Asmongold TV - xQc vs Pokimane HEATED Debate (KICK vs TWITCH) | Asmongold

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

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You're missing ex-QC's meltdown? Bro, is that still going on? Like, are you kidding me? For real? Oh, my God. Like... Nope. Is it if she'd take a deal for $10 million?

Nope. Changed the kick for $10 million contract. Okay. No. And it's not because I got like $10 million. It's just because I'm good as I am. Why would I... Compromise my morals and ethics?

For more money when I have money. Something about that is... But it would also make her look bad, to be fair, right? It would definitely make her look bad. Because, like, she went so hard against it. And then, you know, it would definitely make her look bad. So cringe to me personally. Like, I understand, you know, if you need to make money, right?

For me to do cringe shit... When I have my... I can't. Like, ew. How do I... Can someone put this into words better than I can? It's almost embarrassing. Okay.

So she wouldn't go to kick? Okay. How about, how about we talk about the, uh, the Amazon and the, um, uh, Draft Kings deal. How about that we thought about that. Or we're talking about... That's true. And sports betting is the most popular type of betting. He is right about this.

That's a fact. Um, her close friends that all took, uh, ACR deals. Or we could talk about, um, her other close friends that took, um, steak deals that gambled on a daily, which ended up, ended up using more of their audience than I did offer Gamba and actually had more sham hours on the sites than I did. What about those? Regulated versus non-regulated gambling? I mean, to me, I, is that, like a big difference to me?

Like, I mean, I don't know. I feel like they're both like, it's still gambling, right? I mean, fuck. Oh, okay. okay those are those aren't morally and ethically vet corrupt are they okay got it makes sense to me personally gotcha because it's like really the question is like if you want to because this is really what the question is right is like if you have a moral if this is like a moral thing is the regulated gambling moral too like is is regulated gambling moral but

unregulated gambling is immoral I feel like these are just both different shades of gray Like maybe unregulated gambling is more immoral than regulated gambling, but they're both immoral, right? I mean, fuck, I think they are. Sure. Regular just mean the right people getting the cut. I mean, regulated could also mean that it's more useful or better off for them. Pretty sound. What's this shit?

Have you responded to Osanax's gift of prophecy? Yeah, I saw. I saw this. Yeah, this shit was actually funny. The art really heats up when kick signs XC for $100 million. This is, he said this is a very. That's actually so fucking crazy. Like, that's his editor,

Hassan's editor, fucking Nostradamus this shit, in fucking February. Isn't that nuts? Is that nuts? Have you responded to Osanax's gift of prophecy? Yeah, I saw. The arc really heats up when

when Kix signs XC for a hundred million. He said this back in fucking February 3rd. That is crazy. Holy fucking shit. But at that point, they, if somebody say uses the fund that they have, right, a portion of it to make it a project that it's on its own, it's a standalone project to be a competitor with which why... You can't compare one person hitting the lottery to someone, not someone, to a company that owns a crypto gambling website. That's just not a fair analogy. So, okay, so since you're all about the numbers, I'm sure you know how much money they actually, people actually made off that website, right?

I think... I don't. How would I know that? Do you know? It's clearly over $100 million. It's pretty public. Yeah, they have a lot of money. And you don't understand that the project is not a crazy amount of comparison, right?

The whole thing is not, it's not a lot of comparison. It's like a fun project, right? And he's right about this. From my understanding, having talked not the train, not degenerates, actual people at the top. Yeah, he's right about this. They want to make a good product. That's it. they want to make that's great okay okay okay okay and when the product is is a

standalone from gambah and nothing is linked directly to it in whatever fucking capacity you want you that you want to make and the people that are signed nobody does gamba everybody signs to just make content and be about live stream then what the fuck is a problem I'm not trying to tell you objectively or not if kick is a problem okay I'm just saying personally The position that I hold in this industry, the things that I've stood for and against in the past, I personally would not make that change due to where the money that is funding kick and all of the streamers that it signs exclusively comes from. I am not okay with that root source and the proximity to it.

That's fine. And if someone else wants to make a different decision or the website becomes good and people enjoy it, that, that's, that. Yeah, well, that's you... I'm just speaking personally to me. That's fine. Except then you spoke for me saying I'm okay with those things when I'm not okay with that concept. The way you put it, that's not even why I was in it to forget with it. So like you can just spoke for me.

What concept are you not okay with? Oh, then I'm somehow like morally bankrupt for the decision that I made or whatever because after... No, what? Wait, I didn't call. you morally bankrupt i said this is where she implied it's an ethic stood in the past and it would be weird for me to change my stance on them just being offered multi-million dollar contract i specifically said for you you made it i mean you did partnerships with stake what you've always been okay with that right um if you think that that's morally void that's you and i and then i was also uh um

after learning and in talks, I've understood that I generally believe, and I wouldn't have signed if this was a whole two gamble operation, I don't think you understand it. I would have never signed it. Does your contract have a stipulation? Nope. Zero. Zero. If you want, if you want, if you, if you, if you, if you sign an NDA, I'll show the entire thing, right? And I'll give you the right and I'll give you the right to say whether or not there's anything of gambit in it. It's kind of fun. Be careful, though. When there's NDA, though, it means that you can't say shit by anything, which is kind of, you have to be careful.

Because I want... Oh, I didn't know that. Well, I'm just saying, I'm just saying it. That... Yeah, of course. I would give you the right to say that there's nothing, there's no game at the end. That's it. Um, if there is, if that's a truth, otherwise not. Sounds fair enough?

I mean... Sure. Oh, yeah, so then. First NDA POG. Okay. Okay. Regardless, do you now understand? what I was saying and how

it's not only that it was impersonal towards you I actually separated it in a way where it's like that does not make XQC bad because his opinion

has been the same from the start just like my opinion has been the same from the start I just feel like I just feel like if you're not in the vision

you don't understand anything right is that you know something like oh like it's about my dignity and whatever whatever about you think is because when you say oh for me more ethic for me um for me uh dignity

and then for him blah blah blah it by implication no she it kind of like it's kind of like shots fired he's right he's right i don't have those things she's clearly implying this it's how you're gonna sound he's right how it might sound that way because it is wasn't my intention and the reason i mentioned you is so that it would make it clear that i am speaking to how it would look for me specifically. And I agree with her too. That's true. Your dignity kind of goes down when your opinion changes based on how much money someone's

willing to give you. But for you, right, that should not be applicable or the case because you have stood by it the whole way through. So I don't know why you or anyone else would implicate yourself. Like the shoe doesn't fit, right? It shouldn't fit. Okay. inherently that does make sense um i think i think just the way you word it kind of implies it by the

fault so like it it kind of does make sense um no yeah honestly i thought that the way i worded it might implicate that too yeah which is why i tried to call out you as an example where it makes sense for you but it wouldn't make sense for me yeah um okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah makes sense it's really the dignity the dignity part though I feel like also I think your viewers are whispering my subs and harassing them is yeah chat don't do that maybe that could not happen that would be like let's be for real also me and X we're friendly enough that we can just hop on a call it's gonna be okay okay we can all relax a little bit that's true yeah I mean it did sound and also X I'm sure I'm sure

throughout your career there's been a lot of people who maybe like say one thing to you and then say some shit on stream like you know I've been there done that I don't want to be one of those people so if it ever seems that way let's just talk it out yeah fine enough um no no no I mean that doesn't make sense um okay so the only problem is that it's always by implication and something that hassan does a lot that's all um it does that a lot uh it's always by implication I am not Hassan I know. Well, it does not have people. And then people build this. Let me tell you, because everything I do in life is all in, right? And I know for a fact that at our points in, I guess, wealth or money, you understand that if there's not something that makes you feel fulfilled, doesn't know how much money you have, you're going to be fucking miserable, right?

And it's why it took so many months to me to consider this deal initially. Because I had to believe in the project. I had to believe that it was something that could be doable. If I had a part in making it successful and making a competitor and actually put out on top That was like super like how would you call that? Holy fucking if even even if the stream part ends up nothing too crazy what about it? I don't think it matters that much because I want to make decisions and do cool shit that's like you know it's like almost like a passion project and the passion itself I have in the project is enough self-fulfillment right that money can't buy it right and that's something that on twitch i haven't had it a long time

yeah i i understand listen dude you don't have to justify your decision to me or anyone else well i'm i'm just telling you i feel like you feel the need to and i'm sure there are a lot of people attacking you over it right now for that's true she's right about this oh no i'm not one of them no i'm saying you know maybe if hasan takes a kick deal that might be a little weird no he wouldn't even i i i already asked them when i was uh visiting a house asking people on to you said he wouldn't um yeah i'm i'm talking about me my stands that's it oh i mean you're like you're like to fucking i mean i mean i know you're kind of probably good for no like another fucking the year probably in like eight months i mean it is

what it is listen it's what it is um excuse even if you want to stop you wouldn't be able to right she's saying he's saying that she has a twitch contract and so also for Yeah, you're saying that she has a Twitch contract. For people being like, oh, you're just upset that X got the deal and not you. Wouldn't it make more sense if I wanted a deal to not be talking the way that I am? Because as you said, you know, maybe my contract's up in like six months. Shouldn't I be sucking up to kick if I want a deal? Oh, you don't have to explain it to me.

You don't have to say that to me. You don't have to justify it to be. Same mentality here applies, but at the same time, it's like it. If you're locked in, I mean, you're locked in, right? like I don't know how long your limit is um not forever i'll tell you that much um yeah i know um because i know for a fan i mean wasn't this isn't like a corporate secret like everybody knows it's it's like yeah i don't know i mean i could see why uh i mean like you watched that original clip and it certainly seems like she's throwing shots of people going to kick right i mean it's

obvious that that's what it is i think it makes sense for her to say that like yeah obviously i wouldn't want to go because like I came out so hard against it that if I went now it would make me look really bad like for sure like both of these things can be true I think it's probably just an instance of like people that clip shit out of context and then turn it into something it's not but it did seem kind of passive aggressive in that way yeah definitely when she called ex her friend I was playing manipulation bro I mean I'm sure they're friendly off stream for sure and she didn't say they were friends she said that they were friendly enough to have a conversation Pokemon is the kind of person that chooses her words very carefully.

I can respect that because I do the same thing. But, you know, if you listen to what she actually said, she didn't say that. You're missing the drama? I don't want to watch this all day. Like hiding my genuine perspective on a certain thing. Which is that like gambling is bad, right? Or unregulated, especially unregulated crypto gambling is bad. I think they're all bad.

Yeah, I think so too. What? I think you use the wrong word. because that wouldn't be dog whistling. I'm coded language. Implication. Yeah, did I miss speak? I'm lucky.

Yeah, it's just the word. I don't know what word he was trying to, yeah, maybe, but I don't think it's dog whistle. Dog whistle is kind of- I don't even know what it would be, I don't even know what I would hand-ering about. A certain group of people will understand. You want to maybe clarify what you were trying to say?

Yeah, I mean, Urchus singling? Yes, maybe that one. Not really. Virtue signaling. High roading? Please clarify. Maybe highroading?

I'll- I'll clarify, I'll clarify. I'll clarify. I feel like this whole like link together thing, I think, it's like we talk about it like a bit times and you guys keep like, um, um, it's almost like you. You belongs to the syndicates. Oh my god! Oh my fucking god.

I need to get Twitch turbo and see something bad. This is just... The world premiere trailer, now on YouTube. Want to know what's absurd? Oh my god. Yeah, I feel like I'm watching Dragon Ball Z again. It's like tune in next week. You only got four, bitch.

I have to use any defense because you have the burden of proofs on you, right? You have to elaborate on what kind of proof you have that that's what they want. Just general business deduction. Sure, go ahead. Continue. Here is, this is still technically speculation, obviously. So you're right to say that. But when I look at stake and I see the top category being like predominantly owned,

by slots gamblers or gambling on steak. When I see that the website was created by the owners of steak, when I see that the, like, some of the largest content creators outside of, like, Aden and yourself and Bruce that they've recently picked up are oftentimes, like, the most consistently sizable audiences are often going to be roulette, like, gambling players, right? So that's one reason. That's not the main reason. The main reason still obviously is that it's owned by stake, by the owners of steak.

It was created with consultation from train wrecks who was a major... People need to stop. He was a major slots player on Twitch. Wrong. And it was basically created after. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong of that. Yeah. Train. I love train. I love train.

Okay. No, this is like a train. Trans involvement is extremely minimal. Okay, and he- Well, I think at this point, train likes, train, you know, no, no. Train was like its main spokesperson. I think that's hard to refuse. That, that, that, that's relevance. Whatever, whoever acts like a spokesperson, he wasn't, he wasn't appointed as, and in terms of the whole site as a whole and how big he is, he's eclipsed in both,

in both equity, influence, size, because he's still on that else. He has equity. Just because his clips go on LSF about it, doesn't mean he owns a website. And you guys are overplaying his involvement by long shot because it makes sense for the argument. I think his disingenuous. As somebody who knows more than a public guest. I was talking about his consultation. I don't even think he's a, I didn't say he's a co-owner.

Yeah. I didn't even know the equity until you just said it. I just said, I'm just, I'm saying. Trains consultation and development of the platform. Apparently his Twitch bio says co-owner of Kik, so. Yeah. So that means by default, that that's what it means. And Tramrek has tweeted about how he's the third largest owner of Kik.

I promise we will never touch your subrevenue. Okay. Okay. And do you know what are the size by comparison? Third could be, could be, could mean anything here. And you know that, right? Okay. We're not going to argue how involved.

We're getting lost in the semantics. We're getting lost in the semantics of the conversation. No. No, that's extremely important. We're getting lost in the semantics of the conversation. I didn't even know that Train was, again, like a part. owner, let alone the third owner, right? I don't care about the size. Even as a consultant hiring train, specifically after, especially after crypto gambling was banned on Twitch,

makes it seem like the timing is relatively odd. It's a little suspicious to launch this initiative so publicly immediately after crypto gambling was eviscerated on Twitch. It seemed like they were looking for a new avenue where they could just continue. live streaming and, you know, get an ROI that way by utilizing like a live streaming platform, whether it's their own or whether it's, you know, another big, another big website that they could be streaming easily on so that they could keep driving traffic to stake. That was my, this is my speculation given the fact that it's mostly owned by stake and live streaming is not necessarily a profitable venture to get into. It's a loss leader for Amazon and Amazon is a

fucking major company, right? Their goal is to basically capture the entire market and then start figuring out once they have monopolized the live streaming space, start figuring out how to fill the inventory and start making it more profitable. This is Amazon's goal. What's wrong with that? A separate goal also is to beef up their IBS structure, which is when they go to websites like KIC or when they go to stake and steak says hey we want a white label we want a white label live streaming website

and Amazon sells them that product which I believe Twitch gates I don't know the back end of that but I believe Twitch might even get a percentage of that as well so I don't know so that's crazy I hope you get clipped and you're up on Dexerto and people are shitting on you for that take

well okay first of all I think I think if there's one person who gets shit on fucking Dick Serto all day every day. I'm getting cooked. No, stop. That's not even... I do know that you do this shit on unjustifiably on a lot of stuff, but trust me, I'm

getting... I'm getting clapped up all the time on that. From what I've been told by many, many, many Twitter users, you know, there's no relationship or benefit to Twitch for the fact that, you know, Kik is using Amazon services. Well, I think it's kind of relevant. I think it's kind of like flexing daddy's money. But that was my argument on that one.

Oh, that's actually a good take. So that was an interesting one at least. You said it's like flexing daddy's money. I don't really understand that because like I probably have shit on Amazon, the parent company of Twitch more than you have. I mean, we've had fucking conversations where I've shit on Amazon. I am the single largest human donor to the Amazon labor union, which Jeff Bezos is openly antagonistic towards.

I'm not exactly fond of Amazon. As a matter of fact, I've mentioned that when we were talking about how, like, kick is basically single-handedly kept alive by stake, I talked about how Amazon's hands are not necessarily clean either. I mean, I mean, I don't know why you thought that that was like, you know, defending daddy's money. Your warning is a little soft on the Amazon part. Okay, let's, okay, okay, let's use actual, actual adult words.

Okay, yeah, yeah, Twitch is maintained by the inhuman practices and actual life-squeezing sweatshop-like conditions of employees. Okay, continue. Yeah. Okay, cool. I mean, if you're going to use the harsh wording for KIC, use the same harsh wording for Twitch and Amazon. I have. You're literally repeating something I said.

Yeah, but maybe you just hear me say it, but I have said that exact same thing. Yeah, but just now you didn't. I'm just saying like, I'm just saying it. Yeah. I'm not saying that like Amazon is infallible. I've never said that. As a matter of fact, I want to fix Amazon labor practices.

It's probably never going to happen. Let's be fucking real. But I'm perfectly aware of that. Okay. Maybe we should all do it. I think that that's bullshit for the record. I've heard you literally defense sweatshops against Moist Crittical. So I don't know what your take is on that matter.

Sweat shops go hard. Yeah. You and I have a difference in opinion on that, but overall, that doesn't change the reality with Kik's funding mechanism being Staked. And Stake being a marketing arm, in my opinion, or kick being a marketing arm, in my opinion, directly to funnel more active users on to stake. Thank you. Like, I understand if you maybe want to compare the two, but I don't even think they're comparable. What I mean? How direct, how direct streaming and supporting and let's say, you know, working with Kik who's entirely funded by steak versus streaming on Twitch, who is owned by Amazon.

I mean, you're always going to have proximity. At least initially, you're always going to have a close proximity. That's like, that's like fucking. That's like your family. you're always in some business like farming and then and then the fucking get there's something around the idea of farming when it's in close proximity of course like it'll be like that initially right but as it expands many conclusions about where it's going and where it's going and where it's going to be right by ratio argument saying oh wait how did we make conclusions about where it's going

and where it's going to be wait that's the whole base of the conversation the argument is that it is it is made to fund gambling and it is made and it's an effort of their argument to re-react nice, fucking casino shares that they can remake some of the money on the platform. That is a big. You've just said that. Wait, so you don't think that's okay. I think that's a return on their investment, yes. That's the reason why they're investing so heavily.

I disagree in ridiculous capacity. Yeah, I disagree with that 100%. What do, well, you have more insider information than we do. So I would love to hear your perspective on it. I might not agree with it, but. If I would be. I have some insider information, but X, don't you also think, obviously kick wanted to sign you so obviously they're probably going to tell you whatever you

want to hear wait that's not really true because you got sign a contract if if if if if i had the idea they want things to be about gambah they were talking about gambah they can't lie the one i just told you gambling was never even in any talks of any kind not even not even not even a slight part of it like it's a little bit disingenuous to pretend that they don't care about gamba or that that that's not a prioritization on the streaming platform that they created because they saw how profitable gambling streams were. That's how I felt to me in terms of the, I saw the roadmap, and I'm building the roadmap, right? Everybody that is going to come up this month, it's going to be massive this month.

I'm not trying to be acting, I'm not trying to be, oh, God, it's going to be crazy. No, this month is going to be absolutely unhinged. And most of the guys that are signed have been, not only, none of them gambled. They're all anti-gamber, right? And they're, because they're sold the same impression. The owners of kick and steak are probably hoping that those viewers end up also seeing the gambling categories. So now, so now we're doing speculation, that you're also, you're literally talking for the owners and talking for, you're making outland exceptions. We are speculating, and I think this is a reasonable, educated guests to make.

Yeah. I'm not speaking for them or saying, I heard this. I'm saying that's my theory. And I'm sure it's... I'm about to move on. Many, many people say. I'm sorry, guys. Will you are revert when things flip on their side

or you can do that all the time and just ignore and just say... No, because ultimately, even if they... X, they're not even trying to profit off of their streamers. Where do you think the money's going to come from? Um, do you know something about something called tech? You know what tech is? tech overall the technology just the whole sector of tech yes yes okay okay so i don't want to be be patronizing you um why are so worried about profitability when none of this shift is profitable

none of it is like because that's what we're discussing we were you know we had the initial point that kick is probably hoping to profit sorry steak is hoping to profit as a marketing tool primarily for their crypto gambling website. So you don't think that there's a chance. Possibly on the roadmap, the point is to sign and clean the product up to move away from gambling to make a strong competitor. That's all that streaming,

done with the market, and then have profitable endeavors and aroused profitability and get there somehow, right? You don't think that's a possibility. You're completely hashing that out. That's it. You bring up a really good point.

That can be a possibility, but it doesn't change. its origins or where it's at right now. Oh, so you're going to discredit the way it's going and what's about because of what the money. Hold on, hold on. Wait, can I just cut in here? Two things was just why I personally wouldn't align with it. Okay.

Let me just cut in here really quickly. I can't tell the future. Okay. Felix, you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, are you saying that the reason why steak is investing heavily into kick, is because they want to build up a competitive live streaming platform, not to market stake or anything like that, but instead to become a primary force in the live streaming space on its own

with no genuine interest in like driving traffic to stake.com, and they're doing it in a way where they are like unimaginably unprofitable. While simultaneously giving Amazon money, like giving Amazon direct money in the form of, both AWS and Ives, which is a carbon copy paste of Twitch. It's like Twitch re-skin, basically. Yep. And they're doing this because ultimately they want to take down Amazon's live streaming market share

and become the main monopoly force in the live streaming space. Yep, that's right. Okay. So Amazon owns AWS, right? Right. As you know. And Amazon still is having a hard time, according to Amazon at least,

creating a profitable space for Twitch, despite the fact that they have already monopolized the marketplace of live streaming. There's a lot of reasons for that. Do you think that stake, which pays Amazon to even do live web hosting, would be able to ever reasonably become the monopoly force in the live streaming space?

I would turn that down real quick. I don't think that really makes a lot of sense because obviously Amazon is going to be paying the same amount of money for the web hosting, regardless of how much it charges, Twitch or Kick. That is going to be no alternative. The technology is not going to change. Yeah, they're still incurring the same cost. Right?

That's going to determine what you're making, correct? That IWS, it is the only thing and will always remain. It's always going to be like that. You're making the assumption by default that this is set in stone and will never change. technology has just stopped improving on that, right? No, I'm not making that assumption at all. I mean, you're kind of by the default. You are by the fault.

You need physical servers to be able to operate a website. Live web hosting is expensive, like really expensive, so expensive that the actual dominant force in the web service, the web hosting side of things is having a hard time making their live streaming company, which already holds monopoly marketing. share in the live streaming marketplace, profitable. The notion that stake would become a competitive player while utilizing Amazon services and paying them literally a profitable amount to be able to do this web hosting, which is part of the reason why, like, when you joined the website, it, you know, fell apart a little bit

because, like, they didn't even have the bandwidth to do so. So they had to probably increase their bandwidth. They had to go back to Amazon and ask for more. Your expertise on super capacity and initial releases and whatnot is very limited. And when you talk about this shit, it falls on deaf ears. Releases and day one stuff is always bound to drive more traffic. The same way that Blizzard, an industry leader in gaming, cannot have a stable release on day one. It's just too much.

And that is to be expected. You can't seriously be comparing yourself in all fields. On a website, which you can do on every other website perfectly fine. Except Twitter. To Blizzard releasing a game to an entire marketplace for the first. Like Diablo launch is not comparable to you. Yopalbo launch is pretty good. Streaming on kick.

The reason why I'm mentioning this is because, yes, you're right. Activision Blizzard fucks up regularly with their services. But those services on release day are fucking, like, they have significantly more active users than you going from one website to the next. Do you, for example, here, I'll ask you a question. If you, tomorrow decided to go to YouTube, let's say you got a contract to YouTube, it was a massive deal, and you moved over to YouTube and you live streamed for the first time, do you think you'd be able to effectively crash YouTube? No. And I saw No, right?

You wouldn't be able to crash YouTube, right? No, hold up, let me talk about that. Your knowledge of this is so limited since you went anecdotally about this. Actually, I want to use an example that happened that actually happened only a couple months ago. The Squid Games event

with all the YouTubers and streamers that we did on Twitch, what happened on that day? Twitch crashed, right? That drive in comparison, these things happen. And that's the same thing. It does. That's the same information.

But now we're comparing 10 to a thousand. You know what I mean? That's the difference. Not true. Not true. The reason why I'm... I already understand that. I'm accounting for you going from one live streaming platform to another competent

live streaming platform versus one live streaming platform that is like very clearly not ready for the rate limit. Has there ever been a large streamer? who went from one platform to another and their first stream crashed said platform. Wait, wait, there's been broadies on Twitch done that crashed website, yes. There's been what? There's been legend on Twitch that crashed website. No, yes, well, I mean, I mean, right, and Hassan is saying those are at a different magnitude. So perhaps instead we...

So the goalpost is moving from... Is it possible to how big of a drive it is? Like, like, this argument is not... We're not going to be in this argument. We went from... Size of YouTube. Because the size of Twitch. You can go to tomorrow and not crash them.

Wait, wait. Kick by Market Chat. It wouldn't crash Facebook. You'd probably crash Twitter because they're also not ready for the bandwidth and not ready to do massive video live. Yeah, kick is smaller. Wait, bro, bro, kick is smaller. What about it?

Like, what I don't know what you guys? Yes. The reason why I mentioned that. They can't handle it. They just. The reason why I mentioned that was to, the reason why I mentioned that was to tell you that, like, kick itself still had to go to Amazon that day and ask for more bandwidth so that they could handle one singular Twitch streamer moving on to their website with a real audience,

unlike Aiden Ross, by the way, which never crashed the website for the record. Oh, we're going to get a tweet about that on A115 real quick. Okay. I'm going to go put that account on notifications. Let's dial back a little bit. We only get one of those real quick. Um, okay. Kick is smaller.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You guys, no, no, no, no, at any point. You're, what you're saying is that the technology won't change. No progress will be made. And there isn't a point when there's a possibility. Yeah, I'm going to turn it down. I'm going to just talk about it. Then we're going to move on.

Okay. Uh, obviously, kick is, uh, is going to make money for stake. Sure. Like, everybody fucking. knows that. This isn't a secret. It's not a surprise. This isn't a wait, what? Really? Of course that's the way it is. That's what makes sense. But I do also think that they want to make kick more than just a loss leader to stake. Absolutely. Of course they want to do that. That's of course their goal. Now, does that mean they're never going to have any, like, you know, if kick is profitable,

I think that Stake's goal is to make Twitch with gambling. That's it. That's what they want to do. Like that is their best case scenario. We have everything that Twitch has, but we also have gambling. So it's like they're going to get rid of gambling, no. They're just going to have it on the platform. There's 100% guarantee that if you're not signed,

you won't get, you'll be recommended to do gambling streamers out of the five at our side. Well, I don't know. It depends, right? Twitch also has gambling. Oh, sorry. Crypto gambling, like steak, basically. Like, I mean, unregulated crypto gambling. Well, I don't know if it's regulated over there.

I have no idea, but like basically steak. That's what really matters. Other advertisers push steak off Twitch. They won't suddenly advertise at their site. Yeah, but you can have other types of advertisement. And also, it could matter the rates that they're advertising at. For example, if they're able to make a lot of money through steak, it might be worth it to take cheaper ad rate.

from worse advertisers because they're already making enough money through steak to begin with. You see what I'm saying? So stake will subsidize and the conversions will subsidize the amount of people that go over to kick. That's just, it's common sense. And Amazon also will, Amazon will not stop providing service to kick. They will not do that. The reason why, even if Amazon is competing directly against them, them. And the reason why they will not do it is because it sets such an awful precedent in the market.

Like, you have to remember, Amazon Web Services is like a multi-billion dollar thing. And they provide services to like literally probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of companies. If the idea is out there that if you are competing directly with an Amazon subsidiary, that Amazon will just strategically shut down your service in order to make themselves stronger, everybody will leave AVS. Yeah, AWS. And like this is not even talking about legal stuff. I'm talking about like just straight up like business. Even if it's not illegal, it sets a horrible precedent and they would never, ever, ever go down that road.

I feel like Amazon would probably rather, because you think like this is Amazon, okay? This is how big Amazon is. This is Twitch. okay and Amazon Web Services are bigger than all of Twitch they are fucking smaller yeah yeah

they are fucking massive Wake oh what would Wake say I didn't fuck did I Demis his message let me see user No they want Twitch with gambling Yeah exactly Without whatever regulations

Restrictions that clearly make it An enormously lucrative plenty of gambling yeah Yeah they do want Twitch with gambling Yep there you go absolutely is it the same thing samson apple arrivals but apple still use components in their phone that are made by samsung yeah that's the way it goes that's that's common sense so yeah uh obviously that's going to be to their benefit like amazon isn't going to shut them out because it would

hurt them in the market and also like you have to keep in mind like so amazon is providing web services to twitch and also to kick right so one could assume that the cost of those web services are probably relatively similar. It's not like it costs a lot more money for them to host kick than it does for them to host Twitch. Like I'm talking on like a baseline price, a baseline cost. So because Twitch doesn't get free to AWS, well, AWS isn't free. It's still costs money to run. Does that make sense? So you still have to make AWS run. And the cost between how much it makes, how much it costs to run, and how much Amazon is making from profit, there is absolutely a world where Amazon is actually making more money off of KIC than Twitch.

Because KIC is providing them a raw service that has no secondaries, there's probably no insider deal, and the profit margin on the web service hosting from KIC is actually providing a higher return on investment than the web service that they're providing the Twitch. You see what I'm saying? Twetting should be if Twitch would have allowed gambling fully would kick exist at all. Probably not. No, there'd be no reason for kick to exist. Would you moderate the discussion if they ask you?

I don't want to invest. I don't want to involve myself. Like any time that I ever do, people always try to like get streamers to talk with each other and stuff. So I don't like to force content. You know, if they want to do that, that's up to them. But like, I don't want to force content. it's weird. You see his stake is handing out a roadmap for developing their own hosting services with

better tech. I mean, I think that they obviously have to have a plan B from Amazon. That's what makes sense. Sure. Yeah, Diablo 4 Destiny players talking about season recents? Yeah,

I'll look at a few things like that. Is it much fair for streamers? Yeah, I think it's fine. If Amazon is charging full price, I'm sure they realized they made more from kick and boosted the price even more long term. No,

they can't do that. Like, again, like it's just, I think number one, it's illegal. And number two, it would make them look. bad in the market.

So I don't think that's the case. Twitch equity worth billions, much more than like kick. AWS will profit them. Twitch equity is worth billions. Yeah, but Twitch equity also costs millions, like hundreds of millions. So like that equity isn't free. Who's mad? Yeah, he's pissed.

Okay. The way he's about it right now. If in two years they switch up completely, okay, we can talk about that then. And maybe their roadmap is. hey we want to be a big player in the streaming space i'm not saying that's not the case but you can't argue that their gambling branch or wanting to generate more users for stake and crypto gambling in general is not a massive part of how they make and need to keep making money got gotcha gotcha so now it would be the bruner people would be on you to create a link between the all the signings

and all the people that are going to be on there right and and how to link these guys with gambling even though they're not doing man uh oops sorry randomly cook somebody uh they're getting a twisted where's j rule yeah i know and uh so ultimately who do you agree with bro i agree with myself because i'm right about everything i know a ton of stuff that's happening in the background uh i understand this extremely well uh i know i know exactly what i think is going to happen and, you know, I'll make the right decision whenever the time comes based off of what the variables in play are. I think it's a very, like I understand this extremely well. It makes very good sense.

And it's not like I'm a fucking genius for being able to understand this. It's obvious.