Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Dominic Fike

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Dominic Fike (Euphoria, Rocket, What Could Possibly Go Wrong) is a singer, musician, and actor. Dominic joins the Armchair Expert to discuss growing up around high-functioning relationships in Florida, how being raised by addicts factors into having a big heart, and wanting to cry when he thinks about the points of departure he’s found with his family. Dominic and Dax talk about having that friend in his head that never lets him be different, how somatic therapy has helped him give form and a voice to his shadow, and starting to make his own music under house arrest. Dominic explains signing a multi-million dollar record deal while incarcerated, what it was like recording with Justin Bieber, and why when you go to treatment everyone gives you the grace to change at the same time.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and add free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Modest Mouse. Hi. Oh, Modis Mouse.

Ding, ding, ding. You went with Rob. Rob and I went and saw him. Today we have just one of the most adorable boys out there. Out there. Oh, Dominic. Fike. We both fell in love with him on Euphoria. That's right. He's a musician, a producer, and an actor. He was just impossibly good on Euphoria for having never done it. And we get

into it. There, you know, there was some stuff going on. Sure, he was, he was juggling some things. Yeah. And he has a couple different albums out. What could possibly go wrong? Sunburn and a new mixtape out now called Rocket. I love his music. Wild childhood story, as you were about to Oh, man. Buckle up. Buckle up. Please enjoy Dominic Fike. Good Leaf Microgreens. Where do I even start? I'm Chef Andy Hay from Andy's East Coast Kitchen, and I'm telling you, these tiny greens are a salad game changer. Grown in vertical farms, pesticide-free, year-round in Canada, good leaf microgreens are bursting with flavor and up to 166 times the nutrient density of full-grown vegetables.

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Nice to meet you. Pleasure. Monica, I'm dumb. Thanks for coming. Yeah, no problem. Mind if I sit here. That's your spot. I've seen you sit here.

We're going to insist you sit there. I have seen you sit there. Yes, if we're checking facts, I sit there. In an interview, I sit here. So we move around. Oh, facts. Yeah, I did see. Okay.

You're as cute in person as you are on television. You don't always know what you're going to get. What do you mean? You see people on television. They're super cute. You meet them. person, you're like, they're not as cute. Personality-wise?

You know, I don't know. There's some magic with a lens. I'll meet other people and be like, wow, in real life, that person's unbelievably attractive. It can go, yes. It often, to me, goes the other way. People are more attractive than person, I think. We're more attractive than person because we don't like how we look on camera. Yeah.

You and I. Yeah. When people meet you, do they say one way or another? Because that's a common thing for people to say, oh, you're so much cuter in real life or you're taller. I see Instagram comments about people thinking. like I don't shower. Apparently I look like I smell bad. You read dirty. Yeah, I read dirty. Yeah. That's what people say. Okay, well, we can confirm you don't smell. Thanks. We can tell the world.

You don't smell. That'll be the first myth we dispel today. That's right. What do you talk that up to? Do you think it's your wardrobe? I take a long time to shower. I spend time, showering. I'm a single man. Sure. Then, yeah, you really got to get in there. There's no one waiting for the shower or waiting for me. Oh, that's your point about being single. I was thinking more like you're on the, market you got to put your best foot forward yeah yeah yeah I don't know I don't think that women like it when I try to get all primped out you know I think they prefer me more dirty interesting I'm not shocked by that you have a mysterious vibe and so hyper I got a mysterious vibe I think so well let's put it this way I'm a child of divorce all of my friends their parents

were divorced like are all your friends the parents are divorced for the most part no man no no I grew up with a lot of people who had healthy admirer parents who were all in high functioning relationships, because a lot of rich people where I grew up, Naples, Florida. Sure. So they were like model families. I feel like the model families kind of changed. But for that point in time, when everybody was really trying to fit into that box and that middle class thing was like dying out, that is what I experienced from my friend's parents. I think maybe that's a testament to your self-esteem or not or your own security, because I felt judged by other people.

I needed to know everyone else was dealing with some shit or I got insecure in those situations. Like, oh, this family thinks I'm trash. You didn't have any of that? Yeah, I had that. But I was also trash. I was like, yeah. And you were owning it. This family's got a good read on me.

It was cool, though, because the division between middle class and rich people and poor people, it wasn't so thick and palpable. It felt like you could slip into any one of those sections because I would hang out with a lot of people from in my city, they call it in town. Okay. A lot of people would call it Browntown. Because minorities lived here. So I grew up there, and I had a lot of rich white friends because I like to skateboard. And I like Blinquin 82 and Sargent Peppers and shit. Sure, sure, sure.

But also, like, whatever, slimmed up. And they had swimming pools and it's hot out. Exactly. You need some friends with some swimming pools. And a lot of snacks. I know this game. You got to go somewhere after school to eat. Of course.

Who's got the microwave pizza? Yeah. We all hung out, you know? There wasn't like a hard demarcation. Yeah. That's good. There wasn't like soches and. Soches, like from the outsiders.

That's right. Soches and greasers. Because I feel like my school was pretty. hierarchical. It was in socioeconomically, especially in junior high. Where'd you go out? Detroit area. Okay. Motor City. That's right, sir. When'd you leave there? 95. That's when I was born. I know that. We have a lot of weird things. So you're about to turn 30. Gross. December 30th, right? I can't say that here. We're both much older than you. So you don't get to say that here. But I was doing all this math. I was like, oh, I basically got sober exactly right now for your life. lifespan, because I got sober in September, and I turned 33 days after you, January 2nd.

So I've been messing with, it's like a team of people called the Malone Collective. Is it a cult? It's kind of a cult. Okay, great. And the way that they... I'm in a cult, too. I don't know, I already know. They help you with sobriety in whatever way you see fit for yourself.

So you can go there do acupuncture, craniosacral. You can do somatic therapy. What's somatic therapy? A somatic therapy deals with your nervous system. So it's the language of your nervous system. So whatever you can do to quell, those waves that reach. your window of capacity, you can like quell that signal that like disregulates you. Yeah, absolutely. So it's super helpful. It's super hard. And are you allowed in that program?

What I think is cool about SLA, sex and love addiction, if I understand it correctly, because I'm not a member, but my understanding of it is you create your own definition of sobriety. So you have, I think it's called a ring. And it's like, I cannot go to sex workers. I can jack off as much as I want. You know, whatever your thing is. You create your own rules. That's a dangerous game. It is your own rules. Well, yeah. But I think it makes. sense because for some people it's not an issue for they're not addicted to pornography they're not this but they are that yes sex is so ambiguous yeah that you kind of have to create rules like an eating disorder some people are like so they can't masturbate but that's not for everyone right right

right so does this cult and i'm one myself say it with a lot of respect do you get to define your own definition of sobriety you get to define your schedule i think that we all have a mutual understanding of what sobriety kind of looks like well it's getting different i'd say We're in a different era than we were in the 90s for sobriety, where there are tons of people that are now sober that smoke wheat. Or they would say they're sober. It's Cali Sober. Yeah, Cali Sober. Some people do ayahuasca, but they're dead sober.

I think it's gotten more. Ayahuasca's intense, dude. Nuisance, right? Yes, I've not done it. Have you done it? You have. And did you lean anything from it? Was it a breakthrough at all in any way?

It's like all psychedelics. For me, it's like opening a map. You kind of check where you're at. You have this big. It's like zooming out. You take that like 30,000 foot perspective on acid. It's funny because you're like, okay, I got it. And then you're like, we're good, right? And the dude's like, no, there's six hours. But I got it though right now. And then you get tired of it. And then by the end of that six hours, you don't even care about the message. You're like, I just want to get

back to PlayStation and cigarettes. Maybe that's the message. That is. I decided recently, it's all great. Cocaine's awesome. Sobriety's awesome. I don't want to go on this like Kanye thing where he's like, I fucking love everything. But like, I do. I do. Like, I do. Like, it's fine. As long as you can handle it. My brother, I just put him in this place called Cirque Lodge. Oh, yeah. I've sent people there. I've been there, too. It's great. I love him there. But I sent him there. And he's back now. And he's looking at me. Because for a while, I was just very loose with my definition of it. And I'm still kind of to stay, like, figuring it out. Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea. I think it can evolve. Sometimes you evolve past where you're supposed to go. And it knocks you back. And I think I'm finally at the point where, like, you know, when you fucking stretch out a rubber band. And it's like, mm-hmm. Yeah.

I'm, like, right here. Right. So vibrating, but not. Yeah, but not. Skeddywampus. Yeah. No, yeah. So Alex, my brother, I just put him in there and he's back because he keeps looking

to me like, how do I do this? What do I do? So this was my thing why I'm glad I didn't grow up with a dad because I didn't have that dude to be like, what the fuck's going on? I've been that to him and recently I kind of shut the phone on him. Let me just see if he figures it out because he'll text me in the middle of the night, like, you know, I need to buy a crib right now. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, actually, shut the fuck up and like, listen to your body. And then we'll see where you're at. And he hit me, he's like, I kind of want a beer today. I'm like, okay, cool. Thank you for calling me. Yeah. Why you want a beer? He's like, you know, just go out to dinner like a gentleman.

Yeah, it's a great illusion. Yeah, yeah. Just do it like a gentleman. Being like a sexy drinking gentleman is so whack. Sipping wine. Yeah, but some people just can't do it. I know, but it's this great illusion in the program, which is like almost everyone has the same fantasy.

Like, why can't I have a glass of wine and read a book? And it's like, hey, I never wanted to be the dude drinking a fucking glass of wine reading a book. I want to be jumping off the second floor into the pool. Facts. So it's like you're already pretending you have this fantasy that you don't even have just because it's a version that you think you can do. For sure. And you see people do it and I guess it looks fun, but it doesn't really.

I'm all for what anybody wants to do. If they're suffering, I hope they'll figure out a way to not be suffering. Do you feel responsible for him now that he's out in the world and he is calling you? That's intense. So I got a crazy situation with my family. When I got out of jail, I went into jail pretty homeless. I got a record deal while I was in jail. We're fast-fority way too far.

I know. Well, we'll hit it all. Okay. No, my bad here. No, you're good. You're good. I'm just thinking about the responsibility of a brother that just came out of. Yeah, let's start at the beginning. How old are mom and dad when they get divorced?

I don't know that they were ever married. I didn't mean them. How old were you when they separated? Oh, for as long as I can remember. Like, maybe two. Okay, I was three. We're on a very similar. We are on a similar.

We are on a similar. We both hit the step. They had lottery, it sounds like. Oh, that's bad foreshadowed. When I interviewed. I'm like, oh, I love my stepdad. I'm like, congratulations, man. It's kind of hard to get a great one.

Super hard, yeah. In my experience. It's crazy. I've had so many. How many? Too many. Just called my mom out. Yeah.

Your mom's rad, though. I can tell she can take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From your earliest memory, they're not together. Yeah. Did he have children before? He met your mom? He told me that he did.

Because you came into the world with two step siblings, no? Yes. Yes. Yes, I did. Okay. I was like, if I've got that one one one, right. So they weren't really in your life, though. No, they were in my life.

My step-siblings, yeah. It's just lives ago, it feels like. But yeah, Janelle, my older sister, and Alex, my older brother. So they were dads. They were the step-dads. Oh, oh. They were your mom's boyfriend's kids. After dad.

Yeah. Okay. Roger. I didn't really know my dad. My earliest memory of my dad is, like, him catching me masturbating. Way too young, by the way. What was his reaction? Way too cool about it.

He was like, what you doing, bud? And when I think back on it, I'm like, damn. That's so weird that he took that approach with me. Well, maybe he didn't want to shame you. He didn't, but I'd rather he did. Now that I think back on it, I'm like, we weren't this like hippie, comfortable family where, like, you know, I was jerking on in the women. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that wasn't it. So that bothers me.

But I don't remember a lot of him. That was one of the only memories I have of him in me as a kid. And I say this was love. He was junkie? Yeah. And mom, too? Yeah. Okay, see, they both liked opiates.

And had they met already liking opiates? or did they develop that together? My mom doesn't really tell me much about them meeting. The only thing my mom has to say by my dad is that he's a piece of shit. Okay. And she changed my name from Dominic Mills to Dominic Fike. That's how much she didn't like him. Even my name pissed her off.

To this day, like I can tell when she sees something in me that reminds her of my dad and has to shove it down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that sucks. That's a bummer. Because I will say my mom and dad, they got divorced, but my mom always loved my dad. And I think when she sees him and me, she likes it. She's like, oh, that's the guy I mean.

That's cool. That's great experience. I like that. That's rare, I think. Yeah, probably. Yeah, it'd be so interesting if you did hate your ex, which is so common because your kids look so much like you would act the same way. So dad was gone. Dad resurfaced at like 10 or at some point we'll get to, but how functional was mom as an addict? Pretty functional. She raised me and my brother alone. Now that I have a kid, I'm like, how did you do that? I think that all the time. And resources. I'm not on heroin. So I'm like, how did you do that? How did she do it? And I hate, and I'm here because of her. That's a really nice and positive take away. It is. Because you could feel differently. For sure. But she was incarcerated sometimes?

All the time. Okay. Like how frequently? Once every year, a couple years. She'd go away for a while. For drugs? For all types of stuff. Driving drunk or drugs.

Doing addicty shit. Addicty shit. Domestic shit, violence shit. My stepdad would beat the shit out of my mom all the time. And we would have to watch it. And then the cops would come and arrest my mom. Every time. I didn't even know what cops were.

were or what the problem was. Yeah. So it was tough. I could have been like, I saw what happened. I could have been a good eyewitness account. I could have saved my mom maybe like six months in jail. Well, I'm sure the stepdad was probably terrifying. Yeah, he was a big dude.

And he had his own problems, I'm sure. You know what? He was like an alcoholic. Okay. Old fashion. Old fashion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Classic.

Come old pissed off for no reason. He knew what you were getting. You know, come in the door and he was angry. That's how it went. Something always seemed to happen to him on the way home from the bar. At least he was consistent. Disappointed when he got into the house. So I'd too watch my mom get beat.

And that created that thing. It fucking killed me to not be big enough to protect her. It then made me feel like a coward. Like I had all this shame about it. You should grab a knife. And then this oversized trigger for any bullying. And I want to get in the mix way too much if anyone's. getting kind of victimized.

Did you pick up any of these issues? Totally. And people will take that as like, do this guy's got a big heart. And then you go around thinking like, yeah, that must be it. I got a big fucking heart. Right. Well, it's in the mix. Yeah, it's one of the things that makes a big heart, for sure.

Yeah. The events were one thing, but the abuse I put myself through after those. Totally. That's rough. And I don't like dudes as a result. I just in general, I don't need to meet any dudes. I feel you. You know, it's crazy.

I say this all the time to my manager. Oh, shit. Now we're getting somewhere. Now we're talking about work. And it'll be like a meeting with my agent. And it'll be like, you got to go do this. I'm like, who is it? And they're like, Dan or something.

I just don't know my agent's name. I'm like, I don't really want to hang out with a dude today. And I'm like, Dom, it's not about gender. You have to talk to this, dude. Like, I don't text guys ever. If they're in my house, that's when it's really. Like, Christian can invite over infinite females. There's too many people.

It's too noisy. but I'm not unsettled. The second, there's a dad of a kid that's getting picked up. I'm like, all right, who the fucks this guy? What's he planning to do? I think that's pretty primal, that sort of response.

That's what I wonder, because you can't really have a different childhood to know, like, yeah, am I just genetically wired this way? Totally possible. Or is it, no, random dude showed up and then the outcome wasn't great. So guess what?

I don't look forward to random dudes. Totally. I don't think anyone does. We had a joke going for a while. I was an ongoing bid that was like, should we get some more guys here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can almost play football.

Should we get a couple more Sazizs in the mix? I got a love it here, but we should get a couple more fucking guys in here. Yeah. That'd make this thing really pop off. I do think, because Dax is an A, he's accumulated a bunch of A.A. Guys. Guys, yeah. Mostly guys.

But they all prefer to be around women. I think there's like a calmness maybe or a grounding that the men don't provide that the women do. I lost that for a minute. my feeling grounded with women for the past like six months I think I retreated to work and you know when you're in and out of relationships for a stretch of years and people are like this is a relationship guy and then you take that second and you're like okay I need to be single and then you have to talk with your friend you're like I've been single for a minute and you know what I'm really enjoying my time as being me I'm single now you do that for a while I lost my feeling comfortable

and connected around them because of that phase I went into this phase of not dating and scarcely being around them you lost yourself but in a cool way it wasn't in a negative way Now I'm just so nervous and I admire the shit out of them. My mom used to have this friend named Candy. She was like the first other woman. You know, your mom's your first girlfriend? Yeah. So this was the first other girlfriend.

I was just in a harem. It was me as a kid like fucking Q-Heffing it. But this woman was that to me like this tall nurturing mom girlfriend type of thing. And that's how women have become to me now. They all remind me of candy. Yeah. Now women to me are like aliens And I'm walking around and shaking hands with him

Is crazy Have you heard this song Candy by Mandy Moore Kristen's favorite He's like a singer-songwriter dude Oh I remember Cameo No, it's a man's name

I like sex in Candy Is that how it goes Here we go Marcy Playground This is incredible None of us can find it? It's called the boss.

Who sings candy? Your favorite. Martin Sexton. Martin Sexton. Do you know that? She called Sarah Marshall? Thank you. Yeah, I just got Sarah on the phone.

All right, thank you. Have you seen this chat GPT shit with South Park? Have you been watching the new South Park? I watched the first of the two Trump episodes. And what a mind-blowing experience. This chat GPT thing that they're talking about. Do you guys use AI at all? Yes.

Yeah, we've been using. Yeah, what are they exposing? I want to know. It's just like how fucking lame it is. For when people use them for everyday life, that's what it's useful for. Like how many ounces are in this? Or just anything. Yeah, like we could have asked Chad about this.

Oh, yes. Potentially it would have known. Yes, I use it as Google. I'm very much an old person in that. And I get it talking to. It's easier. Yeah. Have you heard the guy try to make it count to a million?

No, that's hilarious. It will not. What? Exactly. It's highly impractical. Sorry, she was Australian Oh no, I was ribby We were just at lunch

Oh, that was where my story was gonna end About the women, damn. Anyway, it was a fucking map We just went in aid at this place near here Called All Time Oh, we love All Time You know the spots Siren City over there

Oh yeah There are Manny's always over there Beautiful women Over that place There's a blonde girl that works there We made eye contact multiple times Does she have blue eyes? He does have blue eyes

Like very piercing? I bet her name is Francesca. Francesca. I will pass along the message. Wow. Reachable on Instagram, I hope. Of course. She is beautiful.

She is gorgeous. I'm actually going to Jamaica in a week. And there's an open spot. I got a seat next to me on the plane. First date, Jamaica. Yeah. Okay, so I guess also I'm just am curious. I know what it's like to be the little brother in this scenario.

How many older brothers? Just one. Just one. And he's five years older. And it's only now that I'm writing about my childhood where I recognized the amount of pressure that was on his shoulders. He was dealing with the same thing with mom and then also, I'm supposed to be protecting this little boy. I'm now understanding how insanely stressful that probably was for him. You know, it's funny your older brother probably

thinks about it that way too, though, like for you, because I think about my younger brother and I'm just like, I can't imagine having to live up to all this shit. Sometimes I feel so fucking bad. And sometimes I feel like crying. I'll be sitting alone and thinking about my family and want to literally just scream or cry just because there's so much you want to say, but you can't because you got to work through this. And they got to say what they got to say. By the time they do, you probably don't even remember what you were going to say. You feel like there's a bunch of healing out there that's not been done.

Yeah, there's been so much damage, I suppose. I think what might be nice about your position is when you watch him struggle, again, I've had this with my best friend since he got sober. I have compassion for him I can't really have for myself. And similarly, I wonder if you look at the fact that you had to send your brother to treatment, you might go, oh, yeah, man, this is kind of the outcome of what we dealt with. So obvious that's what's happening for him. and maybe you can extend that to yourself. It's funny, you say, yeah, because it's harder to think about yourself in that perspective. Yeah, I deserve anything bad that happened to me.

You try not to because you're kind of taught from a young age not to. When kids do it and it's unregulated and you don't know the other side, like parents worry that it's some form of narcissism. That way of thinking is phased out. And so you sort of cater to other people and you fill that void by worrying about other people. Yes. I never extend that care to myself or that courtesy or that grace. I've never, ever done it.

And part of that, I think, makes me who I am in high functioning. And it's gotten me to where I'm. I'm at. You're also 29. You know a lot of time to figure out how to love yourself and not be mad at yourself. I mean, today I'm not. So yeah, I just took my family to Big Sur. That was super nice. We were out in Carmel. I got this cabin. My nephews are good. They're good. My brother's good. He's on the couch. His girl's good. My son's okay. My mom's sitting telling me about the space in a song, like a Justin Bieber song, because my mom loves Justin Bieber. Come on. Who doesn't? Shout out,

Justin. I was talking to her and she's like reveling. in this space of a guitar, so between verses. And it's not like we don't have lighthearted talks. For some reason, this one felt significant, this sentence. Like, I love the space here. I think that was all she said. But for me, it felt like a point of departure. It was like, everyone's safe right now.

She does not have the weight of a bunch of other things. She's so comfortable not worrying about babies or rent or food that she's telling me about a understated guitar solo and a pop album. And for some reason, it hit me like I wanted to cry. So I'm thinking I made it to this point. It's always been a little bit stressful. but for some reason I'm not living like the way I want to you, like a piece of art like Prince would, you know,

these stories about these artists that you hear and you're like, oh, it'd be easy to live like that. All you would have to do is make sure a couple things are in check. So I'm like, what's stopping me from doing that? You know, when you're hanging out with someone you're interested in and you bring them around your old friends, and your old friends won't let you be a new guy. They won't let you progress.

Yes, they're threatened by who you might be with this person. So I have that friend in my head that never lets me be different or progress. It's always reminded me of something I did before, and that's why you're not able to do this. Your street cred was fucked back here. You're not this guy. But I'm like, what is this guy? So instead of being like, okay, just can't do that anymore,

I'm like, what is this? Why is this? I got a lot of shame, too, because of this narcissism that was sort of created for me with my cell phone. Like, it gave me narcissism. And a lot of people didn't have this opportunity to go look at themselves or how people are interacting with them. Right now, if you wanted to know someone's opinion of you,

you can go get it. Yes. I could go get anyone's opinion of me. It's irresistible. That gives me shame because I'm constantly, have this reference of myself, when really there is no reference of yourself. If you wake up today and you want to be a fucking chair, like, it's all good. Today I was like, I don't want this shame. I don't want this vanity.

So I'm not doing it. And removing that, for some reason, coming back to it like a mantra, like I don't want shame. I don't want vanity right now. The sky's blue. And like, my stomach is easier. I can talk. I'm not worried about a microphone in my face or a camera or the imprint for the rest of my life of the words. I don't give a damn now.

And it's really good. Have you seen the Jonah Hill documentary with Phil Stutz? No. You should watch it. It's about him and his therapist. Oh, I know about it. Yeah, and he talks a lot about this. So that voice he would call the shadow.

And the shadow's created to protect you at some point when you're younger. And then you outgrow it as your life evolves. And the shadow's afraid you're going to leave it behind. So there's this weird practice of thanking your shadow, appreciating your shadow, inviting them to be a part of the new you. and then they fight back less. I know, it's pretty fascinating part of that doc. Giving them form and humanizing emotions.

Somatic therapy's big on that. It's helped me with a lot of that. Yeah. For sure. Okay, so during all this chaos, you find, is it Avalon Forest? Yeah. Tell me about Avalon. My childhood was kind of like South Park.

The day would start and it's us four friends and we're all like sitting on a stoop and I'm like, an idea comes and an adventure takes place. And the forest of Avalon was just one of those. episodes of that season. We went to the beach, me and my four friends. We find some weed on a rock on the beach. Super rare. What a blessing. Yeah, yeah. 14 year olds. God wants you to consume. No one's around. Yeah. We didn't have to go through sketchy drug deal to get it. You know, not get robbed, beat up, police. It's just on a rock. We just start riding our bikes around because that was our mode of transportation, the bike, the pegs, the shoulders. God, I missed that. Anyway, we're riding around

and my home was small and the problems were so present. You could feel it and you addressed them every time you walked in the room. So every time I left the house, it was like, let's get into Witt. I wanted Alice in Wonderland. Every time. I wanted there to be some sort of danger. We narrowly escaped. And the Forest of Avalon was like perfect for that.

And you know why? Because our arousal setting was set way too fucking high. It takes a lot to wake us up. Yeah. Because you might think that if you're coming from chaos, all you want is peace. Yeah. all you want, but it makes sense. Like, no, that's not the idea of fun

when you grow up with the chaos level. 10% of my memoir so far as this field, we've lit shit on fire in and we had a rope swing. This is what I'm describing. Yeah, you just go out there and act like a fucking caveman. Did you have a name for it? Because I had a name, it made it so much funnier.

No, we didn't. It was just the forest of Avalon. The mystical forest of Avalon is over your call. I would be laughing every time you said in, you'd hit the joint and call that and be like, you know. So it wasn't a real place. It's just a place in your mind. It was literally an undeveloped lot.

It was just a lot that had not yet turned into a writ. Yeah. Where you might be able to make your own society. Yeah. With its own rules. Lord of the flies kind of deal. I loved it. Possibility.

My dad was an addict and I was like, I'm never going to do anything. And then that failed, but that was my initial game plan. I was like, I know what this does to my family. I'm not going to fuck with it. Did you have any reservations about smoking weed or doing anything? Around the time that it happened, no. But initially, yeah, because I saw my mom smoke cigarettes and I found my mom doing drugs a lot. too. I would find heroin and just put it back. By the time I made it there, I was trying to just keep

my hands from not sweating. So if someone's like, yeah, we smoke weed, that's what we do. I'm like, damn right, that's what we do. And we fucking kiss girls too. Yeah, yeah, whatever things I'm supposed to be doing to be acknowledged as a boy. What's that? We hate school. Who's an asshole? Right there. It's just confirmation of your identity with people around. I mean, we all did that. So when do you start? Well, you start rapping at that point, too. I did, but that was more for fun.

We just started getting drunk. One of our friends, Gus, had a rich parent situation in a huge house, and we would go and steal his mom's Kalua and, like, fill the bottles. Oh, yeah. Freestyle in the car. It was this around the time when currency was really cool, little Wayne, was really big. The drought mixtapes or whatever they call them, no ceilings, all that kind of stuff was coming out.

And I had this Colombian friend named Gibran. Shout out, Gibran, who's an idiot. Legitimately an idiot. And this guy was only into Lil B and pissing people off, like teachers just calling them slurs that they didn't know what they went from rap songs. So this kid was funny and we would just sit in the car and freestyle all night. And then one time we're drunk as fucking. He turns out me, he's like, dude, you're kind of too good at this and like took the mic over and they just started doing fart bars again, you know? And then from that moment, something did kind of flip there where you're like, oh, I want to pursue this.

I was like, how do you guys not see the paths in the riding? Sometimes they would sing something and do a flow and I'd be like, and I expected them to hit it. And they left. I'm like, well, no, this is the right way. Right. And I think that was the reason I started making music because there was like a period of time where we used her music and Jack Johnson music or chili.

Like, I hadn't heard a guitar solo in like five years. Yeah. And so I'm sitting on house arrest. I'm like, well, shit, I guess I could make it. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. Pura Vida means that happiness guides our journeys, that we live in harmony with nature. And everyone is.

welcome to experience this energy. That's Pura Vida. Join the vibe at visit costa rica.com. Well, let's talk about how do you get to house arrest? Because yes, this is great now. The story really takes off. We were having a going away party for my older brother. I was living my older brother at this point.

I'm homeless. My mom's in jail. So I'm on his couch. And I'm just doing little sessions with people. because I at this point got a name in my city from just rapping. So people are paying me to $300 to do a verse, which is like horrible. But back then, you're going to give me money to eat. Of course.

I'm going to do whatever the fuck you want. I'll sing and dance too. I'll definitely rap. So then I get into this kind of lifestyle where I'm in and out of the studio and partying a lot. And so is my little brother. When my mother was in jail, for a while, we tried to hold on to the house. So he starts car hopping, like stealing from cars. Like we get like carbines and shit and sell them.

iPads, whatever. Sometimes you find, like, 10 grand of cash. And he's paying the rent for so long, and then he goes to jail. At what age? Like 16, some shit? Okay. And he's in there for a while, and then he gets out finally. Five days out of jail, my older brother, now my stepbrother, is going away.

He's going to jail as well? No, he's just going away. Oh, okay. He's leaving on his own recognizance. Right, to jail, right? He's just going to travel. He's just started. He's going to Miami.

I think he's going to California to pursue a rap career. Okay. Yeah, and we're all excited for him. And my brother is there, and he's drunk. and a cop pulls up for a noise complaint. So my brother starts dipping out. He's on probation. And once you get out,

you're not supposed to do anything stupid in like the first five days. I know that's a rule. For some reason. Dr. He doesn't. A good look. Oh, my God. Here we go.

This is awesome. This is awesome. Okay. Dude, I shit you not. He runs away. It's an apartment complex. There's a nearby lake. And they have these reeds sticking out of the fucking lake.

Yes. Do you know where I'm going with this? Yes. Without a paddle. Yes. Crazy. He did that. He performed.

What did he do? You know, cartoons originally. It's like you go underwater and you can't breathe and they're shooting at you. So you take a re and you breathe through it. You use it as a snorkel. And we did it without a paddle, but it's like a cartoon trick. But here we go, real life. Yes.

Oh, because he saw it without. Oh, my God. We used to watch it religious. So full circle. He's doing that. So the cop starts chasing my brother. I'm chasing the cop the entire time too. So at one point, the cop notices me next to.

I'm trying to tell Alex, yo, slow down. The cop's not going to do it. anything. It's fine. I got you. It's good. So the only thing I can think of is trip the cop. Keep the cop from your brother. Because he's going to go back to jail. Whatever works. Yeah. So he pulls out a taser. I'm thinking it's a fucking gun. Immediately my instincts, boom.

And I knocked this dude over. Oh, man, I know I fucked up. I saw him be embarrassed. You know when a grown man gets fucking embarrassed. It's dangerous. And he's a cop. He fucked me up, boy. And then he put me in that car and now I went to jail. And then you got assaulting an officer charge. Yeah. Okay. And then you get

house arrest. How long was that supposed to last? Supposed to be, I think, a year. And then how did you fuck up house arrest? Cocaine. Okay. Crazy. So house arrest really enabled me to focus because I had just been running around. Like, I'd been making music here and there, but it was for features. It was like transactional. None of it was real art. None of it was face to face with any sort of songwriting. Like, I really hadn't even thought about a stanza in months prior to this. So I finally get on house arrest. I met my computer. Actually,

there was these girls. Shout out to Bailey and Kelly, but they just let me live at their house because they liked me. And you're cute as fuck. Yeah, they're like, you're fucking so cute. It's his cute face in our apartment. Yeah, they live with them. And I just start making music with them. I had a girlfriend at the time. And I used to play guitar for her. I hadn't played in years, but she bought me a guitar. Like, remember when you used to play guitar for me? I'm like, yeah. So I start playing the guitar again. And then I'm like, shit, I'll make a mixtape with a guitar, though. This time I'll sing instead of rap. And maybe this will be for girls. Turns out it just sparked my entire career. That's all I do now. I hardly rap. Yeah. It is for

girls. We all like it. It's working. I have a question really quick. How do you feel, I'm sure you've told your story many times, when people show pity, what does that do to you? Are you like, yeah, that makes sense when people say, ah, or are you like, no, it's fine, don't feel bad for me. Yeah, I think I told the story enough times at this point. I've seen all the reactions. Yep. Some of them surprise me. Some of them are comforting to me. Sometimes pity's good. Sometimes you want it. Sometimes when you're telling your story and you're in Europe and you're hungry, you want something to eat and this lady's asking you about it and you tell her that and she pities you, she puts a little bit more cheese on that thing.

Sure, it can work for you. Yeah. Yeah. Because I can imagine, I feel multiple times in hearing this like, oh, man. Well, don't you feel like I got to take care of this. Yeah. Yeah. I bet there's a lot of gals attracted you that are wanting to take you in.

Yeah. How do you like it? Because you don't love it. I don't like it. No. You don't like it. I don't want anyone to take care of me. But you do.

Yeah, secretly. I want you to like me and not like me at the same time. Not like me for the reasons that I want you to not like you. Exactly. There's a lot of active contradictions. Okay, but you didn't get to cocaine or breaking house arrest. Oh, yeah. So you're in there focusing and it's doing wonders for your songwriting, but...

But I'm in a room all day and I'm trapped all day. And even now, that's my job. I know that it's healthy to step away. Yeah, isolation is... It's a bitch. So I start using everything I can. That has a short span. in your stream.

Coke is like three days, yeah? Is that what it is? I don't know. When I was looking at it up, they were like, if you work out, do this. I wasn't taking a lot of piss tests when I was fucking crack.

This may surprise if I didn't hold any employment. You know, it's funny. Me neither, but I think it's something in middle school that you do with friends when it comes to weed. It's like you guys discuss, like the shelf life of drugs in your system. I did know weed last for like a month.

I know that one. Yeah, everyone knows that. Every guy knows that. Yeah. And meth lasts a while in your system. But I don't know Coke. Coke's one of the quicker ones. So I'm doing Coke.

Yeah, because you might take a piss test. I guess you are on house arrest. That's true. I'm bored. And the girls are always at work. And their mom lived there too, but she's always at work. She's trying to give me to go to school. She's like, Dom, you need to do something with your life.

I'm telling her I'm making a mixtape. Kid with a face tat smoking dope doing coke in her fucking department talking about a mixtape. I'm not necessarily investing on that startup. No one gave a damn. No one gave a damn. And then I get called in. Oh. And it's right as I finished the last song on the mixtape.

I'm up doing coke that night. And the dude calls me at 7 a.m. He's like, domino another drug test. And I'm thinking like, oh, I just did it. So it's probably not even in there yet. Oh, like I just did a five minutes. Like, what's up, Pete? Give me the cup, motherfucker.

Yeah, yeah. He gives me the cup and I just failed. And he put cuffs on me right there. I'd never been so in disbelief. I was like, really? Well, the Coke will do that, won't it? That's the great thing about Coke. It makes you optimistic.

That's why it's a relief. And then I went to jail for a while. And during that time in jail, I released the mixtape. Yeah, so how was the time in jail? You were in county. It's awesome. It was great. I'm not even kidding.

Really? I had a good time in jail. Again, this is a stereotype, but I'm worried how cute you are. I'm a little worried about how cute you are. Well, that's scary. I know. I hate to perpetuate a stereotype. So it's not really like that.

I'm a little nervous. Okay. There's this thing called like PETA, Peta, Reda, something like that. It's some four-letter acronym that is against prison rape. Okay. So we got some action in there now. We got some protests. It's huge.

It's like Dare, but if they kept doing day. And it was a huge nationwide. And it worked. I had a full long hair. I was like 20 or in there. Oh, no. He was a piece of ass. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. You're a piece of ass. I was. Call it what it is. I was. So. Yeah. And I was in a violent block. Because of my charge, my bunky murdered his family. Okay. Hilarious stuff. The funniest guy. Well, if you can't laugh about murdering your family, you know, if you can't be tried that. If you can't laugh with him because you killed them all.

Oh my God. Wait. How long were you in jail? year. I did have one question we blew past. Did you watch Florida Project? No, I never watched Florida Project. I was never into people making movies about my town, because they always did it wrong. And I just didn't want to be let down and pissed off with the Florida Project. I don't think you will be with that. I hadn't seen it when everyone else saw, but then I loved Anora. So I went back and watched Florida Project. Florida Project's better than Anora, and I love Anora. Florida Project is fucking. That's a crazy thing. It's awesome. Sean Baker's amazing. Oh, he did

Florida Project. Okay, we love Sean Baker. Yes. And it has this imposter impossible thing that kids have once every 30 years someone captures little kids being little kids you're like how did they get this to happen it's magic the first time you saw dakota fanning what the fuck's going on yeah i am sam that movie i'm sam i'm sam drew bar more et yeah yeah so you piss hot you go to county you release the music now this is so improbable by the time they he gets out there is a bidding war to sign you and you sign at columbia for four million dollars Mm-hmm. What?

I mean, I'm a lot of money. This is up there with, um, Ki-Hi-Kwan, yeah. He's on a refugee ship. Oh, wow. Within a year, he's flying first class. The Steven Spielberg. To be an Indiana Jones.

Wow. Wow. So, yeah, this getting out of prison to a $4 million contract, how do you compute that? I don't know. It was kind of like the first of its kind in that span of time to happen to this bidding war thing. I'd never been a part of anything like that. Because it was big on SoundCloud, right? You had put it all on SoundCloud.

Yeah, I put it on SoundCloud. SoundCloud, and then my manager, Reid, who's still my manager to this day, takes it off real quick, because he sees it starting to garner attention. Yeah. We had a couple, like, suits reach out. We'd never been in contact with anybody like that. I've been released music for five years at this point. These dudes start flying from California to visit me in the jail.

No. This dude that's like, hey, Dominic, you're ready to be a millionaire? And you're like, I'm homeless. I'm not doing this for a penny under four million. You can take three million and shove it in your... Well, what had happened was my mom is in jail and my dad's in jail at this point. Both they're facing 20 years. because this whole time, my family, they're huge heroin dealers.

My stepdad Sean's a heroin traffic. We're all chilling at one point, and we'd been doing this for years, living in hotels, selling coke. It worked out. It put me through school. And then all the doors get kicked down at our hotels and at our other houses, and everyone's taken to jail, marshals. It's in the news. I'm seeing them both.

I'm like, oh, man, they're fucked 20 years each. So I'm in jail, too, and my sister's up for adoption because of this, and my brother's in jail. And I need to get my sister out of adoption. I need to get my mom out of jail, and I need to get my stepdad out of jail. So each lawyer for them is $200,000. And then to get my sister out,

I'm still paying for that to this day. So I'm thinking about my position. And I'm homeless at the time. You know, and I need some fucking money. Yeah. You're in the same. This is my work that y'all are buying. All this is in my head.

It wasn't that I came up with like $4 million. I'd never seen money over $1,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So motherfuckers are like $200,000. I'm like, that sounds like a not real number, I guess. Cool. I'm not pushing it up. Another dude flies from another label comes to the jail.

says a bigger number. And then I didn't even know this was a thing. I tell that dude that the guy said a bigger number. Yeah. This motherfucker goes with a bigger number. I'm like, wow,

I feel like I'm a battery. Yeah. You're in Jerry McGuire. Yeah, dude, that made me so funny. We get to the point where we're in L.A. And on top of the Columbia building or the Sony building, because at this point,

Rob Stringer's involved, the dude who owns Sony. He's like, all right, who's this motherfucker? Like, everyone's throwing this money around. Who's this guy? He comes to meet me. We're in a meeting.

And at this point, I know how to do this money thing for bidding. So I'm in the room And I'm like playing them songs And they're like oh these are so good And then I'm like yeah Well you never know

And I'm about to walk out And Rob Stringer's like So what are we doing this or not? Because he's a business man I respect him so much I'm like well I don't know And Ron's like maybe we could And he's like no more millions

Are we doing this right now? I'm like yeah I'll do it right now And we just sign it And we pop a bottle of champagne On this rooftop It's me Rob and a couple of my friends And then I go into the bathroom And I'm like yeah I got to piss

Because all the champagne And I'm looking at my phone The bank account Shouldn't I see the number jump At the urinal And then from then on, I just don't remember. It's been like seven years of... Wow.

So you initially just blew a ton of money on lawyers. Yes. Were they successful? Only one. My father's still in jail to this day. Mom got off. Crazy probation. I was able to get her custody of my sister back.

Yeah. Move her out here. She hasn't worked a day since. Oh, this is great. It's a movie. It is a movie. I got a piss and then I want to talk about ether. Okay, you guys go potty.

How to go? Okay. Thick ropey. We get it all out. Or a weak, thin. Pretty weak. Sure, sure. My friend, Stefan, was walking by the bathroom when I was like 17 and I was peeing and he was just like, weak.

That has stuck with me for nine years. We've talked about this. I think guys when they go into a toilet and they think other people can hear them, they think people are evaluating how big their dick is by how powerful the stream is. Well, it sounds like they are. Wait. Have you ever done this? that thing to yourself? Sure. Like I thought, oh, that guy's wrestling a hog in there. It was a nag or fall. I hope you can keep it in the toilet. But you're right. It's almost counterintuitive

because really if you think if you had to pass the urine through 18 inches of Saziz, that would slow it down. Oh, that's interesting. It's almost like we have the backwards notion. But it really, it's like, if it was just a hole coming out of your top of your balls, it'd probably be like, I mean, it's how big the urethra is. Surely, surely. But also how much pipe it's got a lot. a pass-through. It's going to lose momentum. Unless it's like the early mining hydro projects where it's like the urethra is big at the top and gets narrower than it would increase the pressure. We'll look into it for the fact check, as we mentioned earlier. So what is that? I went and listened to a lot of the podcasts. And I actually went far back because I just put it on to sleep too. Oh, okay.

It's good to sleep to. By the way, that's awesome. I'm with you. Media that you can sleep to. Yeah, I agree. To me, priceless. That's myography's from me. Comforting. Have you listened to the podcast Comtown? No. You guys familiar with the podcast? See you in town?

Comtown. Oh, wow. I like the title. Tell me more. Mick Mullen, Stabros, Huckus, and Adam Friedland, they have since disbanded, but they were like the originators of, to me, the comedy podcast. Oh, cool. Okay.

And it was called Comtown. That's a big swing. Horrible shit. Non-stop racism. Oh, wow. Okay. So the original Manosphere. Like horrible.

Yeah, but now it's different in the Manosphere. Well, also, I heard you say in an interview that Florida. has a different sense of humor than L.A. You can go a lot harder. But now the world is kind of like taken. Everyone can say retard now. Everyone likes to say it. It's turned back.

Yeah, people are like... That's why they've been saying in South Park. They're like, everyone says it now. Carmen's walking around with the shirt. It says, woke is dead because he's sad. He doesn't have anyone to oppose anymore. Yeah. That's how I feel now.

Sure. People are confused. No one knows what ends. What's up? Was it liberal to say this or conservative? I miss it. Stay in your lane. Play your role, dude.

You're a bad boy now. Okay, so... $4 million appears in the bank account. Yes, you spend a lot of the money immediately on your family. That's lovely. And then you have your debut studio album in 2021. Yeah. Three Nights was huge.

That's streamed a billion times. For sure. So that's their first kind of big hit. If I were you and I had been in jail, then these people start flying to see me. I would have the most imposterous syndrome possible. Like, they're fucking up. I'm not worried you of flying here.

At this point, I felt pretty like, I'm in jail. I felt like fucking Al Capone or some shit. I'm like, this is the least impostery I felt. In jail, right. Because you're like, I'm a piece of shit and I'm wearing pieces of shit along. You're like, I'm really doing it. I went all the way with this thing. People said this is where I'd end up and here I am.

They were right. No, but the notion that I would be worth $4 million investment, given your track record, would have been kind of overwhelming pressure for me. The whole time in my mind, I'm like, white people are crazy. Yeah. What the hell? The first male, I'm like, you fucking hearing this shit, mom? Like, what's talking about?

These white people are nuts. I'm like, you guys are nuts. I don't know what you're talking about. So did that get in the way of you being creative at all, feeling like, oh, my God, these guys just bet $4 million. I mean, I'm never going to have a hit that's going to pay this off. Back then, that was my thought. But really, it fueled so much.

The older you get in this industry, you start looking for somebody to like jumpstart your shit. You're never using your own phones to pay for your shit, first of all. But back then, receiving money like that, I didn't realize it was like jet propulsion. It really pushed me into this thing. I'd never seen snow before, too, when I got out of a job. jail and they gave me all his money. So I'm like, let's go get a house in the snow. So I go to the highest point in Colorado. So I started thinking, like, how Led Zeppelin and shit, how they made

albums, they would go out and retreat. And I'm like, well, I'm a rap artist, but I just made this rock album. And now people are talking to me about my baselines and about my writing. Maybe I'll just, boom, go into that mode. You're trying to figure out what to double down on, right? Yeah, where to double down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm like, well, let's go see you snow. So we go to Breckenridge, I get cab. And I bring all my friends that are producers, and it's a fucking madhouse. In a good or bad way. And the best way. I hired one of my friends to be a chef. Guy never, my best friend, Max, his mom died when he was young and he had his dad who was good dad, but absent a lot of the time. And I was homeless at this time. And whenever I would come to Max's house and we would need food and our parents

wouldn't be there, he would cook us up something. He would go into the fridge and say, oh, here, I could whip us up something like this. So when I get my money and he's my best friend at the time, like, just come chef for me. Come chef for the guys. Cook, cook on some very sweet story shit. That's what he does. And I'm taking all my other friends as producers, but we didn't realize like the altitude thing. Oh, yes. That conducive to great thinking. Oh, my God.

We're drinking whiskey one. No, the hangovers at altitude or something else. And also, you don't stop to think about your nose. At one point, I wake up and I'm like, I can't breathe. And we're supposed to be recording an album. I have to sleep with six humidifiers on me. So I would wake up

soaking wet every morning and, like, go down and record, get drunk. Turns out, this album was actually one of my favorite albums to listen to now. Well, all these things work for a while until they don't work. You're so right. You don't do them over and over again because they didn't work initially. For sure. Yeah, all this stuff is like you get hammered. Oh, I can talk to girls. That worked out great. I now don't have social anxiety. That's cool. I did this and I stuck out for myself.

All these little things you build why it's positive. So that album does really well. And then I want to know what it's like you end up singing on a Bieber song. Shout out Justin again. Second shout out of the pot. Yeah. I think he deserves it. Yeah, of course. Something else. I hadn't done any features with anybody. And I still don't really do features. I think the feeling features I've done is like Remy Wolf, Paul McCartney, and Justin Beaver. That's pretty solid. How did you get approached? Does he call you?

How does he know about you? Okay, yeah. So I'm in Antigua in rehab. Eric Clapton. Oh, that's where I sent my best friend Aaron. For real? Crossroads. Yeah, I was at Crossroads.

Nice. So I'm in Crossroads. What is this? What year is this? Yeah. Yeah, how do you end up in Crossroads? I was dating this really nice Jewish actress lady. I love her so much.

Her name is Diana Silvers. Yeah. He was amazing. And we were dating for a while. And I already know the answer. You already know what happens, right? You cheated. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, you cheated, and then what happened. And then she said, you need to go to rehab. And I'm like, it wasn't me. It was the drugs that I'm on, that I go to rehab. Not true and not true. Not true. Not true. Both not true.

Yeah. It's funny talking to you because you can barely bullshit, you know. That's funny. So, yeah, I'm in cross-res. This is why the program works. Yeah, of course. I don't have my phone because they don't let you have your phone. But apparently he DMs me.

My manager calls me because you get the phone like once a week or something. And I'm on the fucking jail phone. earning your swimming rights it was COVID actually I went during COVID so did here I wonder when Aaron was there what is Aaron Aaron's my best friend from childhood and he was there in 2019 Thanksgiving to January 1st 20 20 20 you guys just miss each other probably it's hard to catch each other nobody really stays at those no one's ever like he did a full like month and a half I was proud of him he accepted the advice to stay longer which I was happy about good which no one ever does no one Okay, so you're at Crossroads.

There was this cheating event. Did you yourself think I have some kind of substance abuse issue? Were you there yet or no? No, because my parents were drug dealers at a young age, they're giving me drugs. My mom finds drugs, she gives me more drugs. So it's like, I didn't know what normal was. And as far as I'm concerned, all these normal people don't have as much money as me at the fucking time. I'm like, what the fuck is at me?

Yeah, this is complicated. I'm doing it wrong, but it seems to be working pretty well. Working all right. Okay, so he DMs you. And how do we think he found you? He just heard. Haley. Oh, Haley Bieber.

He was like, yeah, Haley's been listening to. Which is always my point of entry. It's somebody's girlfriend. That's right. Same, my friend. That's this show, too. That's how we get any guy is somebody's wife or girlfriend.

Of course. The 10% that resist hating our guts. They'll join in. Yeah, I think it's more common to go, fuck this dude. Oh, he's been molested. Maybe Haley should. He's honest about it. Oh, what a stuff.

Okay, so she loved it. She loved you. She had been playing it for him, and he was like, I've been drumming to it for the past month. Why don't you come by and do something? And I'm telling him, like, right now, I'm like, yo, I'm in rehab. And he's like, oh, that's cool. I know that he's dealt with someone. Yeah.

Dude, he's a coolest guy also. Let me just say that. Oh, please do. Yeah, I don't think anyone knows. We had this faux fight with him in the media, Kristen and I. What? Justin? Years ago.

I'll patch it up right now. Call him. Years ago, he was renting a house in this neighborhood. And when he was renting that house, the paparazzi were out in front nonstop for him. But guess what? If he wasn't around, they'd pick us up because fuck it. They're just there. So it helped our paparazzi interactions a lot.

So I think I complained once in an interview that Bieber fucked up our whole scene by moving behind us. But I wasn't mad of him. It's not his fault. That got perpetuated and knew a little thing. Did he think you were really mad? I think maybe he thought that for a minute because then he had to respond. Well, imagine being the dude that everyone's like, He's a lesbian.

He looks like Ellen, you know, for years. Anything that pokes you is probably like, well, fuck him. Yeah, I completely understand. But I've since spoken very favorably about it. And he did DM me once, interesting. But I missed it by two years. I didn't realize you could look at your DMs. He's not good at the end of it.

Anyway, I think he's radical. He's sick. He just dropped an album. Oh, he did. Like last night or today. Oh. Swag two is what it's called. When you look at him, what quality do you go, like, oh, that's the thing I need.

Well, I say this all the time. So when we worked together, I finally get out of rehab, we go to Henson. We're in the studio. This is the Muppets Henson. Yeah, okay, right here, yeah. What was it originally, A&M? Precisely. Yeah, I come through there.

I'm actually with the girl that I was dating, the Diana girl, we're back because I'm back from rehab. You did what you were supposed to do. I was supposed to do. She's my ex-girlfriend now, if you can. Yeah, we're gathering. We're not really not a rekindling. Life is long. She's there, which was insane.

You should see how girls look at Justin. Even if they're your girlfriend. It was crazy to see. I was like, damn, do I do that to people ever? Yeah. You were doing to Haley. That's true. Exactly.

Yeah, this is a push. That's right. Her eyes turned black, like a shark-smelling blood. Oh, good for him. What I do admire about him is he is an athlete with it. When he shows up, it's like seeing Michael Jordan or Kobe step on a court. He's warming up. I mean, I don't dance, but this motherfucker can, like, pop and lock.

So when I write, I's just like, leave me alone. And I'm seeing it over to myself in my head, and I'm going to need some time. everybody's kind of got to do your own thing don't look at me act like you're doing something even if you're not doing something probably don't do anything because it's going to be too loud and interrupt me but act like you are yeah yeah yeah and he's there and he's like dom you know what i think you should do this harmony that he'd be like huh like hit the harmony yeah and i would just be like okay i guess because some artists you work with they're just like man it's all good like we just do whatever it's music it's a free love bullshit this man took a jersey off and i was like whoa time to get to work i love that yeah and it's still love for it it It wasn't like it's transactional. I'm not a musician, but on the outside, I can see where there are a handful of people

who their voices are so great. Like, I don't know a lot about Sinatra, but I think everyone wrote his music. That's not his thing. But you start to see, let's just say, Timberlake leaves his boy band, and he ends up with the Neptunes, and that first album is what it is, and it's incredible. And then you wonder, I wonder how much is Justin and how much is the Neptunes. And then over time, it starts to surface. Oh, no, it's them clearly, right?

Because that's Bieber. No matter who he works with, which he works with a lot of people, the quality ends up being there, which leads me to believe, yeah, he has some kind of work ethic. He does have that. In the people that do sing and not write their own songs, you would expect that quality to always be present, but it's not. And he has it in, you know, what did people say? In spades.

Yeah. He has, yeah, so much of it. I'm impressed. Okay. So you work with him. Then euphoria comes. How do you get approached for that and had you ever considered acting? I'd never considered acting at all.

I actually didn't want anything to do with acting. I was doing a triple J performance called Like a Version where you have to perform another artist's song. So I performed a Clero song. But what I did was I wore a wig because I was like, I'm a girl. I was also just high as fuck. So I was just like, whatever. Okay.

So the rehab had not stuck. Yeah. Okay. Great. Good to know we're at. It did erase the cheating, but it didn't cure the addiction. Okay. Great.

Great. Every time. So I start playing that. And I guess one of the casting agents for Euphoria, her name was Jennifer Vendetti. She saw that video and was apparently. intrigued called me I didn't know

what Euphoria was I didn't know it's this big fucking TV show I don't know who Sam Levinson is I don't know who fucking even Barbie or Zendaya

or any of the girls So the night before I was reading about some actor who did his staying fucked up or something maybe it was a week before

so I stayed up all night with this girl drinking whiskey taking shrooms I show up to the audition or the read beyond fucked up I'm just laughing at Sam

and everyone's laughing at me because I'm just laughing at them and I'm like what is this script I'm like throwing shit around and calling Sam, like, you wearing a fucking dress, dude, talking to Sam, because he was wearing a dress. And I was, like, 30 minutes late. And I'm like, can you do this?

And I was like, I don't know, probably. And we start reading it. But then the words start jumping around on the page. I was like, I can't do the script. And they were like, Dom, just go get rest. And they were so mad at me. I remember they called my agents and were like, this kid's never doing anything in Hollywood again, ever.

We're so mad. But then I guess I posted something like a month later that was like, it's not about what you do. It's what you do moving forward. That really is going to define. And it wasn't in reference to that. But I think that Jennifer saw that, and I think I was living in a different way at that point. I was trying to, like, buckle down.

They called me back. It was like a year later. And Sam had written a part for me. Sam had rewritten this character that I showed up to read, but he wrote it with the qualities of the guy he saw show up. Wow. So he writes this guy that's like half his character and half the dude that showed up that day. And then I was honest with him.

He has a meeting with me. He's like, okay, I know that you get fucked up, obviously. You have some problems. I have those problems, too. We can get someone to help you. But you have to do this. You sign a five-year contract. It's just a formality.

But he's like, I need to know that you're not going to like, fuck me on this. I was like, brother, got you. Like this time I'm not understanding the stakes still of this show. And then we get into filming it. You find out real quick when you see that budget, you know? Yes. When you show up and there's like 20 semis there. Yeah.

And then you meet all the people too and you see actors really take this shit serious. Because I'm here, I'm just like, I'm just doing another, whatever. Which is like a self-defense mechanism. For sure. If I suck. I told you, I don't care. Yes. So true.

That was definitely what I felt. And did you feel pretty natural, pretty quick? Because you hit the ground running. You were so good immediately. I was rooting so much for you guys. Such a good character. I love I wanted he and Root to be together. The song.

Did you write that song? No. Labyrinth wrote that song. Sam had asked me to go write a song and I wrote one. I mean, I had like overdubs and I didn't know what he meant. Something that couldn't be done in a room. He was saying write a song on the guitar. So then I get this song, Labyrinth,

makes and it's gorgeous. I'll sing that. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, was it hard to admit like, yeah, this is pretty solid. It's such a beautiful. It's better than that. This song that I wrote for it is still good, though. I listen to it sometimes.

Okay, great. Well, I heard Farrell getting interviewed by somebody at some conference, and I was relieved to hear that Happy, that was like his 16th attempt at the theme song for that movie. Yeah, Happy Feet. For Happy Feet. Happy was a theme song for Happy Feet? Wait, this is not sounding wrong.

Right. No, it wasn't for Happily. That was a theme song for them? Oh, it's for Dispickable Me. That one? If you feel like. Yeah, this is the truth. Despicable Me too.

Okay, got it. So the first album, he wrote all these hits, goes away to do the second one. And every time he submits, they're like, that's not it. I've been there. It's such a relief, I would imagine, for people to know that Ferell sometimes has to stand up at the plate 16 times. And that's why he's Ferell's. He didn't go, well, no, I'm better than this. The end of that story, I think, is that he basically.

said, no more. No more. Like, I've done it this many times. But he came up with Happy. And he's like, well, this is it. This is it. And if you don't. And then specifically, he told the president of studio, I need you to drive around in your car

and listen to it. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Something about driving around the car. Stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare. You realize when you work in music, all these dudes are super normal dudes, and they're just like you and I. This Danny Elfman dudes, just like the Omar Apollo dude sitting next to me. The only difference is this dude was down to do 15 tries of it for 15 plus years every day.

That's the only thread that I find connecting all the people that I admire. It's not that this person drinks this type of water or this person wakes up in shit's excellence genetically. It's that this person just didn't fucking stop. That's so true. I heard you say that you, we're almost kicked off the show a bit for your drug use. What was the consumption at this point? Doing a lot of Coke and a lot of weed. Great stuff.

Smells so good. Smells great. It must be hard for you, though, because if everyone's like, you're doing so good and you work, that character's incredible, how then do you... What's broken? Why am I fixing something? Again, same with you go to jail and then you get $4 million. How do you right size that and say, no, I really need to get my actor? together because your act is working.

Yeah, well, it was kind of like if a dude gets like a cool cut on his arm and then they put a Band-Aid on and the Band-Aids like Transformers. I was like, what do you mean? I'm doing great. Transformers Band-Aid. But then you take it off and there's a fucking gash in your arm. That's kind of what it was. All this money, this is a temporary fix for something that I need to actually go and heal.

I would kind of be better about going on camera super fucked up. Like I would space it out like my weed would be like 50 minutes. I put eye drops in. The thing about getting fucked up on set was like people imagine that I'm just constantly talking to Sam and Zendaya and Hunter fucked up. I was in my trailer all the time. You'd fucking know. It's insufferable. You're in there all day. And then at the drop of a day, you know, you got to be

there. That was the funny part is when you are in the middle of doing something and they're like, you're on at 5. Mac, Mac. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were signed on for a season three. Is there a season three of that show ever? No, I actually just did some of it. There is a season three. Yeah, they're filming it. I was just talking about her. She's filming it. Oh, I was afraid. No, they're going hard. Oh, good. I love that show. Rosalie is in it, I know. It's such a good show. It's such a harrowing show. A good friend of mine is on that show, Dane. Eric, he's going through some. I saw some shit about it. Yeah, it's hard-breaking. It's crazy because when I met him. He's like a superhero.

Yeah, yeah, totally. Hardbreaking. Okay. When you sang to her. I know. People hated that scene. What? Who did? You didn't see me get roasted on the internet for that? No. The whole internet just blew up about me doing that. What were they mad about? It's like, why is this guy singing? I'm trying to see the rest of the character's arts because it was kind of at this point when everything was like... Climmoning.

Yeah, the culmination of all this drama is happening right now and then it cuts to me being like, you want to hear some shit I wrote? No, it's beautiful. They thought it was too time consuming. Yeah. These people are not. Which just goes to show where we're at as humans.

Yeah, that's upsetting. You know what it more goes to show? It's like every conversation's happening and you have to find the ones that are bad really because that in our world oh my god i was no one thought i've never even heard away and also that's so dumb because it's also about her it's a very human moment we wouldn't want to skip that no one was trying to see that they were trying to see like animal kingdom the girls fighting with the hair they wanted to see that uh oh my god have you seen the user

have you seen amazon lately you ever just go into any streaming service do you see what it is it's just like yacht murder this person was discarded in the back of a fucking pop and they used her as a rug for eight months and here's the talk about it. That's all it is. And that's where you know where we're at as humans. Before it was like Charlie Chaplin like slipping on banana peels. We all grew that.

We needed some more radical. Well, I can't be the first person that would compare you to him, but Mac Miller... A lot. That's got to be a tremendous compliment now. Yeah, it hurts though because he's dead. I know. You can take it a different way. I loved his music and I felt like we were really close to working together. I'm managed by

the same people they managed him and I know a lot of his friends have you done a tiny desk I've not done a tiny desk I was supposed to but I didn't sleep the night before I was coked out and so I missed it right right right these things happen they do um where are we at with the drugs now good was there an event was there anything exciting that was like okay these are getting more dangerous yes you have a child that was a big one we would like that we you know it's funny that wasn't the thing no it's not it's worse it's worth that's That's honest. I've seen so many dudes in sobriety think that when their kid arrives, that's going to be that it's harder.

More stress in your life. It is. And you also get this thing. It's like, all right, well, he's one now. Maybe I got three more years of this. And then it's boom. Yeah, he'll remember all these things. It's a fallacy to say there's a bottom because I've had a dozen bottoms.

But certainly I did have the profound moment looking in a mirror at a bar trying to get well enough to make my flight where I was just like, wow, man, you got everything you wanted. And you're the most miserable you've ever been. What is broken? You got all the stuff now. So what is it? Crazy feeling that one. It's scary. For me, because I was like, oh, if I get rich and I'm famous, I got no problem.

Yeah, you think that. And then it feels like a man on the edge of the world. When you're in that mirror, you're like, what? Yeah, why don't I like what I see? Yeah, it's scary. It sucks. Then you got to figure out what the fuck's broken. Yeah, man.

I was in Paris for Fashion Week and getting after it. No shortage of drugs in women in Paris. I end up staying up too late, and I have to go to Rome for a week and a half. It's supposed to be great. Rome's beautiful. This is the most miserable I've ever been. I'd run out of Xanax, which I've been taken for like six months at this point. So I had like a psychotic breakdown.

I didn't sleep for three days. I'm up, screaming, crying, throwing shit at the walls, breaking things, screaming at people, calling people pedophiles. I was just going to say people know from watching movies that kicking dope is hard. I don't think people understand how absolutely horrendous kicking benzos is. It's the devil. Xanax and all the benzos, they seem so innocuous. It's like, oh, yeah, take one.

Because everyone takes them. Yeah. But it's when you've taken them for 30 days straight and you're up in your dose and it fucks up your brain pretty severely. People take them for years. And I look at it online. It's like you're supposed to take these for this amount of time max or else it can be serious. Yeah.

I think I took them for six months. Getting off of them, I almost died. Having seizures, flashes, fucking all that. I'm freaking out. And then I just ruined this trip for everyone in Rome. And by the time we get back to L.A., I'm like, okay, I'll stop doing it. it turns out I am fucked up you go so long thinking that you kind of maybe can get it under control and there's always this stretch of time when it really feels like you're doing it and boy does that

ground come up fast then you're in Rome and you should be happy and the people around you should be happy and you're miserable and they're all miserable yeah how many times you go to treatment like four wow with circ twice crossroads once and then seasons I also did some recovery in jail to get out quicker what's your favorite part of it what's your least favorite part My favorite part of it is, you know, what I was talking about with the dude that's your friend that kind of won't let you progress and change. You show up there and no one knows you so you get to create this person. And then when you leave, you get to be that person because your friends even waiting back home expect a little bit of change. Everyone gives you the grace to change at the same time, which rarely happens in life.

It's always different times. Everyone's on a different schedule. When you go to treatment, you're a baby again. I love that part of it. And they give you the opportunity to change. You're like, you're sure I can change right? Go ahead. and then you do

and it's amazing I love that part my least favorite part is and there's no really bad things about it if you look at it from you're about to die yeah yeah

it's all great but there's a couple treatment centers that get a little clicky which is human but I think if there is a way to eliminate that

which is funny because I'll be in the studio and I'll be like I need a guy here to do high hats just do high hats but not talk prefer like he doesn't eat

or drink water and they're like so you want a human but to erase is humanity I'm like that would be ideal exactly exactly It would be most efficient for me. It's kind of how I feel about rehab.

I'm like, if we could just eliminate the human part of it, it'd be amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of parts I would have wanted to get rid of the God part. I'm like, what are we doing here? For some reason, that isn't a big thing to me because I like that challenge. Where I got to it was like, you're so bogged down in the logic of it all, as opposed to this is an act of humility. You lack humility.

You need some fucking humility, and you need to ask for help and evaluate yourself to help. And that is one act of doing that. And even more so if you don't believe in it. So I'm like, all I get it, it's an even cooler test for me. I got to be that humbled to participate in something I don't necessarily believe in otherwise. I think that's good. Saintly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you going to act more other than UFO? Would you like to? I want to act more. I've been busy with music, but I'd love to act more. I have an acting agent, agency as well. I bet you're very represented. I'm busy. I'm away for months at a time. The kid. I'm down to do more acting.

Some musician just told us, it was a female. She said, there's this illusion that you can do both, but you absolutely can't. Like to promote, you have to record it, then to promote it properly. Oh, it was, um, one, beautiful. I don't even know who you're talking about. Just describing her in porn categories, like ivory. She's Ebony. She's like the driven snow.

Who everyone was crying? Dove Cameron? Dove Cameron. Dove said that. You have a similar vibe. Musicians. Musicians, baby. Yeah, did you get along with?

Zendaya, but not fun. Zendda is great. She's very much Michael Jordan. Okay, but let me ask you this, because you're kind of a scumbag like me. Yeah. And I look at her as like a goody, goody.

Oh, yeah. I would have been so triggered by like, I bet she thinks I'm a piece of shit. So funny. That is why I really just wanted to skip over this part of it. I was just like, I already know. Any mention of her name. I don't know.

If she sees it, she would look at me, I already know. I knew who I was on that set. And I think that kind of affected the way people felt about me too. But again, it's a little bit of that self-protection. Exactly. It's like I already know I'm a piece of shit.

I know a piece of shit. You can't knock me any lower. But they can't. I'm not taking this serious, but I am. She probably has more grace for you than you. Maybe, yeah. I imagine. She's great.

Tom Holland, maybe is a secret. Come back. I'm on a stoke. I'm on a stoke. I hear he's the coolest. I actually like him. He's funny. We hung out a couple times.

One night, I'm not even fucking with you. I go out to this bar. I'm with Tom Holland for some reason. Toby McGuire's there. It's just me, Toby McGuire, and Tom Holland. To the Spider-Man. Two fucking Spider-Men. I'm just realizing the connection here.

And I'm just between them both, I was like, dude, this is awesome. Like literally like this. And I'm like, can you guys do the meme? And they both did the Spider-Man meme. Hell yeah. And then we're all just talking like, oh! That's exactly what you would expect. That's awesome.

Well, it's a delight to meet you. Yes for funny. As I said, you're even cuter and personal. Thanks for having me. I've never done a podcast. This is your first. And I watch them a lot. I'm going to guess your favorite.

I get one guess. I'm going to guess your favorite. Theo. I love Theo. Not your favorite. No, Com City or whatever. MSSP really is good. Matt and Shane's secret podcast?

MS. MSSP. Shane Gillis and Matt McCusker have a podcast. I love Shane Gillis. It's great. It's good to sleep to you. But like I said, this one's really great. Thank you.

We're going to keep at it for a little while longer. It's a good thing y'all got going. Please make that fucking season three of Euphoria. I love it so much. It's on you. everyone go like let's pick up the fucking pace we don't need 10 hours of doing they're like filming it all right well could you go faster all right brother well great meeting you nice to meet you nice to meet with everything thank you very much stay tuned for the facts check so you can hear

all the facts that were wrong it's cloudy out is it to me are you sure well when i just outside it felt sunny when i woke up it was cloudy and then And then the weather app said cloudy all day. Oh. And you're right. We wore outside and it didn't seem cloudy. It felt a little bright. But in my heart.

It's still cloudy. This is my argument against sleep data. Yeah, I understand. Yeah. I've already laid that out. Yeah, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes. I'm with you.

You need to do a sleep study. Cool. You need to find out what's going on. Yeah. But just waking up every morning and having a device tell you basically the limits of how good your day can be. Yeah, I agree. I'm against that. Yeah. So I think that happened with the weather app. It was like, you woke up, it was cloudy, and then you're like, and it's going to be cloudy all day. And then you click into that gear. Yeah. We've had really weird weather this summer and going into fall.

And I'm very grateful for it. Yes. Notoriously, Los Angeles is at peak heat in September. Yep. In the beginning of October. And it's scorching. It's always always always. We're over 100. Yeah. It's miserable. The AC can't keep up with anything. You're damn near dead in your apartment with one fucking window unit in your kitchen. Yeah.

But also another thing that won't interest anyone is we have a season, which is marine layer season. End of spring, early summer is marine layer. So all the way to like one or two in the afternoon, it's always overcast, which keeps the heat down in June. It's nice. But we've been in marine layer almost all of superiors. September, which is interesting. And then it also said it was going to pour today, right? It did?

It said it was 80% chance it was going to rain, but that didn't happen. Because I keep looking out my bedroom window on the second floor down at the roof of the guest house and there's so many leaves in the gutter and I go, I got a leaf blow those out before the rain comes. And then I was like, it's coming Wednesday. I got to get. And then I went over and start, I didn't do the leaves. But then it broke.

So maybe you, it's the sim. Because it's like, oh, he's not ready yet. hasn't done the leaves, so we have to hold off on the rain. That's nice. So maybe the whole state will be like, please clean up your leaves. We need rain. I'm good. We need rain because it's fire season.

You're right. You're right. Marine layer, shout out gray clothing brand. Oh, yeah. I have some marine layer. Yeah, we used our sweatshirts. If you have an old armchair expert Christmas once a year, limited edition sweatshirt, chances are it was Marine layer.

Yeah. Speaking of, not yet, but we will have a new merch. Oh, yeah. Situation very soon. So keep your ears and eyes peeled for that. Monica's been using all of her style prowess to come up with a whole new set of designs. Yeah, we're working with a new company who's very well burst in merch. Yeah.

And we've all been working together to come up with some nice basic pieces. Basics. And I think they're going to be really cute. It's not, I guess it's a little bit of a cock tease because it's not available yet, but it will be. I don't know that I, how often do you say cocktees? Is that new? No, I said it. Somebody listening, please go back into all the episodes and see how many times I've said it.

Ask AI. I guess normally I say a tease, but it means cock tease. Yeah. Yes. Do you think I sound... There's rungs of the intensity. You could see, she's a tease. He's a tease.

She's a dick tease. I've never said that. She's a cock tease. That's like triple X, full blown, full throttle. Dick tease sounds... Like dick cheese? Yeah, I don't like the sounds of that. It's like automotapia.

I like it all. It sounds like someone's teasing it. Right? They are, but then they walk away. But then they walk away. But that's much. better than nothing. Is it?

The Dick Tease is always framed as something negative. But I would way prefer some, like, teasing than to nothing. Oh. Yeah, people really act like it's the worst thing you could possibly. Blue balls. Blue balls, exactly. It's kind of a patriarchy thing because it's like these women, they come and they just like tease and they tend to their sirens.

And then they walk away. And then these poor men have these huge balls that turn blue. Also, we just had to. guest on whose mother was like you gotta oh it was that terrible doc we watch oh the hoarder no the the unknown number yeah although did we have someone oh you also the mom with the hoarder her mom was telling her like you got to jerk these guys off oh my god she was and she gave her a vibrator for Christmas in front of her brother and dad father yeah yeah oh my god maybe that woman had a little bit of munch houses but just didn't have the internet didn't have what was too lazy to pull it all

yeah well she had hoarding also i mean she had a lot to handle she had a lot going on although the unknown number lady when we see her house because of the um body cam it doesn't look organized oh it doesn't look organ it didn't look bad though really i felt like it looked i was expecting to see something worse worse yeah i had my uh expectations very low yeah i wonder if people have watched it since we've about it. Great, Doc. I went to the Emmys. Yes, you did. I wrote that down. Tell us. Yeah, I went to the Emmys.

We also went to this party called the Night Before Party, which raises money for the MPFT fund. Okay. That's motion pictures, arts and sciences, television. Yeah. We haven't been in probably 12 years. Really? Yeah. The last time we went was the time that we were hanging out. out with Amy and Tina and the next day we were on a walk and Kristen's just said, I'm just not funny. Yeah. Well, that was a long time. Yeah, I was like, I think it was at least 12 years ago. Maybe, maybe more before Lincoln. Before I was even born. We went because the beautiful Adam Scott and

his wife, Naomi, were official hosts of it. Yes. Friend of the pot. Friend of the pot. Friend of just real life friends. We just adore those two. And, uh, yes, so we went. And that was, it was fun and I was reminded. I have the same anxiety of any function with a lot of people, which is like you're going to see a lot of people you like, and then you're not going to be able to really talk to them. You're going to have like three minutes of small talk, which is not my favorite.

And then someone else is going to walk through that everyone knows. And then we're going to start the cycle all over again. I hate this too. Yeah. So it was really fun to see everyone. that I watch on TV, that part was fun. Yeah. I did get to chat with Ben Stiller for a while.

Oh, and that was fun. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. And I'm a friend of his pod. Oh, my God. I feel his sweat. It's on me. He was really sweating then.

We had a. Monica's sitting on the exact same spot that our guests who just left was sitting. And he's very sexy. He is very sexy. A sex machine. Yeah. And you're now in his sweat. Yeah.

I like it. Yeah, I bet. I don't smell it, which is cool. You just feel it. His sweat doesn't smell. His sweat's a back tease. Which makes sense because... You're getting a back tease right now.

This person has to sweat a lot for their job or did. They weren't in a steel mill. And so his sweat is evolved where it's just releasing water to keep cool, but it's not stinky at all. No. Wow. So then you got the Emmys the next day. Wait, I want to stay out on the party for a second. Oh, okay, great.

Okay, because parties, these parties, they're fascinating. And I think they're relatable to anyone as an adult going to a party where you don't know people or you kind of know people or you know some people. You're trying to figure out how to maneuver through and you don't want to be by yourself and it's all very fascinating. Mixed with it's actually like being at a high school party because there's popular kids and there's. There's crushes and there's like all these dynamics going on. A lot of dynamics. There was a Netflix Emmy party after the Emmys day of that Anna went to. Okay.

And she didn't get a plus one. Okay. Or yeah, she didn't get one and then she didn't ask for one, which mistake, you got to. I always am the plus one, so I don't know the rules. But that's what you do if you get invited and you ask for a plus one? You are married. So if you. I'm the plus one.

No. Either way. Either you're the plus one or she's the plus one. Sure. There's no like issues. It's just built in. It's built in. If you're inviting Kristen, you have to invite me.

Yeah. Yeah. And vice versa. If you're a single person, you kind of have to make sure you ask for a plus one at events. Okay. Which I've learned over time. Okay. So she went and she was like so, like for like a week.

She was so excited about this party. Oh, good. Oh, yeah. Also, Anna, our friend, is so. fun, right? She's the funest person. She loves a party. She's always in a great mood. She's got a zest for life. She's just ready. She's just going to say yes to anything. She'll do anything. She's so fun. She's normally my plus one because of that because she'll always say yes. And then she's just easy at the place. Yeah. So she was so excited. And I had this sort of feeling. Like,

God, I mean, Anna's of all people, she can like handle a party by herself. Yeah. This is. This is if anyone could pull this off, it would be her. For some reason, I had this. I was like, I don't know why I don't, I feel like this, like, might not go very well. I didn't, and I didn't want to say that for anything. You want to jinx her or yuck or yum. Yeah. And also at one point, she was like, I wish you could come.

I was like, yeah, this gets complicated. Because I, of course, want to be embraced and invited to things. And it's lovely. It's so nice. However, I am not a person. That feels super comfortable going to a party. without needing to be there. Right, right.

Yes. Like, I don't want to just be invited to a party unless I'm in a show that's represented there or I'm like, obviously I went to the sag party because I was a part of that show. Yeah, yeah. Things like that. But I'm not interested in just like going to a party to see and be seen. Crashing a party kind of. Yes.

Although you do want to go to the U.S. Open and be seen. Of course, but that's like fun. Okay. That's watching tennis. Yeah, yeah. And I'm obviously to bring in a plus one. right anyway but even that like no I would not want to go by myself even if I was invited I would feel so uncomfortable it's uncomfortable you feel like a loser I know and you shouldn't you should

you shouldn't you should feel great we've talked about this I used to go to eat all the time by myself and I loved it I didn't give a fuck I was like I think of many people are like my guy's pretty cool he doesn't care you yeah and being recognized has made me feel a little less comfortable I'm now back to enjoying it yeah but I do feel like people are go like, well, that guy must actually be a loser because he should have a friend. No, I think that's on TV and doesn't have a friend. That's not the same thing as a party.

Okay, all right, all right, okay. I love going. No, I was more U.S. tennis open. Oh. There I would feel like people would be like, why is that? Right. Because that guy's on TV, why is he by himself? That's more adjacent to a party.

Right, okay. Oh, there's so many layers. So yeah, anyway, all to say, she goes to this party. Yeah. she's there for like 10 minutes and I start getting texts right oh no no one's here like no if the show was there or some people were there but they were not talking to her I'm standing at this table by myself and I said well go sit at the table and she's like no I feel better just standing at the stand-up table and you know and she's like and I'm going to have to drink I'm going to have to keep going

to the bar because I feel comfortable you know these things that start happening and I thought I was like, you start getting very self-conscious. So self-conscious. You start feeling like, oh, I'm leaning on this thing. Does that look right? Is it a lean? Should I have my hand in my pocket? Do losers lean?

You almost like short circuit as a robot. You do. And it's so, um, human and relatable. Relatable. Yeah. It's like going to a wedding by yourself and you're just standing at the stand-up table. Oh. I'm like hoping.

Oh. I just think like I'm too. too old to do this ever. I went to, oh, I went to a birthday party recently. That was sort of like this. And I hadn't felt it in so long. I'll shout it out. It was Ashley who owns all.

No, but ding, ding, ding, Elizabeth Olson was at this party. Wow. Yeah. So Ashley from all time had a birthday party, and it was in this, like, cute side room at all time. And I don't know why. I didn't even think twice. I was like, oh, it'll be.

this is fun, I'll just pop in. I got there and I was immediately. I was like, what have I done? It's an immediate feeling, yeah. And now you're like, I got to walk out of here, but that's going to be awkward. I've got to like save face and spend 10 minutes here. Exactly.

It's all going to go downhill once you feel that way. And those 10 minutes are 40 hours because you're figuring out at least, okay, first I'll go get a drink. That takes some time. Then I'm going to act like I'm going to the bathroom, but I'm going to leave them. No, I don't, I didn't leave. I couldn't leave.

Like, I had to at least stay to engage with her, but she's obviously talking to people. Yeah. And then I'm, like, looking around, like, who do I know? Oh, I kind of know that girl. But she's in conversation. And so I'm kind of like, you know, you're kind of like. Sattling up next to.

Yep. You're doing that or you're kind of trying to get in their eye line and like, hi, so that they'll like ignore whoever they're talking to to talk to you. Why would they do that? So they're kind of, they kind of just nod to acknowledge you. And then you're still standing there with your wine. Oh my God, it was so bad. It's kind of crazy that being a social primate that we do all feel that.

I mean, I guess that's what we're feeling is like, oh, there's a group and we're not in it. Yeah. It's very uncomfortable. It was so uncomfortable. And it is so, the human brain is so interesting depending on your place and time and where you, your location, places you feel comfortable versus places you've done. I don't. It was so wild. Finally, my friend Mara came. She just happened to be there. Mara Rozak, incredible hair stylist. Shout out, Rose hair products. They're great. A lot of people reached out about that towel I talked about because my hair was looking so good. It's sold out. But they are going to maybe bring it back for the holidays. Oh, okay. So, thank God. Thank God Mara walked in. And I beeline.

And I was like, you're not getting, like, you're mine now. You're now on a date with me. Yes, that's right. And poor her, she had to talk to me for a long time. Yeah. I did speak to Elizabeth Olson. Oh, that go. That was fun.

I've never met her. She was really, really nice. This is also funny. I was like, whoa, does she notice? That urine had to tow row. Yes. Uh-huh. And actually, my shirt wasn't.

but my pants and my bag were. Yeah. And I was like, for the first time I was like, I wish I wasn't. You felt silly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, this is like your sister's. I'm dumb. I got to die. I want to go die. Like, I'm wearing your sister's clothes. You're like,

who is this person? Why do I have to talk to Mara? Why are you talking to her? And then you find yourself talking about such, like small talk is. Yeah, it's, uh, It's uncomfortably inane.

It's like, it's like, yeah, your soul feels like it's getting sundered. Yeah, because I think in that conversation, I tried to bring up perimenopause. Uh-huh. It felt like you were forcing it. Yeah. But it felt like it was going to be a good entree in, these three women who were talking about hormones. And I was like, oh, well. And then I was like, I was about to say, on my show.

But I was like, I can't say it on my show. She's going to be like, what show? You got a show? What podcast? Please don't tell me about your podcast. Exactly. It was so scary. Yeah.

Anyway, so parties are hard. Parties are hard. They are hard. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. So we left there. Then we went to the big event itself. Yeah. And they had a really heightened security.

Oh, I see. Yeah. There were snipers on the roof and stuff, different roofs. I'm glad. But it made getting in like really quite crazy. Yeah. Like there was definitely a moment where I was like, do, should we get out and walk the remaining half mile?

Kristen and I did that one year. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. It's not sorted all that well. I was like, are we going to miss? And I think her category was like second up or something. I was getting so panicked because I'm watching the E, red carpet to get you guys.

And I'm like, time is it ticking? I haven't seen them. What's going on? Yeah, we walked around the whole side of that whole thing. We never were even on the right carpet. We came in the side and got there in the nick of time. And I don't know why I had a memory of them having some great green room with a lot of snacks. So I was like, oh, I'm going to be fine.

Oh. And then, you know, I'm like, ooh, I'm hungry. And she's like, yeah, I'm hungry too. Okay, after your category, let's go to the green room. So we go to the green room, slim fucking pickings. There was nothing there. I think I ate like seven pieces of more to delo ham. Oh, sure.

And that's all there really was. Okay. And I hate it all. That was it. Oh. You save none for everyone. I was in a desperate situation. Okay.

And then I, um, when she went on. way to go do the Ted and Mary presentation. I knew I had a few minutes. Yeah, like a few awards. I had a little buffer. Right. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go out to the lobby. And I was going to be conservative.

I was like, I'm going to go get a thing of popcorn. That'll tide me over. And that's, I can manage that. Just a couple kernels at a time, hide it on the ground. But high choking probability, just, you know. Something to think about, I suppose, or in your teeth. Yeah. But anyways, I got up there.

they were sold completely out of popcorn. So I said, oh, fuck it, give me the nonchos. I sold out of nonchos. So I ended up with a huge hot dog, like a Snoopy special hot dog, like a quarter pound hot dog and a bag of flaming hot Cheetos and Skittos, and Skittles, which I don't eat sugar, really. And I certainly am not eating skittles if I'm going to eat sugar. I'm going to eat like a candy bar of chocolate.

Yeah, yeah. So I got back to the seat and I was just trying to be pretty quiet about it. Now I have an enormous tray of food. By the way, sincerely, none of this occurs to me for whatever reason. I just don't think that way. You're not thinking you're on TV. I don't think, oh, hey, guy, you're the only person in the first six rows with a tray of food on you. Yeah.

I literally don't even think about it. I was like, I'm hungry. I got nothing to do here. I'm not nominated. They're not cutting to me. Well, they might. So I'm pounding this hot dog. and all of a sudden I hear Dax, Dax, and I look over, I posted this video.

Yes, I saw. And yes, Sarah Paulson's recording me. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pot. By the way, so many friends of the pot at this thing. It was so fun. Like, half the people are nominated. It was, it was, I really liked that a lot.

Yeah. I just really liked it. I was like, everyone in this room is human. Yes. I've gotten to see everyone be human for two hours. And that's really cool. In the past when I'd go to these things, there's all these different. people and I'm imagining what they are and you know and I'm applying the status and so but this was

I think for the first time ever at a war show I was like oh yeah it's a room full of people yes I love that and I'm happy for him it's really cool what they did and then and it's just really like a roomful of people and it was great I'm like whispering to Seth Rogan once because I'm a huge fan of Tony Gilroy he wrote and directed Michael Clayton he also wrote Andor oh wow yeah so then I see the nomination for Andor and it's for like it's for Mike Gilroy and I'm like what does Tony go by Mike and then I like lean over and I'm like if there's one guy in this audience I don't know it's Seth rogan this motherfucker knows every single thing about him and then you know what I'm like Seth does Tony have a brother and he's like yeah two brothers and then the bro it was the brother

that won and then he mentioned the third brother who's also right on the show so this is so fun I'm like getting info from him and I'm staying dialed into what's going on but anyways so that hot dog thing happens. Yeah. And then friend of a pod, Sam Rockwell, has left his seat and comes over and just goes, buddy, you killing that hot dog is the funniest. I've been watching you eat that hot dog. Oh my God.

The whole room is watching. Now I realize everybody's been watching me eat this hot dog. And then Sam leaves and I look at him to say goodbye. And then I catch eyes with Seth Rogen and Ike, Barronauts. And Seth's like, you ate that thing like a corn on the cop. And I'm like, oh, I. oh no everybody there was watching me fucking pound this hot because i didn't want to eat the buns so i was like eating it kind of crazy and i'd put a ton of ketchup and mustard and mayonnaise

on it because i wanted more calories because they didn't have any food for sale up there oh my god so i had a moment where i was like oh my god i was being stared at by a lot of people you were the jester accidentally i was the jester and i think if i saw me i would think i was doing a bit but i was I mean, I don't know why because I'm so... Well, now it's a pattern. This is why I would think that. Because the other time when I was watching the Lions game at the Golden Globes. Oh, right.

On my phone. Yeah. Again, I thought I was just having this very secret moment where no one knew I was looking down at my phone. Yeah. And then Kristen had recorded me and posted it became kind of a funny thing. Yeah, but I don't think the room was paying attention to it. But if I add up that little oopsies with this, now this hot dog gate, if I, you know, I was cynical and I didn't like me already.

I'd be like, this guy's just, he's never nominated these things. Why is he there? Yeah, why is he there? Why does he go there and have to do something stupid each time? Oh, interesting. So I kind of had accidentally backed into another little thing. I mean. But it was, I was fine with it, of course.

They sell food. Yes. So obviously people are, if it was all sold out, people eight yes well I had seen oh another fun thing I'll say is um Chloe 70 was directly in front of me she's so fashion she's so fashion she's so cool yeah I know she was there one time with my friend Leslie and I just thought she's really cool and I've always thought she was really cool so when she was she was nominated and when she didn't win and the other person came up and the second the camera was off her because I didn't want to see this I slid her $20

Okay. Okay. And she turned around and she was laughing. And then she was like, tried to give it back to me. I go, no, you must keep it because if people say sorry, you lost, you go, oh, no, no, I won $20. Oh, okay, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's the one who had been sneakily eating some popcorn where I got the idea.

Yeah. I imagine people have to eat. I guess the line was at popcorn before people were going to look at you. Well, the nachos were sold out. Yeah. It must have been folks in the back. Or before the show started, maybe. Or in the breaks when they, maybe they buy it in the lobby and eat it all in the lobby.

But I carried this huge tray back to my seat. No one's had anything to me. There was ushers everywhere. Right. Wow. Yeah, that's funny. And, I mean. So now I guess I'm kind of pot committed to this.

I am, now it is going to have to become a big, yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to play like a trumpet in the middle of something. I know. I'm sorry, but that's my responsibility. As soon as it turns into on purpose, it's not, it's ugly. It's ugly. Yeah.

And it's about. you and attention and and I actually feel confident I'll accidentally do more stuff just let yourself be yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was a good it was a really good time and I um felt like kind of a moment of growth which is like I didn't feel better than anybody and I didn't feel less than anybody good yes that is a great feeling this is the thing I'm always trying to tell you do you think maybe I'm just ahead of your time probably we're probably way ahead of my time it's not always status is always abound and it doesn't well it always is and then you participate in it sometimes you don't it doesn't have to be you don't have to be you don't have you perceive it yeah you can

it's hard but you can remove yourself from it right it but i didn't do anything to earn it i just kind of felt that way which was nice yeah great well i'm glad i'm better than fainting did you see some one like um lady it was some political thing It was like her first day, maybe she was French or something, and she passed out and there's video. And it looks so scary. She's making a speech? Like they're all up there doing, yeah. Like she wasn't in the middle of talking.

Somebody else was talking, but it was like four podiums. And then she just like, watching someone pass out is so weird. Yeah. To see the human body just like give out. Yeah. Quit. Very scary. Yeah.

And, um... You ever fainted? I, yeah, had this weird passing out thing, which then caused all this anxiety about passing out. Oh, okay. Uh, but anyway. Because you passed out on the bike riding it at SoulCycle? No. When did you pass out?

I passed out babysitting. It was a whole thing. Oh. And it was really scary. Um, it was while I worked at SoulCycle. Oh, okay. And at all. Not like babysitting when you were a kid.

No, no, no. It was during that time. Okay. Anyhow, just watching someone's body giving. out. And she said low blood sugar. So, like, you could have passed down. It would have been so bad. What a dummy. I almost are too big. Exactly. You would have taken out so many people. I would look like a dumb dumb. Look at the big dumb guy. It's like fell over. Yeah. This big ogre fell. I have never fainted, thank God. I hope you don't. I feel confident I'm not going to. Thank you.

speaking of fainting bodies giving out health stuff tell everyone the story you told me the other day oh oh okay great yes another highlight thank you highlight this was really just a highlight for you i was excited to tell you um i know wiley was seated i think two rows behind me so on one of my many trips to try to get food i saw him and i kind of locked eyes with him so i walked over and i introduced myself to him i'm like uh hey no i'm d i'm dach i'm d'i'm d'all Nice to meet you. And he said, oh, yeah, I was on your hayride this year. And I'm like, you were on my hay ride?

And he goes, yeah, I was on the hayride last year. I can't. And I go, why don't you say hi? And he goes, I don't know, you were driving. I don't think you necessarily want me to say hi. And I'm like, well, I'm delighted you on there. And he said, he goes, man, you make some sharp turns. And I go, I'm so glad you say that I only go through all the effort of doing it

so that people will compliment me on how tight the courses. But he did. He couldn't wait to tell me how impressed he was with the turn into the alley. Okay. Isn't that great? I mean, it's hard for you, but it's great. Well, now you made it about you and it's about me. He was sitting next to me somehow, probably.

And I didn't even know. He must have been full mask or something. Oh, my God. Also, we have this with, we've had this with a couple of guests that were on the hayride that we don't know about. But no one's more exciting than Noah Wiley. No one's more exciting. It's extremely exciting, but I can think of a couple people. Like if Jay-Z said he was on the hay ride, I'm going to be a little more excited.

Okay, again, that's your preferences. That's my thing, yeah. Okay, my preference is to be on the hay ride. You got to keep your ice field this year. Yes. Do you think maybe he was one of the ones that came into the house that wasn't supposed to come into the house? I was like, hey, man, I took your hay ride and a shit in your bathroom. I came for a free hamburger and then I was like, oh, this place must be open to tour.

Mary Amanda Knox. Yeah. Anyway, I am delighted about this. It feels like a good start. And then I DM'd him to invite him on the show. Yes. I knew I smelled something really good on the hayride. But I never could identify it.

And now mystery solved, it was him. It was his pheromons. Now, did you consider telling him that we talk about the pit constantly on the show, big fans? He comes up all the time. want him to do surgery on my body. I did consider saying my co-host is obsessed with you and I hear about the pit all the time. And then I realize they're being celebrated tonight, right? Like me telling him someone's obsessed with the show felt extraneous in a given.

Given the amount of acclaim they were receiving that night, it felt like, yeah, duh, don't you see what's happening? We're winning every award. Everyone loves it. I think a line reading could have been. okay um we'll start with hi i'm dax oh okay hey i'm dax oh noah noah nice to me i was on your hayride what yeah yeah what do you mean in your neighborhood i was on your hayride you were making those like crazy tight turns like it's crazy oh well let's talk about my co-host oh um thanks for the compliment but she is obsessed with you your co-host of what oh i have a podcast oh we're dead see we're dead

in the water, because that could have happened. No. Now I'm explaining to him what a podcast is. Oh, Monica, you must acknowledge it's so high risk. No, it's not. And this is why I'm self-conscious. Okay. I know.

And it's not a fair comparison. I know. It's not a fair comparison, and everyone's going to be mad at me for saying this probably, but this is where my head's at. Okay. So I got to. Yeah. You have, you would have no problem saying Kristen's obsessed with your show.

Yes. She loves it so much. Because I know 100% they know who Kristen is. So. I do not walk around assuming no Wiley knows I have a podcast called Armchair Expert. I don't, I don't. I don't, I don't ever assume someone knows it. Right.

If they bring it up, I'd love to talk about it. but I never say my show, our show, this show. I don't ever do that because I don't assume everyone knows. Yeah, but you could say I have a podcast and my co-host is obsessed. That sounds terrible. I have a podcast. Well, I have agreed on this. We know it's embarrassing to say I have a podcast.

We already dealt with this. We were sitting at a table or it said podcasts and we were embarrassed. So, but then you said the goal is to invite him on the podcast. Yeah. So how are you going to do that if you can't tell me that one? I'm going to meet him. I'm going to be nice and likable. And then his publicist is going to pitch him how every guest comes on this show.

That's been happening, yeah. And he's going to go, oh, I met the guy. He's pretty cool. I'd love to. His co-host is obsessed with me, apparently. He wants me to do surgery. So I'll definitely go on. Anyway.

Anywho, facts. Okay, dokey. Dominique Fike. I loved this episode. Yeah. I really did. What a, um... It's got the MKG.

Yes. You want to, you really, I'm sure every woman who, MGK, MGK, MGK. I'm sure if a lot of women want to just protect him and take care of him. I mean, yes. And it's a little, it's a little, um, cliche, but I guess it's true. But also it's not. It's like there's just something admirable about a person who has been put through. the fucking ringer and is like smiling and thinking about it in positive ways.

Using it to create. Yeah, using it to create, not letting it kill him. Yeah. Is admirable. It is. And there's something like so twinkly like just like in his eye. I don't know. I liked him a lot.

He's very playful. Yeah. He's like a nice boy. Would you date him? I mean, he's very young. He's too young. But he's very attractive. He's too young.

He's very attractive. He's too young for me. How old was he? He's about to be 30. If you are my brother's age. Okay, that's the, I get it. I can't do it. I get it.

You have the brother in the mix. But 30's an adult man. I know, but. I bet he has puic hair and stuff. Ah, but I've shared a shower with my brother, so I would assume he does have peanut hair. But, yeah, that's a sticking point for me. Anyone who is my brother's age or below is a baby.

They'll just be a baby forever, even when my brother's 40. Oh, when you're 58 and the person's 50. Still. Really? It's an old grizzled man like me. They're babies. Just a little baby. Actually, there were times when Dominic was talking that I was like, I would like see my brother.

Oh, really? Yeah. Because they're like, they're the same age. And so some of the ways they were talking and certain mannerisms, I was like, oh my God. Or generational. I think generational boys. Yeah, yeah. So that was sweet, but also my brother as a girlfriend.

Yeah. And it's so exciting for me. Yeah, wonderful. I think it's so wonderful. Yeah. And I'm so happy. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know where it will go.

Yeah. But I had this feeling where I was, like, there's no other feeling other than just being so happy. Yeah. Yeah, because he's your brother, but he's also your son because of the age gap. And you want him to not be lonely. Yeah. It makes me so, it makes me feel like I'm so much happier about that development than I am if I had a boyfriend to bring to the table. Right.

Like, I prefer this that just like he's good and he's happy and, and. I feel that way about Carly and Yurt. Like, I'm just so happy that Carly has had yurt for so long. It's really great. And then even the idea, like, what if they, like, I've taken it so far. Like, if they have kids and they're going to bring maybe these little babies to Christmas and I get to play with these babies. Yeah, that is fun.

And I get to pay for their college. Oh, sure. And, like, it's just so cute. And there was, there's also something, like, energizing about it for me. I feel so excited. that there might be like new energy in the dynamic. Now, yeah, that is fun. It's fun.

And she will make him grow as partners make. Yeah. Oh. Now, I love it. One shouldn't care about this, but I do. Yeah. Which is, do you have any sense of relief of like, I want my parents to know that they carried on.

And I might not facilitate that. and I'm comforted for them that the Padmonds may live on. So I talked to them about this. They don't care. They don't. They're so interesting. They really don't care about that, about like, about like the legacy or the seed continuing or the name continuing or anything like that.

It makes me sad. Like if I think about my dad and the shepherds and Papa Bob and grandma and that I ended that line that I would have a hard time with that. I have some guilt about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this isn't helpful. And I'm saying it doesn't make any sense. Why do we care if one genetic pool carries on or not? I don't know why I care. Well, it makes sense. But you kind of feel like, I feel like, oh, they die for good if that doesn't happen. Yes. Right. There'll be no one here to care that they were here. Yes, correct. These are the feelings. Yeah, they're deep. Yeah, they are. But then you also have, you can. can't do it for that.

No, of course not. So, yeah, when she came into the picture and I was talking to my parents, and I said that, I was like, well, good, at least we know, at least we know someone's going to carry this on. Yeah. And they, like, laughed and they were like, we don't care about that. Yeah. Like, they, I think, want little babies around right now.

Like, that sounds fun for them. Right. But also they don't, they're like, fine if that doesn't happen. and they're all, and they don't care about the name being spread. Yeah, they're bizarrely healthy and evolved. They're very healthy and evolved. Yeah. Thank God, because they got me.

So, like, I don't, although maybe I wouldn't be, I probably wouldn't be me if they weren't that. Well, of course not. I would probably want to do what they wanted me to do and I would do it. Yeah. Be yourself up or not do it and feel guilty. Or I would just do it and then be miserable. Yeah, yeah. Um, so I'm lucky.

Yeah. But anywho. So that was exciting. This is all very exciting. Yeah. And to be clear, I don't care for me. Like, I don't care if my children have children for me. Right.

So that someone remembers me. It's really just about like my dad and my mom. Yes. It goes the other way. It's guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But also it's like, what does it mean? They didn't live like they did. I know. And death is death. to me like they're dead i mean except they are and they're not because there is some truth to like we make these people so alive right now as long as i'm here he's so alive yeah you know that's not helpful uh anyway okay um some facts okay so somatic therapy domatic therapy i'm doing it uh explores how the body expresses deeply painful experiences applying mind body

healing to aid with trauma recovery. Since disturbing feelings often show up in the body in debilitating ways, somatic therapy aims to drain those emotions of their power, relieving pain and other manifestations of stress, such as disrupted sleep or an inability to concentrate. These types of emotions can stem from a variety of conditions and circumstances that somatic therapy may potentially help alleviate. They include PTSD, complicated grief, depression, anxiety, trust and intimacy issues, self-esteem problems.

I can't imagine there's a human on earth without one of those. Yeah, I agree. You know, it's funny. I had therapy this week, and she said something really interesting because I was having this period of anxiety that felt really old. And I was having on these, like, old feelings come up that I thought I had like. Say goodbye to. Fully put to rest and we're gone.

So then, of course, then I was like mad at myself. I'm like, why this again? This is back? Like what? It's like failing on your part. Yeah. And she said an interesting thing. She said with loss brings back old losses.

Mm-hmm. So if there's a current loss, all these old things that are similar in feeling and body come back to the surface. Yeah, that makes sense. So you smell something that's from 20 years ago, you smelled it. It reminds you of that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so you kind of have to walk through those emotions again, which is hard.

But good to know that like that's what's happening. Anyway, that just reminded me of somatic therapy. Oh, he mentioned drinking Kalua. They would steal from friends' parents. And I was like, this is such a universal thing. That was my first drink. I think it's most people. I know.

Because it's a milkshake. But also like... Because your alcohol tastes terrible when you first try it. Right. But I don't know anyone who has Kalua. Anymore. Anymore. It does feel very 90s, 80s, 90s.

Yeah, I wonder what the new one is. I'll tell you when it looks so good as in the dude. Oh, white Russian. The white Russian. Let me make those at the bar. Like I remember watching that and just being like, fuck, I'm so mad I didn't drink white Russians. It looks so. Thick.

Yes, that. That's really like, okay, the Cirque Lodge, we kind of like, we talked about it in a way that it's as if everyone knew what it was because the three of us do know what it is, but it is a rehab center. Yeah. And I think they do multiple things. I don't know if it's just addiction. I think there's a lot of different. Oh, yeah. The Studio Cirque Lodge, Studio Alcohol and Drug Rehab Facility, luxury rehab.

Luxury Rehab. Yeah. Highly rated. Okay. How long does – I'm going to get so many flags because how long – I looked up. How long does Coke last in your system? Oh, yeah. How long?

How long is detectable? If someone has used cocaine only once, it usually detectable in urine for around three to five days. Someone who takes a larger dose or uses it occasionally, it may show up in urine for three to seven days for frequent or heavy cocaine users, five to 14 days after the last dose. So, okay, I looked up that. And if you can go 14 days between using Coke, then you're not really a heavy user. It's all kind of circular. True. Okay, now weed.

I looked up weed as well. Single first time user, up to three days. Moderate user, which is a few times a week, five to seven days. Chronic user, 10 to 15 days. Heavy chronic user, which is multiple times a day, 30 days or longer. I had always heard 30 days. Okay, so you've got to really be at that. That's someone who's every day.

Yeah. Pettled to the metal. And then meth. Oh. When I looked that up, I did get like a hotline. Oh, you did. Uh-huh. Which is great.

Yeah. It says meth can be detected in urine, blood, saliva, and even hair for different periods of time that vary from person to person. In general, it's much longer than you'd expect. Although the high from meth may only last a few minutes to a few hours, a drug can remain in your body for a much longer period of time. time. It's not saying specifics, which is, um, oh, this says can stay in your urine for up to five days. Well, what is wild is I have had drug tests show up for meth from suit of fat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I truly haven't done meth in 23 years. Yeah. Um, but I, when I was taking drug tests. Yeah. There was a period. Was like,

is this? And I had to go like, what is, what is going on? And that is I had taken suit of fat. Right. But it also says your meth can be found in a half inch hair sample for up to 90 days. Okay. So no getting away with that one, it sounds like. Let's just leave that one alone.

Yeah. Okay. The act that is there to combat prison rape is called Priya. It stands for Prison Rape Elimination Act in 2003. Okay, good. So that's great. I'm glad they finally, I think there's a big period where they were like tough shit. Yeah, exactly.

You went to prison. Like, that's on you. You deserve it. Yeah. This is gnarly. I know. That was so crazy that his cellmate was murdered his family. Yeah.

I mean. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Now, you're going to be really interested in this. So we took a pee break. Mm-hmm. And then you asked if his stream was ropey.

Yeah, yeah. And then we got on to the subject of does a larger penis, mean you have a thicker stream. So I look this up. Having a bigger penis is linked to a slower urine stream due to the longer length of the ureth. You were right. Thank you. And I was like, no, but you were right.

However, it just makes sense. I guess. However, a slow stream is more strongly influenced by other medical conditions with penis size having a minor indirect. I think your prostate has a lot to do with it. Sure. I think when guys have really enlarged prostates, it's like, constricting everything in the vas deference in urethra and then it's just a dribble drip drip drip or

i see guys all the time at the urinal and they're like trying to get it going and i'll like do my whole thing well it makes sense if anything's expanded or bloated yeah because sometimes even when i if i'm on my period or if i have a tampon in when you know which is often as it turns out um it's harder for me to pee. I don't know if that's just my body, but for me it makes sense, too, because like, then everything's, like, stuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Constricted. Yeah. So, but luckily for me, I barely ever wear tampons. Yeah. And you barely pee. Correct. Yeah. Correct. You're hitting this from a lot of different angles. But that's why it's a little, it's uncomfortable if I have to pee because I don't pee often. So when I pee, there's a fair amount of pee. Mm-hmm. So if I have a tampon in,

and I can feel like it needs to come out. It's like, it's uncomfortable. Yeah, too much fresh. All right. Oh, the happy Farrell thing. It is despicable me too. And, yeah. And a lot of,

a lot of bats before you cranked it out of the park. That's it. Well, I loved him. Me too. He's so cute. I want to take care of them. I want to buy a house and meet him and Machine Gun Kelly all live in it. Oh, that'll be fun.

You do a lot of hugging and comforting one another and a little bit like crying. Oh, cute. Yeah. Okay, bye. Love you. Love you. expert early and ad free right now by joining Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondry.com

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