Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Armchair Anonymous: Moving

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

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Okay, so you have a moving story. Does it involve moving to New York City? No, actually. This story involves moving to Washington, D.C. It takes place in the fall of 2016. I had just graduated college the previous spring. With a degree in what? In international relations. Ooh, okay. Then the D.C. makes a lot of sense. I'm going to be honest, I did not get a job in any international relations related field. I was living at home back with my parents applying to jobs.

And my childhood friend, Katie, was also back in our hometown. And she had just started working for a film marketing company. And they had another opening. She encouraged me to apply. I got the job. And then by the fall, we both had full-time jobs there. So we decided to relocate to D.C., which is where this company was based out of. So, of course, being recent college graduates, we had no money.

And also, like, very few belongings that we needed to move anyways. Yeah. So we decided, you know, we'll just move ourselves. We're going to rent a U-Haul van. Katie's dad volunteered to help us move down. So the three of us caravanned down to D.C. Katie was driving in front in her car. And then her dad, Gary, was driving the U-Haul van.

And then I was falling behind in my pickup truck. So we make our way down to D.C. The apartment building we were moving into was actually just outside of D.C. in Crystal City, Virginia. It was like one of those big apartment buildings where there's a front desk and a gym, a parking garage. Sounds very upscale. For recent college graduates, it honestly, it was. It was shocking that we were able to move into this building. So we get down there and ahead of time, the building had sent us move in instructions.

and they had said, use the service elevator, it's around back, it's right by the entrance to the parking garage. So Katie's in the lead, we're driving around back, and she didn't see the garage. Again, we're not talking to each other. We're all separately in our cars. Katie thought that the elevator must be in the garage. So she pulls in, and we just followed, which we immediately realized we shouldn't have done that. It was a big mistake because I could immediately see the top of the U-Haul just scraping against the ceiling of the parking garage. Okay. So the dad didn't have the right clearance. We did not have clearance. But at this point, it was like we were in too deep. He's basically kind of scraping through the entrance. He goes all the way. All the way in. Luckily, my truck

cleared it, just barely. So I was fine. But immediately, I knew we could. kind of screwed up on that. And I'm going to add, if you unload, the U-Haul van's going to get lighter and it's going to get even taller. Great point. We didn't think about that either. I would say there was very little thinking. It was one of the situations where you like knew you had messed up going into it, but then it was too late to back out. Yeah, you've passed the point of no return. We pull off to the side and I jump out. Katie and her dad are already out of their cars. They're freaking out. And Katie's dad, Gary, was like, normally a very relaxed, laid-back dad.

He was the fun dad growing up, had never seen him lose it. He's, like, pacing back and forth, swearing on the Tahoe's lungs, like, just freaking out. Is his main concern, like, oh, fuck, I got to pay for this thing now? Like, it's going to cost a fortune because I've ruined this van. I'm going to own a U-Haul van now. Yes, this was his exact problem. We opened the door and kind of climb up so that we can see the damage. And on the roof, it's a foot.

long hole. Oh, it's a gas. She tore it right open. A piece of metal, either from a pipe or the roof of the garage, had fully grabbed the metal up the top of the van and gouged a hole. So Katie and her dad are immediately rifling through the truck trying to find the insurance policy. I'm kind of looking around being like, I don't know how we're going to get out of here because the exit was on the opposite side of the parking garage. And it was an automated entrance and exit with like one of those arms that goes up and down. No one's working down there. We're looking around and we notice that running through this parking garage are very low-hanging red pipes, even lower somehow than the entrance to the garage. So we're back in our cars trying to get to the

exit, but any route that we take, we run across these red pipes that the van could not have cleared. So once we realized there's no shot, we're getting out the exit, we start. We start. We start. We circle back to the entrance. And we're like, this is the only way for us to get out. So we call up at this point to the front desk and we explain, we have driven our moving van into the garage and we are completely stuck. They are not very helpful. They're like, well, why did you do that? And we're like, yeah, we know. Because we wanted to have some fun. Yeah, exactly. We're like, we fully understand that we messed up. I was like, but at this point, there's no way for us to get out the exit. And they're like, no, no, you can't get out the entrance. It's important.

possible. And I'm like, no, really, if you came down here and you saw the situation, we cannot go out the exit. So I go and I pull a ticket from the other side, but these automated machines, the arm does not get activated just by pulling a ticket. It must be a weight thing of like a car sitting on it that activates it, because me just walking through, it would not activate. It's probably 30 minutes at this point have passed. This whole time, other people have been driving into the garage. So someone comes in and Katie runs up to them and is like, we're trapped. Can you please help us? Like, can you take a ticket and then back up really fast? And we're going to follow you out. So this really nice person did agree. They were like, okay, we get ourselves all situated.

We're facing them. They pull the ticket and they try to back up fast, but it just wasn't fast enough. As soon as the arm sensed them going the opposite direction, it just went back down. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. A lot of time at this point had passed. Is Dad getting more mad or is he calming down? I would say Katie's dad was the most panicked I've ever seen him. I was possibly the clearest thinking person. Okay, congrats. And usually I get really panicked, but he was so panicked that I was like, I have to not be panicking.

Katie at this point runs up to the front desk. And she's like, we need someone to come down and disable this. automation so we can get out. She brings someone down. He kind of stared at the situation and he was like, well, yeah, you shouldn't have driven in here. This garage can only accommodate vehicles under six feet, whatever. And we're like, yeah, we know. We understand this is completely our fault. You're not disputing that. But what are we to do now? This van will be trapped forever if we don't come out the entrance. So I looked at him and I said, sir, please, you see the situation. It's Isn't there any way we can just disable this arm?

Like, there has to be something to do here. And it just stared at me for a second. And then without saying anything, he just walked over and just pushed up the arm manually. It just went up on its own. Yep. Oh. So at that point, I just wanted to cry. Because I was like, well, I could have done that.

I just didn't know I could. And also, why couldn't the front desk stuff just said to do that? This has been an hour of trapped in the garage for no reason. So we all pull out, finally, escape the garage, re-scraping the crop out of the top of the van, of course, as we go. You're not going to like this, but I have to say it. I can't really resist. You should have let the air out of the tires. That's very smart.

Yeah. I only think of that because I air down in the sand dune, so I'm pretty familiar with watching the car gets smaller. But at any rate, yeah. Now I'm the guy at the front desk. Didn't think that, no. We finally get out. We get to the third seller. At this point, we've examined the insurance policy.

Of course, it says it covers damage to the top except from parking garages. Oh. So we clearly were not the first people to damage a U-Haul from a parking garage. At this point, the vibes are bad because we're thinking we'll have to buy this U-Haul van. And then we still, the three of us, are lugging all our stuff up to the apartment. It takes hours because it's just the three of us. And, like, one person's got to watch the stuff while the other people are doing it. It was Halloween weekend.

There's just gaggles of people dressed up and drunk walking on the street, having a great time. I've never been, like, more depressed in my life, just watching that and wishing that's where I was instead. Any horned pig face goblins? Yes. Okay. So Monica's not going to be too intrigued. I'm here now. Hi, Monica.

Hi, sorry. I came in late. There's a lot of construction on the street. Horned pig-faced goblins, though. The lead singer of Guar, that's now her style. Sadly, there were none of us. But we finally get everything in the apartment. He gets up early the next morning, drives all the way back to New York the entire time it poured rain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now the van's a convertible. Yep. So not only was there a huge hole back, also the back was soaked. So he brings it to U-Haul, and he goes inside, and he's like, listen. and here's what happened. The U-Haul employee just looks at him and it's like,

so what you're telling me is that a tree branch fell on the car and created this hole. Oh, that was nice. What a savior. It was like five seconds of silence. And then Gary was like, yep, that's exactly what happened. You're right. It was a tree branch that fell on the roof of the car.

Or a pipe, whatever it looks like. So all in all, we didn't have to pay for it. It was like such relief. Thanks to the really kind person at U-Haul who helped us out. You got to be really grateful that they probably hated working there. They were like, yeah, I don't mind if I stick it to them. How long did you guys stay there? And then how did you get your shit back to New York?

We stayed there for two years. And then we actually, our company got acquired. So we both moved to New York City. That's where the new company was based. And at that time, we were like, no freaking way are we ever moving ourselves ever again. So we paid professionals. And then, of course, we've just been cursed both Katie and I in subsequent moves because that next move, there was a huge windstorm that caused four-hour delays because no trucks could go over the bridges to Manhattan. And we ended up paying like tons of extra money.

The universe is telling you just stay put, I think. Yeah, exactly. Well, Hannah, it's so nice to meet you. It was really nice to meet you. My friend Katie is actually here from the story. Could she come and say hi? I would love to meet dad as well. I wish he were there.

But yes, let's get Katie in here. Hi. Hi, Katie. Do you guys still work together? No, sadly, not anymore. But we both still live in New York City. Oh, fun. We're just up here for a wedding, actually.

So it works out really well. Do you guys eat an Emily burger? Of course. Oh, right. Good for you. You know what you're doing. All right, well, lovely meeting you. It's so nice meeting both of you.

Okay, take care. Hello, Michael. Hi, guys. How are you? We're wonderful. Where are you, Michael? I am in Corsica. I'm actually in a hotel room.

Hopefully you guys can hear me, okay? We can. Corsica is an island off of Spain or Italy? What is it? Close, France, just above Cardinia. Okay. And have you gone before, or is this a first time? I haven't.

So, I turned 50 yesterday. Congrats. Happy birthday. You're celebrating. Thank you. And did a big group join you, or is it just you and your partner? Just me and my partner. Nice, quiet holiday away.

I love it here, so it's been really nice. Okay. You recommend it. I do, 100%. Crystal clear Mediterranean waters, great food, great wine. Lovely. So you have a moving story. I do.

Yeah. So it was 2012. This was my 14th time and 15 years moving. At this point, we were moving from Santa Barbara to L.A. It was finally time for me to actually spend the money to hire movers. I can't find out that you've moved 14 times and 15 years without having an explanation for that. A lot of things, just different job opportunities came up or moving within the same job, going to grad school, moving for my wife's job. There's just a lot of things happening and just going with the flow.

I was very sad to leave Santa Barbara. I'll say that. But the moving day went great. They got there early in the morning. They packed everything for us. They put it in the truck. and I was sitting there saying, I can't believe I haven't done this before, it's so easy. Get in the truck, off to L.A., and we're moving to West Hollywood, and we get to our apartment,

everything's going smoothly, and by about 5 p.m., everything's done. They're completely unloaded. I'm upstairs unpacking already. I happen to be unpacking linens. I remember this very clearly. The screen door was open. I heard a scream, and I was like, oh, that doesn't sound good. I run out to the balcony to check it out, and I lean over.

And I can't really see much, but I can see one of the guys is laying on the ground. One of the movers? One of the movers, yeah. And so his two co-workers are standing over him. And I look a little closer. He's clearly writhing in pain. I can't tell what happened, but there's blood in the ground. So I say, okay, not good.

So I grab a towel, since I'm unpacking the linens, run downstairs to see if I can help. I get outside, and the foreman comes over to me. and just takes the towel and walks back to his mover. And so I'm at a distance. Can't tell yet what has happened, but there's a lot of blood in the ground, and he's clearly been cut pretty badly. So I say, okay, well, there's a hospital

right around the corner from where we live. It's a very big, well-known hospital. I won't say what it was called. Okay, yeah, we can probably guess. He hops in the car with me, and we're on the way to the hospital. The injured man hops in the car with you. Yes, so his name's Jose.

He hops in the car. the car. And can you tell where his injury is at? Yeah. It's in his hand. Now I can clearly tell that his hand is wrapped. But he can talk and stuff. He can talk, but he doesn't really have any English and I don't have any Spanish, but he's clearly in pain, just rocking back and forth, making a lot of noise. We get to a red light and he manages to say, do you think they can put back? And I said, put what back? Oh, no. Oh, no. I had a fear of this. I look over and he lifts the towel up and I just see a bunch of red. I see some white stuff. I don't know what's what. And then he lifts his hand up and his first three fingers are just dangling from

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You're back. and your sanity will thank you. And so they're just hanging, kind of flopping around. Like it's a puppet now. Yes, and I can't even look anymore. I turn. I'm looking the other way out the driver's side window. And I just mumble something like,

it's a very good hospital, you'll be fine. We get there, run into the ER. They take a look at his hand right away. I accompany him to the room, and we're sitting there and sitting there. I'm like, well, this seems kind of weird. It feels pretty urgent to me. Yeah. Sure enough, someone finally comes in, but because this is America, it's not a doctor,

it's someone to see if he has insurance. Oh, boy. I can't speak. I'm trying to translate. I tell her what happened, but it's not really helping much. So she says, okay, and she leaves, and then we're waiting. And we must have waited a good half an hour. The whole time he's rocking back and forth.

He's moaning. So he's in so much pain. and I start to feel like very helpless. So I go outside and talk to a nurse and I say, hey, what's going on? Could we get some help? Feels like a pretty serious injury, at least something for the pain. And she was totally unfazed. She said, yep, a doctor will be in when one's free.

So I go back in, another half hour passes at this point. I really don't know what to do. So I go back outside and I ask again very nicely checking in, can we get someone to come see this man? And she said, I told you before, a doctor will be in when once available. And so then I start to get upset. I start to lose my patience a bit, raise my voice a bit. I said, that's not acceptable. I need to talk to someone.

This man's lost three fingers, at least something for the pain. And I see her kind of wave to someone. And so I look up and a security guard comes over. Oh, my God. The security guard says to me, sir, you need to calm down. And I said, what are you going to do? Take me out of here just because I'm trying to get help for someone in pain. Sure enough, that's what they did.

They did. No. They escort me out of the emergency room. Oh, my God. I'm waiting outside, and now it's been another 10 minutes, and I feel really bad because he's in there by himself. So I go back up. I plead my case to the front desk, and I say, hey, I'm so sorry, can you let me back in?

I just want to be with him. I understand if it takes time. And this is, okay, so the security guard comes over, she talks to him. He's like, if you don't make a scene, you can come back in. Five minutes later, a doctor walks in. First thing he does after looking at his hand says, yes, okay, a nurse comes in, gives him some morphine, and immediately his face just, I can see the relief pour over him. Oh, my God. So now he's in an okay place, and maybe five minutes later, his brother shows up.

Now I don't really know what to do, what kind of value I'm adding. So I decide, okay, this is my time to leave, but I still feel horrible. I'm berating myself, this is my fault. This is what you get when you don't just move yourself. Oh, no. Sure. Some self-flagellation. There's an ATM outside by the gift store,

so I just take as much money as I can out of that and walk back inside. I hand it to his brother and I leave. I just felt so awful for this guy because he's not going to be able to work. He doesn't have a hand. Probably doesn't have insurance. So I called the moving company maybe two weeks later

to see how he's doing, and he's okay. He's recovering at home, but that's all they know. The happy ending to this story, I will say, though, is that two years later, We're moving again, of course. Of course. Moving to New York City this time. And I called the same moving company because aside from that, I had a great experience.

Who shows up? No. But Jose. No way. That's so sweet. Gives me a big hug. Shows me his hand. Lots of scars, but fully functional.

Wow. Wow. This is kind of a meat cue in a way. Did he get his hand in the lift gate of the truck? Yes, I should have said what happened, but you're exactly right. Yeah, yeah. That's the most obvious. Well, the lift gate is hydraulic and they roll the stuff out and then lower it.

Well, once they're done with that, they've got to flip it back up. And in the flipping it back up process, you could snip your fingers off. I guess he wasn't paying attention when his colleague was doing that. And that's exactly what happened. Oh, my God. So is his fault, Monica. No. I'm teasing.

I'm teasing. Oh, it's so cute. Fuck, well, I'm so happy. He kept his hands. I mean, I wonder how long your fingers can be dangling off your body without blood before. I feel like it's not a long time. That's why it's shocking they didn't get in there fast. Well, clearly we know an hour and a half, minimally.

You can get away with that. Kudos to the hospital for doing an amazing job on that part of it. Once you get the service, it's top, top, top, not service. If you can get it, it's great. Wow. I'm disappointed in that hospital. I like that hospital. That's a bummer.

That was a bummer. I don't know if that's more about the hospital. hospital or just the state of American health care. We could give the most generous benefit of the doubt analysis, which is perhaps he was the only doctor and he was busy doing something else quite critical. But a nurse could come in and give them more. That should have happened. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what stupid is if you had called an ambulance, first thing they would have done is give a morphine. And then he would at least been doped up for the whole ride. Yeah. In hindsight, that would have been better. It just felt like it was so close. Yeah.

And it's expensive. You should have scored some dope around the corner. There's a couple of places you could have picked up. Some painkillers. Especially back then, it was a little sketchy. Well, you did a great thing. You're a nice person. The fact that you took it all on yourself and didn't make the form and handle it,

brush them there in a moving truck. I'm just glad I had a happy ending. Well, Michael, it's lovely meeting you. I'm so glad you took time on this fun 50th birthday party trip to talk to us. It's great to talk to you guys. I was psyched to get that email. Can I bring in my partner? She said, day one.

Would love to meet her. Her name is Elizabeth. I'm just going to give her my head. Yeah, great. Hi, Elizabeth. Oh my gosh. What a great addition to our vacation right now. Oh, good. I didn't know if it's a big inconvenience or if it's fun. If I could just give a quick shout out to my daughters, Ella and Hannah, because we listen to you guys all the time. We listen to Anonymous constantly in the car.

They're 11 and 13. Oh, I love it. Crack up along with us. They're like the best age. So I just want to make sure we actually say their name. Okay, wonderful. Shout out to them. All right. Well, have fun, you guys. Thanks for taking the time. Thank you. All right. Bye. Bye, nice, guys. Oh, my God. We're going to talk to Carly with a K. I don't know if I've ever spoken to a Carly with a K. Hello, Carly with a K. Hi. Have you met any other Carleys with a K? I don't think so, but there's many ways to spell it. Yes. And have you ever inquired to your parents why they chose that? I did. And I think they just preferred the K. Okay. Do they own a crispy cream? Are you in the South? We're actually in Canada.

Oh. I don't think there's even any in my province. Okay. Yeah, you're kind of the opposite of the South if you're up in Canada. Does my accent say South? Not yet. You haven't said a boot, but it'll come out. I don't think we've ever gotten through a Canadian conversation without a boot coming out at some point. Fair enough. And where are you? I'm in Central Canada and I'm in Saskatchewan, but that's as far as I'm going to tell you. Okay, great. I like that. I like that. I like a mystery. Then I, do want me to cut out Carly with a K? Is that too revealing? No, my name is fine. I'm going to change a couple details. Okay, great. I like that. That's very promising. So tell us, you have a moving story. I do. Okay. This was a little over a decade.

ago, and I was in college. My now husband and I were engaged, both college students, living in a small one-bedroom condo just near campus. At the time, I was in a two-year tech college, so it was quite small. Classes were, I'd say maybe 30 people in the class. The reason this is relevant is because one day, the instructor of my class, the department head of my program, and a man walk into the classroom, And this guy, we're going to call him Kim. He introduces himself as a practicing lawyer and that he would be our law instructor for the next semester. He kind of like goes on to tell us that before becoming a lawyer, he actually took this

same program and that his heart was really in this program and that he loved everything about it and proceeds to tell us that he's going through a divorce. And he has this big, beautiful home with multiple bedrooms. and that he wanted to rent out the home for a little while before selling it. He wanted to kind of give back to this program by offering it to the students of the program really inexpensively. That way we could all kind of live together. I know that sounds kind of off, but it did feel safe in the sense that the department head was

there, our instructors were there. Everybody knew each other very intimately. It didn't feel strange. And there's strength in numbers. You'll be with classmates in theory. Yeah, and my soon-to-be husband as well. He's like, this is a great opportunity for you, kind of let me help you, you help me kind of thing. So about a month later, I got out of my lease for the condo and my husband and I pack up everything we own and we move into this house.

And at the time, it was just myself, my fiancé, and then my childhood best friend actually moved in with us. And was Kim still there? Kim is not there. It's a completely empty, beautiful home, no red flags. We spend all day moving in. There's no hiccups or anything. I would say we started around noon, and then evening-ish, probably about seven or eight, we send most of our help home. We send the trucks home that are there. My husband goes to kind of clean up things at the old place. So I am then sitting in the home by myself kind of amongst all these boxes. And there is a big knock at the door.

And I go and I open it. And there is this tall woman standing there who is red-faced, angry, very, very shook. And she goes, who the fuck are you and what the fuck are you doing in my house? Oh, no. The wife. Was the house totally empty? Totally empty. Not a single thing in it.

And I was like, hi, I'm Carly. I'm renting from Kim. She goes, I'm Kim. And this is my house. And you need to get the fuck out. Wait, what? Identity from? This is going in a different direction and I love it.

Turns out that was the ex-wife. They had the exact same name. Oh. Okay. I had no idea. So she is who she says she is. He says who he says he is. Okay, that's good.

All right. That's good. Yeah, just a little bit of confusion there. And I'm like, holy crap, what am I supposed to do? So I've called my parents. I've called my husband. I've called lawyer Kim. I have my husband come back.

I have my mom come back. This woman is standing outside and she is shaking. She's so angry. All of the neighbors have come out and are kind of like surrounding her. Oh, boy. They're basically corroborating her story that this is her house. It's a really messy divorce. they mentioned to us that he actually lied to her about how old he was before they got married

and said he was about 10 years younger than he actually was, that this was probably the third divorce, and just kind of like, get the hell out right now kind of thing. Cops were called. So I'm on the phone with Kim, and Kim says that he is on the way to the lake. He doesn't have enough keys for us, so he has to go get spare keys. This is a few hours away. He's not going to be able to be there. but to not worry because he knows the law, the cops don't know anything, and I want you to tell the cops that everything's going to be fine, and actually you can just tell them that I'll be living in the basement with my teenage son, and you guys are actually just going to be my roommates.

What? How does that make it better also? I don't know if it's because then he's the owner in the home, and then he goes, well, okay, what time did you move in? And I was like, I think around noon. He goes, great, I want you to stay until noon tomorrow. And then I'll come and we'll figure it all out. I'm like, well, the cops are here. And he's like, I don't care.

It turns out he wanted us to stay for about 24 hours to get some sort of like squatters right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the legalities of that, but he wanted us to stay put. And we were like, well, we need to get the hell out of here. I don't want to be in between whatever you guys have going on. But we have nowhere to go. Oh, my God. So this is now about 10 o'clock at night.

It's about November, so it's dark outside. No snow yet, but cold. I call my parents, and they're the heroes of this story. They unloaded their quads out of their quad trailer, cleaned it all out, and we moved our entire house into this quad trailer. And literally packed up and left a few hours later. Wow. We ultimately went and moved in with them for a little while

until we could save up for our first home. So they saved the day. Whoa. So that was his game plan from the very first speech. Honestly, this is preferred to what I thought was going on. My fear was he had rigged the house up with cameras. Oh, yeah. I thought this was going to be a perverse situation.

I have a little more to tell you. Oh, wonderful. It's not going quite that direction. But the next couple of days, I go to my school, my department head, and explain everything that's gone on, how inappropriate. They're very understanding and say, like, he won't be rehired. And I think, great, it's handled. I get a message back a few days later and they say, you know what, it's November.

he's supposed to be your instructor in January. We can't replace him in time. So he's going to be your law instructor for the next four months. And then we will fire him after that. So I had to take his law class for the next four months. And I didn't learn a single thing about law from him. But he did constantly tell us that even if we didn't like him, if we ever were in trouble, that he would be the first person we would call. And truly, if I ever needed a really scummy lawyer that would do anything to get you But it's something I think he'd probably be my first call. Yeah. Wow.

What kind of grade did he give you? Mid-80s. But I don't think I turned in work. I existed. He existed. There was no conversation past that. He should have given you an A just for having dealt with that. Yeah, I was nervous he was going to be punitive.

You ratted him out. He's getting fired. I'm going to flunk you. I mean, the guy's already shown he doesn't have a tremendous amount of morals. No. And I actually called my mom to find out what her end of the story was. And she said that a few years after this, she got a phone call for a girlfriend who had used him as a divorce lawyer, and she didn't have much for cash and was

worried about the price of things. And he was like, you know, you can just come with me to this party. There it is. Yeah. So I think pretty low branch. Oh, boy. I'm comforted a little bit that you have those folks up in Canada, too. I mean, I guess I think that kind of things a diamond dozen down here, but I am somewhat relieved that it's universal. You know, I decided to Google him before this just to kind of see his reviews, there's one that says, we bought a house from this person, we lived in it for a few months in the middle of winter,

he called us and said that we had to move out because the house had too many liens on it. Oh, boy. I'm pretty sure that's like your whole job. Yeah. Another one says, if you want theft, corruption, perjury, document falsification, law violations,

abuse, extortion, you've come to the right lawyer. I'm surprised he hasn't been disbarred. So squatters rides only take 24 hours. That is crazy. That's terrifying. What if you had a friend spent the night? And they're just like, no, I live here now. I've been here 24 hours.

I know. Yeah, I don't know what he was going for, how that all works. I didn't learn anything in law, so. Yeah, wow. Oh, man. Thank God that your parents had the toy trailer. It worked out super well. And the sim was definitely simming with all of this because I actually hadn't even thought

about this man in like well over a decade. I exchanged services with an esthetician every few weeks, and she had moved into a new facility, and I went to go visit her. And her and I listened to Armchair through these appointments. That's like our thing. We always book them on Fridays to try to listen. Oh, fun. I walked into her new building, and his law office was across the hall. What?

Oh, my God. That is, what? No. My heart sank. I haven't seen him yet, and I pray I don't. So I actually heard the prompt in her office across the hall and wrote. my story in outside of his office. No, you're right.

That's impossible. That's impossible. Is it on speaker? Like, when you listen to this one, he might hear it. Oh, let's hope. You guys should put speakers in the hallway. I kind of hope so. But now when I walk by, I like to like snub him a little bit.

Sure, sure. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Oh, Carly, what a bizarre story. I loved it. Thank you. Yeah. That was great.

Thanks for sharing. Lots of twists and turns. Thank you so much. All right. Bye, Carly. Have a good day, guys. Bye. Here's Steph Curry.

Maybe, yeah. Oh, let's see. Yes, Steph Curry. Hi, Steph. Hi. How are you? I'm well, so, so nervous. You have the cutest haircut.

I love it. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Where are you? Physically, I'm in Silicon Valley right now. I live in San Francisco close by. And that, I guess, opens up my story for you about the move from Toronto to San Francisco. I was born and raised in Toronto, had only ever lived in Toronto.

It was a dream of mine and my husbands to move abroad, have an adventure. And we were lucky enough to get an opportunity with my work to be internationally relocated to California. We'd never been to California before, so kind of an interesting thing to just move somewhere you've never visited. Better weather, no Toronto winters sounded good. It was 2021, so it's still kind of pandemic-y. And so part of this like international relocation package that I got with work was that they would take care of everything, which is really great. So we had a team that came to our apartment in Toronto and they packed up everything we owned really carefully and meticulously and loaded the truck for us. And we had some lawyers help us put together all the paperwork that's required because,

that's very complex. Also, that's a fucking hell of a drive. That's got to be like 3,000 miles. You would know better than me, probably, yeah. Well, Detroit's like 2,400 or 2,600, and then Toronto. Yeah, so that's a lot. So the company was going to drive it to our new place in San Francisco. We just had to fly over. We've given notice at our apartment. We sold our cars. Everything we own is on this truck. We're like ready to move. And the first hurdle we have to overcome is the airport experience. So interesting to note the way that you apply for a work visa to go from Canada to the U.S. is you have to apply for the visa at the airport on the day that you're leaving. That sounds very dicey. Yes. Because if you get denied, you've given up your whole life. And I asked

multiple times, be like, can I not go to an embassy before and do this application in advance to know that I'm approved to move? They said, no, you have to do it at the airport the day that you're flying to San Francisco to move. What? It's wild. I don't understand. why it works that way. It's a very emotional experience. It's very stressful. Just making sure all of this is good. You know, they've backfilled my previous job. I've got this new job to look forward to. We've put down, you know, three months of security deposit on our new apartment in San Francisco that we've never seen before. Three months of security deposit in San Francisco is probably a year's worth of rent in Toronto. Yes. It's so expensive there. So there's so much on the line.

We get to the airport about six hours early so that we have enough time to do this. whole visa application process. But before you can get to the U.S. customs agents that are there that approve or deny you, you go through security. And so we've got two cats that we have to move with us. This is another thing I'm really stressed about. One of the cats is elderly and she's docile and fine. And then the younger cat is part feral. He's an outdoor cat. We didn't choose to adopt him. He just showed up one day. And we were slowly integrating him into our family. but he's missing a chunk of his ear. He's, like, really rambunctious.

He scratches a lot. So I'm trying to figure out how to get this cat through security. You have way too much on your plate. I just got to say it. He can't go through with the carrier. You have to have the cat separate and then the carrier goes through the X-ray machine.

Oh, there's a bad idea. This is a very bad idea. There's a lot of bad ideas at the airport. Yes. So I'm pre-planning how to make this happen. So I've brought this, like, mesh laundry basket to, like, put the cat into so the carrier can go through

and then we, like, have to, like, switch the cat back and forth. I put an air tag on him so that if he runs away in the airport, like maybe we can find him. Who knows what's going to happen? Oh, my God. My nightmare to have a feral cat running loose in the airport. It's like a Disney movie.

Yeah, that's true. An adventure. I didn't know this was going to happen, but they have this private room by security for these situations. So that was great. I didn't need to use the laundry basket. I think we ditched it somewhere along the way at the airport. So we go into the private room,

let the cat out into the room. He's running around going crazy. They take the carrier out to scan the carrier. They bring it back. It's fine. We're good to go. I have to get him back in the carrier, which is really difficult. It scratches the hell out of my arms.

Oh. At least he's not lost. Yeah, yeah. So we've made it through security with the cats. I'm like very relieved. I've been super worried about this leading up to this day. And then we get to the customs area. And so we go up to the agent and we,

give them the paperwork. It's like three inches of paper in this folder that we got from the lawyers that they have to look through. And then they're going to determine whether we're approved or not. So we wait in the waiting area for an hour and a half with these two cats that are like yowling. And you're not allowed to use your cell phones here. You just have to sit really patiently and quietly. And we're watching the agents flip through the pages very slowly, but they're not even looking at them. They're just chatting with each other about how their weekend was. They have some snacks at the area. I guess they flipped to the last one.

Don't know how much they've read, but they call us up and they say, okay, you're approved. Go on in. Oh, okay. We're past security. We're approved. Our visas are good. I'm like ecstatic. I think we go get a celebratory drink.

I think they just looked at you and they were like, they're white. So let's just go through this. I mean, probably. Let's pretend like we're looking at this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they're white. Privilege is definitely working in our favor in this scenario. So we get to San Francisco. It's like 11 p.m.

at this point. Get to the car rental place, pick up our car. I am so grateful that neither cat has had an accident by this point because we're 11 hours in to them being in carriers. Oh, yeah. No one's peed. No one's done anything because I was like braced for having to clean up cat pee on a plane. Do you give them like weed gummies or anything to get them to chill on the flight? Yes. And we did give some to the feral cat, but it wears off pretty quickly. And then they get more scared because now they're no longer on drugs, but they're on the plane. Should they're coming off a drug. Did it ever, like, jump up and down in the crate and cause of havoc? Yes, the whole time. So my husband's behind with the Farrell line. He's going nuts for, like, the whole flight. He's losing his mind. He's sitting next to. Oh, my God.

I've got the elderly cat, and she's chill. She, like, pokes her little head out once in a while. She's looking around. We can't sit next to each other because they don't allow animals to be next to each other on a flight. We're picking up this rental car. It's taking forever to get the car. We're going to stay in a hotel while our goods are being. driven across the continent. And then when they arrive, we can move into the apartment we've secured.

So we're at the hotel. It's taking forever to check into the hotel. And the first thing I need to do is create a litter box for the cats because they have been holding it for so long. So I had packed in my checked luggage, a whole bunch of litter and a box. So I opened it up to like set this up and they had gone through my luggage, I guess, checking things. And maybe the litter was a flag. They're like, what the heck is in this person's bag? And so they had broken the bag of litter that I had, and it was all of my luggage. Well, now you can just use your suitcases as the box, the litter box. True, but it's also everything that I have to live off of for the next four weeks.

You guys really took it on. And I hope you like California. Animal parents are really sad. Yeah, they're good folks. We do a lot for these cats. So we set up the litter box. I deal with my luggage at some point later, and all of my belongings covered. in this litter. And then we're kind of clocking that this hotel is not great. It's a pet-friendly

hotel. So it has a stink to it. It's kind of grungy. And we're like, oh, my God, are we going to be able to live here for the next like four weeks? Oh, that long. Oh, my God. We're trying to make the most of it, but this place is not good. One night, we're sleeping. And it's like three in the morning. And I hear a noise and I feel something. I wake up. And the elderly cat is in the middle of our bed, just peeing in between my husband and I. Because you have so much letter on your pajamas from them. I didn't even consider that. It's all in the sheets.

We call down to the front desk. We let them know what's happened. And they say, okay, bring the laundry down. We'll give you some new sheets. But you have to clean this up and deal with it. My husband takes the sheets down. They take him into the backstaff area. He has to put them into the commercial washing machine because they refuse to touch it.

Fine. A little weird. And then we get the new sheets. And then it's up to us. to clean and make our bed. So I'm already like, what has previously happened on this mattress that other people did or did not clean? We flip it and put the new sheets on. So at this point, I'm like, we can't stay here. The cats are unhappy. It's too small of a space for them. So I call my boss and I let her know what's going on. And she's like, okay, I get it. We'll help you out. So they order

rental furniture for us and they put it into the apartment that we've secured. Oh, great. Yeah. Perfect. So we're so happy. We do that for a few weeks. And then it's the day that our stuff is supposed to come. The rental furniture company comes in the morning to take all of the furniture out right before the delivery company comes with all of our own belongings. The company that's going to move us in is supposed to unpack the truck, unpack every single box, put everything away for us, rebuild our furniture that they disassembled in Toronto. The whole nine yards is done in this one day. And they're supposed to come at like 9 a.m.

I'm so excited. Like I can't just wait to be situated and be in my home and like have my own bed sheets and all the things that I've missed. I've been through the most stressful time of my life. Like, international move. I'm starting a new job. I'm like meeting all these new people. It's still the pandemic kind of.

Getting pissed on at nine. Yeah, this is a lot. They're supposed to come at nine. They don't show up at nine. It's 10. It's 11. They come just before lunchtime. And I'm like, already, you're not going to get this work done.

Like you have so much to do in a single day. You're three hours late. And then these two guys get out of the truck. And I'm like, oh my gosh, there's only two people. Like, how do you think this is going to work? We also have in San Francisco a lot of hills and stairs up to apartments. So we have these, like, massive flight of stairs to get to our front door. Just doing that alone, bringing the stuff up these stairs is going to kill these guys.

I just have to trust the process. So they've been hired to do this job. They understand the scope. They got to do it. So there's like this younger guy and this older guy. And the older guy kind of seems like he's in charge, but it's not super clear. And my husband and I clock that his fingers are super dirty. Like it looks like he's been working on his truck.

in some capacity, black and greasy. So they start to unload and I'm like, do you guys have enough help to like get this done? They're like, oh, someone else is coming to help us. There's a third guy who's coming. He shows up, I guess, mid-afternoon. They're going on it, but there's no process here. There's like no one set to do certain jobs, no game plan at all. It's like they've never moved anyone ever before.

Like they're randomly doing a couple of boxes, half unpacking something. Nothing's going into the proper room. No furniture rebuilding is being done. So like, where are you going to put all the items that you're, unpacking without the furniture in place. So my husband says to the older guy, like, hey, maybe could you start building the bed? We need a place to sleep tonight. And he's like, okay, yep, has a really hard time with it.

A whole bunch of aesthetic damages done. There's like a big scratch across the headboard, like the screws are stripped. Somehow he puts it together. I don't know how stable it's going to be. And then he tries to do the wardrobe, totally destroys the wardrobe. Unusible. Oh, my God. Absolute garbage.

And then also I'm noticing that these black sticky fingerprints are on every single item that we own. My bed frame is covered in these black fingerprints. And I noticed the other two guys, the younger guys, also have these like black fingerprints on everything. I guess there's like some newspaper that's been used to pack things, but no one's washing their hands. They're just like touching everything. And I think I cleaned off all my items for the following weeks. Like I would find them on stuff. It's really stressing me out.

And then I go to the washroom. and I noticed there's urine all across the toilet seat. I'm like, well, that's pretty gross, but okay. Could have been your cat. She's got a bad track record. But I look over it, and not only is it on the toilet seat, there's a full puddle on the floor next to the toilet of urine. Okay, so it was the older guy.

That's a very older guy move. It is. Maybe that one was the cat at least on the floor. Yeah, there's piss everywhere. So I clean it up. I don't want to address it with them in the middle of this workday. That feels awkward. So I'm silently angry that.

now someone has peed on my floor. We keep going. And then I'm in the kitchen. My husband's in the kitchen. People are in the kitchen. I hear a clicking noise. And I'm like, don't know what that is. And then I turn around.

And my husband is running from the stove to the sink with something that's on fire. Oh. I quickly realized that they have laid out the inventory paperwork on top of the gas stove. Which has pilot lights lit. Uh-huh. And so someone leaned on the hob in front of the stove. and lit the paperwork on fire. And so my husband's put it out,

but now there's also melted plastic all over our stove because it was in plastic sheeting. Oh, geez. I'm like, this is wild. So my husband says to the older guy, like, hey, your friend here just lit the paperwork on fire. And the older guy doesn't care. He's like, oh, yeah, right.

And walks away. You can see the smoke in here. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, right? So I've had enough. I'm like freaking out. I call my boss. I'm like, I can't do this.

I don't know what to do. All of these things are going wrong. I can't handle this. And she's like, just tell them to leave stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, we'll figure something else out. We'll get another team in there to, like, help you with all the things.

Like, just tell them to leave. I try to find a way to say this, but I'm so emotional. You're so Canadian. I want to be polite, but I'm so at a time. I'm so stressed. I want to cry and stream at the same time. I'm like, it's too much. So eventually I'd find the words to be like, okay, you guys need to go.

And they don't understand why I'm asking this. Just look at me like, I'm crazy. Like, but we're not done yet. Yeah. Please just take everything out of the boxes. I want you to remove all the cardboard boxes because I don't want to deal with that. And then just go. We got it from here.

That's it. So they just start dumping everything out of the boxes onto the floor and take all the cardboard boxes. This takes them a couple more hours. Oh, my God. This is as bad as it can go. How much was this service? Yeah, yeah. It's probably a fortune.

So expensive. Drive across the continent. Oh, my God. It's dark when they finally leave and our stuff is just in piles on the floor surrounding us. And my husband didn't have a work permit. So he had a little bit of time in the coming days to, like, build the furniture and put all the items back and everything. But it was a wild and stressful experience. Was there any refunding that happened?

This is a good question. Yes, I was able to tell my company what they had damaged. Like, my wardrobe was broken. They bought us a new one and charged it back to the moving company. Is this Google? This is a good company. Yeah, yeah, she's in Silicon Valley. Yeah, you're in that area. I like this. You deserve that. I actually don't work in tech. I work in retail. And it's very unique that I got an offer like this. Oh, cool. Well, good. I think you deserve it. I was thinking seven different times I would love to hire you. You're so meticulous and so forward thinking and so prepared. You have high standards.

You're not like those movers. I appreciate that. I think my husband would agree with those sentiments. I'm a meticulous person. Wow. Now, the way I sometimes get through situations similar to that one is I have to go, well, fuck, I don't want that job. I mean, that's the only way I can kind of get through when I'm seeing abject incompetence and a lack of giving a fuck. I kind of go like, yeah, if I was changing oil here too, I might feel the same way.

When you paid, it's hard. Yeah, but someone got the $15,000 and these guys got $200. Yeah, that's true. What a delight staff. Do you like California? It's been an experience of a lifetime. It's so interesting here. It's beautiful.

It's very different than Toronto. It has made me appreciate Toronto in a lot of ways that I was taking for granted while I lived there. But San Francisco is amazing. I have incredible friends there. If I can shout out Peach, Adrian, Katie, and my podcast club, they are wonderful people. You're in a podcast club. Yes, it's like a book club, but it's based on a podcast. And it was a health and wellness podcast, but a bunch of us are armcherrys.

And so it has slowly turned into a lot of talk about our chairs. We are so flattered to have infiltrated a health and wellness podcast club. Yeah. Well, delightful meeting you, Steph. We're thrilled to have you here. It's been amazing to meet you both. Thank you so much. All right.

Bye. That visa thing is kind of. Well, I will say in our defense, I've had. to do that to go to Canada to work. And it's very similar. They let you land there, but you can't leave the airport. And so the day I went there to work on a movie, it was also the day all the visa students were arriving from around the world.

And it was absolutely nuts. I was there for like a day trying to get this fucking work permit. And at one point it's like, I'm just going to say I'm not working. Why is so easy? I'm just going to go in. Yeah, I'm here to fucking sightsee. Yeah, exactly. deal with it. Oh, poor Steph.

Poor Steph. I mean, look, I respect it so much, but, man, just let that feral cat just be feral in the world. It's fun. We're having comparable thoughts. Mine is like, just buy new shit when you get there. The fucking moving costs. I'm sure that was at least 15 grand. Just go buy some furniture. I know, but also like, but your special things. Yeah. I mean, FedEx those. All right. Love you. I love you.

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