Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Mom's Car: Briegh Morrison

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car, we welcome Dax’s former longtime partner and forever pal Briegh Morrison. Briegh, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through the harrowing stor...y of her son’s near-drowning, breast cancer being the catalyst for her getting sober, BFAW’s memory of Briegh’s substance-tinged boat cleaning, she and Dax’s couples therapy leading to their amicable breakup, and why one of her greatest gifts is going deep with people.#sponsored by @Allstate. Go to https://bit.ly/momscar to check Allstate first and see how much you could save on car insurance.Follow Mom's Car on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Mom's Car ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting https://wondery.com/plus now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to mom's car. Today is an incredibly special episode. Again, for anyone that listened to Armchair expert over the last seven and a half years, you've probably heard me talk a bazillion times about my ex-girlfriend, Bree Morrison, who I still just adore to no end. She's such an incredible person, an incredible mom. She's just gone through an incredible journey. And I'm just delighted that we finally got to sit down and talk.
Starting point is 00:00:30 introduce her to everybody in the armchair world. So please enjoy my ex-girlfriend, Brie Morrison. You know what's smart? Checking Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds on car insurance. You know what's not smart? Not checking that your sunroof is closed before going through the car wash. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms conditions and availability. all state North America Insurance Co and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. Don't you find that kind of charming that Kristen could drive any car, and this is her car, an entry-level Chevy Bolt?
Starting point is 00:01:27 I mean, yes. I feel the same way. about myself. I'm like, this is the one I want. And also, I don't want to wash it. Yeah, it's not for you. It just gets dirty again. You got the right color for that, which is white. I got the absolute last one. It was like COVID Mad Dash for that number. It was 2021. But it was terrible time to buy a vehicle. And I just had to get a vehicle. Mine was due at the lease shop or whatever. So I was like, I've got to go get it now. What did you come out of into that van? What had you been driving? Volkswagen. You don't even know. Ferrari. You don't care. Volkswagen.
Starting point is 00:01:59 in Ferrari? Yeah. No, it was like an SUV. Yeah. But I think I do know the name of that. Again, it was like I was trying to eat outside my class. Like I believe Aaron was originally. Tyrell, remember his old theory?
Starting point is 00:02:11 No, you can't have lobster. I can't eat outside my class. Yeah, the people in the Middle Ages would die if they had like steak. Yeah. I don't know where you would have learned that, but I actually use that a lot. In fact, the more money we have, the lower I go in general. Have you not? I'm like, I don't need to keep up with that.
Starting point is 00:02:29 That's not me. Right, but have you been infected with anything? Because, like, I can admit the things that I've been infected with. Jewelry? No, not jewelry. Jewelries are mine. I like a nice jewelry. And I also still like a nice jewelry.
Starting point is 00:02:41 And I also still like vintage clothing, but I like real nice vintage clothing. Yeah, you go, but get it from the real real? Where do you get your vintage clothes? No, I get it from this place AMT vintage in Pasadena. I'll get, like, you know, the used Gucci bag. Oh, sure. So they have high-end. They have high-end, but it's used, and it's already a little bit trash.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Like, I got these Chanel flats. So it looks like you've owned that for a while? Yeah. I just don't mind, because I will trash it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I can't not trash things. Just fast forward to it. I'm just a trash person.
Starting point is 00:03:09 You're a trash monster. You've always been a trash monster. Always. So it will get dirty and gross, so I might as well. But I still like the fancy. But you and I, well, all three of us, come from a modest background. You and I were broke for a decade together. And I do certain things now where I go like, wow, I can't believe I'm this person.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I don't have much shame or guilt about it. I've worked through most of it. But hotels, I'm such a fucking snob. Like, when you go to an incredible hotel on vacation, for me, it makes it so much better because then I don't care what we do. I'm just delighted to be at the hotel. We were at a terrible hotel last year in Norway, and I was like, I can't believe how uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:03:48 This is really humiliating. How much this is ruining. Yeah, I was like mismatch pillowcases, some silk, which I hate. I don't want public. Silk. Communal silk? No. Silks were like you and yourself.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Maybe your wife. I like a nice hotel, but I also still... That hasn't gotten you. No. Like, we're driving up to Washington. We just need to stay at like a dog-friendly motel somewhere. Like, I'll be okay with that. Although we are staying in a hotel that I really love.
Starting point is 00:04:16 You know the McMinnemans. French, Branch. Okay. There's like... I need to get hip to it. Well, McMinimans is a series of hotels. You can get points if you stay at them a lot. But they convert old cool places.
Starting point is 00:04:26 So they've converted this old nunnery. This, like, Franciscan nunnery into a hotel. In Seattle? In Bend, Oregon. So it's, like, on the way, because we're driving up. Do you remember the time we slept in Stockton on the way to go to your house, your parents' house? And there was, like, a drug dealer next door. And it was getting progressively crazier throughout the night.
Starting point is 00:04:45 And then there was, like, people being thrown against the wall. And we were like, oh, is there going to be shots fired through the wall? But I feel like that was a lot of stops on the way, on the motorcycle trip as well. Yes, yes, yes. And you would just be like, after like 10 hours. I mean, I was sleeping on the back off of you asleep. Yeah, you were just like Aaron on our road trips. Ray slept at least half of the ride from Detroit to kill.
Starting point is 00:05:07 On the back of the water cycle, it's all asleep. I wasn't even a strap. What were your plans versus, because you intended to do a ton of reading on the back of the marshal? I did do a bunch of reading. Like with an actual book. Yeah, you could just open it right up. You just really do a lot of reading. What are the pages?
Starting point is 00:05:23 The thing is we didn't. No. Oh, because you just hold up tight. Hold it tight. Don't hold on in the motorcycle at all. I just love to, like, there's no pictures from that era. Very few. You know, no one. I'm like, did I, did it happen?
Starting point is 00:05:36 Yeah, you're so right. We took no pictures. We took one picture that was really high priority to me, which is you were driving the cop car. Oh, yeah. And you were next to me on my Harley, and I had the cruise control on, and I was sitting on the back seat.
Starting point is 00:05:51 There we go. Like looking, because you could put it on your credit card if you got a Harley credit card. You should have been reading back then. You should have had one of your books. One of the greatest things I ever did was that stretch of highway where there's no exit, so there's no cops. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:04 And I went like 135 miles an hour. And that was to this day, like, purely. That's very fast for you. How fast can you go? How fast does a car go? Oh, well, it depends which one you're on. That cop car. How fast did that go?
Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh, probably 130. Yeah, 135. I mean, it had to go to 135. Well, I guess I went over. Like, it went as fast as the thing showed. And it was so thrilling. And I only did it for about 15 seconds because it was so scary. That ranks for me the Harley trip in the summer.
Starting point is 00:06:41 It was 10 days. We rode from bar to bar to bar. Remember when we went to Wisconsin and we bought everyone in the bar a drink because they were like 25 cents to eat? Yes, it was 20. And it was flooded. So people had taken their rowboats to the bar from like to the bar. bar. How did you be, like, flooded out there? No, I mean, the highway wasn't flooded. This is like
Starting point is 00:07:00 down locals. The valley was flooded. Have you been to those bars in Wisconsin where you're in someone's house? Like, there's just bars in people's houses? Love them. Yes, and I went on quite a few trips. I'm sad we never got to do one together. Yes, and probably a blessing. Well, probably, yeah. But yeah, I love those bars. Everyone has a Paps blue ribbon sign in front of their porch. So you can just go in. Anyone can have a liquor license. Yeah, that's a very Wisconsin-y thing, for sure. Where's that trip rank for you?
Starting point is 00:07:31 I actually talk about that one a lot. Well, also, because it was just so visceral. Yes. You'd be so dirty. Your arms would be so dirty. Because we had to put so much sunblock on. When you had that drink at the end, you were so good because you were just like a... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Because we put on a lot of hours in a day in a motorcycle. You deserve those drinks. Yeah, you did. Speaking of the rustic in right there was a real... An old haunt of yours? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the Fred Eric's restaurant you worked at? A Vita?
Starting point is 00:08:01 Vita. Vita. Just Vita. The one thing I'm really sad about from the fires is he had a wine key made for me that was engraved with DJ Breed because I would make all the mixes for the restaurant and somehow it like got thrown away with the cleanup. You know, because it threw away a lot of like silverware and stuff and I can't find it. My house didn't burn down, so I'm pretty lucky. It didn't burn down, but it just.
Starting point is 00:08:23 But it's poisoned with lead. No, you could wash it. Okay. And I don't use it that much anymore because I don't drink, so I'm like No, no, no, the house. Oh, the house. I'm still thinking about the wine key, guys. Okay, okay, okay. No, the house is filled
Starting point is 00:08:39 with toxic lead. Like, it's supposed to be five, and ours is 200. And this is after it was cleaned. Wait, it's supposed to be five and it's 200. Five is like the UG level for floors interior. And I just wiped it up after the cleaning and it was 200. Now, but have you considered, you never tested it before the fires?
Starting point is 00:08:58 Not before the fires. By the way, the other rooms are not that high. The windows in the kitchen and the living room blew open with the fire. So the smoke came into the living room and all the other doors I closed because I was actually very good like post-apocalyptic person. I had every battery out. I was testing the batteries. We filled every headlamp because the power was out. I had the extra water containers and the backpacks. Yeah, on it. It's really good. Where did you guys? safe harbor at. We went to the Omni downtown. We just kept looking for hotels until we found one. We had a bunch of people at our house. Oh, yeah. You offered. Thank you. That was nice. Oh, right. Yeah. I forgot I did that. It was fun. Oh, I bet. I always feel guilty about this. COVID was fun.
Starting point is 00:09:38 9-11 was so fun. Oh, my God. Remember we woke up. We were smoking cigarettes in bed watching it. God, freaking bedroom. Smoking cigarettes. We did. We like literally lit up cigarette. We were like, fuck it. We could smoke inside. It's 9-11. Like, this had just happened. We might be dead. We didn't smoke in bed every day. We didn't? I think we did.
Starting point is 00:09:57 I remember I wouldn't really open my eyes until the cigarette was in my lips and I was about to light it. The second I woke up, I was reaching for the soft pack. And then I would light it and then I'd be like, and then I'd open my eyes. Do you think back on how absolutely terrible our apartment must have been for non-smokers? We were hosting like Super Bowl parties. Didn't they all smoke too? No, Scotty had asthma and didn't smoke. Nate Coddy.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Nate smoked only when he drank. Yeah. The whole world smelled like smoke back then, though. Maybe less in California, but a little. It was a tiny apartment. Even I sometimes would be like, oh, it was very smoky. It's too smoky.
Starting point is 00:10:36 It's too smoky for me. I actually think it's so funny. I think about that apartment a lot right now because it was my, like, first remodel. Because now I'm deep in remodeling again. I actually really love it. I made that apartment so freaking cute with that giant bookshelf.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Uh-huh. is the strongest thing that's ever been made. The one I made for your birthday. That was the hugest, biggest. I think you put like four by first, like next to each other. Like, it was thick. Yeah, it's a little overbuilt. Where am I going?
Starting point is 00:11:04 Turn around. Turn around. Yes. Bree, we had Tim Lovestead in here the other day. Oh, how nice. Yeah. A lot of blast from the past. And Dax asked him, where did you guys meet?
Starting point is 00:11:16 And Tim's like, I think we met at your house in Santa Monica at the apartment. Dex said, well, that must have been a real fucking smoky apartment if Aaron was there with me and Bree. Yeah. I don't remember it because, but then again, like, my fondest memory is still holding the little ashtray in the center with my grandparents smoking. It was like a Scottish checked pattern, and I would just like let the sandbag and they would just let the ash fall over my face. Yeah. So cigarette smoke in interiors is actually like a proof. Mosty and Madeline for me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:52 So I like it. I like that you can drink and drive. Yes. Non-alcoholic beers. Well, that's what we assume. I don't know if you can or not. I certainly have. Pretty good assumption.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Yeah. I mean, you're not able to drink and drive. I go in and get it. Okay. Oh, you were saying Tim, though. Oh, yeah. A smoky apartment. So I should probably get back in nicotine, is what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:12:14 I like it. It's a good for you. It's a good product. And now you have, like, all these different delivery systems. I have the lozinge, of course. But then also, this is just straight spray. It's just straight nicotine. There's no other bullshit in me.
Starting point is 00:12:26 I just feel like I've gotten over it. When's the last time you had nicotine? Oh, geez. Oh, I'll tell you. The night before I started chemo. Okay, good for you. Went up on my roof and I smoked a cigarette. And I like cried and said all the prayers.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Like, I want to make it while smoking a cigarette. I'm not able to do this anymore. Yes. Probably not a good idea. I didn't smoke for a long time. like until Isaac was like four near drowning. I remember. And that was very stressful.
Starting point is 00:12:56 That's the most haunting story I think of heard about a kid. I just picked up a pack of cigarettes. And then my kids even know this. Like I just buy a pack of cigarettes, go behind a target parking lot, smoke, leave it there. The whole pack of it, leave it there, thinking that somebody else would want to smoke behind a target parking lot. It's an amazing place.
Starting point is 00:13:13 And I would come back like a week later and sometimes a pack would still be there. Oh my God, really? In L.A.? In L.A.? Insane. Yeah. Eagle Rock one. So basically you were just
Starting point is 00:13:23 keeping your cigarettes behind Target. Yeah. Yeah, basically. Yeah. And they'd be in the car? No. I've never smoked in the car.
Starting point is 00:13:33 No, no, no. I mean, would they be waiting in the car as you were buying in a dart behind Target? No. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. This would be sort of like,
Starting point is 00:13:40 I'm going to run to Target. And then I would go to Target and get the things I needed. And then there's two targets that I do this at. There's one that's actually. You're behind the old Macy's in Eagle Rock. It's like people are recycling on the side.
Starting point is 00:13:53 And every time I drive down the two and I look over, never see anyone there and I'm like, it's a missed opportunity. Did you have one? You shopped at and one you smoked that? No, I shot and smoked it the same. But I also would smoke behind the Lock and Yada one. Will you tell Aaron that terrible story? Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:14:12 You don't want to tell him. I mean, I can tell the story. It's like when Isaac drowned? Yes. It's just one of the most brutal stories I've ever heard. I've told so many people that story. I guess I should have asked you if you're comfortable with me. Well, let's just acknowledge this.
Starting point is 00:14:26 You're so part of us having kids, which is you probably wouldn't even remember doing this. I remember I was in Northern Michigan and you called me randomly. And you said, do not miss this. You had had a kid. Yeah. And you're like, you know me, I'm selfish. And trust me, none of the work feels like it's work. And you just can't miss it.
Starting point is 00:14:44 It's the greatest. And, of course, I already wanted to have kids. But I did get off the phone with you, and I'm like, let's go. Yeah, let's go. And I remember saying to Kristen, like, yeah, I just talked to Brie. She said it's okay. She said, it's okay. Bree's advised us to procreate.
Starting point is 00:15:01 I think I might have also called you after the drowning and said, make sure your kid goes to swim to Bill or one of those swimming classes. Well, the thing is he had already done one of those swimming classes. It was like 11 a.m. because, of course, you know, like your first thing is like, I wasn't drinking. I said to my friend, I was like, okay, you got eyes on. Isaac. I had paid to have a pool fence put up in the rental in Atlanta. Yeah. Your husband was producing a movie in Atlanta. And then it was the very first day we'd used the pool. We were in and out of the pool so much. I just took down one of the panels. And I'm sitting there. I'm holding her infant baby. And all of a sudden I just didn't hear Isaac chitter chatter. He's like a
Starting point is 00:15:37 he liked to like talk guys, you know, this little toys. And I just didn't hear him. And I stood up And the one, literal one section of the pool, I could not see he was laying face down in it. And I ran across the water, pulled up lifeless, just no breathing, no anything, threw him over the side, got up on my stomach here and started doing compressions. And because I was a teacher, there had been a teacher too, I knew, anyway, I got so good because I started doing the mouth thing too,
Starting point is 00:16:07 and you're only supposed to do chest compressions, just PSA. I started breathing, and then he started going like, And I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God, but he wasn't breathing enough. How long were you doing chest compressions and stuff before he made a noise? A minute? I mean, I don't know. Were you, I mean, I can't even imagine. Wrench crying, like, screaming the address out, call 9-1-1, whatever the address was.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I knew it. I'm like screaming it. The ambulance was there within five minutes. I mean, it was absolutely insane. But what ended up happening, the worst thing is that I ended up aspirating vomit back into his lungs because of doing the brain thing. And by the way, you're the daughter of a firefighter. If you can't get it right, what are the odds of the other than anybody going to get it right?
Starting point is 00:16:50 Anyway, you know, he was 100% fine. He's menza. Yeah, he's golden, but you had like a big wave of depression after that. Oh, huge. Joya put me on like a benzop almost immediately. And I was like, no, no, no. I don't actually like pills at all or even like, I don't even take an Advil. I was like, no, no, no, I don't want to do it.
Starting point is 00:17:07 She's like, oh, no, no, you're at risk for advanced onset aging. Like, you know, like, the people, and I was like, sign me up. Give it to me. Give it to me. You know, like when the first is like, hair, it's turning black into bright. Why? Like Obama. Yeah, like stress. Like extreme stress. We'll do that. So that was why I took it. And I remember I took it for like three days. And it just basically tamps down. You don't have the feelings. Yes. It makes it manageable. Yeah. I don't even know. Anyway, how long were you fucked up over that? I mean, no. No, it's fine. You know, I just think the guilt. You just try to be such a good mom. I don't remember. I mean, probably not too long. I tend not to. Yeah, you keep it moving. Here you go. I hated that story so much. I'm so glad I heard it because I was like, oh, right, it can happen when you're doing everything right. I think I saved many children's lives. And so none of these have come out. Yeah. No. Okay. And they get edited so we can say whatever we want. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. It won't necessarily be on. Yeah. You smell good.
Starting point is 00:18:08 I've always wanted you. I was telling Aaron that I keep trying to get this side so I don't give the camera my... What do you got? Oh, you're missing a tooth from what? Is that cancer right? A little bit. I got an infection.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I mean, I had like so many infections. It was insane. Because your immune system is completely destroyed. Yeah, when you're doing chemo. Could we start at the beginning? Oh, geez. Are you comfortable, sir, Anthony? I heard secondhand.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I'm very curious. I have to say that the two saddest moments. moments I've had for other people are both of you. I've lost parents and step-parents, and when Aaron got sick, Aaron got really sick a few years ago, I probably didn't tell you, well, five and a half years ago, six years ago now, yeah. Okay. Yeah, what did you have?
Starting point is 00:18:56 This is what led to me. Getting sober, yeah. Cancer led to me getting sober. It's funny when the thing becomes a gift, like the hard thing. But I also read, I don't remember, I keep trying to figure out which author it was, but I was in college. And they were saying that, like, you're only able to experience the amount of joy in direct opposition to the amount of suffering that you've experienced. Oh, that's not that that should be a reason for, like, going down the dark road, but.
Starting point is 00:19:23 I wonder I was all fucking happy. Yeah, no, I know. Sometimes I'm like, holy shit, I've never known joy like this before. There's something about coming through that meat grinder of anything scary like that. When you told me you had been diagnosed with cancer, I was pretty devastated. Yeah, I heard me too from Dax. How did you discover it? Well, what I really like is just how on trend I am,
Starting point is 00:19:46 because I feel like everybody has. You're nobody if you haven't gone to. No, I know. Pretty much all the coolest girls of... That business is no way to talk about it. You haven't even been through cancer yet. What's crazy is that I actually got not just mammograms. I got these extra breast ultrasounds because I had really big boobs and they were very dense.
Starting point is 00:20:02 And so I was getting... Is that up your odds? It ups your odds for not being able to detect it. So nothing detected it. I was going to start. of a hippie-diffy naturopath type doctor anyway, just, you know, optimize aging and doing different sorts of things. And she kind of randomly called in an MRI. She was like, you know, there's something, one of my sonocinase is what they're called. They're this really elaborate ultrasound
Starting point is 00:20:26 that goes in. She's like, one of them was missing. The clinic had changed ownership. One of my images was missing. She's like, well, something's different from this one and this one on the right side. So she's like, well, let's get an MRI. Let's just do it. Somehow she called it an insurance paid for it. I got it done. There's nothing on this side. This side lit up like a Christmas tree. I had like 240 gram tumor. It was 11 centimeters. It was huge, but it's lobular cancer. So it grows like a slime mold with these tiny, you couldn't even feel it. Even when I had the full tumor in there, you could not feel a lump. It wasn't hard and dense. It was like fluid cancer. It's like, it's not fluid, but it just felt like breast. No, I mean, it didn't feel like anything. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was
Starting point is 00:21:08 three centimeters, but once she got in there, she's like, oh, my God. They can visually see it once they're in there? Once she's in there, she could visually see. So when you've got that first MRI, what's the response from everyone from the second they read it? Doctors are so clinical. They were just like, you have breast cancer. No, the MRI, then they did a biopsy. So they don't know anything.
Starting point is 00:21:30 From the MRI, they're like, this doesn't look right. And then they do a biopsy, so they pull the tissue out, and then they know exactly what it is. So it's lobular, stage 2B, but they didn't know how big or how much was in there. So once they go in for surgery, she was able to get all the margins. They took a bunch of lymph nodes, hadn't spread to my lymph nodes. Okay, that's great. But as you told me, it had left the breast, right, and it made its way almost into your armpit? No.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Well, it was really almost all the way to the wrist. Actually, my surgeon did a great job. Sorry. No. Okay, so once they got in there, though, once they got in there, they took it out, and then there's the cancer surgeon, and then there's the reconstructive surgeon.
Starting point is 00:22:13 So he kind of tried to make the right one sort of match the left one, but they had to take so much out of the left one that he didn't take as much out of the right. So it was a little lopsided for a minute. You know, I didn't think I was going to have to do chemo, but then they run your numbers, and they're like, you're this age, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:22:27 So then I ended up having to do chemo. I did 30 rounds of radiation last summer. 30, yeah. I mean, it was black. The skin was, like, falling off. It's like getting a sunburn and then being like, all right, let's go to the beach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just get another sunburn.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Right after the surgery. Six weeks after the surgery, I started chemo. Six weeks after chemo, I started radiation. Okay. And then six weeks after radiation, they put me on all the meds, which I'm now on. And then I also had reconstruction. And they basically take fat, which is great. They take fat in, like, my waist.
Starting point is 00:22:57 And then I like, fluff it up. Oh, wow. Yeah. You didn't have to have a saline implant? No, which is great. But what was great is. I had a lot to offer to take away. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, do you think that God smited you because you valued your boobs too much? Well, that's, well, this is one of those things were, I actually definitely... If I got a cancer, it would definitely be dick. I definitely feel smote. Yes. Pride goes before the fall. Vanity is a sin.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I definitely was, I was so devastated about losing any of the tissue. You're God's gift. And now I'm like super stoked because I get like all these new clothes and they look different. I look thinner and I like it. So I'm into it. But again, you don't know what the gifts are going to be until you go through. And how did you do with all the sympathy that came your way? I tried to imagine all the different stages of this.
Starting point is 00:23:46 It's, of course, very hard to imagine. Someone looking at you and going, yeah, okay, you have tons of cancer. Like, that's certainly a moment. But I called you, I'm like, I just want to be with you. I loved that part because I am super, super social. I want to always be chit-chatting with people. Right. So anyone who wanted to, like, come around and hang out
Starting point is 00:24:05 with me, but you kind of had three different camps. You had the people who were just like, I want to spend as much time with you before you die. Sure. Or, you know, just I want to make sure I spend quality time with you. Those, I was like super happy. And that was really fun. There were the people who were just like, your cancer is too hard for me. And they just kind of leave.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Like, they're just gone. Were you not naming anyone? Were there a couple that shocked you? Like, wow, I thought we were closer than this. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And has there been residual damage?
Starting point is 00:24:35 How much from that or you got over it? I kind of get over it because, again, I'm an unlimited well of put in more conversation, just put in more people. I just always want to be social. Or it was just like where I would still hang out with them, but I had to do a lot of like, it's okay. Yeah, comforting them. Most people were just fine. I also love to get A pluses. I've always got A pluses.
Starting point is 00:24:59 I'm like a 4.0 student. And I got a fucking AP level A plus. In cancer? Yeah. I'm not shocked. No, I did so good. I tried to always explain. When I tried to explain our time together to people, I go, well, this was the pattern. Whatever I did, Brie came and did much better immediately. Like, I worked at Chosen Chuse people like me. You went there and my mom was like, I want to give her the company. I was very good at Chosen Towson. But I've also come to realize that about myself is that you aren't going to find someone who works. more. You know, like I'm always moving, always cleaning, but I don't really like the pressure
Starting point is 00:25:44 of big jaw, like, I don't know. Right. Let's keep that in mind for somewhere down the road in this conversation, you cleaning a certain boat maybe after sniffing a lot of drugs. Do you remember this story? Oh, my God. I don't know if I remember. I didn't tell it again. I don't know. Cleaning a boat. is something I've done so much. Oh, my God. Okay. This is from my memory. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:11 These are all, by the way. From my iron claw. Yeah, this is fact. Yeah. Dean's house, Dean Nichols, or Dean and Michelle, their first house, which they were the first to get a house. Detroit, what a treat, so cheap. Doesn't fill you up. You're right, low calorie.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Yeah, a little bit will go a long way. Or you can just do a whole bit and, you know, deal with it for a few, three or four days. Yeah, so I remember my first time, I think it was four day. Like, the fourth day was insane. Yeah, yeah. Where you are actually maybe losing your mind. You might be too far gone, like that kind of thing. And I think it was this time because a lot of days went after this.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Like, I remember days by myself. And I was still rolling. Those are the worst. You're experiencing my life. Right. So I think day one, though. We're all partaking and partying. Was I partaking?
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah, yeah. If you recall, you have, I'm going to guess five times you did it. Yeah, I would say because I was not, because I don't need it. My memory, Ironclad. I remember the girls like you doing a little, but then we were hoarding. Yeah. And you and I, especially, and you were probably hoarding even more than for me. Sure.
Starting point is 00:27:35 And then we hoard it from Dean and everyone else. I'm the layers of loyalty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. I remember you guys did a little, but a little was enough. And was it meth? Yeah, it was fucking math. Listen, you'll remember because you were working, we won't say your name,
Starting point is 00:27:49 but you were working at Fred Siegel, and the girls at Fred Siegel did meth. Oh, yeah. Right? I mean, for the most part, the very first time we ever met, Nate and I were doing meth for the first time. Oh, my gosh, yeah, that's what we just. Franklin Hills, actually.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah, like Brooks. Brooke's house, yeah, yeah. So we had gotten it from one of your coworkers. Okay, got it. Around Michael Turina area. I had brought it home on the plane so that they could try this great drug guy of this coverage. Which ended up being hell. I asked for more, and I remember you sent me some further down the line.
Starting point is 00:28:23 That was terrible. Can you get more of that? Yeah, I mean, the first couple of days were great. Yeah, sure. When you were just horny and not crazy yet. Right, yeah, yeah. Those are fun. And you can, you know, just drink and excessive.
Starting point is 00:28:35 of a mile. So the next morning, this is what you have to remember. Butch Dean's dad comes over because he always does this shit. He comes over and it's like 10, 11 in the morning and we're all up as if, but we all try to pretend we're just getting up and we're having a good weekend and the fucking yard is fucked. We're still drinking. It gets a little uncomfortable too much maybe for something to handle. You, and I think, Michelle, the boat was in the driveway, and you were cleaning that fucking boat for, I mean, what seemed like the entire morning, like, after the sun came.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I think it was before, yeah, when Bush showed up, you were already cleaning the boat. Oh, I'm sure. So you were cleaning the boat. Dex was overly trying to compensate that, like, to prove to him we are sober. So he was just talking to him so much and chewing his lips off and like to make it seem like it's normal. Yeah, so that, you know, that fucking, of course, we all know that horrifying feeling
Starting point is 00:29:50 like later knowing what we did it. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, my God. Yeah, like we won't even let him go until we... Until we've proven it. On a count of just getting up in the break of the sleep. Yeah, breakfast, we already had it. Yeah, we had it.
Starting point is 00:30:07 After we woke up. We were starving. We have our full appetites. Going to get that boat clean. That's what the girls are doing. We've got the women out. We're going to work on the boat. We're going to work on the engine when they're done.
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Starting point is 00:32:37 No. But I will look back and be like, oh, I was trying to be so on top of everything in my life in order for nobody to like, you know, question having a little extra or whatever, which is this weird thing. And it probably just started even back then. Well, I always think, too, you were in a tricky position to ever evaluate your dream. drinking because you live with someone who is going very hard all the time and doing drugs. Yeah. And so relative to me, you had your ship fully together. You could have had a roommate that you might have been like, oh, I drink a lot.
Starting point is 00:33:14 I mean, I drink much more than she does. Or like Scotty. Scottie was a heavy drinker, but he had to say to me, you can't drink at my house anymore. Like so relative to me. Yes. I also stopped drinking as much. You know, I wasn't binge drinking when I was a working person. stuff. So I feel like, oh, well, that was then. That's when I was partying in my 20s and that was
Starting point is 00:33:35 like an era. And now I'm a responsible drinker. Yes. I weirdly have become grateful that I didn't have a drinking habit that was in the gray zone. Mine was just so obviously untenable that I had to stop. And I just have a lot of friends who it's like, they're not sure if it takes more than it gives. Sure. It's like hard to figure that out. No, I feel like I felt like that for a long time. Yeah, and I've always just kind of been more like, I almost would rather just be a drunk and then you got to quit and then you don't even have to even ever evaluate it anymore. Yeah, it's just over. How did your parents take it? Because now obviously that you have kids, I just can't imagine that call.
Starting point is 00:34:12 They kind of went into go mode. My mom, she came down. You're your mother's daughter. Yeah, exactly. She came down for the surgery. She had all my meds ready to go and just was really taking care of the household, taking care of the kids, doing all of that. One of my favorite things is there was, like, a journal, my meds after the surgery. And then it was all, Bree thinks Bree is, I wish I remembered what I said.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Like, Bree thinks Bree is okay. Brad thinks Bree is not okay. It was like, like, I thought I was like totally fine, but I was on, like, oxy and stuff, you know. Breed thinks Bree's okay, but. Brad's not so sure. That's so funny. My dad was good, too. They were perfect, not alarmist.
Starting point is 00:34:54 And then Joya, of course, went into full doctor. mode. Yeah. This is a good time to have a best friend that's an ER doctor. Every really walked me through the emotional parts
Starting point is 00:35:03 that were really the hardest part of all of it was the fear. She deserves a shout out too. When my dad was diagnosed, I called her. I was like, here's what the diagnosis is
Starting point is 00:35:12 and she goes, yeah, there's nothing that can be done. He's going to die in a few months. And so proceed accordingly. And I was like, oh my God, I'm so glad someone just told me, we have no magic silver bullet
Starting point is 00:35:21 for small cell carcinoma. Don't waste your time trying to fly to some other No, no, no, no, just get in there and spend as much time. Go hang out. Yeah, yeah. I actually, one of my biggest regrets was not reaching out to your dad before. It was hard, but I felt like it wasn't my place, so I just didn't.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I did reach out to buttons. You did? Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. You did. Buttons. Dave Buttons. Oh, sweet Dave Buttons.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Yeah. Were you on the trip where he got named Dave Buttons? Maybe. Oh, yeah, you told me, but I feel like... I don't know. We went twice to an all-inclusive place. I went once with you and I went. once with Carrie, and I can't remember what trip was on.
Starting point is 00:35:58 But basically, we were checking in. Was your mom wasn't with Buttons when you were with Carrie? Yeah, she was. Buttons was around when I got there, or soon and after. I think 10th grade, they started dating. Oh, okay. Never mind. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:12 10th grade for me and Carly, yeah, was in fourth grade or something. Because, yeah, he was very much her dad. But yes, we're checking his name was Dave Barton, and we're checking into this all-inclusive hotel, and we've all just gotten off a plane. So there's a line of like 15 people that are checking in. And Barton and his soft voice, they're like reservation name. And he goes, oh, Dave Barton. And then a guy like four behind us goes, excuse me.
Starting point is 00:36:38 No, excuse me. I'm Dave Buttons. Oh, that's right. I'm Dave Buttons. And Barton goes, no, I'm Dave Barton. And for some reason, neither of them can hear that it's two different names. The guy keeps going, this man's trying to check in in my name. I'm the real Dave Buttons.
Starting point is 00:36:54 I think it was Terry, because I remember hearing the story. And Barton was like, I'm the real Dave Barton. It was insane, but the best part was we get into our room and, of course, all of our luggage is there. His is not there, and there's an earring suitcase in our room. And Barton's like, he just can't figure out where his bag is. It's so weird that it. And I go, Barton, clearly Dave Button's had your bag.
Starting point is 00:37:16 And this is Dave. And maybe it was. It's so hard sometimes whether you know if you were there or you just heard the story so many times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We don't know either. We've been wrestling with that a lot later. But anyways, I pick up the phone.
Starting point is 00:37:27 The room's registered to Dave. And I said, I swear to God, I call up and I go, hi, can I be connected to Dave Button's room? And they go, sir, you're in Dave Button's room. And I go, no, I'm in Dave Barton's room. And they go, oh, yes, sorry, you are in Dave Barton's. So then they patch me through to Dave Button's room. And he picks up, he's like, hello? And I go, buttons, it's Barton.
Starting point is 00:37:50 I go, do you have a bag in your room? Because we have an extra room. He's like, yes, I do. Okay, what's the room? I'm going to get it. Oh, like that. You're calling from Dave Buttons. Now I'm really feeling like I was definitely there.
Starting point is 00:38:04 I feel like that's basically the only thing we talked about for the rest of the trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Buttons. Okay, good. So you called him. No, I went up to Oregon and saw them. Great. Just on a random trip that I went up there.
Starting point is 00:38:16 But I went up there to see him. To see him. Was it 2016, maybe? You know, I'm so fucking bad with dates. What I remember is that I had taken Lincoln at three years old to North Carolina, just her and I. And then when Delta turned three, I was like, I'm going to take you to Michigan. It was like springish summer. That trip was planned.
Starting point is 00:38:34 And then I ended up kind of last minute going to see my mom in Barton. And when I was there, things were quite untenable and bad. I had to like talk to the hospice woman and find out. I don't know what you want me to say or not want me to say. Yeah, it's legal here. I get in Oregon, right? Is it legal there? It's legal, but he would have had to.
Starting point is 00:38:53 You can go get it, but you've got to go in person and prove your mentally sound. And he was intending to do that, and he missed his window. All of a sudden, he was just stuck in bad and he couldn't go. So I said to the woman, I don't know what you want me to say or not say. And she said, don't worry, I've been in this situation lots. What I'm going to say, I heard you ask, is how can we keep him very comfortable? So let me show you the schedule of drugs that is you have to do it this way. And these are the ones that are at your discretion as he needs it.
Starting point is 00:39:18 And she kind of walked me through what's going to get measured at the end, what's not, what's loosey-goosey. and said, I'll be back. And then at one point, he was unconscious when he was foaming, and my mom was freaking out, and she came back. And I was like, what do he's foaming? And she's like, don't worry, I have drops for that. Let me go get drops. So it was interesting.
Starting point is 00:39:33 I was like, all unspoken. I then left there and immediately, I just flew to L.A., went home, grabbed Delta, brought her back, got on a plane, and went to Detroit. And on that flight to Detroit with her, I was like, holy cow, that was a crazy three days. Because it took a couple days, two and a half days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is gnarly.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Why don't even bring that out? I know, because I saw him, because anyway, regrets. Do you think you would have been nervous to call my dad because it would have felt disrespectful to Kristen? Yes, that was 100% the case. Actually, it was so sweet. There was like a, must have been on social media at some point where you guys were all in the hospital.
Starting point is 00:40:09 And that's the only way I even knew it was close to the end was because of this. And I had a really strong desire to reach out at that time. Oh, because Kristen was pregnant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, you'd just been able to tell him. I was like, this just isn't. Let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Is Brad friendly with his exes? No. Right. And either is Kristen. And so I think initially when Kristen I started dating, you were still coming over a lot because my mom was living at my house. You were around even in like the first month or two we were dating. And she initially was like, this is really wild.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Like I'm not friends with any of my exes. I don't hang out with any of my exes. And I'm like, I'm friends with all mine, pretty much. Over time, she got super comfortable with it and absolutely at ease with it. But it is interesting. There's been a couple moments where I was like, oh, is that potentially hurtful? Like, I did a live show in Seattle, and I, of course, invited your parents. Yes, they were very excited.
Starting point is 00:41:03 And I had the sweetest time with your dad imaginable. And I just love them so much. I would say, like, oh, I'm inviting Brie's parents to show. I'm like, is that one going to be a thing? It's interesting when you extend it out. Maybe it's a little trickier, like the parents thing. Definitely. I mean, I've talked to your mom over the years here and there, or if she's been in
Starting point is 00:41:22 We had lunch. Losing the relationship with your mom was one of the hardest parts. Because I remember when we went to therapy, initially, like, sort of like, let's work this out. And immediately he was sort of like, you know, I know my job is to keep people together, but I very clearly see this as me helping you guys break up, like a healthy disillusion. Yeah, exactly. But I feel like we worked that out, you know, with help and all that. And it felt very natural.
Starting point is 00:41:46 I think we should even back up. My best friend when I was in Washington was your ex-boyfriend, Aaron. And when you were in Michigan, your best friend was my ex-girlfriend, Carrie. Oh, yeah, love Carrie. William, Michelle, all that whole crew, but also but your mom. Oh, I'm only pointing out like, you and I were already always very comfortable with that. And you and I were both the kind of people that stay friends with our exes. Yeah, that just doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:42:08 But yes, I definitely felt that Chris and I didn't want to step on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's very sweet that you felt like missing my mom would be a big one. Yeah, that was a big deal. Because she loves you. You know, I mean, like, I was so young. And for so long, she was very much a mom figure to me. I still have Lorba's.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Who doesn't? Do you know that Bree's husband, Brad, and Kristen went on a date in college? Did they not go on? No, she was dating one of his friends. She thinks they went on a date. Oh, me, he'll like that. She tells people, you should tell him. I mean, maybe they, maybe he's cute.
Starting point is 00:42:45 But she was dating someone that he was good friends with? That he was friends with. Maybe they came after. It could have. She thinks they went on a date. I like it. She doesn't think anything really happened, but she thinks she went on a date. How could that possibly happen in this universe?
Starting point is 00:42:58 No, isn't that one? I mean, there's so many random weird, I mean, super fan, Kristen. But I like to see similarities between us. You and Kristen? Yeah. Which ones? Just kindness and beauty and intelligence. No, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:43:15 No, but you know what quality you both have, which is super hardworking? hot. Yeah. Great moms. Yeah. No, something that you guys have that I value so much is I think you, too, above any other people I've ever met, you have your opinions and your position, but you're really able to listen to another point of view and consider it and integrate it. Neither of you guys are like stuck. You're very fluid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would agree with that about myself. I know Kristen well enough to know. For me, it's an imperative quality because I'm most. interesting going like, oh, I feel this way. Okay, now I'm going to really make myself try to believe I'm a Republican and I think that's killing a baby. Okay, yeah, I get that. If you think that's killing a baby, that's got to be your number one issue. You've got to stop killing babies. That's got to be above tariffs and everything else. I get it. They'll go like, well, he's racist. But yeah, but if you're evaluating racism against killing a baby, that's a very simple decision. So I love pending time thinking that way. And I think if I was just
Starting point is 00:44:20 with someone who's like, no, and this. It's got to be this way. Yeah. But I do think it is a funny small world, even that they went to college and ran in the same circles. It's impossible. But I also think it was helpful in Kristen opening up to the notion that you could be trusted
Starting point is 00:44:36 and be friends. I think the fact that your partner was a guy she liked. Oh, sure. Was interesting. I felt like that was a good thing. I think it was really that she wanted to get her hands on Mac. She was really willing to really put anything aside in order to get a piece That's true.
Starting point is 00:44:51 That was also a big building moment, is that. I mean, you guys had him for like six months. Did we? The long as we had him? You had him the whole time we were in Australia. God, I love Max so much. She's the first animal I love. She, like, used him for sort of larky things on the internet.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Yes, yes, yes. He was, like, always doing dumb shit. Yeah, he was an influencer when he was with her, as he was always meant to be. Yeah. Talk about, though, the craziest, like the world's two things. small. I was in New York with Kristen we're walking on the street and there's a guy on
Starting point is 00:45:26 a bicycle and in a basket he has a little Brussels Gryphon. And I stop, as I always stopped and look at Brussels Gryphon because of Mac. And I'm looking at this dog and I'm like, it's Mac. What? I go, man, this dog looks so much like this little Brussels
Starting point is 00:45:42 I watch sometimes named Mac. And he immediately goes, wait Mac, who was the girl who originally Margarita Leviva who's doing a show with Bradford? And we got to sit down and talk about Mac for like an hour a few weeks ago. She's on Dareneville. She remembers the moment. It's funny because I felt like I had stolen him from her.
Starting point is 00:46:01 And she was like, no, like, I knew he was supposed to be with you. Yeah, Billby was DLB, number one dog of all time. So this was Mac? It was Mac's brother. And I go, he goes, wait, Mac who Marguerite adopted? And I'm like, yes. And lo and behold, Mac used to be a New Yorker. And then Brie took him to New York, which is one of your funniest stories.
Starting point is 00:46:27 You say you took him outside of the hotel and set him down on the ground. You know he was this big. And he just immediately was like, that's right. And he was strutting around New York as it was his city. I mean, he strutted around everywhere. He walked across the stage at UCLA. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he walked across.
Starting point is 00:46:44 I had him tucked away in my, he's been to Disney World. I took him on the Gravitron. You can't bring a dog to Disney World, can you? Yes, no, I snuck him in. Oh, right, but you're not informally allowed to. Okay, great. That's great. He went everywhere.
Starting point is 00:46:57 The Gravitron was really when Brad was like, okay, babe. Like, I don't think he wants to be on the Gravitron. He's not going to enjoy the Gravitron. He's not going to enjoy the Gravitron. Was Brad instantly at ease with us being friends? Yeah, I feel like because he came in, we were already friends. Right, right. So it didn't really, yeah, I don't remember it ever bothering him.
Starting point is 00:47:16 He's so radical. Oh, my God. He's the best. Now, do we have. have any overlap? With what? Like you and Kristen share that thing. Do Brad and I share anything? He's very ambitious. He is very ambitious. Very smart. I always said you should have started a tailing agency because you found me and I was a directionless drunk. No, same. And Brad's like, I picked you up
Starting point is 00:47:36 in a Honda Civic and like literally did not have a job. He just uncovered a picture because we were looking for pictures of Maisie for her bat mitzvah and stuff. And he uncovered a picture of me installing a toilet paper roll holder at his apartment. Because he didn't even have a toilet paper roll holder. So I went to Home Depot, bought him a screwdriver and, like, put it in. But you know her husband, who she met, who was Penning List, he was doing EPK, maybe, running a video camera on Iron Man? He was the producer's assistant, like, in coffee and great and chef.
Starting point is 00:48:07 But he also, by the way, had an Emmy at that time. He had, like, a Webby and an Emmy for web content. But now it's Kevin Feigy and him at Marvel. He's like the baddest motherfucker at Marvel. So when we broke up, I think certainly in retrospect, it was time for that. Amicable as it could be when you're with someone that long. So like the breakup was manageable, but I will say for a while, I did think, well, I'll never be in love with someone again in that way. I had a deep fear.
Starting point is 00:48:36 I'm like, oh, I don't think I'll ever really feel the way I felt about Brie with anybody. I was quite scared of that. Yeah, I think it's so funny because for me, it basically, was that I fell in love with someone while we were dating and was sort of like, oh shit, I can't do both things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:55 But I actually very quickly did not like that guy after that. So sometimes I wonder, like, did I just let myself get tangled up in those feelings in order to do what I knew was going to serve ultimately, which was that we needed
Starting point is 00:49:11 to not be together? And I don't know what, too, if you have in a relationship with someone for so long, can you go back and then not? Can you go back and then not have an open relationship? Oh, right. Well, I will say, so ours was, I would say, by all accounts, quite successful to go nine years open. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Four years for me. That's a terrible news. I got to have a whole round of guilt tonight. No. No, because I did actually. What's so funny is, again, I think that it's like, I don't really get mad. No, I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Or I just don't really, like, I just. Great qualities and a kind of a sad place. Yeah, but the whole human experience is so complicated. Why would you waste any time, like, begrudging someone? When I look back, there's really nothing I regret. But I will say, I can see the things that also field you and I, which is like, I think for myself, I was inclined to be smarter and transcendent of this thing that lesser smart people were trapped in.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Okay. If that makes any sense. Yeah, okay. Like, I like the idea when I'm crafting my story of who I am, that other people succumb to this, and I don't. I'm above this. Yeah. Like, yes, my girlfriend may like other boys at times, but I can handle that and I'm kind of above that. I think I felt the same way about that.
Starting point is 00:50:34 I don't remember any being mad at you ever, really. I mean, we had some fights when we were drunk. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was hard because we were drunk a lot. Yes, yes, we were drunk a lot. But I think in general, like, we didn't, almost never, ever, ever fought. Yeah, I really seems like Aaron and I's friendship.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Yeah, I just never fought. Yeah, I don't really get incensed. I just don't really get mad. When I think back of that period, my whole 20s where it was like, I had moved to this state to do this thing, and I was failing at it. I was pretty certain I was going to continue to fail at it. Like, I wasn't optimistic about it. The kind of burden of my ambition is not good enough word for it,
Starting point is 00:51:15 but just I have to do something special. I have to be special. Everyone has thought I was special growing up, and I have to deliver. And like the weight of that was quite intense. Did you have that? No. Okay, because when you were saying that cancer was pleasurable,
Starting point is 00:51:31 I relate, but I relate in the way that I would have an excuse to, like, take my foot off the gas and not have to evaluate how much I'm doing and am I achieving my potential and all that. But that's not what was comforting to you about it. Yeah, no. It does make any sense. It does make sense because I know.
Starting point is 00:51:45 know a lot of it's like... Because you have the drive to go get all A's, but you didn't feel this enormous. Also because I think truly, truly, truly, I wish I had just stayed in school and have been like an English professor because I really just like working in the world of ideas, talking, thinking about the way people think. That's why I love reading so much because it's really just looking inside people's brains and just listening to all their deepest inner thoughts. And that's my favorite thing to do. Or like, I wish I would have become a therapist or something. But I remember I remember when I was working for Gavin and Greg, I was really like, okay, I'm supposed to have ambition now, I'm supposed to like do something in this industry, I'm smart, I owe
Starting point is 00:52:22 it to the world to like make it. But I never knew what making it looked like for me. Like you knew you wanted to be a comedian, you wanted to get the most laughs, you want to have the biggest audience. Right, right, right. I never really knew what making it looked like because I didn't have a goal. My goal is always just like I want to be wherever I am and talking to the people that I'm talking to and getting into it.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Yeah. Which is also, I think, one of the things I really liked about drinking is because it's so funny how many people are so sad that I don't drink. So sad. Oh, I bet. Sure. You're a good time. They're just like, oh, like, it's almost as if my drinking gave them permission to have a good time. Yes.
Starting point is 00:53:01 And it's so hilarious to me. So I'm like, on the one hand, I'm like, well, thank God they're not like, oh, God, she really needed to quit. You know, like it wasn't like people. Yeah, people aren't going few when you tell them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, great idea. But it is funny to me. I'm like, no, one of my gifts is really just being in the moment with the people that I'm with. Yes.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And alcohol, especially, can loosen people up to go deeper with themselves and with the people around them. You're almost committing to the hang because you're like, well, we're going to be drunk in a little bit. And then we can't go to work or go exercise. No. I sit here and just keep shooting the shit. Yes, we have no choice. I'll stay up all night and shoot the shit. Yes. And that's what's so great now is when I'm around the bonfire with my family and things.
Starting point is 00:53:41 I'm still the last one up. I'm still talking to everybody. And what I've also realized, so my daughter's bat mitzvah was just this Saturday. And my Gigi, my grandma, Winkle, she was famously sober for many years, but she's always like, Brie, it's fine. As long as you start out sober with everybody, you'll just feel as drunk as everybody else by the end of the night. She's like, you just can't go into it. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:03 You can't show up where everyone's hammered. No. So even by the end of the night, I'm now seeing that more and more. I'm getting more validation that that's the case. Yes. And it loosens my grip on feeling like, I'm. I'm supposed to participate in that way because I feel like, oh, I'm still bringing every bit as much as I was bringing to the table as I was before.
Starting point is 00:54:19 More so. And I get to wake up and remember it and, like, have more fun and feel great the next day. Yeah, feeling great in the morning was such a rare. It doesn't annoy you at all. Like when people get really super wasted? Yeah. And staying up all night with them. You know, it just depends.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Not with my family. Like, I still like it because, like, my brain is myelinated to know these people so well at this stage of drunkenness, too, you know, that I just, like, fall right into some of the same conversations that we still need to have, you know, many, many years later. It doesn't annoy me that much. It definitely annoys me sometimes when people are, you know, a little too drug. But then I just go to bed, and that's why they're disappointed. Let me ask you this. There's kind of a cliche, but I think there's some merit to it that girls fall harder, but guys fall longer.
Starting point is 00:55:05 There's something about the pattern. We just had an expert on, like, women and more relationships than girls. guys and relationships. That was interesting to me. Girls tend to break up with boys more than boys break up with girls. Is that because the girl has another option? I don't know what the explanation is. Where I'm going with this is we broke up. Well, I was just very disoriented for a while. I remember an exact moment where I was just very disoriented for a while and I was shooting a movie in New York City. Staying at the Maritime Hotel and there's this a great Italian restaurant downstairs and it's outside, and I was out there in New York City by myself, and I was single.
Starting point is 00:55:46 And even though we were in an open relationship, obviously never felt single. Sure. I wouldn't have taken anyone on a date. And I just had this moment, and we had been broken up for probably maybe a year at that point. And I remember going, oh, this is fun. I'm single in New York City. And I work two days a week. And it kind of lifted a bit.
Starting point is 00:56:05 But the part that didn't lift for me, and I'm curious if you relate at all, is what was hugely important to me always from the moment we broke up is I pray she meets someone that she falls in love with. I just thought about it a lot. And I was just so hopeful that you would find someone that you loved a lot again. Yeah. And I just remember being so happy about Brad. No, Brad, I think more than. I was so happy about, I mean, I was so happy. So one of the hardest things about when we broke up was that I really had my head around.
Starting point is 00:56:44 We were going to have kids. Yes. We had a house now. Like, it was going to be this thing that I wanted. I was getting on in years, you know, like these were the things. Well, we had always said, oh, when you turn 30, we'll have a kid. So it was like around that time. I mean, I met Brad on my 30th birthday.
Starting point is 00:56:59 But I think I was like 28 or 29 when we were like kind of bring. Anyway, I was like, I'm going to find. And I kept dating people who... At civics? No. I was like trying to date people who like had some scratch. We're established. And we're already established.
Starting point is 00:57:13 And it just wasn't working. And I was like, I need to be in love. Like I have to be in love. I'm a real romantic. So when I met Brad and was like very much swept off my feet, never looked back. We went straight. You know, we always just said one, two, three, we're married and made it happen. I was like, no, I was so grateful.
Starting point is 00:57:31 But I think it was so funny because I was really worried about losing. the thing I wanted for my future was great family experience. And also, I think that went into, like, losing your mom and feeling like, well, that's my, you know. Yeah. Well, I had the same thing in that I was a bit panicked because I was 32 when I met Kristen. I was thinking, like, I'm supposed to be getting you pregnant right now. My timeline was like, at 32, that was going to start. And I was like, well, I have to date someone for at least a couple years before I have kids.
Starting point is 00:58:00 I got to find out if they're really good. I got to live with them, all that. And I just remember feeling very pressured about that. One, I was dating before I met Kristen, I was like, if three weeks I thought, this isn't like a huge, I'm like out. Oh, I was going through on. Yes. And, you know, with the high bar.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Yes, yes, yes. Word. You guys were doing the same thing. Were you ever worried? Like, boy, I hope he falls in love again. I have a hunched not. I mean, I don't think I think about it much, but because I guess from my perspective because your career was really sort of meteoric in that moment. And it also just felt like
Starting point is 00:58:39 I couldn't keep up with that. So like I sometimes felt like, well, we didn't just break up because of XYZ. It was also, I didn't know how to keep up with this new really big thing that was happening in your life. Yeah. And I didn't really know where I fit. I was so bad at that. I was very bad at letting you feel like it was our money. No, definitely was not ours. And I don't think it was I remember, like, buying a dress for a premiere, to go to one of your premieres and going to a thrift store and not feeling like I can really afford the dress that I wanted. Oh, man. Which is fine, because I think that's not fine. It's regrettable.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Is your girlfriend homeless? You should really get your assistant a nice regret. My assistant, that's my wife. Why are you in a tuxedo? No, but because to me, the joke was always, I'm in really good company because you were dating all these, you know, hot celebrity gals. Oh, sure, once we broke out.
Starting point is 00:59:43 I was never thinking you were going to fall in love. You were freaking hanging out with, you know, these big time. I was like, okay. You may have anything you might have thought like, this guy might end up with Natalie Borman. No, I'm fine. I know, you're real true dream. You got out here, what number?
Starting point is 00:59:56 I do. So how many episodes are you guys doing of this? 12. 12. Uh-huh. Is it all blast from the past? This is the last one. Ooh, last but that's the least.
Starting point is 01:00:09 You had Tim? We did have Tim Lovstedt. We had Nate, Kristen, Monica, Jackie Tone, Kristen's friend. Okay. From their new show to Tim Simons. You know him. Oh, no, you don't watch TV. I was going to say V.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Really tall. Oh, yeah. Oh, I do know. I actually did watch Kristen's show. Did you like it? I did. Nobody wants this. Aaron and I watched it together in Texas.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Okay. We were down in the bus going from grocery store to grocery store to meet people for Ted Seekers. Oh, yeah. And we put it on in that first kiss right down there on the sidewalk. We both got heated up. It happened, and I paused it. And I go, what do you think of that kiss?
Starting point is 01:00:49 And Aaron's like, that was incredible. No, that kiss was famous. It's like maybe the best kiss I've ever seen in a movie. It did a great, really great. act they did excellent acting acting acting really good acting and Aaron goes is she ever kissed you like that I go no he goes I don't know who I want to kiss me more her or him yeah I just want to be involved in that yeah exactly that's everyone get me in you will watch the ones where like everyone's talking about it you kind of have to watch it I mean
Starting point is 01:01:27 I, like Aaron and Sarah Foster, I had sort of followed them loosely on social media because a really good friend of mine worked for a company that did the whole favorite daughter thing and really still like free stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, yeah. George, sure, get there, fucking goosey. I want a key chain. I'm on a key chain. What do you got? You got any watch them.
Starting point is 01:01:54 I don't know if you remember this, but Josh and I wrote a sketch about that. Yes, yes. We want a Frisbee. Like all the things the guys want. And it was like, you got to maintain washing machines back there. But I got a bunch of free t-shirts from that company part of their campaign. And I'd follow them. So because I just sort of followed them, and I'd never do she was a writer, producer, Aaron Foster.
Starting point is 01:02:17 So when she did it, and then I thought Kristen was in it, I was like, oh, I got to watch that. Yeah, I'll give this a shot. Yeah, I'll give this a shot. And thank God, because every single human being was talking about it. I mean, I actually watch everything. Kristen's in. And no weird, but I really love the good place. She just has good taste, you know. And she's insanely talented. Yes. No, I know. So I only watch the best things. And she's in all of the best things. Well, can I tell you the thing that I think that you guys have the most? It's just how
Starting point is 01:02:43 I feel. Yeah. Which is I admire both of you so much. And I realize that's a rare thing to get in a partner is that I just admire you so much. I like who you are so much. That's so nice. You're just one of the greats of all time. I'm glad our life's worked out so well. Me too. We did a good job. Yay. It all worked out.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Well, I love you. I'm so happy you did this. This was so fun. It was fun. And I think your short curly hair is very cute. I know it's so funny. It's so fun. It's so funny.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I like it's my David Hasselhoff era, but I also look like, well, I kind of look like a blanche and Dorothy. Dorothy and Dorothy. Dorothy. I don't know.

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