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Another episode, and it actually isn't two months from now because I had some random delay and I decided to play Crimson Desert for 400 hours. We're back in the same studio. I think this is this first time that we've had the same studio for two episodes, which is great. Well, the one got deleted. That's right. It sure did. And so anyway, we are here today with Ice Poseidon. How you doing, man?

I'm good. How you doing? I am doing good. It has been a crazy, what has it been? 10 years? Since we last met? Yeah, something like that. I saw you at Torses the one time.

That's right. So basically, I saw ice. This was during COVID and everybody was wearing like a mask and I could obviously I can tell your fucking voice, right? But the moment he has this mask on and he pulls it down over his nose and I say, holy

fuck, that's Ice Poseidon. I knew it. And that was it. That was like 2020 or something. That was a long time ago. Yeah, it was, but now we're here on your show. How do you like Austin? Austin's great. I love it. It's like big city, small city vibes.

You know, it's, I can just, I mean, I can just walk everywhere. I live in the city. So it's pretty nice. I'm surprised you guys didn't actually do full streams together. You kind of look like somebody that would have, like, thought other people on his stream. There's a lot of people like that. I was talking about that the other day, like all the other random recurring characters, etc., like seeing them occasionally like, you know, come up again like EBZ, Hampton, Brandon, like Asian

Andy, Mexican Andy, oh, Burger fucking Planet. Oh my God. I remember he came up recently too. And yeah, there were, it was like, I think that you were pretty much the first guy that really did IRL streaming and made it like a big thing on Twitch. And I feel like it was so long ago, it like, I mean, do people really, do you feel like people still remember that or is it just like that much in your past where you're not even think about it anymore. I mean, you know, the OG people on Twitch remember that, but the new people don't know. They have no idea. It's so crazy because I kind of, there's like a playbook.

Anytime that you see a new group come up, even like, what are they called now? The core boys. The core boys, yeah. I think that they're great at what they do. But look at a lot of the stuff that they did. They did a lot of the shit that we did is OTK. And a lot of the shit that we did is one of my favorite fucking. One of my favorite fucking things is watching the younger streamers have the same fucking dramas that we do.

Like, I love watching them walk into the same problems, have the same dramas, like girl issues, other bullshit. Oh my God, I love it. It's so funny. It's like the same cycle every time, though. They all started with gameplay streamers. They start getting popular. They start doing IRLs. They start kind of becoming news and streamers. Start getting popular or start viewboding?

What's the difference? Yeah. I mean, now it is. it's crazy nobody did everybody's fucking cheating everybody fucking cheats everybody's viewboding they're on twitter like botting they're replying to each other they're paying people to clip them oh my god you've talked about the clipping thing a lot i've seen yeah i think clipping is the worst thing that has ever happened to streaming why it brings up the worst content so you can be you know popular as a clipping streamer and all your clips can go viral but then when people come to

your actual stream, you're not actually a good streamer. You're just a good clipper. Yeah. So I think that brings up the worst kind of streamers. All the top streamers are just like not good streamers anymore. It's like McDonald's content, right? Like you have like 30 second entertaining content out of like a six hour stream. And no, I think you're right, honestly. And then especially when you're paying people to do it, paying people to like react to it and shit like this. Like, oh my God. Yeah. When you're paying clippers to clip your content, it, it, it, it, it, encourages the clippers to like bought their clips so you pay them more. Everything's just fake.

It's not organic. Back in the day, you used to be able to look at the top 10 streamers, clicking any of them, they're all good streamers. Nowadays, you click the top 10 and you're fucking bored. And you knew what people wanted. I think one of the weirdest things ever now, when you try to assess the landscape, it's like, oh, wow, like this random video game from 50 years ago is getting a lot of views right now. You can't actually tell what people want the same way.

When you were doing the Pokemon Go shit, it was obvious what people fucking wanted. Well, because everybody was talking about it too. That's the thing is that like now on the internet, so much of the attention for something is like completely astrotor. Like, I don't know if you ever, have you ever read the comments on any of these clipping accounts? They're like, oh, nah, W, for real.

And it's like, this is a fucking bot. Like, you're just botting, you're botting comments, your boding likes, you're boughting your stream, you're paying somebody to promote your bodied stream. Holy fuck, man. So crazy. I don't know if I should talk about this. Yeah.

So when I was gone for three years from streaming, I obviously was going to work, right? I ran like four of the clipping companies. So you're part of the problem. Yeah, but I'm going to be, so I know a lot about how it works. I know every single person who's doing it. I know how much they're paying.

I know who they're paying. the very weird thing about it is when you start to look at what actually translate into real viewers and you also start to see the palette change, right? Because now the people that are seeing all the stuff on social media, what they expect from a stream,

which is kind of what you were getting at, it's not real. So it's kind of killing the streaming industry and it's kind of killing what people want from streams now. Well, I also think that clip viewers don't even translate to live viewers. They don't. Like TikTok viewers?

Yeah, they don't translate it. It's pointless, I think. I think the only person who's translated TikTok that I can think of is like KSO. And maybe jinxy, right? Yeah, you have a few people, like, if you just do gaming content, I think it's fine. But whenever you're doing IRL content,

like I feel like the nuisance streaming content. Because like back in the day, like, I felt like that was kind of what people were doing. But like, now I remember, like, I remember seeing a fucking clip. and it's like, it's like an ice wall in Antarctica. And I hear your fucking voice. I'm like, wait, what the fuck is this?

Wait, is that the Kanye thing? No, no, I was in super down south there Antarctica. What the fuck? What was? So you went to what, Antarctica? Well, I went near Antarctica in Patagonia. Why? For content, you know? What the fuck?

And then Elon Musk tweeted it out and that was super cool. He did? Oh my God. I didn't even know that. I've always wondered. this about you, right? I feel like you have so many of these ideas where it's like, okay, I'm going to go to this random country and I'm going to like eat. This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yogurt, but not all yogurts are created equal. Activia contains over one billion probiotics per serving to survive and reach the gut alive.

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Like some weird fucking food, do some weird fucking thing. How quick to the turnaround? Like, you see it and then like you're there within like two or three days? Are you actually planning? No, yeah, I just go. I mean, I just told myself,

I want to go to Antarctica, so I just flew like the next couple days. I just fly over there. It's always seemed like that, but I've never known if there was like, okay, is there something going on behind the seat? No, no, I don't plan anything, dude. Okay.

Just show up. So we were talking before you got here, like a little bit. And there's this weird thing. And I've never seen anyone else like this besides you, where there's like a bazillion people around you that claim to be the innovator of like so many great ideas. And when you try to parse through it, it's like, well, who among these people have actually set up any of these ideas?

How much of it is just ice coming up with everything? Like who is running the show with you? I mean, it depends on the context, but for the most part, I just come up with an idea and I just go do it. Yeah. What people trying to take. How can people try and take the ideas that I had, that I came up with when I don't even plan. I just go and do it. How can, how?

You don't even have time to do it. You know what I'm saying, though, right? How many people have you seen kind of come in and be like, oh, yeah, that was RV stream? That was my idea. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no doubt. I think they definitely, well, it's because you did a lot of the early stuff. And because you did so many of those, like, early streams.

everybody is going to grade everybody else's stream in the future based off of that original stream. And I think that there was like a degree of like grittiness to it and authenticity that people had. And like now it's like people script events. They pay police officers to come in there and, you know, pretend like arrest them and shit. It's like, oh my God, guys. Love you doing. I'll get arrested for real. I'm for the airplane.

Do you think you're ever going to get? get unbanned from Twitch? No, I don't think so. Just from like a liability perspective or because they fucking hate you? No, I just, they fucking hate me. I think there is some higher-ups, maybe that don't work there anymore, that really hated me. And the higher-ups that work there now were the underdogs of the people that hated me.

So there's going to follow that tradition. I know one person who hated you, who worked there, who I know is gone. And, but I don't know what, they hated him too. That's not a surprise. I remember I followed the old CEO on Twitch on Twitter. Yeah. And within five minutes, he blocked me. What the fuck?

Yeah, literally. I don't know what the fuck's wrong with him. Wait, what's his name? Is that it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember. Is that it? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I forgot, like, I don't even know what he did or anything. Like, he never said anything about Twitch. It was like he wasn't even there. And it was always Dan Clancy. What do you think about Dan Clancy? I mean, I've never met him, but he's, uh, he's, uh, he's, He seems kind of like weird, but I mean, I have no opinions that I've never met the dude.

Okay, I was curious. But like, would you ever, okay, so like if you ever got unbanned on Twitch, would you multi-stream on there? Would you just say fuck it and stay on kick? I would do one stream on Twitch and then just push everybody to kick. Yeah. There's no point to multi-stream. I'm just going to lose a bunch of money if I do that.

Yeah. I probably should. How many years is because it was the airplane thing that. got you it was well that was just the that was the straw that broke the camels back that yeah i think it was the excuse they hated me way before that you know my

community was just like totally opposite to what twitch really wanted you know because we were you know kind of wild and twitch doesn't want a wild community out there i mean nowadays there's much worse communities on twitch in my opinion but i'm still you know that hated

guy by all the staff do you think you fucked up with the airport thing though or you Do you think that it was? I mean, in hindsight, sure. But you have done the best idea, sure. What is, you have to understand, this was back at a time where I've never been swatted before. You didn't really think about it. This was, oh, you hadn't been swatted yet?

I'd never been swatted before. This is not a thing that was happening. That was like the first. Oh, that's crazy. So for me, in hindsight, yeah, it was stupid. But in that moment, I didn't think anything bad could happen because that was the first time it happened. See, and this is the thing, and this is kind of going back to what Zach saying, hell is like the first and stuff. I genuinely, I'm not trying to just glaze you here.

A lot of it was, it really felt special. Like, it felt important. It was, it was such a crazy vibe around. But because of that, my memory is bad about so many of these things because they're, they're kind of legends at this point. So my memory of the airplane thing is you saying, I'm at Terminal 53A. I'm getting on this plane and there's not nothing you got to can do about it. You guys can't do anything about this. And. But even it actually would have. happen. I mean, I didn't say that. I said, uh, right, I was reading chat and they were like, oh, you shouldn't say your terminal. I'm like, I was the worst thing it happened. Yeah. But you know, it sounds stupid. But in hindsight, I truly believed what was the worst I could happen? I didn't know I was

going to get fucking swatted on an airplane. Fucking ridiculous. How many times do you think you've been swatted? Uh, well, after I got banned for getting swatted, they swatted me every day for a year. I remember that. Yeah. Because they were trying to get me banned on other places as well. Did it scare the shit out of you ever? Yeah, I mean, having guns pointed at me doing streams is never a fun, never fun. Like you were one of the first people that moved off platform to stream and live stream on the other platform too.

Because like I remember you went from Twitch to YouTube and you were streaming on YouTube and you had a lot of viewers. Like what was that like? Because like now I feel like it's very normalized. You had a fucking mixer and now you have kick and rumble and Odyssey and everything else. But back then, I feel like. Fucking nobody was doing that didn't he stream on all of those platforms too you did mix it too right Yeah, I mean it was really scary you know basically you're isolated away from everyone else

Yeah, you don't have any other community you don't have the switch community you only have your own community and you have to really build your community up to be strong or you're fucked the purple army Yeah yeah so I was really afraid but I made it work yeah what like what was the thought process of going so open door and like like did it gradually happen where you just enjoying it and like you felt comfortable with your community or were you just like this is going to be this no i had to you i do what i had to do yeah the only way to differentiate my content from everything on twitch is to be extremely transparent open door be like okay the viewers have really 100% insight into my life that was the only thing i could do in order to maintain the viewership because

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Yeah. Because, you know, I look back and I think about you as like, like the Pokemon Go shit. I look back because that's actually when I started streaming. And I hadn't even watched your stuff yet. And I was with Dylan Sprouse streaming Pokemon Go. And I went back and I watched our stuff. And it's just like, hello, how are you doing?

Yeah. We're just catching Pokemon. And then he's just like, yeah, dude, put a camera on your fucking head and all the chicks want to have sex with you. And it's like, dude, what the fuck? This guy's fucking nuts. Nobody was doing that at the time. Like, were you ever uncomfortable? Or were you just like instantly there and you're just like, that was your element?

No, I mean, uncomfortable. No, uncomfortable for what? I mean, if I say something crazy to somebody, I'm never going to see them again. Who cares? Fuck them. Yeah. Yeah. You were kind of, you know?

You got to be a little shame. be a streamer, you know? Yeah, I'm not saying this is any disrespect, though. You were kind of the first nuisance streamer. I mean, to define nuisance. Not like it is now. That's the thing, but they all all roads, all roads. They are like, you look at the new streamers and a lot of what they're doing, like, you did pave the road. I didn't, I don't think I ever went out of my way to try and like harass the general public, but I went out of my way to make myself look stupid. Sure. So here, I agree with that. And I do think that, you know, there is a big difference.

But a lot of the times the content was going to be you interacting with other people, right? So I think like the second that you do that, that's when you start getting close to nuisance content. Well, I think the difference is I try to make myself the butt of the joke versus making this random person the butt of the joke who hasn't signed up for it. Yeah. What do you think about those fucking retardants? that do that shit now. Like shooting arrows, flaming arrows at people. Like, I think you saw that, right?

The fucking, oh, the fireworks fucking hitting that girl in the eye. Holy shit. Like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, what do you think about how much IRL streaming has kind of just, I guess, escalated? I mean, I think people are going to be very off put by IRA streamers. Yeah. You see an I roll streamer? you're going to be like, oh, don't want them around.

Yeah, I mean, especially when they're fucking annoying, too. Well, look there. Yeah, there was there something that are fucking out. Nowadays, all the IRO streamers are fucking annoying. They have to be. They try. Well, the thing is, like, you were annoying on accident. They're annoying on purpose. Well, I think that's the difference. I think they're just not funny. Exactly. I think I'm funny. So I think I can be funny without being super annoying to the general

public. Yeah. These new streamers don't know how to be funny. So there's annoying. Well, because you were. doing so you were doing OSRS for a long time. That's whenever I started watching you. And then I remember the first IRL stream is that you dressed up in like a chef's outfit in your fucking house and you were like tossing shit up in the air. Do you remember that? Yeah.

Okay. So I'm not remember. Okay. I'm actually remembering how this is. So like I feel like whenever you start off as like a gameplay, whenever you're effectively using the game as like a radio show almost, it's like you have to learn how to be continuously entertaining. Waring as like whenever you don't have to do that, you're an IRL streamer, you're focusing on clips.

Well, you just have to think of one funny thing to do every 30 minutes, right? I think that's a huge difference. RuneScape was the perfect game to train myself for because that game is fucking boring as shit. The second best is World Warcraft. That's right. Yes. So it's the, it's like literally the same thing, right? It's just background music.

Yeah. You're just sitting around doing fucking nothing, repeating the same exact task a thousand times. So it's like if you're not entertaining and people can't listen to you. you on a regular basis, then it's like, it doesn't work. So it's like, who were the old school Ruincape streamers that like transitioned? The Bodie, uh, auto block, right? But I'm saying, like, actually

transitioned. I don't know any of that transitioned out of Runecape. What, that is that's what I'm trying to figure. Was it just you? Or wait, wait, wait, Raj Patel. Oh, shit. It was you and Raj Patel. Oh, shit. I forgot about Raj. It's Raj. It's Raj. Yeah, it was. Raj. Raj, that we're

using the dead name man. I mean, me me and Raj Patel were probably the only to Bruncave gamers that we transitioned because we didn't really play the game. Yeah. It was just in the background. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Everybody else played the game.

You guys are the only two. And then for, for wow, I feel like a lot of people transition. I think that like, you know, you had Mitch, uh, chance, fuck. Like, besides that, I feel like now there's a lot of people that have a hard time doing it. Do you think chance really transitioned? Yeah. A hundred percent he did. Like, I feel like he transitioned more than anybody else, really.

I would say it's one of the first. Full on furry. Yeah. I mean like and the thing well the thing is like I mean it's really hard going from like was it hard going from like game content to IRL content because I remember back then like that shit was like people are kind of worried about that a lot no it was easy it was actually easier to do IRL content than the stream runescape that way it's like okay well I don't have to think about I have to do something or whatever yeah I don't have to constantly do something every five seconds I real content I can just make things happen it's a lot easier how are you actually because like now it's so fucking easy. Like you just get, you get a server, you just use your fucking phone.

Back then, when you were doing the Pokemon Go stuff, you what would have had to have at least to sort, like two points going to the ingest, right? No, I just had a laptop with OBS, and I just had a webcam and a microphone headset,

and I just walked around with a laptop connected to a Wi-Fi box. Damn. That's so crazy that that worked as well as it did. I mean, And when you look back at it, it didn't work that well. It was like 480P, lagged every five minutes. Okay, okay. It looked like shit.

It's so funny because I remember it looking crispy as fuck. Well, that was back in the day when you had nothing else to refer it to. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's like, what? You got a $28,000 backpack that everybody's using. Half the people have hired cameramen's. You were the only person who had a cameraman back then, though, too.

Like, that's a little bit later on. I didn't have a camera man. What? I'm pretty sure. You got on your head. I have. No, no, no, no. I'm saying after Pokemon Go.

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okay, do I choose the stream or choose the girl? I'm like, I'm just going to hide her and I'm just going to stream normally. Both. Yeah, exactly. But then it all blew up and it was bad. That was insane. And I remember a, Like we always talked about like because obviously, you know, like Jacob, you know, was is working with us now. And we found him. And I remember like the main reason why we're like, oh, Jacob has to be good is because IP2, the subreddit, you remember everybody remembers that fucking subreddit hated everybody

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Yeah, of course. What works, right? Yeah. Dude, I mean, when you actually look at Jacob, yeah, the amount of events that he's worked on that people probably don't even know they's worked on, he's low-key probably the, if you count all of his work, like the most viewed man on Twitch. It's probably not a lie. But it's a lot.

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Really? Yeah. Holy shit. Well, like, so did you have like all the skills that maxed out now? I mean, you know, I, my account sucks ass. What the fuck? It's the same account? Dude, you guys have so much in common.

You both play a shitload of the games and you still suck a game. I don't play wow at all anymore, okay? Well, I just do, I do like AFK like content. I don't grind. You have to grind like hundreds of hours to progress. I'm not doing that. You're just done with that? I'm just doing the easiest content.

Do you play the leagues? No. Okay. They're cool as fuck. Do you play any other games? Do you actually play video games? Yeah, I like video games. Okay, what do you play?

I play, well, I like trophy hunting on PlayStation. Okay. So right now I'm trying to platinum, no man sky. That's probably really hard, right? It just takes a long time. That's probably pretty hard. Are you playing it on VR? I've played it on VR, yeah.

Dude, that shit is the only game I've ever played on VR where I was like, okay, this deserves to be on VR. Like, it's cool as fuck. Usually VR is kind of retarded, but I like that shit a lot. Did you play Eldon Ring? I've played it. Okay. Did you beat Eldon Ring?

No, I got bored of it. Oh, fuck. I've been watching him play Eldon Ring for fucking weeks now. And he's finally come up with a really good build. And now he thinks that he owns the entire fucking game. So yeah, I was just curious, right? Because after all this... What did I message you last night?

He said, I am a God. Messaged me, I am a God. So, yeah, there it is. He's been streaming us the entire time. To be fair. Yeah. I did a full stream. Uh-huh.

didn't die a single fucking time one shot at every single ball you're on top of the world yeah it's the best stream of my life I'm thinking about just never streaming again eldering is just like an MMO but it's there's no other players yeah that's part it's boring it's in my I fucking love it like it's

so good like I actually I don't know what happened but like a switch in my brain flipped where like I just can't fucking play any sort of um you know like multiplayer game anymore I don't know why just like because back a day like that's all I would play. It's the schedule, bro. It's like having to play around other

people scared. Yeah, I just want to deal with that. How do I know that I'm going to be in the mood to do a raid? Yeah. On a Tuesday at 8 p.m. I'm going to be fucking busy. I mean, I guess if you're playing with friends. Yeah. I play MMOs. I'll just do the raid finder. Oh, yeah. Or whatever. And some other bullshit. Yeah. Matchmaking or whatever. The fucking goyslop variant. Yeah. Yes, exactly. It pisses me up. World of Warcraft needs to have just one difficulty for every raid. Did you ever play Wow? I played a wild classic. Okay. Okay. Wait, like this a little bit like actual classic or no no like when it got re-released? Okay. Okay. Okay. I played it for a couple days. That's it. I thought it was pretty boring.

What level did you get to? I don't know like the couple, just a few levels. This kind of doesn't this feel like you're talking like a cool like finance guy who's like yeah. Well, because I play a lot of Final Fantasy 14 sometime. Wait, really? Yeah. So, When I go to Wow Classic after that, it's like, okay, this is way more boring. Yeah, yeah. It must be a huge fan of me. Oh, wow, yeah. But I'm a level, I'm level 90 in Final Fantasy.

You beat the whole MSQ? Yeah, and I'm a Summoner. Oh, oh, dude, I played Summoner. Yeah, it's pretty good. How many, do you do any Ultimates? What do you mean? The Ultimate Raids? I have no idea.

I just do the Party Finder, raids. I don't know. I legit, there's these things called Ultimate Raids in the game, and there's this one that at the time, that I did it was the hardest one and I locked myself in Miskip's closet and when it leaves his closet until I beat it and it took me a month I had lived in that closet I remember that it was fucking disgusting I went in there I walked by it it smelled terrible it was because Andreya Botes on day like 14 yeah

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houses like I I can't believe people still do streamer houses. Like I feel like I mean I get it like back in the day but like now why the fuck would you want to do that? Poor baby. Like every free content. Well I mean but they just they get free people go to the house to get swatted. There's like drama constantly. And it's like I guess. I guess maybe people like... I mean, hot take, it's very easy to not get swatted. I think swatting's like kind of done. The last time I got swatted was...

Almost eight years ago now. Well, the new phase, the court... I mean, they got swatted like 30 minutes into their thing. I think it's because they kind of want to get swatted. Really? It's very easy to not get swatted. You just got to tell the police. This is our address.

Hey, surprise. Yeah. Of course. Didn't they stage like a whole story? swatting thing one time. I thought that was, I thought it was Aiden Ross. People accused Aiden Ross of doing it. Yeah, I could be wrong. I don't accuse the core guys of doing it. Yeah, yeah.

They didn't do. Look, we're not on the punching down podcast right now. Right. Um, but I mean, you don't have the fake swatting. You just have to not tell the police where you live now and it's gonna happen. I thought that there was like one of them that was like a bit. I thought that Oh, I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was like a meme or something like that. Yeah.

But you never know with clip farming. Like that, that is the issue. I'm not thinking they're watching their fucking streams. The only adapt is in the core guys, right? The only time that I've watched his stream was when he was in Africa with Maya, which was awesome. That was crazy. It was really cool. Like I do feel like IRL streaming, it's like whenever it's not nuisance streaming can actually be like super, super entertaining and like really interesting. But like now I just feel like the concept of it is like generally going to a place and then being fucking annoying. Like that's literally it. And then farming reaction.

and then I feel like the people that do that, they always have to up the ante. It's like, okay, well, if you get in an argument with the customer, you know, 10 times, now I have to get in a fight with the customer, get the same viewership. And like, then I have to get arrested. And it's like, oh, my fucking God.

It's the suicide farce. Yeah. It's just clip farming. Yeah. I mean, if you are actually a funny IRO streamer, right? In order to be funny, it's more of like a long-term kind of content.

Yeah. You can't clip that. You know what I mean? So you get the reaction. farming. That's like Andy Milanochus, for example. Like Andy, the way that he streamed compared to other streamers, Andy was actually like setting shit up. And you'd watch him do stuff and it was like, damn, that was actually funny. But he's not just farming pogs and farming like shit like that. Doing like a one liner. Yeah, yeah. Andy's, I think Andy's actually of all the people I worked with

one of the best people, like just as a human being. You streamed with him a lot, right? Yeah, I love Andy. He's funny. He's like actually funny though. Yeah. Like he's not like streamer funny. He's actually funny. I remember one time we were in a, I hope I don't butcher this because he'll actually kill me. But we were in Italy.

We were doing an IRL in Italy. It was me, Andy and Sear. And, uh, we got a shitload of callers. And he went like full like, like, he went CX as fuck, bro. And I'm like, I'm like, yo, just, uh, ignore the call. And we got to fight about it. Offstream. Andy and I had a conversation.

This is when I had the most respect for Andy ever. never met another streamer like this. He literally broke down every single thing that he felt in the moment. Asked me how I felt. And we were done arguing. It was completely over. It felt really good.

Like couples therapy. Oh my God. Like he's so matured. He had like couples therapy. The next day, 15 hate threads on LSF. Andy and Rich fucking hate each other. And we literally both saw them.

And the rest of the Italy trip, we were just like, fuck it, dude, let's form the fuck out of it. We just kept thinking fake fights. And I just, I have so much respect for him after that. I feel like he's like the most mature person to do IRL stream. Well, yeah. I mean, well, he was one of the first people doing it, right?

I remember whenever you were doing it, it was Andy. And like, who else was it? Is there anybody else that's still around that was doing it then? Like, Jake and Bake maybe too? Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I don't know.

Maybe you don't even give a fuck. I mean, Jake, I've never watched the Jake and Bake Stream. Yeah. Okay. Jacob Big's still doing it. He just China with Assad not that long ago. Oh, yeah. I think he's back in China now. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I just like, I feel like streaming has changed so much in like the last 10 years.

How much do you think it's like just different? Like, how do you feel about like the new streamers nowadays? I think, I think they're all pretty terrible. Really? I think they're really? I think a lot of them are very boring. Shit. One dimensional just clip farming. Uh-huh.

There's no. They don't know how to build a community. it's all just very superficial. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like also like one of the worst things that happened was like during COVID streaming like two X'd. Like everybody was getting like instead of 20,000 viewers, they're getting 40,000 viewers or like instead

of five they were getting 10. And there are tons of people that like they just got exponentially more popular. And then they were like, well, now this person's like a celebrity almost. And I feel like it really made streaming weird at that time. Because like I think that's the point. where people cared a lot more about like their image and like public perceptions. They're all gay and retarded now.

Yeah. It's so fucking stupid. Like that's what I mean. I will say. Well, they think they're celebrities. Exactly. Yes. Because they've been losers their whole fucking life.

Like the thing is is like I will say there is that moment when all of the sudden and I'm sure you've had this like multiple times. Because I feel like you have got you have had high highs and low lows like more than anyone else. Yeah. You know that moment when you catch five. again and you go wow I got at least two weeks of content yeah and you like it's not the view counts not the thing that feels really good it's when you look at the chat and you're like this is a real thing yeah there are real people that care about what I'm doing right now and I care about what

I'm doing right now I look at the new streamers and I don't feel like that happens the same way but I'm not they don't have a community it's it's very superficial the viewership is very superficial. And they're just moving from one drama. Some of these graphs. Yeah, they start at like 22,000 viewers. I mean, those are viewbots.

They go live. Like, it's just, it's so fucking obvious. It's like how does anybody see this? And they're like buying into it. And what's crazy to me about it is that companies sponsor them. They're so like, you're getting finessed. You're getting rinsed by this guy

that's viewbotting. He's got like a thousand people at most watching them and you're paying them crazy amounts of fucking money. But, but so fundamentally, I hear, I hear Nick say this shit all the time. He does. But the person who's getting rinsed is not the person who's paying for it. The thing, the thing, the kind of are. No, no, no, no. Hear me out. Okay. That's not how sponsorships really work. You're talking about like the second degree. Simmer down, Glyam. Okay. Basically what's going on here is you have a middle level employee who's paying for the...

All they care about is the number. Oh, malicious compliance. Yeah, I know. So the person who actually signed the contract, yes. They're benefiting from it as well. Twitch is benefiting from it as well. And the people that are actually getting hurt from it the most...

The company that paid for it. And guess what? They have a shitload of fucking slush funds that need to be spent for their marketing anyway. Oh, fuck. Dude, I'm not saying... They're fucking scammers. They're fucking scammers.

saying that they're not. Yes. But the thing is, is somebody needs to care. Nobody cares right now. So I don't think it's going to change. I think that they're never going to crack down on viewboding. I don't think it's ever going to happen.

I mean, there's no incentive to crack down on it. The only people that have an incentive to crack down on it is Kik. Right? Like, Kik has an incentive. What's the incentive? Because they don't want to pay people out KPP.

So that's true. So they're actually losing the money. But it goes back to what you say. earlier about the slush fund so money has to be spent anyways right yeah but i think that i'm going to be real with kick i feel like there's a much easier way to use that slush fund i i don't know how kick works so this is me assuming something i've never actually talked to really anyone at kick besides like a few people on a very low level you would rather just put that money probably to stake i would imagine right like that's what that's what's making you money so i i would assume the difference right i i don't

know, though, they could be like way more separate. How do you feel about kick now? I love kick. You do? Yeah. Okay. There you go. I mean, they let, uh, I mean, they let me do whatever. Whatever the fuck. Yeah. No, no one's getting banned. No problem. No bullshit or anything like that. Yeah, I guess that's probably really nice, especially after Twitch. The thing with Twitch is, you know, when I, when I was on Twitch, yeah. They always tried to get me to act a certain way. And I didn't like that. I didn't, yeah. I don't, I don't like how, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't like how, uh,

A platform tries to change your behavior. How did they do that? Well, they would just try to influence me. Hey, maybe don't do these certain things. Don't say these certain things. Like they would call you. Yeah, they would like, my partner manager would be like, hey, don't do this certain things. You know, it's going to look weird.

Like optics, like all this. It's like, just let me do my thing. Like I know what I'm doing. I'm not a, you know, of retard. I'm not going to go and make the, you know, like they were just so worried about the platform looking bad that they just were so. hands on. How often were they calling you? All the time. Really? They're all the time.

They were like, you know what was probably going on? I think I did a homeless stream in San Francisco one time on Twitch and they were like, yeah, like you can do the homeless stream. Just like don't, don't be too homeless though. It's going to look like it's going to be offensive. And it's like, what's the fucking point? It's a homeless stream. Yeah. What do you mean? Like don't be too homeless. Was this before they got acquired by Amazon? Do you think that they were after? Oh, it was after. Because I was like maybe they were nervous about getting acquired.

Yeah, yeah. But the kick, you know, the different on kick is, uh, you know, the,

the kick staff, they don't, they're not hands on. They're like, okay, we trust you. Yeah. We know you're not going to make the platform look bad.

You do your thing. Yeah. And I don't feel like they're trying to get me to push agendas and like do weird shit. Do you think you ever have made the platform look bad on kick? No. You don't think so? I don't think he has. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like, it's the thing. It's really fucking hard to do that. Right. I mean, like,

Maybe Sam Pepper when he shot the fucking bottle rocket into the seven-year-old girl's eye in India. I think that kind of made kick look bad. Other than that, yeah. I mean, it's not that. Do you think that you make Twitch look bad? So, they have changed their approach. They never tell me anything. They never tell me what to do.

They barely even communicate with me. I don't have any sort of interaction with them at all. Well, they fired all the partner managers too, right? It's just I think I'm pretty sure that the only one left that I think there's, I don't want to name him, I guess, but I'm pretty sure there's like he quit today, apparently you left the company today. If you're thinking of the same person. Yes.

Well, can I say his name then? Yeah. With the Pluto? Yeah. That's what I heard. Yeah. Let me double check and see. But yeah, I remember because, so yeah, is he the only person that you knew on Twitch?

Well, no, I think he was the only partner manager left. Oh, really? But the thing is, it's so funny because, like, Pluto announced he's leaving Twitch. That's crazy. Yeah. Like, I saw this. They manipulated every single one of us with Pluto. Because everybody liked Pluto.

Everybody had, like, a good relationship with Pluto. And then they would just, like, they would roll them out every single fucking time. It's literally like Blizzard using Chris Metzen, like, willing him out on stage. It would be like, oh, shit, we need to get the dogs in line. And Pluto would be like, hey, do you want to go to an escape room with me? Want to drink a beer, guys? Like, oh. And then you liked Pluto.

So you would listen to Pluto. If he's gone, they're fucked. Well, I had another partner manager. Like, who did you have back then? Do you remember their name? Pluto. You had Pluto. Yeah.

I had a different partner manager, too. Yeah, my partner manager was really sad. The guy passed away. And it was out of fucking nowhere. He was so nice. Because I remember I got suspended one time. Holy shit. Basically, I made a joke.

And I was like, you know, people like from Hurricane Katrina were like displaced in my high school. And they were really annoying. And I said the hurricane could have done a better job. And so they got mad about this. I got suspended for it. And so that happened. And I immediately, like, start complaining about Twitch. I say, I said nothing wrong.

And I'm, like, acting like a victim, obviously. So the guy emails me, and I talk to them at, like, 7 o'clock in the morning. And it's like, you know, we're both up all night. And I'm playing PubG. And then I become a partner. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Wait, wait.

Do you remember the, like, the conversation we had? Which one? For this? I think so. Well, oh, yeah. Well, like, my goal was like, if I was partner, they would be less likely to ban me, right? But he didn't want to be partner.

Yeah. So we literally, he was fighting to not be partner for the longest time. And then the day that you did it, I was hosting a World of Warcraft tournament. I was super fucking excited to see what happened. And I, and I remember it was like, uh, it was like in that scene when they steal from the Lufthansa heist in Goodfellas.

Okay. Jimmy! You got 10,000 subs in one day. Yeah, it was a long. Which was like, yeah, shit was crazy. First time ever.

Why didn't you want to be partner? Because I didn't want, I didn't like the idea of like subs getting, like thinking that they had like a certain like like, like that they were like better than non subs. Like I just, because like I agree with you. You thought it was so low.

Yeah. I thought it was gay. Like I mean, like I agree like the community aspect like matters so much. Why didn't you just not care? That's exactly what I do now. Like I, he literally tells people that if they,

if they gift a certain amount of subs, just stop. He's going to block him. Yeah, I'm just going to ban you. Like, yeah, I don't give a fuck. Because, well, now... And then every time he says, like, six people gets like 10 subs, bro. Not enough. I only have, like, 7,000 subs or or 8,000 subs, which is, like, nothing compared to how many people watch. And the reason why, I have no sub badge, no fucking emotes, no benefits. I don't even read... I don't even read... I don't even read their

fucking name. I got rid of, like, well, it's on another chance. So nobody gives a... It's actually funny. Nobody does a... about emotes anymore because of better Twitch TV. Yeah. There's that and that's a good thing. Yeah, I think it's a good thing. I think it's better for like community building. I don't know if you saw this. This was actually crazy man. Twitch did this thing not that long ago where they changed the Kappa globally on Twitch. Like one of the most iconic Twitch things, they sold it to call of duty and they made it a call of duty email. People were fucking pissed. It's yeah, that's a slap in the face to the OG community. Right. It really.

But I guess they're really desperate for money. Do you think that Twitch is going to be around in five or ten years? No, I don't think so. I mean, they don't make any money. Oh, shit. How can a company forever not make any money and stay around? So here's what I'll say. Good question.

We said that when we started OTK. The entire idea of OTK was to transition into YouTube. We failed horribly at every single goal that we had. But that was the whole idea. and what we started that five years ago something like that and we said that Twitch wasn't going to be around in five years five years ago and it's still fucking here

so do you think that there's yeah but now there's competition there is I mean kick I feel like has more longevity than Twitch does I have a feeling that gambling isn't going to fall out of style gambling's not going to fall out of style

but I also think that the younger generation is more aligned with what kick represents. Kick represents than Twitch. You know, like, what does Twitch represent nowadays? When I think of Twitch, I think of Fassan. Do, does the younger generation really? Yeah, drag queens and shit. Like, does the younger

generation really fuck with that? I don't think so. Not as much, dude, the feeling, you're, you're so right. I think Twitch is a very millennial platform. I hate being a millennial. I really do. I don't get, like, they're all like all the millennials, there's so many

of them that are just like, they're overweight. they have a bunch of mental disorders. They're collecting little useless pieces of shit. Like, what's wrong with us? Like, how did this happen to our generation? It's embarrassing. Like, do you feel the same way about this? Like, you see people that are around our age.

I don't really leave my house much. Really? Okay. I mean, still, I look at all, see on Twitter, and it'll be some person. And it's like, Kathy, age 33, and it's like, oh, my God, how did this happen? I think a lot of millennials are stuck

to the like SJW kind of kind of like vibe. Yeah. And they never grew out of it. And like that's how it's just a very fake sort of way to live. Can I tell you guys something really funny? Yeah. So I was not on the internet for three years. Good. The real world is still fine. It mostly feels the same. Like if you do go outside and hang out with people, everything's still pretty good. No, you have a point though. In the real world, millennials are pretty normal. It's the internet millennial.

millennials that are retarded. Because they're fucking losers. Yeah. Like a lot of them are losers. They're so bad. Not all of them. You meet some cool people on the internet. Well, especially on Twitch. You have the Twitch millennial. That's like the distilled the real fucking losers, right? It's like the, uh, you know, making like the, the, the Deer, the Twitch ambassador and shit like this. I'm like, are you fuck? Are you fucking kidding me? Like, what are you guys doing? How many drag events does TwitchCon really need? Like, it's just weird. It is. It's weird. And I don't even hate it.

any of that stuff, but it's like, do we really have to make this the main content of the stream? Like, I mean, is this really the plan? Is this what you want to define the platform by? The thing was, though, that wasn't the overall identity of the platform. When somebody went and they engaged with stuff like that because it was genuine to them, that was cool. Of course. But it's not the identity of the platform.

I literally went with, um, with Wake and NMP to a drag brunch. And it's my fate. one of my favorite clips of all time. Somebody literally pulls down... A drag brunch? Yeah, yeah. That sounds terrible. Wait, wait, but, dude, it's so...

Do you know who Wake is? No. He's like one of the guys from, like, Cam Canoe we were doing these workout streams. And Nick kept telling me that we shouldn't go to this because there's going to be like a dick on stream. Uh-huh. I get absolutely hammered.

I'm not paying attention. And somebody goes and, like, is pulling out their penis. Ooh. Wake goes to get a drink of water. Yeah. And his muscle is like huge. And he blocks this giant car. And Nick turns the camera.

around and I don't get banned. It was just close to get in van. I never did another one after that. I just, but the identity of Twitch, like he's so right. There used to be this feeling where you felt like you were actually

a part of something. All of Twitch felt like a community. Like if Tyler One did something, everybody was talking about it. And it was cool. You felt like you were part of a bigger thing. When TI happened, like there were people who didn't watch Dota

that would still see like what was going on in Dota. Now, it feels, Like, I feel like a rat pushing a button on a Skinner box some days. The reason for that, in my opinion, is Twitch staff or out of touch completely. They're probably older people that have no idea about anything. Like, they're just super out of touch. Do you think that when you're talking about Kik having an identity,

do you think it's going to be a new identity? Do you think the platform with the right content creators could feel like Twitter? I mean, Kik's identity is like the cooler version of Twitch. is Twitch with blackjack and hookers. I mean, I don't think it's that black and white. I think it's the cooler version. I mean, yeah, but I mean, you have to admit, I mean, the blackjack is pretty much locked in.

The hookers actually not so much. Like, I've noticed that. There used to be so many girls on Twitch that were doing things like, you know, the pool streams and everything. There's almost none of them. Well, women are gay now because of AI. I know. Yeah, it's awful.

Like, because I'll go. and I'll look at just chatting, and there used to be like dozens of girls that were like dancing and shit for money. Now there's like one maybe, and that's it. Well, like they've pretty much killed it. It's twofold. So I actually...

Because they can make other fucking money on Onlyfans. Sorry, could I go take a piss? Go ahead. Sorry, I just... I actually need to as well. Go ahead. Really quick, though, before I forget this, you want to know what's crazy?

You are Jewish? If you, if you are Jewish, if you are Jewish, I will teach you how to be a Jew. What's step one? Step one? Yeah. We'll go, we'll take you to a Shabbat dinner.

What the fuck is that? We get a fucking group of goyms. They turn off the lights for us. They turn them back on and we eat some hala. Is that them or? What? Never mind. What's holla?

No, no, no. We don't eat the goy. We only do that on passive. Yeah. Okay. That's good. No, no, no. Don't worry.

I don't know, man. Nothing like I'll teach you to be a Jewish. If you are over 2% Jewish. Uh-huh. We will do an all. special where you get a bar mitzvah. I mean, 2% is nothing. Really? Yeah, he's definitely 2% Jewish.

There's no way. No, everybody's like 2% Jewish. No, dude. No, there's no way, right? Christianity's a spell of beauty. I'd say, I'd say a lot of people probably have like four or five percent Jewish. Oh, man. Yeah, like, I'm like probably like 2% black. Oh, man.

Yeah, I'm 1% black. Yeah, yeah. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Look. Okay. Then I might have to do this. I don't know.

I'm, I think you're like, I think you're like, I think you're, I mean, when it comes to DNA. When it comes to DNA testing, you're probably like 1% black as well. Like, yeah. This is nothing. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's just like, I'm gonna be real, bro. I think you're at least 20% Jewish. 20% is a lot. Quinn is over 12% Jewish. Holy shit, really? Okay, well, maybe. I don't fucking know, man. What do you think you are? I don't know, fucking German. They said German, Scottish, and Irish. That's what I was told. That's the least Jewish thing, imaginable. I'm, I'm Scottish. Especially German.

But no, no, German is like, there are a lot of German Jews. No, no, no, but like, think about it, dude. How hard is it if you don't look Jewish as a Jew? If you're in Germany, dude comes up with a funny mustache and he's like, are you Jewish? No. Yeah, okay. I guess that makes sense. So there's a lot of people who are German Jews who wouldn't know that they have that ancestry.

Because guess what? It's literally just like, it's what book you, right? It's like not that big of a deal. You though, on the other hand, you are a sleeper cell sent by Mossad. Like, you are like, I'm telling you, you control media type shit. Oh, fuck. Okay. You are the bad, you're the evil Jew.

I'm the one that they write the stuff about and like they make the stereotypes about. No, you're the guy who writes the stereotypes to throw people off the trail. Oh, okay. Right. Of course. Then throw other people to the wolves, right? Yes, of course. You're keeping us fighting.

I don't, yeah, okay, yeah, sure. I don't know. I mean, I feel like people have gone. I'm going to be real. People have gone absolutely fucking crazy. Like ever since COVID, everybody is fucking insane. Like every conspiracy theory is real. Every, you know, like crazy thing that people can imagine is true. Every ideology is more extreme.

Holy fuck, man. It's just the internet, bro. Really? Yeah, go outside. I'm going to be real. The only thing that I have seen people talking about in the real world about, like, that's like online culture is actually convict. Clevicular. All of my normie friends know about cliquetri. I mean, I disagree. I think a lot of people in the real world nowadays have gotten stupider.

Oh, they're definitely, you're definitely right. Like a lot of you, like nobody believes in the moon landing anymore. I think you're right, by the way, is that the reason why people don't want to believe in the moon landing is that it is one of the things that America did that destroyed Russia. Bro, like we beat this shit. They barely even got something into space. We're on the fucking moon. And so if, if, they can make it up, like we didn't even go to the moon, then this is like one of the times that we flexed on the entire world, right? We mogged Russia, China. Of course we went to the fucking moon. Duh. God damn right. We went to the fucking moon. We're going to go to the moon again. Didn't we just do it? No, no, we went around the moon. We go to the moon in 2028.

Dude, there's so much human shit up there right now. It's crazy. Would you go to space on stream? Yeah. Would you want to? Yeah. I'd love to. I would go with you in a heart. I'd go to the moon. I'd do whatever. Really? I would go on a one-way trip to Mars.

Shut the fuck up. As long as I can stream and have internet. Yeah. Yeah, I'd do that. I'm gonna be real. I would too. Yeah. I would die for that.

That's a once- I feel like it's only eight years to get over to Mars. So like as long as you have- No, no, it's nine months. No. Is it? No, it's nine months? Yeah.

Oh, it's nothing. Wait, that's nothing. Nine months? That's it. Yeah, nine months. Yeah, it's just getting back is not happening. There's no getting back. Yeah, because you can't bring enough fuel.

Yeah. So you would need to be able to manufacture fuel on Mars to be able to get back. So it's a one-way trip. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So it's like, can't they do something else besides the fuel? I don't know. Like, I mean, you can technically, no.

No, no. I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea. There's, I mean, this is like, they're trying to come up with, it's called a solar sale that basically creates thrust. based off of the radiation. Yeah, they already tested that. Yeah.

It works. Really? It's just really slow. Well, it's, uh, standing. No, it's really fast,

but it's really small. Mm-hmm. You can't put a human on it. It's tiny. Oh, my, because it has no mass. Yeah,

yeah, it's like, it's basically, it's like an atom of propulsion. Yeah. So it's like, that's what I was saying it like, it would technically move a big ship,

but it would be like, it's a theoretical. Yeah. Yeah. So slow. Well, it would move a big ship, but you would,

need a huge solar thing. And it's just not plausible. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think not yet. Nuclear propulsion is probably the most obvious route. I just I want to see us go to we need to build a moon base.

We need to have like a Mars base. I feel like we need that like just to flex on everybody else. I mean, AI is so good now. You have like fucking anybody over the age of 60. It's just looking at AI and believing everything about it. Like, I don't know what...

You know the push that they're trying to make now? No. With cloud computing. Well, I've heard of this. But no, the push that's being made right now is instead of providing internet as a service, they want to provide all computing as a service, and they want to have that centralized and commoditized. So, or commodified, I guess it would be. I don't know which one it is. But they want to make it a commodity. So essentially, instead of paying a monthly subscription to Brock and paying for your internet and all that, you are paying for

computing, which means that you don't own a real computer. You're tapping into do that, which means you're paying for you have no control over anything. You don't own anything. It's like the core boys. That's not going to work. Yeah. That is like a big push that's going out right now. That's not going to work. That's not

no one's going to be okay with that. I hope not but the thing is is what people cause evil like that to happen convenience. Fear. Fear. Convenience is the most dangerous thing that humans will gravitate to. that we have a couple more of those

assassination attempts on Trump. Somebody gets popped off that's high level in the government, and before you know it, we have another Patriot Act. Everything is recording you. Everything is being sent through an AI filter. It's the new normal, and it's a total surveillance

state. By the way, we're going to lose all our fucking sponsors. Walking up to this building, are they real? Walking up to this building, I met somebody from Info Wars, and I'm going to probably go on the show. literally 10 minutes before this show started. They just noticed me.

What's InfoWars? Alex Jones. Oh, holy shit. Yeah. It was really fucking random. Did you see the Pragata game? You say you play PlayStation games. Yeah.

Okay. Do you see the game Pragata? No. Oh, so good. It was so fun. You need to play this. We should show. It's such an insanely good game.

So basically, new Capcom IP. Yes. They haven't come out with a new IP. you know, a little wild. It's been a bit. Yeah. So the idea to the game is you play like an older astronaut. And there is a small child, a girl that is basically a sentient robot.

It's a robot. And you kind of take on the father role with this robot. And the gameplay is basically, you have a gun and she's on your back hacking the robots. And then you shoot them after she hacks them. It's a pretty good gameplay loop. It sounds really stupid because it's basically you're solving CAPTCHAs while you're playing an FPS. It sounds like the most retarded, stupid,

awful game that you can ever imagine, but it's actually very good. So this game is great. It's a great game. Meanwhile, you go on Twitter, everybody's making these weird pedo comparisons and all this other bullshit. And it's like, holy fuck, like, what is wrong with you?

I feel like even thinking, like, if you play that game and you think about that, you think about peto shit, like you're a fucking, you're a pet. And it's girls doing this. It's absolutely foyd behavior. It is. They think it's pedo stuff

because there's this a child. Yeah. Which is weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. Like he and I both played the entire game.

It has nothing. It's not even like 1% of that. There is nothing. It's literally like a familial relationship. It's so wholesome. To be honest though, I think any kind of like outcries on Twitter or whatever, it's all fake anyways.

All they do, and that's the thing is like so much of the like, one thing that I think is really funny is like watching streamers. It's like, you know, Babby's first controversy. It's like you're watching somebody have like their first meltdown and they think, oh my God, my career's over. It's like, no, these people don't even watch you. They just get mad recreationally. Like that's what I think too is like all of these people like I've had so many people get angry at me and it's meant absolutely nothing. It's never affected my viewership. it's never had people like maybe

you know a hundred extra people will dislike a video nobody cares who gives a fuck like two people in chat will come in and be like well why'd you say that and that's it nobody cares about this I mean look dude did you see this shit with GameStop by the way? No dude apparently GameStop's trying to acquire eBay

I feel like eBay is like when I hear this eBay is like this massive company and they're getting bought by game I thought that feels like me trying to buy you yeah exactly I thought it was like, yeah, like GameStop is like a meme. I thought it was a meme stock. How are they buying other companies?

I thought that that stock was less reliable than his coin. Okay. I had 30, bro. You see, mine, boy, let's get done. But yeah, no, it doesn't make sense, but it's only an offer, right? So I know about Polly market right now, there's a whole prediction market as whether or not this is actually going to go through. I, dude, I think it should go through. I do.

it should have why? Well, because I think it'll be funny. Okay. I do. I think you're basically saying that you would go on the side

of it going through. Would I bet? So would I bet on it happening? Who the fuck else is going to buy eBay? Yeah, sure. Why not? Why did eBay they need to be?

So, okay, let's think about it, you know, like, because GameStop is thinking about, because like, if you guys been to a GameStop recently? Like, I mean,

it was like nothing at a GameStop. The only thing that's there is a race. It's a bunch of toys and cartoons and like shit like this. It's not even any video games anymore. So, like, they're basically getting into the business of selling bullshit. That's what they're doing. They're selling bullshit.

Oh, so you think that they're going to take some of the stuff from eBay and do, like, a commissary? And then they're going to do, they're going to be selling tons of bullshit and other people's bullshit. And people can sell their bullshit on eBay. Whoa. I think that's what it's got to be, right? That's actually a good idea. It basically turns into a gaming focus commissary.

Like, I don't know. It's only 50. man like I feel like you're saying the market cap is 50k yeah it says 50k volume 53 like that's nothing man I could easily see that happening I could I think the 15 is too well I do like I would expect it to be a lot higher than that do we know what the the offer was like how much money it I have no idea like I feel like the moment that you figure out like uh you know any of this stuff and like if 15 like so if you if you put in like what is that like 10,000 you'd be getting 100 and like there's no way right it's crazy well eBay so just because I want to

have this way eBay is revenue stream is primarily they take a 15% service fee yeah it's probably just a service fee right yeah of course which I bet that probably is really profitable yeah I mean think about how much volume they do yeah exactly and it's also it's a lot safer than something like and everybody knows eBay like everybody knows what eBay is this household name for sure yeah exactly more so than GameStop I feel like at this point like yeah, probably like nobody goes to GameStop anymore. Like, who the fuck goes to GameStop? When was the last time you went to a GameStop?

Actually, I went to a GameStop to buy a Switch 2 and there was... I did too. I had to, I couldn't get in though. Yeah. Because I went in L.A. So there's a guy right in front of the door like... Oh, yeah. I was like trying to get around the Braille.

He's a more sturdy foundation than the GameStop itself. But yeah, no, that was the last time I went in. I got the Switch 2 and I haven't used this single time. Same. I would have been better. I bought two or three video games on it. I haven't played. Yeah, because they're all for girls.

Yeah, I know. But you know what's not for girls? What? Code all crafts. Go on the Polymarket right now. You get $20 for free and it does a lot to support the show. Yeah. Thank you very much, Polymarket, for some reason supporting us.

Yeah. That's great, right? Wow. Hey, I think we're doing all right. This guy, how many times did you have world-ending things that, well, everybody else acted like it was world-ending. You're still fucking here. A couple times.

It only matters if you make your own viewers hate you. That's exactly right. Yeah. If you do that and make people hate you and make them mad at you that actually watch you. I think it's actually, if you make other people hate you that are not your viewers, I think it actually makes your bond with your viewers better. Because it's like, yeah, fuck those people. We're on your side.

We're like, yeah, we're being attacked or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's probably the case. Like to me, yeah. I mean, like, I have gotten like, I mean, I, oh my God, like there's been so many fucking things. Like every single week, there'll be like some massive hate thread about me doing something that like I didn't even like I didn't even, like, I didn't even, some of these cases I didn't even fucking do. And it's like people just get mad for nothing.

But it's so funny. But it doesn't matter. It's so funny though, because the shit that people attach themselves with you, because I, my normie friends will message me stuff. Good. And means they're watching. Yeah, well, the thing is, is they're not. Yeah. Like, that's the thing, and they're not going to.

That's the funny thing. So, like, the beef jerky thing from last week. Which, what's the one about? Zach talked about his diet last week. The dude eats, like, his body weight and beef jerky every day and drink soda. You eat beef jerky a lot, right? I do. Do you drink soda a lot?

I don't, no. Why not? Because it's not good for you. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, like. Goyslop. Oh, come on. You're going to be getting hemorrhoids, dude.

Fuck. No, I'm not. Who are you going to trust about whether or not you're going to get hemorrhoids? The guy who knows nothing about or the guy who's sitting there with a hemorrhoids. I have a hemorrhoid right now. Yeah, it sucks. You drink that soda. You're going to be getting some. Dude, I don't, like my mentality is that... What fiber do you have in your diet?

This is the most retarded thing that I believe. If I can't imagine something happening, it can't happen. I don't even want to begin to understand the concept of diabetes. I don't even want to know or understand what like what a hemroid is. Like I don't like the moment that you start thinking about it then you visualize it, then you manifest it, then you have a fucking hemorrhoid.

I low-key think that that is what yes. Most people feel. I don't want to. And that's how you end up on my 400 pound life. That's 600. 400's not that big of a deal. Well, I don't think you're going to get diabetes.

Yeah. You don't think they, can get diabetes. No, I think diabetes is genetic. You can definitely... Like, it just depends on how sensitive you are to insulin. You make your stats go up, though, right? Like, I definitely

think you're genetically predisposed, but if you eat... Well, everybody was talking about... So, I had my blood pressure taken, and it said I was 193, which is, you know, this is very high. And then they took it again, and now it's 120. So, like, all I had to do, what did I really

change? Not a lot. But you said that That was five years ago. I did. Well, no, I had it checked like literally because they put in new teeth. I got new teeth. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. So you're good now.

Like this week, I had it checked. And like another time week before that, it was checked again. But like, all I did is I started thinking to myself, I don't have high blood pressure anymore. I stopped thinking about it. No, that's not what. And, well, yeah, I exercise a little bit more. I mean, I never woke up and was like, yeah, hemorrhoids.

I never, it just happened, dude. No, no, I feel like, yeah. And I'm thinking of myself, like, okay, well, I'm just not going to think about having high blood pressure or anything else. You are essentially blaming him for metaph- Actually, you know what? I'm not saying you, I'm talking about myself. Let me tell you actually what's going to happen because I had your mentality. I felt, I felt like there was something in my asshole that was not right, but I just never believed it, never cared about it. And what ended up happening was, it was a hemorrhoid that became prolapsed.

Oh, God. Jesus Christ. So when you ignore it, it gets worse until you can't ignore it anymore. Oh, my God. I just, do you eat any fiber? What? Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. He is getting.

What is fiber? What, what, what would? Broccoli, like kale, no, spitting. Anything green counted out. What else besides that? That's where the, maybe some fruit. Okay. What are besides that?

Do you like blueberries? You should eat blueberries. I like blueberry muffins. God damn, bro. I do. They're great. And I like the... You know what I'm trying to do? This is a little bit of a... This is definitely a move, especially after the conversation we just had.

He doesn't spend any of his money. I'm trying... I brought it up on the last episode. I got to... Dude, a lot of people are messaging me saying that they would go. I'm trying to build when he dies. Hopefully it's not soon. The Asmond gold pyramid. I'm trying to build a full-ass fucking pyramid. We get a full tour in there, hologramed the whole nine yards, bro.

Like where his body is? Like a real pyramid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's just like a hologram or like, fucking there it is, dude. Oh, my fucking God. Wow, dude. Welcome to the fucking pyramid, dude. Jesus Christ.

I don't know if I, yeah, I, I, fuck, what the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck you thinking? No. Well, how, how am I going to make money when you die? That's the point. Yeah, you're right. It can shoot my channel. Yeah.

You can do like an AI stream. Like, if you've seen these AI girls on Instagram, I beat you busy? Holy fuck. Yeah, exactly. It's fucking. nuts. Like, I see some of these, and it's like, it's so good. Like, people are now using these AI chicks and they're actually making money on only fans. There's guys writing them love

letters and they're not even fucking real. I love this. I think it's amazing. I think the world has gone absolutely crazy and it's just getting worse every single day. And I just hope I can monetize it or take advantage of it somehow. I think that's all there is. I think it's going get really good soon. Yeah. And then it's going to, like we're right now, we're about to hit wrath the Litch King. Yeah. And it's going to be incredible. Where do you see the world in a hundred years? A hundred years. Like the social. I think that our part of the cabal by then, you know, I think that our existence is going to be completely digital. I think that we are going to have a totally digitized existence and a lifestyle. And it's going to be controlled partly by corporations

and partly by governments. And there's going to be an intermingling of the two where they're seen as two branches of government where people are basically working in order to either pay off things inside of that world or to enjoy certain privileges that that world has effectively paywalled. Like ready player one. I've never watched it, but like I've just, I've just been fucking thinking about this.

So you think you're going to get uploaded into digital surfdom? I don't think you're going to get uploaded. I think you're going to want to get uploaded. And in the outside world, because this is what's happening, is that you have, even now, think about how many jobs there are to where people, all they do is they just help somebody else that makes more money than them, right? There's like assistance, like DoorDash, Uber, shit like this.

And so there are all of these like pseudo-servant jobs now. And I think that what that's caused is it's going to create an entire underclass of people. and we're going to be right back to what you're saying, feudalism. I actually think the virtual thing that you said, probably likely because everything's going to be robotics and AI. You don't need to hire people to work at McDonald's.

Exactly. Robot will do it. You go in the virtual world. So I actually, the uploading thing brings up a lot of weird issues, right? Because then at that point, there is no means of monetization because there's no means of production once it becomes fully digital. I actually think the other part is more likely. I think that poor people,

there will be... The class of poor people will continue to grow, like, poor people. And that will be the entertainment. Well, they can neither be batteries or slaves. But even the type of battery that they are won't appear as insidious as it actually is. Like, when you see a free-to-play game

and a whale comes through, the whale is subsidizing all of the entertainment but the poor people are basically their entertainment. Yeah, they're like the plankton. I think we're going that in that direction. I think we should bring back the gladiator. I'm going to be honest. Like, I actually think we should do that.

Like, we need to bring that back. We need to bring back a lot of the old, like, I mean, you know, like, Crucifixions. I think we should do that. I think we should bring back crucifix? Yes, of course, like some dude, there's some fucking random idiot that killed some girl, and she's like nine or something like that.

I mean, if we can't nail him up to a cross, what the fuck? Why not? I will, here's the only issue with public execution. I do think public executions, in theory, are not only fine, I think they're a good thing. I agree. The only issue is when justice fails and they have the wrong person. Well, you're not going to win them all. I think that's an okay sacrifice. Yeah, it's, that is the, that is where I start to go because like how many people are wrongfully

jailed and then end up getting released and go on to live relatively decent law? lives. Substantially less now that we have DNA. I do think that things have gotten a lot better. I think that the further along the technology progresses and the more access that the government actually has to, like, dude, they know where we're at. They know what you're going.

People aren't really getting away with crimes like they, like they were able. Like you can't have a serial killer in 2026 the same way. I mean, you could. Yeah. A very techy one. Dude, I actually, you know what's crazy? this was like years ago I was like

low key the perfect crime is to have a pre- like have a stream that you basically recorded and it goes live and it's interacting with people in chat but it's just like pre-recorded messages that are loaded up and it's all

going off the perfect time and then you go out with no technology and like you do that shit somebody tried to do it and they got caught they did because the guys are fucking idiot did you see that yeah what a fucking he wasn't I mean you could tell it's pre-recorded well yeah And then he also brought his phone with him and turned it off the exact second that the crime started and turned it back on.

Oh, I didn't know that part. That was how they caught him. I didn't see that. That was like the evidence that was like one of the final things. Oh, shit. I mean, I think the perfect crime is just building a drone and then just dropping chemicals over large amount of people. Did you see the guy that runs Palantir saying that he wanted to do that? So the guy that runs Palantir said that he wanted to make a drone that would have a

Mitten-el-laced pissed, and he could drop it on top. By the way, Alex, Alex Karp, please come on our show. Please come on. I need to have him come on the show. We have them a line. Wait, really? Yeah. Oh, my God.

I told you that. I would love to have the time. I told you that. He's absolutely fucking insane. So I gave you a list of all the people that you potentially have his guest. He said, oh, dude, I don't fucking know, dude. I'll get back to you tomorrow, dude. We could just fucking talk about games, dude.

It was three months ago. Yeah, it was not right. We have a line, like the other guy who I want to have on soon, which the conversation that you brought up is what we're going to talk about the whole time is Brian Johnson. You watch any of his shit? Yeah. The Live Forever guy. Yeah. Imagine the conversation he's going to have with Asman. It's going to be insane. I mean, he's going to tear you to shreds, bro. Really? You think so? I mean, I want to know what he's going to say. Everything that you do is opposite of what he does. I know. But like, is there like a horseshoe theory where like if you do so many unhealthy things that it makes it to. where it can be a benefit. You know what's funny about what he believes that I actually think is really true in a lot of ways? He's all about for people, our age, trying to maximize longevity,

where he thinks younger people shouldn't really be doing it and they should just be having as much fun as possible because he thinks by the time that they get to the stage in life where it's going to matter, we'll already have the technologies to cure it and heal it. So he's like, basically, he's like, the whole reason that you want to go for longevity at our age is to make it to the place where they can

actually heal you from all that shit. And drinking that's probably not going to get you there. I want you to live forever, bro. That's what you think, bro. Like, I'm telling you, like, I am going to, if I need to, I will Adam Smasher, my entire fucking body. Like, robotic arms, robotic eyes, robotic fucking legs, like everything that you need to do.

Like, I've already got fake teeth. I don't give a fuck. You could just send your dead body into space. What the fuck would that do? Because somebody, can collect it one day and then bring you back. Like some random alien I get woken up like 10 million years later and it's these weird fucking aliens. I'm not trying to go down this rabbit. I don't know about that.

But if they bring you back, it's not really you. The second that the consciousness break, like, I feel like it's just another night. I have no idea. Why? Because it's not it's not me in this moment. The string. I want my consciousness

to not stop. So if they bring your dead body back, why wouldn't it be your consciousness? It's basically just a clone. why is that it's your body well i think that you can make the clone argument if you're talking about for example you have like teleportation right like if you teleport every like you know you reiss assembles all the atom puts them back together exactly because it's different atoms so like yeah you could say with teleportation but i think if they bring the body back i don't know i think that depends how you think of about consciousness yeah i i don't think consciousness is within the body

so I think it doesn't matter. I think if they recreate your atoms, I think your consciousness could teleport to that new body. So you think that there is like it. So when you said other plane of existence earlier, like beings on another plane of existence, you think that lately we have like souls essentially that operate on another plane. I mean,

if you really want to get into it, I think the universe is get into it. I think the fabric of the universe is, is consciousness. I don't think consciousness is within the universe. is within the universe. Conscious, the universe is within consciousness. So I think, um, you know, if you teleport, I can see why people would think that's a clone. Yeah. Because it's just rearranging your atoms somewhere else. But I don't think it would be a clone because I think

your consciousness is attached to that structure of atoms because it's, it's not within the body. It's within the fabric of the universe itself. Okay. And you're connected to your specific set of atoms. But do you believe that like beyond like an illusion of, self like you think that in that existence in the universe there are consciousness like it's not one hole do you know what the what the ether is yeah the idea of it yeah yeah so i think there's an ether and i think uh you know everybody's consciousness goes into that uh when you die and then it you can come back and you think that that's essentially okay but if you go into it you're kind of melding with the whole if you when you go into it you become one with the universe there's no more ego

but you're, you know, still self-aware to some degree. And then, you know, there's reincarnation. And it just keeps going. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of, I like to believe something similar to that, too. But I also watched Lost and I really liked it. I have no fucking idea. I think that we are very, very intelligent monkeys.

And I think that we have a better idea of being able to understand the universe than, let's say, a roach has to understanding a computer. I think there's no way we can even comprehend it Well there's so many Like think about how there's so many Well you can bring up so many Logical

Think about how many and 50 is All logic Yeah it doesn't make sense Well it's also it's like The the God The old one that they teach in college all the time Where people argue it's like Can God create a rock

Oh yeah That he can't lift Yeah it's like He's not all powerful Fundamentally breaks A lot of the logic that we have Also, when you start to even look at math in certain ways, the idea of whether or not this is a simulation, and it becomes infinitely likely because if it was a simulation, I am a partial simulation belief. So, mathematically, it's more likely that you're in a simulation than not. I am a partial simulation belief. I mean, I've heard of that theory. I don't think it's true. You don't. Which is, no. Okay. But mathematically, based off of math that we've created and the way that we frame the world, math, math.

mathematically it's more likely. I think I don't think we're in a simulation because I think we would be soulless if we were in a simulation. Well, how would you know that you're soulless? Well, you wouldn't be able to have introspective thoughts.

Well, I don't know. Who said that? And how do you know that I am? Like, you sit there right now. You have no idea. I am pretty sure that I am real. I think I don't think any of this is real I think it's all, you know, like a projection

of the universe. That we create. Holy shit. Like, okay, I think our conscious consciousness is the universe. Yeah. All of this is just a projection that the universe is sending

sending out that we are experiencing. But this isn't our true selves and our true experience. I think our true experience is at a higher dimension. We're bringing our, down to this lower dimension so we can learn something and experience the universe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and you think that that level of existence creates this one for an express purpose that we don't fully understand that we go back and keep doing it.

Right. Yeah. I think if we want to learn about the universe and really what it's what it's about, instead of going into space, we should be looking down at going into like atoms and, you know, like, which we're trying to do. Subatomic. Which we're trying to do. I mean, like,

we're, I mean, we're still looking for, like a unified theory. And, I mean, we literally have the, the hydron collider.

Still going right now. Yeah. I mean, I think the things that we've actually found from it, I think we've, they have a lot of proofs that are out from, about the Higgs boson. Well,

they're trying to figure out now. They're trying to simulate the Big Bang. And I will say that I don't believe that. I think that's, retarded. It's such a placeholder. It's a placeholder story. That's not really what they're trying.

I don't think the Big Bang was real. There's no fucking way. I think that the Big Bang, I do think that it was real, but I... Really? Yeah, but I... How the fuck would that happen? Do you believe in time travel?

Um, so I actually, like, we're getting into belief. I... Do you think it's possible? Um, so I think that all time exists simultaneously. So how can the Big Bang be real? So I think that the Big Bang is an event where different planes of existence

touch and exchange information. So I think it's an information exchange, not an information creation. Oh, this is like, that's like the lore of Witcher 3. Yeah, no, I think that's a cop-out. I think if time has always existed, like you just said, it's simultaneous,

then the universe has also been simultaneous. There's no beginning or ending. Okay. events still like even if we're perceiving it in a way that appears linear even if it's happening in a way that's not linear different events can still happen different matter can be in different positions at a different time matter can still here's the thing that's weird though if the universe is infinitely big then that changes the whole idea of time as well because that means that everything is happening infinitely

because the universe is infinite so there's infinite configurations of matter so this configuration of matter is... Well, you don't know if it's it like I don't even... We don't know. Like, I don't think we have any fucking idea.

I really don't. I think that we understand a lot less about it than we think we do. But I'm Jewish, so I inherently know more about it than you do. Wow, because you're from the old people.

I think the universe is infinite. I mean, when you're going into your mind and you're thinking and imagining shit, that's infinite. you can imagine infinite different things in your mind. There's no cap. There is a cap. What's the cap?

I mean, there's a few caps, right? I mean, the thing is, is right now, you can only, like, we're kind of set up the same way as a computer in a lot of ways, right? We're even in labs right now taking human, they're taking basically stem cells, creating brain matrices and turning them into computers. They've actually successfully made isolated neurons play Pong. There's Doom.

Did they do you? So they had this fucking thing where they used people's brain matter and they were able to train it to play Doom. They did Pong as well. Yeah. The thing that was tricky about it is you want to know the funny thing about the neurons? What's that? By default, they're not incentivized to do anything. And the trick was actually finding ways to electrically reward them to get them to do it.

The reason why I say that is at a certain point, there are, physical limits to what could be imagined by the mind that we know as of right now. Like there are physical limits. The thing is, is I can't actually think of that. How can you know what they are? Yeah, I can't push that far. This is, this is the way I look at it, right? Like, you think about it. Like, breakdown. Can a dog imagine a rocket ship? I mean, yeah, why not? But how the fuck good a dog know what a rocket ship is?

Like, they can't even understand a car. They can very... I mean, a dog is not going to... They can't understand a rocket. In theory, they could think about it, but they're just not smart enough to understand it. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's the same thing.

But that's not a limitation. That's just... Well, I would propose in theory that they cannot... They don't have the architecture there to go down that line of exploration to actually think that way. Why not? Because they're...

the structures, so go back to this experiment, they isolated neurons from the human brain. They were able to do this. They isolated neurons from a rat's brain, and the rats were worse at Pong. There are, we don't fully understand it, but the neurons in a rat's brain are fundamentally different and networked differently.

They're retarded. They're fucking retarded. So there are ways, and I'm not saying that it's less or better or anything like that, the capabilities of different species of animals is completely different. I mean,

Pong is a very human-driven game. A rat isn't going to be good at a human-driven game. Well, okay. Therein lies the difference of what will possibly be imagined. But that's not a human, that's not a limitation. That is just human ego getting in the way of the experiment. I would say that the outcome. These are like neurons.

I think that there's a person. Yes, but the set of outcomes. Uh-huh. And look, when you look at a computer, it's zeros and ones. Once you run out of being able to order them in a certain amount of ways, you've hit the cap. There's a group of heuristics that the human brain is able to think within, and you can't think without those. And that's a limitation. Now, can we break that limitation?

I think that's what's fighting towards. I think AI and technology can. The thing is that- But AI is inherently a rule-based system as well. Eventually, you move outside of that rule set. Yeah. But yes, but then the rule set would be increased. the set of rules that it's able to operate on, which is still capped.

Of course, right? But, like, eventually the capped amount of rules that it can operate on will exceed our own. But eventually, you will always be capped by zeros and one. Unless it can rewrite its entire architecture, which I'm not saying is absolutely impossible, but it's highly... I think it could happen, man. I do. And I think that even if the AI was able to, like, solve the universe, we wouldn't even be able to understand what it was telling us.

We wouldn't even know it. You're not very big into the metaphysical, are you? No, no, I actually Because I think consciousness is more powerful than the brain I don't think the consciousness in the brain are not the same thing So that is actually a line of thinking

that I can go with When I think within the physical plane I do believe that the physical plane has a set of rules And I do believe that those rules Was like gravity Yeah, but the thing is If you say that the same

is all fake. Right. Well, gravity, I mean, gravity. That's one of them, right? I mean, gravity might also like, I mean, we're starting to think that gravity more and more. I mean, like... You're going to say gravity's fake, dude. No, no, no, no.

It's like more and more related to time than, than... I haven't seen anything about that. I mean, it's actually... That must be very new. No, uh, I think it's existed for a long time. Yeah. But there's a very... You cannot have gravity without time in the equation.

Because you can't have anything without time. that's actually not entirely well in physics yeah name one thing you can have without time um so so you're basically saying that the order of physics right and then there's like the whole idea if it can go forward it should be able to go backwards and all but the time is a direct relation in those equations that actually now this is not it's a counting measure what you're saying time is a counting measure yeah yeah but basically what people are theorizing on uh-huh is that

gravity, because you know that if there's different gravitational pools and things like that, time moves at different speeds. Yeah. So that's like the basic. I still don't understand that. I don't think that we understand it. So I can pair it off a lot of different things

about it. Because like I sit here right now and say, this is all I've wanted my entire life is the hyperbolic time chamber from Dragon Ball Zing. That's all I've wanted is that I want to be able to go in there and play any video game I on for 150 hours and come out and it's been a day. Like, that's all I want. It would be amazing.

And they can't fucking do that. I'm going to be real. I think, uh, I don't think it would be amazing. I think that the more that we get convenience and the more that we get a lot of these things, the more joy gets sucked out of our lives. I don't know. I mean, like, do you think that social media makes people unhappy? Yeah. You do? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, dude, am I the only person that like just loves going on social media and starting trouble and getting mad like you're in a unique position i am if you uh were a normal person it i think social media just makes the normal person insecure really also like because you're comparing yourself to everybody else in the world and also just like just think about it like this we've never really had a real conversation before i don't know if you

guys have ever really had a real conversation before not like this this is like i'm happy right now. And this is like a type of happiness you're never going to get on social media. And I think that the more that we move towards convenience, the less we get in rooms with each other, the less you're playing Halo sitting fucking elbow to elbow on the couch. Like, dude, the amount of times that we even go and we go to like fucking pop-i and you're like on your fucking phone, you're like, oh, dude, fuck and look at a son, dude. Wow, he looks pretty fucking cute, dude. I never said that. Wow, look at that little fucking head, dude. There it is, dude. There it is. I'm going to talk about that tomorrow, dude. Oh, that. That's what I say.

No, but you know what's funny? I haven't seen Hassan in six years, probably never seen him again. Same thing. On LSF, chewing his nicotine gum. It's just like, this is great. Yeah. Talking about real shit. Like, I'm so interested.

Like, I want to know more about what you think. People don't have conversations as much anymore. No, because they don't want to. And nobody thinks about anything anymore. That's the reason why. You think you do, but you don't. People go to convenience over and over and over again, instead of doing the more difficult thing and having real interactions with people.

Those are the things you remember. I mean, I guess. I just, I feel like nowadays nobody wants to critically think about anything. Nobody wants to have their own opinion about anything. Like, I've noticed this a lot. You want to know what's funny?

What? Last night, I actually stayed up all fucking night because I started watching. They just did a Netflix adaptation of Lord of the Flies. And I was like, man, I mean, those probably get me in the right. mindset to talk to Ice Beside.

Yeah. Basically one of his streams. But I stayed up all night and I was watching it. And the first thing I did after, because I haven't read the book since I was like younger, you start looking up all the interpretations and stuff about it. You don't sit and come up with your interpretation first. Now, because there's so much access out there. They're like, man, why are these trees red at this point?

And it's like, oh, this is because like the forest is getting more savage to represent. Like, you kind of, I feel like there's always this layer of getting other people's opinions before you form your own now. I mean, weak-minded people do that. I think that there's a temptation there always. And I think that I sat there and I thought with my, but I do think that I am less likely to think fully on something than before. And I think that there's like a layer there.

People are afraid. I do think that weakness, I think it's fair to call somebody weak for that. I really do. But I think that the, I think that that temptation and that way of existence. this thing is more common now. Yeah, it's an addiction, I'd say. You know, people don't want to think for themselves. It's fun to see what other people have to think,

but I think that's, you know, going to harm your creativity and harm your mind. I go a step further, though. I agree with everything that you say. I think that the step further is, though, that people give too much authority to things that they read and act like they're... Because people want to know the truth.

They're trying to get to the... the truth with the capital T. They want to know the real thing. They want to know the right thing. And then they take these sentences written by people who are no smarter than they are and accept that is the truth. I think that they are smarter than they are. I think average people have gone down a lot in IQ. I think that people not only are they dumber, but they're afraid to be smarter. Because the moment that you start thinking for yourself is the moment that you find yourself at odds with the mob. because there are so many conflicting and totally contradictory ideologies that people hold simultaneously

and the moment that you ask well wait a minute if you believe this then how can it make sense with this well now you're a bad guy and you're kicked out of the group I think that's what fucking happened I agree I also think that we're biologically an inferior species

to what we were hundreds of years ago because of microplastics the diets that we have right now and things like that. I think that our minds and our bodies are actually weaker. I mean, you even look at little things that happen, like crime spikes that were directly correlated with the amount of lead that was being consumed by the... Like Roman? Well, it did happen in the Roman. I mean, they were literally sweetening their wine with lead acid. Not a good idea. Very much not a good idea. My God, did it taste good? You can ask the babies that were eating

paint chips that then went on to go on crime sprees. Yeah. And why does that happen? Because it sheds the mylar sheaths, which then causes the human brain. to have worse reactions and fall back on violent situations and be more violent. And the second that lead was removed, there was a big drop in crime. But we do that with so many different things because of convenience. It's turned that off. Like so many people, like this is so many people committing crimes now. What do you think about that, though, when you can see these physical things

that interact with consciousness, if you believe that there's a consciousness that exists outside, why does the physical expect, like, reflect on change your behavior? Yeah. Um, because, you know, your consciousness is still who you are. Obviously, being inside of the physical body is a part of the experience. So if you're eating a lot of lead and getting anger outbursts from it, it doesn't change who you are as a person on the inside, but these are impulsive behaviors that, um, don't reflect consciousness. Um, you know, impulsive behaviors are a very physical thing, not a conscious thing. And you think that maybe experiencing that different type of physical reaction is part of the experience that we're learning from.

Yeah, it's part of the experience. I mean, I do agree that the human mind is far less than it used to be way back in the day. Yeah. You know, humans were probably way smarter than they were now because they were able to, you know, become a, they were a little bit more enlightened. You know, with technology and social media and all this stuff, looking at other people's opinions. No one thinks for themselves. No one sits and meditates.

No one sits and has any introspective thoughts. So they're not growing as a person. So they are... I think that's the norm. I do. I think that's what most people need to be. Because if everybody was a chief, the world would be chaos. You need to have the different...

You can't have everybody be a cook. You have to have some people. that are going in there and, you know, too many chefs or whatever you want to call it, there can't be everybody being a leader. Because if you, like, this is my mindset. If you look at social media, imagine going to the year 1300 and giving every fucking peasant a computer. And now they're on social media. Think of the retarded shit that they would say, oh my God, well, you know, is the sun real?

What is the sun? Is it a pancake? Is it Jesus? And they'd be thinking about this because they're fucking stupid. And so really, I think that what's happened is it was social media, especially after COVID, everybody's on the internet now. So it's given us this perception that people have gotten a lot dumber. But I think that people don't want to think as much and they have gotten dumber, but it's not

that extreme. I think the main reason why is very simply because you just gave a lot of people who were that bottom 10% of people. Those are the idiot. Those are the mor those are the retards. And you give those people a computer and internet and resources and you're going to see the depths of depravity. So sure. Because they're stupid.

But the ceiling, the floor's been lowered, but the ceiling's also been lowered. Because I think that everything... I mean, I agree with what he said. I agree. I don't think what we were saying was mutually exclusive. I think peasants would be fucking retarded. And who do you think those peasants turned into? Those peasants turned into, you know, Barney that lives on the side of the road. But I think if you went back even farther, if you went

back 20,000 years to the ancient Egyptians and gave them internet, I think they'd have smarter takes, but they would be stupor on the physical science realm, but I think they'd be smarter in the metaphysical realm. I think you're right. I think you could be right about that. The intelligence cap for an ancient human is higher than what the intelligence cap is now. There will always be retarded. It's true. It's actually true. I don't believe it.

It's physically true. I mean, dude, you're the one eating that guislaw all the fucking time. You literally, you could have been a Grecian god, bro. I don't think so, man. I don't think so. Like, I mean, I feel like whenever I drink soda. You literally, you all day go. Yeah.

Yeah, there it is, dude. And have good takes, right? That's what I do. You literally would have sat there. I agree with YouTube videos. You know how you sit there and you look at your phone like that? Don't tell me. It's me sitting there.

And you would have fucking figured that shit out. I would have probably, I don't know about that. There would have been other things I'd probably do instead. Like, I see what you're saying. Because I couldn't give a fuck about the stars. Can't do anything with those. What's fuck by star? Well, I care about stars.

Really? Why? I went to the driest place on Earth. Two months ago. Exactly. The Gobi Desert, right? No, it's the Colima Desert in Chile. Oh, fuck.

And I stargazed there. When you stargaze and a true night sky with no atmosphere, like really thin atmosphere. It's like a transcendent experience. It's, yeah, it's a whole different experience. In your mind, it's never done that. Creativity. Yeah. Okay.

I've never done that, to be fair. Out of curiosity, did you, have you done like the whole Northern Lights thing yet? I've never gotten to do it. I've always wanted to do it. How cool is it? They're all right. It's not that cool. I mean,

it's all right. Every time I ask somebody, it's always that. So you're telling me that. They're not that cool. So I should go, I should go to this desert in Chile then. I mean, yeah, the stargazing is the number one thing you can do as a human,

I think, because there's something that our mind connects to with stars. And it creates, I don't know, like creativity in your mind, like gets the gears going in your brain. You feel plugged into something bigger. is always the feeling that I've had when I did it.

No, I think it grounds you. Oh, so you think it goes in the opposite direction. I think it grounds you. Interesting. And you realize that, you know, whatever issues you've got going on, not that big of a deal. Yes. And you're able to think past these problems and connect with yourself. Yeah.

I feel like it makes, but it makes you feel like there's like a larger force, at least in me. You don't feel that way. Like, I've never had that happen. You've gone hunting? I mean like kind of Have you ever gone hunting? No Hunting

I think hunting Has a very Interesting feeling like that At least for me No like I did that a couple of times Like my dad It's like you just go over there and get them It's just a fucking like a deer

You just shoot it You don't think about the thing that you're shooting though Well yeah You're gonna eat it And what are you gonna do with it Once when's the last time you went Without technology or social media

probably last time the internet got shut down or something like that like a you know power outage so when we went so this is the thing is that like and i'll tell you that like i can if i have one hour with no technology i will accomplish more in that one hour than i have in the previous month like i will immediately be like okay i guess i'll clean all the dishes i guess i'll clean my table i guess i'll rearrange the furniture i guess i'll get rid of this garbage like and i will do that i I will. Like in a moment that you take away my internet, because that's how I think they built the pyramids is they don't have, they didn't have internet. So there's nothing else for them to do. So that's what happened is that like if you have nothing else to do, you end up creating something amazing. But the problem is that I always have something else to do. So I sit in my room all that. It's, I mean, it's mental heroin. I'm not saying I don't do the same thing. I'm not judging. And I never, I never stop. I, I'm always on the internet. I'm always doing the shit. Because you're no different than a fentanyl addict.

Yes. And so like because if I have like when I got suspended from Twitch, I immediately I got my teeth fixed. I cleaned up my fucking room, clean up my house. I improve my life tremendously. I'm cooking my own food. The moment I get back on the website,

I'm immediately back to ordering DoorDash, laying down on the floor, passing out on the fucking futon. And, you know, eating goy slop, falling asleep, eating ice cream, playing fucking,

Gotcha games. Hell yeah, brother. Like, it's bad, man. I quit, by the way. It is. You did? For a little bit. I spent too much money, man.

I literally tried so hard to get Caleb Hammer to tell me I was spending too much money. Yeah. And then he didn't do it. So you had to tell yourself. I had to tell myself and I did it. That's what I do. Like, I feel like that. But do you feel better about yourself when you were doing those things?

You know what really? I hate to say this. I hate saying this. But the truth is that, like, whenever I was a kid, I was. physically active eight hours a day I was playing video games eight hours a day and I was like sleeping eight hours a day and I would I feel much better whenever I'm physically active and I hate that that's true yeah but it is I do I hate it like the thing is too is there's these moments where you just feel so fucking alive like when when why do you not want to

go more towards that like if you felt good doing the dishes yeah the stuff why don't you want to continue and have like a balance. Well, so, um, well, have you played Slade the Spire too? No.

Okay. So there's like 10 levels that you have to get through, right? I'm only on the second level, but I beat the second level really easily. And if I go to the third level, I think I can beat that even your ascendance, right? Or, yeah, my ascendant.

Exactly. And so like I'm thinking about that. There's like other characters like there's another game I'm going to play. And I'm thinking about this. So I have like, All these different... Are you an acro-mancer? Oh, Diablo Four?

No, no, no. In the... With Otsey, the hand? Outsi. Which class are you playing in? Oh, silent. The... Cool.

Yeah. Like, so I'm thinking about that. I'm thinking, like, and that's the thing is, like, the moment that I get the internet back, I'm, like, reading something that's making me mad. Because you're trying to achieve the goal. Yeah. Because you're an addict. This is what I do.

Yeah. There has to be something that I'm doing. I have to be doing something. And the moment that I have something that I'm not doing... doing like I I lose my fucking mind. I mean if it if you feel just as good doing that versus when that's the problem that I do then I do like it literally doesn't like as long some go ahead so I recently got diagnosed with what autism no no fuck you uh no there's no there's no wrong being autistic because if you're watching this you're probably not but uh no ADHD okay everything

that you're saying right now you might have it too oh great oh good oh good that's amazing. Have you ever taken Adderall? I want to. I've never taken it. I've thought about it. Have you? Yeah, every day.

Really? Does it work? Do you have ADHD? It's great. I don't have ADHD. It's fucking amazing. So here's the reason why I worry about it, is my dad took Adderall. And he was not supposed to.

He would just take Adderall. And he would be on Adderall, shrooms, smoking weed, pharmaceuticals and on top of that probably something else I can't even think of right and I remember he'd be having conversations with me falling down not even missing a beat talking and so no I like and he would just never stop he would never shut the fuck up he would just constantly constantly constantly go for like eight hours straight of talking who's that right me no no no it put me to shame he's 70 fucking eight yeah and I'm thinking Yeah, it was insane.

And so I'm thinking about this. I don't know if I'd want to take Adderall. I'm afraid of that. Well, I think that's a bad example because if he's doing all this other stuff as well, it's not really good example of Adderall. I think if you took Adderall since you have ADHD, it would actually... Oh, we've already decided this now. It would have if you took Adderal, since you have ADHD, I think it would actually make you talk less.

You'd be calmer. And you would feel more motivated to do other things because you want to be chasing dopamine, which is, dude, I do the same thing. And look what we do. No, I disagree with that. When I take Adderall, I can game like 20 hours. Yeah, yeah, but that's because you just said you don't have. I don't have it.

Yeah, so it kind of flips the script. I think if he took Adderall, he would do what he enjoys doing, but in more intensely, with less talking. I would, I think it would be different. I actually, I would be willing to take. I think that, I think that if he took it, we do a polymarket prediction on this. Oh, we're good. I think that if he took it, would actually be the opposite.

I think that he would enjoy other things more. I think if you do not need Adderall, that's when you hyper-focused more on things that you do enjoy. If you need it, it balances you out. But I could be wrong. I'm not... I would take drugs. It's just that I don't want to have a side effect. That's the issue.

Anything that does something is going to... Well, I want it to have like a good side effect. Like your dick grows or something? Yeah, something like that. Like, it gives me more hair or something. You know, well... Yeah. We got to go to Canada.

I'm going to get a hair transplant, I think. I got one. I was fully bald. Why? You have plenty of hair. Yeah. Yeah, but it's only on the side. His shit was fucked up. I was completely bald. Yeah. I had a hair transplant. Yeah. Like, after.

You've already had one. Yeah, and I'm going to get a second one. Another one, bro. Like, that's like a victory one. I mean, your hair looks fine. Yeah, yeah, but I'm going to get it with him just for fun. Just for fucking. I'm literally going to get, I'm going to get like an eight-year-old Asian hairline.

Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's going to be sick. But yeah, no, when you do it because the recovery is like, it's a little annoying. I'm going to do it with you. Oh, yeah, the chia pet. Yeah. You have to spray each other's heads.

Why do you want a hair transplant? You don't strike me as somebody who would care. Because I care. All right. I think everybody has that point. So here's the thing is that like growing up, I was like, I'm going to have, like, there was a character in Warcraft and he had really great hair. And I'm like, that's what I'm going to have my hair as.

And whenever I started the journey, I was in high school. And then by the time that my hair was that long, it had receded and I couldn't do it anymore. Which character? Bury and Ren. Yes. My hair only is fucking fine in high school. And then everything just turned to shit.

So no, yeah, I want to change it. I do. Is that the only thing that you care about looks wise? What? What do you mean? Like, is that the only, because I think that that's what he was getting at is like you don't really come off as a person

who really cares that much about like looks and appearance. Everybody cares a little bit about how they look, but like it's not a big thing. Is that, is hair the only thing that you think about? Yeah. I don't like it. It's annoying. It's weird. I hear my feelings when you said that thing about my nose, bro.

Yeah. I'm being honest, man. Yeah. I didn't really know what to expect of you as like a dude. Like, I know you at. What did you expect? I literally came into this with no idea. I knew you were going to be like really.

We had a lot of retards over the years. I didn't, and I didn't think you were going to be retarded. I really didn't think that you were going to be retarded, but I didn't know what you were going to be like. Like, I didn't know if you were going to come in here and try to, like, stream. Or if you were going to, like, I didn't know. And I've heard so many great things about you as a human being. Oh, really?

All of them from Jacob. Okay. And then I've heard, obviously, like, the crazy shit, right? But when we get down to, like, the, like, talking about, like, the big picture. Like, I literally could talk about it for fucking hours. Like, I'm sitting here the whole time, like, wanting to hear more about what you think. Yeah, I mean, I, I, like, I don't know. I don't know. I spend a lot of time off the internet and I spend a lot of time thinking to myself,

you know, I'll go on long walks and I just think. I sit down on my patio and I'll just stare at the sky for an hour. Like I just think, I think, I think a lot. So I think that's how you grow as a person. Yeah. And, you know, so I think social media, internet stunts your growth. So I'd try to avoid it when I'm not streaming. So why do you keep coming back then? For money. Yeah. So it's a means to an end for you. Yeah, I mean, I like money. Yeah. So I just, you know, I go on social media to make money. I don't sit there and scroll all day because that's just we got a lot in common, bro. Yeah. I mean, that's the same way that's the same way that I feel. I think people are stupid and I hate reading stupid people talk on the internet because it makes me feel like I'm getting stupider. Yeah.

So I try to avoid that. Being around it will always affect you. And that, that's why I feel like even I don't envy you or Hassan at all. And I love money. Like I'm a money oriented person. Yeah. But the thought of having to be around people that are that angry all the time, I don't think that there's a way that that cannot weigh on you, at least a little bit. So it's really crazy because people always ask me about this.

And the fact is that whenever I'm not streaming, I'm not even thinking about. it. I it doesn't even enter my consciousness. Like I don't like I'll read a hate threat about myself and I'll be like wow the gloom are going crazy today. Yeah. And that's it. I won't even worry about I like I don't this I don't even view them as people. Okay. I don't even see them as fucking people. I see somebody saying some stupid shit like this. It's like okay. Yeah sure. Of course you think this right. You're a fucking idiot. If I don't even worry about it. If somebody came up. to you in the real world? Do you think it would roll off you the same way? Because that's the difference. It's just a couple words.

Maybe. I mean, like, maybe. I would just, I don't think anybody would have the balls to do it. Well, I'm not, I don't know about, like, I just, I wouldn't really want to think. I don't like thinking about, I don't want to think about something like that. I don't want to think about negative, like, bullshit. I don't really, like, it just, I don't want to have it control me or give a fuck about it. Like, who cares? Do you feel like you're able to get away from negativity like that when you? Nothing negative bothers me. I laugh at it.

I love reading negative stuff because I just I just troll them even more I used to read hate comments to my mom and she would just laugh at them I'd be like this person says he really should just kill himself and burn himself alive and she'd be like that that's like a thing with both of you yeah where it's a talent 99% of the people because like you know I've been around a lot of content creators for a long time they all say that they don't care I think you're the only two people that I've met who actually don't. I know for a fact he doesn't because I've known him for over 10 years now. Social or streamers, a lot of most, most streamers are just super insecure people. They care more than anyone else. They care a lot. I have it like I don't even like collabing with Twitch streamers or having anything to do with them because of just like how weird they've they've become. Well, they can't talk about anything else besides streaming.

That's exactly. And I think even like, at the start of the conversation when it's like, oh, we're three people that streamed. Yeah. You start out there because you don't know what else you have in common. This, the meat of the conversation is actually talking to somebody as a human being. But how many streamers do you know where it's like you try to talk to them about anything else? And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, should we go live right now?

Yeah. I mean, yeah, they don't know how to. They only talk about streaming. That's all they do. They don't do any character development in the real life. They never have. A lot of these people like start streaming. whenever they're like, you know, 16 or 18 or something like that.

Like I started when I was like fucking like, like, I don't know, 26 or something. So it didn't even know. How old are you? You're 25. I'm 25. No, no, no, no. You started when you were 25. Yeah.

But like, I mean, it was like it was around like I guess, yeah, technically 25, but like it probably closer to 26. Yeah. And, uh, I'm 35 now. 35. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say older. No. You said starting at 25.

No, no, no. I, because I remember, I remember very quick. The only reason that I remember that you were 25 was because I was 24. Yeah. And you're a year older than me. But the, that's, I started streaming when I was 20.

Yeah. You were a bit earlier than I was. That's why I think, like, I walked away for three fucking years and I didn't miss a single second because I feel like I had developed so much of my life without it that I already knew how to live. And also my, I lucked out the beginning of my streaming career.

I wasn't streaming. I was doing shows. I was like hosting, uh, I hosted like TI. blizzcons, like shit like that. So it wasn't like the parisocial feedback loop.

So it was very easy to like walk away from shit. Whereas like you, I do think you're a bit of an enigma because you started so young in such a parisocial environment that I think would break most people. The only other person who I think has moved past it that I can think of who I don't actually know at all

is I show speed. Yeah. I think he's evolved into a pretty respectable human being. Yeah. It's all right. But that's also parisocial with me outside looking. Well, it goes back to when I had my, you know, I had when I had my fall off, gave me a lot of time to reflect.

Yeah. And that, that reflection builds character. And then when you're, you know, you come back into streaming and then you're doing well again, you still have that character development that you can take with you. If I had never went through a hard time, I wouldn't be as developed as a person. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the way it is for everybody.

Yeah, it is like, I mean, I know that for myself. Like, people ask me like, well, you know, would you ever wish that you didn't have your teeth fall out? And I was like, well, actually no, because I went to the dentist and then they said it would be $50,000 fucking dollars to get this shit fix. And like, everybody says, I started streaming for fun. I didn't. I started streaming for money. And like, if I hadn't done that, like, you know, maybe I would have never streamed. Which is so crazy, though.

Yeah. I will say, I actually disagree with this a lot. Okay. I'm going to say this as somebody who's known you for a long time. Yeah. There is something in you that like you, your creative outlet has always been, you've been making videos since you were like 11. Yeah, 11.

Like you've always gone live in some capacity. Oh, yeah. And I feel like you really found yourself there. And it's cool. It's like watching somebody have their calling. But it certainly made it happen faster. I think it's funny that you started streaming for money for your teeth. Oh, fuck.

But now you don't give a fuck about money. No, because I already got it. Or his teeth. He literally let three fall out the other fucking day. Like, yes. It's just like, it's, it all just like, I was full circle. Yeah. Yeah.

That's exactly good. What made you start? Um, it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I, I think if I remember correctly, you were already working, right? You were like a cook. Yeah, I had a job.

Yeah. I just started for fun. And then after I quit my job, then it was like, okay, now I have to do it for money. Yeah. What made, how did you find it? Were you just like a, like kind of weird? I was making RuneScape YouTube videos and then the people in the comments were saying I should stream. So I just started streaming.

That's exactly what I did. Yeah, I was making wow YouTube videos. And then they said, you should stream and then I started screaming. That's exactly it. It worked really well. It did. I mean, my stream popped off immediately. Like, I immediately started doing well.

And so, like, I was, like, totally locked in on this. That's all I would do. It's how it's, this podcast literally started this podcast. he had just started streaming like that week. It was like super early or maybe that month, something like that.

It was very early. It might have been a little bit longer. And he was our first guest. He didn't understand that he was the guest of the podcast. I thought they wanted me to be on all the time. Yeah, at the end of the episode he goes,

so what time next week? I'm like, fuck it, all right. Yeah. And then we just did the podcast with him and that's literally how I met him. He was supposed to be the guest

on my podcast and now he owns it. Yeah, there it is, right? I mean, we've been on for two fucking hours. I don't want to stop talking to him. Holy shit.

I really don't want to stop. What else? Do we have, okay, what are you doing now? Like, what are you streaming? What are you going to do on kick? I do a lot of events. What's the next event? You know, it's going to be Big Brother.

So, you know, I do a lot of iron. Is this the fish tank thing? It's going to be my version of it. Okay. How does it work? You're going to put eight people in a house, and then they're going to vote each other out every time there's an elimination. And the final person in that, house remaining gets the prize money they get the house oh okay no the prize money

the house way too much yeah um what's up how much prize money is there probably 20 grand how long is a month two weeks two oh that's nothing oh shit yeah yeah but you know it's gonna be high fast paced yeah yeah no doubt i was i was curious okay so then they've really got to be locked in for that then yeah you know a lot of drama a lot of storylines yeah you know i'm the host i'm gonna push it all forward to make it all worked nicely yeah yeah is is there any is there any idea that you've had that you just haven't been able to get together that you're like no I've done everything I've envisioned the only I could actually the one thing that I tried to do that just was not going to happen I just didn't know how to get to work was basically it was survivor

dude okay because I don't know if you know but renting a private island is really expensive I heard one guy to one might be open though oh the Epstein one you know on ironically that's a great island for survival. It really is. It's so good. It's only $120 million. I met the guy. I wanted to do a survivor thing as well and ran into a lot of the same problems. I actually met the guy who did all of the puzzles from Survivor. I'm good friends with him now. If you ever want to do it, I'll put you in contact with it. Well, besides the price of renting an I've been. The hardest part about Survivor is the logistics of getting all the equipment on an island that is going to have power. right generators

gasoline a lot of the logistics very expensive to get everything to an island what could you do besides an island like where is there like couldn't you my my backup plan was getting a sectioned off beach area

in Hawaii so it kind of still works but there's infrastructure yeah but we're just going to section it off so we can pretend it's an island it's got to be an island dude I mean yeah that's why it's got to be a fucking island Yeah. I don't know.

Like, I think that would be fucking insane. I would watch. Yeah. I think everybody would watch that, honestly. That would be fucking crazy. But you're right. It would be really hard to do. Especially if people like, you know,

just we could fucking die, right? I mean, like, Jesus. I mean, I've done very dangerous events. No one's died. It's fine. Also, the waivers are easy to figure out. Oh, yeah. I've got a great death waiver.

Yeah. It's lovely. It says, if you die, host ain't liable. If someone else hurts you, They're liables to them. Damn. All right.

Well, there you go. I put, I put all of the, uh, the sue stuff on the contestants instead of me. Oh, that's smart.

They get to each other. Yeah. Damn, dude. It's probably a much better idea. Yeah. I love this country. Yeah.

I really do. Texas has great waiver laws. Yeah. It sure does. Yeah. We've, we've had to deal with that before. But people get to.

Yeah. It's been insane. Yeah. God. Yeah. Oh, we, we have,

we have, we have horror stories, but I think we're going to have to save it time. I had an absolute blast, man. Thank you so much for coming on. This is a really good time, man. It was good to have you on. Like, I haven't seen you for fucking like five, four years, man.

It's been a bit. And nothing really has fucking changed. I feel like it's the same. Just a few more hemorrhoids, man. That sucks. How long have you had that? I mean, I've had like three or four over the years, but right now this one's been like four days.

It's external and slightly prolapsed. So it hurts a lot. Oh, that's great. That's amazing. I've been putting cream on my ass. Oh, lovely. What's it called preparation beer, whatever? Yeah, well, I also have some suppositories that are like this big.

Yeah. You shove it up your asshole and you let it sit for 10 minutes and the medicine will melt. And let me tell you, shoving something that's this big up your ass, when you have a hemorrhoid, it fucking hurts. It's the worst pain I've ever experienced. I cried the other day. Oh, my God. I was just crying. That's why you got to eat your fucking vegetables.

I think that, so you said fiber. You could take, I mean, it's not as good, but you could start with just some metamusole. I, dude. This is getting real. If I get one hemroid, I'm going to change my life. Isn't it like one of those things? It's like once you get one, you're kind of, you've opened up Pandora's box. Oh yeah.

Once you get a hemorrhoid, they don't go away without surgery. Yeah. You have to, uh, you, what you do is you put the cream on and then it shrinks and then you still have it forever, but it doesn't hurt. But if you eat like shit, it's going to flare up again. Yeah. So like... It's like herpes. It's a good flare up. Yeah.

So it's like once you've gotten there, you've already gone... I got to stop. The more I learn about this, the more likely I'm going to be to get it. You actually think you're going to manifest. I feel like I'm going to manifest this shit. Here's what might really motivate you. Yeah, yeah. If you get a hemorrhoid and it gets so big that you need to surgically remove it,

you'll never not be able to not shit yourself anymore. You're going to constantly shit yourself for the rest of your life. So, um, you said fiber. Yep. Okay. Well, that's interesting. All right, guys. Thanks a lot for watching. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys for coming on. Appreciate it. Kick.com slash ice beside and right? Yep. Okay. It's that fucking simple. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. An absolute legend. Exactly. Eat your vegetables. Exactly. Actually, a fucking living legend. Yes. Like, uh, like the debate of the, what's it called? The Mount Rushmore. Yeah. I put four of your faces on it, man. Okay. Well, thank you.

And latter. What a hot. Yeah. Five. Okay. Well, anyway. All right, guys. Thank you very much for watching.

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