Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Nick Kroll Returns

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Nick Kroll (Big Mouth, Adults, I Don't Understand You) is a comedian, showrunner, and producer. Nick joins the Armchair Expert to discuss why he turned down the opportunity to kiss Dax’s wife, calling dibs on a celebrity brand sponsorship with Kleenex, and longing to be an undeniable casting choice. Nick and Dax talk about how he feels that Big Mouth is now the longest running series on Netflix, how his wife is such a supportive guide for what brings him joy professionally, and what it was like producing a cross-country intervention for his best friend. Nick explains his motivation to speak honestly about his family in his standup, how Adults celebrates the great tradition of real comedy folks making a show together in NYC, and Coach Steve gets to meet Hermium Permium while Frito gets to meet Hormone Monster.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Buck Rogers and I'm joined by Jean Lightyear. Hi. Hello, returning guest but long, long time.

Long, long time. Seven years, long time. Nick Kroll, an actor, but long, long time. Long, long time. Seven years, long time. Nick Kroll, an actor, a writer, a comedian, a producer. He does it all. Big Mouth, Kroll Show, The League, Sazeej Party. Eighth and final season of Big Mouth out on the 23rd. Yes. And it's spectacular.

I watched it, it's spectacular. It is a laugh riot. He's one of those guys in the comedy space that just has so many things going on at all times, and it's awesome. Busy couple weeks for him, because also on the 28th, he has the FX show, Adults, it's on Hulu and on FX, and then he has a new movie out on June 6th.

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Oh my God. Yeah. Different versions of fun pants here. Wow. And then we've got a really understated guy. Classic. A guy who's realized that peace comes from inner peace. Yeah.

And then we've got a really understated guy. A guy who's realized that peace comes from inner peace. Yeah. And then we've got a really understated guy. A guy who's realized that peace comes from inner peace. Yeah. And then we've got a really understated guy. A guy who's realized that peace comes from inner peace.

Yeah. And then we've got a really understated guy. A guy who's realized that peace comes from inner peace. Wow. And then we've got a really understated guy, a guy who's realized that peace comes from inside and not out. Little venom. You're not into the presentation of it all? Well, this has an explanation, and I'm curious, do you ever buy stuff off Instagram,

the ads that are curtailed to you? Because I've decided it's time to enter my aging Japanese sculptor age. Uh-huh. the ads that are curtailed to you. Because I've decided it's time to enter my aging Japanese sculptor age. And I would almost put those pants in that space. I agree. Versus, you know. Go ahead, because I haven't wrapped my head

around what they are yet. Like a well-to-do carney on vacation. But can we also just throw in Goggins? Like a hint of maybe Goggins. Sure. Oh, so we're going for? Unintentional, but I can tell you what really happened was I see an ad, they weren't these.

And I was like, those look fun. Maybe I would wear those in the summertime. A light pant. Yeah. Ordered them, and then it was like, when funding gets complete. And I was like, I didn't know this was a business model. You know about it.

No, wait, I thought this was a scam. You're saying like, once we raise enough capital, we might actually be able to produce the product that we're selling. That's a business model now that I didn't know about. And they're selling them and it appears they've already made them,

but I don't know if it was maybe just a digital, whatever. I took a fucking gamble and then like months later they raised funding. They arrived. Can I feel them? Yeah, and then I went on and I just said, I'm gonna only wear these all summer. So I ordered every version they make

and I'm waiting for funding. But these ones just... We're still raising for a second round. You don't know how many different patch works. We need so many old lady blankets to make these pants. Yeah, they do look quilted. They're not pricey guys. I ordered once off Instagram, they were like short little these pants. Yeah, they do look quilted. They're not pricey, guys. I ordered once off Instagram.

They were like short little cool pants. Then I realized they were coming from a bizarre Chinese address. And then they came and they were truly the worst material and like a tiny pant. But I do want to talk about the sponsors here tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys got it.

Please, please. Instagram? Is Instagram a sponsor? They're huge. They're our only sponsor. Congrats. But yes, I feel guilty. And the way I've talked myself out of the guilt Please please Instagram is Instagram sponsor a huge there are only sponsor congrats But yes, I feel guilty and the way I've talked myself out of the guilt is like yeah Who knows what the sizing is whenever you order online, but I'm not gonna go to a store I get so sleepy when I shop you shut down. Yes

Do you ever go with your wife somewhere and she wants to shop? You might be into shopping on your own. We don't know. Or you dress up like your wife and go shopping on your own. Yes. I walk into a store with either my daughters or my wife. And the very first thing I do is look for a bench. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. There's so many dads on chairs in stores.

It's true. That would be a thing, dads on chairs, like Instagram. That would be a talk show I would watch if it was just like dads on chairs. You'd come in and you'd be like, what's going on? That's how you find out of the family. what female in your life is shopping. Yeah, what I definitely shut down I will go in very occasionally and then I will pull the ripcord and I don't know that's any better because you put it on There and you're like, this is a bingo you bring it home and then still somehow something went wrong

Yeah Yeah So my thing is just like I just order stuff and then I try it on I go great Someone in LA is gonna get a great pair of pants. It goes straight to Goodwill Oh really you just yeah, so there's just like a stream of stuff going to Goodwill that still has the tags on it I would like to find better. This is terrible. I want better than Goodwill Yeah, I know well real real what I worry is that some guys gonna go in pull Dax Shepard's very nice unworn pants Then sell them at a high end resale.

I feel like they're good charities that are people who are looking for work and so they need nicer interview clothing and stuff like that. I like that. But I need to find those names. So, Collin, can you hit us up? Just to push back a little bit, hard to hate on a hustler. Like, if there's someone Coleman true. Absolutely.

And they profit off my thing. He's putting in the work and it is a he. It's a he. It is. We know it's a he, unfortunately. It's a he. It's hard to hate a hustler he. My pronouns are hustler him.

So yeah, it's been seven years since you were here. Wow. And if I had bumped into you on the street last month and said randomly, how long do you think it's been since you were on, what would you have said? What I remember originally from that conversation, because I went back and listened a little bit today, because I was like, where was I?

Where were we? What was happening? And what year was it? What I remember was I was talking about getting a car and what car I should get because I had like a little Audi A3, a nice enough, but slightly understated. And you were like, go for it, man. Fucking get the car you want. So I got a Tesla. Oh, oh. I got a Tesla. Oh. Oh.

Okay. Okay. I got a Tesla. Congrats. And this is before any salutes happened. Uh-huh. I was like, yes, I deserve a big, beautiful, luxurious, fast car.

And I had it for like two years. I liked how it drove, but then I started to not like how the service was. There were elements to it that ultimately felt like a reflection in a way of Musk. There's a certain obstinance to how it operated as a company that I began to be like, I don't like how this is making me feel. And then I also started having kids and I didn't want a sedan with car seats. So anyway, it made me think about when was I thinking about a Tesla?

I was like, oh, this is before the pandemic. And I realized it's been seven years. So I knew it was in that 2019, 2018 region. If we bumped into each other, my guess would have been, I think, three and a half. I guess I'm wondering, is your time now warped as you age like mine is? Yeah, well, I think time is hurtling past. Time is moving at a rapid pace. And I think about this a lot.

It's partly due to us getting older and every day is shorter. Fractionally less. Yes. I now have family. Every window of time is now taken up more than it used to be. And I think also the phones and screens are just such that now there's no downtime in any way. Every moment is filled with something like a great podcast. Sure, sure, sure. Great way to spend three and a half hours. Wow, you're right, that's a new element

I haven't incorporated into my overarching theory on accelerating. There was so much more boredom, and boredom takes longer. Yes, I can't go to the bathroom without pulling out my phone. Yeah. Taking a picture of my body. Yeah. Sending it to you.

Photographing my body. Ah. My physical body. My physical picture of my body. Yeah. I keep photographing my body. My physical body. My physicality and my body. And I send it to you for your leisure, for your entertainment, for your critique. I think it's only been three years. I do have seven years of photos of you. And I love mapping the progress.

And it's been a roller coaster. And I appreciate you letting me know that, that's fair. But I do think time seems to be moving at a pace that feels unparalleled in my life and untenable untenable yes yes oh it's all culminating to something I think COVID fucked with it too those couple years are kind of gone they're a blur it's a smear it is seven years so COVID falls right in the pocket of that time now last interview I don't remember that I hit you with anything really gotcha, but I do have a single gotcha this one.

I'm gonna go a little harder today. Okay, so. I immediately start sweating. Oh Jesus, here it comes, here it comes. I've been waiting, here it is, okay. You turn down, nobody wants this. Pause. And so my question is,

why didn't you want to kiss my wife? Slash, how long have you been closeted? These are great questions. I have been in the closet about not wanting to kiss your wife for years. For years I pretended to be charmed and delighted by her. That makes sense. So this is a great gotcha.

Mm-hmm. By the way, I wouldn't even have known. I was FaceTiming with Kristen right before this. I go, I have Nick, and she goes, oh yeah, you know, he turned down. Nobody wants this. And I was like, oh my God, thank you so much. Thank you for giving me.

I did my research. Thank you. All these years in, I'm still doing my research. I didn't know that. What, you didn't know what she knew. I didn't know that. What, you didn't know? You didn't know that you turned it down? Okay, here's what happened. You want to take your jacket off?

Yeah. This is like Matt Damon turning down Avatar and missing out on $250 million. Do you know that story? No. He tells it openly. It's wonderful. He was offered 10% of Avatar on the film with James Cameron. To be Signore Weaver?

And I said everything right here. Yes, absolutely. To be Signori Weaver, and I said everything right here. Yes, absolutely to be Signori Weaver. You cannot ignore Signori Weaver. Wait, for real? Yes. Before the first movie. Okay, so I'm in bed with my wife. Uh-huh, making...

Because I'm a straight man. No. Uh-huh. You're temporarily out of the closet. I'm temporarily, yeah, yeah. In bed with your wife. As evidenced by your child. Yeah, both of my children who we conceived.

Uh-huh, and you're holding them like a strong patriarch. In a marital bed as heterosexual husband and wife. Lovers. My wife is like, I started watching The Best Show, and I was like, oh cool, what's it called? She's like, nobody wants this. And I was like, oh, and then I was like, oh. She's like, I love it.

And I was watching it, I was like, oh my God, it's like you. It's so weird, it could be you. It's like hot rabbi, it's like you. This is the kind of role hunt I'm always telling you, you should do. And I was like, I honestly do love Kristen. I couldn't want to kiss this fucking woman less.

Yes, of course. You're like, is there any kissing? Yeah, ew. Well, and that's like a cooties thing, and that. You're like, is there any kissing? Yeah, ew. Well, and that's like a cooties thing, and that's a long time, that's a life. And you're married now, and you refuse to do romantic roles. Well, because my wife wants to kiss your wife, and so she would have been jealous of me.

Yeah. Correct. And I can't have that. You could break up the marriage. It's like a movie by that guy who does those kinds of movies. Yeah, yeah. Carol. Todd Haynes.. It's like a movie by that guy who does those kinds of movies. Yeah, yeah. Carol. Todd Haynes.

Todd Haynes, good. Is that it? And when Monica edits, you're gonna go, like that guy, Todd Haynes! It'll be a problem. Isn't Haynes or Hayes? Haynes, you got it, you got it. Oh, I meant Todd Hayes.

This is a guy who's making movies in the Valley. I'm involved with investing and stuff. So I was like, I think they maybe offered this show to me. And then I went back and I wasn't sure if they had offered it to me or if they just wanted to talk to me about it. And I still don't quite know whether it was, this is yours or you're one of people.

Cause when I read it, I was like, this is good. Kristen's amazing, but they should cast Adam Brody to be this guy. Well, hold on a second. I swear to God. Okay, great. By the way, I didn't know till today they offered it to you. But when I read it, I was like, you gotta get Brody. He's the only option.

Yes, because he's the only symmetrical Jew. He is heartthrob Jew. Can I have a tissue? Absolutely. Give me the whole box. Oh my God, Dax, that was so aggressive. That was meant to be aggressive. This was not. Can I have that over here? Oh, was meant to be aggressive, this was not. Oh.

Can I have that over here? Oh yeah, absolutely. I'm gonna take one for me. Mind if I just spit Loogies out while we are. No, of course. Ms. Monica will test. I'm just a disgusting mess of coffee. He constantly knows.

So you have children and you're just sick for. Six years. Oh, that's on camera? Oh. That's so good, but let's leave the. Let's put that on the floor, yeah. I'm sorry to do this. Kleenex is a personal sponsor

and I travel with my sponsors show to show, so if this is okay, we could just do this. We should do a celebrity line of Kleenex. Nobody has touched that space. Nobody's touched it. They think Kleenex is because they got the branding on it. I could see your faces on that Kleenex box. How cute.

And we're both blowing our noses in a very cute and appealing way. Sick little cutie. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Why did I turn that down? I'm a sick little cutie. How cute and we're both blowing our nose in a very cute and appealing way But Brody I remember checking one but I think he's half Jewish which explains the. The Jews are all kind of angles and circles, and he's got enough of it, it's in the eyes. You feel the sweet kindness of it, but then there's still the square shape of it all.

I keep doing this, does that make sense? Yeah, it does, it does. Now, did you go so far as to go back through your emails to see, you did. It was an offer. I don't remember. I don't know if I fully went back through, have I regretted it watching Adam?

Absolutely just one of the biggest shows on Netflix ever. And people fall in love with him all over again. Yeah. Do you care or not care? There's so many elements that go into these things, especially as you have a family and just choices change slightly where you're like, how does this work? Life just becomes a much more complicated puzzle of,

can I go and make this thing? Literally, it was dead in the middle of when we were having our baby. There were a lot of elements that went into it, and yeah. (*laughing*) If you've asked me if I've watched it, I have not. I cannot watch it.

There we go. That's fantastic. Have you had anyone where you really wanted it, someone else got it? It's still smart when I go out for things, but as a producer and maker of things, you really take the heat off of yourself and others when you don't get something for various reasons.

You can still be very, very good and not right for this based on the particular part or the equation that they are putting out. So major reason I became a writer and producer was to avoid the powerlessness of being cast. I cannot receive this much control. I cannot handle that so I need to start making things so that I can start to be the one who controls the strings. The fengali. The Jewish monster controlling the media properties. Run! That was my take on nobody wants this.

And they didn't want that. They didn't want my take. The Jewish monster. Those two words are never together. I think they're heard together quite a bit these days. The one that I'm dealing with right now, Jesse Armstrong's HBO movie, the guy who made Succession. Yes, yes.

There is a part in there, I got set, and they were like, Jesse Armstrong's doing this thing, Carell, Rami, Jason Schwartzman. Succession to me is just the best thing made. Perfect. It's perfect. This one is about billionaires on a mountain top over like a weekend.

Ooh. And they're all tech billionaires, and I was like, it's rare that a part or a group of people feels like, I feel real for that. Let me be a shitty little tech billionaire in that thing. Overcoming a lot of childhood trauma of being overlooked and then trying to rule the world because no one wanted to kiss you.

Exactly. Then coming down to this big massive story about where we are as a culture and humanity, then boiled down to like a beautiful personal story. I auditioned, my family put me on tape. Self tape. Self tape on like a Sunday after a brunch it was the only time to get it done. You're so full. That's relevant where you do full. It was like a family brunch. We had to do the family brunch. And then I was like I don't know what I'm gonna do this tape my wife's like let's do it right now. And so I fucking did it. You can hear my son screaming in the background on the tape.

And I send it in. you're waiting and waiting and waiting and then, did you get it? No, no. Oh no. I didn't know that was the end. You see the fucking trailer? I'm not in it. I know all those guys a little bit except

Cory Michael Smith, who I adore. We love him. I love his height, I love his three first names. Yeah. So I watched that trailer and I'm like, oh those guys are all great. This is gonna be great. But boy, oh boy, did I wanna buck and be in that so badly.

Yeah. I have no beef towards any of them. Except your son, you resent your son, I assume. Yeah, I blame my family. Yeah, you should. You really should. You really should, that brunch. You should watch it with him.

This is what daddy should be doing if he hadn't done what he did. You couldn't control your emotions for four minutes while he self-taped. But you know, I do just want to put a fine point on that. I too have been liberated by casting people. I just wish every actor could start casting. Yes.

Because man, it takes all the fucking onus off your shoulders. Yeah, you're just like, you're great, but you're not right for this. Yeah. So be it. However, the other part of casting, I will say, is that certain people are undeniable.

Yeah. And every once in a while, you're like, they're not exactly right, but they are undeniable, and so we are going to cast them. They force you to rewrite your original idea. And in my worst moments, I'm like, but if I were undeniable. Yeah, we all just want to be undeniable.

Undeniable. Okay, well that was great. You turned on Nobody Wants It. I think that'll be a hot story. Headlights flying. Oh my God. People are gonna be so thrilled. By what the final outcome was.

How much do you guys consult each other about the stuff you do? Quite a bit. She has to get permission, obviously. Yes, I only let her work. That's a given. Okay, okay. I guess that's true, but that's... Just making sure you knew that.

Because in the modern times, I was trying to be polite. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so if I've decided it's in the window, I want her to work. If I've decided she's done having children. We have such opposite personalities. I know what she'll get in love with and she'll get blinded by this one element. And then I'll just be the little voice going, well, you also need a really good director or you also need blank.

And then conversely, she'll be monitoring my ego and my low self-esteem and reminding me, you know, we help each other in that way. Do you have that? I do have that with my wife. Right now, there's the creative stuff of like, I'm excited by this. She'll be like, that's great. For example, the Jesse Armstrong thing.

You also have indigestion, which is like, the triple crown's coming if you break a bone. So this cough that you're gonna hear, I've had for three weeks. I have two children under five. I believe I've had walking pneumonia like three times in the last year And I'm coughing up. I mean this is just the reality You're in month five. Your kids are older than mine, but you're still carrying

We just got healthy last year after 12 years I seem to be coughing up and it's all color based where I'm like, it's not this green. So everything's okay I can be in public. I just call the doctor and I'm like, it's not this green, so everything's okay, I can be in public. I just call the doctor and I'm like, it's this, it's sort of between this yellow. It's just banana yellow. It's kind of banana yellow. Can you see this, Paisley, in here?

Can you see the color? Sometimes it's this, so I'm not that worried. Call me when it's kiwi, instead of a kiwi. And tell me when the seeds start coming out. And you have your Z-packs. I did start, and I try to avoid antibiotics because I'm RFK till I die. Which I think will be sooner than I think.

He's a great role model. Germ theory is a joke. But I did finally lock into the antibiotics because I was like, I gotta do a bunch of press stuff, I gotta get clean. Gotta detox. Now here I am on day three of the Z pack just like. Wah!

And the indigestion. Why didn't I play the rabbi? Anyway, my wife, I trust her opinion on things. What she's really good at is also being like, whether the piece of material is whatever it is, and sometimes that's just for me to figure out, she will monitor, does this seem like there's something that feels exciting to you or something that you wanna do?

Versus intellectually a good decision. Yes, does this spark joy and excitement? Yeah, now, you know, since I interviewed you, I don't know if this is a fair assessment, but I had this, and maybe I told you then, I don't think I was brave enough to, but I have admired your choices from the get-go, truly. And I guess my conclusion was,

it may be just to mitigate my judgment on myself, but do you think knowing your dad has money has helped? Yeah, we did, I actually went back and listened. Yeah, it was interesting because I went back and was listening to our podcast on the way here, they do my research like you do. Yeah, yeah. I was FaceTiming with Kristen.

You should have, yeah. Did she tell you I was not offered any roles and nobody wants this? They offered you to play her sister. Yeah. We covered that a little and it was interesting. And I think it was sort of a realization in that interview where I was like, oh, this is so interesting to go back

and hear yourself for a conversation you had seven years later. How your mind works where you still will pop up with a similar thought, or I'll record my stand up and I'll improvise in a moment and I'll be listening back and my mind will have a very similar idea again. It makes you be like, boy, I'm not fucking that interesting. No, no, no, it just means you believe what you're doing. Yeah, your mind goes to a similar place.

So I was listening to it and I was like, oh, wow, I hadn't talked about that much and it was very kind of you to say. And I do think the major advantage of my parents growing up very comfortable and very privileged Was the luxury of choice and so as I had my career I could make choices based on the fact that I had a backstop if it didn't work I was gonna be okay that has been the great freedom of that has allowed me to make decisions based on that What has changed is now that I have a family and now that I have responsibilities beyond myself

I feel a greater pressure and decisions that are weighed by more than just pure, does this spark joy? Well, my immediate thought was not to try to reshame you from being privileged. No, I do that to myself constantly. And if you wanna go to the internet, they've been doing a great job of it as well for years. I wondered more because you do produce things now

and there is an element of your now growing business. By the way, my favorite production company name I've ever seen, you know, his production company's named Good At Business, right? Is that what it is? Yes, yes, Good At Business. Good At Business. It was Bobby Bottle Service, my old character,

be like, I'm good at business. Those guys all wanna be good at business. And I wanted to change it at some point, then I was like, no, I think that's just it. Don't ever change it. It's so, so good. As a performer, you just want to be ignited and have fun and be engaged and keep that momentum going. As a producer, it's a different endeavor. You must consider the marketplace.

That also is another advantage, is my dad built a business, and I got to watch him have a business. That was a major benefit to me in innumerable ways, but particularly in understanding the literal economics, but less the economics, more just the managing of something. And particularly my dad was an entrepreneur and built stuff. And so in building a business, I just saw it growing up. Whereas it sounds like you talked about how you grew up, that wasn't around, so you learning how to build a business

had to come innately from yourself? What I did see, I want to give my dad credit, my dad was an entrepreneur. He started many businesses, and they would work out for a while, and he would buy a bunch of stuff, and then he would go bankrupt, and just over and over again. Gotcha, gotcha.

He was a passionate guy at starting things, and not a great manager of things. And that is a distinction. Probably your healing has been like build something and then maintain it. Protect it, be a good steward of it. Yes. And I would say that as I continue to make things and watch other people make things and the difference between people who really successfully make things and the people who

struggle to make things that really blossom is the ability to start something, have an idea that's great, but then continue to fucking grind it until it's right. Because we know a lot of people in our business who have great ideas, write a great version of a script. A great first draft. That needs work. They don't want to keep working it. And you gotta keep sculpting it and polishing it

and editing it over and over and over for it to actually work. Yeah, the endurance aspect of the business isn't something that people really talk about or think about quite often. It's not the fun part. And that's my problem with your fucking dad. Tell me. Please, let it rip. Yeah. This is season eight of Big Mouth.

By the way, I watched three episodes last night. It's as good now or better than it has ever been. Thank you. I just was dying last night. It's so fucking good. That's the longest running show on Netflix, adult show. Actually, nobody wants this now has been on for 10 seasons. They somehow.

No, it'll be the longest running scripted series on Netflix, which is crazy. We did eight seasons on Big Mouth and then Human Resources, which we did a spinooff of for two seasons. So it's about a hundred episodes of this universe that we built. I really think this season's as funny as any seasons we made. No, it's incredible. So we're year eight, right? And can I announce it?

We've done seven, I'm sorry. But can I announce it? This is the final season. Yeah, this is the last interview. This is the end. Because we all died from Kroll's children's illness they picked up at preschool. Not because we wanted to end the show, but with your show, eight seasons in, do you have these psychotic moments where you're like, I think the show sucks and nothing new is

happening, I gotta change it. And then I'm like, no, you don't. Do you have that battle? This particular show, because it's a show about kids going through puberty and adolescence, we made a decision pretty early on that the kids would continue to change. Literally, the song is called Changes, the theme song, Charles Bradley, based off an Ozzy Black Sabbath song originally. And it's about, we're going through changes. Like the show is about change and evolution. And so we were decided early on, these kids are going to change emotionally,

but they're also going to physically change. Season eight, the final season, my character, Nick, who's been tiny the whole run of the show, how I was through puberty, hits a growth spurt. He's in high school now and he grows. And like the character grew. I hit puberty and then all of a sudden in 10th grade, I grew like six inches. And all of a sudden I was taller than Andrew.

So because the show and the characters continued to change and evolve in a real tangible way, it never felt old or stale. That has made the show always interesting and always new and always exciting, as opposed to whether it's like a podcast or a sitcom or a show where people kind of want things to stay the same or people like what they like.

There's a sweet spot. Howard evolved, if you chart Stern from 95 till now, it is a different show, but it was just this perfect level of incremental change as he acknowledged his own changing. He's very smartly kept it evolving in that way and I think on our show in a way, you start with Nick and Andrew,

it's based on me and my friend Andrew Goldberg's life, and we start to grow out. It's like, oh, this girl Jessie, and she got her period, and then it's like, oh, she needs a hormone monster. And then it's like, oh, there's this girl Missy, and then there's Jay, and let's start to explore his house and family. And then by season eight, you just keep broadening out

who your focus is and what stories you can tell, and then always knowing you can come back to your core kids. But there was always new stuff to tackle and look at and try to understand. I want to frame this whole thing. The theme of this one, I want to be best friends. This interview. Mm-hmm, great.

Because I'm still best friends with my best friend from Eleven, Aaron Weekly. You talk to him daily. Almost. You talk to Andrew Weekly daily? That was a joke. Oh, fair and weekly. But you know why it didn't work?

Sadly, it's W-E-A-K. Like he's a weakling, but he's very strong. I bet he is. Please don't challenge him. But that must have affected him. Is he a muscular fellow? No, he's way cooler. He loves who he is more than I do.

Sure. And that's why you guys are good friends. Yeah. You're a star who hates himself, and he's a regular guy who's totally at peace. So I'm watching last night the show and it's still shockingly, Goes hard. The whole time you're kind of like,

I really can't believe it's on TV. Which is a fun feeling to constantly have. Thank you. And I wonder, could you have done that show solo or do you think you and Andrew have a bubble where you're like, as long as you and I think this is okay? It's okay. Andrew who I've known since I was six and we were best friends in middle school. We stayed friends in high school He went to college with actually a couple friends of mine

But then he came out to LA and he started working in animation He worked his way up through Family Guy It's a McFarland's assistant and then became a writer and then producer there. For eight seasons? Yeah. Somebody does do his research. I watched you and McFarland talk. It was really interesting.

Even the thing you just said that your characters age, it didn't even occur to me like, oh yeah, cartoons, the characters don't ever age. No. That's unique. I actually met McFarland through Andrew. It was crazy when I met Seth and then we haven't seen each other very much, because I've stopped crooning. You're right. So we don't see each other on the circuit.

Yeah. Having that conversation with him, I was like, oh, this is very weird. There are not many people I could have this conversation with besides a couple of people like Seth McFarland, who created a show. Trey and Matt won't talk to me. I think with Andrew and I, we had the same thing,

where it was like around sixth, seventh grade, we started hanging out constantly, and we just made each other laugh. And then we went to camp together and we were doing campfire skits. And we were like, if this is funny to us, then who cares? But then we went our own ways. And then we came back together with this show

where he came to me with Mark Levin and Jen Flackett, who he had been their assistant when he first moved to LA 25 years ago. And then they worked in film and television, they made a bunch of stuff, and then they came to me with this idea. They're like, it's you and Andrew going through puberty, it's animated.

That was an idea where it's like, yes, let's go. We all just bring different skills to this thing. The creative bubble of being like, I have whatever I do, my voice is the people I know that I can call in to do stuff. They have an unbelievable knowledge of storytelling and animation and creating a structure and family that makes for a show. So I could do what I do, they could do what they do.

You know, we started this show 25 years after we were those boys. We created a show together that we've now done for eight seasons, but we hadn't worked together in 25 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we come back together, work together, fucking doing Wayne's World sketches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Reenacting. Posting talent shows as we're doing literal word for word Wayne's World.. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Posting talent shows as we're doing literal word-for-word Wayne's World. We've been working together since... Since we ripped off every Saturday Night Live sketch and became heroes. But it's been both gratifying comedically and artistically,

but on a human level, so unbelievably gratifying to reunite with your best friend from childhood to make this thing that then worked in a way that you could never have imagined. If 13-year-old Nick and Andrew are like, you're going to get to go make an animated show. Oh.

On Netflix, no less. A thing that they will understand entirely. Yeah, yeah. Streaming service. On the computer. Yeah. What? Yeah, it's pretty wild.

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by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. ["Wonderful Wondery"] You're good in partnership because you have it with Malaney too. Do you prefer working with a person? I do. I love a person. I mean, I love a sex doll.

Let's be honest. To write with and nothing sex with. Store your pens in their flashlight. Yeah, they're great at breaking. They're great at storing. They're great at holding the pens. But I do like partnership. It's like watching you guys. There's just something intangible about the conversation that for me personally, I'm much more generative that way. Oh yeah, we've done other shows with other people and if we sit down, we have to stop ourselves.

On the fact check, we literally have to stop ourselves. Like, oh, it's been too long. But you know, it also... She's about to tell you that she loves working with other people. Go ahead. And that she would like to permanently work with other people. I'm not. I'm gonna say that I think sometimes

in a three environment, it can be hard. And I can imagine sometimes probably, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I assume that sometimes you're like, it might be easier if it was just me. Not all the time, but in a real way, like, well this person has their own thoughts and I'm coming in with the structure.

So I think some people do prefer a solo, creative endeavor. And that's understandable too. Well that's your standup, you get that as well. Yeah, so I get that in standup. I do love to do that in standup, but I always feel a little insecure. Insecure is probably the wrong word. Like I want to kill myself.

Sure. Suicidal. Yeah, like ideations. No, but I do feel oftentimes like I'm better in conversation and when I do stand-up, I love it, but I'm like, oh, am I lacking that spark that creatively things can come out of me when I'm in conversation that don't come out of me alone.

Okay, Malaney, I was gonna bring that up too. I gotta say, I was embarrassingly kind of ill-informed on Malaney. Turns out so was I. Well, yeah. Then I was on a trip that he was on, and I was like, oh, I really like him. I'm gonna watch his stand-up special.

I watched it. No, I think I was like, you gotta watch. You had been pushing hard for Malaney. You're a first in Malaney family. Yeah, I think he's great. And so you had been pushing hard for Malaney Europe first in Malaney Yeah, I think he's great. And so I watched his stand-up special and I'm an addict anything addict I like it's so fucking great. But then I was wondering were you at that intervention? I produced that intervention Good for business good at business Not good for business. Not good at business. Not good for business.

Losing your mind. It was, I mean, you've been on probably both sides of it. Just to tell you really quick, so Aaron, the reason we're back in business is he went another 19 years after I got sober. He got sober five years ago, and so we too had a restart basically five years ago. And it's like, oh good, back in business.

Yeah, it was so, I mean. You can tell me you don't wanna talk about it. No, because I mean I do. Because I had a relapse and Monica had to deal with it. And she had to be detecting things. And we've explored that a lot. And I think a lot of addicts get to go on TV and talk about the experience.

And I think they get to do standup about it. And I don't really think you hear enough from the people who are fucking terrified and thinking you're losing your mind maybe. Yeah, maybe you and I can do a separate podcast about this. For real. It's so hard. It was so scary and brutal to go through, because he was in New York, I was in LA,

it was the height of the pandemic. So it was incredibly stressful to be in the midst of the pandemic, trying to literally coordinate and produce an intervention, bringing a bunch of different people together, friends from college. And my wife was very pregnant, and I was shooting Don't Worry, Darling, which there was no stress there. I mean, there wasn't for me personally in that,

except it was at the height of COVID pre-vaccine, I had a very pregnant wife and we had COVID scares and that was happening. And then John was running around New York City like a true madman. And I was so deeply scared that he was gonna die. And I was trying to orchestrate all this of combining all the elements that go into these things,

like the intervention person, where he was gonna go, who was gonna be at it. Yeah, you need all that lined up. It was so fucking stressful. And then all of a sudden, I don't know how long your relapse was, but you're all of a sudden going back being like,

oh, that's why I've had an inconsistent friend for the last X amount of time. Yeah. Oh, this explains that. And so it gives you both empathy for them and also tremendous amount of anger because they've been lying to you. The deception. The deception.

Was there a lead up of like, hey man, are you all right? Was there a lot of that pre-intervention? Yeah, I have a very clear memory of being outside at my house. There was someone working inside of my house. This was again, COVID. We had just moved into our new house.

We were about to have our kid. It was just so intense. And I was trying to have these conversations with all these people while this was happening. It was the same week. I have a very clear memory of being outside like sitting on the ground on the phone with him, both of us crying, me just being like,

I'm so scared you're gonna die. And so I felt him feeling the same way, but also like, just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, I'm in this new Airbnb, I gotta go. Yeah, yeah. I have really not talked about this at all, but watching how it evolved, because also when he came out of rehab

and started doing standup all about it, he was still pretty fucking pissed about the intervention because he was on a good time. Yeah. I don't know how you felt when you got clean. There's a lot to unpack for years. He was pretty angry. I was also like, oh, I don't know if I like having jokes

about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when you went out on a huge limb to help him. I don't know if that feels so great. If that's the reward for getting put through the emotional ringer. But then we talked about it and I was like, I don't love how you're representing this.

And he was like, I totally hear you. And everyone's process and art is different. So what he's willing to share, I mean, it's what makes him so fucking funny and dynamic and intoxicating as a performer is that he's giving you a written version of his life, but he is giving you access to elements of himself. And I myself am very guarded in certain ways like that, but it's what makes him such an amazing standup. But I wonder, so for Aaron,

we had 16 years of him still at it, and I never said a word. I knew what was going on, he knew what was going on. I'd go back to Detroit, we'd spend time together. I knew he was doing his best in those times to not be as fucked up as he was. And the very first time I ever said anything was he was growing weed at the time,

there was a house next door, he wanted to buy this. You got nothing wrong with that, keep going. Yep. Everything's great, on the up and up. So I bought him this house. I bought like a house in Detroit for $65,000. And I called him on a Monday to say like, hey, the house is closed,

you can start growing weed in there and He didn't call me back for like five days, which is just not him even in the height of his addiction He's very responsive by day four. I'm wondering is he dead? Yeah, and then when I finally get on the phone with him on day five and he goes, oh, hey, sorry dad I had the worst flu and I go Aaron dude, who do you think you're, dad, I had the worst flu. And I go, Aaron dude, who do you think you're talking to? I had a lot of those flus too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I go, I think you're gonna die really soon, and I don't want you to. And I have a fucking treatment center in the Caribbean. If you wanna go, it's handled. In my mind, I'm like 98% sure he's gonna say fuck you. And he goes, yeah, I'll go. And I was like, oh my fucking God.

Yeah, well, I just gotta add one thing for the comedy. He doesn't have a passport. So now he knows he's going to treatment, but we have to wait five days. That was the most stressful five days of my life. Yes, is he gonna make it? It's exactly that feeling. I knew for a little while what stuff was going on,

but not for however long he had been using. It was only near the end. The fear is you're gonna lie to me or you're gonna be obfuscating. There's a point where there's nothing to lose, right? My main concern, and now I will approach you about this, is I think you're gonna die. Yeah. And that's all I can tell you. He talks about, I was the first one to speak and also he's like, Nick didn't get the memo that we were all gonna be nice to John and I was like, nobody got the memo. I just was like, I'm a good student. If the job is to tell you a letter of how you've been a bad friend, then I'm gonna tell you how you've been a bad friend because this is no more joking around, no more nice shit. Like, it's fucking done. This is serious.

That's the tightrope, I think, with addicts. I didn't know any before I knew Dex, but it is a tightrope to walk where you're not alienating them so that they just completely go off the deep end and don't talk to you anymore. But you have to also say that you see something's wrong. I was just at such a loss. And I was just like, I know you're doing this. And then there was just like, I'm not doing it. Yeah. Also, you're in survival mode too. Yeah, if I tell you I'm doing it,

then the next thing is I have to stop. Yeah, exactly. And I can't at that moment. I'm not there yet. It ultimately, thank God, because where he's landed and how well he's doing in all ways is amazing. Yeah.

And then I'll put an end to this because I don't want you to feel like in any way it's exploitative, but I will add, I just told this story recently, I worked with a comedian who was supposed to be sober, got fucked up in the movie, did so many things. I was about to say enumerable. You already said it a while ago,

and I didn't want to repeat enumerable. It's crazy. It's so good. He did so many things. We almost got in a fistfight on sex. He tried to put glasses on my face and poked me in the eye, and he was so disruptive, and it was a mess. And then two weeks after, I hate his guts,

he has to have an actual cop on set with him. That's how bad it got. And there was a point where he's running through this store and the cops chasing him like Barney Fife is a heavy set cop and he's going, chase me officer, chase me. And I'm on my fucking chair waiting. I just start laughing so hard. And I'm like, oh my God, he's so fucking funny.

It broke my hatred and I started laughing and it's hard to have compassion for people who are charismatic, but it can be harder for people who are really funny and charismatic because they can win people back over. That's the problem with addiction is the rascal. There's something so charming about the rascal and the person who kind of can't stop themselves for going for it and it's intoxicating and they're worried also if they lose that element then does the whole thing unravel.

So I totally get that. Yeah, I wanted to say a few more things about Big Mouth. One is, did I write it? You're at 67 characters you've done on the show. I believe it's 79. Wow. And more than. It was fun to watch you and McFarland talk.

I encourage people, if they're animation nerds, to find you guys chatting. And I was also thinking, what an accomplishment for you to have done eight seasons there. But you're also talking to your dude who's done 20, really, and minimizes. He's like, actually I've done 138 seasons. Oh my God.

Of American Dad. Yes. 25 138 seasons of American Dad. He has 25,000 seasons of Family Guy. Boy, there's a difference between early 2000s and 90s TV money. I asked Mike Sher this at one point when I was interviewing him. I'm like, does it make you a little bit mad that if you had the same career in the 80s and 90s, you would own the Red Sox? You'd be Tom Warner. Yeah, totally.

And you, eight seasons of a fucking show, you'd have a couple hundred million dollars. Mm-hmm. I would. Does it upset you, Nick? No, because daddy's got so much money. Ah! No, but what I will say is we've done fine on the show.

Yeah, yeah. It would have been a different thing years ago, but also we could not have made Big Mouth in the 90s or early 2000s. When we came in, we were the 33rd produced show by Netflix. Now in the fucking hundred millions of shows. But at that point, they were so early, they were letting us do literally whatever we wanted. Yeah.

And letting us take incredibly big risks. And we have been grandfathered into continuing to be able to take those risks. We could not make that show there now exactly. Yes, and by the way, this is so in keeping with the thing I admire about you, which is you might not have gotten $100 million, but you made something that could almost not be made. And of course, on your deathbed,

you'll have so much more pride in that. Right in my deathbed as I'm dying, I'm like, I got so many animated kids to jerk off. We just announced that we're making this new show called Mating Season that will come out a year from now as if it were not another season of Big Mouth but on a similar schedule as Big Mouth called Mating Season about animals dating

and fucking in the woods. Oh, wonderful. Wow. I knew a very grizzly bear voice. You actually do. I'm like, okay. I'm chafed. Can we revisit this in an hour?

It sounds like you're- This is my Wilbur Bramley. Yeah, exactly. America's gonna be a record gold winner. When your little ones come in cold from building a snowman, make them an extra thick bowl of quiver rolls. Can you say diabetes? Diabetes.

Get your blood sugar checked regularly. It's so funny to think about now, he's promoting Quaker Oats. That glucose spike from that oatmeal. They'll nail ya. What a hypocrite Wilford Brimley was. That will be a different kind of show where it won't be kids going through puberty. It's a show about dating and relationships,

so it'll be interesting to start that. So I'm excited that we're continuing this team of people. The machine you built. And it makes sense for a viewer to be like, oh, I liked Big Mouth, now it's about dating and fucking as adults. Okay, the other thing I wanted to say about Big Mouth, similar to when I was watching the studio,

have you watched the studio? I watched most of it, yeah. There's so many accomplishments in the studio. Technically, it's so impressive, it's studio. Technically, it's so impressive. It's so fucking funny. It's so well acted. But when we met with Seth about it, I was like, can you zoom out and take a little bit of pride

about the people that are willing to come be with you? And when I look at the amount of people you've had on Big Mouth over the last eight years, are you able to take in what a testament it is to your character and just that people would want to work with you? Like that to me, I would hope would be one of the nicest things about the show. Thank you. That's a very nicely observed thing.

And it's true. I have a tremendous amount of pride in the core group who's on that show. It's Malaney, it's Maya Rudolph, it's Fred Armisen, it's Jordan Peele's literally last acting job. Wow. Literally, my friend Jesse Klein, a genius writer-performer, and now I.O. Debris and Jason Manzoukas. That's the core cast, Andrew Rannells.

Then the people that we've had on the show, it's insane. A few years ago, Cynthia Rivo came to me and was like, I'd love to do something on the show. And I was like, great. We first went to her with a song to do, and we were like, hey, we have this amazing thing. She was like, amazing, let me hear the demo. And she heard it and she was like,

this is a great song, but I am a diva. She doesn't mean like I'm a diva, but like I'm a diva. And so for me to sing this song, this song has to change. To make sense for me to sing it. Right. You don't want to invite Jordan to play, well, you'd be baby invited to play golf, because you could probably win a couple hundred thousand dollars off him as good as basketball players.

He's fine, Cole. He's fine. He's fine. Not with the way I've been fucking playing. He's gonna come for you, you know, he has vendettas. Oh, that's when it became personal. That whole last dance, everything is just like, that's when it became personal. Most? That whole last dance, everything is just like, that's when it became personal.

Most of his energy was figuring out how he could hate his opponent. Go back and watch his Hall of Fame speech. He's nitpicking like the guy who made the team in high school over him. It's like, bro, you did it. You can't become Michael Jordan without making an enemy. You have to be a fucking killer. And it proves, more importantly, you think to be a fucking killer. And it proves more importantly, you think a trophy and success will heal those wounds,

no, you actually just gotta go heal those wounds. But I think that that's what the great mystery of life, and however you're competitive, whether you're an athlete or if you're making stuff, you have to figure out whatever those wounds created that generates your ambition, your drive, your desire to make things or to be great, How can you heal that thing and maintain that drive? Yes, harness it and then put it away

when you need to put it away. And that's a really hard thing to do because that inner critic is what drives you and it's also what destroys you. Coming back to what you're saying, Cynthia Erivo doesn't do that part. Then we come back to her like, would you like to play Missy's vagina?

And she's like, I would love to. She's great. There's a scene with, it's Cynthia Revo, Ayo Adabri as Missy, Quinta Brunson as the doctor, and Tando A. Newton as Missy's hormone monster. I look at that scene, I'm just like, this is fucking heavy hitters across the board. Lupita Nyong'o, we have multiple Oscar winners.

There's a cast of an Alexander Payne movie or something. It's so funny. We're gonna make some video that'll come out. There's like 34 Oscar nominations. Is a cast of an Alexander Payne movie or something. It's so funny. We're gonna make some video that'll come out. There's like 34 Oscar nominations. Holy shit. Or 18 Oscars in the show. Shall we talk for a second about I Don't Understand You? Sure.

Tell us what happens in this. So this movie is me and Andrew Rannells, we are married, going on our 10 year anniversary, trying to hold onto our marriage a little bit. We've been trying to adopt a baby unsuccessfully. And we go to Italy, we end up in this little Nona's house in the middle of nowhere or Vieto and shit goes wrong. One after another, it's a crazy night basically.

What feels like you're watching at the beginning is, oh, it's kind of a sweet little rom-com, couple struggling on vacation, and then it all unfurls into like a farce thriller. Very funny. Bloody. Bloody, funny. I'm a bit neurotic, a bit controlling, and he's the loose, fun, flighty. This couple, David Craig and Brian Crano, it's based in part on their personal stories

of trying to adopt and then a vacation in Italy that went off the rails that they combined and they wrote and directed it together. And Andrew and I have known each other for now a long time. You guys bonded over not wanting to kiss Kristen Bell. Yes. I have to say it, watching Andrew Anno's and Kristen Bell kiss would be a delight.

Yeah. Two beautiful white people. Yeah, that's right. So white and so beautiful. They could sing together. Oh my God. I'm rooting for them. That is the Todd Haynes movie. But he's been a big part of Big Mouth.

We've been friends. And he's just the funniest, most talented guy. He's got that broadway. He can sing like an angel, but he's deeply funny. And a great actor. Amanda Seyfried plays the woman who we're trying to adopt a baby from, who we're FaceTiming with as she's like, I'm gonna give you my baby,

and we're in the middle of an Italian village covered in blood. Have you gone on location with your family to shoot a lot? I went with Kristen to Italy when we were newly dating, but not with kids. That was outrageously fun. I've taken the kids to London where she was working, and that was not outrageously fun.

And on a cruise ship. And a fucking active cruise ship. I've got a one and three year old. Was that Rogan? Was that Laura Miller Rogan's movie? Yes, yes, yes. It was a really fun movie. Absolutely, if you're in it.

With the Kelsey Graher, yeah. Oh dear Lord. What were you gonna say, do you love it? You have this dream of I'm gonna go make this movie in Italy and my wife was like, let's go to Rome and make this movie. And we had a son at that point who was gonna be nearly two. And so he was starting to be not like a tiny little baby. As we get there, we've realized that my wife is pregnant.

Oh, what do you do about doctor visits? Yeah. Mama Mia, Papa Mia, baby's got a diarrhea. Baby's got a diarrhea. Hey, hey. Do you want to hear really quick, Aaron and I, my best friend, we figured out where that saying comes from.

It is from the early 1900s, and a woman brought her baby to the Italian doctor. Mama mia, a papilla. Baby's got a diarrhea. It's not a big deal. We weaponized it, but it was just good news. They were so worried the baby was something wrong. Or is the baby dying of dysentery?

Yeah, or rotavirus pre vaccine. That's with RFK. It all circles back to RFK. It always does So you have this idea of what the movie is gonna be me and Andrew Rannell's working together Dream me and my wife in Italy our son no longer a little baby making memories making movies Making love Hey now we're talking. All of a sudden it's like, oh, it's a month of night shoots, 45 minutes outside of Rome. So much of the movie takes place at night, and making of the movie was a blast,

but I would get home at like five in the morning, and my son at seven a.m. wants to party, and has revolted against, we brought our nanny with us, and my son wants no part of that. He's done of that. He's done with that. He is scraping at the door. I've just washed mud and rain off

and I've glided into bed and it's just like, wah. And like a busker playing an electric violin outside. So at 7.30 in the morning, my son's like, I wanna go to the park. And I'm just hearing like, bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. It was madness. And that's what's interesting about early days Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. It was madness. That's what's interesting about early days

of family and life and marriages. You're learning on the fly how to do these things. So you have to make these choices mistakes. Yeah. Making the movie was not a mistake at all. I'm really proud of the movie, I love it. But it was a very hard physical thing to figure out. Yes.

I showed my wife the movie. I was so relieved that she's like, oh, this is great. Right. It was all worth it. Yes. And we also had unbelievable times. I would go with my son up to Villa Borgese, that park above the Spanish Steps. And I would take him on a little merry-go-round and walk him around and go to the zoo and just laugh at these animals. You dumb idiots.

You guys stuck here. Look at us. We're free. Free. Excuse me. Actually, I have a pickup in 13 minutes. I dumb idiots, you guys stuck here. Look at us, we're free. Excuse me, I actually have a pickup in 13 minutes. I've got real thoughts. Oh my God. Are they controversial? Go see me on the road to see the material.

Oh. So how many dates do you do a year? I don't do many dates. Stand Up, I did a special 22 or 23. So good. Thank you very much. Called Little Big Boy on Netflix. And then I always have 20, 30 minutes in the pocket that I'm working on or playing with. I'm going to go do some dates this summer.

I'm doing a couple dates with Mulaney, Bir Biglia, Fred Armisen at some big festivals in Canada. I'm doing another festival in Canada with Kumail, Jezelnik, and Michael Che. And then I'm doing some mess around stuff here and there. I'm always at Largo in LA when I'm here. We recently read the top 10 earners of standup. And we were just aghast. Yeah, I was gonna say I gotta buy diapers. But I gotta say, I didn't always have to buy diapers

because I got your guys' products. Was really grateful for. Oh good. It went bankrupt and we no longer have anything to do with it. I had a feeling. Yeah. Thought I'd be hearing more about it. You thought maybe those diapers were going to come back into play.

Good at business. Good at business. Yeah, really good at business. Especially the diaper business. Good at business, medium at diapers. Yeah. And even less so with my beer company. No, that one you're enjoying. Aaron and I have an NA beer. Can I try it? Absolutely.

Please send it. They're good. It's outrageous. I still drink much less than I used to, but my skin is so crazy that when I drink alcohol sometimes, my face will become wildly flush. The Asian in you comes out? Yeah, well I'm married to an Asian woman,

but it makes the Asian flush look very cool compared to what happens to my face, which looks like a storm. Angry hostile. Like a Doppler. Oh, there's a tornado, which looks like a storm. Angry hostile. Like a doppler. Oh, there's a tornado, because it's not clean.

It's not like an archy comic. It's like, ooh. And it's moving. Yes. It's gaining strength. So that's what I do, is I do a couple of N.A. beers. I do five to 10 mushroom chocolates. I crush up some gummies,

pop those right off the Shinozeroo. You gotta really crush them up, folks, because I wanna be responsible on this podcast. If you're gonna snort your edibles, you gotta pulverize them. Use a mortar and a pestle. A lot of people aren't. Of course, they don't know.

And bring that with you everywhere you go. Everywhere you go. Your mortar and pestle. I'm a chair expert, if you dare. ["The Daily Show Theme"] Sorry, real quick about the special. You do a bit about moms being annoying. That is so spot on and good, and I think about it. Every time it was your mom. Definitely every time I talked to my mother.

We are on the heels of Mother's Day, And yeah, I think about it all the time. They are so annoying, but we love them. It's the most thankless job in the world. It's such a wild job and upsetting. It's brutal. Have you watched Love on the Spectrum? I've watched a little bit of it. Watch a little bit more just to get this.

And I think this was Kristen's observation. The thing that unites all kids on the Spectrum is they are relentlessly mean to their mothers. Every time their mom starts talking to them, and I think this was Kristen's observation. The thing that unites all kids on the spectrum is they are relentlessly mean to their mothers. Every time their mom starts talking, they're like, oh, mom, like, these poor mothers, they have this kid that they have to give so much time to. Which is an essence of what it is,

I think, to have to be a mother, which is the emotional connection that we feel to mothers. Fathers, it's not like we're nothing, but they can take or leave us a little bit. Moms, there's such an importance to that emotional connection that it also flares up. And it's tough, because I think that joke is about my shortness, I do say that moms are annoying.

What I believe the joke is about is my impatience, my inability to see through what she's trying to do, which is just love me. Yes, of course. I don't know if my mother sees it that way exactly. She's like, a lot of people have talked to me about your mother joke. I don't always talk about my personal life

and family in standup. When I do in that case, it resonates with people because I think it's something people really do connect with and can relate to. It is the most relatable. And for this reason you're saying, everyone is just so impatient and mean to their moms and they are calling to say like Hey, I just re-upped your triple-a. It's like why'd you do that? Yeah

Yeah Can't do anything right so crazy. So thank you for that Yes, so lastly This is a very busy couple months for you Bigmouth comes out May 23rd adult comes out on FX on May 28th, and then drops on Hulu that night May 29th, all eight episodes. And then I Don't Understand You, June 6th.

Yeah. So every few days, you have a big project coming out. I have three projects come out in three weeks that culminates about 15 years of my work life. Yeah. In over a three week period. They're all dramatically different as well, which is helpful.

It's not like you have three superhero movies coming out in a week, and you gotta somehow explain. How upsetting. That's next year. I can't believe I'm the bridge between DC and Marvel again. So Adults is. I watched it last night. Oh you did? Yeah.

Awesome. You can immediately sense when something's generated by the people in the show and that they have some rapport and that they're real comedians and they weren't just cobbled together with whoever had an agent. Yes. Like you watch a broad senior meeting and they're like, yep.

It was created by Rebecca Shaw and Ben Cronengold who are super young. When I met them, they were 24. It's been almost four and a half years since we first met to when the show is now being made. It's about young 20-somethings in New York and that great tradition of shows, the pitch was always like if friends they were in the West Village and then girls and Broad City now those kids are living in Brooklyn, now that kid is living in deep Queens.

Right. They're living in like flushing because that's where one of them's parents have a house where they can all live. They're all freeloading. And one of the gals wants to now incorporate her new boyfriend. Yes. A young Monica Padman. She's fantastic. She's fucking funny.

They're all, and so we cast all those kids. None of them knew each other. It's five, twenty-somethings. Some stand-ups, some actors, some TikTok-based people. All incredibly funny performers. My hope is you watch that and you're like, oh, this group of people seem like friends. There's a vibe.

I wish my friends were like this, or this is what my friends are like, or this is what I remember my friends being like in my early 20s. And you produced it? I produced it and then directed a little of it. Nice. When I was watching it,

I don't know why I get so comforted by this. I've said this before, but when I watch English Teacher, I don't know if you've seen that show, not to get on a soapbox, but I think early when I was adjusting to the transition in comedy, which was totally righteous, you should let the folks make the jokes who the jokes are about. And I watched English Teacher and I was like, yes, this dude's gay and he's going so fucking hard on this topic and that was the solution. What I didn't want was for these topics to go away.

Everyone needs to get made fun of. Let them do it themselves. I think we all have this maybe knee-jerk concern that the younger generation's so fragile and precious. And so the thing that was so comforting about seeing this is like, oh, they're going fucking hard. Like the kid they know comes out about being molested and they're just going so hard about him being molested.

And I was like, oh, wonderful. Comedy is still very much alive and the younger kids are gonna push just as fucking hard and just let them do it. That's the part I really liked about the show. The creators, Ben and Rebecca, again, super young. They are fully Gen Z, so they love their friends and they love their generation,

but they also see what is inherently silly about it. And so the show is kind of that. They're making fun of everything that we feel about Gen Z, but it's also with real love. It's coming from the inside. Yes. And not the outside. Yes, and so it's not like these fucking Gen Z kids

and they're sensitive. My hope is that it's a little post identity politics. Yes. So they're just sort of existing inside of it. And it's not like as this person, I feel this way is part of the whole. No, I was just enormously relieved watching it. Oh good, comedy is gonna win.

Is it too late to put on the poster, Dax Shepard? I was enormously relieved. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Cause I go into everything thinking, oh these fucking crutches. I was enormously relieved. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha about like, let's do this. They were like, we love Big Mouth, we wanna make live action Big Mouth for our 20s. It has become its own thing entirely, but there is a natural feeling of, oh, what we're trying to do with puberty, they're doing with their early 20s.

This moment in life that you are in this space and what's funny about it and how can we heighten that out and do some sort of surrealist things about it that speak to the emotional truths that lie underneath it. Yeah, if you have a tone that's said, it goes hard. It goes fucking hard. Oh, I was gonna say, you're talking about me, and I would never say that about myself.

It's so funny where I'm like, yeah, I go fucking hard. Yeah, of course you wouldn't say that. Billy Bob bottles, what's his name? Billy Bottles. It's my Billy Bob Thornton doing bottle service. Can I be your brother that shows up as Billy Bottles? Yeah. I do wanna bring back Bobby Bottles' service service because I think he'd be like way into crypto

I bought fucking doja cat coin Now it's down the floor Fucking I'm using positivity and maximizing my potential to move to Puerto Rico So I should be able to make all my money back and then some. Never sell. That's the thing, never. Never sell, never settle. Here's the other option, go entirely on emotion.

Buy and sell. Go with the market. Keep going with the market. Chase. Change course. Don't wait. You wanna chase in finance. Never trust your instincts.

I wanna have a quick conversation with Coach Steve as Hermium Permium. Oh, okay. Because I feel like they share an essence and I just want to see how it goes. I'm excited to see this. So I'm just going to introduce you to Hermium Permium. He lives by himself in an apartment and that goes pretty well. Where do you live, Steve? I'm not living anywhere in particular,

so I'm just wondering if you got extra, you know, you got extra space in that place, maybe we could crash together for a while. Oh, I'd love to have some visitors over. My mom misses Monica. She's in and out sometimes, and she'll bring snacks. Well, you know, if Monica wants to hang out, if your mom, who it's not clear if she's alive or not,

or if this is kind of a base motel situation, any way you want to play it, I'll hang out with her, I'll hang out with the dead corpse, I'll do whatever you need to do. I'm here to hang forever, for long term, for whatever you need. Do you have any allergies? I've got a couple allergies.

I'm allergic to, I've been living on a diaper barge. Oh. Turns out I'm allergic to all the diapers that are on there, the used diapers. I have bee stings. Are you allergic to the bees? The thing I think. Wait, you...

I should mention I'm also dying. I got classic TB. Oh no, I had an uncle who passed. I'm so sorry, does he need company? Should I go hang out with him? This has been great. Okay, and then the last one, I wanna do Frito talking to hormone monster.

Oh God. Cause I feel like we could go somewhere that might make Monica throw up. She hates Frito. Cause she hates the hormone monster. Oh, the hormone monster's scary too. Oh, this guy's awesome. If you met my hormone monster, he's so horny.

Oh, that's right. Alfredo Lay is better than just about anyone I know. Tell her everything. Oh, he puts it in. He gets it out. He puts it back in. I can do it forever, Monica. I don't want to be here.

He can't come. I can't do it, because it's so sexy. Yeah, because he likes the edge. He brings it right to the edge. I live on the edge, Monica. Yeah, that the edge. I live on the edge, Monica. Yeah, that's right. He lives on the edge in New York. If you ever go to the Hudson Yards,

that weird tower that they built, it's called the edge. Yeah, he likes to hang out there. Have you ever eaten steak, monster? Oh, I love to eat steak. I go to Morton's, the Bobby Bottle Service. You ever have a ribeye steak? Ribeye's the best steak you could ever eat. Nothing like power that.

I can't even afford a ribeye, but it's delicious. Ooh, buddy. I'll take you to get a ribeye, and then we'll make some extra butter for that mashed potatoes if you'd like. You know what butter is code for, Monica? Sauce. Oh, thank you.

That was disgusting. People are throwing up. Your fucking vocal cords are done. I know, we, thank you. That was disgusting. People are throwing up. Your vocal cords are done. I know, we have killed you. You're gonna have to double up on the Z. Can you double a Z? I always double my Z. Nick, you're a blast.

I wish you came more frequently than every seven years. That's what my wife said. Hey, got a Z. And by the way, it's so crazy, the show was already working seven years ago, but to watch your show absolutely explode over these seven years has been amazing. Oh, well thank you.

You're part of that success story. Everyone in the first year when there was no reason to trust us, I have deep gratitude. Next time you have three projects coming out in a week, please come back. And congrats on getting married and having two children since we saw you last. I wish you could have been congratulating me for being a part of making that with my wife.

Yeah, you just wouldn't do it. Oh no, we're still making out. Just now we're doing it on TV. Well then I'm relieved by that. I don't mind that you're not in the show, but the fact that you're disgusted by my bride is unacceptable. All right, be well.

Thank you for having me. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank you for having me. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gotta let him have the facts. I got my hair cut today. Barb did my hair. Barb Thompson. Where'd you find Barb?

Barb Chopstick? What'd you say? Don't ever say that again. What did you say? Barb Thompson. Thompson, okay. She's awesome. And she's done my hair before.

She did it for a gala. Okay. One of the only gals I've ever been to. And she's great. Always a bridesmaid, never a gala. I know. And she said you did a great job. Are you growing your hair out on your legs too?

Don't look, I just haven't shaved, fuck. But I didn't know if you were making a decision like everyone's making. That was a fair question. What happened? I can't believe you did that. Well, I wanted to celebrate you if you were embracing. Fuck that, no.

Okay. I take care of my hair. I just haven't and it's hot out. Yeah, no! Okay. I take care of my hair. Okay. I just haven't and it's hot out. Yeah, that's great. Can you understand there's a movement where women aren't shaving anymore and I thought maybe you joined that movement.

I was really actually self-conscious. Oh, and I mean it was. That it would get noticed. And I was like, there's no way anyone will notice and you noticed immediately. I'm very observant, you know this about me. I know. I don't miss a thing.

It just takes a long time to shave. Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I shave my arms now. I have all this money tied up in these tattoos and I want them to be visible. That makes sense. Well, you know, I also, I have to groom my arms, my legs, my armpits, my vagina parts.

Yeah, and I feel terrible for you. I've said that now. And my eyebrow. Now that I'm grooming a lot. Yeah, it sucks feel terrible for you. I've said that now. And my eyebrow. Now that I'm grooming a lot. Yeah, it sucks. Speaking of, how's the cashmere? We haven't even seen it in a while.

Well, you know who's a real producer is Delta. Yeah. Yeah. But are you collecting? Yeah, yeah, it's growing. Although I may have a big, I might have a, I'm now thinking I might have a nice deposit in the drawer in my bathroom. I think maybe I haven't transferred some to the

Okay, great. The main storage. Okay, great. Okay, I had been wanting to tell you a story. Oh yeah. Okay, so we all went to Monster Jam on Saturday. Yeah, who's, describe we all. Okay, so we all is Charlie and the boys,

Ace and Wilder, the two handsomest men in Los Angeles. And then my girls, Lincoln and Delta, and then Delta's friend. Fun. Yeah, and then Eric. Eric, yeah, that's all. So we went, it was immediately fun. It's so fun, Monster Jam's so fun.

We got to ride in the like 12 passenger monster truck. That's great. I was kind of not clocking any of this, but apparently Delta and her friend had brought their two most important stuffies in a red bag. I didn't know that. I probably would have been like, maybe we don't bring them into the event.

Can you describe the stuffies? Yes, it's imperative that people understand the stakes here. So anyone that knows Delta would know her son, Groot. Oh my God. I don't even count Groot as a stuffy. When you said that, I wasn't thinking of him. He's a real boy. He really is.

Unlike the robot. I don't know that I've ever seen, and I had very deep relationships with my stuffies. I had three bears that I loved and I thought about them. And if I was gone too long, I felt guilty. Like I was very in touch and close with my stuffies. What were their names? I don't, I didn't name them.

Just one was a polar bear, one was a brown bear, and one was like a koala bear. They were different breeds, so I didn't breeds the species. So you just said koala, polar. I just never was like addressing them. I was just squeezing them and feeling guilty. But what if like it was downstairs and you had to tell your mom like,

oh my God, polar is missing. That would never like. It would never happen. I would never. Lose track never happen. I would never. Lose track. Never. Okay. And they didn't travel out of my room either. Oh.

Because I was too afraid something would happen to them in the wild. Okay, but to put like this in perspective, Groot goes everywhere with us. Groot has truly a bigger wardrobe than Delta. Yeah. He has many different jammies. He has swimwear. He has like. jammies, he has swimwear.

He has like- For Delta's birthday, she'll often ask for clothes for Groot. Mostly that's all she asks for is things for Groot. And he has books he reads and he's an artist and she makes him dinner and he- Aw, that's so sweet. It's such a huge part of her life, Groot. And then I didn't know this,

I learned this recently about Groot. She was kind of explaining what was going on with him athletically. And then I said, is Groot disabled? And she said, yeah, Groot is disabled. And I said, oh, what's his disability? And she said, well, he's half tree and half boy. So he needs to breathe carbon dioxide as a tree, but he needs to breathe oxygen as a boy.

So his lungs are like half dedicated to breathing. And so that's kind of an impairment for his cardiovascular. Additionally, this is all real. Like I didn't even know Groot was disabled. Well, obviously. But I just had a hunch. There was some way she was talking about was athleticism and his outfit. Sure.

I don't know, I asked. And he is. And then she went on to tell me, another challenge he has is he's got both veins. And then he also has to have plumbing for the water. So it's like his body's sharing a lot of- Wow, double duty. Double duty, also his bark hasn't come in

and that's gonna make him more stable. Wow, he's frazzled to the elements. Okay, wow. And I'm gonna be honest, I love Groot. Like he's also my grandson and when we snuggle at night I go, I want a little time with Groot so he has to be in my- Oh, and does everyone have to leave?

No, no, no, no. Just I will want Groot in my left nook and Delta in my right nook if we're all laying together. But she's gotta give me some grandpa visits. Okay, nevermind. Anyone? Uh-oh. Nevermind, I don't wanna say.

Okay, okay, good. I'm afraid I know it. It's because you like him in your nook and like a kid, like a kid. Yeah, like a little baby boy. So, okay, so great time. We're having the best time. Now we're up in this huge suite.

There's like 50 people in there. It's a blast. It's hectic. And Delta comes up like mid show. Again, I'm gonna say it. I've said it before. There's no better show on earth than Monster Jam. It starts and it doesn't let up.

Race, race, race, race, race, stun, stun, stun. So it's a party, we're eating food. And then Delta comes up to me and she is, she's passed, like she's, I don't wanna say she's hyperventilating. She is so scared and panicked. And she said, we lost Groot. And I'm like, what do you mean?

I didn't even know Groot was in here. We lost the bag. So her friend was in charge of carrying the bag. She brought it in here. Someone maybe stole it or whatever. I'm like, okay, no one stole it. Everyone that came is still here. No one left mid time, you know?

So now we start scouring all the bathrooms in there and then we go through systematically and we look under every single chair. This takes 35, 40 minutes. I'm missing the monster jam. Sure, but you can hear it still. I can hear it, that is helpful. And I say at some point, okay, it's not in here,

which means it didn't come up here. Now we arrived and we went right out onto the arena floor to take that ride. So it's like, we're seven stories up. That was pre-show. So now, Charlie and I- Did they take him into the monster truck? Yes, so well here becomes the investigation.

So then Charlie and I are, I'm like, oh, I made a video of them get, I'm like, did they even bring the bag out of the car? Right, let's hope not. I took pictures. I take some, oh yeah, there's the red bag. Then I have footage of them getting on to the monster truck and she's carrying the bag.

We don't have footage of them getting off, but I'm like, but this is, she would have never set it down in the elevator or on the walk. It definitely had to get left in the truck. So now, exactly. And we're now mid show. This is hours later.

And I- And is that truck like out on the thing? No, that truck has now been already put in a trailer to go to the next Monster Jam. So I like- This is like a like, I asked my friend Sally, who I've been, you know, going to Monster Jam with Sally as our host for, I don't know, eight years now. She's an incredible lady.

She's an arm cherry. She's so sweet. And I'm like, I don't know what else to do, but like, here's the situation. She's a mom. And I'm like, I don't know what else to do, but like, here's the situation. She's a mom. She put out a full court press. Oh, look, okay, I'll try to get into that truck. Like I'll try to find the truck in the parking lot

and try to get into the semi to get into this. Mom's been a little. Oh my God. So like an hour goes by and Delta's really like, she lost her son. Oh my God. And I'm very pessimistic.'s really like, she lost her son. Oh my gosh. And I'm very pessimistic. I'm like, who knows? They set that bag down anyway.

There was so many bags and so many things and so much equipment and it's in an arena. So I was really, really pessimistic. And then the show ends and then we just sit there for another 45 minutes while the whole place clears out. We're kind of like waiting to see if they're gonna find Group. And then she says, well, you guys are free to,

if you wanna just wait in the car. So anyways, we go sit in the car now, and then I get a text from Sally, and it's a picture of her, and she's a lady, and she's holding the bag. She found the bag in a random golf cart somewhere. No. No. Yeah.

It was- On its way to the trash. On its way to a sex trafficking. She saved, don't say that. Oh my God. Oh my God, what a tale. Oh my God. It was the amount of relief I felt.

So obsessed, scary. When that bag returned. You know, I was starting to think about what our next two weeks to a month, like I was like, this is gonna be. Imagine when it's like to lose your son, you never get over it. Yeah, it's gonna be devastating in a way

that I'm not sure how we're all gonna deal with. We lost Groot forever. That is so scary. And then I said to her, I was like, once we had Groot, I was like, you know, I started thinking like, what do I do? Would you have wanted me to find the same Gru? And she's like, no.

Yeah, cause it's real and he's real and there's no replacing them. Well, and so she answered our long lasting question about would you clone? Would you clone your dog or your kid? She won't. She won't. Yeah, I guess she has. She's like me. Yeah, she is.

I guess she has ethics. I don't know. We don't know. We don't know what that means ethically. Gosh, that's why. But okay, if he had gone in the monster truck and then got sent to the next monster truck show, that's a kid's book.

That's a children's book. And like, they love him and he becomes kind of a mascot for Monster Jam. Yes, but then he returns back home always. Yeah, but he's like, now he chews tobacco and he's grown up a little bit. We have different versions of the story. Well, he's on the Monster Jam tour.

Yeah, he is. He's on the tour. He's not going to like symposiums on physics. But he's very, it's very Toy Story. Yes, yes, he could have been on a real adventure. I don't think all the dust from the monster truck would be good for his lungs. Well, not given what I've learned about his.

Exactly. Now, what if like the driver of Gravedigger found him and started keeping him on the dash? Oh. And we could like, then we were watching and he was riding on the dash proudly. Oh my God, that's terrifying. Oh, it was really an event.

So I missed a good half of Monster Jam, both looking for and then panicking over. Sally, really a hero. Oh my God, the hero of all heroes. Wow. Yeah, I mean, if you were to ask me at some point what I would pay for his safe return, it would have been embarrassing.

I know, but that's life. It's like, you can't buy health. Well, actually, I mean, to an extent you can, which is a problem, but you know, that's why health is the most important thing we have. And just being there, I guess. Being alive. Yeah, being there.

Being present. Being present. Well, I'm also grateful because I immediately got codependent for the girl, the friend. Can you imagine? No, I know. So that was all happening. She now feels so guilty and she's crying.

Delta's crying inconsolably. Yep. Her friend's crying. Yeah, this is the worst day. I'm like the dad watching. And so I kept going, oh sweetie, it's totally okay. Delta should have been carrying her own bag. It's not a thing. Oh, that's nice you said.

Yeah, I was like trying to comfort her and trying to comfort Delta. Her Groot is in there too. Oh, it is? She's got the double whammy. She's lost her stuffy and she lost Delta's stuffy. Who was her stuffy? I didn't get a good gander at it once.

They were all reunited. I didn't even know we were bringing stuffies to Monster Jam. Not anymore. I hope not. And then, okay, now this is the thing that we go back to. We've been talking about this the last few episodes. I'm like, and I'm talking to Charlie and Eric, I'm like, you know, all I gotta do is keep trying

to find group and not say this is why we don't bring, what you wanna say as a parent is this is why we don't bring stuffies to sporting events. And I was like, she has learned that lesson. I don't need to tell her that. She is in major discomfort. Yeah. And so I let it go. But then I, on the way home,

I was just saying how grateful I was that he's back. He was slipping it in a little bit? A little bit. Okay. And then I said, he's just so valuable. We gotta make sure that we're safe when we bring him places. She goes, but he can't just be a boy that lives at home and doesn't go and do things.

I can't just be protecting him from, and I'm like that. I know that's a great point, but there's a ton of things we can take him to so he's not stuck in the house, but that are also maybe not so distracting as Monster Jam. This is complex, because this is how you feel about your kids.

This is how you parent them. You're like, you know, I'm gonna let them go explore the world. And another person could say, look, they're a little too valuable for that. Don't let them just go down the street to Ralph's, where there's crazies. So it looks like she's-

She's inherited my parenting. Looks like it's scared. She's inherited my parenting. Looks like it's a virtue. Yeah, in this case. Wow. I'm grateful. I'm so grateful. I would have been really- You understand. Yeah, it would have been so sad if Groot,

I mean, I would have been happy for him if he was on an adventure, but we know that really he would have gone in the trash. Well, he's so cute. Dax, missing persons after like 48 hours, they're dead. Okay, so you think he might someone murder him? Trash. I just can't imagine holding that little guy.

He's so sweet looking. Oh, I know. I told you that's why I didn't know he had a disability because he's so smiley. I have no idea he's suffering from anything. He's in a perpetually great mood. Well, that's the thing. Is he in pain?

Is he in pain? It sounded like there's some pain accompanying these. Okay. Yeah. The whole carbon dioxide thing is- Now don't trick her into getting pain meds for him. I might see if we can get some nerve blockers. Oh my God, wow.

That isn't quite an adventure. I'm really glad that had a happy ending. Oh, me too. Anything fun happen to you? Yeah, okay, so you've been gone a couple days. In the meantime, I've watched two full seasons of You, the show You, which reminds me I wanna play the thing. That's a show about me?

Exactly, it's about time that we revisit that, because I'm watching it. Oh, it's such a great exchange. Okay, let's. Laura Ingraham? Yeah. You want me to put it on the TV? Oh yeah, you can. Oh yeah. It's one of my favorite clip of all time.

And now it has extra meaning because I'm watching the show. Is it a great show? I love it. It has real Veronica Mars vibes. Oh, fun. But it's like Dexter meets Veronica Mars. But I've never seen Dexter. Okay, let's watch this real quick. Yeah.

You know, I was watching an episode of you where measles came up. Wait, wait, wait, why did I mention measles? I don't know, it was on you. What was on you. What was on me? What are you talking about? I never had the measles. What's on you?

We never did a measles and vaccine episode. Is this a joke? I know what you're talking about. It was on you. It was on you. I never had, Raymond I've never had... Raymond, I've never had Neasel. What are you talking about?

Stupid. It was an episode of the show, Laura. What's it called? You... You... You've never done a show on Neasel. I just completely give up. We gotta go.

I give up. I called you on Netflix. It's a show called Laura and I'm... I'm moving on to Adele. I can't believe it. I'm moving on to Adele. I can't believe it. I'm moving on to Adele.

I can't believe it. I'm moving on to Adele. I can't believe it. I'm moving on to Adele. I called you on Netflix. This is your call, Lauren. I'm moving on to Adele. I can't explain this, dude. What are they talking about? So stupid. It's so funny. It's a real life who's on first.

It really is. Oh my God. Anyway, so yeah, I started U random. It like popped up as the next, this never works out. Right, right, auto recommend. Auto play or whatever. And I was like, sure, why not? Watch the whole thing. And then last night stayed up so late.

I couldn't even look at the time. I was too afraid to look. Oh wow. And watch all season two. How many episodes in each, 10? 10. So you watched 20 episodes. They're like 45-ish minutes.

Whoa. Yes. Oh my God. Okay, so it is Penn Badgley from Gossip Girl, who I loved back then, Dan Humphrey. Okay, great. And he recently, he has a podcast, but also I saw there's like an Instagram kind of viral video

of him like dancing on one of these talk shows. And I was like, well, in my opinion. And so I was like, oh yeah, I love him. And then he pops up. So dancing is attractive. You know what? It is. I'm gonna circle back. I didn't say it wasn't.

Right, right, right. You just didn't put it very high on the gonna circle back. I didn't say it wasn't. Right, right, right. You just didn't put it very high on the list. Yeah, but turns out it's really hot. So anyway, then it pops up and he is a, he's a stalker, like he's obsessed with this woman. There's like murder. He's a psychopath, but it's a love story and he's hot.

And it's confusing. It's sexy, it's scary. Yeah, very thin line for women there. Well, I know, and I hated myself, of course. Sure. I heard him say on an interview, something like that, like, or someone asked like, what do you think of when people say he's hot?

And he was like, he's a killer. So I saw that clip before I watched the show and I was like, yeah, he's right. People are crazy. And then of course I'm like, he's hot. He's also tricky because he's kind of a good boyfriend if he wasn't a murderer and putting people in cages. Right. Right.

Yeah. Who just was everyone obsessed with that also was a murderer? Wasn't there recently someone everyone thought was hot? Is it the United Health assassin with people like really horny for him? Luigi. Luigi.

That one I find, that's real life so I find that much more complicated. I do not think he's hot. You don't think he's hot? No. I don't think there's anything good about killing. Would you think he was hot without the murder? There's no way for me to know. Yeah, you can't go back in time.

You have very powerful eyebrows. I don't think murder is hot in real life, and I don't think vigilantes are hot. Okay. And I don't think vigilantes are hot. Okay. I'm gonna say that. Good to know. I'm not, there's a lot of people that are like good for him.

Oh yeah. And I disagree. Yeah, yeah. I disagree, holy. I think that industry is evil and I don't think you're allowed to kill people. Exactly, exactly, yeah. Except in the show, sometimes he does kill some people

I really don't like. And it is vigilante. And you're happy. And like, it's for kids. He's protect, sometimes he protects kids. He's weird, he's like kind of this like good friend. Hard to pin down. Mixed messages.

Really, really mixed messages. Anyway, I am loving it. Oh wow, that's great. Five seasons. Oh, there's five, oh, so you're fucked for the whole week. I know. So what time did you go to bed? I really don't know, but I was so tired

when my alarm went off at nine. Oh, okay, yeah. And so I probably had to go back to bed. Probably three. Wow, you're nasty. I can't help myself. I know, you're indulgent. And because I'm scared a little,

like it's very cliffhanger-y, it's very good at keeping you on the hook, so I'm a little too scared in those scenarios to go to bed. Like I need to know how it's completed, but they do a good job at the end of each season too. So I did star episode three, but then I was like, Monica, no. Yeah, you got to stop.

I got to stop. So I turned it off about halfway through that. When I woke up this morning, after so much murder, I was like, I think I need to take a break today. Cause it really gets infiltrated. And then it made me think this is what's happening with boys in video games. Oh. They're just, it's like a constant,

they're living in this world that's dark and bleak and they're shooting people and stuff. And then like reality starts to disappear. Hmm. You're feeling that happen to you? Well, I just could see it. This is your OCD. This is, you think you're a killer

or you think you're a pervert. I don't, okay, in this show, it's a lot of voiceover cause you're hearing his thoughts. Yeah. And so then today, I was kind of hearing my thoughts like that. Right. And I thought I need to take a break.

Yeah, take a little break. No, but I also really wanna know what happened. Keep going. Ah! All right, let's see if there's anything else I wanna talk about you. You know, you're really tunnel vision. Me?

Pfft. It is easy, I get why. Oh yeah. I get how it happened. He's only so culpable. It was very confusing. But it was just. And he didn't do a good job. He's only so culpable, it was very confusing. But it was just. And he didn't do a good job,

like he should have recognized what was going on much sooner and said, it's a television show on Netflix and the title is you. And the title is you, why oh you. Yes, and not Laura Ingram. But he did end up saying, it's a show on Netflix called you. And she still said, oh, I don't want Netflix.

But he did say I was watching You about seven times before it's a show on Netflix. It's so good, I almost feel like it's fake and I don't wanna like look too into it. I don't think so. I don't either. It is such a genuine reaction from her. All right, well, that's it.

Let's move into facts. Yeah, yeah, facts. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. So facts for Nick Kroll. When he said daddy's money, when he brought that, I keep thinking how funny that was when he said that. Do you remember that? Yes. I don't care, because I have daddy's money, when he brought that, I keep thinking how funny that was when he said that. Do you remember that? He's like, I don't care, because I have daddy's money.

Yeah, that was so funny. Also, I wrote down specifically when he said, sick little cutie. I laughed so hard at sick little cutie. I thought that was the funniest. It was just a sick little cutie. Ah. Yeah, he was a mess. He a sick little cutie. Ah, ah, ah, ah. He was a mess.

He was coughing and snorting, a little indigestion there for a minute. I fucking loved it. It was great. And then I was kind of like, oh, sick little cutie is kind of like my kink. That is your kink, sick little cutie. That could be your clothing line.

Sick little cuties. Sick little cutie. That could be your clothing line. Sick little cuties. Sick little cuties. Anyway, that was just like really made me laugh. He's so funny. But it's more than that. He's got that thing some people have where he is just like infinitely comfortable in his own skin, which is so appealing.

Yeah. It's such a comforting personality type. Confident. It is. Yeah. The women came a comforting personality type. It is. Yeah. The women came after me. Should I tell you that? What do you mean? What I thought was an incredibly obvious joke

about period underwear and tampaks. Such a joke. Some women really came at me hard. I think they also might, I don't know if they really think that or if they're like playing along. They're playing your role maybe. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We really did uncover though something with the X. Yeah, I know. Because Maxi Pad, Tampax. Maxi Pad would have been the first. Probably. Yeah. And then NYX and then.

THINX. What is it? THINX, that's another brand of- THYNX, SPANX. And they go on your, they cover your- That's different, but- Okay. Yeah, women, X because X chromosome.

Someone said that. Someone suggested that in the comments. And I think that's brilliant. And I don't think that's what it is, but that's brilliant. How could you possibly know? I'm just trying to imagine the Tampax people going like, okay, let's call it, it's a tampon,

but let's build on that and let's add X because of the chromosome. I just, I- What's your, what's your, you know, idea? That they wanted to imbue a sense of max, like max comfort, max absorption, max freshness, max, what was the word? They had the word attached to Tampax in the ad we showed.

Oh, radiant. Max radiance. But it's not, it's Tampax. Yeah. Not Tam-max. Tampaximum. I think it's X chromosome. That's good, it's good.

We'd have to track down whoever named. MaxiPad, that's the original. I bet you can do that and come back to us. Do you think they're alive? Ooh, probably their kids are kids of kids. Okay, well why are you reading a fact I'm gonna ask AI if the inventor of MaxiPads is still alive. Okay gonna ask AI if the inventor of maxi pads is still alive Okay, great is the inventor of maxi pads still alive if people listen to the CTE episode

with Chris nowinski and then also it came up in another episode the pee baby. Uh-huh we had AI make a video of Us originally talking about the P-Baby, the original story of P-Baby. Oh, really? Yeah, and I'm gonna post it tomorrow. But so by the time you listen to this, it will be posted.

And I really, really recommend people going to watch this. It'll be on our Instagram because for one, the story is just, you need a good reminder of the P-Baby, but the AI is hilarious. Oh, I can't wait to see it. And it's like a version of you and me, like the AI made versions of us. It's so funny.

Well, I can't wait to see. Were you holding this as a surprise for me? No, I was just doing stuff. I'm doing stuff. You got things to do. Anyway, so check that out. Check out the P-Baby and the AI. Was that a surprise for me? No, I was just doing stuff. I'm doing stuff. Anyway, so check that out. Check out the P-Baby and the AI. It just reminded me AI. Okay, great.

Did it respond? Well, it had to have. Mary Beatrice Davidson Kenner, an African American inventor, is renowned for her development of the adjustable sanitary belt, a precursor to the modern maxi pad. Okay, so they really went back, that was 1912. Oh, wow.

She passed away in 06, so that's off the table. Kenner's invention patented, and it featured a moisture-proof pocket design to hold menstrual pads securely in place, the innovation. Okay, wearing a Kenner face, racial discrimination, that's a bummer. And of course, was awarded five patents. In summary, Mary B. DisDavis and Kenner passed away.

And I was like, okay, so I don't know if we're giving her credit for a maxi-pat or she did the belt. Okay. Okay. All right, so we didn't learn anything. Nothing, absolutely nothing. Great. Now, what are the most watched shows on Netflix?

This is on Wikipedia. And notoriously, Netflix doesn't really release this information, so. Or they do it weird. They'll do like a minute, like, so I just saw this. And congrats to Dumal and Minka Kelly, friends of the pod. Oh, Ransom Canyon. Ransom Canyon has 2.6 billion minutes viewed.

And to put it in perspective, Mobland, which I love and is seemingly a hit, everyone I know is watching it, had like 580 million, so a four and a half X of second place. Ooh-ee. But they do minutes, right? So that's an interesting way to quantify it.

Interesting. As opposed to like households who watched it. Is it minutes or hours? Minutes. Interesting. Okay, minutes or hours? Minutes. Interesting. Yeah. Okay, well this is just Wikipedia. Oh, and it's most popular television series by hours watching their first 28 days.

Number one is Squid Game Season One. Yeah. Stranger Things. Oh, yeah. Is number two. Three is Wednesday. Okay. Four is Squid Game Season Two. Is number two. Three is Wednesday. Okay. Four is Squid Game season two.

Mm-hmm. Five is Dahmer Monster, the Jeffrey Dahmer story. Wow. I wouldn't have picked that up just from walking around and people telling me to watch stuff. Yeah. That one's a surprise for me.

Six is Money Heist. That was a big, big show. European. Yes, I think maybe it was in Spanish, I think. Yeah, Ana turned us on to it. She loved it. Yeah. Oh wait, no, sorry. So Six is Money Heist, part five. Okay. Interesting.

Seven, eight and nine are Bridgerton, season one, two and three. Seven, eight, and nine are Bridgerton, season one, two, and three. Uh-huh. And then 10, Money Heist part four. Okay. 11, Stranger Things. I need to give Money Heist another shot.

It was subtitled? Yeah, I think so. I know I would watch that. I'm still in ER. Oh, I know when I started, which is so fucking good. The pit? Deli Boys. Oh, I wanna watch Deli Boys.

You gotta try it. Yeah, I want to. It's such a unique tone that they were pulling off beautifully. Nice. It's fantastic. Cool, I love that. You know, I like discovering these hiccups in my thinking. Uh-huh.

And so there's a joke in Deli Boys. Mm-hmm. They have to deal with this Italian mob boss quite often. Mm-hmm. And they're Pakistani. And the patriarch of, not even the patriarch, one of the partners in the criminal organization, an older guy, he hates Indians, right? He's constantly talking about how he hates Indians.

And so he's sitting across from this Italian mobster, and he says, I'm Pakistani, but I'm telling the truth. Indians are terrible. And the Italian goes, oh, I thought you were Indian. And he goes, no, I'm not. They are our mortal enemy. And then the Italian mobster goes, so you guys look identical to each other

and you hate one another? And he goes, oh, Cookie just got canceled. He's like, then they all laugh the notion of a mobster could get canceled. Oh, oh, that's funny. But then I was like, I think people do go, how do these two people hate each other so much? They're clearly related.

And then I was like, yeah, I would never think that about the Irish and the English. Exactly. The French and the English. Yeah. And then I wondered if people in India are looking at those people going like, wait, you guys are the same people, why are you fighting?

I wonder if it's like, whatever in group you're in, it seems crazy on the outside. It's always about land and- Religion often. Religion, but yeah, who owns what. And it's, I mean, that's very timely because India and Pakistan were. Well, this was obviously made before

they've now launched missiles at each other. Exactly, but they're in a ceasefire. Yeah. But anyway, okay, Seth MacFarlane and Nick, that conversation, that's on the SAG-AFTRA Foundation YouTube. Yeah. So you can watch that there if you're interested in animation.

Pretty unique conversation. Okay, the seasons of Seth MacFarlane shows, how many? Family Guy, 23 seasons, American Dad, 19 seasons, Cleveland Show, four seasons. 46. Wow. 46 seasons of television.

That's really it. That's all the facts. Yeah. Well, Nick Kroll, we love you. Well, there was one where it's not really a fact. We pray for your speedy recovery. He's gonna be sick for another 10 years or so. Yeah, like six, six more years he's got of being sick.

We're not sick anymore. Well, you kind of are. You're still kinda sick. Probably more sick than I was pre-kids in general. But like, they just stop putting their fingers in each other's mouths and butts. And like, they just, they get a little more separated as they get older.

Speaking of kids, I wasn't sure if I was gonna bring this up, but why not? Yeah, why not? I said I was racist. Well, no, this isn't negative towards kids. Right, I'm just saying I revealed a lot that I had some vestigial racial thinking that I caught myself. Sure, yeah.

Mother's Day, we just had Mother's Day, right? Yeah. It's getting increasingly harder for me. Okay. And I think from, for like so many reasons, I feel overwhelming. Yeah. And I'm just tracking that.

Mm-hmm. That it's starting to feel really tough. I'm glad I go home. I go home, I've gone home the last couple of years, and it's nice to be with my mom. And I know it makes them very happy, so I like doing that. But there is something about

being there that's hard. When I'm there, especially for moments, events, yearly events, the passage, like time, starts to feel very oppressive. The passage of time. You know, we go to the same places, and I'm going to this mall that I went to when I was in high school and to see it be so much the same and also so different,

it's just, it feels sad. It feels melancholic. Right. And then seeing my parents age is so hard. The lack of permanence to everything. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And I can kind of, Buddhism, I know. And when I'm not there, I can detach from it

when I'm here. And you can keep it time locked in your mind and memory. Yes, and I think I can just compartmentalize in a way. Like they're there and that's happening, but I'm not seeing day to day, like the little things that are changing. So it's kind of hard to be there, even though I'm glad I make that decision.

That's a little hard. And then I also know being here would be hard because all of my friends have kids. And that is painful in its own way. And like, it just feels sort of like this day is hard. Is it painful cause you feel like you're missing out on the mothering experience or is it painful cause you feel excluded from your friends in a way?

Which pain is it? I think it's both. I think it's, it's so tricky because it's not like on a day to day I think of the pain of not having children. But on that day, I am away, I'm just very aware that I don't and that it's not, it wasn't really a choice. It's just the way my life went, right? Unfolded.

Yeah, it unfolded in this way. I made decisions that took me in certain places. I'm not married to my high school sweetheart. I didn't have one. And yeah, I'm just aware, like, oh, my life hasn't gone, didn't go that way. And yes, I can still make decisions that might lead to that, but it's different.

It's like really different now. Me having a kid now is a real choice. It is not like, oh, I fell in love with this person and then maybe we'll have kids. That's the next step. It's, I have to make- Oops, I'm crying now. What do we do?

Fuck it, let's do it. Exactly. It's real, real hard decision-making. Yeah. It kinda, I don't, yeah. And that's an annoying thing to have to think about. Yeah. So yeah, I guess I'm just sharing it was a hard take.

Closer or further? I don't know. Right. Like it makes me feel like, oh, I wish I had that. But does it make me feel like I'm gonna take those steps to do it? If I were you, I would just wanna be crystal clear

if it is a desire to have the experience versus the A student in you. I know. That's hard to know which is driving it, but I think one is worth chasing and one is worth overcoming. Yeah, I know. I don't know.

Again, that's a question that I have to ask, that I'm kind of resentful that I have to ask, that I'm kind of resentful that I have to ask, resentful towards my, towards life, I guess, because I know that if I was married and in a partnership, I would have kids. Right. I would want that. Yeah.

So. What does a guy in your situation do? Like what is this 37 year old guy who can't go get a donor? Well, they could. I mean, yeah, they could. And then they got to get a surrogate. And it's definitely more complicated. You're like, you're a stop at a sperm bank

away from having a kid. Well, maybe. Well, maybe because of fertility. But you know, like a dude who's not loaded and can't pay for a surrogate and an egg and all that stuff. I wonder how they wrestle with it, you know? Yeah. I mean, I assume it's the same feeling and the same thing.

Like, I guess I have to figure out if I'm gonna like just be with a person I don't wanna be with or take those steps. In some ways, I mean, it's all hard, but I think for a man, if they have the means, I mean, a lot of women don't have the means to do any of this either.

How much does a sperm donor, that's not terribly expensive. Your egg, like, you know, do retrievals and it's expensive. Well, that, but let's just terribly expensive. Your egg, like, you know, do retrievals and it's expensive. But let's just say you... You have to remove the eggs in order to make the embryo to implant. Oh, they can't put a baster in you and do it?

Oh, they can try it. While you're ovulating? Yeah, some people, that works for some people. It's pretty hard for it to take, but it works for some people. But then if that doesn't work, you spent money doing that and then you have to, you know, it's a lot. But for a man, they can make the embryo,

they'll take the egg, the sperm, they'll make the embryo and then they'll implant it into a surrogate. Yeah, I imagine that's a pricey endeavor. I'm sure. Fertility is so expensive. Another thing that's like, that's a cost that it wouldn't be a cost. I mean, having kids is an insane cost in general, but.

To your mental health. Yeah, diapers, diapers ding ding ding. That came up in Nick Kroll's fan. Diapers. Your diapers, and they went bankrupt. Yeah, my diapers went bankrupt. Bad for business. Anyway, I just thought I would share it

because I'm sure it's complicated for a lot of people. Surely, Mother's Day for a lot of people. Surely, Mother's Day? For so many reasons. Carrie sent me this incredible post that a girl at our high school had put on Facebook. And she was a grade younger than us, I believe. I didn't, like, of course,

I didn't recognize her right away, but it was this really heartfelt, beautiful post about the complicated nature of Mother's Day and how she basically had to say goodbye to her mom at 16 because the mom moved to Arizona and the mom was not healthy mom. And so this girl was living, going to my school, living on her own, paying for an apartment.

She sent it to me because she goes, side note, that's fun. I was once in detention and Dax Shepard said to me, what'd they put you in for? Oh, that's funny. And then went on to say, don't worry about all this. Your life's really gonna start in two minutes. And I know mine's not ending here in this detention.

Oh wow. So she went, whether I said that or not, who knows, maybe in her mind I said that. But I'm delighted that on that detention she had a fun. Yeah, an interaction. Yeah, but it was just a really sweet post and a reminder of like, man,

some kids like the experience can be so radical. Carrie sent it to me going, I'm such a fucking asshole for bitching about my two loving parents, you know, whatever. Yeah. But life is hard. But yeah, there's kids in your high school that are like, they're supporting themselves

and living in an apartment. Yeah. And they don't have any parents. Yeah. Yeah. It's bad. Okay. Anyway, well, that's it.

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