Au Parloir - Épisode #110 - Catherine et Claude

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Claude & Catherine, deux passionnés qui ont longtemps œuvré comme intervenants à la DPJ et qui continuent aujourd’hui d’accompagner les jeunes à travers des ressources externes. Catherine anime des ateliers pour soutenir les jeunes pris en charge par la DPJ. Claude, de son côté, accompagne les 15 à 25 ans dans leur passage vers la vie adulte, une étape souvent semée d’embûches. Cet épisode met en lumière la voix des intervenants : un métier essentiel, rempli de défis quotidiens, mais aussi d’espoir et de résilience. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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Catherine she has had She has made these ataliers with the

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Claude, Catherine. Saved? Yes, thank you to receive. Prise 2? Yes, the people will be because it's not so long as long as that that's past.

The first time we were to see with a young man who's called Raphael. We were doing the podcast probably at 3.

And as I said in the podcast of Raphael, after camera, me recount a person of story and it's like hey, I'm

I'm sorry but he merit his episode. So, so please two, you you're going. You're saying,

And then you have said, we'll criss, we'll remandra not someone. So, okay, but I'm sorry, it's sure, it's a bit of an episode very different. You're just, you're doing the

middle, in the system, with the young, DPJ, post DPJ, all that. I've often talked to the house Stefan Falu

here. You're not not the house Stephen Falun, but it's an organism similar. So we're all talking about,

but we'll talk, but we'll start a little what you're going to start with you. What's you do?

Presentment, I'm Educator PQJ, program qualification of youngess for a year, but it's been 27

I've worked in the big system of the so I've made several post and you

have you have you do you do you do you okay perfect so we're going to

we're able so you have seen the evolution and the changement also in the

27 of the years of what it and of what it and of what it and of what it

and of what it It would have been. Exactly. Perfect. We'll be able to go. Good. Catherine. Yes, I'm

working at Carforce Janest Employee, De Laurenti, I'm charged of project, and then two, three years, I've

collaborated with Claude and QJ for doing these at a center of general, in the transition to

the life adult, and it's really a project that's really a project that's we're ready to be able to

talk. Cool. So, so, in the phone, you commence to to work with

us while they are still in a center of youngness for they're in

their out of their out of if you're to make that if you make that, no?

In fact, the program Qualification Youngest debut at the age of 16 years.

Okay. We can start at 17 years, 17 and been advanced

and we can do also what we call some in the jargon the

episodes of service in 18 25 years, of the young who have had the service during their

infance, in protection of the youngness, not necessarily in time as a beneficiary of an educator

or an educator or an educator. So it can happen that I face a pond of a young adult of

20 years, that had had been placed at different places in different places,

and that there, by a reference that there has been an episode of service.

and I'm essentially it's these young who are issued of the DPJ. If I'm not not wrong, what you just said, if I'm in

memory, it's a pretty much the portrait of Raphael just now. Exactly. He's arrived of an other service

because he's out of the post psychiatry, I think, he's going to have been going to have about 201

but I'm going to he had six years three-quarters and he was already in a center

of re-adaptation and then that's that he replaced certain criteria for to be beneficial

of an educator PQJ we're we're at this moment that and then we're

to work to build a relation of confidence in the system but I have a key in

the system but I have also a piece a bit like a worker of a work with

the organizations Communitarian, the Carrefour Employer Youngness, to who I refer

very far and I refer the young who will have been to service in 15,

35 for to begin to begin their project to do you? So,

you can push until you can not not me. No, the Carfo.

Okay, the Carfo, okay. It's like we see we're

in fact, the Carf Youngest Employ Employ, it's the 15, 15, 35

There are, you know, part to Quebec, there are 110, Carthouse, a young employee, but the Atlantic of the Laurentides, who cover the MRT of the Laurentides, precisely where is I work, we need the 1535, so all the CGE aid the 1535 and we're not to rejoin the young in center of youths, especially at Uberdo, because Uberdo is, kind of isolated, we're not in a region, they don't have access to time to service, then Claude,

in his mandate it's to come with the carpool and use the services of the carpool with the young that accompany. And there's

had been many there are many we've got to create something else and there's something and there's something that you're something that

it's a part of that where is that's your initiative to you two two, there I'm there, I'm

put these gross parenthesis for the people who need two employees who want to find something

and there There's a paprass, there's a bureaucracy, it's complicated that you have said, hey, we're it's a bit, I'm just, I'm that,

raw, a little, but, you know, they don't come had a choice to accept your project because you did it, in the phone, a little?

Initially, we, we, we're, we're referring to Carford on the progeness because we have been

to resouted the young with the services in the community. So, for me, it's a partner

of choice, that it or in the other Laurentide or in the bars on the Laurentide, all around the territory of the Laurentide, where there's the carpent progeness and there's a young, that's an accompaniment. It's often the port of entry to say, well, he wants to work, he has a 16, 17,

and he's a job of a CV. So, it's the port of entry, and there's a panoply of service that the carfond progeness offer. And it's like that I've met with Catherine, in going with a young but for

what is the system of the DPJ after the Commission Laurent and who has viewed the

year after the tragedies social the little the little in Grimby I think

that's a little decouly of these events and other events the Commission

Laurent has made in sort to promote the deploy more

the program qualification to youngness in doubling the envelope which I would say doubling also the number of employees

we've passed to four to nine educators. And from there, there were in the recommendations

to offer in the centers of re-adaptation the educators PQJ pivot, related to certain

units of readaptation for sensibilized our partners at the intern, to have worked with the services

of the community, don't the carpool. Is that you see? Yes, but I'm going to because, we're going to, we're talking, we're talking about,

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I've got to until I'm going to say, I'm going, and I'm going, and I'm going, because you're going

to say, you're going to go, it's going to it's a classic to the hall, it's going to go to the right, we're going to go to the road, we're going to run,

it's because, there's a thing, And you said, and that's me interpels much, you've talked to the little bit of

a little bit of a bit of a tragedy. I'm not not to enter in the detail of this story that.

I think the Quebec we've heard talk about, it's a tragedy, but is

that this tragedy that has had an impact positive, it's hard to say, there's a

tragedy that but at because of this commission that, is that has been

a impact positive in your work in the sense that there are a lot of people of the

community who have been sensibilized the government have not had a choice to see to make the

hands in marred because we'll say it's a bad bordel often, you know, or the

DPJ and the air of the paper and, you know, is there has been

an impact? This story that, you have an impact? Definitely yes, it's

what it does, it's that it's sensibilized the intervenants of Tuttabee, there's

the intervenants social, the intervenants in a center of redaptation. There are more

of the work that is made prealable on, we will say, to avoid the drama,

so be vigilant, be more present. Because we say, you don't be the

intervenant of this infant that after. Effectively. I'm I don't, I don't

don't know if it's who's an interventional of us, I don't know if she has done that, but I'm doubt of the impact that it had herself has been, you know, it's a metty that is extremely

low, the motive I've been, I'm talking about your collaborators, tantal, and the statistics are, are, quite,

impressionant. There's a great roulement, huh? Well, in fact, there's a great ruleman,

there also, you know, there's a, there a, there's a soldier who tombe on combat on course of their career. momentaneously.

There's a lot that's recid, there's there's plenty of, you know, there's plenty of everyday, after year, with an

We're talking about, we, we're talking about, my story, that the people who see the people who know, the adoption of my

fey, so, for four and a minute, I, I, I was a family of accueue, and in

four and a five or six intervenants different in our dossier, because they part or he tombe,

and I'm and I'm on the everyday, it's, you know, you know, I mean,

I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, to get to retire a child to a child,

you don't, you'd say, thank you very much, you'd say, you'd be to be on the other

side, there's a point, there's a time, ardu, of the intervenants

social who are not the people, they're not voluntary necessarily. It's for protect the children. So, at least,

we don't know to thank you. And, and we, the nuance, is that we, the educators of PQJ, it's, it's voluntary. So, it's a change the dynamic. When he's turned

toward you, they're going to help. Well, we, like I said, at the start, there are the criteria that we know that has rendered to his majority,

there's a few of chance that he returns in his milieu familial and that there's not the

network familial of proximity there's the view it has not got so for

prevening before that the program exists the the statistics it had

a good percentage of the young of 18 years out of the

center of adaptation and who would have been itinerant and a percentage that could

have not the shift exact, but the most of the people who have been passed by the

system, it's been documented. So the program has viewed the day on a little for evicted that

to prepare the adult, develop the autonomy, and then the Commission Laurent has lue

on the it's very important, we know, we know the we know the reality of these etineraneran,

there are more more, the society is cost to share of our and then

the crisis of the whole all the all of all that all the precarity

of the young futures adult so to work at 15 years

to prepare the age adult and the normaliz the most

possible at the exterior to the project fiv

in the center of redaptation, with Catherine, there's a much more more easy for the organizations exterior, don't the CGI to come and

do make, you know, to do their ataliers of the preparative to the life adult, the concessance of my choice, my

finance, all, the things that the young adult have, you know, there's not, there's not, you know, there's not, we don't know

in the middle carceral, you know, that's, you want to go a, you want to do a, you're,

The young, if they're not, I mean, the sole advantage that they have, it's for them, you know, they're saying, they're going to, they're not, they're not, they're not going to start more fast in the center of genus because they pass. No. It's so, so it's really, so it's voluntary. It's just one thing, too, I've said.

Just for precise, the, the athletes they're doing, during the periods of color, so they're at the school, at an interne. Certains, they go to the school at the external, but those that we visit are at the school at the intern, so, during the period, we've got done these atollies,

but not only of the atollies, you know, there's activities, we have these activities, we're doing these activities, we're really

really a lot of a project that. And, brief, you talked to talk about it and it's a matter

the team of sport, we've made the young who have passed by a part of an partage

that's been partaged all of what he had with the young who are present in readaptation

so, so, we, we're not, it's same the grain, we're really there for

to have illumined these things before the so it's really that there's there's a lot there's a lot of people who are

in a situation of itinerance and to let's have a space open or is it can really be really it's really that

it's really what I'm trying with my podcast it's a a day, to open the horizons to explain

to maybe some some some green in the head of certain young for you know

you're not you do you do you do it you do it you do it source, you know, you're going, you know, I I'm going to, you know,

I'm going to, you know, and the trap, who he'll attract, you know, the flash, you know, he's clack, it's on, you, it's on, you, it's so, you know,

that's all right, there's just a lot, because we've got a lot of, because you know, in the Basle-Lorentit, we're in the Bas-Lorenti, so, but,

I'm in there, in L'Orenth, in L'Rentit, but in, in this moment, there, we're, no, we're in those fests, we're in the best, But I've been to say,

but that's everywhere at the Quebec, there's a maybe not what you're doing what you're doing. In fact,

we're doing a project innovator, because it's not a long time, the Commission Laurent has had been in

the year three or four four or four years, we said to learn, we're doing some of

people in the center of re-adaptation, and each center of the size to Quebec has the

the same directive and the same recommendations of the commission. So, after that, you know, each region has to say, well, how is we going to deploy it? We, in the Laurentide, we have decided to, I've decided,

to instore an plage orer in the programation, in the son of adaptation, to be in the same as a little bit as a toxico who came a

time per to talk about toxico or the infirmier who comes or a other type or,

or, let's some, let's on the gestion of the programation. So, so I'm

said, we'll have an plage hour of a fashion regular like the

on the third time on the whole time for the young and for my collaborators

intern, so my colleagues have done of the time-plain at the interior, that they do the programation on the day, the day. So, for they're also, because they are, in

some kind of, confined to rest at the internal, because they have all their roll-man. From the morning, to the levee to the cuchy,

they're going to the school, they come here, so they have much more of manoeve and of liberty and say, we're going to

go out, and we're not the way, they're not the way to do that. And the context is, It's tough for, you know, it's tough for the intervenants social who live not on the daily,

but when you view on a day, you know, it's not a work easy, it's exigent. The young are suffering, are demandant, they have need to plenty of things. So, we, we, we allege a little, their work, we're on them, these tools. Because you're like, they're like, they serve those others for sackotty, like,

a little, you know, like you said, they're not, you know, they've got to, they don't, you know, not to have, so, so, so, so, so, you know, I,

look, there, the kid, there's a clue, there's a marto, but he's no idea, you know, a cure,

and he'd not, you know, that's a cellar, you're like, you're like, I'm a, I'm just,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so, you know, to be, to be, to start, to,

to start, to be, to, as an adult, you know, to the exterior, because at the interior,

you know, the programation that's the train-trane a day, so he works more to work

to work to try to work, to get, to get his emotions, gerry his emotions, and it's

indispensable, they do a time, they're doing a work, they don't, they don't, they don't

the energy, to say, we're going to work really really your ability to become a adult, prepare your

your life adult. So I'd I'd rather to put it without to cut it is really like I'll cut it all the time

to cut the month. It's a gang of TDRH ensemble, it's that that's it is that it's really the fact

that the educators, yes, they have a programation super strict but also it's that

I'm not I'm like they're like a role of authority on the young, it's they're they're

they're doing, you know, you're all the time, you know, you're all the whole time, this role of authority, that represents the DPJ, you have not the same line of confidence. We, we come to the exterior, and we're to make the exterior, and we're in. So, it's sure that we have a role a lot more, I don't know how to say that,

we're not, we're not the same impact on the young. So, you know, we're not in the same time, we're not in the day, but in the morning or soar, when we come to visit, they're, you know, it's It's been like a routine for them to

know. He would not like a figure an authority as a lot of that. No,

because they're because they're because they're not they've got with, you know, I've got to I'm brake

against the authority because you want to be to be unfermere, because you want,

you're like, you're just their don't know, these tools in the phone without

going to get them, and what we do they, what we do we do they do it, Yeah, at 18

18 years. Oh, you know, how you see, how do you know, what you're doing? How do you know, how do you get, like,

to eat, and you know, the mechanic of the young adults when they go to their proper zeal,

but they, they're not, they're not, they're on the day, the day, there's difficult for them to

see to see at 18, 20, and, oh, I want, I'm going to do,

it's very So we're going to an other dynamic to the intervention because we're we're going to

we let's ventilate, how you feel, and what do you do they're their own their own

their own their own their own their own their way, I'm going to question

and maybe I'm going to go completely at Kippa but you you know you've said

you've been 207 that you're there today with media social, internet and is that

is you see a do you want a dynamic different Hey, what's, what you're doing? Ah, I'm going to... You know, everyone's always, like,

to get, to become rich on internet or something like that, you know, you're going to have my opportunity, you know, I was saying, I mean, when I was young, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not a gross education, and me, I'm like, hey, I'm going to have a DEP in Kachau. My goal, it was just to have a job

and to gain my life, you know, I, you know, I had not an aspiration to be to, you know, because it's being, to be the sole way, it's almost the way, it's basically to make of the TV, at my time. We had not

Instagram, and TikTok, it would not be known. Ironic, that today, it's like that I'm going to my life, but, you know, is, is it a little,

the, to be willing to to turn to the facility to think that, you know, I'm trying to work, and it's very rich.

In doing, these vlogs, and we're doing live, TikTok, what's you're doing, you know, to do, I say, at what,

because, yeah, there are the people who are the people who go, we're not only, you know, that's a little , you know,

the world who arrive to gain on the web. Yeah, there's many of the information, a lot of the parreit,

I call it the culture of the embalage, it's, it's a pre much of course. It's been to having a

Lamborghini at 20 years, it's, it's a real everybody, Cedric Bergeron, I'm in direct to my studio,

and I'm a few second to talk to you to talk, that's with us, we're with us, we're

having two, three, three,000 visioned by episode, and he had been there, and since

he had not been there, I don't I don't know if this project that exists still because they have really helped financially with this project that.

And I'm trying to them to make them and it's why I'm doing this video that, compare my prime and there are a lot of people

who make sure, hey, you talk of an affair of insurance, it's what? In private, the people, I'm going to

take the time to you'll explain to you know, so compare my prime, he is specialise in assurance

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they, they, they want to have an insurance life, it's important

for not to let let's the in the need to be in the need when you will be there.

Compare my privy. My question is just, it's just, it's just, it's just there's a difference

between the young, there's 20 years, of their thought, how I'm in sort of what I

can't, what's the young who the young who are, like you say, that's just just to

they're not being disusional like that are really, no, no, I'm, I'm, I want to become

an adult, I want be responsible, and I want to do you know, is it a mentality that's a mentality that's the same or of generation

to generation you know that there's really there's between Yeah, effectively, the media

social and the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

it's, it's changed the don't, you know, we're all the time on our cell, you know,

there's nothing than the presential, and to revern to the reality, you're where present, and we've done this exercise

that for rest in the reality to say, well, here's the reality, you know, I'd say, I'd choose not for you know where you

want to do or what you want to be but my role is that you be conscious of the reality. In this moment,

how many you think it costs, to live in a room, in a three and a minute, how much

it's a cost an episserie and, you know, so, so, so, so,

then, we have the good response because the young we have a total

of success of the young in the youth in the unit that are really participative

at the what is what is what we're in the attention we're we're in

another context also there's they're in their cell, they're in our center

we're like the part noel that's you're like you're like a day. But, you know, it's often also, it's that's, if you

don't know, I'm talking about, there's 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 17, who have been people that people of 60 have never, you know, there's a maturity. There's a, you know,

it's the mayor word, there's a maturity because she'd probably not be there at this age, but they've lived so much of things, that's,

that's too fullue that they think like an adult because there had not an adult, you know, there was not the support of an adult responsible who had to, the person who had had to be with us other, and

they'd be with them to get, you know, where you're trying to get it, you know? Tantot, you'd say, in your experience, when you were family of accue, there had six, seven, in four years, well, it's the same reality

for my young of 16, 17, and I've had had 25 intervenants social in my life, you know? You've created not the link to person, no? So, when a new arrive and you look,

And, you know, we'll have commenced again, or you start with three-prits, because so... Why I'm going to make the energy to tell you? In the six months, you're going to cross.

The big defeat of the first year when we start the program, it's really to create a relation of confidence,

and in the concrete, in the regularity, and the program, what is interesting, is that a young, let's say,

let's a 16 to 18 18 years, who demenage five times. Family-d-acuees, a foyer of group, the center of the center

of the state, the intervie there's in, we know, in the region, in the Quebec, all the PQJ,

at me that I'm going to do you, we'll see, no, it's, I'll cover all the Laurentide,

Laval, Montreal, sometimes I go to farm a new, and a half a year to pass my lorriye,

so I'm going to, I'm going to three hours of road, so we will do it, so you're

an impreine of stability in, Exactly. All this degringolade of non-stabilities. And that's really positive. It's true. And it's construed

something different. And the day that's 18 years, that the DPJ firm the pots, firm the leaves, we're still there. So, then it's even

more tangible and concrete, say, okay, it's not a guy of the DPJ, you know, an education of DPJ because there, there's 18 years,

and it's been two years, I've been with, and he's been your menage or I've no job or I don't know I'm going to be

able to do you know we're going to go to work there's a program of employment Quebec, there's a

bank of course you can go to a suburbment communal there, it's like the young

realize that we're a little like a work on a you're an Google

on two pat in the in general we're we're all we're we're just

the same and we know we have a community of practice We're all, we're a few, six

seven, six seven, six regions of Quebec, we've had a community of practice of, the educators, educators, PQJ, and there,

you know, we say, oh, okay, we, we can't, we, we, we're presenting our project, no,

all the colleagues to the Quebec. It's that I said, just that's part of your plan, to go, so that's

it's already made, so it's it's made, and there, we, we, we, we, we, we,

And it's a moor, you know, it's, it's a directoress general or the coordinatoratist national, in fact, the PQJ, entang so, and co-ordone. And then, well, we're working to create these lines, the resotage, in, no, no, no, the strat, of the society, that it should, in the system, in the communeoters, we're, we're, we're trying very far for propagating new approach, and in In working in the centers, in the unities of readaptation, well, you know, there's a culture, it's a culture of intervention

that's there for years. You know, it's like, you said, and so, you said, until, Catherine, you know, it's, you know, you've not, you've got to make your demand, so, there, you know, there's all the time, you know, there's a, you know, we're,

we're having a changement of practice, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not, you know, The CARFO-Jones and Employer, we're an organization, so we have a vision different, you know, so it's sure that it takes a time of adaptation. So, we're in a culture

that is really cloasoned. And then we're going to open deport, you know, it's and it's been, and I think, with the communication and the bienveillance, I'm in front of what I want to say, but, you know,

we're trying to, we're trying to, not quite, in other than your project in a carfo, or genesse, the, of employment, Carfo, Youngness,

I don't know. I don't know. Excuse me. We'll have to be able to. Excuse me. Yeah. The concrete, it's,

it's what? It's what? The bus is what? Because you'll do you know, yeah, no, but it's just a way,

right, but you know, because you know, there's a part of to travel to Quebec, you know, maybe, I know,

maybe I didn't even not that exist, that they're going to I'm really to find, so, we'll make,

you're going to make, you're making, you're that I'm repartory in a site by region

and all that, so it's going to be the description of YouTube, it's like there. There's like a code QR. You can find your CJA, it's where. It's for the 15, 35 years, so I'm going to resum it like that, that's like

that's a deal with the employability, on the way with with the entrepreneurship, no matter, you know, we're really there for the 1535 so there's like 10

branches of service, but, you know, like Claude said that it's my finance, my choice that's conjointment offered with Desjardin to offer with Desjardin

that, you know, what a budget, how I start that, or I have a project entrepreneurial, how I'm doing to start this, I'm an idea, but I'm not

certain. It's really to learn to see what, what's what the avenues possible for you? There are

some people who accompany the young, we have some of employees, the charge of projects, the intervenants

in autonomy, so we, we're just we're all over on the territory, each CJA has like a

mandate, to be in the school, on the implication social, so, to the core of his community,

that's really that's the objective. And, well, I'm what I'm doing it, I'm doing

to do you, my mandate was to be a little everywhere on the territory. And one

one, I'd give some to give us to give us our service, to learn our people,

to learn to learn to their services that are offered to them. And, brief, we've made

a project that's called the glacier where is the young have, like we're doing food in

autonomy, we've made for like when you're in an apartment you know, you know, you know,

you know, a gang of guys who have done for the people in situations of itinerance, for the

young who parted just from the center and after that we had left the glaciers at the

world. So, you it had a technique of impact of common it's it could

that's you know that's the guy who has been to start in apartment because it's

not easy there's not it's not you're doing to turn to your So, you know, we're a pack of

a fair with them and then it's there that's that's interesting, my, my go for to be there, and how I felt

that it was for me, to be there. And, brief, after that, it's like I knew Clough,

and I'm back at 100 percent, we create this project that that's called My Place Monresau.

You know, I'm, the flash that I'm, my echo of FPS on second. No,

but, you know, you know, you know, you know, we've made a cushion, a pair of Boxer, we're learning to

have to have a food, you know, a budget, and that's a thing, you know, and you're doing all this, all you know, I don't know

if you're going to with me, but that, that, it should be a course at the school secondaire. You know,

you're going to have a case, but let you know, learn, we're having to have done to do you,

say, hey, it's the parents, you know, it's your parents to, you know, to learn to learn so, it's because

there are people who don't get a budget. So, how you can transmit to your

adolescent to to get a when you're not able to do. We're saying it's the base of an thing,

to learn, is what, the impo, it's what a driverer autonomous, how it's working, you

should, you'd have to learn that at the base, you know, maybe not, Chris,

all the long of an schoolarer, but it would be a minimum to learn, when you

when you're in the first the first time you were part in an apartment, you're not necessarily of everything

what you have to pay an insurance. It's important to get an insurance in an apartment, but we're not

not doing that. The credit versus a card debit what's it's all that they're all the

people, you're talking, they're talking, they want to they want to get to they've got to get a

card of credit so, there's a question. In fact, I'm saying, malorously, too often

I think you can't have made of the moment. Yeah, so, then it's so,

then, so, there there's a lot education to have a at plenty of level

on the finance, because the impos there are, they don't even not, why they

they're not, a slip- -de-pay, how do you see? Why do you see? The government, the federal,

provincial, so we're long of the Coupe-O-Lave to understand the sense to economize or the

sense of a, to have a impo, there are 18, 19, They've never made an impo.

It's not How do you want? It's so basic that we can't who are in who? They know or it's been already ensigned,

but it's not. The first time I've made to do you, my father, I said to, I said to, I don't know,

but, you know, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not seen, and you're not, you're trying to be structured

for doing these things, that. The preparation at the life adult, it's complex, and, you know,

we, we, we, we, we, we, we're, You're 18, 25 years, it's like if you were an adult, but you've had all to learn. It's like when the first day, you're going to go to second-air-one, you know, it's an end up in another structure.

You say, oh, boy, you've got, you've got to have the bab, who have an auto, and they're in second-air-five. Then, you know, for five years, you know, for five-year, you know, these adults and sussum-s, so it's a little bit so, but in the life adult. But, now, the life adult is trash, is hard. Or you can not pose any questions. At the school, you can pose a question.

In the life adult, the human being, it's not, you know, we're not asking, we don't want to pose a question because we don't have an air epa? Exactly. You part also of a center of re-adaptation.

You know, it's not the same thing. You can't go to test the zoo around. Some, yeah, when you're when you're a piece of QG in your life, but it's not automatic. So it's really necessary

that these young, like these young, because the transition, the life adult, it's, in a milieu, you're like isolated,

we, we're not, that's not the time to prepare necessarily and to go to get to be in

the extra year, it's more more more than the time normal. So it's a bit of the project,

is that the young can have access to the same service because there there are many of

many of life so it's, it's these services that are essential and there we're talking about the

budget and it's like a little if it's on the head of the young but,

But, you know, we're doing other that's based on on the way, you know, what you're in life, what's you want, but for you know, you know, you've got to live these experiences, the fun,

you know, you discover some things, you have to do do you have to do do the exploration professional, and now, we're there until we're like to

change, you know, and to try to change of the idea, and to try to try to try, and we're going to try to find that to make a cheque

necessarily, yeah, it's a exactly, it's crinfleet security around the young, you know, who quitted, well, I got

I metry the community. I've metered Claude and Catherine, but there's also plenty of other people that we invite to the center of genus and who have an impact because at least they had been very sympathetic

and they said, well, I'm going to get to get, me, this organism there, they're not to get to help for this affair or, ah, I,

I've had done that in my CV. It's a fact, it's, it comes to batire, we're, for that when we're not in the

portrait, there's something that's seamed, there's like a reflex that. So, you know, it's really that's the

objective, in gross, but I'm talking to be on a long time there's a little bit of he's,

he's, he's, he's like, go to you, no, but, because I don't know,

because the people, it's, it's, we have, that the people, know,

that's, that exist, that there, there, there, you know, that there, you know,

there, you know, I, I think, the, the, the, the,

the, the, facetism, and facile, you know, but I mean, I mean, you know, you don't know all the whole, you know, but the young

want, you know, they're doing to them even, you because you want to, you don't know, but you can't give them,

they're doing these tools, but you can't be able to do it, you don't, actually, it's, you have to have often,

because they're not at the stage to do, we're not, let's see, do this, do, it, it's,

it's still, even a good base, a good esteem, the experience, the confidence in so

and our clientele are demunied, they have these traumas complex. We're an history,

like you say, so they're so young, they're all their life in them, we know,

we know, because we know, we're people, they think, are at the end,

because they're those are despery and they're not much, and they're to find, discover, make these experiences positive,

we're doing, we're doing, if it's been normalized. Now, the project, you know, it was more in the other,

Laurentide, because it's a great center of re-adaptation. There were, like, nine units. There, there's a little

more, because we're over one, just, at Therese O'Blinville, but it's to deployer, and it's a project

pilot, we're, we, we have We're defriced, we're taping a trail, we're enlarged, three years, we're really higher, but it's like more, in the north of the Laurentide. But there

exist, there's another, the center of readaptation. All what we've already accomplished, we've got to propagate, have other collaborators. It's the sweet, yeah, it's the sweet ultimate, it's that it's that's all right-adaptation, with other TGI that's implic, it's

really our vision for the suite. that's what I was going to say. I've got to say. Well, in fact, because, Catherine, is confined to a new center, an center of readaptation. Confined, I like that. Well, in fact,

it's, it's an emmerc, you'll explain. Yeah, MRC, it's like a term that's like one of the mortals, sometimes it's not too, but... Yeah, it's sure, I've said, I've already heard, but... It's a sector, a subdivision.

Yeah, it's like, a regional, which is like the four MRC of the Laurentides, who part really from long that's that Claude Cove

and we know it's in Val Moran to so it's 20 municipalities in two city, St. Agate

Montremblein and then Uberdo does part of this territory so as so as

that's so it's normal that we offer a service for us because in Manny

also you don't have a choice to try stren because if it's there's

that's it's to be everywhere at a foe but the young

the young of Laurentide, who are under the law of the protection of the youngness and a re-adaptation.

They come to they're all all right of all right. I'm in the entire of the entire of the territory.

By the course, the MRC of Catherine cover more, but there are CGE in all the

Lorette. So, the idea is to be able to make a line between you, you and there

a new idea that's not the idea that it's not our view it's not, we go little by pet,

part, It's not like we started at the beginning with me and Claude. I'd go ahead a month, and like that, we, you know, we defrage something. And it doesn't really a gross engagement. After that, when it's a lot of engagement, it's a demand for, you're doing, the resources at length of time playing. The nerve of the year.

It's like, I had an other post. It had to cover the schools. Other projects, I had like 10 projects in all along. And then, I've seen an appell of project pasted of the foundation of the young of the DPJ, with some with some of the with some,

you know, we're doing we've created something, and we've said why not and it's accepted.

So, I'm sure that I'm saying that I'm able to that I'm going to be able to a time

full, at Rue at Berto, to give the atteliers with Clod in five unit of life.

Now, four, because there's one that one that has done to demanager at St. Terese,

but the idea, it's that it's a person that's different to time on time on the

project, and often that's that's a question of financement, where is it is more evident,

but it's possible we're trying to create something to create something to the resource that we have. That's

that's, I imagine, it's the gnair of the war, it's so, it's the financement, because of

you're not the fund by a party governmental, there's, there's, there's, how it's how it

how it's how it's continue, go, go see, go see, go see, go see,

for the for the carfo, we can just, like to cover a sum and the Carfo

and Employer the bankers of principal is the secretary to the business

and then they could not finance this project because it's not our

our mandate so we are going to get to we're getting to six foundations

that we have financed for this project this year to be

able to be to be able our money and pay a money

to pay all the activities and what what we what we what we the year

next, we'll see if if we're not if we're not if it's not it's not we're not that's not

we're not our wish is that we're going to continue to develop and to and to search the financement but it's

very like, it's fragile and in time it's precious so I'm I'm mentioning here because I know

that we know we're doing we can't check well check by yeah check by the subtility of

my phrase so if I don't so if I would be the fun It's to have these bell

company who have a good chiff of things that they want to give it and I imagine

that with that will come in a beautiful for having a don't for save to save

a good company, make the money, don't for a good cause, a

recuse of an money to that's that's what we're what we're that

if we're if, let's, we're a gang demorris who to be together,

that we want for a spectacle, that we can't not a cashet, and that's all the

money to get to be interesting. Justly, we're in an organist of bienfeasance for

to be able to because it's so it's really important, and sometimes we can't all the time to attach to

the buyer of fund, and especially for these projects like that, we're in we're of

the money to see, it's precious, and if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,

if, if, if, if, if, if, of financement, of FETT, we can develop a lot more

than you, because there, because there, you can't put a project too on the long term in the sense that Chris,

you can't propose something a young in the time, you know, in the two next year, we'll be able to

do it, because you see, not the year after it's going to see, we develop, and at date,

it's part of being, so it's, so, it's more than, it's more than, you know, it's a project

that, you, it, you know, that's, who part, the Carford, I know this employment and QJ, but it's a project that I keep on

to say it's a project that's really the community simple, we have 19 partners that are given to give us there's a lot

there's a lot for that I'm for that I'm saying, you know, when we're a good gang. I've got in the

concrete concrete, and I want to talk to Raphael who, when he came here he said,

I think two, three years after he'd he'd They're going to, because you're going to, because you're going to, he

dorm, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it becomes his house, his own, in life, exactly, the good term, a milieu of life. In the concrete, there, he, he rent,

it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it for the, I mean, I'm, I mean, I've said, it's, for how many times, but, he, he's, there, a kind of lawy to pay,

also, to live in this milieu, but it's, concretement, Since he's He's been here, this

journey, his life it's a result at what when he went to when he

in fact, I'm sure, to be sure to your question, because

I'm the idea that the day, the day, it was

in a adaptation. There was like, 16 and, when he came,

when he said, he said, he'd he'd he'd come, he

he'd remember me the name, excuse me. In fact, it's

it's a a resource intermediary, but for adults, having some problems of the health important. He had been

his first episode. And that's what he has? No, it's not me. In fact, I'm going to

get back to we're searching some candidates for his company. We've had had been the

desistements of the last minute. And then I've got there's contact with several young

that I've seen, but they're going to 22, 22, 23. So, sometimes,

sometimes we're sometimes we're talk and there I was I had contacted for to bring

some news and he he said he said, I'm going to he's demanage tomorrow

because that in the context of his business, I'm proposed to open

because he knew he knew and he knew he said how he

could be useful for he to work to work

a certain form of insertion social because there he is placed for two

in a center in a a foe Let's see. A resource Intermediate in health

adult having had been an episode psychotic and he had been also

decriminalized we're not responsible criminally at cause of his psychose and there

he has like he had made an episode of detention and at a

place in detention or in a center of psychiatry it's a

organist that aid to socialize, re-inser socially. So you know, at 21-year-old, I've ever, a pond, a episode of service for these things particularly concrete for

returning to the market of the trade. So, while he's in this resource that, you can continue to be there in re-aching a little, there's a little, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit more, you know, a volunteer, same principle, but there's a team around him.

It's a lot. But you're with you, you're like a few years. You're like a 16-year, you're like a bit a figure of stability, of stability, you know, I know his

history, he's demunied, so there was all these effects personal that's left at his mother at Argent

Oye, so we've been that, I think it's time with, and then, we're, we're labored

on the plan of action, okay, now, what's, you know, you think, to have been,

you think, to try to get some , oh, no, we're going, we're trying, we're going,

we're in, we're in, their sector, will you still, are you still, you know, are you know, I'm sorry,

you're talking about, excuse me, I'm sorry, so, so, so you know, you're going to do you, you know,

and we're going to , you know, we're going to be able to be able to and say, you know, well,

I've passed my life in my life in the PG I'm not finished my and I feel 100,

000, it's sure that you can you can't you can't, but you can't you can't, but you're

to find, we're doing, we go, we'll have your , look, the possibility that you have. So, it's not that you need, but you have to come back,

you're going to get, you're trying to the experience somewhere. Yeah, so, it's really, it's the service to aid in employ,

but, you know, it's at the time, you know, you've even not need to get to have a CV, and then, justement,

you create, justably, you've been, to break, there, you know, there's plenty of service, then you're accompanied

by a counselor in employment, a concier, a concier in employment, I, in my life, who's, who I'm who I'm in what? And then, well,

I don't, he can have have a sub-vis in your way, after that he's been, and he had to break the glass with this young, because

that's the first point, you know, the young, it's anti-gene, at the beginning, even more, you know, to ask, the first step,

it's difficult, it's anxiogen, so, you know, when you know, when you know, a little cut, you know, a little a little bit of mind,

you know, there's something that is really really precious, because after that, I want to have access to plenty of service and say, finally, it's not so bad that, and they're not so much, they're going to offer a cafe, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a difference.

Is you see a great difference on the level of the research of employ? I mean, I'm going to say the part employer, the employer, between a young that has passed his life, let's, let's, let's have been, for the reason familial, genre, like, and a young who has already

a dossier that's a incident, criminal, these things like that, is that you have to be really a gap

at the employer? Because I imagine that you have probably a bank of employers who are used to receive

this type of clientele, I'm saying some, but these young like they want to get

the, you have some business who are more apt who are conscious that we, we, we're going to

we're in a coup of, but is that sometimes he has made like With this dossier, I'm not sure. There's a real gap

or... There's a lot of your hands they're like more confident to say, we're like, we'll give them a chance. If you're doing a chance, you know, there's a job.

There are, there are there programs of employability and they have a certain form of accompaniment psychosocial. So, they're going to be more comprehensive, more flexible,

for I go to go, or I go to my medicine, not today, I'm down. They'll end up their job. There's a young mom. I imagine

there's also, there's a marriage adultal who, the rendezvous medical, and see, with the babies and all.

Yeah, these programs that, the employers are conscientized, but, you know, when they pass on the carpool,

we're like, no matter, you know, you don't know an etiquette, you know, your business, you know,

even if you're in life, if I've made, if I've made, you know, but it's what you've learned of this experience

that, and what could make, by that, if you did the meney

in your business, we'd not make the center of your number of

telephone, we'll be able to get your intervenant and QJ because if the

employer, they don't he can't yeah, they're doing, yeah, it's sure

that, there's still there's still that you're there's sure that there's we're saying you're trying

you're doing like any other young and you have the right of the importance to pass to make a

good C-V, you know, to be being used to be used to be used to be prepared to an interview. Exactly.

So that's all the technician. You know, to find out of your phone, before to arrive in

an interview. Yeah. But, you the poign of the whole, the first, the first,

the first, it's something that's important, the appearance also, how it's important. It's still the same

that's the year, I didn't, it's not changed this part that, but to

be prepared for example, by the employ, it's, sometimes we're to learn really, so it's,

it's, they're in the reality, like I'm not 250,000 in start-t can't, you can

come out, and if you're an objective also, you would say, you'd say, to say, you'd say,

you'd just start, like, on a pageasement, or like, a stage of a day, a day,

in a day, in a new, uh, professional, there, some of some of

professional, like, I'm, I'm, like, you, the, The last, we had

been ported these CV. Now, he's in a new village. I know not the city. It's a

place, I'm in New York. There's a St. Jerome. St. Jerome. Great Ville, St. Jerome.

He's not repair not. It's already anxiogyne to get to get to transport, so I've made

a little the point strategic. We're going to go to go and go to center formation. We would

want to do a DEP in construction. He'd not offer a place. But, but I

go with He, he, at the center of formation professional, there's a panoply of DEP, connects at the, in the middle of the construction, so, that, he's been insured in two, montage for September or

or Moodoo, you know? So, now, he's said that in two, three months, he will come to a DEP. So, so, so, it's,

it's valorizing, and he's, there, there's a view, there, there, there, there can,

he can go, he can go, the time, partial, so it's concili, work, etudes. Sometimes it

can be a formation in a middle of work in numerary. In a case, it's not that you

have all the program that pop a little a few so. So, we've been

at the affue when it works, then you will concili your

work with your formation professional you have for a year in a

time in a time in time part so it's the young of 18

25 all these young of 18 25 years But I think, you know, you're still and you know, and what's the,

and I don't know, I don't know, I'm going to say, what's the question I'm going to say, what's, I mean, you're saying, you have any obligation professional, let's say,

an example like Raphael. Well, I'm not, I'm not, my question is fake word, you know, is good, and, you know,

and, you know, it's, like, you're, like, you're, like, you're, like, but you're, but you're, you know,

you do, you do, you do, Jerome with him with him with him. Oh, yeah,

it's, it's, it's a part of my mandate, you know, and that's everyone,

to every to do you, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

professionallyally, professionallyally, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, I'd say, I'd be, to do you

want to be, I'm gonna I'd be not a place, I'll be with, because I'm,

he's, you know, that he's, you know, after that, pass the Flambeau. But it's a part of our mandate also

to accompany. Example, I had a young of 19-year-old and then I'd have regularly, and then, you,

the 18 to 19 years, it's, very, very instable, not of revenue, not of social,

with a chum, and, well, in-since, so, I, I saw, so, I,

He, his friend, he had been placed, but not had PQJ in his life. But he was demunied, not of paper, no certificate of innocence, not an end social, very, very precarer. So, I mean, you know, I'd be very, you know, and said, well, what did you do, have you found, have you done, have you tried to check a hand? No, at a moment of a day, I said,

I'd say, I'd try to try to change a good, But, yes, I rooves a pond. So, like, now, professionallyly, I'm mandated, but I can't send it. But you, you know, you're tally, you have tended the perch, you know, because it's voluntary, but I think it's not negative. No, no, it's not, I think it's accurate.

Because, you're up, you, you're not, you're, it's not your mandate, but it's like... But it's, it becomes. It's... But it's a lot of, because you decide that it's... No, but it's also these enligements of PQJ. I understand, but there are some people who... who could

have I'm not a suel, moment of two, it's suel, you know, you know,

I think that because we're saying, we're so the question morality, and then we have said,

at a point, we can't get there, we're not there, because she's because she said,

but we're saying, but we're saying, and it's a phrase that you're there's a

good policeier, there's a there, there's there's good guardians of prison, there's there's a

many guardions of prison, there's there's there many plombier, There are some intervenants. There are these intervenants.

There are these intervenants. There are these good intervenants. There's a very mauveillance. Unfortunately, there are some, I started with the good. I think I've got, and clearly, you know, in this section there, but how you see that when you see those stories like the year past, the people who are getting,

these intervenants of St. Genese, who are these stories that we can't here, we have, there, we have these stories of, arc, you see, you see, you see, you see that, you see, at the point, it's done

call-liss, I'm, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, you know, and it's hard to have, to go, to get to

to make something, and then, you, it's like, it's like, it's a little moose, and there's a guy with

some bulldozer, hey, it's, for 15 hours, you've been a second with my bulldozer, and you know,

I'm trying to, you know, dreadsoul, you know, because what we're not the good intervenants, because we don't not hear of those people, it's the story of murder, so. Yeah, but it's like, it's like, it's like, how can't, it's sensational,

yeah, well, yeah, it's a sensationalist. It's normal, but in the time, it's normal that we're not talking to say, it's because I want to give it the voice. You know, I have, you know, I'm saying, it's like, hey, it's fun, that we're all right, that's we can't, you know, I'm playing, I mean, you know, I mean, me, the world who's

who's going to be able to, I'm not, I'm going to be able to do it, you know, but you're going to receive it as well as, you know, in terms of people intervening who'd have to work with these young, you know, you're a gross question. There's, like, there's like, many questions in your question. How much, but, yes, respond to you, like, come, come, come, come, from, you know. Well, I don't know how to say that, but, you know, for me, the suffering, it's like a form of resilience, and it's at a part of the law, that we can

apporting that we can decide to go to the positive without necessarily to play to say that

it's problematic there is not but for me for me, there's for me, I think I think you

need to have to have to have to have to after that it's easy to get to make,

I can't I can't I can't take that personal, what's what's what's

what the tragedy that around the DPJ and me to me make it on what I'm

in what what I'm do you know, I'm just part of all that, you know, but I mean, we're saying, we're not changing the world necessarily, but pretty, a bit of a bit of actions like, you know, to be in

being, it's, it's, it's, it's uprored a village to pre-level a child, you know, I think not that it's the responsibility just at DPJ, you know, I think it's to do everyone, all the citizens, to have, like, if I see I see something, and there's a red flag, you know, I'm on occupies, you know, if I hear of, you know, I'm not, you know,

I intervene, you know, to be to be a little more in the responsibility because I think that's that, it's that that's that that's that

create like a movement positive, you know, but the people, you know, we know we're telling and as

as an time when you know, you have become that, you personallyelment, you know, you,

you know, you're like, okay, well, what, what's we're doing with what you

know, how you're how you're, how you're, like, with all your baggage, but I can't change the fact that you've had

a family of accue, where is you've been made abuser, and that's in a unit, you're having to tell things, and it's not, it's not my mandate, but, you know, it's It would be so much to, to, to

have the confidence of a young, you know, who, you know, who's like, hey, me, there, there, you know, there's people in my life who are supposed to me aid, and they've made, and they've made, you know, and they're doing, and what they're

And it's how, you know, how we cast this carapace that, this mur, that, that the young is built with reason, we'll say, you know, there's not a choice to be built, this carapace, that? Well, I think that the mayor method, is to be constant, coherent, and then, and then to demonstrate at each point that we can intervene, compend, that we're together,

it's at every point to demonstrate that we're being in of confidence and that's not for

not for to judge, we're there for to find some solutions, and be to be mised

on the forces, the interests, you know, the, I'm, I'll let's the

place to the life, those things, it's, it doesn't a direction,

I'm, I've all the time want to do the I mean, I've had some examples, those young who have had been difficult in the centers of readap,

in the foyer of group, and who were almost condoned, you know, in the sense that, like, there was an orientation, you know, it's to demonstrate that

and that, and that we're, that, we're, we're not different to us other, you know, we have our our, our,

our bibit, we have our our, we have our family, And normalize all that, you know, all in restant professional, and the young, they're when we respect,

when we listen, you know, and we're trying, and we're trying to, and when we talk to a little, a bit of our bke, and our, yeah, I've made that, and, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're, like, the distance professional

or, you know, it's too protocolaire, they're not that because the most of the time our encounters it's not not in a

bureau very formal and it's in a lot it's in the salon we're going we're dining we're

there's there's not there's not there's not there measure that it's respect that you

see. It's a bit to cross the the protocolaire it's like

it's like it's very rare I'm sitting in a bureau with a young to do

something of things of very formal. You know, the young you have to say, you know, if you're doing, you know, exactly, I'm honest.

You have to do you have to do if you want to be if you want to if you do you prove that he can't be to make a confidence.

And there's some people who have some who have reason to not have a confidence in person?

Exactly, effectively. And it's a good mechanism to not to be a person the first time

to be the first, to be a book to be able to be you know, you know, I'm

I say, you know, I do often, when I I start a program with a young, you know, you know, you know, to learn to be able to

be to be able to if I'm not a person, I'd say I'd say nothing to my life, especially not of my problems, so,

so we, so, we just, and then, so that's of nothing, a little of these projects, of his school, of some chum,

of these studies, of what she wants to do, and how it's how it's her own, it's, it's, these interests, you know, the design,

whatever, the dance, and then it's that I'm there's a young who had a tangent, like negative, even,

even that there a psychiatrist of Renaud that said, I don't know two weeks, it'll work not, you

return to you home, and finally, you, he returned to them, he returned to his, and he had

not good. In fact, he had not interested in the schooler at all, but but he's a genie of the informative. Really. But no, no competence

formal, any paper. It's an autodidact, as we'll say. And then, he'd mounte these computers that would

be 15,000 $20,000, it was an enormous, and I was really much encouraged, I'd say,

it's not to repair or mount these tricks, and, you know, he's he made to do that, And he could not

be able to get engaged in a, like a technician No, because there's not his studies. No,

but he all the time in a boutique to get to get in a moment, he's made to get

because the magazine, he's well found, the guy, he'd know, because he said,

I'd be a lot of, the stuff, the piece of time, so he'd be hyper-competent, but in

a chain very particular without qualification formal. But I'm still in two, three weeks,

you know, and it's well, he's they're doing, but it's not that that's not,

that was, that was, you know, he's, it's, you're going to be placed to be 18

and at 18 and, it's going to have to live here to live at his parents,

and it's a bad, it's not necessarily to see the line pre-trace, you know,

we're chifted the line a lot in a What is the fun to not be in a

governmental by the by the or the you're obligated to see your the line.

You can't at the right, I'm going to I'm going to go to go because it's there that

you're going to go to you know, even if a young for five have not a parent

and there had an interdive contact where the contact had suspended and the

order of the court of the tribunal the general there's not there's a parent

but the young is rendered at 17 And you know, you know that with his telephone, when he has out, he texts his mother, his father, and he says, I'm going to live there at 18 years. So, why you're at 18 years?

You know, at 18 years, the state, well, the DPJ has not to say, hey, you're not going to live with your father. At 18th and he will do, do you want, you know, in regarding in the future, and in talking with the young, he me He said, my father, he wants to be able to live there. And I'm going to live there. I say, yeah, we'll go, we'll go, we'll go. Mr. is, you're right?

Yeah, well, we're going to work in this sense. If a young can change, a parent, can change also. Yeah, and it's, no, and, you know, there's a lot, you know, and I'll say, in your career, at your two, it's sure, you have you had been doing time, you've got to put time, you've got to put to make the effort, you know, you know, I mean-perdue, you know, I mean, there are some of the guys who are in prison

just at the end of their life because at each time they're recert, they're going to run into a sudden because they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not, but I imagine that when we have a case, you know,

like that, a young who's reprimed, and it's what I imagine you've made your job, you know? Yeah, the interest and the passion because, you know, it's, you know, I love that, I mean, what's

What's he Puss, what's the person to become an intervenant to be there where it's not beautiful, it's not the fun

all the day I'm, I'm doubt, you know, I'll say, yes, it's passionate, but they'll have some days

where it's the old, you know, I'm saying, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm doing, when it's been

two hours, someone someone crash on history, and that I'm absorb, I'm brule, you know,

I mean, I doubt that it does not every day. So what's he push to someone to do you and what's the

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you're because you have a time you're a certain life that's

a certain part you know it's I don't that you have to have been to be a

one of the one's not not you're going to pass not that's it's really because they have the

quality in need of an intervenant to the listen, the the best of

all the the quality that are necessary and after that's to want to be able to be

not necessarily to say that you say that you will say because it's sure that at the

beginning I'm like yeah I'm like yeah I'm plenty of ideas, I'm going to change the

world and you you're you're to try to try to do that, and you

goate, but it's like that you find out of your identity of your intervenants, it's a

through your experience, there's not really a good response to your question, you know,

the experience that will make, okay, I've got to do that and the next step,

it's a first, but at the beginning, it's really like, it's the caring,

it's the humanism in me, it's like, it's like, it's, we're, we, human, we're

all the same babit I'm not different, you know, I'm not I'm going to get in the other,

but I'm not going to be in your life, it's really important to have this line that, you to trace,

because when you put to the other versus you see what the other view, you're not, I imagine

that the little victories, aid to continue, he has not to, you know, because I

don't know, if I'm, if you're You can't nine on 10 and the one it's he

he's able to say, hey, I'm able to an aide another, I'm able to get in an

other, I imagine it's that. It's not necessarily not more, you know, carbure to carbure to the resulta

in time on the depending on, you know, there's a lot of things, we've got

the resultat a little bit but when you're intervening in the one on one, it's per

that's able to let's say 10 years after when you're trying to turn to take

your march, and that I'm not there for to know, but it's not that my attempt invert you, you know, it's that it's like to illumine something, even if it's in 10 years, it's not grave, it's really to let's pre on the attendants, you know,

that's the way, what I'm going to say, or what's what we're doing, you know, or what we're doing, you know, and it can't be a year, and it can't be that it may not, and perhaps that it will happen in your life. Is it easy to decroche?

Eh, it's a bit more easy, but it's so, but you make a card, it's super important, to have to

have to be in the domain of when you're in the department, because it's sure that you can't play, the role that's in trying to play,

it's all the time to look, and the intervention is that that's what, it's been to be working on you,

it's been to reflect plenty of things. So, if you're not someone who has an introspection, well,

you're not at a good place, you'd never to try in intervention, Well, that's my opinion, but, you know, I think that's really important to have an introspection.

So, I mean, it's got grander in all this, you know, in the other... You know, I'm the impression to me understand to talk about my podcast. So, maybe I don't know. So, maybe it's not...

Listen, if you know, we'll have, we've read often, these intervenants that me say, you'd be, you know, you'd be a good intervener, and then, and I'd say, I'm, I discuss with people who are insured,

who are reassured, who are rehabilitated, it's easy. I'm not, I'm not, you know, not the long term, but I'm not to be able to

with us other for them, to help, you know, they've done, they've done, they've done, they're doing,

so, yeah, I, yeah, I, I'm not, the judgment, but I, but I don't know

in some, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm at my point intervening

in a center in toxicomani, I think not that I'm able to get a child who'd be able to see a lot of because he

will not be there and he's a dick and he'll be to be able to and he's talking his story and that I'm able to get rid

so I'm like I'm not sure that I'm not I'm not the patience so but just to have an space for

be heard you know, but, you know, when you do that, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's,

it's what, it's, that's what, it's, I mean, I mean, I'm doing, I'm doing,

I'm doing, so I'm, so I'm, so, so, I know, they'll do it, and I'm, and I see,

what's, because I, in the two last years that's, that's, my mentality on many,

my mentality, so, it's, and it's, and it, it's, it, It makes

grandire and then and bravo because we will never enough to be able to all the

intervenants as much the car. So, Clark, what's what's

what you have 27 you said? It's a long time. Yeah, it's a long time.

In fact, in fact, very young I had it was sensible to the conscience

social. My mother had not intervenant but she had an empathy social, you know, the people

who'd live the misery. And it's like, it's like, my grand my mother, my mother,

she, she, she, my mother, she had, like, today, she'd have, like,

what, she'd, and she, she, she, the people, of the family, who,

she had, they had, they had two, but, a long term, and it's, they're, there,

there, one, who had young, you know, it's finally, she'd be still still living, but

she'd be working, she had been able, she, and I'd reasoned, you know, it'd

really about in me, the aspect to bring soin, aid, listen, and it's

all the time, it's all the time, it's natural, and then like Catherine did,

we're our own own tool to work, so it's not to get a

new gadgets to be more more more perform at work, it's more to be more to work on yourself.

Effectively, you have who are who are in there who are some of the parents or young or even some of the colleagues, you know, they need to say,

it's how it's how it's it's a brazen the same or, you know, then there's a work on you know, so

that you don't have to work on and it's, it's, it's, you need to you know,

why, you know, we're going, you know, we're not a good tux of success with the young, you know,

what's the resonant to me. So, like, it's auto-analysis, and so, okay, well, you know, okay, you know, you know, it's not that I'm not going to be, you know, you know, you know, it's, you know, it's the chemines who, you know, to live and let's live, accompany, and aid,

so long as long as that the young before you, who, who is, who, who, that, you know, that has a communication, even if it's up and down, a bad choice, he recommends, as a lot of, the link that's

it perdures, you know, it's so, we can't, there's a, they're quite they want, I'm not,

I'm going to respect, you don't want to have any problem, I'm not fashed, there's there, there's

there, there's just to have a little hand, you'll go to, you know, so, so,

so, so, and to stay, and devolue. I'm not the same intervenant that I'm at the beginning. I mean, well, it's so, we're going to evolve all the time.

The 10-1st-year-old I'm in my career, I'm an interminant social, so, you know, I've been to, you know, I've been to do tribunal, I've been to write, the report,

I've made a majority, you know, I decimed of the family, you know, when you place, and finally, they go down in four resources, you say, what the fuck, you know?

You don't, you want that? I don't, but the system is gross. The system is, in fact, there's a place, there, one, and you say, you know, you say, that's a barnuch, well, that, that's done

more of the, you know, because you see the, you know, and then, you know, you're a rookie, and then, you know, you, and then, you know, the moindromal, we're not doing that, in our jargon, we're not, you know, what, the most of them, so, you know, so, you know, it's not, it's not a choice winner, but it's going to be the

it's more of mal. So, that's going to get in with the time, I've got

I'm not sure the interment social, I'm in the name, I know the mechanism, but I'm

too, but Yeah, too, Yeah, and the practice has changed, the 25

years, you were doing the intervention, you know, I was with a colleague that I'm

old, I'm almost, and now, the new generation of intermen social, I'm, I call them, it's not the system

that they're the same, but I'm just the agents administrative, because they're much more before the audio, and that I'm not generalize, but I'm to see, I'm going to be when I was an interminant social,

I'd do you know, I'd go to see, I'd go to the school, the professors, the parents, at the house, all that, today, the practice has changed. There's a lot more of tasks administrative, the clinic, but it's

that's the relationship that's not in distance, she, it's far as in presential it's just to accompany that a young that you want to have a link with a young

that's 6, 12, or that you have 16, 17, the same thing with a parent, if you see, one one, the impact

in your relation of aid and the changement of I can't say because the two last years that I've been adopted my feet,

I've not seen an intervenant. I mean, I'd envoyed a fax. There, that's

probably changed, but it's again nine he'd have to be to make

a line at the house, what I'm to get, a house, and I

had to get a for me the paper to get not in the detail, but,

you know, it was my sole contact, it was a fax one by me,

after that after that's like, oh, hey, the adoption on Oh, okay, Chris,

you know, we'd have no, we never, we've had a lot of, you know, it's like, so you know, I'm not

even not, you know, it's not, you know, it's sure that it's a good show, because I'm

saying, well, I'm saying, I mean, I mean, I mean, my kids, my feet,

my feet, I, you know, but you know, but you know, at what, you know, when you're coming,

my house had of the air of this, it had been of course, it's, it's a borde, it,

But I understand, I mean of the time, you know, I think they're in front of the time they think they're like, they're much, they're much, they're making their energy at these places that keep an eye on, you, guard your eyes there, because you're not sure of the family of the accuelly, not sure of the genus, not sure of the city. And I'm all the time more that make the energy so emissed on the family, like a bit more safe

than we, you know, there's never had any of any other, never had any of an appell of school, of what it's not the fact that I can that's I can't

that's but I'm but the difference I think in the life of those

we're to be to be the more authentic possible integged respect

you and be to be at the question and I think we're

we're all the time plenty of grain and it's sure we We'll, we'll never

not be the result necessarily, but sometimes, you know, it's been a reason to cross a young that I've used,

there's a part of my question. And then bang, you know, they'll cross some of it and it's super

interesting to be crossy by a chance and to have, where they're who are, who are, who are,

and we have some of, and you know, and you know, just a, just a week past, you go down

a center of re-adaptation for to see, and one who says, Hey, Claude, hello, hello. I said, I said, hello to all the young,

but I don't know. Maybe I said, say, hello, I said, hello, I said, but he's called, and he said, you know, I'm gonna, and he's,

and I'm gonna, and I said, well, I'm gonna work with five, and six years, he had gone to at six years, it's sure that's

that's changed, he ran into in a quarter of man, and and I said, oh, well, I think to too often,

because just Raphael, he abit at the coat to his mother and I was so I'm going to I'm going to my second,

I'm going to see, I'm going to the name, and then I'm going to be cool, when you know, my mother,

my mom, you know, and then you got to see, and then you know, I'm doing in a fashion tomic,

you're getting a little in a, what's you see, you know, so, so, so,

so, like, I, I said, well, I'm going to go past, and I'm going to

pass, So, he's going to his parents also, you know, I was in my caseload

and, you know, I'm going to other and you know, it's been a lot of it's, but you know,

there, I'm like, I'm like a demonstration that's that's I had left

little green the fun, even if... But when I'm asked a Catherine, Tantot,

what's what he does he do you do you know of things, I imagine that you say,

hey, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not it's

It's like a pay like it's a form of pay, to live that to have a little clings of saying, oh,

well, it's on the good way, it's so it's a different what you do so it's it's always

the fun. Sometimes we don't know but other times, we know, you know, you're a

bit more year than Catherine, you know, someone who's working at a shop for 30

years, that I know, to go to a 30th Annette, you're out of Maratria,

you're going to be in Maratatat, a veteran, an intervenant, You've got to do you to be able to be able to be a lot long time by a chef of unity. And I'm not going to be able to be able to be. And I see not to stop rapidly, you know, because I

like my work, and I see, and I see, I'm not the time past, and then, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's good for me, and it's good for the other, and it's it does a sense when I'm up I'm going to do to do that

and there's a whole lot of it's not not a routine necessarily, I don't never what's that's coming. I've got to

my day, and finally, whoop, I'll receive a oh, okay, now I'm going to it's a bit furkey at 180.

So, it's not some of the urgence like the 9-1, but sometimes it's very, very important, and it can be

pretty careful, and I'm saying, oh, okay, there, I'll pass the affair, I'll go to ask,

or I'm going to Because if I don't the energy on that today, you can you can't

you can't for X reason. I'm going to see, according my priority, saying,

you know, I'm also to give the time that. And your know, you know,

you know, you know, the red flag, you know, the, you know, you know, you know,

you know, you're in the way, in the way, in the same retraty, you know, you're,

you're crosser some, you know, going to jaze with us other, and I, you know, like, you know, like, you'd say, as you know, like, there's a lot of, and, you see, but that's, but that's, but I'm, you go, you're going to do with, you'd want to do. But, you know, there's like, you have a little film entrepreneur, and he, you know, there's a little film entrepreneur in him. Okay.

By rapport to the project, if we come to that, you know, I think that, you know, other than intervention, you know, I, you know, I'll let's, you know, there's something, where is like, like, we have defrished, you, where is, you have, you have a, you have a vision, you of entrepreneurs for to go where is we're going to

get to the general of guy, you know, at a retrait who will kind of organizing

these levets to fom I think. I've got to rest active, effectively and it

can be pretty sort of of a tangente but to to work

to help my prochin I, I, I, I think that

by the difference to send trade an conscience social that is

there, and I think that's essential to be being very-veillance. And we can do that

without to make some view on Instagram. It's one of the thing that's one of my life

that's if you want to if you want to do not not that on the internet it's just

it just got to get to get to the time as much if there's there's people who

have the money for you fail it for for these stuff like for the person who has

a time that has a So, incognito and anonym, and, you know, the job is made. But it's that, you know,

you're doing, you know, if you're there already, just it's not to have some to have the , you know,

it's just for to demonstrate what you're doing, you know, and I think that's important, it's an episode for me super important,

you know, so you're doing to do you, do you know, to do you? For many of years that you've been in this

million, in the project, project? No, no, in the intervention, that you've commenced

all the branches that it's going to it's going to do it's to have to do you know it's a

and there again, after you're at all at all at all at a changing

to be changed I've been I've been in taxco I've worked with the

family of violence conjugated I've really been really more with a clientele

family and after after that after that after that I'm I'm like I'm

like I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm still again but we're, you know, we're a resource

external, so we're not at all the day, you know, from the morning or or the clientele, so it's a permit to have, be, a distance, you know, so, so,

so, so, I, I'm, I'm, you know, my life, because it's not necessarily easy, and, and with the time, I realized that it's not made for me,

so, so, so, so, today, the important is to find it's a branch in the intervention, exactly, and, and you'll try, and then,

and, you know, and, you know, I mean, I mean, I'm always with the terrain, like Claude said, you know, more that you're in line with the reality, plus that you're listening, plus that you can create

some things. So, I'm really in the creativity, and to make in place these initiatives, like, these projects like that and you allude.

And you're in fact. Direct, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, exactly.

And preche, by the example, it's very effective. It's, it's, um, in the project, We have made

several unities of life and we have not the same role but we

work with the same young at the same place and our approach is

different and we we we see the young and even if they are in choler

frustrated they want they're they're we're we let ventilate they're

we're and then we we're we're react because a young

has not a man, you know, I'm a caricaturise a bit, but you want to you want to

because your view is to get to be able to get to be like you can't be able to do you know, but the

the cord is not more loose, so, so, so, sometimes we get these things, because it's

that at the card, there's no, I'm saying, I'm with a gang of adult and and I,

I did what I do you do do something to say, if somebody me says, hey, we can't

I'm going to be shied in time. I understand. My mistake. I'm not going to be like that. So I imagine even not a young a little rebel. It's a good. It's not.

And, the other than I'm going to say to the intervention, you know, intervene not, does not, because he has not a levered his

hand, he has cut the word. We, and, to all the experience, we have never due to gerry

of discipline. I'd never to say to say to someone, hey, if it's not interest not, you're not obliges to make a part of the atelier.

Never, we've done that. Jamest, we're doing, well, we're going to make my at the entire, because everyone doesn't not, never.

The young, I don't know why, but the dynamic is different. The young lift the hand, I say, okay, base your man, all the

man, all the man, all right, you retient your question, rest not five minutes of then, then, so, so,

so, that can be propists at these judgments, we've had the mayor of the young in their maturity, in their respect, their listen,

and we've been often Flaugasse and I know, wow, what a bell atalier and a minute we've made.

And even, it's so, the invite, just, when they come, when they're being, they're really flabbergasted,

they're like, my God, they're both, he pose these questions, they're attentive, they're attentive,

they're allude, and I'm We're not for all. We think to the cinema, center

of the community that will arrive with a band of young inattentive who will

get to that's not that's not that. We create something. I'm let's continue

that. But I think that I'm a good to understand in 2025 because

I think we have a strong tendency today with what we know

and the image that is projected to to, to understand that

just that, and we we're we talk we talk of young that they

don't that who arrives at, you know, and I'm going to get it, and I'm going to get it. But, I think that it comes at the base of the intervention that you've done, of the approach that you've done, of the experience that you have, that makes that make that, you know, because, you know, I think that the same atelier, with the people different, with an approach different, would probably not be the result of that.

Effectively, we're trying to, it's for that we're trying to, you know, to propagate a little this practice that to enter in the unities,

to have these pivots, to do do you, to work in conciliation with the

milieu school and normalized and to go to go to an practice different.

And, you know, for my part, there's there's a many generations of

intervenants and there's a new generation there have a much more an

There's an open-upor, there's a more of resistance, because it's a thing that's 15, 20 years, they've worked all the time in a center of readaptation. There's an usur that's install the usure of the intervention, you know, it's so that you've become too empathic, you see, the difficulties, you become of a glass, and you're completely... Yeah, you can have to lose of compassion also. Yeah, the user of compassion. So it's a lot of you

take care of, as a person, you have to be able to be able to... You know, you have to be in life. You don't know if you're not to attend their retreat, and you have to propage this equilibrium there, and the mayor,

I work sometimes with these young intervenants, you know, and, let's talk, they apprehend, they're apprehension, and their approach, the young will feel

that the intervenant is insecure because it's inexpermented. But in a bono to go to study there because it's an interest to be in

in a relation of aid, but when you don't have not experience, there's, you know, there's a place to

get to be in. Exactly, and it's, and it's the tough, when you're young, so I think

that when we work with another way, we're in in an unit of adaptation,

and, you know, we're not there for the young, we're there for the allegee. In

working on complementarity, it's really that that's the objective. And then it's a part of fruit. Really, it's good.

And, you know, it's a bit. It's a lot of, you know, to be able to be able to, we know, we can't be able to be able to be extraordinary when it's, when it's been very that's more cora,

who are, you, to this fashion, so, it's sure that it's sure that it's a patience, the bienveillance, but, especially of the communication, you,

it's to say, well, you know, I can't impose my fashion to travel, and they can't me impose not they'll impose not

so we're going to get to get to make a way to I'm in my way to

I think the protection of the protection of youngness has a lot of what you

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has been to be at the We're going to say. A remise in question. There's a question. Thank you. What we do with the young

and that we're more of resistance because the young understand as well, you know, because it's a moment there's not discipline, there's no consequence, we're not going, you know, and what's it, you know,

and what's your own, you know, and what's your interests, and then, you know, we're trying to to pose this question that in the routine in these moments very precise.

It's sure, because, you know, there's that there's a lot, you know, when you're in a center for their, you know, I mean, I'm saying, you know, we're not there, we're not, we're not, we're not, hey,

it's so, you know, we're saying, hey, we're, it's very easy, it's, no, no, there, there, there, like, in the prisons,

there's a medium, and the minimum, and the maximum, and the super maximum, because there are people who are who are the people who are, they're doing,

they're there, and they're not nobody to, you know, I don't know, you know, there's there's a lot of, you know, our colleagues, our colleagues who are, the equities, in the

unit of re-adaptation, you know, at the same time that the young, they have to be able to, to be able to, to be to be able to, and to be listening, like, what

you think that the young are what we can do, what we can do, because there has been a resistance, you know, it's normal, it's a changement

major, this approach and then it's a new newtty, so the resistance. And then you've got to me say how to work here? It's been 20 years

I've been to work in this community that so we've said a challenge and we're going to try to make them to make

them to make consider as as a partner and not of a rivalry. So, we've felt

a bit what we're doing with the young, say, well, okay, in a reunion of

people, okay, we're we're what you've been to make, what's what you have remarked, what's what is good, what's what's going to be

to have their feedback? To get to get a bit to get a little there's a little other things, you know, I've had this feedback that, you know,

people who are people who are, you know, the people are, you know, the gardener of and the people are like, hey, it's a

help to think in the door of the dossier. Because, you know, we know, because, you know, we know what, you know,

because, you know, it's for that it's for sort of the knee to the dossier of the dossier of, to have a vision to talk

more global. And also to look more than you know, they're also, they're in here for six months, or is here for

a year, or it's a year, so so that the young, he's crystallized than the intervenant,

and he's all the time, like the garden of prison are all the time, they're their time to their time

and there, and the perspective, it's, it's, it's so it's so we, we know,

we know, that it will have a after, and it's, it's famous this time But when you're in there, you say,

my God, what you're in front, the young say, they're not, they've seen, but they're... Yeah, it's the idea is to be progette to, say,

more than 18th it's not, it's not long, that, the 18th and he is close to that. And when we're 17 years, we're doing,

we know, when we're in 17 years, the last year, the last year after the major, it's past super fast,

then the young comes to be to be more anxious, so, Poopo, pooh, so... The story of... It's a fight that's 18-year-old.

Ponged your stock, and your camp. If you... It's just a lot of it, but not... It's just for that that the program, Qualification Youngest, has been a day for evite that they sort with

these sacs of poebell, with their linge in. It's a good thing, that. Yeah, it's a... Good fight. Yeah. And then, But it's all right, it's the organisms in

that that's not financed in part by the government, but there are some people who have who have fallen to these organisms that to help us, you know, I think, as I said at the beginning, I think, I was talking about to the Amazon Stephen Fleleau podcast

because I know them, there are two of the intervenants who are invited by their parko, that's the people who are those people who are criminal, you know, that today,

You know, I'm a humorist, I'm a humorist, also. You know, I've just made for the show for a lot and stuff, you know, so I'm like, I'm still, but again, that's not the government that's created the Mason Stephen Falu.

It's Posa, who is an organist that, you know, I think it's, you know, I think it's so, but I think it deplorable that there are to do that, that's the organism is to do that.

It's the government that should, you can't say, I've had, the term, it's been, you know, in my filet for 10 years,

12, 15, 3 years, and then, ideally, there would be there's a lot of,

there's a thing, there's a period of transition. There's not not enough. There's not enough of

there. There's not enough of resources. It's so, it's so, the fluo. It's there

there's there's a there's a there's a thing, it's not to invests there to be there

because I'm there's not there's not there's not there's not there's not there's not It's not

beau, it's not vander, you're not, you know, you're not to have to get reeled,

it's in a last of the three-est three-line, you're not to have to we're not, you know,

so, so it's, it's not a vendor, but it's, it's, it's like, we're going to

cut it, we're just we're not, you know, we're not, we're not, I'd be part of the

part of, because, you, yeah, sometimes the government, and me, it's,

it's, it's not, It's not very. There's a bit of gay-te-to-care, but it's like, there's there too many of the there's a lot, and I think we're not, but we're not to hear it, I think.

I like the best of story. In 27 years, there's one, you say, hey, I'm doing a tap in the door, you know, or a young that you've made, like, you know, I don't know, I don't know where we're going to

and say, and you're doing it, and you do it, like, Chris, he's But I'm Fierre of them because, you I'm in the

end of line, it's they are responsible of their bonner and their success

or in their cheques, the bad choices. But I've had a young of

17 and it has been a year, it's on residence, has been

to pass to the tribunal, I had given the cue all, but

at the end, it has been emanciped to the tribunal to the Tribunal of the

Genese, at 17 and emanciped, it's been to be a major and is a job on major and at 17

and it's past this winter, 17 years, and some year, a year of this jeep who are

permitted to their char and then emancipate. Now I'm there, I'm there, plus in backup,

but you know, I've, effectively, um, to have there are not these young at D.P.J. that you see, they're going to Segept, it's like an exception.

But, you know, the young of 16, 17-year, who are a second-air, who want to go to Segepe, you're in like, the normality, almost, or an D.E.P. But those that you cross, in general, in your because you have, they're on 18-year, and they're even not finished in sixth year, you know, and you know, and you know, they don't, they don't have not, they don't have not, they don't have, they don't, they don't know,

When you've seen a young who has had plenty of displacement, the changements of school, all that, she has received the normality, has never been redoubled, to finish the secondar,

has done so on the finishant, you know, to CCEP, and your residence, you know, it's sure that we have the foundation that's the aid

financiallyment, you know, the prez and bourse when you've not had a good amount, and you can pay your affairs, and live,

you know, not rich, but alize. Then, you know, I feel like to have been happy to have been resorted, but, you know, she's her success.

It's, it's, it's because she's there that, it would have been there. But the fact that you've been there,

you have facilitated, you have done the resources. It's so, exactly. It's in a place, get, that it exists,

and so it will be able to then we're we're these intermediaries, we're, we're the medicine generalists.

You can We're going to be, well, they're going, well, we're going to be, you know, specialists. I like the, yeah, it's so, you know, to have a neurolog, we'll have a dermatologist, you know, okay. Yeah, no, okay. Yeah, no, you're just, you're like, you're, like, what we can't say, that's what we're saying, it's less, we're paying. Oh, yeah. I know not, but I'm not a job payout, you know, it's not a job payout, you know, we're not, we're

We don't do not for the salary. It's so, effectively. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, if you're, you know, it's not, you know, it's a lot, you know, it's, you know, we've, well, you know, well, bravo, bravo for that, and bravo for what you do, the before we're, you're, you're, a pill of a few, at the coat of you. Yeah, and at the base, time, it's a project, we're going to be a little bit, for the people

understand because maybe that at the end of the podcast he will have been a

question, you know, you're talking you know, you know, you're talking the young and you have made,

why I'm, why I'll explain, when you can tell them to tell them to tell you to make,

well, in the times we have some of some people, we have some activities special,

and we've made just to come just a person in the world of rap,

and we we said to you know, we did of brainstorming, we're doing an atollier

of Islam where's what you're at 18 years, it's what your life and at 18

18th it's what you're after that that's that's individual so they're all together

that's all together they've written in the text for their in the form

to give a voice just what? The slams it's the the poise

it's so that he was he had there had there there had to there

was a who did also of the Islam, and brief, they've written

these texts extremely beautiful. I wanted to learn the way to learn their voice,

because the young at the APJ they have the aspect of the confidentiality, we can't take it in

photo, we can't put it in the media, it's correct, it's normal. We say, we're just,

we respect that 100% and then I'm said, the fact of the fact of the world, it

has part of the project. Because at At the base, our first context, it was that. It was so. And there, we've talked a lot of the advance. I'm not exactly when it's what he's going to be able, but we're quite quite quite enough of advance.

And then we're saying, because what we're going, in the fun, I'm sure, at the basis that I'd have made, is that the young leased their text. For the reasons that you've just mentioned, we can't, neither they're enraustre, nor they're filmed, what I respect to. What I respect, it, it, it's a soundly bad. But it's these texts that are written by these young

who are in center of youngness and who have written their aspirations or in the case texts are related to

So, so he will see after the episode, okay, it's going to me who will they leave, I don't,

you know, who will have been used, I know, a comedian that I will engage

a rapper, I know, but we will selection some text and at the end of this episode

there, there will there to have lecture of some text of the young,

because I want to we're talking to hear of the voice of these young, and I'm

also, I'm going to read, that's sure and certain. How is they're going to be diffus

after this podcast, I know, you know, I'll see to know, at the moment when we're just, I

don't know, and in the time, you'll get to discover what we're going to have done with

the text that. So, if, if it's to be to do it, we're

we're saying, it's it's not There are some of the ex-placet also that is... It's true, we're talking to some of the ex-placet, in the fond, so it's been that it's been that they're going to read

these texts, these young, who are, we know, so I'll say, I've said 20 times, I'll do, we'll see, we'll know, so you'll hear

this text that, of the bush of who you will discover in a few seconds. So, before that we understand these texts

that, I'll say two, three times during the podcast, but thank you. Thank you for a moment to have

been to me have presented Raphael, with whom I've made a very good episode. And thank to what you

do you do you do with the and what you're going to do. Because I know that's

a work of all the day, and this project that that you have made in this moment

that you want to propagate to associate just the organisms with

the The C.J. Just not just not all the decolice. So, we'll make the link. Envue me

the bill. They're doing for whatever. All right. All right. That the people can't help.

All right. You're in contact with my Catherine. I'm sorry with who I work.

And we're all right. And we're in you. I see not how. I mean, I saw auto-lance-a-trento, I lanced a little flash at these enterprises. I'm at once.

We'll try to see if there would be a person to organize a show benefit. We'll have to try to remorse a couple of Morris, if we arrive to be in a cell that's in Laurentides, we're going to, we'll have

to, we'll have to, we're working there on together. And it's maybe an enormous pleasure to take de-montant to come to see the young in one of

these atlilies with an enormous pleasure I think I think what I'm I think what I think what I've I've been

to be able to be able to make a number pleasure to rematch a little to get a meeting these young that

which are many of episodes for me I've made in thinking to these young that they're going

to be maybe trying some different before before to be around where certain

and the young are still. We're our invitation. Claude, thank you normally, when we're

when we're when we're doing two siages, we're more in front to face-a-face. Thank you

all, thank you me repeat. Thank you for being, but thank for what you do you

for what you do you're a great a big tribune for a little vulgarized

our and conscientized the people who have a packet of bon intervenant and they do the major

part of the people with their car. It's not the first that I'm not the first time that I've got to work in the middle that's an advocate or these shows

like that. I'm going to be transparent with you other. I don't know necessarily the episodes that are the most listened because the

people have the stories of the young directant, but I'm I continue to they're doing they're still

they're just that it's not parmi the those who are the most explode but I'm consider

that it's these episodes hyper And it's for that that I continue to do it because it's important that people

that people understand, because we can't be quite about these intervenants that I've used in my life and to have,

I think it's important, necessary, and it's so much it's really that you're there's really

that we can't to say, there's a change in the practice. It's continued to change and it

will be in it's amoling in some while what we know, you're all you are you're at the intern

you know, you know, It changed. Positively. Yeah. I'm so. I'm glad to it. All right.

Thank you. All right. All right. That's all right with Catherine and Claude. We had talked had, Catherine had in

the text that had been written by the DPI as we explained in the episode. We could not film these

young there because they are minor, but I had really that their text I can

a person who's a person that for who I mean a certain notoriety that I'm trying to approach to people. and the person who will read these texts that, is a person that I've been ambitious, serious, an obsession, without deception.

With pressure, I need to rest courageous. Getting out of that cage will be my only parade. My only goal is to take control of my soul

now that I am grown. I'm afraid of my parents, because they've always been absent. I'm not even abandoned as

I was like when I'm been born. I've been blessed, but I'm be able to be able,

but I'm to repombe. That person be there to help me to me help me because in the past

I've been manipulated, we've been escorted the diabble. I'm baffed, but now, would I be capable? Loan of my inquiries, loin of those who are in the most profound

of the ombs of my heart, the amor jayy for those who are for those who are for sure. The love is a verb that's all the time, but it is both

present, because the future makes rave and the paste makes a mal. The rechute is more strong than the

success. The success is the fertet that I'm conquies, grace to my recut. The past

me rattrape so I try to my enchant. I'm sorry, but I don't know what

I get. The confidence is for those who not know. My sole port of

sort of my efforts, it's my reportra to the liberty. Rive is grand for

my 18 years, I'm trying to do prove to do you don't that a word adult, the

violence is not a cult, rendered as I'm as I, I'm bany the

cicators that my abusers have caused. The women, that I've become the result of my choice, the life has forged over the field of the end.

I don't want to be an in-connue, rest in my solitude face to the poverty. I would have me discouraged and me would be arached to my liberty. I'd like to be muskled

and have plenty of my friends to my but I don't me end up to finish imprisoning. If I'd rest my mother, I'd be a couch potato,

but what can I do I'm doing to not restate gross? In my raves, I see astrophysicians, comprehend, learn, take power to the

life and make my in design. Open my heart, explore the opportunities. Rucing my studies will be able to

make sure to lose and to deceive my family. The core fragile me see with with the

last time the end up the end up and could be a drama horrible. I'm afraid that the

money is my own comfort, when I want I want, I want to see my

pance and I'm afraid of the poverty, to the future and the endue.

I don't want to normality in this society. Now, the love, anything that I soaring,

can me illuminate. A coup of fudre I don't know I'm sure to have too to be able to be able to get okay in

this society. It's just responsible for surmounting the poverty. Talking to women, our inspiration. I'd like

out of the toxicomani, restate in good term with the family and that they say that I'm the best

the best of the life. One way when I'm done too in my life, I'm me say that I'm

never at the height like my my friends. In the life, I've passed my time to to attend that change or

that's a chance to learn a change. Now, all of the time, there's a bit of time that will be

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