Artie Lange's Podcast Channel - 22 - OJ ANDERSON

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Leading up to the big game, Artie Lange and Mike Bocchetti interview former New York Giant and Super Bowl MVP OJ Anderson!  Presented by TheComicsGym.com  Thanks to MyBookie.ag - If you're going to wager this weekend go to bit.ly/MYB-Artie and use code Artie to get a 50% signup bonus. Thanks to Blue Chew. Go to BlueChew.com and get your first shipment FREE (just pay $5 shipping) when you use the promo code ARTIE”.  Thanks to Tommy John Underwear.  Visit www.TommyJohn.com/Artie for 20% off your next order of the most comfortable underwear ever!

Hey, it's Arnie Lacks, Halfway House. My guest host tonight, I'm kidding, my permanent host. Oh, you're a fucking idiot. I was trying to, did you worry about it? Yeah, I was scared because I'm like. Yeah, it's not working out. You know what happens in this business? We need something, we're going with sex here.

No, but the thing, well, you can get anybody you want real in that case. I doubt that. My co-host, Mike Bocchetti. What's up, Mike? No, the thing is, like, in this business, you never know. You could be sitting here one day and gone tomorrow. Who knows? Well, let's hope that happens.

We're working on it. My guest today is, you know, one of my favorite people. And, you know, a storied NFL career. I just roasted him about a couple weeks ago. Yeah, you sure did. Member of the 1990 Giants, Super Bowl champ, and just a good man, O.J. Anderson. What's up, buddy? Hey, O.J., welcome. How you doing? How you guys doing? Thank you for having me. Yeah. Wait a good man, O.J. Anderson. What's up, buddy? Hey, O.J., welcome.

How you doing? How you guys doing? Thank you for having me. Wait a minute. Before I get started, I got to just say this. My business partner, Mark Goldberg, who introduced me to the best company in the world, Veritex. And, you know, he wanted to make sure I say hello to him. And the fact that, you know, Mark has got me a lot of business. That's good. Since I retired from football.

And he and I have just been involved with a lot of things. We work for a company called Metro Exhibits. And then we got a new company called Tridelics. Wow. Which is about to hit the market pretty soon with some very unique three-dimensional shadow box type artwork. Oh, okay. Well, Lawrence Taylor's involved in that too. Yeah, Lawrence is always good to know Jewish guys, right?

Yeah, but that's why I got one of my guys. Me, too. I need one myself. Yeah, you got to go from a guy like Belichick and then to a Goldberg. I know. That's good, though. I told people one time at my golf event, which he also was involved with, and he helped start it up, and they're giving out awards and stuff.

I said, I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to tell you one thing. If you want to be successful, you need one of them on your team. And I said, that was Mark. No, no, it's totally. Absolutely. Mike has had all non-Jewish people on his team. I got to get some Jewish people on my corner. He's in the business for 35 years.

He looks homeless. That's why. Wow. So what? I was going to say, did you enjoy? I mean, you know, you got homeless. That's why. So what? Now, did you enjoy? I was going to say, did you enjoy? I mean, you know, you got up there at the end. First of all, an all-star lineup showed up for you.

Well, you headlined the all-star lineup. Yeah, I did. I headlined for the comedians. But, you know, I always say to myself, you know, I always feel like less of a person or less of a man around athletes because, you know, you can do what we do on a certain night. Like, we roast people. We're comedians.

Right. You know, but, you know, here's amazing football players who are going to try comedy tonight. I could never have done a guest, like, you know, running back stint. Yeah, you're right. What you guys do is impressive. So does it annoy you to do events like that or do you like doing it? Well, I do. And obviously

Howard Cross does as well. He did a very good job. You know what? When you get a chance to hang out with your friends and work their cars, you don't mind doing it. And if it comes down to you having to be somewhat funny, we all think we're funny. We all think we're comedians.

We all think we can sing. It's not just like an event where you perform. A roast is, believe me, I've done all sorts of comedy. Stand-up everywhere, corporate events, which are pressure. A roast is a lot of pressure, man. Especially if you're being roasted, because no matter who's there,

like you say, I'm a professional comic. I've done it before I was able to close, but you still gotta follow the comedian, because you go last. Yeah, and you know. Well, you have to kind of listen to what everybody said about you. Right, right. Which is, I mean, I've been roasted before on Howard Sturgeon. You find out a lot about yourself.

Yeah, you do. Like, what you can take. Well, that's what I was afraid of when I had guys out there, especially your teammates, who you've been in a locker room with, and that's a lot that could be said and done. You know, and, you know, Lawrence didn't say a whole lot, which I appreciate. Well with, and that's a lot that could be said and done. Yeah. You know, and, you know, Lawrence didn't say a whole lot, which I appreciate.

Well, again, that's a, yeah, right. But think about it for a second. You know, if he opened up Pandora's box, he opened up for himself as well. That's what I mean. Oh, yeah. The roast was very, does your turn come on him?

Yeah, you know what? What did the comedian tell you? The man with the mic has the last word. Right, yeah. The man who asked mic has the last word. Right. The man who asked who laughs with the mic. Right. So whatever they said about me, I had the last rebuttal. And you could just stand there and make notes.

Exactly. Mental notes and stuff like that. And take in who let you have it and just annihilate them. Well, what I noticed about Lawrence was, and again, this ferocious guy in the field, he got up there and he was mostly just sentimental. I know, right? Yeah, he was like almost crying. It's great to be here.

The charity. I love this guy. He started almost being up, you know. But, you know, I noticed you two had a good rapport with that, too, because I noticed you made fun a lot of the fact that you're a very dark-skinned man. We do. We do. I ain't gonna lie about it. I tell people all the time, when you take a picture with me and you don't have dark-skinned man. We do. We do. I ain't no liar about it. I tell people all the time,

when you take a picture with me and you don't have a flash, good luck. And you and Taylor go at each other about that. Well, we have a thing. See, for instance, I believe I'm 11-59.

He's 12. Well, you said, when you came in, you said he was in the dark. You said it looked like a hat was sitting there. Oh, no, no. Well, he says that, but see, he said he was in the dark. You said it looked like a hat was sitting there. Oh, no. Yeah, well, he says that, but see, he got mad one, not mad, but one time we were talking

and he said, you know what? You're the darkest man in the world. I said, well, you better hope I don't die. Is that what it was? Well, I think I said you look like Patrick Ewing's taint. But see, that opened the door for me. I said you were comfortable with that, but then you never know if you're not a friend.

For the comedian, it's hard, dude, because you've got all these guys who are football players. If you get them mad, people are drinking, you might get your ass kicked. But in the black community, is that a thing, like the dark skin, light skin thing? Do you guys make fun of that? Well, I mean, you know, it's not as bad as it once was. Back in the day, I would say it was,

but years have changed, but we have fun with it. You know, the day, I would say it was. But years have changed. But we have fun with it. You know, you get me and Lawrence and Pepper Johnson and Stephen Baker together and my other partner, Gene Tolliver. We get together and we start looking at each other and start saying, who's the darkest, you know? And we start ranking it from, you know. Do light-skinned guys act arrogant?

Do light-skinned guys act arrogant? No, I can't say they do. But, you know, I mean, you know,skinned guys like that? No, I can't say they do, but, you know. I mean, you know, if you go back to slavery day, they were the ones inside the house. I actually allowed that. We were field hands. Yeah, there's a couple of guys that Thomas Jefferson might be in there.

That is a very, that's an odd thing to see. But, again, so it must be great. What I love, and I told Lawrence this when he was here, I love to see, because I'm such a fucking huge Giant fan, I love to see how you guys all love each other. Like you really genuinely, because a lot of times, I don't know, sometimes you get, you're with people all the time it takes to play

an entire football season. You might hate them. But it's nice to see that you like these guys. Well, again, guys that you go to battle with. It is a war. Yeah. And he's best of the best. So if he's your friend, he's somebody you want to be your friend.

Because if you ever get in a situation, he's there to help you out. Yeah, but, okay, he is great. But, again, another thing that Taylor pointed out when he roasted you was how underrated you are as far as – I mean, dude, you were a powerhouse with the Cardinals. Yeah. I remember how – I mean, you were a dominant back with the Cardinals. And when the Giants got you, that was like that.

And Taylor said, too, that's a no-brainer. And, like, you're not in the Hall of Fame. To me, you're a Hall of Fame running back. Help me out with this, okay? America, you listening? At the Hall of Fame. To me, you're a Hall of Fame running back. Help me out with this, okay? America, you listening? At least Jersey's listening. Yeah, Jersey, listen to this. I was Rookie of the Year with 1,600 yards as a rookie.

1,600 yards. First time a running back ever had that for his opening debut, 1,600 yards. My first game was 193 against the Dallas Cowboys. Back in the day when they had the flex. They had two tall. Harvey Martin, Randy Whiten, and all those guys. And I'm guessing the Cardinals offensive line wasn't the best. Well, the offensive line at the time was all pro bowlers.

Dan Deardorff. Oh, okay. Oh, that's right. Deardorff was still there. Yeah. Jim Hart. Okay. Man, great.

So I got there when those guys were still somewhat in their prime. But your first game in the NFL, 193 yards. First game. And actually, it should have been 200. And that's just rushing. That's just not receiving, just straight out flat getting it up. Wow. And then I finished the season.

I finished the season with 1,605 yards. I lost five yards to Walter Payton, the late Walter Payton, for the Russian title. Who was a veteran at the time and as good as it gets. I mean, he was the guy. And then the guy who won the overall Russian title was Earl Campbell. He had 1,800. Yeah, he had that year that was insane. He had 18.

Walter had 1610. I had 1605. I voted to the Pro Bowler as a starter. Wow. At 16, five, I voted to the Pro Bowler as a starter. Wow. And then later on, for the next three years, I averaged 1,000 yards a season. 81, 82, we had a strike where I didn't do it. 83, 84 was over 1,000 yards.

85, I got injured. 86, I got traded. 87, we have another strike. Oh, no. 88, I played short yards and goal lines for the Giants. 89, I became a starter, went over 1,000 yards and became a member of the 10,000-yard club. 90, I played behind Rodney Hampton.

90 season, I came in late, went into also also in 89, I was voted Comeback Player of the Year. Wow. God bless you. And then in 90, I went into backup behind Rodney. And then Super Bowl XXV, which was 91, it was played in Tampa, Florida. I was the featured running back. I predicted this out of University of Miami.

As a rookie coming out of college, I said, if I played in the Super Bowl and was in the state of Florida and I was a featured running back, I would win MVP. In 89, it was at Joe Robbie Stadium, just like it is this time. In Miami. It was at Joe Robbie Stadium. We got beat by Flipper Anderson in the playoff game.

That's right. And that was it. And then the next year, it was in Tampa. I was sitting at my stool, tears in my eyes, and I said, you know, Maurice Carthorne was my friend. I said, Maurice, you know know I predicted that if I played in the Super Bowl I was in the state of Florida

I was the featured running back I win MVP he said and I said I guess that dream is over with he said

no not necessarily I said why he said because he said the next Super Bowl is in Tampa, Florida I said we are going wow

oh so in that playoff game in 89 Flipper Anderson it's the walk-off touchdown pass walk-off touchdown pass with the Rams yes and so that would have been down in 89, Flipper Anderson, it's the walk-off touchdown pass. Walk-off touchdown pass, yes. With the Rams. Yes.

And so that would have been down to Joe Robbie. Yeah, Joe Robbie, which I was a future running back. Right. Here's my story, you know, my prediction and everything. But the following year, which I thought that would never happen because Rodney Heffner came in and he was a first-round draft pick. Another great running back. And he did a great job. He did a great job for us.

So I didn't think I would play. He'd get hurt in the playoff game. He got hurt in the playoff game. I'd go out with my practice pants, which is the story everybody talks about for many, many generations. I'm the only player that played a Super Bowl in practice pants and was fine every game I played. Don't have it on.

But then I finished my career with 10,173 yards, 86 touchdowns. Dope. Look who's in the Hall of Fame. Look at their stats. Tell me, am I missing something? It's almost as if there's some sort of fix in, dude. With those stats, it's not only did you play a great Super Bowl, you played a perfect Super Bowl.

And out of that, I played in the NFC East. You're talking about Philly, Washington, Dallas. And then you had us as the Cardinals. You had five teams back in the day that was with Joe Gibbs, Coach Vermeule, who was it back there?

Jimmy Johnson. At the Cowboys, right. It was Hank Scram. The Derby Hat Man.boys, right, yeah. It was Hank Scram. Not Hank. The Derby Head Man. Oh, oh, oh. Tom Landry. Tom Landry was still there.

Tom Landry was still there. Talk about a legend. Yeah. It's so unfair. It's like, it's like, it feels like actors not getting an Academy Award. Kind of like that in a way. Oh, it's not like that pussy shit. This is real shit.

No, let me tell you something. Just because Oscars are voted on. What a horrible thing. No, no, no. Oscars are voted on. This is fucking. Let me say shit. Just because Oscars are, what a horrible thing. No, no, no. Oscars are voted on. This is fucking. Let me say one thing, right? Go ahead, Mike.

This is stats. Political. That's right, man. Oh, political. What would the political politics be? What do they have against you? You're like the nicest guy.

This is what I believe. I believe that, you gotta remember, I played in three decades. I played in the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s. I think the people who saw me play in the 70s, they did. Let me ask you this.

Let me ask you this. How many guys, I would love to put this in the fucking, you know, some computer. How many guys have a rookie of the year, okay, 10,000 yards, and a Super Bowl MVP, and are not in the fucking Hall of Fame. I guarantee you might be the only guy with that trilogy. I think I am. And there's a lot of people with a lot less in the Hall of Fame. Absolutely. Listen.

Is it because your name is O.J. and the other Joe is O.J. The captain of two people. I changed it to O.J.'s answer if I could get me in the Hall of Fame. Now, is that why you did that? No, it started really in grade school. When you was in school, you know you had to write your name on the right side of the paper, your full name and your class. Your middle name is Jerome.

Jerome. So you had to write the date and what class and what subject was in that class. So I used to do all of that back in the day. Kids have no idea about that. They don't know how to do that. So we had to do that. So one day, I decided to shorten the name. Instead of writing Otis Jerome Adams, I went O.J. Anderson. And the teachers never said anything. And I just ran with it after that. So one day, I decided to shorten the name. Instead of writing Otis Jerome Adams, I went O.J. Anderson.

And the teachers never said anything. And I just ran with it after that. And then later on, as I was playing high school football, O.J. Simpson was in college. That's what I'm saying. He started making a name for himself. And my O.J. stuck with me because it was something I started in grade school.

And the minute I got to Miami in 75, I got to Miami. My quarterback at the time, Frank Glover, I walked in. He was a sophomore, I believe. And he said to me, so you the new juice. That's the first thing he said. And from that moment on, everybody on Miami started calling me O.J.

And it went on and went on and on. So you chose O.J. before O.J. Simpson was a celebrity? Before O.J. became the man that he was. Oh, wow. The double murderer. I'm not sure. Do you think O.J. killed him? You saw how I just completely froze on that one.

Because Lawrence Taylor was definitive. He says, no, you don't think O.J. killed him. You know what? I mean, for somebody to do that to somebody you once loved and— Well, that's the thing. It turns into hate. I mean, I'm going to say, you've got to really, really have some real, real hate among— Oh, yeah.

You know? Yeah. I don't know if anybody can—well, there are obviously people that can hate somebody like that, but you know what? The jury's still out. He was acquitted. So you think someone else that hated her put her blood in his car? Somebody that hated him, you're trying to say?

Yeah, no, could be. Listen, you know, we'll never know. Some things you just would never know, and that's one of the situations you just never know. They found him innocent, and that's all we all know. When you came into the league, did OJ sort of, you know, reach out

to you and say, we have the same name? And like, he was a broadcaster at the time. Well, you know what? His coach, Lou Saban, who coached him at Buffalo, was my coach in Miami. He wanted us to get together when I was a junior. And then my senior year, he wanted us to get together, but we never did. But, when

I turned pro, and we played the San Francisco 49ers, he was on the 49ers. That's right. That's actually the end of his career. And he and I met, and it was a big old thing in the St. Louis Cardinals dispatch. It says, O.J. meets O.J. And I have a picture of he and I together. I'm standing eye to eye because he's about 6'2", and I'm 6'2 1⁄2".

He's 6'2 1⁄2", 6'3". But we were eye to eye, and we were looking at each other. And I'll never forget what he did tell me. He said, no matter what anyone say about your owner, you befriend your owner. Right. He knew how to work it, O.J. Yes, he did. He was light-skinned.

Yes, he did. He wasn't in the field. No, no, no. O.J. is in the field, guys. He wasn't in the field. No, no, no. OJ's in the field. He wasn't in the field. No, I'm saying OJ, he did. That is what's so crazy about what ended up becoming of his life, whether you think he did it or not, because he did do time

and all this other shit, lost the civil case, and became kind of a pariah. He was the most loved and accepted by all people. Yes, yes. He was America's dream. If there ever was an athlete that took the market and really benefited from it, he was the one. I mean, you know, run, O.J., run through the airport. And the Naked Gun movies, he was an actor.

And he made movies with some of the greatest actresses in the industry at the time. Do you think the devil is in that white pussy? Do you think it is? I mean, what do you think? It's hurt Mike. It's hurt Mike's career. The devil's in all of them. He's a load of...

I'm not taking sides. You know what the great Richard Pryor said? The devil don't discriminate. Here's what the great Richard Pryor said. I don't know why bitches always complain. They got half the money and all't discriminate. No, no, the devil really doesn't. Here's what the great Richard Pryor said. I don't know why bitches always complain. They got half the money and all the pussy. No, Richard was right. Believe me.

That's Socrates. Well, you know what? That is what Socrates would have said. Here's my point, dude, about, you know, we're fucking around here. But the point about you in the Hall of Fame is, as a giant fan and getting to know you, because I love you, you're a real nice guy. I mean, you really are. You're a good-hearted guy. You're smart.

You're fucking funny. You've got a great sense of humor. You do charity work. And I'm a giant fan, so I'm biased. And I never got in trouble. Exactly. You ever see you next to a knife of the waiter in your wife? Oh, fuck. You'd hire someone else to do that.

But what I'm saying is this. I'm too old to do time. Yeah, please. Believe me, I was too until I went to time recently. I'm starting to think of it, again, the 10,000 yards, the rookie of the year, the Super Bowl MVP. And here's what was amazing about that Super Bowl as a Giant fan, to watch that. People forget the juggernaut that was the Bills' offense that year. They won in the Raiders.

They beat the Raiders in the AFC Championship game 51-3. Oh, 51. I'm a gambler, so I remember all the scores. I really do. You guys beat the Niners 15-13. That's right. Not one touchdown in the whole game. All field goals.

You know, and so now here's what Parcells and Belichick and all the guys there. And Ron Ehart. And Ron, yeah, figure out. That's right. An amazing staff. What they figure out is here's how you beat them. You hold the ball. Yes.

You hold the ball. How do you fucking hold the ball? The running game. Yes. So in the second quarter, you guys are down because of whether you got a safety. Mm-hmm. You go into the second half. We hit the field goal right before the halftime.

Exactly. So it was 12-10. Okay. So who gets nominated to hold that ball the whole time? You held the ball for 10 minutes in the second quarter. The third quarter. You come out. It's the third quarter. You come out and you, it's the third quarter.

You come out and you're going to go, we got to keep the offense off the field. Yes. And you are the workhorse, dude. Yes. And you just run. Just shove it down the throat. 22, was it 22, 24 carries, 102 yards. Wow.

Yeah, 102 yards. Wow. I mean, that is like, that's the game. Because look, as good as your D was, Thurman Thomas was moving the ball, man. Yes, he was. He was. I mean, he had over 160-some yards rushing. The clock ran out.

The whole game is one. Yes. And you guys holding the ball in the third quarter. And you know what? Keep Jim Kelly off the fucking field. We decided that Sunday, no, Saturday night. Right. Well, Coach, Ron Atthart and myself, Parcells, we was in a meeting.

Hart was the running backs guy or the offense? He was the coordinator. He was the offensive coordinator. Yeah, Coach Elhart was. So Coach Elhart sat down with me and he said, okay, kid, he said, what plays do you want to run? What plays do you like running? I said, Coach, keep me between the tackles. That's right. Don't send me outside. Because the clock's got to keep moving. I said, what plays do you want to run? What plays do you like running? I said, coach, keep me between the tackles.

That's right. Don't send me outside. Because the clock's got to keep moving. I said, yeah. So our game plan was to run what place we call ride 34, ride 35. That's all I ran, 34, 35. And he said, well, and Parcells said, well, you know, we got to go wide every once in a while just to keep them honest.

Right. And that's one play where I turned the corner and I hit Mark Kessel with this uppercut. Yeah, you got that famous play. Yeah, yeah. So that was... That uppercut stiff arm. Yeah, that was the only two plays I went wide on

was that play and one other play down by the goal line that we ended up kicking a field goal on. That's right. You won't remember this because you're not a degenerate gambler. I am. You guys were eight and a half point underdogs. No, were we really?

You're eight and a half point... Which in the Super Bowl is a lot. Yes. You know, and again, going down, so you made the prediction in Florida. Yeah. Feature back. Yeah. Feature running back, yes.

I mean, that's got to feel, in your professional career, that's the pinnacle, right? Yeah. I mean, there's rookie of the year. Yeah. I mean, but that, I mean, how do you find out you're the MVP? Did you do the whole thing, I'm going to Disney World? Well, at the time, they gave us a choice, because you remember we had the Gulf War going on.

Oh, that's right. That's right. So you could say, I dedicate the win to the troops, or you say, I can go to Disney. But that's right after the game on live TV. So how do you find that? Who tells you you're the MVP? And now there's a camera. That happens like 30 seconds after the game ends, right?

Well, that's what they do. I'm going to give you an insight on it. So Disney met with us on, I think it was Saturday night or Sunday morning, one or the other. They picked five guys that would impact players on both teams. For us, it was me, Lawrence, Jeff Hostetler, Bavaro, and Leonard Marshall. So the guys they think may be the MVP. May be, yeah.

Best odds would be. And then they went over and had Thurman, Bruce Smith, Andre Reid, Jim Kelly. And had a lot of weapons. Yeah, and maybe James Lofton. Those five guys that they had. So they sat down with us. They said, listen, if any one of you guys,

they talked to us individually, if any one of you guys were to win the MVP, you could say I dedicate the wins to the MVP, you could say, I dedicate the wins to the troops, or you can say, I'm going to Disney. It's your call, your options. Right. But what would you want to say? Because if you win it, we're going to come and have you to announce it.

It's in your face. It's live. And have you announce it, whatever you said. Right. So I said, if I win, I want to dedicate the win to the troops, you know? I'm the only one that ever said anything different. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Good for you. Yeah. Good for you. Yeah, yeah. Good for you. So that's another reason why I should be in the whole... No. You're a minimum guy. And probably one of the main reasons

why I really, really, out of all that been said, I had Freaky Whitney Houston singing the National Anthem. Oh, that's right. And that was the best National Anthem of all time. Ever.

Ever, yeah. Ever. So those are right by us. Just put me in Hall of Fame. No, I mean, again, so again, you're a lighthearted guy. But not only, look, that could also mean money for you, too, Hall of Fame. You put that on your name. On my resume, yeah.

Absolutely. I mean, that's not bad. You don't seem, I mean, you know, you're joking about it, but you don't seem, like, I'm more pissed off than you are. Well, a lot of my friends are pissed off for me, too, just like you are. Yeah, which is good. We've got a rally for you. We'll get a rally. Oh, I appreciate that pissed off than you are, I think. Well, a lot of my friends are pissed off for me, too, just like you are. Yeah, which is good. We've got a rally for you. We'll get a rally.

Oh, I appreciate that. But you know what? I just figured sooner or later they'll figure it out. I thought maybe this year might have been good because they had this exception a year where they added more people the first time. Right, right, right. And I saw some of the selections that went in, and, you know, you can't argue that.

I found out that Drew Pearson for the Cowboys, he didn't make it again, and he's been close every year. I would have guaranteed it. It took Harry Carson a long time to get in. He should have been a first-time ballot. Maybe they're anti-Giant. You know what? That might be it.

The only one they had to let in right away was Lawrence. If they didn't let him in, he probably would have gone bull guard. They should have put the Lawrence Taylor wing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, with all these issues, I mean, he was that fucking good. But you know what's funny? These fucking writers, these sports writers who do the voting, they do it. They're like little bitches, bro.

They're like little pussies. I know it's like that in the baseball writers. If maybe one of the Maris pissed off Joe Jerkoff from the St. Louis Post-Gazette, you know what I mean? And you never know. Maybe it's an anti-Giant thing. You know what? I wasn't drafted by the Giants. Maybe they pissed off about that.

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You got probably Sam Huff. Is Rosie Greer in there? I don't know. Y.A. Tittle, maybe? It's not a lot of guys. Phil Simms should be, right? Well, didn't they put Parcells in, right? Yeah, they put Parcells in because he wanted to watch Lawrence.

Yeah, exactly. And I would go in and watch both of them. Go at it, you know, father and son. Do you go to the ceremonies? Have you been there for Lawrence? Yeah, I went with Lawrence. Stray hand. It's another guy. Oh, that's another guy.

He's got strays in there. So, yeah, I didn't make strays, but he did give me a big shout-out because I mentored him, you know, my last year that I was there. Oh, so the last year you were there was his rookie year. Yeah, it was his rookie year. And he just – I didn't play the whole season with him because, you know, Dan Reed decided that I wasn't good enough.

But, you know, it's okay, Dan. You know who I noticed when you said Dan Deardorff was a cardinal? And I noticed I do a Deardorff impression, and I used to hate the fact I don't think he likes the Giants. I remember when you guys would play, oh God, I would fucking

bet you guys against the 49ers on a Monday night game, and Deardorff, everything was anti-Giant. He would go, superb, superb defense. Look at the hit. Ronnie Love hits Mark Bavaro. Mark Bavaro doesn't know where he is. He's seeing stars.

This Niner defense. This Niner defense. The Giants are just confused. That is good. Now I'm thinking. Cardinal guy, offensive line, never got a ring. You leave, get a ring. He hates the fucking Giants.

I got two rings. Oh, wait. Yes. Not Super Bowl rings. Yes, I do. Whoa. You remember I was traded in 86. Oh, that's right.

So a lot of people forget that. Dude, I'm a huge Giant fan. I didn't realize that. I could have won money off you. Wait a minute. Dude, every bookie in Staten Island won money off me. Oh, yeah. I should just give it to you.

It's fucking easier. Two rings. So wait a minute. Listen to this. Who do you think scored the last touchdown for the Giants in 86-87 in the Super Bowl? In the 39-20 game. Oh, wait a minute now. So wait a minute.

This is even worse than the fucking Hall of Fame. I know, right? So it's two rings. Two rings. A touchdown in the first one. MVP in the second one. Yep. Yep.

Dude, that is puzzling. I know. It should be like. Now, I would have thought Drew Pearson was in for sure. Yeah, I did too. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, is it like baseball where they eventually take you off the ballot? Are you always in? No, you have to get involved. You have to be there. I mean, is it like baseball where they eventually take you off the ballot? Are you always there? No, you have to get involved. Listen, again, if you go and look at some of the guys who are in there, their stats are nowhere near mine.

But, you know, they was on a wait list, I'm assuming, as well. How many 10,000-yard guys are not? I'll tell you what, there's a lot of them in there that are less than 10,000 yards that is in there. That's what I'm saying. How many guys with 10,000? And they don't have 86 touchdowns. Or two rings, or an MVP, or a rookie of the year.

A comeback player of the year. Yeah, go on. And Whitney Houston sing. And Whitney Houston singing. Well, she's smoking hot. Whitney was smoking hot. Well, she's dead now. Happened to her.

Jesus Christ, that poor woman. Beautiful lady. She ran into Bobby Brown. This is what happens. Don't be cruel. It was his prerogative. You can do what you want to do. Let me tell you something.

That is really infuriating. But you can't think of it. And again, to see at the roast, like Taylor and those guys, they're pissed off for you, which is nice to see. Did you ever think about getting into like the way you know, like the way OJ did with maybe broadcasting and stuff like that? That's work already. That's work, man. You know, I did radio for a year for FAN

with Bob Papa and Dick Lynch. Good guy. I did it with these guys. And, you know, I'm not one of those critical guys that and I think maybe I was too soft when it came down to

to you know really criticizing guys like when I when I saw a linebacker or a corner and I saw him out of position

the play was made and maybe the safety should have been over but he wasn't but everybody think the corner was at fault so I wouldn't say that so you know and then oh because you didn't want to criticize the guy but he wasn't. But everybody think the corner was at fault. Yeah. So I wouldn't say that.

So, you know, and then... Oh, because you didn't want to criticize the guy? Well, I wouldn't criticize him because it wasn't what they... Everybody thought it was the corner fault, you know. The safety guy caught staring at the tight end too long up the middle and then over the top. When you ain't covered too, your job is hashed to over the top. So if you get caught staring at the tight end

and the corner guy think he got help over the top, he jams run and release. If you don't get over the top and they throw the ball in that little seam. See, this is why I hate when athletes get this, this stereotyped that they're stupid. What you just described to me is like fucking, like Harvard math.

I mean, that you really got to see, you got to see the whole field. It's instincts, but you got to have that sports IQ. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. I mean, like that as a football fan, I love hearing what you just said. Well, that's how I try to explain it. But that's technical. But sometimes you got to be a little more critical than that,

and I wasn't like that. You're a nice guy. You're a good guy. And plus, I didn't like football like that. Like, you really have to go to the stadium and you got to sit there. It's like playing football again. Well, it's like going back to high school. You're back at the game.

Yeah. Right. And some guys don't want to let it go. You know, I was blessed that I just met a lot of people outside of football that gave me opportunity to be an entrepreneur so that I didn't have to really have a 9 to five or eight to four. And I've been blessed with that. And now, you know, having a birthday yesterday and, you know, happy belated. Thank you. How old were you? I'm old enough. I mean, again, it's like,

you know, so you went to the University of Miami. That's another story. Again, you were a hurricane. And now we were talking about this before we went on the air. I didn't realize that you, your teams were like under 500 most of the first two years, first three years, first three years. And then you were like six, six and five. Six and five my senior season. Yes. And, uh, and then what happened with that? You just missed that, that legendary dynasty. Well, you know, everybody knows that my senior year was the year that really helped put Miami on the map because Howard Snellerberger came in. Legendary coach.

Jim Kelly, too. Jim Kelly. Those guys were recruited by Lou Saban, which was a Buffalo Bills coach, before he left out. So they were there for my whole senior year and their freshman year, which they all got redshirted. And so Kelly brought in, I think, Kozark and then – Bernie Kozark. And then those guys came in on the Howard,

and that's how the season got turned around with those kind of guys. And then you had Highsmith and Melvin Bratton, and the list started going on when you started looking at Lake Jerome Brown. Like the recruiting just went through the roof. Yeah, it went crazy. And you know what? I had the all-time leading Russian record for Miami for over 30-something years. Whoa.

Are you in the college football hall of fame? No, I'm not even in the college Hall of Fame. I'm not even in my high school Hall of Fame. Is that true? I don't know. Me neither. I'm not in my high school Hall of Fame.

I feel like murdering someone in your bed. See, I'm not in my high school Hall of Fame. Ray Liotta, the actor, is from my high school. And he's 14 years older than me. You know, take Goodfellas

out of his resume. I got him too. I'm arguably the most famous motherfucker. But I'm not in my high school Hall fame because I'm a, I'm a, you know, a scumbag. I don't think they want to, you know, they want any of the kids Googling me, but you are the direct opposite. Like you're, you're like a role model. Yeah, but I have a third place bowling trophy. That's not a sport. There's no bowling. But again, if it never changes, it's always the same floor.

You know, Chris Madog-Russo from Mike and the Madogs. I used to do so with those guys. He used to make me laugh about bowling. He goes, it's not a sport, Mike. There's no defense. The floor never changes. If you had any good athletes, they're just bored. They don't try it.

If Michael Jordan did nothing but bowl for 30 days, he'd be the best bowler on the planet. And it's true. It's not a fucking, you know. I mean, compared to football, which is a war. Well, you know, I tell people the same thing about soccer. It's not a sport, Mike. I tell people soccer is just grown folks kickball. You know, people are like, what?

Oh, it's so fucking. Blast me. Are you kidding me? Oh, I hate when these Europeans bring up soccer. It's so fucking boring. The fights in Are you kidding me? Oh, I hate when these Europeans bring up soccer. It's so fucking boring. The fights in the stands in Europe are way better. It's insane how they go crazy over there in Europe over at the NBA. Oh, you know...

It is. It's so boring. Well, you know what? Well, look what they care about here. They freaking kick a ball around all day long, you know? Yeah. But it is an art to it, though. I watch ESPN, how they can dribble that ball with their feet, and that's amazing how they

control that ball like that. I know, but I miss Pele once in a while. We all miss Pele. But how about a nice 1-0, four-hour Brazil-Italy game? It's like watching flies fuck, for Christ's sake. But it's crazy. In Europe, they're like heads on stadiums. Look what those idiots care about.

These two morons are leaving the royal family who gives a shit. Listen, I love to hear the guy when they go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't care. You know, it was interesting when Pablo Escobar had a team because he always murdered the referees. Like, you know, a bad call, he would say, Pablo Escobar, there's stories about him. He owned the soccer team? He owned the soccer team. Of course, he owned everything.

Yes. But the ref would make a call that would make his team lose, and he would go to a guy sitting right next to him and say, kill the ref, and the ref would be dead an hour later. Wow. See, that's interesting to me. Yeah, that's interesting. Like, that makes soccer interesting.

Murder. That'd be one sport I would try to go out and be a ref for. That's what it is. What about the, again, I was saying this, a guy that comes to mind, a professional athlete, is Derek Jeter. He must be bored to death. He's sitting there in this mansion in Tampa looking at the same broad every night. He's not, the level of competition you guys enjoyed as players.

You know, a comic, you know, we could do this until we're 100 years old and get the higher performing. Do you miss it? Do you miss that? Is there anything? I mean, you know, you got this business, you're golfing with Goldberg

and stuff like that. I love that. Golfing with Goldberg. That's where you should come. I mean, that's all. That's all great. That's all great. You want to feed your family.

Yeah. But, I mean, is there anything better than fucking, you know, that underhand fucking arm in a Super Bowl? That game, that's why I said NFL, not for long. Yeah. You can't play it at that level for long.

Everybody. The only thing about that sport is you are retired in your 30s. Wow. 30s. Right. Can you imagine that? And what'd you miss? 12 years?

14. Hang on. Another Hall of Famer And what'd you last? 12 years? 14. Hang on, another Hall of Famer. How the fuck? A 14-year guy. 14 years. How the fuck you not know? Never had surgery. Wow.

Never had any bone broken. And I'm talking from literally, I played football when I was about seven years old. I retired when I was about 35, 36, somewhere around there. And you speak like a professor at the University of Miami. There's no brain damage. CT is real. Let's not go that far. I'm just saying, you have no, like, you know, again, you know,

I just saw a documentary about Aaron Hernandez. Yes. You know, I hate to say it. I'm pretty sure the guy killed his best friend, and I hate to show any sympathy with that. But you look at that report about all the details of that story, and he had more brain damage. What was he in the league for five years?

More brain damage, massive brain damage. The same stuff that Dorsen had, Junior Seau had, who all killed themselves. Yeah, Al-Azado. I mean, these guys. The center for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mike Webster. Yeah, the list goes on. Listen, I'm not excluded from that group. I mean, these guys. It's the Center for Pittsburgh Steelers. Mike Webster. Yeah.

The list goes on. Listen, I'm not excluded from that group. I got craziness up here. Did you have any? I got craziness. Any concussions? I think everybody does, though. 14 years.

How many do you think I got? 14 years. No, 14 years. You know I got quite a few. How many concussions? I don't remember. Is that true? Yeah, I don't.

You don't remember. So you're just a blessed guy. So far. Yeah. So far. But I noticed, you know, as I get older, you know, I'm at that point now where I put everything in one spot. You know, when I walk through the door, I sit everything down. That's why I said you had to get what I had to say out early while I was on my mind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't get it out. You know, it's like, so it weighs on all of us over a period of time. Just some of us worse than others, you know. Taylor seems great, you know. You guys sound like you were when you were rookies. Well, thank you. But eventually it's going to catch up.

And my whole argument with the NFL is you know that this is going to happen. Why not give it to us while we of sound mind embody? And the money they're making is insane. You know, I'm like, listen. Football players are underpaid. They really aren't. Our pension sucks. We got the worst pension.

Listen, Batman got a better pension than we got. Is that a sport already? I don't know. No. They got a better pension than we have. How the fuck is that possible? I don't know. No. They got a better pension than we have. How the fuck is that possible? I don't know. The money's going south, dude. There's some nefarious...

Somebody's parking it. It's not the NFL Alumni Association and we're fighting like mad to try to get more. 14 years in the league. With the record, with two rings and the record you have. Dude, you should have A-Rod money. Easily.

I played in the 70s and the 80s, that's why. And the league changed right when USFL came into the business. So there's competition. Right, and that's when the salaries started going up and guys started making money. And now it's at the point now where it's kind of crazy because some of the things that you see these guys are doing and they're getting paid for, you go like, dang, we took that for granted. I mean, not for granted. Well, let's put it this way.

When we perform, we perform because of the love of the game. Right. Oh, yeah. And this is totally different. These guys now, if they get hurt, they may come back, they may not. But we were such competitors that you didn't want your backup on the field. So you did everything to get back

on that field because nobody wanted to play special teams. Absolutely. So we had incentives to get back on the field, because you want to be the best. You don't want to be on the bench and be so-called the best. So we had pride that made us want to be the best and work to get back on the field.

These guys now, they get hurt, and they may come back three weeks later, but they're going to get paid. They don't care. Or if you talk too hard to them, the agent come in, make a phone call, you know, to the agent, make a phone call to the team. Listen, you can't talk to them like that, okay? You know, so the game changed. That being said, two modern guys I want your opinion

on. First of all, Antonio Brown. He's mentally ill, right? He's mentally ill. I mean, did you see the last thing he tweeted? His kids are right there and he's screaming at the cops. His poor kids. I mean, the guy, social media, him and

even Odell. They're addicted to social media. How is that? I mean, a guy who played like you, what do you think when you see that? The social media shit. We know it's a sad situation. We feel bad for him because he's not giving the game justice. Not even the game himself, his family.

You know, something's got to come first. You know, forget the league. It's just your family. Your roots, your mother, your roots, your mother, your father, your siblings. Your kids. Oh, yeah. And then your kids.

So that's not a really good example of what fatherhood is all about or what a man is all about. I mean, I clearly believe he has some issues, and everybody's hoping that he gets some help. But what me and Stephen Baker was trying to figure out was he threw bags of dicks. Who has that in their house, a bunch of dicks? What, like dildos?

Yeah, dick dildos. He had fake dicks? Actual dicks would have been more of the same. You know what? Most people know me. I don't talk like this,. It's not something I know. But I just had to bring this up. Stephen Baker brought it to my attention.

Stephen Baker's a good point maker. Stephen said, think about it for a minute. Who has that many packages of fake penises? I meant to be a weirdo. Some kind of major insanity is going on. Well, I mean, like, the question is. He's Stephen Baker, the good point maker. The point I'm having is going on. Well, I mean, like, portion is. He's Stephen Baker, the good point maker. The point I'm having is this here.

When did he decide that I'm going to go buy this just in case I'm going to have an altercation with my wife and the cops that I'm going to throw this? So, I don't get that. You think not only did he throw the bag of dicks out, that it wasn't spontaneous. You think he purchased them specifically to do that. That's what we're trying to figure out. Did he buy them himself? He could have sent somebody else on the buy-in. But the point is, how did you know you're going to need them? That's what we're trying to figure out.

I mean, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to buy tampons for most guys. 400 fake dicks. Yeah, it's like, you never know when you're going to need an enormous amount of fake dicks. I mean, that is, again,

Odell, too, again, a talented guy. Not as bad as Antonio Brown, but Jesus, man. He's another guy that, you know, they just need a hug. Yeah. They need a hug. I mean, when you got too much money, you just don't know how to deal with yourself.

Don't deal with the money really, right? Guys like us would really appreciate. We don't have to have as much as them. Just some. But if someone gave you a billion. That's the point about you, dude. If someone gave you a billion dollars, you'd never conduct yourself like that. That's the point.

They ain't got to give me a billion. They can give me a couple million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been a good boy all this time. A couple million, I'd still be a good boy. The other guy I wanted to ask about, and, you know, take it into account that you said you're the only guy who said something different.

You said something about the troops when Disney was talking to you. Colin Kaepernick with the kneeling. Did you have an opinion on that? Were you vocal about that? I know it's an awkward situation. No. And I see both sides of it. But look, him almost blackmailed the league for all that.

He got, what, $60 million. Listen, you know, everybody takes a stand on what they believe in. Right. Okay. And it's America. That's what people get about that. And the point would be freedom of speech. Absolutely.

So a lot of things I didn't understand about how the reaction was. Do I understand it? Yeah, I understand it. I understand how it could be misconstrued, you know, about how, you know, what he really was doing. And he was just trying to bring social awareness of things that was happening in the African community and also in the Latino community. And he was just saying, listen, ladies and gentlemen, there's a big issue going on. There's a separation issue going on. There's a separation in this country that we need to try to figure out to bring together.

Right. And I think that was his message. That's what he was trying to relay out. But between all of that, everything went south. People got in and they started trying to speak for him and trying to say what he thought he should be saying. You know, he said what he said. And that's how I looked at it.

So I'm like everybody else. We all have opinions like buttholes. We all have one. But my issue is not with what he did. I agree with everything you just said. I think that part of him did it for financial gain, not just to get that message out there. I can't say that because he was making good money.

I can't say it either. He was making good money at the time. Yeah, but, you know. But I think, listen. For a guy like you. Well, listen, if the league took a stand and tried to blackmail him and make sure that he never worked again, then whatever he got because of that, because that's, again, freedom to work.

You can't be not an opportunity to work. So if the league took that stand that they were... And they surely did. Absolutely. If they weren't ever going to let him back into the league. But then whatever he got the settlement for, probably wasn't even enough for what... Because this is what this man does.

It wasn't about the money. It's the fact that he was one of the best. He was just in the Super Bowl the year before that. Yeah. So I don't think that he went out and said, you know what, I'm going to do this here and never play football again. No, I don't think that. I think he wanted to bring football.

I mean, he wanted to play football, and he just wanted to bring notice to social inequality and misjustice. That's what he wanted to do. Now, okay, you brought the Super Bowl up. Perfect timing to have you on. We got the... Do you follow it enough to where, like, you know...

Yeah. What do you think? The Pats are out. Thank God the fucking Patriots are out of it. I can't tell you who the bad owner is. No, I can't gamble anymore.

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Thank God the Pats are out because Tom Brady and Bill Belichick were becoming like the uncles you hated to see every year. You saw them every year with the same turkey, the same shit. I know, whatever. You can't hit Tom Brady anyway. Someone gets near him, it pisses me off. But, okay, they're out.

The Niners really are a hell of an organization, man. From Montana to Steve Young and, like you said said with Kaepernick, they lose in the blackout game down in New Orleans. 15 years they've been out. To Baltimore, and now they're back in again. They sort of... 15 years. Great day. What do you think? Mahomes is great. The Chiefs are fun to watch. Yeah. The Chiefs haven't been there

in 50 years. That's right. They were in the first one. Super Bowl III, I think it was. They weren't the first one. They played the... They would have been. They beat the Colts. If Green Bay would have played, it would have been the first Super Bowl all, I think it was. Oh, they weren't the first one. They played the— They would have been. If Green Bay would have— They beat the Colts. If Green Bay would have played, it would have been the first Super Bowl all over again. That's right.

Green Bay and Kansas City. That's right. Oh, so it was. It was Green Bay and the Chiefs in the first one. Yeah. That's right. And then I just remember them—I don't know if it was the third one or not. And they won in 70, which is 50 years ago.

Yeah, that was about when Hank Scramm—yeah, Hank Scramm. I think they beat the Colts. Or the Vikings. Yeah, it might have been because I remember Otis Taylor going down the sideline, high knee action. That's right. That's right. I think they lent Dawson's team the quarterback.

So that's 50 years ago. 50 years. Can you believe that? 50 years ago. That's why you can't take it for granted. I mean, you look at Marino Taylor. He went early in his career, working season, never went back. That's why you got to enjoy the chances that you get to go there. And to read, what, he's finally going back again.

Maybe he can win the big one this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's so many storylines about this. But, you know, I'm happy for Kansas City, 50 years. You know, they have some great athletes that have come through their program. Fifty years, and they're finally back in there. My coach, Emmitt Thomas, was my coach in St. Louis. He's on the coaching staff.

Oh, that's nice. So, you know, he's going back. We got a black officer coordinator, BNME. You know, this guy never – coach didn't get ahead. He's a coach of Josh, but, you know, here we go again. But, you know – What do you think about that? What do you think about black men getting...

Again, for a long time, they say black athletes couldn't be quarterbacks. And if they did, they couldn't win a Super Bowl. They couldn't win a Super Bowl, and Doug Williams went and did it. And talking about great quarters in the Super Bowl, the best second quarter ever, Doug Williams. I mean, that's like insane ignorance. But do you think that still goes on? I mean, look, man, I'm not saying it doesn't, but that is so sad.

To think a black guy doesn't have... You know, those were stereotypes. That's ancient stupidity. Well, you know, let's kind of go back to that, you know, that in the kitchen, in the field kind of thing. I mean, so, I mean, again, the NFL, it is weird. It has, there's a lot wrong with it, dude. Like, I know, you're not saying that. You're not saying that.

There's probably, you know, there's still racism. The pension situation, the guaranteed contracts. You're not the fucking Hall of Famer. Racism ain't got just the NFL. It's everywhere. No, I hear you. So let's not beat up the NFL too much about that. So we got racism everywhere.

Yeah, but still, if there's one place that it should be weeded out before anywhere in society, where it's a total meritocracy, it's based on how good you are in coaching, in owning, in GMing, in playing. Look at how you just described that play. That sounds like a Harvard professor of football. It should get weeded out there before anywhere. Even politics, which is all just corruption. Because it's all just votes and these stupid...

We don't need to go there, politics. I'm just saying, these rich white guys, they buy these senator seats, but it should be out of sports before anywhere. So that's why the NFL catches extra shit for that to me. I think, you know,

they put this rule out that supposed to give minorities coaches an opportunity to, you know, live out their coaching dream if they want to be a head coach. Just like it was with quarterbacking and those kind of things. You know, Lamar Jackson, they wanted him to be a receiver. And his mom and him said, you know what? I'm a quarterback or I'm not going to even go to this school. And that's why he ended up where he was. Absolutely. Because he went there to be a quarterback,

and look what he has done to the game. You got to put your foot down. Yeah, I agree with you. It shouldn't be there, but, again, you only had one, maybe two coaches that was African-American that actually was interviewed. That's insane. You had six coaching positions open.

It could have been more. It could have been less. And not one head coach that was African-American. And there's countless examples of guys. You know, Art Schell, Dennis Green. I of guys you know Art Shell Dennis Green I mean you know I mean you know and then in all fairness

you know Dungy I mean you know it's like yeah I mean you know it's just there's still some

obstacles that we just have not been able to cross yet and I know you're saying it's everywhere but it's getting better in sports

it should be like because a real fan doesn't give a shit about any of that stuff. Of course not. Well, I'm glad we got Tiger Woods back. Yeah, right. Absolutely. Absolutely. I forget what Comic said back about 20 years ago,

but he had a point. He said, when Eminem was big, he said, the best rapper's white and the best golfer's black. We've achieved equality. What about, okay, just in closing out. I love that. Yeah, baby. In closing out, do you have a prediction for the game or no?

What do you think? You know, it's probably corny and, you know, kind of cliche, like, you know, the team with the most points going to win. All right, so you stay out. I do. I mean, you know, it's... You going down there? You're from Palm Beach, Miami guy?

I'm from Florida, yeah. Yeah, we're working on that now. You know, there's some business opportunities down in Florida that I'm waiting to hear from to finalize on. And if it don't work out, you know what? I'm going to go up here and hang out up here and probably, you know, go to some parties up here.

Dude, I am the last person someone ever wants on their team because I'm a scumbag with a bad reputation. But if there's any way I can help you, get in the fucking Hall of Fame. We got a rally for you. See, my thing meeting on your side might be bad. As you continue to do this great show you do here between you two guys. There you go. Every once in a while I throw my name out there about, you know,

I wonder if my buddies in the Hall of Fame, are they thinking about him this year and I know well God listen at the very least keeping your name out can we say

it's fucking nonsense he's not in because Mike has consistently looked over for the Yoga Hall of Fame and when you hear his record and real quick you want to plug again

what do you got going on it's the business you got going on yeah well you know it's Tridelics which is the 3D animated business that me, Mark, and Lars Till is in. Business partner is Phil Zanluc, the owner of it.

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You're so much fun. It's always good to talk to you, man. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on the show. You guys are great. Thank you. And the roast was fun. Yes, it was. Alright, we'll be back. See you next time on the Halfway House. That was so much fun. Wow, you guys are great. So much fun. Thank you. And the roast was fun. Yes, it was. All right. We'll be back. See you next time on The Halfway House. That was so much fun. Oh, you guys were great. I love it.

Oh, you guys. We'll see you next time.