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Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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Okay, here we go. Hassan Pike. All right. Hello, Hassan Piker. What's going on? Well, I'm doing a debate. What about you? It's what I'm doing as well.

All right. Wait, hold on. Oh, are you going to show me all the time as well on the Zoom? No, just when you're talking. I can fix that one second. Let me just set it to Ethan's outfit here. If you want. There you go.

If you want, just show like, not just Ethan, but yourself as well. If you're going to talk, like, that's fine. Hey, Hassan, leave the production. Leave the production notes to my team. You can switch your show how you like. Well, you know, they were my coworkers as well, Ethan. Well, it's been a while, my friends, and guess what? They are not now.

So let's start. I mean, so you did this content. Okay, this is great. Did that go how you expected? It didn't seem to hit very hard. Before we get started, can I lay some, like, ground rules so we can have, like, a productive conversation? Okay, sure. Yeah.

Okay, so I wanted to come on to make this as issue specific as possible. But yes, you have grievances with me. And, of course, I think they're valid to address. Okay, good. Of course, we'll talk about that. Hopefully, I'll be able to address some counterpoints as well, if you will allow me in that process. Absolutely. But before we get started on anything, I would like to potentially talk about definitions.

so we can have like an established definition on a lot of the things that we're going to be talking about. Is that okay with you? I mean, it depends how many definitions you got. What do you want to define? I don't want to get bogged down in this. I'm also experiencing audio issues on my end, so hold on a second. No worries.

No worries. Okay. All right. So you're fine with that. I mean, up to a point, yeah. I mean, like, I don't want to get bogged down in a conversation. It's not like a got-to. Go ahead.

Start. No, I know you're not. I just want to get going. All right. So first and foremost, I think we should define what Zionism is and what you mean by Zionism. And what I mean by Zionism is the is a belief that Jews have should have their own homeland in the historic, you know, Palestine area. Right. That's it. Okay. We all know that.

So I believe that Zionism is a. a religious ethno-s supremacist ideology that is, that revolves around the exterminationist policies of removing the indigenous population that lived in, as you said, historic Palestine. As long as they are not Jews, because it's a religious, ethno-religious supremacist ideology. I think that this is a disagreement that you and I have. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. If you want to add that, like, the genesis of Zionism included, you know, the displacement and, you know, the ravaging of the culture that existed there, then I would agree with you. I mean, I don't think that the establishment of Israel was, like, a good thing.

I mean, it was tragic and a lot of bad things happened. But let me ask you, sir. How was filming that content? I just have to know what you felt what you were thinking as they were doing the Fortnite L behind you. get to that we'll get that we're here no no i don't want to talk about definitions you you got your zionism let's do the okay okay um yeah i don't i don't know i mean it was fine did you you participate in in other youtube videos as well in the past no but that fortnight l dancing some of them feature some of them feature sketches yeah i noticed you weren't in the other shots why was that

uh i think i was being interviewed by the journalist all that was happening. I can't, I don't remember. Really? Well, that's convenient. I think you were embarrassed, frankly. Oh, God. You are, you were absent from every other shot. Yeah, for sure. I think you saw him doing that, I think you saw him doing that Fortnite dancing, you said, I got to get out of this. And by the

way, I'm giving you credit for that. I mean, Ethan, you're, you're a comedian. You know, you participated in some sketches. You know, it's not in that happens. I mean, shit, yeah. Really? You're one of your most famous sketches you want to fucking diaper. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah.

We've done funny things. Okay, you know what? Let's not debate the merit of our comedy. You're right. I'm very hacky and so are you. By the way, you believe that the likes were boughted on that. You had said you thought the likes were boughted on the content cop. Do you still believe that?

The likes. The likes were bought it on the content cop. The dislikes were boughted. The dislikes, sorry. Yeah, you said it was brigaded and was boughted. It was unnatural, the dislikes on the video. I don't really. I don't really care about this.

I don't know. I mean, I don't recall saying this, but I don't know why this is the main point of contention. All right. So, no, no, no, no. Does he think it or not? Hold on. Let me finish and then you can do your definition. Okay.

Do you think it was? It's not my definition. That's fine. I'll answer how you like. I hope you know that like, you know, I don't know if you know this, but I didn't publish the content cop. Idubs did. Yes, I know that.

And I've addressed him thoroughly. Do you know that, do you believe he should have included the content? of the CPS call? Oh. What? What? You don't know what I'm talking about? Wait, wait, I'm a little confused.

You are asking me. Yes. What my opinion is on the video. I dobs of this content. Yes, that's obviously what he's asking. That's correct. About the CPS? I don't know, maybe.

Sure. Okay. I mean, I think it was more so about, I think it was more so about like your, your, your, your, your year-long conquest of, of deep platforming and, and also,

Well, 90% of the clips were from that episode entitled CPS came to my house, Sassan. I don't know if you think that's an important detail. I sure do. Oh. Ethan? I think we know my position on this. He's mad. He's mad.

I made it very clear. I think it's completely inappropriate to fucking call. No, no, no, no. That's obvious. I'm saying your friend is on you made a video with did a total fucking big. All right, go ahead. Ask me a question. I don't have any, like.

Go ahead. Listen. Go ahead. Listen to me. Listen. we're both content creators online we both have received an endless wave of harassment

you and I have talked privately about this when we were What do you mean? You brought this up You brought it up hold on I know what you're saying We've all been harassed The internet is tough Ask me a question

No no no no no please Ethan please Because it's so boring bro I just want to have an interesting conversation You know who also told me that Andrew Tate please just hold on Wow I have wow God forbid

My position to you you and I are both content creators. Yes. We get an endless wave of harassment, doxing, swatting, all of this stuff. Yeah. Sometimes by the same people, ironically enough, by the same communities. Definitely. You know, we've had these conversations in private.

It's been a while. This is true. Before we, you know, stop doing our podcast. And you know my position on this. I think it's completely unacceptable. I am getting to the same exact things that happened to you in this regard. I would never in a million years. I would never in a million years.

I ask a question. And don't think it's a problem. appropriate. And I don't know why you think that I have anything to do with this. Because you're not misrepresenting what I asked you. I didn't ask you, do you think it's okay that people called CPS? I asked that the video that you participated in, which was a total fucking hit job that used 90% of its clip from an episode of the podcast called CPS got called on me and didn't even include the title of the podcast. Now, do you think that's fair?

I think you should take this up with Idubs instead of me. It's not fair. It's not fair. I didn't make any of the editorial decisions in Idubs' content cop. I'm asking what you thought about it, okay? Not if you made it. It's pretty fucking, I'm sure.

Go ahead. Ask me a question. I'm sure it would have been, I'm sure that he probably, I'm sure that it would have been all right if he mentioned it. It would have been all right. I don't know why this is a major point of contention for you. I thought we were going to talk about Israel Palestine.

We're talking about whatever we want to talk about. You had said that I have problems with your character. That's what I'm talking about. Go ahead. I know, but you're having problems with my character. Asana, ask me a question. I'm going to move on to the next time again.

You're asking me about items, editorial decisions in his content cup. I'm asking about your opinion on it. Go ahead, ask me a question. Okay. So, do you believe that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza? Yes. Okay, great. Awesome.

So you agree with the numerous human rights organizations, the U.N. I already said yes. Okay, great. No, no, no, that's important. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I also agree on this. If you believe that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, okay, do you feel like you have used your limited amount of time that you have as a content creator speaking out against Israel doing a genocide on the Palestinian population living in the Gaza Strip?

Or do you feel like most of your commentary on that issue has overwhelmingly been? to rail against people that are doing that. I don't feel like you've been wronged by, myself included. I don't know if you know this, but if you're pro-Palestine, it doesn't absolve you of criticism. That's something that you guys keep harping on. Do I think my coverage? And I don't think that's the case.

I don't think that that is the case. Okay. Do you think my coverage has been like totally balanced? I would say no. I've obviously given less time to the Palestinian perspective. And I think the reason for that is simply that. No, no, not just the Palestinian perspective. I think that rather than talking about that issue in and of itself,

rather than talking about the genocide itself, every time you have talked about... Hassan, I'm answering your question. Every time you've talked about Israel, Palestine, it almost always revolved around... I was going to tell you... Because they were harassment... ...vendettas that you have experienced from propels.

I was going to explain that. What's wrong with that? Okay. Would you like me to... You asked me a question, so I'm going to answer it. The reason for that being is that... I feel like I'm responding to a lot of bullshit. It's been past my way ever since leftovers.

And it's starting from you and your community. Now, that's my answer to that. Now, let me ask you about this. This sword has a Nazi swastika hilt. Do you disagree? What's funny about that? I think it's funny because you've made this a major point of contention.

That's why I think it's funny. It's a swastika. Is it or not? It's a sword that is a, Bleas sword, as you know already, that has a hill that has a Japanese monji sign on it. But yes, it does look like a swazaga. As I have also noticed and have talked about on numerous occasions that you brought forward. Yeah, yeah.

Of course, you're conceding that because we fish this up. But yeah. Such is when I made fun of, I believe it was Alexa. Okay. That grabbed it. And I said, oh, you immediately go over the swastika run. Yeah, exactly. Do you think?

Yeah. Anyway, my point is, if I can continue my point, is that you knew it was a swastika sword. So why, what is the... So, I mean, why did you guys choose to pose with this sword? I think that Ian is... Answer that. Why was the choice made for this sword? I'm going to gently explain this to you again.

One, it's not a swastika, but regardless... Do you think it looks like a swastika? I did not make this editorial decision. I wasn't even... Do you think... Do you think it's reasonable to perceive that as a swastika? Ethan? Answer the question.

Is it reasonable to perceive that? I don't think it was a deliberate decision that I-Dubs made, but I don't know. I don't know. Hassan, they're your swords, and according to the New York Times article, there was 10 options. So what's the chances that they chose the swastika one? That seems pretty slim. Well, that would be 10%. You have 10 swords.

10%? The week prior to that, I believe. I don't know the exact timeline. I don't really remember when they shot this, but. I had had the sword out because I was doing an Assassin's Creed promo. Do you feel like if I thought it was like genuinely a swastika sword, I would use it in an Assassin's Creed promo shot? Yes. That's what we call a dog whistle, Hassan.

And what you're doing is gaslighting somebody. You made a video. Let me make a point here, Hassan, because you're the king of microaggressions and understanding the perspective of minority groups. Right? So you made a video. This is true. You participated in a video. Oh, here we go.

Cusing a Jewish, let me finish my point, son. No, no. You are making a video accusing a Jewish man of exaggerating anti-Semitism while exhibiting the most hateful symbol against Jewish people. Do you not see this as a problem? Or at least, am I insane for thinking this is odd? Wow. Ethan, Ethan, take a deep breath. Tell you, answer the question.

I don't need to do the consultant. I didn't even hear your question. I need you to answer something. I'm going to, I'm just, I'm just looking. clarification here. Do you think that I deliberately was using a dog whistle in an Assassin's Creed promo

or that it was a cool sword that was laying around because it's the only long sword that I have. By the way, I don't think that they chose it because of the swastika. I don't think so. Yes, I'm aware that it's not a real sword, but you had 10 to choose from. What does it matter how much they weigh?

I do. That's fine. Let me paint a scenario. Let me paint a scenario for you, okay? Listen, listen, okay, this is important. You participated in a video accusing a Jewish man of exaggerating anti-Semitism. You exhibited in that video the most hateful symbol against Jewish people.

One out of ten of your swords that you have previously already stated you know is the, quote, swastika sword. So am I insane for even... You're treating me like I'm insane for bringing this up, but it sounds pretty reasonable. I mean, it's a little insane. So, yeah, microaggressions just don't exist for Jewish people.

You're asking me why Idubs made this decision. And I'm not Idubs. You were there, bro. It's in your fucking house. I don't know. I don't know why you're asking me. Because it's your house in your sword. But I also gave you what my speculation is.

We are. And that is that it was just a cosmic chance. Okay. Previously had it laying around because I had just done an Assassin's Creed promo. Okay. If you say so. So if it's a cosmic fluke, which you claim, then why leave the photo up? I'm not even in the photo.

I know. It's in your room, though, and with your sword. Why leave the photo up if it's a cosmic fluke? Why are you asking me this question? I don't know. I'm not, I'm not. Ethan? I'm sorry, Hassan.

Are you unable to make value judgments on situations? Isn't that what you do for a living? Do you think that I don't think that I don't think it's relevant or that big of a deal at all? If that's what you're trying to get out of me, like, yeah, I think it's not. It's not. Okay, so you're telling a Jewish man who's complaining about a very odd coincidence that I'm crazy and I'm exaggerating. Ethan, can we, okay, you got me, all right? I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, you got me. I put a swast up in the video calling you up for exaggerating anti-Semitism. You got me. Oh, my God. You literally did. I didn't do that. Okay. Laugh about it.

Go on. How is this so good? Why should you leave it up? You have got much of an issue with Swazica is considering you drew one on Pewty pie. I'm a Jewish man, you fucking moron. Oh. Oh. Is anyone in that room?

Did I, did I draw swast ago one time? Do you think that Jews have an exclusive, an exclusivity agreement with like being offended or not offended by Nazi imagery? You've done a Sig Heil approximately what, 50 times? Why did I do a Sig Heil? Why did I do a Sig Heil? I don't know. Because I, yeah, because you only watch clips on Twitter. I was making.

fun of Elon Musk and trying to see if it was valid or not. Oh, thank you. And by the way, as a Jewish man, are you going to tell black people not to use the N-word? Wait, what? Are you going to tell black people not to use the N-word because it offends you? Oh, my God. Do you think this is an apt comparison? Yes.

Okay. So you think that being able to draw the swat... Your anti-Semitism radar is completely out of whack. And who are you to say that to me? You pose with a swastika. You're saying it's not a swastika, but you know it's not a swastika. It is. I mean, it literally is a swastika.

No, it's not. Let me see the swords in your background. Why didn't you choose one of those ones? I didn't choose the sword, even. I don't believe you. Do you use of our time? Absolutely. Yes, please go.

So anyway, you say it's a weird cosmic fluke. Personally, if I think it was a weird cosmic flute, you say basically it's not a swastika. The difference between the Hindu symbol and the- But it's not. Okay, right. The difference between the Hindu symbol and the not. I'll finish what I said. I can't.

Yeah, I'm a Jewish man. I'm a swastika, a tasteless joke on I-W shirt 10 years ago. You said this is the swastika sword and you keep it in your house and you use it and pose it in photos. Attacking a Jewish man. The fact that you can't even concede that that looks bad. I jokingly referred to it as looking like a swastika when my friend picked it up. So if I genuinely thought it was a swastika memorabilia, do you think I would keep it in my house? Dude, you're being so obtuse.

I know it's not a swastika, right? And I know you know it's not a swastika, but it is literally a swastika also. Because the difference between a swastika and that Hindu symbol is this. You see what I'm doing? This is the difference. If you ask a Hindu person, would they walk around with a swastika sign? Wait, so you know what... Fuck, no. They know that looks like a swastika sword.

So I'm a little confused. Ask your Hindu friends if they would walk around with like a swastika brandished. They know. Okay. Are you Hindu? I am not Hindu. So anyway, it was a cosmic fluke. Do you think that only Hindu people have bleed swords?

Like, what's going on? We're discussing the symbol, not the sword. Okay, go ahead. So you think it was a cosmic fluke. There was ten swords. He magically picked that one. I can't, again, I'm speculating on the decision-making of a person. If it was a mistake, he could have deleted it.

I'm not him. Go ahead. I don't know. Again, I'm going to repeat myself here. I think I'm doing it. You don't need to. Go ahead.

I am not. Ask me the next question. I don't know what was going on in his mind. I'm not accusing you being Idubs, uh, as son, but you're acting like you're incapable of making value judgments on things because you're not I doves. I already made the value judgment. I think you're being crazy. Okay.

Well, Mr. microaggressions thinks I'm being crazy. Very good. You have no problem telling Jewish people they're being crazy on what. Yes. It's like a blatant fuck. Go ahead. Ask me the next question.

Yes. Yes. I don't have a problem telling you, you're being crazy right now. You being Jewish has nothing to do with this. Sure. Being Jewish. I'm sure it doesn't. Do you think going back that it was a mistake to use that sword?

No way. I don't really care about this at all. Okay, fantastic. Well, that really shows where you're at on this. Go ahead and ask me a question. Okay. So, Jesus. Oh, my God.

you believe that Israel is committing a genocide, what are the appropriate steps that people can take both in the Western world and also regional actors can take against this entity doing a genocide by your own admission that you would consider to be appropriate because it feels like throughout this entire process. You have set boundaries on what you think is inappropriate. Just killing civilians. That's the boundary. As you have said boundaries on what you think is inappropriate, and time and time again has said is outright anti-Semitic. My boundary is killing civilians. Okay, that's great. Is that unreasonable? That's a perfectly reasonable boundary to set.

Okay, good. I totally disagree with you on that. Great. Great. Okay. So let me ask you the next one. Let me ask you about this tabriss tier list. Hold on. Hold on. I have a, can I, let me finish.

Well, you have an answer. Go ahead. You could go on a little bit more. Okay, so hold on. Everyone is complaining about my volume on my side because we're using Zoom instead of Discord. So my fucking audio, it's fine. Take your time to get the audio right. My audio keeps going up and down.

Okay. So one of the first conversations that we had, you and I had that led to the Leftover's podcast ending, was that you considered from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free to be an anti-Semitic slogan. A lot of people think that. Jews feel like this is. an exterminationist slogan and Jews fear this slogan in the United States of America. Correct. If you think that, if you think that Israel is doing a genocide,

do you feel like it is appropriate for Westerners in the United States of America and Palestinians and people of Palestinian descent to be able to use emancipatory slogans or should they go to jail under the Trump administration? Okay. I mean, these are pretty extreme questions. Now, I'm not making a value judgment. I'm just trying to do. I don't use an extreme question is what's happening right now.

Do you want me to answer? Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to explain the Jewish perspective. I'm not trying to make a value judgment of it. But what I will tell you is that, how do you feel about Norm Finkelstein? Love Norm. I know he has said that it is.

Here's what he had to say about this. I know. I know what he said. Oh, no, no, no, I want the audience to see this, Assam, let's listen to it. Let's listen to it. Let's not going to be a documentary moment for you because I know, I know Norm's Good, I'm glad you know. Let's let the audience know, Assam.

I don't know what. Let the audience watch the video. Play it. I can have a new one. He's talking over it. He's talking over it. Is that so that's why we're having. Play the video.

But I have to do it. So it's nuanced and understandable with Norm. The audience watch the video, Hassan. Okay. Go ahead. Palestine will be free. Let me go back. Let me go back.

Yeah. Here's the Norm Finkelstein, a prominent figurehead in the Palestinian liberation movement. I know, I know. I have more talking about. I agree with them on. The video is like, well. Be free. I think it's a bad slogan.

I know the slogan from the 1960s, the 1970s. It was a bad slogan, men, and it's a bad slogan now, because it has too much ambiguity. When you say from the river... Sounds going to hit me with the cherry act. ...or to the sea. Palestine will be free. Obviously, a question arises, okay, what happens to the Jews in that scenario?

And some people will say, well, all it's about is everybody being free, but that's not what the slogan says. So I have, you know, in recent weeks, I have wasted my concern that it's a bad slogan. And I said, just change it, tweak it, tweak it. From the river to the sea, one person, one vote, Palestinians will be free.

And you can't answer that slogan. Because all you're talking about is equal rights for everyone. From the river to the sea, one person, one vote. Palestinians will be free. I don't know if he actually means the one vote thing. Because I think what he's saying is good in that. From the river to the sea, Palestinians will be free, which I think is good. You're laughing at Norm.

You're routinely talked at campus encampments, college campus, Palestinian encampments as to, I'm not going to make much hay about the slogan in general. There's plenty of other slogans that are. Well, you're willing to listen to him, but when I say it, it becomes a big controversy. I literally, it's not even my opinion, frankly. I can have a disagreement with him on that. And you're forgetting one key factor. What's that?

Okay, you're forgetting one key factor. Norm Finkelstein still ultimately will always say, while I disagree with the slogan, because I think it scares people, it ultimately does not matter, and I'm not going to stand in opposition to it. He doesn't say it's anti-Semitic. When have I opposed it?

He doesn't say it is exterminationist. When have I opposed it? That's what people think. When have I opposed it? If you think that Norm Finkelstein would be in agreement, with you in any way shape or form on any issue, please have a conversation with him. He's literally in agreement with me, like verbatim. Okay. No, actually even more. He said it was anti-Semitic. Norm doesn't think it's anti-Semitic. Hassan, I want you remember me advocating

against it? Do you remember me advocating against it? If he agrees with you on anything. Sure, I'll ask Norm Finkelstein. Do you remember me denouncing that statement and saying people shouldn't say it? I believe in our conversation. No, it didn't happen. You're like that. You're like, You said it was anti-Semitic. I said it's perceived that way by Jewish people. All right, let's move on. The Sabra tier list. Norm does not believe it's an anti-Semitic slogan.

Very good. I'll ask him about it. Now, let me ask you about the... Are you actually going to do that? Because that would be wonderful. Yes, he did the Sam Cedar interview. We'll have a great conversation about the from the river to the sea. Is it?

Wait, can I ask a question? No, no, no. It's my turn. You spoke and now it's my turn. You know what? You go ahead. Thank you. I appreciate that.

That's very gracious of you. Jesus. It's just a question. back and forth conversation, but you seemingly have a lot of grievances not pertaining to the actual issue at hand. I don't know. My friend, the issue at hand is your behavior. No, I think the issue at hand is the genocide.

Well, we seem to be coming at this from two different angles, which is great, right? So let me ask you this. Hold on, you said it's my turn to ask. So let me do that. Hassan, is it my turn to ask a question or what? There's a genocide. You already recognize that Israel is committing a genocide. I can care about two things, Hassan.

It's very important to acknowledge that. that your, don't you think, I can care about two things, my friend. It's incredibly narrow framework. Very easy. It's surrounding your own personal feelings. I'm not that smart, but I can't care about two things. Okay.

No, I can do. Even if one is more urgent than the other. You think, you think your own personal feelings, borne out of your misunderstandings, is more important. Did I say that? I said one is more urgent than the other,

referring to the genocide. Oh, okay. So, so you recognize that the genocide is a more urgent. Please, let me ask the question. Almost all of your commentary surrounding this issue. I'm talking about your own personal feelings and how you've been wrong by people.

Very good. Let me ask you. So you claimed on... Can you answer that question? No, Hassan, you asked your question. It's my turn. I talked about how gracious you were, man. Holy fuck.

Wait, but does that make sense to you? You're going to let me ask you a question. Oh my God. Don't make me take the back. All right, let me ask you a question. Hold on to that. Ask me after this. You defended Frogan's use of the subrata.

T-Rohmish. You wrote your opinion on that. Oh, my God. Go ahead. I think that the Sabrahummus tier list is absolutely insane to consider anti-Semitic. And most people have already laughed about it, despite the fact that it was very damaging in terms of de-platforming a bunch of content creators that participated in this. egged on by yourself, by the way. Yes.

With pleasure. And, uh, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's not. It's insane. Even remotely. Okay. It's not even remotely anti-Semitic. Very good. Let me ask you a question.

The cracker band that Twitch capitulated on. So let me follow up with this. Have you seen the thumbnail? The thumbnail? Yes. That's what I said. This is the thumbnail that's still up. Now, let me ask you this, his son.

Here's Frogan's thumb. now for the Sabra Hummus tier list. In the F tier is me and Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro is not in the tier list. He has never explored or used. Why do you think Ben Shapiro is on the F tier? Oh, no.

I'm going to walk you through this again. What, you're dodging. I'm not I don't. Oh, but you can't make value judgments suddenly on your friends who you've spent all this time to defend you. We all know why it's been at the bottom. I don't.

Everybody knows why. there? I don't know. I don't care. Probably because he's also a massive fucking... What? Because it's the most two prominent most prominent Jewish creators on YouTube? Do you think Ben Shapiro's Judaism is the reason as to why

He would be on the... 100% without a doubt, yes. Man! Wait, I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Take your time. I know it's a lot to process. Okay. Yeah, this is a lot to process. Yeah, I know, man.

It's tough. You really don't know what to say because it looks pretty bad. No, because it's so fucking stupid. Well, tell me then. You look kind of dumb right now. You look kind of insane. Okay, very good. Why's been there?

That's why I'm having a hard time. Like, I don't know why fucking Frogan made this thumbnail. And I don't care. I don't have any issue with this thumbnail. What is, why's been there? Because he's a prominent defender of Israel. You're quick to say that Jews aren't the only Zionists, right?

So why is Ben Shapiro of all the people in the world who are conservatives, who are Zionist, Christian Zionists. Why Ben Shapiro? Me and Ben Shapiro and F tier, the two most prominent Jewish creators on YouTube, that's a coincidence just like the swastika, huh? Ethan. These are two cosmic coincidence, they sound to really sacking up. The tier list that you're talking about,

let's, first of all, the tier list that we're talking about was literally designed by a Jewish content creditor who you advocated to ban, and he got banned. Very good, and I'm glad he did. He definitely deserved it. You called him. A token.

And I still stand by that. The man is just fucking, he's, he's spent. You think that. Yeah. So you get to draw swastikas on PewDiePie. But Rafi can't say that there is a tierless here where Sabra hummus is the lowest, the Sabra hummus, liking Sabra hummus is the lowest tier. Ben Shapiro.

And the highest tier is being able to get a Habibi pass. You as a Jew get to determine what other Jews are able to do. you're the Pope of the Jews. I'm not determining what they can do. Does that what's going on? This is Frogan's bit. This is her stage. This is her bit.

I mean, you can say the Jewish dude is the fall guy and did everything, but that's not true. So you get the draw swastikas, but Raffa Kna can't even say Sabra hummus is dog shit. He can say whatever he wants. I'm not criticizing. By the way, I'm not,

you think that my criticism is that he doesn't like Sabrah hummus? Are you being serious right now? By the way, is that a beat? Hold on. What are you drinking? It's a Dr. Pepper cream soda. Who owns that? I don't know, but it's not on the BDS.

Are you sure? We'll double check. I'm 100% sure. Okay, we'll double check that. It's not about Sabra hummus and like, let's not be up to. Actually, the BDS one is actually pretty funny too because like you've been, you, you can. Got him. I don't know.

You consistently talk about how like I drink Diet Coke or whatever. When my, when that fan came up to me and said, stop drinking Diet Coke, it was not on the Palestinian National Committee's official BDS list. Yes, it was. And ever since it has been on that official BDS list, I have not drank Diet Coke or purchased any Diet Coke at all. Please push this. You're lying.

Please push this. Please. Please. This is so stupid. Please push it. Please. What was on the list? Coke.

Yes. Yes, it was put on the list and I stopped purchasing Coke and I stopped drinking Diet Coke. You said, you know what's funny? You told her a, because I think it's like a, it's like, you remember when you told her something? You remember what you told her? You said, I'll just put it in a cup. Yeah, no, I was joking with her because I thought that it was a ridiculous request at the time

because it wasn't on the Palestinian National Committee's official boycott divestment and sanctions list, Ethan. Okay. It's not about Sabra hummus, just so you know. Like, let's not be silly about this. Wait, what is it about? It's about what Sabra means a Jew born in Israel. It's an Israeli company. Everybody knows it's like considered like Israel.

Israeli hummus. It's been on the BDS list. Everybody knows the connotable is Sabra Humbus, right? Do you think it was racial-a-hummus? I don't like Sabra-Hummus either. We're not talking about hummus. What I don't like is anti-Semitism perpetuated by your friends and swept by you. Now, why is Venture? Without a shadow of a doubt. That's a cosmic coincidence. Okay, let's move on. Very good. Ethan. Go ahead. Next question. Again, it's so disingenuous. I know. I know. I know. How can I make value judgments on my friends? I've been defending for two years. Dr. Pepper is on the list. Also, there is a tier list in front of me.

And it seems like a bunch of people both. Ben Shapiro and me are in the F tier. The loves Sabra tier list. You're looking at the end. I'm looking at the big thumbnail, bro. I'm talking about the thumbnail. I know, but I, first of all, again, I'm making inferences about editorial decisions that other people have made.

I'm just simply speculating at this point. Sure. But you know it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, are you not embarrassed by this armpit hair? It's so cringy, bro. It's like so weird. I'm glad you changed that finally. On a separate note.

What? I find it just so weird and bizarre that this was your thumbnail for so long. Also, ironically wearing a Rolex hat, which is like probably the symbol of capitalist excess. Yeah. Yeah. I got a, I got a full Rolex hat from a friend of mine. I still wear it every on then. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Who knew? So anyway, Ben Shapiro was accidentally in the F tier. What does this have to do with anything? What's going on, man? Yeah, I know. It's confusing. It's very confusing for you. It's like a car crash, I'm sure.

So this is a cosmic mistake. Let's move on. On the tier list, if you think that it's like all about anti-Semitism and... Do you think that this is at least a bad coincidence? No, I don't. Well, that's fantastic. If white people did this about white and black, they'd all be part of bad. I don't think it's a bad coincidence at all.

Everybody knows that you're trying to find... Everybody knows it. Of course. The Jewish man is crazy. He sees anti-Semitism everywhere. These are just cosmic mistakes. I'm telling you. If you want my perspective, I'm giving you a Rolex set.

I think genuinely, okay, I think genuinely, at a time when there is unprecedented levels of open out and about anti-Semitism. At a time when there's unprecedented levels of out and about anti-Semitism, with incredibly prominent, oftentimes right-wing conservative figureheads, actively talking about Jews, okay? In deeply anti-Semitic fashion, you have lasered in on people that you can't even actually catch, quote-unquote, dead to rights because they're not anti-Semitic.

Well, they're not wearing a shirt that says, I hate Jews, but they're walking around swastika and doing tearless with Jews on the bottom. I mean, that's as close as you can pretty much fucking get without them just saying, I hate Jewish people. Even, it seems to me like you want them. And I think you're acting really silly and obtuse right now. The guy who's all about microaggressions and understand the perspective of minorities and stuff telling a Jewish man that he's hallucinating anti-Semitism and won't even concede that this looks bad.

Okay, fantastic. You're hallucinating anti-Semitism in this circumstance. That's why Twitch band. I'm not saying anti-Semitism is not a prominent fixture of American politics. Very good. I actually do think that anti-Semitism has exploded in popularity. in American politics especially. So that's not my point at all.

I'm saying you individually right now wish that these people were anti-Semitic. So you're trying to find anything you can hold on to. He wants them to be anti-Semitic. None of those people are me. So I don't know why. Stop with the value judgment thing. Like you can't make a decision. It sounds stupid as hell, dude.

Wait, let me ask. I sound stupid as hell? No, when you go, I can't draw, I'm not them. I mean, it's, I mean, I don't know what, you're asking me what they're genuine decision making. Why would I want my best friend I'd up to be anti-Semitic? Why would I want my best friend I'd up to be anti-Semitic? Why would I want that?

Do you think I enjoy my friends and people around me to be anti-Semitic? Do you want me to tell you why? I would love to. I don't think you're going to like the answer. This is going to be good. Go ahead. Okay. You want everyone that has criticized you to be anti-Semitic so that it makes you feel

better about your position. It's not your own personal positions that you have explained to people that come across like you're using anti-Semitism as a shield to deflect criticisms against Israel. This is a-and-out. If they are actually out and about anti-Semites, that'll make you feel a little bit more comfortable, like you've won the argument in your mind, and that your community would also finally go, oh, yeah, you're right. You're a permanent victim in this situation. But because there's an unimaginable amount of anti-Semitism everywhere online, it comes across as shocking that you laser in on what you perceive are dog whistles when they're very clearly not even dog whistles

at all. And I'll give you an example of this. Something that you did that I found very funny was, it's obvious. You tweeted or you, you don't tweet, sorry, you Instagram posted about my Theo Vaughn podcast appearance. Sure did. My Theo Vaughan podcast experience where you were like, oh, I can't believe Theo Vaughn didn't actually ask him about his like dangerous anti-Semitism or any number of different things. That was on the main conversation, including, I think you talked about Rick Scott. Now, we did actually talk, Theo Vaughn and I did actually talk about it. Let's pull that clip up, son. But hold on.

Let me finish. But what I found very strange about that was the fact that Theo Vaughn, and I didn't even know this at the time, the day prior to me had actually interviewed Candace Owens. I think you and I both agree that Candice Owens is an anti-Semite, right? I think that he was hitting, he was on that one-two punch. Okay. What, bow, bam. Do you think, hit him with that anti-Semitism, boy?

No, no, Ethan, Ethan, Ethan, Ethan. as your former podcast co-host, as your former podcast co-host, do you think that I am anti-Semitic one, and if I am, if you think I am, do you think I'm as anti-Semitic as Candice Owens? So, yes, I think you're anti-Semitic at this point. I'm comfortable saying that.

Are you at this point? Well, let me finish. Can you, okay, let's move on from Progan. And let's address what you think I'm doing that's anti-Semitic. Hold the phone. You asked me two questions together. I'm going to answer both. You said, do you think I'm anti-Semitic?

After talking to you so far today, I can say unreservedly yes. Do you, I think that you are more anti-Semitic than Candice Owens? No. But I think your former anti-Semitism is way more destructive and sinister. Candice Owens is out right. Hold on there, Hassan. This is an important question. You think I'm anti-Semitic now?

Because two days ago you said I wasn't. I'm going to answer. Okay. Your form of anti-Semitism is way more insidious because it's, It's silent. It's tricky. She's out there just saying what she believes. And I respect her for that.

Nick Fuentes is just out there. Nobody knows what's his stance on Israel. Candice Owen's stance on Israel. But you're tricky. What you do is deny the heritage of Middle Eastern Jews, stuff like that. You accuse them of being always the oppressor. Always, always. And by the way, you spent the first part of this debate calling me insane for what I

think most people would perceive as blatant obvious anti-Semitic acts. I don't think most people would look at what you're doing right now. Well, let's not worry about that. Let's find of mental sanity. Well, we'll have time to pull the audience afterwards. So let's continue. Okay. All right.

Well, look, going back to the Theo Vaughn situation, and you said, so you said I'm anti-Semitic, right? yesterday you said, or two days ago, in the aftermath of the Sam Cedar conversation, you said, I'm not anti-Semitic. So what has changed in that process? Is it this conversation? Yes. Okay. All right, got it.

All right. Here's the clip, by the way. You accuse me of not. You accuse me of not mentioning that Theo Vaughn did not ask you about Rick Scott. Let's go back and watch the clip. No, I said. I didn't say the clip. You literally looked like the dude from Beatles' use.

That's crazy. The small head guy. Ethan, I use my words very carefully. I said in the Instagram story that you pose it, I don't watch your stream that much. I don't, you know, I don't, I only see. In that waiting room? That's crazy.

Do you see the resemblance? What? That's, you have this guy, Beetlejuice. In this photo, you have like the same coat and shit. Yeah. Act. Yeah, that's, you are a comedian.

I sure am, buddy. I see you laughing. All right, anyway, so you accuse me of misrepresenting what happened. Let's play the clip. Ethan looks like an asshole, by bringing that up. $800 billion of Medicare and Medicaid that they want to cut.

Mike Johnson goes on stage, says, I goes on Caitlin Collins on CNN and says, oh, there's a lot of fraud happening. There's not fraud happening in Medicare and Medicaid on the point of the recipient. Right. It's happening on the point of the providers. Right. And that's why I got banned recently on Twitch yesterday. Sorry about that one day.

I said back. Yeah, Lib's a TikTok was like posting about how I said something. What is this? And they misconstrued it as though it was a call. action to assassinate a sitting you're showing me this? Well, you're saying I didn't bring this up, but I'm saying that Theo didn't bring this up. He didn't. You brought it up

framed it in your own way to basically preempt a tough budget. Ethan, Ethan. I said on the Instagram's story that you posted about me Dan, can you switch it back to Ethan? Don't switch it back, Dan. I'm just kidding. Go ahead. I'm switching it back

one second. All right. Thanks, Dan. I know, man. This looks ridiculous. It sure does, buddy. I'm sorry. Okay. So, yeah, this was... And it's not just because of the video.

The post as well, but the post I was referring to was make sure Theo knows how you feel about hosting a terrorist-adjacent content creator. And I believe there was another post about it or something. Is it a terrorist-adjacent? Again. I said he was irresponsible to platform you and not ask you difficult questions. Yeah. So the question I have for you once again is like, like, he had Candace Owens on. Like, do you feel like, do you feel like that's a little bit more damaging in terms of, of, in terms of spreading potentially anti-Semitic narratives?

Or do you think that anti-Semitism is when you feel bad personally? And that could be any number of different things that I've done in any given moment. Yes, I think, I think you were just as bad as her in your own special way. And that's why you guys were hitting that same flavor. Yes. On anti-Semitism in my own special way. Yes. Okay, got it.

Very good. Cool. Very good. So, let me ask you a question. Can I ask you a question? Can you now officially not talk about like Frogan or anyone else and tell me why I'm anti-Semitic? Well, we're kind of getting there. Two days ago you said I wasn't.

But also for a year. You're repeating yourself. Well, I am because you haven't answered this question. I have literally answered it probably two times. The reason that I'm saying you're anti-Semitic is because how you responded to my question at the beginning of this interview. Ethan, for an entire year, you called me a virulent anti-Semite. No. A rabid anti-Semite.

You did. You did not. I actually went back and checked. I had said that you've spread anti-Semitism and stuff, but I never called you an anti-Semitic. I went back and checked. You're lying. I was just spreading anti-Semitism. Yeah, I mean, it's a difference.

Okay, can I ask you a question? Is it about Habibi, not sober? You're conceding to the framing? Yeah, we're not conceding to anything. I don't want to even talk about the tearless anymore. Stop it. Is he reading? Okay, let me ask you, my turn.

Is he reading chat? Do you think it's appropriate to accuse, do you think it's appropriate to accuse any Jewish person you disagree with of working with the ADL? Um, no. Here, for example, is someone using it to anti-semitic. You say that Ethan Klein and ADL in unison. Hassan, let me finish. You're getting ahead of yourself, buddy. I do.

I do think that it's a valid thing to not only speculate, but also I stand. On that for sure. Hassan, I'm getting there. You're getting ahead of yourself, buddy. Here's an example of it being used in an anti-Semitic way. I'm sure you'll agree. Timeline on that doesn't make a lot of sense. I heard you in the ADEO.

What is this? This is your fan who ran up on me on Radeo. Who the fuck is this guy? My fan? Yeah. Yeah. I remember this. You remember.

Wait, is this the... This is the guy that one... Yeah, you remember. Wait, wait, no, no, this is the guy that you claimed. was my fan, right? He was called me the fight. I mean, there's a clip of being like, yo, I love this dude. Anyway, who cares if he's your fan or not? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, you brought this dude up. I'm showing him as an example of you. It does matter. Okay, fine, he's not a fan. I don't care.

You brought him up. Wait, what do you mean you don't care? If I brought him up, if I brought him up, let me finish my point. Save it. Why did you, why did you make it seem like that person was a fan of mine then? Let me get to there. Okay, you asked me, It's my turn to ask a question. Just because I brought him up doesn't give you the space to interject. Is it because he rolled up to me? Let me finish. Let me finish.

He's not why. Yes. Okay, thank you very much. It was very clearly disturbed by his presence. Hassan, I think you know where I'm going and I think you're scared. Yeah. Can you answer the question?

Let me. Why did you falsely claim that this random dude who does not like him? He loves you that you're his favorite person in the world. What do you mean? Didn't you use, wait. All right, Hassan, here you go,

buddy. Here we go. Here we go. You wanted it? I've got it. I love you. I'm so sorry. I love you. I love you, bro.

You're like, dear the goal. Wow, how crazy. I'm fucking, is this another, is this another hysterical delusion? Yes, it is. And I'm going to explain to you exactly why. Wow, dude, I love you. You're the go. We spend a good deal of our time in the encampment. If you watch the unedited full live stream,

Oh, God. He's been a good deal of the entirety of the encampment running away from him because he kept trying to ask me dumbass fucking questions. Okay, but that's got nothing to do with he's a fan. Listen, for his own dumbass podcast. You're derailing this and I need, and I need to make it. I'm not derailing it. You absolutely are. When I'm telling you, I was there and I'm telling you the situation.

Very good. You are nefariously making it seem as though this person is a massive fan of mine. Do I need to play the clip again? You know, you know, I'm just trying to cloud chase. I'll play it again. You can play that move again. Oh my God. Girl, I love you.

Can I give you a hugger home. I'm so sweaty, You played the clip where he, I believe he doesn't know who I have to ask people around. You're my hero, bro. I love you. You're the coolest guy in the world. Hold on. I think I look gay in that one.

I think I look gay in that one. Three, two, one. Ethan. Yes, sir. Ethan. Ethan. Mm-hmm. You okay?

If you think he was a fan of mine, why'd you call him a Sneiko fan when you interviewed him? Because he's both. I mean, surely there's crossover. Oh, there's a crossover. Do I need to play the video again? I'll do it again. My producer in my camera off March, my producer in my camera off March, was there. I'm so sweaty, bro.

You're like my hero, though. Oh my God. Listen, he might not be a fan, but you can't accuse me of being delusional for saying that. You are delusional. Okay, very good, I'm delusional. Let me get to my point, please. So I'm not even asking you to endorse this guy. I'm just simply showing you.

I don't. I don't endorse him. I know you don't. And he's not a fan of mine. So why did you claim that he was a fan of mine? Because he fucking cloudchained. I mean, I feel like we're running a circle. He was a fucking Palestinian encampment. That's why?

That's all it takes for you? No, it was when he said, you're the goat, you're my hero. I love you. He didn't know who I was. He was just saying that so we could fucking ask for an interview for his podcast, for his PUA podcast. Okay, who cares? I don't care. So let me move on.

Do you want to talk about this for two hours or do you want to actually have a conversation? Wait, well, hold on. You can't just say you don't care all of a sudden. when you look like a fucking asshole for false thing claiming that some Rand- I'm talking to you is a fan of mine. You said he was a fan of mine

in, I believe in one of your videos. I lied. I lied. And I was a fan of mine and I was sending harassment your way. Yes. Don't you think that's a big point of contention? Don't you feel like this is a big point of contention?

I concede. I want to show you an example of... Do you see my side of this, though? I think, no. A random sneaker. A random sneco, a random sneko fan comes up to me. Random Hassan fan comes up to you. And you, yeah, wants the cloud chase.

And you turn around and you say that he is a fan of mine to prove a point, to make a false point that I'm to imply that I'm sending people to harass you. That's not what I applied. That's appropriate. That's a total lie. I have never accused you of anything of the sort. That is an outright, horrific. You did not imply that this person that was a fan of mine.

was actually harassing you. Yes. Now, that's a big logical leapuson from he's a fan of yours to you're sending people to harass me. That's fucking insane. And by the way, I mean, you are a liar. You know that right. Did he not harass you? Bro, what are you talking about?

Did you send him to harass me? No. You are a liar. You know that, right? You imply in your video that he was a fan of mine. Leading the audience to believe, leading the audience to believe, leading the audience to believe here we haven't even gotten into the good shit yet this this supposed you know this right since you guys are uh playing clips over by the way this was this was this was a while though he turned

on you when he saw that you supports trans rights i know he spoke ill of you no no no no no even even matter i don't care about this guy oh yeah i guarantee you it's gonna get better oh yeah i well it's nearly you care enough about it that you brought him up here and you used him in the past why i'm showing it you used them in the past to act like i was sending you're terrified because you know where this is going I have no idea where this is going. This has been a journey. Well, how about you let me fucking speak?

And then we can figure out, we can take the journey together. Let's go. Let's go on a journey. So this clip is just an example. Not that you endorsing him. Not that he's a fact. Can you play? Dan, I send you a clip. I pass it along.

It's out of my hands. It's the first introduction of this character onto the stream where he's like, who's this guy? I'll play it. Yeah. Are you guys doing interviews? I'm Palestinian. I know I look Jewish.

He doesn't. No, we're just screaming. Israeli, I look like Israel. We're just, the guy, normally the answer would be yes, but he's busy right now. What are you guys doing? They're not there.

We're just streaming. Oh, live streaming? Yeah. You're not even in this clip, bro. What are you talking about? You're not even present. You're out playing with swastika swords or something. You're not even in this clip.

Dude, why aren't? Chat, I think he's showing it on his side. You're not seeing the clip. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He's a, he's showing the clip. Okay. That is the first introduction of this character on to the broadcast.

And he doesn't know who the fuck I am. He just sees cameras and goes, oh, I would like to do interviews with this person who is famous, it seems. That was the whole point. It does seem like Hassan is right about this. He was never a fucking fan. And then when he saw the full extent of my viewpoint, he started calling me the F slur. He's a sneak-o fan. Hassan, in that clip, he doesn't see you.

You're not there. Ethan, he is a clout chaser. Fine, bro. I don't care. Who cares? Let me ask you a question. I do care because you have made an inference. Oh, my God.

You are dragging your feet on this topic, bro. It's getting ridiculous. This is ridiculous. This clip you sent didn't prove me wrong at all. This is why I don't do it. You're not there. And you were never there, Hassan. Okay, let's continue, please.

All right, yeah, go ahead. Okay, so this is an example of someone who I think is anti-Semitic. You probably agree with me on that, but I want to put words in your mouth. He's not a fan of yours. No, no, no, I think that guy, I mean, from what I've seen, from what I've seen, any number of everythings I've seen from that dude, I think he's like a right-wing dating coach or something. Yeah, he is dating money 101, baby.

I don't know. Like and sub. All right, so here he is using the ADL. He accuses me of being in the ADL, and I'll play it. Operation. I, okay. I don't know, but I heard you survived it, and I heard you survived the Holocaust. That timeline on that doesn't make a lot of sense.

I heard you in the ADL, Bo. The ADL? No, I'm not. All right, so he says, I heard you're in the O'DL, bro, which, like, obviously is, you know, I perceive that as antismatic. I don't think you're in the ADL, Ethan, if that's what you're going to say. Well, you said, and I'll quote a tweet that you made. Okay. Here we go.

You said, I'll quote, he worked with the. ADL to make Zionist a protected class on Twitch. Now that is an outright lie. I don't think it's an outright lie. I worked with the ADL. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I worked with the ADL. What does that mean?

Yeah, as in like worked alongside. I don't think you're in the ADL. That's what you meant when you said I worked with the ADL. I worked beside them. Just incidentally together. You didn't mean that I worked with them privately to get people banned? Of course not. No, I do think that.

Didn't you say you choose your words very carefully? You worked alongside the ADL. You just told me, briefly, you choose your words very carefully, Hassan. It's pretty obvious that Hassan is applying. No, always. I work with the ADL. Okay, we're walking that back. Sometimes I speak up to the side of my mouth when I say you work with ADL.

Here you are again repeating the lie with Steinie on video. Go ahead. You had time to read. Oh, my God. When his knows I'm not anti-Semitic and making these inferences, that I am and like partnering with like the ADL and partnering with the ADL you want to unpack that one there buddy yeah again working with partnering with the ADL that is precisely what to place I have never spoken to the ADL so what does that mean I'm not saying you directed the ADL to take

actually you know what I am kind of saying that I am implying that how do you defend this well that's a defamatory claim that has zero proof just say like yeah I made it up a little Jewish conspiratorial. If I thought that you worked for the ADL, I have not spoken to the ADO. Oh my God. I would have said you worked for the ADL. Now, what's interesting to me, of course, about this,

is that you have taken credit for these bands. Hassan, I do not work with the ADO. You were a part of the mass smear campaign. That is not working with the ADL. Would you say that, um, I got nothing to do with the ADL. Blame Frogan for doing a racist fucking panel at Twitchcon that became a, that became a viral story independent of me.

It was. Just like Cracker is not an anti-white term. It is. Except public pressure clearly works on Twitch and they make erroneous bands. It's on urban dictionary. When they don't want people coming after them. Here's Frogan repeating the same lie that you heard from you.

This is what she learned from you. Everything in your power to push people to bully and harass me, including weaponizing propaganda organizations such as the ADL, to get me banned off Twitch because I made a joke. So she said I weaponized the ADL. You said I partnered with the ADL. You said I worked with the ADL. But you didn't mean that I spoke to them.

You just meant that we were magically skipping along and happened to just without even seeing each other just working together in perfect harmony and love. And by the way, I'm pretty sure you're implying that I worked directly with them on this. Who would think that based off of Hassan's language that Ethan worked directly with the ADL? You said that you do believe that. And I just want to let you know that that is a defun. No, I don't think you directly work with them. I think your goals are aligned on this. Everyone.

But then for Mr. precise words, say that. It's fucking obvious. Do you understand? You said partnered with the ADL. Me, a Jewish man, you accused, without any evidence at all, of being partnered with the ADL. You're now trying to rewrite history and say, I said you were working besides them. You are a liar. You are a virient fucking liar.

Ethan, did you? or did you not take ownership over the bands? I think, yeah, I might have. Hassan implies it for sure. It's unequivocal. Does that mean that I'm working with the ADL? Hey, Hassan, can I ask you a question? Are you working with the neo-Nazi party of America

because they're also anti-Zionist? No, seriously, are you working with the neo-Nazi group of America who's also anti-Zionist? Do you work with them? Are you affiliated with them? Are you partnered with neo-Nazis? incident. Or do you guys happen to have the same?

Here we go. Here, here's a parallel for you. Have I taken credit for a neo-Nazi anti-Semitic incident that took place? Because if the answer is yes, if neo-Nazis actually engaged in an action, Neo-Nazis actually not like your fucking hallucinations, something that we all agree. Like, neo-Nazis did an anti-Semitic incident and I took credit for it and I said, this is awesome. I'm glad that it happened. I made numerous videos.

What about the interview with the terrorist? Yes, you would be valid in saying that. It was on the tier list. Especially considering, Ethan, I don't have to be a member of ADL to respond to someone harassing me. Are you fucking dumb? Please, listen, listen to my words. I'm trying, but it's just fucking lies and filth and like empty air.

My, for your, for, from your perspective, my association as a 10-year fighter of anti-Semitism. My association from your perspective with anti-Semitism is like something that is so laughable. I don't even know how to describe. Like you're like, oh,

it's a swastika sword, but then you admit that it's not a swastika sword. That's how loose this association is. But on the other hand, I can't say that you have worked alongside the ADL in getting to your partner and partners. You are lying, you are rewriting, you are not taking accountability. You said I'm partnered with the ADL.

He did. He did. Do you think that the normal, reasonable person watching that will infer that we were just coincidentally working on the same amount or that I was working directly with them? What do you think the reasonable person would include from saying I'm partnered with the ADL? What do you think a normal, reasonable person would infer when they hear you? Bro, you are literally gaslighting me. It's so obvious what you meant.

Demanding the bans of Twitch streamers. And then after they were banned, you say, I'm glad that they got banned. I take credit for it. Yeah, W. Huge W. I was on the tier list, dude. Get them off.

I was responding to them. It wasn't like a fucking like, it wasn't like I went out of my way to get them banned. I responded to them. I was on the tier list. There's been now three instances, I think, of, in my opinion,

very credible accusations of anti-Semitism. You've accused. me of hallucinating all three now, which is very convenient. And also, wow. We are not in agreement. These are not credible allegations of anti-Semitism. These are hysterical hallucinations of a person who desperately wants all of his critics to be

anti-Semites so he can feel comfortable in the, in the unique position that he has created for himself. I'm so glad. The sword, I think, is pretty weak. But the other ones make sense. I'm glad you, yes. So you think that the, you think a reasonable person. would hear you say he's partnered with the ADL and not think that I was working directly

with them? I think a reasonable person will hear your own words and think that you probably worked directly inside of the ADL. Have I ever mentioned the ADL? And it's an obvious yes. It's an obvious. Did I ever mention the ADL, Hassan? Answer the question.

It doesn't matter. You took credit for the band that the ADL pressured. Do I ever mentioned the ADL in my time? entire fucking career. Actually, I mentioned them once, but I didn't even know what they were, frankly, if you have the thing. It was even, did I ever... It's a, it's a clip where you are saying, I did that shit, I'll fucking take credit

for it. You know who did that shit? The ADL did. You are taking credit for something that ADL did. I'm not even making that inference. Well, they attacked me. Which one do you think? What do you think the average person was thinking in this situation when you are saying that you

did that shit, and it's the ADL's pressure that caused these people to be banned for such a ridiculous, stupid. It's not anti-Semitic thing at all. They should have 100% they banned. It was absolutely racially motivated. Do I know who? Undeniably. Yeah. Oh, my bad.

Okay. Well, all right, I guess we can move on. I think I got them banned. I don't know. Who knows, you know? I think that you got, you got a Jewish content creator alongside multiple Arab content creators banned off the platform for 30 days. There's a reason they call them token, my friend.

And the ADL actually reacted. You spend. time being a talking, you're going to get spent. But it was just silly. You know, fuck them. You want to cash in on your Jewish friends anymore? Can we move on? Am I what?

Would you like to cash in on your Jewish friends more, or can we move on? I can't believe this is so good. Oh, my fucking God. Do you know any Jewish people that aren't anti-Zionists? Yes. Who? I'm not going to review. I don't want to, they're normies.

I don't want to dox them. Yeah, you're lying. No, I'm not. I'm not. You're absolutely. lying. Dog, I live in West Hollywood. Do you think I'm not around Zionist Jews? What are you talking about? Yeah, you, do you pass Jews on the street?

Yes. Are you friends with... No, I'm friends, yes. I am. I don't believe you. And they've treated me with much more dignity than you have as a matter of fact. Yeah, because they're not on the receiving end of insane harassment campaign. Why would they, why wouldn't they? Than you seemingly.

All right, so you think that... It would most likely laugh at all of this. Just to recap here, so we can move on. I mean, did the random the random Zionist Jews that are treated you so kindly, did they have CPS show up to their house or skulls sent to their house?

Oh, Ethan, I didn't do that. Ethan? I didn't say you did that. I don't know why you're bringing that up. I know you don't, but you're acting off. Part of your stick is acting obtuse when you're caught in a corner. Okay, okay, all right, all right.

You've dominated the conversation so far. I think we should get back to some stuff that... I agree. Let's just summarize. No, no, no. Look, can we just get back to... It's very quick. I just want to put a cap on this. Just a cap.

And making these differences that I am and like, partnering with like the ADL. You says, just just to put a cap on this and we'll move on. You said I am quote partnered with the ADL. That's what you said. Which you now claim was just a was, you didn't mean that I was working with them. You mean that we had the same goal. Okay, very good. We'll see how that plays.

Go ahead. What's your question? Okay. It's obvious. Hassan does this all the time. where he will like massively hyperly exaggerating things. Currently doing the thing that I'm criticizing you on where you are looking at a situation that you recognize is a genocide

and your only consideration and your only concern revolves around. It's not my only concern. I care about multiple things, my friend. Yes, you can, but these are really stupid things to care about. I mean, that's easy for you to say. You're the one being accused of it. Let's just act, let's ask the accused how serious their crime is. Fucking brilliant.

O.J. Simpson, do you think that this is a serious court case? Do you think that the Saba hummus is shit here? Let's let him free. The Sabahammus' shit here is akin to O.J. Simpson killing someone. No, obviously not. You're being up to us again. Then why are you bringing up stupid fucking. Because you're accused.

You are saying that the accused, right, can dictate how serious the accusations are. Okay. All right. Ethan. I'm partnered with the ADL. Remember what you said. You have in the past talked about your pro-Palestinian bonafides. You have talked about how you gave my fundraiser.

What? Sorry, what do you mean by bona fides? Like, you're, that you've claimed that you were a stalwart ally of the Palestinian cause. Correct. You tried to also say this to Sam Cedar as well. You brought forward the fact that you had given $6,500 in your context, puke that you did as a, a further indication that you are pro-Palestinian, even though you then turned around and actually criticized additional fundraisers that had taken place, like the creators for Palestine

charity that generated $1.3 million, including the fundraiser that you initially had given $6,500 to do as a reason for why you were such a staunch ally. Why did you turn around and say that pro-Palestinian fundraisers are actually completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and completely useless. Do you think that pro-palcitizen charities are simply there to make yourself feel like you're pro-Palestine? Do you feel like $6,500 was enough for you to spend the rest of the year de-platforming, actively deplatforming propositing-of-me?

I'll answer your question. So I claimed when talking about, now, by the way, this is something I criticize you for, which is... Being pro-Palestine doesn't absolve you from bad behavior in other regards. Being uptoe, mischaracterizing arguments, and basically just being a prolific liar. So here's what the conversation was about. How do you even say that? I was talking about how, when you're talking about activism, raising money isn't the most important thing because it can only do so much.

There's other ways to do effective activism, like protesting, et cetera, et cetera, working with Palestinian organizations. So I'm just saying my point was not that raise, hold the phone. finished. It's a virulent anti-Semite, and I've done all of those things. My point was that not that raising money is bad or dumb or pointless, as you erroneously claim, I said. My point was that it's not the most effective thing in the world, and there's other things. It's probably like the least effective form of advocacy you can do. That was my opinion.

I don't think it's a, I don't think that's the case. And I don't think that the Palestinians that received those. What's not the case? What I said or what I claim? No, your claim is wrong. Okay, that's fine. In terms of the fundraisers not being important. That's fine. So we've established that you claim to be pro-Palestine

and yet you've spent all of the genocide coverage criticizing people who are fundraising. This is such a bad argument. Creating working with Palestinian organizations. I never said it's not important. Interviewing Palestinians from criticism for something else. Hassan being an advocate for Palestine does not absolve your criticism. Yeah. Claiming that they are anti-Semit.

No, this does not. Because your criticisms are ridiculous. Well, I mean, that's kind of up to other people to decide at this point. Your criticisms are in your own mind. Like you have hallucinated an alternative reality. By the way, gaslighting, anti-Semitic trope, call the, this is what dog whistles are. You whistle to other people and you have, it's subtle enough that you have plausible deniability so that when you get accused of being anti-Semiticism,

You can call the accuser crazy, which is exactly what you're doing. You're a fucking anti-Semite and you've been caught out three different times calling me crazy for very viable, very credible examples of anti-Semitism that you should at least be able to admit are at least not insane. Maybe a misunderstanding, but not insane. But no, according to you, there's all the hallucination. So go ahead and tell me why you're not dog whistle. Yes, because, Ethan, because people having an issue. with your statements and with your coverage on as a prominent content creator with a relatively progressive audience your coverage has entirely focused on your own personal feelings

and a lot of misplaced paranoia from people who are called CPS and skulls sent to us out people's criticizing you or not liking you in anti-semitism what are you talking about misplaced I don't know anymore. And I don't think it's because of anti-Semitism. I definitely don't like you. Jesus. Let me stand on business and say, I think you're a terrible person and a liar and I don't like you at all. I know, I know. I know. I know. I know wish you well. I do. I wish you well. Everybody, be well. All right, let's move on. You got it. You want any more call me crazy or hallucinating again? Is that the all you got? I don't even need to do that. I think you're doing that all on your own. We'll see. Is this a show to you? Yeah. We'll see.

So do you want to tell me what is your evidence that I work with or talk to or have any association with all at all with destiny? What? What? What? What? What? What? The guy that I talk about fucking obsessively a hundred times a day that is like basically like the antichrist of the Lord of my community?

Yeah. You accuse me of working with him. Bingo. Knowing him. Talking to him. What is your evidence for that? Oh, thank you for asking. Oh, you're very welcome.

Only is there video footage of you corresponding with someone in your Discord that literally aligns perfectly with Destiny's own Discord offering clips for you to pull. That sounds like a stretch. You've also used, you've also used clips that are

unlisted called Hamas Abbey when making arguments about my virulent anti-Semitism from a unlisted link that came from a Destiny fan account. So that's your proof that I work with Destiny. None of that is relevant. Because he pulled it for your constant coordination

with Destiny's podcast co-host, Dan Saltman, who you featured on your context, Nook. So, yeah. Did I feature you my concept? I don't think it's that ridiculous of a fucking assertion to make, especially when considering the fact that you have been corresponding with Dan Saltman, and you did, and he is Destiny's podcast co-host. And the, uh, what does he call himself? The, the general of the Desbollah, I think that's what they call themselves.

The Dallaband and the Desbollah. I don't know. They're, their mass harassment. How the fuck would. I know. So yeah, I think that that is not a ridiculous fucking claim to make it all. It's actually insane. And it's a really convenient way of discrediting me when I've never spoken to, worked with, talked about destiny in my life.

I don't need to bring that up. It's a really nice way of you. You know what? I think you're hallucinating, buddy. I think you are hallucinating. Oh, you got to, you pulled a meme from his, from his subreddit at once. And, uh, and, uh, there was a guy in your discord that's also in his discord. I think you're hallucinating.

I didn't get any of those things. You sound fucking unhinged, dude. Are you crashing out, Hassan? Ethan, I didn't. Isan, are you crashing out? Do you have friends who are aware of the condition and can help you get the help you need? Oh, my God. Okay, Ethan.

You're delusional. You featured Destiny's podcast photos. Oh, my God. Is that not true? I said, Dan Saltman discovered the IP ban. That's all I said. I didn't endorse. All I said is he discovered the IP ban.

Is that true? He's talking about the Israel IP ban. Is that materially true? I don't think so. It is. It is. I think someone in Destiny's community did it, but it's fine. Yeah. So how is that an endorsement? Is he working with Destiny? Are you claiming that you don't have the right of correspondence with Dan Coleman?

Ethan, Hassan, are you hallucinating? Ethan. Hassan? Do you not correspond with Destiny's podcast co-host, Dan Saltman? I've talked to Dan Saltman, but also I don't think that that's Destiny, is it? Yeah, no, that's just his podcast co-host. host and is perfectly aligned with him and uses his community to brigade. And also has literally tried to blackmail people in.

I don't really fucking care because that's not destiny is it. Literally onerthing sex crimes that he did. Yeah. Man, you are really hallucinated. To align with. I'm not endorsing him. I'm not endorsing him at all. I just said I spoke into him.

No, yeah. You're not endorsing him. You're just getting information from him to use. Have you ever spoken to somebody you don't endorse? I mean, what kind of silly bullshit are we doing here? Certainly. Well, there you go. Oh, my good, dude.

I'm speaking to one right now. You're fucking outed as a destiny's best friend. Ethan, you're the one who admitted that just now. I said I spoke to with Dan Saltman, not that I'm a destiny collaborator, which is what you claim, which is an outright, pathetic, provably wrong, lie. And this is part of your disinformation campaign to delegitimize my point without ever having to address them. And isn't that can be? You never have to address anything I say

because you can just say, Ethan's friends with destiny. Ethan's hallucinating. Ethan. I don't think I need to, I didn't bring up destiny. You did. Yeah, because you lied about me for two years working with them. Two years. That's right.

Hassan. Listen. Ethan, I, this is kind of embarrassing. A year and a half. But I defended you both to my community and in general, because I thought that you were a lot more open-minded until... What have we disagreed on? What have we disagreed on?

I'm sorry, what am I not open-minded about? What have we disagreed on, Hassan, other than me criticizing you and your friends? What have I said against the Palestinian people? Go ahead. What we disagree on? What we are disagree on is what you choose to focus on. Does that seem significant?

What you think is the major point of contention here? Well, that's first of all, I'm, what I choose to focus on is certainly something you can critique. A little frivolous. Hassan is using the Palestinian conflict as a shield to attack people personally. You don't like where I'm focused? That seems immaterial. Lying about what?

About me being Destiny fan, about hallucinating, sweeping for your anti-Semitic friends. Attacking Ethan personally. Lying about context, saying that my, my video's out of context without watching it. Hassan. Well, he just watched it. That's how we knew about the Dan Saltman thing. Do you feel like your video wasn't out of context? Absolutely not.

Compilation of a, what, two-hour sequence of out-of-context clips? You want to do this? What's out of context? Name one thing. Go ahead, read the chat. Someone will send you on Discord. No, no, no. I have it readily available.

Well, I'll wait. Oh, boy. One of the major points that you made that I've seen through other people, people's coverage of it so far. Just say you watched it. I deny rapes happening on October 7. Okay? That I deny rapes happening on October 7.

There's a clip of you when you first encounter that statement where you are actually understanding of my position until your wife stops you and says that's inappropriate. You literally say, oh, he's saying the likelihood of rapes happening does not justify genocide, which you agree a genocide is happening. Uncontested. Ever since then, though, months later, you still chose to use the clip. Her name is I don't know why you referred to her as my wife. I find that a little chauvinistic, frankly.

You know who she is. You know her well. You've begged for Teddy Fresh from her many times. So, like, yeah, you know who she is. You've written her emails asking for clothing. Her name is Hila. Uh-huh. So why don't you say that?

Okay. Who goes, oh, your wife? Like, she's not. She's just like, oh. I wasn't, can you, can you respond to what I was saying? Yes, absolutely. Why is it that? Why is it that?

Why is it that you initially understood the whole context until Heala stopped you? Very good. He said it. No, no, no. I'll answer. Would you like me to answer? That's one example of many. Seeing your response in the totality of all the responses shows that you do deny the rapes that happen

on October 7th. In fact. the totality of all my responses. In fact, you had promised me, and I know you would never lie to me, that you would watch the content, context puke with me. So why don't we pull up that bit there, and we can see how out of context it is. Boom, do it. Great. Someone pulling that, Dan? Oh my God. How you doing? I'm waiting for the link. You good? Am I? Oh, yeah, I'm great. I don't think this is going the way you perceived it to be going.

Sure. I mean, you're reading your chat. Do you think that's the most accurate way? I was going to be, I was thinking about being a lot more stern initially, but this has turned into the last conversation that we had where I am trying to gently nudge you in the direction of sanity. I want you to really understand. You're crazy.

You're crashing out. You're hallucinating, my friend. Come sit over here. You know what I mean? Don't ignore the swastika. Ignore the accusations of working with the ADL with no credibility. Ignore being a partner. The tier list with fucking Ben Shapiro and Ethan.

Come sit here. You're hallucinating. Oh, thank you so much. You know what? Thank you, Hassan. That's so kind of you. How fucking genuine of you to take off the baby gloves. You fucking liar.

I mean, this is... You are a prolific liar, bro. Where's the... Oh, God. This is amazing. Just control F for... The reason... For the record, the reason why I...

don't like to bring Heela into the conversation is because I'm addressing my concerns with you. And I don't think that it's appropriate for me to, you know, extend the lens of criticism to other people. Considering you're like, well, actually it was Ela who influenced your opinion, the evil IDF lady. Okay. While we're waiting for the clip. No, I got it. Deny the violent rapes that took place. That is way beyond the pale.

I'm another soda, but I'm hearing you. There is one instance in captivity. Uh-oh, cherry act. That we have... I'm not going to let you chariact to me, buddy. You grab that Dr. Pepper. I'll wait. No, I said I'm listening to you.

Don't worry. I was just grabbing another soda. Go ahead. On the pale. There is one... Did you... Did you put a Hamas headband on me? I sure did.

There is one. one instance in captivity that we have actually gotten verifiable evidence on. Beyond that, the systematized mass rapes that Hamas dealt on October 7, not a single bit of that has been verified. And people still run with it over and over and over again. Many young people who are simply attending a music festival, women were horribly raped. I can't see myself, by the way, if you're showing my... You're giggling.

You're giggling. It's so funny. Has a right to defend itself. No, I'm not giggling. I'm sure. Bro, what rapes did Hamas do? What are you talking about? What rapes did Hamas do?

Stop anti-Semitism account that considered me to be anti-Semite of the week has also been hallucinating rapes once again, doing rape fantasies once again because they're fucking mentally ill. Hamas has committed. That's something you go to a lot. You notice that? Called people mentally ill. Find that odd. Probably should revise that.

I don't know if that's kosher for leftist values. horrific acts of sexual violence I'm not exactly doing a lot of stuff that's kosher for leftist values in general So you have no problem weaponizing mental health I don't When someone is hallucinating

I think it's appropriate to say that By your authority I will decide who's hallucinating Hassan Watch this Horrific acts of sexual violence Ethan Ethan

Ethan I am so sorry You promised that we would watch this I pulled it up Now sit silently Okay, but I got the point. You're saying that like, you're showing clips of me, you're showing clips of me saying that someone is men and boys. This is unbelievable.

After enduring sexual violence, the deadliest day for the Jewish people. It doesn't matter if fucking rapes happen on October 7. Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much. So that's the other part of this problem that many people that can't contend with. Like, I can't believe how quickly leftists go from Believe All Women to Pixar didn't happen. There you go, son. What do you got? Pixar didn't happen. That's great commentary, by the way. Okay. I mean, it's

pretty apt. Okay. So let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. You did actually, I'm surprised, you did actually show the my findings on the UN committee report that came out. The one that you misrepresent continually, that you fucking

continually live on the conclusion? Wait, what did I misrepresent about the UN preliminary report? Tell me what it said. Uh-oh. The UN preliminary report was not an investigative report. Like, for example, the investigative report that came out about Israel's systematized sexual assaults that was 49 pages long. What a horrible thing that was. Yeah.

Ironically. Just unacceptable. The level of evidence in a preliminary report is only enough to actually create an actual investigation. The problem is Israel has denied an actual investigation to take. take place. Israel has told the United Nations that they are not allowed to do an actual investigation and to simply listen to what they have to say. Now, not only is Israel, there are literally women who have said, I was raped. Do you feel like the Israeli government lies? Do you, I mean, all governments lie. I'm not going to defend Israel though. I agree. I agree. But Israel, there's women that come out and

said, I was raped. What? There are women on the record, on video, saying I was raped. like you're saying there are multiple women that are on the record saying I was raped correct yeah as far as I understand one instance well of course

as you understand because you don't give a fuck about the real reality directed by the most there's all well of course that's the far you don't give a fuck about the truth

you don't give a fuck about the truth you just want to do propaganda Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Ethan Hassan Hassan Hassan please calm down okay you're getting worked up

I don't know why you're behaving in such a childish manner when we are actually talking about finally some serious stuff. Okay. Well, you know. Okay. Okay. In terms of, in terms of the UN preliminary report and the findings. So the women were why?

Okay. There is a clear cut lack of evidence for any forensic examination to take place due to the incompetence of the Israeli government. and specifically the organization Zakaa, that spent most of its time in the immediate aftermath of October 7, taking bodies out of body bags and putting them into Zaka branded body bags. This was reported by Haaretz as well. They polluted the evidence pool. Okay?

That's number one. Number two, numerous people that came out and offered eyewitness testimony have since then been discredited, also according to Harat's reporting. Which article? Oh, geez. I don't, I mean, I can't pull it over it. That accuses victims of sexual assault

of lying about it. Go ahead and link me that one. And by the way, while you look for that. No, no, no, not victims of sexual assault, Ethan. I'm using my words very carefully. Right. Of course, I remember you do that. Not victims of sexual assault. I witnessed testimony initially provided

that led people to believe that there were sexual assaults that were taking place were then discredited. Show me the source. By the way, Hassan, why you look for that? I'm assuming that you're quoting the UN Representative of Secretary General on Sexual Violence and Conflicts Report, right? This is one everyone refers to. Now, are you aware how these kind of papers work?

They do a very precise conclusion at the end that summarizes the main thesis and point driven home in the article. That's what the conclusion is. Let me read it for you. Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape, gang rape during the October 7, 2023 attack, credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, Cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment was also gathered.

Okay, perfect. Thank you. So I'm going to walk you through this real quick. No. So do you, no, you just don't know what words mean. So credible circumstantial evidence. Do you know what that means? It means that there's, yeah, of course.

Credible circumstantial evidence is not a substitute for forensic evidence. That's why I said picture. It didn't happen, bro. You need rape kits. Hassan needs rape kits. Substantial evidence is not enough to... Pickser didn't happen, right? Really?

Rape, which is precisely the reason why the Israeli prosecutors themselves have said that it is a single victim coming out and also with all of the forensic evidence that has been harnished already. Show me evidence for anything you're saying. What? Show me evidence for anything you're claiming that isn't some unhinged freak on Twitter. How do you believe all women? I don't know. Hey, are we believing all women?

Unless there's Israeli, right after October 7th, Hamas attack in Israel, Zaka, the disaster victim identification volunteers were among the first civilians responding on the scene. Zaka is an Israeli rescue recovery organization, primarily staffed by ultra-Orthodox Jewish volunteers, known for their work in collecting human remains for proper burial according to Jewish law. I think what happened is a lot of what happened is that, obviously you don't rape someone and then keep them alive. So most of them were murdered. and a lot of the forensic evidence.

I'm sending Dan the PBS article about how two debunked accounts of sexual violence on October 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel Hamas War. This is from May 22nd, 2022. This is about the witness testimony that was discredited. Okay. But even if one account was discredited, there's many. No, it's not one account. It's two accounts.

But the rest of the... There's way more than two accounts. What am I? Hey, Son, you know what you're doing? You're like, this girl lied about being raped. Therefore, all these women need to be questioned. That's actually what you're doing. You're saying Pixar didn't happen.

I don't believe women if there's really. Can you point me to actual, like to victims that came out? Yes. Yes. Because as far as I understand, Israeli police have asked victims and witnesses to testify about Hamas and sexual violence in the aftermath of October 7. And it seems like their investigations were inconclusive because by the admission of the Israeli... I thought they just said that there were no victims that came out. Yeah, let me guess. You read it on Haaret. Wait, do you think that Haara's is not a credible institution of journalism at this point?

No, but you guys lean on that. You just lie about what it says because it sounds credible. Who is you guys? You and all of your fucking dumbass cohorts that do the same typical, like, rhetorical tools to just say whatever the fuck you want without ever having to back it up or knowing what you're talking about in the least bit. So show me the evidence. Ha-a-R-R-R-T's boy. I sent a debunked narratives. And also, here is, the Israeli prosecutor Morin Gitz has acknowledged that 50 months after the events of October 7, 2023, Israel is still not identified any victims in which a case can be brought against an alleged perpetrator of a sexual attack.

They're all dead. The admission is in line with a complete lack of any credible evidence regarding incidents of sexual violence, which is particularly notable when these claimed, I don't know what this is. I don't know what this foundation is, but there is news reporting on this. I don't know why someone send me this link of this. Do you think, what is your point? What do you said doesn't change anything? You're talking about, do you think that they raped people and then didn't kill them?

You said that there are victims. Can you give me the names of the victims? I will, first of all, I am not in the business of denying rape. If there are. If there's real. If there are victims that have come forward in this process, as I will play it for you. As I've said, there was an instance of sexual assault that took place in captivity. and it was not the systematized rape that was directed by Hamas

as the New York Times' erroneous reporting that did not meet its own standard, its own editorial standard as a matter of fact, written by a person who literally was taken off the editorial board, taken off the actual paper for some of her insane tweets about Gaza. None of these, like there's a lot of stories surrounding this. but I'm not in the business of fucking denying rape. So if you have credible evidence, please present it. And I will admit that I'm wrong.

Give me the name. Yeah, yeah. There's a video. Hold on. Is the video from Screams Without Violence? Is that where you're going to present? No, it's not from that. There's one recently of a woman testifying, I think it was either in the UN or to Congress.

She's sitting on a bench. She's talking to a mic. And she's speaking in English. Yeah, we'll get there. But, like, yeah, I mean, what's your problem with Cheryl Sandberg's documentary? Uh-oh. Cheryl Sandberg has also been accused of sexual harassment herself, but outside of that... What the fuck does that have to do with what's written in her documentary?

Her documentary is basically the unsubstantiated claims that some of which were directly, directly... found to be incorrect. But not only is it unsubstituary claims, it's just a recycling of the same screams without violence. The screams without, or sorry, screams without words article that New York Times wrote that didn't even meet its own editorial standard. Okay. We're having this conversation. You seemingly act like you care about sexual violence taking place against Israelis. Meanwhile, one of the hostages that actually was returned in the early stages did get raped by an Israeli fitness instructor. You know, I have not seen you talk about that. I have not seen you talk about the Israeli pro-rape riots that's a way.

Israel had a January 6th style. Israel had a January 6th style pro-rape riot where a bunch of rabid, right? where a bunch of rabid right-wing settlers went to the prosecutor's office and forcibly with guns took out six concentration camp camp prison guards from the Sidae-Tayman facility that had actually raped numerous Palestinians on camera are you done grandstanding here's a here's a victim that they raped to are you done here's a victim you asked for here we go this is from I think there was an even more recent one than this but it's totally ignored everything he said let me unmute unable to move and had to ask for permission to use the bathroom in that house

I was sexually assaulted by the Hamas terrorist who had guarded me he forced me to go to the shower and entered the room pointed his gun at me he was breathing heavily and had a monstrous beastlike face. Immatiously planned his assault, scheming and waiting for the moment to have his way. He kept asking me private sexual questions. Where's the picture? Was sitting next to me in his underwear, lifting my shirt, touching me and constantly asking me when my period would be. Just to butt in here. Are she lying yet or no?

Is she lying or hallucinating? Ethan, have I ever said that rapes did not take place, at least according to one credible, incredible personal testimony in captivity, not on October 7, but in captivity? Um, kind of, yeah. Yes. You're doing it right now. I know exactly what he was planning to do. You literally featured.

And yet I couldn't do anything to prevent it. Pause it for a second. No. Listen at what she has to say, Hassan. Ethan, I don't silence her. Let her fucking talk. No, because you're acting like this never happened, that it's exaggerated, that everybody's lying, that Israelis are just saying.

inherently evil monsters that are responsible for everything bad that's ever happened. Listen to her. Uh-oh. Ethan. Or to be sad. Listen to her words. I had no one to comfort me and was forced to act nice. Listen to the person who had just said.

Listen to this. She's got another one after this. Orifying way. Oh, there's going to be another one. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah, it's gross. Show respect. Brother, that is fucking gross.

No person should ever be subjected to such a photo. God. shit. Now, you really have no problem speaking over a rape victim when there's really. Dude, you don't give a fuck about rape. Look, what are you doing? Now he's getting mad. I never said that no one ever got sexually assaulted in factivity in the hands of Hamas on October 7th. I literally said in the video, a man who was stripped naked and raped by Hamas on October 7th has refused for the first time that we were spent on a man. He didn't even say it in the other way. The victim only identified as initial deed. He was the first man to

speak about the sexual assault. He and others experienced when Hamas elite the Nakpa unit, massacred, kidnapped, and raped innocent people, enjoying the Supernova Music Festival. They pin you down to the ground. You try to resist. They take off your clothes. Laugh at you. Humiliate you. Spit on you. Hold on. Okay. Listen to me. Listen to my words. They touch my private parts. They raped you. You're not going through this in a dignified way, and I think it's very gross. What you're doing here is simply weaponizing a victim. So pathetic. As a fucking prop, a victim that I also acknowledged.

Silence. And you know and acknowledged it because you posted it in your video that you just showed me. Here's the clip. Reveals that sexual assault and rape was a regular component of the life as a hostage in Gaza. It doesn't matter if fucking rapes happen on October 7. Hassan, maybe you would like to call her a liar. Please go right ahead. You're doing it a matter of fucking rape happened on October 7.

There are dozens of testimonies from witnesses, most of who were in. of testimonies. Oh, yeah. That's a lot. Are you denying that? In the beginning, I'm going to use my words very carefully here. In the beginning, you said on October 7th, there were numerous victims of sexual violence that you said, you said, not me, you said that there were numerous victims of sexual

violence that actually came forward. So I ask you for names of the numerous victims of sexual violence on October 7. Because I never said that there was no. Wait, what? That took place. As a matter of fact, I looked at that report. I looked at that same U.N. report and said that there was valid, credible first-hand account, firsthand testimony on sexual assault.

I wish you had the energy you have for the Israelis raping people as I wish you had the same energy for the fucking Palestinian terrorist raping people. I wish you had the same energy. Because I can't invent rapes. You have not giving me any names. What are you talking about? People and names. What do you mean? It's so vile to deny the suffering and trauma of the victim.

If they're all just because you need your heroes. You know what? This is not going anywhere. Let's just move on. Yeah. What do you mean? You can't just like this. This is a major, major point of intention.

You have falsely smeared me as a rape denier when you yourself, the one evidence. You deny mass rapes happened. And you're doing it right now. the instance of sexual violence and I just showed you two. We know of up until this point. Just showed you two. You and I both agree on.

I show you too. You know that I agree with that. You know that I've talked about it. You know that I've acknowledged it. And yet, not that rapes happened. What? You deny that mass rapes happened. Not that rapes happen.

Listen to my words. Yes. I do. Okay. Good. Well, there you go. Because there is no, there is no evidence. I just showed you two.

The clips that you used ironically. Actually, I showed you three. It's out of context is because. Because at that point, at that point, I personally took a position where I said very carefully and very deliberately that mass rapes that are directed by Hamas did not happen. There was no evidence for this whatsoever. Four survivors told authorities they were sexually assaulted on October 7th report. First-hand account of such crimes have been rare. As most victims were killed.

How does this happen? Report follows earlier testimony from man who said he was raped by terrorists at the Nova Festival. Four people have told authorities that they were sexually assaulted by terrorists in October 7th. Channel 12 reports on Thursday, adding to a growing body of evidence of the systemic sexual assault committed by Hamas. Unlike most of the previous evidence of sexual assault on October 7th, which was largely based on eyewitness testimony. The Channel 12 report is notable because it is based on firsthand accounts of victims.

Yon all you want. What is going on? I understand testimony of such crimes has been rare because the victims have been killed. Killed. Dip shit. Okay. Ethan, do you fucking kill them? Hearing the report for individuals approach the welfare minister with their account.

Sorry. Talk about being gross. Listen to these victims. When someone is murdered, there's no way to do forensics evidence to actually conclude. You know the fucking answer to that. You know that the Jews, you know that the religious organization

that is first responders that you cited, has a policy of bearing the bodies to avoid disgracing them. That's what happened. You just said dozens of victims came out in that article. I'm reading you. What are you doing, bro? I'm showing you the evidence that you're wrong right now. According to the report,

four individuals approached the welfare ministry with their accounts of what happened to them during the Hamas onslaught, which saw blah, blah, blah, blah, uh, sorry, not blah, blah, blah, but 200 people killed and 250 kidnapped. The report followed a separate channel 12 story on Wednesday that provided first-hand testimony from a man who said he was raped by terrorists at the supernova.

where hundreds of people were killed. Are these, do they all lying? These are five people here. There's a lot of people to be lying. The ministry and one man who said he was raped. Are these all liars? I don't know. I don't think they are.

I have no reason to believe that they are. From everything that I've seen, from everything that I've read on this, and I have read extensively on this, as far as forensic examination has been concluded, there is no evidence, no hard evidence of sexual. assault and I will give you a clip from a Haaret's article that was hosted by

how does anybody think this isn't happening? I just read you first testimony of four people. What are you doing? You're saying that you're not believing the victims. Ethan, you're asking for pics or it didn't happen. It's not that I'm not believing the victims. Where's their bodies? Picks or didn't happen?

Oh my God. You're saying picks or didn't happen. Okay. Since the article. that you mentioned came out since the article that you mentioned came out there have been further prosecutions on this why have they

why have they not led to any real prosecution they're dead they're fucking dead you moron what do you mean first hand testimony in this regard all the fucking homasa operatives in israel i killed them what what are you are you okay

killed them i said they why the fuck would i say you killed them that's insanely stupid. Are you okay? Hallucinating. Are you crashing on? Go ahead. Maybe I misheard you. I'm pretty sure you said you killed them. Sometimes when you're under stressed, you can mishear things, but that's okay. Yeah, I might be. My mistake, I have you on much lower volume because my volume is very low.

Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. It's a misunderstanding. That's part of the reason why I do ask over and over again what you're saying. That's fine. I understand. I want people to hear what we're saying, so that's totally fair. If you're saying, are you done or you want to keep going? If you're saying these gaslighting, you just clip it and send it to me, chat. It's that simple. Okay. And you probably said it by mistake, even if you did.

So it doesn't matter. Okay. We're done with this one. Okay. No, we're not done with this at all. Go ahead. I mean, I just read four. Because the question I have for you, the question I have for you is very simple.

Okay. Oh, if I said you, I misspoke. That's my bad. By the way, I may have actually said you. It's fine. You misspoke. I don't care. Let's move on.

Let's get back to the actual main point. point of contention here. The liars. There have been no rape allegations filed in the October 7 attacks. Not one. Okay? And this is from Wynette, speaking to Morang Gats, who I posted about earlier. Morang Gats is the Southern District Prosecutor's Office in Israel.

Okay. He was a, or she was a member of the Team 7-110, responsible for cases involving captured Palestinian's in connection with October 7th attacks on investigations related to sexual violence. She says, in the end, we don't have any complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will eventually come together will be entirely different, either because the victims were murdered, okay, this is what they're saying, or because women who were raped aren't willing to expose it. So they kill them so they can't talk about it? She includes here, another explanation says drop site news that no rates occurred. We approached women's rights

organizations and asked for cooperation. They told us that no one had approached them. There were parents who reached out the organizations asking what to do if something happened to their daughter, but they didn't reveal the abuse. So the question I have for you is this. Okay? The question I have for you is this. What am I supposed to do in the situation when there are no victims that have come forward? Four victims just gave first-hand testimony. I read it to you. But there's no forensic examination.

There has been no justice for these victims. What do you think the odds are that people are getting mass raped by Hamas? October 7. What do you think the probability is? The government completely ruined. Okay. The government completely ruined any sort of forensic examination

that could have taken place. There is no way to actually bring justice to these victims. Your assessment on this is so off base. Asa, are you listening? You think four first and victims. I just read it to. Exactly.

Okay. But let's say, you know what? You're right. You know what, Husson, you're right. Let's air on the side of the, of, Of these victims lying. Why are there? You're totally right.

This is the, this is the progressive way. Let's err on the side of these people lying instead of believing them. Let's do that. No, I'm not saying that they're lying. I'm telling you, my confusion on this comes from the fact that.

It's not confusing. It's obvious. Most of this shit happened were killed. And it's a religious, it's a religious part of this first. It's a fucking obvious unit that they bury the bodies immediately to avoid humiliating them. It should happen. Even during wars between two nations?

Yeah, it happens constantly. If you don't know that, then you're fucking, you are like woefully misinformed, which just just... Dude, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Oh, like, it doesn't matter. There has to be a forensic examination. Pickser didn't happen. They bury the body.

No, not Pitzer. You don't think that they... They bury the laws of justice. What's wrong with you? Justice? You don't think these victims deserve justice? Why did Israel refuse an outside investigative committee? How do you explain these four accusers?

Under normal circumstances... How do you explain these four accusers? For a third party. A third party will come in and conduct an investigation. How do you explain the four accusers? I don't know. Okay, very good. How do you explain the prosecutor after those four accusers?

My information is more relevant because it's new. It's newer. Okay. Okay. I don't know. I guess we're at an impasse here. I mean, listen, Hassan, we're at an impasse. Can we move on?

I cannot disprove something that I don't know about when the prosecutor, do you think the Israeli Southern District? prosecutor actually did not examine the testimony given by these victims? If you don't know what happened in the four accusers, why are you speaking so confidently? Because I'm speaking about something that came out after that. You're a liar. You're propagandist and you fucking hate Israelis. Can we move on, please? There's an obvious light of impasse.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is very important. This is so much better than I had ever hoped it could have been disgusting. This is unbelievable. This is unbelievable. That I do not recognize the testimony of a sexual assault that took place in captivity. Yes.

That was false. Do you admit that? She lied. It was false. No, no, no. It's a falsehood that you claim that I don't recognize that.

Do you admit that? Yes. 100%. Okay. Can we move on? Wait, so you're admitting that you falsely smeared me as someone

who is denying a verifiable evidence, verifiable claim of rape from my first-hand account. and it's not from October 7. Okay, yes. I'm smearing you. Can we move on, please? Okay.

Okay, very good. All right. Can you explain this tweet to me? This is your tweet, and I'd like you to summarize it for me. Here it is. Go ahead, you can read it for me and explain the picture. I can't.

I don't know where it is. So, you can't see it? Oh. Okay, okay. Fantastic. Okay, very good. I guess what's the pre-ed? Is you just a little delay for him, Dan?

No, no, no, I can see it. I've only set my lived experience in Israel proper. Great. What's the picture? This is zone of interest. You're familiar, yes? Explain for the audience what this picture entails. This is a zone of interest, which is an Oscar award-winning movie depicting the banality of evil during a literal Holocaust taking place.

The monotony of the day-to-day existence, the beautiful garden. And your implication is what? Rudolph Huss and his family put together. And your implication, your implication you can see is what? There is a concentration. There's a concentration camp, Auschwitz. Your implication to me is what? Most likely inferred to be sending.

This is the clip you're responding to. Hold on. Like, it's completely based on my, I actually don't know where it is, but I said, we know what it was. I just said Israel proper, right? I just, I said my lived experience in Israel proper. Can you explain the clip? Play the clip. It's just, it's two minutes, and I don't know where this happens.

If somebody can find out. No, no, no, play the clip. Play the full thing. We have time. I'm not going nowhere. Let me see. That's true. I want to watch it, too.

Let's go. Let's lock it in. I know you do. Let's see here. I don't. Here, I'll just play it. This is a clip from the critically acclaimed content. We're not eating snacks.

I have snacks. How's that working out? You think he is, you think Ian's happy? He made that video? I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to him about it. I mean, he put out a really big video. I mean, I would be stoked.

Yeah. I don't know why you're asking me about what Idubs is thinking. Because you were in the video. I mean, I assume. I mean, it performed pretty well. I think it doubled your, your video. So if anything, I think it just means that more people are interested than me than you. Yeah, no, definitely.

I believe that for sure. Very good. I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people, some falsely and some for decent reasons, wants to do you want to look at the like ratio put you down a peg it's probably the reason why there's a lot of people watching this conversation as well oh my god do you want to watch the um my god watch the the like ratio on this damn this is the like ratio on this that's correct my friend here it is wait well Ethan play the video uh this is this is also been reported even by your favorite uh what

is it nicholas eat oreos my favorite to be false oh nicholas Oreo. The dislike is... Let's watch. Let's watch... Why am I arguing on behalf of Ian's video's... I don't give a fuck. Come on. Play the video. Dude. Come on. Jesus Christ.

Play the fucking clip. I mean, it is ironic that he came and did this whole show of doing it with you and it, like, just completely humiliated him. I think that's kind of funny. It definitely made him look bad. Not on... He's now talking about it on his podcast. But I want to do a show...

Are you... Are you... Are you... Are you did not... Hold on. I'm sorry. His entire creator clash is it ruined. The event is going to be fucking... absolutely canceled. He's probably not able to reimburse most of the fighters for the time they trained. How is that not a train wreck? Ethan. I'm just saying. I am not Idubs. I don't care about your

petty vendetta against idubs. Play the fucking clip. You are in the video. Yeah, I see Israel. Because you're in the video. When you listen to Hassan and you hear all these fucking. Cared enough to be in the video. I hope you're proud. Oh my God, bro. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about Israel proper. But I want to do a show. showing headlines about Gaza. I literally say in this clip that it's not has nothing to do with the conditions of Gaza and the conditions of the West Bank, which I consider to be like apartheid. Like it's completely based on my my lived experience of five years living in Israel. My lived experience, bro. You are so fucking out of line. You have no idea. How do you have the confidence to make

this video. Again, I don't know where it is, dude. The phrase. So you guys, how I see Israel because you don't see that. When you listen to Hassan... Israel blocks and he shows these headlines. Israel again blocks Gaza aid. Again, I'm not talking about Gaza, which I say clearly in this clip, but go on.

And you hear all these fucking left, like a mega lefties talk. Israeli authorities block health care to Gaza. Again, I'm not... Do you think that I'm talking about walking around Gaza? When I say how great multicultural it is? We never did you think that? How Israel Israel attacked Gaza since October 7.

Shield your eyes. We never like co-signed what they did. Is that not the point he's making, though? It already happened. I said it. Oh. Uh-huh. No, the, okay, well, anyway, I said, the phrase I said is that my experience in Israel proper.

What happened after that when A.B. chimed in, I wonder. Anyway, listen. Who knows? I mean, you like to make inferences based on a... I'm just asking. I don't know. You know what's so funny? You know what's funny?

It's all on the audio. Go listen to it, Dick shit. It's on the audio. You don't know what you're talking about. You're a pathological liar. You are propaganda. It's on the audio. You can go listen to it if you gave a fuck.

And Olivia were chiming in. I don't know why you, we buttoned it. I'm just asking, you know, it's fine. It's not that big of a deal. What are you implying here? What are you implying with this photo? Not a, what photo? Oh, oh, with the photo.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Let's get back to the first. photo. Let's begin. This is going to finally cause us to talk about Israel Palestine. Bro, just explain what you're trying to say. By your own admission, there is a genocide that is taking place in the Gaza Strip. By your own admission, there is also an apartheid structure, both in the West Bank, but I don't think you believe that there's an apartheid happening within Israel proper by your own terms. I don't think it's, I don't, yeah. Yeah, okay. So,

do you feel as though Israel is somehow inseparable from both of these actions? No, but obviously the conditions are different, and Israel proper versus the West Bank versus Gaza. The West Bank has checkpoints. It has like different areas of zones of interest. People don't have freedom of movement. So obviously that's more apartheid-like than the main body of Israel. Yeah.

Don't you feel like you going to Israel proper would actually resemble someone going to, you know, someone going near Auschwitz and being like, well, it's actually beautiful there. Not at all. It's not that big of a deal. No. It's multi-causer. Oh, you don't see the comparison.

Well, I mean, you're saying that. Jonathan Glazer who made this video, Jonathan Glazer, who made this Oscar winning movie, does see the comparison. So, hold on. You're criticism. He said as much. You're saying, Oscar award. All I said was my lived experience in Israel proper.

Is the problem that Israel proper? that that sounds racist or something? No, I think you're trying to present Israel as a beautiful multicultural land when it is directly doing a genocide across the border boundary, okay? And also is an apartheid on a good day. Yeah, I make a distinction for sure. You make, you can't compartmentalize Israel property. I mean, I lived there for five years in Tel Aviv.

The crimes that is happening six miles away, Ethan. that's my point. Six miles from where I live in Tel Aviv? Six miles from what? I don't know how many miles away it is from Exactly. What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know how many miles away it is.

That's not the point. It's close enough. If you can see it, you can watch it. The point you're making is that everybody living in Israel is living next to a concentration camp. Yes. Okay. Okay.

And so I said, bro really said my lived experience in Israel proper and you're saying that I am a Nazi officer living casually and enjoying life as people are not. You're not directly a Nazi officer. Well, that's what this says. No, Ethan, you're taking it a little bit too literally. I think the point there with that imagery is not that it's a Nazi officer. Why did you choose the one with the guy standing in it? Well, I'm actually giving, I'm actually interpreting the work of art in the exact same way that Jonathan Glacier, who made this piece of cinema, interpreted it. The entire point is, you can have a wonderful life as an American Jew in Israel. Of course you can have a wonderful life in Israel.

That's the point, because Israel is a ethno-religious supremacist apartheid state that is currently doing a genocide. It is the entire, it is the entire underlying principle of why this nation's state was founded. That's what it was founded on. It was founded on exterminationist principles of the indigenous Palestinians, which you seemingly agree to. So yes, if you actually think Israel is doing a genocide, then it comes across as rather odd that you would go to Israel to show how multifaceted and how wonderful Israel is.

I mean, yeah, it would be exactly like someone saying. Oh, you don't understand. I'm German. I am going to Poland. I'm going to, I'm going to go to Warsaw. I'm going to go to Auschwitz. It's not the same. How wonderful Auschwitz looks like, because it's German territory.

Okay. I lived in Tel Aviv. I worked beside Palestinians. I worked with them. I took the bus with them. I walked around the streets with them. I went to the restaurants. They worked with me in my businesses.

It's not what people expect. That's my point. You don't see... Yeah, that would be lying. That would be lying to your audience about the actual totality of Israel. You want to talk about my totality of anti-Semitism inferred off of of like hyper specific narrow definitions that you have invented in your mind. Talk about the totality of a country that you recognize is doing genocide.

You think it's appropriate? You think it's appropriate to go to Israel while there is a fucking genocide going on by your own admission? You did a show with me and you consider me your friend and you knew that I was apparently a Nazi officer that whole time. What? I said you were considering me a friend. You did a show with me. You knew I lived in Israel that whole time. I'm surprised you were willing to work with a Nazi officer.

have interviewed members of the Knesset, as a matter of fact. Like, oh, for Kassiv, I have interviewed Israelis from the, from the anti-Zionist youth movement, Mesarvot. Israeli members, Israeli Jewish citizens that have refused service, refused Nix. I don't have an issue with people that have lived in Israel. Some of, some of the reason why I know the total and utter depravity of the inception of Israel comes from Exeter University's very own Ilan Pape. His writings are what guide me. Of course, of course, I don't have an issue with people that have lived in Israel and no longer live in Israel,

or even still live in Israel, as a matter of fact. Would you like me to respond? Because I care about Zionism as an ideology. I do not care about Jewish people or Israeli people. These are not a part of my consideration, because I believe in the best of people. I believe that regardless of the circumstances that they've been presented with can see right from wrong. Okay, very good. And I thought foolishly that you were one of these people. Very good.

I foolishly thought you could also see right from wrong. But it's obvious to me that you have simply used what is going on for the past 16 months of horrific mass bombing and starvation. Hassan, you got it's you got to stop with the fucking, with the gish galloping. I know, I know. You're righteous and I'm evil. I'm explaining to my position. Let me respond. I agree with you.

I think that my characterization of as a utopia, like in that moment, was distasteful. And I wish that I had said that differently. And I see that it came off bad. It came off bad, and I was wrong on that one. I totally agree. Watching that clip back, I'm regretful about how I spoke about it. So I agree with you. Okay.

That's fair. I wish you were this open-minded for the past 16 months, Ethan, because I feel like a lot of the conversations that are taking place. Well, my problem is not with your philosophy on Palestine. My problem is with your community and the harassment you've leveled against me and my family. People make inferences off of what you say.

They do not know what's in your heart, okay? And this is something that I privately... This is something that I privately talk to you about in the beginning after October 7. I told you time and time again, privately. Okay, bro, you've talked a lot. Let's just move on, please. You are behaving like a...

The reason why people think... think you are a Zionist is not because you're Jewish, but because of what you're saying. What did I say that's Zionist? And they made these what have I ever said that shows that I'm Zionist? Ethan,

the way that you have tackled the subject matter. Say one thing that has shown the world, undoubtedly, how Zionist I am, that I am worthy of the scorn of you and the entire left. What did I say? What did I? Does that mean I'm a Zionist? I mean, and by the way, That was a recent clip.

That doesn't explain the last two years. Yes. It doesn't. So what did I say in the last two years besides that clip? What did I say it, Sam? What did I say that Zionist? As recently is last month. You can't give me one fucking contextual example of me saying something that's Zionist after this entire...

Go ahead. Yeah. Okay. You have something? I have many things. As recently as last month. As recently as loud one. Here we go.

Of me saying something. I'm giving you another example. Just calm down and listen. As recently as... You're not answering my question. You're just doing this Kishkelapian. Hamas is actually putting... Hamas is actually putting hostages inside of hospitals.

Hamas is actually using tunnel systems under hospitals. And that is part of the reason why Israel is bombing hospitals. Bombing hospitals is a war crime. Okay? Bombing hospitals is a war crime. I don't defend that. In your conversation with Sam Cedar, while on the one hand, you now recognize that Israel is doing a genocide.

And you have, have in the past as well, for sure, but you've also gone back and forth on it, and you've called it a war or whatever. But having said that, in your conversation with Sam Cedar, you thought you had a gotcha, where you said that, well, I find it very strange that there's not a single bomb shelter in Gaza. That's a condemnation of Hamas. What? That is a condemnation of Hamas. Failure to protect the- Your assessment of reality. How is that pro-Zionist? How is me criticizing Hamas pro-Zionist?

Would you like to explain that? Do you think a bomb shelter would actually survive bunker-buster bombs? It'd be a lot fucking safer than the seventh floor of an apartment building. For Israel to actually systematically destroy every hospital. Are you okay with Hamas spending the totality? Can I ask you a question? Can I please ask you a question? How do you defend Hamas?

Again, me criticizing Hamas makes me a sinus. This is crazy. you criticizing Hamas makes you a Zionist that's what you're claiming I mean it depends on how it depends on what you're saying yeah you know exactly what I said you can have criticisms of Hamas in terms of like their own internal domestic affairs in terms of their governance yeah that's your hyper focus then yes people are going to make that inference that you are definitely against because I because I'm any kind of resistance against the state of Israel because they don't make bombs shelters because they don't make bombs shelters because they don't make bomb shelters is to just simply sit there and take it so you're not you're not against it so you're not you're not going to just simply sit there and take it so you're You can fucking act like you felt bad 10 years down the line. Everything that you claim, the whole fucking apparatus of harassment that exists across social media with you at the center of it, it infringes on an inference that you maybe meant this. I have never once said I'm Zionist. The only reason people believe that is because you repeat it maliciously time and time again.

Because of your hyper-focused on you, you, you, you, and your distractions away. That makes a Zionist. Wait, what? attempts towards pro-Palestinian content creators. It is ridiculous. You're being propalcine doesn't absolve you of guilt. You recognize the genocide. This is insane.

But you also literally get mad at people who fight back. You get mad at the Houthis. You call them terrorism. CPS is fighting back. Which is by the American state's definition, absolutely considered a terror group. But there are plenty of terror groups that have successfully resisted. Hold on.

Do you not consider Hezbole of terror against American imperialism? Oh, here we go. Do you not consider? Do you not consider a hesiress? below a terrorist group? I think the definition of terrorism by the American State Department is intentionally vague to

deny people their habeas corpus, deny people their due process. It is there to justify whatever kind of militant action that the American government can take. This is an severe violation of the American Constitution.

So yes, I think that this definition intentionally vague and it's talking. Can I request something? It's silly. Can I ask, can I please request something? I'm interested in having a conversation. You take this and you just go on and on and on and on. You repeat yourself. You double down the same point.

I just want to have a conversation. You make your point and then you move on. You're doing too much. Please, I just, we're going to be here. The American terrorism designation is silly. Do we agree? I don't know. But here, I'll be more precise.

But you use its definition without ever actually thinking about it. What do you mean? Let me be more precise. Here's what you said. A lot is a paramilitary organization. Do we like them or no? They are a terrorist organization. They're designated.

They are designated by the American state as a terrorist organization. I do not like them then. Well, like. I like what you like. I don't have an issue with them, let's just say. What did you mean by that? You do not have an issue with Hezbollah. Yeah, thank you for asking.

Exactly. All right, let me explain. Here we go. I do not have a single issue with the way that Hezbollah has defended southern Lebanon. I do not have a single issue with Hezbollah as a form of militancy trying to incur penalties on the genocidal state of Israel. Because if you recognize that it is a genocide,

then what is the expectation from other parties involved in the region? The very fact that other countries are not also up in arms is ridiculous, considering that Israel is a belief. force that is destroying everything in the fucking region because it has an underlying extermination policy. And you agree with that because it's a genocide. You said it's a genocide. So what is the expectation? This conversation is becoming impossible if you don't just stop talking for a minute and allow me to respond.

Okay. Now respond. Thank you. Hesbola, when it was first founded, I think, was a noble thing, right? of defending Lebanon from the IDF invasion. And they were successful in sending them back to Israel. Now, since then, a lot of terrible shit has happened, right? And you sat there and you said, I do not have a problem with them.

So do you not have a problem with what the Hezbollah did in Syria, mass murdering civilians on the behest of Assad? Can you find a single instance where I've actually said, I have no problem with Hezbollah's actions in Syria? You said I don't have a problem with Hezbollah. No, no, no, no, no, that specifically. You know what's so funny? Do you feel like that is the entirety of my conversation?

Because I have talked about Hezbollah's actions in Syria as a matter of fact. And I do have a problem with that. You're precise with your words, right? I don't think that attacking, I don't think that harming civilians is in any way, shape, or form remotely correct. Now, having said that, I'm glad that you brought up Hezbollah, because, again, in your video, you falsely claim that Hezbollah is responsible for 500,000 deaths in the Syrian conflict. Yeah. Okay?

You say that Hezbollah is responsible for 500,000 deaths in the Syrian conflict. That is the entirety of the deaths, including the Hezbollah militancy, in the Syrian civil war. And therefore, what? They did nothing wrong? You, no. That's not what I'm saying at all. So what does it matter the exact count? Why does that bother you?

They wrongly claimed that they were responsible for all the deaths. You stood in front of- They collaborated. You stood in front of footage of an entire town that was destroyed by what? By barrel bombs? Who has the capacity to have a air force and use barrel bombs to destroy an entire city? Do you think Hezbollah has an air force? They participated.

Is that why you're being silly? Is that why you posted that photo? Why are you defending Hezbollah's action in Syria? Do you think that's a good look? I'm not defending that. I'm not defending. You're like, Hezbollah didn't do that. Hezbollah would never blow up a village in Syria.

Do you think Hezbollah has an air force? Do you think I think that? Well, you implied it when you showed a hollowed out town that was barrel bombed, most likely by the government. So why? Why did you use that imagery to imply that Hezbollah had killed 500,000 people? They were complicit. This is my main problem with you, Ethan. You are spreading falsehood.

You're defending terrorism right now. the way. What? You are defending a terrorism right now. No, dude, I'm defending the truth. How is it, how is this so hard to comprehend for you? The truth is, what Hezbollah did in Syria wasn't that bad? They did not kill

500,000 people in Syria? Okay, so it wasn't that bad? So what Hezbollah did in Syria wasn't that bad? How many did they kill? You are taking a... You're minimizing their actions. How many did they kill? You're taking the responsibility away from ISIS. You're taking the responsibility away from the Russian military. No, I'm putting blame on Hezbollah.

How many did they kill? I don't even know the exact number of how many they killed. I believe it's like around 2,000 to 5,000, which once again is inappropriate. I don't have... It's inappropriate. I have no issue. Did they collaborate with Assad? They did, yes.

They did. They did. And so what is the issue here exactly? You said you have no issue with them. I think that's a problem. I think I've described it numerous times at this point. I have no issue with Hezbo. laws militancy against a state that is conducting a genocide.

That much is very clear. You didn't say any of that. You said I do not have a problem with Hezbollah. You're lying. As a matter of fact, there are plenty of instances where I have talked about Hezbollah's militancy in Syria. When you're done lying, I'll explain. Wait, what?

When you're done lying, I'll explain. You didn't say that. You said I'm lying. You said, you're talking to it normie. You were talking to a normie. He didn't understand anything about the conflict. And he said, how do we think? feel about Hezbollah?

How do we feel about Hezbollah? Your answer was, I don't have a problem with them. Let's just say. And then, by the way, by the way, Hassan, you start trying to minimize their inclusion in this fucking wanton slaughter of Syrian civilians. Wait, what? I'm minimizing their inclusion of the wanton slaughter. Here's what you said, because you want to be precise.

You made up, you, well, like, I like what you like, Ethan, you, I don't have a issue. them. Let's just say. They held 500,000 civilians. What are you talking about? I did not minimize, I did not minimize their wanton slaughter in the Syrian civil war. Do you think that they, that they didn't participate

with Assad to make that happen? I mean, they were allied. They did. Okay, so then why are you defending them? I'm not defending them, Ethan. I have already, I have already described to you that I am critical of their actions. You are misquoting me. You are

misunderstanding. I have obeyed. I'm repeating what You said, you've lied. I feel bad for Nick. How can you lie to people? Like, we just watched the clip. The arbitrary number that you put there because you don't do enough research. No, that number was based on the totality of deaths. My claim was that they participated in it.

You were not critical of their actions in this clip. So you're telling me you've never claimed that Hezbollah has killed more Muslims than Israel has, that IDF has. Um, if I, so I, I don't know when, when I, I think I did say that and I think that was wrong. I was incorrect on that. You said that numerous times. You actually said you chat, you competed against A.B. when he was like, uh, I don't think that's correct. By the way, I, that's something I looked into and I was, I was actually wrong about that for sure. Okay. Don't you feel like this kind of misinformation is somewhat, uh, go, don't you think that saying stuff like that is going to make people infer that you might be more pro-Israel than you let on?

Yeah. Because it doesn't work like this, right? You're not just like clicking a box and you're like, well, I said it was a genocide. What more do you want for me? Okay, you did. But then you spend all of your time criticizing people who are offering analysis and not justification, but analysis. Can I flip it on you a little bit? Are actually formed.

You're upset. Can I? Can I? Howson, you're doing it again? I'm not doing anything. I'm just, I'm hoping to explain to you something. so you recognize that you're wrong as you've done twice now. You don't need to explain anything to me.

I understand your point. Don't you, so you're accusing me of being irresponsible with my words. Don't you think saying you have no issue with Hezbollah makes people think you're pro-terrorist? Yeah. I don't care that people think this. It's ridiculous. So are people valid for thinking you're pro-terrorist when you say? Do you believe the State Department's designation for terrorism is valid?

Is it reasonable for people to think that you? You are pro-terrorist when you say I have no problem with Hezbollah. Do you believe the- Well, answer the question. You got to answer that was valid. You answer my question, and I'll answer yours. Are people valid- Ethan?

You rely heavily on your audience not really understanding the terms that you are using. Let it be noted. You are dodging. When you say, oh, Hassan, defense terrorists, okay? There's a reason why you say that. You say that you disparage me without actually addressing my arguments. And now when you're faced with me, face-to-face, to talk about these issues, you agree with me. So if you agree with me, you called Hezbollah a noble group.

And the beginning should change. Well, I think you do. But I said their actions were noble. I didn't call them a noble group. Again, you have a problem with the truth. You just said that their inception was a noble one. You said Hezbollah was. It's different from saying Hezbollah is a noble organization.

But I really need you to answer this. Isn't it reasonable for people to assume you're pro-terrorist if you say stuff like, I have no problem with Hezbollah? Just answer the question. Yes or no? I don't think it's reasonable for people to assume that I'm pro-terrorism because I think people, but people are going to assume that regardless because I'm- presuming a position. But it's okay for people to assume I'm Zionist. Yes.

Because the logic is clear. I don't understand what I'm saying. I get why people assume I'm a fucking pro-terrorist. Yeah. Do you feel? Okay. Let's talk about that then. Do you feel like someone being branded pro-terrorist is as impactful under the Trump administration as someone being pro-Israel is? Well, as someone who's been branded as a pro-Israel Zionist in my space, it is a horrifically fucking degree. It's resulted in the unbelievable, unprecedented. I've been on the internet for 10 years, right? I've been through all kinds of controversies, all kinds of shit. I have never once in my entire life, Asson,

experienced the amount of harassment, the organized psychotic campaign to try to ruin my life. All my employees' life, my family's life, their family's life. This is your community acting in response to what you're saying about me being pro-zianist. So do I think it's worse? In my experience, it's much worse. My community that's done any of these things that you're talking about. Okay, so can I ask you a question? Why the fuck were you browsing H3 snark the other day and pulling clips from that?

I don't know. Someone fucking sent me a clip in the chat. Oh, okay. And so you shit and pissed about me pulling a meme from Destiny's subreddit. I have never even pulled the subreddit up, but you don't stream browsing H3 Snark. How do you explain that? Okay. Ethan, your entire subreddit is a Snark subreddit dedicated to me. What the fuck are you talking about? That's literally not true.

I don't think, I don't have a single issue at this point. What are you talking about? Your entire, you have personally moderated your own subrited to turn into this, by the way. So many people that have criticized you from your own fan base have let your community. How does he do with this? You can't take a fucking ounce of criticism from your paying members. How many people are like, I love Teddy Fresh. I have so many fucking pieces of Teddy Fresh clothing.

Now I feel embarrassed to wear it because look at what he has become. There's plenty of fans. Don't worry about that. If you want to talk about it, if you want to talk about it from the perspective of psychoanalysis, the real reason why you've gone on this endless vendetta is because you can't comprehend. Jesus. The reality, I just want to have a conversation. I don't want to like just like just gish out forever.

Has a, has a difference in opinion in the way that you presented yourself throughout this conflict. And if you've demonstrated, you say your community has nothing to do with the harassment that I've received. Ethan, if you don't know, please. Ethan, let me finish a point. Uh-oh. If you demonstrate it, dude, you've got to let me finish a point.

This is ridiculous. I'm going to meet you and just keep talking. Okay, that's great. I think that means you won the debate. Yeah. No, listen to me. So I'm not viewed it. So hold on, let me finish.

Okay, there we go. Let me say something. If you demonstrated a fraction of humility, you did just now. Most people would not have left your community, by the way. I don't care that they left the community. That was obvious. You definitely do. I've got plenty of fans left.

Don't worry. Here, listen, you claim your community has nothing to do with the harassment. Yet you said in the same breath that your chat linked you to H3 Snark, the subreddit primarily responsible for coordinating that harassment and you pulled it up on your stream. You have evidence that H3 Snark called CPS on you? Did I say that? Like random anonymous? Did I say that?

Oh, geez. I said their primary responsible for harassing me. Who called CPS? What the fuck? So, I don't know. Did I claim they did? You're dodging, bro. You are absolutely dodging.

You claim your community has nothing to do with the harassment. yet you are browsing H.C. Stark. Now, let me ask you this on. How many times have I browsed the Destiny Subreddit on my show? Have blamed virtually everyone for calling CPS. Answer my question. So you don't know who called CPS. And yet for the past couple of months, you've been like,

it's whoever I don't like that is called CPS. And now you're claiming that my community is responsible for it. I think it's the tone. No, bro, what is wrong with you? Did I say your community called CPS? The harassment campaign is a, Much more broad than that. You're inferring it.

You can't address an actual issue. So you turn it into your straw manning, basically. I'm saying your community is responsible for participating in this harassment campaign. You said chat sent you this link. Did they not? Yes. Of course. What are you talking about?

Of course they are. So your chat is involved with H3 Snark, which by the way, funnily enough, the new snark page is called Leftover's H3. And it's got a picture of you in the avatar. Shout out. Shout out to a left over his age three. It's got a picture of you, Hassan. You don't need to shout them out. You're already doing it. Don't you think that's odd? You did it. No, I think it's...

Also, what do you think? First of all, do you think I have any say on what fucking happens in these subreders? What are you talking about? You have a say what happens in your Discord and chat, which you absolutely do not moderate. And there's so much evidence of the disgusting shit. That's also completely fucking falls.

Well, why did you criticize XQC for not moderating his chat when you called in? Ethan? Why did you criticize XQC for not moderating his chat? Yes, ex QC has actively used this community

over the course of many years at this point as he was doing Gamba and wanted to fucking keep gambling and not bad that I was criticizing him to attack me. And you have that's different than what your community has done how? What do you mean?

What? How is that different than your community attacking me? You want to know how it's different? I have an eight-minute clip compilation all the way from when our podcast ended, all the way to December of 2024, where I actively defend you. That is moderating my community.

I do not give a fuck about your quote, unquote, defending as your community went rabid with your approval. Please spare me. With my approval, I told me it's your community, bro. You literally say in this clip that it's, let me play this clip for you because it will show just what a liar, hypocrite you are. can like you big dog i don't know what to do oh what do you want me to do fucking everybody loves sassan everybody loves idubs too

my objective is not to be like to san that might surprise you it might surprise you my objective and life is not to be liked or i mean it's not to specifically be like that is not my objective i know that's foreign to you why why why are you bringing any of this up people don't like you i can't change that okay there's plenty of people who don't like me either my whole career's been people not liking me but i've never experienced this level harassment you are unwilling to contend or concede any point that you are, you are... Because I'm not responsible for it. Here,

play this video, Dan. Here you go. All right, let's see the video. Anyway, it's not about being liked either. It's about harassment, bro. Go ahead. Show your audience, because you've been saying that I've been like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for. Luckily, everybody likes me. I sent it. Are you... It's embarrassing, too.

I'm sorry. Hold on. Dan is in the bathroom. I got it. Oh, Dan is in the bathroom, so hold on. Mm-hmm. You okay? My argument with you in that conversation where I said there's not, there's not anything I can do. He does it all the time when he tweets negatively of people while he's on stream.

In the conversation that we had, you called, you inferred the JVP was into Capos. It's okay to do that. I think the order to see Palestine will be free. I'm not going to let you stunlock me with. Again, another pathetic fucking lie. Holy shit. You, you literally fucking posted about a pro-Palestinian dude on Twitter saying that he would be thrown off of rules.

like a fucking Hamas is Isis. If you say all of that, if it walks like a duck, it walks like a duck. Most people are going to not think that you're a chicken. They're going to think you're a duck. Okay, I'm not going to get sunlocked by these insane accusations. I never called them capos. That's what you said. That's part of the harassment campaign.

You put those words in my mouth, and now it's something that I still hear. I have never called them capos. So you haven't, as recently as a month ago, still called them token Jews, and that they are completely off. base with the rest of the is that the same as capos? Do you have a problem with like levels? It's all or nothing.

Is calling someone to criticizing someone be a token the same as calling them capos? Why would you call Jews who are standing against genocide, which you also recognize as a genocide? Can I all the way? This is a clip. Here's what you said. That are not representative of the broader movement.

Here's, well, they're statistically not. You also called Matt Liebacopo. Matt Leib's a disgusting human being who platform bad empanata who's like you. So you do have a problem. You do have a problem with... Matt Leeb, specifically, yes. You don't like and you are...

I have a problem with Matt Leib, who's platforming Bad Empanata? Yes, clearly. You don't like Bad Impanata. You understand. A year ago, you were talking about how crazy he was. Yeah, but I'm not... But suddenly, when he starts talking about me, he's your best friend, interesting. Yeah, you're right.

I don't. I actually, you're right. I think Bad Empanata is insane, but you know what I also... And all this sudden, you love his videos. Why is that? Bad Empanana... Why do you love his videos suddenly? Before you pledge never to watch his videos on stream.

Why do you love... love them now. I wonder why. Oh, because he was, uh, he did not want me reacting to his videos. That is a insane, pathetic, bold face live. No, he said, you literally, I have, told, oh my God, I have. Okay, first of all, let me play this clip of Utah criticizing XQC. Okay, wait, wait, you can't just like, you asked for it. I remember watching this one live too. This was 20, this was 22. Wait, I sent you a clip, why aren't you playing that one? Actually, you know, whipping their communities when. Their chat is going fucking absolutely bananas over random dumb shit and bringing my name up for no fucking reason.

What is his son used for his hair? Ramping in your chat. And I thought that was fucked up. His hair is worse than it is now. But there's only so much I can do, especially as someone who thought we were fucking friends. I think that's a reasonable expectation for someone who you consider to be a friend. The problem wasn't that he was so palis. You have to tell Michael now.

It makes sense. I need that, yeah, I do. Okay, no, no, great. Show my clip. Sure. Show my clip that I sent Dan. Yeah, no problem. But you see.

There you go. I'm going to pull it up for you. Oh, yeah, TikTok. This will be good. Ethan Klein to Bunk. Seven minutes, bro. Hold on. I'm not going to watch the seven minute clip.

What are you going to watch? I have a minute of it. Okay, I'll just, you think, if I just play it from the beginning, they'll get the gist of it. Oh, you'll get it. And you can skip towards, like, the end two if you want, like towards the middle.

By the way, I'm cleaning my desk. a thousand likes, bro. Are you name searching yourself or what? No, the person who made it sent it to me. Oh, okay. Nice. I guess it's hard hitting. Ethan is a mega Zionist? You are wrong, okay? Trust me.

I don't think you know... I'm serious. I don't think you know many Zionists if you think Ethan is a mega Zionist. Not even close, dude. Time and time... Funnily enough, that's still true. Again, I've spoken about how Ethan is not your enemy. A person who cries when a Palestinian child dies

is not your enemy. Okay, he's not. I've said these exact words over and over again. The problem is that your community is obviously an unhijed and if you don't defend me, my community is going to get mad at you. It's definitely just an optics play,

which, by the way, you never stuck to. Shut up, keep playing. Let me guess. It's more videos of you defending me? Keep playing. Enough. I told people in this community and people

everywhere that will listen to what I have to say that you have to choose who you are actually angry at. There are people who are so loud and so proud about the ethnic cleansing campaign that Palestinians are experiencing currently. Go yell at them. He's been shooting on you on his members-only streams. I don't care. I don't care.

Or literally shout on you yesterday and his co-worker for saying from the river to the sea, sorry, dog. I don't care. I mean, I've watched a minute of it. I really don't give a fuck what you said. Keep going. No, no, no, no. We're going to have to watch the audience. This is about you.

Go on. What are we going to glean from watching longer? Keep playing. Keep playing it. This is just November 1st. No, I don't want to finish it. I know what it is.

You talk kindly about, okay, here, I'll go to the middle for you, okay? Yeah. You think I'm not moderating my fucking community? You absolutely are not. No, no, no,

to stop yelling about you at that point. Okay, let me go to the middle so you can have your thing, and then we'll move on. And it frustrates me to no fucking end. I've told you this time and time again. In this time, in this time,

in this time frame, just like I kept telling you, Ethan is not your enemy. You see what I was saying about his hair. That's why I love, love Idubs, Ethan as well. People that have actually changed course, recognize their mistakes. Okay, I mean, yeah, we get the idea. It's fine.

Something happened. You know what I mean? You're the best friend ever. By the way. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. My turn. Well, I was, no, no, yes. You were just screaming, play the video.

You told me to shut up. I wasn't moderating my community and claiming that. You screamed to shut up, play the video. So I'm going to ask you to return the favor at this moment. You claim that you didn't watch. Here's what you said about bad empanata. You lied to me and said, you don't watch his videos because he asked you not to. Magically, when he started talking about me, you became his biggest fan and you watched his videos on your stream regularly, which has, which has resulted in an explosion of his popularity.

Here's what you said about him a year before this conflict. Okay. Banana video on the stream. I'm just letting you guys know, if you think I'm going to fucking watch a YouTube essay from a dude literally, openly antagonistic towards me watching fucking YouTube videos. You're out of your fucking mind, okay? You think I want him to write

like 700 hours worth of new YouTube essays about how I have wronged him? I don't want that. I don't want that at all, okay? They genocide propaganda will come. Wait, that's in the clip. Ethan, you keep doing this thing. Thanks for watching.

The clip. Yeah, go, go support this. I play in the clip. I told you why I wasn't watching that. There it is. Oh my God. You're talking over the clip. You need to let it play, okay?

You're just, you're making the clip unwatchable. Mine, okay? You think I wanted to write. Bro, it's just a minute long. You can, you can, you can chill for a minute. Uh-huh. We'll come. Thanks for watching, free Palestine.

Thanks for watching. Yeah, go, go support this dipshit that I do appreciate, regardless of my disagreements with him. That's you now. on his optics and the ways that he conducts himself with regular frequency. Because ultimately, his product, his YouTube essays, as a standalone entity, is always solid. Such a fucking freak, dude. Oh, my Lord, he is such a goddamn freak.

He is the most insane person. He has like 7,000 accounts. I just said I have an official blockade on Bad Empanata videos on this broadcast while I'm live. That's number one. And number two, he's not just mean on Twitter. He is a psychopath, okay? The idea that he's just... By the way, the guy who's a psychopath,

who's not just mean on Twitter, who has 7,000 accounts, as you say, is somebody that you gleefully platform his videos about me. So I'm just saying, you're a community... I don't know. Let's just promote...

I don't know. Exit to harass people by your own fucking definition. None of the things that you just showed... He's not just... No, they're talking about... You're doing it right now. He's insane person on Twitter. Yeah, let me go watch a video about a dude who constantly talks about how I'm fucking

of reactionary fake socialist because I watch people's videos. That seems like a good idea. It's age restricted, which means there's like TOS violations galore in there. That doesn't mean that. The cringiest, like, classic angry leftist who never shuts the fuck up and is just angry at the entire planet. Anyway, let's continue. He's an Arab and Yemen. Why else would he be a terrorist, right?

Someone who, by the way, you couldn't even watch a fucking I can point you to a seven-minute video of me actually defending you to your audience because that would kind of betray the narrative. It's almost done. It's almost done. He would perhaps benefit tremendously if I did watch his YouTube videos on this channel. But I'm never going to fucking do that. So you said he would benefit tremendously if I watched him, but I will never fucking do that

until he starts shitting on Ethan. By the way, my community doesn't harass people. That's not true. Let me explain to you what. Absolutely, provably and empirically true. Do you want to hear my perspective or do you want to fucking just keep playing clips that your production team put together? Okay. So, Bad Empanato.

Sorry for preparing. No, no, no, there's no problem with that. I mean, you're still doing a horrible job at it, but it's all good. We'll see. So, Bad Impanata is crazy. I still say that. He attacks me all the fucking time. He says I'm a Jewish exceptionalist Zionist, okay?

Like, what? There's disagreements that I have with bad empanata. I don't know what's going on with that. As I've said in that video, as I've said in that video, there's disagreements with the way he presents himself. But if you notice in that video, I also said something. And that is. His work on YouTube, okay? His work on his YouTube essays stands alone.

Bad empanata. What about his videos attacking me? Are those, is that part of his great body of work? Bad empanata on his YouTube essays, especially when it's issue specific, are actually very instructive. Then why are you watching ones called Ethan Klein as a Zionist? baby killer. Why are you watching that one? Is that part of his master body of collection? Is that part of the Criterion

collection there, buddy? Yeah, Zionist, big. Why does Bad Empaneda play roleplay hunting Ila and killing her in video games? Have I ever said that I think that's appropriate? I think, no, of course not. But what you are doing is endorsing this guy. Do I agree with you that Bad Empanata is crazy and also does crazy shit because he's a fucking

scraggly internet troll? Who is once again as a separate you know you like to compartmentalize Israel Israel proper from doing a genocide I like to compartmentalize the content that I'm consuming from a guy who I do think

is doing well-sourced well-researched YouTube essays who also happens to be a fucking freak Ethan Klein is a Zionist dog and by the way I want to kill his wife the reason why that blockade ended and I watched other videos that are not related to you from Bad Empanata in the past on this broadcast as well

how many? How many? How many of you watched not about me? What? How many videos of his have you watched that are not about me? I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe one. I've watched a fuck ton, though.

I've watched a fuck tonne, though. I've watched a fuck tonne about him, but on a video. And are most of them about me? No. Oh, please. Actually, this segues perfectly. You claim I'm obsessed with you. Okay. Here come to YouTube.

That's part of the narrative, right? This is the YouTube. This is me playing, Nathan. I think at this point, a lot of people see it, right? Very good. Well, let's see. Let's see. Ugh, goddamn it.

Well, I got to refresh this. So here's an example. 24 hours of edited content. These are all different clips, right? Over two month period, there's edited down 24 hours of you talking about me. That's a lot. 24 hours. That's over the 60.

Hold on. Over 60 days. That's a lot. 24 minutes per day. Ethan, these are fan channels. Right. This is ingenuous. Fan channel from where?

From your account. Okay, first of all, I'm just showing how much you talk about me on stream. Second of all, the fan channel is saying it from your account. Let me finish. The fan channel thing is a clever part of your disinformation campaign to avoid any responsibility. What do you mean? The fact is, if I wanted to show all your fan channels, this is how many fucking videos was uploaded about me in the last 22 days. You think that's regular?

You think that's regular? Who's obsessed with who? What do you mean? You have control of your content, and that's what your content is. I say one thing on Twitter. 66 videos about me. I say one thing on my Twitch stream, fan channels make the video of the same thing over and over again.

It's all part, so you don't ever have a same thing. Then you do have control over them. The same fucking video. Yeah. No, well, so, yeah, this is the top. No, no, no. It's the same moment.

No, no. This has same moments. The last one does not. It's usually the same moment multiplied. Go back to the fucking photo. No, this one does not have the same moments. This one is unique times. You talk about me on your stream.

Well, why are you to deny that you talked about? me for 24 hours of unedited content the past two months, 24 minutes per day, seven days a week? For the past two months? Yes, 24 minutes a day I don't deny that, probably. Because I think you are, you are up until this very moment, you have presented

yourself as someone who is actually playing a formative role in deplatforming pro-Palestin and content creators. That was the reason why I'm having this conversation. Also, it has nothing to do with the big pro-Palestinian. Do you think this is reasonable? I have nothing to do with that. Hold on you, you're accusing me of being obsessed, Hassan. Is this reasonable? Or is this obsessed behavior?

At what point does it become obsessed behavior? At 30 minutes per day? Because I don't talk about you that much. It's got to be 25. Ethan, I have some information as well to present to you. Go ahead. And by the way, just take this in. Okay, here we go.

On your Instagram stories alone. Yes. Yes. January 1st, 2025. At least 100. Hold on. Let me pull this up really quickly. Oh.

You have on your Instagram stories, not including clips, since January 31st, you have mentioned me 110 times. Based on what? I don't believe that. On your Instagram story post? From what period? From what period of time? Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Since what day? No, that's you. January. I'm asking you for what date. So that's four months. What's the date? I'm asking.

January 31st. 2023? January 31st on your Instagram stories. What year? Not included clips. You have mentioned me. Oh, 2025. So you're saying I tweeted about, I started about you 100 times this year?

That's a hundred and ten. Show me the evidence of that. A hundred and ten times. Show me your evidence. I've got pictures. What do you got? I talk about you 110 times. Show me.

You have basically one point two posts per day about me nine stories per week. Where are you? Show me the evidence. We tabulated it. Hold on. Let me see if I can find the dump. Oh, no. Nine per week.

It's shocking. It shocked you, it seems. Sure, yeah. But somehow, this isn't a... Somehow, by the way, this doesn't surprise you. 66 videos about me in the last two months. They're not my channel. They operate with your approval under your direction.

It's part of your disinfoam thing. To avoid responsibility is so obvious. within the context. It's almost always within the context of you literally fucking hostile. When are we in agreement? Hassan, you say, and I said my video is bad, but way.

You're streaming the hate videos. You're streaming. This is what you stream. I make a story. Your entire fucking stream is a hate video. What are you talking about? Your entire subreddit is a hate subreddit against me, which is fine.

You want to do that. You can do that. That's precisely the reason why I read it. literally got back to you when you fucking cried to them about the snark channels and said, what are you talking about? You basically have a harassment channel on Reddit. How are you complaining about this? Not only that, but you also tried to sue anonymous Reditors to dox them.

When did I try to sue? Whoa. You wanted to docks them to their families. Hold it. What? He did do that, right? I think Ethan did do that. The list lawsuits to Reditors, to anonymous Reditors.

Yeah, I thought he did. well that they would be scared into submission. You also posted about that on your Instagram stories as well. Can anonymous redditors defame you and harass you? Can anonymous posters who literally posted fake? They doctored posts. Posted it on our subreddit saying I was banning people who are wishing a happy Ramadan. Okay.

And that went viral. I don't even know what the deal was. I don't even know what the fuck that was about. It was an outright lie. Hold on, dude. Let me respond. Did you or did you not get your lawyer. You need to stop because I'm going to try to bully extort people.

There are anonymous redditors. Who's extorting? They said some shit about you. Bro, let me answer. Are you just going to fucking get? Okay. You want to make this interview on watchable? Is that your goal?

I, it seems. I mean, go on. Kind of, right? So let me talk. These anonymous posters, okay, were showing pictures of the front of our office, organizing to meet there. they were What?

Yeah, Doc, I know you haven't seen it but it's true. They have documented that I have proof of them faking a post saying I was banning people

wishing Ramadan on that was posted snark that went viral in your community was picked up by people in your community leftist Twitter, TikTok, etc. It was an outright lie.

It was defamation. And by the way, fuck yeah, those people should be held accountable. One is this where I've talked about you, Ramadan, whatever the fuck.

I'm explaining the context, dude. You're accusing me of something. I didn't even know about this moment. What are you talking about? Bro, you're unreal. I'm explaining the context. How is that weird? It's totally fair for you.

You accuse me to sue. I'm explaining what. Because I'm saying that I'm responsible to this. When I have no fucking wrong with that. No, I'm not. What you're talking about? I only saw the litigation. Is it ever,

Hassan, is it ever okay to sue a random redditor for a reason? Is there ever a good reason? There could be. Okay. Very good. Well, they were fucking. You think? Okay. Okay.

Okay. It's not that crazy then. One of the Redditors, one of the Redditors that you sued. Yeah, I didn't sue anyone. Not only did you sue for copyright infringement, but in your process. You are absolute, hold on, you're lying. So you have to stop. I have not sued anybody.

Your lawyer demanded such insane things. Your only option to avoid litigation. You provide our office with all correspondence you've had with the moderators of H3 Snark. You'll provide our office with all correspondence you've had with other H3 Schnark. users. You provide our office with all correspondence you have had with the Reddit. What does that mean? Do you know why? You provide our office with information regarding the identities of H-3-Snark moderators. Do you know why? What does that mean? And then you

I'm trying to tell you, you just ask me, what does it mean, bro? If you do not or cannot satisfy all five conditions, TEI will sue you for copyright infringement and misrepresentation. Okay, so first of all, does your lawyer think that you can just like make people dance? All right. If they got them on a copyright claim? Or do you want to just talk uninterrupted? I mean, that's what you do every day. Let's have a conversation.

Okay? All right. Sure. Do you know why we sent them that letter? I don't. Well, I mean, do you think that the context might be important? Sure. Okay.

So then what the fuck are you doing? I'm listening. I'm waiting for you to explain. Just like you didn't explain why you had 110 Instagram stories, by the way. Oh, God. We got to rewatch those. This person and you. By the way, these people were committing

continual copyright infringement. They were posting clips with the stated intention, Hassan, of stealing views from us. This person, we took down the DMC post and they illegal, erroneously, I'm sorry, do you want me to respond? This person, erroneous. Stealing views from you, how?

Because they say, by posting it on Reddit? Yes, duh, what the fuck are you talking about? Really? So you're admitting that you literally, you were admitting that you literally filed a fucking frivolous, really are stupid. A frivolous copyright infringement lawsuit.

Do you know what a lot? Do you know what the difference with a letter in a lawsuit? Filed a frivolous lawsuit to try and stop people from criticizing you on Reddit? Did I say, do you know how many people criticize me on my Reddit? I didn't say criticized. You know how many people criticize me on your own? Oh my God.

This is so pointless. Imagine if I was fucking suing them. How would you talk about that? You know what? I want to ask you something. They're posting paywall content and saying, watch it here so that you don't support Ethan. Okay.

Hold on now. Now, let me ask you a question because this is fucking dumb. Okay, you always say that whenever, first of all, let me give you a stat. You've watched, you've watched 11 hate videos about me since this has started. Do you know how many I've watched about you on stream? Your whole stream is a hate video. Zero. I've had zero people hold my hand through some obscene hate views.

You've watched 11 of them. Now let me ask you this. Whenever I make a response to these videos, for example, the content cop, you say you don't have time because you need to get to the news, which is something important. How the fuck do you have 19 hours straight, uninterrupted to watch 11 hate videos, but you're not willing to show my response. Don't you think that's a bit cowardly? No, I don't because what's cowardly is ducking me for the past.

talking you. I'm sitting in front of you. When I, when you drop the content, Nugue, I said, I'm willing to talk to you. And you knew it was going to look at it on street.

As today has demonstrated. I said, you didn't watch it on stream. I said watch the video. Like, oh, just watch my video. Just watch my video. That's super reasonable.

Why the fuck what I have a conversation with you about a video you haven't seen? Because it's, because it's me. I'm speaking. It's not a biography. You understand that, right?

Do you understand the difference between a biography and a video that's critical of your positions? Do you understand the difference? Hold on, because I'm not sure you understand. It's not a biography. It's not about the points in your life about your mom and your dad and growing up with your family.

I'm making specific arguments that I've articulated that you have not seen. So how the fuck? Very poorly, by the way. How would you know that? Because I'm talking to you. Because I've watched 11 hate videos. And you haven't articulated a single good point yet. But by the way, I said I would debate you if you watch it.

It's very simple. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. You were dodging as fuck. Yeah. Because I responded to your. context nuke before the nuke came out. What you can't provide, by the way.

There is a video on my channel. There is a video on my channel that I urge all of you who are interested to go and watch. It is sitting at like, what, 600,000 views? Not that many people watch it as opposed to the content, uh, nuke. Okay. In that video, you will notice that months prior to Ethan's context puke, months prior to that, I addressed every single claim he made. You didn't watch the video.

How do you know that? Do I have the capacity to... You didn't watch the video. Do I have the capacity to... How do you know that? Do I have the capacity to... You didn't watch the video? Do I have the capacity to...

So where did you get the list? Do someone send you a list of all my points? How? Why not just watch the video? Just watch the video. Just say you watched it. I don't want to watch the video. Just send me a list of all the things.

So I don't... I don't want to get my feelings hurt and maybe he'd make a good point. You have... Why not watch the video? Consider yourself to be Kendrick Lamar in this beat. this one side of beat that you created initially. That's right. I didn't respond to until you try to de-platform me

and people who are pro-Palestine. Okay? Who cannot? By the way, being profiledstein means you are infallible and can never be created. That's awesome logic. You want to talk about the content, Newka?

Hassan, you want to talk about the contact, Newk? Can you name one clip that was out of context? You call it the context puke. Name one clip that was taken out of context. Go ahead. Watch my video and you'll find out. Name one.

Watch my video. Go ahead. It's about me. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'll show you. Okay. So one of the best examples that we were initially going to get to, and then we went on a long drawn-out sequence over... What's out of context? ...is that one of the clips that you used, one of the clips that you used in your context nuke was the claim that I deny rapes happened. I showed evidence. That wasn't out of context. That was an opinion. It's round two. At the time, at the time.

It's round two. that thing that you clipped were me being like rapes happening do not change the uh the dynamic for me which was about we talked about this bro can we please talk about something else it's exhausting that that argument quite literally why are we going over this again defending the likelihood of rapes happening Ethan I want to feel like that was an appropriate way to show that it wasn't out of

context bro it literally wasn't out of context what else do you have I showed you feel like that wasn't out of context How was it out of context? How was it out of context? Because that was an argument that I was having with a chatter who said, Why don't you deny that rapes have happened? I will if they want me to. And I was saying there is a likely that they might have happened.

What about all the other ones? What about all the other ones? I will be fair. Sexual assault is commonplace in conflicts in general. So without evidence, I am not going to immediately dismiss these claims. Okay. So here I did that. Do you feel like that was sufficient to show that I was actually anti, that I was actually at that moment saying like, I showed sufficient evidence, yes.

But the video is an hour and 40 minutes long. It's very long. That's one example. That's one small. What else is out of context? Go on. Okay. Great.

All right. Let me give you the master list. Okay. If you want to watch the context of it, we can also go through these videos as well, but, or you can just take my work for it up to you. What do you want to do? You want to go through the videos? Give me,

give me examples that was out of context. Okay. Okay. One of the other, one of the other things that you have consistently done, aside from also the dude that you claimed was my fan who now wasn't my fan

that you falsely slept Jesus carrimony Jiminy fucking cricket okay okay was the usage of the term imbred I use as a as a

what uh because I have that because I knew you were going to do this and I have the clip pulled let's play it and then you can play it the Jewish KKK brigades out there

just a bunch of fucking Oh no. Imagine the most inbred. Oh, God, he was ready. White supremacist guy, you can imagine. Okay? Every week there was another fucking psychopathic settler. Inbred, fucking douchebag.

These inbred, inbred, inbred fucking douchebags in the background, dude. A nation entirely comprised of messianic inbred, inbred, ultra-orthodox psychopaths. These inbred, Don't understand. Educated inbred fundamentalist Hicks. Calling us in the middle of campus, calling us inbred that we have no culture. One of them grabbed my friends Israeli flag in the middle of campus. Carre d'a mob by the gate that we're communicating with the angry mobs outside of campus.

Untrained inbred ass is shipped into southern Lebanon telling us that we are all inbred and that we have no culture. You want to see clips. Inbred. Inbred. Inbred. Inbred. Inbred, in bread, in bread, imbred, imbred, imbred, imbred, in bread, in bread, in bread, in bread, in bread, in bread, in bread, all together, happy birthday from slant to sign.

It's the, and that's like, is the algorithm. Oh, Jesus Christ. You go ahead and defend your continued use of the word imbred to describe Jewish people. Go on. Wait, do you think I'm describing all Jewish people as imbred? Is that what your, is that what your assessment is here? Microaggressions, my friend. We're pretending they don't exist.

You're referring, you can Up, dude, come on. You can continually refer to Jewish people as inbred. You're such a pussy. Oh my God. Yeah, dude. Of course I'm calling the fucking Kahanis, Jewish supremacist settlers inbred. Why is it that you tried to defend the actual Kahanis settlers that were destroying,

that were destroying humanitarian aid when I was calling them fucking inbred? You were like, oh, why? They're just nice, young Jewish boys, you said. When describing that fucking video. Did you... So again... You look that in the video. Again, Hassan, you have a chronic problem with the truth.

Here's what you're talking about. In douche bags in the background, dude. By the way, this is the difference between me and Asan. When I get criticized... I don't even know what's playing right now. I pull it up and I watch the fucking criticism. Hassan opens Comrade Casey tweets and snark posts and reads their interpretation of my video. Talk about being a pussy.

You need people to hold your hands. Let's fucking be real here. Yeah, I'm so scared of you. That's why I wanted to debate you. And this is like, this is an ongoing, like, joke with this community. These are just fucking benign dudes. Just, I don't know what the fuck they're doing. It looks like they're doing charity or something.

It looks like they've got water or box or something like they're helping. And he's going, oh, look at these inbred fucks. It's like, bro, who are you? What are you? By the way, even if they're doing whatever bad, you're still calling Jewish people inbred repeatedly. You understand that, right? Rubs off on people.

They're fucking Nazis. make it any less anti- They're participating You're referring They're not To Jewish people As inbred, bro. You don't think that that could affect people

I call all Since when? Racist right-wing reactionaries Inbred. It's one of the fucking terms that I can use That isn't like immediately How about one that doesn't feed into

Like an anti-Semitic trope? Why did you laugh when that guy said That people were calling them Inbred on campus? Why was that funny? What do you mean? Because it's a fucking cry bully claiming that he was a victim of harassment.

He was walking through campus. What? He was walking through campus. How was he a cry bully? No, he's a cry bully for going on Fox to be like, I was under attack. I was victimized once again. What was the bully aspect? How does that make you a cryboy?

What do you mean? To be a cry bully. There needs to be a bully aspect. Where's the bully aspect? Have you literally left your goddamn Bel Air Mansion for a second and looked at the news? Do you know what's going on? Don't you guys both live in mansions? year of genocide side by side with people claiming that Jews are being victimized on

college campuses has now led to the fucking Gestapo literally packing up pro-Palestinian student activists. You don't think those shi-hlippshitz play a role in that on Fox News of all places. What the fuck is wrong with you? Of course you're not pro-Palestine. This is the reason why nobody thinks you're pro-Palestine, okay? Because you do this dumb shit, because you can't fucking see the world outside of how you. You feel slighted by.

So you're saying people think I'm pro-Palestine because I don't like your repeated use of the word inbred against Jews? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you're running defense for kahanists who are literally not defending them. I'm attacking you. How is me saying why you are?

You are fucking crying about me calling Nazis inbred in the process of them. How are they not in the United States? Who decided they're not to Gaza? All the clips? And you're going, they look like kind. They look like kind boys. Yeah, I took it back immediately.

They looked like nice boys that were just holding the humanitarian aid. How do you assume that people won't see that? What the fuck is wrong with you? I admit I was wrong and took it back immediately. When I learned the context, do you know how that works? Oh, my God. Have you ever? You want to keep going?

Have you ever? No, it's fucking boring. Oh, now it's boring. Because I went, because you're a chronic liar. I went back. Maybe I wasn't afraid of the context nuke. I went back. Maybe I wasn't afraid of it.

But I was worried. that you were going to fucking clip shit out of context and keep chirping to your audience and lie to them and now you can't lie to them and all of a sudden, lo and behold, half of the fucking shit that we've talked about. Here, let's do this. Maybe that's the reason why people think you're fucking pro-Israel

at a time when you say that they're doing a genocide. You said that the Houthi Luffy was not a pirate. He's not. I'm sorry, not a, not Houthi-affiliated. He's not, but even if he was, I wouldn't care. I hope you understand that. Because that's rewriting history. I'm going to say, I'm going to say this very clearly to you.

I'm going to say this very clearly to you right now. Ten toes down. Are you ready for this? Go ahead. I believe what the Houthis are doing in terms of stopping Israel doing a genocide to implement a blockade on the Red Sea is a good thing. Ten toes fucking down. They are on the morally right side.

Don't you also think they're on the morally right side? You're supposed to, hold on. You're saying that it's a genocide. What have they done? What are they supposed to do? They hijacked a boat that had nothing to do with Israel? Like, fucking Bravo. That's not true. That's not true.

Really? What did it have to do with Israel? It was literally owned by an Israeli. It was partially owned. It was a big multi-conglomerate company that was partially owned by an Israeli. So then it's okay to take it over. Like, for Turkey from India. What do you mean?

There was, they kidnapped five totally unrelated Filipino fucking prisoners. You also said it. They're not going to be in Israel by the way. your fucking video. Are you going to take that back to now? Now you admit that you were wrong on that part two? I didn't hear you. Wow, what are we on?

Four? Five? How many points have you actually backtracked on? I don't know what you're accusing me of. What was that wrong about? You said in your video that it had nothing to do with Israel. You claimed that it wasn't owned by an Israeli conglomerary. You were wrong.

Partially owned by an Israeli guy? It means that it's working for a British owned. It's owned by a British company. It's owned a fucking ship. So it's owned by a British company. You literally claimed that it was owned by Isle of Man. It was an Isle of Manship. It is.

Like you think all of these ships mysteriously are just owned by that. And it's not a fucking easy flag to get. How much of this? So if this Jewish or this Israeli guy is in, if this Israeli guy, how much does he need to own of this business that owns this boat to justify? Is it point one? Is it point two? Is it 5%? How much?

I don't know. And I don't care. Because I think that even if they get, even if they got. some of the shit's wrong. I still think they're on the right side. Don't you? I mean, like, I agree with their... I'm not even conceding on that front, by the way,

because I do think that, once again, that was owned by an Israeli right side. That's an outright lie. You're not owned by an Israeli. Taking them hostage. You're not on the right side of history, taking civilian hostage. And you're basically running defense for terms of the table.

Now do I defend what they do? I think what they're doing, their message is good. method is terrible. Sure. Wait. Dude, let's ring up the fucking Al-Huthi family real quick.

Tell us how you would stop a genocide when you're the poorest country. Well, not hijacking an unaffiliate boat and kidnapping 15 fucking nationals and holding them for a year. How is that helping anyone? Yeah, that's another thing that you actually got wrong, by the way,

that even fucking Willie Sloptoob called you out on. Those people, by the time you had released your context puke, those people had been released. It was, yeah, I remember. I said they were prisoners for a year. I know they were released.

It literally happened like the day I was finishing the video. Were they held prisoners for a year? Were they held prisoner for a year? Were they held prisoner for a year? That's what I said. Thank you. Yeah, they were all hostage. So how's that help Israel, taking a bunch of Filipino fucking unaffiliated sailors hostage for a year?

Do you understand the concept of deterrence? Well, how's it deterrent Israel, kidnapping fucking. Do you understand the concept of deterrence? How is that a deterrence? It is a show of force. So civilians are okay targets as a method of deterrence. Successfully, mind you, to stop other commercial shipping from going through. They literally bankrupted an entire Israeli port.

I'd say that's numbers on the fucking board, baby. And like I said, 10 toes down, support that initiative. Because if you believe it's a genocide, what the fuck are they supposed to do? Should they not? Should they allow their coastline to continue having commerce as those? as though nothing is going on up there in Palestine where Israel is doing a genocide in Palestine? How do you think the Yemeni population should have responded

to the Israeli genocide? Should they have sat back and just let it happen? And also they can't say, obviously, they fucking can't say some of the river to see Palestine. Because that scares, that scares you, Ethan. So obviously they can't do that either. It's what Norman Finkelstein said. How can people be pro-Palestine in a way that you think is appropriate?

Where your example is hijacking an unaffiliated ship and kidnapping 15 sailors? It's not unaffiliated. But even if it was unaffiliated, as I've said already, if it was unaffiliated, that wasn't unaffiliated. You lied about that and you recognize that you lied about that for the record. But if it was, people can look into it. Even if it was unaffiliated, except you can't do anything or attack neutral civilians? Why are they kidnapping random unaffiliated sailors? How are you defending that?

You know what's, you're defending them kidnapping? These unrelated foreign sailors? Israel fucking blowing up a humanitarian aid. When did I defend that? 1,000. No, I'm not saying you're defending that. I'm just explaining to you what actual terrorism looks like. Well, you are defending terrorism, though.

And you've done it many times during this conversation. He is. He is. Drone strike. It's undeniable. A fucking humanitarian aid ship that was headed for Gaza off the coastline of Malta. That's real fucking terrorism. What the Houthis are doing on the other hand,

is resistance. And it's not only more... Very good. By taking the Filipino hostages? Do you think that the Filipino hostages who are held there for a year agree that that was an awesome, you know, that was an awesome act.

Oh my God. Probably not. Can you explain to me what you would do? What would you do? I think, well, first of all, that, I think that like there's something to be said for stopping the cargo and that straight, but they're doing it insanely fucking stupid.

They're stopping unaffiliated ships and they're kidnapping unaffiliated people. How is that good? They're doing it back. They're not unaffiliated ship, by the way. But even then, you won't explain how it's affiliated. He said, owned by an Israeli conglomerate. That is an outright lie. Hold on, you're doing disinformation right now.

It was not owned by an Israeli conglomerate. This is crazy. You said that. Yes, it was a lie. Galaxy Leader is a vehicle carrier that was owned by a British company, operated by a company. It was connected. It wasn't even, he didn't even own it. He was connected to an Israeli businessman.

It was, it was, it was, it was, Co-owned by a business that this Israeli guy was involved in. Yeah, co-owned by Abraham Ungar. So what? You know his name. What do you mean? It's co-owned by an Israeli. What are we talking about? No, it's co-owned by a company that has an Israeli dude affiliated with it. Well, you ask me how it's connected. I'm telling you how it's connected. That's like three degrees of removal and now it's okay to take over the ship.

You're lying. That's what I don't like. What are we talking about? I'm not lying. the ship info is readily available Ethan Yeah I agree You know what I mean It doesn't matter anyway The problem for me really

It doesn't oh it doesn't matter That's the larger part That you also presented falsely On your context puke The problem is more The kidnap sailors I just don't understand You can justify kidnapping

A bunch of unaffiliated sailors I don't Ethan You are You are You go Have you heard of deterrent He is

Just say you Rock with me through this carefully. Yeah, please. I ask you to explain to me how it's justifiable. You said 10 toes down. Ethan, what would you do? Go ahead. You have a better way to do it, I think.

We're going to figure it out. Well, like I said, you can do it without kidnapping unaffiliated, on affiliate, holding them for a year. There were, there were militancy resistance. Oh, God, the Holocaust. That cut off supply lines, okay? Supply lines for the Nazis or even sometimes supply lines that actually impact. the civilians, okay?

Impact the civilians. Do you feel like that kind of resistance was unwarranted? It's completely irrelevant. Why did they hold them for a year? I don't know. Okay, because they're terrorists. That's what? Yeah, obviously.

Because they're terrorists. They kidnapped innocent civilians. Thank you. Are they? So you feel the people that are, the people that are resisting against the Israeli genocide that you call age genocide

are actually terrorists because you don't agree with their talking methods. But you have no way you don't agree with the methods. The methods are terrible. That's not true.

I say just don't kidnap innocent people. How do you do this? It's easy. Just don't kidnap innocent people. Yeah. They could have done that, right? They could have taken the boat. They could have commandeered the boat

and not kidnap people, right? Is that possible? Fair. Do you think that that warrants the standard of saying that one of the only groups that is doing militant against and resisting against Israel's genocide, which they stopped, by the way.

They literally stopped when Israel actually followed through on a ceasefire. If they were just, you know, erroneously and randomly fucking trying to claim ships because they're pirates. They want to live the pirate life. Then obviously they wouldn't have stopped doing that, don't you think? And they only started, they only started their blockade after Israel started starving Gaza again. And then also turned around. Do you have to do with innocent sailors?

Ethan, I don't think you want to go down this route. I'm ready. What do you mean? Innocent people is terrorism. Is Israel terrorist? Is the IDF terrorist? I mean, you could characterize it that way. Is the IDF terrorist?

I mean, it's an army, so it's a different thing. It's like a... Why is it a different thing? You think the Osama Movement doesn't have a standing army? They have an army. The Houthis, to do like a hostile takeover of like a portion of Yemen. They're at odds with the government. It's different.

They also own... A lot of the Umini people don't support the Houthis, by the Houthis. But I'll say, yeah, Israel, the IDF is terrorists. It's not like they even support the Houthis. Hold on. Talk to me about how the Ansala movement actually came to power without getting any notes from your Discord or anything like that. Explain to me the process in which Oswald

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, you don't know. Yeah, you should try saying that sometimes. In your video, you also used a lot of Saudi outlets to be like, these guys are actually doing slavery. Give me one. And it turned out that actually,

Give me the Saudi al-Az. The videos that you used did not even suggest that it was on Saddala that was doing slavery in the fucking poorest country on the planet. The Houthis have slaves. That's not even contested. They weren't the ones that were doing the slavery according to your own fucking video, but you still used it. The Houthis have slaves, on the disputed.

Jesus. At a time when Saudi Arabia was doing a fucking genocide. Having slaves and kidnapping innocence. It's just so unnecessary. What are you talking about, dude? Just acknowledge that they do terrible shit. The Saudi back government was the one. that was actually doing slavery.

Well, if they did, then the Houthis also have slaves. That's just a statement of fact. No, the Houthis don't have shit, okay? They don't have any shit. They don't have slaves. They don't even have slaves. Like, what are you talking about? That's not the point I'm making. They are the poorest country on the planet that just came out of a man-made famine. How's that blockade, by the way, helping the country?

Saudi Arabia and the UAE. How is the blockade helping the famine in Yemen? How is the blockade helping the famine in Yemen? There is, as far as I understand, no longer a famine in Yemen. I'm talking about before because you talked about how you were a regional expert. What is blockading it doing

for the poorest country on earth? You brought up the answer Allah and their violent takeover of Yemen. So I was like trying to figure out what you know about this. Maybe you know something that I don't know. So I was trying to pick your brain a little bit. So explain to me why it matters. It seems like you don't know shit.

Sure. I don't know about this specific thing. Tell me it matters. Tell me why it matters. Yeah. Clearly their blockade is. Oh, Their blockade is awesome. No, why it matters how they came to power. Oh, because you used Saudi newspapers in the time when Saudi Arabia, according to Human Rights Watch, MNC International, all fucking NGOs,

was doing a Western-backed blockade that was killing hundreds of thousands of people. And the headlines that you used in your context to were from Al-Arabia and numerous other outlets that had their own personal investment in vilifying the, the onsana law movement. Uh-oh, here comes the clip. I also think that there are plenty to criticize about the onsla law movement. I don't agree with everything that they're fucking doing.

As I've said time and time again, like their banner, right? Their banner is first to Jews, which you also presented in your video, except remember when you talked about Norm Finkelstein and how Norm Finkelstein doesn't agree with from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free?

Can we play the clip of Norm Finkelstein talking about the curse the Jews? and what he thinks about that, let's do that. Let's pull up the clip of Norm Finkelstein's thoughts. How is that relevant? How is that relevant? How is that relevant? How is that relevant?

You used him as a primary source earlier because you thought, you know, he's a reputable guy, which I think I agree. He said something that I've said that I've been criticized for. And what does that have to do with every other take he's taken? It doesn't mean that I support that, like, we're aligned with every other take in the world. Dan, can you play his clip real quick? Sorry, it's irrelevant. I passed it along.

It's totally irrelevant. What do you mean? It's irrelevant. Because who gets the fuck what he said about it? Wait, what do you mean? You want to talk about... You use this perspective on from the river to the sea to imply that he agrees with you. He does.

I want to see if you agree with him on this. I still don't see why it's okay to take over and hold people hostage. Thank you. So here, I'm going to play it, okay? And then when this is done, let's move on to something I know we both want to talk about. You claim... Yeah. I'm going to play it.

I just want to set this up. What about that? You claim that the worst thing I said in the context... puke is that I wrongfully portrayed Jewish people fleeing from their countries and I denied the knock bus somehow, which is crazy. So let's talk about that after this clip. Okay, perfect. Yeah, perfect. And by the way, we're not going to scare us. You're not going to stop. I'll just say up front, we can end on that point, you know. Oh, I can keep going all day. I'm sure you can. Yeah, I know. I know you go to bed tonight in a cool race car bed, but I have family. Okay. No, that's fine.

Why are you thinking about what my bedroom looks like? It's kind of weird, man. Yeah. No, you're right. You fucking badass fucking sports car bed. It's a meme. Very odd. As long as the people in Gaza are subjected to a genocide, we won't stop.

Do you know all the praise that's given to the Danish government because it helped evacuate Jews during World War II? But is there a case where a totally distant people did that for the people. of Gaza. If I were to give a Nobel Peace Prize, I would divide it between three. South African delegation. Number two, those doctors who volunteered to go to Gaza, the doctors without borders and others. One doctor, he was Palestinian. Why don't you leave? Because he had the option. He was able to go. He said, I didn't go to medical school for 30 years to abandon my people. He was good. And the third, it's the Houthis. If genocide is the crime of

crimes. The Houthis are the hero of heroes. Yeah, I mean, the first two examples, I definitely agree. I think it's psychotic to give, to say, give the Houthis a peace prize. That's, yeah, that's not. Why? Because what the fuck have they done for peace other than they kidnapped innocent civilians? What are you talking about? As you said, the poorest country on Earth. That is a direct material. The Houthis, the Houthis have created direct material consequences for Israel, as it is implemented a genesis.

All right, let's give them a peace prize. Whatever, I don't care. Let's give them a peace prize. I think they deserve it. Yes, absolutely, without a doubt. Don't ask the unaffiliated prisoners who are held for a year, though, if they do. No, I don't, I think you're missing the broader point here. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Right. Here, I'll give you a great example of this, by the way, because you spent a lot of time being like, the Houthis are bad. They're homophobic. I'm like, I'm sure they are. Holy shit. Also, Dad, it keeps switching back to me on my end. Sorry. Let's talk about the issue of the knock-but and stuff.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I know you keep saying, oh, it doesn't matter. This is boring whenever you come across a point that you have to admit it is wrong. But listen, listen to me. Listen to me. You said the Houthis are, the Houthis are barbaric. They're homophobic. They hate women.

All this shit, right? And I'm sure a lot of that is correct. Probably. Of course it is. It is the fucking poorest nation on the planet. And all of his known is fucking death and destruction. This doesn't justify. This doesn't justify having that sort of opinion, of course.

But it certainly understands, don't you think? Certainly is part of the point, part of the problem. And the best possible way to probably get them to have a civil rights movement to give gays rights would probably be to stop fucking bombing them. That wasn't my chief criticism. And as Donald Trump has done. Yeah, that wasn't my chief criticism. Again, my criticism is that they're kidnapping civilians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. You don't like their methods, but you have no alternative methods. I said just do it without kidnapping civilians, dude. It's not rocket science. You said the IDF. You said the IDF is maybe not a terror organization, but the IDF is a terror organization.

I didn't say that. Wrong? Wrong, wrong, wrong. Again, a liar. Okay. So you think the idea of is a terror organization? I said yes. You believe the idea of it.

I think it's fair to characterize them that way. Okay. Your wife was in the IDF. Yeah. Do you believe your wife is a terrorist? Of course not. You have considered a 19-year-old Yemeni Tick-Toker who is not even a part of the Al-Huthi family

with no Houthi affiliation, but simply a person that says he stands with the Houthis. And I do, too, a terrorist over and over again because he has a gun in the second highest gun on the line. That's because he had a gun. That isn't why. And because he responded to a fucking Instagram conversation saying he's a soldier. a dude who doesn't even speak English.

Let's watch this. You kept claiming that he was a terrorist over and over again. His name is Rashid al-Hadad. He is not even a fucking Zaidi Shia. He's not even a part of the Houthi family. Let's watch the evidence.

His last name would be Al-Huthi, not al-Hadad, okay? Let's watch that evidence. This person you have, this person, you've looked at a 19-year-old fucking teenager who's a TikToker terrorist. In the poorest country on the planet

who's only known dead. and destruction and spent countless fucking hours looking through whatever his social media was to be like, this guy is bad. Let's take that wall. Yeah, of course he's fucked up. He lives in goddamn Yemen. Do you know what the bigotry of low expectations is? Do you know what the bigotry of low expectations is?

He's a terrorist. You're saying because he's poor, he hates Jewish people. Let's watch. No, let me show you. It's not because he's poor that he hates Jewish people. It's because he lives in fucking Yemen. And in that part of the world, the only thing that people see is the dangerous conflation of Zionism and Judaism. I'm sure they Yemeni.

The fighter jets that blow up their fucking schools have a star of David next to them. And when the Palestinians are kidnapped, when they're fucking forced to go through military trial detention, they get fucking stars of the David carved on their heads. Israel is the one that dangerously and falsely claims to be the nation state of Jews. Israel is the one that makes everybody think that this action, all of the action, the genocide that you called a genocide, is actually being done at the behest of Jews. So, of course, everyone in that side of the fucking world. When they say, it's interchangeable with Israel.

So what about taking over the judge? What? Oh, no. Do you think he's like Anne Frank? Oh, no. Oh, of course. Absolutely. Did Anne?

He has withstood genocide by the Saudi government. Saudi government. Of course I do. I think that talking to, but my point that I was fucking presenting, my point that I was fucking presenting. And Frank is famous for being a pacifist and seeing the good in people despite a fucking holocaust that took every member of her family but her dad. That's why she's inspiring. This guy went on Twitter and said fuck Jewish people. Would you think Anne Frank would be less inspiring if she somehow was able to get out of the... If she was like, I want to kill Germans and hang them? Yeah. And took up arms against the Nazis. Would you say that Anne Frank is bad for that? Say Anne Frank is bad for that, Ethan. for something that didn't happen? Say and Frank would be bad if she took up arms against the violent Nazi occupation. Say it. It wouldn't be the same for sure.

Oh, it wouldn't be the same. She's famous, being a pacifist and seeing the good of people despite living through a Holocaust. You understand that? That's not what. Let me show you. Do you think that if Anne Frank took up arms against a Nazi occupation, Israel is an occupying Yemen anyway?

Take up arms against Nazi occupation. It was not occupying Yemen. What about the people that are taken prisoner? Are they Nazis? In this region, American imperialism is all they have known. You said this, why don't they say death to Saudi Arabia on their flag? Why is it Jews? Why is it damned the Jews?

They're directly fighting Saudi Arabia. What are you talking about? You see the Sard David. Of course they hate Jews. What about their, why is their flag say death to fucking Israel and damn the Jews? Their flag says, death to America, death to Israel, a curse upon the Jews. The Jews, curse upon the Jews. That's kind of gauche, not acceptable.

Not appropriate by Western standards, but if you listen to... What standards are they appropriate by it? Norm has a clip on that, too. Wait, no. Let me show you this. Because you've been going on and not appropriate. Can you explain that? No, I want to show you this, okay?

You've been talking and talking and talking. Wait a minute. Let's watch this. He said... Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Ethan? You've got to stop. Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto uprising? I'm going to play this video, okay?

He says, ready for Sacroval? Maybe I read it. These people always think that they're in the Holocaust, man. Maybe he's talking about football. Here he is singing a song with the words, do you threaten us with what we are waiting for, son of a Jew? Meaning of Houthi is a title, and it's not something to fear, but for the Jews. They are very afraid of this title.

The execution we will carry out on all Zionists with the lovely depiction of a man impaled through his asshole and out of his mouth. Not so good. Or how Hassan likes to say it, a pike for a cut. Okay, why would he retweet this article called Huth? these use social media to boost global prominence and support. Israel falls, wait for the new operation in Tel Aviv, the Jaffa drone, which no Israeli defense can stop. The ships we bombed and sang.

I know the red arrow is supposed to be a cool military Hamas thing. This is a butt plug. Just saying. To every Zionist, I will put this into your stomach. And let me state the obvious. Jew and Zionists is clearly interchangeable to this guy. Okay, but hating Jews doesn't make you a hootie. Are you a soldier? Yes.

That's pretty bad. definitive. Why did he why did he say yes? Are you a soldier? Bro, he doesn't even if he's fucking speed. Wait, why would you say that? Oh, he's a soldier. Wait, wait, even if he is. Even if he is. So he admits it. He is. I'm going to ask you a question very

clearly and very deliberately. If Anne Frank, just like Anne Frank, if we had the internet during the time of the Holocaust, and Frank posted about this is what we're going to do with the Nazis, would your analysis of Anne Frank change even a little bit, even

Of course it would. Of course. Because she's famous for being a pacifist, not tweeting out death's all zinesis. She's famous for seeing the good in people, not fucking tweeting out that we want to nuke Israel. What do you mean? Because I would not give a fuck. I would be loud and proud going, hey, that's what. Sorry.

She said that's what we're going to do the Nazis. Fuck yeah, girl. So, hold on. After watching that compilation, you still agree that he's just like Anne Frank. Did you not hear what I asked you? I'm just summarizing. Yes. Okay, very good.

And Frank, Anne Frank died before she could resist. But if she did, I would never hold that against her. He was fucking killed in a concentration cap, you psychopath. But if she did. She was exterminated with her whole fucking family.

Her dad's the only one that survived and recovered her journal. Are you fucking mad? Ethan, right? Would you hold that against her? Would you hold that against her? I would have hold it against her, but she wouldn't be the same

historical, like, figure that said, Despite my family being killed in concentration cap and everyone being murdered, I'm still a passive. This is the good in people. What the fuck is what's so confusing about that? How are we even thinking about this? Not kill Zinus. Not a pike through Zionist.

What are we talking about? I can't believe we're, once again, discussing the posts of a dude in Yemen. You really like to do that. 19 fucking years old. Well, you said he's not a hootie. You mean, you went on and on and on and on about how he's just some random fucking innocent kid that you platformed.

He is. He is. He is. He is. Which, by the way, just terrible journalism. Like, you, what is your, you have KFC in Yemen? Is that the fucking best question you have for someone who's apparently surviving a genocide in Yemen? I was actually curious about the KFC.

To be fair. Apparently partying with the captains? You say, is there KFC in Yemen? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Here's some clip that you haven't shown. Besides being like wrong, it's insanely incompetent. We're going clip for clip.

We're going clip for clip. Oh, oh. It's from my subreddit. Let's get it. Give me a sec. Dan's got to pass it to me. Okay, after this, please, we got to move on to the Nakba thing.

Yeah. Every single victim of Israeli or American violence has to be a passivist. Do you want me to watch this? I mean, what the fuck, bro? It's four minutes, so I'm not going to watch the whole thing about watch like a minute or two minutes.

Okay. This is like shot by a fucking, like, propagandist. What are you talking about? Like, he's all fucking dolled up. He's got makeup on. The lighting is perfect. He's like, guys, please, we love the Jews. Give me a break.

Hassan also believe the Hamas propaganda when they released the prisoners. And he kissed them under the threat of gunpoint. You pick and choose what you think. Hassan also believe that. I mean, what do you think is appropriate to show? What do you think about all this shit I showed you? Which do you think he believes? This or that?

Yeah. I think he believes both. Oh. This is not. He believes the Jews are friends and also we need to murder them all. The problem is. Yeah. He believes that Jews are friends and we need to murder them all.

Is that correct? Is that what you think? You conflate. You can't. No, he said Jews. He and the tweets said this is what we're going to do to Jews. For them, when they talk about, when they talk about Israel, they sometimes reflect it as Jews.

And that's the Jews fall, right? But listen to me. And you're blaming the victim. Because in that interview that I conducted with him, I asked him about how he felt about Jews, anti-Zionist Jews specifically. I remember. And he said he loves them.

That is such a lie. You're such a liar. You don't know this person. I watched it. That's not what he said, though. He has no reason to lie. He said, if they support Palestine, then I like them. He didn't.

You're lying. You're just lying. You're lying about what he said. You're lying. I've seen that interview. You're lying. He didn't say that. He said, if they support Palestine, then that's good.

What? That's what he said. It's a fucking materially way different than I love Jews. What the fuck you ever you said? No, you didn't hear my, you just repeated what I said. Go ahead. What did you say? I said love, but I think he didn't.

I guess he didn't say love. Hold on a son. What did you say he said? I said that I don't care what anyone's background is. I love them. Jew, Christian, Muslim, doesn't matter. if you are against Israel, I love them. That's what I said.

There's no problem with Jews who are pro-Palestine. That's nowhere close to what you said. Can't they just play the clip? Dude. Well, you realize you were wrong. You got caught in a lie, so you're revising. It's fine. Let's move on to the knock-but thing.

Dude, I don't care. We've got to move on, bro. Ethan, listen to my words very carefully. If he had told me, okay, I hate all Jews unconditionally, I am an anti-Semitic person. He did tweet stuff like that. The conversation would. go very differently. But even then, I probably wouldn't be as vicious as you would.

He literally said that on social media continually. Because I understand the material conditions. And what plays a role in people's recognition of the world? Nobody needs to fear what their upbringing looks like. He said. Yeah. I'm going to shove my gun and kill Jews. What?

No, he didn't say that. I'll play it again. You want me to play it again? Oh, God. All right. Here we go. Just play the fucking clip then. God damn it.

Just play the clip. He said Zion is. But play the fucking clip. Yeah, yeah. I'll play it. Play the clip I sent you. Without fucking complaining. You're just too doled up. Well, you want me to watch your clip?

I thought, no, we're going to watch my clip. No, play the fucking clip I sent you. By the way, is this, I don't know if this is... What a good day. Oh, what a good day. It does matter, unfortunately. You're on Twitch where stealing content is fucking regular, but on YouTube, there's standards. Hi.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. God forbid. Someone might copy strike here. and then their lawyers might demand erroneous which you admit it is sometimes warranted where's the link of... Mr. Fair use, Mr. Fair Use.

Yeah, do you know what fair use is? You fucking moron. It's using it fairly. There's a big difference between... Fair use is when you get mad at Redditors criticizing you, so you fucking... Bro, bro, bro. Of course, I hire about my monetization to use them. And make demands about how they have to... We must have to do fair use, man. Release information about their...

All right. Let me play this for a minute and then we'll move on. All right, play. This is the most pathetic terrorist propaganda. Who the fuck believes this? And the fact that you actually think this is credible. Yes. It's such a...

It's so hilarious to me. Wow. Let's keep it going. No, I love this. This is great. Let him clap. All right, just keep playing it. Keep playing it.

Sorry. I'm trying. I don't know where the audio went. I mean, Hassan believes the Hamas propaganda of the guy kissing the Hamas captor. After the guy with the gun went by and told him to kiss him. The Yemeni teen who went viral for Wapo

before Hassanahun got the school. How are we even believing this bullshit video? He used to chastise Hassan for legitimate journalism and an interview that half of MSM was chasing. Well, first of all, Taylor Lorenz is a fucking hack loser who's obsessed with you, okay? Of course she would say that. She, by the way. What was the legitimate?

Name one question you asked him that represents legitimate journalism. Okay. One question. Great question. Do you, what do you feel about anti-Zionish Jews leading many of the anti-Israel protest in the United States of America? That's your most important journalistic question, which he basically said, they're cool. You ask me one. I give you one.

I don't think that, I mean, I find that to be insignificant, especially considering his answer. No follow-up questions? Why don't you ask him if he not, why don't you ask a follow-up question? Like, do you not care if there's Zionist Jews? That there are Israeli Jews that support you? I don't give a fuck if he cares if there's Zionist Jews or not. What about what? What was the hard-hitting part about asking if he likes one piece?

Was that hard-hitting journalism? No, it was called humanizing. I was called cringe as fuck, glazing, pathetic. Yeah, because you don't like when a fucking brown person gets a little bit of airspace. Is that right? They look like a human being. So you're resorting to calling me racist. They all have to the same skin color.

Am I crazy? I crazy? What the fuck you're talking about, dip shit? Hold on. So you kidding me about these racists. Are you talking about this guy? Are you talking about this? What is this?

What is this? Do you think it's appropriate to call your wife a terrorist? I think you do. No, I don't. You don't think it's appropriate. No. Okay. You have stated time and time again that you believe, to show how propals that you are,

that you believe settlers are valid. military targets. Right. Who do you think is protecting the settlers who you claim are valid military targets? In the process, in the process of their programs that they're doing. Sorry, was Eli out there protecting settlers? Well,

she's forced into it. She was doing a night rate as a matter of fact. And I didn't know any of this until recently for the record. That's a huge difference. Yeah. You're going to do the radar of Marilla snark bullshit. Go on. Yeah.

Your community doesn't harass anyone. She was 18 years old. She went on a ride along to Ramallah for some kind of fucking mission. She stayed in the, in the, car and then they went back and that's all that happened. She's 18 years old, bro. She's a secretary.

The process of taking someone hostage, you called him it, by the way. That person was a Palestinian living in his own, living in his own fucking home. And your wife went on a raid to Ramallah, which you have called a terror city.

Yeah, that was, that was an old clip. I don't think we're a valid military target in that process. Because you've said that settlers are valid military targets. Do you think your wife is a valid military target? Do you think your wife is a West Bank settler? She's not a West Bank settler. But she's in the way of the bank. Where is, Ethanan. Matt Empanata thinks she's invalid. Your friends over at Second Thought think they're, that she's a valid military target. Do you think she's a valid military target? Do you think she's a

valid military target? I do not as a matter of fact. I don't. Okay. Can we please move on to this, uh, the not-a thing? Listen to me. Son, bro, you're making this online. watchable. Listen to me. Listen to me. Jesus. We got to move on. How does this make sense in your mind? You say Israel is doing genocide. She has

participated in the kidnapping of a Palestinian in the West Bank. You don't know who was kidnapped and for what reason. You say you hate the settlers. We don't know who was, first of all, who protects the settlers, Ethan? Your wife did. Kidnapped. They arrested somebody. We don't know what happened or what they did.

What if he fucking stabbed civilians? Do you understand the process in which child I'm sorry, do Palestinian terrorists never stab and blow up civilians? They're placed under military detention. They are not actually placed. They do not go through a civil court process. Do Palestinian terrorists ever commit violence on civilians that were weren't them being arrested? They are not in the West Bank.

You don't know anything about this person or this raid. In Ramallah, in Palestinian territory, your wife was an illegal occupier of a terrorist organization, also known as the Israeli occupying force, Ethan. Now, I know people that have also served in the Israeli occupying force as a matter of fact. I've relied on breaking the silence. By the way, her name is Heel. I don't know if you keep doing your wife. Why do you that?

He's doing it again. Why do you keep referring to my wife? It's bizarre. Okay, Heela, whatever, who cares? It just belies some really bizarre thing. It's not random shit. It's not random at all. It says a lot.

Listen to my words. Listen to my words. It's so exhausting. I have no issue with someone as long as they have recognized their mistakes. Their mistakes, as long as they recognize that that was wrong. What I take issue with is consistently defending Israel. You have also participated in the defense of Israel. It makes no sense.

You're inconsistent. You say it's a genocide, but people can't resist militarily. You say it's a genocide, but all the people who are outspoken are vile anti-Semites. Who is supposed to be able to resist against his genocally? You actually think it's a genocide? Ila was doing mandatory military service. What does she have done? There's numerous options.

One, which is exemption. Two, refusing to serve. But even then, I don't have a problem with her being socially conditioned into thinking that this is appropriate. So go to jail. What's she saying now? I have a problem with how she reflects on that and doesn't realize that that was an unjustifiable thing to do. Okay, well, listen. You can talk to her debate about it.

I don't know what you're even referring to. Okay. Yeah, why are they arguing about his wife? I don't even know what the fuck you're referring to. You're just calling my wife a terrorist. Like, give me a break, dude. No. She did mandatory.

Let me ask you a question. Hassani, please, you got to let me talk. How she went on a raid. You have to let me talk. The fact that you're just talking over me and being louder does not mean you're right. I promise. What? Being louder and talking more does not mean you're right.

Okay. It's good to listen to what I have to say. She's part of mandatory conscription. Did Heela not volunteer? Did Heela not volunteer to go to the West Bank on a raid because she was bored in Ramola? Yeah, she's 18. It's understandable. We don't know what that guy did, though. We don't know what the rape was for.

He could have been a vicious terrorist mosque. What if he killed people? Yeah. What if he killed people? Of course he would be worthy of being arrested. Ethan, is Ramallah a part of Israeli territory? I mean, it's complicated, right? It's under occupation. No, I don't think so, but it's under occupation, right? Okay.

So why was your wife in Ramallah? Maybe are getting a terrorist that killed civilians. She sat in a car. It's not complicated. She sat in a car and didn't even leave it. It never did it again. Your wife participated in an illegal raid according to international human rights. That is the reality.

Now, I understand, I understand the person killed like a child. Would you have upset if this person they arrested, like stabbed people? Like, you don't know what you're talking about. If she were to talk about how fucked up that was. What the fuck. It's so boring. No, stop. Listen to my words.

No. She should have to talk about how fucked up that is. As many, as many former IDF vets have, have on breaking the silence if she talked about the night raid that she participated in in the same way that just like frogan says uh only i don't hate only the ones to regret about i would have no issue with her do you want to know why because i understand people can change i don't i'm not i don't condone the raid but i mean see we neither of us have any information about like who what actually happened you know what you mean there is no you don't understand if she is illegally there okay

she's a terrorist it doesn't matter her and her entire brigade was not to supposed to be there. I don't think she knew what they were doing. As a matter of fact, what she participated in? What does this have to do with anything? What she participated in is called a night raid. What she participated in is called a night raid. Please, we got to move on.

This is like just so. The reason why the Israeli occupying force, the reason why the Israeli occupying force participates in these night raids in the West Bank. You're making this unwatchable. Create a constant, a constant feeling of terror. Talking more does not make you right. Okay, you got to understand that.

The reason why the is. Israeli occupying force. You're repeating yourself. Participates in night raids is to create a constant, is to create a constant sense of terror. We don't condone it. She was 19. She was doing military conscription. She didn't know where they were going or what they were doing.

Listen to me. Okay. Listen to me. I'm listening, but you just keep repeating yourself. This is what you do. The reason why I know. The reason why I know that. You want to stop.

Do you want this to be unwatchable? Is that what you want? Yeah. Do you want this to be unwatchable? If I was him, I would. The reason why I know that, Ethan, I'm taking that as a yes. Breaking the silence veterans who have come out and spoken out against this practice.

That's why I know that. Hassan, you say that Ila should have gone to, could have gone to jail and done a conscientious objection instead of joining the army. Why do you pay taxes? Why do you pay taxes to the United States government? This is your big argument, Ethan? Answer the question. That I pay taxes and I'm morally culpable. I know that's why I try to fucking fight against this goddamn government doing this shit every day.

Hold on. Why don't you stand up for your principles and go to jail for it? because it would not actually stop, okay? It would not actually stop. And her going to jail and stop the idea. The reason why I'm saying, the reason why I'm saying, I don't have,

I don't take issue with Heela's fucking actions then, as long as, just like you said, she was just 19 years old. I take issue with the fact that she still defends it on principle. What is she says? The Israeli occupying force is not a terror organization. You have a disagreement with him.

Well, I think I can see it from her perspective too, which is like, you know, the problem with you is that everything's black and white. But you can't see it from Russia, Al-Hadda's perspective. Yeah, he's a fucking terrorist.

He says he wants to kill Jews. And you said like Anne Frank. That's why you can fucking constantly claim that he is a terrorist. Oh my God. Please, we got, I want this to be watchable. Okay, let's move on. It's fucking obvious. You made your point.

You made your point. Okay. So specifically, you said this, which is, you said in the context, puke, you said this was the worst thing I did. So let me play it. Okay. And then we can discuss. Or Jews displaced.

Let me go back. the 1940 trees that expelled them in massive amounts following the 1940 war. In fact, there was more Jews displaced than Palestinians. This was one of the worst pieces of misinformation I've seen in the fucking context puke for the record. It was crazy. So, Mike, again, nicely done, let this guy hold your hand and formulate your opinions. But he's not here to help you, okay?

So you tell me what was wrong with the, what was misinformation about saying that 900,000 Jews were displaced? Yeah. You make a comparison between planned ballot, which is a planned ethnic cleansing campaign to, one, horrify Palestinians inside of villages that had actually no arms whatsoever because they had specific peace agreements that they've done with Jewish villages by killing them. No, no, no, this isn't a comparison question. What was the fucking hell, bro? You are incapable to answer anything. You asked me a question and I can't even fucking answer it.

You're not answering it. You're not. You're just going on. I am. I am answering it. What was the exaggeration? Ethan, sit the fuck down and listen to the history lesson. Okay, you're going to learn a little bit right now. Okay?

De Riazine is Tantura. These are two very famous massacres that took place. The brigades, the militant brigades, the Zionist brigades that then formed the IDF, including some that personally called themselves terrorists, by the way, Lihi and Irgun, went in and did horrifying mass rape, kidnapped. throwing people in ovens. That sounds fast. And then the survivors left to tell the tale.

In that process, these brigades would go to each individual city and forcibly ethnically cleanse 750,000 Palestinians. This is known as the knockoff. What the fuck does that have to do with the Jewish refugees? Answer that question. I know what the knock phase.

I don't deny it. Do you think that that is even remotely comparable to Jewish people leaving sometimes voluntarily, and sometimes because their governments had made deals with either Israel or France. How many of the 900,000 left voluntarily? I don't know the exact number of how many left voluntarily, do you?

Take a guess. I would suspect that a big chunk of them, you're going to say did not leave voluntarily, but that is not the case. Well, you're lying and you're fucking dead wrong. You brought up the fact that I talked about what happened in Iraq. So let me give you a timeline of what happened in Iraq.

1932 they gain independence 1944 Hebrew is banned Jews are fired from government positions 1938 Zionist activity is outlawed crimes as trivial as possessing a biblical mac of the holy and will send you to jail The Farhood program inspired by neo-Nazis

Rashid al-Kalini killed 180 Jews Hundreds were injured widespread looting property damage 1947 Jews were banned from immigrating because they didn't want them to go strengthened the state of Israel, and they wanted to hold them prisoners against Israel and the West. In 1948, the war begins. Jewish banks were forbidden to transact with foreign countries.

Jews were arrested for Zionist activity, for economic crimes. They were fines that were paid to the Ministry of Defense. In 1949, a month after taking office, the British learned that they were planning to expel the Jews from Iraq before they even left. Does this sound like volunteer? Does this sound voluntary? Does that sound voluntary? Does it? I don't know.

I sent you a clip. No, no, no, no, no. One of the most important scholars on this issue. Oh my God, please. Is an Iraqi Jew by the name of Avi Shlame. Yeah, I love this. Let's listen to him. Okay, let's listen to it.

Jews were convinced that Israel had a hand in approving them. After the 1948 war, there was mounting popular hostility towards the Jews in Iraq. Five bombs exploded. in Jewish sites, the series of bombs created a panic which led more and more Jews to register to leave the country. I bet. I met an elderly friend of my mothers, an Iraqi Jew called Yaakov Karukli, who had been in the Zionist underground.

One member of his group, Yosef Basri, a very, very intelligent Jewish lawyer, and his assistant, Shalom Salah Shalom, were responsible. responsible for three out of the five bombs. Busry's controller was an Israeli intelligence officer named Max Bennett. Let's grant that what he's saying is true and that three of the five bombs were done by Zionists, right? How does that explain 150,000 people leaving the fucking country? Thousands of years of civilization that have been there, 2,000 years, just picking up and leaving almost virtually gone. How does that explain that?

A few bombs? Israeli government, why is it the Israeli government benefited from creating instability and making it seem as though these countries were uninhabitable? And why do you think that, despite the fact that Iraq and numerous other countries have offered Israelis or Jews, a right to return. Because they were being fucking on the Israeli front for numerous reasons. Let me tell you an inconvenient fact for you, Hassan. Let me tell you inconvenient fact. I wonder why that happened. Before the bombs went off.

Before the bombs went off. 100,000 of the 125 Jews were already registered to leave. Do you want to explain that? Yes. Jews wanted to go to Israel, Ethan. They like the idea of going to Israel. You like Israel. Yeah, you're a liar. You're a disgusting fucking propagandist liar.

Here's what Avi Schlyme actually said. My research I established that one bomb was loved, one hand grenade was loved by a young activist in the East Deklaal party, which wanted to expel the Jews from Iran. and confiscate the properties. And another bomb was, another hand grenade, was lobed into the Masuda Shemtov synagogue, and therefore people were killed.

And he was a criminal who had a grudge against the Jews, and it had nothing to do with the Mossad. Did you hear that? The first two had nothing to do with the Mossad. But let's continue to listen to the respected scholar Avi Shalim. You fucking liar. No, you listen to this fucking historian. Yes, you said they left by choice.

They left because of Zionism. They left because they were being threatened. Let's hear what your respected historian has to say, you liar. I was right. Wait, listen. If all this is true, the main reason for the Exodus was not the bombs. It was persecution by the government. And I concede that.

It's not part of my argument. argument that the bombs were the main reason for the liquidation of this community. But my answer to my Zionist critics is, even if I knew for certain that not a single Iraqi Jew left Iraq to go to Israel because of the bombs, I would still think this is a real indictment of the state of Israel, because Israel was created to provide a safe haven for Jews, not to be harassing and threatening Jews in other countries. By the way, he said, and I'll quote it for you, we did not leave Iraq because we were Zionist.

We left because we were no longer safe. He wrote that in his book, Three Worlds. Have you read that book? No, I have not read Three Worlds. Okay, well, you're using a lot of source from it. It's a book that he wrote about his migration. He's not the only book he wrote about this. But go on.

Have you read any of the other ones? Yes. Really? Which ones? The book that I'm referencing is from the Iron Wall. Three worlds, okay? He writes about his time in Iraq. He writes about his time in Israel. He writes about his time in the UK.

In three worlds, he writes for his own family, and he describes their departure from Iraq as traumatic, disorienting, and not voluntary. They were not proud Zionist migrations. They were leaving out of fear. He said that himself. Ethan. He said, we do not leave Iraq because we were Zionists.

We left because we were no longer safe. My friend, you are failing to comprehend a very important reason why I brought up Avi Shlame, by the way. Yeah, because you think he supports your claim, but he absolutely does not. What a surprise. Because you're a fucking liar. He absolutely done. Contend with what I said. Hold on.

No, no, no. Contend with what I'm saying. He said, we did not leave Iraq because we were Zionists. We left because we were no longer safe. Do you want to explain what he meant by that? Explain what he meant by saying, we didn't leave because we were Zionists. We left because we are no longer safe. Just answer it.

Explain to me. I can't wait to bring up, obviously, on the broadcast to make you fucking look like a dumb ass. I can't wait to. And now explain what he means by that. We do not leave Iraq because we were Zionists. We left because we were no longer safe. Because Iraqis are not Palestinian, you fucking moron, you racist piece of shit. What?

Because Iraq and the pan-abric nationalist movements that arise out of Zionist. You are out of your mind. It is not about Palestinian. Okay, so what did the Jews and Iraq have to do in fucking Israel? the ones who actually fucking you are so out of your mind. And then you're screaming and your

saying doesn't mean you're right. Racism. Okay. During the pan-Arabic nationalist movements as a indication for why or a comparison of the why Israel had to do the knock bar.

Do you believe that? You fucking racist piece of shit. Thanks, Hassan. Do you think Iraq? Do you think all Arabs have one fucking mind? Why the fuck were that Iraqi Jews leaving Iraq and fear?

Of course. Of course there were Iraqi Jews that left the rock of fear. I've never said that there were no Iraqi Jews. You want to call me racist? Why were Iraqi Jews leaving to go to Israel? Because you're a fucking moron. That's why they left. They left because I'm a fucking moron.

That Arabs are not one-minded. You coward. Answer the question. You're going to call me racist, but you won't answer. Why did the Iraqi Jews leave Iraq? There were numerous reasons. Because of anti-Semitism. They hated Jewish people that had nothing to do with Israel.

They were not forced. They lived there for thousands of years. They had homes that they were forced to abandon to go to Israel because there's the only fucking place they could. Why would Iraqis hate the Jews living there if they had nothing to do with Zionism or Israel? Why? Because settler colonialism.

That has nothing to do with them, you absolutely fucking dumb ass. What does that have to do with the Iraqi Jews? Do you think the Aliyahs were happening initially? So are you blaming them? Are you blaming the Iraqi Jews who had nothing to do with it? fuck is your point? What happened? Blaming the Iraqi Jews who had nothing to do with it?

What the fuck is your point? You call me racist. I'm not justifying the racism. I'm not justifying it. You're not comprehending my point. They left because that Iraq turned on them after 1948. You're materially wrong. You're a liar.

I have openly recognized that there were numerous reasons why other countries, I know, hard concept, all Arab, they all have the same. I know. Let's go over. I'm genius. their pan-arabic nationalist movements as states were being designed. In Egypt. Mostly by Western nations.

Let's talk facts. Ethan. And Egypt. You got fucking a chat GPT summary. Let me explain to you. Let me just not look like a dumb ass. Okay. Do you want to listen or do you just want to add home?

No, I want to tell you my perspective. No, you want to talk. That's the problem. You don't want to listen. You've talked plenty. You're supposed to be attacking my perspective. You called me racist, bro. The least you can do is shut the fuck up and listen to me talk.

Okay. The Iraqi Jews. left because they were in fear of anti-Semitism. They had nothing to do with Israel or Zionism. The Arabs in Iraq, the Iraqis, turned on them because of what happened in the war in 1948. That had nothing to do with them. So if you want to blame the Jews for their own anti-Semitism, you go right ahead, but that's racism. Let's talk about Egypt.

I also recognize that. No, you're not. You are absolutely not. In Egypt, 75,000 Jews were displaced, okay? Following anti-Jewish riots and bombs in Egypt. Is Egypt Palestinians? Is Egypt Palestinians? Is Iraq Palestinians?

Why were the Palestinians? It's got nothing to do with that. They were forced to go there by the Arab countries. They've offered the Jews that were expelled or left on their own. It's time to listen. These are completely separate countries. Nobody's justifying the NACBA. No one is justifying the NACPA.

I'm explaining. The relation is that Israel was created by Jews being displaced. The plight, the running of discrimination. And so that's the, that's the law. But I'm not justifying the NACPA. You should be justifying why Jews were chased out of their home country. No, I'm not, Ethan. Why they leave?

I'm not justifying that at all. Why do they leave? You think that because you want to drive home a point that this is antiseptic. Why did they leave? Their communities that have been there for 2,000 years, leaving their money, their businesses, their homes. Why did they leave? I don't think Iraq is Palestine. Do you think Egypt is Palestine?

Nobody's defending the NACBA. Do you think that all Arabs are operating on antiquated anti-Semitism? And if your answer is yes, why the fuck did Jews find the Ottoman Empire to be a safe haven? Where's the Ottoman Empire? Let's talk about the last hundred years. That's great. Yeah, the Ottoman Empire was great for the Jews. Let's talk about the last hundred years.

Let's talk about in 1948. Anti-Jewish riots broke out. Israel. After the war, Hassan, you need to shut the fuck up and listen, okay? After the war. After the war. Oh, bro. I did not expect it to be three hours in and then still going.

Why was that? did not expect this. Because of the Jews, the Jews brought it on themselves, following the establishment of the Israel. I never made that inference. What are you talking about? Of course you did. No, I did it. I did not make that inference at all.

Yeah, bro. So they left because Zionism. They're just building up. No, Ethan, if you were to listen to my words, and I used them very carefully, even though I get heated sometimes. Right. Okay. Egypt, Iraq, Morocco, each of these countries where Jews lived in the Meneer region all the way to the Levant, had different reasons.

Some of them were direct pogroms. Others were, others were, the colonial... You are a tangibly, historically proven liar. And I feel... I just said that some of them were because of pogroms.

You're not hearing anything I'm saying. You're so conditioned to say liar. The amount that left... The amount that left because of Zionism was minute. They were chased out. They were forced to become Zionists by their oppressors

because they had nowhere else to go. In Egypt, falling to establishment of Israel in May 1948. Ethan, none of these countries are Palestine. That is an insanely irrelevant point. A series of bombs targeted Jewish areas in Cairo between June and September. They killed 70 Jews, that's my point. Injured 200.

They confiscated Jewish-owned businesses and synagogues were attacked and destroyed. Okay. Ethan. Ethan. In 1956, the Sue has crisis. One is direct violence. Direct, violent. Direct planned violence and an.

extermination campaign. Approximately 25,000 Jews were expelled from Egypt. Expelled. 25,000 Jews were expelled. Other countries. So are you blaming them? You don't understand it. Are you blaming the Jews for being expelled from Egypt?

25,000 of them? No, Ethan. Okay. If you listen to my words, you would understand. So what is that I exaggerated about? 900,000 Jews were displaced. Because you are making a comparison with different countries. No, I'm not.

versus one singular force that planned an extermination. I don't know why it's lagging. Sorry about this. Verses one singular force that planned an extermination campaign. We'd be good. We'd be good. The cleansing campaign. Other countries are other countries and the reaction to it or other countries

and the previous hostility towards Jews have nothing to do with Palestinians. Of course not. That's why it's anti-Semitic. That's why it's anti-Semitic. anti-Semitic. It has nothing to do with Palestine, but they still got kicked out for being Jewish. That's literally what anti-Semitism. I don't think you understand. A thousand Jews in Egypt were arrested and detained without charges. The government seized 500 Jewish own businesses and froze bank accounts.

Expelled Jews were compelled to sign a declaration donating their property to the Egyptian state and were allowed to take only minimal personal belongings. In Algeria, 130,000 Jews were expelled. That's not Palestine. They're not, they're not, they're just, they're not. Okay, Israel, though. My point is very simple. They were expelled from their poems because of anti-Semitism. Mm-hmm.

Ethan, you used Egypt as an example. What is wrong about that? What is wrong with what is that they're expelled? They were literally controlled by English and French. By the English and French colonial occupations. What are you talking about? They were expelled because of anti-Semitism. What did I say wrong?

Oh, my God. Go ahead. Algeria was under French occupation. It is the design where the French occupied Algeria did not squash the attempts of expelling Jews. I'm not saying that there wasn't actually. Most Algerians were French citizens and went to France. That caused Jews to feel unsafe, Ethan. 95% of Algeria is 140,000 Jewish population.

Individual, often, sometimes Western powers and what they allowed in those. countries on the Palestinian plight when you make this comparison. That's what I'm saying. It's like saying the Armenian Genocide, right? The Turkish, the Ottoman Empire and the forces and the Ottoman genocide that they conducted a mass extermination campaign is because other fucking random countries where Armenia's were also getting equally dispelled. Turks were getting dispelled in other countries.

The pogrom happened as a direct result. the way that it was thought in the past, that it was a necessary voluntary migration. By the way, did you say, oh my God, bro. Did you say Anne Frank died before she could resist? I don't know if that was a fever dream. I'm saying that like, would you have an issue with Anne Frank if she actually was able to fight? I just thought it was an insane thing to say. I'm not trying to litigate it.

And Tripoli, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What's your point? Amid post-war unrest. Synagogues were burnt. Jewish institutions were shut down. What's your point about Anne Frank? Why are you trying to deflect away from what I'm saying here? No, I just think that statement was insane.

The Sixth Day War backlash. In 1967, another Israel victory. My question for you was, Jews communities got mob. Six thousand Jews were evacuated, homes were destroyed, synagogues were burned. In Morocco, 250,000 Jews were expelled. Anti-Jewish riots broke out in 1948. You'll notice most of these expelar programs are happening in 1948. as a direct result of the war.

The Arabs turned on their Jewish populance out of anti-Semitism, period, point blank. June 7 to 8, 1948, in northeastern Morocco, following the Declaration of State of Independence, the State of Israel on May 14, 1948, anti-Jewish rights erupted in the town of Gerada. These towns were insignificant transit points

for Moroccan Jews seeking to immigrate. 47 Jews were killed, many were injured, Jewish homes and businesses were looted and destroyed, In 1950, 1960, harassment and immigrate, the year following 1948 riot, Moroccan Jews faced increased pressure. These factors contributed to significant immigration of Jews from Morocco. Immigration to Israel was banned in 1959, but before that, 274,000 Moroccan Jews immigrated primarily to Israel. Yemen and Yemen.

Remember when you said you weren't a Zionist? Remember when you said you weren't a Zionist? These are direct Zionist talking points. This is historical facts, literally spread by your very own, Avis Schlym, who if I'll query back to you, said, we didn't leave because we were Zionist. We did not leave because we were Zionist. We left because we were afraid. It's not that it was appropriate, Ethan. That's the difference.

If you asked Avishlame whether it is comparable to say the Nakhpa, who said, 900,000 Jews. Who said? I'm not defending the Nakhvah. From a separate countries, he would laugh at you. Your failure. Do you not understand. acknowledge the trauma of both groups is the reason why you are

a radical fucking propagandist liar. Both trauma needs to be acknowledged by both groups. There's two things that need to be true for this ever to be resolved peacefully. You're right. I'm sorry. Israel should keep doing a genocide. Israel is right to have secure borders. As long as you ignore that, there will always

be war. Palestinians will always die and you will continue to make money from it. Operation Magic Carpet. Jews were secretly airlifted to Israel due to rising hostility. It's so interesting. The BELO did recognize that As a matter of fact. The BLO did recognize that.

And they wanted those countries to actually do a right to return for all Jews. Why did Israel stop that from happening, Ethan? Oh my God. Zionism is the problem here? Avi Schleim said quote. Oh, what happened? They didn't fucking send you that clip.

They didn't send you that's a piece of information. Dude, Avi Shlim. Yes or are the people that don't care about Jewish blight actually did see the wrongdoing that happened to the Jews. And wanted to be able to go back and do a right to return if they wanted to do so. into their nation of origin. I'm talking about the flights, bro.

And yet Israel was the one who did you want that to happen. Why is that the case, Ethan? No, you deny the flight. You deny the trauma. I don't deny the trauma. I think he kind of has been. You've tried to say that they left by choice. That is an gross historical inaccuracy.

No, there are Jews that left by choice. Yes, some did. Of the 900,000, the vast majority left because they were afraid. Because they were being discriminated against. That is a historical fact. Six Day War aftermath. Have you ever actually listened to a clip of me talking about this? Unfortunately, probably, yeah.

What? Oh my God, you have no idea what my perspective on this is. You're just fucking yelling at nothing. Well, what are you doing right now? What are you wasting time for, buddy? This is the reason why you're repeating shit that I have not thought of the shit that I don't actually believe. Bro, you are continually, okay, not acknowledging the trauma of Middle East St. You characterize it like they left.

Have you ever listened? Yes, I've seen it. Have you ever listened to anything that's not 30 seconds long? That's so ironic that you're saying that as you miss quote on the slime. He said he fled because he was afraid and not because of the clip. Over and over again. Here we go. Here we go.

Let's go. Let's get it. But everyone's still going to think you're a fucking loser. Here's the clip. I'm sorry. Just shut up and listen. If you want to hear my perspective. I'm shutting up and listening to you.

All right. All right. Let's listen. For the Iraqi Jews. Because when anti-Semitism increases in the West, Israel sees that as a complementary tool to a Zionist project bringing either all Jews to Israel or at least make Jews in the Western world

that are outside of Israel, Jews in diaspora, support Israel because it gives additional credence to the argument, it gives additional credence to the argument that no Jew is ever safe if there is no Jewish state. That is the underpinning of the Zionist project in general. Well, it sure seemed like they weren't safe in those other places. Why did you not mention the anti-Semitism? You exclusively talk about Zionism being the reason for forcing them out. Why do you deny that they were expelled by force the vast majority of them?

Ethan, if you think that that is the entirety of my perspective on this matter, illuminate me. You need to, you please need to stop talking and listen to the amount of times that I've talked about this. Just explain yourself. I'm trying. I just watched a clip of you being pretty dismissive about the flight. And by the way, you've done it this whole time. You say that Zionism was the main force.

No, I'm dismissive about the aspect that this is beneficial to the Zionist project across the board. Because Israel wants all Jews to be constantly fucking terrified in any other country that's not Israel. So that they can actually go and either support Israel if they're not in Israel or just move to Israel. That is the entire point. That is what Jabotinsky wanted. that is what Herzl wanted, and that is precisely what Benjamin Netanyahu wants as well. So in terms of my explanation, or what I come across is dismissive, is precisely the role that Israel itself played in this process.

Which was a mutually beneficial relationship. Minuscule. Antisemitic. Minuscule. What you failed to acknowledge is that the Jews were forced to become Zionists, not by choice, but by necessity. Because the Arab countries turned on them after the war and forced them to go to the only state to arrive at, which is that it's a necessity for Israel to exist.

Seems like that's true. Your position is, right? No, they fuck. It's not about what was allowed or not. The Arabs created a million Zionists because they're anti-Semitic. After the war of 1948 and fucking Arab national, the rise of Arab nationalism. Do you deny that? You brought up the, you brought up Morocco.

Do you deny what I just said? Wait, say it again. I wasn't listening. What were you? Say it again. I wasn't listening. 9,000, 900,000 Jews, approximately. ultimately, 7 to 900,000, were forced to become Zionist, not by choice, but by, because they were forced out.

The vast majority went to, fucking Arabs. The Arab, the anti-Semitic Arabs. There you go. There you go. What? That's my point. Are you, are you okay? I arrest my case.

Okay, well, I mean, you can. No, you're too fucking delusional to realize what kind of racist nonsense you're fucking tropeying on. That was my entire point. It's historic. I mean, it's historical. You don't know anything of what you're talking about. Avi Shlym, once again, because you don't want to contend. You like to expuse him when it's convenient. He left, not by, because they were Zionists.

They left because they were afraid. Fucking Arabs. What was Abby Shlein, by the way? Yeah, he was an Arab Jew. They didn't see him that way. They kicked his ass out. I'm not saying fucking Arabs. There's a reason for it.

There was a rise in Arab nationalism following the 1948 war. They blamed their own Jewish populace for what Israel did. That's anti-Semitism. They had nothing to do. Do you think they? Iraqi Jews left their 2,000-year-old communities, left their businesses, left their houses just because they wanted to go to Israel? Are you fucking mad?

You... Even. You denied. Remember a while back I tweeted and you got really mad when I said that there's a double standard between Islamophobia and anti-semitism? There's absolutely a double standard and you exhibit in my phone. You're participating in it right now without even recognizing that you're doing so. I mean, I'm just telling you literally what happened.

It's just historical racism. All Arabs are not responsible. Do people never get racist? Do people never be right? I'm explaining why. I'm not blaming anyone, but I'm just explaining why. After the 1948 war, the rise of Arab nationalism, created a lot of anti-Semitism,

and that's why the vast majority of the Jews, the 900,000 of them, were forced to immigrate. That's a fact. That is a historical fact. Ethan, you're so, I'm sorry to say this. And I don't know if your audience gets this as well, but what you just said earlier, is not an accurate

reflection of history. How do you know that? How do you know that? You are shifting the blame over it absolutely was the blame of the Arabs. At a time when every single one of these Arab countries Absolutely.

Who has kicked them out? Their own version of Pan-Arabic nationalism. Half of them were already still controlled, by the way, by fucking European colonial powers like Mishi Frenz. That was literally just in Tunisia. The Moroccan expulsion program.

And you're blaming, you're using that as a, as a, similarity between the planned expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians. The details are different, but you're denying, like, once again, you're still not disproving me. What did I say that is, it's hilariously racist and wrong? Anti-German racism. Don't make an analogy.

It's like pointing to anti-German racism happening. I don't need an analogy. I need facts from you. Why am I wrong? It's as though you are pointing to anti-German racism happening during the fucking German conquest. Tell me a fact. What? Right? That proves that I'm wrong.

That the vast majority of Jews fled because of anti-Semitism in the Arab states. Oh, really? It's not what you're saying. So I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't say anything wrong, but I'm racist. It's the idea that all Arabs are fucking one-minded. Nobody said that.

Who said that? And have something to do with Palestinians in general. Yes, I never said that there wasn't any fucking anti-Jewish sentiment that also. that also... Were the vast majority of Jews, did they leave because of anti-Semitism or Zionism? The vast majority of Jews regardless of whether or not

for anti-Semitism or Zionist purposes is not comparable to the knockbook. You're not answering. Did they leave because of anti-S? That's not a thousand-year-old argument. That's got nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm not comparing them.

And by the best part about it, they're both... It will be a 3,000-year-old argument. It would seem as though it was a much... larger crime that you ignore the trauma of the fact that you want to tell that people in Israel to go back to where they came from this is where they're from they were forced to go to is they could they could right now they could go tomorrow really the iraqi jews can go back to their home tomorrow the Egyptian Jews could go back to their homes tomorrow absolutely that is insane you're fucking out of your mind okay how tell me how do the Jews go back to their

want to and I understand why they wouldn't want to because I'm not no no they were insane They want to. Why would the- How? How would they go back and reclaim their lost assets, their lost property? There were literally different teams designed at this. And by the way, how did they become citizens? At different points throughout, at different points throughout this 76-year-long

drawn-out apartheid structure, there were numerous instances where, yes, there was a right to return offered to Jews. and even restitution or the homes that they lost in the process. So yes, you're wrong. You simply don't know the facts. You are wrong. You won't say what fact I'm getting wrong. I just told you.

Did the vast majority of Jews immigrate to Israel following 1948 because of Zionism or because of anti-Semitism? No, no, no, no, no, don't run away from this point. Answer the fucking question. I don't discount anti-Semitism as a direct consequence

of Pan-Arabic nationalism that took place in numerous. countries. I have issues with your comparison. Okay? Who's comparing? You keep saying that. I'm not talking about knockoff. You brought that up deliberately in your Jewish play. And now really and deliberately to say more Jews were displaced than Palestinians were. I think that's an interesting fact that you clearly don't fucking ever want to mention because it really messes up your beautiful little narrative.

So what? Why did you, why did you, why did you bring that fact up right after you talked about the 1948 war? Because the point is that two people were traumatized. There was two people that were traumatized. There was two people that were displaced unfairly. It was the Palestinians and it was the Middle Eastern Jews. They both have trauma. You failed to acknowledge one group.

You just shit on the other one. I, unlike you, acknowledge both groups. I acknowledge both groups. You're all lives mattering the knockba. What? That isn't. That's what you're doing. And you're also attributing, you're attributing.

How? How am I doing that? You're attributing anti-Semitic violence in random, in different countries. At the same time following 1948, pan-Arab nationalism, you said that yourself. These five Arab countries were defeated in 1948, and they turned super fucking anti-Semitic as a result. They became ultra-nationalists, Arabs, it became popular. As Israel declared independence, they said, fuck, no, we don't want this country here. And, yeah, they all became anti-Semitic.

That's a historical fact that you deny. You also fail to recognize that Iraqi Jews have been allowed to return to our country. Iraq and there have been numerous instances where there's were given an opportunity how many Jews live in Iraq? How many Jews live in Iraq? What? How many Jewish people?

I don't know. I think it's zero right now, but they can. How many Jews live in the Middle East outside of Israel? But nobody took it? Virtually not. Where'd they go? If it was so fucking great for them. Why would Iraqi Jews not want to go to Iraq you think right now?

Zero Jews. Almost virtually zero Jews live outside of Israel in the Middle East. Why is that? You don't think that none of them wanted to fucking stay at home? I don't know. Maybe because there was,

maybe because there was a religious ethno-s supremacist state that was backed by a lot of western states as a direct-the-stabilizer in the fucking region. That you're discredited. Mass migration happening,

especially, of course, mass migration happening, and then in the aftermath of Holocaust with a one-to-in Afghanistan, more refugees coming in. There's one-two in Afghanistan. It was a much more viable state for them. Here's the problem.

The viability of said state, of course, is partially a consequence of the other countries and the hostility. You don't want to blame the Arabs. This in and of itself, this in and of itself, is the heart of the problem. Because people conflate Zionism with Judaism. And that's what the Arabs did when they kicked them all out. I know.

And I don't think it's appropriate. And so why are you blaming the Zionists and not the fucking Arabs for being racist? Why do you deny the Jewish trauma? Why do you deny the 900,000 traumatized Jews that were forced, including, by the way, what you, keep ignoring. Avi Schlam. Avi Schlym said we didn't leave Iraq because we were Zionists. We left because we were afraid. Are you hearing that?

Ethan, Ethan, do you blame the English for the Holocaust? What? No. Who did the Holocaust, Ethan? just fucking make your point I'm not playing this this silly game come on who did the Holocaust just say it make your point dude

I'm not I'm not a fucking why not just I'm asking you a question is a super simple question Avi Schleim said we left Iraq I ask you who who was responsible for the Holocaust

why would I answer such a stupid rhetorical question just make your point but you know the answer to this right like come on what are you looking at on your fucking computer like what which country is responsible for the Holocaust Anytime you want to make your point. I would appreciate it.

I would appreciate if you... What is happening? Dude. When you, you already... Okay, here, whatever. I would appreciate if you would just listen to one thing I would say. You already said that it wasn't the English, right? It's not the responsibility of the British that the Holocaust happened.

Yeah. Right? You understand that. You recognize that. Right. Well, I would say the nation most directly guilty for the Holocaust was probably Nazi Germany. Okay. Did you just read that from your laptop? No, I'm eloquent. I'm like, you're dumbass.

I mean, yes, it is. Okay. Notice how you don't actually put every single fucking country. There was plenty of anti-Semitism in England, too. Notice how you don't fucking say all Europe. All of Europe is responsible with the Holocaust. But you say all Arabs? Okay. The point is, there's no Jews in the Middle East.

None. The anti-Semitic. Can you listen to one thing? have one thing important to say that I really want you just to listen to, okay? What? Avi Shline said they did not leave Iraq because they were Zionists. They left because they were afraid. Yes.

You are denying his family's trauma. You are blaming his family's trauma on Zionists. Will you talk to him about this? Sure. I mean, he's going to agree with me. I read it from his fucking book. If you're so confident in everything, if you're so confident in all of this, okay, that would be great.

All right. Perfect. Okay. So I'll listen, I'll debate all these people instead of you. I have time. Unfortunately, like I said, it's getting late. So I just want to make one last point before we go, which is that always remember, Hassan,

that when people criticize me, I watch it on my stream by myself live on like a bitch-made coward like yourself, who needs someone to hold your hand and make all the excuses in the world to avoid any single criticism, any response. You, my friend, are a coward, and I am the fucking legend. that responded to it live with zero fucking

with zero hesitation but you know why? Because I'm not a liar I don't have to think about the shit that I say and justify it you lie that's why you can't do it because you'll get caught in those lies I wait our endeavor made you look good then congratulations you don't think it was good that I read you don't think that it was

a supreme comp yeah we'll do a poll at the end okay guys it'll work give it a second look good, then congratulations. You don't think it was good that I read, you don't think that it was a supreme confidence that I responded to it immediately

live? Ethan, you took you four months to actually entertain the notion of having a conversation with me. I don't give a fuck about watching YouTube videos. I don't know why you think that I'm afraid of watching your fucking YouTube videos. 11 hate videos. I've watched this hero about you, Hassan. Do you want

to actually discuss who's the coward? You made the hate videos, dumbass! Your fucking community is the hate community. Why the fuck would you have to watch hate videos or whatever? You are the one who was doing it. When criticism comes, I confront it. Well, thank you for backtracking on at least seven of the point. Maybe you should go through the context puke one more time so we can continue.

If you want to watch it. We can continue this conversation later. Listen, if you want to watch it. Through all the other dumb shit that you said in it, it's not because I'm afraid. It's because you were crying. No, it is definitely because you're afraid. Why is it you didn't pull it? Why is it you love Bananaana?

But when he makes a video criticizing you, You say I'm not watching that. Because I think it's, you want to know why? Because I think it's fucking unproductive to... To watch criticism of me, you fucking coward? What are you saying? You're fucking presenting yourself and developing an audience that is literally, without even realizing it, because they are only drama obsessed,

without realizing it, they're literally positioning themselves to be pro-Israel. They'll be pro-Israel talking points. Yes, that is the only reason why I started talking about you. Because you went on a fucking deplatforming campaign. Why did you not watch Bad Epanis video about you? I'll watch over it. You did 110 Instagram stories on me, Ethan, since January 31st, only 25.

It was so unhinged that you didn't even recognize who you at the time. You need to at least admit that it's reciprocal. I am not upset. You made 24 hours of nonstop content, bro. Even 24 hours in the last two months. Just on your own personal Instagram stories. We've talked about each other equally as much, bro. January 30th, 2025, 110 stories.

It was so insane. You didn't believe it. Even if that's... You don't even believe your own mania. Passan, please. To be fair, he never showed proof of. You talked about me, 24 minutes a day,

every day, seven days a week for 60 days. Does that sound fucking reasonable? After you present yourself as a fucking significant force trying to trying to literally de-platform Pro-Palestian voices.

How much time you think it makes an Instagram story? That's why. That's not, like, you literally... Oh, my God. You watch a bad empenado of you about yourself. Your own producer. were begging you to stop talking about me so much so that you had to set up a separate war room where you only talked about me and that's what happened right because i know it's not

different war went even we get it my fans are fine bro don't worry about my fans higher time the entire time you frame this as though it's petty fucking drama it's not petty drama you are deeply anti-semitic hateful fucking propagandist liar and it only took place and it only took you now to fucking openly say to 10 toes down that it is a genocide, but also... I've said that consistently for years. Liar. Ethan, you don't want anyone

to resist against genocide. It is a fucking untenable position. Resist against... So pathetic, bro. And you constantly keep smearing me as a fucking anti-in-in-wise. At a time when the Trump administration is blackbacking people. Yeah, that's bad happening. Don't call me out.

I hope they... That's what you're doing. Dude, how do you not understand that you are playing a formative role when you don't talk about Mahmoud Khalil? Just remember everybody watching. When you don't talk about the masturbation of God. By the way, I advocated for Kamala to get elected. What'd you do? Uh-oh.

I told people to vote for Kamala. What'd you do? Oh. No, seriously. What'd you do? Did you? Congratulations. Do you think Kamala and Trump would have been equally bad?

I won't change anything from Joe Biden's policies. Harris. It's not Joe Biden, it's Kamala Harris. Not only did I go to the DNC, but I actually offered some pretty fucking valuable criticism. They didn't listen to, unfortunately. And because they didn't listen to that valuable criticism, they lost. Why have you lied about me voting for Jill Stein, by the way?

Can we talk about that? I don't know. What do you keep saying? I voted for Jill Stein. Who did you vote for? Countless hours shitting on Jill Stein. I said, I think you did. Not to vote for Trump.

I said that Donald Trump is significantly worse than Kamala Harris. And I've also on top of that. There's a son vote for Donald Trump. Over and over and over again. But for some weird reason, despite the fact that I voted live, mind you, and you kept lying to your audience. And you kept lying to your audience. And you kept making it seem as though I didn't even fucking vote or I urge people not to vote. There's never been a moment where I said do not vote for.

I voted for Kamala Harris. You got a problem? I got no problem, but I think there's people in your audience that would. You don't have a problem with that. Why didn't you endorse her then? Why the fuck do you keep saying I voted for Jill Stein? I said, I think because you didn't say who you voted for. Oh, you think.

It's an opinion. you think. Oh, you don't give a fuck, dude. It doesn't matter who I vote for anyway. You're out of your fucking mind. I've literally, I did not endorse Kamala Harris, and I will never endorse Kamala Harris, and I did not endorse Joe Biden. And now Trump's president. Because you want to know why? Because you want to know why. Trump's building the Riviera in Gaza Strip. And guess what? You're fucking love that shit because you get to keep making content about it and you get to keep making videos and you get, you guarantee there will never be peace there because you won't acknowledge the trauma of both sides. Two things must always be true.

How much content have you made about Donald Trump? How much content have you made about fucking Donald Trump? You literally defended his terrorist regime. What the fuck are you talking about? I can apologize. Because you're an embarrassing figure. You can't fathom. Listen to me.

Listen to me. You can't fathom that somebody says something wrong and come back into politics. And all of the producers or all the people that are giving you fucking talking points is not going to make you come across this smart in this process. Please, for your own mental sanity, stop trying to do this. You are basically brainbreaking a shit ton of people into idiotic positions. You clearly don't care about people who have actually voted for Donald Trump. Is that what he saying?

With you're allegiance to people who have literally directly voted for Donald Trump. Who's my allegiance to? What do you mean? You have fucking Trump supporters that you're friends with. Like Steinie in general. When I have a conversation with him, I'm actually directly fucking addressing some of the shit. Did you watch my interview with him? You fucking dip shit.

Our entire conversation was me arguing with him and telling him like Trump's bad and why transphobia is bad. You are insanely incompetent. You're playing poker with people who fucking voted for Donald Trump. You were just on Nelks. You were just on Siney's podcast, you hypocrite. Is not actually Trump coded. I spent hours shitting on Siney. You're doing a podcast to interview of your Trump.

Has been a valuable figure shitting on me this entire time. And that's the only reason why you act like he's not that significant of a force. That's it. When did I say that? You will take help from anyone and everyone. And this man is all written by destiny. Please, you claim to care. You claim to care.

about rape and you're hyping up a dude who has a who has a segment on a show called ultimate rape review the reason why that's it's hyping up that dude is because you don't give a fuck all you care about is petty drama this is your only content stop doing petty drama content shut the fuck up about politics and get back to goofs and gaffs and it will be fine people will forget that you have behaved in this way but you don't want to do that it's become a fucking personal agenda for you that people don't like you it must be anti-semitism no they don't like you it's a hallucinations you're talking about and you have to be babyed by goddamn producers as a 40-year-old adult. That's the reason why people don't like it.

Very good. Very good. Now, why don't you watch Benin Pan Amin's videos about you? I heard it because he's pro-Palestine and I don't give a fuck about. He was criticizing you. Oh, you're such a cowardice on it. It's unbelievable. All right, very good. I'm out of my depth. I shouldn't talk about the movement. And if you were pro-Palestine, I would never talk about you either. That's the real reason. Oh.

Can you please contend with the Avi Shlime quote that they left, not because of Zionism, but because of they were afraid? Dude, come on, come on, come on. Enough, enough. Have Avis Shlime on the show. Talk to him about it, okay? Maybe it'll go down exactly like you thought with Sam Cedar. Man. How did it go with Sam Cedar?

I think if anything, Sam kind of embarrassed himself. I genuinely do. I hate to say it because I like Sam. A 40-year-old man who needs a fucking button when he has like a little. moment. Did I bite him? Is actually the one who's talking about Sam Cedar embarrassing himself. Did I? He lowered himself to talk to you man to man and try to explain to what's going on.

That's what you asked for. Why would you want to lower his status? I wanted to lower his status. I thought you could be convinced. I didn't realize you were this fucking drama obsessed. Drama obsessed. We had an argument about fucking South Africa apartheid. What's drama about that?

What? You're fucking, dude. Listen, enjoy. what you said. What did you say? It doesn't matter. Just remember, when it comes to criticism, I watch it. You ignore it. It's so important. Nassum Mandela was actually peaceful because you're going to clipchimp the fucking shit that Loner Box told you.

Why was it? What? The violent things that the A&C did were in the Truth and Reconciliation Committee attributed to How many civilians died in 20 years? In the ANC, during the A&C's. It was like 200, I think. Less than 100. How many Hamas? How many people did Hamas kill on the one day

Nelson Mandela, which I'll read you a quote from his trial. Are you comparing the apartheid structure in South Africa to 76 years of colonial occupation?

Don't you do that all the time? No. You call it apartheid all the time. And the militancy has gotten far more radical as a direct consequence of Israel becoming far more radical because as I told you

and you seemingly understood when we first had this conversation after October 7, that the maintenance of an apartheid is an inherently violent endeavor. And as a matter of fact, the resistance to set apartheid is only going to get worse and worse as time moves on. This is precisely the reason why the first Intifah was caught with stone. You're just bringing random shit up, bro. And the second Intifada in the aftermath of horrific acts of terror against Palestinians who were at a mosque praying. I actually have facts.

I have a historical quote. I'm not just grandstanding. Mandela, from his trial in 1960, said, and I quote, there were four forms of violence that were possible. One was sabotage. One was guerrilla warfare. One was terrorism. And then there was open revolution.

We chose to adopt the first method as it exhausted it and exhausted it before taking any other decision. In light of our political background, the choice was a logical one. Sabotaged did not involve loss of life. And it offered the best hope for future race relations. bitterness would be kept minimum. And if a policy bore fruit, democratic government could become a reality.

This is what we felt at the time, and this is what we said in our manifesto. We have always sought to achieve liberation without bloodshed and civil clash. We hope, even at this late hour, that our first actions will awaken everyone to the realization that the disastrous situation which the nationalist policy is leading.

We hope that we will bring the government and its supporters to their senses before us too late, so that both the government and its policies can be changed before matters reached the desperate state of war. Notice how the end part of that is getting ready for rebellion. Did they? I feel like with...

Did they? Yeah, because the apartheid structure dissolved as a direct consequence of pressure campaigns and also militancy, which Nelson Mandela, not once, but twice was presented with the option of having a sentence commuted, which you refuse to do. They said,

principle, bro. On principle. He said, I will not remain in jail because a prisoner can't negotiate. A prisoner can't decide. He said no. In both circumstances, he refused on principle. Less than 100 people died during the 20-year period. Anyone that attacked civilians, they were 20 minutes ago when they said this is the last point. The ANC repeatedly apologized and disavowed violence against civilians. When did they do that? Less than 100 civilians died. It was crazy. Hamas killed a thousand civilians on one fucking day. A thousand civilians. Yeah.

The poor civilian Israeli soldiers that died in their military bases. No. It's talking about October 7th. 300. What do you mean I'm so dumb? Okay. How many civilians died? I believe the total number of casualties in October 7 was 1200.

Yeah. With 800 being civilians, which is completely unacceptable. Oh my God. I'm off by 100. I was off by 100. Oh my God. God, dude. I can't believe the historical inaccuracies. Well, you're the one who's bringing up numbers here, Ethan.

And yes, I do think it's important to recognize something here that you are seemingly failing to recognize. Nelson Mandela was thrown in prison because he went and trained with the FLN in Algeria. The reason why he kept, he stayed in fucking prison was because he refused this about violence. Because he understood that as long as people revolution is impossible. I never said he's a pacifist. I never said he's a pacifist. And violent revolution they did do. You know what's funny?

It's a revolution to kill civilians. Intentionally. In terms of the death and destruction on the apartheid structure, by the way, it is incomprehensible to compare that to Israel's violence against the Palestinians. Was Nelson Mandela a Zionist? And by the way, that's not my assessment. What Israel has done to the Palestinians for the past 76 years is infinitely worse. Well, let's ask someone.

My assessment, by the way. That is the assessment of Mandela. And for all the, you know, for all of the moments that he was able to fucking see. You think Mandela said what's happening is worse than what we went through? That's bullshit. Why would he say that? That's on your liar. Why would he say that?

Because it's true, Ethan. That's why. Did you do, is Nelson Mandela a Zionist? Yes, Lance de Man, are you going to say in 1999, he said Israel has a legal right to exist. More than that. He said more than that. He said more than that. Remember that you called this guy a neo-Nazi not fit to be a dog-catch.

sure. That's what you said about Nelson Mandela. What are you talking about? What? Whoa. And it's going to put a million different points. The right of Israel to exist as a state legal.

We have stood quite openly and firmly for the right of that state to exist with insecure borders. You disagree with that statement? Does Israel is a right to exist?

Not on the way that it currently does. With the insecure borders. Hold on. Hold on. Coward. Do you know what he says after that clip? Yeah, that he also thinks that Palestinians also need to be acknowledged, which, by the way, is my fucking point. No, no, no, no, not that.

Palestinian liberation and Israeli borders are two sides of the same coin. No. He didn't just say Palestinians also need to be acknowledged. He says that if peaceful means of coexistence is impossible, then violence is inevitable, Ethan. Why did you clip that out of the fucking clipchimp? Because it's irrelevant. Did you say I clipchimp Nelson Mandela?

Yes, you literally did. You cut him out of context. No, I did. He's a scientist. What do you mean? Like, like, um, he's talking philosophically. He's talking philosophically. He's just did.

He's irrelevant. We're having a conversation about Nelson Mandela's. And whether or not he actually believes in violence, whether or not he actually believes in violence, you have said time and time again that he was a peaceful dove. He's never actually done any violence or whoever. There are numerous instances on, there are numerous instances. Inevitability of philosophical warning is not an endorsement.

He was speaking as a warning to them, which was apt. Brother, that is insane. What? Nelson Mandela was literally on a terror wash of this is 2008. Who gives a fuck? What do you mean, who gives a fuck? You like to use the terrorism watches when you're talking about the Houthis, or you like to use the terrorist washes when you talk about Hezbole and Hamas.

I mean, I gave you specific examples of why those organizations are bad. Who do you think that was a, who do you think that was a, who do you think that was a who do you think the philosophical point that he was making the guy who was in prison for violent resistance by the way who trained in militants you mean sabotage for rebellion by the way sabotage and give you government infrastructure do you think that was a warning to do you think that was a warning to the fact that you are so willing Nelson mandela has time and time again also repeated that no one is free until Palestine is free that same Nelson mandela you're trying to fucking use in this situation has said that this is a united shrugly. This is a united shrillian

struggle that Israel's actions against the Palestinians are abhorrent, that it is akin to what they have experienced in apartheist South Africa, if not worse. So the idea that you can make this comparison because you think this is crazy, the fucking argument is so stupid. The only way you can do that is by cutting it out of context. No, I just explained why. I want Palestine to be free. But you know what? I don't think Hamas is furthering that goal. I think Hamas is counterproductive. They're making it worse. They're causing it to be inevitable. You refuse to. Why are they making it worse? refuse to criticize them, which is pathetic. Unlike me, I'm willing to criticize

the Israeli government. I'm willing to come to terms with the cruel reality. Hamas. Walk through it. Why are they making it worse? Because they're killing civilians. What was the fucking objective there on October 7th, genius? Kidnapping, which by the way, I don't even agree

with, which is the international human rights a violation. But kidnapping is really soldiers, really civilians to make to draw out concessions. And what part about that was slaughtering fucking families in their homes? That sounds like a pretty bad of real tactics.

You know this already. We're not relitigating this over and over again. I'm just saying. Hamas is a bunch of fucking... 17 months of fucking genocide, okay? What do you think? What do you think? One day you're going to watch a video response I make.

One day. Probably not when you apologize for all the fucking harm that you've done. For sure. All right. Yeah. Listen. I have the rest of the clip that you clipchip,

by the way. If you want to hear his actual fucking full-fleshed opinion, I'm not hiding from it. I literally acknowledge what he said. I don't care. So why did you say that he was actually a, why did you say that he was actually a peaceful resistance type of guy? The point was that he said Israel had the right to exist.

You said it on numerous occasions before someone told you. No, actually, here's a better way to massage that narrative. I said he uses violent means such as sabotage. He didn't kill civilians. That's what I said. Will you stop talking if I show you numerous instances where you have said Nelson Mandela was peaceful. I'm not going to, you get those together, okay?

I mean, there's... You're going to do great. You're going to do great. Yeah, go ahead and grab those. You literally said it was a pacifist. I never said Nelson Mandela was a pacifist. That is an insane lie. You said it to Sam Cedar two days ago.

So you got to watch that back because you're, once again, a liar. You have no problem lying. You have no problem saying that I work with the ADL without any evidence. You fucking have no problem discrediting the suffering of Jewish refugees. is a pacifist. Okay, well, prove it. And the full quote, by the way, of Nelson Mandela is from when he visited Gaza in 1999 that I was referring to, choose peace rather than confrontation, except in cases where we cannot move forward.

Then if the only ongoing is violence, we will use violence. Does that sound like a pacifist to you? I meant that he doesn't, he didn't kill civilians. His approach is vastly different than what Hamas is doing. Do you think Nelson Mandela would like what the Houthis are doing? I don't know, let's fucking dig him out of his grave and ask him. That's kind of weird because, I mean, you said he was doing a peaceful means. Do I think Nelson Mandela would be in favor of kidnapping 10 civilians?

No, of course not. Yes, he would. 100% he would. While you're busy putting words in a dead man's mouth. 100% he would. What are you talking about? Nelson Mandela bombed the fucking church or shit. What are you talking about?

Nelson Bell, not Nelson. He didn't fuck with civilians, bro. That was his thing. He wanted to be as peaceful as possible because he knew that if he killed. that if he killed and targeted civilians, it would make reunification impossible. You're right. Israel's doing it genocide because

Palestinians are not resisting in the appropriate ways. Less than 100 civilians died in 20-year period. I mean, what do you want more than that? Hamas killed 1,000 or 900, so sorry. 800? I am so, 800. You're right. You're right. You know what? That's bad.

That's it. There's only 800. Now, what you, again, fail to, what you again, fail to recognize is, of course, the length. And not only that, but also the resistance against apartheid South Africa included military resistance on top of that. But that's not even my point here, okay?

My point is that the apartheid in South Africa and the resistance against it was a far shorter period with far less casualties on the South African side as opposed to Israel's complete ethnic cleansing campaign that has... Okay. That has started now, but even before it's ethnic cleansing campaign, but then don't complain, don't compare how much to Nelson Mandela.

Because the situation is far worse, Ethan. Then why? Because Israel has killed every Nelson Mandela. Israel has, Israel would have probably killed Nelson Mandela if they had the opportunity to do so. I'm sure. They would have done everything bad that's ever happened in the world. Wait, do you know why I said that? No, no, don't look at your laptop.

Do you know I said that? Let me guess. I don't tell me no no go ahead just throw up a guess all right listen it's 5 o'clock I'm not doing this okay you can tell me or you can not I'll stand here if you want to tell me but I'm not going to sit here

and play rhetorical games Israel was aligned with South Africa the apartheid government yeah I know they made nuclear bombs with them it's horrible yeah what's that have to do with anything fuck head when did I defend that

well they're both apartheids so yeah and when did I deny that all right listen it's 5 o'clock like I said I have a family to go to him I have three kids and wife and I know that you have a fucking cool ass race car bed to sleep in and uh i hope you enjoy that okay man thank you have a good one i hope this was productive dan he needs you more than you need him stop babying this man please he needs you more than you need him stop babying

well i know that's true but i don't baby him come on okay all right you want to target the crew more you want to you're not targeting the crew i'm not targeting the crew for my own it's fine it's fine i have a tremendous amount of respect for the crew. Bad impaneda called A.B. A house slave. What? Bad impanato called A. B. A house slave. Yeah, he's wrong. What the fuck do you want?

Okay, well, you watch this video is a lot. Why are you bringing up bad empanata? Do what you think I agree with everything he says? No, of course not. You endorse him. Ethan. All right, we got to go. You promote him all the time. That's a fact. I agree with that I think are very well thought out. All right, listen, stop being a coward and watch some fair criticism.

Please, stop being a coward and just watch some criticism. It will prove that you are not afraid. Yeah. This was pretty productive, you know, having this conversation, I agree. I think it was great. I actually do. I think you expose yourself deeply a few times here.

And I think we'll have to wait and see obviously how this pans out. But I do think it was productive to show just kind of your de blatant overt, you know, anti-Semitism. Maybe I will watch the context puke. Yes, please. And then we can talk about it if you want. Maybe I will watch a context puke live as a matter of fact. It's going to be an expansion.

I like that. I like that this is what it's come to where having a face-to-face conversation is, is less, it's somehow less. Less fucking is more cowardly than like actually watching a YouTube video that you made. It is because what's cowardly is you fucking constantly crying and refusing to actually look for context and putting together a, putting together shit that you saw in fucking subreddits to be like, this is my argument. I'm destroying him.

Watch it and tear it up and show how out of course. context it was. I'd love that. Don't worry. Maybe. Maybe I'll actually do that to fundraise for the charities that you are actively targeting by trying to undermine and celebrate with Creator Clash 3, which is, you know, I don't know if you know this, but the last year they lost $250,000. To be charitable, you actually have to give money to charity. You fucking hate everybody that, everybody that is even lightly fucking criticized you or stayed out of your garage out of your

Why is that I didn't like Ian's video? No, dude. Dude, if you want to own me by this and it's on, if you want to own me by donating to charity, I think that's fantastic. You're gloating that a fucking charity event is actually, like, you're trying to undermine a charity event. Deliberately.

You have to give money to be charity. Doing the event makes it a charity event, which means it's immune to criticism. Guys, you can't criticize an event if there's charity. I mean, what happened last year? How much money? Did they make a, did they do charity last year? I don't know.

I don't know. They want $250,000. Will you, will you debate me again, anything if you keep chirping? Please do it. Please, please, guys. But, but,

but, but if you, I would, I think it would be good if you watch the content, puk, context, and then we can discuss it.

Maybe I'll do that the funneries of creator clash. Yes, I think it's awesome. I mean, I think, yeah, I think he owes it to Ian.

He does. Yeah. Maybe you should do that too. You know, donate to, donate some propousing charities. I'll feel so fucking owned. He did.

each other and donate. He did on your stream. $6,500. I know you guys hate each other, but the views were crazy. It was. I never looked. I'm just saying, think about it. What was the views that? I never looked. They were pretty good on both ends. What about me? Whose was higher?

Don't ask that question. Hassan. Hassan was higher. Yeah. Not by much, but it was higher. That's not good. We got to do something. I mean, I had 120,000.

I don't know what you guys had over there. I wasn't looking, but we got up to about 100K. Well, we're going to have to do some. These people are clearly, uh, have some kind of brain disease and we need to do something about it. Mm-hmm. No, for sure. So on 20? Yeah, bro.

Like, keep up the energy. It was a big day for him. You feel that there is a real big day for him going on because your output is what matters here. And that is what I was trying to get across to you. That is my audience. Yeah, that was all with you. I acknowledge that I can, I, I acknowledge that I could talk about it more and I should make more of an effort to talk about it.

Okay. Thank you. Instead of going after. And you should try not to be a fucking raging anti-Semi for a day. What? If you can try not to be a raging anti-Semite for a day, then we can shake hands. Ethan, I don't think you actually believe that I'm anti-Semitic. I think you're hysterical.

I will be on the first part of this interview. What? You should watch back the first part of this interview. I don't think that makes you look good. Okay. Well, I guess we'll wait and see. Unfortunately, I think your people are going to think it makes you look good, and then everybody else is going to think that might look good.

Like, who is the fuck? At the end of the day. I'm sure. It's not a swastika. It's just the... The swastika sword. It's not a swastika. It's just the sword that I called the swastika sword.

Got it. All right. Have a good night, Hassan. All right. I got to go. You too, buddy. You take care, bud. All right.

Old friends, together at last. Gai's on. Give Kaya our love. Give Kaya our love. Yeah, we all still love Kaya. Oh my God. What a fucking train wreck. I was hoping that...

That was incredible. shouldn't have hoped that he would have been more open to listening. Wow. I guess that's what it was meant to be. Wow. Idi, what idiot? Guys, this was amazing. How long was that going on for?

Five hours. Five hours here. Was I owned? I need to process everything that just happened. My head's spinning. I got to talk about this. You know what? This reminds me of, it reminds me of,

golden ring. When the game was going to come out and I was so excited, I knew it was going to be really good, but it came out and it was even better than I could have ever expected. And then I remember whenever I made it to like, uh, you know, uh, that fucking underground city. And then the, uh, a fucking a lake of rot. And then there's the fairamazua. And I was like, wait, there's more. It's not like it's just going to be like Dark Souls 3 and it's like five zones and it's over. No, there's just more and more and more. It never stops. It never stopped.

So, okay, we will do an official poll chat. Mods, can we make a poll? Two, two winners. Just two people. Who won the debate? Ethan or Hassan? Just two. Just two.

Not me or. you know, fucking, uh, you know, Nelson Mandela or whoever. Can we, can we have somebody put up a poll?

Not me. Yeah. Yeah. Ethan is on. So we'll see what the chat says. Um, this was insane. Uh,

I, I really, honestly, I was really surprised. Uh, I didn't expect Ethan to, uh, go as hard as he did.

I didn't at all. Uh, we'll see what the chat says here. And, uh, it looks like the chat's pretty, uh, you know people have pretty pretty much one opinion on this um okay well um there it is so it's looking

like pretty much everybody it's a blowout it is it's a it's a complete fucking blowout um i honestly i i think that Ethan i think that Ethan i think this is also like another really good example of like Ethan in a lot of times like i think Ethan used a lot of debate techniques that made Hassan look bad in a way that is partially artificial. And I think it kind of goes to show one of the reasons why I think that a lot of debates like this are kind of problematic is that whenever you do, because I can notice this, right, whenever it's happening. And this is something, I mean, Hassan does this too, right? It's not like just Ethan did this. But Ethan, I think, had a better command of it in this debate.

I think he definitely had a much stronger command over it in this debate. And because I think it made him look a lot better. And I think that Ethan controlling the narrative and also controlling the audio and the video that was being played, put him in like kind of more of a dominant position in the video in the debate. And I think it put Hassan at a disadvantage for sure. Definitely. And I do think so. And overall, like, yeah, you guys, I mean, we have to kind of agree with that, right? me at least a little bit. So yeah, Ethan used those techniques consistently. You're 100% right.

Yeah, yeah, it is. And he was very good at that. And that's, you know, I can respect that, right? I mean, at the end of the day, it worked.