Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Scott Eastwood

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

Scott Eastwood (Lucky Strike, Fury, Fast X) is an actor, producer, and entrepreneur. Scott joins Armchair Expert to discuss growing up between Carmel-by-the-Sea and Hawaii, getting expelled after raiding a pot farm, and bar-backing his way through college. Scott and Dax talk about swearing off war movies before Lucky Strike pulled him back in, nearly coming to blows with Shia LaBeouf on Fury, and defying his agents to star in Taylor Swift’s “Wildest Dreams” video. Scott explains why fame is more burden than prize, how film sets can force grief into a holding pattern, and why you should say what you feel before time runs out.Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/Take printer ink off your back to school list with HP Smart Tank | hp.com/SmartTank See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome, welcome, welcome. Now, I'm chair expert. I'm Dax Shepherd and I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. Hi. We have a handsome actor alert. Big time handsome. I love handsome actors. Scott Eastwood. Oh, is he handsome? Scott Eastwood is an actor. Oh, and he hates being, I'm trying. I forgot the lesson I learned in the interview. He doesn't like being called handsome. It's what no one does too. And I already knew that. Being called handsome? Just what do you do with that? Anyways, I know what I would do with it. His credits include the long ride regretting you, wrath of man, Grand Turino, Fury, and his new movie out now, Lucky Strike. Please enjoy Scott Eastwood.

We are supported by Airbnb. You know, Moni, I was just reminiscing recently about this trip. I took to Musco a while back. Canada in the summer, it's just unbelievable. The lakes, the trees, all these gorgeous wooden boats everyone collects around there. NHL players on the lake. What a place. It's just one of those places where you.

immediately feel your nervous system calmed down. I do feel like every time you talk about that trip, you feel very at peace. I really was. I think part of what makes a trip like that memorable is when you actually get to settle into a place. You start finding your rhythm, your coffee shop, your morning walk. There's several little restaurants on the lakes. They're all connected. There's a big chain of lakes.

And the restaurants are so good. And you park your boat out there and you get to sit on the water. It's just heaven. That's my favorite kind of trip. When it starts to feel less like visiting and more like you live there for a little bit. And honestly, it's even better when you can share it with family or friends. It's those little routines and moments that end up becoming the stuff you remember later. That's why I love finding places on Airbnb that helped me feel like a local somewhere new.

He's an object to be. Hi. We haven't met before. I mean? No, no, no. Hi, Monica. I pleasure. I remember meeting a man as handsome as you. It would see her in. How are you guys doing? We're good. Just fresh from the dentist.

Oh. My teeth were jagged at the bottom. I didn't really even think about it, but my man pointed it out. He's like, you know, I could make that smooth. And I was like, yeah, I felt like I got upsold a little bit. Do you grind? Is that why? I mean, truthfully, I think when I've been in fights, I bite my fucking front of my teeth.

There's a few vents in my life where I'll bite the front of my teeth. And I think I just chipped off the ends. You know, they say if you're grinding, and you're not sleeping during the full moons, you probably have some sort of parasite. Like worms. Worms. Walk me through that way.

If you're not sleeping during a full moon... During the full moon. And you grind your teeth. Yep. Why are the parasites responding to the full moon? You know, I don't know. But I do know that that's a thing, and they've been talking about it since the dawn of time.

Really? Native Americans have had that. They've known about that. Every sort of ancient culture has been talking about parasitic stuff during the full moon. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think we chalk up a lot now to like, oh, that's woo-woo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a thing. It sounds adjacent to astrology for sure. It's definitely, but then you talk to, like, doctors who, you know, are pretty intelligent. They're like, oh, yeah, if you're grinding and you have trouble sleeping during a full moon, like, check your gut. Have you had a parasite? I have.

There we go. There we go. It feels personal. Yeah, it is. It is. And probably still ongoing. I've had H. Pylori multiple times.

It's called H. Pylori. H. Pylori. And tell me about H. Pylori. H. Pylori is a bacteria in your gut. Okay. A lot of people have it. They say one and four people have it.

Okay. Then I've also had like some sort of version of worms. Okay. Yeah. From traveling? Traveling. Do you know where you got the worms? I don't know where I got it.

No. How did you figure that out? I've struggled with gut issues through the years. I mean, because of all the traveling when I was, you know, much younger, I was traveling all the time for surfing. Okay. So I would go to like Indonesia. As a hobby or you were like competing? No, as a hobby.

From what age? I started surfing when I was like 10, 11. Oh, you were in Hawaii at that point, right? You were in two areas that you could have really... You're going to pick up some bacteria in those waters. We just interviewed someone. Yes. Oh.

Who was in Bali on a trip. They got some kind of not an official tour guide. And this gentleman was like, let me take you ladies to this incredible, you know about the such and such. And it's all these natural water slides that have eroded out of the volcano. It was very cool sounding. And then pools of water. And it's great. So they do this.

They have a great time. She had also had an incredible sunburn. So she missed the rash phase. Most people would have recognized they got a crazy rash right afterwards. But she didn't because of all this sunburn. And then what was it like five? Like six years later. Six years later.

Staff? It had been no. It was something kind of wormy. Paraside that had just been in there for six years. And it had gotten like really. really debilitating. She couldn't move as then they figured out. Totally fatigued. Yeah, yeah, no energy. And then they're like, oh, yeah, you've had this thing for six years. Oh, wow. What actually got you to go to a doctor and go like, something's fucked up, my friend,

irregular. I mean. Okay, sure, sure, some issues, some bowel. Yeah. Evacuations, schedule issues. And then you think you're okay. And then all of a sudden, you're like, maybe I'm not okay. Yeah. Yeah. So what does one do if they have that? You got to get on a antibiotic. protocol. Oh, you do you guys? Yeah, I think you'd take like three antibiotics all at the same time for like a couple weeks. That's a lot. I'm hopeful because I was on a pick line for like four months. You know, antibiotics where you got to shoot it in your body like three times a day or twice a day. What from? Oh, man, motorcycle accident that then I got a bunch of metal put in and then that metal was infected. Then I got a bicycle accident, which broke all the metal. And then they went in there to fix that. They discovered this

huge infection. So I had to, yeah, do that for months. shooting it in. And I like to think that, although it also killed that, it would have killed something like that as well. Because I was just carpet bombing my body for months. I mean, a lot of people still try to take turpentine for things like that. They'll drink it. It's medicine from the 1800s. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it might work, but it also might kill you. Also strips pain. I mean, I think that's the primary use of turpentine. Yeah. Okay, so I want to start with an assumption and a disclaimer, which is if I were you, I would fucking hate talking about my dad. Or I'd just be so sick of it.

Yeah, like, I know I'm going to get asked. It doesn't upset me at all. It doesn't. No, I mean, you know, I think more than anything, if I get upset about something, it's the lack of thoughtfulness and a question in an interview. You've experienced that. Where you're like, have you done any research? Are you a thoughtful interviewer?

Or intention, you get the sense. Oh, they're just trying to trap me into a really bad sound bite I'm going to work at. Exactly. Yeah. I don't want to trap anyone. and I don't want any clickbait. Yeah. You're 40 now, right?

Yeah. But there's been waves of it where also it's like, shut the fuck up about my dad and other periods where you're like, oh, yeah, I'm older now and I don't really. Yeah. You kind of reach a tipping point where you're like, why do I care about that? Or I'm comfortable just being me now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whatever. Okay, so let's start, though. Your mom's Jacqueline? Yeah. You're born in Carmel by the sea? I was. Oh, beautiful place. Yes, I have gorgeous.

Can you have awareness when you're young and you're born? somewhere that it's significantly prettier than everywhere else. I mean, it's just what it is there, right? I think, yeah, that comes with some age and perspective, leaving like anything. I thought it was quite small and I wanted more. It is tiny, right? It is. It's connected to the larger Bay Area, right?

You could be in Santa Cruz in 30 minutes and then from Santa Cruz into San Francisco or San Jose. But when you're there, you're there. I mean, it's like kind of a couple roads. on an island a little bit, or a peninsula, I guess. What were the kids and the parents? Like, what do people do there? It feels very like you're there to retire. I don't know what the industry is there.

Like, was it mostly like wealthy families and that kind of thing? It's not just wealth. I mean, there's middle and lower class for sure. Seaside and Marina and Salinas has got a lot of lower socioeconomic demographic. So it all sort of blends than the closer to the coast you get, the more upper class. But, you know, people do the same thing. I mean, they look to find ways to get into trouble and sneak out and go drink and in high school and do things you're not supposed to do. Yeah, yeah.

Were you there zero to ten, then 14 to 18? Is that what it was? Yeah, I was there, I think, zero to eight. Then my mom and I lived in Hawaii and my sister. She into dogs? That's not the one that's into dogs. Okay, because Kristen's like, I think I know his sister through dogs. Yeah, that's Allison.

She has a big dog rescue in Malibu. Oh, okay. And then, yeah, back to Hawaii. for eight or so years, and then back to Carmel for sort of the second half of high school. Okay, so Jacqueline was a flight attendant? She was. With what airline? She's going to kill me because I'll miss say this, but it's Hughes Air West, which then became

maybe TWA and then Northwest. I think they need each other. And did your parents meet on a flight? No. No. That would be a good story. Because you've had the fantasy I have. You're chatting with the attendant and they're attractive and you're like, oh, could this be a

Romance? Yeah. Could we have like a night in Paris when we land? Yeah. I think you're thinking more of like 50s flight a time. Yeah. Yeah. Right now it's like not so much the fantasy.

It's like, get out of the way, move. Get off the plane. Put your shit in front of your feet. Don't put it in the overhead. Exactly. How long was she doing it? She did for 14 or 15 years. Okay.

So a full career. Yeah, she had a career. So how'd they meet? They were both living in Monterey. and I just, I think, mutual friends. Where's she from originally? She's from Washington's Day. What kind of gale is she?

Simple. Now she walks and collects shells on the beach daily, still single. She raised two kids. After her career, you know, she was a mother and she did some interior design sort of on the side. What took you guys to Hawaii? She taught tennis there when she was in her early 20s, and she always loved it. And then my dad in her split, and she said, I'm going back to Hawaii. So they had an amicable.

Yeah, they're great friends. Oh, lovely. And what island were you on? Kauai for a few years. Then the big island. She moved to the big island because the school system on Kauai isn't very good. The school systems in general in Hawaii aren't some of the best. And there was a good school that she moved to for us in middle school and high school.

And were you going to a public school there? I was. And then a private school and then a public school. How did it work out being a holly? Because I've had some real dicey experiences down in Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, it's still a thing.

I'll give you an example. I was sitting in Paia in Maui, and I'm talking to this skinny white dude that works at this Paia organic pizza place. It's great. And he, like, grew up there. I'm like, how'd you do as a skinny white dude on this island? And he's like, oh, man, you need a niche. I happen to be really tiny.

So I would go pig hunting with the dudes because I was tiniest I could get in to stab the boar once they had it down. Yep. He's like, so I had a roll. but you really need a roll. You need to roll. He's not wrong. Was it intimidating when you got there?

Yeah, I know. I mean, nobody liked me. Luckily, my mom, I think she really pushed I had to be in sports. So she put me in football. So early age, I was doing Pop Warner. Perfect. You've got built-in friends.

Exactly. Well, yeah, at the beginning, built in, you're one of two white kids on the team. Why are you here? Beat it, Howley. Uh-huh. But then I think as time progressed and they saw, oh, cool, he's willing to put the work in and take some hits, you become part of the pack.

So that's good. And did you find your way into the pack? Yeah. Then you go and play another school. They might be like, beat it, Howley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's always touch and go in Hawaii. Did you get your ass kicked?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, from an early age, getting in lots of fist fights. You had to learn how to defend yourself, learn how to kind of navigate the waters and be like, okay, either I'm going to get in a fight right now or I'm going to figure out how to diffuse this. Yeah. Most of the time it was getting in a fight. But then I think you start to earn your stripes and then it is like anywhere. It seems scary.

It still is. The surfing culture in Hawaii is still very protected. Yeah, yeah. It's like a resource, right? Waves are a resource and there is a respect and pecking order that you have to respect. And that's part of the whole thing. And white howly guys are at the bottom of the totem pole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Unless you're, who did we interview? The big surfer. Oh, Kelly's. Kelly Slater. Kelly Slater. Kelly. I think even Kelly. He's not, you know, in Hawaii.

They don't care about the champion. They actually probably want to kick his ass if he steps out of life. Oh, that makes sense. I've heard epic stories of dudes getting like literally punched on their surfboard, like on a wave. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a thing. And what about girls?

Did you have girlfriends? Could you have romances? Yeah, that's also, again, on an island could be a resource. Yeah. You know, take interest to the wrong girl. Yeah. That's not us. You're a lot of the flies.

It makes me think of, have you ever seen an officer and a gentleman? Of course. I mean, they kind of tell the backstory of why Richard Gere is such a badass, I think. And it's like he was a little boy in Thailand or Vietnam during the thing. And he's just getting his ass kicked by all the local kids. And then, you know, he's had to raise up. It sounds a little bit like that. It's a little bit like that.

So what grade did you leave there? I left when I got in. trouble. I got in some trouble. What kind of trouble do you get in? I'd like to think it was my first entrepreneurial experience selling pot. Oh, great. Where were you getting it? We raided a pot farm. Great. You stole a ton of it. Yeah, yeah. Perfect. I mean, we weren't going to buy it. No, no. Who had the capital. Yeah. Yeah. So we did a little boo-boo. How many of you? There was, I think, five or six of us that hatched this plan in the night, under moonlight, going to steal the pot, stole the pot, took it down to the beach, dried it out.

And then we divvied it up, and then we were going to make some know. And were you going to move it on the beach or in school? No, at school. At school, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, nobody sees it move things. And then I don't remember somewhere along the line, someone got pinched, and then someone ratted, yeah, they rolled on everybody. Rats, right?

That's why eighth graders don't make great criminals because they roll pretty easy. No, they roll pretty easy. And were police involved? No, they didn't really have any actual evidence, but they still kicked us out. out of school. I think there was enough people. I denied that. I don't know. Still, you didn't do it. Yeah. So were you sent now to live with dad or did mom go with you? I went to go live with my dad. It sounds like you were, were you living a pretty modest life in Hawaii? Yeah, I mean, comfortable, but we didn't live lavish.

I guess I'm wondering if I knew my dad was your dad and I was like, where's the golf carts? Like, why don't I have a lot? Why don't I have a lot? Yeah, why aren't living out the toy? Well, my dad's not like that, even if when I was living with him or at all. He's not a material guy. He comes from a very different generation. I mean, you got to remember, he was born in 1930. Yeah. So he saw the real lows of the Great Depression, and that stuck with him forever. He still, to the day, would be telling you to turn off a light if you left the house. Why the hell didn't you turn off the light? Yeah, dad's love to tell you to turn off the lights. They do. I do, too. I'll go waste a ton of money in one domain, and then I'll be like, that fucking lights on.

It's so crazy. I mean, it's like primitive. There's something going on. It is like to put the fire out. Is there something weird as going on? They care more than I should about it. It's just weird frugality in just this one area. That's pretty insignificant in your total nut.

It's not like you're going to move the needle if you really tighten up your electricity bill. Especially now with LEDs, right? I mean, yeah. Let them rep. Sometimes I'll just leave them on just to spite. Me too. I literally will. I'll just be like going to turn the light off.

I'm like, you know, You know what? I can leave it on. I get to make this decision now for me, myself. How was it when you drop back into Carmel going into high school? You know, you jump into a new high school. That's always a little wonky. Are you going to be the one who's going to get picked on? And that actually did happen. I think one of the first months or two of high school, a guy, a bully, singled me out because I was the new kid. I don't want to fight because I was like, I'm a new kid to school. Why are you picking on me?

one day after school, I said, enough's enough, let's go. And so then we went down to the place where everyone fights. It was like a big field. Okay, great. I remember it actually vividly because he's now one of my best friends,

but he had an old camcorder. And he was going to film the fight. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. It could be nothing more awkward than you're going to fight a kid. For us, it was in Milford Cinema. That's where we all went.

And he's like, yeah, just give me five. I got to set up my tripod. I mean, it's just such an awkward. Let me just block this really quick. Do you think you were going to fight over there or I'm just trying to figure out why my friend. Exactly. So he set up his camcorder.

No, another friend. He had it in his hands. Yeah, I remember all the kids were parking and running down. Not the bully, right? Just another friend. No, just another friend. Now he's my best friend. You thought a bully was also filming and punching.

Well, no, no, I thought he was like making his tape. So I thought he would set it up on a tripod, then kick ass and then watch it at home and love it. You can see that as an incentive. This is just another friend. So does the tape exist? It probably does, but we have no idea where it is. Yeah.

How did that fight go? It went pretty good for me. Oh, good, good, good. Oh, I would have had to get that tape. I didn't want to fight because I had been in a lot of fights pre-you that. And I was like, I don't need to do that. Start this school out like that. We already did that.

We already did that. Like, why can't I just, okay. To my mom's crud, she had put me in martial arts very early, did a lot of taekwondo and boxing. I had a really good foundation for, fighting, especially after making all these fights with kids in Hawaii. So it was good because actually, now that I think about it, I did get in a lot of fights with different schools. That was the only fight I was in, I think, in that school.

But then Carmel High would fight Monterey High. Oh, great. And it was like this rivalry because we had a football rivalry. So there would be like group fights. Wonderful. It rumbles. Yeah, it rumbles. Oh, what a time to be alive?

I know. What are we doing? But it is chimps. We're all like, this chimp's big. Should I try it? Yeah. I don't know why. we have that.

It doesn't end too, right? It's like a fight for resources, right? Yes. Interesting. Who's cool? Who's going to get the girl? All the dudes got to hear is like one girl going like, oh yeah, his dad's butt. And then he's off to the races.

Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. I guess when I think my conclusion is it's not as fun as I thought it might be. It's just of anything, you know, just because your dad has done something great doesn't mean you've done anything great. Yeah. I mean, you know, either you're a good dude and you're cool or you're not. And that takes you a lot farther than whether your dad was cool or not in life.

Did you get to be on sets a lot as a kid? I did. Summers, we would go. And I remember getting to go and see him in Houston working on the space movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cowboys? Space Cowboys? Space Cowboys. Exactly.

We got it. Wait, it was him and Tommy Lee Jones? Tom Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland, and James Garland. who was great. I got to meet him and get to know these legends. Your dad presents, of course, is very alpha, but is that his vibe in real life? I mean, I'll cut to the chase. I'm curious how he dealt with Tommy Lee Jones, who I hear is really, really hard. I'm just wondering if he had the alphaness to keep him. I think everybody has got a lot of respect for him, so I don't think people try to... They don't act up around him. Yeah. You know, he's very calm and even keel, and it doesn't

raise his voice ever. I mean, he would with me. As he should. That's what dad's do. I heard a legendary story. I'm sort of going to paraphrase it, and I'll probably tell it a little wrong. But Kevin Costner, sort of going through maybe the Kevin Costner rise to fame and maybe got a big ego. Sure. Blah, blah, blah.

But they were doing Perfect World. And they're both starring in this movie. My dad is directing it. Apparently, Kevin wouldn't come out of his trailer for some reason. And my dad doesn't do trailers and things. He's like, just be on set. stay honest. He always told me, too, as a kid, you want to learn how to make movies. You want to learn how to do this. You stay here with everybody else and you make the damn movie.

Yeah, yeah. Apparently, he didn't want to come out of his trailer as in reason. He might have been entertaining. He might have. He also could have been going to bathroom. He could have been irregular. He could have had a parasite. He could have had a parasite. We don't know. That's true. But I think his reputation is he's hard on directors. This holds. So he just said, we'll send him home then. Oh, wow. So what do you mean? Well, he's. in the scene, send him home. So he sent him home and I guess they just went to Kevin and said, hey, you're going to go home for the day. You don't need him? And he said, what do you mean?

I'm in the scene? Well, I guess you're not anymore. Oh, boy. The train left the station. Clinton changed that. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, that's the pecking order. And so I think the next day he was on set, ready to go. Your dad also infamously does like half a take, right? This is the, I've had friends who have done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like they're doing like kind of a rehearsal and they're going to do a pyro rehearsal and they shoot that and he's like, okay, next thing. We got it. So yeah, if you're not out on set, like he's moving quick.

He's moving quick and you better come ready to work. You better know your shit. Yeah. And actually, I think you know, I mean, you both are performers and done this a ton. Sometimes if that's done right and the space is held correctly, it's all respected and everyone's quiet and you're rehearsing, sometimes the best stuff just comes. Absolutely. If you're able to do that, he would always.

tell me this trick, you would just go to the cinematographer, just run. And you wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable. They're not thinking about anything. There's no nerves. Yeah, that's the move. Yeah, it is. Did you have interest in acting as a kid?

You know what? Movie, I would say, really made an impression on me was endless summer. And I don't know if you've ever seen it. 40 years ago. Okay. So it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all the time. It's more than just a surf film, though. it's a movie about traveling the world and about travelers that happen to be surfers,

but experiencing all this culture. And the premise range, they just chase the summer. They chase the summer. So cool. Yeah, it's bigger than surfing that concept. It is. They just happen to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport. It's in nature.

But they go to all these continents and they travel the world. And you get all this spice of culture and this life. And I always thought, that's my dream, to chase summer around the world. world. I don't know if it happened to be like be a surfer, but it was experience. Yeah, it was experience. Yeah, how do I stay in summer all the time? Oh, I love that. Or whatever summer represents at all time. Yeah. So you go to Loyola. I ended up in Loyola. I bounced around. I did Santa Barbara City College. Me too. Oh, no ways. Yes. Yeah, one year in Santa Barbara City College. Beautiful campus for a city college. Amazing. Yeah, you're on that little bluff looking out of the ocean.

I remember I got a microwave burrito on my first day there and I was sitting on the grass and I'm from Detroit and I'm like, Get out of here. This is a fucking school. This is a college. Yeah. This is a community college. I know. Okay, so you started there.

Did you live downtown or in IV? No, I lived on the Mesa. I mean, a little apartment there. I remember it was 12 bucks a unit or something, you know. Oh, yeah, for school. For school. And you could enroll for, I don't know. 60 bucks.

Yeah. I worked as a bar back at the brew house. I don't know if you ever went down to the brew house. On State Street? No, not on State Street. That's Santa Barbara Brewing Company. I think it's still there, actually. It's down by where the Spirmaned Rhino and all that area is.

I had a couple friends that work there, yeah. A little bit of a seedier area. Yeah, I love it. There's train tracks right there. I lived on Bath right behind that. Oh, yeah. I bar back there. I had a bike.

Motorcycle? No, no, no. Bicycle. Yeah, didn't everyone have bikes there? That's like a thing. It's like bike culture. Yeah, and also my dad wouldn't buy me a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I made that pitch and that didn't go over well. This is a fucking hysterical. What is? If your fucking dad is cleaning as winning, he doesn't buy you a car. No, I like that. I know you like it, but I'd be furious. Well, I think at the time I was. Yeah.

At the time I was. Like, come on, dude. You won't even notice this. Yeah. You can't even find this withdrawal from your account. But that's not the rationale. It's not like, I can't afford it. And then you'd be like, well, that's bullshit.

But he'd just be like, no, you don't deserve a car. Well, that was my switch. I bought a car. couldn't afford it. But I wasn't resentful because my mom wasn't loaded. But if my mom was loaded, I think I would have been pissed. But you're not just like automatically entitled to a car. Exactly.

At six, or whatever. Probably for the best. Probably for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money and what that is and like learning respect for that and like your job. But also probably giving a kid a car at 18, 19, what do you do? You're drinking and driving. Are you doing something stupid? He might have been worried that you are going to get in trouble with him.

anything like that. Yeah, and I think probably the value of time and money. I think that's like the principal lesson that he wanted me to know. This doesn't grow in trees and you better go on earn it. How many nights a week as a bar back were you making love to strangers? Several of the nights a week. Yeah, I think four nights a week. Sure.

You're burning. On average. Yeah. Rest days. You're like kind of all my fantasies I have. Like, I'm just imagining me as a good looking as you in Santa Barbara as a barback. You are projecting a lot of fantasy on him. I'm not trying to own it.

But yeah. I'm like, oh my God, you needed a two-seater bike. You needed a tandem bike. What if you took the girl out from the bar and she's like, why do you drive a tandem bike? Yeah. Because I generally have passengers, girl. You riding?

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A year? I was there for about a year or so. I had this one moment, actually. It kind of woke me up from being just a kid and call. and being a barback. I went to a restaurant, actually, in Santa Barbara. And this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii growing up and he'd gone out many years prior.

He was like six years older. And he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara, and he was there barbacking. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, but you didn't you go to college here? And like, why are you still working as his barback? And I was thinking, oh man, I better get my shit together. Yeah, that's going to be a good.

That's going to be me if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college. So I packed up after a year and a half or something at Santa Barbara and I moved to L.A. And I was like, I got to get this going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel. Meaning acting in college? Yeah, just act. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was going to be the thing I was going to do. But at that moment, I was like, I want to give it a shot and see if I can become an actor and make it and support myself. Not that anything is wrong with being bar back.

Just I wanted more. Yes. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a bar back. I almost even think you might get to our station in life and go, oh, right, no. It's never better than me. It was simpler. I was out there. I didn't have all these status concerns.

Yep. And that was pretty groovy. Like when your parents tell you, these are the best years of your life. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You don't listen. You can't listen. Yeah.

How was Laola? Yeah, it was cool. I went to Santa Monica after that, San Monica City College. Me too. Your guys, that's wild. Yeah. I couldn't get into a four-year-so. That's why I went to Santa Monica.

Not as pretty of a campus. Not as pretty. Not as good as Santa Barbara. That's cool. And then I actually applied a couple times. I might have been rejected twice. I can't remember. I know it was rejected once to get into that school.

And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever was, and then apply again, try to get it. get in and I finally got in. I just really finished there. It was funny. By the time I had gone to Loyola, Mary Mallet, I had worked all over the world because I had been in city college. I don't know, four years, a couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I had gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I had been all during Loyola. I would get a job and ask my job. That was Valley Parking Cars at the time. Chase Crawford. He also Valley. He was a Valley. I was so jealous.

Jeffrey. Job I always wanted. Well, it was great because it was like outdoor, you know, and you're like moving and you're to sprinting. Yeah. He crashed a car. Did you crash any cars? I didn't crash any cars. Maybe Nick. But, sorry. Nothing you had to report.

And so I would ask my job if I could leave if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could bob and weave and figure out how you could get my work done. But also go do this movie, which was like an opportunity. So by the time I got to Loyola, I was more, what am I doing here? And they're like, all these kids are freshmen in a dorm. You feel old? I was like, I'm old. And people are asking me to check in for class.

And I go, I'm paying to be here. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job. So I was kind of like, this is weird. But I got through it. I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well to go through the city college and get my associates transferred to UCLA. And yeah, when I got to UCLA, I was only like three years older than everyone or four.

But I was like super into the groundlings. That was kind of my real life. And I remember, yeah, feeling. very old on that campus. I also smoked and nobody smoked and I'm like an old piece of shit at this place. Yeah. I don't remember feeling like you're like haggard. I felt like a dirt bag. Yeah, you were. Looking at the sorority parties. Was I going? Like, where's everyone going? You guys went to a football game. I mean, I just wasn't having that total college experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think similar. And I was six, you did flags of our fathers, which would have been during that period. Did you go to

Detroit for a grand trina? Did you shoot there? I did. How was your experience? It was... It was fine. It was fine. It was good. We stayed in a really... Actually, you know, because it's Detroit, but it's like a really nice part. Birmingham, you're probably.

And a really bad part. So they kind of ride like a fine line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were shooting in the exciting area. Exciting. Yeah, you know, you know, you know, it's... Yeah, sure. Walk me through, again, I know at that 10, you're like 20-something years old, but...

Yeah, I was kidding. Initially, you were going by. Scott Reeves, you're like, I'm not... Not doing the dad thing. I'm not going to do it. I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going, I don't care. Even if you're just gone by my name.

It's fine, Eastwood, whatever. But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own. And, you know, you want to prove something to yourself. Of course. There are probably people in town. And then you start working. And then you realize it's more about doing the work

and living in a hotel room across the globe. but all this stuff doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's like you've got to do the work. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic baby? Or was it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm going to show dad.

I'm going to do this without any help. Maybe a little bit of both. Maybe a mix. Yeah. But definitely probably like, on me, I'm going to try to go do me. Yeah, you're your own person. Eastwood's also, it's not. Smith. It's just so clear immediately, you know.

Definitely not Smith. I've never had a friend with the last name Eastwood of you. No, until now. Yeah, until starting today. Until now. But I've heard you say that you're like ultimately quite happy it went this way, but your day was a hard ass, right? Who's tough? On his sons. Oh, sucker for his daughters. Oh, that's cute. Would you resent your sisters at all? Like, God, why they got it made? I think Now I'm like, what did you put me through? And look at that. What's going on here?

This balance of fairness is not mathing. Yeah. But no, I love them all. You're fine with it. It's all for the best. You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated, I would imagine. Well, I don't think it was probably in a row.

Definitely not. You know, you start working in little things. There was probably a lot of credits that weren't because there were student movies and stuff that never saw the light of day. But you start working, you start taking acting classes. You do improv classes, like the groundlings, you start auditioning like a madman. I remember there were times there were like two or three auditions in a day. This was way before the phone and the taping and stuff.

You had to drive around the city still with the Thomas guide. Oh, I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate when I finally booked the buyout for two grand, I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour. It's terrible. I got this up. Terrible. There's so much PTSD driving around L.A.

because you're like, oh, that's where I audition for that. They're always popping up. And like you said, I mean, at a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm going to give this till 30. But if at 30, this ain't working, I got to find a new gig. Yeah. Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in L.A.? Did you feel like an outsider or did you feel immediately embraced? Never felt like I fit in.

Still don't even feel. Right. Love the act of storytelling. Whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process, love it. Intellectualizing about it, having long talks about acting. Not really for me. Yeah. That doesn't mean, like, you don't have to put in the reps in the gym.

You got to figure out what works for you, I think. But that doesn't mean that's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable. Yeah, my dad was never one to intellectualize about it. He's like, just go tell the truth, man, figure it out, come prepared. do the job. Right. There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting. Yeah, he's unique in that he didn't live in L.A.

Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60 years ago. As soon as he could. And I did the same. Yeah, you live in San Diego? I live in Texas, Austin, Texas. Oh, wow. But I lived in San Diego for many years. I pretty much left after college.

I didn't live here very long. I was like, the city was just too much for me. And do you think you paid any price for them? as far as like working? I mean, clearly not. You've worked consistently. I've debated this with people. I've talked about this at nauseam.

I'm sure not being in the same brooms with creatives and being here. Or I'd have weird dinner and talk to this person. Right. Sure. You'd be great for this thing. You should look at. I'm sure there is. But the saying goes, if you cost you your piece, it's too expensive.

Uh-uh. And this place was costing me my piece. Okay, Fury. Incredible experience. Yeah, how hard. I want to hear about it. Oh, I made a movie with Pena. So I got to hear his whole version of that.

And then interviewed John Brentall and heard his take on Shia during that, which is really fun. We didn't talk to Pitt about Fury. But what a fascinating life experience, yeah? Who's the director? David Eyre. Did he want you guys to box? He did. We did that quite a bunch, I think, in the early days before we started filming.

He wanted people to bond. He also wanted people to make. maybe feel the jungle, monkey politics. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Having to box your co-stars should be highly memorable. Yeah. No, no, we did. We did rounds.

So everyone would box everyone. And look, it was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face. Right. Oh, okay. It wasn't really sparring. It was touch. It's when the boys would get intimate. Exactly.

And how did you do with Shaya? Because John was like, at first he's like, oh, God, fuck this guy with the fucking method. And I can't remember if he said it was like midway through. he's like, this guy's fucking great. There's just no way around. Like, she walks the wall. Like, the results are there. Look, Shia is clearly tormented and maybe got some stuff going on.

Certainly addiction. Yeah. And it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about it. Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little, a tense moment. I didn't even know about that. Well, he was very method.

From what I recall, he pulled out of one of his teeth. I think I heard that. Before we even started shooting. And I remember being in. In the makeup of your face. No, no, sorry, that was a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself. Okay.

And I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy. Yeah. I'm just going to keep clear from this guy. I don't play this game. You go and do that, but there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie and be professional also, right? But one day, he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank. Okay. Which was in the script.

Oh, my God. Dip or dip? Yeah, but it wasn't real. And then finally I just said, enough's enough. I said, hey, fuck you. He said, stop pulling your shit. I said, I'm going to whip your ass. And then, you know, he got, you know, froggy.

And then everyone broke it up. Oh, wow. David Airbus had been like, mm-hmm. Perfect. The flowers are blooming and he's planted the seeds. Keep it rolling. Get those cameras rolling. He wanted a lot of tension.

He likes that. I could never do it, but I am. fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like spengaline all these weird onset dynamics you again if i was shy oh yeah or love them one or the other maybe both but if he was talking to oh no i don't have a lot of tolerance for yeah i can just say it like whatever your process is fucking great handle that before you hear action handle that before we get called the set i don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal because your character won't hold that pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that

pan, come get me. Everybody's contributing. Everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train. Right. It's a moving train. And grow the fuck up. Yeah. You know, it's like just the director wants you to do something. If it's something crazy, okay, then, hey, maybe that's too far. But be a collaborative. You can do whatever performance you want to do holding the pan or not holding the pan. Yeah, exactly. How far into production was that little dust up? Oh, it was probably midway. Everyone had moments with Shaya that were, I think, at one point,

you're going to come to blows or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny. The film industry, it attracts psychopaths because it's art, right? It's art and business and they kind of intersect. Yeah. A lot of delusion and self-granture. Yeah, and you have a desire to be observed.

Yeah, so narcissism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like low-grade narcissism. up to maximum narcissism. Or just mentally ill, too. Yeah. There's a lot of mental illness. True.

There is, and in fact, there's a handful of kind of legendary actors or it's like, yet the performances are so good. They're so emotionally available. And they're unhinged. I'm not shocked. Like, I can't do what certain actors can do. I've never even gotten there in real life,

much less on command. Exactly. And that's why they're so fascinating to watch. Yeah. So that's why some of the forgiveness for behavior which I don't excuse because when bad behavior is bad behavior it's like this is a place of work

the crew got to go home everyone wants to be happy people deserve to be respected doesn't matter if you're picking up a piece of trash or if you're saying the lines or if you're holding the camera everybody has the same respect decency so it's like when you start infringing on that as a place of work that's when it gets tough for me because I'm like

beat it yeah no one's got tolerance for that but at the same time when you see that performance and you're like, holy shit, that's magnetic. That's really interesting to watch. Yeah, it is. It's a tricky.

It is a hard. Yeah, you can't really say hard and fast. It really comes down on like how good is the person. I don't know, Sean Penn apparently is not a walk in the park. Yeah. Like, I've all met him personally. And so I've always had a nice thing with him personally, but I've never worked with him.

I know he's probably quite intense. I just happened to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. It was his own self-awareness. For him to do what he does, which I can't do, it's uncomfortable for him. And when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best. Yeah, a lot of insecurity too, right? It comes with acting sometimes because people, they're so tormented and then they're so insecure about their performance or what they're doing.

Then they overcompensate with this confidence or fake bravado. And then it's an ugly sort of cycle because you're like, hey, man, just be nice and cool. Just be cool. Let's just all just be nice. And yeah, it's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action. And that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch. Let's all acknowledge, yeah, it's a very vulnerable, embarrassing endeavor.

How will we navigate it? Were you in love with Brad Pitt like I am? Oh, yeah. He's the best. Consumit Pro. You're watching performances. You're lost watching them while it's happening. You're like, oh, I have a line coming up.

Yeah. I'm just watching performance. It's so good. You can't. It's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it and just a total pro. Brad's great. Can I ask about your girlfriend?

Sure. How long were you guys together? Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away? Yes. We were together for three or four years. This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Is her airbag went off and it was defective? Yeah.

Yeah, I had a recall. on the airbag and what would have been a fender bender. Probably most people would survive. Yeah, she was essentially shot by the airbag. Oh, my God. That's horrifying. So sad. How are you juggling what I would imagine?

Like, for me, if I were you at 28? That sounds about right. You just finished Fury. I was on another film set at the time. And as you know, being on a film set when someone passes, or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually.

I had lost Paul Walker on Fury, and he was one of my close friends. When you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on. You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has an hour after you hear this. Yeah.

So you can't fly home. You stuck. You've got to work. I got the call actually during a filming day. And I think I did a close. classic defense mechanism, just punt that to later. Compartmentalize. Compatementalize that to later.

Yeah, that's going to be miserable. I mean, we're going to deal with at some point. That's not today. Yeah, brutal having to deal with that and then not being able to go through that. I grieve later. And that's not a great thing because I think you do want to grieve with the people that are around that you did know that were part of their lives as well. Yeah.

That's like an important part of the grieving process. I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral and you think that's going to be miserable. It's like, no, you see all these people that are dealing with the same thing. It can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part. Yeah, I never got to do it. I think I compartmentalize it so much.

I couldn't go to the, I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if I just completely blacked it out. But I had to process that grief later. That was tough. If I were you and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between having just done Fury. I'm going to said, things are finally going great. And I would have been like, oh, right. Yeah. don't get to have anything great.

The shoes are going to drop and here it is. Do you have the kind of shoes going to always drop mentality? No, not anymore. Maybe with my parents a little bit because they're older. And that does scare me being on a film set and having to deal with that. I don't think people talk enough. Like, you know, you know, you could be in a hotel room across the globe. It's a lonely endeavor, right?

It's not always people see on the thing. and they go, well, that's amazing. Oh, my gosh. But it's months sometimes of living out of a hotel room. And it's like that. And then you combine what happens in real life because people die and pass and you miss things. It's tough. Yeah, the thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, A, it was so fun for a while.

I just loved going out town. I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that I don't have to deal with any of my problems for two months. Like, that's all the upside. That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist and have roots and propel forward because I've hit pause.

Yeah, you're missing people's birthdays, weddings. You're missing kids graduation from high school. You're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll you pay for doing that and having this, you call it, fantasy pause thing. Yeah, yeah. But you do pay for it. Yeah, it's a very punctuated existence.

And then there's like the slowdown do, which I find can be, if you're not careful and you don't stay, for me, I got to stay busy, I got to stay active, I got to stay moving and doing things. The heightness of being on set and everything's happening, go, go, go, go, go. Currently, like you're pretending right now you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day. It's pretty heightened. Pretty heightened. Yeah, in this movie.

Oh, in this movie, yeah. Did you at all wrestle? So another thing that might have happened to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with because it was taken and I don't know where it was going to go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all? Yeah, I mean, losing somebody.

when you're that intimate with them and you think they're just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person, it's always tough. I have lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late, late teens. I've just lost a lot of people.

Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times. Yeah. I don't know if I answered that question. You did. I just think when relationships don't run their natural course. That's confusing.

It's confusing. I'd probably put a wall up. Or they end not because of a reason you would have picked, but they had to end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind. Yeah. And will anyone ever be that? Unfinished business. Maybe a little delusion about it, I think, as well.

The mind's got like a very powerful way of remembering all the nice parts. Yeah. Yeah. You're kind of forgetting. If I died, my wife will forget. I clear my throat every nine minutes. In a year, she'll forget I did. that and she wants to kill you.

She hasn't yet, but yeah. Or no, really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it. I mean, that's what that's what will happen. Yeah, she convinced herself she liked the throat. Well, sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say like, I'm going to miss this one day. Yeah. So it's like good to remind yourself in those moments.

I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I probably for years was like, that's not a thing. Yeah. But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience only summarized by it was an out-of-body experience with the people I have lost. Wow. Oh, wow. And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning going there.

You have to book her out because she's very in demand. But it is an incredible out-of-body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my past. Is the experience a joyful experience? Or is it more of a peace of mind experience? Like, oh, good, they're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway? Both of those things?

It's highly emotional. It's most clear-headed, but also the most lucid you've ever been. It's hard to... Shrooms and Coke at the same time? Zero. Nothing. No, no, I mean me. Yeah, I know.

Comparing the experiences. More powerful than any drug. Whoa. And there's no drugs involved in this. Zero drugs. Whoa. Zero drugs. And I feel always a woo-woo like telling people about it.

But I'm like, people have to understand. People have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're going to get you to go. Have you been to Bali? One time with my mom. Okay. I'd like to go as a grown-up big boys. You should go.

I didn't see your dad if you go. Oh, I would love that. I really would love that. If you want, I'll get... That's amazing. It's extremely powerful. Wow. Now that you said that, I'm intrigued.

Yeah. Yeah. I want to apologize. You get some peace and close. Are you conversing or it's like more... I mean, maybe you can't even put into words, really. You have to experience it. You have to experience it.

Okay. Wow. That's incredible. That's incredible. I'm glad you've got that. It's a great lesson for people listening, right? That's like, say the thing you want to say. Pick up the phone.

Tell them you love them. if you're in a fight or pissed off. They can be around forever. And that might be a regret. Yeah, the math that you don't do is like, oh, I'm going to be living long after. And I will live with all those decisions. Okay.

This is just a full circle thing that I must acknowledge because I have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song Wildest Dreams is about me. Then we interview Alexander Scarsgaard. And I found out, my God, that song's actually about him. Really? I mean, yeah. That's what they.

That's the lore. Did they date? Yes. They had a dust up like you and Shia. No. But it wasn't broken up by Brad Pitt. Yeah, yeah, good dust up. Sexy dust.

Yeah, she wrote a song about him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised when you did the video she didn't like go, hey, by the way, you're playing Alexander Scarsger. So you can be as tall as possible. Stand up a little bit more.

He spoke very highly of her. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, what full circle. So I finally met who was actually about. And now I'm meaning you who was in the video. He was in the video, yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me? Well, exactly.

It seems like you're the lowering on the video. I could figure that out. Although she could have been a romance and she wrote a song about you and then she cast you. Exactly. She did cast me. Are you here to break the news? Is this the moment? Is this the fire you want to play with?

It's almost the moment. Okay. You let us know. You recognize the stakes of that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? The stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song. written about you. That's right. You could. And you could have the Swifties love or hate you

forever until the end of time. That's right. And if you take a red scarf or something, whatever the line is, you are enemy number one. Don't do that. How did you get that? She just picked up the phone and called me. She did. And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank. Well, first off, she called. I had no pre-warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you and then they call you. And you're like, okay, I'll take that call. She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift. It's like a no number. What?

Okay. Wow, what a call to give it. Yeah, exactly. I might need to FaceTime. Yeah. I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video, mostly, too. She wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, right? It was like this cinematic film, the music industry.

They don't do that anymore. It's not the 90s and we don't have these big sort of video. There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that or afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents and none of them wanted me to, they were like, this is a bad idea. It didn't seem like a vertical step. No. They were like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, nah, you know, I don't agree.

Think that she's cool and she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I say, I think it's a cool creative thing. Yeah. Let's do it. Good for you. That would have been a regret. Did you hang with her on set and stuff? up? I did. And did you enjoy her company? She's amazing. She's a monster, man. I'm in awe of her.

She's incredible. How many fasts have you done? Two, three? I've been in two. You've been in two. You've been in two? Is there another one coming? So they say. Wow. That would be fast 11? Maybe fast 10 part dose. Oh, okay. Is that 11? Wait, you didn't meet Paul on that. No, I knew Paul since I was probably like when I was 18, 17, 18. 17, 18? From surfing? surfing, jujitsu. We were just kind of brothers. He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother.

He just was like a great mentor to me. In the business, in life, we would go surf to Channel Islands together a lot. We would go down to Mexico and surf. And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for Fass. So it was very nostalgic. Yeah.

That's lovely. What's that set like? Big. Yeah. A lot of personality. Yeah, a lot of personalities. They've been doing it for like, what, it's 25, 30 years now? It's a very unique property.

Very unique. Vin Diesel, no disrespect. He's an enormous movie star. I mean, probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey. Yet he's only in those movies. Those are his thing. He's in like a TV show. Episodic TV.

Yes. Biggest. He has every episode's a billion dollars. How lucky to get a job like that? One character for 30 years. You made like $500 million. Oh, my God. Knock on wood.

That's coming. How do you do with all the alpha energy? I'm good with it. I don't try to, I just say. Lock horns, you stick out of me. You guys do whatever you're going to do. I'll be where you need me, when you need me. When this little feet is over.

I'll be here on set, hanging out. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. Okay, Lucky Strike. This is your second movie with this guy, Rod Lorry? Yeah, Rod Lurie. Tell me about him. Why is he making only war movies? You know, Rod started out in the 80s or 90s as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like The Contender, Nothing But The Truth. But these were movies at the time in the 90s. He really likes boxing, politics, and war.

Uh-huh. Those are, I think, like, the three things. Maybe football, right? So you'd tell what you know. At the time, he was. was put up for like one of these movies we're going to win an Oscar. Stephen Spielberg was like, this is the guy. And, you know, he made some great movies. And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business. You go to jail for a minute. You go to director jail. Thank you for clarify now. Like he went to jail. That's a, uh, director jail is a little bit. You're enjoying any overlap when I was in there for the chips. Chips jail. You know, he stayed a great writer.

And he's come back kind of as a director. And I worked. with them on The Outpost, which is a good film, and it was a big bummer, because that film came out in 2020. Yeah. In March 2020. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oops.

Oops. Yeah. And I remember, actually, I was in Australia, and I flew home because our movie got into South by Southwest and was premiering opening night. Yeah, baby. And it was a good movie. Yeah. Yeah.

True Story. Two Medal of Honor winners. Is that in Afghanistan? Yep. Yeah. Afghanistan, and we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, as you get off the plane. And it was like, the festival's canceled.

And I was like, what do you mean the festivals canceled? That's insane. Why? They're like, what do you mean? Have you been living under Iraq? And I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah. And they're like, yeah, there's this thing called COVID. They shut it down.

They shut it down. And it became a sleeper hit on VOD. It did. I really liked working with Rod. And actually, it was a funny story because I had done a few war movies when he offered this movie Lucky Strike to me. He started with, it's a World War II.

I said, uh, let me stop you right there. I've done my tours. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I've done the Pacific. I did, tank movie in Europe.

I've done Afghanistan now. I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I got to take a break. I'm not going to do any more war war. And then he said, I think you should read it. And I said, no,

no, I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best, via Condios. Please find the next guy who can do this, he'll do it better than I will. And then about three weeks go by and my agent calls me and says, hey, man, I think you should really read this, lucky strike.

It's really good. I said, really, I got to read this. Okay. I'm going to read it, then I'm going to like it. Yes, exactly. And I read it, and it's great. Then you shipped off to, where did you guys shoot that? We shot that in Bulgaria.

Whoa. Bulgaria. Appropriate because it's about the Battle of the Bulge, and we almost have Bulgaria in there. You like that? I did. I did. Yeah, thank you. I made all that work. Alliteration with B and G.

Yeah, so it's set in World War II December, 1944. The war's coming to a close-ish. Coming to a close-ish. I mean, everyone was, I think, kind of like, this was the last push. We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter,

which typically, I don't think even Ukraine and Russia are fighting. And those guys don't fight during winter. They don't even know it's winter. They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We got to keep going forward. It was just pre-battle of the bulge. It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out,

and there was one sole survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days. And I don't want to give away too much. It's a true story, right? It is. Our producer Mark Friedman, who is a lovely French guy, who was living in France. He's older gentlemen, but he was living there post-World War II.

And he interviewed a bunch of guys. was a writer. And he took down this account, this incredible account of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines on the French Belgian border. I don't want to say too much. Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambushed and killed. And you have a radio. You have this is a Motorola. It's brand new, right? It's true. It was brand new technology for the time. And you call in and they go, great, we're also under heavy fire. Your extraction point or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles. And it's in the mountains and snow.

Yeah, fucking World War II, dude. Like, even your clothes suck. Yeah. I watched it last night. And I'm like, not good enough clothes to be fighting in the winter. No. You know, like, we have Cortex now. We have all these waterproof things.

You're just in, like, fucking cotton. Cotton. Just everything's wet. Yeah. Cold and wet. You got half gloves on, but those are useless. Was it freezing where you were actually shooting? It was.

I had made a promise, by the way, to go back to why I told Rod, no, I'm not doing this movie. I made a promise I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially fucking winter. Yeah. Oh, God. You broke all your promises. I broke all really. Yeah. I don't even want to do a summer movie.

Oh, yeah. I think that's probably good. Yeah. It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains, shooting. and it just was endure the suck, as they say. Yeah. You're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit.

You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing. More crawling. More cold. I did find silver lining. And you always do. Anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrificed themselves for our country, it comes with like a heavier weight. And I also find that they might not be making World War II movies in 20 years from now.

We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make it with. Everything is either broken, you can't find it. It's harder and hard to make these movies. So, you know, I'm like, okay, this might be the last time I ever do a World War II movie. Let's pay it some respect. Let's honor that. Yeah, let's honor that. I was thinking that a lot during that.

I'm like, okay, 1944, 18 years away from being 100 years. Oh, that's wild. And for me, World War II is very alive because both my grandma. My grandpa, my mom's side, was in the Battle of the Bulge. He ran transmission wire. My other grandpa was in the Pacific. So it was like, World War II is a thing, dude. My grandparents were in it.

They told me stories. I saw pictures. But certainly, yeah, no one now. Now it's going to be a war like we think of the Revolutionary War. Like, we never met anyone from that. What? Is that even real? It's just in history books.

So, yeah, I think you're right. I was having that thought. Like, I wonder how many more World War II movies there'll be before. People are like, I don't know. That war was like a trillion years ago. Tough times and hard, hard. people. I feel like we've gotten away from that because we have such good times in this country because of what they did. Well, I loved it. I watched it and I like a war movie, man. I spend the

entire time going like, could I do what I do it? You're just evaluating the whole time like, yeah, what that? I keep going. It looks hard. It's kind of unimaginable. Yeah. You've got a pretty sweet sprinter van? I don't. You don't have that. No. I had a airstream. Oh, you had an I had an air stream in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey. In Malibu? No. Oh, in Texas. Oh, in Texas.

In us in Texas on Barton Springs. Oh, God. Not directly across from Black, but close? Close to Terry Blacks. Yeah. Okay, I know it well, and I've eyed it like a dozen times to see if I'm trying to figure if I could pull my tour bus in there if it's big enough for that. Were there any 45 footers in there?

Mine was 33 feet. I know there was bigger tour buses in there. Okay. The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots. They do reserve that you can get in there. That's what I was looking at doing. Yeah.

What is it, Monica? Texas is obsessed with Barton Springs and Matthew McConaughey and Automatic. Yeah, all the things you just said was like. Yeah. I live at Barton Springs when I'm there. Do you love it? I do love it. It's a little busy for me where I would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake.

They call it the river. Yeah, like Austin. Lake Austin. It's actually the Colorado River. That's right. So I would just go do that in the same water. Yeah. Well, it's a spring. It's always 69 degrees. It's true. A lot more to look at there. There is. It is actually, it is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late. Just because it's so packed sometimes. Bernie man. Yep. I saw some photos of Bernie man. Done that a few times. Yeah, how's that? I have great interest in going. Did you do it the like fancy way? That's what I would want to do. I've done it both. The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane. Landing on the desert with a car right to your thing.

Very cool. How do I get that experience? Can you hook me up with whoever you called? Done. You're in. Is that Taylor Swift? Does she have to call me? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know if Taylor Swift's been. I'm going to guess no. And then you've done the tent version? Not the tents. Okay. But we did the drive-in. Like, hey, we're going to do the whole thing.

a whole week, which might have been a little ambitious. Might have been a little much burning, man. Yeah, what's the right dosage of burning man? Like three days? I think three days, but I think it's two nights. You leave end of third day. Perfect. Okay, good tip, good tip.

The real burners would, like, shoot me for saying that. Yo, I know, there's a lot of... Shoot away. And then, Jiu-Jitsu. How long have you been doing Jiu-Zitsu? Man, since I was in my early 20s, 22, 23. Are you a blackout? I haven't got my blackbell, yeah.

You haven't gotten your black. You're a round ball. Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. Are you going to get it? Yeah. They're kind of asking.

I have sort of dodged and weave. It's funny. It's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. Uh-huh. And it's just like anything. You're like, you still feel like a beginner. No matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh, man, that's just like a permission to still learn.

And the guy I trained under for the last 20 years. Nelson Montiero, he's a coral belt. And he's 60 years old, and he's ripped, and he will fuck you up. And his name and his legacy, he wants only the best. Yeah. All these guys, any of the guys, the Machado brothers, any of these guys, it's the same thing. It's like, they're not going to give you something you haven't earned. Yeah, if you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good.

Yeah. Is this how you broke your ankle before Outpost? No, no. Is that a drinking accident? I think there might have been a drinking accident. Those are the best times. I know what he's talking about. Oh, no, was it like a bird scooter?

Is that what the, I'm going to let you guys. Well, I just get hammered and drive scooters around and then they wake up and they need an MCL. It happened to our friend. Yeah, yeah. She was drunk on a bird scooter and, yeah. Yeah. So it's like, oh, I've never been on a scooter. Let's go for the first.

That looks fun. Let's go 30 miles an hour for the first. time hammered. It's a very common decision. Smart decision. Yeah. How did you break your ankle? How did I break my ankle? This is the biggest. This is the most secret of you've been this whole interview. This is our scoop, how he broke his ankle. A long time ago. Here's the thing about divulging too much about that. His dad broke his ankle. There we go. There is. No. Oh, it's not. What were you going to say? That little incident

shut down the movie for a while. But we got it back on track and we made the movie. That's what matters most. What matters is by the end of the movie, you were able to run on it for a few scenes. For a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the director's vision. Do you fall off a staircase?

Are there legal ramifications for telling us? There just might be. You are saying a lot. I'm not saying any of these things. How abstract, we've interpreted. interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous, and it varies. I'm being serious. Many of them are convinced they're not good looking, sincerely.

Famously, he told it on here, but like Bradley Cooper, when he got nominated for sexiest, or not nominate, when he won sexiest man alive. One. He won. He fought in one. He really thought that there was like a bit afoot. Like, oh, there's a joke. They're fucking with me. Oh, wow.

And I'm like, Cooper, how many girls need to want to fucking before you... I know, it's true. Recognize that that was like, warns it. Yeah, what is your relationship with this being handsome? When people say it, I think I get them like... Uncomfortable? Yeah, it's called me handsome. Like, well, thank you.

That's nice, but I also don't take compliments well in general. You have noticed that, yeah. My dad and I both don't take compliments well. We're like, okay, great, but we got to go to work. So thanks for all that. we're going to go make a movie. You're allergic to indulgence. Yeah.

We don't do that way. But there's a few different motivations for that. Like, one is, I don't feel worthy of that compliment. I don't connect with that compliment, right? Sure. There is like, it doesn't do anything for you. I don't feel better because you said this. Yeah.

So it's kind of pointless. I guess because you can't control how you look, but you can control how you affect people, what you put out there into the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff, I think if someone said,

hey, I watched your movie, it really affected me. I lost a father or I connected with this. I felt some sort of... Yeah, yeah. Or made me laugh. Shit, who cares? That's more interesting to me.

And I say, oh my God, I'm so glad that affected you. I'm so glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than, hey, you're so. Yeah, because you're like, I didn't earn it.

That's why I wanted to ask because I think it's complicated because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful, right? But you know, you know being famous, you're like a zoo animal. After a while, you're like, why is I'm not looking at me? Oh, I forgot. I'm a famous person. You're like, it feels odd. You know, you're like quite just relax when you're in public because you're like, oh, shit. I want to say something in there.

There's a lot of complicated. I always tell people they're like, you know, everyone wants to be famous. You don't want to be famous. I want to be rich. Sure. Who doesn't want to be rich, you know, and not have to worry about where you're going to get your next sandwich from. Yeah.

Yes. But being famous, that's not really. That's the famous Bill Murray quote. If you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I recommend the rich part. Yeah. You'd also already been disillusioned, let's be honest. 100%.

Yeah, you'd already watched in your home the impact of that. I saw the bullshit. My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without 100 people coming up to him. Yeah. Yeah. He's very gracious. But at the same time, it does wear on you at some point because you're like I am. I'm having a meal with my family. There's a price you pay.

Like you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it. Also, you know, you kind of look like it hit me a few times in the movie last night and then it hit me. It's hitting me here on the couch. What's saying on three? Oh, that would be fun. Will you count to three? But three, two, one, then we say it. Oh, okay.

Okay. Three, two, one. Anthony Star. Oh. Wait, we didn't even get yours. Mine was Taryn Edgar. I think you look a lot like him. Okay.

Both are very... Who'd you say? I said Anthony Starr. Tony Starr from the boys. Homelander. Oh, do you get that? Have you ever gotten Homander? No.

Do you watch the boys? I do watch the boys. I do watch the boys. I watch it, yeah. Fucking great, right? You don't get either of these. He's a beast. He's a beast.

He's a talented motherfucker. He's a bad one. He's... Holander, the big Superman character. The big good guy. The big bad one. Well, Scott, this has been a blast. I love Lucky Strike.

If you love war movies, you're going to fucking love this. It comes out June 26 nationwide. And I guess did you travel here for this? Are you on a little tour? I'm doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I've got to leave the East Coast to go do press and make my rounds. Okay. Well, it was a delight to me.

Yeah, thanks for coming. This has been great. Good luck with the movie. And we'll see you again when you do fast. I brought you guys some stuff. What? You don't strike me as the kind of guy that would bring something. No, no, no.

We've got this supplement company. Oh. I got you guys both things you just do. Oh, cool. Oh, what does this supplement do for me? Obviously. Well, it's an all-in-one. Oh, I love it.

North performance. Why North performance? It's find your north. Oh, okay, like your North Star? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements, and my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it.

And he was like, let's make it all in one. Oh, you got creatine in this bit. Oh, I love cranes. So you can get everything. You know, you don't, forget. You're like, okay, one thing in the morning, and then you're like, hit your foundation. I don't see Tessa Morlin in here or Ipamorlin or SS31 or testosterone. Where are those? Those you got to inject, my friend. Yeah. He knows. He's doing it. Yeah. Amazing. Thanks,

thank you. Yeah. No problem. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. Here we are. Welcome home. Back in the attic. Is your famous welcome home song? Welcome home. Well,

welcome home. That's our cure all song. That's our Edward Sharp home song. Oh, is that one go, Waddy. Oh, I love that song. I don't sing either. Whoa. Home is where I, that's my naive melody,

my favorite song of all time, talking heads. Which, by the way, This is fresh off the press. This is a couple hours old. Driving the kids of school this morning. Yeah. And there is a new version of my very favorite song.

This must be the place by The Talking Heads. It's by, sure, sure. Can I play you two seconds a bit? It's an exciting version of it. Ooh. I like that version, right? Yes. I mean, to me, you're really taking,

you're like you're rewriting the Bible for me on this one. You're remaking Godfather. This is a dangerous endeavor, and they passed my test. It's very playful. Incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes out. I don't want to bore everyone with the entire song. But boy, does it take off the playfulness?

Exciting. I just ordered Calvin a banner that says this must be the place yesterday for his bedroom. It's like a big camping banner. Wabi. What's a camping banner? Like your camp. A flag? It's like a flag.

Yeah. Cute. Like you declare like Camp Rascal. Like that's the division. That is Rob. Camps camp rascal. Of course it is. Camp rascal. Do I want to tell people about your pants? Speaking of rascal. I mean, I think you would be way better up describing my pants. Okay, so you bought some pants. And you've made an alteration yourself. I thought these pants were going to be like thin summer lineny pants. And when they came, they were so voluminous around the haunches and then up like mid-cav. At the end, they were crazy looking. I put these on it.

I was like, what do we do with these? And I had spent a good deal of money on them. Sure. So they were sitting, right? Yeah. As they do with things I spend a lot of money on, and I can't accept that I'm never going to wear them. Yeah.

And then I think on Friday, I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at. Yeah. And I did that. And then I wore them all day Friday. And I just love how they feel. And they're either hideous looking on me or they work. I can't tell.

No, I actually don't think it's. That's the either or. Oh, okay. Because they're not hideous. Okay. Of course they work. They. Well, I mean, yes, they're covering my genitals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they are intriguing. They're one-offs. I mean, they're an original. They are because they hit you at about. They're like pool lots. Let me stand up. Let's get a real.

Let's not guess. Okay. So it's about, what, four inches below the knee, five inches? Yeah. But it's definitely two-thirds of the way up. the calf and shin, maybe even three quarters of the way up. You know what you're doing? What?

You're being Brad Pitt. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it. You said, oh, I'm going to be wearing skirts. I'm going to be wearing skirts here in a minute. And that's it. You're right. I'm inching towards.

Wow. I could in fact just have these seams opened up and maybe have them joined. Yeah, make a skirt. And have my first skirt. Oh, okay. Cute. Wow. This might be the first iteration of this garment.

I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works for us. They're comfortables all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these. That's good. I slept in these last night if you got to know the fulcher. Sure. And then I woke up and I ran out of time.

Look, I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school. And when I got out of the car, I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self-conscious about this outfit? See, that's very Brad pity. Yeah. It's pity. Real pity. And then I ran into my good friend Scott Schaefer, who was an AD on Parenthood, a great AD, and now is head of physical production at HBO.

Cool. A, I just love seeing him because we were good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at HBO, which is fun behind the curtain. But I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happen. God damn it, now we're here. Yeah. What's wrong?

Okay. Back up. I have the new goal of waking up at 5.50 in the morning so I can write for two hours before I drop the kids off at school. Well, I woke up at 4.50 and I was kind of fucked. And I'm like, what am I going to now stay up till 4.15? And I knew we had a long day. So then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which means I didn't wake up till 7, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation. So I pretty much ran out the door. I hadn't even looked in a mirror. And I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott. I'm like, I look like, I look like. I look like a bozo, I look like a circus clown, that's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies.

Oh, my God, I looked in the rear view mirrors. I got like, I was like, fucking A, I had sleepies all. Poor Scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit, and I had sleepies. He must have been grossed out. No, he wasn't. He must have thought I was unhoused. No, he thought you were sleepy.

That's what sleepies mean. Sleepy is mean. I got in that car and I was looking in there and I, I was, oh, fuck, I had a sleepy on my left. And then I was like, oh, my God, I'm on the right eye too. Was it really yellow? No, it wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where like the folds of my chubby eyelids would be. It was like a little crust.

But white crust. It wasn't so gross as just that's crust. No, it's. Oh, my God. People are going to stop listening. You're going to have to at some point. No, it's fine. Between the shitting my pants.

It's an audio podcast. They can't see your crust. But at some point are they like, you know what? This guy's disgusting. No. Okay. Well, that's what happened. You're not a little embarrassed.

Oh, I'm sorry that happened. It's okay. You weren't going to tell us that. You were keeping that. No intention of telling anyone that. That would have been something that never came up. Why? Because you thought you might cry?

It would just be my quiet, quiet shame. I don't know. But it's out there. It came up. Let's talk about the fact that your home from your European vacation. And massage. And people are not going to.

And massage. They're not going to be cool with us not asking an update because our last fact check ended with heavy speculation. That's right. And heavy encouragement. You have a ring on your finger? Yep. I am engaged.

Oh, my goodness. It's a huge development. I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing, Rob. It's a beautiful ring. Shut now. Oh, my God. Shout out to Chanel.

About it myself. It was not by my massage therapist. Okay. But I will give an update on the massage. Please, please, please. Can I suggest that you start on, say, Saturday when? Oh, gee. Because you've now told Molly, Amy, and Kristen that you're seeing him.

And they've all had massages by him. Right. I mean, I get, sure. They arranged it. Yes. Because they've had these massages. They believe it was, a life-changing massage.

Medicinals. And so now they're starting to get really excited for you as the appointment closes it. I want to point out that so much hype started building that you went into it, I would imagine, with the mindset of like, isn't it this going to be terrible compared to, I think that's important. Yes, it was very hyped up, but it's been hyped up for years. And then, yeah, I'm going in. I'm like, okay, well, really, I think I was looking for it to disappoint. Okay.

I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing. So then, well, I didn't tell the girls this. I said it on here, right? That he told me that it was early in his experience when he massaged them. Right. But he has since ratcheted up his performance. Oh, my God. And I didn't tell them that.

You don't want them to feel like they got a bunk version. Yeah, but they did. Okay. Because then. We already know that he looked you up on Instagram from the previous. Yes, yes. He looked me up on Instagram and we know that because last episode, you made a joke about the oil. Do I bring a lot of oil or not a lot of oil?

Yes, I'm just wondering how much oil to bring. And then I said, well, he's looked at my Instagram so I think he knows. Okay. So massage was Sunday. So Saturday, he said, tomorrow's the day. Yeah. Foreplay. Uh-huh.

And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm so excited. And so he sends me his address. It says that he was at his home. Yeah. It's his home, but it's his student. Sure. I'm not taking anything away from his home. It's just it's not a brick and mortar storefront. No. Yeah. It's a residence. I arrived at a residence. Yes. And I was early. Oh. I text him. I'm early. No rush, though. I'll just be standing outside the door. So then he opens the door. He says, voila. Oh my God. That's how he greeted you. Oh, actually, I don't remember. He said something. He had some bedhead. Oh, interesting.

But it looked good on him? Yeah. Yeah. This guy's got to make it. I was like, he's hot. Okay. Yeah. He is hot.

They were, okay, they were right. Yeah. He's objectively hot. Yeah. But also like in a French way, like bedhead, like, then I come in. He picks out my shoes for me, like my little sandals. Oh, okay. Okay.

Because you got to transfer from your street shoes. Yes. Okay. He sits me down on the couch. There's all these oils in front of me. And then he's just like. wants to chat for a little bit. Great.

So then we're chatting. What kind of topics? You know, normal. Okay, get to know your stuff. Yeah. He asks about Kristen. Sure. Updates.

Yeah. He asks what I do. So we, whatever, we're chit-chatting. And I'm feeling so on edge a little bit. Okay. Then you makes me pick out my oils. Okay. I pick a body oil and then also a scent oil.

Sure. Lavender? What do you? I picked lavender for my body. and then this like kind of woodsy one. Oh, smoky. Okay. The whiskey.

Woods. He doesn't speak great English. Mm-hmm. Which is kind of great. Yeah. Yeah. So then he leads me into this other room, the sauna. Okay.

That's in his home. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of his studio. No, I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I'm not. How big is the sauna? Big. It's infrared. I help him learn the word infrared. Great.

We go in there. Now both people are getting something. out of this experience, which is great. He says 20 minutes in the sauna, and then you'll shower. There's a shower. Oh, my God, in front of the cameras. And I said, okay, do I wear this?

So there's a robe hanging. Yeah. And I said, do I wear this robe? And he said, no. Like, he, like, really hated the idea of me wearing the robe in the sauna. Yes, yes, of course. And so I said, oh, okay, yeah.

And he said, nude. Like, he kept saying nude. He doesn't say naked because that's, I guess, an American word. And I said, okay. And then he said, you can wear this. And there's this like little kind of paper underwear. Okay.

If you want to wear this, you can wear this. And he said, and then you'll put on the robe. Right. You can wear this underwear if you want, but it's better if you're nude. Yes, yes, of course. Does he stay in the room? No. Okay.

No. Okay. Okay. I think he sensed that maybe I was a little, hmm, about. The nudity. Yeah. So he said, you'll be covered with a towel the whole time. time. I was like, okay, great. At this point, I'm like, I'm just going to have to surrender to this

experience. Because I will say, when he texting me tomorrow is the day. Yeah. I thought, is there a world in which Kristen has told him to have sex with me? Oh, right. And I really did not like that. I need to make it. A charity case? Yeah, I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case. Yeah. And so, and also it was just like, no, like, I don't want that. I'm making the decisions. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I had some fear about that. So I went in being like, I need to make it pretty clear. I'm not interested in that.

Yeah. Right. So anyway, he leaves the room. I get into the sauna and it's really nice. Yeah. And then I get in the shower. And then I was confused about the shower because I'm like, do I wash my hair? I thought he was going to do some hair play and I don't want my hair to be wet during

hairplay. Of course. So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it. And I wash my body. And then I put on the robe. And I put some makeup on my perfume. No, you're in the opposite headspace of where I was. It's so obvious you weren't in that headspace.

So it's why I made that joke. Things do take a turn. So then I go in. Oh, he asked me, he says, do you want the music with lyrics or without? Okay, great. And I was like, I don't know. You don't have preference. Yeah, what do you think?

It's my first time. In your apartment? reminding everyone that he has referred to this as an experience many times. He was like, this is an experience. Like sometimes people cry and feel free to have all the emotions you're going to have. Okay. Okay. So then I pick with lyrics.

Okay, go. Go in. He tells me to lay down and put the towel on. And I look and like in American massages, you get under a sheet. That's right. And it's like really covering your whole body. You slide under the towel. that sheet.

Yeah, like some Brooklyn. A beautiful Brooklyn. Yeah. This was not that. It was a towel. Yep, that you had just dried off or a new towel. A new towel.

Okay. But it's, you know, a towel doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table. It's just just covering my body. Yeah. Comes in, turns on the music.

It's already, it smells so good that Woodsy oil smells lovely. Yeah. And then he starts and it was. Is it instantaneously? connected and hot and lovely. Yeah. It is.

But he pulls the towel down. And does he go down all the way past your butt? Yes. Right out of the gates. So you're just, your whole back is totally exposed. Yes. Oh my gosh. Okay.

And I was like, okay. Okay, here we go. Let's go. Let's go. Buckle. And he does like, he massages sort of to the music. It was so, so sensual. I mean, extremely. Wow.

And he massaged everything except my pussy pacidermis. Okay. But when he was on your butt cheeks, does he, how close is he getting to your anus? My butt hole? Yes. I wasn't like, oh, his finger is touching my butt hole. Right. Okay, good.

But all the whole thing. Well, so the back's the back. The back's the back. You can only get so crazy. Yeah. Now it's time to flip. Oh, okay. So he whispers to turn over.

Oh, okay. And I do. And there's multiple seconds before the towel comes back down on me. Oh, Rob. What's your heart rate at right now, Rob? He's just staring. Oh, my God. And does he make eye contact with you?

Well, my eyes are closed. Okay. You can just feel that he's staring. It's not like you flipped and he walked to another side of the room. No, no, no, no. He lifted the towel. So you could roll over all the way on your back. What I'm used to with the flip.

They stay on the side. They lift the towel. They're on the side and they're like keeping the towels still pretty, I mean the sheets still very close to the. So you're kind of squirming to get over. This is not that. The towel comes up. Right. You flip over.

Out in the open, I flip over. I'm there for some time before the towel comes back on. How long do you think? Five full seconds? Four to five. Four to five seconds. Four to five seconds. Four to five seconds.

Wow. What's happening at your titillation meter, just being bare nude in front of him, knowing he's just enjoying the show? Well, at that time, since it was like halfway through. You're warmed up. Yeah. Yeah. I was.

You were in no hurry for him to feed. It was fascinating. That's very erotic. It was incredibly erotic. Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude might be more erotic and exciting. You're like so exposed. Yes, than even like touching in the middle of kissing. This is such a weird thing to say.

But I feel like we had sex. Right. I really do. Because of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust. It was so. intimate. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. There was one thing he did.

I was facing up. He was put his hands under my back. And lifts you up a little bit? Yeah. Yeah. So you're arching. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

But your breasts are now being jutted out. Everything's out. Right. And as he pulls your backup, they're now shooting out, right? Like you're, am I even understanding this, right? Like he's kind of rolling your spine. Yes. It was like what you would do during sight.

It's a sexual move. Yeah, yeah. He did not touch my vagina. I would be very clear about that. Great. Now tell me about the breast portion. Yeah, he was rubbing your breasts. Yes.

Over the nipples and everything. Yes. Oh my God. Does he do men's massage? I don't know if he's ever done a man. I don't know how. I need it. Did you feel like you might climax during any of this?

You were too afraid to go. like fuck it, let's go for it. Let's embrace it and actually try to climax. You weren't willing to do that. No. Could you have climax? I guess that's a question. My body was ready for it.

Yes. That's all I can. That's all I feel comfortable saying. Sure. It's very hard to explain. It was like if something actually crossed the line, it would have ruined it. Yeah, yeah. I feel you.

I got you. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and appropriate. I mean, you're on the other side of appropriate, but not like whatever your bottom line was. Exactly. Also, if anyone has the opportunity, I would say, you take it. Don't miss it. I'm going to send my mom to him. Your mom would love it.

I know. I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I'd love to believe he's just like a spreader of joy and eroticism and that he would give my mother that same. Yeah. But he wanted. Well, he would. No, he certainly wanted to date you.

Well, he said after, he said, you have a perfect body. Wow. And I was glad he said it after. Yes. Yes. And not during. Right. It was once I had my rope back on and we were out of the room.

Yes. And then, am I right that he asked what you were doing? Yeah, but I think that. You think that was just innocuous? Yeah. What do you think, Rob? I was doing later that night. Directly after he said you have a perfect body.

No, it was a little, five, six minutes after. Yeah, Rob, that was a request for a date. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah. Once he said I had a perfect body, I was incredibly flattered. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were on, you were floating. I was already a mess.

Yeah. And so he. Then he said that and I was like, I got to go. I got to go now. Right. Right. Yeah. Wow.

This is one of the best stories I've ever heard on this show. It was a big day. It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boots was so clearly a joke. And then so when that was a real thing happening, I was like, I can't believe that. I can't believe. that he did need to bring a certain volume of oil. Exactly. Okay, so here's what I thought might happen.

So you were very clear on all your things and then you left and it was perfect. It was perfect. My prediction, and it wasn't like a 70%, I wouldn't bet. Like if I was doing odds in Vegas, I had a 30% thought that you're going to have like a full half day to marinate on the post kind of euphoria of it all. And then you'd go to dinner and you'd be drinking a glass of wine. And then he'd reach out and he'd say like, how are you feeling after your experience? And then I thought there's a 30% chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening. Right.

Did he reach out that evening? He reached out, but it wasn't that evening. It was later, but it wasn't like late. Okay. And it wasn't while you were having a glass of wine. No. Perfect text. I didn't want that.

I know. I know you didn't. I believe you a thousand percent. I just think it's hard for you to understand that. As a yes. Yeah. I won't even say as a guy. As me.

Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So the fact that after all the hype, the buildup, it was everything they said and then beyond that. And I will say, I asked him, how long have you been doing this? And he said, this three years, massage 17 years. Wow.

So when he said he. is doing something different. He is doing something different. Yes. Yes. I did think, though, like, if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience, it would have, I think, felt like, I just cheated. A little. It really does like, it's like, oh, I'm awake. I'm awake now. I'm awake now. Yeah. Wow, what a guy. It was something. It was something. I was not expecting to be able to report all of that back. I thought it would just be like, yeah, it was like a little hyped up, but it was great. I expected it to be like an incredible massage, but this, it wasn't that. It was an experience by God.

It did cross my, I got to tell you, because I'm so protective of you. Yeah. The only thing I thought it was like, okay, so 30% chance some wine happens. You're not on the pill anymore. Oh, I know. That's what crossed my mind is. Are you going to come home right now with this guy's kid? Luckily, abortion is legal in California.

That's true. That's true. But see, that's why abortion should be legal. Because like if they need to go to have this. Sorry, your massage therapist. No, at that point, it's a masseuse. No. Yeah, because what they don't like is that masseuses imply some kind of sexual flavors. So if he did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call him a masseuse. And I was, I was like culturally, this is so interesting. Like, what if it just feels so erotic?

Yeah, what if it's standard? Because it's French. I know. Incredible story. Okay. Now, ding, ding, ding. We mentioned Six Flags in this episode, Six Flags, New Jersey, because that's where she's from Six Flags Great Adventure. And that is a ding, ding, ding, because we just brought that up on another fact check. About the roller coasters.

Yes. Biggest roller coaster is there. Okay, pros and cons to coffee. It has a lot of nutrients. The coffee beans do. vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake. But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants.

In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined. Whoa. Yeah. That's the only place I'm getting my antioxidants. I know. I haven't had a vegetable in a while. I know. I did think like, you're not even seeing it in its peak form. You're seeing it after a food orgy over the last 10 days.

Exactly. Okay. Caffeine, a stimulant that can enhance brain function and boost metabolism. May protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Ooh, it says coffee triggers have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes. Low risk of liver diseases. A low risk of depression and suicide. And this fact check was bought to you on the American Council of Coffee.

Okay, but then it says coffee can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep. Yeah, we can live with that. Addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal. Oh, yeah, who cares? Just keep having the coffee. You can't get your hands on a cup of coffee. Exactly. Yeah.

I guess if you add a lot of sugar, that's bad. Yes, of course. But this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee. That's right. Anyway, it sounds like a lot of pros. Yeah. Which is good.

I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it. Okay. Cold water versus room temp water. I'm always told the Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water. I don't think it's about Chinese. That's what I'm always told. Oh my God, it is. Okay.

All water is good. Dr. Jill Blakeway, a licensed and board certified doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and founder in clinical herbalist at Yenova says cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day and a good choice after exercise. Okay, so drinking warm water may be better in some instances where I'm drinking cold water might also be more beneficial. It says room temp water can make you less thirsty. Cold water is beneficial after a workout.

Room temp aids in digestion. In Chinese medicine, you're right. In Chinese medicine, we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the digestive system. Drinking cold water can congeal the fats and food and because of that can make the digestive system slugging. Well, look, this I think we can say without getting into too much hot water, ding, ding, ding, different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues kind of pandemically.

Yeah. Warm water improves circulation and can relax muscles, which combat constipation and abdominal cramping. Cold water can stuff up your sinuses. Room temp water boosts metabolism because it increases your overall body temperature. Cool. Okay. That's enough. Yeah.

Does scoliosis skip generations? Is scoliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that scoliosis rented families, but no direct evidence has been found. Also nearly a third of patients with adolescent, ideopathic scoliosis have a family history of the condition. Only a third. So, yeah. That's not huge. And that's from the scoliosis Institute.

Okay, she went to a good college, and she says it's one of the seven sisters. And I didn't know what that was. And I felt like a bad unophile. I don't either. Okay. The Seven Sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the northeastern U.S. that are historically women's colleges. Okay.

Barnard, Bryn-Marr, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassar. Vassar College is currently a co-educational college and Radcliffe College was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard College. Oh, wow. Okay. I only knew two of those. I knew. Vassar and Barnyard. Barnard.

You knew Wellesie, right? Oh, yes. I think that might have been in Catcher in the Rye. And Smith, I knew. But I didn't know, well, Bryn Mare, I think, is where she went. Okay, now we know it.

Now we know. Now we know. I didn't know Mount Holyoke. Nope, still don't. These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to their traditional male Ivy League colleges.

It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay. The New York Time article about the indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder, it's called, quote, friending bias. Okay. And it was in August of this year. A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids' outcomes and gives them a better shot at rising out of poverty.

That's what's cool about our kids' school. It is very cool. It's half halves and half half have nuts. Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay. You said when traders have wins, they get a bump in testosterone. Right.

So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day. Oh, wow. So the testosterone affects the outcome. in some ways, weirdly. But I couldn't find the reverse. Okay.

Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen? Yes, but the percentage is... Lower than males. Yes. But what's interesting is we think of estrogen as being the female hormone and testosterone being the male hormone

and obviously there's a big difference. But I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen. Yeah, we learned that in our fertility podcast. Oh, you did. I learned it on Huberman talking to Peter Oteal. It was with...

Oh, okay. And depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot. I think. Self-diagnosed, like my sad. Testosterone is the big opponent of fertility in men. So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it if you want to have kids.

It destroys your fertility. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, the rate of opiate addiction in vets while in Vietnam is 30%, they come home and 4% remain addicted. That's the numbers? That's what you said. Oh, okay. I've lost complete faith in those guesses.

There's this huge publication I found, and there's a table in here. You're definitely right, let's just say, you're definitely right that the number goes drastically down. There's a staggering drop off when they return. But I'll read some of this because I have a broken down to any narcotic use, any heroin use, narcotics more than weekly for a month or more, addicted to narcotics. at any period, you're in positive for narcotics. Okay. So let's just use any narcotic use.

10% since return. Okay. And 43% in Vietnam. Okay. And 11% before Vietnam. That's really weird. It came down. It came down after.

Wow. Yeah. But yeah, 43% narcotic use. Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah, two out of every five. Okay. I have a surprise.

It's not really a surprise because you told me to look it up, but. Although it is a surprise because I've forgotten. You have the best speakers I've ever heard on it. Really? It's so loud. The traffic. The boss. Look that bathtub.

Calgon baths offens the water to leave skin. She's in a 6,000 gallon circular bathtub in Roman killers. I love it. Pamper yourself with a Calgon bath. Lose yourself in luxury. They were one sentence away from saying have an orgasm. It's kind of ding, ding, ding, ding. It's very ding, ding, ding.

They're promising that that Calgon can give you the experience you got in that man's apartment. Good luck, Calgon. Oh, no. You lost something. You lost the whole document. No, what happened? Well, I would imagine it'd die after the volume of the... All my tabs went away.

Oh. I don't think I have very many left, but... Did your Chrome crash? Sometimes if you reopen it, it says reopen tabs. I know, but it didn't. You guys both use Chrome? Yeah, you should use Chrome. It's good.

Fuck. Sign that you're a good employee. That's right. That's right. Was it Chrome, though? Yeah, because Safari comes default on Apple. Yeah, yeah. And Chrome you've got to add.

And Windows Explorer is the default? Browser. I don't know what Windows. Internet Explorer, I think, is discontinued now. I think Firefox, maybe. Oh, Firefox, yeah. That was the most best employee, wasn't it? FireVox?

No. You're really out on a limb. Chrome. Okay. I just like to integrate with Google. Everything right. Fuck, okay, I'll start using it. Just use it.

It's always begging me when I open Gmail to switch over. Do you think maybe you're not using it because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore? No. No, I don't. It's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple sweet of products.

Yeah. Safari's good. Safari's good. You know what's cool about Chrome. Tell me. I could pull up my history. Oh, well, you can do that on Safari. No, no.

You can. You can do that on AOL. No. That's OG shit right there. Definitely, it's Chrome. I'm just one to earmark out loud, but on a next fact check because this one's been so wonderfully good and long. Robust?

Yeah. But just on an earmark that I have a grievance to error. Oh, my. Got outrage you to them. So just speaking to that while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't in Formula One. Oh, what? Because they say regularly, like the Spanish driver,

because it's an international sport and all these guys are from different countries. Yeah. So they'll say like, Carlos signs like, oh, the Spanish driver is, you know, running. They'll refer to their nationality a lot. Oh, I see. But when they say the Mexican drive, because Perez is from Mexico. It just feels racist.

That's right. And the other one is Joe Granu. He's from China. And when they say the Chinese driver, especially if he's like he's spun out or something. And they'll say like, oh, the Chinese driver went wide. It's steeply racist. But it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationality.

But for some reason when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver. No, there's a reason. It's because in America, do that to those nationalities. Well, you just rarely hear someone saying this Mexican, it's never positive after someone. That's what I'm saying.

That's very American though. Always I'm like, oh, Chinese driver, why did they just say? It's good that you have that reaction. I like that. Okay, hold on. The history is not

going as well as I wanted it. You remembered it to be on Chrome. Maybe thinking of Safari. No. Okay. I found it. Okay. So the question is, is America's GDP?

Is the Wall Street? I'm sorry, I'm pretty jet lagged. Of course. Does it look like I'm getting frustrated? No, I'm frustrated with myself. Because I can't talk right now. What do you think about this reframing? I kind of like it.

I've heard that it's a good idea. I know you're aware of it. Instead of saying, I'm sorry, I blank, say, thanks for your patience. Oh, that's nice. Thanks for your patience. Yeah, no problem. You don't want me an apology. I don't know why that's a thing.

I just know intuitively I like it. Like, instead of coming in and going like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's, oh, my God, thank you for your patience. Right. Do you feel like it's taking less responsibility? A little. Hmm. Yeah.

A little. Because like I am sorry if I'm making mistakes. Well, you don't need to be because I'm not upset. I think it's for more mundane things that you're not supposed to over apologize because I've heard that too. Like this is a odd thing I would love to help Blinking get over. She says I'm sorry so much and drives me crazy because I'm like, you don't need to be sorry. She does say it as she almost says it. It's a default.

Yeah. Like when we're playing soccer and she doesn't kick it perfectly to me. I know. I'm like, baby, you don't need to be like this is part of. But do you know what she's doing. She's doing what I just did. She's saying I'm sorry to herself. And that's what I, in so many words, I said to her, it's okay for you to have a goal for yourself.

Yeah. That you might even want to say like, I know I can do better to yourself, but you don't owe me anything. Yeah. I don't have an expectation of you being perfect at passing a soccer ball 300 times. Right. So you don't owe me an apology because I had, there's been no unsaid contract that that's what I expect from you. Yeah. It's totally dependent on the scenario.

Yeah. I think it's courteous to say, I'm sorry if you've impacted somebody. Okay. The percentage of America's GDP that's Wall Street. Oh, finance. In 1970, the finance insurance industry is accounted for 4.2% of U.S. GDP, up from 2.8% in 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6. The story with profits is similar.

In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37%. Despite the after effects of the financial crisis. Wow. Yeah. So 30%. 37?

Wow. In 2013. Yeah. So it could be more. That's why people should be critical of the finance industry, but the notion that we should get rid of it or totally. Well, that's how this came up. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like it's naive. It is. You can't really talk about getting rid of. any industry that's 30% of our GDP without humongous colossal collapse of many systems in I know people's life yes I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all but I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work right right right no do I think we should be held hostage by any industry that's not what I'm saying I'm talking to the people that are like

dismantle wall street totally no private banking like this is a new I agree It's a big cornerstone of our overall economy. Yeah. And really, it's all England is now. They stop manufacturing. They have some luxury goods. They have burberry. That's a luxury good, yeah.

Burberry trench. Okay, that's all for today. Okay. Now you have it. We have an Easter egg for next fact check, which is always successful. Love you. Thank you for that great story. You're welcome.