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suspect in the killing of a state lawmaker and her husband has been caught and is now facing murder charges.
Oh, mother charges. Investigators using helicopters, surveillance drones, as well as infrared technology to find Vance Bolter.
Got his ass. They say that he literally crawled to law enforcement after search teams closed in on him.
Damn.
I'm very proud to tell you that we took the suspect into custody who was responsible for this.
that was within 43 hours of the incident.
There's no question that this is the largest manhunt in the state's history.
Damn.
Just down at the scene, we're taking custody,
there's 20 different SWAT teams over a extremely large area hunting this individual down to take him into custody.
Jesus.
I believe that the state of Minnesota and certainly the city of Brooklyn Park should be extremely proud.
That's a W, though. It's glad, yeah.
I'm glad they got.
officers within the city of Brooklyn Park, but the partnerships that we had are unprecedented
between the federal agents, the county, the locals, and others around. It is absolutely an
incredible task what went on. Essentially, the Brooklyn Park Police Department was turned
over into an operation center, and that's all that hundreds of detectives worked on tirelessly
for 43 hours. So while this has come to some conclusion where we've made an arrest, there is a ton
of work that needs to be done.
So I encourage community members that if there's evidence, information, or other things,
please continue to feed that information to the Brooklyn Park Police Department
so that we can fully investigate this and present a complete case to both the federal jurisdiction
and the Hennem County Attorney's Office.
Yep, I'd expect that.
And Justin to CNN a few moments ago, this new photo of Bolter.
It's his mugshot after-
fucking got him.
I mean, it's impressive that they're able to catch these guys, too.
It really is.
He was transferred to the head of been county jail.
He has been charged out with two counts of second degree murder and two counts of second degree attempted murder.
That's according to a criminal complaint that was obtained by our colleagues at the Minnesota Star Tribune.
A source telling CNN that the U.S. Justice Department is also considering possible federal charges against Bolter.
The complaint also shows that police found weapons, including at least three AK-47s and a handgun inside his SUV.
How the fuck do you get that?
separate shootings targeting Minnesota state lawmakers in their homes.
Jesus.
Lisa Hortman and her husband, they were both killed early Saturday morning.
She was the top Democrat in the Minnesota State House.
Officials saying that state senator John Hoffman and his wife were also shot, but they survived
the attack and are recovering in the hospital this morning.
That's undergoing surgeries.
Let's bring you now, CNN's law enforcement.
Alist, Jonathan Wackrow, who's also a former Secret Service agent, joins us live from Middleton, New Jersey.
Jonathan, it's good to have you this morning.
Thanks for getting up early for us.
Hey, good morning, Paula. How are you?
Damasker, Lucas Dark.
Following and so processing this overnight news,
I'm wondering if you can give us a general sense
of this vast amount of technology
and the manpower that was used
to track him down without injuring either him
or any officers.
Yeah, they actually caught him.
Well, listen, there are three things
that are credited right now
for this successful apprehension.
First, it's the proven law enforcement tactics
that were deployed.
I mean, you were thinking about a surge of law enforcement, the coordination between state, local, and federal assets working, you know, in unison under.
The feds released more info after this, apparently into four different lawmakers home. Yeah, there's follow up for this afterwards, too. You're right.
One central command to follow up on hundreds of leads, the rapid deployment of tactical teams when there were possible sighting.
And finally, the actual setting up of, you know, very strict tactical perimeters when they did see that second vehicle really allowed for law enforcement tactics to be deployed.
I'm going to be honest.
Like that picture of him with that fucking mask on dressed up as the police, that shit's actually scary.
It's crazy.
Like, that's some kind of like fucking Michael Myers horror movie shit.
By, as you said, the utilization of technology.
So the infrared cameras that were used, the fleer cameras that pick up heat signatures of individuals gave law enforcement officers on the ground this tactical advantage from the air being able to see in the dark, see in areas that they were able to pick up on that heat signature.
But a critical key component of this apprehension really came with a breakthrough from the private sector, the public's assistance in the utilization of this trail.
camera, raising awareness that there was an image on the trail camera from a private citizen that
matched the suspect's description.
See, this is what really gets people.
This is why it's like, I bet like if you were trying to go out and fuck around and do bad
stuff nowadays, it's probably so hard to do that because now you're locked in, like,
everybody has a camera everywhere.
Like, how do you deal with that?
And I think that's the situation that they're in right now.
Like, I mean, yeah, like, there's just cameras fucking everywhere.
So, like, you walk over to somebody's house and you end up being on, like, four different cameras and you don't even know it.
Really allowed for that perimeter, that tactical perimeter that was a step.
My point is that, like, it's a lot harder for people.
Like, for example, before the, you know, ubiquitousness of cameras was there, right?
Like, they're at every store.
They're at every intersection.
They're in most houses.
Like, they're everywhere.
and you have everybody carrying a phone too with their and then you have dash cams and you have car phones or sorry cameras like there's just cameras fucking everywhere so how do you get how do you get in how do you get away with this and it seems like you don't that's how
published by law enforcement to really shrink down into an area where law enforcement was able
to identify the location of this suspect, call out to that individual where he crawled out of his
hiding location and was taken into custody without incident. So this was a successful resolution
at the end to a really tragic. It's a huge W, massive W. The community around Minnesota
was facing. And coming to an end not far in the same town with the suspect.
Reported lived.
Jonathan, when I was hearing from investigators over the weekend,
they were sort of painting this picture of planning and premeditation on the side of their suspect
in terms of the gear that he used.
But when you look at this case now that he's in custody, what do you think that he essentially
dropped the ball?
He was captured slightly less than 48 hours after the commission of these alleged crimes.
Apparently a paid assassin.
One thing I think that the suspect did not take into account for, for as much planning as he may have had or thought he had,
what he really was not, you know, putting into his calculus was just the overwhelming force of law enforcement that was coming after him.
Yeah, I mean, you look at it, bro, like when they mobilize all them boys, you're cooked, man.
He's fucking done, bro.
They're going in there with like those fucking predator, you know, like fucking vision, heat.
sinking cameras.
They're going every.
Like, you're fucking cooked.
You're finished.
This is Tim Wall's fault.
No, it's not.
The guy's nuts.
You think about the 400 officers, over 20 tactical teams,
investigators from, you know, the federal government.
Yeah, he's got five stars.
Exactly.
Working together, again, a common cause of taking this individual into custody.
The resources that they had at their disposal to quickly push out, you know,
investigators to follow up on leave.
So how'd they have all these resources, but they couldn't stop the riots in 2020?
I wonder why. That's crazy because like this is a big issue in Minnesota, right?
And like, you know, I think about that.
Hmm, what is that?
Why?
Wow.
What a surprise to send tactical teams to certain locations very quickly.
All of that, you'll put this individual completely on his fields and, you know, put him on the run.
And that's when mistakes start to happen.
You know, in the moment that they found that second vehicle, again, that was a turning point for law enforcement.
Again, proven law enforcement tactics in coordination at the end of the day brought this to a successful resolution.
In their announcement of that resolution, Jonathan, Governor Tim Walts said that these attacks, in his words, that they altered the state of Minnesota.
In your opinion, how do you think this particular case may change the conversation around political violence?
We know that there were many Democrats on this, on this kill?
list that's been reported on by investigators. Sadly, we've seen one too many cases, just in the
U.S. alone when it comes to political violence and, you know, and when it comes to political
conflict and global conflicts. So what have... The problem is that people are afraid of unequivocally
condemning the political violence because they know that part of their support comes from people
that condone the violence. And I think that Luigi was the... Luigi was the turning point with
this and it's just gotten worse and worse over time. And now, like, this is the reason why,
like, for example, like, if this guy was a Republican, it seems like he was, we're not sure yet,
but it seems that way, like, the guy should get the fucking death penalty. I mean, that's it.
I mean, it's that simple. You literally go, like, you're killing, you're a literal fucking
terrorist, right? Like, there's no two sides to this. There's no, I can understand why he was
upset. He's a psycho fuck and he deserves the electric chair. That's it. It's that simple.
And so I don't know why a lot of liberal people try to like men's words and oh, well, you know,
well, he had a trouble past and you know, no, these people are fucking crazy. They're insane.
They're dangerous. They're violent. And everybody should be against it. That's it. Death penalty is the
answer. Yes, that's it. And so the reason why political,
violence has become normalized is because you have certain people, and I think this is primarily
a left-wing thing right now, at least, especially with like the Tesla riots, etc., that keep
making excuses and coming up with reasons why it's okay that somebody like this was violent.
That's the issue. Like Tesla is a good example of that. The assassination on Trump is a good example
of that. The recent ICE riots where they're burning down, you're burning down self-driving cars.
to protest illegal immigration
or like the immigration reform
like what the fuck
they're not even connected
right you have nothing to do with each other
the 86 thing yeah exactly
and the constant intellectual dishonesty
that's coming out of people
trying to play like oh like
the thing is like I thought it was so cringe
when like Bill Burr was talking about like
oh like free Luigi
like if you're a popular celebrity
do you really think like I mean
do you really think popular celebrities
aren't on the kill list for a lot of revolutionaries that have a problem with society.
It's insane.
Anybody who is a popular or well-known person who plays footsie at all with those revolutionary
people, I think this is natural selection waiting to happen.
That's my opinion.
These people, you are on their list.
Don't think you're one of the good ones because to one of them you are, but to the other
one, you're at the top of their list.
So I find it to be so fucking annoying to see people.
drawing like, oh, well, it's kind of okay or something like that. It is obnoxious as fuck for me to see that.
And so that's where the political violence narrative came from. And it's so obnoxious that people will not just straight,
flat out condemn it and say, this is bad. Nobody should do this. It's such a simple thing,
but it eludes so many people. And it's because they're afraid of alienating their extremist,
like they're extremist supporters.
What happens next?
That's the reason.
In terms of the conversation around that.
Well, Polo, for a long time, we've been reporting around escalating, you know, political
narratives and, you know, toxic conversations online.
What we saw is right now, it's not toxic.
These are threats of violence and calls to violence online.
These are things that already break.
This is not the First Amendment.
This is, these are people that are breaking the law.
law on the internet that go unpunished and eventually it radicalizes people like this.
Was this a direct result? Maybe not. But some of the Tesla bombings, I'm sure was, or the next
time this happens, I'm sure will be. Eventually it will be.
Because we're seeing this, you know, a disturbing trend where, you know, political rhetoric and
rhetoric that's online that's, you know, toxic is now transcending into direct action.
Exactly. We've seen that now time and time again. And this violence that we are witnessed.
against our politicians on both sides has been normalized, right? And now we're getting into
this normalization of the assassination culture where people, you'll feel that it's justified or
they're giving a rationale for these horrific acts. I'm going to be honest. This is, I wouldn't
expect this from CNN. CNN is actually giving this. I actually think this guy is cooking so hard.
He is completely right about everything he's saying. You got to stop. We have to reverse that narrative.
We have to stop these violent acts from manifesting themselves where they actually foster online and then transcend into direct action.
That has to stop.
So Governor Walts was correct.
We have to change the entire paradigm of how.
Governor Walts needs to start by changing himself.
Whenever you're celebrating Tesla's stock going down as a result of violent terrorist vandalism, and you're like, wow, I'm so happy the stock is going down.
Meanwhile, your state's retirement fund is partly involved in Tesla.
You know, you want to talk about like, you know, celebrating violence.
He should start with himself.
It's pathetic.
Like, he's the last person I want to hear this from.
Actually engage online, talk to each other and engage so we don't get into these situations again.
Yeah, life altered for an entire state for two families.
So life will certainly never be the same again.
But at least...
And keep in mind, if more of this stuff happens, what you're going to get,
This is the end result of what you're going to get.
You're going to get real ID on the internet.
You're going to get more surveillance.
You're going to get more two-factor checks.
You're going to get more levels of, you know, more lack of privacy.
You're going to lose more and more of your freedom on the internet.
And the government is letting it happen.
And obviously, I mean, you know, I mean, any conspiracy-minded person would be saying,
oh, they're doing this on purpose so people can be excited for the next Patriot Act, right?
I mean, it's clearly like, you know, people said,
about 9-11. But that's the direction that we're going in. That's very clearly the direction that
we're going in. A sense of closure, perhaps, with the detention of a suspect. What are you thinking about
real ID on the internet? I would be open to the idea of real ID being necessary to use social
media platforms. I mean, I'm open to the idea. It doesn't mean I support it, but I'd be open
into listening to it. But like, I don't think you need real ID for everything. And porn. Bad idea.
Hell no. Well, why not? It's a slippery slope. Well, why not? What's the reason not?
What's the pros and cons list? Yeah, privacy. I mean, I don't think that like if you're posting things on the internet and you're doing it with a private company, I don't think that you have the promise of privacy.
Like, nobody has the right to post anything that they want on the internet completely anonymously. That's not in the constitution. It's a data breach. Yeah, but there's plenty of data breaches. I mean, there's plenty of those anyway. Like, of course, that's what's going to have.
happen. How do we avoid doxing? I mean, well, it's simple. It's done like, I mean, it's the same as any
website. Yeah, Reddit needs real ID. Yeah. And also, like, you, you know you effectively have real ID
to begin with, right? Because you need to have a name and like an address and a person that's assigned
to an ISP. Like, whenever you pay for your ISP, you are effectively giving them real ID. That's how
they catch these people. It's Jonathan Weakle. Really appreciate your law enforcement analysis.
Joining me now to discuss Juliet, Kym, CNN's senior national security analyst.
Julia, earlier, you and I were both talking about the Boston Marathon bombing where there was a massive manhunt back then.
Things have changed a lot.
We were hearing about these drones being involved at the moment of his surrender.
Can you talk about sort of how these things play out today?
Either way, no matter how you feel on it, like I don't want to like go back and forth about this forever.
Regardless of how you feel about this one way or another, you guys need to admit that it's very clear.
that this is where things are going in, right?
This is the direction things are going in, and it's going very fast.
And the more violent stuff like this that happens, the faster it starts going in that direction.
Yeah.
So these sort of multi-game manhunts are going to always use a combination of tools to try to get the suspect.
This was different, of course, than the Boston Marathon.
It was shorter, even though it felt long.
And this combination of use of technology, I have to say there was still sort of crowdsourcing.
They were talking about someone calling in the technology with the drone use and trying to identify him.
And then the surge of law enforcement to surround him.
So he ultimately surrenders without harming anyone else.
And not harming himself.
So that now he can be prosecuted and put before court and potentially he's speaking.
The other similarity is.
I just realized his manifesto never got released, didn't?
because people said that they had a manifesto from him, but that never got released.
Walls told them not to.
I'm going to be honest.
I actually think that it's a good thing.
I think that none of their manifestos should be released to the public.
I think it should just be used as police evidence and then kept private.
Because I think that the proliferation of the manifestos creates a reward structure around doing these shootings.
Of course, this lockdown aspect to the week.
But I like my concern is that what is what if the reason why the manifesto wasn't leaked is that it was inconvenient for the people who chose to keep it private?
So yeah, you know, it makes me a little bit uncertain.
And over the course of the weekend, parts of the community were locked down because these kinds of crimes, these essentially terrorism or terror crimes don't just impact the victims.
But of course, whole communities that's a chilling effect.
do not know what to anticipate next. That lockdown was lifted there in just a short while.
And what you're saying is significant because if I'm looking at the last year, there's multiple
assassination attempts against President Trump, an arson attack against the Democratic Pennsylvania
governor, Josh Shapiro, of course, the killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington.
I mean, how do you, how does law enforcement start to approach protecting people?
Go on the internet and arrest the people that are.
making calls to violence and then make it known and evident that anybody who engages in that
behavior will be caught and prosecuted. You want to solve the problem? That's how you solve the
problem. That's it. Reddit will be done for? No, it wouldn't. This problem, the reason why
Redditors do this is because they can get away with it. The moment they see somebody get hauled off to
jail because of some Reddit post, they're not going to talk about this shit at all anymore.
Yeah, they'll stop immediately. Trust me, the moment that you actually start enforcing the law,
these people immediately roach out instantaneously.
Retroactively charge them all?
Well, of course.
Yeah, I mean, if it's within a statute of limitations, absolutely you would charge them all.
You really can't.
I mean, I'm just going to be blunt here.
I mean, there's going to be.
How do you, how does law enforcement start to approach protecting people?
You really can't.
Yeah, she's a retard.
She doesn't know what she's talking about.
And so anyway, yeah, you absolutely can.
you 100% can.
There's people on the internet that are constantly making these calls to violence nonstop.
It's obvious that this is happening.
I'm just going to be blunt here.
I mean, there's going to be VIPs, senior executives,
or CEOs and other high-profile corporations.
But, I mean, look at what happened this weekend.
And also says if someone wants to hurt you, there's no stopping them.
Yeah.
And, you know, there are sometimes that somebody might drive into your car, and it's not your fault that you get in an accident, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt.
Like, there are methods in reduction that are effective at scale, but the reduction methods never reach the number of zero.
Obviously, obviously you can never prevent something from happening 100%.
But you should take effort and you should take action to prevent it from happening as often as possible.
state senator that most of us nationally have never heard of a state leader in the house.
Yeah, this is going to keep happening.
It's just a reminder that there's all these amazing people, Republicans and Democrats alike,
who are committing to their communities, serving their communities.
You can't protect every single one of them.
Yeah, what a moron. What an idiot.
Well, anyway, so, yeah, I totally disagree with that.
I think that she's out of her fucking mind.
I think it's very obvious where the political violence is coming from.
It's completely transparent.
I can't see anybody not thinking that.
But I guess that's what happens whenever you've got to make excuses for it.
So let's go back.
I'll see if I can find any more of these.
I did hear that they were doing more strikes,
but maybe now that's not happening.
I don't know.
And there's a really opposed to the senators on the no-kings protest,
a protester with a sign of beheaded Trump, etc.
Nazis on their heads charge these people and they'll stop.
Exactly. Like I think that a lot of people really discount. Most people that go to these protests have comfortable, nice, normal lives. They are not looking to one shot their life and destroy their life because of some bullshit. They don't want to do that. So the moment that these people realize that there's going to be a genuine and direct consequence for something, they roach the fuck out. They stop immediately.
because they don't want to do that.
Right-wing shooters is assassinating left-wingers.
Left-wing bad, it's their fault.
Well, should it matter?
I mean, were the Tesla's left-wing or right-wing?
It's obvious.
And I think that also the majority of political language on the internet
has been directed towards right-wing people by left-wing people.
And I think that this has created a big problem.
Now, I think that obviously the Israeli shooting at that embassy is a good example of that.
I think that Luigi is a good example of that.
And I think that also this one probably, it seems like, is not a good example of that.
But there's like, oh, the Tesla burnings are a good example of that.
So yeah, absolutely.
