to go through. And, you know, me young in my 20s, I'm just like, I don't give a shit. I was like trying to pay my own way. And I was like later for this guy. He wasn't there.

But now I'm 40 and I got my own kids. And I'm like, wow, I can't get that time back. I'm glad I got to get a little bit of repair with him and just talk to him, hear him out. The thing that hit me recently is I was thinking of my dad as this individual person. And then I'm this individual person. And then I have these kids and I'm like, we're not individual. We're still one thing. I can feel the one thing.

And then I have to acknowledge, I don't know if it ever stops. I think it's just this. this weird line. My dad was an iteration and I got to improve a bit. And then hopefully this next iteration, but it's just iterations. It's this thing. With the iPhone. Yeah. Some of them are shitty. Some of them are better. But they're all up there. Yeah. You got to put a case on all of them though and just hope for the best. Yeah. Yeah. But mom was a hustler, right? So mom got kind of gifted a strawberry stand. Yes. That's bizarre. She made it something. Yeah. So we're in Oxnard And it's all agriculture.

It's ran off of strawberries and you can grow everything out there. But my mom, she tells me she was a piehead. She was going to community college. She didn't really know what she was going to do. She had two older kids, my two older sisters, and one failed marriage with their dad. After my pops in the prison, I had a stepdad. We're going to thank him for the drum set. We're going to thank him for the drum set.

Thank him for being around. It was great. He came in. I was like seven years old and he was my pops, but he was also an addict. We're a good time until we're not. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You either love him or you know. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. They're easy to fall for her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, you know, they had a good time. Was the first husband also an addict? Yeah. Okay. Sure.

My mom married four addicts. Straight up. Crazy, too, because the first two husbands, they have the same name, too. Yeah, my same. I got two Dave. Ron. Yeah. It's insane.

My mom says if she meant a Dave who's an addicts, the next step was the fucking chapel. Yeah, my mom has a type. So, yeah, he was cool. He did get me the drum set. He had his own issues. To go back, my mom did get gifted a strawberry stand from another entrepreneur that was in the city. His name was Buster and he had restaurants and strawberry stands, all the stuff.

And he's like, you're not doing nothing to run this. And he was her friend and she just took it over and she turned that into a multi-million dollar business. Whoa. And so she was pretty much as a farmer, she started small and was delivering to local restaurants and everything. And then eventually got big and got investors and then got it in overhead. head and then that's how she ended up in prison. Well, here's the sad part, right? And it's like, yeah, you're like, wow, great.

I didn't know there was going to be that term. Don't get too bad. You didn't know either, probably. The shoe will drop. Here's where the unfairness of this place is, which is like you can have that hustle and you can grow and you can be so entrepreneurial. But if you don't have the parents that teach you about a tax lawyer and this and like, that's ultimately it, right?

Tax evasion. That was it. And you're a senior? Yeah. And so her and my stepdad were in the business together and stuff paled on when they were gambling and all this money old. Was she addicty at all or no? No. My mom didn't smoke, didn't drink.

Doesn't curse. The opposite is the tract. Diet Coke, but she just quit. I quit smoking. She quit Diet Coke. That's fun. We're both hanging in there. She doesn't need to quit Diet Coke.

Go back on Diet Coke. I needed something because she was on my top about the smoke. And look at you. You go a week without that crack. I can do it. And then she did it. And I was like, oh, shit. We eat or cigarettes?

Both. I was a spliff guy. Oh, okay. You were mixing. How long have you been off that? A couple hours. October, yeah? Exactly.

Since news. You're doing it all. Since his lunch with a girl I discovered a black obsidian. I'm in the stones now. Yeah, yeah. I kicked that finally. How's the sleep? Sleep's been great.

The dreams have been real, real. Dreams come back, right? The dreams are vivid. And now no booze? You're really just taking out all the fun. Yeah. Okay, wait, prison. Yeah, so mom goes away.

It's senior year? Yeah, senior year I got called in the office. It's all over the newspaper. Ventura County, not much happens. And so this was big news for the whole city. Like, we took down. She owed millions. She owed a lot of people.

Well, hold on, though. It sounds like maybe gambling might be her advice. Oh, that was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gambling. They were good at it. They would go every weekend and take my friends, like, you guys want to go, Caesar Palace?

Yeah. We'd be like 12 and like having our own room buffet bar. We gave us little cards. Go see Carrotop. Sure, sure. Yeah. We saw Carrot Top five time. Yeah, come on see Caratop.

You should probably incorporate Caratop into a song. That's my boy, Caratop, man. You got to be doing something right. Being that long in Vegas. A couple million smiles. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't underestimate that Caratop.

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That's what brings you to the party. You start in sixth grade. Then this kid arrives. You're stepped as he wants to be a drummer. But he doesn't really fuck with it. then you get into it. And then when do we start adding, I don't know what you get next, some equipment? Yes.

So my oldest sister is 10 years older. So they're like already out of college. And so I start playing in church. There's not a lot of black people in the county, but that's where all of them are at. And a lot of people come from the military. So they find churches. So I grew up playing there and it's like full long gospel. I learned how to play gospel like from 12 all the way to like I could.

I mean, that's what was my first job. I was getting paid. I played all the way to almost my 30s. And I learned so much just playing with me and organists. Jerees Mitchell was the one that played organ. He taught me so much just about musicality. And in church, it's not supposed to be about you. You're playing as a vessel and to provide a service.

It's different than when, you know, I'm playing Coachella. And it's like, come on, y'all. It's like, yeah, we're like playing for church. And you're playing for the choir. People were catching the spirit and stuff. And I had to learn how to play behind. Play pocket is what they call it. Nothing flashy.

You play the groove. You play straight. If you slow down, you get embarrassed. Like it was very, very strict. But it's the best musicians come out of church and singers, as you know. So that was like my schooling. And I started there. And then my sister started dating this guy from New York, Willie.

He was the first real person I met from, like, Brooklyn. And he had dreams of being a rapper. So he came out to L.A. to be a rapper. And he met my sister. She was dating him. And I just thought he was the coolest dude because I was like in the hip-hop. He was like, you don't know about Jay-Z? You don't know about Nas?

Like, what the hell are you doing? Ghostface. Were you like in the guru and jasmine, all the music. No, I was into like Snoop, Pop, Ice Cube, Lil Wayne, Nelly, very West Coast. Because we're from the West Coast. And I grew up listening to Tupac and everything. It was very serious when he died and everything was like very much like West Coast, you know, Biggie, all that stuff.

So when he came, we were still kind of dealing with the shockways is like losing like Tupac and all these rappers. So he came. I just started high school and I was playing drums and I was like super Christian too because I didn't grow up in church. Can I also add, and that's not to embarrass you, Brandon was chubby? Yeah. No, he was Brandon then. Oh, yeah. He was Brandon was chubby and had braces.

Yeah, he was Bubba. Yeah, he was Bubba. Yeah. It was 200 plus. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you needed a glow up.

I needed a glow up. I needed something and I needed something fat. Yeah, you needed like a mentor to help. Years before I was inpick. Yeah. So, yeah, it needed something. He was definitely there. He was the bripply dude.

Because you were all girls. all around. You didn't have a dude in your life. Two older sisters, one little sister, sister, god's sisters. It was a house full of women all the time. Estrogen fest. Yeah, estrogen fest. I had boobs too. So I was spinning right in. Also the 10-year-old older sister. That's this very

specific dynamic. I have a little brother who's eight years younger than me. He just had two moms. Yeah. One was meaner than the other. Like they're just all mean to you. Exactly. Everyone's fighting. I'm just breaking up stuff. Yeah. It was crazy. So he came through and he was like, yo. And I was was playing drums, I was like, I want to get into other stuff.

I think I want to DJ. You know, back then you could look at magazines, hit Source and all this stuff. And I was like, I want to DJ. I want DJ in my high school party and stuff. And he knew how I DJ. Everything I brought up, he was like, oh, I know I do that. Teach you how to do that. And so I was playing drums and I would save up.

I get my check from church. And my parents will always be like, whatever you want, if you save half of it, we'll match it. Nice. And so, boom. So I was like, I want turntables. And I got turntables. That kind of sparked everything.

I got the turntables. and I started getting records and crates. And my brother-in-law was showing me how to scratch and mix and everything. Then I started DJing at the Boys and Girls Club. And I started DJing all my house parties in high school. And after that, I was like, now I want to make beats. I want to make the stuff that I'm spinning. What do you get the 808?

Yeah, so I got the MP. So I asked my brother-in-law, like, well, what should I do? And he's like, you got to get an MPC. I'm like, what the hell is that? And we go in the guitar center book and it's like right there. And he's like, this is what Kanye, Timberlin, Dre. This is what they all use. How empowering to see that, wait, I can have the thing that all using.

It's not like this. It's only three grand. Yeah. Which should have been like 300,000 back then. And these guys were really using it. And it was just like a brick of a machine. I didn't know how I was going to use. I was going to learn.

And he knew how to do it. He's like, you chop up the samples like this. And so I saved. They met me halfway. I got the MPC 2000. And that's when I started making beats. And my mom had a CD collection of old school stuff. And I would take her CDs.

And that was it. I had my own studio in my room. from high school on and I had my mixer and my MPC and I started making beats. And that's when I was like, okay, I want to do this. I want to add not to get corny, but the democratization of sampling for musicians. I can't remember. Who was it, Ronson that made that like multi-part history. And it like goes into just sampling.

The power of sampling, these kids that can be in a bedroom and they don't have to have access to these instruments. You can have the whole world right there. It's so powerful that breakthrough. It's how a genre is created. Hip hop was created off that. And isn't it crazy if you open the gates and let everyone in, how much shit explodes out of it? It's insane.

That just blows my mind that out of necessity, a whole genre, a whole culture is born with kids that had nothing. And they just want to party. They want some sort of release. They want to regulate. Yeah, we want to cope with all the shit that's going on. And let's just go to park and just vibe out. And taking ingenuity, we don't want this beat to ever stop. So how do we do that?

Okay, let's take two of the records and make a loop. Wow. And like, it doesn't have to end. That's insane to me. We rarely feel good. So when we do, we don't want it to end. We don't want this to ever stop. We don't want the party to stop.

And so these things were not made to do that. And that's pure ingenuity. Like, we're going to do something that's never been done. That's so cool. From there is births me. That's totally what I come from is like watching hip hop and I wanted to be that. You know, you've got the like out in the woods section of your life, right? Mm-hmm.

You got the like, I graduate to trimming weed in Santa Barbara, to getting fired, to married child. We should start with Venice. You decide I'm going to do a whole album. That's first. And so how do you come to put that whole thing together? Because that predates Drey discovering you. Yes.

Right? So you do Venice first. Yeah. You're just a hustler, right? You became a videographer and did all this work for Dumbled. Dumb founded. Yes. He was one of the guys that championed.

camping me early on. I moved to L.A. And I was trying to support my family and really make it. And he was already doing it. He was taking his YouTube following and was killing it and transitioned over to being his own artist and was showing me how to be an independent artist. He was like, you don't need the label. I got the platform.

I'm making my own merch. I'm going viral. All these new things to me. I bring up that point in your life because I think a lot of people want to be a genius and get discovered. But Monica started as a babysitter at our house. And now she has the house across the street. Like, you got to figure out.

You got to see whatever thing can be done for someone who can help and fucking humble yourself and do it. That's why I want people to know that little part of the story. That's awesome trait. I've heard like Issa Rae talk about this. Instead of like looking up, just look to the side of you. Sometimes it's like the people right there. Yeah. There's genius is all around you.

They just haven't been anointed yet. Yeah. Yeah. So as I get older, I'm very much into that huge part of my content. My trouble play everybody. So that's awesome. Sometimes I'm like looking around. at people who are so upset with their life.

Like, I don't have a job. I don't have, like, there's a job right there. Just go do it. Yeah, I think the step is like obscurity and then massive success. Yeah. There's no in this way. But I was thinking that, too, though. I come from when my parents got put the prison of 17, before that, I was like, I'm getting signed.

I was on that kind of trajectory. I was like, I'm making beats. I'm going to be signed as jazia. There's no reason why I'm not. I'm killing it. I'm young. Yeah. I'm gorgeous.

Yeah, I'm gorgeous. Just look at the smile. You know what's impossible? Who's going to deny this? And the whole world turned upside down. People were like, get a job, kid. I was like, oh, shit, I'm not signed. I'm 18.

I guess I didn't make it, you know? It's over. It's over for me. I'm going to get a job, and that's what I did. I just sold my shit and it was like, I'm just going to work. And so by the time I met Dunfoundland, I had a kid. I was like 21 or something. And I had so much going on, but I was humbled so much that I was like, hey, this guy is so cool.

He's giving me a chance. I want to work with him. I'm going to be his hype man. I was like, his flavor, flave to his audience, and he just did shows for, like, thousands of Asian kids. And I had never really even paid attention to Asian people for that. Like, I'm Korean, but we didn't grow up Korean. I grew up black.

Like, you know, I didn't know what biracial was, none of that stuff. It was like, when the cops see me, they see black. Like, that was always what my parents said. So when I met him, he introduced me to, like, all this stuff. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm Korean too. It became exotic, you know, whatever. I'm Korean as far. Yeah, yeah, I'm Korean.

Yeah. And now we're trending hard. So I'm like, yeah, they're claiming me and everything. I'm getting awards. But he brought me into all that world. He reached out. And that's when I went from the transition from Breezy Lovejoy. That's what I was all through high school and everything to,

okay, I'm going to go by Anderson Pack, which is just my last name and my middle name. And your middle name is really Pock. Yes, yes. So people will be in the comments going, you're saying his name wrong. It's like, well, we can go both ways. So clear that up.

My old manager, that was his whole shtick. He was like, say it's PAC, but people will argue. And you want people to talk. Oh, my God. They don't know if it's PAC or PAC and all this. stuff and it'll be like they're going off your group. You want the conversation to flow. And I was like, what the hell?

Humans are so obvious. I know. And yet no one capitalizes on it. Yeah, they are. There's people that study them. They're like, yeah, this is going to work. This is what they do. That's what AI can do, right?

Can just passionately just look at us and go like, well, here's a pattern. It doesn't get bogged down on your own. So I guess what I want to say about Venice, though, is what's obvious is you're already somehow comfortable. You have to be comfortable with you're availing yourself to help a lot, right? Because you're getting a ton of. people to work with you. But maybe you didn't warrant yet.

Would you say that? You assembled a lot of people for that. Yeah, but honestly, everybody was coming up back then and it was just timing. I didn't have no buzz or anything, but some of the people that were buzzier and were working on that project, it was a good time because a lot of people were coming out of the beat scene, the SoundCloud scene, and there wasn't really a vocalist to pair with these kind of beats that were going on. All we wanted was like, yeah, I get some views on SoundCloud.

Spotify, none of that shit mattered to us. back then there was a place called Lowen Theory where they had the best sound system people like Gas Lamp and Flying Lotus they would all be their DJing at the airliner and every night that would be the spot and so if they played your shit that was the win. The pinning me of getting a Grammy

we were making music to be played on that kind of sound system and that's very much what Venice was. I had songs like for Malibu, I had the bird, I had all that stuff but when I was hanging in this scene I was like damn, I want bangers you know I want something that go viral on SoundCloud And then that's how I met with the producer, Low Death, and I met with people like Taku and Toki Monsters, a bunch of people on there that were big in the beat scene. And that's where I was headed towards.

And one of the songs that we did was a song called Drugs, where I'm like experimenting with like autotune and 808. I had a question about drugs. It seems to me that it's about that false intimacy of MDMA. Yeah. She don't give a fuck. She doesn't like, but when we have drugs, she'll be my wifey. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's funny, too, because you go like, yeah, it's fake. But then now I'm also older and I'm like, but nothing's fake. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, nothing is fake. It can be real for five hours.

Yeah, it was very much real. But also the drug of fame could be replaced in that too. It's like the exact same thing. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I was having a lot of fun with that. And I was like one of the first time I ever got in the studio and played with Autotune. It was by mistake, the producer like left it on. And I was like, this is great.

At that moment, had you figured out yet what you were going to back? on because you have a lot of things you could be doubling down on, right? You don't know if it's going to be your voice. You don't know if it's your drumming and musicality. You don't know if it's your beats and creativity, if it's your lyrics. I mean, I think now, like I was watching you and Quest Love Talk and the way he described your voice had to be so fucking flattering. Yeah.

Right. He's just like, it is the voice we have. It has the most texture and the most everything in it. The whole story, the whole black story is in this rasp. And so now we know that. but then did you know that? What did you think then? I was trying to find it.

I was very much just doing any and everything. Me playing drums and performing, I didn't even know that was going to be a thing. Does I say that's the second thing that's most appealing about you? Yeah, all these things. We were just trying to find it. We were playing all over L.A. And people didn't give a shit.

It was like we were just trying to get something to stick. And like I said, we found this little scene and this pocket with like the beat scene and stuff. And I was like, okay, they're fucking what is. I'm going to compliment you. That's how fucking talented and versatile. you are is like even if you find this little pocket for five minutes, you figure out how to make it work in that pocket. Yeah. And I was always a person that was kind of thinking a few years ahead. So I was always saving songs. I was like, these are good. But I know we don't have the audience yet. So I'm not going to blow it. Actually, I'm going to make my albums like locations. Because I want to be able to put these batch of songs over here. Compartmentalementalize the whole thing. Very much like that. Like still, even with all my side quests and all this stuff, it's because I want a place.

to put all these songs and stuff. So I need to posture them right. Well, all the facets to you. Yeah, exactly. There's like a hundred facets. Yeah. So like that's this facet. Yeah.

That's this. I want it. There's a guy that wants to do the deep, foky stuff. There's also the guy that wants to do MDMA and like have something for that too. Yeah. And I hate not having it.

I want a banger too. But I also want the deep stuff and the sad. So I was very much like that. But on Venice, I was trying to find it. And it really wasn't until a few years later when I met knowledge and started working him that I found that kind of raspy tone. Smooth as a motherfucker. Yeah. Sway it on the inside. Do you remember

I sent you a video of my then 8-year-old daughter singing that in the backseat? Do you remember that? I sent you a video. She knows it fucking beginning to end. That's so cute. But call you a bitch. It's because you're my bitch. And as long as you ain't no one else, call you a bitch, then don't

me no problem. Yeah. Walk with me now. How was your mental? What are you doing over there? I'm trying to get a question. I call you a trick. It's because you pay rent. And as long as you don't come up show, then there won't be no problem. Switch to my mental state. No, how, okay, you just seem very happy.

Like, you have like a happy disposition and it's really lovely. It might be the smile. I have the thing. It's the smile. Is that your disposition or during that time, were you struggling? Yeah, is it a mask? Part of it is probably like a tick. It was survival where you're at.

It was. Because if you tried to be hard, you were going to get tested. Exactly. I'm a people please around. I'm like a host. I can feel it. It hurts me when people were embarrassed or like something you don't feel right.

I wish I could be one of those dudes don't give a fuck. Show her your hard face. You did your hard face. Look at his hard face. He goes, I can't even do it because my teeth don't fit on my mouth. Very soft.

The way physical, it just doesn't work. And I always tend to hang with people that just don't give a fuck. Because I really admire that. But I'm very much like, don't say, come on. Why are you going to see that? Yeah.

So I think a lot of that is that. And yeah, also too, you know, just big-ass teeth. They're hard to keep your nose in the way. But Norie actually said something, too, is like someone that smiles like that. They must be trying to protect their peace. And I think that's probably like a big part of it too. In the time when your mom had to go to prison and you're struggling

and you're having all these jobs, I imagine, I mean, I don't know. Maybe you are just like a really optimistic person. Maybe you looked at all that. It's just like, oh, it's fine. It's going to be fine. Or were you like, fuck? Yeah, I went into a completely, I don't know if there's depression and whatnot. but I quit everything I was doing.

Before that, I was real optimistic. I thought I was going to get signed all this. And I went complete. I was like punk. Stop listening to hip hop. I did try to get signed and stuff and got really discouraged because the meetings I did have, they were like, cool, but we want to sound more like this. And I was just like, oh, it's not what I thought it was going to be.

And I got rejected. Well, your lane didn't really exist in their defense. They didn't. I don't know how we're marking this. This guy's the R&B. Is he sold? What do you do? And I was like, okay, whatever.

I'm done with this. And parents walked up. Yeah. Did you feel. guilty about, so when you said earlier, your parents like matched your money, which I think is like a beautiful thing. I can imagine that if then they had to go to prison because of money stuff, I would be like, why'd you give me all this money if you didn't have any? Did you have any guilt around that?

Yeah, we were all really spoiled coming up, even my older sisters. We didn't know what was going on until it happened. Our world got turned upside down. Before that, we were like living in mansions. My folks took care of my older sisters and their husband. husband, everything, and everybody was taken care of. And then the rug got swept up under us. And so it was a rude awakening for us.

I was just like, why, God, why us? My mom wasn't like a criminal. I was just thinking like the worst things could be happening to her in prison and stuff. And I was just like, this is terrible. I was just dealing with that. And then on top of that, I was so broke, I couldn't pay attention. My license would get suspended because I couldn't pay for parking tickets and stuff. Then I couldn't go visit my mom because you need a license and all this stuff.

And it was just like a lot of. of the guilt and shame and I wanted to be doing better when I visit her. She's like, so what's new? And I was like, I'm selling weed. I'm doing about as much as you're doing sitting here in prison. We got about the same productivity level. I know. But I got no excuse.

We made about the same amount of money this year. Oh, no, it's so sad. That's sex. Oh, shit. So you're promoting Venice and you're on sway, and that's where Drey hears you. Is that apocryph? I'm doing Venice and Venice has got a bunch of different styles on it. We were trying to get to Dre's here when I had Venice, but he wasn't feeling it at the time.

And I did go on sway and do some stuff. My style, it wasn't cohesive back then. It was like I would have a song without a tune. Then I would have a future funk song. Then I would have a house. It was all over the place. And then I met Knowledge, this producer through Twitter again. And he had remixed one of the songs that I had out.

It was actually like a Breezy Lovejoy song. that I had up before Venice, like for my mixtape, P-YP. And he had that remix. He was another kid that was in the beat scene and was doing remixes. I was a big fan of him. He was big on Bandcamp. So he was like, again, another indie thing wasn't doing the whole streaming thing. He was like straight, direct to his fans, making money that way.

And I was buying all his stuff from Bandcamp. And then he reached out and I was like, oh, sick. And back then it was like the equivalent of getting hit up by Dre. Like I was a big fan of him as well. He was like, let's work. And he sent me like 100 beat. and Swade was one of those beats and I was recording at Dumbfounded Studio that he let me use and that's when I wrote that song.

I remember after I wrote it, it was like the course, it's like, if I call you a bitch, it's because you're my bitch and as long as someone else call you bitch, it won't be no problems. And if I call you a trick, it's because you paid rent. You need to mean and remind you the lyrics. Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah. It was like a little on the fence about this song. Is this too much?

His music put me in this like pimp from Mississippi and this. black exploitation kind of feel and it brought out that gritty tone that had been kind of flirting with. Do you know Van Hunt? Yeah. So I was a huge Van Hunt fan. Yes. And to me when I heard that, I was like, oh, it's got that van. Yeah.

And people used to always be like, you and Van, you know. Yeah, yeah. I really leaned into that with his production. And we got signed to Stone's Door as a duo and they put suede out. That was the first single. And then that was like making its rounds. And everyone was like, that song is impossible to go. And I was like, cool, this is happening.

That was my first deal. It was with a group, but I was like, hey, I'll leave some sign. And that made its way to Dre. So that song got to Dre's ears through his writers that he was working with at the time, which ended up being Compton. But he was working with these writers, Mez and JT. And they were like, come to the studio, Dre wants to meet you. And I almost didn't go because I didn't think it was legit.

Back then, everybody would be saying Dre wants to work because there was detox. And for years, you know, this mythical album that never came out was like a thing that everyone was working on. So at that time, I was like, I'm doing my own thing. I'm not a writer for other people. Like, I'm not going to do it. All the fear talk. Yeah, all the fear talk. Well, you can create a really compelling reason. You can buy into it. Yes, but you buy it. It's like it's logically sound. You can trick yourself. And you're just scared of shit. I was because your hero just invited you over. Top of the tops. Number one, that's the top. So I had put it out my mind that I would even meet him. And then when they said he wants to meet you, this and that. I was like, nah. And then they

begged me and I went and I met him and I was like whoa he's like 10 foot tall for the listener you just pointed at me wow yeah he's like you a giant amongst men yeah no no I mean the listener you could just let go met him and dOC and they're just chilling I go in the studio I meet the writers they're like we love suede I'm like cool let's work and they're like we want dray to hear the song I'm like he hasn't heard it yet and they're like no I'm like oh okay well maybe I want to get kicked out like what you don't like it can imagine the anxiety of the situation you're in the room while he's listening to it. Do you look at him or do you look somewhere else and try to peep him

out the corner of your eye? I was looking at his feet. I looked at his feet. That's why I realized he was the same shoes every day. Where white Air Force ones. I was like, yeah, that's crazy. That's Trace Fit. Yeah. And he's like blasting it. And I look up and he's like

played again. You know, then he goes like this. Like this double thumbs up. He's like, let's work. It's gangster. Oh, amazing. Do you really play that ever in your mind. All the time.

You do, yeah. All the time. There's these little moments, right? And they're generally, I think, before you, quote, made it. And they don't really get better. Yeah, they don't. I got to imagine that's got to be close to the pinnacle. It was the hugest thing.

And they were like, don't tell anyone about this. And I mean, I told everybody as soon as I left there, he wears Air Forces. He was banging my shit. We love it to play it 12 times. I'm on. Double thumbs up. Don't talk to me. I'm on, bro.

He's letting you know if we're done. There's a new me. And it don't include you. I changed a lot. Yeah, so I was on top of the world and they just kept, you know, inviting me back. And you end up on six tracks. It ended up six tracks. And I would have never thought Dre would have put his album out before I did.

I had Venice out before that. And then he put out Compton. And so then I was just like on a rocket after that. And everyone was like, who's his kid? Before that, I couldn't buy a deal. And everyone was like, yeah, it's Dre's guy. I wasn't signed still. Had Malibu in the oven.

That didn't come out on the aftermath, though, right? He let you put that out, even though he was about to sign you. Yeah, he was doing his thing. He was very busy with the movie and with everything. They had just, like, did the Apple deal. After that, I was just starting the tour and stuff. And so I was taking meetings and everything, but I knew in my heart, like, I'm not going to sign anybody else unless Dre, you know, Dre gave me the chance.

I'm going to go with him. But yeah, he was taking his time. So I was like, okay, I'm going to put this out of Mount Indy with the same people I did. And it was really a blessing because now I got those masters. And that album really changed everything for me. So fucking good, that album. And now you get a lot of critical acclaim off of Malibu. Dreamers on Malibu, which I just love.

I already told you how powerful that is. Then this other magical thing happens, which is in promotion of Malibu, you do tiny desks. And for anyone who's not seen this tiny desk, it is the best of the tiny desk. I've probably viewed it 200 times. And I just want to watch the beginning. Oh, no, we're making him watch a thing. No, no. He knows he looks cute in this.

Fuck you. Look at this guy. They did me a real solid because they start in tight and then they back up and they're like, he's on the drums. Yeah. You don't see it. And I think that was huge. What's with the cloth over the snare? What's happening?

That's the dampening. Snare can be really loud, especially in a room like that. Because I'm going to argue this is where the second thing, which is you playing drums. Boom. Yeah. Because now we go, this guy's a real musician. This is so 70s. And these are your friends.

Free Nationals? These are my brothers. We have been playing 15 years plus. That's a fucking great album, the Free Nationals album. Yeah. It's amazing. That happens, and what happens, post-Tinie Desk? That was our first viral thing.

Probably to date, my biggest thing. It's crazy, too, because, you know, before that, we spent thousands and these big promotional things, and the biggest thing is just us playing in the office. Tiny Desk really has the power to do it. Like, Dochi. I mean, I feel like so many people get seen on a grand scale with that. And timing. Tiny Desk was still a baby too. I wanted to do Tiny Desk and I was telling my PR at the time.

I was like, I wanted to do tiny dust. They were like, what? The thing that made me want to do it was I saw T. Payne do it. It went crazy for him too because that was like a performance that he did without the auto tune. People were like, he could really sing. Right. I was like, this could be cool for us to just play because we were very much, you needed to see us live to believe it. Yes.

And we have been playing in clubs and all this stuff and we were trying to tour and all this stuff. But they didn't know what we were. Yeah. And I would tell people, we're a band. We're like the Chili Peppers. The music is kind of all over for me. but once you see us, we're really just like a band. And we're a rock band.

And so this really made it plain. And I didn't really even know how big, like, the drumming and performing thing was until this. I was playing drums and it came out on necessity. I would rather not. It's really tough. But my band was, like, really spoiled. And we're all spoiled.

Like, I'm a drummer and we couldn't keep a drummer. All the good drummers that we had, they would all get gigs. They play us for a little bit. Then they're all playing for whoever. And so I'm like, fuck it, I'll play. I would want to be front man, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

You want to dance around? Yeah, I'm like sweaty and we're playing all these clubs and we're like, whatever. After this, I was like, oh, I'm staying on the drums. When you perform now, how often are you on the drums? Half and half. I have a drummer that plays too. Well, now you can afford the... Yeah, I can afford different things.

Yeah. It's like, you're going to stay now. I know, but now people want to see you on the drum. Exactly. So that's a different thing. So it's a whole thing. I got to keep it up. You got to keep it going or else you get rusty.

It's tough, man. But yeah, it was huge. And I didn't know it was going to be huge. We were kind of dreading it. You know, we've been interviewing a lot of musicians lately, and we've had a couple, like, Luke Combs had this moment. Chris Stapleton had this moment. These award shows can be that moment where it's like Carson in the 80s. If you're a stand-up, you crush, you get a sitcom literally Monday, right?

For musicians, it's these little sparks. Like, I see that tiny desk and I think, like Van Hunt should have been you. He should have had a ride like yours. But he didn't have a tiny desk or he didn't have the award show. It's like the music was fucking there. It's crazy how precarious all this is, isn't it? I mean, it's so crazy because we easily could have canceled that, too. I woke up, hung over.

I forgot. I was like, who fuck booked this? And they're like, you did. Like, remember you were begging us to do? I'm fucking hung over. I'm not going to do this playing in the office at 11 a.m. Like, I sound like shit. An NPR too.

Yeah, NPR who watches that. It's a whitest thing in the world. We don't have to do this. You don't have to listen to everything. Get me aspirin. Yeah, exactly. But we did it. And thank God, because it changed our lives.

And after that, we were just booked. Boom. Every festival. And you got music in an Apple commercial. You got music in huge video games, these IP video games. So now you're starting to make money. So what does Anderson do with some money? I got my mom house. That was the first thing.

My mom gets out of prison and each year it was getting better. But that was my main thing. Like, taking care of my fam. My wife at the time was from Korea. She was full-time mom. I had a little kid at the time. And so I was all about like, I just want to pay my bills. I want insurance.

I want a car. What was the first car you bought? BMW I 8. Like the first, like fancy one. That's nice. And it was the one with the doors lift up. It kind of looks like Back to the Future car. It was really cool.

They stopped making them. I thought it was one of the sexiest, coolest car. It was. They don't know about those. Super not practical for having a family and stuff. You run over one pot hole and it's finished. But man, it was like a hybrid. It was so cool.

Butterfly doors. It was like, I made it. Yeah, I made that on the cover of Oxnard. Yeah. But yeah, just doing things like that. I got my family into a proper place and got my mom a place. I was like, mom, I got some money. Like, where you want to live?

And she was like, Atlanta. I was like, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you into three, four thousand square feet. Two of those. Let's do that.

Yeah, yeah. We got a hit on Silksonic. How do you and Bruno come to know each other? We met not too soon after that. 2016, he asked me to open up for his 24-currant. Oh, wow. Yeah, tour. So like stadium.

stadiums. So we were just on top of the world. And you're like, I can get used to this. Yep. Were you or were you like, oh shit? Were you intimidated or were you just like, we got this? This kid was born to shot. I was born, but there was a learning curve.

We came from like the festival scene. And then we got into his world, life on Mars. And we learned quick that a stadium arena show is different than a festival or like an intimate club. There's different things that don't translate. We learned a lot from him and how he put together his show. He took us out for like 30 dates. And it was in Europe.

And also, we learned about stealing fans. No one's coming to see you, bro. As big as you think you are. They're hoping you wrap it up quick. Exactly. Yeah. So you're up there to steal fans. People should be like, well, that opener was great.

We learned how to put together a good show. That showcase what we could do and was high energy and that translated to like a big audience. And during that time, I got to really hang with him and I get to know him. And he's one that studies it. He studies the greats like Prince and Elvis and all these dudes that know how they look. Yeah, he knows. He knows. Did you pick some shit up from that up too?

Because again, I was all vibes like I just go with the flow. Like I'm more, you know, hippie vibes. And he's like, you gotta know your angles. You gotta know when to do this. He also was a dude that was after my own heart was very band oriented. Leans a lot with his group, very much so, one of the greatest entertainers, man. And he taught me a lot about it's about, you know, having a real handle on your artistry and not putting in the hands of other people, directing your own vids, doing your own

choreo, putting together your own show. And like you said, this is stuff that we could do. It's just like tapping into what we can do and making it sexy for us. Who are we? I learned a lot from him with that. What do you think he was yearning for that he saw you were going to give him? I think both of us needed a friend at the time. When we linked back up with each other during COVID, we needed answers.

We're both workaholics and everything shut down. We couldn't do the things that we were used to doing. He doesn't have kids. I had kids. I was getting really inspired by them. Before that, I was always on the road. Now I'm just like with my kids and I'm like, oh, you want to be a YouTuber? Okay.

I'm realizing how talented my son is. Soul Rashid. Yeah. So, Rashid. I call him Sol Rashid because I was like, you don't want to get the nepotism thing. Yeah. You'll think me later. Exactly.

But yeah, Soli, Solito. I gave them black Muslim middle names because I was like their mom got the name of soul and shine. I'm like, they're going to know it's black too. Rashid and Tarek. I don't know why. You're like, it's really important to me all of a sudden. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

I'm going to bore you with my experience of the Super Bowl halftime show. So generally we all go to our friend has a party. And for whatever reason that year, 2022, I don't know why. I decided I wasn't going. And I was downstairs watching it by myself in the theater room. And that halftime show starts. And I am getting completely over. overwhelmed with again, the chip on my shoulder is like, I'm white trash, people think I'm shit,

and I'm watching these dudes in the shadow of where they grew up, owning the entire world. M&M's here all of a sudden from Detroit, who's from where I'm from. And when my wife comes down, I'm crying. They were burning those CDs and Tipper Gore was trying to get rid of them. And the whole government and the U.S. They were ruining America. Yeah. What a come up.

That's right. It's for every white trash, poor black, whatever. that was a no motherfuckers we're going to win because we got that yes right and so i'm already in that state you're already my number one and when they fucking pan over and i see oh my fuckers been playing the drums on this with that smile i screamed out loud i was like oh my god he and fuck is back and lose yourself em and i'm just like coming up on the list oh my god you've never had a moment watching TV in my whole life that compares to that fucking moment. I've watched that a thousand times.

I mean, for you to come out of the fucking ground. So I was so excited to learn that you weren't supposed to be there. So tell everyone how you got there. It got announced that Dre was doing the Super Bowl and this whole trailer came out. They're all looking like the Avengers. My mom's like, why aren't you on there? You're signing. That's right.

I'm like, mom, I can fix this. Hold on. I'm pretty sure there's going to be another trailer out. Don't worry. That's just the first one. Relax. Everyone relaxed. They don't show Aquaman in the first trailer. Exactly. Exactly.

I'm at the end credits. You know that's the most. I hit Dre. I'm like, Dre, what the fuck? I'm signed to you too. You probably forgot. Like, I'm not as huge as like some of your others that came before. But what's up, man? Can I like hold a symbol or something? It's like, I got some ideas.

I'm going to see what's up. And I was like, well, cool. While you're doing that, I'm going to make my own poster and put myself on there. I got a guy that's really good with Photoshop and just, you know, it's no rush. but I'm going to just get ahead of this. I'm going to take this part into my own hands. Yeah, I take some liberties.

Yeah, yeah. I made my own poster, Photoshop myself in there. You really did do it? Yeah, I did. Boom, put it up. That's amazing. Yeah, the next couple days, Drake calls me, he's like, what do you think about playing for Marshall,

for lose yourself on the drums? I was like, yeah, let's do that. I think that'll work for me. I think that'll work just fine. There's a great behind-the-scenes thing that I learned on one of the 80 interviews I watched. So Andy has his in-ears in, right? You're panicked.

Biggest gig of my life. And immediately before it starts, we are like three seconds out from Showtime. And what do you hear in the inners? I hear Snoop Dogg asked Dr. Dre, hey, cuss, is it lauddy-da-di-da-da or da-da-da-da-a-da? Five, four, three, two, one, like, boom. I just hear Drake go, what the fuck?

And like, that's it. La-da-da-da-da. Go, you're gone. You go to stage. Oh, my. My God. Was that a little comforting, though? It was.

I bet it was like, oh, good. He don't know he's doing either. No one does. That's incredible. This is everyone's biggest gig of their life. I know, but that's the thing about him. He doesn't have a biggest gig. And that's why he's so cool.

Snoop was going to do bar mitzvah, probably that same day. Exactly. Yeah, like down the street, you know. And so he's a big inspiration, too. Just do it, man. You never know what's going to happen. Now, I learned this when we interviewed Leon Bridges, who again, I want to be a bigger fan of Leon Bridges.

What a dude. And you directed motorbike. Was that the first thing you directed? How do we get into directing? My son and COVID, you want to be a YouTuber? And I was like stuck in the house. I'm like, okay, let's see. He had no subscribers.

So I was like, let's juice it. Like, come on. Let's figure out. Utilize your dad. You know what I'm saying? Let's do some skits. I start doing skits and I get more into it than he is. I'm like, oh my God, this is great.

When I was younger, I used to do home videos all the time. My sister in high school, I was into video editing. I went to like a technology school, magnet school. So one of the electives was video editing. It was a whole world that I was obsessed with. And I used to love editing and making my own videos and doing all that stuff. So when I got with my son in COVID, it brought all that back, got my laptop out. And I was like, dude, let's do some funny skits.

And I would be up all night to post. And so he inspired me to write a script. And I wanted to do a movie. And I knew that I needed some experience. I needed some time on set, working and learning the language, to even get a reel so that people will fund it. I was watching all this stuff. And I was like, okay, the movies that I like, nine times of ten, it's like they wrote it themselves and they just did it themselves. And I grew up on watching like Ice Cube Friday and Spike Lee, all these stuff. So they kind of just took it in their

own hands. Again, they worked with the people next to them. And so I was like, cool, I'm going to just do that. But I need some experience. So I was like, I'm going to do a bunch of music videos. I want to get like 10, 15 music videos. I told my team, I was like, anybody who's down to let me direct, I'll send treatments and let them know I'm serious. And Leon was one of the first people. And I was working with a really talented DP who showed me a lot, showed me the ropes to Heila. And we put together a treatment where we want to do film. And I was like, I want to do narrative music videos because eventually I want to do a movie.

So this is all to help me get experience with that. And Leon was down. And Leon was great. I had this whole narrative. I'm like, at the end, you're going to get shot in the gut. He was just down. He was such a sweet guy. Oh, he's so sweet.

He needs to be protected. And I was like, we're going to make you. sex symbol and I want you to like be with the girl making out and all this stuff and he was like so shy and I had to like switch some stuff up he's very shy that's his best song on shy yeah yeah so yeah he was great but that's how I got into directing okay and now you've written this script co-wrote it with another talented writer Kayla Amazon okay how'd you meet her I met her through the production team Stampede who gave me the initial funding for this idea I had called k pops where I'm like a washed up musician that finds out his son could be the next k-pop star. Oh, fun. It was totally inspired by my son and in the house. My ex-wife now, they were obsessed with K-pop and everyone was going crazy. So I was kind of the outside guy looking in hip-hop like, well, you need to know about Tupac as well. And like, you know, they were just like, screw you, you know, they're like, we're Korean. And so it's like, oh, this could be funny. The disgruntled, salty musician that begrudgingly has to go into this K-pop world,

but ends up finding out he has a son. He takes a job as a drummer on this competition. show in Korea. And when he gets there, he kind of meets this little kid, who's your real son. Yeah. Which is incredible. He's dangerous. He's 2.0. He's killing it.

He's bilingual. I took it to them and they were like, we love it. And they were like, we'll give you the money for it. And I was like, wait, serious. And it was the toughest thing I ever did. How about leading up to day one of production? I almost didn't do it. I tried to weasel out of it.

I'm in over my head. I'm a sham. Yeah. I'm going to get exposed. I turned my way into the situation. Exactly. And now we're fucked because I don't have the goods. Chickens have come to roost.

Yeah. I owe a lot of people. You know? It's so, it's like, and I got my family involved now. I got my son. Everyone's looking at me. This is the crazy part. It was like the strikes were happening.

I was about to like use that. I'm like, you know the strikes. Yeah, again, you start building the bullshit story. And it's sounding better and better. We tried. This is logical. I want to do it. I don't want to be a prick.

Yeah. Come on. I'm on a picket line. I can. I'm going to do it. I'd love to. I'd love to. They won't let me.

Morally. Yeah. You know? Oh, God. And I remember talking to my son, I'm like, do you even want to do it? Because I was the other things. Yeah. I hope and maybe he can pull the floor for you.

You tell me you don't want to do it. You ain't got to do this kid. My son's my number one priority. Yeah, exactly. My son doesn't want to do this. We're also full of shit. Yeah, dude. I was going to pull that one.

He's a child. He wants to be a kid. Let him be a kid. Everything with them. He's like, I better fucking do this. You had me in acting classes for a year straight. And choreo, I'm like, shit. The leap is just like, just start the thing.

And there's really no space for the fear. Yeah. As soon as I got on set, I was like, this is the greatest. Oh, good. Yeah. I was waking up every morning. Like, you got to be the first one on set and the last one off. I got to learn so much and my team was the best.

My DP was like old school dude that comes from TV. he had been wanted to do something with music and this was like his first real film that he got to do and he was like on the set of not mash but those kind of shows Oh wow yeah yeah yeah So everyone was rooting for me He's 106

He's 1006 He had to take nap, right? He did die in the middle Yeah he's he's no longer with this He would have wanted it this way New Division, the camera stepped up. You're my A now, all right? You would have wanted it this way.

You were in a cam yesterday. You're the DP today. Look who's got a promotion. Where did you shoot? I shot on Rafford. I shot in K-Town. I shot in Korea. Is the record shop in the alley here or there?

It's there. That felt real. You saw the film. I watched it last night. Oh my God. What did you think? I loved it. You know why I loved it?

If you can go. I got the thing in my head out under the screen. in the exact way I wanted to. That's the victory of a lifetime. And I'm watching your movie and I'm like, this is Anderson Pack. Yeah. This is Anderson Pack's soul.

It's wall to wall music. It's dancing. It's so fun. There's so much love for your kid in it. Everything that is you is on the screen. And I was like, what an accomplishment for him for his first thing to have gotten his soul out in such a palpable and tangible way.

So it's a huge victory. It made me. me so happy the exact same way your music makes me and watching you play drums makes me it's another little domain that you executed who you are which is hard to do very hard and i hope you feel that when you watch it like oh i did the thing my spirit is there that's awesome yeah the music was that part easier for you or also is very challenging it was tough i mean doing like needle drops yeah i was having a ball sure yeah that's the fun time told me how much it costs and i was like let's just use my stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you got some favors, I think. I was listening to the needle drops and I was like, that's an expensive song. I don't know what version you saw. But yeah. Up until recently, I had to fucking update.

Some of them are cooked in there. We can't. But it was like, oh, man, shit costs. But that's the thing. You learn every time. If it's, like, important for you, if you want needle drops, that has to be a very important thing for the budget. Like, now I know, now, you know, going in.

Yeah. And you can get married and it can be the scene. Yeah. A lot of the scenes, like, I'm thinking about the music first. I'm making. the scene based off the song that I know I want to use. I'm very much making movies like how I'll make an album. So that's one thing I learned.

But the scoring is a whole different thing. The first I got to score, she's like a prodigy. She was like 12. One of the soul Rashid's friends. Yeah. Who's that little prodigy kid? Who's your girlfriend? I'm pretty sure she can do it.

She had a violin. I bring that. She's like a, you know, virtuoso. And I don't know how to speak the language. I'm like, you just make it happier, her, darker, here, make it blue. I don't fucking know. The score of Make a Break a scene, especially for like the more emotional points that I wanted to be cheesy.

You're dancing this fucking line. It's like, I need the emotion, but I don't want to be caught manipulating. Exactly. I don't want to tell them how to feel. But then also it's like we're not making this deep, ethereal things either. I want to feel good, warm family. There's a family movie. Yeah.

When my mom and like my sister is going to watch it. And I love those kind of like Sundance Deep Oscar things. But I'm always the odd man out. wanting to watch that kind of shit. And then my sisters are like, what the fuck is this? You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Put on Tyler Perry, bro. So it's just walking that fine line. The thing I reminded me the most of is pitch perfect weirdly. Oh, I love pitch perfect. I don't know why that just kept coming up. Because everyone in the cast is young.

Yeah. And they're hungry and they're cute. Yeah. And just learning to dance and learning to sing. School of Rock. Yeah. That was like our movie Bible, sing street and stuff like that. Yeah.

I assume you feel an extra. pressure with the music because you're like, people are also going to be looking extra hard at the music because it's me. That's annoying too. My DP is like, they're going to be on your ass about directing and acting. No one's going to cut you any slack. The most you could do is just make it you. That's why I'm really happy that I was a part of the writing. Honestly, it wasn't a stretch to play the character. I'm playing pretty much myself, but like a washed version, which is really fun. I love the self-deprecating shit. I was like, oh my God, he's so fucking natural. And then your son is so goddamn natural. That's who I was like writing the co-tell of. That was the whole point. I was like,

son, you got this. Let me ride your wave. Are you going to make more movies? I would love to. Yeah. If I ever get to work in this town again, I will continue to make some more movies. You had Earth went and fire in it? Earth went in fire.

How'd you get that? Dude, big favors. I owe a lot of people. A lot of promises have been made. Was it fun to play with them? It was so much fun. And I got to do a little improv with them. And they were so cool.

They loved the story. They were like, cool, we'll do it. It was so nerve-wracking for me because that was a big scene. And we did it in the hard rock cut. FAA in Hollywood Boulevard and renting it out for a certain time. And I got extras and I got them. And they're like one of my biggest idols. And I'm just like, ah, I got cameras.

And I got to do this. It's okay if we do another take here. Then I got my son. Yeah. It was like one of the last shots too. So I was just like, who, it was a lot going on. I chain smoke my brains out that whole process. But yeah, they were great and they were really cool.

And I got to do funny improv with them. And it was a huge, huge thing. My thing I do when I'm directing is, and I had, an assistant say to me, I'm a little worried about your Starbucks order because I would get a venty drift and then three dopios to start the day.

That's a dopio. Double shot of espresso. That was like the morning coffee order for a week. Yeah, I don't know. He's like, you're a drain of this. Yeah. Straight up, man. The movie's great. People should see it. K-pop's.

Yeah, February 27th. It comes out. AMC theaters. So on. your stomach, now some personal curiosities. Trust your gut. Yeah. That could have come about for two reasons because you didn't

and you need a reminder or you have and it's the reason. Why is it on there? I was just trying to get out the house. It was in COVID. And I was losing my mind. And I was like, I'm going to go get a chest piece. I'll be back. And those are like the only spots like kind of still open

like sketchy like we're open. Get a tattoo. You don't give a fuck. Yeah, I was like, fuck, can we drink there? Yeah, and I would go to this garage, and I got a bunch of tattoos. Mac was another one. It was like, get one part, a limb or something where it's just for like funny tattoos. And I was like, his leg had like a bunch of stuff. So like on this arm, I got like Marge with like Homer's eyes as her boobs and like this crazy shit, you know?

Oh, you got an animal. Yeah, I got animal, the drumming, got this whole thing. So I had a different tat that I wanted to do. And somehow that didn't work out. So I was like, okay, well, let's just do a stomach tat. Like, that should be cool. I had no clue how much pain I would be in. And they were like, what do you want?

I was like, trust your gut. That seems ironic. Because it's funny. It's funny. I'm very much like just go with my instinct. I try to. And it's a good reminder for me too. Because every time I didn't, I'm like, why the fuck did I do?

I should just listened to myself. It was excruciating. Ew. But I felt like accomplished like after you do a movie too. You know, I was like, I did that. Yeah. If you had to, what are your three favorite songs of yours? I mean, come down is a big one.

another one that I really like it's not like a huge one but it's called Fire in the Sky I really like that one it was on the Sheng Chi soundtrack that I did with Roje who also does stuff for the soundtrack but I really like that one and I like what more can I say

it's another one that I did with knowledge if you kind of like need an overall of who I am and my struggle as an artist and a hopeless romantic and just me I think that kind of sums it up and it's a really short song but it's It's you. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, you've said a few times my ex-wife, you guys did 13 years together. Yeah. I have said this numerous times on here, like, should my wife and I ever get divorced, I would refuse to ever look at that as a failure because it's been such a successful 18 years, the things we've created together and these children we've created together. Do you walk from that with a feeling of like a failure? I talked to my mom about it too.

This is like, everyone was like, is there anything you can't do? And I was like, well, marriage. And I feel the same way I feel so close to her. still and we're family. We came from couches. We grew up in our 20s. She's like a music student from Korea. She came from Korea, even sing. Talk about we marry our mom. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's weird. I don't even know, like, even how to say it sometimes. It feels like diminishing. Yeah, I did battle with that. I look at couples that stay together forever and it's not about like your happiness. You just muster it through it. And so I was like, damn, maybe I could have been like

that. But over time, it gets better. They think that's what it is. Everyone's happiness matters. And I'm seeing her flourish. And she came out here could hardly speak English and from Korea and just trusted me. And we're just young in love and had a kid and all this stuff that came about. Yeah. And now she's getting to experience that now learn more by herself. I'm seeing it now. And she's rich now.

And I wouldn't have changed anything. And we're getting to learn how to be co-parents. And my sons are so resilient. You don't know how these things can affect kids. And I'm pretty sure he's dealing with it. And we're both very much in his life and making sure like he's okay. I'm seeing now he has such interest in playing guitar. And he's doing the same things that I'm doing.

Like same trajectory. Now he's making beats. He grew up playing in church. His little brother singing and all this stuff. And he's such a good older brother. So I'm seeing how they're taking it. What's the little one's name? Is it?

Shine. Who's Kenzo? I used to call my oldest Kinzo. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That was his nickname. Paul. Yeah, yeah, that soul. He's like a full grown man now. He's 15 now. It's good for them probably. It really is good. And we're getting along better than ever. And we each getting like our time with the kids. And it's cool. We're getting to do like holidays on my house and everybody's easing into it. Are you still religious? I think I'm more spiritual, I guess, now. But yeah, I'm still very much believe in God and have that in me. I think that's part of my foundation. And I'm very happy that I did grow up and have that foundation.

Because you came to it late. You came to go play drums there. Yeah. And it got you, right? Absolutely. Throwing away all my Snoop dog CDs and stuff. I'm only going to listen to this. And I'm going to get baptized and stuff.

You're never having sex. Feeling shame after you beat off. Exactly. Yeah. And that's why. Try to quit beating on. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. Good luck. I got to get married so I can do this legit. Yeah. Oh, dude, this has been so fun. I'm so glad this finally happened. It's been a pleasure. You know, open up a fucking steakhouse.

so I can come to that. Oh, you got one. Oh, okay, you're serving. Send us your enemies. We got steak. We'll go. We got to go. We got to.

We got to. We got to. We got to go. Sounds awesome. Okay. And then everyone check out K-pop's. It is Anderson Pack on screen. Yay.

In all the ways that you could be on screen. Love you. This is great. Thank you. Thank you. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here.

She's got to let him have the facts. Is this a recording? Are we in a recording? Yeah, so to catch everyone up, I have, my back is hurting a little bit and my You have a UTI. I don't know what it is, but I have something maybe, and it's, I think, due to an increased water intake. Yeah, yeah. To which I said, only you would think drinking a lot of water could have been detrimental.

But the reason I drank more water. Yeah, tell me. I have something that's changed my life. Oh, my goodness. I know. It's a big deal. Big update. Huge update.

I got a new planner. Okay, like a day planner? Yeah. Okay. But it's specific. It's like... Is it digital or paper? It's paper.

Yeah. Good. It's a paper planner and it's very specific. It has your top three priorities for the day. and then it has tasks. You can write your tasks and it has like, it has like a little talent. How do your priorities differ from tasks? Right.

So you could have like eight tasks, but you have three priorities for the day. So like you might not get everything done, but like the priorities are the most prioritized. That's right. Okay. So what were your priorities? I'm really curious. I wouldn't even know how to answer what my priorities are. Okay.

So today my priorities, I think one of them is to visit a friend. who is the hospital after having a child. Okay. That's a priority. Yeah, big one. There was, shoot, I didn't bring it. Okay, but that's not a task. That's a priority.

To me, I mean, I wrote it also in the calendar as a thing to do. So you can, it can double up tasks. Yeah, you can do it every one. Oh, I had, yeah, and I got to check that one off. No, I had like start setting up utilities for my house. Oh, right. I have to do that. I keep pushing it off as a task and it has to happen today.

Kicking the can. Exactly. And there was one other thing that I forget. But then you have a daily intention. Okay. Which I love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there is a I'm grateful for.

Uh-huh. Nice. Yeah, okay. So that's a spiritual journal too. It's great. It's all of it. So I do those things in the morning. Okay, as now part of your morning routine. You get your day planner out. Is it Franklin Day Planner? That was the one that was very popular when I worked for my mom. No, that one was fancy. Yeah. And you could even, I think, go to like a weekend seminar about your Franklin Day Planner, which I never attended. But my mom did get me the whole kit. And it had a nice little bound leather case, which was nice. I need to find the brand. I'll find the brand. There's a really cute little store in Atwater that has all these notebooks and planners and pens and greeting cards and it's so cute. Now, I did, so I went and I got this planner and I used it the first day and I was like, oh, my God, my life has changed. So I told Jess about it. And so we walked there the next day and we got him one. But so.

But you walked to Atwater from your house? Uh-huh. Oh, how long does that take? Half hour? Yeah, about a half hour, 35, 40. 48 minutes. Yeah. So we walked there and then I had like a real panic because I bought a blue one and it's

beautiful. It's a beautiful light blue. But there was one more color and I was having a hard time deciding when I was in the store when I was buying it. There was one that was like a little more green. And I ended up picking the blue. Okay. But it was tough.

It was tough. I was holding both. And I was like, ooh. You saying I prefer the blue, but I know green equals genius. I should have the green. No, it's just they were both such beautiful colors. Okay. And unique, like really pretty shades of both colors.

Unlike this year's pantone color, that's not a color. Cloud Atlas. Yeah, yeah. I mean, cloud dancer. I mean, who cares? It's not a color. Okay, so then we go and, you know, I picked the blue. I felt good about my blue.

I came home. I used it. I just love it. And then when Jess and I go, he was like, well, I should get the other colors. you got this. And when I saw him holding it, I was like, I want that one. This is dangerous. If someone gets the one you're debating between, that's ripe for disaster.

Really tough because all of a sudden, that was the one I wanted it. And I asked him if I could get another one. I could have two. Okay. And he said no. Okay, good. He helped put some limits on here. He said, no, you can't.

You can't really use two planners. Exactly. I mean, I could write in it twice. That's crazy. And then. Yeah, that would be. It's wasteful. That could be in an admittance form for a psych ward.

Are you using multiple planners with duplicate pages? Yeah. Ramona and Ruth? Yeah. Oh, wonderful. We found it R&R. It's really cute. And today my daily, yeah, that's it.

My morning routine is the left page. Okay. Today my intention was to accept acceptance. Oh, great. Okay. Always a great intention. Uh-huh. And so today I accept the I have the blue planner. Okay. And by the way, I already see now what happened with the water because there is a little chart with one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten glasses of water outlined. And presumably you check those off as you. Exactly. So my nighttime routine is the right side where you write down, there's a nourishment section. So you write down which you ate. It has like morning lunch and lunch. night. Then there's a water intake. I've added on my own an alcohol intake. Oh, all right.

I think that's good for me to be tracking. Oh, I see. Not as a reminder to drink alcohol, but as a, let's make sure we're not drinking too much. Well, yeah, it's like, how much am I consuming? Okay, that's much better. You can see where I thought it was like, that's on your to-do's alcohol. And then there's a notes section. At the bottom, there's favorite part of my day today. Yeah, this is pretty great. I got to say it's kind of a rethink of a day plan. planner. Yes. At the top, right, there's a box that says today's active self-care. We don't need that. People need to stop spoiling themselves. No, self-care can be just, I went to bed earlier.

We're getting weak as a nation. No. And then there's today's movement. And there's options. There's walk, run, yoga, Pilates, cycle, weights, stretch. So, and then there's top three priorities for tomorrow, which I like. Then you're planning ahead. Yeah. Okay, so this is great. So that's why we walked to Atwater because I was like, we got to get my movement in tomorrow. Oh, right. Okay. So we did the walk. It should track other movements too.

You should have a ball movement. Oh, I can add it. It's part of your health. I mean, more so than I would argue some of the others. That's true. And the water was interesting for me because I was like, I got it. I got it. You want to check it off.

Yeah, yeah. You're such an achiever. Like all you need to know is how. to get an A. Exactly. It's good for me. Yes. But I drink too much and now I have a UTI.

Right. Probably not. So there can be backfires. You ever drink cranberry juice? That's supposed to be real helpful. Yeah. Keep the urinary track healthy. A reminder for.

Monica. Oh my God. What the fuck was that? You're now playing voicemails on that? Walgrey. I don't know how that happened. I don't like what just happened. Your computer is way too emboldened and autonomous.

I agree. It's scary. It rings and stuff. It shouldn't do anything. You should tell it like, hey, I have a phone for this stuff. I know. I don't like that. It just happened.

It actually reminds me of something. Oh, tell me. There's like a gossipy part of this conversation, which I'm not really interested in having. Okay. Just Blake Lively? Yeah. Okay. So, you know, obviously that everyone knows what's going on with Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni and the court case.

And then Taylor's texts were subpoenaed. Yeah. So that's what I want to talk about. So not just hers, but like she had a text exchange with Ben and Matt. Oh, uh-huh. And that's available. Yeah. And I got very startled by this.

Yeah. Oh, my God, nothing is private. Yeah. If you're in court, yeah. Yeah, but you don't know. But Ben and Matt aren't in court. And now their text. They're drug into court.

Yeah. Yeah, that does feel like they should redact. Who it is. But I'm sure it's relevant. I mean, kind of. I saw them. It was about, she was talking about the movie. And then they said, or I don't know what Ben said, but Matt and his wife are dragged into this.

And they're saying, like, if you want to next, like, if your soul isn't fully, you know, burned by this, come direct your next movie at artist. Very sweet and kind. But I'm like, what? That doesn't, we don't need to see that. And I got defensive on their part because they're my boyfriends. And I got defensive on Taylor's part because I love her. I want to know, I'm more curious, these were all on her phone or they subpoenaed other people's phone that they knew she had been communicating with and it was on their phone. Whose phone got subpoenaed?

Call me, you're a lawyer and explain that you need to subpoena my phone. Go ahead. Hi, is this Zach Shepard? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Hi, this is Monica Padman. I am a podcaster, but also a lawyer. Oh, great.

And your friend, Dan Stinklstein, I don't know if you've heard, but there's a trial. He's in a dust up, yeah. He is, yes, and we need to subpoena your phone for your interactions. Oh, we know you do because we see his text. I don't. Yeah, I don't have it anymore. Okay. We do have a warrant to come search your home.

Yeah, come look. I don't have one. Okay, you're being really difficult. Okay. Sue me for difficulty, I guess. I think we might have to. This reminds me, you know, I have a story like this. Some people might not like this story.

I guess I can live with that, which was, you know this story already, which was when I directed hit and run. I hired an animal wrangler. I didn't hire an animal wrangler. I needed a pit bull in a scene. So you have to hire an animal wrangler. The production hired it. The guy came with a pit bull, and then all of a sudden, he was inviting people to the

back of his car to look at a tiger. He had like a baby tiger in his back. Yeah. Whatever. Again, I don't think anything of it. Animal Wrangler, I'm sure this guy was a permit for this. Maybe he's going to another job with a baby tiger. I just don't even think about it.

Yeah. But he gets Bradley Cooper to hold this tiger in the parking lot. And then he takes a picture and then he's, I think, allegedly, I think he leaked it to the tabloids. And all of a sudden there was a tabloid photo of Cooper in that crazy dreadlock wig holding a a fucking tiger. Oh, no. Whatever, movie comes out. I am then finishing that movie, editing in my house when I'm not at Parenthood.

I'm also shooting, like, I've resumed parenthood. And so I'm filming full time on that show. And then every off minute, I'm editing this movie I made. So I'm on set in the phone rings. And it's like, is this Jack Shepperman? I was like, yeah, I don't even know why I answer it, but I did. Yeah, this is, uh, yeah, this is detective so-and-so with the ATF or agent so-and-so. And I go, okay, yeah, what's up?

He's like, uh, so I'm calling in regards to. A movie you directed hitting around, I'm thinking, what on earth would the ATF be calling me about a movie I directed? I'm like, yeah, okay. And he's like, you hired an animal wrangler who we've been tracking, who's been illegally moving exotic cats across state lines, which is illegal. And I go, oh, okay. And he said, so I'd like to get together.

Tell me a time you have. I'd like to get together and talk about this. And I said, well, that would be a waste of your time and mine. I know nothing about that guy. I didn't hire the guy. I told a producer I needed a fucking pit bull. And then this guy shows up. Yeah.

And he goes, great. So let's just pick a time that we can get together. And I go, no, no, I just told you every single thing I know about it, which is nothing. And he goes, great. Well, we're going to need to meet and talk about it. And there is this long beat. And I was like, do you have to meet them? Right.

And I go, no, I'm not going to meet you. Yeah. Like, I refuse to waste your time in mind. I don't know anything other than what I just told you. I didn't hire it because I know the person's name. And he was really flummoxed. I can tell. I could tell then people don't say no.

Exactly. No, there's a lot of this. But it was kind of a crazy. I hung up and I was just, I was even feeling like him. I'm like, oh, is I allowed to do that? No one knows what they're allowed to do and not allowed to do. And you're allowed to say no.

They can like, yeah, they could do a warrant or they could, you know, haul you in and charge you, whatever. Yeah. No one knows these things. Things were not really tough. I just simply didn't have the time to go meet a fucking guy and talk about something I didn't know for an hour. So I just, to me, it was very cut and dry. Like, no, I refuse to try to make this happen.

I know, like, we don't know if it's illegal. But it's not. Like, you can say no to things. I was never found in contempt of court or anything. And my consistently disagreeable self just thought, well, I'm going to start with saying no. And then we'll find out maybe if I have to do it. Yeah, because then they'll show some legal documents saying they can. Yeah.

Even some of those are tricky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't always have to comply. You have to, like, know which ones are real. Yeah. It's tricks. I was also very confused why the AT, why exotic animal trade fell under the jurisdiction of the ATF. I mean, I guess it has to fall somewhere in the federal system.

And it certainly wouldn't make sense in the DEA. I feel like maybe FBI might have an animal. I don't know, but it was alcohol, tobacco and firearms. That is, makes no sense. Maybe because there's so much interstate trafficking is what they actually patrol. Like you can have a fire. I have a handgun here that's registered to me. It's very legal for me to have this year, but I can't travel across state lines with it.

And then that becomes a federal crime once I do that. So maybe because there's so much about trafficking, they just grabbed exotic animals. Maybe. Anywho. Sorry, I hijacked your story. No, the text. Sorry. It just made me think, like, oh, my God.

any, I got, I'm not someone at all who like cares about privacy, really. I don't. But, but, but all of a sudden I was like, oh, like on behalf of all these people, I was like, why does everyone get to read Taylor's text? And like, you know, people are like, oh my God, she like text like this. She, there's a space, she does a space between. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is so annoying for her. Yeah, there's text that would take me out at the knees. You know, I have friends that I've been friends with for 40 years that I say mean stuff to as a joke. All of it. Yeah, yeah.

I know. You and I have exchanges all the time. And I'm sure it would be like, boy, these two are heartless, but it's like, oh, we're making fun of, so I don't know. It's just if you're going to have real. Yeah. I was like, I hate, I hate all this. And I was like, oh, my God, I got to delete my entire phone. And the cloud, like, the cloud.

It's all in the cloud. And I hate like, why? Hi, this is bad. That's why I threw my phone away. Back to you being a detective. That's why I threw it away. So you don't, how do you communicate with people? Letters.

Okay. Yeah. And then I have some folks I work with that schedule, my professional life. And do you have a calendar on your phone? No. Okay. Because we did have to subpoena Monica, your co-worker. Yeah, yeah.

She uses a calendar, yeah. Yeah. We see that she has, she has access. to your calendar. I don't use it though. Yeah, she has access to a calendar I used to use. Okay, but it did say you added a something to the schedule. Just let's see.

No, she added. No, it says it's clear that it was you. Oh, that's not me. All right, man, I got to run. I don't even know how you call me because I don't have a phone. So we're on your telephone right this very second. I got my kids a landline and they love it. It's called Tin Can.

You should check it out. Keep her kids busy for days. Right. And they can call Grandma. Oh. I want to give a testimonial to Frankenstein. I'm seeing it this weekend. Okay.

I have a testimonial and a grievance. Oh, as always. I always have agreements. Okay. First of all, this movie is fucking incredible. Great.

And what was fun is we started it with Molly and Eric at the birthday party, and then we finished it last night. But before it started, I said, and they, lest you think, I'm really annoying and lecturing cinephile. They like when I explain some show business stuff because that's not their world. So I just said before it started, do you guys know anything about Guillermo del Toro?

And they're like, not really. And I'm like, okay, Pan's Labr, but I started naming movies. I said, what he is an absolute master at is the visuals are off the charts. He's just so visually stunning. Yes. So that was fun and it immediately delivered. Like frame one. It's like this backlit sunset.

It's just gorgeous. Everything's so gorgeous. I'm like, I got to know if he paints this stuff. Like, how on earth did they get to this? It's so impressive. Yeah. The movie's awesome, man. And it's heartbreaking.

And these stories, they keep coming up. And I think they're because male writers, you know, these stories where someone's a beast and they can't have love. But at any rate, the movie's phenomenal. We're both going, I didn't even know Oscar Isaac was in the movie, really. I just knew Jacob Allerty was the monster. That's what's been getting all the attention. Yeah. That's how I'm seeing on carpets and stuff.

He's there. But yeah. Is he? Yeah, he is. Okay. So he is phenomenal. And it is a thankless role in that he's detestable. He is fucking detestable.

He's the. He's Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein, the doctor who creates the monster. Right. And he is absolutely zero vanity. He gives the performance of a lifetime. He's so fucking good. And Jacob of Lord, he's great. Yes.

He's great. I'm delighted he was nominated for an Oscar. Yeah. But Chris and I are both spinning out about like most of the movie is Isaac. And so then we're like, did he get nominated for an Academy Award? And Jacob did. Yeah, he did. And Isaac didn't.

And I was like, oh, my God, this is the frailty of human objectivity. Because he's a detestable character, people were put off by him. I mean, clearly he deserved. I mean, it's outrageous when you watch it that he wouldn't have been nominated. And I think it's because you don't like him so much. People couldn't. Do you think that? Because, I mean, maybe.

I do. There's no other explanation. But like Sean Penn was nominated as he should be. And he plays the worst of the role. Oh. But as the lead of our movie, we want our hero to be someone we root for. It's so baked into what we're used to that you have this weird subconscious conflict. going on that he is our hero in an essence.

He's who we're following the most. Right. But I just think you hate him. Yeah. And so people didn't want to reward really the character and not the actor. It might be true. It's a hard year, though. I will say it is a hard year for nominations.

Who are the male lead nominees? Okay. Male Oscar. Because I obviously love Shalemae and I love Leo. They both were great. This is why nominations for movies are impossible. Sure. You can't.

They're all different. Yeah, yeah. And they're all amazing. Like how can you, okay. So Leonardo DiCaprio, Timothy, Wagner Mora, who's been winning. He's the one, the secret agent, which is a Brazilian movie. Okay. Oh, I love that actor.

I love that actor. But I haven't seen the movie. Well, that movie's supposed to be amazing, the secret agent. I really want to watch that too. But yeah, Wagner Mora, Timmy. Michael B and Ethan Hawk is also nominated. Okay. I didn't see Blue Moon, so I don't.

I don't know. But, oh, but we love Ethan Hawk. Yes. It's just too hard. Look, I just, I think these things are really hard. There's not, all those actors are phenomenal. Yeah, it's just, you know, the monster's so sympathetic. Your heart is just breaking for the monster the whole time.

Yeah. Wait, I didn't see Jacob Allorty on there. He's not a supporting actor. Oh, sorry. looked up the mains. Yeah, yeah. I think he's got a supporting. Oh, that probably is right.

Yeah, he did. He did. Yes, he did. But, you know, your heart is just breaking for this monster from the second you meet him. And I do think that infects you want to reward the monster. Yeah. And then you want to punish Victor Frankenstein.

Maybe, yeah. It's just an off-the-charts performance, I guess, is the most important thing I want to say. I'm excited to say it. Yeah. He's incredible. very excited. I love him. He's such an incredible actor. Okay, yeah. So, okay, so that's a grievance and an accolence. An endorsement. Yeah. And a call to action. Watch that movie. It's spectacular. I'm excited to watch it. I saw sinners for the first time, which I'm late on, very, very late on.

And it was so good. I thought it was so, I thought they were juggling. Ryan Coole was juggling. It was juggling. so much. He's telling so many stories at once while also like telling a very important history lesson. Yeah. And I thought it was beautifully done. And I love the parallel between the Irish and the Black folks. This is my favorite. That whole music sequence. Oh my God. All the music is on. I don't know how they assembled that whole thing where there's a DJ all of a sudden. I was so cool. Remember this was the movie I had come back from when I told you, I was like looking at the black dude next to me. And I'm like, does he feel this wonderful pride and connection to that? Yeah.

You could also feel like, why don't I feel a connection to that? I'm sure it's individual. Yes, I think so. Well, that's what I was thinking is I guess what my fear would be that you somehow grew up completely outside of black culture. And then you would have some guilt. It would induce some guilt that you should be connecting. in a way that you're not.

I don't know. I don't know. I just so curious. Or sadness that you've missed out on that. But I don't, I feel that it's probably pretty rare to be a black person in this country and be totally void of a connection to it because it's all around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is not like what I could do.

Yes, yes. But ding, ding, ding Anderson Pack, right? Like that thing we're talking about like close the door, step inside, feel the vibe. We got this stuff. Like that's also like, it's just such a. rich culture that a lot of people have got to experience that backyard barbecue bliss. Yeah. And then some people didn't get to experience that.

They might not have gotten to experience that, but they definitely got to experience what it's like to be black in America. Yeah. Yeah. But again, that's kind of my point. It would suck if it is all you felt was the prejudice and you didn't feel this other thing, which is so beautiful and unique and lucky. Yeah. And part of the fabric of this.

You didn't get the trade off of it. That was like kind of what I was obsessing about is like it would really suck if you got only the downside. Yeah. And none of this very enviable part of it all. Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare. It was really, it was so good. I really recommend that too if people have not seen it. But I think a lot of people have seen it.

It's pretty stellar. It's really good. It got the most nominations. Did it? Mm-hmm. Anderson. Anderson, might you want to do some facts? Okay.

Well, I just love them. I want to say how excited I was to have Anderson. Incredible. Didn't you know the craziest thing was I think I told you already I had dinner with Malcolm that maybe two days later. Uh-huh. And he interviewed him right after we did. Oh, no way.

And that's cool. I said to him, do you think you could ever describe that guy to somebody and not use the adjective light. And he's like, absolutely not. He's like, he walks in and smiles and it's just like, it's so powerful. He said something really beautiful about that. Like, it's sort of a way to find peace. Yeah.

And, yeah, life is hard. Yeah, yeah. Life is really hard. A hard, much harder for some, but hard for everyone. Yeah. Emotionally, it just is. Okay. What is happening?

Play a message from CVS. Oh. No, I was looking at the things I wrote. I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't know why I wrote this, but I do have a scratch on my boob that I don't understand where it came from. Okay, look, you have a UTI and scratches on your boob. You've hooked up with someone and you're not telling Rob and I.

I don't know more clues that we need to have. And the best part is you hooked up with a guy with long fingernails. There's a hickie on my thigh. That's my kink. Yeah, I don't know where there's hickey on my thigh and my UTI on my scratchy boobs. Do you ever wake up and there's just weird stuff? Constantly, Monica, I tell you this all the time. Like, I'm constantly bleeding.

And I'm like, what did I nick? I currently, I did it yesterday. At least I know where that one came from. But so often I feel like my Papa Bob just my paper skin and I have like cuts. But for me it's always in the night. Right. You're wily at night. What's going on in the night?

Nobody knows. You have seizures. You pee your bed. Those were connected. I know. Okay. I just don't want people to think that's something I do. Not seizure-induced.

Exactly. No, nocturnal emissions. No. If I did that, I would be wearing a dite. A dipe. Yeah. Which, again, we found out guys wouldn't mind at all. You wouldn't mind.

That's so cute. She's got to throw her dipe on. I don't know. She's 38, but fuck it. Who cares? Guys just wouldn't care. But girls, every girl, care. Right.

No girl would date a guy that wears a dipe. Well, I don't want to say no. We don't know why there. That's true. We just did kings. Exactly. I was about to say Easter egg. There's an armchair anonymous about Kings. That's really, really good.

Yeah. So there's a pot for. If we compare to the averages. Yeah. I have to imagine, far fewer women would be willing. They'd be like, well, this is the final step. Like you probably live on your mom's couch. You wear a diaper still.

When are you going to grow up and be a man? I know. Okay. But now that we're talking it through, I feel. I feel like a lot of women... Want a guy in a dite? No, they don't want. But they are like...

They put up with a lot of shit. They do, but they find out later. I mean, they're not going to have sex with that husband. If he's got to remove his dive. They're like, yeah. Or if you can feel his erection through his dive. Someone's going to write in mad about that. Okay.

Anyway. Oh, that's... Oh, never mind. What? The monster. The monster wears a dipe, you know? He does? Yeah.

Yeah, Jacob Allerty. He does. Oh, no. And is it hot? Well, like, I think Eric might have been me. He was like, well, I wonder, did he give him a penis? Like, because he builds this monster out of dead bodies from a battlefield. So he's picking what he's going to.

And then you're like, well, did he take the time to give him a penis? Probably. And if you're going to select penises on a field of dead soldiers, why wouldn't you select a big old hog? And I'll tell you, it looked like you got a lot of business going on in his dipe. You could see it. Oh, it's bulging like crazy. It is. It's a choice. I mean, they definitely. Really?

It's a massive package in the dipe. You can't wait to see it now. In the dike. That's tough. And he doesn't speak. He speaks like a child monster. I don't want to ruin his progression of language competency. Yeah, there's something a little tough about seeing a big dick in a dite. Well, it's conflicting in probably a great way. And if he's acting like a baby, there's a lot.

There's a lot. I'm glad he got nominated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seems. I'm just saying there was a ton of equipment in the dike. I could ask him about the diet. Very attractive. Oh, it's insane.

I know. And look. The frame is outrageous. I know. And his frame is fucking crazy. I know it's like, duh, everyone knows Jacob Lordy's hot. Like, duh. He's kind of the first guy that my kids are saying, you know.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. That's fun. That's my. I, Leonardo DiCaprio or David Borianez. Yeah.

Speaking of that. Okay. In sinners, okay, if you haven't seen it, this is kind of a spoiler. Which my hunch is a big spoiler's coming just from the way you just rolled that out. There's something that happens in the movie that is revealed that is supernatural. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, what are the rules of this? Monster.

Vampire. Oh, yeah. Well, you're learning them. You're, yeah. Well, you know that they have to be invited in. Is that one you're talking about? Well, yeah, I forgot about that. Which is so cool.

I know. I love being reminded of all the vamp stuff. I know, but I think it's, so I was watching this with Jess, and all of a sudden, one of them flies. Sure. And I was like, no. I think if they're powerful enough. Jess said yes.

He said the Twilight Vamps flew. And I think the more powerful that you. get the better they get at flight. But Angel on Buffy, David Borianez, first love, he did not fly. Didn't have the budget. They would have loved to have had him fly. It wasn't digitally yet. You had to put them in wires and it would look crazy.

But they would have loved for him to fly. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think they flew in an interview with a vampire. They did? I feel like Tom Cruise took flight a few times. Because originally they're bats too, Dracula.

Yeah, Dwak. Would you rather be a vampire? Or a Frankenstein. I want to wear a dip. Oh my gosh. Would I rather be caught? A vampire or a Frankenstein? Frankenstein's monster, I guess.

Definitely a vamp. Because they can intermix and fool people. They can have a life. I know. The monster cannot get a fair shake from anybody. I feel bad saying this. Because it kind of seems like I didn't understand the point of the movie, which I did. I did.

I did. But I was kind of like being a vamp seems kind of fine. Like when they're all resists. Well, they're eating people. We don't care about that. I mean, I care. I care. It's bad.

It's bad. Okay. It's bad. Yeah, yeah. But I did have the thought, like, which I guess is, this is the temptation. This is the thing. Like, God, if we're all vamps. Well, then we would all die because there's nothing to eat.

We can't all be vamps. It's like a pyramid scheme. Eventually, the last person in vamps. and then everyone's fucked. But do they have to eat people every night? Like, again, like, I don't. That's their struggle. It's constantly having to suck blood.

But that's the premise of true blood. I never saw it. Oh, it's a great show. Shout out to Alexander Scarsgarth. Yes, and another sexy. They know to keep these monsters sexy. They do. They're smart.

You can't give us a hunchback and then also make them a monster. Also, it would be rude. It would be rude. Yeah, you got to be like make a gorgeous guy. Look disgusting. Well, it's also like that's part of the struggle. It's like, Yeah, you want to be tempted.

It's not fun if you're not. You want them to invite you. Like, everyone would be tempted by Alexander in true blood. Yeah, he's very. Did he fly? I can't remember. I don't think so. That also, was that CW or is that like HBO?

HB. HB.HBO. Oh, okay. Alan Ball. That's a high quality show. They could have flown if they wanted to. Okay, sorry, back to Anderson Pack. I did text him and say, the moment you're going to be dancing at Andy. You've got to call me.

Yeah, I know. I want to go to Andy's. Yeah, me too. Will you dance? Oh, think about it. They danced a lot in centers and it was cool. Yeah. I just can't dance like that.

Okay. And I only like doing things I'm good at. That's normal, I think. I think it's normal. Okay, he mentioned the gong show because his dad and brother went on the gong show, remember? And then they were twins and acting wily. Yeah, and I asked if they got the gong.

And he said no. They won. Yeah. Yeah. You know that show worked is you'd be performing. And if it was so bad, they could get up with this mallet and hit this six foot in diameter gong and send you packing. Yeah. It was a big show in the 70s, in 76, the original with Chuck Barris.

Who claimed to be a CIA operative who had murdered people. Yes, this came up on another episode. Fessions of a dangerous mind. Right. Yeah, because Sam Rockwell played. played Chuck Barris in this. And I think Clooney directed it maybe. Yeah.

Speaking of who also didn't get a nomination. See, hard year. Hard year. Who? Clooney. What would he have been nominated for? Jay Kelly. If people want to get nominated, they should come on our show.

Okay. We had someone cancel on us. Mm-hmm. Uh-oh. That I have real, I have like a real beef with. I'm not going to say who it is. Okay. It would have been a great episode.

And I'm angry. Okay. And I-Chi Rodriguez. Uh-huh. And this person got snubbed. And I just think that if they wouldn't have. If they came on that that that was karma or my dad. Okay.

Okay. And people need to be more scared of my dad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wrath of my dad. Now, gong show. How long has carrot top been in Vegas?

since 2005. So 21 years. Is he still active? Caratop has been a headliner in Vegas for over 20 years. He began his residency at the Luxor Hotel on November 22nd, 2005, and celebrated 20 years 2025. But yeah, I think it's still going. Yeah, it's still going.

Wow, sir. It's good for him. Good for him. He's probably at this point sold like 11 million tickets. It says often six nights a week. His residency is extended through 2030. Oh my gosh. Where at?

The atrium showroom at the Luxor Hotel and Casino. Yeah. Wow. He never forgot who brought him to the dance. He's one of the longest running headlining comedians in Vegas. That's the scene of my infamous stairwell. That's right. So I wanted to funny.

I posted the stairwell at Lafayette, Coney Island, which is the diciest stairwell in America. Did you happen to see that post of mine? I'm walking down these insanely tight stairs that are way too steep and I got a duck. It's like a submarine ship. That's at for the restaurant? That's at Lafayette, Kone Island. Yeah, that's how you get to their bathroom. Oh.

And someone wrote in the comments, is this the infamous stairwell with the Australian girl? And I was like, oh, my God. I can't even walk down these stairs, much let's make love. Yeah, but you were younger back then. That's true. I mean, I would have tried. Let's be honest. Yeah, you would have had sex on a ladder if that was the only option.

Sure. Better nails. I regret. That's one of my regrets from this show because I really, I did shame her. You did. And I regret that. You take it back. I take it back.

Okay, great. You're clear and free. I do think people need to be careful. And that's, I'm going to say. Two steps forward. I take two steps back. I just, people are scary, you know. You did a good job handling how many lyrics I, I just want to say, I know that was tough.

And I just want to applaud you. Thank you. You did a good job. I appreciate that. Yeah, I was. Well, you set my expectation and that was going to be rough. That was helpful for me. And I was helpful.

And I was helpful. And I was police. myself if you can believe that. I could feel it. Yeah. I wanted to get it way more. Um, okay. So yes, the Mark Ronson show about music is called Watch the Sound. Oh, right. And that, that's okay, great. We talked about that. We talked about that. We talked about Mark Ronson. Sampling. Yeah. Great episode. Okay. Now, remember he talked about Blackup City Stone? Black up City Stone. Was I miss hearing it? In reference to what? He, He had lunch with this girl and she was talking about...

Black Obsidian. Oh, my God. Okay. I was so... And I kept Googling it and I was like, what? He's getting you flagged. And he said it sounded cool and he wanted to use it in a lyric. But I thought he was saying Black Up City, which does sound cool.

It does sound. Yeah, Chocolate City. Yep, that's Black Obsidian. Volcanic glass. I think I actually have. some of that. Some of our most complicated tool technology, early hominids, was their mastery of this volcanic glass. They started making really sharp cutting instruments. It's beautiful. It's renowned for protective and grounding properties and spiritual practices,

often used for healing, clearing negative energy, and reducing stress. I can't say about all that, but you could carve a stag really well with that 200,000 years ago. Okay. Well, I'm glad that got cleared up. And, you know, that's one of those, like, you know, misunderstood lyrics. Like, if he wrote, if he sang a song, Black Obsidian. Wrapped up like a doucheon to the middle of the night. Exactly. It's wrapped up like a deuce. I'm going to look at most misunderstood lyrics. And I hope it's a hundred, a list of a hundred. 40. It was from, I'm going to do buzz feeds. Okay. I'll tell you my, can I tell you my three that Dean made shirts of? I know I've already told you this, but well, some are lyrics, some are words. Mine was.

as you know, I thought an acorn was an egg corn until I was 27. Yep. Yep. Aaron thought a silent but deadly fart was called a silent badelli. I know, which I. And Dean thought the Jake Isles band was called the Jake Isles band. Yeah. That one to me is the most reasonable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Silent Bedelli is my favorite. But we would always say like, did you Bedelli? It's so much better to say Bedelli. It is better. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, Waterfalls, TLC, great song. They're saying people think it's don't go Jason Waterfalls. No, that's. Who thinks that? Some people. Okay. Oh, Drift Away by Uncle Cracker.

You know that song? You do. Miss her lyric is, give me the beach boys and free my soul. Give me the beat boys? Yeah. I actually think. That at least makes sense.

Yeah. Okay. Lucille by Kenny Rogers. Okay. Do you know that song? Well, hit me with the misunderstood lyric. When I was a kid, I heard Kenny Rogers as saying, You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille,

with 400 children and a crop in the field. So the actual lyric is, You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille with four hungry children. Oh, instead of 400. Okay. Four hungry? Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

We have another Aaron and I won when you're ready. Oh, I'm ready. Okay. Jerry Reed, who played the Snowman, and smoking the bandit. Also had a great country career. Okay. He's saying,

Raised up a son that could eat up his weight and horse rash. Do do, do, do. Named him after the man of the cloth called him, Amos Moses. Could eat up his weight in horse rass. So Aaron and I are always like, what is horse rass? Is that horse ass?

And that is how Jerry Reeve pronounces groceries. Groceries? So he's really saying, could eat up his weight in groceries. But it literally sounds like, could eat up his weight in horse rass. Do do, do, do you name the man. That's the name.

Yeah. Wow. So, of course, we also call groceries horse rats. Of course. And they'll give you a Bedele occasionally. Obviously, this is a huge one, most popular. It's from Friends. Hold me closer, Tony Danza. Hold me close now, Tony Danza.

Yeah, and we know it's tiny dancer. Oh, Purple Hayes. Purple Hayes. Jimmy Hendricks. This is a different. Excuse me while I kiss the sky. People are going to say, excuse me while I kiss this fly.

No, this guy. Excuse me while I kiss lots of guys. This guy. That's the popular one. I thought it was kiss this fly, people thought. Like it was maybe as a drug reference, like blotter acid in the shape of a fly. Oh, wow. That was funny.

Okay. All right. That's cool. That was fun. I'm going to listen to some Hendricks in my clubhouse. That just hit me. And now you're excited to it? Yeah, because I'm loving listening to music in my clubhouse so much.

What's, what do you mean your clubhouse? Have I already told everyone about my clubhouse? Okay, I watched a Jeff Buckley documentary. It made me very nostalgic for my Jeff Buckley CD. And I was like, I have this great CD collection and I want to listen to CDs. So I'm going to go over to my sister's house where I believe I've left my old receiver, my really good BNW speakers and I think a CD player. Oh.

I go to her house. I realize only the B&W speakers are there. So then I go, I'm going to go up to Best Buy. I went to Best Buy. And it was the most exciting trip of my life. Wow. Because I as a kid, as you know, I saved up for sometimes a couple of years to get a receiver or another one was a TV. Most of my life was saving for audio video equipment.

Sure. So to go there and pick out what I wanted, I felt like I literally had hit the super lotto that day. I came home, I set up. I got a powered subwoofer. I already had my B&W speakers. I got a CD player, new receiver. And I set it up upstairs. In the attic?

Yes, in the attic. Oh. And I've been up there sitting in the lazy boy at night listening to music really. loud and it sounds so good. It's got me so nostalgic for high school because all I did is lay on my waterbed and listen to music. I wish I wonder where all my CDs are. All my burned CDs.

Where are they? Are they now? Great show. All right. Black Obsidian. That was a fact on a fact. Fact on a fact. Love it.

That's it. We loved Anderson Pack. We love Anderson Park. We loved Andy. We love Andy. I. We love Brandon, Pock, Anderson. That's right.

Okay. Andy. Yeah. We love him in all of his names. He can call himself anything and I'm in. Exactly. That was such a joy. I love him.

I love you. Love you.