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Top DNC Insider Now Fundraising For Trump: Why Lindy Li Left The Left + Janice Fiamengo Ph.D. on Radical Feminism – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 669

September 25, 20260 comments♥ 0
00:01 Lindy Lee joins us, she raised millions for Joe Biden and even Kamala Harris. She was not just a member of the Democratic Party. She was an optive. She was a leader. She had run for Congress. She is now writing a book that is a bestseller about this experience. She's here to share it with us today. The book is called Unburdened.
00:20 I suggest you check it out. Her story is, you know, when the history is written, we will learn from these experiences. There was a lot hidden from us. I think if anything, COVID taught us that. And poor Lindy had to go through the whole experience of cancellation that many of us had to go through. But the sci-up has been odd. And you can always tell when a si-up is operating
00:42 when you have people with reasonable points of view who get crushed. And we'll be joined by Janice Flamingo, a retired University of Ottawa English professor who earned her PhD in feminist literature and theory. But after confronting some of her own beliefs, she found lies and inconsistencies and hatred towards men and she changed. She's the author of the goddess that failed.
01:09 Writing could be found at Substack, Flamingo File, F-L-A-M-E-N-G-O-File.Substack.com. And Lindy-N-D-Y-L-I-O-N-X. And at the end of the show, a lot of energy, a lot of ink being spilled, as they say, on Kratum and seven hydroxy, seven hydroxy mitrogene, I will tell you all about it. This is not new. This is shocking to me that people are just getting to this. This has been going on for years. Yes, that you can get an opiate at your local head shop or your local gas station.
01:43 It is super crazy to me that all of a sudden, well, two young people died in Ole Miss, two college students and is looking like that might be a Kratum event. Not a surprise to me. Creatum Addiction has been alive and well for quite some time. Starting with Lindy Lee after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction.
02:13 Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for, I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time.
02:28 Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble. You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Lindy's new book is Unburdened. Follow her on X at Lindy Lee.
02:51 Lindy and I shared a dais down in Florida about two years ago, I think, with Jillian Michaels and Anna Kasparian. And who else was in there? Lindy was just the four of us? There's somebody else, too. But she got fired. I know. So let's start with unburdened, okay? As much as you're willing to tell us about the book without burying, you know, not revealing too much, I want people to read the book.
03:25 But there, I've told you that I listened to your interview with Dave Rubin and I was, my jaw was on the ground, all the things you bore witness to. It's literally history. So tell us about the book. Dr. Drew, thank you so much, first of all, for having me. You are phenomenal. And I caught one thing in your intro. You said you should go seek treatment before you kill somebody that is more impression than ever given the Lindsay Clancy trial.
03:50 You were always like decades ahead of everybody. So I just wanted to point that out. This book is more than just about politics. It is about a decade of my life embedded in a deeply corrupt machine and the cost. And the toll it took and the personal cost that I continue to pay, actually. It's something that I'm still contending with that's not in the past. This is very much my present. And I detail everything that they did to me for simply speaking the truth that everybody could recognize.
04:21 Number one, that Biden was incredibly senile and his brain was deteriorating on the national stage. And number two, Kalma Harris was deeply incompetent. And they wasted $2.5 billion in seven weeks and then destroyed my life. when I dare to ask any questions of accountability around it. But putting all the politics aside, you know, people are coming for the politics. For me, it's a matter of survival. I had to write this book.
04:49 I simply had to write it. It was, this book saved my life in more ways that I can convey. Give us one example of why you had to write it and how that saved your life. Well, people know me. People know I had a really public break with the Democratic Party. And yes, it was herring. People were attacking me on the national stage. So it was for everyone to see.
05:21 They could see that people were vilifying me, making me out to be a criminal, but no one could really identify what the crime was other than speaking up. But beyond that, yes, that was hard, but nothing compares to the pain of losing the people that you love. It is just unimaginable. And I heard you talking about your family getting attacked. And that is part of the cancellation.
05:46 People don't understand this. When they come after you, it's a mob. And it's funny. I wrote a book about this in the early 2000s. And I saw all this narcissistic, all this childhood injury and all the narcissistic defense strategies coming on. And I looked carefully for other periods of history that had that. The only thing I could find was pre-revolutionary France.
06:10 And I thought, oh, there's going to be guillotine. There's going to be mobs. There's going to be guillotine. That was before social media. I didn't know that social media would be the public square in which the cancellation, which is the guillotine, occurs. And now we have Hassan Piker saying publicly, he wants a Mao-style cultural purge. Did you see that video?
06:33 It was unbelievable. I saw that. I saw that and Mao killed my family. so I have no patience for that sort of rhetoric. He actually didn't, Hassan Piker actually did an entire video attacking me. So yeah, there's no love loss there. But just to be clear,
06:48 the Chinese Communist Party under Mao murdered my great-grandfather in his 30s in cold blood. I've never met him, obviously. And he has Trump, CCP has traumatized my family for generations. My father had to go to England to get an education to get his PhD degree and medical decree. So, you know, there's a lot of intergenerational trauma right now, and it feels my strong opposition to the socialism and communism percolating the Democratic Party.
07:24 Not just percolating, celebrate it. Rising to leadership, potentially leadership position. So any of us with any knowledge, of history looks at that with disbelief. You can't even believe it. So what do we do? What is there, as someone who's been in that party deeply involved with it, is there, is there something to be done? I'm doing my part. I don't think anyone who had, has risen to the level that I was at, has been able to write a book like this. For example, Jake Tapper's book was a reporter's book. Everything in that book was secondhand. I was literally there. I'm reading a
08:06 lot of the reviews coming in for my book right now. People are shocked at the names that I name. I'm not holding back. None of it is censored, by the way. God bless my publisher. And everything in my book has been carefully vetted. There are receipts. I back up every single thing. Ashley Biden threatened to sue me two years ago when I first started talking about the decline and I first started naming names. I don't know if you know this, but I was a first person to name the co-presidents of the Biden presidency regime. That would be Anita Dunn, Steve, Roshetti, and Mike Donnellin.
08:40 Ashley Biden put out a rant on her Instagram saying, you know, are you ready? I'm ready to see your ass in court. This is not me like she was just cursing at me. It's been two years, Dr. Drew, and I'm still waiting to this day to hear what exactly I said that was incorrect and what is legally actionable. In fact, the United States Congress has subpoenaed every single book, I mean, every single person that I have named, thus vindicating me.
09:11 They were just mad that I was a first and only person willing to say it. Have you been asked to testify? Well, I reveal for the first time my book that I did in fact testify, but I didn't get asked. I volunteered because that's the right thing to do. You don't force up, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, grudgingly do your part for the United States. You willingly tell the truth for the American people. So yes, I testified on behalf of the House Oversight Committee. This is the first time I've ever said on air. Didn't plan to, but I adore you, Dr. Drew. And here it is. So yes, I worked. I gave two hours of
09:50 testimony to the Chief Counsel of the House Oversight Committee under Congressman James Comer. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. I did not expect to say that. I bet so many. Well, thank you for doing so. I mean, thank you for testifying. Thank you for doing your service. So I have a sort of a, just as a physician, I have a question because I could see at a distance what was happening to President Biden. It was not a mystery. It was, this is a, this is, I take care of lots of old people with Parkinson's and dementia. It's a thing. My only question is, did he already, did they know he had metastatic prostate cancer? Because that's the one thing that is, that's an empty spot in this whole story that if they knew about that also and allowed them to decline with metastatic cancer,
10:39 that's incredible to me. Yeah, Dr. Drew, that is the question, isn't it? And now I still have some mutual friends with the Biden family. They're not talking to me anymore. Ashley used to live on the same street and she always asked to get lunch, but I do still have some mutual friends. And what I'm hearing is Jill Biden is actively telling people she suspected her husband had cancer throughout his presidency. And how did she know? Because he would get up in the middle of the night to pee like eight times. Yeah.
11:12 And so my question is what is the president? Now she didn't disclose this to us in the campaign. She's telling this what? In 2026, she's saying this? It's unforgivable. It makes me wonder, Liddy. It, well, so many frauds have been perpetrated. That's just, that's just a starting point.
11:29 But the, but it makes me wonder, because the care he got is so substandard for a president of the United States that it makes me wonder if they didn't want to look for that for fear that they would find the cancer. Yeah, and I also want to point out who the doctor was during the Biden years. It was a man named Kevin O'Connor, okay? And it turns out, I'm not sure people are aware of this. He is a dear, dear friend of the Biden family.
11:59 You can't have a chummy associate telling the American people that you're fit as a fiddle and capable of running a second term. This is a man who was in business with Joe Biden's brother. Of course, he has invested interest in continuing the Biden presidency. So, Dr. Drew, we never had an objective person in there actually assessing Biden's condition. It was basically a family stooge. Yeah, I saw that guy and he kept talking. I'm like, who is this guy?
12:29 This guy doesn't know what he's talking about it. Now, forget the fact that he had this sort of business. motivation. He's not the guy to be doing this. So I don't know. And he and he had authority above the military team. I was just like, this is insane. So again, it just seemed totally crazy to me. But also crazy is the Kamala Harris story. What's wrong with Kamala Harris? I mean, is it the Peter principle? Has she just risen? Well, we can go another 20 minutes or so. but has she risen above her ability to, you know, she's risen above her ability?
13:05 Because when she speak, even just yesterday I saw some footage of her speaking. And I thought, wow, you know, one of the main qualities a leader needs is oration, is rhetoric. You have to get up and speak clarity and lead people and persuade people. And this is, it's a bunch of words she strings together with no sentences. Crazy. That's exactly right. And I do tell my book that she used to get. mad at my friends who are like her, you know, her chief staff and deputy chief of staff,
13:34 she would get mad at them for her inability to adequately absorb the talking point she was given. So, Dr. Jew, I know you're like this too because you're incredibly, you know, you're brilliant and you don't need to be spoon-fed talking points. I, for one, never prepare because if you're telling the truth, then why do you need to prepare? You're just recounting what happens to you're right. It's not as though you need to like get your back straight. Or when you know what you're talking about. When you know what you're talking about, you're speaking the truth. What do you prepare? You've been preparing your whole life. Exactly. I don't need to keep track of what I said last week because what I said last week is what happened to me. But with Kamala Harris, it's a different
14:10 story. And I know because, you know, her staff are people my age. I'm familiar with what happened. She used to throw fits and get really irritated at folks when she did a bad job. And it became so bad that after she face planted during her Lester Hall NBC interview, in which she laughed about not going to Europe when he asked, why did she go to the southern border? She basically withdrew from Public View for a year. And during that time, I would get daily talking points from her team. I kid you not. They would email me.
14:42 Spoon ready made tweets. I could just plop in. By the way, I never listened to them once. I don't do that. Like, good luck trying to control me. But I'm not anyone's figurehead. But they would send me tweets hoping that I would tweet on their behalf. for any given topic.
14:58 And it would be incredibly nauseating stuff. Like, oh, she's so great on reproductive rights. Oh, she's so great on whatever, whatever it is. But she wasn't able to do any interviews with anyone outside of the MSNBC CNN sphere. Because her mind cannot be dependent on to come up with a quick-witted and compelling answer. Impromptu. That's obvious. I just imagined what you were witnessing with her staffers
15:29 and in the vice presidential offices was an episode of VEP. I just imagined the episode of VEP. That's what I, that's what he's all sort of shaped up to me. Yeah, let me tell you a joke that she used to tell, by the way. And it was a little concerning. At the time, I thought it was really cute.
15:45 Two things, though. So I used to go to the Naval Observatory, like on a monthly basis, and she always gave me a lavish gift. I thought it was cute. I mean, it's kind, but then I'm like, who's paying for this? And it occurred to me that the American taxpayer is paying for this. So one time I got a really lavish candle.
16:03 It's like a really heavy candle. And it was monogrammed and engraved with her signature and Doug's signature. And I had a photo. The Naval Observatory was stencil on the candle itself. It was a really expensive gift. Wow. And that was on the bill of the American taxpayer. I didn't need that gift.
16:22 But the reason why she was going all out for the donors, or donors like me, it wasn't out of the kindness of her heart. She was getting ready for 2024. She was using these objects as a way to curry favor with the people that she knew she would need to become president. That's number one. Number two, she used to tell this off color joke. She would never do it in public, but she used to tell it all the time. And then everyone around me would laugh on cue and I would just be standing there.
16:51 But as she was standing in front of the Naval Observatory, she'd be like, oh, but I live in federal public housing too, cackle, cackle. You know what I mean? It's not even a funny joke, but she was poking fun at federal public housing. There are some, you know, people who actually need that housing to survive. And she was mocking them because we fund her residence. You understand what I'm saying? It's, and she thought she was so far.
17:21 That's a, it's a, you'll see that that'll show up on an episode of Vee. That kind of thing would show up there for sure. Is that after a two martini lunch? You haven't watched enough episodes of Vee because that's how they, that's how the character plays things in that. It's funny you bring up Vee because Julia Luis Stryphus used to do a lot of her events. She's very much embedded in the liberal galaxy. I actually, she congratulated me once on X because I worked with her in some Wisconsin thing. But that whole, whole Hollywood.
17:51 is completely in cahoots with, well, I mean, you know that. But I would go to, for example, I went to a brunch by Kamala Harris's swimming pool. And next to me was Mindy Kailing. And I actually didn't even know was Mindy Killing because at that time she lost a drastic amount of weight. And then I was like, wait, are you Mindy Kaling? And it turns out she was. So like they spent all their time hobnobbing with celebrities rather than engaging with
18:15 American people. I'm going to take a little break here. When we get back, I want you to give me some thoughts. on what like why can't I'm a super moderate I you talk to Dave Rubin about some of your you know positions these days politically and you're actually way right of me I'm just I'm pretty easy going and pretty moderate and that and but I am I'm just baffled I'm gobsmacked about one thing is why Democrats can't seem to understand human motivation how humans work, reality itself.
18:59 Why can't somebody bring them back to reality, quite literally? And if not, do we have to form a new party or something? I mean, how do we deal with this? Included in that is the whole DSA thing and the lack of understanding of history. So you're smiling, good, you'll have something to say. We'll come back right after this with Lindy Lee. So as the age, most men notice that they're not getting the same workout results they used to. But a lot of guys are reaching for synthetic hormones. Yes, some guys do get hormone
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22:59 It's the DSA versus the DNC. And having been on the inside, I'm telling you something that people might not realize. The DNC hates the DSA. Like, they hate AOC. When I was taking part in organizing and hosting elite fundraisers at the very, the highest echelon of the DNC, the squad was banned, to be very clear. I think that would shock some people to hear because like them or I hate them, And I happen to, you know, lean the other way.
23:28 The energy of the party is all on the progressive side right now. Nobody cares about the Chuck Schumers, Nancy Pelosi's, they're Joe Biden's at the party. It's all with AOC and her squad. But the elite of the Democratic Party, they want nothing to do with AOC. They see her as completely in opposition to their own values. And so what needs to be done? I mean, how do you prevent these people? I mean, they're talking about tearing up the American Constitution to settle
23:58 centrally. And as Victor David Hanson said, he goes, who are you? These people fought and died for that constitution. Who are you to step in here and just tear it up? Absolutely. And I'm a naturalized American. I came to our amazing country when I was five years old from England. Let me tell you, people don't understand how incredible and precious our constitution is.
24:23 The American experiment is the greatest human achievement ever. And these people obviously have no idea how good we have it. I want them to survive for even a day. Like they should be shipped to Gaza or the Middle East and see how they fare there. Or even in communist China. Let's see how they actually do there before trashing our country. They trash our country all day long. They have no idea how good we have.
24:53 and how amazing America is. And despite our faults, America remains the strongest, most powerful, most extraordinary country in human history. I will go to my grave with that point of view. So I have two questions remaining. Amen. Yeah, Susan's in there. I love it.
25:14 Her dad fought in the South Pacific. My dad fought in the Korean War. I mean, people laid it down for this country. Yeah. You mentioned what you're talking, Dave. Rubin about how the South Carolina, I think Senator Clyburn, was so central in supporting Biden and that he was the source of most of the DEI recommendations with all the DEI energy was really coming out of that guy because he really was responsible for Biden getting into office.
25:45 Just politically, that's what happened. My question is, where did all the transgender energy come from? Was there somebody driving that? There certainly was. thing on James Clyburn because I want to give you a tidbit for your guests. I reveal my book for the first time that James Clarman was also the man behind the Harris endorsement that came 30 minutes after Biden's initial exit. Biden was dragging his feet. Did not want to endorse her. Did not want to endorse. I cannot emphasize enough. Jill Biden still has not forgiven Kamala Harris to this day for what
26:18 Kamala said on June 28th, 2019 in the debate stage, namely that Biden is essentially a racist. I don't I don't know if you remember, but there was a busing. There was a huge thing over the busing. So Jill is still mad at Kamala and never forgave her. But James Clyburn said, you need to do something historic, blah, blah, blah, the whole DEI thing. Same thing. But James was also the architect behind the endorsement. In terms of the trans stuff, oh, boy, okay, where'd I even get started? You would be surprised, but actually maybe you wouldn't. You'd just be like, oh, that makes sense.
26:49 in terms of the staff around Kamla, most of which, most of whom I worked with, they were almost all LGBTQIA plus. And that's how they identified themselves. Each year the abbreviation got longer. They went from calling me Asian American. I'm American by the way. I'm not hyphenated. I'm just American. But they went from calling me Asian American to A-A-A-N-H-I.
27:15 I'm sure this year the abbreviation somehow even longer. But it's just ridiculous, this woke stuff. But the people around Kamala were transgender, were deeply woke, were deeply DEI. These were 20 or 30-somethings running the country. Same thing in the White House. There was a cabal of people who were hijacking the guest lists. So everybody invited to the White House also embraced the same ideology. It was kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
27:46 It's the same people. same people attending the White House events. It got so bad, in fact, that the biggest donors of the party were too much, who were much more stable, you know, like 50, 60-year-olds who weren't into the trans stuff, they complained about being excluded. So a part of it was just the complete hijacking of the Biden-Harris agenda because Biden was so weak that he couldn't push back. And so what, I'll ask again, what needs to be done with the Democratic Party? How do we restore it? How do we form a new party? Is it beyond, you know, reproach?
28:23 My prognosis of the situation right now is that the DSA is so virulent and insidious, that's basically tantamount to a parasite attaching to a host. I think that is the correct metaphor for the situation. It is so bad and the party doesn't know what to do with it. So after the 2024 election, I was the first one to say that they were 20, million dollars in debt. Somebody in the party actually released a press release saying I was a liar and that I was lying about it. Guess what, Dr. Drew? Months later, they filed a form with the FEC report saying they were $20 million in debt. No, sorry. Of course. And also, they put up their building
29:01 up as collateral. There's so much in debt. So they don't, they don't have the resources and the warthal to launch a counterattack to the DSA. They're kind of just being passive about it because there's no leadership. Ken Martin, the DSA, DNC chair, whom I know, cries at the slightest provocation. They have no competent leadership. I mean, there's nobody there right now. Interesting. And then lastly, Caleb, you had a question that I didn't fully understand. I'm going to have you. Oh, wait, let me ask, let me have Caleb do it first. I'll get Susan a chance. Get Susan's first. It was someone who asked a question in the comments. Let me find it real quick.
29:37 Okay, Susan first. So you were talking about all the crazy ideas. with the woke. What percentage of the people that were working there were rolling their eyes and going, oh my God, and what's going on here and had common sense in this party? When you say there, you mean the DNC? You mean the White House? Like your colleagues or whatever. Like you're, you obviously have common sense and you're calling things out, right? But what percentage of people just kept their jobs and they were rolling their eyes and they're watching this? But they just didn't agree with it. Yeah. I detailed two things. Number one, accidentally, I was having dinner with Doug Mhoff, Kamala's husband, and I accidentally said something that was pro-law
30:16 enforcement, just because that's just what I believe. Like, I believe on being tough on crime. And my partner at the time squeezed my hand on the table, and he's like, don't say that, don't say that. So that's number one. So at the most elite level, there was definitely some sympathy towards the woke stuff. Number two, at the final dinner on October 13th, and I'm sorry, I have a freaky memory. And Dr. Drew, you know something about hippocampuses. I think I have a very strong robust in full campus. But on October 13th, 2024, we were down at the Ritz Carlton
30:46 for the final donor dinner with Kamala Harris. Josh Shapiro was a keynote speaker. Guess who else was his keynote speaker? There were two of them. You would never guess because it's so wild. So these were supposed to be the heroes of the Democratic Party. The first one I can understand
31:00 because 2028, Josh is a potential contender. That makes sense, right? The second speaker was... What did you say? The guy from Maine? What's his name? Oh, at that time, he was a nobody then. I'm talking about, like, right around Kamla's time.
31:17 The second speaker was none other than Congresswoman Sarah slash Tim McBride. And when she came on stage, everyone stood up and gave her a standing ovation. And I didn't. I just sat in my chair. And at the next opportunity I left, they treated her like a conquering hero. All for what? Transitioning? Like, I don't understand what legislative achievement
31:43 warranted, married her that level of praise. Like, people were, like, cheering and, like, you know, shouting her name and praise. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly she did. They all believed this stuff? What do you mean? Like, were they just doing it because it's protocol? That's what I couldn't figure out, though.
32:02 These are the most elite people of the Democratic Party. Let me give you one. The person next to me founded Zillow. Like Zillow, the real estate. site. So this is not riffraff off the street. This is like multi-millionaires. I couldn't figure out like, yeah, sorry. They're true believers. There's a bit of a lag. They're true believers. I mean, it just blows my mind that there wasn't more common sense. Like it was just a free for all. You got to. Susan, I understand it. How many of them were pretending and how many of them truly
32:35 believed it. So you were thinking that too, right? That's why I left. I was like, I was like, I'm sorry, I can't do this anymore. Interesting. I think they were their true believers. I think, you know, much like when you take a point of view that begs no alternative, let's say flat earth, you build a social environment around you and relationships and status built on that flat earth. We all support each other and that. And the fact of the matter is this is a similar thing. And so they're applauding each other for, you know, for this defending, for defending this new insight into the human experience.
33:21 That's true. But I have to tell you also, Senator the late Diane Feinstein, our van for Congress as a 24-old, she endorsed me. And I was in the car. I was actually coming home from Dublin with her billionaire husband, Richard Blum, at the time. and we were caught in traffic and had a chance to talk about these social issues. And he was telling me, this is actually what he told me. He said, Diane and I aren't actually that left, but we have no choice. That's where the party is.
33:56 So I'm thinking like... Oh, that sounds like a CCP type thing. Like, that's what you would do in survive and, you know, amongst, you. I want to be a party member. I believe everything you say. That's it. I have no choice. Yeah, that's exactly right.
34:14 I mean, they kill my great-grandfather for it. Yeah, I know keenly. And the masking was a similar delusion, right? Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Dr. Drew, I used to host events with Biden and Harris, and I helped to lead an event with Federman. It was around 2022. It was at the Union Trust in Philadelphia. It was right around Philly. I remember it was right around the Philly season because Biden made a really stupid joke about how he needed to leave before the Phillies traffic because he was already hemorrhaging votes. He made the same joke depending on the season. If it was baseball season, he would say the Phillies. If it was football season, he would say the Eagles. He wasn't really clever with his jokes. He would recycle them based on the season. But putting that aside, it was Federer in there.
35:06 and also Joe Biden. And we had to run through a gauntlet to even get to the front door. Like they did nasal swabs, both nostrils. They did, they checked our temperature. They gave us bracelets. We had to sign attestation forms two years after the pandemic. I kid you not. Three years after the pandemic, we had to do that at the White House.
35:29 And I was standing outside of the White House. It was another, it was a house outside of the White House. And I found myself next to the guy from Lost. I don't know if you've seen the TV show, the Asian dude from Lost. He was there getting nasal swabs with me. This is three years after the pandemic. Like, I understand having a measure of caution,
35:49 like maybe the first year of the pandemic. But three years after pandemic, having to go to that arduous level of caution is just extreme and kind of cartoonish. It's insane. It's cartoon, exactly. Somebody sent as a super chat asking what happened to Act Blue and funding. Oh my gosh.
36:09 Okay. So Act Blue takes 4% of every transaction, which is basically they're stealing money. That is a lot of money. Think about it. I know I'm Asian, but I suck at math. But 4% of $1 billion is still a lot. That's the right. I know that much.
36:24 So she raised $2.5 billion times 4 times 0.04. That's a hell of a lot of money going to firms like Act Blue. going to firms like NGP Van. The Democratic Party uses two platforms, NGP Van and Act Blue. And Act Blue has foreign ties. Act Blue is not an up-and-up firm. I'm trying to be very careful, you know, with my language here.
36:49 Everything I've said is, I mean, is true. So I'm going to be very measured with my language. I would not work with Act Blue because of their shady foreign ties, period. In fact, there was... Caleb, finish your thought. or then Caleb, you asked your question. Speaking of foreign ties, there was a foreign spy, literal foreign spy, and I do mention it my book.
37:12 He tried to give $25,000 to my event. I returned it. I was like, I'm sorry, I can't accept your money because you're a foreign spy. I literally said that. And he tried to say, he's like, no, I'm an upstanding American. I was like, basically try not being a foreign spy then. I'm sorry. I care about the integrity of my event.
37:32 But it just goes to show that people were latching onto the Biden campaign in an attempt to curry favor and to try to finagle their way in. But, yeah, I mean, I would have been, I'm sure. In other way. So, Caleb. Not through you. Yeah. Yeah. So the other question, someone had asked, they sent a super chat on YouTube.
37:53 And they're asking if you've seen the red, green alliance operating within the Democratic Party and how much control does it have? So much control. So much control. A lot of the staffers that I worked with told me privately, in fact, in my living room, like in this room where I'm speaking to you now, she came over during the Harris campaign and told me how distraught she was because Kamala Harris kind of hinted that she would break from Biden on the Israel issue, but she didn't. She didn't. There was no daylight. And so for the first couple, the first two weeks you guys must remember, there was hysteria. People were so excited about her. And a lot of that was propelled by people my age. Like people, in their 20s and 30s, who were excited at the prospect that maybe she would herald a different perspective on Gaza,
38:38 but she didn't. And that's why the energy quickly deflated. But you would be surprised at how much anti, let me try to be nice about it. How much anti-Israel sentiment there is in the Democratic Party right now.
38:55 In fact, I think the DSA is just like basically openly anti-semitic. I just think they're just like openly anti-Semitic at this point. Seems like it.
39:10 It seems like it. Certainly anti-Israel government. So we'll see if a government changes if they change their tune. But Lindy, I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your sharing what you've seen with this. And I appreciate the book. And if you all aren't convinced, you need to read this
39:24 book. I don't know what it's going to take. Because this is history being written in real time. And a lot of us... It's more interesting the book. A lot of people I speak to. But a lot of people I speak to have lots of question marks over their head. Like, huh, what?
39:39 Trying to make sense of these things that don't make sense. And you help us make sense of so much by really showing us what happened, how it happened, who the players were. And again, much like COVID, everybody, we have to make sure it never happens again. We've got to fight for the Constitution. We've got to fight for freedom. pretty simple. And by the way, I have no party affiliation.
40:05 I've been up in San Francisco recently, working with Democrats, help them with the homeless thing. They're doing a great job. Good. Fine. If the Democrats start doing a great job again, I'm all in. But so far, I don't know. I'll stay independent. Lindy, what's next for you?
40:19 Where should we look for you? Well, I'm aware as in like physical location. I'm just going to be, I'm actually writing another book. I know I'm not supposed to be. But I'm going to talk my book, next book is going to be about why America is better than China. I know that's a very reductionist point of view, but I think it'll be powerful coming from someone with my background. And it's something that cannot be ignored. I saw the authoritarian regime from the inside. And we need to tell that story as China and the U.S. are locked in this, in this, you know, contest for supremacy.
40:53 And I'm going to do everything in my power. It would be very helpful also. is if you, in addition to that, for sure, that's going to be very valuable, but sort of show how the model of socialism and communism, the logic of it ends up, that's where it ends up, it's where it goes.
41:13 And in a weird way, I mean, it can be worse than what the Chinese Communist Party did. I mean, they're not trying to defend them in any way, but there have been some, my family's Ukrainian. They were running away from the holodomor and Stalin and all that. You know, so it's, it always goes there because you have to force people to participate in this shit. Absolutely right. And eventually the true believers get in.
41:38 We saw you had a sort of the Biden administration, a bunch of true believers. It's when people did, when ideology prevails, humans suffer. That's it. It's very simple. You have to stay in reality. You have to stay local. Take care of your family. You know, limited government, which is what we were all established on here in this country.
41:55 That's, that's how people thrive. that's how things get better. And we've got to make sure there's room for that. I don't know what else we can do except fight for it. So, all right, Lindy, good to see you again. And go buy the book, everybody. Unburdened. Good to see you.
42:09 Thank you so much, my friend. Thank you, Susan. Dr. Drew, you guys are great. Thank you. It's such a good name. It's a good. The book is a good thing? Unburdened by what has been.
42:20 Yeah, I know. You picked up on the joke. Cat Tim said something funny on Godfell last night. She was like, yeah, let it go. We've been saying that for years. How many times do you have to say that? I know.
42:36 They were making fun of the words that she was trying to string together that made no sense of Kamala Harris. Okay, we are going to stay in a similar zone. It's going to be a long show today. I promise you I will get into the Kratum story. You want to stay with me for that. I had a call her, but she dropped off. I know.
42:51 She wasn't talking about Kratum. She wants talking about bone marrow transplants. We want to talk about Kratum and the deaths and those. I want to make sense. We're not going to take it away from you. We just had a little, a couple of children die from taking it, potentially. We don't know yet. I want to make sense of it for you.
43:08 It's in the news. People are all over the place. They don't get it. There are way more dangerous things out there, by the way, that are also legal. And I don't know what it's going to take to raise awareness about that. But the Kratum story is pretty serious as well. and has been serious for years. I've treated Kratum Addiction for years.
43:25 It's not new, everybody. But it does remind us to talk about all the adulterated products that are out there. So, okay, Janice Flamenco, the goddess that failed is her book. You can follow her substack. Let me get it for you guys. Why don't I find the substack, Caleb? Can you put it up there for me? This is weird.
43:46 Oh, there you go. Flamengofile.substack.com. There it is. she now says the movement that she was an academic, she was a important, she was a part of it, which is the feminist movement. She's saying now that it needs to be reformed. Well, more than reformed.
44:07 She's saying it can't be reformed. It needs to be destroyed. Quote, root and branch. This is another great book, The Goddess That Failed. amengo file.substack.com. Janice joins us after this. Dr. Drew here. Fatty 15 was discovered working with the Navy's fleet of dolphins.
44:27 A brilliant veterinary epidemiologist realized that dolphins deficient in this odd chain fatty acid were helped by replacing that fatty acid. They didn't get the conditions. Turns out humans have similar deficiencies. It supports healthy glucose metabolism. It gets into the cell membrane and decreases the pool of available oxidizable species. that can lead to ferroposis. So it is considered the longevity nutrient.
44:54 If you'd like yours, go to doctor.com slash fatty 15. I don't see the profession doing anything to really build trust beside you. Happy to be on here. Thank you for having me. You and I see the world the same way. What is it like for you to be the most chiseled and best-looking man in media? Giving us the information we need. Thank you for the truth.
45:17 My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333-3-D-R-A-W. So I've already gaffed with Janice. I did this and I realized I've been making the mistake over and over again. It's Fiamenko, F-I-A-M-E-N-G-O, F-I-A-M-E-N-G-O. I can't say that enough. I owe her multiple repeats on that. She is a retired university.
45:42 She is a retired University of Ottawa, English professor, PhDs specializing in feminist literature and theory. Janice, apologies for screwing up your name, but we will get people to read the book, The Goddess That Failed. Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much for having me on your show. So describe for us, if you would mind. I'm fascinated by the turn, the change that people go through when they start realizing that reality is different than ideology and that perhaps ideology isn't reality.
46:20 Yes. Well, that certainly happened to me when I started teaching. While I was a student, I was surrounded by feminists in academia and progressivists in general. And so I was very attracted by feminism. I was attracted by the idea that women were the innocent victims of oppressive patriarchal tyrants. and I believed everything that I read about how the whole history of humanity was the history of women valiantly fighting for their rights and, you know, still needing to fight for so many freedoms and for human dignity. And it really wasn't until I started teaching that I realized that it wasn't true. I could see that my female students were not oppressed at all.
47:14 In fact, they were, I'd say, smugly sort of censorious and triumphalist and quite happy to lecture their male peers about their toxic masculinity and about the superiority of female morality and female ways of being. And I could see that the young men in my classrooms were quite abashed. They were certainly not entitled or privileged in any way. In fact, they were being told over and over again that their sex was responsible for everything that was wrong in the world and that they had to bear the burden of all of the things that were wrong in the world and that they should now take a step back and allow their sisters, their female colleagues, to lead us toward a better future. And it just seemed to me that collective vengeance was not the way to build a better society. And I didn't see why young men who had never benefited from patriarchal tyranny, if it had even existed, and who certainly had played no role in it, why they should be punished for it. Right.
48:31 Makes good sense to me. Now, to be fair to the movement, I mean, women's rights are important, and they had been marginal for quite some time. So there's a piece of this, like everything in these movements, it's just when they go too far. There's a piece of this, I would say, is true and good. Am I missing something? Well, I would say, and I argue in my book,
48:55 that although there are reasonable feminists and have been throughout history, there was never a reasonable, moderate feminism that wasn't in some way warped, anti-male animus that wasn't warped by envy and resentment and undergirded by this conviction of female moral superiority. So, for example, if you go way back to the very beginning, 1848, the first women's rights convention at Seneca Falls in New York, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the leader of the American Women's Movement, wrote a declaration of women's rights and women's demands. And she claimed in that declaration, which was called the Declaration of Sentiments, it was modeled on the American Declaration of Independence. She claimed that the whole history of humankind was the history of repeated injury and usurpation on the part of man against woman,
50:00 having as its direct object, the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. And then there was a whole string of statements about all of the things that man had done wrong to woman, including allegedly denying women the opportunity to achieve a higher education. This is at a time, this is 1848. Universities were opening for women all across the United States. Oberlin College, a prestigious institution of higher education, had opened in 1837. There were women at that conference who had grabbed. graduated from Oberlin College. Elizabeth Cady Stanton herself had attended the Troy
50:42 Seminary in New York, which was an elite college for women to guarantee them a higher education equivalent to men. And there were all sorts of claims in the Declaration of Sentiments. People can read it online. It was a fire-breathing declaration of war against men, and it was simply filled with untruths. And that's been the problem with feminism from the the beginning was that it has consistently told women that they are the innocent victims of male tyranny and it isn't true and it miseducates young people about our situation today and a situation in the past. So that is the sort of proximate historical cause. Do you have any sense or do you discuss in the book what made that psychologically attractive or what these sort of underpaintings
51:38 that caused people to jump into it and to amplify and continue to progress from there. Yeah, well, you probably could talk about this with greater knowledge than I can, but I talk in the book about the victim ideology that underpins many revolutionary and utopian movements and that is certainly there in feminism from the very beginning. And it really asserts the innocent victimhood of the, the subject of that revolutionary movement. In this case, women, it encourages women to really dwell on their sense of grievance, you know, really to think about and to have recognized their victimization.
52:25 And what it does is it leaches away empathy from all of those who accept that that is true. And so they can't feel empathy then for anyone who is a member of an oppressor group, and they feel deepened empathy for those who are members of the oppressed group. And it just creates this cycle of bitterness and resentment and also a sense of, you know, self-righteous, self-glorification in which I have a right to be heard because nothing that has ever happened in my life is my fault. Nothing that's happened in the history of my society is my fault. And I am innocent.
53:06 and pure. I just keep thinking trauma. Like childhood trauma creates this stuff. And one of the things that has come forward to me historically that I was not really aware of, but with the current climate, I start looking at these things rather carefully, the way in which women have swept in
53:30 and carried the cause in pretty much every horrible movement you can name. I just think about the commune of Paris, and those women who were killing the soldiers, you know, who were trying to just keep the peace. And I wasn't aware of that. Am I getting that right? It is that what personality characteristic we call agreeableness
53:53 and the evolutionary heritage of wanting to be a part of a group and not be ostracized seems to set them up to be the true believers. Well, it certainly has been the case. And it may be because, yes, women evolve differently from men, and women are more relational perhaps than men are. They evolved to be attentive to people's feelings, to be very aware when children, for example, were sick or were in need of something. It may well be that women evolved to express their needs
54:31 because in earlier times it was important that women express their needs and for men to listen to them. I mean, that's the other side of this that I think men have tended throughout history and especially in the last 200 years to be very concerned when women cry out in pain or when women make demands. And that's the thing that is so fascinating to me that if it had been true what feminists said about male tyranny at any of the points in our history, if it had been true that men were brutes who didn't care about women, who objectified them, who used them for their own pleasure. and profit, et cetera, all the things that feminists claim, then feminism would never have been able to achieve all of its incredible successes. Men would simply have said no to women, and they didn't. And so that's the interesting thing. And so we've got to the point now where women have achieved all of the objectives that they said they were interested in from the earlier times of the movement.
55:34 and yet we don't see that women are satisfied. In fact, every poll and survey that's been conducted since the 1970s shows women expressing less sense of life satisfaction, less sense of personal happiness than women from earlier eras and then even from men of the same decades. And so there's something wrong with the movement that claims to be concerned with women, well-being that finds women less and less happy every decade that feminism has gripped our culture
56:12 more fully. Also, I am always surprised when people want to attack evolutionary biological theory. Women and women evolved differently. Yes, alongside each other, absolutely, with a completely, not completely different, but listen, we differ from chimpanzees by about 300 base pairs. Women differ from men by an entire chromosome, and that is endowed with different qualities. And those qualities are amplified through the environment of evolutionary adaptiveness. And they're neither good nor bad, but I can say they're good. Women have a bigger corpus callosum. They have used more of the right side of their brain.
56:55 There's a lot of really good things that evolve differently than the male. but you know a man got more muscular and more larger and all these other more aggressive various things they actually perceive things differently because of this evolutionary diaspora the evolution that happened but in event a couple of quick other questions one people are asking about why given that many sharia and Islamist sort of beliefs include sort of an oppression or what we were perceive as an impression of women, what is it that has women's activists embracing that? Well, why women activists embrace Islam? Is that the question? Well, if indeed it's oppressive, which it appears to be, why would they be so prone to
57:50 defend it? Well, that's a really good question, actually, and I think it's a complicated answer. I would say first of all, on the most basic level, feminism is a progressivist ideology. It's drawn a great deal of its sort of fundamental rhetoric and ideas, the oppressor and oppressed binary. It's drawn those from Marxist or progressivist ideology. You can go all the way back to Charles Fourier, French socialist, who argued that women needed to be liberated from, the tyranny of marital monogamy into sexual freedom. You can read Frederick Engels, the origin of the family private property in the state, published in 1884, based on Marx's papers, where he talked about how in the family, the woman was in the position of the oppressed worker,
58:50 the man was in the position of the oppressive bourgeois owner, capitalist owner. And And so from that came a deep, you know, anti-American, especially anti, well, generally anti-Western, but especially anti-American impetus. And so there's a whole series of allegiances that feminism, along with progressivism, has held to. And it always feels the need to align itself with the alleged oppressed group and Islam is seen as an oppressed group in relation to, you know, Western imperialism. And so I think that's part of why feminists line up with Islam, even though there's all sorts of reasons why it doesn't make any sense according to feminist tenets. Right. That's the part that people get confused about.
59:49 Oh, shoot, I had a thought I wanted to ask you about. then it escaped me. If you give me a second to reorg. Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about the male-female situation as a result of the feminism. You talked about the men being attacked and told they're toxic. Now, males, I know them pretty well too. And when they are, men want to contribute and they want a place
01:00:18 and they want to be sort of valued for what they offered as society. So when you tell them they're worthless, worthless, worthless, they withdraw. Okay? That's just what men do. We go into our cave. We hide out. And not only is that bad because they can become angry and aggressive and depressed and God knows what, but they also miss opportunities to develop the developmental milestones associated with having relationships. They're not as good at it as women are oftentimes. And they kind of need to, it's a skill set that they need to cultivate. And we used to call it
01:00:54 courtship or dating and now those are words you're not allowed to use. Before I asked this question, I remember what it was. Is the attack on the family just a convenient Marxist sort of a way for Marxism to assert itself and just take over? Because then you're dependent on the state and you have to worry about families having any kind of autonomy. Yeah. Okay. So let me finish the male-female thing. Okay. Yeah. Let's finish. You finish. You finish? I was just going to say, yes, I think that's a I think that's a big part of it. I think feminism did draw from Marxism and developed of its own impetus as well, a hatred of the family,
01:01:33 a belief that the family is the site par excellence of women's oppression, and therefore women's resistance should start in the family. And I think that does work for those who want the state to control and to lead us into whatever particular utopia is on offer, because the thing that stands in the way of governmental tyranny is the family, especially the family headed up by a strong man. Yeah. And so back to what men do in the face of not getting employment,
01:02:09 not being worthwhile, not being seen as having anything of value, and not being able to navigate relationships because they just withdraw. They don't want to be seen. They don't want to be seen as toxic. anything. And the women are continuing to treat them worse from what I've seen. And the men already were saying, well, now, wait a minute, marriage has failed more than not. And she gets half my money. What's in that for me if she thinks I'm not worthwhile? And she takes everything I do to try to support the family. And, oh, she can abort and my child at her whim. And, oh, now she can kill my
01:02:49 children if she wants to. Men are just kind of checking out. And it feels like women are sometimes getting more shrill, although they're complaining that there are no men around because there are no men around. They're withdrawing. Am I seeing this correctly and what can be done about it? On the question of what can be done about it, unfortunately, I'm not absolutely sure, although we can get to that. But yeah, I think I'm not sure I would agree with you that men aren't good at relationships. I think women are actually terrible at relationships overall. They're attentive to them, but I think women get bored in relationships in a way that men often don't. Women tend to be quite verbally abusive when they get to that stage where they're a little
01:03:34 bored or they don't respect their partner anymore. I think that women can be quite toxic in many ways. And so what I see men doing is, yes, walking away. And I would add, to the points that you made, it isn't just the, you know, the danger to men of losing all of their money, they invest in a relationship, and then the woman decides in year seven that it's not really all that exciting to her anymore, and she can walk away and he has to keep supporting her potentially, but it's, and supporting any children they had, it's the loss of the children. I have a chapter on this in the book, and this is to me the monumental, inhuman, in-jubon. that the feminist movement has perpetrated, and it is the idea that men are not important in
01:04:24 society at large, but particularly that they are not necessary to children's development. And so there are, I don't know how many millions of men across North America who have been denied the opportunity to parent their own children because their ex-wife said she felt threatened in some way or said that he had done something wrong, no evidence required. He can become a visitor in his children's life. The pain of that and the blitheness with which many feminist ideologues have dealt with that issue is one of the many evils, I think, of radical feminist ideology. And it's one of the reasons that a lot of men who, I think in general, men still want to get married and have children. Men are interested in relationships and they're very
01:05:17 interested in having children, but it's too much of a risk. So a lot of those men are putting their energies into doing other things. I don't see men going into a cave. I see men deciding that they're going to make the focus of their life something that isn't going to turn on them and betray them. So they do other things. What women tend to do is complain more and become more hysterical and raging. And we see that all around us in the women attacking ice agents and, you know, having a fit in the supermarket with their children and demonstrating and, you know, expressing their love for Lindsay Clancy or whatever it happens to be.
01:05:58 And so, and I think the problem is that we don't have any guardrails. We don't have any systems to incentivize good behavior on women's part and to disincentivize bad behavior on women's part. Men still have an idea of what it means to be a good man. Men still want to contribute to their society. I don't think women have an idea anymore of what it means to be a good woman. A good woman, according to a feminist, and most women have been influenced by feminism, is a woman who rebels and who raises her fist and who rages against injustice and who declares
01:06:36 that she will not be, you know, she will not be controlled by any man. And that is the idea that we are passing down to girls. We're teaching them to rage. We're teaching them to be highly disagreeable. And we're teaching them to think that investing in a marriage and a family is a waste of their time. Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I would say in terms of, yeah, I didn't mean to say that they were staying in their cave. They won't stay there that long, you typically, but they do turn to video games and porn and other things while they're in their cave alone.
01:07:22 And for the first time, the new thing I'm seeing is they're going to prostitutes. I've not seen that in my career. And or they're going overseas to find partners where feminism is kind of, this kind of thinking is not so pervasive. You've seen that too? Yeah, that is happening. I mean, I know a lot of men who would never see a prostitute because the thought is, it's not what they want. You know, they actually, they want, yeah, they want sexual touch, but they want it with love and relationship. But yes, a lot of men are considering getting out of the West altogether.
01:07:58 Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah. I mean, we never do, you know, we've demonized male sexuality so much. We don't take seriously that it is something that matters to men a lot and that it contributes to their emotional well-being. Correct. And you mentioned how you sort of came to this by seeing the way the students behave. Was there an aha moment where it all came kind of crushing in and you shifted or was it a slow process? It was a slow process. I mean, it actually started with September 11th. I just, I hated the pleasure that that seemed to produce in a lot of my academic colleagues. They were so anti-American that really turned me off progressivism in general.
01:08:47 And then over that next decade, I just began to question everything that I had been taught. And it all came to a head when there was a men's advocate named Warren Farrell, and he was going to give a talk at the University of Toronto. and it was protested by a bunch of students and they linked arms around the doors so that nobody could get in to hear Warren Farrell. He was going to be talking about the boy crisis and the difficulties that boys are having
01:09:17 in especially being raised with single moms and in an environment that keeps telling them that there's something wrong with them because they were born in a male body and they might end up being rapists, et cetera. So he was talking about that and the vehemence with which these feminist students who had been sent out by their women's studies professors,
01:09:38 the vehemence in which they declared that it was not allowed for anybody to talk about anything to do with human development outside of a feminist framework. It was not allowed for any men, young men, to get together and talk about their issues and their problems. And, you know, just the arrogance and the anti-male bigotry that were expressed through those protests. That was what really made me realize that I wanted to have absolutely nothing to do with feminist ideology, and I wanted to speak out on young men's behalf in particular. And there's so many injustices today. We've had decades and decades of affirmative action hiring in which men have been
01:10:24 turned down for positions that they were fully qualified for in the name of so-called gender equality. we have this idea now that women are owed, you know, to be represented at 50% in all of the desirable positions in our society, whether they've earned them or not. And yeah, I just, I just, I can't believe that we don't march every day or every month, perhaps, saying, not in my name. And that the thing that worries me is that I meet many women who don't even call themselves feminists, but who, do have this kind of low-level animus against men and boys. They just don't think that they are deserving of the kind of empathy and social concern and helps that we give to women and girls. And that really worries me. I don't see how women can take power in our society, which they certainly are doing, have already done, when they don't care as deeply for half of humanity.
01:11:28 you know, and we'll admit that. Like for me, feminist ideology, being a feminist, should actually be a disqualification if it means that you will not disavow all of the hateful anti-male, even anti-male exterminationist rhetoric that has come out of the feminist movement. And I'm always shocked by feminist lack of shame before this anti-male exterminationism. And I quoted extensively in my book,
01:12:04 many people are not aware of how consistently feminists have expressed their utter hatred for men. Going back to feminists who declared Sally Miller-Gearhart is one in 1982, who declared that the future will be much better if we could somehow, through new reproductive technologies, reduce men to 10% of the human, population. Imagine a movement that declared that, and yet we still go on pretending that it has anything to do with the equal dignity and humanity of men and women. And so it's really that
01:12:41 the awareness of the lack of empathy for men and boys at a time when many young men and boys are suffering that made me realize that there's something very malign about the movement. Well, thank you for writing the book. Do you have anything prescriptive for the rest of us other than reading your book? Well, I would love it if people read my book. If they don't want to read my book because they think it sounds a bit too wild, they could come and take out a free subscription to my substack, the Fiamengo file, and they'll see a lot of my essays there.
01:13:18 And, you know, I just hope that men and women of goodwill will join together and say no to this ideology and start recognizing that we need to stop shaming young men and setting up a society in which we keep telling them that they're never good enough and that their sisters are somehow better than they are. I think that's a terrible, terrible message for both men and women. Dennis, thank you for joining us and thank you for writing the book. Thank you. Got it. Okay, interesting topics today. My goodness. Caleb, how do you walk away from these conversations? Pretty interesting. They're always so interesting to hear the backstory of like someone that had to face something and it's like a wall. She has a PhD and I think it's like female feminist literature and to be like that deep into something and then to just, it's like you slam into a wall like wait a second. I got to look deeper at this. Something's not right here. Something's strange. Every time I hear those stories, it's crazy. So Susan.
01:14:23 Yeah. So Susan and Caleb, what, how, what would you like to know about the creative topic? I will start with your guys. Can I say something really quick about this last topic? Of course. Not all men are great. Okay. That's true. And not all women are great either. But she's also dealing with the, you know, 1% that go to these fancy colleges and they're, these women are, you know, but they probably had shitty dads too. But the, it. I get what she's saying, how we have to not use the stuff that we're taught in college to give us determination. She didn't say that you shouldn't be elevating women. She said you shouldn't be crushing men. Right. I agree. But there are some shitty guys. Okay.
01:15:13 And there have been some in the history. Yes. And I even wrote that in the feed. There are shitting men and there are shodding women. Oh, for sure. She's not idealizing men, I don't think. You know, I think we do need to not... Well, let's do a thought experiment.
01:15:27 What if we knocked it down to 10% men? Do you think women would be benign matriarchs? The world would be a greater place? Or would there be a lot of violence and jealousy and fighting? And God knows what might happen. Some good things came out of horrible men, too. But it's just a weird topic because when you say things like, oh, they go to porn or they go to...
01:15:51 they go to prostitution, whatever. Then they're subjugating women again. The patriarch is abusing women. They're paying for it, but the women are not allowed to be openly doing that. So it's still happening. It's not a good place to go. But a foreign country, I get it. But it's hard to...
01:16:17 The men are being driven to these things. They don't want to do this. They're being driven to. I'm sure. But some men aren't being driven to that. They find other ways to deal with it. But yeah, it's just hard because she's very one-sided, but it's not a perfect world, you know? Well, the first thing I said was, isn't it true that women did need to have some empowerment.
01:16:38 And we did need to raise things. So it's, but she's, you know, she's, she's really zeroing in on. The Me Too movement really screwed it up. She's really zeroing in on the marginalization of men in the face of, you know, you know, the suffering of males. And the fact that they are, we have been very successful in bringing women up. And yet raising women up does not have to include destroying half the population. I like how she said then it turns into these women that are going out and attacking ice and stuff like that.
01:17:09 That's her theory. They're not happy. Okay, Kratum. What do you guys want to know? First, what I want to know is how is this thing available in so many gas stations when I was driving through Florida, and then I see in the news that it's killing people. Like, what's going on there? What is this?
01:17:25 So it's an opiate. It's like selling pieces of vikid in chocolate bars. No different. Same thing. So if you are an opiate addict and you want to take a bunch of opiates, you'll just take bigger amounts of this. And people get addicted. They're taking a lot of it.
01:17:42 Plus, the opioid chemical in there is seven hydroxymythrogyne, and they're learning to isolate that and put it in isolation. compounds so you don't even buy the cratum anymore, you just buy the seven hydroxia or 70H they call it. And that's even more addictive and more opioid effect. And there's this notion out there that well, low dose of cratim is stimulating, but high dose is sedating. Opiate addicts, when they take an opiate, it's stimulated. That's who gets stimulated from the opiates. It's an opiate. It's a weak opiate. It's not a strong opiate. And we have not caught up with regulating it, certainly on a federal level.
01:18:21 On a state level, there are lots of regulations, including downright banning it. So the states are trying to take care of it, but they're doing it late and they're not doing much of it. They're sort of like putting age restrictions on it and they're sort of maybe adding warnings
01:18:37 to it, and some states are outlawing it because just like it'd be no different than if we were selling small amounts of Vicod and over the counter. I mean, you know, I guess you can go to Mexico and get stuff like that, but in this country, we tend not to do that. And the big problem with it is that
01:18:54 you complex with muscle relaxants, alcohol, benzodiazepines, like other opiates, you'll stop breathing. And that's probably what happened with these kids. So it is... If they didn't get some fentanyl or something. They don't know what they died of yet, right? Maybe they got their hands on something else,
01:19:12 which was actually fentanyl, which adulterates everything. And now you have this morphine that is adulterates 10 times more powerful than fentanyl starting to find its way in. It's a compound that was studied in Belgium in the 1960s and was shelved, was abandoned because it was too dangerous, too powerful. Now people are synthesizing it, probably China and Mexico again, cartels, and they're starting to circulate that around. So that'll kill you real fast. Well done. But if you're going to buy something offline or online or on the streets, there is a high, and even if it's cocaine or a stimulant, they're putting fentanyl in everything right now. So the probability or the
01:19:53 possibility of inadvertently taking a dose that is sufficient to make you stop breathing, that is not low probability. It really is happening a lot. And that might have been what happened with these poor kids. And if you take benzos with it, then you're in bigger trouble. And I said muscle relax, it's alcohol. So you should put it in that category. Yeah, they may have mixed it up. Yeah. And so look, this is, we do weird stuff in this country. And now with the, when weed is legalized, the high concentrations, we're starting to see all kinds of psychotic illness. We're starting to see addiction to that more readily.
01:20:30 And probably more dangerous than this crater. In fact, if you really talk about the amount of harm done, the amount of people who are in, have adverse experiences that are serious and sometimes chronic or life altering, for sure, Wheat is more widely used. That may be why it is. But it is definitely having a more serious impact. Could Kratom have more serious impact? Yeah, it's there.
01:20:56 I mean, I've certainly, getting off it is very hard. It's like a bad opioid withdrawal. It kind of reminds you with Suboxone, which is also a bad opioid withdrawal. And people can't taper it. You can't do it. It just doesn't work. Yes, somebody, Katzfer Nelson is saying,
01:21:12 Create him an alcohol would be bad. Okay. That's what alcohol is. do, though. They take Kratom. They add more stuff. Yeah. It progresses. This is the thing about addiction. It progresses. It gets worth. People add things. Other questions for you guys? Am I adequately covering the...
01:21:30 No, I just, I thought it was in the news. So I said, okay, we should describe what this is. Because someone on the chat says that they doubt Kratum is killing anyone because it's very hard to ingest that much because it makes you puke first. But they say it's addictive. I haven't heard. I've never had. cratom, so I don't know. Yeah. But is that like... No, that person is absolutely correct about overdosing on strictly cratum, but you add cratom
01:21:56 to another compound like a benzodiazepine. Now you've got a problem. Now you can get into trouble. And yeah, people take a lot of it when they get addicted. They take large amounts. And I don't know exactly how they taper up, you know, in order to get to the point where they can tolerate it, but they do. They large amounts get taken eventually.
01:22:13 So that's an interesting comment. You may have said this earlier, but when people are getting cratum, like from a gas station, does it have, does it have like pain relief aspects like opioids do? Like people might get hooked on that the same way they would get hooked on opioid if they have chronic pain? They could. It tends not to happen because it's weak enough that in sort of usually ingested doses, it doesn't affect pain that much. But people use it after workouts for exactly that. where it gets going. People use it in the in the bodybuilding community for that very reason. And they say maybe it increases growth hormone and some of the some of those sorts of
01:22:56 enhancing kinds of molecules in the body. And it might. It might do that. And so they I've seen a number of people get hooked on it that way. They're former opiate addict or people using steroids and then they slip the crate them in and off they go. They used to be the only way I saw in fact. So I guess it's more widely used now, more widely available. And it might be a different dose. These days? Well, now that's seven hydroxy is, the 70H is out there.
01:23:24 So yeah, that is a higher dose. That's a more concentrated version of the opioid. All right. In the day when we were taking drugs, it was a lower dose. But now it is. When we were smoking, we didn't drop an ass. Okay. So I, so.
01:23:42 Back when cocaine was really cocaine. Right. That's the flip side of it. And who knows, maybe they're taking other stuff. Mary Talley Bowden in here on Monday? Is that correct? Is that what the 28th is? And then Edelstein and Dan Ayman back.
01:23:58 How did we pull that off? Do you know what that's about? Is there something specific? He's coming back for him? I like him a lot. I want him to talk about ADHD. What's that, Caleb? No, he had a great segment when he was on last time talking about Lindsay Clancy.
01:24:14 So they were probably bringing him back to talk about some of that and also ADHD stuff would be interesting. He's very good. Nicole, I see Alex Jones, James Lindsay, Steve Kirsch, very interesting. Peter Navarro, Brad Thayer coming back. Peter Navarro has written a new book where he's doing a side-by-side diary, his diary versus what we now know is Dr. Fauci's diary. Okay, well, look for that. we pick up again on Monday at 2 o'clock Pacific time. We'll see you then.
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