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Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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Female fencer disqualified after refusing match with a transgender athlete. Okay, let's see here. Taking a knee. You know, there is a member on the board of directors here who supports me, and there is a policy that acknowledges me as a woman. So I am allowed to fence, and you will get black carded, is what trans rival Redmond Sullivan told Stephanie Turner. I guess I'm...

I took a knee in protest. After refusing to compete, Turner was issued a black card by, fencing officials. Yeah. suspended her from the competition. The controversial decision has sparked outrage on social media among users left dismayed by a female athlete being punished

for choosing not to line up against a biological male. And this is also like, you know, fencing is a, it's a direct, like, it's different than let's say, I don't know, like, tennis, right? Or like basketball in a way.

Because like in basketball, you're playing against the other player. But, like, having a, like, physically interacting with the other player is not the win condition, whereas in fencing it kind of is. Or track, right? Yeah, this isn't track and field. Well, actually, I mean, y'all remember that. Bong? Like, that shit, I guess maybe track and field is a physical, is a physical sport now, right?

Or at least it is in America. And anyway, it's a, yeah, like what I'm saying is fencing is a combat sport, right? And so that's what's so crazy to me about this, is that this isn't even defined. We'll listen to it. In an exclusive interview with Dailymail.com, fencing star Turner revealed she has been scared to reach out to USA fencing with her concerns. Given the pro-trans views of high-ranking officials within the governing body. I don't even want to reach out because if I do, then I won't ever have a fair bout in my life. This is what needs to happen is that the other people,

that are competitors need to support her. Because it doesn't really matter what the administration thinks. But if you have a bunch of people that are refusing to compete, then there's no, like, how can you be an administrator for something that's not happening? Well, then your job disappears. So they're right, yeah. And so that's what they need to do. I mean, more than anything.

So yeah, I watched the interview on Fox was on yesterday. Yeah, I'll look at it in a minute. So Fox interviewed her after this happened. Isn't the point that gender is arbitrary here? like it really doesn't matter? Well, I'm going to assume, like, in every single other instance of physical expression, that actually gender does matter and men come out on top. Yeah, I'm just going to guess that because of, like, literally every single other one.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I've got to, you know, like, if you want to bet on one or the other, I bet what it's going to be. And so, yeah, there you go. Anyway, let's go by here. Reaction Speed and Reaches, my guess. Well, let's watch the interview first. We're interested in. A female fencer stands up for fairness in women's sports.

Yeah. She did it by taking a knee and refusing to compete against a biological male at a tournament over the weekend. The referee's response, a black card. The sports most severe penalty, which means expulsion from the tournament. Let's bring in the athlete to the center at all. Stephanie Turner. And Stephanie, thanks so much for being with us. We really appreciate it.

Thanks for having me. I just, I don't know how you, I don't know how you can reconcile the fact that you have gendered competitions and fencing, but you don't want to have gendered competitions and fencing for this. I don't understand this at all. How does this work? Like, what's the thinking here? I guess there isn't any.

So this was an Olympic qualifying event, my understanding, it is. This was something that you had prepared all your life for. It wasn't an Olympic qualifying event? I'm sorry. I had heard that this morning. It was an important event, though. And this is something that you've been preparing for for an awfully long time. You decided that you were going to take yourself out of the tournament. What was the thinking in leading up to the decision where you took a knee? Right. So this was actually a regional tournament held by the USFA at the University of Maryland. So it's a competitive event then, right?

I mean, because, you know, we're not talking about like a practice or, you know, training or sparring or something. This is a competitive event. Part of my pre-competition ritual is to check the online registration to see who is going to be there and just double-check my check-in times. Yeah, that would make sense. On the registration list, I saw Redmond Sullivan's name listed there, and I recognized this individual from a previous Redux article that had been written saying that this person was a man who had previously competed on the men's team at Wagner and was now competing as a woman within the USFA. Yeah.

So from that point, I just got really disappointed with the USAFA and with this tournament, and I just felt like at a loss, I'd already. committed so much money to it and training hours and I was literally looking forward to this I do this tournament every year yeah I think this may be like my tenth year in a row doing this tournament and I I I just got really sad and I started crying because this was like the last thing I wanted to deal with in my my competition so so at one point in the video so we see we see you take a knee and then the official comes over what did you say to the official at that point. So the official came over to me and asked if I was still... So they compete in a men's team,

then the women? Sounds like it's not fair and the guy was there to beat up on women? I don't really think he's there to beat up on women necessarily. I just, I think that like really the problem is that in my opinion, like this is very, it's a very easy solution, right? But I think that a lot of people just don't really seem to understand it. And it's crazy that like a combat sport there's even any debate on this and like the association for fencing even allows it that's what's really crazy to me is that

like I mean if you're like a trans person competing in the other gender like yeah that's not a good thing but like really I mean it's the people that are letting it happen are the ones that are really wrong refusing to fence it's insane yeah and I said yes

oh you're talking about initially or when I get the black card no initially Initially, I told them that I was refusing defense because this person isn't a man and I am a woman and this is a woman's tournament and I refuse to defense on principle. And then later, right after this, we see your opponent comes over. What did you say to your opponent at that point? Yeah, that's common sense. I mean, how could anybody be against this? It's astonishing to me. it's really concerning how hostile chat's been recently it's just common sense and ban them it's very unfortunate uh i i don't know i mean i do think this is chat like i think that with any

any social issue or something like that people are going to be very opinionated about it like i'm not that worried about somebody in chat getting mad or something like that i mean yeah if somebody gets upset then you know they'll get banned but i mean other than that's not that big confused thinking that I was maybe hurt and I said no I am refusing to fence you because I'm a woman and you are a man yeah I have much love and respect for you but I will not compete against you wow and he responded okay well there's a yes yeah I'm just just going to say I'm sorry what was his response his response was okay but there's a member of the board of directors here and he said

supports me and there's a policy that says that I'm a woman and I'm allowed to compete in the women's tournament and if you do this you're going to get black carded and I said I know yeah so so here's what USA fencing said in a statement to Fox News Digital USA fencing enacted our current transgender and non-binary athlete policy in 2023 the policy was designed to expand access to the sport of fencing and create inclusive safe spaces it goes on to talk more but this idea about inclusive safe spaces what about inclusive? Well, what are they saying here? So, the policy is based on the principle that everyone should have the ability to participate in sports and was based upon the research available

of the day. Well, I mean, it's based on a principle, but it's not based on science, is it? Because, like, why are all the other ones segmented by gender? Why isn't yours? I wonder why? Yeah, it's shocking. Yeah, like, what research is it that you're finding that, shows you that biological men don't still have an advantage over women in sports. Well, how does this happen? Like, and also, how can you even research this? Because basically, like, if a person says that they're trans, they're basically trans. This is something that you decide.

So it's not like you have to be of a certain body mass index. You don't have to, you know, have long hair. You don't need to have long nails. If a person wants to be trans, they just decide to be trans, right? And so how could you do any research on this in the first place? Because there's a huge spectrum of people that are trans. There are people that are trans and you would probably not, like, there are people that look like 98% like a woman and people that look 80% like a woman.

And there's a big difference between those two, like especially how early somebody gets on, you know, like the hormones and everything how long they've been doing it. So how could you, how could you even do any, like, what research even are you doing? It doesn't even make sense to me. It's based on research and show the research. Yeah, I don't even understand this at all. Say you're Roman Asman. You'll get the biggest female streamer on Twitch.

Yeah, good one. Polygraph, a thousand percent trends. People would be an interesting study. Well, I'm just saying like this is, I mean, it's just, it's clearly what the truth is, right? I mean, that's obviously what it is. I can't think research, pull me up. Well, I mean, here's the thing is like, if there were, if there was research that definitively showed that this was the case, that still doesn't break the fact that if you say that you're trans,

then you're trans. Because like we're like this, their ideology is that anybody can decide that they're trans whenever they want to be trans. That's it, right? So somebody opts into doing this and they get to be this other person whenever they want, however they want, however they want, naturally, right? And so trans is not female. Well, what I'm saying is that that's how trans works. And so basically self-ine identification. Yes, exactly. And so the reverse is also an ideology. The reverse is an ideology. No, the reverse is biology. No, you're comparing a biology versus an ideology. These are two different things. Inclusive safe spaces for female athletes. Right. There's nothing for me and there's everything for him. Yeah. Because I have no choice as a woman.

as a female in where I compete. I am a woman and I have an athletic disadvantage to men. So I compete in the women's division, which is where I rightfully am. But he has been given this opportunity to fence in the women's division, and he can compete, he can easily compete in the men's division. He can also compete at mixed events in local tournaments if he wants. There is a place for him. So there are mixed events, and so they're choosing not to go to the mixed event,

and they're choosing to go explicitly to the female event. Well, I think, I mean, this is a crazy level of entitlement here, right? I mean, like, well, what's going on here? So if you have mixed events and you're not going to that, all you're doing is causing trouble. Like, can't people see that this person's just here causing trouble? So the idea that they're creating, they're expanding, the women's is just essentially making it an open tournament that can include them. and it ends up hurting me and other girls. Yeah, of course.

So you got to support of Riley Gaines, who was on our network earlier today, and former tennis star Martina Novratilova, who put this out on X. She said, this is what happens when female athletes protest. Anyone here still think this is fair? I am fuming, and shame on USA fencing. Shame on you for doing this.

How dare you throw women under the gender BS bus? I mean, this doesn't come at the expense of male athletes. We don't see this in the flip side of the coin. That's because a female athlete taking testosterone is never going to be of the same physical level that a biological male athlete will ever be at. That's the reason everybody knows it. When you read, thanks to the 10 subs, I appreciate it. Yeah, that's why it's obvious. The expensive female athletes like yourself, like Riley Gaines, like the girls who lost that race by seven seconds in Oregon, like the girls who lost the pole vault event in Maine.

I mean, this is happening across the country. And to a large degree, women support this. Well, women support it because they're primarily not participating. And I think that people support social causes like this because it makes them feel good. That's the reason why. Most people are not supporting this out of any sort of like logical foundation. They're not supporting it out of any sort of like thinking or like what's best for the most people. They're just saying that this is a good thing because this is what they think they're supposed to say.

That's really the only reason they're doing it. Right. It's happening in every sport and at every level. And there's really no option to go around this when there are extremists who take up positions within the authoritative body of the USFA. Yep. So I have very little option other than being forced to fence. And I have gone down other pathways like back in 2023, Summer Nationals. I just didn't sign up to fencing the Div 1A women's foil because there was another transgender person that I'd recognized in that tournament.

So, I mean, I've avoided it as much as I can, but at what point do I have to just avoid all tournaments altogether because there's going to be somebody who's trans there. It's a tough choice. As you point out, your opponent had two choices. could compete as biological male or compete in the women's. You have the choice of competing in the women. Stephanie, thank you for telling your story. We really appreciate it. That's crazy. That's crazy.

I don't know how the fuck this shit happens. I really don't. We need more girls doing this? Yeah. I mean, like, the thing is that a lot of women just put up with this, and I don't think that they should. It's embarrassing that they're putting up with it. But, like, I mean, they're basically, like, you know, voting to just have another woman,

woman get the ship beat out of her basically, right? Or at least be at a disadvantage. That's it. And yeah, it's crazy. I thought Trump banned it already. Well, that's in schools. This is like a national league or something that's separate. That's not directly with schools. So Trump banned it inside of like high schools and middle schools that are publicly like public schools. But that's a very different dynamic than what's being discussed here because this is a separate event. So yeah, I hate this. I do too. And I feel like a lot of people do. And good for her. Yeah, exactly. It's insane. The winning move is not to play. Yeah. And I think that if more women are willing to speak out against this and like actually not just kind of go along with it. Because I think that's really the problem is that a lot of people just go along with it. And in the process of just going along with it, you run into a lot of problems. And I think that's what's been happening already. You have the thing there's probably trans athletes that only do mixed events and male. events and this causes disdain and hatred against those people? Well, I do think that's true. Why is it that you as a trans person are unwilling to accept the biological reality that even if you take, you know,

you know, hormone treatments, even if you get surgery, you are still going to have some biological advantages that the male body simply has organically. And so why don't you just play on the on on the mix team, right? Why don't you do that? So yeah, I don't know what to say. National qualifiers a league. There isn't enough trans population to make a trans league and co-ed leagues would obviously be bad. Well, they already said that they had co-ed events. And also, like, this is the way that I look at it. So if you have 100 women that are competing in a tournament and one trans person wants to compete in a tournament, is it more important that you do what's best for the 100 women or for the one trans person? it's the most obvious trolley problem of your life.

And also, you have to understand that, like, why do women's sports exist? Women's sports exist because women need a segregated space because they can't compete against men. So basically, for men's sports, men's sports are generally the sky is the limit, right? There's no law, as far as I know, that says that a woman can't be in the NBA or the NFL or something like that. But it's never going to happen because of biology. And so the difference is that women's sports exist by the definition of them being exclusionary. So if you allow people inside of women's sports that subverts that exclusionary rule, you effectively delete women's sports because that's the only reason why it exists.

So yeah, and there's a woman in the NBA at one point. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sure, and this is the thing, right? I'm sure it happened. But it's extremely rare. And so that's the difference. My brain hurts from how delusional this has become. it really has. And yeah, it's fucking insane, man.

It is even a trolley problem because the trans person can compete in a mixed event. Yeah, I think that's true too. And so, and there are some Amazon women that's possible. The thing is, though, what you might not understand is that even women that are really tall or anything like that, like, I don't think you understand, like, how good a lot of these guys in the NBA are. Like, it's kind of like whenever you get into extremes, You're talking about like an extreme of like one thing or extreme of like something that's like 10 times more, right? Like extremes like multiply on top of each other.

Steph Curry is 6.3? Yeah, but I guarantee you he's going to be a better basketball player than a woman who's taller than him. Because that's not the only height isn't the only vector of, of, it's not like the tallest people in the NBA are the best people, right? That's not how it works. And so, yeah, it's just, it's crazy.