Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard - Synced: Up There
Episode Date: May 22, 2024In this episode of Synced Monica and Liz deep dive into the ethics of napping in the overhead compartment, they talk about their mothers day emotions and they learn about a robot restaurant. The two... answer listener questions on crying during confrontation and whether you're obligated to split equal time at a significant others' house. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Hi! Hello! Are you in your airplane mode? Yeah, just got off the plane. So impressed.
I like your lipstick. Lip gloss ready Like gloss ready. Hello, Lip On.
It makes a big dip.
That's what they do say.
Okay, I was going to suggest that we do something special in this episode,
but I didn't suggest it in time, so we can't.
What is it?
But next time, I think we should do a roundup of our newest favorite things, like our recommendations.
Basically, a gift guide mid-year,
like a mid-year vocalized gift guide.
That's a good idea.
It's funny, because I was putting on some makeup
before I was coming, and I was like,
oh, I really should talk about this bronzer.
I've never brought it up.
It's one of my favorite things. It's great. Well, do you think we could do it off the flyer? Or no? Do you think we need to prep? makeup before I was coming and I was like, oh, I really should talk about this bronzer. I've never brought it up.
It's one of my favorite things.
It's great.
Well, do you think we could do it off the fly or no?
Do you think we need to prep?
I think we should prep.
Cause there also, it's just gonna be makeup again.
We'll forget stuff.
Yeah, I think it should be a well-balanced guide.
Okay, I love that.
Okay, so next week we're gonna do a roundup
of some of our favorite things,
a mid-year, a Christmas in May gift guide.
I love it.
Something came up the other day I saw in my house,
and I thought, I should put this on my gift guide in December,
but by then, I'll have new things.
It'll be too late.
Yeah, and it's fun to do a gift guide in the spring,
spring summertime.
How was your trip?
It was good.
I just got off the plane.
Yes, jet set. I dropped off my bag at home and I made a tea.
Because technically, according to this time,
I've been up since 2.30.
Oh, God.
You know, you must be so exhausted.
Well, so far, so good.
I'll crash in a bit, I'm sure.
But for now, fine.
And I went home for Mother's Day, which was very lovely.
You hung out with Alison Roman?
Oh, yes. I did Alison Roman? Oh yes, I did.
Alison Roman, my chef, my dream, my girl, my girly.
She has a podcast and she is touring it around a bit.
So she sent me an email asking if I would perhaps
participate in any of the shows, but no, we're in LA.
And it just so happened that her show in Atlanta
was over Mother's Day and so it was the right move.
Kill two birds with one stone.
There we go.
A phrase we said wrong.
We often use and say it wrong.
I say it wrong.
I think you have got it right.
Well.
I don't know.
Ha ha ha!
But anyway, so yes, it was so fun.
The show in Atlanta was so fun.
I was proud of my people.
There was a 10-year-old boy in the audience that was so cute.
And he... Because the way her show works is people submit questions
as they walk in if they want.
And then Allison goes through them really quickly
before she goes on stage and picks a few for people to come,
like, repeat their question in front of the audience
and then discuss it.
And then there's some just rapid fire ones.
But the one from the 10-year-old said,
I was listening to last week's episode.
Oh!
And I love him.
Oh.
We have 10-year-old listeners?
We don't.
She does.
Oh, I thought it synced.
I was like, we need to adjust the content.
No, no, no, no.
OK, that makes more sense.
This is her podcast.
I mean, if you're 10 and you're listening, let us know.
Shout out.
I don't think Jonah should listen to this one.
Okay.
It's a little inappropriate for him.
Is it?
Yeah.
It's not that inappropriate.
I mean, there are more inappropriate podcasts.
Well, sure, but that doesn't mean
we're not inappropriate for a 10-year-old.
Oh, sure.
If I had a 10-year-old,
I probably would not encourage them to listen to this.
But if they listen to SYNC,
like I would be concerned that they like it.
Wouldn't that be kind of like,
okay, there's something we should talk about?
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, got it.
That's what I'm saying.
I think it's not appropriate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For a 10-year-old.
Anyway, it was really, really cute.
And he was asking this cooking question
and it was really sweet.
Sweet, yeah.
How are you?
How was your weekend? How was your mother's day? It was great. this cooking question and it was really sweet. Sweet, yeah. How are you?
How was your weekend?
How was your Mother's Day?
It was great.
What'd you do?
I FaceTimed for, you know, five hours, because I'm not in the same country, but it was nice.
I sent everyone cupcakes.
It was my dad's birthday, also Mother's Day.
Oh, ooh, fighting.
Yeah, so it's always a big weekend.
And I was supposed to have a date with LinkedIn guy. But he had to reschedule.
Oh, because he stole my move?
I guess.
No, he had to help his mom move, which felt important.
That's sweet.
So we have a date this week.
Great.
Yeah.
Were you guys going to go fuck?
I didn't know it would happen.
It were.
Oh my god, I'm so happy it didn't happen on your pants.
You had a premonition.
I did. I knew it.
She was nervously. It wasn't so much a premonition. I did, I knew it. She was nervously...
It wasn't so much a premonition as it was just very hard to open that.
The way you just spilled it, it sounded like you said,
are you guys gonna... and then you said, fuck.
Oh, you guys gonna fuck?
Well, are you?
That's a good question.
What are you guys gonna do?
Well, we were supposed to go to All Time.
Very sexy spot.
Right. Because of the movie?
No, I don't think. I don't think any...
Are men watching the anime? Oh, he recommended All Time? No, I don't think. I don't think any. Our men watching the Adam Hathaway movie.
Oh, he recommended it all the time?
No, he said, I'll come to you.
I think after the Wes Adams, you know, situation.
Oh, situation.
The 50 minute drive.
Yeah. He was like, I'll come to you.
And I was like, well, then we have to go to All Time.
But then it turned into like, kind of now like an intimate.
He was like, oh, we could go for a hike or a sauna
because I got a sauna.
And now we're like going to hike or sauna because I got a sauna.
And now we're like gonna hike and sauna,
which feels like very...
Because it was part of our original conversation
was the sauna, so that's a nice callback.
I really like when on a second date,
it's a callback to the first date.
Oh, yeah.
That happened to me in December.
The second date was a callback to the first date,
and I really liked that.
What was the callback?
On the first day we talked about baked potatoes, of course, which I had over the weekend actually.
So proud of you.
And the second day we went to Houston's for baked potatoes.
Oh, I like that.
I like when there's a text after the date that references something you talked about
that you were gonna do.
In his text, he was like, have fun with the sauna,
like, because I told him I was setting it up.
For the listeners, you bought a sauna,
but not the kind that is a zip-up sleeping bag.
Yeah.
It's a tent or something?
It's like between a real sauna and one of those tent ones.
Because I was subscribing to this sauna place,
and it was like a membership fee.
I was like, at this point, I should just buy a sauna.
So I invested in a sauna.
It's outdoors?
It's outdoors.
And before that, I had a weird tent one,
which I gave to my task rabbit.
That's my grandfather in my task rabbit.
And dad, and doesn't speak English.
Doesn't speak English.
Oh my god.
Liz, I hope he doesn't mistake how. Doesn't speak English. Oh my God.
Liz, I hope he doesn't mistake how long to be in that sauna and shrivel into a peanut.
That's a good worry.
Worry.
But...
Not to invalidate you, but when he saw our little tent sauna, he showed us all these
photos to my roommate.
I was on a call or maybe here, but he was like showing his phone that he'd been in a
Russian, because he's Latvian or from Lithuania, I can't remember.
But one of the two.
And so he showed the photos of being so excited.
Because in Latvia or Lithuania, it's a big history of saunas.
We might need to Google that, but maybe I feel like there is.
Anyway, he's really into it.
And so then when he was assembling the sauna, my roommate was like, should we give him the sauna?
And I was like, right, like he loved it.
And so then we gave it to him.
He's so nice.
I have so many feelings.
I've never had this many feelings
for someone I can't communicate with.
It's really interesting.
Yeah, have you ever had that?
Well, with the little boy in India,
the little girl who said Dax.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't't say that wasn't so much
strong feelings as that's crazy that she just said that and then she's me
somehow. But I have had run-ins with people where they have an impact that is
outsized to our interaction. That's right. I don't know what that is. Maybe it is an
indication that we've met them before.
Mm.
I mean, I like that idea.
Do you realize that you've left an impact on people
that you don't even realize that you're that person to so many?
Positive and negative.
Probably.
Yeah.
We've talked about this, how when
we've had negative interactions, they can be debilitating,
and it can veer the course of your entire life off track.
And yet, if we're gonna be Buddhist about it,
we should really let all that go,
because we're doing that, and we have no idea.
I mean, is there anyone you know in your life
that you know you have had a negative,
like they sit with negative feelings towards you.
You're their villain.
I mean, for sure.
Definitely, sometimes I think,
someone I went on maybe three dates with,
but there were a lot of run-ins and I was like...
No, Liz, that's not fair to you.
No, because I know this story
and you didn't do anything wrong.
If that person thinks you're the villain, that is their issue.
You, like, went on multiple dates with this person,
and then ultimately it wasn't a good fit.
That's normal and fine.
But do you ever go through a thing,
and someone, you're like, oh, this person,
and they, like, ruin your life for a minute,
and then you find yourself in a situation many years later,
or, like, a while later, and you'll be like, oh, my God,
I just did the thing that this person had done to me. That you become sort of like...
It's hypocrisy.
I felt that a little bit with him where... But you're right. First I said, this isn't happening.
You know, I kind of, I think I made something up.
That's a problem.
Well, there we go. Yeah, sometimes I don't want to hurt the person, and so I'll be a little bit... Avoid not around it, not direct.
And when someone does that to me, it's so heartbreaking.
Yeah, it's so painful.
And I'm like, why wouldn't they just say it?
And I'm like, because I've been in that situation and I don't say it.
So it gives you compassion for the person that's ruining your life.
But I hate that feeling when I'm like, oh, I...
Well, but then you're reflecting on it.
I think it's healthy to think, fuck,
no one's doing anything that, like,
the person who's, quote, ruining your life,
you have decided that they've ruined your life.
They are just sort of moving through the world as they do.
And you're giving them a lot of power.
Ding, ding, ding.
Okay, so this past Monday's armchair is Camila Cabello.
Yay!
Who is your friend.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm not sure if you've listened yet, but you do come up.
Oh, sweet.
Well, you come up multiple times because obviously we mentioned it, you're friends.
And then I do bring you up and I wonder if you're gonna be upset or I wonder if you're
upset.
Oh, God. What did you do?
I don't think it was bad,
but I asked her,
it was pertinent to the conversation, what she was saying.
I asked her if she gives a lot of power to men.
Then we talked about that a little bit and she was like,
well, what do you mean exactly?
Can you elaborate?
I said, yes, I think she won't mind because we talk about it already.
I've said it many times on this show, I think.
So I said, you know, I say this to Liz all the time
because she's so great and wonderful
and has so much to offer.
But despite that, I think she hands
over a lot of power to men.
Anyway, so I said that, and I didn't check with you
because it just came out.
What did she say back?
She says she thinks she does do that a bit.
I mean, I think it would have been weird if you were both like, What did she say back? She says she thinks she does do that. OK. A bit.
I mean, I think it would have been weird if you were both like,
isn't it annoying when women give a lot of power to men?
Like, you didn't say it that way.
And again, I think it's a relatable,
I think a lot of women do.
Exactly.
Yeah, a lot of men do.
Give power to men.
Yeah, other men.
Of course.
We all give power to men.
We all give power to people.
But it definitely isn't like that's annoying.
It's when you're on the outside of something, you can see it.
And when you're on the inside, you can't.
No, you're right.
It's still something I'm working on.
I think I give a lot of power to other people, period.
I give a lot of power to people that I'm in relationships with.
Whether it's romantic, I think is, like, all of our relationships.
The most heightened.
The most, exactly.
But I think overall, do you ever feel like your therapist
is kind of over it
a little bit with your bullshit?
Like that she's saying the same thing over and over again?
Well, that's interesting because I have a friend
who just started going to couples therapy
and she loves her personal therapist a ton.
And then she went to couples therapy
and they really, really loved their couples therapist a lot. And she did one session solo with the couples
therapist. And after she said, I think I need to get a new personal therapist.
Like, this is teaching me that I think we've hit our limit. Because at some
point, you know, we've talked about this, OT's original therapist, they can know
you so well that it can almost be a hindrance
and they also can get protective of you
in a way that they kind of shouldn't.
Interesting.
They are also in a relationship with you.
And over time, if that's like a really, really long time
that you've been with that therapist,
they can't help but develop some sort of feeling about you.
And when they hear stories that are coming from you,
which, of course, are gonna be, like, very one-sided.
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unconditional kind of love.
Yes, and psychoanalysis, yes.
Okay.
From what I've heard, fill the blank, you know, unconditional parent or the unconditional
love that you're supposed to have for yourself actually actually. That a lot of people come into therapy,
I certainly came into therapy hating myself.
And so the goal of the therapist is to actually be
completely accepting of you and completely unconditional
in their support of you.
And that's kind of, again, sometimes they can feel like,
well, you're always taking my side,
but that's kind of the point.
Not for me and not in mine.
That you don't want to take your side? It's not sides. like, well, you're always taking my side. But that's kind of the point. Not for me and not in mine.
That you don't want to take your side?
It's not sides.
If I'm like, this happened.
I've never heard her say you're right about anything.
It's all about like how to arrange my thinking
so that I minimize the negative effects
of whatever's happening in my life.
But it's not like I hear your story and I side with you
or I'm providing unconditional love.
I mean, it is definitely like, it's compassionate,
it's support.
She's not there to validate my feelings.
She doesn't validate your feelings?
That's not the therapist for me.
But she's doing it, maybe not by saying,
I validate your feelings, but she is validating
your feelings by accepting the reality. You're right. Validating is maybe not by saying, I validate your feelings, but she is validating your feelings by accepting the reality.
You're right. Validating is maybe not the word.
She's validating my feelings,
as in understanding that they're real feelings,
but she's not cosigning on my feelings.
She's not like, what you feel is right,
and that is how you should feel, and like, you're the best.
I don't think that's what I'm saying either.
For me, and maybe again, this is my situation, but I would
invalidate my own experience a lot and would end up again in
relationships where so I think I would come to her and she would
be validating because I was kind of invalidating my own stuff.
But maybe that's just me.
Every therapist is also so different.
Right.
And you have different needs.
I mean, again, if you have a good therapist, they sort of see what you need.
Did you see the new, okay, there's like a Chad GPT update,
big conference, sort of like, you know, with the iPod,
iPad ones, they would happen once a year.
And here's a new product and like all the new evolution of it.
And I was watching it on my way here.
It's like Dan on crack.
What is it?
I mean, the thing I saw, I couldn't watch the whole thing,
but it was this guy, one of the people from Tadgy BT.
He's on stage and he's like,
hey, I'm doing a live conference right now
and I'm feeling really nervous.
And she goes, oh, wow, you're on a live conference right now?
That's cool.
And he's like, can you help me relax?
Or like, what should I do? I feel nervous.
And then she's like coaching him through like,
this breathing exercise.
Hand job.
We're one step away from that.
Oh, it's, oh, I saw it.
You saw it?
What?
No, the hand job, okay, sorry, I thought you...
I mean, it's gonna happen in like two and a half weeks.
That's what I'm saying.
We are so close from like actual her, the movie Her.
Yes, and I was at a dinner party
and someone told me that there's a restaurant in Pasadena
that's an AI restaurant that just opened.
No.
Where the robots make the food.
No.
They seat you and then like they bring you the food.
There's no humans.
There's only humans that come and like check on you, but since they're not cooking or seating
you, they're like relaxed and they're just there to have it like make sure you have a
good time.
Liz, what are you talking about?
We have to go. Wait, what do you mean Wait, what do you mean, they make the food?
Robots are making the food.
They do it.
Robots?
OK.
It's happened.
I heard.
From where did you hear this?
A very good source that's a hairdresser.
Oh, my god.
I'm seeing a CBS News article about it, too.
But what are the, the robots are making the food,
what kind of robot?
We don't have advanced enough robots to make food.
I think we do.
No, we don't. That's a whole thing we...
It's like fried food.
I mean, it's kind of...
Burgers.
Yeah, like McDonald's, don't they kind of have robots
doing stuff back there?
No. What?
That's like the whole thing is AI machine learning
is extremely advanced, but robot technology currently is not very advanced.
There's some basic robot, like the Roomba is like where we're at in a physical robot form,
or those like army ones. Hold on, let me look this up.
Okay, it's Cali Express by Flippy is the name of the restaurant.
Why is it so weird? Wagyu burgers and fries.
Cali Express by Flippy.
Well, we should definitely go see what this is all about.
I give it a reason for the price of traditional burgers.
What about me?
Burgers and fries.
The grill robot grinds the high quality beef in real time
after the order is placed,
resulting in a burger patty that melts in the mouth.
Flippy the famous robotic fry station
cooks up crispy hot fries made from top grade potatoes.
But who cuts the potatoes?
Like is the prep happening by humans
and then they're throwing it on the machine
and then the machine is that, That makes more sense to me.
They're not cutting potatoes yet.
I mean, aren't there machines? Like, you can cut potatoes.
You can, but someone has to then put the potato on the machine
for then it to slice and then take the slices and move, you know?
You need like a babysitter for the robot.
Exactly. You need like some human involved to operate the machinery,
would be my...
Well, yeah, I guess we should go and see.
So weird.
This is bad. People need jobs.
I think it's over though.
What's over?
Jobs.
Jobs. I'm just embracing the chaos.
Like a few weeks ago, I was like, oh, this is like...
It's 1968, but with robots.
Like we're just in it and actually trying to resist
the chaos makes it harder for me.
So now I've just been embracing it.
And so let's go eat French fries made by robots.
See what it's all about.
See what it's all about.
I mean, I prefer that they're doing that
than like writing movie scripts, manual labor, right?
That's the whole thing.
That's tricky.
Cause that removes a sector of jobs
of people who really don't have much money
and don't have a lot of college education.
Yeah.
Those people need jobs.
They should be running the AI.
That's probably only going to need one person.
I don't know.
This is obviously why it's all so complicated.
OK, well, we'll go there.
But I think they're going to turn to therapists.
Like, when I was watching that thing,
because remember how Dan was bad at the restaurant stuff?
He lied to us.
He lied and gaslit us.
But when I was one-on-one with him,
he was pretty supportive and, like,
helpful with mental health stuff.
I know, but it's so basic.
Like, everything he was saying was basic.
But isn't that kind of the whole thing?
Like, not that this can solve every mental health issue,
but so much of what makes life hard is you're just not maybe talking to someone
about something, right? Like, just talking about it and then having someone validate
your feelings can be enough sometimes. And AI, because you've been to a friend,
you've done this, right? Where you'll be like, okay, I should talk to someone about
this. And then you get out your house, you go meet a friend, and then they make it
worse. And you're like, this is why I should just keep someone about this. And then you get out of your house, you go meet a friend, and then they make it worse. Mm, sure, yeah.
And you're like,
this is why I should just keep everything to myself.
Like the AI could make it worse, sure,
but they're trained to kind of know.
Well, they're reading literature
that other therapists have put on the internet
and like psychology articles and stuff.
Like they're pulling from those resources.
I guess in a pinch, it's good,
but I don't think it's replacing human therapists
because our problems are so nuanced.
What I go to my therapist for,
if I talk to her about an issue I'm having
in one situation versus another situation
with different people and she knows the players
and she knows the types of relationships
and she knows the pitfalls of each relationship and the patterns.
It changes, right? It's not just,
well, this is how you should be in the world,
which is sort of how Dan is.
He's just giving like generic good advice on how to be,
but it's not taking into account that humans are confusing.
Yes. One thing that might be good for you to do for me,
that's not great.
That's not gonna work for you.
I mean, I don't want robots to take over.
I'm just-
You love robots.
I don't.
I just, I'm trying to cope.
Cause or else I'll just get overwhelmed and be like,
oh my God, the world is ending.
And I need to be like,
I'm trying to just go with the flow.
That's good.
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Oh my God, I just learned something when I was home. My mom learned to swim in college.
So her trauma is obviously passed down.
Wow.
So it's intergenerational.
When did her mom learn?
Probably never.
No, no, no, no.
She, her mom learned in India.
Like she would swim in, I know there was like stories,
they have a river or something and they would all swim in it.
But they didn't put their kids, my mom and her sisters,
in swimming lessons or anything.
But apparently in college, you had to pass a swim test
in college.
Wow. Oh my god.
Isn't that kind of crazy?
I did that.
It might have been elective, but I swam.
You took, like, a swimming class.
What is it called? Oh my God, I'm scuba diving.
In college?
I know. Or C-Jab, which is like our pre-college.
Oh, wow.
I know, very weird. Would you go straight to scuba diving?
No. I'm never scuba diving.
You're never scuba diving?
No, I've heard some stories that I wouldn't.
I'm, yeah, I'm never doing it.
Accidents?
Yeah. Yeah, that's not great. Yeah'm never doing it. Accidents? Yeah.
Yeah, that's not great.
Yeah.
Don't die.
It's really upsetting.
Anyway, also we've had a lot of armchair anonymous stories
that have to do with like scuba and they're all bad.
Okay.
So anywho, what I think people could hear
is I'm just afraid, right?
I'm just like, I'm afraid, so it's stopping me.
But I also don't want to.
There's absolutely nothing about it that draws me in
and then I'm scared, so I stop myself.
Like there are things in my life for sure
where that's the case, where I'm like kind of interested,
but it's too scary.
This is not, I just don't want to at all.
That's how I feel about driving.
It scares me and I don't wanna.
And so don't do it. I mean, I think we should learn
the basics in case there's an accident.
Do you think there's gonna be a scuba-related, like,
emergency?
Maybe, maybe there's a situation, you know?
A scuba... Yeah, like, look, you never know.
It's a crazy time to be alive. We can't rule things out.
Speaking of, okay, I want to bring up the airplane.
The overhead.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Okay, go ahead.
Because you just flew.
Yes.
And...
You texted me.
I texted you about a very controversial story that's been going around the internet
about a very controversial story that's been going around the internet about a woman
that was videotaped taking a nap
in the overhead compartment of an airplane.
It's insane.
In the overhead?
Yes.
How is that even possible?
Who helped her up there?
Also, they're not even that sturdy.
I mean, I guess it holds the bags.
Yeah, it holds the bags.
She's just a little lady.
I mean, she fits in there. You would fit in there.
Yeah, she'd fit in there.
I wouldn't.
What type of plane was it?
Southwest?
Southwest.
It's always Southwest.
It's always something going on in Southwest.
Okay.
So yeah, you sent this to me.
I'm going to read, I'm going to read verbatim the text.
Okay.
You sent it.
It's a New York Post article.
Southwest passengers baffled after a woman climbs into overhead bin for a nap.
And then you wrote, we need to discuss this.
And then I did, ha ha, ha ha ha.
And then you said, I think she has every right to do this.
And I said, what?
And then you said, I know I actually would support her.
And then I said, you're just trying to be a contrarian now. And then you laughed and
you said, I support women, her body, her choice. And then my dad picked me up from the airport.
I couldn't respond to this. Liz, be honest. Are you just being funny?
When I saw it, I was like, oh my God, this is so funny. But then I thought about it and I was like, go hurt.
Like, what does it matter?
I don't care.
But what if she falls on some, OK, for one, it's a danger.
It's a hazard.
It's a danger.
For who?
For, OK, she could fall on the aisle.
I mean, like.
No.
Someone's water bottle fell out onto me and it hurt bad.
Fell out?
Yes. It was open? She was putting it up. onto me and it hurt bad.
Fell out?
Yes.
It was open?
She was putting it up.
Oh, and it fell.
And it was open and it fell on my hand and it really hurt.
And that was a water bottle.
If a woman flies out onto you, that is disturbing and traumatic for one.
Two, I wonder, this is a deeper question.
And it's funny because I think I know this about you, but I guess I don't.
To me, the audacity to think that you can break a rule,
that everyone else is abiding.
Again, oh my god, it's like back to the running on the street.
I'm very driven by conscientiousness
and awareness of others.
And like deciding that your life is more important
than everyone else's or your convenience is more important
than everyone else's.
Prioritizing yourself in, like, a sea of other humans,
I can't stand.
So this is that times, like, 4,000.
I think you are more, as we're learning over time
on this show, on this little show of ours,
you don't care about that.
I do.
No, you don't.
You even said the sidewalk.
You were like, I think you should run around.
That's not coming from a place of thinking
people can break the rules.
I would never stand in the sidewalk.
It's that I don't want any inconvenience to other people.
That's a weird me thing.
I'd rather just go the long way
than have to like interact and be like, sorry,
and to like advocate for myself.
But I'm very on the same page as you on that.
I don't think that the napping in the overhead applies.
What if everyone napped in the overhead?
Is that fine?
I think if there's room in the overhead,
like if she's taking up the room
and people can't put their bags, then no.
But if it's free and there's space
and you wanna take a nappy nap, go for it.
But why does she get to do it?
She needs to sit in the seat like everyone fucking else
on Southwest and sleep like everyone else is napping.
Well, you can't nap, and this is a beef that I have
with the airline industry in general,
that they have middle seats. They shouldn't have metal seats.
I fly a lot and I fly not in the front of the plane.
It's a very uncomfortable experience,
and I think that that's like a fuck you to the system.
Well, Southwest, to be fair, I don't think has front of the plane.
Oh, they don't?
It's all the same.
It's all equal.
Yes, it's all equal.
And what you do get by paying more is you can enter the plane first
to pick your seat. But that's it.
Okay, I like that. I support that.
Yeah, so then everyone on that plane,
no one is in a better position than anyone else.
I feel like if it's a Delta flight and you're like,
well, there's first class people who are sleeping,
so why don't I get to sleep?
She can sleep. And she's older.
She didn't look that... Let me look.
She didn't look that old.
She doesn't? She looks like an old lady.
I thought it was an old lady.
I mean, it's a weird photo, because she's sitting in the...
She doesn't look that old.
Oh, okay.
Also, if she's old, she definitely shouldn't...
Like, it's such a hazard for her if she falls out.
All her bones will break. All her bones will break.
All her bones will break.
She's like 45, this woman.
That's not old, Liz.
OK, I thought she looked older than that.
I thought she was like 60 or like 57.
It is really hard to tell from this one picture.
I just think they should make flying more comfortable
for the price that they're charging,
and they really don't care.
And so to me, actions like this are like a little bit of a, well, we have no room or
cramped so there's room so we're going to take the room that we're paying for.
She's paying for the overhead.
She's paying the same amount everyone is paying, and no one else is getting to do that.
But do other people want to do it?
No, because I think most people are sane.
But I don't want, look, I guess my therapist would say this is my issue, not hers.
But if I am on that plane, I will not feel comfortable at all with a person.
Over you?
Over me, or even if I see it, like I'm'm gonna be perturbed that there's a person who might fall out at
any time or also is unhinged.
Do you think it's up to the government to, like...
I mean, you're a liberal, so my guess is yes, that you agree.
This is, like, like tangential but similar, that there are
regulatory bodies for a reason.
Because humans can get cattywampus, like can get crazy.
And so there's a reason there are rules and regulations to keep people in line a bit.
Sure.
Do you think that's important?
I do.
And just so it's clear, like, if someone takes off their socks on a plane, I can't...
I... It's...
That's a problem.
That's a problem.
Even though that doesn't affect you.
It's gross. See, I think that that is worse than sleeping in your room.
But why?
Because this woman is hiding in the... I'm not seeing her. She's just having an app.
Of course you're seeing her. What are you talking about?
She definitely didn't close it. You wouldn't be able to breathe.
And it's open in the picture.
Okay, I thought she would be closing it while it's going
so that she doesn't fall out. Okay, now I feel differently.
Because that's out and dangerous.
That's the difference?
Yeah, if it's closed and she's just napping,
like, who cares? Do your thing.
Well, who cares if someone's socks are off next to you?
That doesn't matter.
It's smelly, the visuals are disgusting.
It's not respectful.
It's like Kellyanne Conway without socks.
Remember that photo of her in the White House
and she's sitting on the White House couch
without her socks on?
I don't remember.
It's often white people.
Oh my God, Liz.
It's like a very entitled,
I'm just gonna do this thing,
even though it's not taking other people into consideration.
But there's literally no difference from that woman
who is also not taking anyone into consideration,
but also technically doesn't affect anyone.
I feel like it's more of a symbolic revolutionary act.
I think that's why I respect it more,
but I understand why people would be perturbed.
I wouldn't be like, get over it, this is okay.
I would just kind of be like, you go, girl.
Like, I would be kind of excited
that we're disrupting the industry.
Are you happy around crazies?
Do you get a little spike from it, like Dax does?
Probably.
I mean, I'm trying to think of like, who the last person.
Not crazy in a way that, like, I don't want to be
in close proximity with them often,
but it'll be kind of interesting for me.
Entertaining. You find it entertaining, yeah. This is probably a to be in close proximity with them often, but it'll be kind of interesting for me.
Entertaining.
You find it entertaining, yeah.
This is probably a 50-50, maybe less or more split, where a lot of people would find that
situation entertaining.
Right.
And a lot of people would find it disturbing.
Okay, you would be disturbed.
Yeah.
In general, I feel unsettled now and unsafe.
I don't find it funny or fun.
This person's not well, and I don't like the funny or fun. This person's not well and I don't
like the reminder that there are people who are unwell and are up there staring down at
us. Also, because you know what else I hate about it is now it's on the nice flight attendant
who is dealing with so much fucking bullshit all the time
to have to deal with this.
That is so fucked.
Like, no.
Okay, also though, on my way, there was a plane event.
Actually, I must've been so tired, I guess,
so I didn't put two and two together that you had sent me.
I had received that after I had endured my own plane event.
Oh, wow.
There was a person... This was the front of the plane.
Just to be candid.
So there was a person next to me, but I couldn't see him.
Like, there was a barrier, and he was making some loud noises.
And then sometimes he said, like, fuck, like, once or twice. And he was making some loud noises.
And then sometimes he said like, fuck, like once or twice.
And then I was like, does this person have Tourette's?
Probably.
And that's what I thought.
So I was like, okay, this is probably what this is.
And then we were starting to land and it happened again.
And the flight attendant came up and was like,
sir, are you okay?
And he was like, I actually couldn't hear what he said, but then she said, okay.
She was nice.
And she just said, watch the language.
And so then, you know, whatever we landed.
And of course, like, of course everyone, as soon as we got up, I didn't do this.
Cause I was like hyper word.
Don't make it don't like look. But of course everyone did.
I saw everyone's head just like immediately turn.
And I felt so bad.
And then I thought, what an impossible situation
for also the flight attendant though,
because there are kids on that flight.
And so I'm sure that's why she had to say that.
I mean, they should know how to deal.
I feel like watch the link.
No, they're not therapists.
These are flight attendants.
You learn how to deal with someone who's in a wheelchair or someone who is autistic, right?
I mean, it's just you're going to have all kinds of people on a plane. If he has Tourette's,
it's like not helpful to be told like don't.
It's not, but what like, what do you do?
You don't have to do anything. I mean, it's just that's what's happening.
It's like holding in a sneeze, telling them to not do something.
And then I guess this is a tricky, if someone doesn't have a disability and is doing that,
do you think they should be told to stop?
If someone's being disruptive on purpose, 100%,
and I guess that's what she was trying to figure out,
but a lot of people aren't trained.
But yeah, there was a guy at a coffee shop,
I would go to all the time in New York, who had Tourette's.
It would occur, and then at first you're like, what's going on? And you realize, like, oh.
And it's so, I don't know, I just feel for the person.
Me too.
It's like, me, normally, I don't want to draw attention
to myself when I walk in anywhere,
let alone over something that you can't control.
And yeah, people don't...
Your first inclination is not necessarily that it's that,
because a lot of us aren't exposed to it.
Billie Eilish has Tourette's.
Yeah, I know.
So it's good when people talk about it.
Yeah, it is. I it's good when people talk about it.
Yeah, it is.
I think it's a hard situation
because I can't ask a flight attendant
to know how to diagnose someone with Tourette's
versus someone who's just being disruptive.
Exactly.
I think you could, anyway, not diagnose,
but I think if you know how to recognize Tourette's,
which again, I think should just be part of, of us, should just know the difference, then you
can probably just deal with it in a better way.
But I wasn't there.
I don't know if it was that obvious.
Yeah, I don't know.
Anyway, it was sad.
All these things are just hard to navigate.
Life is hard to navigate for everyone.
Yeah.
Whether you're the person who's like supposed to quote, deal with a problem or if you're
the one in the position.
We all cause disturbances.
Everyone hates it, probably.
Right.
Well, some people probably don't.
Some people probably like it.
I think just having worked, again, when I was a lifeguard, people are so insane.
Anyone who has to deal with the public, you're amazing and doing God's work.
For real.
But sometimes those crazy situations,
again, I'm not saying that flight attendants
had a great time with her in bringing her down or whatever,
but sometimes those situations also make us laugh.
And then it's like, okay, this is so funny now.
As long as she's not being unruly and like, you know,
I hope that she climbed down and was...
Yes.
Nice of her.
Also, are we sure it's real?
It's probably not, but it doesn't matter.
We don't know what the situation was.
I know how long she'd been there,
but there was someone up, I mean, there's a video.
Yeah, life is, yeah.
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Okay, well, on that note, let's do some questions.
Okay.
Oh, that's an some questions. Okay. Oh, that's an interesting one.
Okay.
Let's do this one.
Why can't I have a real conversation without crying?
This is from Tasha.
Hi guys, looking forward to my Wednesday listens every week.
Why is it that if I have any sort of serious conversation
or the most minor confrontation,
I can do so without crying?
It's so beyond frustrating. I've never been good at confrontation
and I avoid it at all costs.
But when it's unavoidable like a small fight
or disagreement with a friend or talk with the boss
or just generally expressing my feelings in any form,
I cannot get through it without tears.
Is this just me?
It makes me feel like I can't be taken seriously
and that my points in a conversation aren't even valid
because I'm saying them through tears,
even when I don't feel the need to cry or be upset. Do either of you have any tools for this?"
This is a great question.
It's so good.
I have been there. We all land on this spectrum. Like, I have friends who are
100% you and literally just cannot not cry. And then I've also been in
situations where I'm trying to be direct and professional.
That's really hard when you're trying to be professional
and then, like, you can't not cry.
I always leave those situations and I do feel, I feel silly.
I'm like, everything I said just got thwarted by my tears
and I'm gonna be dismissed as this woman who can't be professional
or can't handle her emotions.
I don't really have... What is your advice?
I, like, I relate so much,
and, like, I have cried in so many settings
and professional ones where, like,
maybe I've told this story, but, like,
I had this crying event at work.
It was, I worked at a startup, a media startup,
and there was this contract negotiation,
and it was going back and forth,
and they just came back with something
that felt so hurtful to me.
And it was so bad that in that moment,
I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna have to leave this job.
And I got really sad and really hurt.
And so I ended up being like, can I just have a minute?
And I stood, walked to the corner of the room,
and then cried and started breathing more slowly
and bringing myself down from it.
Calm yourself down.
Yeah, calming myself from it.
And then I came back and I was like,
this is just a lot for me, and I'm just gonna,
if we can talk about this at another time,
that would be great.
And in the end, it made an impact.
It's not what I wanted.
I felt embarrassed.
I felt, oh my God, I can't control my emotions.
But usually, like, it does move people to act when they can see.
And sometimes I feel like in romantic relationships,
I've become so afraid to cry with people that I'm like,
I feel like I shouldn't be crying already.
Because sometimes you haven't been seeing someone for so long,
and then you're like,
oh my God, if I cry, this is so intense.
It's not like we've been married for three years.
It'll look like I care more about you than I do,
but maybe I do, right?
Like-
Yeah, it can be telling.
It's so telling.
Basically, yeah, your tears are revealing
what you might not wanna reveal,
but my tip is to take a break.
Whoever you're dealing with,
if you feel like you are on the verge of tears, just saying, I just want to be clear-headed when I have this conversation,
so I just need a few minutes, or can we talk about this tomorrow?
And then go cry it out.
I think an approach is to just be very open about it.
Like, hey, I know this looks ridiculous, but this is just how my body reacts in confrontation.
But we can continue.
You know, like, just sort of address it.
This is what I do. I cry a lot in confrontation.
Yes. Just being very open about it.
It's like the elephant in the room.
Okay, so a few weeks ago, I was trying not to cry,
but it was a situation where I was meeting this woman
that was helping us with the movie, and she watched it,
and she had these very specific notes,
and she clearly just had no, it was kind of great
because everyone that I've showed it to is a friend
or you know, it's like, it's great.
You know, but I'm like, but tell me how to make it better.
And she was not...
Sugarcoating.
No sugarcoating at all.
Doesn't really know me, but no, I produced it on the film.
And I was sitting with her and my two producers
and I was like, am I gonna cry?
And this wasn't a confrontation. And that's when I was like, this and my two producers, and I was like, am I gonna cry? And this wasn't a confrontation.
And that's when I was like, this would be so embarrassing.
Because it's like, I can't even take the criticism.
I can't even take this conversation,
and I look like I'm a kid.
So what'd you do?
I basically, what did I do?
You like held it in like a fart.
I do think it's easier to hold in cries than farts.
That is shocking.
I think so.
Not for me.
Wow. I mean, I Not for me. Wow.
I mean, I will say, the other day,
and this is an Easter egg, sort of,
we were doing a recording here.
Not me and you.
We were doing one for armchair.
Uh-huh.
And you farted?
No.
No, no, no, no.
It would have been too good.
No.
Too good to be true. No. It would have been too good. Too good to be true. No.
We had a guest and something came up.
I was already so emotional walking into the room.
I was just dealing with my own shit.
And then the conversation started and I was like, I'm gonna cry.
Like, I'm about to cry.
I was like, oh my God, do not cry right now.
Like, this is so inappropriate to cry right now.
You can't do it.
So then I just started drinking a lot of water.
Okay.
You can kind of distract yourself.
It's true.
It like half works.
It half works, but half is already, like, you're not in the, you know...
It's like, I've told you what I do.
I don't do it for... I might cry for crying. When I'm at the, you know, it's like, I've told you what I do. It's, I don't do it for, but I might try it for crying.
When I'm at the dentist or like something's really painful and I have to like sit through
it, I think about the notebook scene where they're dancing in the street.
Oh, you disassociate.
I disassociate.
Which is hard to do when you have to speak.
Yes, right.
Like that's the problem.
That's why in this case it was good because I just kind of stopped and then Dax was talking.
Sure.
So I didn't have to speak through what was happening,
because I bet I wouldn't have been able to.
So your stuff was coming up in the interview,
or there was a dynamic that was, like, making things worse?
No, I was already, like...
On the verge.
On the verge for, like, three days, you know?
And it was coming. And I was feeling so sensitive verge for like three days, you know? And it was coming.
And I was feeling so sensitive to the world.
And the beginning of the interview was about me.
And so I was like, I can't handle this.
It was silly.
Like we just were having this kind of funny banter
at the top, but I was in a place
where I could not handle anything.
Sometimes we are in that place.
I've just been like, what's going on with female hormones?
I, me too. How my period this week, I was like, couldn't work.
It's really bad.
What is, me too, maybe there's something...
Going on. I don't know.
But again, though, it's annoying to say it,
because I know that hormones obviously make everything
way more intense, but the thing is still real,
what's underneath it, and I feel like tears make it seem
like, oh, it's just hormones, it's not a big deal,
it's not a big thing, it's nothing, and that's not true.
Whatever you're crying about is still real,
and still means something to
you and needs to be excavated. Exactly. So yeah, the tears are, how did you phrase it?
They reveal. Yes. They reveal what's important. And you might just not have a
great poker face and that's fine. What I like to remember is I'm sensitive and
it's so annoying so much of the time and there's so many things that make it harder for me to exist.
But the flip side is there was a study I came across
that helped me understand it, which was sensitive kids, yes,
they feel sadness and anxiety more,
but they also feel joy and bliss more.
Yes, you feel the sadness and those negative,
quote-unquote, emotions really hard,
but I'm sure you also feel the positive emotions harder.
You're probably a water sign.
Yeah, and just embrace it.
Yeah.
I think you bring it up.
That's my...
I like yours a lot.
It's probably making you cry more to try not to.
To hold it in.
Exactly.
And hide it.
Actually, in one of my acting classes in college,
one of my professors said,
it's actually way more interesting
to see someone try not to cry than to cry.
Of course.
Than just like, oh, this is a sad scene, cry.
It's like, it's actually more interesting
to see someone try not to.
Yeah.
And I bet if you say it weirdly,
I bet it, like, you won't cry as much.
I think so too.
Or like, you'll be able to laugh about it.
Yes.
Hmm.
Crying.
When was the last time you cried?
Good question.
That was one of the first day questions.
I cried this weekend because I saw a TikTok
about a sister with cancer, and I like ruined me.
That's really, yeah.
I know.
But I cried a bit this, I had a little teary-eyed this morning.
My mother sent me a really cute text.
That's sweet.
When's the last time you cried?
Thursday. Oh, I that was the day. What was going on? Oh god, I mean
Should I talk about it? Well for one again, I just felt completely unregulated
I was like what is going on that I can't bounce back and then something happened that did
Really throw me. I don't think I can talk about the details on here,
but basically some event that had nothing to do with me,
but sort of did, just brought up so many feelings
of all my stuff, like not lovable,
validation that I'm not lovable,
or that people don't like me.
So that happened, and then that was a couple days before.
So it was just like, it was just building,
and then it broke, as it does.
But anyway, let's see.
Okay, I think a lot of people have this problem.
Hi, Liz and Monica, I always wake up on Wednesday mornings excited to hear the new episode. This is a dumb and easy Okay, I think a lot of people have this problem. Hi, Liz and Monica. I always wake up on Wednesday mornings
excited to hear the new episode.
This is a dumb and easy question, I think.
I've been with my boyfriend for about a year.
It started off casual, but now we are meeting family
and stuff and I love him a lot.
However, he's made the very reasonable request
to spend more time hanging out at his house.
To be fair, it's harder for me
because I have to bring my two dogs.
But he has opened his home to them and got them treats
so I can't even use that excuse anymore. I've worked hard to make my house
cute and comfortable and lit well and I want to be at my house all the time. I'm trying
to navigate how frequently we have to go to his house and I don't even know if I can say
anything. Okay, love you, bye."
Ooh.
I think so many people struggle with this and I would definitely struggle with this
because I like my space.
I do the opposite.
I don't want them at my house.
I just want to go to their house.
Really?
I know.
Even when you're in it in it?
Yeah.
Why?
I don't know.
I just feel better.
I mean, maybe because I've never been with someone
that their place was like very not nice, you know,
not comfortable.
But I like that my space is my space.
And like, I can go back to my things.
Interesting.
But I relate to like lighting. Maybe those are things you can talk about. What are the things
that are bothering you about his place that would make it more comfortable for you? He probably
would want to know. He got the treats.
Yeah, that's true. He's like, he's willing to make some changes.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you could maybe be like,
it's a little dark in here.
How would you feel about if we put a lamp in here
or something?
I think you could do that, but also some people just
like being in their home.
And that is hard because I do think the truth is you kind of
have to just compromise and know that being in this relationship means
you're gonna have to spend more time there than you'd like.
I have a friend who was in this situation
where her partner never wanted to come over to her house.
And she was like,
I shouldn't always have to be the one to go.
And I think that's right.
There becomes like a deeper thing.
Yeah, it's not even about the house.
Yes, there's an imbalance where one person's always giving
and the other person is not.
So unfortunately, I think you have to go there.
But again, I think you could say, I'm so annoying.
I'm such a homebody.
I really just like being at my house.
But of course, for you, I think it's only fair that I come over.
So how do you feel about maybe like we put a lamp or something over here?
Say what you like or get, if the sheets aren't comfortable.
I don't know. Sometimes boys like make it more comfy for you.
But like find out what would make it better for you.
I get the two dogs though, it's like a whole schlep.
It is. But...
But yes, especially if he's brought it up.
If no one brings it up, it can be fine.
But if he's brought it up, then...
That means he's feeling that there's an imbalance.
Yes, there's an emotional undertow to it.
So...
Yeah, I think sorry.
I'm on the downside of being in relationships
to go to people's houses.
Yeah, it's true.
Speaking of, how did...
So, you know, you said you spoke to your mom on Mother's Day
and your mom sent you a nice text today.
Did you have any feelings about Mother's Day?
Did anything, like, pop up for you?
Yeah, no, I'm like...
Yeah, I mean, it's hard not to.
So intense.
And even her text, this is gonna sound weird,
but it was so nice, and I was like,
does she think she's gonna die soon?
Like, I know, that's where my mind goes.
I'm like, oh, she's like writing these texts
because, like, she doesn't know how much time she has left.
But is she sick?
No, I'm just constantly thinking my parents are gonna die.
I know, same.
Why?
Is this an immigrant parent thing?
I don't know.
Someone needs to tell us.
Do other people feel this way?
Because it's constant.
I know.
When I'm with them, it's times a hundred.
I know.
I'll come back from seeing them, I'm sick.
I feel like there's like a physical toll.
My sister doesn't have that.
Because my sister sees them all the time, so she doesn't even really, obviously,
she's seeing that they're aging.
But we, like, when you see a parent at the airport,
and you're like, oh my god, they look so much older
than last time, I'm not OK for like a few days.
Just off of that.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
So that's what it was bringing up, age.
But did it bring up anything fertility-wise?
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
I'll get that around Christmas or my birthday
or Valentine, like things that are more couple-y.
But Mother's Day, no, interestingly, do you?
Yeah, I have now for, I guess, the past couple years.
Mother's Day feels different now.
It like hurts a little bit more.
But in a weird way, because I still
don't, you know, I still don't know what I want. But it's just a reminder that I don't
have. It's a marker. You don't have this. That's okay. It doesn't mean necessarily you
need it. But it is something you don't have. And this is shining a light on that.
Do you think that people who don't want kids feel that way? Do you think that the fact
that you feel that way on Mother's Day
is like a sign that you may want kids?
I don't know.
We'd have to ask Chelsea Handler.
She's the only one I know that's like, well, no, she's not.
I actually know multiple people who are just like,
we're not doing that.
But yeah, I think because I don't know,
there's an added element where it's like nebulous.
I can't say either way like, I'm so sad that I don't have them,
or I feel great that I don't have them.
It's more like, oh, gosh.
I don't know if I'll ever celebrate this in a way
that other people are celebrating it.
Like, I wonder.
It causes some anxiety a little bit.
But yeah, I definitely think about it on Mother's Day.
Do you think that the person you're dating someone
and they have a stance on it, it'll affect your decision?
That's a good question.
Probably.
If I'm in love with someone and they say,
I really want kids, that feels easy to me.
But if they say I really don't, that actually feels hard.
Hard, right?
Yeah.
Both feel hard to me.
I was on a date last night.
He also doesn't know, and I was like,
what do I want to hear?
And I was like, oh, both would scare me.
I think I really need to have kids so that...
Because then I'd be like, oh my God,
if I want to be with this person forever,
I would need to have kids.
But also, I don't want kids is also scary.
Because then it's like, oh, then that's...
That I'm not having that.
It's so funny.
It is.
Of all the generations, I think we're the one that knows the least.
Other generations seem to have just known, like, do they want or do they not?
And there wasn't really a choice a long time ago,
but I've never known this many people who actually don't know.
Yeah, that's true.
Okay, let's see, what time are we at?
Oh, we're at time.
But we have other great questions next.
We have a porn question for next week.
Oh, God.
How do I decenter men from my life?
That's huge. That's for next week, too.
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