Au Parloir - Épisode #106 - C44

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois C44 (Masqué), il a évolué dans le milieu criminel ayant travaillé au côté de Raymond Défossé, puis décide de «tourner sa veste». Il fait partie de ceux ayant fait tomber l'empire de Raymond. Auteur du livre «A1 Invisible, Le dernier leader du Gang de l'Ouest», il nous parle de son parcours et de sa décision. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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You'll have masked. First invite, masked we're asking that. It's someone who has evolved in the milieu criminal who has turned his vest, we'll say, like that. He has written a book also that's not the story of his life.

Sicyco, is that in the book, in the phone, he doesn't really of him. He's not really the gang of the West. And he has worked for Raymond

Defossy, who has been considered as the king of the cocaine in Quebec, and has made part of

the people who have made Remont. Certain will say podcast of Snitch. I'm not

with the fact that we're not a podcast of snitch. He assumes what he has made

and we have his version. And I think that we are the platform ideal for

this genre of story that, of his parkour, of his angle of view, and I've found it really interesting as

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like you that's a guy that's a guy who's ruse a lot that you who

it's you suggest. I'm going to be at a podcast. I've talked a little in my introduction, in the phone, we'll name not your name your name,

you're masked, we'll understand that with all the podcast why I'm talking like I said a little bit in my intro. We've discussed

a bit out-camera because, you know, you know a certain anonymo, we understand but you have said,

habitably, you part of the infancy, and I'm not sure that we're not sure that we could be be able to

certain subjects that I understand in the question of an anima so I do you have

to be with all my inveter I'm going to the base what I'm the kind of I'm trying

to get to get to be able to get to get to be in the middle criminal to become a general

to be a person because a lot of you talk to be a tellator what you

not because you have not you not have not to have not taken after after after all

the arrest with your aid with your aid to the police everyone has pleaded of the coupable so that's not that you're not

that's not a deleter only with an agent of course but we're going to pass through that we have

the time I'm really really hot to have this discussion that. I'm glad to you

I've got your podcast impressioned and very content. It's it's partaged very hard

to understand this part of the part of this we're talking we're we part of

the base, the youngess? After having reflachy and all

we're at a age and we have to get a curious, but it's

the life. You're have been adopted two times? The

first in the dossier is that my parents have knew, my parents

fino have had of adoption. The first family who

had adopted baby, the mother that was had had done

a two days, one two We're always, we don't know, but all right. And they had a female natural,

he had not accepted that a other debor arrive at the house, so they they've been brought me, and my parents, who were people, they were

coming, they had already the benevolent in the 20thens, and they're saying, we would have adopted a second

infant. They had adopted my sister before me, the older of an other family, of a

house of adoption, and the religion, who was at the time. Yeah, because the orphanina of this era, yeah,

it was in general by the church. Exactly. And she said, well, we can't have one, but you can't

have been a other, because he's particular, and then we have said, no, the next,

we're going to be the baby who is in right of being adopted, who is in attend,

and she he's, he pleur so, and he he doesn't, I'm meg, and he

didn't, in the conversations, I've pleurred the first year. I've had tested. They won't

me get to them. I'm sorry. I'm sure there's a moment of a moment of the

prison, 12 detenue is adopted. And after the research and all, the adoption it's a

very often. It's not all the adopts that are going to be defocke or these criminals or

these abuser of consumption or of what that's the proportion is more than the population

general. I want me I want to want to do one, my mother is adopted, and I've adopted my two feet, so I'm going to want me to say. In Quebec, in

Quebec, in Quebec, but there, there, there are two shows. Now, the first, it's not like I was at the beginning, but there's just to say, a wing,

doze, personal? At a moment of that, we're on, we're going to go and say, it's, there's there, there's a there something. There's a question.

There's a, it's going to, it's it's going to, it's it's going to, it's it's going, it's, it's going, it's, it's, it's, parkour. If you've been in a wing,

it's going to go to your parkour. We'll go in your parkour. We'll go ahead. But, uh, I'm allowed to judge, not you, but the first family that has wanted to adopt. Ravit? But no, but, uh, an infant of four

has not accepted, uh, being a father, me, excuse me, but if there's an child to take the decision for a family complete, uh, in the meantime, it's, not a good option that you're getting started to

be there, but... Exactly, maybe. It's, it'd be the The debut of the first of the story is real, exact, I can't be able to

the story, that's what you have been saying, that's what I, it's a thing that's, they're just said,

hey, finally, one, it's been very in the mass, no. Possibly is,

is what I, is the , I don't, I'm, but I'm, I'm not, but I'm , I'm

, I'm not, no, no, but the , no, but, the, I mean, I'm,

I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I said, I, I, You're adopted in a very good age

and it's your children from the first of the first of your no, no, I'm I'm going to

the people because I'm doing the podcast, they know the story of my my feet, no,

I'm going to I'm going to they're they're so they're prematurated so they're so they're

getting seven to the hospital it's me that's me I've been I've been family of course

and I'm in the end upto we've been they've been they've been they've been than we

the hospital The hospital, it's the hospital is more. So, it's the infant natural or almost.

Yeah, the parents biologic were present at the hospital during the seven

first time but other that's, it's, it's me I'm going not in

the details of the I'm sure they're going to go very very very little

little cockote that are very, very, very, very, very, very,

very, very, and, I'm, let's go continue, so you have a

daughter who is and you and, we'll No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, a problem. A good family, can even?

Excellent. Two humanists, professor of university, my mother worked at, more than region, Montreal? It's these

people who are originate of Montreal, but my father had had a post in a university in a other town.

Perfect. And so, we're demenager. But, at the start, in the first time

that I've put the avion, it's in 19963. And it's right. Save that I was

a baby. I don't I'm not I'm not in 62 in 603 it's not my

my parents my parents have been to live in an other country in Argentina and I

think I passed three in Argentina so my first language we were

French in the house but to play out in the and

I'm speaking to speak the Spanish my I'm

so I'm I passed three three years of those good parents, not these super

calen, proche, coleg, but these super good parents, generous, if we can say that. It's all.

It's all. They'd hard, who had a percent honest, proff. And the school,

it's how primary, secondaire? Yeah, I've changed to school often. I've

had three years of maternal, I'm all the first year in Argentina, second year,

when we're We were in Montreal, and then we'd transfer to the new job of Papa. So, three years of the third year I'm the first of the time

that's what you're that's going to say that it's going to work. You're the boss of the maternal I know how it's right. Exactly.

They're not no to play. It's me the Oji of the place. So it's it's you're

you're to me rememorate I don't even of me I mean, I remember that in 5 or 6th year, I had passed a week to go to the school.

And I was at the house a midday, and my father and then he'd be in the bonner, they're going to be it. I was going to be a little bit of a good man, and the school had been,

he's not been this week. I don't know why. It's not to try to go, I'd go to the school, but I go to work. You're doing, you can't even at the school? You'd adopt a good with the group.

Yeah, yeah, I was always, at all the secondaire, later, I'd with all the gang, with the potteau, with the sportive, with the joe of cheques. All the world

me knew that, I know that, I know, at the school you'd say, my name, but, oh, yeah,

but you were not a tannan, you had not, I'm not always at my co, but I'm not a talent, a tanan,

any violent, but you could do, do you know, I'd derangeed not time that's in class, but I've

had a record of the year of my year and I'm pasted. It had more

more than I had more that's often in the court, but no, it was all the

second day. I have, I'm talking, my my sister had an

friend that I had the pot that I've never made of that for that

for the for the chom for you and for the chom let's give 20

$5.5 to buy a little sack of pot. I'd want $15.J. I'd own vend to $10 to $2,000, and the $5.00 I'd never consumed. I've seen a lot of drugs in my life. I've fumed the pot two twice, due H at 16, 17, 17, and I've never,

I've never, I've seen, the colds, there's not tons of coals, but some tons of hash, and never, no, it's not, I'd buy do wine, I love the wine, but when I'm having. You know, I've got not

a parkour that's not to be made to the middle of the middle of what's the what you

do you're doing? I'm talking to talk about to the prison would say, well, it's a good

thing that you see, and I'm curious and I'm the film of Woody Allen

he's always for to know to help to help you can you can get to

I'm I think to that and so I'm pose plenty of questions. The moral elastic, the elastic

is a certain things. I've always been important to pay these impos. A moral Elastique, I've always paid my

impo, but I can pass at a coast to a certain point for certain like Raymond to say it's

correct. In the game, it's all it's not, you know, you never to someone. My elastic

is not there's not to make there's little mizzeries to sell the consummator that I offer the prohibition the alcohol is illegal

but all the people want to buy. Is that the pot will be legal a day? Well, yeah, so

detourn it's always has always made part of me more or but I didn't

to go. A certain liberty that it can be a part also? It's

often more of the when I had been obliged to volle the history

complete at a moment I'd keep in a point in a little resellerer and I

had a man who was very very far in the buchew in the old

and the year and it's the most the great the

of New York from to New York from he'd come and he had arrived the

night with two chadier by plen at the foundry the

foundry I've known the property he all It was a part, but he's part of the job

Dettet, his father, he said, You'd have to remance the scrap. 78, he's at his own studies. Seventyneux, he has never latched. Today, it's the most gross company. If you go on the internet, you want the price of lor, it's at his time.

I'm like, I was this guy, that was in the middle of the art, and I'd poste not too of question where the hour to come. But 90% of all the people vending his own, you have bought some of Brazil, in 70, 35-piaz

longs, it's at 240 10-pies long, your chain that's the money

you've got to get to pay a lot of there's a lot of we're trying to live in this moment

the price of the price of your your does that I see I'm a

man who's they're they're doing it's shit you know we're we're doing there's

you can't you can't have to you can't I'm there's a part it's not super

it's not super It's not so much. But it's because even when you're a good deal, it's a very, it's a

right of today. And it's it's just on the way because you've just mentioned

a bit more replace me No, no, it's just because you're you know,

Remon for to try you, when you know, but when you talk

to Raymond, you talk to, Raymond defossed. I'm I'm his name,

A1, the Invisible it's the book, I'm not in the name

to know them, but to make know it. The view is really, I've known it's a

grand man, he would have been a general of the army, but he

has chosen the part of the crime. I mean, I say, and I say,

and I would say, the grand criminal of career for power

to get these gross business like so, you could be president of a

great company, you know, I'd say, gerry a, a,

a, a, a, if you're not going to be illegal or legal, you've got to be a bit of a few years, and you're going to be able to just, I want to mention it because you'd say because, you know,

your story is a lot of your story is a very related to Raymond who's considered as one of the most gross traffickers of the Quebec. There's what I explained in the book, it's the gang

of the West, and it's a little Quebec who has been the last leader of the gang of the West because he's chosen by Alan Ross, but there's there's relatively herited, but he

had been good, that's it's been he's been he's been when we're going to be when we're

we're talking about just because we've known just for there's just for the auditors there are there maybe

there are just focused on because we it's the time of all the remons so we don't know

to know that's the there's been there's been there's a part of of the year,

of what you that you that you plunge in the milieu that. I was going to I was going to

have to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to you're going to get to the west? 17

and it's okay. So what's your second year? No, I'm went to

the Segep I'll talk about a long time and he was the first pen of the first

pen of love I've left the Sejep after 15 years and it's probably there the moment

decisive where if I had continued to Segep and I had to university by the suite,

all would have been different, but I'm parted in the west. I've known two,

three bomb, I've I've been the buvres of acid, a little, and I

would have back to time and time to Quebec, and I had my name who had an

lot, and he had a fond of he gravited around to him, and the

guy, and the guy, he came present to my We had made the Bias American contra-fetched, and we could

get paid at 30 cents for they repassed and all right. And I said, yes, and it was his uncle that but his uncle was in New York.

And I'm never to have any other. It's a cocaine-a-man, it's a guy who sniffed and he had parted, he had already

had a whole dope to a little young in 20thens, a little more than I, at this time

at this time. And I said, Yeah, yeah, and I lost my car of credit, I lost my card of credit, I said, go to New York, you're going. It's a big card of credit at the time that I had gained in traveling in the West and all that, and he had made

a 30th of $1,000 on the card. He never, he's never ever seen if it had been just an arnack for this point. He's parted on a balloon with a blonde, and they're put to flobe, and when I've seen, I said, well, you're going to roll it for me pay,

you're going to do something. And I had also a contact in Toronto, uh, you know, it's a lot of a lot of but in a bus

he could have to be over to get a $40,000 piece of and I'm saying, so I said,

go, go, go to do you go and you go and you go to pay your debt, and finally

he'd not, and he had said to the cause, and I'm not,

I'm not, the day at the day, he had, he had, you know, he had, you know,

you'd not the mentality of, you're going to be me pay if it's, Of what I've

learned, Raymond was Carrey, but in his men, one of the guy that's he's grown

like me, but there's a person than you're than you. But you're not your mentality,

I'm not a mentality, I've met a in Montreal who I'm he will know it

and he will be known, he's got the gagnon the lake that's called

banana that's a surname and he he made he made you know, you're not,

you're trying to do, the restant to the restant of the Joe Foote, he was a criminal and he was already in that, so, no.

So, it's like, it's been to make do you know, to do you. For remorce, time, that's a card of credit in the phone.

Exactly. In my head, it was the night, it was not the hold-up, it was the night, to open the

coffee, to start with the time, I mean, I said, I would the government, I minimized.

Because you vole just the government, you don't know to be afraid of person, because you menace

not, exactly, there person the person there. We're good to minimize our proper crime. Exactly.

It's a one of a day a friend he'd always the zone of police and I'm and I'm going to

get to say, hey, you have not seen that, there's a woman who had been in a face of

the car came to enter, it's been it's it's chocked personally personally

I had made a because she had returned at his work and it was at the

It's made the puire in a coffer and a coffre and it said, it's

it's it's it's when you know, okay. It's the

little so it so that it's so it so it it's that I

thought that I thought and just brought down we're there

she she had really really shock physically physically like

so it's it It had... Shocked, too, too, too, too, and... I can't say that it

made want to have made this year, because I didn't, but I've been reconsidered, but I continued.

But the pot of gain was more allegeant than the feeling to know that there's

that could be stressed the morning in 40s. It's more the business than the

pay the pay I'm not the I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,

I'm not, I'm always that's for sure that you part of a business, it's a bit, you can do that, the pot of the gain illegal, it's not really been a motor,

it's more, well, now I'm going to, a moment I'm getting in a row, so, well, I'm, I remember of a moment in prison at Dona,

and, well, time that I'm being, made, to be put to a bureau of post, and the first the first time, that you were

for that, it was for that, it was for a bureau of post, he, because he had had already had a hold-up and it's made

on through through the electronic. You're talking about you to do you

and the surety is made on our case and at the sort of the office all the

hours are coming, the foot at the head, they'd be able and we

don't, okay, we're doing, it's been brutal. It's been the first sentence?

Two, direct open. Direct open. And it, it would It would very well for the people who are criminalized to say it's not a lot of 90, they've

tried a wing medium, a wing max. Yeah, it's that, because Dona, it's... There's not, no, it's that, today, it's, it's a maximum. It's always been to maximum, but for the maximum. It's always had to be able to have not far to functioned, and then, well, the discourse of prison in that. But, so, and I've made six months,

three months, at Stinville, in the attempt of process, in prevenu, and, well, prevenu, and, and, well, and, prevenu, and, and, and, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, sentencing the time to start to start in the time to get to get

a minute, I'm going to get two months, I've got to six months eight months, I've not did a lot

of prison Dono, Drummond, CFF. But you're at a age, if you're

not been very old, it was a couple of that you did that? Comanced at 17,

not the penitentiary, no, no, I think you've started the voles to have

28, 29, No, I'd come out. I was going to start. Oh, but I thought when you had started to make

the bureau of post, I thought, the U.S., that you had had used to but you had a little bit, you were coming

when you when you started that came to the card of credit, I thought it was when you had 17, 18,

18, yeah, okay, it's happened to happen too late. It's because we're like surrote a

one 10 is for that, it's for that, in my head, we're still, okay, okay, okay,

okay, okay, Okay. The return, but I returned in the West. I'd pass it kind of a few years. Okay. And I'd revened some of the winter. Okay, so, so, it's all these stories, that, it's at the end of the 20th. And it's what, you know, for a guy, you know, who's going to the West,

who comes, and then, for a first time, you're in front of, you, for a, you know, a young who is already on primar, skipped the school, and, you, you know, you'd have a lot, so I imagine that you're a guy who he was freerant to his liberty? Not time.

Okay. No. You do with what you do? I read my sport national

is turning on the page. Okay. So, there was a good bibliate. It's

had been short, not so long than that. The world is what you

and what you're just firmed, but I didn't have been done. You've

been very Well, well-viqued. In the street, not from your, there's a lot of your own, you know, that you know, that's the second

door, and he's your chum, and you're well, and you're not, he, no, he, he, yeah,

it's done good, and you, so, so, you know, your job, your things, and I, so I've

made, I've been, I've been, you've been, you've done a couple of good contact for the

out of, I've applied, it's a little an little university, but not

the school the school of that, not that's the good contact or not the good contact

but it later is in the years, now we we're talking, we're

back, return, and the police when he said they're always,

you're a bureau post, your partner, it's be bebe, so it

has been long time, who's who bebe, I've got no idea, it's, it's the

big valour of the bureau of the Quebec. You want to know it, you do with do you know, he doesn't. No, he's not. He doesn't not. And

in 95, I'd be in double, appertained with BBTC. Okay. All right, now, I see, I let's know, you know, when you

do you do you have to be to be in prison, your parents who seem to get some way of this milieu there,

university and all, they bring that how their father's that their father's to be to be in prison?

My father, he'd always, we look in front, the error is made, we can't be able to the we're looking in advance. My mother,

it's been a grand shock. My son had been good studies university, and had been professional,

all the all right. I, the young who want to embarked in that stuff, they think

never, but if you say, there's someone, there's someone who has stolen your mother, he has

you, you've got to to do it? But you're When you run in the crime, your mother, she can't say what to say to what do with his friends? What's what you do?

What's the fact of, it's really the honor of the family, the hond of the family, and he's the monogne who has been in the prison or he's never a good choice. When you're off at your first pen, you do you do?

It's where I'm saying, time that I'll do it, I'll do it to do to the end up and I'm going to be a criminal. I said that at this moment that it was before to have heard the

family on the radio, I didn't know but I'm doing that. Yeah, I was in the beat,

well, the time I'll do it do you do it, recel, and at my level

of the elastic, there should there have to have the money to all, and so,

so I'm resorty, and there, I've continued in the recel, and in the bureau

to the business, then I'm back a bit financially so I'm I've never made a lot, but I've never

been in misery that I'd have done a lot of your life for it's not no impo not the entire of the

but it's not but it's not carbure at the carbure at the that's just it was not

it's not it's not a minute it it's a it's a for living for you to decide

it's you're doing that you're you're just that's so you're just that it's that's so it's that's so

it's not to be a big shot crime in the crime. You know, it was to be gained your pain in doing that. And to not exist ideally for the police, for person.

Now I've been discovered, but the police had been arrested, I had done so it was made, but it was not the view, it was

not far away to that. It was to be the most incoenue possible. But we know what

never, and we don't see not tomorrow, so it's complicated. I've not been super

good, I've been doing two or donate because it was not these vans, it was a don't, a guy who

was made for a nisery and he did that. For so, for so over the game. The people who think not,

everyone defossed that's about, we've seen, we've seen, we've seen, the process, the chief of the parains of

the mafia who delat, and the game, it's like that that's like that that much, we'd want to people would be

the world, and the most honorable to do that, well, you've got to 50 pi in the car to your mare,

it's not honorable, It's not because of pay the beer to the day where you have been, so if you would have to

be able to everyone would be able but it's not really on the game and that I've always

I've always been conscious of that you did give and it but it's gravity

in so pretty that I had not in the drug at that but that

but the famous guy at Montreal that there there was there was there was

there was you could be on to come to Quebec, you could it would it would

be interested more or more, I'd stay to stick these bureaus and where the resale

I've been in the people, everyone said, oh, well, he's got to

to get to get to and it, and you started to make a name at the moment

that if someone had some of he said, he said he said he said that he said

in the way, when I when I'm when I talk to when I'm that you're

exactly, I had some, And all that, and the people, because I read a lot, and that's, the advocate of Bolpen, it's to me, yeah, but the detenues come to me see, the criminals

would be, yeah, but I've done to, how do you can't do, and I've ever an coffer far, I saw how much, I've been able to, and I said, what, the point of FEP, and all, and I've got to have to be a house. You're the conciergey, juridic, and, yeah, but if we're doing it,

give me a problem, let me, two jobs, and, you've got to the regla. They're legal or not legal. We're going to look at how it function and how is we can... A way to cross-soyoye and a bit the system.

Exactly, exactly. Or to use it. The second time that you do you get arreter? I think it's 80, 10, 13, 15, and 18, I think it's the four, the four

arrestations. 13, it's still a bureau of post. 95, there's there's these manda posts that there were these manda posts that I wanted in Florida, there's a guy who said to invite me these mandatopause, I will

be able to pass here, and all. And I was going to have arrested with the mandatote in the car, and it's where I made in cellul with baby. The second, it's that, it's the bureau of post. But you're not a bit

more, more the first one, two, 28, months, 36, the last, and each time I'm not long, a few years,

you know, you're at the time. And the last pen in 98 me had given two and more a year on a provincial

and we've done to be the most pen, but it's there that you're still in front of long time.

Exactly. There's there's been the vacations of July are coming. I don't if he wanted

me nais and he'd I don't know if I was The Guardian, it's I'd say, yes-man in prison I'm not, I'd derange not the world It's not

It's not, you Atmane, you'll accept? Yeah. So, like, I'm in my life, for going to my life, it's what I do,

at the occasion, I'm playing, I'm playing, I'll find my shift, I'll resort, and it's, it's, it's

part of the game to the game. Just what you're going to be the best of time possible, two agostation. Exactly.

The more of a lawyer. And I don't against the guardians of prison. They do

their job. It's the people who have never had never had a problem

in that in prison? A clack. Okay. Poor guy he is mal

to fall to me, but the guy that was a card of credit, he's

parted with a girl and they're parted on the after the girl has changed

to chom. The guy so the guy was in the same time than me, and the other, he had given a clack at the other, and then he had crossed in a wing, we'd all right, all the two sent out ofona,

at Oursinville, and he received a clack, I've never seen, it's often the sucker punch, and the landmine, we'll go to Palais, and in the bus, he's got to attach the man

goche for having the right, and he's sato at the front of the bus, I mean, I see, I'm to see, I'm afraid, I'm not sure of anything. Boom, it's all right, and I received two, three clack, and then, you're still content of him, because I was the friend of the other, but technically,

the other and his blonde, me'd be 30,000. Yeah. And I was arrived at DonoConnor before him, and there was also an friend of me who'd know that all this story,

and there had a monsieur that's called the Misch, I don't know if it said something that's just said, you know, plus 500 livres on the bench. Okay, a good monsieur. He went to 17

for voles of a car, and he's a three in a great monsieur. Okay. My chum

arrived before me to know, he's the story, I'm going to the guy who got in a

knit that came down in the wing of the mish. He had done dure, two, two,

and we, we, we're just on the course, and then I'm there, he said, he said,

said, he said, he said, the mish he said, the mish, it was the The Arbite, Ocosm, nupie.

Margey. Person and never he has Ackroached. A guy who has done his respect, not necessarily of the mayor of the fashion,

but he... No, and that's... Especially one of the three, two contracts in under and one he had

not by error, but he would not just this guy, that's a good guy, so he was not on the interior

of the we're long time, he was the he was the little aged the Misch when I

was arrived and so. So, the guy he has done at the job. But it's the only... It's not you who he had made the demand it's just that

he's not. You touch not to the world I know. And we, he's crossed in the course. When he went

with the Misch, so I said, you know, there's not a affair? It's all right, we can't do you have to

all the money and so and it's clear, it's regled and then, yeah, I said, I don't even

to hear any to hear the I'd say, I'd be able to the Misch he's me regard, the same

thing that the guy of Montreal there's a call, he's a bonn, I'm in a

question, but no, I'm not my way to, but I'm going to get a

lot of that's the only clack in my life, is it's a bit for that's a

guy like the , you protect because you're that's a guy

that's in that, he's that's that's that's that I'm not,

that you're not sure, to, we're in your in your in your part of

you, we're safe, we know, that you'll have not a trouble, you're not to be able to

do you. So, you're kind of a certain respect of your if you're doing in the middle

that you know that's not that's not that's not you're in the way of you're doing you're doing,

you're a guy fiable on your affairs there were no, I'm I'm not much, but good

when I when I chate when I'm it's a general, you it's just it's ironic and we're

because I'm I'm attend to all the comments in imaginable I'm No, no idea how many the word snitch

will be written, a podcast of snitch and all that. I said to time, I'm the story of the person

who I'm interested. Is that I'm if I'm agree? My, my book in the podcast that

is the way I'm repete at each debut of the interview, I endorse not the gestures,

the terms used by my inveter but it's but it's your but it's for that you

know, you know, the most the part of the part of the fact you're the part of

two people who who don't snitch, we'll say, who don't do you know, I've never snitched,

a part for Raymond, it's the only but it's the only way, but it's the operation we're in there's,

I imagine that we're going to get after your arrestation, you continue can't even third-

arrestation 95 parted, B.B. Tessier. Yeah, that's what you knew,

B.B.T. T.C. The B.T.C. The Bureau of Post. The, the, the,

the, I don't know of Canada. I've seen recently that he deced a 601 years of I don't know

he's dead young and if he he'd not more he would he would open a

door with a door and he brings the front of case and he's it's a natural

it's a natural but he came of three Rivier his first partner to voile

to his man to say Raymond defossed okay it's the first partner

to Raymond. Raymond was to have arrested in 2012 for the murder of an informator

in Florida. He has five a partenet, it's the record of Partonet, five years

in extradition that's he's been to get to get to get to pay the

minimum, but the five years he comes in 2000. But in in 1995,

Remon, he's the king of Partonet because it's Raymond, it's the partoo-y-yed, and

I met with jazze, he'd say, I'd just have, just a good partner, and my reputation, and all that. So, we're in a wing, he'd say,

Reim, he'd say, Raymond, he'd, was in one other wing, but when you parted to go, on the door, to go, the hour of the sort, when

you'd say, Ramon, hello, hey, see, Ramon, say, Raymond, around, Remon, Arrette, Reim, it's

his first, his first, But, Bebe, he has stayed, and he has never changed. Raymond, he, he has graduated

soon after. But he had, he had, he had, he had, he had, Bebe, you're a man

of the past, it's his, it's, it's, there's a person who's chew to be a baby,

and the baby, he'd say, hey, Raymond, look, new new, little partner super clean,

fume not, pre, not a drug, and all, and he, he's no. Remon, part,

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he'll go, he He'll come down in 2000

Yeah, we can you see who? Yeah, he's who will be, we'll see, we'll

be, we're so I'm going, so I'm going to see, I'm going to see how he found, but you're in

the middle, in a gap, in a little gap, that's, that, I've started, I'm,

I'm going to I'm in fraud, plus, to do, do you, and I have , and I

had, some, and I have, he comes, and he he's in war, at that, and he has been to looing these apartments for these stash of arms,

these stash of his guys, these things like that. He's in war against who at this moment? He's in war on war on who, he's in the first mom who would be able to do it. Because, there, we're talking to stupfiant,

of high-nive-level, at this moment, Raymond, it's a... The people who know, if you know, you're not, it's so, you've done your research with a bit, you'll understand. I think he's the royal of the co.

The royal of the... It's his own, it's his own, it's the king. You can't also to be the name because he is decided the year last. Exactly.

Because in the book, you say, you know not. Exactly. Even if it's clear, but you know it not, even before that,

you'd nomate, now that you're decided, you're to permit. And as I had started to say, it's really, the public

of Quebeccoe, all the policeiers, all the criminals, all the people see who's the people, the public, the public,

no, who merit to be recounted. It's rare I use the word

merit, I don't for this word but it's it's not that's

a lot because it's a great people, there's there's there's other things

that's the book, it's really to make the great story of that. I

I'm in the 70 Duny Ryan the first boss of the gang of the West he's

in Colombia he's at perfect you know when it's a good timing good place

at a good place the more the most producer Dony Ryan is Chum Selle

Matix Proprieter of the Port I'm never to quit it will return We're, there's not

verification in the 70, there's not nothing, there's not, there's, all the, all the,

so it's so it's there's a container of many people, there's been the problem of the drug,

too, that's had could where to make that, it's been what to do with that, he has been

by a cave, I, in my life of criminal, at the moment of the food,

at the moment of the time, I've crossed a lot, on a guy who's a lot

a little my partner for the years he had been more aged than I'm he had known

Raymond, young, he had known the cha, he had conued Monica, he had

worked with Spoll-April on the gun in the 70. The show, we're about Chamblas

for the people who were he, he had all they had all of he knew,

he'd he'd and he had passed some hours of water to just to me

to make Comte, George Lemay, he also, he's not a film, it's a man in a new, there's plenty of people like

that he was all right, and the gang of the West, Dooney, you'd out of prison, you'd have

been quite your time, you've had been to start with Kremont at the end of 2000,

but to write to make this book that you've made after that after.

I didn't after. I didn't even not that's, I didn't, I've been the war of the

motor, because I was at the exterior, but I'd know I was in a Quebec, I know a

other guy at... I don't know when you're in this middle of the long time it's sure

that's... Exactly. There's... There's... I know some people, there, these

people, there, I've had done, I've done, I've had known plenty of people,

but I didn't know the desue of why, and the gang of baseball I thought that was very

very impover when the murder of the guards of prison are coming, that's it's not,

it's finished, it's a cab. That's it's a better than

it's a and I'm mentioned the great megalomans of the life

finisimal and in 93 Pablo Escobar is dead but Pablo Escobar there had

an army of policiers corromp the the name that they gave the

gunmen a motor and all the Respidos I I'm

the No, it's a bit of the language. They had a army of a million of people. He had made the edifice of the DAS of seven-est with a bomb

enormous. He had to be a plane to kill the world. And when the system democratic,

social, the society is made against you, even if you're a army and you're a million-dair,

they're going to be able to be a bunch of, he has 15 little bomb, he's said, me,

I'll change the society. I'll just he's just, he's the worst he's the worst. He does that 95, 16 when he

came to see that the most rich of the more criminal that had an army of an army

he said, he said, me, I'm going to be better than you with my 15 bombs.

It's the pure stupidity. Mom, it's a consumer of a co- it's a paranoiac

a megalomate. It's just zero-intelligence. Not a a person that you put in your

particularly Her daughter, I've seen, the reportage that his she has made, Ellen, she has used to me myself and hey, you're going to do that, we're doing something,

you're going to do with my message for to get someone. It's her face. You're going to do you. You think to your old, you're very well-pressed, I'm going to bring my figure. For him,

for him, it's all jettable. She said that she has been very critiqued, but the invitation had kind of launched because I'd like very much

it's like with the reason and she has reason to have reason to say she can but the

openure of the eye, he has used that he he has amed, yes,

he's he had him of love like his I'm sure but

by that he he implicated in his affairs it's that you

know that he's that's it's and for Tews to do you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, it's all the malonite,

I mean, in my head, it's not, so, so, so, so, so, so, the mask, if there's, there's, at the end, the end, the end, the end, to do that, to, you know, because he'd say that the police refuserser to negotiate with the people who had to do it,

and, finally, basically, well, they're not not, because it's like that, it's made, exactly, but, you can't think, to be more than the society. in his plan and it's been in court and that's

the judge and say you Michel Oge we're not we don't know you know it's no no no

I think it's a also a lesson to be a lot it's the they're all they all they're because he

has changed the law the law the law of gang cirriss it's it's mom boucher

so he has made change the it's a country paraddiac for the Canada but now

it's more It's really hard. It's changed many things. He's he's a paced, he's his patch in a dozener. It's really the worst example. Don't know that.

You'll get, you won't get, the kids. We're going to come on to you. So, at the end of 2000, he's called. He's called.

And there, I'm to work for him. And we're we're the same well, we're the good-jour, that's Raymond, when he when he's always

of good-humors. It's the sole guy I can say that's more more than I can't be able to get more but he's an hour

more more than he's a guy that's always a good good that's always yeah there's not

the moral, maybe not the moral yeah there's a good difference between the two because to have the moral

and having a moral it's always he's always he's always he's always he's the moral

but effectively the moral he is kind of it's a man family with his family and that, he may not risk.

Which is, I believe, the case of the most of the people I'm all the guys I know who are,

who are who are that they're very deep in the crime, it's the super good pair of

family, the protectors, the last they want to their children, it's exactly what they're

not in the life, you know, not it's often, I'm often, I'm, I'm,

yeah, what you know, of what, of what, of what, to, what you know, of what,

you know, to say, you're, you're, you know, you're specialized in the faux-papier, this affair that. So, you sound a little of pre-ten-none.

It's sure, a pre-ten-none, and loo, looed these apartments, on my face I put a faux-none. So, and I'd remit the key after, and then,

and then we'd do it for six months, payed an advance, he'd be done an agent, and it was looed for six months for not to have to have never seen

what he'd be in the apartments, the apartments, the parking, a packet show. And, he'd come to me to be able to do

if he could do do you do that? I had a chum at Quebec who wanted to sell and all my friends

at the time person knew he said that he was always you mention not, you don't say you don't

be always I'm always never I'm saying I'm he was present a couple person but I have

I remember of a chum with who we had made some we have made some car caches

yeah a yeah a part and I had I was a little independent that you had a

person who had no, no, I didn't know, and I was not, I had not to contact in that and it was,

you continued to do you to do that once you had to come to work that, it's a recel, and the bureau of

post, and these things, and you did just the things for him? No,

effectively. Yes, it was a rather than, he was not the pot of the game, but all my

men were, and he said I don't know that I'm not that I've done other things. Hey, we've seen tell commerce that's a clip automobile for not it's a

brossar, the coffer is a little sort of that's how we can do, so, so I'm still active with my little gang. So you're supervise again some of the jobs

like that right? Exactly. You'd help the guys to mount the coup in in the phone?

A bit, he'd me to demand some. You'd have a cut there to that's, I'm in

I've done made also with 2016, 17, 17, 18 I had these two partners

with who we've had done, they've got to continue. There's no reason to they're not

to get, they're not they're not going to you know, you know, you know, you know,

is that you know, that's a question, or you know, or you, I think, I'm talking

sometimes, I've seen in the podcast of the person, you know, that we're that's always

when we're in this milieu that and the now you're saying if I'm not that

I'm in I'm in maybe maybe also the trill to defunce a cough

you know it's an instinct trill that I'm not I'm a tolerance

superior than the risk so I'm I'm not I'm not I'm going to search

largear I'm that I'm that I'm accept to take to take it's not

a great trill to to not be to not be taken, that's it's

always the work after and after. But is that I'm that

had been a little mode of life, that's that's that I could not

say, I hated that because I had not the show that I hate that

so I have not good question. You never agreed to you didn't, you'd

never to say that, and effectively probably so. So I was I was there

That's what you're That's what I'm a minute We've got to be a bit of And so It's what I'm It's what I'm Yeah, it's what And there's

There's a person who You know, I'm just a colon, I'm a colon, Yeah, I'm I'm a colon, No, no, But, you know,

It's true that A guy, it's It's for 15 years You know, You know, I'm too Sudey, I'm too Sudey, I'm You know what,

I'm too Sudey, Yeah, there's There's people Yeah, you know, Yeah, no, no, no, but... I'm doing... For that I'm... For that I'm...

For that I'm asking, you... Yeah, effectively. Well, uh... And, yeah, I... I can't say that... And, at that, well, I had a secret. To have a secret on the other,

and then, and he'd say, hey, you know, I, you know, they're in a guy who's... There's a guy who... How man, he has said that? Remot who? How many? He's...

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm... I'm... He has not done so, really. You're going to nizze. Okay. Hello, Cedric Bergeron. I'm in direct to Moe in studio,

and I'm in a few seconds to talk to our more old command of star, who is with us. We had two, three, three, million by episode, and he was there,

and sincerely, if he had not been there, I don't even if this project that exists again, because they've really helped

financiallyly with this project and I'm to hear them and it's for so that I've made that I'm compare my

and there's a lot of people who me say, hey, you talk of an Affair of Assurance, it's what? In privy, the people, I'm going to tell

to you know how it's so. So, compare my prime, he's specialise in insurance, vie. So, it's some of the conciergey in insurance life who have, for but they're

no, case, refuse. It's their speciality, no case refused. Because when you

get a certain age, a age, if you have a dossier criminal, and if you've got a disease like a cancer, it's

extremely hard, or quite impossible to have an assurance life. So they're

they're going to have. If you're questions, you're not sure you're not sureable, you think

you're not assurable, contact them, they're going to have an assurance life. It's important

for not to let your in the need when you can't be there. Comparate my privilege. There's

there's some who are inventing some of the people. Just just just to mousse a little.

I'm they sound to something. a little chained some guy like, you know, because he's big you know, you know, and so you see. And it's just a period two and a half, three

years, people don't know nothing, there's a lot, you know, he's been surprised when the operation had finished. Well, no, he. But, you know, an ingranage,

you know, if you're there, you know, we've talked to, you know, you start to collaborate with the police, there's been 21 arrestation,

all that, don't remont, but, you, at point what you do you know, there's not to do to what, to make come down to

the world at the moment where we're in the story. In 2000, I started

to make some of the thing. He's pay me pay you pay him and they

they demand these things to more. I've been to get to a

chish and he said, it's at a little to get to get to get to

get to a little later, but it started to come to make a

some a bit more to conduit runner who do that, but because

I'm of confidence and person who know. And when I was they're looking to get

to get to get to get to get to a carmion louis to someone who's

come up there, I'd come down to they're coming, he'd give me

give the clays, I'm back in the camion, I'm back from the caskoot

I'm at a demi kilometer the caskote is more bad and there

I got my start for embark on the 401 I'm in a lot of a line

in the line in the carque black louis mow and it's anyway,

the OPP PPP is in the OPP PPP is the sort of Quebec of Ontario just for

mention to the people provincial police and then my crinietan turn

I'm on continue the first first shot there A little bowl in the vent, I imagine, who is, who's been

chatuier a little little bit. Well, it's a bad it's a bad, it's a shan, you can't,

you can't, they're over the door, he'll open, you know, you can't it, you can't it's not

it's not, but I'm not because you're not because you're not because you're not, you know, if there's,

if there's, if there's a bus, if it's been to put, he can't keep, he's got a

a hundred, but if you're five, five, five, five, The list of, it's it's a bit of

it. I've been back to Montreal, no problem, I'm going to keep it another story.

So I'm running there. It's a continue with Raymond. He me demand of the

good ideas for to catch some for, I'll mention in the book,

made an entrep with a mur that's amovable and that it paris

not, it's things like it, it's it's I'm around and with Remon.

You're not his broad, but you're a good, you're a, how I'm, you know, it's, you know,

in the mafia, I don't know the film of the family, the consignere. So, it's a good conseillier,

in the phone, you know, I'm more an out of a concier, he's not any of my no,

okay. No, no, but I'm, it's him, it's Mr. he's all, he's all,

he has the experience of all, there, a turn-o- -a-marto, he had a There's a pair of pinces in his kit, there's. There's a lot. There's a lot.

There's a lot. I'm a good pint. And I said that he never demanded. I was presented to people and some things. I was in the hour. A tonne of hour, it's at the time. I mean, Le Cache, I put it to give it. I had these guys who had that. We've dealt with these affairs like that.

So it's... It's very rare that I'd give them the advice. But he could me on demand

I'm in my reputation. Where we could you be able to me to be a place for you?

We're there's going to put it to make some that's that's

that I had construed I'll mention it's for five tonne

that would get in the port we don't rendez we

we're we're we're a place, the first the first the first

the first that I'm the same a little a He passed the journal 5 tonne 16 in the park

So in the night He had seized The 5 tons That I'm And I'm on It's like to It's like It's a budget

Five tonne It's like You said You said You said That's a guy You know Maybe

Maybe not That's At a At one of the Aftermody He's He's He's part

He's He's always He had always He always He said Hello How's Hello, how

It's You're You're You're You're You're You're When you

When we When we When we When we're We're In fact, he had, the 6 o'clock

at 11 hour he had fined a bad at one he'd be reparty several million five tonne, five tonne

of Hache Yeah, okay. But he rests that at his level, from Doney Ryan,

and all, the world consider always you pay to pay an advance and when you go to Mexico or

a year and that no, the money has already there, there's

there's there's There's so much of money that's vire with his partner that we can oh,

we'll have and make you it's a we're going to we're in it's a arranging on the

there's there's there's just there's the money to distribute in all the people,

but all the people he's confident it's really his name he's he will

he will re-fair something person to find to find out no the guy

he's done it well no but in because it's not paid

or cartels. They're not... They're not... They're not... They're not... They're not... They're not... Like,

in all the business, there's there. You make that in the purse. It's so. The guys who come these first deal,

well, they have to they arrive with the cash, and there's there, there, the experience,

it's the experience. But at this moment, that, it's the only time where I've seen,

the most down, we're saying. And then, and after to which moment, because that you said,

out of camera, then you had even replaced for a few weeks? In 2002, there was the prenton

2001, the operation that the SQ had tannied to come, they had been to

that, in 2002, around of March. And he doesn't, they're the game.

No, no, it's the gang. The elves against the the rec machines, the rock machines of Quebec

were to Ramon. It's an other So it would have to be – Raymond furnished all the world. The Italians,

the Lels, the rock, the other Bessick, the co-rented in a major party by the gang of the West from the years 75-80, it's all the importer.

And those importators, the Italians have always a capacity of importation. Yeah, the Staling, it was still, it was he'd rentra the plus. So, so they'd profited

to that. He'd their vended, there'd never no problem. A moment, he has one of the things he said, we're four in Canada, and we'll change there's no problem

for us, we're four, we're four that, we're four that, we're four that's the gross the stock. Yeah, because there are always, you know, there's a,

but, you know, he's going to get a, if the other want to start, 100 kilos in a year, that's right.

Exactly. And they, they start to think, to the importation with Mom, he wants to bring the

control. When the arrestation of Raymond, in 92 it's there that mom he has the idea

he comes he says if the he's not there were there's a gentleman the gentleman

the little if the if the he's not I'm remorse their business but

they don't they know how they're not they don't not the contact they don't

they're not they're not the the book is a 90% and it's

all right it's all right but romances and what I say, what's probably the gross,

he had the capacity to say to Pablo Escobar, if they're they're going, no. But, but, do me the people who are

always more of information when you're in avant, you know, he's all he knew a lot, and these

things like that, so they don't even to that, but he is arrested. And he is arrested for

murder of an informator in Florida, the three first days of the arrestation of Remont, criminal,

all the avocas he's he's on the chair electric mom, he has had

the idea in boy we're we're able to he's to look the bra right

to Remont the peer soldier to remon he said there the little there's

me that you're me that's you're I'm the soldier I explain it's literal

that's it's right in the life it's the same he's the man

of Remon the fan of Remon he called five five times per day

ten times per When Raymond he would the telephone to know he'd because you

would have because he didn't, because he'd because he he'd he'd he'd

he'd he'd be able and B.F not the name it was a gross

he went to me make a conference a conference a call a conference at the point when you

had to call you had the people had the people were you could say you could do you

could make a year you'd a year you'd be who? Mom, you touch in a poel of the head of my own,

he will come in my two hands. The war comes, the day that Mom has made these menace of BF, Raymond will have called Momm to he say, I'll tethered my boyfriend. It's there that it had all

to be the rest of the day. So, Mom, it's calmed. B.F. by the Council of Remon, he had called the President of E. He said, you'll have called your rota, because we're going to we're going to enterer.

It's a lot of, And in 1994, and in 2014, there, we'd see that he'd won't know his extradition. Now, it was long,

all of that, and I don't if you're in the context, if you have the same, 17, 18, 18, it's the

peer drug, the peer coke at Montreal, the people cut it with the name, the famous phrase of a film,

you're in, your h, buchance, and you're not on. That's right. The powder of neon

had been mixed in the few of kilos that they'd because Raymond had been there was all organized

the shimans had even not even not to be there but it's not much it's not so that

the show it's so that it's where the coca to come to be very

to be this period that the and they're they're going to have

wanted on the the Mexians retry the Colombian went

everybody wanted their proper stock so Raymond 's it's

part-att-in-year-old, he would have never been 160 more. You know, when I'd hear of the people say, ah,

well, that's perhaps the war that's an instant, there was there. There were Mombuchy,

who had been a megaloman, and the ensemble of his own work. The first trip that was coming

when was when was when is that Raymond had come in 2000? You know, who has

done the trial? The world don't know that. It's the more grand. It was the guy

who had had been the big control for the long time, he had been he paid

more than he was a super gentleman. You know, when your shornon is gentlemen always

more than that's the same, I'm really, I'm really, I'm not to get a moment

where, you turn to your vest because you talk to this guy with that with

too of the good, and at you're you're you're that you're

to be to be the the police me make to just

Because I said I had said, you know, you had been replaced, it's sure, he had parted in vacants, and... In 2002, there was a American, he had always his avocas. Before that, he had a policee of the GRC.

Now, there was a doctor? What did you, there was a politician of the GERC? In 2012, the chapter that's called

Anus Horribilis, it's the year old, and it's real for bain of the things. The expression comes to the reign in England,

because 2012 has been a big problem for her, but I'll reprehend. Raymond to be arrested. The agent

that I call Conrad without not a name, but you do you do you

make a time in his bureau at Ottawa with his service, he is suicide. There are

people who say, the GERC who received 10 million per year.

Okay. He was the director of inquiries to stupefian in Quebec.

That He was in the... On the payroll of Remo. I'm going to the West. The Allen Ross, it's sure. He has encountered Raymond. I said that, yes, in the book.

I have not the proof material, but... If you do one plus one, it's done two. Exactly. The logic is there. The fashion that Raymond was probably

policier, there had some methods of army. He was really good, Raymond, for all these things. In 2002, you said that his The avocas.

The avocas say, the GRC has levy 150 mandate, so we think there's a

print in 202. Because there had a year in the great rasea. So, he's called at 6 o'clock

to get me to get me and the morning, the night, the night, he said, I'm going

to be a little time, I don't know when at when I never, there was not

no way, he had not the printt in 2002, he had been seven after, and during

the seven that's me that's me that's my did that job. I collected his money, I'd like to and he'd put it, and he'd say, where he'd like what, but he

wanted what, but on a relative penury, it was very rare, very dear, so he'd It's easy. It's easy to gerry, it's not... He'd say, if a tell or a tell, in a, all the one was able to import, at

that, he had not just him, because he he'd sort of in the damn, and he'd be the same cartels, you know? That's so. And at this moment, I'm going to get these affairs. So, it's at this moment that that you're well conscious

of all the functionment, I imagine. Yeah, it's a lot more but I'm not even all, but much more and it's there where I'm viewed by the GRC. Okay. No, I feel that.

It's who, that's this style, that? Yeah, so. So, like, there. you're not conscious at this moment that

I've seen I'm going to when I'm saying when you do you do you have the option to say

no return to the return to the time it it's not I've been correct

you're not you're not you're not yeah he's not yeah he came me

and he's this that's that so so that and you do that so I'm

I've not I've not I've not I'm not that's that's so it was my

and it's it's all it's been it's been back, but it's where I responded to

the telephone when the guys I called, I had got to get to get two telephones

one for him for there, there had no, there was not there yeah,

it's it's BlackBerry it's at the beginning BlackBerry BlackBerry was, but we

had each a flip me and for that he had said that Just when it's it's been

two hours of the afternoon to call to call an or two to be able to

for verify or he's he's never served as far for. So these two telephones are due

to buy or not in a boutique. It was complicated for the police to find

these telephones but with the associates who could be able on the

listening to be I'm good, so I'm like, I'm the agent

of the agents of the GERC on did no he copy and he is not because he knows his voice he's almost

he's almost he's almost he doesn't have been there to listen and he's a voice to but the expression and the way the way of the way to get it I'm close to

he said after that to his return I'm just I'm distanced a little bit and the surety

my call me envoyed a message for an history of fraud, present to you to appurtened. It's not in an state of arrestation but we want

to talk to talk to a nizzer of an apartment of my co-oote that had not with Raymond and there.

The two guys live, I'm at the second end of the cell and and the

other rent and he he'd say we're saying we're we're both we're past the grat

you're sitting with us you're in the grate and we're remorse and that's really, you're going to come up for a long time. In my head,

they're still, he'd say always that, they'll have they're going to they've been up for three years, two years. At that,

the spirit criminal, there's a, there's a lot of me, but it's a long time that I've

no fun, I'm not, yes, I'm done, yes, I'm never wanted to be a criminal young,

I've never, so, They could sort, you know. And then, in the conversation, he killed the world. They had seamed the grain in the front. And they don't depain

a portrait that, you had not of him? Exactly. Or you'd beauled the face that you'd dutte well, but what, it was who

and what he did? But not the murder. I've not, I've not, I've not, I've not, I don't know I've been not seen

like that and I'm saying when he's still in the court of the United

no the accusation has been it's not because you play to play at me

at me but it's by the but the game has changed a

little later we're not we're not there but it will

change radically um so I've I've I've my

opportunity to to start of all that. You think that'd have been just...

Oh, yeah, you can say, you can say to say, okay, I'm,

but I'm not other revenue, I'm not other, like, is I return to

the school, I'm doing, for pay my school, for to be a other, to do you,

is that I don't know, a little commerce, that I'm not, I had not, I had not vision of

other things. In the same, he'd pay you as an agent source? It's these be good contracts.

So, so that's the opportunity is there. We've talked about about the game, is that you know a bit or you can just I can sort of? At the beginning, he's not, they're saying that,

but he's not, we'll say, we're not, no, no, he mentions, you know, that, you'll have, there's an advantage, that we'll be able to offer,

and all, the return behind the mur, is it's frere a little, or no, I don't, I don't, no, no,

but because he's menace in saying that, that's so. Well, no, it's where I'm there's a lot of I'm talking to

I'm talking to I'm talking to I'm talking to I'm sorry it's a little after the last after the last I've had set

I'm right but maybe maybe it's a It can't It's more It's a time Yeah, it's The first time

The first time You say, yeah, it's ordinary but I'm but I'm after four times you make the time

and even if you do you do time It's just time It's all the call list that time That's right It's a time And then

And then I have some we'll don't know in the part of the family

but I'm there's there's other things to do in the life so no

there I don't know that I'm not that it's not that I'm that's I've

a lot of a lot of my life that I'd have been over a bit of a bit

brach me to get to get you're not you're not because you're an alien

is you had married? at this time that I've never demarried I don't

I think it's I think it's I think it's but if you want if you have the

I've had the surname of ticket because I have lost my permit I'm like I'm

like Montreal Quebec 160 180 okay you have the piece

peeper and and then you you're you're you're you're

you're you make your two hands on your He's on He saw the

John Oh, you're a guy married I'll have no trouble You're They're in

Confiance I've Saved I'm It's so It's really I've always I've never

been married The hand On the When you You're When you're Ponged It's even

The same It's even It's even It's even It's a It's a Like a guy It's a bit

A guy who Possible And it's A bit A bit of Airt of Luneette And it's

not need of lunettes. Exactly. The appearance of, but I've always knew the policeiers

he rest stressed, they're getting people, they're never, they're two men

on the hand, if you're playing, and they've seen, even if you get to do

after, if you're with you partage your life? Yes. And if this person

was not concerned of your environment, of what you did, or? No,

it was all the I was also at the exterior of Raymond and all the immobiliate, in the flip,

in the things like that, and it functioned well, I'm doing the good years financials

and that thanks to Raymond also and she she said, she'd say, there's

not, it's finished, and all, because she had, she had, she had, she had,

she had, so, so it was, it was, it was, it was, she, she,

she, she, We say that. Is, is they always, is they have an instinct? Is he,

is he pass by the because it all right? Is it, a sentence when you're in couple,

the people realize not that, but it's a psychologist who made explain that, the person

receives a deye, your mother part to work the morning and he no revient

It's a void the night, he is dead, he's deced to work, it's an accident to work

but the person he's, the person, it's a death, so that this person had lived

some of the because I had been a few sentences so it's really extremely

hard what we have to live to people around and that I

wanted I've had had had Probably, Probably, perhaps. Okay, perfect.

I suppose. That's not that. I'm concerned. Let's on you, I imagine, that it can pose in a balance also,

to want to want to want to be in a moment. Yeah, let's say, in an option familial,

it can be part of the things that can make the pot in a balance. Exactly. So,

when it gets approached at this moment that, you, you're you're, you're thinking

a bout or you embarked Yeah, I think of it. I think of it. I think of it. I said to Raymond, well, he went to me to have to be. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's what? It's what he wanted? It's a lot. Then, there's the first time that I made to Riemont. I said, oh, no, it's just a fraud for an apartment that I had lured and gnazage, and they've been sneezed, 25 minutes for a reason, and all that.

I'm parted to be able to bebe in Ontario on, it's not a bureau of post, but it's a a little cough, and I'm to have to stop, and I'm afraid the baby to save to the arrestation. And then I'm in Ontario

and then I'm going to do you know, I'm going to do you have my avocat? GRC? Yeah.

Uh, come to me see the surety? You said surety Tentot Tantor the guys who

are going to see? It's the GERC who were engaged. They've the surety

they've been they've got the message by the surety. And it's the squad reginalalmic, it's the ERM at the time. So it was an operation, the operation Calvete. Okay.

I don't mention not because I want that the people face their research, but it's the operation Calvette 2004. And so, so all the world is implicated in that, you see. And it's one of the operations that has had been the most articles of journal that's passed free, free, but it's one of the most operations that had in the crime organized or Canada. But, people know, it's always because it's Raymond.

You know, we said tantal, you know, Well, if you've had your wife also, and then you say, well, you're just a moign to quit, but at the same time, I'm not going to

do you flip the immobiliate, it's going to come even being. Oh, yeah. The path final, it's, it's not to return in in the day.

Well, it's like, there you do, there's a, I'm ready to, I mean, the most of the world

who are, who are the people who are going to do, it's the reason principal in general, it's for to save

the time or to minimise a sentence no, it was a tentative of a vote it would have

not been a girl but it's but with the dossie that it's a multi-ricidivist

in the vol, so that it's sure who can tap their and the

last time even if you've put a two year, it's that's

that's the that's well, well, well, well. So, so there's

that when you don't know the card at the at the you have reflected,

you have not I don't think long time. No, one of the night and then the last time

and I said, they're going to see, they're going to see, four of Montreal in auto,

I'm going to get pasted Toronto, they've gone to get one hour, and they are reparty.

And there, the processus the processus is long, and I'm what I saw, what I

saw, what I'm after, is that they had two cheval that they had

talked contrarymon. It's me who were who were chosen in

the bootling, but for long time, the GRC would not want to do. It's an frauder. The frauder, we can't control it in

court, and it's not it's not good, and he's not not good, and it's not not good. After,

the operation, they were happy, they were all the promotion, but at the procession, the processus

before we we're coming to talk of the so, yeah, we, we're we're in

it's a big battle, and we're not pretty, and I'm all right, I'm all I explain the operations

policeire, how it's function and all that's after the moment you're talking, you're still being at a

question of the arrestation in Ontario. I'm liberated under caution because it's a tentative and the GRC has made

nothing, they don't not talk to they're not not paid an law, they've been to presented

I've had a liberation conditional after that after that I'm going I'm going I'm going to

plead culable at the tentative after the operation with the avion the avion of the

gyrt and we're going to go to repose to repose to repus they're going to and they're not put

a sentence because I do service but but they're they're never anything to they're never

the last thing that's not the last thing illegal I'm going to continue if you've got to work with Raymond

for accumuling yeah but more the law to do that crime so I've not refaed to crepe and I'm

it's a scalpel it's chirurgical these operations like I think I'm out of I'm a question

to ask you question to be there's a mask, they're making the micro and you go and you

want just to know yeah yeah yeah yeah and I and I'm

it was I was that I'm reintegred they've been they're they're they're just

So, can you do you have to jazze, five minutes? Well, yeah, he was reintegrated, he me reprie,

and then I'm 10, 12 times, and other places, I said, if you're reintegrated,

it's got to be reintegrate, it's just and I'm never available, I'm probably I'm probably to get to

the telephone. Okay, okay, but that's that, okay. Not more. Uh,

and even not, I think, no. But you, Hey, that's how, you, Chris, you're mickeed, you're in front of someone to grow who can, if you're doing, you're mad?

Yeah. And you... And so, how do you... He has frapped far, proche of the micro, the first time, and we've changed the micro after. But it's a lot of risk

more than the medium. I'm there, I'm trying... Is that you... Is it good, the... No, but not just the stress, but the principle of... You tryy someone that you've appreciated,

To see, to look at their eyes, it's trying to do, I'm going to say, and you're trying to do. I'm going to say a guy that's a lot. The day where I'm out of the day where I'm out of, no, it's finished.

I'd never have, nothing recommy, not ticket, not to just fill the limits. You're at least with your when you do you do, you pass on my mirror, you're very al-aise with it.

The man would not be criminal. The world no, it doesn't, it's, it's a, I've been one. You're an, I've been one. It's that?

All right. And it's some of a few choice for a packet

of reasons. He will long time to have always, it's a great word.

But if we can, and I had also to make the evaluation that he had been

at his top. He had had an agent of the GRC, he had

all of information, there had an army, there had all

there the cartel very, very pro. So, there was

that, and in his team proche, he had even more

his soldiers of the other, it was a much more more, it was

almost his better now, and he had not me

the more criminal and his organization it on

going on the end, I precipited the end

but no, I had out of crime mentally and I considerate

that it was a good thing to do. And the 21. That's that you get to get

the information, you transmit of the information. The way that works just for it's just for that you're

there. It's two years. It's two years. It's two years. For the 18 months

they ramase the problem when it's the GRC or ERM and they are precise, they're

point you, they have an objective when I'm embarked in the operation. Yeah, but he had, he would have, he would, I'd say, I'd have had, they're saying, they're all right, no, we're on, we're still, we're

there, we're They're, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're not, they're, no, because we're, because we're, we're, no, no, but we're, we're, we're, you know,

so, it's, it's, it's, it's excuse, it's, it's excuse, it's, it's, it's not the GERC, it's, it's, Between criminal, you'd be arrested by the municipal or by the SQ, plaid, you'll see they're going to make these errors, you're going to have

to do with the GERC, you'll try and find a deal. I'll search an deal because you'll partra not over the same. And they're the other, so, 18 months of an inquiry, he accumulates the proof, the last six months, he rent a ten-timore, he just corroborate the proof. Mandey, what's the past, the year-past, just for the fun, you've taken the vacants of the year-past, He had clued his circue, after clue, I'm out of three times.

And, he had other places, he wasn't, he didn't really not, he'd not really not, but just as to come to confirm the proof that they had accumulated for 18 months. And at other places, they were others, they'd say to all, and I was the man of Raymond with those who knew me. He me said a lot of confidence to serve as in November 2, because he would never think that. All the world

me said they're accumuled So the last year It's just The St. God

It's not me who's not me that it's not me that's not me that's not me in the operation Remod's

all you the operation complete because it's a guy who he's the guy who has made

the most of the guy at the he had made some he had made

never said the error and he had made the old Ulrich Mueller

he has made some reason for in which they had been able to make the spot,

everything, it's just for corroborate the information that they had it's just that it's a cooge to

before a before a judge and a jury we're, we've accumulated that, and in plus we have an

source that has confirmed via an registreement that he had well and at this place at this moment

that at the moment that that he said that's so, okay so if there so there so if there

if there if there was that there wasn't, your testimony to the information that's not not been

not I'm not it's a it's a way to be deadouaned of what you have done to be more to deal with

you know no I'm not no I'm not I'm correct I'm correct with what I have said as you say

it's I'll say what it's so he's so he's when he when it's when he's

he's conscious that he's the day one he doesn't the whole one he And he, at a minute, he said, C-44. It's so. He knows my own to shoot.

It's fated, it's regulated. And it's correct. It's the proof. It's like that it's like that. So, there are 21 arrest at Assion with this enquette. Twenty-one. They all pledged-coupable. It's for those that we said,

Tantor, that you're an informator and not a deleter. Exactly. There are three things. The little informator of Rue, who receives a 20-pies and he calls the police oh my chum he's going to

and he's going to and he's going to get to get there's a little and they're the little bit and the little bit you're doing.

There's a lot of gang and they say no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to

get a lot of that's a manned, that's a lot of that's the delatter that's a delater. That's the delater. And they finish

by having by having a contract now by after, they're coming me to be they're offered

a contract, I signed a contract, an agent so but everyone is a delator and they're

saying it you know, you know, that's the good contract, is it was quite

interesting for, you said it did it to say, it's not to say, is it's enough to say,

I'm not sure, because we have to gain of the contract of a great of a million

of dollars, you know, at the time we're in 2004, I was the big that the

agent that of the GRC had signed, after me, there had had been

the who had a million but before I was the big contract that

they had signed and it's not a million but but today

now I'm to get to gain to get how much how much it's

going to have to make a house because she because she's because she

just descend after that it's complicated, the contract it was not sufficient but I'm not

cheap to Okay. So, so it's that it's, so it's, it's, it's,

it's procre some good years, many years. At the time, you, because there

also you get to be, it's been, it's an protection, no, well, yeah,

the, the, the, the attempt of the process, just as as they

decide to play decupable before all, all, all the so-

to the GRC. What do you do with to do with? You're a apartment?

A apartment to get to get to go to get to get to I'm not in the

exterior, I'm in my life normal, I go to me promen, I do my

epiccery and that I have an apartment complete. He me pay

again a per die for the is the people are the people who do you

see also? We're keep that in the No, no problem.

No problem. And at this moment, the day where they don't play the coupable and that I'm to do, I'm going to

I'm part of Canada. There's a moment where you have to be a contract in the contract in the

three months. It was two seven and a three months I was at Montreal at the GRC and then

you're at after the restation after the restation of September that's it had been about that two months

my handler there's an handler, it's the man who's the owner of the source that's always

at the way that's like it's like it's like it's like it's he he was he was

he was he had worked for that the GRC me preen me prent more than more than

we've seen a good line at that and my handler oh it's what's made what's

he said he's done the contract he has done the contract you've been a million mort

It's one of the most contrap there's there's a generalists who have got to

have been $500, and the pick it's $200 $1 million

but it there's more more than the other, there's more

more than it's it's illusory and all the people know,

the the GERC they're not there he's he said he

had paid if it had been there there had no reason or the

possibility and today he is deced and there no there's

no there's there's there's there's still in that's not necessarily

I'm not not necessarily could have someone who would be able to make a name

on your head yeah yeah I'm sure to say you say you

say you say you're you're you can say to pass it's a street

creed yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and and that

you deal with Well, it's your style of And so, I'm not In those, I'm not in the bar No, no, no, no, no, I'm I mean, I'm saying, Trouve someone, it's

It's long, and it's They're not They've got to find Alboavin, I think, They've got a money The police, and they've They've made a recompense on him, and they're not

And they're not doing, And so, along, he's in Quebec With a blonde, a guy and a few, you know, I'm saying, But when you're a criminal, your business is vend the drug

and get to remastered to get to get to to search someone, then you pay for and you're going to get

to the other board, and it's the time that you make for a point. And then you're

not in detail, but of the way, you know, you know, you're here in this moment

promotion of the book, you're not, no, no, I mean, I mean,

more, I'm more, more, I'm more, even more, I'm more, that's more, that I'm

much, not much, not much, not much, I'm not, I guess, we're, we're,

but, Entroth, you're here, the thing for that, there's another thing, you're there's a lot of here, but we're going to get in our camera, and I think

for the tombien, as I don't want to give, I don't know no, it's not it's the one of my view. And it's what your objective

with this live that? Well, it's that the history is more than nature. What we want, the divertisman,

the films, it's, it's more than nature, Well, it's more grand than nature. He has adored his family. He has always been married with the same family.

His children, the vener, it's a grand tom on the wrong side. The bus is to make know the story of this story. We have not, we've glissed, but there's a certain

gallant. Yes, Gerald Gallant. Gerald Gallant, effectively, yeah. He's killed 28 people. In the arrestation, when Gallant is arrested, He'd say, in 74,

I'd rather man, Open, and I'd and I'd encounter Raymond O'Fosey. He'd had more than nature. All the world of him was the general of the prison. Because he was on the side there, Gerald Gallant, he was.

And he'd say, it was, in 1714, Raymond O'Fosey, he had 24 It was the king of the king Gerald Gallant had to be

28 people the GRC when Geral Gallant semi-a-tab they've wanted to he made to

Raymond 16 of 28 it's Raymond the boss of Gerald we've made a film

on Gerald Yeah I see the grand boss of and I think

there's three four four people all the rest is all in the

gang there there there's it's it's it's it's not

No, no, but I'm I'm just I'll corroborate. Raymond Boucher Marcel de Merce who have been accused formally, they've participated in the murder,

participate after the murder, to be caches of decarred or demembered of the corps with Gerald Gallant 12-14-year-old of 100tham. Raymond, in end-of-line,

the GRC, they've wanted to make 16 of the contract, he has never done other things than paid or

don't know the contract, they had not the proofsufficient, he had pleaded culpable

after the years of the endermoement at six. There's plead decoupable at six,

there's 20. The guys who have participated at these murders, they've

had been 14, 15, he had been 20 for six contracts. When the

the GRC C is who he was, he, he, he, he,

he's, at At least 16, it's what the GRC has been deposed as an accusation the day he was in prison,

he had to his third, on the 13th, on 2-3 on 2-3 in 2004, the Operation Calvette

had had 13-on- of course, he was on the court to gogene, oh,

Gerald, we've given the information on May 16, it's that's finished that's the coupable

at 6, but he had been the most sentence of the world that gravite around the

GAL. They all It's had many I have to have been I'm in

having to never have these 12 years that I've passed in the crime I regret

not, the I'm going to the way the way I'm there's a

guy that's a guy who I'm a guy of bad yeah I'm

you you're talking with a I said I say

a lot no no no no no the good moor. We don't glorify

not, we respect. No, but it's that you're talking with the respect and of respect

and of humanity. Yeah, it's more this part that, is you regret this move

that, to have accepted to all that? The choice is made and the GERC, the Sabe

the first time, well, then you will let's let's be the rendezvous

he is done, I will be able to be to see a tell endro,

three four years I'm you know a little paper in my hand I serve the

I'm I'll give the GRC I'll give the info when it's the time

I think he passed three years when I decided that no I don't I don't

the paper if I I've been I've been I've been it's finished it's finished it's not

you're you're doing with this decision yeah yeah yeah to be

to be to be I'm saying obligated, you know, you see, in the world, as we're saying, in the world of Canada, is it you do you do

by choice, or because of that? By choice, I've always I've been in the south, you pay two weeks to pay two months

to know where, you want to do ski, you pay two weeks, and you live in my head to me.

And then you get your life today, you get to I don't know, I don't know I'm not sure I'm not sure you're not,

but, yeah, it's not, it's a lot. It's all, the high, the book, it's all the book

will be able, there's there's the things that that's that's that's I've been to

some things to see, we'll see, because it's that you don't know that's the

book, that's what you're saying, the the suite will be obligatantly it's,

it's the history of how it has to how it when the world

all the diapason of one something that Dooney Ryan the importation

massive the murder of Dooney is an error Alan Ross he reprimed Alan Ross in course

in the States when we had to go in Florida Alan Ross was already there was arrested

in 1991 5th more importator and trafficker of drug in America in America

of North Alan Ross it's like that is like the FBI so it's really

More gross than what the people think. So, it's really, I've made the story to 92, Anusory Abilis for the gang of the West,

the year fatal, according me. And the next book, it's 193 to the war of the Hells,

the war of the motor that's viewed to my court. At the point, I knew, in the period

after the arrestation, where I was at the GERC, there are there are these guys who are going to me

I've told you. I have an anecdote of Raymond who jett the day he'd discoverer the number of telephone of Raymond, he chute it the telephone because he had his contact to the GERC who... He said, he had told him to the number. He said he was cocky and all, and I explained that. It's an agent of the GRC at the retreat who told me that. He had been a operation that has never existed. Personne could have to talk.

Me, I can't have to talk. The agent has been on to talk. 99, 10, he is under-in-key. But, but person knows. In one interview at the radio

at three river, there's a guy, the police had been to be able to do you

know, he's there's some of there's many things. Cameron DeFos

has produced a country a people don't see that the

Rade F, a car, a $15 $15, in

90, he was in 90, he was in the money, it's

there's money, there there's there got to $6 million in his

car in the time. That's... It's... It's... Exactly. We're in

the photo in the book. There's a photo. And if it's on the internet,

Rayde-F, R-Y-D-S-F. The Ray-D-E-D-F. And it's... Is there there's a demand for the

second leave, there's a process of the book? Oh, yeah. It's like, the history is in my

Yeah, it's relatively... He's 500 pages, but I have two stories in that. I've done it, I'm Doni, I'm 75 to 84, 84 to 92, the next will be 93 to 2004. There's been...

There's been a lot of, because he wanted to search the information. You've collaborated with some journalists, the enquiteer, all that, for to write this book?

No, no, I... I've made reumines, I've made my research, but I've been talking, and I've been quite of things that... I had talked to Raymond,

I had been close of Raymond. the associates, I've seen a packet of things that I don't at the point of

that I'm that you'd think of a after you do you know that's a that's so that's what

that's all okay, it's that when he was that that's a exactly there's a

exactly. There's a one thing that I didn't not that I had applied after the publication

of the book, okay, the agent federal of the GRC he is

to Portugal to meet Samir Rabat. It's very. He's going there. In my head, it's not this guy,

it's the the most the most high-placed in the case, he's in the other country,

he's in a career and the career and that, I don't know why he's going to have to be

a story, on the chapter 13 or something, on what he is going to what's what's what,

and I'm murder in this, of a agent of a mossade. That's it's about the

10% that you It's not 10% It's just that It's just that It's just that you have Because you say that's 90%

The list of You have amalgamined A bit of the truth For it's a It's a good Series TV or a A good film There's a

A lot of When a mom has made A BF I know I know And it's true It's

Bing, I'm not the words exact who They said I'm a I'm a dialogue I see that But it's

very proche Donnie Ryan there are two Ells Matt La Crosseer Superbe a good name of Ells Angels and the curate

so Matt La Crosse in all two Els that they're each one on the 100,000

hey we're de Heads we're kidnape these children and we'll

say that we get to we're he'll efface our debt three

three years we'll have to live in three that's not the family

to know. That's a story that's a real, that's a story of that's a so,

so that's that's not a bit of talking about because it's so, you're the story

of the other, but I imagine that in the second time, I'm obliged

to be there, because you because you have part of the history at the

2000. Exactly. I said, I said, it was who he had arrived something in 90

where someone had proposed to to get rid of the berries in the river, but it was for Remon, but I didn't know that it was for Remo. It was an other guy of Quebec

who'd gravite around, so it would have done it like that, but I didn't know what I was doing, and I didn't, and I had not been at that, but I had made some facilitation for another. At the moment where you've made a trait on the view of criminal,

is that you had had an envy of return, opportunities you've you've seen in a place you're doing in a lot of you know,

if you're going to run in a place and you know the automatic the click, clack, clack,

yeah, it's it's free very free there's free the view the real reflex are

there, but the interest is that, but I'm I've always been on a other

court, when you're an entrepreneur in life, you're with problems, you regard what you

work not and how it's because I've been because I have been there,

yeah, the reflex are there no, but no interest, or an envy, no, no.

You don't know no. The need is really in the marred and the appell would be there.

An example, I mentioned that someone one once, in prison, a guy he said, I'm saying,

I've never quaited. If I have to do what to do you, I'm going, I'm going, and when you're

at Montreal, you know, at the time, you choose one to choose one and two, and, me, I'd pay it always

when I'd when I'd and when I'd and a sign and the other debarthe, I'd, I'd like,

and a minute, there's one on the road and I'd give you to do, and I'd say, I'd say, an affair,

I'd be quite inquieted, but I'd never voled. The contrast is there. The contrast, I,

I'd quen't, I'd never, I'd never, I'd ever, I'd never. The honest they exist, you're rendered malpriced, and all

I'd ever be able to do you. We'll be able to be, but you're being malprey, no, I would, I'd rather not. I'd never ever to someone else. When I was in the

recel, I had an friend who had a pilot on the St. Laurent of Bato, who was super, a good salary, and that, and I had

a video, the new VHS super at 900 p.m. At the time, the years, and all you'd Would you, I just pay it $175,000, I'd have it $2.25,000.

It's an enemy, and all that, frankly, if I pay you pay a valour, I'd invite the vallers to come to us to. No, I'd never I'd say that. He'd save $600,000. No, he'd be honest, it exists, there's plenty. When you're in a day, and the citizens, all these crossers, no, no, no,

you're my aunt, Madeline, who did the pantof at Fentek, it's never anything to volle, and it's not a crosser, just, and they pay his impos, and the people are honest, A grand majority, you have of the criminality,

it's there's not a other man for the instance. And then you've

chosen your for the rest of your days. It's great. It's

he's so, it's good today? Yeah. You're really? Yeah.

There's no. Thank you, it's 44. Pleasure. It's it's... It's...

It's... Well, , you know, And honestly, I I don't know how it's percy. I think that I'm afraid of

the grand public it's very because it's super interesting to have this angle that I'm saying you're not the first criminal

that I've received who has changed to be the probably not you're the first you know the first

you've said if I'm there's just that have been sitting at your place who have been probably

because it's very mal view. But, you know, and thank you to give this an over

the medal that, and look, those who are not who are I'm saying snitch.

I'll say, I'm going to I'm saying no. It's right. Because it's, you

it's, you'll say, you know, you're in masked, it's what you're doing, you'll assume,

and that's a thing that's a that I, I respect the fact that you assume,

and, you know, I mean, I've received some, these lives who regret their gestures, who have paid

their debt and who assume, you have done what you have done, you have done every bit of

episode, I'm sure someone who I'm trying the liberty of expression. It's your history,

it's your partour, and thank to be new to be us to share sincerely. Pleasie.

I'd I'm 5,000 page of bonbon. 500 page of bonbon There's even

some things that the criminals if they will learn they they're going to

it will be there He is It's available everywhere, not much. Amazon. The bookinbeck.

com.ca, it's good. There's in in a little library. It's, I've got to do you

not, I'm not pre an editor for the protection. You're in contact with my collaboratrice you know a link

direct Amazon. Click, clack, the world in the top of description. They're clicker,

the link will be there directly if he will be super simple. I hope. I appreciate to have this conversation with these 44. On the parlor.

Thank you.