Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Mom's Car: Jackie Tohn

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car, we welcome longtime pal and Nobody Wants This supporting star Jackie Tohn. Jackie, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through comparisons between the smells of broccoli and feet, being a part of the most streamed comedy of all time, getting hit on at the podiatrist, the story of how Jackie ended up with Dax and Kristen’s dog, invoking Esther Perel to settle a write-in question about sexual intimacy, and the gang try to out-Andrew Dice Clay each other.#sponsored by @Allstate. Go to https://bit.ly/momscar to check Allstate first and see how much you could save on car insurance.Follow Mom's Car on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Mom's Car ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting https://wondery.com/plus now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello and welcome to Mom's Car. Today, one of my friends Jackie Tone is on. Jackie is an incredible singer. She's a comedian. She's also a great actor. You would have definitely seen her on Glow. And of course, nobody wants us. But everyone wants us and everybody wants to hang out with Jackie Tone.

What a party she is. Her and Aaron and I, we got it done. Please enjoy Jackie Tone. Checking Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds on car insurance is smart. Unfortunately, not checking that your sunroof is closed before going through the car wash is not smart. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate.

Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions, and availability, Allstate North America Insurance Co, and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. Except all that. Look, I jinx ourselves in a good way. Oh, here we go. Hang on tight. Kristen's car has never been driven like this. I've been in this car a thousand times. I've never taken that hard or right. I'm going to say that right now. This thing is really more capable than meets the eye.

This is a high-performance shitbox. Wow. Did you pop three AAA batteries in the back of this bitch? And she just goes. I see one who's stop. Are you in a full electric now? No, no. No, I pushed out.

Everything scares me. All the fires scared me. Us losing power scared me. Not that you'd be able to get gas any easier if the world ended. I just got a gas car. When people are getting evacuated from the palisades and I was like, well, conceivably, there's not a hotel within 60 miles that has vacancy because everyone's leaving. What are these people that had like 30-mile charge on their car?

No, there were multiple people stuck in the Palisades. I saw some new story. Now, that would have been a good time to be Uber-A. Thank you. Uber-Eats. They were very hungry. But people were like flagging other cars down and they were like, we have an electric car.

Can you get us out of here? Right. Oh, look at this. Fish and chips. Or is it Boba Me? Can I tell you what's already been fun about this? There's a lot of hidden restaurants in our neighborhood. And we only killed two people trying to learn violin.

a mother and a daughter of the many people that would be sympathetic to kill yeah a couple people trying to learn violin like just some sweet angels with backpacks holding violins

because you're not learning to play the violin to get pussy no no no that's right especially if you're a mother and daughter you know you're not in it for the money you're in it for the art this has to be the quickest

this person's food would ever get to them we were 50 feet away from this next time I might have to go in Aaron already got it Yeah, he's fucking fast. Look at him. Dude, he's already secured the fucking chicken.

No, we're going to hand up. Okay, so the system is Aaron picks up and I deliver. Oh, wait, add delivery, except? Oh, yeah, except that shit. Oh, we're going to an Elko loco. Oh, fuck, yeah. Guys, that's easy, peace. Am I a good luck?

You're an incredible good luck. We've made more today already. We're not saying the name of the place we picked up from, right? Correct. Okay, so I will say out loud that it smells like someone open their assholes. Into my throat Into the back of my throat Yeah, someone got stanker

Am I wrong? No, it stinks Oh, you're going to be able to handle it? It smells I know They got the hot shit Stir fry I'm so afraid what's in that order

I'm like, is it? My mind goes straight to fish Maybe there's, like, some ungulate feet in there. You know what it could be also, though, when you cook broccoli and sort of smells like an absolute fart hole. Fart hole. I don't know how to say this gently, but I forgot to factor in you. I didn't think, like, maybe the food stink will be too much for Jackie.

But now that we're here, I'm like, I'm a little nervous. I will, though, just to comfort you, that's the worst smell of item we've heard. It is. Everything else has made us drooled smelled so good. And we'll just have you put your nose in the El Pollo Local bag to drown out the other smells. You want to move it to the trunk?

Yeah, maybe why don't we move it to this bus that's driving back? Maybe somebody's hungry on the home. Move it to a trash again. But we still went to their house and we're like, dude, you didn't want it. But we got you some El Pollo Local because we also stopped there.

I have a fun story. You see four leasing information on the right up here? Yes, yes, yes. So I yelped the other day where to get a car wash. You see those tarps? Oh, that's a car wash.

And I was in the area. I had an hour to kill. I was like, what, what the fuck am I going to do over here, middle of Hollywood? Yelp tells me that place is a car wash. It's a great place to get your car wash. And I'm like, well, it's not a car wash. It's an empty parking lot. But I call one more time, and I'm like, hey, I'm looking for a car wash.

And the guy's like, yeah, let me unlock the gate. Okay. Comes out, unlocks a big chain. Pull my car in. Rechains. Okay. Now you're locked in. I said, oh, oh, okay.

He goes, I lock it because of like the people around here. And I said, Okay, I hope you don't take any offense to this. I'm a woman alone in a parking lot that you've just changed. So if I could trouble you to just make it look like it's changed, but this way just for my sanity. And the guy was so sweet. He was like, oh, of course.

God bless him. Should I run in this time? No, no, no. He's so good at this that it would be crazy. Yeah, you were so fast. Oh, yeah, thank you so much. And I don't want to make you a target, but what kind of cash will we move around town like that? Not a ton.

I would say 40-50, but I'm always refilling it. Joe and I went to an event the other night. We had no cash for the valet. And it feels horrible. Oh, there's nothing worse. That's what I'm curious about all these people that are post-cash, how they're dealing with tips, because everywhere I go, it's grease time, you know? It's horrible not to tip valet.

It makes you feel really bad. And I asked this last guy, I was like, do you take Venmo? I'm happy to, like, block traffic for a minute and figure this out. Yeah, yeah. And he was like, just Zelle. And I was like, that I can't deal with. Now I'm opening my bank account. Sure.

I'm up in Wells Fargo trying to do that for real close friends. Truly. Oh, look, he gets to meet. That's Stephanie, I bet. Oh, my God, Stephanie's kid? Guess what? She doesn't know who the fuck he is anyway. I wish I filmed that.

I had to go. She doesn't know who he is. No, no, there's layers of humbling, which is great. Okay, I want to ask you, Jackie, before we get into some questions, you've been on a lot of different things. I'm presuming Glow was the biggest prior to nobody wants this. That's right. How would you turn around and gave me such a shit-eating grin. It was cute.

love, Jackie. Let me add this. Aaron requested you. Oh, I love best friend Aaron Whitney. I think Aaron's horny for you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I'm here for that. I'm always hooked up. I'm love. I think it's the roller skate party. That's what did. I was like, I talked to Jackie for a while. The feelings were mutual. Everybody knew

everybody knew Aaron Weekly was looking good at that party his little outfit. Come on. His little captain's outfit. Come on. Those big haunches on display, those powerful thighs and ass. I said, let's Get involved. Powerful thighs and ass. Okay, so Glow is very big show, but my guess is nobody wants this.

Just the craziest phenomenon to be a part of. I was getting my nails done this morning. First, one girl came up, she was like, I'm so sorry to bother you. She was on her way out. I just love the show, and I love you on the show, and the Jewish representation, and the whole thing, and she couldn't have been happier. And then I got my headphones back in, kept doing my nails. Then another girl was leaving.

She was like, I saw the other girl come up, so I didn't want to come up. And I was like, this is so funny. Yeah, yeah. Having, like, a moment at the, it's on. It really is. And when the show first aired, see, the thing with Netflix and streamers is... Come on, brother.

No, this guy has to go at this pace. I got a lot of go-to sayings. I feel out the window of these guys when my kids aren't in the car. Yeah. Oh, I'm ready. Literally got silent. I'm going to tune the fuck in.

Don't hurt yourself. Don't pull anything. See? Feel free to go slower. I love them all. Yeah. So this one has been extra. special. You're like in Frozen

or a Marvel movie. I think the viewership's that many people. Well, it was 800 million. Most streamed comedy of all time. Whoa. So fuck. Yeah. Most streamed television comedy of all time, but not counting like Seinfeld and other on a streamer. Oh my God. So most

streamed. But it's times viewed. And every time I meet someone, they're like I've seen it five times. I keep it on while I'm making dinner. I keep it on while I'm doing laundry. I put it on after my kids, go to sleep. Instantly a cult and a hit. And Kristen says,

this is second to Frozen or even maybe beating Frozen. This is Max. It's so Goliath. We were in New York a few months ago and I said to her, I'm like,

hon, you're too famous to hang out. Like, I can't walk down the street with you. It's too much. It's overwhelming. It's every third person. And you can't go anywhere.

Every third person is too many. And I was like, oh, I kind of thought we knew what it was like, but no, this is nuts. And then you will love this. I have a very disgusting toenail that died at some point.

I may or may not have seen a picture. Well, you've seen the half job on mutual. Yes, I've seen more pictures of your fucking feet than I literally care for. Also, we had the same podiatrist, the one who miniaturized one of my toes. I knew you're aware of that. Oh, you're a guy, too? No, I turned. He miniaturized one of Dex's toes.

So he sent you to him? How would you word how he... He's chill as fuck. He's a parrot head? No, he's a Buffett head. He a parrot head. He was sexually. inappropriate with me. Well, that's where it turned. It was really fun. It was really fun.

Because he's so chill. Yeah, he couldn't be more chill. He's always in another country. I did 39 operations in three hours. And you're like, how you seem really baked. And then he mutilated my toe. And then he said something very rough. I hate this story, but you should tell it. I was in there and I was in workout clothes as I 90% of the time am. He was like, so that's all I can help you with. I was like, yeah, thank you so much. And as I was leaving, he peeks his head back in, and he goes, and if you need anything else, you just bring that hot little body back in here. Oh, my God. I hate that.

Oh, oh. Like, that's really what you got to hear when you go to the doctor from a dude who's like 20 years old. Yeah, it was really yucky. I think I called X immediately. Oh, yeah. You were out. That was the last straw. You were still there, even though I immunilated my toe.

Yeah. Well, I wasn't having the guy surgerized my freaking toe. You're just having to massage your hips. I was just having him do two and the pig and want to stick. I wanted to be numbing with my toes. Oh, boy. Anyway, so I have this toenail on my left. I discovered this because I used to take Kristen on her birthday every year to get a manicure, pedicure,

and we would go together, and that was my, like, offerings. I'm going to do this with you. Cudy. And, of course, I would just get my toes done. I would always get this outrageous blue. Well, her birthday rolled around. I mean, this is how fucking blind guys. guys are, in general, I think, to their health, right? So we're about to go a year later.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get blue. And all of a sudden I realized for the first time, oh, none of my nails are blue except for my left big toe, meaning they all grew out over a year. This hasn't grown one millimeter in a year. It's like they painted it yesterday. And I was like, oh, fuck, that nails dead as hell. And that's years ago, okay? That's years ago. I'm like, I don't know. What do you do with that? Or are we at five?

Don't they usually stay on? Or, I mean, fall off? That's what I would have fought. We just passed it on the right. Yeah. It's hard to remember what we're doing here. By the way, this is a very upscale area that they got the shit food. Tell them to be careful with that.

I'm going to tell them to wear. Do you have a N95? And some smelling salt. And a menthol rub for your upper lip. So going back to toes. His are the only feet that I'm not gross. Do you think it's because you guys just love each other and it's like, who gives a fuck?

Because if his feet were on someone else, I would be throwing up. Yeah, you'd be gagging. Yeah, you'd be gagging. Your mouth would be full and you'd have to. I'm trying to think with Kristen, same thing. Although I don't think like any of my girlfriends really gross gross me out. Boys, you guys are just so much more disgusting than we are. I know. It's just like absolutely like your gross feet.

Like if my toenail died, I would notice the day up. Oh, yeah. I would know that I... We've got, like, two things going. We've got male, female, and then we've got, like, Jew, Gentile. Yes, we really do. So, at some point, I'm like, I guess I'm going to take a Dremel. Do you know what a Dremel is?

Of course, because your wife has her own nail kit. And she's got, like, a nail dremel, but I use the one from the shop. And so I get going on this nail, and I take it down, and now I can see what's happening. There's a couple of your journey with this thing, where I'm dremeling. And now it does start growing, but it's growing disgusting. It's very fungacy, and I get a spray. And you hadn't been to, I won't say his name. That was the end of our relationship when he cut my toe in half and then taped it back on.

Weird, weird, you didn't go back. It actually is weird. I didn't go back because I kind of would go back. Elementary school, stable gun did back on. Got you. Okay. So the last time I dremeled it down, I could like really see through and I said, oh, it's black under there. And I mentioned it on the podcast.

And then enough people wrote back, like, you got to go in. That could be cancer. That's what that blackness could be. So, okay, I go to my general practitioner, although he's not that. He's an internist. He's offended if I call him that. He's about to look at this disgusting Tony goes, you tell your wife, she's our shixta. And I'm like, you bet.

And then he looks at and he's like, okay, yeah, I'm going to send you across the hall. I got a good buddy. I bet he might have an opening. And I'm delighted. I'm like, great. I'm getting a referral, and it's happening right now. He's going to walk me across the hall. I feel so taking care.

Get in with this guy. Don't know this guy at all. He's just about to get in there And he looks up and he goes Your wife's our shicksa Same This is pretty much saying they want a fucker, right? Also, these are like 65-year-old doctors

That's when I was like Oh, this thing transcended everything The people in my parents 55 and over community Every single person loves it I've never been in a huge hit I have no clue Do you have any clue

When you watched it did you go Oh yeah, Buckle-up Don't you feel like your pot is a huge? Huge hit. Huge hit in the podcast world is like a couple million listeners. It's not 800 million. We have a billion streams, but after seven years. Mazel tov, by the way.

I wouldn't have predicted it would have been successful. I heard it, and I'm like, I don't know, is it better or worse than other ones? Should I say this? But it being a smash doesn't really even make it better than others anyway, which is crazy. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Like the best movie I've ever been in, the best movie is Arthur and it tanked. But that's like the most well-made.

film. Here's the very quick answer is absolutely not. Right, right, right. Not only do we not know it was going to be a hit, we were hopeful sort of anyone would watch it. I wasn't involved at this point, but I was friends with Kristen and knew that she was and then the strike interrupted it for like a year. And then all this other stuff happened. It's also very Jewish heavy. We haven't seen a huge Jewish hit. It's very Jewish heavy. There's obviously, I was going to say there's obviously a lot of political shit going on. Yeah, the timing was incredible.

Highlight dicey time. And so we were just like, is anyone going to watch this? And the people who do watch it, are the numbers just going to be high enough for the ends to justify the means here? So for it to explode the way it did, it's radical. I think it feels like buying a lottery ticket.

People were throwing around the term cultural juggernaut. Yeah, of course. I was saying it's a cultural phenomenon. It's crazy. It's just what everyone's talking about. Was it random that you and Kristen got? Not at all.

So I got the audition. through my agent, and then I told Kristen, who is my best friend, who I knew was making this show. She didn't call me and go, like, you need to audition for this. She was living her life, and my agent was like, hey, we have an audition for you for this show called Shix-a. Well, she was, like, going to the mat for Adam Brody. She was going to the mat, and she's executive producing and creating.

And also, the part that she thought I was right for wasn't even casting yet. My agents got this audition to play Adam's ex-girlfriend, like the perfect Jewish girl, Rebecca. So I saw Kristen one day, and I was like... That's not your scheme. No. You're far more annoying. No, you're like a super sexy version of what's his ass's wife on Curb. Oh, I'll take it.

She's a queen. Cheryl Hines? No. Susie Asman. Yes, Susie. Who is that plus this mess? And she's awesome. Thank you.

So you're like a sexy version. I'll take it all fucking day. So I tell Chris that I'm auditioning for Rebecca, and she's like, wait on that. There's a role, and it was only supposed to be a couple episodes. She's like, but there's a role for Adam Brody's sister-in-law who is not into the fact that that there's this new girl in town. You should try out for that. And so I made a tape in December,

and I didn't find out I got it until January. I heard her on many phone calls going, you don't need to look any further. Jackie was born to play this role. We were on a hike, and I said something, you know, bordering on anti-Semitic. I said, they're not going to find anyone that's going to out Jew Jackie in this role.

She is like, what dice clay is to the Italians. She's going to fucking bend this over and ass fucking, yeah, yeah. Asphal. Esfah. No, no, Dice is Jewish. Dice is Jewish. That's a terrible example. No one wants it.

The Chappelle? Can we say the Chappelle? Aaron, how of you for knowing Dice was Jewish? Oh, you know. I almost said it, but I was like, I'm not going to step on the bed. I mean, he is Jewish. Leave it to best friends. Good for him.

I just say it in case you were wondering if I knew or not. Good for him, too. Yeah. To me in Michigan, I was like, oh, he's Italian. Of course. As a Jew in New York. I was like, this guy's Italian as well. I got the little bit...

Oh. Jack be nimble. Jack be quick. Jack burnt off his fucking dick. Oh. Chris and I had like a moment where, you know, Dice isn't the most embraced comedian. He's not at the height of his career.

Current culture. God damn did I think he was hysterical when I was like 12. Me too. I couldn't get enough of it. And so I decided to show her some videos that I'm like, she's going to hate this. That's what I love about Kristen is. Her main ethos is funny. Comedy wins, no matter what other things she's juggling ethics-wise. Yeah, truly.

Can you even believe? I've been a big boy. 13-20. Whoa. Oh, it's right here. We're like an inch away. Oh, Boba time. What time is it?

It's Boba time. Oh, welcome back, Aaron. Man o'evitz. What'd you get? What'd you get? Oh, a shit ton of smoothies. Oh, smoothies, not bobbos? Oh, sorry. I was tempted to order some for us, but...

Oh, my man's got a bright red corvette. Dude. I hope he's getting some bobs. Okay, so now we do two fun things. I think they're fun. One is we do a moral dumbfounding philosophical question. Okay. In a nutshell, moral dumb finding is you can't really mount an intellectual argument for why it's not moral,

but it just feels really bad. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Yes. I think we're the three of us. Could we say as a safe estimate baseline, we have loosey-goosey morals a little bit, us three, maybe relative to, not like we're thieves or we hurt people. Yeah, I would say that certain things are gray area. Yeah.

That other people would not think are gray area. Right, there we go. Nailed it. That's a great way to you for mine is our lack of morals. Okay, let's start with a moral dumb found. A family's pet dog dies in an accident. Instead of burying it or cremating it, They decide to cook it and eat it to avoid waste.

No one else finds out, and they enjoy the meal. Am I wrong that you missed a part where it says they had heard dog was delicious? It's not in here. It's not? No. Oh, maybe when AI didn't give me the full. I think a part of that one, because I know this one, is they also had heard dog was delicious. Oh, of course.

Okay, so just know that they had heard it was delicious. The family dog died of natural causes in the backyard. Dyes in the natural. accident, it says. So they've heard dogs were delicious to eat. And instead of burying it, they decide to cook it and eat it to avoid waste. To avoid waste is an annoying addendum. It's like what waste would there be? You'd put it in the ground and then the bugs would get it and that wouldn't be waste anyway. You could make an argument. This isn't mine, but you could say, well, they didn't then go and buy some beef that night. So they saved their consumption of the

beef and didn't waste this available meat they had. Yeah, I feel like it's someone who runs over a raccoon on the road and they eat it. Like I applaud that person. Exactly. Exactly what I was thinking of. Hi, Richard. We're having a raccoon tonight. We're having a coon tonight, Richard.

This is your dad. This is your dad. Bring your appetite. And you're a dog owner, and maybe we should talk a little bit about Glenn for a second. Glenn? Because this is a very fun animal story. I think. Glenn's my best guy.

I love Gloria. He's the love of your life, no? Aaron, can I speak to you because Glenn's my mom? Is this your Glenn voice? You're Glenn talking voice? She has many Glenn talking. I have many Glenn talking.

I was just looking for a picture, the best picture of him. But do you know the history of Glenn? Aaron, you have to hear this. Glenn was our dog first. We rescued Glenn, and I don't care for dogs all that much. But I loved Glenn.

Glenn was such a sweet boy. He looked exactly. like a Glenn. I named him Glenn, I think. You 100% named him Glenn. He was such a soft boy. By the way, best dog name. Anytime I tell anyone his name is Glenn, they fucking bug. And it's been happening my pet him for 10 years. And every time they go, God, that is such a good dog. There's no way that you would look at Glenn and then hear his name and have an issue with it. Yeah, sure. No one has ever owned a name as much as Glenn owns his name. So the problem with Glenn is he's a super dander creator. He has so much fucking dander. And I've never been as allergic

to a dog as I was Glenn. Even if he just walked in the room, my eyes were red, my nose was running. And wasn't it happening to Delta, too? Like, wasn't she a baby, baby, baby? That would make sense, because I doubt that my own allergies to it would have gotten him out of the house.

Because I was allergic to the previous two dogs and don't seem to mind too much. No one gave a fat rat's ass. So I loved Glenn, but we couldn't have him. And then Jackie was visiting so often that she developed this relationship with Glenn. She was living. And basically was on the floor of the home at all times.

And she fell in love with Glenn. That's true. And I was like, Jackie, we're going to get rid of Glenn. I really think you should take Glenn. And Jackie, go ahead. What were your initial thoughts? Oh, my initial thoughts were. By the way, this is Glenn's vet right here.

Oh, Glenn. Right here. My initial thoughts were absolutely not. What's really interesting is not only were you not a dog person, I was not a dog person. When I was at a restaurant and someone's dog would be like at your feet And other people would be like, cutie! I'd be like, we're in a restaurant.

Get the fuck out. Like, you're not. Like, I don't need your paws on my knee while I try to eat. So I was not into dogs at all. And people used to give me shit and be like, do you think it's fucked up that you want a kid, but you don't like dogs? People were giving me.

People think it's amoral to not be in love. I was getting shit for it all the time. And because Kristen was rescuing dogs four times a week, it was chipping away at my like, oh, this one of her first dogs, was the first dog I was the first dog I was ever, friends with. The same. Mac and Shaky, yeah.

Yeah. So Shaky was the first dog I was ever friends with, and then Lola, or at the same time. And then Glenn came along, and I loved him, and he took a liking to me. And I remember saying to them, like, first of all, I live in a one-bedroom apartment. I am unemployed. This was in August, and I was like, I'm traveling in December, and Kristen laughed in my face. She was like, you can't take a dog because you're traveling in six months. You'll drop her back off over here. You'll be fine.

And Dax was like, listen, can you just take him for the weekend? I need my face to be able to clear up, please, and we'll figure it out. He would, knowing full well, I was never going to give back the dog. I go, fine, just for the weekend. There was literally a moment on the porch. So I'm on the porch, and he puts Glenn in my arms, I was about to leave without him. So he was not taking him. And he goes, just for the weekend.

And he puts Glenn in my arms with a bag of food and puts the leash, like, draped on my shoulders. It's the most forceful I've ever been, I think. closes the door, I hear a lock, and then through the door I hear. And maybe this will help with your commitment issues. I had two motives. A, I wanted Glenn to be happy, and I knew she loved Glenn. And then also, we had had many talk about commitment issues.

And I'm like, this is the perfect way to fucking immersion therapy. Yeah. Commitment. You might have called with some questions in the morning, but you just never look back. That dog was never coming back. That's my soulmate. There's really no question that he's my soulmate.

I mean, on more than 20 occasions, I've cried looking at him. I love this fucking dog. Did that say that after he locked the door? Yep. That is the cinematic timing that Dax Chapman will give you every time. I hear it go, and maybe this will help with your commitment issues. And I think through the door, I was like, you're a fucking asshole, dude. I'll worry about my commitment issues.

None of your business. Okay, so I bring Glenn up because it's not like you don't have a, dog. So as you vote for this moral conundrum. God, you're so good at bringing it back around. You really haven't smoked pot in a long time. I'm proud of you. You know what it's like to love and cherish a dog. Now, where the fuck? This is 1111. It's got to be. Right here at the corner. This is the one. Oh, yeah. 1907. See, I'm not going to pull up in their driving. No. That's not a good. 1907. I like that. Stay tuned for more mom's car.

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You might even pay for our internet gas. Dax was saying you do Uber in Detroit and it's fucking madness. It's fun. This would upset Dax probably but I don't want to do it. Right, I don't think it was up.

I'm trying to make ends meet. Of course. There is fun things that happen. We're talking about his Uber. Dude got in the back seat with a full ski mask on it. No, no, no. This is actually going to be a no.

That's my first ride ever. No, it was. No, it was. No. And I was like, oh, my end. You want to hear the punchline? Yep. He drove him to a place of employment.

He took his mask off and went in and went to work. And it was a style thing. And I was like, how does one know if it's style or he just robbed a bank? We've got to get you to vote on this. Moro conundra. This is the thing. I'm a vegetarian.

I personally don't eat any meat. I'm going to sound like such a crunchy dickhead. But like, I think if you're eating all kinds of meat. Like, what's the death? Yeah, is it that much? Different. So I obviously don't eat meat and don't think you should eat your dog. And I think that is not nice. When you say it out long. I don't want you to eat your dog. But if like you eat all sorts of meat, you eat, let's say, roadkill and you eat all this other meat and you are Richard Christie's family. It's not the end of the world, especially if you didn't kill it to eat it. That would be beyond. Now we got a real issue. I just think you have to admit it's very arbitrary what we think you're allowed to eat and not eat. Yeah.

It's like, yeah, we can eat a deer, we can eat a cow, we can't eat a camel, we can't eat a horse, we can't, you know, like, none of it makes a ton of sense. Aaron, where are you at on it? I feel like I know, but what do you think? You also are a dog lover and dog owner. Listen, I think anyone is entitled to do that. I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't because I'm in fucking love with my dogs and they're my soulmates as well.

Yeah, but I would probably fucking sweep with their rotting body. until it was in too bad of condition to eat. Someone said this the other day. I wonder what your two sense is. Let me own. I'm too sensitive to comments. My fault. But someone was mad because the topic came up.

Boy, it felt kind of a name to me, but it was like, you should have done a trigger warning. God, I got to remember the issue. I was like, really? But at some point, my show's about addiction and trauma and molesting. That's what the show is. Do you need to be reminded every episode? Or at what point could you go like, yeah, I know what the show is.

Like, you're not watching Jerry Springer if you hate chicks fighting and bras. That's right. You can't watch the show and be upset that that happened. Is the person saying like, oh, it was their first time listening so they didn't know? No, they like the show. That's what's sad. I don't want upsetting these people. They're armcherrys and I love them, but it was probably eating disorder.

I get that a lot. That's a very common, like, they want to be warned. But I'm like, it's Nikki Glazer. Her stand-up routine is about ED quite often. And this is a show where we talk about trauma, like, I don't know, am I being overly sensitive? No, I do get it. But it's that same thing where it just becomes a spectrum of like, you have misophonia, so I have to let you know that someone's chewing.

I can't do it and I'm not going to do it. I want some responsibility for themselves, which is like if it's triggering to hear about someone talking about eating in a start, then listen to Smartless. I guarantee they're never going to bring it up. We'll listen to, like, Comedy Pot. Yeah, yeah, there's so many. But if you're listening to one that in the statement is the messiness of being human and it's all about addiction and stuff, I don't know. I do feel empathy for that person.

I just think it's really hard to go through your life, expecting everybody to, like, warn you of everything that's going to happen in your daily life. Every radio show, every TV, every everything. It's like, shit's going to suck sometimes and things are going to come up. And hopefully you could be doing the work with your therapist or with the people in your life to be like, ah, this came up today. And it fucking sucks. I guess my broader point was every single episode would have a trigger warning. Sure. And at some point, when everyone know, like, yeah, this isn't a show if you're easily triggered.

Right, right. But I guess that's the assumption. Okay. Let's do an advicey question. Okay. This is from a listener. Oh, gone, Aaron. Now I am sympathetic to the misophonia people.

I'm sorry. That fucker is stuck in my throat. Dax, it's just you and me. Aaron passed. Oh, no. I'll miss him. I liked him. Should have been a trigger warning that guy was going to choke to death in the episode.

Now, that's a true warning I could get behind. Somebody just died. He lost a loved one in a choking accident. He died doing what he loves. Eating on bagels. Joking on mangoes that he thought was dry bagels. Okay, title is, Husbands looking at sexy girls on the Graham and YouTube.

Well, I have a little of a dilemma. For context, I'm 37. My husband is 57. Whoa. Okay. Yes. He is a great husband, no complaints, but for a while now, he only wants to have sex if I'm wearing some kind of miniskirt.

Love it, do it. Hold on, now. Are you saying that, or is the... No, I'm reading verbatim. She said love it, do it. Yeah. Okay, great. She loves it, she does it.

But now that's the only way. It's like, okay, I'm all for looking sexy and roleplay and all, but all the time, like, no. So I went on his Instagram. and saw he was looking at all kinds of sexy, big-booty miniskirt girls. Whatever. Saw his YouTube and the same. It's not porn. Just modeling tiny skirts booty out.

Whatever. To be in so much pain and keep saying whatever, like, eight to ten times. Okay. My issue is that now that's the only way he wants to do it. When and if I dress up. We have a healthy sex life. No complaints. Oh, my angel.

I will even take pictures of myself with the minis and send to him. He loves it. But for me, it's getting old, and I'm feeling a little weird about it, and I don't know why. Is he thinking of them or me? I don't know. Do I have an issue with this? I do. But I don't really.

I don't know, but something about this is bugging me. Interesting. Yeah, well, Jackie, what do you think? I go first? Yeah. Okay. My first thought is talk to your partner, of course. I'm wondering, has she already brought it up?

Because I think if there was only one very particular way my partner was comfortable having sex, I would have to bring it up because also there's two people involved in the relationship and the way that I want to get started should be taken into account as well as the way that my partner wants to get started. For me, it's more of like a, well,

is she getting her needs met? And why isn't she bringing that up? And as far as like the Instagram and YouTube, uh... You almost got to break apart this thing, right? Different issues going on. I'm someone that is of the opinion that you shouldn't care if your partner looks at pictures or watches pornography. I think, like, what's happening in their imagination, you don't really have a right to own that real estate.

I think what everyone's fantasy life is is up to them. And I don't think that that's part of monogamy. I don't think you get to say you're not going to enjoy pictures of people. Now, I know people who have actual porn addiction. Right. And it's very destructive to a relationship. So it's like, okay, what version is that they watch porn a few times a week or are they like watching six times a day? And they're not leaving the house and if they have a free day, they spend eight hours jerking up.

Like that really gets in the way of your relationship. And in your life in general, but yeah. Yeah. It's an addiction and there's wreckage. So there's not enough info for me to say like, does the guy have a problem? I think it's interesting he's not watching porn. It's kind of like a PG version of this. But also like, is he and she just doesn't know?

She would know. It sounds like she's all over his IG and his YouTube. Shocker, I agree with him. I know that's what makes this show so great. I agree with everything you say. That's why we have a guess. But I do, yeah, I do want to say that I think it's so healthy for couples to have their own fantasy life. I can't see it being your only thinking about your spouse.

But also, if you say, you are, you're lying anyway? And is that worse where you're like, no, I've never thought someone else was hot? Because then if you have a partner, right, if you have a partner who's like, you better not be thinking of anyone else. It's like, well, okay, then I'm not. Do you with that to what I'm going to say? I'm happy to say that. Well, and I think people have like rungs of this, right? Like, it seems that it's very common for people to be able to say it about Brad Pitt or Jennifer Aniston. Right, right, right. That there's some safe level that, idea of a hall pass is interesting. People are like fine with that. Like, oh, my hall pass is Brad Pitt.

And obviously, it's safe because it can never happen. But you're okay with that. Most people are okay with that. Where it gets tricky is, do you think someone's attractive in your inner circle? At work? At work? Again, I know I'm out on the spectrum on this. I don't think what I'm going to say is normal. I would think it would be nuts if Kristen wasn't attracted to guys. And I think it'd be nuts if she wasn't attracted to people, she knows in work for it. I think you've just got to be really clear about what is the thing that's being violated that you cherish? Like I've always said, if Kristen fucked a dude in a trailer and I never found out about it, I don't care. If Kristen's involved in an affair and she's not present with me as my partner and she's not present with the kids

and she's lying and juggling this other life, that's a real problem for us. For me, it's not even the sex. It's just like, well, you're very distracted by something and I need this. level of partnership from you and that's getting in the way. But back to this person, my just gut tells me this guy has some intimacy issues. Like he has got to objectify her in a way that she fits into this category of what he likes, which is girls in skirts, anonymous girls in skirts. And he almost needs to make her be this so he can maybe be sexual with her and not feel shame or something. I just think something is afoot. And so I also wonder if it's like that thing in mating in captivity where it's like there has to be distance created for you

to then be attracted to a person, which is why it's- Oh, this is Esther Perala? Like why sex lives die so much in relationships because that person is so available to you. And there's that sense of this isn't her. This isn't them. There's like a little bit of distance there. They're literally like an anonymous bent over. Yeah. Yeah. And she says modern day romance is like, we want you to be our best friend, our confidant, our lover. Our lover. Our business partner. Every single thing. Yeah.

I'm feeling bad for this girl. Me too. I just want her to talk to him now. I feel bad and I wish she would go to couples therapy to get it out in the open with a third party. I'm a big supporter of that. Yeah, me too. I can only imagine this dude's going to get defensive when she brings us up. I don't think the approaches for her to go like, I'm worried that you have this thing.

Right. I don't think his thing is your business nor your right to say. What you should say is like, I need more. I desire more. This isn't the way that I want to have sex oftentimes. I'm not going to be looking at you. You're going to judge the way you're into it, whatever your thing is. I'm not going to try to threaten that or talk you out of it.

But this is what I need. I need to be in other outfits. I'd like to look at your face sometime. My hunch is he doesn't. I don't know. It feels very detached and kind of objectified. Because I think also if they were having fun and she was getting all her needs met, you're only as needy as your unmet needs.

You can tell I've been in therapy. So she doesn't feel seen by him. Because if she did, and then she looked over his shoulder and he was looking at a hot ass in a skirt, she'd lean in and be like, oh, cute buns. She would feel involved in the relationship. But because she feels sort of left out to dry. Sounds like she's been assigned a role.

She has. Like, I need you to do all this. And be all these people, right. Which sucks. Do we dare talk about that? age gap? That's the other thing. I would just be nervous that there's... Well, hey, this guy's on fire. I'm not looking at much stuff anymore at 50. This guy's impressive, but I'm going to guess, and it'll offend people. I'm worried about the leverage in the relationship.

My hunch is 57, 27, 27. 37, my hunch is he's financially sorted. He's already been married or not. I don't know. I just... That's a good hunch. I worry about the leverage in the situation. And this might just be a symptom of that leverage. Right. It's his house. Maybe 37-year-old girls get deadbeat 57-year-olds, but I don't. Right, I doubt. Exactly.

I think it's low percentage. And if you're like, yeah, I own the home and you came into my life and this is my thing. This is what I like. I just am a little nervous of the overall leverage. Which I can't speak to, but do not care for and make me have even more distaste for this poor gal situation. Because it's interesting. It's not the end of the world. It's like a lot of people are in just sexless marriages.

It's a nightmare. It doesn't sound like she's asking for much. She's like down to party and she'll wear it and she likes it, but she also wants some other variety. Feels like this guy's lucky. Sounds like this guy's got it made. Yeah, but you can't have it made much longer. Have you ever had a boyfriend that had like some very specific,

it had to be one way? No, not in it had to be one way. Just people liking certain things. I was grossed out by or not into, but like, oh, that's a twist. Sure. Okay, hi, hi. No, but never, never something where I was like, oh, my God, this is the only. I would do it, but thankfully, I've never been asked to, like, wear a police costume and come in the house and role play and bad acting.

That would be really hard. I would do it if that's what someone desired. It would be such a turnoff for me. You haven't done anything. No, any of that, like, crazy. I don't know how someone can do it. Oh, my God. I have a hard enough time.

That outfit you wore to the roller skating party? Yeah. Oh, my God. Taking someone seriously. Yeah, but happens by accident if you're both in crazy costume. Sure. That's cool. This is so crazy that this has popped into my brain.

There's something weirdly hot about Anonymous. Yes. Right? Erica Young, did you ever read Fear of Flying? Maybe when I was younger years and years and years ago. Seminole feminist work. The Zipless fuck was her term. She desired the zipless fuck.

She wanted to meet like a guy on the train. I've always had that with like someone in the supermarket. You just see someone across the supermarket And within five minutes you're in someone's car Yeah But I've never done that Erin has done that Yeah, the supermarket fuck

Well just I've never seen Records set like this Where one time we were in high school And we were at this place We hung out at Country Boyer Restaurant It was like an even lower end of a Denny's Oh my God, I didn't know you could And she arrived and I think with my girlfriend Carrie

And then I swear to God Jackie Five minutes later They were fucking in the bathroom in 12th grade. I was getting jacked under the table. This is a great story. How did it happen? She just took it out?

I'll eat with my whole theory after he told you. Yeah, I don't remember. Aaron has the cutest, most innocent smile, and I have seen many times girls meet Aaron, and they're like, oh, he's so safe. I'm going to be the aggressor, which is lovely. I've seen that so many times in 35 years. I think girls rightly so when they meet me,

they're like, watch out, this guy's horny. got an agenda, and I'm going to have my guard up in gray, and they should. But I think Aaron's cute smile has, A, got us out of every issue we were in in junior high. Every time we were getting yelled at, he would smile real cute, and they would send me to the principal's office. Or he could fart in class. He would smile and laugh, and the girls would be like, oh my God, that's so cute, how high pitched it was. He was the only kid who could fart in junior high and girls thought it was super cute. Thank you for saying that. Ruthie will never believe me that that happened.

100%. And then we'd be at a restaurant and he'd just smile at a girl and she'd start jerking off under the table and then they would go to the bathroom and fuck. Yeah, it's hard not to be jealous of some of the... Oh, what a delight. Well, a lot of fast acting to that.

A lot of fast acting to that. No athletes, fuck what to be found. You've had some quick, though. You've had some quick. I will not be talking about those on this show. I know some zero to 60s. So zero to 60s. I have some favorites.

He has some favorite mems. Yeah. In fact, you can cut them out. I told this story recently because, okay, I was filming, my name is Earl. I was guest starring for a week, and the lead actress was not shooting that week. And so I had her trailer. They gave me her trailer. Oh.

And so it's like Friday, it's the last day. I've been outside. It's 95 degrees in North Hollywood. That's where we're filming, and I'm outside the whole time. I get back to the trailer, and I hear that they've called her. in. We finished early and they've called her and they're actually going to pick up a scene, right? Jamie Presley. So now I'm getting out of my wardrobe and I have my clothes and I start dilly-dally. You know this story because you're one of the people we told this to. Now I'm really taking my sweet time.

I'm naked for a while in a trailer. It's like I'm having an ethical dilemma about it. It's so sexy. I don't know. I'm in her trailer naked. And then I walk by the mirror where you sit at the little table and I see that my testicles are lower than my penis, they were so fucking droopy from the 95 degree day of shooting in full wardrobe. And I was like, oh my God, it looked like taffy.

It was so gross that I like ran and got my clothes on. But then Chris and I get together and I tell her this story and she goes, let me just tell you right now, no woman wants to walk in her trailer and see you naked.

And I'm like, you're probably right, but I would love this. walking my trailer and see a naked woman. So we asked so many people, and the only person we ever asked was you, where you're like, I don't know, let me see. I walk in my trailer, you're in there naked,

and you're like, yeah, I'm up for seeing that. And so I held on to my argument for a decade based solely at you, you were the only person that said it was, but I was like, okay, there is one. Of course I did, and Kristen always says she married me. Yes, exactly. But I just held on to it,

And then, lo and behold, Jackie, I don't know if you remember the punchline, but Kristen and I go to Ethan Soppley's kids' birthday party. There's a hot tub. We're in it. And I looked to my left, and Jamie Presley's in the hot tub. And I'm like, oh, hey, chat, chat. And then I go, oh, my God. You could settle about a decade-long debate between Kristen and I.

And I go, so I had your trailer. I was really dilly-dally. I was naked. What would have been your reaction? She goes, oh, terrified. I'd hate it. And I'd go home. Okay.

Well, that's the end of that. We have our resolution. I did not remember the phone line. We got from the horse's mouth. Let me settle this debate. Here's what's scary about my memory. I remember the story now, of course. And, of course, I stand by that I would have been like, oh, cool.

Yeah, why not? I would just be like, oh, I'll be right back. Or you want me to come in? Well, listen, there was a time, John. I was watching myself on Celebrity Jeopardy recently, which, of course, has a hundred insane things about that sentence. Wait, Jackie, I haven't seen that. I played against Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Oh, good luck. That's not fair. Do you want me to tell you what happened? Tell me. Well, it was already aired. That's why I can tell you. I'll beat him. You beat Neil de Grasth Tyson.

Did you win? I won my episode, and then I went on to the semifinals, which have not aired yet, so I can't tell you. Oh, my God. Tell you, shut the cameras, I can't tell you what happened there. But the point of this story is I had a couple friends over just to watch it because I had my friend Brendan coach me because he's a Jeopardy Champion on Real Jeopardy. So I had him come over and coach me.

And as we're watching it on the air, they ask a question. And I'm like, fuck if I know. And TV Jackie buzzes in and goes pendulum. Why, you'd gotten dumber since you had gotten dumber. You've recorded it a couple weeks before. But I'm just saying if it makes me feel any better that as you're talking, telling me this story, it's coming back to me in pieces. I admire your bravery because, A, I've been invited. I watched Jeopardy for years. Of course. I think I'm good. Honestly, I'm too

vain to go there and find out I'm not good. It's too high risk for me. I think it's too high risk for you too, but I don't think it's too high risk for me. Because you're famously very bright. You're famously like, no, you are. And like, what you've studied and your paw. And your pod and you know things. Like that's not, that's not what I'm known for. I'm known for like having jokes and it is what it is. So I thought if I show up, a couple zero to 60s now. A couple zero to 60s, couple backs, a couple cars. But I was like, if I show up and I just don't look like a huge asshole, I'll be fine. What I saw was the clip you posted, which is you being hysterical on Jeopardy, taking huge swings and landing them. And I was like, this is incredible. I think this is

the wildest I've seen someone be on Jeopardy. I was really, When I got a daily double, I was like, Ken, I'm never able to say this again. So I'm saying it now. I'd like to make it a true daily double. Yes. Even if I'd fucking lose. Because my charity was getting 30K anyway. I'm not going to win against Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Yeah. So what are we doing? And guess what you are? So guess what? There's no win for him. He like fought a woman, basically. Correct. You win, you lose.

You lose, you lose. At the end of the game, he and the other gal we were playing against Melissa Peterman, she's like from Reba and stuff. they were both at about 12 or 13,000 points and I was about 8,000. So I wasn't going to win, but I was doing okay. Yeah. So then for Final Jeopardy, I was like,

well, I'm just going to go for it. What was the question? Ready for the clue? Yeah. The Muppets. Okay. Really celebrity Jeopardy like S&L. So I was like, okay.

I think it was like Muppets take Manhattan or the Great Muppet Caper. One box is marked Frog and has Kerman in it. One box is marked bear. It has Fosy in it. One box is marked whatever, and it has this in it. And Melissa said Animal.

Yeah. Neil said snuffelophagus. And I said the correct answer, which was Gonzo. Gonzo. Really good work. I almost forgot about Gonzo until this now. Have you done Sesame Street? No, but I want to.

And I was, well, excuse me, ask that again. Have you done Sesame Street? Yeah, when I was 11. Oh, my God. But not as a grown. Not as a grown. When I was a little kid, my agent Agie Gold, a Fresh Faces agency.

That was the name of Fresh Faces. Of course. Okay. And I was a kid actor. She got an audition for a kid for Sesame Street who could Pogo Stick. So naturally she submitted me and they called and they said, can she Pogo Stick? We really need someone to Pogo Stick. She said, of course she can. She calls me and she says, you got to learn to Pogo Stick.

And how much the heads up? How many days? Two, three, max. Okay, wow. My mom, like, I think borrowed a Pogo Stick from a family friend. And of course I made this mistake. I Pogosticked on the... The floor, I would say marble, but we all know it wasn't marble in my house in Long Island, but that's what it looked like.

Yes, it was a tile. The tiledy, granitey moment, these boys' shorts, exactly the same. And I'm pogoing, and I fall forward, and I smash my nose. That's him, but still broken. Oh, wow. And I go to my next-door neighbor, because my parents were at home, I was 11, and I bang on his door, Sal Vinty, Salvador Vinty. Okay, he lives next door. He lives next door.

Called himself, ready for what to happen? Ready for what he called himself? Chuckie the Love Grenade. This is a true story Like he was a disc jockey He literally was a cop Okay But he would be like

If you have any questions Ask Chucky the love grenade Okay So Sal comes over And I'm like I bashed my nose My nose was bleeding He takes the bridge of my nose

And just squeezes it Oh wow And he's like I felt something Go back into place And then he's like Wait to your parents Get home

My parents got home And the blood stopped I never went to the doctor Never got my nose fixed Yeah Mine was broken And it didn't get fixed But I forgot

But I forgot that the Chuck The Love Grenade thing. That may have been after I booked. I don't remember. Because then they had to put makeup on me after I booked because I was brutes. And did you no longer have to ride the Pogo stick? I still did. I still did. So I think the order was I got the audition. My agent said you need to learn a Pogo stick. I learned. Then I booked. But all I could do was I do it three times in a row standing still. And then of course when I got there, they were like, well, have you Pogo in and Pogo out? And I had to lie and be like, these floors in the bottom of the

It's that, but of course, I just didn't know how to mobile pogo. So after I booked, that's when I cracked my nose in between booking and filming. So weird, because that's my broken nose story, too. I had booked a fucking Carl's Jr. commercial, which I could not book anything. I was so bad. And on the weekend, before we shot, 22, on the weekend, a guy broke my nose in a fist fight. And I tried to show up. And my nose was so fucking big.

And my eyes were like, when I was like, makeup. And they're like, oh, my God, no. I'm like, no, dude. We have a backup for this very reason, you fucking didn't. Yeah. They're like, Brian, and the other guy comes right in replaces you immediately. The director just put on my outfit. 100%.

Well, Jackie, that was so fun. I'm so glad you joined us. I'm so glad we did this. And you were really a good luck, Charles. Did you have fun? I had the best. Oh, good. Good.

This was delicious. This was delicious. I love you. I ate all my snacks. I love you. We're going to be able to be.