Ask Dr. Drew - Miranda Devine: Clinton & Obama KNEW Trump Russia Links Were False, As Exposed By Gabbard’s Declassified Files w/ Patrick Pennie & Casey Meinster – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 519

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

“They threw everything at him, manufacturing intelligence to frame him as a Russian stooge… they failed spectacularly,” writes NY Post journalist Miranda Devine. “If you come for the king, you’d best not miss.” After reviewing intelligence documents declassified by DNI Tulsi Gabbard, Devine says “We now know that on Dec. 9, 2016, Obama directed his national security officials, DNI James Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey and others to create an intelligence assessment with the foregone conclusion they all knew to be false: that Russia had influenced the 2016 election to help Trump win.” “…Hillary herself approved one of these plans… to heighten tensions around this Russia hoax… to draw attention away from her and the controversy surrounding her at that time.” Patrick Pennie is a Certified Clinical Perfusionist and Critical Care Registered Nurse. As Founder of EmCyte Corporation in Fort Myers, Florida, he leads a global innovator in regenerative biologics with integrated manufacturing and R&D. Follow at https://x.com/emcytecorp Miranda Devine is a New York Post columnist and Fox News contributor. She broke the Hunter Biden laptop story and authored The Big Guy and Laptop from Hell. She hosts Pod Force One, covering Washington’s disruptors. Follow at https://x.com/mirandadevine and listen to her podcast at https://nypost.com/pod-force-one/ Casey Meinster, LMFT, is Division Chief of Campus-Based Services at Hillsides, overseeing the Residential Program, HillsidesCares, and migrant children shelters for at-risk youth aged 6-17. Learn more at https://hillsides.org 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And we are coming to you today from Florida. There's Vinay Prasad, dancing his way back to the HHS, which I am so, so delighted about. He is one of the brightest oncologists that he was able to penetrate medical literature like nobody I know. So got a lot of show today. We're going to talk to Miranda Devine. She was at the center of the Russia Gate. She's been at the center of the laptop, the Hunter Biden laptop. She, of course, has been a journalist for quite some time with The New York Post, and she has some shocking revelations.

First, though, we are going to speak to my friend Patrick Penny, who I'm calling the king of stem cells. We've done a little bit on stem cells lately, but I thought we should talk to the king. He understands this better than anybody I know and has one of the best procurement systems out there. We're going to talk about that. And we're going to talk about teens and residential care all after this. our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography PTSD love addiction fentanyl and heroin ridiculous I'm a doctor for I say where the hell you think I learned that I'm just saying

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When I prescribe a medication, I prescribe that medicine because I expect that to work. That is exactly what I've done with these products, and I want you to go to Dr. Drew.com slash v-shredmdmd for 10% off. Again, that is Dr. drew.com slash v shred MD. all right i think i neglected to mention that uh we are in the slightly offensive studios here in southern florida i'm working on a show here that is called health uncensored with dr drew which had a great privilege of doing and we interview really interesting people with breakthrough technologies

i sort of use my thinking to trying to penetrate what they're doing and what i agree with what i don't agree with oh there's some some footage on that it's a good show and actually we start doing with an audience now that will start tomorrow so it's on lifetime so do please check it out you can also learn more about it at dr drew.com slash health uncensored no just go to it's on the homepage yeah it's on the home page and on the homepage also we have a health uncensored with dr drew on instagram so sign up there but uh one of the sign up and get tickets and come see the show uh yes go to the link from instagram health is that how you do it i i don't know i i would I think we have a link through to the Health Uncensored website over at Brand Star,

and I think then you can get tickets. But not for this week. This week is all done. Sold out. But we'll be back in October, I believe, to do more. Is that correct, Susan? Yeah, so we'll be back in October. So, anyway, this show has been a pleasure to do, but one of the great privileges I have

is to meet some really extraordinary people. And one of those people is here with me in the studio today. I thought we would, since we had such an interesting conversation last week with Dr. Eric Weiss about stem cells and autism, I should bring in the king of stem cells. And that is Patrick Penny. Let me read you some of his particulars. In addition to him being the king of stem cells, he and I share a heritage. He was an ICU nurse at the top of his class.

I mean, somebody who, the kind of person I attached myself to regularly to help manage patients in the ICU, it was an era we both lived through that kind of doesn't exist right now. Yeah. And we sort of bonded around that. The fact that we would go in day and night for these patients and we thought we were doing was so important that has become much more algorithmic these days. And also professionalized to the point where the patient's doctor doesn't even get to go in and see the patient has to be some hospitalist, some specialist, some super specialist. And they may not be as invested in the patient. Nothing wrong with the pulmonologists and cardiologists that do these things. It's just a different. vibe. Patrick can be followed on X at M-Site Corp, E-M-C-Y-T-E, Corp, C-R-P. M-S-Site is the company he has founded. It is in Fort Myers, and it's a leading global innovator in regenerative biologics. You can also go to M, I think I said N-Site, it's M-Site, E-M-C-Y-T-E, M-Site.com. Patrick, good to see you. Thank you. Thank you. So here we are again. Yeah. So what is on your mind, my understanding you're looking at fertility treatment, which is sort of extraordinary.

Well, first of all, before we even start, let's qualify the stem cells. So there are so many different types of stem cells. The area that we work with is autologous stem cells. So I did stem cells coming from your own body, going back into your own body. And is that primarily mesencomal stem cells? It is mesencomal stem cells. We've talked about hematopoetic stem cells. They all have a different target.

So for the treatment application. Right. But everything that we do is really done at the point of care. So the two that you mentioned to me come from fat and bone marrow. Yeah, bone marrow has mesenchymal stem cells. And hematcoetic. And hematopoetic stem cells. Fat has mesencomal stem cells.

And they function differently. So, you know, when you're talking about stem cells coming from bone marrow, they're sort of very specific to connective tissue, cartilage, tendons, ligaments. And as you and I have talked many times, I had my shoulders ejected with my own stem cells. Exactly. And then when we're looking at mesocable stem cells that come from fat, we're talking about more of a substrate type stem cell. So they supplement the PRP to play.

And MSSight is their expertise is about getting the cells, getting the right cells. So our expertise is, our expertise are about getting those cells developed in the right condition, I guess. Our expertise are about getting those cells developed in the products that are able to extract the highest concentrations of those cells. So that has been my life's work. Basically, after I've left the nursing days and left the open-hart profusion days and moved into this area, I've seen the benefits of what these technologies and what these types of therapies can really do. What was your sort of opening volley? How did you get?

Because you were a traditional medical professional. And all of a sudden you go into this field. Yeah, I mean, you know, sometimes people are called to do things. This was never something that I had, you know, set out to do. Yeah. But it's something that fell in my lap and it's something that I took on with a serious passion towards it. So basically, you know, understanding that platelets had another function other than stop bleeding, stopping the bleeding or to prevent a patient from bleeding. So let's stop on.

own it to right let's stop on that so so I think people have heard about vampire facials oh geez

right and isn't that an attempt to kind of get PRP platelet rich plasma into the collagen

it is to get it into the collagen so the vampire facelift you use the PRP apply topically

through microneedling onto the skin and it's supposed to help build collagen and help build tissue so that it reduces

the fine lines or wrinkles and things but that's the same cell types, the pieces of cells, quite literally, which are the platelets, which have these rich anti-inflammatory properties. Correct.

Correct. Correct. So, I mean, yes, the platelets have that property, but there is more than just the platelets. Yeah. And it also goes to the amount of platelets in the therapy. And that is a big part of whether a treatment does well, whether a treatment does not do well. So really to sort of back it up a little bit, you have a lot of patients out there that want to get treated for, say, their joints, they've got joint pain, various different types of pathologies,

things like that. And then they said they want to go get a PRP treatment done. So what we would find is there are some patients that would have great outcome. Some patients won't have such a good outcome. And really, the question that we need to ask is, where did you get the treatment done? What type of PRP was there? Did the doctor do a validation of the period? PRP to make sure that it's reaching the clinical thresholds. So do we have enough platelets in there? So those are some of the things that I think are important. And that is where I focused a lot on, making sure that our technology is that our PRP meets

a specific threshold that we know will have a good outcome for a patient. Susan, do you have any questions about this? Because you like all the PRP stuff. I use the PRP on my face and my neck and my chest. But he's saying that that might not be quite up to, certainly not up to his standards. Oh. What do you have to use? Well, yeah.

What I'm saying really is the amount of the PRP is the amount of platelets within the PRP. So there are a lot of doctors out there that really do not validate that. They don't count that. So your own is. So your own blood is not enough? No, your own blood. Okay, put it like this. Say, I'll just do a quick analogy.

So say your house is on fire, okay? And you call, so that is your injury, the house on fire. And then you're in the palisades, okay? I've been in the palisades since I was 19. And there's no water. So now you make that phone call and now the fire they're coming to put the fire out. So say you have one group of firemen come with a fire hose and another group of firemen come with a bus. of water. Okay? Now we know that water can put out the fire, but only one of those is actually

going to have an effect in that situation. Well, that is the type of thing that we do here. We come with the fire holes. So they both have platelets, but we have enough platelets to be effective for that patient. And so there's the sort of overview. What's going on with fertility? Well, with fertility, I think is something that's super exciting. And this is something that, you know, again, a lot of doctors that we deal with in so many different areas, we create the product to get the results, but then they take that product and they use it in so many different areas. Fertility is one great one. I've not heard of that yet. It's really to help enhance IVF, enhance the take of IVF, so you don't have to do it so many times.

So it improves the outcome for patients. So basically what we're doing there is a lot of women have a thinning. intrauterine walls. And when you do the implantation, it doesn't really take. So you have to redo it over and over again. Is that thinness genetic or is that because they're older? It's various different reasons. Some are genetic for various reasons. And so do you infuse the intrauterine cavity with stem cell? So that's what they do. They would get the right concentrations, the right formula of the PRP. They would infuse it and bathe the intrauterine cavity and also induce. And into the intrauterine cavity and over time it builds it thickens that wall oh interesting how long does

that take well generally and we're going to talk about this in a few days but yeah um generally i would say it would be from a few months you know so they would have repeated treatments and then they would reevaluate are we going to talk to somebody who's been through successful care so yeah so we're going to have that conversation so patrick is going to come on health uncensored again and it's just my privilege whenever he does, which I didn't know what we were doing this week. I find out when I go in. So, but, and last time I talked to you, you brought Danica Patrick in, a different Patrick. And she was an enthusiast of your interventions as well.

Yeah, I mean, Danica Patrick, she had first used our products on her dog, which she had tremendous results. And then after we became more acquainted, I said, let's treat your dad that had a multiple tears in his shoulder, rotate a cuff. And after a single treatment, which is also very important, after a single treatment, he had a great recovery. He had almost complete repair of that, of the super spinaidus tear that he had there. She was, I see her on Instagram and things still, and she's very enthusiastic about your interview. Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, she will continue to see some of the great work that we do, not just with her father,

but so many other people. And that really drives her, that inspires her to continue to sort of support us, you know, and sort of really promote some of the things that we're doing. So if people want to, so is it professionals come to M-Site? So somebody who's deploying the stem cells

is who you want to hear from, not the patients? We want to hear from the patients and we want to hear from the doctors. And so they go, either would go to M-Site.com? Correct. They will go to M-Sight.Sight.com.

EMC-Y-T-E dot com. And what are they going to find there? Well, they're going to find our website. They're going to find what we talk about as far as our biologics are concerned. And there's so many things to what we do. We do a lot of research. We do a lot of training and education for our physicians. And we establish and develop protocols to allow our doctors to make sure that they're doing the correct treatment applications for patients.

Now, before the mic's heated up, someone who will go unnamed in the studio, I went, what about baldness? Is that coming? Will this work for baldness? You know, baldness, we can treat baldness, but it really goes down to the diagnosis first. What's causing the baldness? What's causing the baldness? It has to be inflammatory.

Right. It has to be inflammatory. There are many different things that we look at. So like alopecia Ariata you'd be great for. I think so, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah, and in combination with adipose too, which is something that we're looking at.

So not just the PRP, but adding a little bit of the adipose. mesencomal stem cells. The mesencomal stem cells really gives... Atalicus, again, you do a little liposuction and then put it in. And what is your, you know, what's your vision for the future? So it's something I've never asked you, and I'm kind of interested in that. Listen, the vision for the future revolves around the patient.

So what really upsets me are patients that get PRP and they don't have a good response because the doctors are not using the right protocols or they're not validating the PRP. and a patient, you know, they think one PRP is the same as all PRP, and that's not the case. So, patients need to be educated as to the type of PRP that they're getting, and how many platelets are in that PRP? They really should know. I think it's a doctor's obligation to tell every patient what is that platelet count. Are you getting 10 billion platelets, 9 billion platelets? And what does it mean?

And what it means is this scientifically proven? or scientifically accepted for a positive outcome for whatever injury you're dealing with. So my vision for the future is to engage patients more so that they're better educated as far as their PRP treatments are concerned. Yeah, which always was, it's the way you and I were trained. To me, it's old school, do the right thing. It's what my hand tells me.

You know what I mean? That's why we always did it. It's weird that we have to articulate it separately now. It was like I go through a repeated cycle of trying to teach this and trying to impress this on patients and trying to get doctors to embrace this idea. So I did it in the mid-2000s. And from 2010, now I'm into another decade of really talking about educating the patients and really engaging them. And then this isn't such a, it doesn't have much risk associated with it, but giving them full risk reward. information. I mean, we just...

Yeah, you can't beat it. We just are doing it. It's weird to me. It's so weird. You can't beat it because... I don't know what's happened to us. And they tell their friends. Of course. You know, so I hear the great stories. I hear the great outcome stories. And that's what inspires me to keep going all the time. And I know how

important it is to make sure if you're getting a regenerative treatment done, it's done the right way. Well, look for Patrick on previous episodes of Health Unsensor with Drew, with Dr. Drew. And and he's coming up on one that will air probably a couple of weeks.

Again, it's all in lifetime, but we have it all online too. Find it on Instagram, find it at mSite.com. Do you have this segment up on M-Sight? It will be there. Okay. How about the old ones? They're on our training site. Okay.

It was golf course bylogics.com. Because the one we did with Danica was kind of fun. Yeah, that was interesting. All right. Well, it is always a privilege to have you and to know you and to hear what you're doing. So I appreciate to come in and just enlightening this audience too. Thank you for having me.

All right, always. So I will see you tomorrow or Friday. You will see us both days. Tomorrow and Friday. You've got two great segments coming. We're doing fertility and erectile dysfunction. Oh. Should we do a few seconds on that?

Always. Hey. Is that to improve? Now you've got to get nitric oxide, get the nerves re-vigorated. The whole idea. there is to improve the circulation. I see circulation. That is the whole thing. So you're trying to get the... It will

boost the nitrous oxide, but then it will also get a better response. Psychological, better response, physical. So it's the pudendal artery? Is there what's the dorsal artery to the penis? We're going to get to that one. I will get to all that

it sounds a little gruesome, but it's not so bad. It's not that bad. Trust me. All right, Patrick, I will see you then and then. I'll see you tomorrow and Friday. And we're going to switch gears a little bit again go to msite.com you can also find out more at x you follow on x m site corp e m c y-c-e corp do you want your own personal stuff out there oh sure what is your x and what is your website well just m site i don't have website okay okay we'll leave it there msite dot com all right switching gears miranda divine uh you can follow miranda on x also miranda

divined d e v i her book uh out twenty 24 the big guy how a president and his son sold out America. Previous book from 2021, Laptop from Hell, Hunter Biden, Big Tech and the dirty secrets the president tried to hide. There it is. And recently Miranda, oh, Miranda's not here yet.

So shall I just bring Patrick back in and keep talking to Patrick and you just tell me when she's here? Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. We'll keep you here. Back to rectal dispensions. Let's talk a little penis Sorry. So I also want to know.

You said you didn't have X. And he told you to go to his X. I think he went Instagram. Oh, you have Instagram too? We have Instagram. Yeah, not X. I have X on my thing here. It's M-Site.

M-Sight Corp. M-Sight Corp. M-Sight Corp, Instagram. All right, we'll go there. Probably our stuff is up there as well as anywhere. Yes, a lot of it is up here. So let's, so erect, all right, so let's talk about Penal physiology for a second. So people are a little confused about erections.

They imagine that they have all kinds of fantasies about how it works. But fundamentally, there are these arteries, arterioles, frankly, tiny arteries in the penis that are coiled. And they create a certain amount of resistance and they uncoil under the influence of nitric oxide. Correct. And nitric oxide is released by the nerves that go past the prostate and head into the pudental nerve. And this white man got all freaked out if they have to have their prostate out. I'm here to tell you, it goes, okay, if you have prostate cancers, get the prostate out, they can preserve the nerves, it's fine.

And the PD-5 inhibitors, so-called Viagrosilis, those sorts of medication, work by increasing, decreasing the breakdown of nitric oxide. So the coils uncoil more. How does the stem cell figure into that process? So the one component there that you talked about was the nervous innovation. Yes, which is key. That causes the release of the nitrox oxide. So generally when a patient comes in, the first thing that we want to do is to assess their vasculature.

So typically what's done there is we will use prostaglandin stimulators. To inject it into the penis to see if they can. if there's a response. Okay. And I want to point out that that artery is highly sensitive to coronary, to vasculopathy, frankly, all kinds of vascular issues. More so than the coronary

arteries, which is really important to keep in mind. Right, correct, correct. So once we establish that, so a lot of times, a lot of patients that come in, once we do that the prostate gland and tests, we will see that they get an immediate erection. So then we

would know that the situation is not necessarily the vasculature, but mostly the nervous innovation. So the PRP, when they inject the PRP, they inject along the either sides. And really what they're looking to do is stimulate or help enhance the nervous reaction, the blood flow to the nerve, nervous response. And then a lot of these patients also have to get a psychological therapy as well because a lot of times it's a mental situation. But if we do get into a situation

where it is a vascular problem, multiple injections are done. In addition to that, and we'll hear more about this, there'll be multiple injections done, and in addition to that, they would be doing a lot

of the use of pump. And then they will be sent home on the prostate gland and therapy, which they would have to do essentially every day. It's really about feeding those nerves. That is the whole thing. So I see what you're, so it's not about the arterial coils. It's really about getting that.

And the nerves are highly sensitive to their vascular supply. Right, right. Well, that is our primer. You have to go back to Health Uncensor with Dr. to get the full story. Patrick, thank you again. We had to do both sides, the male and the female version today. That's right.

The uterine perfusions and the peanut perfusions. That's the way it goes. we are going to talk about something entirely different. Let's put Miranda's book back up there again. The Big Guy, how President and his son sold out America, and her old book was Laptop from Hell, which I think is a great time. But there's the big guy. And she has been sitting at the center of the Russia Gate and the Hunter Biden laptop

and has recently interviewed some of the major players and broke some of the important stories or the important insights around the story, I should say. Miranda, divine, welcome and thank you for coming. Thanks so much, Dr. Drew. Good to be with you. So we have to take a little break though before. Oh, we do? Yeah. I thought the break. Well, let me talk to her flow out. Then we'll take a break.

Okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. Because I'm very anxious to talk to you. There's so much going on. I've noticed that this, maybe we can just sort of start with this sort of phenomenon I'm seeing. It reminds me of vaccines in that if you go, hey, what's going on? over there, Miranda. What is, what are you finding? What are you, what are you hearing? What are you seeing? What is the facts you're uncovering? Oh my God, you are a mega extremist. What is wrong with you? It reminds me of vaccines where you went, I'm not sure. Is there an adequate data to have a mandate for vaccines? Oh my God. You're a, you're a Trump voter for sure. I don't understand that.

We're just trying to uncover the truth. spot on and I think the reason is that there's just grown up this censorship ecosystem and any dissent, whether it was on COVID vaccines or Russia Gate or Hunter Biden's laptop, you name it, this grand ecosystem would kick in and it would, you know, part of it was just shaming, canceling, calling you MAGA or whatever. But part of it also was, was literal censorship by social media. And we saw the hand of the Biden administration in that when, you know, there was a lot of threats made to those social media companies by various operators that worked for Biden.

And we saw that all laid bare in that court case, which was Missouri versus Biden. Yes. Yes. Yes. and my thought process was that that sort of got undone, particularly when Elon Musk came in and bought X. And yet I'm seeing the same kind of energy again. It feels very familiar. My just going, hey, I'd like to talk to Miranda and see what she's finding out, what she's thinking. Oh, oh my God, you have completely, you're a Nazi.

You're a Nazi. Now I know you're a Nazi. And I'm like, wait, I just like to, this reminds me, I'm no longer going to cave to that. shit either. Because during COVID, I was like, oh, I guess maybe I was confused. I thought maybe I'd done something wrong. I didn't know the government was part of what was coming down. But there's still this sort of weird, I don't know what it is. Psychology where you're not allowed to ask questions, if it implicates, like you're not allowed to ask, for instance, could a vaccine cause autism? I don't know. Could it? Oh my God. Oh, my God. You're an extremist.

could President Obama have had something because if he had some duplicity? Could he have known something? I don't know. Why can't I ask that question? And you've been at the middle of it. And Tulsi Graberd was recently in front of you. What did you learn?

Well, she is incredible. And I think in part she is so tough and so unyielding and so kind of implacably opposed to these forces of darkness that you're describing. that are trying to keep the truth hidden from the American people. I think she's been immunised against those dark forces by having been part of the Democrat machinery. She was a vice president of the DNC.

She ran for president on the Democratic ticket. She fell a foul of Hillary Clinton. So she has seen the absolute worst of the worst. And in fact, it culminated in her being placed on the TSA's quiet, surveillance program, which basically treated her like a domestic terrorist and meant that every time she got on a plane domestically, she had a team of marshals following her. Her luggage was, you know, searched to within an inch of its life. She was patted down, you know, hours and hours.

I think it was 24 times she was detained to the point where the poor people who were, you know, patting her down and searching and looking in the lining of her suitcase for God knows what. We're apologising to her. I mean, the photo that was used that they had on their file for her was her congressional photo. She was an acting, you know, military, member of the military reserve, I think a lieutenant colonel. And so it was just outrageous what was done to her. But now the shoe is on the other foot and Trump won against all of. and he's placed her in this very important position as the spy chief.

I've had the pleasure of interviewing her. I've had dinner with her. I've done television with her. She's just as lovely as she appears. And last time I saw her was in the executive building at the White House, and I could tell that she was still as lovely as she could be, but I could tell she had some new weights on her shoulders. Yes.

She was really carrying something. And I saw her on Pod Force One, your pod. And one of the things I wondered, as it pertains this particular topic you're mentioning, is are the, she mentioned, she sort of said in that interview, you know, lots of other Americans were on this list too. And I thought, is she going to let those people know? I wonder if I was on, everyone thinks it was I on that list. Does she say anything about that? No, that was a good question. I should have asked that. But I'm sure she will. I'll ask her next time. You know, if there are other Americans on that, I can't imagine that still have. happening. You know, I mean, Christy Nome has done away with the stupid shoe, taking your shoes off. So I think that, you know, everything in government, bit by bit is being sort of dismantled and inspected by the members of the Trump administration, now the cabinet members, because they all have a mandate for change and for undoing a lot of the rock that's been there, not just the past

four years of Biden, but even previously, you know, when Trump, came in the first time, he really wasn't in charge of his administration because there were so many white anters, so many resistance merchants, you know, deep state holdovers. But now he is in full control and everybody is in his administration is all marching to the same tune. So I think we'll see some good and lasting change. I know the post is coming out to California. Are you going to be a part of that squad and help us out on the West? Well, look, I haven't been asked yet, but, you know, it's all all hands to the wheel, so I certainly don't mind helping.

I hope my columns will find their way over there. I, you know, write about national things, and I'm sure that I'll be writing more and more about California, and particularly Gavin Newsome, Gavin Loathsome, who really has presidential ambitions. I find him, I mean, I'm always astounded when people say, oh, how good-looking he is and how appealing he is. And I think he just reminds me of Patrick Bateman. You know, there's a sort of a reptilian sort of vibe that I get from him.

But his charms are lost on me. Not the first time I've heard that exact description. But yeah, if you live under his rule, it's particularly disturbing. It's just so terrible. So here's what I want to do. I want to take a little break. And what I want to get into, if you don't mind, is this is really a giant question mark over my head. And it's a lot of what I was getting attacked by on X today.

And it is a good question, because I don't really fully understand it, which is why didn't or did the previous investigations give us the same understanding of what was going on with the. particularly the steel dossier. We can include Hunter Biden's laptop. Why didn't those previous investigations healed something? And I understand there were things hidden here and there, but these were high-level, professionally managed. And it almost defies understanding to go that,

you know, what's the poor guy's name? And it's now in a dementia home, which also is kind of weird and spooky. Oh, Mueller. couldn't Mueller find he seemed like a very competent guy why couldn't he uncover all this stuff i want you to to get me into that topic after the break we up for that yeah sure all right we'll be right back with miranda divine after this i'm excited to bring you a new product a new supplement fatty i take it i make susan take take my whole family takes it this comes out of believe it or not dolphin research

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The book is the big guy, how president of his son sold out in America. We're going to hear about that in a few minutes. You can also follow Amanda, Miranda, a bigger sign I said Amanda. Miranda on X, Miranda Devine, M-R-A-N-D-A, Divine D-E-V-I-N-E. I have a tick where Miranda becomes Amanda in my head, so apologies if I'm not concentrating and I do that. But let's talk about why the Mueller investigation, it's the previous impeachments and all these different crazy things that were going on during the first Trump administration

didn't yield something like what we're seeing now. Well, look, I don't know with the Mueller investigation other than it was supposed to be the holy grail for the Democrats that was going to prove that Trump was a Russian asset. And in fact, it showed nothing of the kind. And they were all horribly disappointed. And if you remember when Robert Mueller, who'd been the former FBI director turned special counsel, when he appeared to testify in Congress about his investigation that went on for more than two years and cost many millions of dollars, he kind of feigned. memory loss. I don't think he really was demented, but he just couldn't remember anything. So that

was all very peculiar. And of course, the people who were under him who were really running the investigation, people like Andy McCabe and other sort of FBI people, we find out were highly partisan and their roles are highly suspicious. So I would imagine if, I mean, they were desperate to find evidence that Donald Trump was Vladimir Putin's patsy and they did not. So I'll dispense with that. There were other investigators, there was a congressional investigation which relied, which is often brought up right now

because Marco Rubio was on a member of that committee. I think it was foreign intelligence or something committee. Anyway, Mark Rubio was a member. They also did their own investigation, but they were relying on the intelligent, they don't have their own. Congress doesn't have its own spy agency, so they have to rely on what CIA is giving them and the FBI is giving them as being legitimate. And it wasn't. So what you have is tainted evidence from the very origins, from these institutions that we are supposed to trust. And from that, that's the original sin.

and from that, all other sins emanated. Now, John Durham was tasked by Bill Barr as one of his parting gifts to the Biden administration with looking into the origins of the Russiagate hoax and Democrats are always very happy to point out that he really achieved nothing, no scalps. I think he got a guy called Kevin Klein-Smith, who was a lowly FBI attorney.

he got pinged for, you know, falsifying a Pfizer document. But he got a slap on the wrist and then got hired by a pricey D.C. law firm. So no consequences there. And I think he tried to charge someone else and get them convicted. But a D.C. jury said, I remember one of the jurors was being interviewed afterwards after they'd let this guy off. and they said, well, you know, like, why is it his fault if the FBI has lied to him? So that's the problem.

I mean, the FBI was lying, the CIA was lying, and I think why we are discovering this now is it's many layers of onion that had to be peeled and many layers of kind of incredulity from all of us. I mean, a lot of Republicans, a lot of Trump supporters even. I mean, I think even Trump himself were not fully aware of the enormity of this plot, this scheme. And I think it's more, it's less a sort of concerted scheme. I mean, I think it started off as a kind of a half-baked scheme by Hillary Clinton to divert attention from her email problem during the 2016 campaign and pin, you know, divert attention onto Trump and try to say that he was, you know, too close to Vladimir Putin. and that Russia was going to interfere in the election on his behalf. So I think that's a sort of a half-baked scheme.

But the cover-up, as with all these things, is far worse. And it was in the cover-up that you have these complicated interlocking agencies and operators that have committed all sorts of heinous acts against the American people. Because what Tulsi Gabbitt has found is that after, Donald Trump legitimately won the 2016 election, Barack Obama, who was embarrassed and humiliated by that victory because it was really a repudiation of everything that he had done for the past eight years. I mean, Trump was the anti-Obama.

And also, he didn't want the scandal of Hillary Clinton, you know, the pay-for-play stuff with the Clinton Foundation, her emails, you know, backfiring on the administration that he always prided himself on. There were no scandals in my presidency. So he, on the 9th of December 2016, ushered in to an Oval Office meeting. He's, you know, James Clapper, who Chelsea Gabbard's predecessor as the Director of National Intelligence or previous, had that job. and also Comey, James Comey, the FBI director and John Brennan, the CIA director

and other officials, national security officials, and basically told them to go and redo the intelligence. They had intelligence that said that no, Russia, wanted to sow discord in the election, but didn't favour one candidate over the other, was not favouring Trump. Obama didn't like that. He wanted them to redo it and find,

the other intelligence that showed that Putin had intervened on behalf of Donald Trump. And so that's exactly what John Brennan did using the Steele dossier, which was discredited, made up, gossip, garbage from this former British spy, Christopher Steele, who was paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign to come up with this kind of oppo research, which was nonsense, saying that Donald Trump had gone to a hotel room in Moscow and paid prostitutes to pee on the bed that, you know, Barack Obama had once slept on. I mean, it was ridiculous. And Donald Drummers told me that his wife, Melania, just said, well, I know that's not true because you're a germaphone. There's no way that Donald Trump would even contemplate during that. It was, it was ridiculous. And all the facts they had,

the made-up facts were wrong. They didn't gel with, you know, dates that people were places. So it was made up, and that's been proven since. But, and, you know, at the time, the FBI knew that it was bogus, and so did the CIA. And in fact, in some of the documents uncovered by John Ratcliffe, now the CIA director, they found sort of communications between John Brennan and the top Moscow experts in the CIA who are saying, no, we cannot use the steel. dossier, it will discredit this entire, you know, assessment that we're making intelligence assessment that we're making about the election. And John Brennan insists on keeping it in. And he

says, well, it sounds good, doesn't it? And not only was it kept in as a sort of an annex, an appendix, but it was also formed part of the body of that assessment. So, um, That's what we found out recently. We've also found the Durham investigation. There was a classified appendix or annex, it's been called, which Tulsi Gabbard just declassified. Now, obviously, all of this stuff is classified under the Biden administration. So, and it's one of the ruses that FBI and CIA deep state operators use,

is they, you know, when anybody from the Trump administration wants something declassified, or the president wants it declassified, they released documents so heavily redacted that they're just unintelligible. And that's what they were trying to do here. And Tulsi Gabbard overruled them and went straight to the White House with a number of these documents

and forced the redactions to be removed. And the Durham annex, which never saw the light of day because it was completely classified, that had elements in it that are very bizarre, but they show that the Russians had intercepted a whole lot of emails between the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Somsaurus Foundation people. And in these emails, they're talking about how Hillary Clinton has psycho-emotional problems,

that she has fits of rage and uncontrollable laughter and that she's on heavy tranquilizers and that she's got other health problems. And so, you know, this is sort of from the Russians, but the fact is whether it's true or not, it's the sort of information that would have been very damaging to Hillary Clinton in the middle of that election campaign. They were already questioned.

they withheld it. They withheld it. If they wanted Trump in, they could have just released that. That's right. And there were already question marks over Hillary Clinton's mental and physical state. I remember there was a 9-11 ceremony in New York

just before the election, and she collapsed and had to be bundled into a van. I got canceled around then because she released her medical records that day, or the day before. She released her medical doctors put out the record. And she had had a blood clot in her skull, very unusual, very rare. Wow.

And it's often associated with a stroke, and she had a stroke. She had a brain stem stroke, which is why, if you remember, she used to wear those prism eyeglasses. Yeah. The prism is to treat something called intraocular, intraocular ophthalmoplegia, which is the consequence of a brain stem stroke. And so she had this incredibly. very, you know, very, and my question at the time,

the reason I got canceled, I went, why are the, why do they have her an arbor thyroid? Why didn't they do a hypercragulation workup? Why cummated, not eloquist? One of the more non-modern medicines. I, I smell, the same thing I smell with Biden getting diagnosed with prostate cancer at an advanced stage. When the, when the special person is dictating the care, the care is terrible. He, they just need to go to Walter Reed and get the care and that's that

and not have somebody interposed, you know, intercalating between the special person and the quality physicians. If you remember when she was shuttled into the van that day, there was a doctor, a woman right behind her, like, oh, that's not good care.

That's not good care. The doctors, you go see the doctor when she has a problem and you treat it. Hey, bad. Her medical stuff was very complicated that people didn't get it, but I got canceled for reading her medical records that she released. Yeah. And was that collapse in the van on September 11? Was that before the stroke or after the stroke? Well after. Well after. She had pneumonia. And again, if you got to read the records and she had

pneumonia that day. That was that was what they actually released. She had pneumonia and she was still God bless her going through the ceremony on a hot day at 9-11 and then fainted. She's an older woman with a recent neurological problem and she fainted. That's what happened. I mean, I feel bad for her and then I was worried about her because she wasn't getting what I considered to be the highest quality health care. I got canceled for daring to say that. But anyway, so when the extraordinary thing to me is that, you know, you just elaborate an extraordinary story here. And half the country either hasn't heard this story or when they hear it, And they go, they will say something on the order of the Russians did interfere.

Manafort went to jail. George Poppidopoulos, George, yeah, Papadopoulos, he went to jail. They were, they were involved. And they don't seem to understand that those were sort of trumped up, marginal, you know, Manafort was dealing with some oligarch and didn't really even give him any good information. And George Poppidopoulos, the reason he got in the crosshairs is that his wife, we've had her on this show a few times. If you were casting somebody as a Russian spy, you would cast her.

And that's what they started calling her. And she's Italian. She's not even Russian. That's an Italian accent, not even a Russian accent. And so this whole thing was super crazy. But what do you do with half of the country that doesn't seem to be able to hear the reporting the people that you particularly are putting out there? I don't know, really.

I think that, you know, COVID was a real red pill moment for a lot of Democrats. I have met people become friends with people who suddenly opened their eyes because they thought, if I'm being lied to about these health things that I know are not true, then what else are they lying to me about? And I think that's led to a precipitous decline in the audience of some of these media outlets that lied continually. And then I think the 2024 election was another red pill moment because, you know, you're told that Donald Trump was, you know,

an illegitimately elected president in 2016. He shouldn't have been there. It was only Vladimir Putin. He's a Russian spy, et cetera. And then he wins again in 24. After you've been told he's an insurrectionist, he's fraudulent, he's a sexual predator, you know, they've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at. him. He should be bankrupt in jail, dead from two assassination attempts. And yet he lives,

he thrives. He wins the election, not just, you know, like he did in 2016, but on every metric he wins, including the popular vote. And so if you're an honest person, I think you have to look at that and say, look, I think CNN, MSNBC, whatever my chosen organ is, has not been telling me the truth. Maybe Donald Trump isn't such an ogre. Maybe he wasn't elected by Putin in 2016. And I think you're just seeing right now people on the fence, red-pilled, and just don't know who to trust. I mean, it's a lack of trust. It's not like they're going to suddenly become, you know, mager Republicans or suddenly become devotees of Fox News. But I think they're getting their news from alternative places, people they can trust.

Well, the other thing that COVID did, in addition to people feeling like they were lied to, is that they saw how effortlessly people would take away their civil liberties and destroy businesses and destroy financial and freedoms. And without any concerns, just do it. And damage children. I mean, ruin, yeah, especially the most vulnerable. They would just go, they would go that direction with nowhere. near sufficient justification medically or scientifically to do what they did.

And so that for a lot of people was really like, okay, this is, we cannot forget that. That totalitarian instinct and the defense of our civil liberties have got to come first. Listen, you've been very kind with your time. Go ahead. No, I'm sneezing. Sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed that.

But you're very kind with your time today. But I want to speculate a little bit, maybe this is even an unfair question, but where are things going? How do you imagine this all plays out? I mean, to me, one of the, I mean, there's a grand jury being assembled or have been assembled, I guess. And like I said, half the country doesn't even kind of know or believe or I don't understand how this all plays out. Well, I think that the Trump administration is being quite systematic and orderly about trying to create accountability. It's certainly what the American people demand, certainly President Trump supporters. They really wanted it in his first presidency, but he decided deliberately to be merciful to Hillary Clinton.

I mean, he had, you know, there was all sorts of evidence that they could have gone after her and his supporters were chanting, lock her up at his rallies, and he decided the country needed to heal that this wasn't good. And in return, you know, they just committed all sorts of lawfare and atrocities against him. So he understands now that there needs to be accountability for there to be deterrence. And that has been characterized as retribution by his detractors. But whatever way you call it, there will be some sort of accountability legally. And part of that we're seeing just last week, Ed Martin, who's a pretty pit bull lawyer,

he's actually in the DOJ in charge of the de-weaponization investigations. He was made a special attorney by Attorney General Pam Bondi, and he is in charge of these investigations into both Adam Schiff, now California Senator Adam Schiff and also the New York Attorney General Letitia James for mortgage fraud. There are two grand juries, one for Schiff in Maryland, one for James in Virginia,

looking at these allegations that they had got favourable loan terms by classifying one of their residences, as their principal home. And, you know, these are serious charges. People have gone to jail for them. They do carry jail terms of up to 30 years. And then there's also, you know, there have been criminal referrals from the CIA

and from the DNI, from Telsie Gabbard and John Ratcliffe, to the Department of Justice on looking into people like John Brennan and James Clapper for their role in Russiagate, and potential perjury, and even there is talk of conspiracy charges. So I think there will be a lot of criminal referrals, and there's a strike force that Pam Bondi has put together of attorneys that are focused specifically on looking into this conspiracy or perjury charges.

Because what happened, it's not just, you know, a political dirty trick. What it did was it sabotaged Donald Trump's first presidency. It also caused many people to lose their livelihood, to lose their jobs, their careers, to commit suicide. It poisoned one half of the country against the other. And, you know, theoretically, it led to the Ukraine war. So these are not trifling sins that have been committed. and they certainly need to be wrongdoers brought to account.

I'm guessing, speaking of the Ukrainian war, we're going to learn more by reading your book The Big Guy. Can you give us some sketch of what's in there? Yeah, the big guy is really, it's a follow-up to the first book, Laptop from Hell, which was just telling you the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop and how it showed that Joe Biden lied when he said he had nothing to do with his son's overseas, business dealings. In fact, he was an integral part of this influence peddling operation that the Biden family took from small-time Delaware to around the world when Joe Biden was vice

president and raked in millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars from China and Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and so on. And the big guy is, I never intended to write an update to that book, but there was so much that came out with whistleblowers, with congressional investigations, with the Twitter files about the cover-up of the Biden corruption. And so really that takes you into Donald Trump's first impeachment over asking questions of the then-president, new President Zelensky, about the Biden family's sort of money-raking in Ukraine. and particularly about Joe Biden, something he boasted about ordering the firing of the prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt energy company that was paying Hunter Biden a million dollars a year.

So all of that was really poisoning, you know, the relationship between, I guess, Ukraine and Donald Trump, but between with the Russia gate hoax between Russia and America. And in fact, when Trump was first president, he bent over backwards to show that he wasn't beholden to Putin or Russia. He was probably tougher than he might have been. I think he held some hope that he could normalize relations between America and Russia, which was not an unusual thing. I mean, I remember that under Obama, Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State, was trying to reset the relationship with Russia. So, anyway, that was what he wanted to do. never was able to do

and then under Joe Biden there was a lot of provocation of Russia and here we are and my last question is and we're going to go to a Casey Meister in just a second we talk about mental health and young people

my last question is you know you keep hearing that the world is judging us how does the world see us in your opinion I find it really disturbing. I spent half my life in Australia. Australians have become more and more anti-American. I see that also in parts of Europe and New Zealand and elsewhere.

And I feel in a way that it's because the sort of Trump deranged media in America, that is really the filter through where. the rest of the world views America and it's very self-loathing and particularly, you know, caricatures Trump as being just a complete lunatic. And so I think that's damaging. But then also, you know, Donald Trump is trying to clean up Washington, D.C. And I think overseas visitors come to Washington or come to New York and think, why has this, the richest country in the world so bountiful and with so many riches to share and so many achievements, why does it have homeless people and beggars mentally ill,

drug-addicted people on the streets of New York, of Washington? Why are we locking up our toothpaste so that, you know, the out-of-control shoplifting and other signs of disorder don't run rampant? I think it's sort of inexplicable to the rest of the world. well those of us that live in it understand it very deeply to California invented all this and so I understand it more than most but okay well I really appreciate you coming in and explaining such interesting material to us I hope you will come back this is something that requires like constant vigilance and tune-ups and reporting and getting the facts straight because again if people you know want to have conversations with other people, you have to kind of know the facts and you can't just jump to these sort of simplistic ideas that so many are jumping to. It's complicated and the facts are the facts and make of them as you will. Miranda, is there any place else you'd like to send people

other than X? I know, just the New York Post website and my new podcast, Pod Force One. You can find that on YouTube or Amazon or Apple, wherever you get your podcast. Yeah, congratulations on the pot. It's great and particularly I love the Tulsi interview. So thank you so much. Thanks so much. Read Miranda Devine in the New York Post today.

There she is. There you go. I guess Donald Trump is noticing you. So there you go. Thank you. All right, my friend. Thank you so much for being here. All right. We are going to switch gears yet again. We've gone some stem cells to reporting on Russia Gate. What's the matter, Susan? You're shaking your head

of me. Lots of good stuff. Lots of good stuff. stuff. Now, I want to explain what this next topic is. This is an organization that Susan and I have supported for decades. I've always said that if there could be 10,000 or even just a thousand of these hillsides, it's called hillsides. Hillsides.org is where you can find out more about it. We had a thousand organizations like that. The mental health problems in this country would be brought to nil. They They have been historically a therapeutic learning environment. They've morphed over the years into providing different and more and more intensive services.

And now they have opened up a residential program for older children and teens. And we have Casey Meister here to talk a little bit about the program. It said migrants too. At risk migrant. At risk youth generally. I was wondering if they would get a lot of the at risk migrants. Interesting. Well, you can ask questions of her. Here she is. Casey, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me and for all your support over the years.

It's been our privilege. And Casey, am I getting the pronunciation of your last name? Mikester. Is that correct? Yeah, you got it right. Okay, good. So I think the first thing we wanted to discuss was how do you know when a young person should be coming to more structured, almost a separate living environment from say their family of origin, you know, when do they really need, and when do they need psychiatric care and when did they need outpatient care? People get very confused about this. And my experience has been they always wait until a crisis. Yeah, I mean, it's a big decision for a family to make.

And there's a lot of misconception on what residential treatment is. A lot of families think of it as an institution or as a hospital setting. But it can be really a healing and life-saving treatment. So what we usually tell families is if you're experiencing something with your child that is impacting daily life, if they're not being successful in a school setting, if they're having challenges at home or in their community, and other levels of treatment haven't been helpful. So maybe you've tried school counseling, maybe you've tried traditional outpatient therapy, and you're not seeing any relief, residential can be a good outcome for you. because not only does it provide intensive 24-7 treatment for the child or adolescent who's coming into care, it also creates some respite for the family to disrupt the crisis state that they're in. And I always tell parents that, you know, if you have a child who's at a full grade point drop or more,

who's changed their peer group, have changed their nutritional intake, changed their sleep pattern, change their dressing, whatever they tell you, or even without patient services, Whatever you're hearing is going on, there's just a tiny, there's more and more and more and more. It takes quite a bit to unravel the, you know, you're just pulling on a thread on a knitted sweater, usually. That's such a good point. You know, by the time the symptoms are really visible and hard to treat, that's usually at the later stage of when the onset of the symptoms have started. And especially now, you know, there's a lot of secrecy and online platforms within social media, maybe peer groups that parents aren't even aware of. So there could be a lot that is unknown to you as a parent that could be really contributing to the symptoms or interfering with their ability to really benefit from the treatment that they are being offered.

Are there any just as a sort of a little headline here, are there any things that you're seeing, trends you're seeing right now that you want parents, to be aware of that sort of is sort of part of this new world that tri-adolescents live in? I mean, I definitely think that we're seeing a lot of very complex anxiety and depression presentations. And I, you know, it used to be that the safest place for children were in their homes. And in a lot of cases right now, that could be the most unsafe setting because they have access to the World Wide Web. So with parents, you know, we really want them to lean in to really understand who the peer groups, who the influences are, how their child is spending their time, maybe what they're researching, you know, what they're learning about in terms of what their symptoms are. Oftentimes kids are Googling or reaching out about what they're experiencing and they could be getting misinformation. They could be getting helpful information too.

but we really want parents to like lean in, observe what's going on, and to seek out support. There's really effective treatments, just like the program that we offer in Pasadena, California. You know, parents can can get help for it. And it's never too late to really lean in and address what's going on because it could be life-saving, as I mentioned. You know, we have a lot of children and adolescents who have had suicide attempts, who are at risk of suicidality, who are experiencing really, extreme bullying. And they need help and early intervention or addressing that before it becomes problematic can be so critical for young people. And Susan, did you have a question? I want to

hear about the Hillsides program just a second, but I saw you saying something. Oh, I noticed in the blurb, it said that you're dealing with the migrant children. Did you have a big influx of them during this whole experience of people coming over the border and all that? Yeah, I mean, for our residential campus, we for the last few years, have been able to work with undocumented children and adolescents who have come through the system and even throughout hillsides in all of our programs. You know, we work with any, you know, what's a common thread through all of our services is just providing mental health treatment, housing, outpatient residential.

So we were able in the last few years to be more targeted and our ability to work with refugees and undocumented children. But that's shifted a little bit in the recent months. And how do the services get paid for? I know things might get more restrictive with the way Medicaid is going these days. And the county in the past has always picked up a lot of this. How do the services get paid for? Yeah, so for our newest program where we provide the residential and day treatment programming,

we actually work with all the major health plans. So we work with private insurance companies like Kaiser Anthem, you know, whatever the family may have. We also work with school districts. And some of our programs, we are able to work with county funded Medi-Cal services. We also have worked with private pay or we've done single case agreements. So we get really creative to make sure that. that payment is a barrier to treatment. And tell us more about the program.

What is it? Who goes there? What are you doing there in this new program? So in our new program, we have three levels of care. So we have the most intensive, which is residential. So that provides 24-7 care and supervision to children as young as six all the way up to 17. And I want to stop you. And just say it so and just make sure everybody understands the full spectrum of

of mental health services. So it could be substance, it could be depression, it could be, you know, non-neuronorbative sort of issues, right. Yeah, so we, yeah, we work with everything primarily, we're primarily mental health. So all the children and adolescents who will come to our program will have a primary mental health diagnosis, but we do work with young people who also have neurodevelopmental.

They might have disordered eating at risk of substance use or substance use disorders as well. So we do provide individual group and family therapy, psychiatry and medication support. We have nurses on site because we also will work with young people who might be insulin dependent diabetic or have seizure, history of seizure disorders. So we are able to support any of those sort of medical challenges that might come along with it. So the residential program is unique because it's out of the home. So while they're receiving treatment, they're actually living with us in a dorm-style cottage, and they're in a therapeutic environment with trained team members. Generally, in this new program, the length of stay is about 30 days. So it's a relatively

short-term time frame where they're receiving very intensive treatment services seven days a week. Families are really involved. We have family therapy, multifamily therapy, visits and activities for our families to participate in. And then what's really cool about this program is we also offer the step-down services. So we also have day treatment. So once you graduate from the residential level of care, you can move into our day treatment program, which is where you still receive six hours of treatment a day,

but you get to go home at night. You get to go home on the weekends. And then there's another step down from there, which is three hours a day. So we are able to provide that continuity of care so that as they're recovering and healing from it, they can kind of slowly reintegrate back into their families, back into the schools that they were attending.

So it's a really a great treatment option, you know, and it is considered higher level of care. So it's really meant for children and adolescents who are in a mental health crisis who might be a danger to themselves or to others or they might be turned away from other less intensive treatment services. Oftentimes they get turned away because of their diagnosis of autism or if they have a history of aggression,

and those things can sometimes disqualify them from treatment. So what we're really proud of. Or just the other medical disorders too sometimes we'll get kicked out. Oh, yeah. We'll get. And I'm guessing you have extensive family therapies too. Yeah, we do have extensive family therapies. We really feel very strongly that we want the family to be involved every step of the way.

So from the very first day of treatment, the family is integrated into all aspects of the care, whether it has to do with medication management and decision making to the development of the treatment plan. We'll often do a lot of skills practice and recovery, psychoeducation. So family members are really involved. You know, a good example of how we include families. There's a lot of the young people who are coming in with a lot of attachments to their screens and to their cell phones. So we'll help with parents in terms of figuring out what are appropriate doses of screen time. How can we help them replace that with something else so we'll partner with the parents so that when they go home they don't have to have that power struggle anymore you ought to think of a program that

you could do for just people to anybody could access on your website or something because parents ask those questions all the time and for the schools too so but i'm going to lose the studio in a second here Miranda i okay excuse me Miranda i told you i'm going to i switched Miranda to Amanda and then Casey to Miranda. Okay. So Casey, we're going to lose the studio here in a second, but I do want to sort of push out there the information where people should go if they feel if they have somebody or know somebody who could be benefited from these services. I want also my audience to know that go to hillside.org, support this organization. They just, they have literally 140 years now of extraordinary services to the community and to young

people. We got involved with them early and often, and they've never been other than the absolute top of the heap in terms of the quality of services that they provide. And I'm going to hear more about this as it goes along. We'll kind of keep updating on this program. Where should people go if they want to hear more? Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, please go to the hillsides. We also have a dedicated intake line at 323-3-1-6-9-8-30. And so we have dedicated team members that can help answer all your questions about your family. Say that again. Do it again? So it's 323-3-3-1-6-9-8-30.

Got it. Okay. Well, Casey, thank you so much. I'm trying to think of us any hillsides on Facebook, Hillside's Heels on X and Hillside.org. And, Casey, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me. You got it. All right. Coming up, we will still be in Florida tomorrow, but all things are go to rejoin you guys, Mike.

We're still good to be here tomorrow, yes. All right, good. Upcoming guest, I can't quite read that. It's far enough away from me. Caleb, maybe you can tell me what's coming up. So tomorrow at 1.30 again, 130 Pacific time. We have Tim Young, Alex Marlowe, and Kevin Sayette, I believe is how you say it. On the 19th, we allegedly...

Kevin Sabat. Kevin's a bet from smart... He's the smart marijuana guys that my daughter's... so thoroughly. The 19th, we allegedly have Rosanne, possibly. Yes. Oh, nice. What's that, Susan?

Somebody on Twitch asked at the beginning if they were like 25 and they smoked marijuana and dabs and everything and they feel like they're having mental decline and yeah, no kidding. What could they do? And I just responded, maybe try quitting and see if it gets any better. It takes like a year or the person. 25. No, I mean it.

Like my daughter had that and she literally. after a year she felt better like it took a while but yes it the cannabis is so powerful now some people are really badly affected by it and if he cannot stop there are 12-step programs just 24 hours a day you know go to an a meeting go to a marijuana anonymous meeting there are people that can help you have been through exactly what you've been through and hearing your story over and over and over again can be very helpful but is there anything that you can take neurologically yes there's a lot of things it could be taken. Yes, I'm not going to make specific. There's actually some research on this right now. But yes, there's a number of things you can take. I don't know if he's still on there.

The big problem, the big problem in cannabis withdrawal is they will not sleep for about three months. And there are things to do with that. And they get somewhat paranoid. And so those things to do for that. Yeah, it's hard. But if you can get off of it in your 20s, you'll be much better off. Oh, yeah. Caleb, maybe Roseanne when now? Roseanne, most likely on the 19th, coming up with Dr. Steph Van Watson on the same day. Then on the 20th, Dr. Kelly Victory is filling in his host with Dr. Ryan Cole. We have Steve Hilton on the 26th, on 28th, Skid Row with Art Kleinsmith. And then on September 4th.

Art just had some knee surgery. No, he's going to come in probably Zoom, but we will actually end up walking Skid Row in October. But he's the head of SAMHSA, the Substance Abuse Mental Health Services Association. So we need another guest with him. And lastly, lastly on the fourth is Salty Cracker for Drew's birthday. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I hope we don't have jury duty that day. I'm praying that you don't get it on your birthday.

Drew and I have to go to jury duty the same day. I know we get punished for being honest. That's the problem. But I want to get it. I've always wanted to be on a jury. Oh, well, you can go on my step. But Drew will probably get called in and I'll just sit there with the homeless people and not get called.

Well, we thank you all for being here. We thank our guest today. Let me look at the restream to chats really quick to see what you guys are up to. Susan, anything in the rants or the chats that we should hear about? Well, that one guy who was asking about pot. Okay. I smoked weed since I was 15. Some can't handle it.

Yep, that's true. And some people get psychics. When I was 20, I'm 25 now. Some fogginess is gone, but memory is not what it was. Oh, he did quit. So, sorry, Will. When did he stop? when he was 20.

Now he's 25. Five years later would not have continued to a fact, no. But is there anything you can do? Like, take. That's something else. You should get a neurological evaluation for sure. But that's not the cannabis.

It's sort of interesting, though, because like everybody says alcohol is so bad for you, but pot's okay. And, you know, cocaine's bad for you. But pot's okay. No, not if you're an addict. You have to stop everything. But the memory problems that he's describing are more common. from stimulants, particularly

meth. But if he's on, you know, one of the things that will happen with cannabis addict, people very often get put on wellbutrin, and well, butrin causes memory problems. So, it makes me wonder if he's on deprecretion. So all right. That makes sense.

Is he in the chat room there? Can he, is he hearing this? I don't know. He's, I think it's the same guy. I'm pretty sure. He's on Twitch. Right. He has a cute little puppy dog. We've got to run here, guys. We've overstayed our welcome.

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