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Episode Date: July 7, 2025

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How Scientology destroyed it. Wait, what does Scientology have to do with skateboarding? Braille's skateboarding paid his employees roughly 20 bucks per hour. We're basically minimum wage employees. But donated over a million to the Church of Scientology. Wow. It'd gone to spend so much time with the strange organization, the Braille was neglected until it died completely in what is quite possibly YouTube's strangest ever downfall. So he got it? Oh no.

The channel's owned by Aaron Kuy. A pro skateboarder from San Francisco. Okay. My name's Aaron Cairo and I run this channel Braille Skateboarding. He started Braille Skateboarding just 12 days after YouTube's launch, uploading the clips that he'd used to gain his sponsors. But when a simple video titled How to Push on a Skateboard, gain more views than every other upload.

Aaron Cairo saw an opportunity. He'd upload How to Oli, then How to Nose Manual. Smart. This led to how to pop- Yeah, this is a really good idea. Of, and most notably how to kickflip, Each game in massive view counts for the early days of YouTube. Braille mate.

That was where I got skill-capped with skateboarding. I could do all the other stuff, I could not kickflip. Yep. Tutorials on every possible trick, giving the channel purpose and an obvious direction to help everyone learn how to skateboard. The whole purpose of Braille skateboarding to teach you guys to progress on your boards,

so you're having more fun on your boards. These videos carried the channel to over 200,000 subscribers. That's really good. But as Aaron Cairo became more known, so did another completely unrelated video. I am a Scientologist, Aaron Skateboarder. My name is Aaron. I'm a skateboarder and I'm also a Scientologist. During a vulnerable period in Aaron's life, Scientology offered him a free personality test. Oh boy.

In just one hour, you can test the TIC, the 10 key personality traits that determine your future success and happiness. and figure out how to improve them. Guys, should I take a Scientology test? Test. And on my personality test, my communication was really low. And then they suggested you should do a communication course. Aaron took the course and saw significant improvement. Wow.

And it totally helped me communicate. Help me a lot. And from that point forward, I just had this ability to communicate. It helped me a lot. Getting him hooked on the church of Scientology. So then I did more courses from there and learned more. He'd argue it helped him improve his skateboard. The thing that happened before Scientology and after was, I was learning tricks a lot easier.

Things were just coming to me a lot easier with less effort. And that's the Tower of Zinu. The technology gave him his career. And now I built an entire career on communicating. Yet all of his success could have easily been explained by simple repetition, practice and wake-on-wake improvement. Between 2013 and 2014, if he feels more confident in communicating, then it's working. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it kind of did work. If he thinks it works, then it worked.

He was uploading twice a day every day, which guaranteed improvement regardless of Scientology. We now have 400,000 subscribers. Okay, yeah. It's a pretty big deal. With the channel growing rapidly, Aaron hired Lance Silbar, who also happened to be a Scientologist himself. Lance became Braille's main filmmaker and editor,

as well as the channel's guinea pig who was learning how to skate. Okay. of Aaron teaching Lance basic tricks, did surprisingly well despite their simplicity. Yeah, that's nuts, man. Like 600K, 9 years ago, 10 years ago, one... Dude, these guys were huge. I never even heard of this before.

As skaters could watch and learn something new themselves. This seemed to tell Aaron that he should hire more skaters and would therefore introduce Gabe Cruz, who'd suggest a slightly unconventional upload. A game of skate but on Walmart boards. That's such a video. good idea. That is a great fucking idea. It would make him a joke amongst pro skaters.

No, no, this is such a good idea. I think even didn't Tony Hawk do something like this? Rather did the opposite as everybody loved it. Yeah. That therefore do the same thing with mini boards and long boards. It's a really good idea. Turning it into a series called Stupid Skates, playing the game with crazy modified skateboards. There was a skateboard with suspension, one with 10 sets of trucks, and one you could ride on either aside. It seemed the crazier the board, the more views that gain, leading things to be... I mean, I could see you could criticize this for being unsafe, right? Sure. But it's good clickbait,

definitely. Taken to the extreme. We're going to make a new series, and it's going to be called skate everything. And we get random things, and we attach skateboard trucks and wheels to it. Yeah, this is, and then we skate on here. They planned on putting wheels on random different items, beginning with a skinny plank of wood, then upgrading to a sharp square of metal. However, by only the third episode, Aaron was skating an iPad, which was simply too brutal for people not to click. I'm gonna feel so bad. It's so funny. This is so funny. To drill a hole in this iPad. I want to make this video, saw Lance's fault, blame Lance.

When the video attracted a whole new audience and gained three million views in under- Yeah, bro, this is great clickbait. A month, Aaron knew he'd found the perfect series. Absolutely. He'd repeat the idea. with a MacBook, then a keyboard, then with a flat screen TV. When they ran out of electronics, a skater full-size bedroom door, a surfboard and a skate shoe, generating so much channel interest that gained almost 600,000 subscribers over a two-month period in 2016. That's, yeah, it's a really good idea.

It is. That's smart. You guys are the best, the absolute best, because we just hit 3 million. In fact, Braille skateboarding became so popular, they'd build their own skate park called Braille House, which acted as their own personal filming studio. I found myself running an actual company, says Cairo, who had three full-time professionals running the video editing, merchandising and finance departments. It'd also hire another three on-screen skaters, Fettie Potter, Carlos Lastera and Nigel

Jones, but this wasn't only where Braille's money went. Between 2015 and 2017, Aaron Cairo did 16. Oh no. He's leveling up. In Scientology courses, many of which were incredibly expensive. The L10 rundown, for example, has an estimated cost of roughly 72,000, and this doesn't include the L11 and L12, both of which Aaron completed at the same time. Additionally, Aaron completed something called OT3, which according to Reddit,

it, the running tally to complete OT3 would be $278,000. I was going to say, why would people join a religion that's paid a win? But then, I remembered history. So, that's something. I actually know, it makes perfect sense to me. But still, like, this does seem like it's really pay to win, man. Like, oh, God. Oh, wow.

This ignores that he eventually went up to OT6, presumably costing even more, yet Aaron believed that all of this was worth it. An article on his training wrote, L10 was a particularly relevatory experience for him. The gains and abilities are so high, I could not even dream they would be available. Am I crazy for thinking that I don't care about this as long as this skateboarding channel is fun and it's not talking about Scientology? Like, I don't care that this guy's some weird, stupid Scientologist. It's the same thing as Tom Cruise. Like, Tom Cruise is a Scientology Nutball or John Travolta. Dude, if they're going to be in a movie, I want to watch it because I think they're great actors.

Like, I don't give a fuck about this. Like, yeah, do this on your own free time. But, like, you know, if you're putting it, I got taken advantage of, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's just the way that I feel about it. And I'm just being honest about it. Like, I really just don't have, like, this is his personal life. And I think it's weird. I think a lot of religious fundamentalism is weird.

I think this is just another brand of being weird. I think Scientology is, you know, it's like a new religion, and so like people take it less seriously. But if Scientology was invented, you know, 2,000 years ago, I don't think people would really think it's that much different than Christianity or Islam or any of the other Abrahamic religions or other like ancient religions. I do.

I think it would be about the same. No, it's a same. No, it's a scam. Yeah, but you want to know what my opinion is about the other religions? What do you think I think about that? This is so big and so clean, and my flows are wide open. I got rid of masses that had been in my space for trillions of years. I truly uncovered my basic goodness and rightness as a being.

He's still having daily cognitions directly related to L10, and his online traction has seen a noticeable uptick, which, to be fair, was certainly true. The channel was gaining so many views and all of the members were having so much fun that the massive amounts being spent on Scientology simply weren't a major concern. It continued to ride different exotic skateboards and allow the audience to send in their own, resulting in some of the channel's highest viewed videos. That's so good. The Lego skateboard gained...

Yeah, bro, this is... These video ideas are fucking amazing. Like, honestly, like, this is making me want to join Scientology. Like, it'd better start getting bad quick, because I'm almost sold. I'm about to order Dianetics right now. Like, this, yeah, this is working. 8 million views, the heaviest skateboards gained 11 million, whilst the glassboard with glass wheels gained 28 million views.

But the trend of wacky skateboards was slowly getting stale. Yeah. Viewers knew what to expect in every single upload, and after over 200 episodes, each variation was becoming less interesting. Sure. To make matters worse at around the same time, Lance announced that he'd be leaving, which added to the channel's slow viewership decline. In Dumb Dada's video about Braille, it's shown that from 2016 to 2019, Braille's views fell by almost 60%. Total views per year. That's a lot. I mean, 465 million views is fucking insane. At which point things began to get weird. At this point, Aaron's involvement in science,

Scientology wasn't super mainstream until an article was published titled, The Donors Keeping Scientology Afloat in 2019, with Aaron Cairo being pictured at the top. The Lesser Wales? It explained that he'd earned what's called gold meritorious, given to people who donated more than a million to Scientology. On a podcast, Aaron tried to play this down. Don't you need to give the church a certain amount of money each year to be apart?

No. You don't have to give them any money? No. Courses cost a fee. So the communication course that I did was $100. And the books are like, range from $25 to like $30. But his extensive involvement was documented everywhere. He'd appear in yet another Scientology promo video

for which he was heavily roasted in the comments beneath. But negative audience feedback didn't change his feelings. Somebody says something bad about that, so I'm just going to stop. Like, no way. And to be honest, again at this point, his involvement in Scientology wasn't really hurting. anyone. However, this was about to change. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's silly, but like, I don't think it's really a big deal so far. Yeah, it's not weird. Yeah, it's really not that weird, yeah.

In January 2020, Braille uploaded a video titled, like, I gotta cancel the Amazon order now. I got, yeah, we about to send Dianetics back, yeah. Need help, requesting the viewers donate to him to save his hometown skate park. that you guys can give would be incredible. We're trying to raise $200,000. Anything that you can give would be so, so, so, so, so, so amazing. This led to videos such as Aaron Cairo gives Scientology 750,000, but begs fans for donations. Whilst people on Reddit wrote, maybe just funnel the massive donations made to Scientology

rather than using your viewer base of children to recreate your park. Yeah, yeah. I think that people generally have a dislike when you have content creators that make a call to action for people to make money or to donate money. And the only exceptions are when something is a charity. So, for example, or a legal fund for something that's viewed as bad. Like, you know, the H3H3 lawsuit or like, I think Cheeby reviews did that as well. But for the most part, quote charity. Yeah, I mean, there are some good charities like St. Jude's, things like that.

support that absolutely and so but like if you're just donating money for like some random cause it's not a charity then yeah i think you're going to have a lot of people that are that are feeling this way solentology is massively worse than other religions i i don't know enough about it like i'm i'm mainly joking around like i've heard that scientology is very corrosive i've watched a few videos about it and about how like uh you know some of the people that are running it are weird guys, but I'm just saying that, like, I don't know everything about it. It's very bad. Yeah, I have no idea. It's a cult. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot. I don't know. I think there's a lot of cults. But either way, yeah, this whole thing is, I think that's what really rubs people the wrong way,

is you have a person who's making, you know, theoretically millions of dollars doing this, and this happens. comments read, did he have this much money when they had Carlos sleeping in the warehouse like a homeless person, leading people to make a realization. I heard that most of the profits of Braille go to donations to Scientology

instead of to the skaters that make it what it is. The skaters were running all the brand deals whilst barely being paid. It's like you want us to be the face saying, hey, buy this product, do this thing. And then like we gain nothing from the brand deal. Like, we have sponsors of our own as well. We have sponsors that...

He's first. fucking right, man. This is absolutely true. Yeah. Conflict with this brand deal that you're going to try to make us go and do on our own. And we are getting nothing but our normal low wage. And even built ramps for the channel without compensation. Wow.

They asked me to build it and I built it the day of from scratch. And they didn't even drop a penny. Imagine working for someone carrying the channel for $20 an hour. Then you hear that your boss donate. 1 million to Scientology. In the process... Yeah, of course this is gonna piss people off. That's it. Like, yeah, 100% they're gonna get mad about this shit.

Absolutely. Fetty and Carlos, two of Braille's most beloved members, left the team under sketchy circumstances. Nigel also announced that he'd be leaving, but would still be in the videos just not as an employee. He'd later explain the shocking reason for this. I left because I was making more off of unemployment. than I was filming full time. With paywright. Base.

Fucking base. Yep, smart. As is being few and far between. How many raises did you get? In 10 years? One. But in case conditions couldn't get any worse for the skaters. Yeah, it makes them look really bad.

Because, like, like, skating in general is kind of like a... It's like kind of a underclass activity. It's kind of like a, you know, I'm trying to think of the word for. it. It's like not a high level activity. Underground, that's the word I was thinking. Yes, underground counterculture type thing. Like, skating is coded that way. And because of that, a lot of the people that follow skating stuff, they're going to have a huge problem with, you know, these guys that they know are making the money, not getting paid a lot of money, and then all this money going to the Scientology Church. of course they're going to get mad about this. Yeah, OMFAO's Asmon calling skaters poor? Yeah. Yeah, most skaters are teenagers to like college guys, right?

I mean, yeah, there's guys that skate, but I think that a lot of them are young guys. It's mainly young guys. And you know what, young guys, if you're 17, do you know what? You probably don't have money. You probably don't have money. And so when they see that these guys,

are working and they're not getting in a minute like when i was into skating i was 15 okay like that that was the pinnacle of like 14 to 16 is whenever like we were we were really into skating everything like that right i didn't have any fucking money okay so if i saw this i would be like bro this guy's a bitch bro like he should be paying these guys the money because they're the ones that are making the videos absolutely 100% that's what i would think somehow still did. As in 2021, Aaron came to the team with another wild announcement. He goes, in one week from now, I'm going to business school for five months and I'll be back. And then we're like, whoa. Like, what?

As a result, Gabe became responsible for running Braille completely as Aaron disappeared to focus on business school. Two months fast. No one has talked to Aaron at all. It's like, it's not like he's on the phone going. Hey, guys, how's it going? Oh, the videos have been good. Like, oh, you're doing really good. Nothing. No. No. silence, like legit, like silence. This disappearance lasted longer than expected. The five months, it ends up being like, I want to say like eight or nine months, then he goes away again.

He's like, oh, I got to go back. I didn't finish. It was not long, and then he was gone for again. Like, I want to say like four or five months, maybe even more. Then he'd come back for like one week or something. Then he was gone again. And I want to say the total time was about like two years, I think. After two whole years of barely being on the channel,

Aaron returned with a video titled I'm Sorry, initially acknowledging his disappearance. I've been absent from the videos. I know you guys know that. I'm back. We're getting back on track. Before again claiming to be learning about business. I did take some time for myself,

and I did learn as much as I could about business. However, conveniently upon his return, another video was gaining some traction. Everyone knew this was coming. Everybody knew this is what was going to happen, right? We all knew this was what was going to happen, and you're just waiting for it to obviously be the thing. There we go.

Hiro is the new leader of Scientology in San Francisco. Aaron had joined Scientology's executive team, as the time he'd supposedly spent in business school was actually him just completing more Scientology coursework. This in combination with his absence, put immense pressure on everyone else at Braille. And I'm sorry for being gone for so long. I know it's really hard on my team here.

So much so good. Easiest guess of my life. Yes. So easy. They all began to quit. That's such. He emerged as the leader of Scientology SF. In that time, this guy started quitting.

Mogli, Uzi, J.D. And then when Gabe, Gabe was the final straw. As mentioned, this included Gabe, who at this point was completely running everything. For the past seven years, I've been doing all the behind-the-scenes stuff for the main Braille YouTube channel. Comments read, well, there goes the guy that's been carrying your... this channel for years. Honestly, Gabe was running the channel. Gabe was doing like literally, 99.9% of the channel. Forcing Aaron to take back over, who by this point seemed to be completely clueless. Now we no longer have Gabe to plan, film, and make all those videos. The content is...

I think that if you take Scientology out of the equation here, there would have been a similar drop-off, because if this guy was gone collectively for two years from the channel, and then he comes back, the entire audience gets changed. And people might not really understand this, but like there are always going to be like your long-time viewers, but people really underestimate the amount of viewer churn that you have, especially when you're making content that is for a very, like again, like skateboarding videos are popular for, I think, young boys between the ages of 12 and 30, right? like that's a very very narrow audience of people and so a lot of them grow out of it like for me like

i was into skating for three or four years right so inside of that three or four years i'm already out of it at that point so you lose your audience and if you're gone for that long you're going to come back they're going to say who the fuck is this guy right look at smosh yeah yeah no this is and i think that this would have happened regardless of scientology i think that scientology was the cause, but if he had taken a break for any other reason, I think that a similar thing would have had the same effect. Does that make sense? Definitely going to be changing. And what you're going to get, I actually have no idea. But it's going to go back to the roots of this company teaching tutorials. Yes, we're going to make weird boards, weird videos. This was far from an

innovative strategy, with the lack of fresh skilled content being obvious to all. You look at the videos now. You look at the thumbnails now. You look at the ideas now. You look at the ideas now. Terrible, right, on Braille's channel. Much worse than when we and Gabe were doing it. And that truly shows how much work we were doing. This dropped the channel's views to just a couple mill per month, forcing Aaron to destroy their skate park. I was trying to negotiate with the landlords to get a break on the rent.

This is a huge overhead. It's tons of money to have a warehouse. And we just could not come to an agreement. And then I got a letter from their lawyer that basically just said, You have got to be out by July 5th. Unsurprisingly, the audience offered no sympathy. Damn. That's 750,000 you spent to go up in a spaceship to heaven.

Oh god. Man. Yeah? Yeah. ...could have been spent better, but in true braille fashion it was even worse than this. Rikki Glazer, one of the last remaining members, wasn't even told that the skate park was being destroyed. I knew Brayor was struggling, but man.

I didn't know the park was literally getting destroyed right now. No one told Rick anything. And it's like, man, I really would have loved to know that, get one last such. He even had any idea? I portal this blood sweat and he is literally into that place. He was saddened by the sight of everything being discarded, which somehow offended Aaron to such an extent that Ricky was promptly fired. Braille skateboarding and Aaron Cairo both blocked me, Ricky Glazer, on Instagram.

Damn. I excited to leave himself. I will no longer be at Braille doing videos. won't be doing lessons with them anymore, obviously, because there is no location. Pissed off by Braille's blatant lack of care. No goodbye session, no nothing. Ten years of your life. I haven't even gotten, like, a thank you for all of the years of dedicating myself to the channel.

Aaron responded with a video of his own, claiming he tried to save the skate park. You guys must know that I did everything I could to save the Braille house. I literally took out a loan on my house. But with over 50,000 dislikes. The thing is that, like, nobody, no, again, young guy, they're going to see you spending this money on this bullshit fucking religion. Yeah, what is this? Like, what is this shit? Dude can do two things.

Don't into Scientology and be a snake? Yeah, I guess so. Like, really, like, it's a bit much. Yeah, it's much. Like, what is this? Seems he missed the point completely. Aaron, no one is worried about the warehouse. They're worried about the crew you ghosted.

Treating them bad doesn't, like, there's no justification for that. Yeah, like, there's no reason that's okay. Womp, Womp, you screwed the crew and that's who we cared about. He's legit more upset about what he did to the building than what he did to all of the people that made it what it was. Without a skate park or skate crew, the state of Braille is worse than ever. Aaron recently uploaded a video titled, Thank You, just reading positive comments from... Two months ago with 19K views.

Man. That sucks. That sucks, man. Damn. One year prior, seemingly to convince himself to keep uploading videos. I continue going because of comments like this. I absolutely love this. Braille's viewership has fallen to roughly...

3,000 views a video. Man. 5K per upload. Every comment section is filled with negativity. Please stop uploading. Which Aaron tries his hardest to defend himself against. against. Here's another part of it that I think does matter, and it might be kind of a black pill thing to say. But at this point, this is like a 40-something-year-old man. And whenever you first started

skating and you were getting into this stuff, you were basically the same demographic of the audience that you're trying to relate to. It's much easier for a young guy to relate to this guy. than to relate to fuck uh to this guy it is yeah he's an old man now and so you and and skateboarding is a young man's sport that's really it and it's got a young men audience and they're gonna and it's not even men it's boys too like they're not gonna want to listen to somebody that that's the same age as their dad unless it's somebody like tony fucking hawk right and that's a totally different thing it's a whippersnapper sport it is so i think this isn't really just because of Scientology. And I know this might sound crazy, but this is my evaluation to somebody who does YouTube, et cetera.

I think this would have happened if Scientology wasn't even picture at all. I think the fact is that, you know, the way he treated his employees was rat behavior. The fact that he basically aged out of it in a way that he's not relatable to his original audience anymore. He already played out all the ideas that he had. And then on top of that, you take a break from your channel for two years. You let other people develop it. You come back and a lot of these people don't even know who you are. That's it. Asmon in five years? Well, the thing is that, like, I've changed my content a lot.

I have. And because I know about this, right? And not this, though. 3K views is bad. Yeah, it's real bad. Absolutely. Skateboarding is kind of dying as well. Well, I don't know about that.

I don't know if skateboarding is dying or not. So a dude tried to copy Rob a Deer Deck. Yeah, but like that guy was a pro skater. Like when I was into skating, I'm pretty sure he was a pro skater, wasn't he? Like, I mean, this is going like way back into my memory. So I'm trying to remember whether this is true or not. But I believe he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

Yeah, it was way like I was a like this 20 years ago, something like that, right? And so all those Zeno books couldn't fix shit. Well, I mean, it helped him at the beginning. And then, and this is the way I think a lot of groups like this get you is that I bet, and don't crucify me for saying this, but I bet some of those entry-level Scientology courses probably do have a lot of good advice in them. I bet they do. And I think that there's a lot of things like that that probably have very, very entry-level, reasonable, good advice. But the problem is that when you have a lot of these, like, types of

like extreme ideologies, there's a point where you cross over the threshold, where you now accept their reality over your own. That's how they get you. Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, if the advice was bad, you'd never see these people that get, you know, captured by this stuff. Buy someone do them on stream. They'd probably fucking DMCA me or something like that, I bet.

So, I don't know, man. I'll look at Twitter Explorer, crazy news. Yeah, I'll see if there's anything that happened, but it seems like, no, there's nothing else really that happened at all. But anyway, Scientology started as a self-help program. Yeah, I think that's the case. Yeah. And, yeah, first Scientology seems like expensive college with some connections,

but the further in you go, it reeks of some scam. I mean, I don't know enough about, like, I've watched a few documentaries about Scientology, and I mean, obviously, like, all of them are, like, super negative, definitely. But like my point is that when I'm looking at something like this, I think about it from the perspective of like five different directions, right? Not just one thing, but like three or four different things that come together. And I think that aging out of the sport is a real legitimate thing that happens. And I think it happens with gaming as well. I think it happens with streaming as well.

Like for me, I'm kind of lucky because I basically, you know, I'm 34. I pretty much look the exact same as I do when I was 20, right? but a lot of other people and like friends of mine, you know, they have like all gray hair now and they're old and, you know, even age of it. No, I haven't really. And at least not, no, I don't think so, right? I mean, my hair. That's, that's the one thing, right? Is my hair has, you know, it's not perfect, okay? You look 50? I do not look 50, okay? And if I look 50 now, I look 50 then. So that's it. Solentality seems to be a blackmailing scheme for the rich and famous. I don't know really. I don't know. I have no idea. Regardless of the religion, you can take a spiritual journey at the literal expense of your coworkers and friends. Yeah. And I think that's basically what happened is that this guy left his channel. He aged out of the sport. He lost his relevance. And then he betrayed the people that helped him build his career. And you do all three of those things and people aren't going to like you.

You don't need to be a fucking a Scientologist to come to that conclusion, right? That's it. You can't age out of content creation, right? Plenty of old guys are still doing their thing. So can you age out of content creation? Personally, I think you absolutely can. I do. I think that you absolutely can age out of it. And I think that some streamers, like, especially like having like gray hair and stuff, I think that the audience for streaming is aging in a general sense. Like, and yeah, yeah, you guys are right. It is especially true with girls, okay?

And we all know why. But I think even with guys, it's true because you think about it like this, right? So if you're a young guy, if you're like, imagine yourself, think back to yourself when you were 17, right? Was it easy for you to relate to somebody that was 40? No, we're 35? Absolutely not. it's a completely different life orientation. So, and you, but you could relate to somebody that's like maybe like, I don't know,

even the difference between like 16 and 20 is huge. Like, it's massive. But like if you're 20, you can relate to a guy that's 25 to 30. But like, it's going to be hard for you to relate to a guy that's 40. And so the, and you guys know this is growing up, right? This is how it is. Yeah, it really is. And so when you become an older guy, it's harder for you to relate to people in the same way.

Were there even streamers that old 20 years ago? No, the fact is that if you look at all streamers from back in the day, almost all of them were all young guys. And the reason why is because that's the audience. That's the audience. And people watch streamers for relatability. The future only young kids won't be watching. Yeah.

And I think that that's how things have, like, in a big sense, things have aged up. But right now, whenever you see a lot of the really big guys and like the new streamers that are coming up, You want to know who they are? Keso, Kai, Jynxie, Aden, all of these guys, young guys. Much younger guys. That's a big difference.

And I think it's the same thing. It's Youngblood. Yeah, exactly, because that's where a lot of those audiences come in from, right?