Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Andrew Schulz

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Andrew Schulz (Life, Schulz Saves America, Flagrant) is a comedian, actor, and podcaster. Andrew joins the Armchair Expert to discuss loving showing off his cha-cha at his mom’s ballroom da...nce studio, argue the significance of Alexander the Great being either Greek or Macedonian, and why after having a daughter there isn’t any gymnastics recital he doesn’t want to attend. Andrew and Dax talk about whether his confrontational style of comedy is rooted in his yearning to be liked, the fact that you can call him a lot of things but ignorant is not one of them, and breaking down the Kendrick Lamar beef. Andrew explains why he doesn’t worry whether his nuance is received or not because he knows his heart is good, that he’s learning it’s not worth explaining what you meant when what you said hurt people, and the response he’s gotten from other men after talking about the difficulty of getting pregnant onstage.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Rather and I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. Hi, today we have a guest that I've been following
Starting point is 00:00:23 on Instagram for a couple years now. I went and saw him do stand up on a first date with McConaughey and Austin, Andrew Scholes. And he's also an actor. Okay, this is fun because you were on the fence about Andrew, about some of his comedy. And before he came, I said, yeah, come on in, we'd love to have you,
Starting point is 00:00:44 but there'll be some pushback. So this was a very unique and fun episode. It was. You guys got to really hash it out. Yeah, it was really engaging. He was great. And yeah, it was a good episode. So this one's really political.
Starting point is 00:00:59 I guess that's what I wanna say upfront. Yeah. We try to avoid politics. This one, Merle where I was like, there's no way we do this without going all in. Yes, I agree. So there's gonna just be some people if we choose to have them, which I think we should,
Starting point is 00:01:14 I think we should have everyone on. Yeah. That if you ignore that piece, I think that's problematic. Right, right. Like I think we have to ask. So for me, it was very fun because we never do it. And also in the middle of it, I was like,
Starting point is 00:01:28 yeah, this is why we never do it. Cause we're in the, you know, we're getting very granular about this policy or that and this year and whatever. But I thought it was thrilling to sit kind of on the sidelines and watch the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Andrew has a new comedy special out now called Life on Netflix. Beautiful standup really about him and his wife's journey to having a kid, which is really, really sweet. It is. And he also has two very popular podcasts. He might even have more, but Flagrant and The Brilliant Idiots.
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Starting point is 00:03:30 Indeed.com slash wonder ECA terms and conditions apply hiring indeed is all you need. Hi, Monica. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. Yes, of course. Did he warn you about my wrath? In so many ways, yeah. Yeah, he said, I don't know what she said, he said, I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend.
Starting point is 00:03:52 I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend.
Starting point is 00:04:00 I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend. Absolutely, it's been a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for having me. Yes, of course. Did he warn you about my wrath? In so many ways, yeah. Yeah, he said, I don't know what she said. You were like, can I come by?
Starting point is 00:04:11 I got a special coming out and I said, oh my God, I'd love to have you, but I also want you to know, you're gonna walk into some pushback. And you said, let's party. Yeah, which I appreciate. I think that makes it better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I do too. But don't go too soft on me. No, don't you worry. Okay. What's the hardest anyone's gone on you? Have you ever actually been in like a gotcha situation? Like gotcha interview? I don't know what there is to get.
Starting point is 00:04:33 You're not hiding anything. Your worst side is out in public probably. I guess. I can sleep at night, but also it's less maybe interviews, but more conversations where somebody will point something out and I'll just be like, oh, okay. I see why that's interpreted in that way.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Right, right, right. Yeah, so I'm open. You've never gone full. Do you see this clash? I never talk about politics, but. With Zelensky? Yes, this is worth repeating. Wait, what?
Starting point is 00:04:58 Zelensky joined JD Vance and Trump at a news conference and it is a screaming match. Even before it started, they're kind of roasting him for not wearing a suit. They're like, yeah, you can't wear a suit to the Oval Office. And then he's like, I'm in a war. And they're like, yeah, I don't have time to do this. Trump's like, you don't have good cards. He's like, I'm not playing cards.
Starting point is 00:05:19 We're in a war. It's like, yeah, this is for real. This dude is in a war. I know it's a car game. I think they thought that they were gonna announce the stop to it. I think they thought there was gonna be an agreement, and that's why they had it.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And then it became kind of combative. Just to put all my cards on the table, I'm rooting for the Ukraine like crazy. From the second it started, they invaded you, bullies, let's go, let's help. That's where I stand. Then I read something yesterday where I was like, oh, I think I see what's help. That's where I stand. Then I read something yesterday where I was like, oh, I think I see what's happening.
Starting point is 00:05:47 So Trump wants to be completely divorced of China. China has 74% of the rare earth minerals. Ukraine's got a ton of them. And Trump's like, hey, we've given you $300 billion. You pay us back in those. We're free from China. And I was like, oh, maybe this whole thing is starting to make sense. And then I said this news conference, I don't know if there's any game plan
Starting point is 00:06:06 Yeah, they were just gonna bring them there and fucking brawl be we can't ever be free of China, right? They make shit we buy shit. Everything in this room is probably yeah, and that's okay Yeah, I agree. What's the problem? I think we should all be working together. This is a better world What is it two countries with McDonald's have never gone to war? I mean you can't rush are fighting right now. They're surely they got McDonald's But the idea McDonald's was one that pulled out in the immediate, but then they just put McDonald's. Yes Exactly, they don't have coca-cola. They have Coca-Cola whatever it is You're still making the money isn't Fanta just Nazi coke is it?
Starting point is 00:06:40 Oh no it's orange. Yeah, but like I think I don't know if it's the Coca-Cola company. Oh God. You guys, you're right. Fact check. We will fact check. By the way, that's not who you want to be in a court case with. Coca-Cola. Why is it that bad?
Starting point is 00:06:50 Well, they got some deep pockets. They do have deep pockets. Your pockets were- From all that Nazi money. I think they might sponsor this show. Oh shoot, all right, I'm sorry, my bad. We love Coke. It was Pepsi.
Starting point is 00:07:01 That's right. It was Pepsi to win out there. I don't care if I found out terrible stuff about Coke. I will not stop drinking diet coke Trashy to do this. I've got a spray and I love that you were doing the nicotine Banacos on the pop and you came over because I didn't understand what it was, but we got to feel something All right, anyway, so tell me I want to know your thing. I want to know your Don't mind I would love to hear I'd like to have the standard approach we always do. Let's get to know Andrew as a boy.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Okay, here's my thing. Knowing in the back of my head that there's a thing. It's gonna make you uneasy? I don't know if it's uneasy, but I'm almost just like, let's just get through what you think. Okay. And then we'll eventually get to- I just find it's very powerful
Starting point is 00:07:38 to hear someone's real story to find out where are they coming from? I agree. I should probably trust you guys. You guys have done pretty well at this podcasting thing. I think hearing about you and your background in your life is important. All right, let's do it. Talk to me.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Well, first and most exciting is your mother is a bomb show. Thank you. And when I was on your show, we discussed, well, I asked, she is a professional ballroom dancer. Ooh, la la. Three time US ballroom dance champion. Not a big deal. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Three time. The GOAT. Who's the most winningest ever? Is there a woman with six or seven titles under her? We don't talk about those women. Under her name. We don't discuss those women at all. Those women are dead.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Not in my family. Ginger Rogers and Sandra Cameron. Those are the only female ballroom dancers we've talked about. Okay, so powerful mom. Yes. From Scotland? Born and raised in Scotland.
Starting point is 00:08:23 When did she come? 20s, young, maybe like 20, 22, something like that. Oh my God, okay. You thought 1920. Well also you paired with the old bitch's dancing and I was like, how the fuck old, your mom's 105? She's a flapper. No, they came over here when she was working
Starting point is 00:08:36 for the Australian embassy and then like found some way to get over here through there. In pursuit of dancing? Yeah. And then Andrew and his sweet father and mother had a ballroom dancing studio in Lower Manhattan. So yeah, my mom had a ballroom dance studio. My dad used to work in the news business.
Starting point is 00:08:50 He was producing stories for NBC. And he did some cool stories. Like he did the first ever story on hip hop music for NBC. So in the eighties. Yeah. And he would go up and interview all these boxers. That's why I'm a boxing fan. My dad and I would just watch all these boxing fights.
Starting point is 00:09:03 So there's like old footage of my dad shadow boxing with Muhammad Ali. Oh my God, cool. And he was in Vietnam? He was in the army during that time, but they wouldn't send him over. Too tall. Too tall.
Starting point is 00:09:14 No, because in the army, he asked to go over. He was like, this is the war of my generation. I don't really know what's going on. I kind of know what people are telling me what's going on, but I'd like to see it. Can I go over in any capacity? I don't want to go shoot people. I'll take pictures, whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And then what they said is everybody has a role in the army and that you have to stick to that role and we need you for whatever reason. This is back in the day, my dad's pretty old. So he's like 82. So he just walked into WBAL. This is Baltimore. This is where Oprah got her start.
Starting point is 00:09:42 He asked him if he could be a journalist. He charmed them. No, he had a horrible stutter. And he had to like work on it as an adult. That's charming though. People have a lot of compassion for someone with a stutter. Well, he worked on it first. Perfecting the stutter.
Starting point is 00:09:54 This is like King's speech. Perfecting it. Making it great. Making him imperceptible when he spoke. But it was a time where you could like walk in and you could just put in an application to be an on-air reporter. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:08 That's what he did. So he was on-air first. And then when he came up to New York, he was producing stories. So he wasn't on-air. He was looking at cool stuff. And was that the business that supported everything? Was he successful enough?
Starting point is 00:10:18 My mom was the breadwinner. And then my dad left the business and then started running the business with my mom. And did you ever work there? Yeah. Did you dance? I can dance a little. Okay. Yeah. My mom kind of had-
Starting point is 00:10:29 Okay. What a dancer. Yeah, yeah. So my mom, she didn't really pressure us because she kind of had a stage mom. So she was terrified of putting that pressure on us. But yeah, we learned the basics. You can be at a wedding and be the best person
Starting point is 00:10:40 at the wedding. I'll chop it up. I don't know about the best, but I'll chop it up. At a wedding, the bar is so low. The bar is low, especially for white dudes too. Yes, I can do running man and I crush. But can you do any ethnic shit? Hit me. What are the options?
Starting point is 00:10:52 I like to do the Greek thing, that's fun. Yeah, I guess they're ethnic. Yeah. They're the most off white white. They're an ethnicity, Andrew. They are an ethnicity. So it begins. Well, I don't have a problem with you saying white people. Not an ethnicity. Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that. I'll be white are an ethnicity. So it begins. Well, I don't have a problem with you saying white people are white.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Not an ethnicity. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I don't think white is an ethnicity. Well, whites not. Exactly. I agree. But Scottish is. Definitely the Greeks, they started it all. Hellenic studies.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So they say. I think Africa really started it all off. The Rift Valley started it all. Yep. But the Greeks, boy, they gave us a lot of stuff. Why do we just skip in Asia? Asia's involved big time. They gave us some stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:27 You got a real boner for Asia because you want all our shit to be built in China, and now you're coming back with their cultural contributions. I'm just saying, we talk about the beginning of civilization and we kind of skip, especially religion, we skip what's happening over there in India, don't we? Oh yeah, it's a big one. Well, the Indus Valley,
Starting point is 00:11:41 also one of the very early civilizations. You did Psych and College, I did Anthros. So I'm hip to what was happening in these different regions. Great contributions. But Western Civ starts in Greece. In Greece. Okay, fair enough. What is Greece?
Starting point is 00:11:54 What is it? Is it even a place? It's not really a place. It's a bunch of little tribes that have now become a place, historically speaking. But back in the day, they would never go, I'm Greek. It was just the dominant culture, it was the dominant language. But there's nothing that unified these places.
Starting point is 00:12:08 They're ready to go to war. They warred a lot. Like is Alexander the Great Greek, or is he Macedonian? Both. He's one. He's Macedonian. And then the Macedonians get no credit for whatever the fuck he did.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Isn't that unfair? That's like saying, is he an Angeleno or is he American? No, because they weren't a unified country. That's fair Italy's not even a unified country until 40 years ago. Back up Andrew. Yeah. No Zero to eight hundred Rome is entirely unified. In fact, they've unified all of Europe the Roman Empire zero to eight hundred Yeah, and then after that the Visigoths and the Osigoths come down from Gaul, which is Germany. But I didn't say Rome. I said Italy.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Yes, wonderful. It's changed names. Yeah. Oh wow. I didn't see this. You thought you guys were gonna beg her. I didn't see this coming. All right, moving on to the dance.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Okay, okay, okay. What kind of jobs, were you mopping? And were you talking to all these older women who were dancing? Yeah, I mean, just hanging around. When I was really young, I'd pretend to teach with my mom. She would just kind of have me in the class and I'd just kind of stand next to her while she was doing it.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Sometimes she would demonstrate with me and that was really exciting. I get to show off my cha-cha right now in front of all these adults. And probably everyone thought you were so cute. Probably. This could be the birth of your confidence. You know what's interesting, if I'm gonna reflect on that,
Starting point is 00:13:21 I was aware at a young age of being cute. I remember my mom went to like Betsey Johnson or something to like try on clothing. And I remember she would come out and I would go like, oh my God, mom, you look beautiful. And then all the people are helping were like, oh, it's so sweet. And I was like, I just gotta say that.
Starting point is 00:13:36 And then they all think I'm the nicest kid ever. I was aware of it probably too young an age. You saw the math. Of how to be liked. Yeah, I probably wanted them to like me. As a boy, I'm sure. You're not dying to hear cute, but you are dying to hear some kind of approval and recognition you exist.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Oh, absolutely. There definitely has always been that need. It's scary to look at yourself like that sometimes. Well, because it feels narcissistic? No, it feels pathetic. You're like, I just want to be liked, but that is what I do for a living. Like I go on stage.
Starting point is 00:14:02 That's the human experience. That's not unique to performers. I agree, we need each other and we need that kind of connection. But I wonder if the reason why I can be like confrontational with my opinions, it's me dealing with this idea that I do wanna be liked, but I don't want it to be just about that.
Starting point is 00:14:18 It has to be something else. There has to be some barrier of entry. It's not as simple as, let me just pander to you guys. That to me feels unearned. Maybe I'm just like spitting right now. I'm with you because I have a similar ism, which is I think I wanna be liked, but I wanna be liked for being brave and unique.
Starting point is 00:14:36 So it's not just, I want general you like me because anyone could get that. I need a very special. We're on a different level of narcissism. It's like, you can like me for how I wanna be like. Exactly! Don't you dare like me! Because I'm nice and kind. Ideally you would like me because I'm hot. That's off the table. So then I think we always think of becoming attention seekers and approval junkies because we weren't getting enough but also the opposite
Starting point is 00:15:00 could be true which is you could get it and it's enjoyable and becomes addictive. I got so much attention. My dad was the best dad in the whole fucking world. There wasn't a day where he wouldn't play baseball. I would have to tell him not to come to comedy shows. To this day, his dementia is no short-term memory really, but if I asked him to come to every single comedy show that I was doing, it wouldn't even be an inconvenience.
Starting point is 00:15:20 It would just be such a knee-jerk, like of course we'll be there. Until I had a kid, I don't think think I understood that I thought that what my dad did I don't want to take anything away from it But I never saw any of my friends parents not so shit on them But go into the games and supporting your dads in the 80s were not at any of these things It was a different time He had a shitty dad and I think that he dedicated his fatherhood experience to reversing that trend
Starting point is 00:15:42 He knocked it out the fucking park It's what I was used to and my boy Jamil was like, you do realize that your dad was the only dad at the basketball games. We played basketball for our high school. Now after having a daughter, there isn't a thing that I don't want to be. It's not like a burden to go to gymnastics.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I love being at gymnastics. It's a privilege. It is. Seeing her just have the courage, like just walk up to people and hand them something, a book and she just walk up, she goes, you'll read this to me now she's not talking but like this is what I want a little boss you love it because those are the things you can't control in your child will you be courageous will you have confidence again yeah the genetics
Starting point is 00:16:15 thing the likable thing and how you got a lot of it and you were like you knew how to do it it almost seems like that was so easy that now you wanna be liked despite, you want to be so unlikable, but people still like you. And that's the real proof of likability. And by the way, I think you've done that. Oh, wow. That's kind of cool. I know that might sound insulting, but you are extremely likable and so funny.
Starting point is 00:16:43 But I'm like, what is going on that we are going this far? And I do wonder if that's a piece of it. Are you still gonna like me even if I say this, this, and this? It's so weird. The analysis is probably right. We're looking at this in terms of the yearning to be liked, which is an uncomfortable thing
Starting point is 00:16:59 to even admit about yourself. Human. Yes. At your core, you wish that you were like, I'm an artist and I wanna create my art and I want my art to be appreciated in this one thing. You wanna take a position. Or I wanna be absurdist or I wanna be vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Edgy is such a corny word now, but like I want to be, I don't know, what is it, provocative, yeah, yeah. But if you peel back that layer, there's something else there that's probably more honest. So yes, I agree with you. But I'm curious about, okay. I'm in an interesting position, right? If this were a spectrum, I agree with you, but I'm curious about, okay. I'm in an interesting position, right?
Starting point is 00:17:26 If this were a spectrum, I'm not with you and I'm not with Monica. This is like what you guys think I am politically. Politically, racially, you know, all these things that are kind of out. The words that I'll use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the provocative nature you're saying.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm in an interesting position because this morning I'm like, I need to do both things. This is my best friend. If it gets dicey, you're going down. But hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna get dicey. But let me just finish.
Starting point is 00:17:49 This is just me mentally in my head. Very relevant. You're going down. He loves to defend. This is good. This is a really relevant. Very likable. Piece to this that I don't think is examined much. If you are in the suburbs in a predominantly white school and you're using stereotypes
Starting point is 00:18:08 and there's only five minorities there, that is a rough situation. It's scary for those five and it's dangerous. Now, if you grew up and you're not the dominant group, you're among a very diverse group of kids, you playing on stereotypes isn't scaring those kids. And so I think what could be really dangerous diverse group of kids. You playing on stereotypes isn't scaring those kids. And so I think what could be really dangerous
Starting point is 00:18:27 for people to do is to apply the context you're in or that you're from to somebody else and globally. And what I will defend about you is you grew up in the East Village, you went to these schools that it wasn't all white. Your friendship group, which I have observed, is not white at all. We got a few whites.
Starting point is 00:18:44 You got a few whities. Yeah, a couple of whites in there, you know what I mean? You need it for diversity. Yeah, we got some DI's. Yeah. But I don't think it's terribly fair for the white suburban person with no friends of color whatsoever to be telling you
Starting point is 00:18:58 how you should interact with your very multi-ethnic group of friends who are all consenting and enjoying it. I don't think that's fair. I agree with you 100% and I still have empathy for them. The white guy from Maine who works for like NPR who is truly trying to- Make the world better. Yeah, and he's trying to protect these people
Starting point is 00:19:16 that he doesn't really know. Exactly. And he might believe that they're under attack from these things that people are saying and his knee-jerk reaction is to do the right human thing which is to protect these people but his ignorance is creating an inability to understand a social dynamic that he hasn't lived and there's ignorance that goes both ways you could call me a lot of things but when you talk about other cultures and that kind of stuff I
Starting point is 00:19:38 wouldn't say ignorant is one of them what I'm always very proud of is nobody has a more diverse audience at their comedy shows than me. The thing that brought me to you is I saw a video of you in I think Taiwan. Russia? Taiwan. Oh no, Australia. The audience is super Asian. Oh yeah, the front row of all the Taiwanese guys. And you're making jokes directly to them that are very funny, very racial.
Starting point is 00:20:00 It's not behind their back. There's no sense of superiority. It's no fun if they're not there. I don't do the joke if they're not there. Everybody has this discomfort. When they're there, it's actually more comfortable for everybody. Right, if they're laughing, it gives you permission to laugh. True, but even if they weren't laughing, it doesn't feel like we're hiding some nefarious act.
Starting point is 00:20:18 It feels like there's enough trust there to have fun in this moment with these people. Which is what you do when you have close relationships with people from different cultures. You eventually build up enough trust, and you hopefully don't go for like low hanging fruit shit, where not only do they laugh at the joke, what I've seen at my shows is they feel seen.
Starting point is 00:20:37 If you can know nuance and specific things about a culture, I'm a white guy from New York. Why do I sell out arenas in the Middle East? It's because I might say specific Nuanced things about what's going on there and they're like what the fuck the takeaway from that I hope is oh shit He like took a second to talk to people and learn about some things that no outsider would really know about Most of them are coming here to party and fuck some Russian prostitute He's sitting down and finding out how we date and how we use
Starting point is 00:21:07 He's sitting down and finding out how we date and how we use airdrop pictures to hit on girls without them even knowing And if the girl accepts it, that's how we can talk but we won't avoid public humiliation So we won't walk up to a woman because culturally that might be shunt I think that's the takeaway and then I think what happens is the casual sees like a 30-second clip with the caption This guy's a bad guy. They watch it with that context, which I get. Well, and a lot of people are just watching things to police whether or not it falls into what they would do. Yeah. Well. Counterpoint.
Starting point is 00:21:32 That's kind of my defensive view is I know what it's like to be in a poor neighborhood in Detroit, living in an apartment building where all my neighbors are everything, and it's on. Cause we all trust each other, we love each other. And it's very fun for all of us. And I'm watching your special last night and I'm like, because we all trust each other, we love each other, and it's very fun for all of us. And I'm watching your special last night, and I'm like, here's the truth,
Starting point is 00:21:47 a ton of Latinas and Latinos are gonna be offended. None will. And a ton are gonna love it. This is where you gotta understand Latin culture. They don't care about those things. No, I did have a personal experience with this that I'll share, but no, I think there are some Latinos living in a predominantly white suburb
Starting point is 00:22:02 that they're gonna see that and it's gonna be scary. Like what joke? Just hearing you do their accent, they're gonna see that and it's gonna be scary. Like what joke? Just hearing you do their accent. They're gonna think, oh, I'm gonna go. Oh, come on, dude. This is not a reality. Wait, give me one second. Yeah, go, go, go, go.
Starting point is 00:22:12 They're hearing that, they're going, fuck, I'm gonna go to school and every white dude's gonna think they can come up to me and do their Latino accent. That's a portion. You know I speak Spanish, right? I believe it. I'm not against you. I'm trying to point the two options.
Starting point is 00:22:27 One is that, I can definitely see how that's gonna happen. And then I can also see that tons of Latinos and Latinos are going to love it. Now my point is, it's okay if a ton love it and a ton don't like it. It's not being forced. They're not showing it at school or before movies. Just don't watch that thing. Allow the people that like it to like it. People are allowed to not being forced. They're not showing it at school or before movies Just don't watch that thing allow the people that like it to like it people are allowed to not like things
Starting point is 00:22:48 I think the big issue with comedy right now is this idea that people aren't allowed to be offended or aren't allowed to feel uncomfortable You can react however you want to react to anything. Yeah, you're entitled to your reaction if you find it funny That's great If you don't find it funny, that's also great If you don't find it funny, that's also great. If you feel uncomfortable and offended by it, that's great. And on a person to person interaction, like if I'm saying something and I'm teasing you about being a cheerleader or whatever, and you go, hey, that was like a really
Starting point is 00:23:13 uncomfortable time in my life. I don't want you to tell me more cheerleading jokes. You know what I'll never do with you is another cheerleading joke. I will continue to tell cheerleading jokes. Globally. Globally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:23 But to you, it's being an asshole essentially I hear look I find this all extremely complicated because I Anywhere Point and now you're out Feels as if I should be comfortable My pants are riding in their bones. What the hell is going on? It's our second couch, too. We cannot get it right. No, you're doing great.
Starting point is 00:23:49 No one liked the first couch either. You're doing perfect. OK, tell me. So I did grow up in suburban America, Duluth, Georgia, Southern. And look, there's no Indian jokes in that show. You made it out all right. But I'm watching it like you watch the Golden Globes,
Starting point is 00:24:04 and you know Nikki Glaser is is gonna do a joke about you and you're watching it like, when's it gonna hit? When's it gonna hit? And you know, it doesn't come, but I do feel a lot of empathy. Okay, let's take it out of race. But the end of your special, which by the way, I thought your special was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I cried. Oh, thank you. At the baby part, yeah. I did. And I also have frozen my eggs. Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. It was beautifully done.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Thank you so much. And then at the end I was like, why? There's an entire piece at the very end about special needs and your fans will probably be mad that I even said special needs and I'm not gonna say. You don't feel comfortable saying retarded. I don't feel comfortable. That's fine, you don't have to say it.
Starting point is 00:24:39 I can say it cause it's my embryos. Sure. Sure. If I have retarded embryos. Yeah, I can call them whatever I want, they're. Sure. Sure. If I have a retarded embryo, yeah, I can call them whatever I want. They're mine. This is my argument about molesting jokes. People yell at me, I'm like, no, no.
Starting point is 00:24:50 I heard this. I went through it. Yeah. If I have one guy telling me this, I can make a fucking Boy Scout joke. Yes, but you don't have a kid that is special needs. Yeah, that's true. So my point is, if you're taking your daughter to school,
Starting point is 00:25:02 which you will, and it'll be beautiful and wonderful, there are gonna be kids there that have special needs, and their parents are gonna be there, and they will probably have seen it, because I'm sure it's gonna do amazingly well. Hopefully that'd be great if people watch it. It will, and I just wonder, will you care? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Will it bother you? Well, it depends how they feel about it. If they see it and they're like, hey, that really hurt me and made me feel really uncomfortable, then in that personal interaction, I'll feel bad that somebody was hurt about it. If they see it and they're like, hey, that really hurt me and made me feel really uncomfortable, then in that personal interaction, I'll feel bad that somebody was hurt by it, a person. Right, but you won't be like, oh fuck, maybe I shouldn't do that again.
Starting point is 00:25:32 I don't feel bad about people telling me to feel bad on behalf of people that we don't even know if they feel bad. I hear that. It's like Latinx. You're apologizing to advocates a lot. I never apologize. But no, I'm just saying, you feel like,
Starting point is 00:25:46 who am I apologizing to? I'm not gonna apologize to some white guy from Maine who's like, we have to call Mexicans Latin X. And then I asked my Mexican friends and I'm like, yo, what's up with this Latin X? They're like, is that a movie? Like they have no clue what that is. They hate it because they know it's white people projecting.
Starting point is 00:26:00 It's pandering. And advocating for them and they didn't ask. It's white people going, look how good I am. And you're using minorities to feel good about yourself. Don't use them. Why don't you have a conversation with them? Why don't you befriend them and see what they actually care about
Starting point is 00:26:14 instead of sitting in some like Ivy league institution and going, how can we get more pats on the back? I a hundred percent agree with you. Now we can get into like a political. When I'm watching that and everyone's laughing, it is so clear. Yes, people want to be able to laugh at things that are funny. They do not like being told they can't laugh at it
Starting point is 00:26:33 or that it's not funny when that's their instinct. They know it's funny. They know it is. And I get it. And that's why we're here. And that's why we have Trump. And I get it. We tried really hard to have democratic representation
Starting point is 00:26:43 on the pod around the election Mark Cuban was the only guy who came on Buddha judge said he was gonna come on then he's like I have to do debate prep Which I give him and then we tried to get waltz and then he got into his little saying he did things he didn't do Do he was like I was at the Civil War. I was at the Battle of Gettysburg We're like no you weren't and he was like no I was flying one of the planes during Pearl Harbor like he just kept on saying shit that he didn't do and then Well, yeah, I mean I think at this point they're all you gonna defend him saying that he was in Tiananmen Square No, are you gonna sit on the pod right now? I'm telling you this is where the Dems lose
Starting point is 00:27:19 No, I can't just be like, you know, that was dumb. It was You can't just be like, yo, that was dumb. It was, but everyone else is lying too. Remember when Elon gave his heart out? Yeah. It was dumb. Exactly. And if the Republicans do the same shit the Democrats did for the last four years,
Starting point is 00:27:32 where they go, oh, you're exaggerating. What the hell is wrong with you? We're right back in the same fucking place. You did some goofy shit. Of course. Say we did it, it was goofy, and we move on. Don't gaslight me. You're saying that on behalf of Republicans,
Starting point is 00:27:45 but the Republicans I know, which are many from home, they are defending everything Trump does, which is insanity. But I'm not saying on behalf of Republicans. I'm saying on behalf of me, Andrew Schultz. This is my opinion. But you're saying the Dems, and I'm just saying in general, I think the Republicans-
Starting point is 00:27:58 Well, because we were talking about Walls. Republicans and I'm saying Democrats. We tried to get a bunch of Dems on the pod, and I think that they were a little bit hesitant. I think you saw the Kamala interviews were a little bit more scripted. Definitely. And this is the burden of being the progressive party.
Starting point is 00:28:10 You have to push for progress. We don't get here without progress. Keep in mind, I'm from an arts family in New York City. Yeah, exactly, yes. I grew up Democrat, super liberal. Went to UCSB. Going to the ballet. I think what happened is the party of progress
Starting point is 00:28:23 has to keep seeking more progress, as it should. The burden of party progress is alienating the groups that you're trying to create more equity, opportunity, and equal treatment. You can't really sit down on a pod and shoot the shit like you would without the cameras rolling when in your mind you're going, fuck, if I don't acknowledge these pronouns,
Starting point is 00:28:42 then this group is gonna be upset. And if I could dissect a little bit more, the major criticism I would have, and I think the thing is really difficult, is I was a big Bernie guy, despite maybe not agreeing with him on economic policy. I agreed that he wanted to help. I like people that wanna help.
Starting point is 00:28:56 I might not agree with AOC on economic policy. That chick wants to help. Yeah, big time. And that's why her district voted for her and Trump. So these are the things that we got to key into, and people need help. You don't celebrate Luigi Mangione shooting that guy if you don't need help.
Starting point is 00:29:11 So for me, when I'm seeing that, I go, the Dems are kind of shackled to identity politics because they're afraid of making it what it really should be, which is a class war, which Bernie did and got all the support. He's like, these billionaires, they're taking all your money, you guys need to get paid more.
Starting point is 00:29:24 We need to make sure sure these jobs are secure We need to tax these motherfuckers so that money can trickle down to the rest of you and all of us saw that and we're Like who the fuck is this guy? This guy's awesome. I think there are people in the Democratic Party They were like hey those billionaires give us a lot of money. This is interesting parallel We got to get rid of this guy so I think Bernie Sanders got a problem and they're called the Bernie Bros. And the Bernie Bros are sexist and they're bigoted and they're racist.
Starting point is 00:29:52 To me, they play the exact same handbook with the Manosphere pods. Oh, these guys are sexist and they're bigoted and they're racist and it's just like, no, you're too scared to call out the real thing that Americans need help with, which is billion dollar corporations And these fucking turner human beings that seemingly do not care about the working-class people once they get back into
Starting point is 00:30:12 Working class how do we put money in their pockets? How do we make eggs cheap and stop worrying about the identity politics? I think Democrats See you later if I can't afford eggs. I can't care about the bathrooms. I need eggs. My daughter eats so many, the amount of eggs this girl eats. Eggs and blueberries is all they eat. If the Democrats said right now, we're gonna make blueberries free and eggs free,
Starting point is 00:30:36 I don't even say the word Republican again in my life. If Democrats said eggs are gonna be free and blueberries are gonna be free, the Republicans aren't still going to push the identity politics side. I mean, it's still gonna be free and blueberries are gonna be free, the Republicans aren't still going to push the identity politics side. I mean, it's still gonna be there. The Democratic Party is not gonna say, we actively don't care.
Starting point is 00:30:53 We've already had this debate. I wanna know if you and I agree. I think a lot of the left is viewing this under the lens that he won. And I think that's the wrong lens. The correct lens is we lost. We did not offer something appealing enough to vote for. Our side did not offer a platform that the majority of Americans wanted to vote for. Forget about him.
Starting point is 00:31:14 People try to give the pods credit for Trump's win. And I'd literally say we did nothing. Maybe what we did is made people feel more comfortable saying what they were going to vote for out loud. But they were almost- A hundred percent. Remember when Biden won? It wasn't because people were voting for Biden.
Starting point is 00:31:31 It was a rejection of Trump and the temperature. It was just exhausting. Everything was a fight every single day. They're like, yo, we just need to return to normalcy. Exactly, they rejected him and then they rejected us. So now this election, in my opinion, yes, he's incredibly popular and there are people that love him without a doubt. I'm not undermining that support.
Starting point is 00:31:49 But I think that's like 30%. It is a small. This was a rejection of the institution in power and the Democrats were in power. And it was a rejection of what people thought were the most important things to that party. Now, there could have been way more important things, but if they're not communicated in a way
Starting point is 00:32:05 where we can digest it. That's what I want to hear. I'm really asking, what is a good way to send that message? What message do you want to send? Let's start there. There's a huge dissonance between what the official party is
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Starting point is 00:34:14 Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. I hate to get back into the water again, but it's like, I have only liberal friends. I'm surrounded by hundreds of them. Really?
Starting point is 00:34:40 I've talked to, no, I have Republican friends, but I live in Los Angeles and I'm in show business. But I am talking with liberals nonstop. And when the topic of should trans women compete in the Olympics, none of them think that, but that is the official message of the party. But is it? It kind of is.
Starting point is 00:34:57 No, this is where I have to push back. I actually don't think it is, but I think that is what gets brought up all the time when there is debate. Right, so we see the right is so fueled by it. Why can't we stand up and go, we don't think that's a good idea either. No one's allowed to do that. So this is a good discussion. I agree with you where I don't think that's the official platform of the party, but to what we were saying earlier, the fear of ostracizing a group,
Starting point is 00:35:21 they will not remove themselves from it. And I think that what the Republicans have done really well is painted them with the most extreme beliefs of the party. And I think Democrats have done that well to Republicans too. I think this is a political process, unfortunately. The only problem is it seems like Americans are more comfortable with the most extreme version of Republicans right now than they are with the most extreme version of Democrats. I know, which I think is so interesting because the person running was the most extreme version of the Republican Party.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Trump is. Trump is, yeah. And Biden, they're not extremely far left. No, they're quite centrist, but they just won't go out there and be like, there's not 67 genders. They won't go out there and say that trans women shouldn't compete. And also that trans discussion is even more nuanced.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Like there's a thing that people don't say, which is should they compete against women women or whatever you want to call women now? Cis women. Cis women. Yeah. No. But we can also say it sucks for them.
Starting point is 00:36:20 That is so unfortunate that you're in that situation. Let's make a category. I actually am supportive of their right to compete and I acknowledge that they're a woman. I want that right for them, but not at the expense of 20 other people. I agree. And I feel like a lot of times in the discourse,
Starting point is 00:36:35 there's not even room on Twitter for the little bit of empathy in the middle. So it seems so rigid and harsh. And we're getting things in 180 characters or whatever the character limit is. There's room to be like man it Sucks is that person because I do believe that there are trends with things So I think that there are some young kids that are probably identifying as trans that might not actually be sure not only trans
Starting point is 00:36:55 I think that happens with a lot of her. Oh, yeah, you're trying on some stuff and then there are people who are Trans exactly if my guess is that competing in the Olympics is not even the top 100 of the things that those people care about. I agree. They do not. Well, we're talking about three or four athletes on the planet that are gonna want to do this.
Starting point is 00:37:17 And now they're the talking point of every show and they're just out here going, I'm just trying to be a barista at this thing and everybody who comes up wants to ask me if I should be a swimmer. And you're like, I don't give a fuck about swimming. That's the problem is I think the Republicans have used that as a Trojan horse. Effectively. My issue is we're not fighting back.
Starting point is 00:37:34 No, you're not. You're just going. We gave it to them on a silver platter. I don't want to piss them off. And no one on the left will stand up and pray. You're playing prevent defense. And what you need is Americans inherently identify as brave. And we like to take risk Anything that looks risky is exciting for us I actually think there's some biological component to that every one of our family members that came here. We're the crazies
Starting point is 00:37:53 Yes, the people that left our entire family. Our rate of polar is 10x of Japan. I love that I want to be happy happy and then I'll deal with the sad sad So knowing that I think we want to see some bravery in the Democratic party. I want to see some congressman that goes, hey, housing is a problem. I don't give a fuck about these developers. We're taking that land right there.
Starting point is 00:38:14 We're building 10,000 affordable housing units. That's happening this year. These developers are going to try to say, oh, we've had that and we actually have a plan for this in the future. We're like, nah, sorry, it is what it is. In the same way that Trump goes, we're taking Greenland, but make it about helping and class. Make it about money. Stop making about these other issues the majority of Americans don't really care
Starting point is 00:38:36 about right now. Yeah, and a lot of them don't have the luxury of caring. It is a privilege to care about other people's shit. 100% agree. And to have a party that actively shames those people for not caring is not the way forward. But it is also the party that's trying to help those people. Maybe that just needs to be more explicit that we are the party that is going to lower the price of eggs or slash the reason that they're expensive is because of bird- I mean, the price of eggs currently is $20 and you can't even find them. It obviously has nothing to do with politics that the eggs are expensive. Maybe they just need to fucking say that subsidize them.
Starting point is 00:39:15 We do it with everything else we do with corn. We do it with cheese. All these big companies. Yeah. Walmart. I'm paying half their fucking staff. So somebody paid for my eggs. I'm just saying present the idea. Give me some hope. We like abundance. Democrats, you got to sell me on abundance. That's what Americans want. I want an abundance of eggs.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Every American family should get 48 eggs a week. But then what about with the stimulus checks? That's abundance. And then everyone was mad about that? Nobody was mad about that. Who? You thought it was a bad idea? Yeah, rich people. No, I didn't. Rich people are mad. Poor people Nah, nobody was mad about that. Who? You thought it was a bad idea?
Starting point is 00:39:45 No, I didn't. Rich people are mad. Poor people are like, Trump is the man. I want to be on record. Biden did stimulus checks. No, it was the Trump Stimmy. Oh, God. Listen.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Was it not the Trump Stimmy? No, he kept those checks going and going. Trump put his name on the check. So when the check first hit the lower income neighborhoods, they were like, oh, Trump gave me $1,200. Yes, come on. That motherfucker is awesome. He took office. So he had stimulus. Both, come on. That mother fuckers awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:05 He took office. So he had stimulus. Both parties did it. Biden kept it going for a long time. And then people were like, why is he still doing this? And he's using all the money. Rich people were worried about inflation
Starting point is 00:40:14 because inflation affects rich people. I'm not saying more, but it affects the amount of buying power they have. So when they have 20 million in the bank and they're seeing inflation go up 25%, they're like, wait, I got 15 million? I lost $5 million. They're upset. Poor people, they just see another 1200 hit and they go, inflation go up 25%. They're like, wait, I got 15 million? I lost $5 million. They're upset.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Poor people, they just see another 1200 hit and they go, I'm rich. When the Republicans said with the Doge thing, which I think is being handled poorly, but they're like, with the savings from Doge, we think that we'll give $5,000 back to every American. They're not gonna do that. But the second that hit the headline,
Starting point is 00:40:41 people were like, Doge is incredible. That's sad to me. They're not going to get it. We're in the weeds on every single policy now. I'm probably communicating this poorly. I'm acting as if I'm trying to justify policy. I'm not talking about policy. I'm talking about emotional reaction to stimulus.
Starting point is 00:40:58 It's really important to understand how Americans emotionally react to the things that you're telling us. I think Democrats right now, it's like we know better We'll take care of you. The elitism is an issue on the left. Get him out. I need working-class AOC I need that. There was this guy fucking trolling me. He's some Kennedy nepo baby. Jack Schlossberg He's like JFK's grandson or something. He's like talking all his shit He got upset at me because I said I didn't know a guy who identifies as a Democrat that's over five nine, which was very hurtful.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Because I think their insecurities, the perception is a lack of masculinity. And I think that kind of hurt. I'm just busting balls with Charlemagne on the pod. Charlemagne's five seven and he's a Democrat. Like I'm teasing my friend. Yeah. Is he five seven?
Starting point is 00:41:38 On a good day. With lips. With lips? Yeah, yeah. But the point is the face of the party should not be like a fourth generation, trust fund nepo baby who's never had a real job telling working class Americans.
Starting point is 00:41:51 And no friends that weren't white and also rich. This can't be the Democrat party. That is the face of the Republican party and it worked. It's a great point. Here's the difference. And this is what people do not like to acknowledge. Trump doesn't sound rich when he talks he sounds poor Yeah, I guess you're really like he's from the neighborhood
Starting point is 00:42:12 They asked him today and what happens if Russia does not do the ceasefire She goes what if what if that happens? He goes what if what what if someone drops a bomb and it blows up on your head? That's how Frank from the neighborhood would answer a question. So he communicates in a way that is super relatable to those people despite his life, not being at all relatable. I often play out the scenario when I go on other podcasts
Starting point is 00:42:38 and I know they're very right leaning and I think they all think I'm super duper liberal. I never thought that was your perspective. Well, it's not. It's not, I'm a centrist, I'm a duper liberal. I never thought that was your perspective. Well, it's not. It's not, I'm a centrist, I'm a pragmatist. Both sides have good ideas, both sides have terrible ideas. Oh. Pfft.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Ah. Ah. For the listener, I got a big covert wing. Ah. Ah. Ah. I have imaginary debates on these podcasts that never happen.
Starting point is 00:43:02 There are many policies on the right I agree with. I don't have a boner for a guy who fucking grew up and got handed a billion dollars. If I told you, you're gonna love my friend Mike, dude. His fucking dad gave him a billion dollars and he doesn't pay the contractors that do his shit. If I described that guy to you, you'd be like, this guy's a fucking asshole.
Starting point is 00:43:20 So I don't have a boner for that guy. I don't understand the boner for that guy. I don't understand the boner for the guy I think the assumption is the boner for him is That he's this real estate guru. No, I don't think that's the boner The boner is I'm so fucking sick of being told how I have to act and behave all the time And this guy is telling me no I can say what I fucking want to say and I'm not going to disappear and get erased over it. Make me feel seen.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Everybody wants to feel seen. They want to feel heard. Yeah. So I get it. I also acknowledge talk about the elitism. It's like we made a very specific choice at a very specific time under Clinton where we said we're going to have a brain economy. That was a good theory.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Let's not rely on manufacturing. Let's get everyone smart. Let's be in finance. Let's be in technology We pivoted we made a lot of policy decisions and after being one of them Clinton was the first doge They fired 300,000 government workers, but the result of which was guess what? 20% of the population didn't go into the brain economy all these young men They didn't get a place in this new economy and we need to fucking they didn't get a place in this new economy. And we need to fucking acknowledge that.
Starting point is 00:44:26 And that is part of this, they wouldn't even articulate what the elitism is, but it's that. That's great. You guys are all went to college and you're all making all this money in finance and tech and all this shit. There's no fucking jobs for me.
Starting point is 00:44:36 There's no assembly line for me anymore. This party who made this decision completely abandoned 20% of the country, which is these young men. And that's a dangerous fucking group to have disenfranchised Yeah, I agree. So that's a big big problem. How do we look out for them? Well, that's what I'm saying. The left has to be about the left unions manufacturing the stuff That's always been part of the left. But I do think Hillary was like we got to retrain. This is an issue
Starting point is 00:44:59 There's so many people that don't have jobs, but those jobs aren't coming back There's nobody less risk-averse have jobs, but those jobs aren't coming back. There is nobody less risk averse than Hillary. She might have been an incredible, I don't know because she didn't become president, but I'm telling you, just the emotional perception of her, it doesn't feel like there would be the change that people need. She felt like status quo.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Exactly, and I think that that's what people are rejecting. I love her. I do too. You love her. I think she is the most competent person that probably could ever have had that job. She was an incredible secretary of state. She's been in every angle of this system, and she's incredibly smart,
Starting point is 00:45:28 and she has handled one of the most hard-to-handle human beings imaginable. Bill? Yes. As a husband. I think you're infantilizing Bill a bit. Say more. She's handled him? You mean the fucking president?
Starting point is 00:45:40 The guy who was able to do it? One of the greatest communicators in history? The guy who was uber- it. One of the greatest communicators in history. The guy who was uber charismatic. Unbelievable. Very powerful. And she could work with that system. Yeah. And still exist and be equal. And that's a skillset.
Starting point is 00:45:55 That is a skillset. It's not that easy to do. I don't know. I get, I don't know. I think a lot of women would have gotten run over by a guy like Bill. And that did not happen to her. She's an incredibly strong, determined, smart.
Starting point is 00:46:06 I'm not saying that she's not intelligent or determined. Obviously she's very ambitious, 100%. You're just saying she turned people off. Yeah, and I think it's important, if we don't acknowledge that. No, she did, obviously. Even like me coming in here, there are things that I probably said
Starting point is 00:46:19 that had turned you off or other people off. I can't be like, "'Cause you guys are wrong." I'm doing something that makes you feel that way. I mean, it's easy for me to chalk it up to, oh, a headline is positioned in this way. But at the same time, I either have to accept that I will have what I say kind of manipulated to fit a narrative and people will think
Starting point is 00:46:38 a certain way about me. And that's what I take and I get in bed with so that I can do comedy the way that I want to do it. Not to make it about me. No, no, you're a guest. I'm just giving an example of, I get in bed with so that I can do comedy the way that I wanna do it. Not to make it about me. No, no, no, no, we just. No, you're our guest. I'm just giving an example of I have to live with that. For me, I think the best version of America
Starting point is 00:46:52 is when we have two really awesome, competent people running. It's a really difficult choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I'm really excited for. But in order for us to do it, both sides have to listen to what the American people actually want.
Starting point is 00:47:02 And we need a process that lets those people flourish. Okay, can we- Sorry, I have one more question. Go, go, go, go, go. Last political thing. It's not political. Are we in a rush? I don't know how long you guys got.
Starting point is 00:47:12 No, no, no, no, no, no. There's other things I wanna get to other than your political leanings. But this is more fun. It is fun, right? Cause we're passionate about it. I think it's important for you to hear a perspective like mine because it forms your opinions more.
Starting point is 00:47:22 You're like, oh wow, they don't see it like that. I love having conversations with people that I might disagree on something. Yeah. Because my opinions get sharper. I'm like, oh, I'm hitting this too bluntly and I'm ostracizing all these people. I would do that with the trans athlete thing.
Starting point is 00:47:36 I didn't have space for how much it must suck to be a trans person and not having anywhere to go. And just acknowledging that makes my opinion way more digestible. I use my wife, I don't even know that I use her that way, but I hit her with things and she goes, you have a really great point, but you need to soften it in this way.
Starting point is 00:47:54 What you're saying is scary. You have to acknowledge you care about these people first. I mean, it circles back to exactly what you were just saying about how the Democrats need to position themselves. It's packaging and you have to say, you care about this and this. All the same thing. It's how to communicate effectively. But also, do you worry because you seem like you want peace essentially. This is like Chappelle's thing where he heard the laugh when they were
Starting point is 00:48:18 doing the sketch and he was like, oh, they don't get it. That laugh is filled with hatred. I got to pivot. And I wonder when you look at the crowd and they're laughing at a joke that is nuanced You're smart and you've thought it through. I'm smart. But yeah, clearly you are and it's nuanced. You're also handsome Oh, dude, you better stop it. Do you ever worry? I'm contributing to the silo because a lot of people do not understand it I don't worry about it a single bit. Because I think that people have the responsibility for their own actions. So there are gonna be people that laugh at a joke
Starting point is 00:48:50 because they appreciate the nuance in it. There are gonna be people that laugh at a joke because- Because they're fucking racist. Yeah, they might be racist. Yeah, there are. You can't be a different person because of that. I defend Stern that way for years. It's like a lot of people aren't in on his thing.
Starting point is 00:49:02 But Stern changed. But that's on them. He can't be a different person to cater to the dumbest person and worry about. He has to be who he is. Because now you're not creating for you. He's smart and he's nuanced. I want to create for me. But he did evolve, I think, because of that. But you're also allowed to evolve. That's the beautiful thing too, is I try to take time off in between every special or tour. Specifically so I can reflect on the change in my life. I don't have this special. I mean, if anybody's listening still right now, they probably think the special
Starting point is 00:49:28 is making fun of Latinos. And it's special with my sperm not working and it'd be really difficult for my wife and I to get pregnant and this story of this journey that led us to IVF. My point is, you need to be able to reflect on what's going on in your life, at least for me creatively.
Starting point is 00:49:43 But what I try to do is when I'm in creative mode, I don't listen to any criticism, I don't listen to any other comedians. I wanna create authentically as I can because that's the most pure version of who I am right now. And then how the world interprets that is really up to what they care about. It's almost none of your business.
Starting point is 00:50:02 It kind of is. Selfishly, I want things to be successful. Of course, I'm ambitious and competitive. At the same time, if there's a cultural necessity for the thing that I'm talking about, it will be really successful. If there isn't, it will be less successful. But it's the thing that matters to me right now. And if I start worrying about what all these different people are thinking, I won't do
Starting point is 00:50:21 it authentically pure. And I know my heart is good. I know I don't have hatred for people. And if I did, it wouldn't be funny. It would be angry. And I've written jokes that were angry and they don't work. It makes people feel uncomfortable. Especially if you've been on the opposite end of any of these jokes ever.
Starting point is 00:50:38 You can tell the difference between when there's hatred underneath it and when there's not. When I watched, I was texting my friend about this and I was like, there's no hatred there. I can really, really feel that. There are other really popular standups that people love that I'm like, ah, ah.
Starting point is 00:50:55 I think that innately we can sense it, because I've even sensed it. You know, there's times there's comedians that do jokes about white people that are so funny. My introduction to comedy is Eddie Murphy, deaf comedy jam, Kings of Comedy. So many white jokes. They're funny.
Starting point is 00:51:09 We gotta be able to laugh at ourselves. We're so fucking dorky. Dude, the Phil Jackson walk that he's doing, he's doing this, Scotty! Phil Jackson, the coach of the Chicago U-Know, that's pure sexism right there. No, it's fine, it's fine. That was pure sexism, you should know that.
Starting point is 00:51:22 We love the laugh stance. You don't know many other coaches. That's fair enough, okay. To me, I just never felt any like, it's fine. That was pure sexism, you should know that. We love the last dance. You don't know many other coaches. That's fair enough, okay. To me, I just never felt any like, mouse or hatred. And then I have seen certain people that they make white jokes, for example, and I'm like, oh wow, you really just don't like white people. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:36 And what is interesting about it is it's not as funny. When they lock onto a truth that we all feel, but when you have hatred, I don't have that hatred, so I can't really connect to that. And maybe there's some love in it. Ideally, I'm pointing out really specific things. I've observed you, I've seen you, I've paid attention, I'm interested in you, and I know this about you.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah, like, I love you. To me, there's something very complimentary. This is my gift. I'm going to the show, you don't expect me to talk about you and the things in your local community. You're Armenian run when you're here in LA. Shout out to Armos. You would think you lived in LA. You would have to live in LA to know all of those tiny things.
Starting point is 00:52:11 And the Armenians in the audience fucking loved it. Some online were upset, and it was interesting to see some online were defending it. They were like, he was just doing this to all of us. Everybody got it. It's all good. And that's okay. The people upset can be upset about it.
Starting point is 00:52:24 That's a good segue for me. So I understand fully how you're at peace. In fact, to go behind the curtain, when I did your show, I just like you a ton. Respect. Feeling is mutual. And I've gotten some flack for liking you, right? Yep, sure.
Starting point is 00:52:36 You have some war with Kimmel, which is unfortunate. I'm like, why are you guys? No, I love Kimmel. We love Kimmel. I love Jimmy. We have a statue of him. We have a statue of him. But you guys had some battle.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Let's not get bogged down in that one. Jimmy, I love you. Cause Jimmy's close to Charlamagne too. And he's close to Matt. He was doing this back and forth with Aaron Rodgers. And I felt like he started with jokes. And then Aaron had a joke. And then I think Jimmy got some real life circumstances
Starting point is 00:52:58 that affected him. I think he got some death threats and that kind of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's under attack. Well, there's signs up around LA, these wackos. There's a lot of crazy people out there. Then he made it not about jokes. I was like, yo, you opened the door with jokes,
Starting point is 00:53:09 he responded with jokes, and then you were like, what you're doing is dangerous. And Jimmy's always someone who I've looked at and admired. He has iconic TV shows, comedy history. Edgy shit, that to me, I felt little let down. You clown this guy on national TV, on one of the biggest shows, he clipped you back. To me, I'm like, that doesn't seem fair.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Like a Drake Kendrick thing, which we also. Hold on, this is what I'm leaning to. So yeah, you got the Kimmel thing. I'm like, ah, it's a bummer. I'm still gonna be out loud liking you. Hopefully he doesn't think it's a betrayal. Don't feel that way, Jimmy, about anybody. I hope you know that.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Jimmy is our favorite person. Everybody I've ever met says that it's a betrayal. Don't feel that way, Jimmy, about anybody. I hope you know that. Jimmy is our favorite person. Everybody I've ever met says that he's the best. Obviously we haven't connected with one another, but please don't be upset. Maybe this will be the elephant. Okay, so this is behind the scenes. So I do your show, it's great. We hang out afterwards.
Starting point is 00:53:57 It was so fun. You guys were so, so nice to me. You're a great storyteller. The pre-battle of me getting called a snowflake, none of that happened. So then we walk off of your show and we're just hanging for a minute. And then I go, I mean, you really lost Kristen.
Starting point is 00:54:10 I had Kristen on board. She was on the Andrew Scholes fucking train. And then this joke about abortion, you lost her. Yeah, it wasn't a good joke. It really wasn't a good joke. I was like, you can't lose Kristen. It was like a mathematical equation. It just didn't feel good when they heard it.
Starting point is 00:54:26 It didn't have the silliness of a joke. And it smelled like slut shaming a little bit. Ooh, interesting. I could see that. I didn't mean it. I don't think you did. That's something I'm learning. It's not worth explaining what you meant
Starting point is 00:54:37 because what you said hurt people. I'm learning that with my wife. I can acknowledge that what I said hurt your feelings. If you later want to understand where I'm coming from, I'll give you that. But you don't want me to explain away your feelings right now. You just want me to acknowledge
Starting point is 00:54:52 that something I said made you feel bad. I did it to my daughter this morning. I've been feeling terrible ever since. What happened? Well, I woke her up. If she ends up being late and rushed, it's a full meltdown. We can't get her to school at that point.
Starting point is 00:55:03 It's just so much. So I gotta get her up on time. I go to get her up on time. She's turning into a teenager. She turns 12 this month. And so I'm like, let's go, baby. And she's like, no, she slammed the door and I opened it back up. I go, you gotta get up.
Starting point is 00:55:14 She slammed it again. I opened up, I'm leaving this door open. The light's gonna get you, you know. And then she later sent me an email from school saying, I'm so sorry I was so mean. And I'm like, oh my God, don't worry. I love you, baby. I'm sorry I was so abrupt and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I hope you know, I'm just trying to prevent you from having a really rough morning. Sent it and all day I'm like, just say sorry. Yeah, you don't need to explain. I didn't need to say, I'm trying to prevent that. But we wanna be heroes. We wanna be a good guy. I just don't want her to ever think I have a bad intention.
Starting point is 00:55:43 That dude, this is... Your life? Yeah, it's like, I do something that might prick you. My intention is not to prick you. I'm concerned that you're gonna think I'm the type of person that wants to hurt you. Yes. Or prick you, like with your daughter. And you're just like, I just need you to know
Starting point is 00:56:00 that I just love you and I want to protect you and I want to care for you. And now we're explaining. Instead of just acknowledging the feelings because you know what? They know we love them I wanna protect you and I wanna care for you. And now we're explaining, instead of just acknowledging feelings because you know what, they know we love them. Thank you, that's the lesson for me. We gotta have more confidence. And we have this insecurity,
Starting point is 00:56:12 like every moment could change the way someone feels about us. Yes. You mean in personal relationships. Yeah, yeah. When I mean hurt, I don't mean saying something really mean. I mean, it could be looking at my phone
Starting point is 00:56:22 when my wife's saying something really important. You're checking scores. Exactly, I'm like checking out. And instead of being, well, what I was actually doing is work so I could provide for our family or some stupid shit. She don't wanna know about that. Pay attention when she's talking or say, hey, I gotta finish this thing, but I really wanna hear.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Okay, so anyways, I've understood all your scrapes and I've understood where you're coming from and I understand you've accepted yes, some people are gonna be upset. And I get all that. Should we say the thing that rubbed Chris in the wrong way? Yeah, now I want it. No.
Starting point is 00:56:50 It's not that bad, that's the reason why. I think it's gonna go backwards. No, no. Okay, go ahead. Well, people are gonna look for it anyway. Yeah, it'll be funny, but it's not funny. But it's funny. The idea was like, how many abortions is too many?
Starting point is 00:57:01 In the world. No, like for a person. For one person. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Like how many on the punch card? If it goes to like 20, I think that there has to be an intervention where it's like, all right, we gotta do something here.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Now, the idea is like the beginning of a joke. Making it silly is a joke. I don't think you anticipated what Kristen heard. What was that? Where's the guy in this scenario? So you're pissed about the girl who's at 20. Well, guess what? 20 motherfuckers knocked her up
Starting point is 00:57:29 and they're not paying any price for it. And they're not getting shamed. And we don't have to punch their card or do anything for them. Dudes are getting off scot-free. I would argue in that scenario, it's not equivalent because it's 20 different dudes. But if it was the same dude.
Starting point is 00:57:42 Presumably, see, that's where I think you could have landed this whole thing. Yes, yes. If one guy gets 20 girls pregnant, but if it was the same dude. Presumably, see that's where I think you could have landed this whole thing. Yes, yes. If one guy gets 20 girls pregnant, neuter that motherfucker. Like we gotta do something. Right. But this is the artistry of a joke and I gave you like the lump of clay. And it's like, there might be something in there. They remove all the pieces to make it David. It still is a piece of marble.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. There's the perfect example of when there's a negative reaction, it's not like, these people are fucking idiots. I even commented in it. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. There's the perfect example of when there's a negative reaction It's not like these people are fucking idiots. I even commented in it Oh, it turns out that they're not getting these late-term abort like I even have this caveat that I put in it later after I found The information but it doesn't matter people look at that But that's the example of I don't ever go snowflake the joke wasn't nuanced and sliced thin enough that even the most pro-choice person in the entire world who's like, yes, 20 abortions, a girl should have 40 abortions, would still laugh at.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Comedy's math and it's just figuring out the equation. But it's funny because you're like, you can't offend Kristin, that's the one thing. I mean, everyone has that. Everyone has their one thing that's like, well, now you lost me. She's actually a pretty good barometer for me. Why I say her in particular,
Starting point is 00:58:47 I find her to be someone who is incredibly progressive and left and has not let it affect her sense of humor. She's my favorite person on earth, but I have to say it. She's the most beautiful white privileged person. She's all those things too. So she has the luxury to be able to laugh at fucking anything without being like, oh yeah, I remember when that was me.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Isn't it great? Not for me. A white woman's Instagram. She's also really great at laughing at when she's getting burned. Like she gets burned a lot and she does very well with it. That's confidence. She doesn't like it when she personally gets burned.
Starting point is 00:59:26 And that's the difference. And it's fair, no one likes getting personally burned. But when you are in a group that's small, they feel more personal than the overall, I just gotta say it. She loves getting blessed by Bateman. She loves getting blessed by Ryan. She did not like getting blessed by me.
Starting point is 00:59:40 That's definitely true. Fair enough. But all this to say, I have seen the decisions you've made and they've all pretty much made sense to me and I've not been scared for you. The first time I got scared for you, truly I like, did I call him? Was Kendrick Lamar.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So just tell people what happened. So he put out an album and he had a line in it and he was like, don't ever let no white comedian talk about no black woman, that's law. First of all, how do you know that's about you? I got confirmation, put it that way. I didn't respond for weeks.
Starting point is 01:00:11 I had to shoot my special, I didn't really care. That wasn't even the thing that bothered me about the line. The next line is, and to the M words that coon, and the N words that being groomed, slide on both of them. Do you guys know what that term slide means? So slide is like assault or kill. I'm thinking, and the world is thinking, groomed, slide on both of them. Do you guys know what that term slide means? No. So slide is like assault or kill. I'm thinking, and the world is thinking,
Starting point is 01:00:29 he's talking about Charlamagne and Alex Media, the two black dudes that are on the show with me. Oh. So once you tell people to kill my friends, you get whatever I give you. Everybody's like, oh, he's such a victim and all this. He just said whatever. Yeah, he said a stupid thing to me.
Starting point is 01:00:45 You're not gonna tell me who I can or can't make fun of, but you don't tell your fans to kill two of my friends or slide or assault or whatever it is. Even if it's not serious, you're putting that energy out there. So don't be surprised if you get some energy back. Some heat. That's my feeling.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Okay, so I watch your response. What's really funny is I have actually a friend reach out that go like oh my god Have you seen this so it comes to me in his version of telephone where he explains what you did. I'm like, oh boy What's his version? This is so funny how this works. I think he just read the reviews of what you did They made it racism. Yes. Yes. This term buck break. Yes buck breaking and I'm like he said buck breaking So I now got to go find this thing. So I go to your Instagram and I find it and I go okay. He does not say buck breaking. It's pretty silly I said I'll make sweet love to him right if they were in prison together
Starting point is 01:01:32 He would make sweet love the point I'm trying to make is like why you talking shit Don't tell your fans to kill my friends like I think that's a pretty fair response sure sure hey You say to your fans and kill my friends. I say I'll make sweet love to you I saw it is is about as playful as a fuck you. I'll kick your asses could be done That's all it's trying to be yeah, but now I'm really worried about you So I'm like, well, he thinks that he's a rational person Kendrick is a national treasure huge He's a Pulitzer Prize huge incredibly talented or talented or loved'm going, bro, is this the fight you're gonna pick? We gotta pick our battles.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Is this the one? You were fine. More of that, don't talk about my friends, bro. My friends are more important to me than strangers. So it is what it is. Do you worry at all? Yeah, there's definitely concern because he's got some affiliation to some like real dudes.
Starting point is 01:02:21 Of course. Minimally some real dudes love him. Yeah. Even if he's not affiliated they could think they were doing a favor to someone they love. And that's how it works. He doesn't want you to get hurt. Exactly. He doesn't say to the person go do something. The way it works is the young dudes on the street do something hoping that'll curry favor with the OGs. And then I heard whispers from a lot of different people and that kind of stuff which sucks you know I
Starting point is 01:02:44 don't ever want that. Right. Any people who actually listened to it, my black friends who were getting death threats after the song came out, before I ever said anything, they were like, oh yeah, this is fun. We're gonna have some fun. Okay, so that was one hot one.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Now I wanna bring up a love connection. Ooh, go. I've been trying to get Monica to love you for a while now. Couple years, would you say? That's not even true. We're gonna win over. Don't you feel like I'm always kinda like trying to pitch Andrew?
Starting point is 01:03:05 The first time I heard of you, Dax sent me a thing and I was like, oh my God, this is so great. And then I was like, oh, I'm gonna keep looking. And you were like, well, be careful what you. Be careful, I might need to curate. I might need to curate for you. If you just look at my standup, usually you're good.
Starting point is 01:03:23 The second you start looking at podcasts. So I did that this morning, I was like, oh my God. Because the podcasts are clay, and the stand up is the statue. And that's something that we gotta grapple with just as comedians. We're talking for two hours, we're gonna say some fucked up shit.
Starting point is 01:03:39 But let's get to the love affair. So one of my favorite things, I saw your rant on Taylor Swift, and I couldn't send it to Monica fast enough. I love her. As I was watching it, I think I I couldn't send it to Monica fast enough. I love her. As I was watching it, I think I interrupted it to send it to her. Oh, she's the Michael Jackson of our time.
Starting point is 01:03:49 You were screaming. No features. No features! I think you were arguing whether Beyonce. People were upset about that. I'm sure. Yeah, you're right, followers were probably. No, no, Beyonce fans. But I went to the show.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I love Beyonce. I love her. She's incredible. She's from another universe. Yeah, they both are. But like I went to this Taylor show. I love Beyonce. I love her. She's incredible. She's from another universe. Yeah, they both are, but like I went to this Taylor show with my wife at SoFi and I went in there going, what am I doing? It's a cool cultural moment.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Avi said I got to check it. And I left there going, this is the highest version of live performance. The best visual guy is working. The best light guy is working. The best choreographer. It felt like I was watching the best of the best in each of their fields. And she's holding the attention of a hundred thousand people. For hours.
Starting point is 01:04:33 For three hours. In an impossibly long time. I'm a celebrator. When I experience some shit, I can't not talk about it if it's fire. If I go to some hotel that's amazing, I'm telling everybody. I don't believe in gatekeeping. I didn't get to go to these fancy ass hotels as a kid. So if I'm going to like AmanGiri,
Starting point is 01:04:49 I'm not sharing that with you on some like, look at my experience. I'm going, yo. Figure out how to get here. Get some money and go here. This is incredible. These rich people are onto something. And we need to infiltrate.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. So when I saw that Taylor thing, and then it's always fun to just rile up on Brilliant Idiots. There's that part of me that's like a little antagonistic. I know Taylor who's on the show. She's not the biggest Taylor Swift fan. The girl Taylor is on Brilliant Idiots. So I knew just saying how amazing. It would rile her up.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Yeah. Oh, it was so funny, and we were dying laughing at that. So Taylor Swift, she's not the biggest Taylor Swift fan, the girl Taylor is not really an idiot. So I knew just saying how they- It would rile her up. Yeah. Oh, it was so funny and we were dying laughing at that. So shout out Taylor. Yeah, okay. Life, your new standup special.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Yes. It's your second one on Netflix? I did a rant show on Netflix. It was back during the pandemic, Show Stays American, but that was a little different than standup, it was more like monologue version of it. Okay, so right out of the gates, I hadn't noticed this prior to this. But you know, I've been in bed with Kutcher for 22 years. He gave me my start.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Yeah. You and Ashton have an extremely similar vibe. Do people ever tell you look like him? Okay, here's the Kutcher story. I have two Kutcher stories. Oh great. So when I was younger, I used to get that a lot. I was studying abroad in Spain during college. I was in Barcelona. And Dove, who's sitting right there,
Starting point is 01:06:10 is my first friend in college. He's also currently my manager and partner now. Everybody's just part of the team. Literally the guy who does all our advertisements, my first friend in high school. The whole team is just the boys. You can probably be three times bigger as a business. Way bigger.
Starting point is 01:06:23 But like so much less fun. Okay. He's studying abroad in Paris. We go to visit him in Paris. And then the nightclubs in Paris, I guess he explains to me, there's like an old woman at the front door and she decides who gets in. Maybe it's not like that anymore,
Starting point is 01:06:35 but at the time that was pretty much the case. And Doug can talk to anybody. Yesterday, the guy who directed Dune, Denis Villeneuve, but the way that he talks to people, they think they know him. Oh, right. So the guy's walking by the table and then Dub goes, ah, bonjour, bonjour, whatever.
Starting point is 01:06:50 And then he stops, walks over, and he's like, ah, bonjour, how are you? They've never met. Oh my. Dub is almost like doing the Rickles thing where he's like, I'm having dinner. Yay. Were you guys at Sunset Tower?
Starting point is 01:07:01 Yes. Were you there last night? I wasn't, but one of my best friends was, and she was like, I think I saw him there last night. Yes, 100%. Sightings. So, we got some directors. There's so many.
Starting point is 01:07:09 We like directors, okay? Anyway, we go up to this club and he goes, hey Andrew, I just need you to just go over here, trust me, everything's gonna be fine. He goes, talks to the owner, they look at us, and we go in. We're walking around, and the owner is like, staying with me and like really talking to me a lot.
Starting point is 01:07:23 What's going on, what's your next project? And I go, I don't know, just hanging out in Barcelona for a little bit. This motherfucker told the owner that I was Ashton Kutcher and we got like 10 people into this hot Paris nightclub and then this asshole leaves me with the owner without telling me. So the owner thinks Ashton is studying abroad
Starting point is 01:07:39 in Barcelona for the semester. So yeah, there was maybe some similarity. It might be identical heights too. Maybe. Very handsome. Okay, the show's wonderful and as we already laid out a tiny bit, this special is solely about getting pregnant,
Starting point is 01:07:56 having a baby. How do you approach that? So I've never told stories and I've never been personal. I didn't think my life was very interesting. And then it was really difficult for us to get pregnant is the only thing I could think about. Like I couldn't think about any political, none of it really mattered.
Starting point is 01:08:08 Started talking about it on stage. The initial part was we weren't getting pregnant and I felt kind of misled. Maybe it's hard to get pregnant. Like my whole life I've been trying to not get women pregnant. What the hell's going on? As it progressed, my wife got more and more concerned
Starting point is 01:08:19 about it being her fault. I have a joke in there, I don't wanna like repeat the joke, but it's like, I also thought it was her fault. Because I didn't even know it could be our fault. And I'm with you. Kristen and I, when we decided to have a joke in there, I don't wanna repeat the joke, but it's like I also thought it was her fault because I didn't even know it could be our fault. And I'm with you, Chris and I, when we decided to have a baby, she said, do you wanna get your sperm count checked? And I go, why would I do that?
Starting point is 01:08:31 I'm not assuming I have a problem. Go look at the shower. And she goes, how many times did you fuck without a rubber and you've never gotten anyone pregnant? And I was like, oh shit, we don't even think about that. We think we're playing like Russian roulette and we're just the luckiest human being on the planet. So we went and got checked, and then it turned out
Starting point is 01:08:47 that her ovaries were perfect and that my sperm sucks. You were told specifically it's a C plus. Yeah, it's a C plus. They were trying to be more. You know it was a D. They upgraded. A plus. It was the plus that now I look back is so condescending. They're like, this will make them feel better.
Starting point is 01:09:01 And it did. Yeah, of course. It's almost a B minus. Almost a B. Yeah, course It's almost a B It's pretty much a B If you round up a solid B Also I have the same shitty sperm I tried in UCLA I read that I could make money donating
Starting point is 01:09:14 sperm because I was a student there and I went in and I did the jerk off thing and then they called and they were like Your sperm count's not high enough No fucking way From taking tea or anything like that? No this is when I was like 21 years old They want you to have a big sperm count at the bank. Yeah, they're so prejudiced. I was probably a C at 21.
Starting point is 01:09:29 Yeah, we don't talk about that enough, huh? No, I know. Yeah, poor you. They don't want any leaky sperm out there. They don't revalue you if you have an excessive amount of sperm. So once I found out it was me, this emotionally takes a big turn,
Starting point is 01:09:42 and I also feel a lot more comfortable talking about it on stage. Oh yeah, that makes sense. I think one of the big issues for couples that are struggling to get pregnant is the isolation in it, because you don't know who the issue is, and it's so painful for the woman especially,
Starting point is 01:09:56 because most of them think it's them. No guy ever thinks it's them. Even when he told me it was me, I was like, I'll just put your legs up or something. I was like, what do we need here? It's gravity. And then I would start talking me it was me, I was like, I'll just put your legs up or something. I was like, what do we need here? It's gravity. And then I would start talking about it on stage. There would be these guys who would come up to me
Starting point is 01:10:10 after shows and they'd be like, hey man, I really like that. That was pretty funny. And I was like, cool, thanks man. He goes, yeah, no, you should keep talking about that. It was good stuff. And that was like their way of going, hey. I feel less alone now.
Starting point is 01:10:22 I needed that. I didn't know that people were struggling to get pregnant. I didn't know how many women. I needed that. I didn't know that people were struggling to get pregnant. I didn't know how many women were freezing their eggs. I didn't know that this existed because it's so taboo and to a lot of people so embarrassing that they isolate, they don't share it all. And they feel deficient. Their friends are all having the babies. They don't know that their friends are also doing IVF.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Yeah. Right, right, right. What I learned through this and maybe one of the most rewarding parts of it is when I was doing the tour, I'd start getting all these DMs and to these day like I screenshot all of them because I didn't market the show is this They think they're getting crazy stand-up that I've been doing normally. They're gonna get the latina accent exactly Yeah, they come for the latina. They come for the fuck. Yeah, basically what happens is they go. Oh my god I was actually going through this it was really nice to see us laugh about it because it's been this really dark thing and then I get a message months later
Starting point is 01:11:05 with a picture of their baby. And then certain people who were going through stuff and they had trouble and maybe they saw it and now they're like, yo, we want to try IVF because of the show. I did not expect it. I did not write it for that reason. It was the only thing on my mind.
Starting point is 01:11:16 But the idea that it could destigmatize this thing and removing that stigma could give people the greatest thing they'll ever experience in their life, which is having a kid. By far, there's nothing even comes close. It was really cool. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's really special to get to receive that, I think.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Yeah. So you did an amazing promo with my boyfriend, the love of my life. The legend. Taylor plus Matt. I mean, I did think, I was like, Matt likes Andrew. Please don't.
Starting point is 01:11:40 I'm qualified. I guess. Anyway, you did lean in for that promo, and I was like, oh wow, this is really great. And I do think a lot of people who might not follow you or know your stuff or think something about you will be drawn to it because of that. But then I was like, man, I wish you would do more of that because I think his audience is limitless. Yeah. But we do think of you in a very certain package.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Yeah, exactly. I think that can be misleading for all humans, which is you have such a sharp skillset that really anything you bring that talent to bear on is gonna yield results. 100%. And it could mislead everyone. We had Robert Sapolsky.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Evolutionary biologist. Yeah, he's the smartest person alive probably. And he a determinist and I'm like great you've made a great argument but can you acknowledge you could have turned that same brain on free will and made just as convincing of an argument. It's just like where do you want to focus this hyper talent? Let me ask you if this observation rings true for you. In the last eight years we've watched so many people become famous in the podcast space, whether it's Huberman or name the number of people.
Starting point is 01:12:48 And I'm not using Huberman as an example in this, but I've watched many of these people get led by their audience instead of them leading their audience. Their audience will take them in a fucking rabbit hole. I've seen like eight people taking themselves out where they started here and they literally went in the rabbit hole because they just were responding to the most vitriolic response. Do you see that? I see that a lot. I think it's a really astute observation.
Starting point is 01:13:10 A lot of people don't realize how much the algorithm really dictates your content. And this is why when I was saying earlier, like I try to block out everything when I'm in creator mode, even the algorithm. We'll put out episodes. I know how to make every episode go crazy, but then you're a grifter.
Starting point is 01:13:24 It's important to me to put out episodes, talk about the things we want to talk about with the people we're interested in. And you would hope that your core fans will maybe share some appreciation of the people. But I understand that it's going to alienate some. And I think what happens a lot of times for people in our position is once you get some success, with success, there's always scrutiny. That's the cost of success. Criticism is the cost. We have to pay it.
Starting point is 01:13:49 But when you feel immense scrutiny, it is very easy to retreat towards protection. And protection is usually one ideology. If you're just the right guy, the right got your back as long as you say all those things. If you're just the left guy, the left got your back as long as you say all those things. If you're just the left guy, the left got your back as long as you say those things. Vastulating between the two is gonna piss both of them off. I feel like this is the road I've struck down, unfortunately. No, but that's how you maintain your authenticity and then the people that actually know you
Starting point is 01:14:16 appreciate you as a person and not just a mouthpiece for one ideology, which I don't wanna be, I just wanna be me. And I'll say this too about who I think is so fucking funny. Shane Gillis. Shane is great, man. He's unbelievably good. That's the unfortunate thing of our current society is you're
Starting point is 01:14:32 watching things trying to pin them to a camp the whole time. It's like, whoa, where are they? Are they liberal? Are they conservative? And what's fun about Shane is it's a hardcore conservative position. It's a hardcore left position. It's bouncing back and forth.
Starting point is 01:14:44 And I personally love and cherish that. And It's bouncing back and forth, and I personally love and cherish that. And you're bouncing back and forth in this special. You definitely have some moments, I think. I think so. This isn't funny, this is just another observation. So we went through the same thing. You're there, you're in labor forever. All of a sudden people rush in, the heart rate has crashed,
Starting point is 01:14:59 and now you're having this emergency thing. Oh, did Chris have C-section? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, too. How scary is that shit? It is. Did you have that shit? It is. Did you have this moment, this is so dark to say, and I would never make this decision now, but on the ride with her and a gurney,
Starting point is 01:15:12 and me walking next down the hallway and 15 doctors all in a panic, I literally said, just keep Kristin alive. I don't give a fuck. Like I was so excited to have this baby, but my God is my wife in danger right now? Yep, 100%. I was just like please keep her alive and now I'd be like take her I keep Lincoln and Delta You know what's funny is that Kristen would probably give her life a hundred times over that life
Starting point is 01:15:35 Oh, of course And she'd have me killed a thousand times to save him a broken arm and I want her to That's funny That's how it should be Take him But yeah, that's funny. That's how it should be. Take him. Yeah. But yeah, it's terrifying. I think birth is one of these opportunities where you get to see someone put 100% effort.
Starting point is 01:15:50 It's very rare in life you get to see 100% effort. You get to see your partner do that, and it's pretty awesome, because we think we work hard, we're like, oh, I worked 12 days, and then you get to see your partner really fucking light it up, and Emma lost a lot of blood,
Starting point is 01:16:03 and this is really beautiful. The baby latched, and they told her lot of blood. And this is like really beautiful. The baby latched and they told her, they're like hey listen I know you're exhausted and you lost a lot of blood. It would be really helpful for the baby if you can feed. I remember she stayed up, she fed the baby, the baby pulled off, they took the baby, and she's like is she okay, is she full?
Starting point is 01:16:19 And they're like yeah she's full, she's fine. And she goes okay, and then she just fell asleep. Died. But it was just like she gave everything. Does that make you admire her? Fuck yeah. And you go oh this new thing I care so much about hit the jackpot with this.
Starting point is 01:16:34 With a mom. Yeah. Full of gratitude on the baby's behalf. And there's also a moment where you're like if you ever fucking talk back to your mom. Yeah right. I hope you talk back to your mom. I hope you do that shit in front of me.
Starting point is 01:16:47 I hope you give her some attitude in front of me. That's why I say to Monica all the time, my dream in life is someone shoves her. Yeah, because they can't be worth her getting shoved and falling down just so I can react. That's funny, that's funny. You're hoping when you're walking, that's funny. Even you coming today, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:17:01 I wanna be bros with you for life, to be honest. But if it goes down, it's going down, and that's how it's gotta be. Sorry, it really didn't go down. I knew it wouldn't go, it didn't go crazy. I did too. It is good to enter thinking that. I try to have people with different opinions on my podcast,
Starting point is 01:17:16 but maybe it's important for me to go on others as well, because then their audience, it's like, my audience knows that my thinking is diverse, but the other other audience might not so coming on a place like here. Maybe you get a well-rounded version That's been my thing recently is like I don't need to go on another liberal podcast What I do is go on to bears Yeah on ideally Rogan and go you can also be a masculine dude and cares a lot about people and wants to help them You can do all those things. You're not a pussy if you care. I adore you. I love you guys. Thank you so much. I'm so glad this happened. I really appreciate you guys doing this. Oh my god.
Starting point is 01:17:52 Yeah. Alright everybody watch Life. It's fantastic. It's on now on Netflix. You have it. Watch it. Also listen to The Brilliant Idiots and Flagrant. Go listen to Dax's episode of Flagrant if you haven't already. It's awesome. It was very fun, you guys are so sweet. Thanks, thank you so much. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here, she's gonna let him have the facts.
Starting point is 01:18:17 I'm working late, cause I'm a singer. It's a good song. I think that's the cutest lyric I've ever heard. Yeah, it's a good one. I'm working late, cause I'm a singer. It's a good song. I think that's the cutest lyric I've ever heard. Yeah, it's a good one. I'm working late, cause I'm a singer. She's very cheeky.
Starting point is 01:18:31 Oh my God, I'm so late to the party, but now I'm an enormous Sabrina Carpenter friend. It started with Bed Chem. Oh. Do you know that song? Is it on the new out? Is it recently? I'll play you one teased of it
Starting point is 01:18:43 before we get flagged for copyright infringement. But let me see if I can give you a taste of it. Let's hear it. I don't know this one, I don't think. I was driving with Delta to school today and we listened to it every morning. And I said, you know the sign of a really, you know when a song's a fucking jam,
Starting point is 01:19:02 a lot of times you're driving in cars and the song's good and it's a dancey track and you're like maybe clicking your fingers and maybe you're dancing a little bit. But if a song hits, you can't resist dancing with your shoulders. Just telling her that's what you look for. Okay, that's the song.
Starting point is 01:19:16 And so we were both in the car fucking, ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma- We're really getting our shoulders active this morning. It was a blast. Nice. It's really fun now that I love her favorite artist. I know. It's fun for her. Yeah, of course. Because now I'm on the Sabrina train. Yeah. And I'm like, what about this one? She's like, have you listened to Juno? And then I'm like, okay, I listened to Juno.
Starting point is 01:19:37 It was a little slower. She was worried it was gonna be a little too slow for you. So we're really like. Okay, I like that. It's very fun. She gets sexy, Sabrina. Oh, she is. There's some real sexual stuff.
Starting point is 01:19:51 In fact. Juno is sexual. Well, I'm so glad you brought this up. I would have forgotten to say this. So we were laying in bed last night and we're talking about Juno. And I'm like, I don't wanna tell her it wasn't my favorite because it's her favorite.
Starting point is 01:20:04 But I am not to lie to her. All right. So here we are. So we're working through it. Yeah, I understand. It's a little more of this than she goes. But do you know what Juno is? And I go, no. And she's like, well, it's a movie. And I go, the movie Juno? Yes, I know.
Starting point is 01:20:22 She goes, yeah. She said, I want you to make me Juno because it's a story about a girl who gets pregnant. And I go, yeah. I go, ooh, that's a little nasty. All right, I see. And she goes, what's nasty about wanting to have a baby with somebody?
Starting point is 01:20:39 And I go, well, it's a teenager. She's in high school. And she goes, oh, she's in high school. So she knew part of the Juno story. She didn't know she was in high school. And she goes, oh, she's in high school. So she knew part of the Juno story. She didn't know she was in high school. Oh, she thought it was romantic. Yes, and the way she phrased it was like, wait, what's nasty about wanting to have a baby
Starting point is 01:20:55 with someone you love? And I was like, oh no, there's nothing nasty about that. I'm just saying, I wanna get pregnant in high school is kind of a nasty, fun lyric. Yeah. Nasty, it is a positive nasty, I'm saying. Yeah, of course. I brought a list today.
Starting point is 01:21:08 Okay. Okay. Do you wanna tell me something you wanna talk about before I get to the next thing I wanna talk about? Yes, so I had another ear situation. An ear infection? Not a full infection. Swimmer's ear? Not swimmer's ear. Not swimmer's ear.
Starting point is 01:21:25 David swimmer's ear? Unfortunately, I wish. No, so I have three holes. Okay. And I don't really use the top one very much at all, but I found these earrings and it didn't look right in the second hole. So I moved them up to the third hole
Starting point is 01:21:41 and I had to like really like- Work it in there. Shove it in. Yeah, repuncture it. Yeah, but I cleaned it, I did my best. And then it did start hurting pretty quickly, but I left it because it looked so cute. Some is very similar story to last time.
Starting point is 01:21:56 Yes, and I left it and I left it. And then that night I took it out and it was like really hard to get out. Like I think it had swollen sort of around it. So I yanked it out. And then I cleaned it all up. It had like fused to the metal. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:11 And then I cleaned it up, but it was really painful. And I couldn't like lay on, I couldn't lay, had to back sleep. Isn't it weird that your upper ears are very prone to infection? They're sensitive. Yeah, it's very weird. The higher you get on my ear, I think they just can't handle it. It's just very infection prone.
Starting point is 01:22:33 Don't say it with such a gross face. Well, it is. It's very... It's not my fault. It's like a cess. I prefer to call it sensitive. Okay, it's sensitive. Anyway... Particularly sensitive to infection. Yeah. Okay, it's sensitive. Anyway, so. Particularly sensitive to infection.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Yeah. Yeah, of its many sensitivities. And yeah, it had like a big, you could feel the big node in there. Big lump of infection. Don't make that face. Okay. Anyway, it's feeling a little bit back to normal.
Starting point is 01:22:59 Okay, I'm glad you got it out of there because that's an improvement. The big question is, am I allowed to do it again? I think it's a wrap on your upper ears. Really? I mean, repeat the same thing, expect a different result, it's like two for two. Or maybe it just needs a couple times
Starting point is 01:23:18 before it can acclimate. I mean, it's your body, your decision, but I think we stay away from there. Okay. Bit me twice, shame on me. You're at the shame on me part. First time was shame on your ear. Sure.
Starting point is 01:23:32 And now it's shame on you. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Yeah. Now this one I flagged, I did flag it with you in mind. I thought this would interest you, even if the topic doesn't, because of where the money comes from. Okay. I thought this would interest you even if the topic doesn't because of where
Starting point is 01:23:45 the money comes from. Okay. I read this headline yesterday or the day before. Unmarried Hermes Heir, that's hard to say. I know this story. Leaving $11 billion to former Gardner. I know. He's gonna adopt the Gardner. Wow.
Starting point is 01:24:06 So that he can pass it on. There'll have to be a movie about this, right? Of course, of course. It's not like he got left a million dollars. Like you got left, you're in the top 200 richest people in the world kind of money. It's so sweet.
Starting point is 01:24:24 Although there is some little bit of it having to do with he doesn't want control of his portion to go to certain people. Yeah, I think it's also a strategic move, but an extremely generous strategic move. And if I'm the gardener, I don't really give a shit what your motivation is. You give me that $11 billion.
Starting point is 01:24:41 I know. Can you imagine waking up, you went to bed, you had like $3,000 in the bank, and the next morning you have $11 billion. I mean, of course, a pessimistic version of this is that they were in love. I mean, that's a weird thing to say. It's like cynical.
Starting point is 01:25:02 I guess, it's like they're in love, so that's why this is happening. But, but like the better story. Could be unrequited love. Maybe. Ooh, God. Okay. If someone was in love with me and I wasn't in love with them and I made that clear but they could not stop.
Starting point is 01:25:22 Right. Persist pursuing. Yeah. And then they died. I made that clear, but they could not stop pursuing. And then they died. And left you $11 billion. And left me $11 billion. Would I? Love them posthumously?
Starting point is 01:25:34 No, would I feel like I can't accept this? No, because you had been honest. If you let them on and married them as they had gotten their cancer prognosis, yeah, you're pretty shady. Yeah, okay, okay. But also, it's sad. It's like he just loved me so much.
Starting point is 01:25:57 That even if you didn't like him, he still wanted you to be happy. That's true love. You should have loved him back. I know, I regret this. You should. I really regret not loving him back. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:09 Okay. I wanna know more about the gardener. Yeah, me too. And I wanna know, cause it's in Italy or something? Where are they? Some more France probably. Okay, is that where it remains?
Starting point is 01:26:18 Yeah. Okay, that makes more sense then. Okay, probably not Croatia. I mean, we don't know where they are. They're billionaires. They could be anywhere. Sky's the limit. They could be in the sky. Their money're billionaires. They could be anywhere. Sky's the limit. Their money knows no bond.
Starting point is 01:26:25 They could be living up in the sky in Elysium. Yeah. He's older. I think the gardener is 50. Oh Jesus. My age. Well, yeah. I guess he can totally still enjoy it.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Yes, exactly. So I have such a disconnect when reading someone's 50. That does not sound like my age. Right. It doesn't sound like your age to me. I think I'm just coming to terms as the very second that it's 50. It's really 50.
Starting point is 01:26:57 It's not 40. But 50 is the new, like it's the new 45. Like I think of you- 45, we can't do better than that. No, like I'm being realistic. I think of you as 45. Okay. Kind of perpetually.
Starting point is 01:27:13 Permanently? Yeah. Okay. I'll try to live up to that. I'm certainly trying my hardest to live up to it. Yeah, I think, I don't mean you look 45 or like, I mean- I definitely look 50 so you- No, God, what a trap.
Starting point is 01:27:27 No, I'm just saying you'll live at that age for me forever. Right. It's gonna be hard for me when I turn 45 cause I'm gonna be like. What about when you turn 50 and you're five years older than me? Yeah, it's gonna get confusing. It's gonna get messy. Yeah. Okay, we might have to update. It's gonna get messy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:45 Okay, we might have to update. TBD when I turned 60, you might bump me up to 50. Okay, what is your age in your head currently? 40. 40. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm 40. Yeah. Pretty sure I'm 40.
Starting point is 01:28:00 You might wanna go check and see if you're 40. 50? Yeah. That's a real number. I know. Oh my God, this is really just hitting me. Wow. Yeah, cause when I read the Gardner was 50,
Starting point is 01:28:12 I was like, oh, he gave a guy that's almost dead a blow. I wish he would have given it to him when he was 30. That's, you can't, no. But now I realize he's just my age. He's just a guy, he's a little boy my age. Yeah. Oh age. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:28 50. I feel like I'm 32. Yeah, I can sign off on that. I feel 32. So we're both deducting five years. I guess, yeah. No, you're deducting 10. 45, you said I was 45.
Starting point is 01:28:44 Yeah, but you said you were 40. Oh yeah, I think I'm 40. Oh no, 45's older than I am. Tell you this much. Oh wait, let me look up the Hermes Gardner. Yeah, I wonder if he's doing any press now that he's an 11 billionaire. I hope he disperses some of the money to other people.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Like I hope this is a cascade of people getting called and going like, hey, guess what? You have a hundred million dollars. You guess what? Cause he could give 110 people a hundred million dollars. But I think part of it is now that guy will own a percentage of Hermes. Okay, so really it's not cash.
Starting point is 01:29:20 It's value in the company. Oh, that's a good, okay. It says Nicholas, you? Oh boy. P-U-K? Oh, boy. P-E-U-C-H. P-E-U. P-E-U. A fifth-generation heir to the Hermes fortune
Starting point is 01:29:33 reportedly plans to adopt his former gardener and handyman, a 51-year-old man from a modest Moroccan family, and bequeath him a substantial portion of his estimated $12 billion, $13 billion fortune. It says he's reclusive and childless, 80, he's 80. He owns approximately 5.7% of Hermes shares. Okay. What are this guy's first line of work
Starting point is 01:30:02 is to introduce a line of Hermes clothing for gardeners specifically like patches in the knees. Oh, that's actually cute. That would be cute. He could take this. He might be worth 30 billion after he implements. Puke has a strained relationship with his family. You can't call him that.
Starting point is 01:30:20 What's his first name? Puke has a strained relationship with his family and initially had plans to leave his fortune to the Isocrates Foundation, a charity he founded. However, he reportedly reversed those plans possibly due to disagreements with his family and is now in the process of arranging his estate to pass on his wealth to his former employee.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Former, not even his current garner. I know, it's his old garner. Oh, wow. Yeah. God, wow. Yeah. God, these bags are nice. No one's gotten an interview with the gardener. What's the gardener's name? They haven't, I'm not seeing.
Starting point is 01:30:51 That's probably best. Yeah, they'll kill. Well, just, like, it's not a good idea when people, I've watched some docs on lottery winners. There's a lot of fascinating stuff about lottery winners. One is they file bankruptcy or a really high rate, which is sad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:06 But also the amount of people that come out of the woodwork. Oh yeah. Looking for money. And I guess it kind of makes sense. Like if you're asking for somebody for the money they earned, I think it's a different threshold than like, hey, you find out your friend found $50 million in his backyard, which is basically
Starting point is 01:31:23 what winning the lottery is. Yep. Well, he didn basically what winning the lottery is. Well, he didn't, you know, maybe he'd be easy, easy come, easy go with it, because he just found it. And so you feel like if you, someone passes it down, you feel more of a responsibility to that person maybe? Well, I just think if they said his name out loud, people, everyone that knows him like,
Starting point is 01:31:43 but you get given $11 billion, give me some. Oh. Whereas if he built some business for 40 years, they wouldn't be like, give me some of your business. It is really funny. People really feel like, like, give me some is a real, Give me some.
Starting point is 01:31:59 It's like a real thought in a lot of people's heads. Yeah. You have so much money and you should give me some. For free. I certainly never felt that way. Like there was a period where, you know, my mom and my brother were partners and they both made a very good living in Michigan
Starting point is 01:32:15 when I was quite broke in California. And I never felt like they should give me some money. Yeah. But sometimes when we're with Bill Gates, I do think, why doesn't he just give me a billion dollars to be funny? No, that's not. Isn't that funny?
Starting point is 01:32:32 I don't think that's that funny. It's fun for me. It's fun for you. It's fun for me and funny for him. I don't think it's funny for anyone else. So I do think that when I'm around someone who's got like hundreds of billions of dollars, I do think, well, you could give me a dollar like hundreds of billions of dollars, I do think well you could give me a dollar
Starting point is 01:32:46 That's basically you've got $200 and you give me a dollar It's true. Like obviously the more somebody has the more like it's like yeah bill Maybe you just give me a million actually like that's nothing for him Can I just have a million just cuz it's funny? Cuz you're like, oh my god, you know the last time I saw Dax, I gave him $16 million just like out of nowhere. He wasn't even expecting it. This is my best joke.
Starting point is 01:33:10 I gave Dax. Yes, it's a great joke, Bill. But I guess that's how everyone feels. That's right. So yeah, if anyone has a million dollars and they have $20,000, of course they're gonna be like, give me 50,000 of your dollars, please. That's right, it's too much for you.
Starting point is 01:33:29 And I get it. Yeah. I guess I get it all. I get it. So everyone can say, give me some, I guess it's allowed. That's what you're deputizing everyone in your life. Oh, on the topic of give me some, which my tattoo artists have started saying,
Starting point is 01:33:44 give me money to show your arm. Oh, on the topic of give me some, which my tattoo artist has started saying, give me money to show your arm. Oh, okay. I did sit for seven hours. Yeah. And have everything, I think we gotta put an end to that story because I didn't list the armchairs. You wanna close the gap.
Starting point is 01:34:00 You wanna- Close the door. No, they call it- Close the loop. Close the loop. loop right so it happened I sat for seven hours and This great guy Markey that is a tattoo artist in Illinois that Robbie knows yes Robb. Yep. I wonder if he likes Robbie. I say Robbie a lot I'm just so confused for me because I have my own Robbie. You have your own one. I do too a little bit
Starting point is 01:34:24 I have your Robbie exactly so so have your own one, I do too a little bit. I have your Robbie. Exactly, so. The man who's giving everyone epilepsy. So Wobby Wob is so. He's giving everyone epilepsy. But there's no other, there's other Robbie's, but there's no other Wobby Wob.
Starting point is 01:34:36 There is no other Wobby Wob. But it was his dude, wonderful guy. And yeah, everything has been altered enough that now I can be in a commercial in a short sleeve shirt. That's exciting. So I'm very happy. I got my limb back. Yeah, that's exciting.
Starting point is 01:34:54 And me and my best friend Aaron Winkley got matching J2C tattoos. Yes. Yeah. Do you wanna show to the camera? Can you see it? I can't really see it, which is a bummer. What do you mean? Well, I would like to be able to see it.
Starting point is 01:35:09 Yeah, you can't see it, cause you put it on your neck. Yeah, then I can't see the back of my neck. Correct. Because I just found out. Oh, you didn't think it through. I didn't realize I can't see the back of my neck. Yeah, so it's kind of behind your ear. Yeah, and I move my ear in the mirror
Starting point is 01:35:22 and that doesn't help me. So I don't really know. I'm not sure what it looks like, but. It looks great. Okay, it's there. It says J2C, wait, is it? Not that anyone needs reminding January 2nd Capricorn. Is yours black?
Starting point is 01:35:37 Both of us are the same. The J and the C are blue and the two is red. I need to look closer. Okay. Get a little closer with air and extra dry. And that's what I want. I want people to really get into my neck to look at this thing.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Because I want to invite a vampire to bite me so that I can live forever. You ever wanna live forever? Oh my God. No, well not like that. I don't wanna live like a vampire. So many people say they don't wanna live forever. It's just very common.
Starting point is 01:36:08 I think it's the most popular answer to that. Do you, I think the most popular answer is they do, but then once you start thinking about it, you think. No, everyone I talk to says no. They all go like, I don't wanna live forever. But what I don't think is realistic about that is like, what day do they think they're gonna wake up and go like, yeah, I wanna die today.
Starting point is 01:36:27 So when you think about it that way, they wait one day at a time. I think one day at a time you would live forever. You're just not gonna wake up and be like, okay, yep, bride's over. I think the older you get, way older than 50, way older. 250? You get uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:36:47 Like life starts, you mean, oh. In this scenario where you can live to 250, I'm living as I am today. They completely arrest my aging. 40, yeah, I'll be 40 for the next 210 years. Yeah, I see what you mean. I think you might get. Bored.
Starting point is 01:36:59 Tired of this. I really do. I guess what I'm saying is, you'd have to be suicidal one day. You'd have to wake up and go, I don't want to live anymore. Yeah. Right? And I don't think people do that part of the equation. It's like, what day do you think you're going to wake up and be suicidal?
Starting point is 01:37:17 I don't think it would be the same as being suicidal in a real regular life. Right. Because you have such a limited amount of time in a regular life. And so to cut that short is obviously caused by depression. You have an expectation and it's, yeah. But if you're, you've been on earth for 250 years, I don't know that I would say it's suicidal to say like, you know, I think I did it.
Starting point is 01:37:43 I'm done. As the same way that like an 85 or 90 year old, sometimes I think they feel like, well, I'm depending, but I do think some people are like, I lived my life and I'm done now. But I do think most of those people, their quality of life's gone down quite a bit. They can't go out and do things and they cannot,
Starting point is 01:38:06 there's loneliness and isolation and body pains and incontinence, don't forget incontinence. Like if you were peeing your pants three times a day, you'd be like, I'm fucking done. I'm sick of cleaning my. Well, somebody else would be cleaning it. So you'd like, you're the one that wanted to wear diapers and pee in the bed. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds great. You know. So you'd like, you're the one that wanted to wear diapers and pee in the bed.
Starting point is 01:38:25 Yeah. Yeah. It sounds great. You already want that. Last night, yeah, I would have loved to have been wearing a diaper. See? It's not gonna slow you down.
Starting point is 01:38:33 I don't know. I guess it's just, we won't know until we try it. Yeah. But my gut is I will be ready to be done. By then. I really do. I was wondering if that's a sign of depression. That should be on like a first questionnaire.
Starting point is 01:38:49 Maybe. Do you feel like you're gonna be done soon? You go, yeah, yeah. Ironically, I'm not scared of dying. Me neither. I mean, I'm scared of everyone else dying. And that's part of it. If you live 250 years,
Starting point is 01:39:05 the amount of loss you are gonna have accumulated is a lot. It's a lot, but you'll be making new friends and having more children and having more lives. No, I, no. You have to just think, what if you could live a whole other life in France? And then a whole other life in China? then a whole other life in China. Like there's so many corners of the world
Starting point is 01:39:29 to keep things interesting. And then after like 800 years, you're like, I'm gonna move back to Milford, Michigan. Try that out again. Hope it's still there. It will be not what you remember. Probably skyscrapers and flying cars. Yeah, I don't know though.
Starting point is 01:39:44 It's like, are we just, I think our lives are supposed to have an end. I don't know. Well, clearly they are. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, and so I think if we monkey around with that. That's the part I think is interesting. Yeah, people think like you're going against nature.
Starting point is 01:40:01 What you're really saying is you're going against God. There's something deep that people think you're playing God if you live forever. I don't think that, because I don't believe that. Like, but I... It's moral, dumbfounding. You're like, you know it's greedy and too much to ask to live forever.
Starting point is 01:40:17 There's something about it, like there's some moral imperative that feels like being violated by living forever. I think there's something very poetic about a life. We've been forced to view it that way though, because that is what it is. I think we have no choice but to see it as poetic. But I don't know, I think wisdom is real.
Starting point is 01:40:37 And I think wisdom obviously comes with experience, but it also comes with knowing that the end is coming closer. So I don't know if we are living forever, if anyone really ends up- Acquiring wisdom? Like the feeling that you talk about when you talk about like your kids, that's a feeling that I think a lot of older people
Starting point is 01:41:03 feel about life in general. They just see the preciousness of the whole picture and humanity and people. And I think that's a really beautiful thing. And I think you earn that by getting towards the end. I really do. Where you start cherishing everything. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Think how much wisdom you could have though after 400 years. I don't think you would. I even feel this aging how much wisdom you could have though after 400 years. I don't think you would. I even feel this aging myself is like, you'd have seen so many market collapses, Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:32 social upheaval that you would go like, yeah, and it'll pass. Yeah. You know, kind of like emotions in your body. And I've gotten to that. Like I've just seen like, you know, 2008, you're a monster if you drive an SUV. The SUV market collapses.
Starting point is 01:41:52 And then I look up one day and it's like, oh, everyone's trying to cross over an SUV and everyone just kind of forgot about that thing. And just these cycles of like, everyone decided everything is just, this is so terrible and we're done with this. And then I watch it come right back up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:06 For me, it's helpful, because I'll watch the current craze of like what is gonna go away. And I'll just go like, yeah, maybe, well, I don't know. We'll see how this- Yeah, my friend Sally, she has this guy in her building. He's older, I think maybe like 90. Like during the election time, he was like, it's four years.
Starting point is 01:42:28 Right. Yeah. And I think some of that you're seeing some of that in me in our current thing. You're only 40. I don't think you get to say that. I haven't earned that right. In the way that the 90 year old gets to. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
Starting point is 01:42:49 All right. Okay. Well, this is for Andrew. Andrew Schultz. Andrew Schultz. Yes. Some feedback just came in for, because it's on the week early.
Starting point is 01:43:06 It's on One D. Plus already. Yeah, and already I read a couple people say like, oh my God, what a fucking incredible episode. Good. So that was good. That's great. Yeah, it was good to have him and talk some stuff out. Okay, Russia, McDonald's.
Starting point is 01:43:23 Oh. Yeah, they did sell it to a local buyer, McDonald McDonald's. Oh. Yeah. They did sell it to a local buyer, McDonald's, during the war. They sold it. Well, they left Russia. They left Russia, and then those buildings just got taken over by some other company. Right, but still in the food...
Starting point is 01:43:41 Still at McDonald's. Yeah. Now what's the name now? It's called. Vladimir Putin's hamburger house. Exactly. Putin's patty mill house. Putin's patties.
Starting point is 01:43:55 Putin's patties, I'd go. Vkusno Tatchka. It translates to tasty and that's it. Tasty and that's it is the title. That feels very Russian, my stereotype is like. I know, it's oblique. Yeah, this is what I said like, the story of my Russian stone person.
Starting point is 01:44:16 My first house, whatever that is 20 years ago, and I was redoing the bathroom, and the contractor had brought the stone person that was gonna put in all the stone in the bathroom. But he hadn't said anything. And the contractor was like, do you want a steam shower? Do you want this? Do you want this?
Starting point is 01:44:33 So many options, right? And at a certain point I said, sometimes I just wish I was doing this fucking bathroom in Russia. It's like, you want to take shit? Yes, no. You want to wash face? So I do my Russian thing and there's no laughing.
Starting point is 01:44:47 Oh. And I say, are you Russian? To the guy there. And he's like, yes, but it is funny. Oh, good. And everyone else laughed. Okay. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:44:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so tasty and that's it. Tasty and that's it. If you don't like tasty, then fucking keep it moving. Yep, okay. Now, is Fanta Nazi Coke? Fanta, owned by Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola company.
Starting point is 01:45:16 Fanta was introduced in 1940 and is the second oldest brand owned by Coca-Cola. Introduced in Germany? Correct, during World War II due to ingredient shortages. Okay, so it was created there in Germany land. That's right, in World War II. Okay. So, ellipses.
Starting point is 01:45:34 We'll leave it at that. I always find this so interesting. Yeah. I bring it up kind of too often. But Adidas and Puma were brothers. Really? Yes, they owned a shoe company together. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 01:45:50 And at the outbreak of World War II, one was a sympathizer and one was not. And the company split up over it. Really? So Puma is the non-Nazi one? I'm not gonna say anything out loud yet. Well, yeah, we already know about Adidas and their- Adidas.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Yeah, that was his name, right? I think that was their last name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, the Nazi got the last name, then the other one had to go with Puma. Pretty cool. Hey, I like Pumas.
Starting point is 01:46:20 I mean, everyone likes Pumas, but like... You get to, when it's your last name, it's a blank slate. And you get to like really make that a brand. When it's Puma, you already have an idea of what a Puma is. The logo has to be a Puma. A cougar. Yeah, gotta be a mid-size mountain cat. Okay, Donnie Burns is the Scottish ballroom dancer
Starting point is 01:46:47 who has won many titles and holds a Guinness World Record. I was looking up most winningest ballroom dancer. How many has he won? Well, he's won 14-time World Professional Latin Champion, 11-time International Latin American Dance Champion. That's what's unfair to a lot of these disciplines. You know, a guy like Jordan wins six rings and you're like, he's the Michael Jordan of whatever.
Starting point is 01:47:10 And then some other guys win, he's on 14 times. He's like Jordan, you need a step stool to kiss my ass. That's what he would say. That is probably what he would say. Yeah, I guess that is unfair. Okay, Andrew said that Tim Walt said he was at the Battle of Gettysburg In the Civil War that was obviously a joke hyperbole that was hyperbole and it was a joke It was Tiananmen Square, correct that he said he was
Starting point is 01:47:37 There part of and he was not okay. That was bad. Okay bipolar you said ten times the rate in Japan. I mean, I'm sorry, we have 10 times the rate over Japan. The United States has the highest lifetime rate of bipolar disorder at 4.4%. India the lowest with 0.1%. And Japan, 0.7%. 0.1% and Japan 0.7%. 0.7, 44 divided by seven is almost seven. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:12 So seven. 7%. No, seven times. Seven. We have seven times the rate, not 10 times the rate. Yeah. That's still astronomical. That's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot.
Starting point is 01:48:24 Is Jack Schlossberg JFK's grandson? Yes, he is. Congratulations. Oh, okay. I thought he looked like Ben Schwartz. And I thought he looked like Ashton Kutcher. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't, he doesn't look like Ben Schwartz,
Starting point is 01:48:39 but they have similar mannerisms. And then this also, I just started watching The Pit. Right. Which is on Max. It's a medical drama. It's ER, just call it ER. It's basically ER, it has Noah Wiley. John Wells, I think is the show.
Starting point is 01:48:55 Correct. And it's fun. I really just like them medical drama. The only one I ever got hooked on was House. That's the one I didn't do. Because Hugh Laurie is so incredible. Yeah, he is such a good actor. He's a cantankerous addict.
Starting point is 01:49:12 Right. And the most brilliant doctor on the planet. So you never watched ER? No. Really? No. Well, I just finished a pit and I'm gonna restart ER. Oh, so you're gonna restart pit.
Starting point is 01:49:23 I just finished pit and I'm gonna restart it. I mean, you're gonna restart Pitt. I just finished Pitt and I'm gonna restart it. I mean, that is something I have done, but no. I'm gonna restart ER, I'm excited about that. I was too busy in life when that came out. You know, it was like early 20s, I think. I wasn't watching TV. I was like out every single night doing something fun. Yeah, you were probably ninth, yeah,
Starting point is 01:49:43 because I have very vivid memories of watching it with my mom in bed. Fun. Yes, and in our house in Tennessee, so I would have been seven. Watching TV in bed is so fun. It is. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:57 We would watch ER. So seven, so yeah, you were 19. Yeah. That was nostalgic watching the pit, but there's an actor on there that is so Ashton-y. Oh really? Yes. And there's an actress that is very Christina Ricci.
Starting point is 01:50:17 Ooh. So there's a lot of doppelgangers on that show, which is interesting. And then I was reminded that there's like some people that are cutouts in the sim. There's like, they're a cookie cutter that gets stamped and then they just like change some things. I've been saying this, yeah, now that I'm 40
Starting point is 01:50:38 and I've met tens of thousands of people in my life, I think there's like 1600 people. I meet doubles nonstop. And then what's crazy is the people with the same physicality, their personalities are generally the same too. Like I think how you look ends up predicting a little bit how you're going to act. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:59 Yeah, so they just take like, they like make the ear a little bigger and like flatten the nose a little bit. They're like, that one's good. a little bigger and like flatten the nose a little bit. They're like, that one's good. Yeah, they do like a 2%. Exactly. Kind of like my tattoos, ding ding ding. Change them enough that they're original.
Starting point is 01:51:12 Exactly. Okay. I didn't know what buck breaking was. Ugly term. Yeah. Or maybe not ugly, ugly activity. Right, correct. The history of sexual exploitation of black people
Starting point is 01:51:25 by the dominant society, particularly the sexual exploitation of black men. We're gonna go out on buck breaking? No, no, no, no. AOC's district voted for Kamala. Okay. She lost some votes. Okay.
Starting point is 01:51:42 But she still won it. Gotcha. So some people moved over is the thing, but not the majority. Gotcha. Okay. But she still won it. Gotcha. So some people moved over is the thing, but not the majority. Gotcha. Okay. That's it. That settles it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:52 Okay. Yeah. Wonderful. That was, I was glad we had him on. Oh yeah, me too. Yeah. All right. Love you.
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