Au Parloir - Épisode #112 - Josh Seanosky

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Josh Seanosky ayant grandi au sein de la communauté religieuse contrôlée par le pasteur Claude Guillot. Pendant des années, lui et d’autres jeunes ont subi des sévices physiques et psychologiques graves : passages à tabac, violences répétées et un climat de peur constant. Cette période de maltraitance a laissé des séquelles profondes sur son développement personnel, social et familial. Aujourd’hui, Josh prend la parole pour briser le silence, dénoncer l’injustice et inspirer d’autres victimes à faire entendre leur voix. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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who's rouse a lot, who you do it. Thank you, Josh. Thank you, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be a little bit in my intro. A place where we've never been, it's, it was a long time. I'm talking with my team, that we'd want to be someone who has

view what you've a few, what you've viewed, because podcast on the universe carceral, I'm in

an end-in- a little, but I think the world sectar, if we can say, we can like that,

I think, and you would be probably with with me, it's a bit like a prison, because

you're in this pattern that, especially like you're like you, it's that you can't

you can be, you know, I want that you knew that you explain, it's what, I want to you to explain,

probably it's what this sect that? Who, you are, what's the vehicle there in,

how you're out of, you know, totally, finally. I'm, I'm, I'm affamied

of these information that because we often, the word sect, and you me said a

time to, you know, there are some people who are like this term that, on the

same in the case, but you say, it's all the aspects of one, so, all the

characteristics, it's so. So if the people I'm not this term that I think you've got you've been

you've got to give you know the right to be the name as you know the so I'll let's the

word. Thank you I'm going to start by I'd like that I'd like to say to say to I'm a little

who I'm a little who I'm who I'm doing because we're saying my objective today

and I'm sure you'll be with me we're talking we're we're talking a message of a sport.

I want to hear of an story horrible, a story like we're not quite, but that the people see what I'm

doing what I'm a guy of 32 I'm married, a pair of two children, it's a pair of two years, it's out of when I was 21-year

and at 21-year and I had been cuted completely from my life had been to 21 years. And I have

a message of people who people that, that's not If you know what you've been able to, how do you, to perpetuate the things difficult that you've lived, you can do have a moment of a day. It's the essence of this podcast, that.

Reinsertion, rehabilitation, and to have lived what you've lived, you've got to be able to talk. I know the grand line, but you've been to say, you've been to cut out of the world, and it's a 21-year-old. So, it's a re-insertion, because you know to reintegrate to a society that you know not. Exactly. So, it's for that I think that you've got your place.

And the message, you know, it's one of the first question that we pose, often, to people who want to come to podcast, is what your motive? Why do you want to come to podcast? And you had exactly the best response, you know, to us offer with all this package that. Exactly. So, you know, I've started a bit in explaining

in what I've grown, because there are things that you have to understand. I, in the fact, I've been born, I'm born, I'm born, from a parent, Batis, which was there from their young life adult

I'm I'm in there's it's it's in the batis evangelic the batis

it's a denomination to the protestants like you have these orders

for the Catholic it's just the other other the other people

but it's similar and like in any every religion there are

there there's there there's there is there people who serve

the religion for abuse who have these power

trip. When I'm going to talk about I'm trying to say that all the batists of the planet is the mad or that all the batists of the

Quebec is to that's not what I'm trying to say I'm trying to to say that you are these extremes and there are these mega

cars of conduct and I'm and I'm that I'm new. Is it the branch in which your

parents were your parents who were the parents who they were the branch in the branch in the sense that, and again

one time, the batiss, there are, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not, but it's for that,

I mean to say, it's for that, it's like, there's just things, you know, there's just a thing, you know,

and I, I'm, I do often at this podcast, that, for me, the religion, I'm not a

person, I'm not, but I, if it's, it helps, if it's had to be, to help,

to stop, to stop, to re- to re- to re- , to re- a, sometimes, I have

any problem with that. I just the time that you're trying to try to try to make, or you know, you're not, you know,

if there's, there's, like you do, that's a thing, and it's a thing, and they're doing bad,

and they, I'm not a problem with that, but when we're talking in these branches, it's like that's the

more that it's not, it's not, exactly, there's, there's any there's any that someone

can be to serve to serve the religion, to do the religion for for things that's criminal

that's, that's clear. But what I granded, it's the part of the Bible. We're in the

people, at least, they're authority, they're in the Bible. Then in the versees that talk to correct to

physically a child, like, that's a wife, the same, that's a person,

that's a verse to a proverb. When you you go the language original of the Bible,

if I'm probably the little a two dozen of the I'm granded there when it

when it It talks of virge. In the time, it's to talk to discipline. And I think there's person here who will be caught to discipline to a child.

A man has a problem. Like, we, the adult in society, we live in a card. So, it's all a quite normal.

But it's applied by certain, like those in the movement in which I'm made, in a way that's extremely literal

where a parent does frapping his infant to an extraire the mal of his heart with an object.

That's a commandment divine. If you do it you dozeobie to Do you? Fahke, the mentality

is like what that your name with the mal in him? Exactly. That's the infant,

he's conceived in the page. And that's often, and it's also a little a bit,

I'd say, very, what I've got to where the woman is a bit to the

woman is a bit a tapy. That's, it's very patented, so that their part of

all the authority, and it's he does he do frapping the infant. So it's part of the

and that this interpretation that's not all the practice that it's not really to be able to 70, 70

it's applied in a fashion literal. And so all it all comes with a denomé

Claude Guille in my history to it's a past, but Claude Guille is a guy who has been

a reconno who had been the 24 or 25 chief of the office will be to firm

causeant of lesions sequestration, and arcellingment, and there are other chief of accusation that would

be able to be able to be able to be to be able to the pen of eight in prison from December

2022. This guy that was a pastor. He was not in the church, he's not

Catholic, but he had been a conversion to the Batis at Victoria Ville

in 179. He had joined at the church to Victoria Ville. And he had rapidly

graved the echelons and been recognized by the pastor of the one of the

of the association of the church of the church in the church, so we'll

talk. He was remarked as being a disciple fervant, very, very, very, very,

very by the book. And they've decided to to start at the end of 80, a school Christian,

in 84, 85, who have used to have just at 80s children. And it's

there will be there will be there with my story, where I'm in 93, we're at

the beginning of the 80. The program that they've imported in their school is a program American, that's a program in English, so it's a program

in English, but it's a program that that's a problem that, I've not been in the system public, I've seen I've seen, where you see

a young that's made, you see, a guy, it's pancheed, and you know, the, you know, the, you know,

that's, you know, that it's a problem, it's normal, it's normalized. Oh, yes. So, so, that's the program

that since they had and Claude Guilla had been named director of the school. He's the

he came to get a sentence. Exactly. So, so it's a start the beginning,

he had been director between 82, 84, it was it was part of his responsibility official

to frapping the children. They had different palettes, and he, as he

than the monitor had like as responsibility to have to have been the

parents, who came their children who have signed if a parent didn't accept

not that the professor director don't the facet to the school, they could

not invite their their children. So, the parents had sign a

consent of violence physical of their parents. Yes, and as a commandment

divin and so there had the pressure religious and it was the abuse

religious rendered there. So the parents that had consent

just a certain point but, but again, what what

was consented It was, for example, three, five tap for these faults here, and there but rapidly, what the people saw have gone to,

is that it had passed, again a while, the border, we're saying, I don't know, I'm sure what you say.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, exactly,

by, in a certain way, we, we're, we're saying, we're at a base,

that I'm, I'm trying, I'm, I'm not, I can't consover that, It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, in

the case, the parents did so, then, then, uh, Claude Guillaume batted the children, we're, we're, we're, at a part of the age, of four, five, years, just as 11, 12, and it, it was, it was, by the book,

and he had been congedy by the, by the, the pastor of the time, Gabriel Cottoe, he had been convicted in 84, because, he had, at cause of the plaintiffs

he had said, he said, if it continued, we'll offer these plaintiffs, by fear that it would have also

an other story, the abu at the school at the church of Windsor. But, you know,

you have the right to bat my man, but hey, hey, you'll be you're,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, in any case,

but, but, you know, I mean, you know, there's a little a bit

good sense in these parents that, and, you know, if you're at audio, you know, you're not at my face in this moment with my bon sense, I'm not the most of the face,

but, you know, it's like, call, in the case. You're not sure I'm not finished to sacrament. No, no, no. We're in total authenticity, but when I'm, we're talking, we're talking, there's a person,

one parent in particular that I'm at all the current who had made, but it's the majority of parents in doce what's what you're there, there are these young there who have finished in prison, there are

these young who are suicide after what who have been in this school that he has made

a problem and the reason for the reason for the he had been because he batted the end of the

there's not that's the question, he said, he said to a claud, he said to talk,

well, you know, you've done the responsibility to frapping the and that's a problem

that's to correct to correct to do you think that if if I'm doing to do you're trying to

disobe to you. Even for Clod Guo, it's a non-sense to

be saying calm to And there, he was congedy, he was parted, but he rests in my term with all of this gang there, he is then to go to Quebec, at the Eglise of Chauveau. Where's still in contact with the same dirigent of this association there, Gabriel Cottermore and company, he is to have done a pastor, who is the equivalent of a curate, you give you a position of authority. And that, the people who are in Quebec, it's a little world, it's the best of the

Quebec. He was all the good man who's the man who's the one of them, he's been congedy as a director of Vito, and not because he had been a child of care, he accept, he did his studies in theology, he graduates, he is ordained a pastor in in 1921, officially, so,

ordone, the leader of honor, it was Gabriel Cotton, the guy who he had congedy in 84. So, he has the support moral of this beau monde, there, maligny what he know that he had made in these

years, and also that he had continued to do it, I mean, I mean, the years,

it was with their own times, that they had the stories that was in the time

on the court of an action to justice that I mean present, where the

people, the people, that, you know, there was a place,

there were where the parents were in the years, and there didn't, and there

didn't, they've been to be recognized, the support, until in 1998, and he was out of his same of this association, in 2003.

I'll pass rapidly, for to explain a little bit the grand line in which movement he'd evolve. So when we're to, where he comes, this story of frapping the children, it comes to an interpretation completely tordu, of the

Bible, and applied to the letter, that Claude Guillaume, have applied to the letter. I mean, I, I do often that Claude Guillaume had been the most integral of this gang that.

Because he, even on today he clomb his innocence and he said, I've made exactly what I'm doing what I'm

going to do you know, but the other, the other politicians, the gross organization it's defile

in saying, no, we're not we're not responsible of nothing, and it's the fault to Guilla

to get to a minute, Claude Guilla before to come, to come, to come, to come,

there was a children, even two, I think, he'd not know he'd not grandied with that,

this story to batte of the family, the only the only he had learned that

he's in this milieu he has followed the norm exactly. Exactly, I,

and I've lived three years, I know, I know like the phone of my poche,

it's not that's a zero creativity. He will be by the book, all the all the

he will be and he derograper not and he will be that's the that comes this interpretation

And that, well, there are who are going to say, yeah, but it's not all the world who are the same. I'm sorry. There are who are going to

go to say, but there's probably there probably there are probably some kind of in the last years who have at different

levels. But one a coup, it's too. And then of any way that we can say that

God ordone to try to if it's the case, I'm excused, that he makes the

marred. It has no That's the sense. Of the whole, you know, it's... It's easy to interpretate a book that has been

written a year, there's a million of the way to be in a way to that's been in a language, that you don't, let's turn,

in the language in the language, so you can interpretate a life of the way that you know, I mean, if you're doing,

if you, you know, we're looking on a toilet of an artist we're not necessarily to do it

and we can't be it, so, so, so, because it's written in a book

that's you can you can you can you can't do you do you know I'm saying

I'm saying I'm consider the Bible like a artistic you know personally I consider it

like a book and not a mode of life but you there's there's a

movie and there there's a thing that that I'm this bootl that's it's

that it's it's but it's it's something that's something that's a in the milieu like that

are very rigid, very buy-de-book, the spirit critic brings completely the bar. And it's like that it becomes dangerous because there's

to make a far of things, because you have to ask you, I'm going to be the book, but why, because it's that.

It's like the problems so it's in this context that that I'm that I'm in I'm in the I'm in the 11th

1913. Your parents, they're going to, is a little the history of pattern of what's

he has made that's that's it's that's it's about the

part of the people people like the people they're the twist

for repair the people that's I look all

who are who are rest in their in some so some

jogue it's all people with these many my

parents my grand father who today he had abandoned

when he had my my pair had not He had been a bit of a figure of paternal, and my grandpair, it's not a person recommendable.

My mother, his father, is alcoholic, and he is deced, while she was a little young. She has lived an infance a little difficult. So, it's two persons fragile who are they were in the same years where they were at the same year who's that, he studied, and they they were married to the Igles of Quebec-esque, the church, in which I'm a little bit of the church

where the church where Guilla was. And then we're other who had to adder to that. And he was there when Claude Guillae was arrived as a pastor of this church, so I'm even not born, and my parents had already received the course, Guillaume, they're

going to teach them, something we called the Method of Edio, which is an Dood American who had been to ensigned this sort of way of the children, that he had extremely rigid and all that. My parents had not even

had had five and he had already, he's all the whole already had done programing that he's made in a new

he's in there you know, it's a commandment of you know, it's there's a conference, there's been in a church in eight or so

the individual in question, Garadio would have done these conferences and he vanded these objects, he vanded they'd be

some straps in quire to parents. In plus to his brick, his manual or some

has some there's something absolutely abuventable in. So that I think, I think

you can't, it's normalized, it was encouraged, it was recommended in the middle of trying to try to find out. Guilla,

it's just the guy who has applied that at the letter, and it's a little isolated and it's radicalized. But he

had been, I'd could live with to mind to someone of the other? You've asked a

question? So, you've got four and a sister? I've three,

three friends, one of three, is the first? No, I'm the second,

the family. Okay. Is is sure that we're We'll revene there too, but is the

sole who is out of the there's a lot that's the third of the family. Are you at so you talk

to them, without they're necessarily? Okay, perfect. We'll come back when we're there,

but I was just curious to to see how we can't get into in... No, no, I'm not

not, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, but it's just to know how we're going to be able to to be able to

not put in the barren no, I'm no, I don't know, we all, we all, we all,

Sough my son, because my mother had been out of this milieu that was in 2002. But my three

my three other father, we have all all of them, and there are one who is there who has 31 years,

but it's interesting, we're going to talk about the sequestration, the prison, the prison religious,

the prison of the brainwashage can be the worse than a prison physical. Because when

you're rendered at 31 year, you're still there, you're still there, by your proper choice, because

you think that you're just this guy that that has reason, and that all the world around, it's to the marred. There's nothing to do you know.

I've seen it. I've lived 13 at 21 years, I'm going to be brain-washy. Because I was convinced when I'm out of the glou

that's not a good, and that all that I had lived, I've been merited, and that even it's a proof of the love of the

part of Guilla that he's made. Before, it was 21, we're going to go to you get with the nascence.

We've we've understood it's a A little, it's what the concept who is this man, your parents, your parents, a little bit of your parents,

you're, let's on the hour of that. In other than, it's, it were these good parents, it were the good person, you know. I've not

known my parents so on a major job, but what I've made to say by people who they have caughtoyed, is that

before that on the jukes of Guillaume, it was just the good person. The good person. It was not the people who are fucking. But, you know, it's a lot that's made. I think it's a lot of people who are made aspirate, and who are they turned and they're doing other people after that.

Have you been a lot of them? My mother, a time and time, but for me, it's difficult because she's not even though all over totally liberated in her head, even if it's over the 20 years, she's out of the culpability, but he's not capable to express

and not necessarily capable to know to recognize his talk not there in then.

And my father, when I'm when I'm back in 2014 the last last time I said,

he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, I've been

nothing to say, at least to return to to Mr. Guil. It's was the

last time he was talking. So he he's again, completely lave of

he's still he's still there, he's still he's even he's even been in court

and he's even The DPJ had tried to him to make understand, but look at your parents have been able to

he never not think it's arived. So, that's it's, I've got to do you have to doye

of your of my father, even of my mother, of a certain way, because

he's, you know, he has all destroyed this guy that, he has all destroyed

on his pastage. And then if we're to my nascent, well, I'm

in the context that. From zero to eight years, I've lived in

my parents, but my parents applied also, but my parents, there were

a palette in wood, there was a little strap in sort of plastic stratified. So I

made by my mother and by my mother, and our family were disfunctional.

But, a lot, it's because there were all the time Guilla who came made

his own in the life of the life, to say what the consequences

that the parents would have done to make the abyssbe between the two parents, they're saying,

like the mother, you know, they're going to get to get to be a lot of,

the family are doing it's a lot of a shican, there's a person who came to get on

down. The education at the house, it had not to have to get the

people, because that it's satan. So, he had introduced the famous program ACE

who had who had been the director in the 80, the years, he had made that,

so, at the my mom, my mother, she didn't work, she did the education at the home, but there were Claudio and his female in her who had made the

decision, to ensure that all of the rule. Parreys for all the consequences, at a moment of the program that,

we've passed these instruments of the method edzo, they have added the great palette in wood, and you're going to

it's a palette of three-quarters of puss of pussarce, in an era massif, sand, blue,

verny, by six puss of large by 12 puss of long. at the level of the palette to drop it with a manch. It was so.

And I received that after the age of I was like six years. My father me had done. He had been there's been six and eight

years because my father, my, but Guilla, he said, I had to have six, seven years,

the house, all had, all the house, and he said that if the house was the border, it was in my fault.

It was me that was a man who had a rebel and that I caused the border. My parents, at some

reprieue to go to seejue of several days. I've already been by Guillao in the subsoil of

his house before my parents. I'm still he's down in the house because apparently a

house I resisted and I don't know because we're saying, you receive a same, even an adult

he'd grier at a dollar but you don't know that you're six, seven,

eight years, no matter of the age, it's, it's inhumin it, it's soffle and you

have you move, it's not that you don't know when you're up in the air in his hand,

the same way, he's not that you Bouch, you play, have not that you cry. So, so he's made, he made,

he me put, he me to pose the hands on a table, to me to get back, my father my mother is there,

Claude Guio is there, the female, Gio, the feeney to get to be there, but there, I'm not to

move, but now I'm at a moment to know, at a minute, Guil me and he says, he goes to to be to

come to be to see how much, he's trying, so he's, and he makes the legs under his arms,

he made his hand on my neck he put in the right, he's in my hand in my bra and then he

me don't these great cut of palettes directly on my wife, before my

obviously I just seeble, but it's the people who have ensigned this guy that. The people who have institutionalized this fashion to view the

child as a monster. I have two children, there's four and two years, there's a lot of pure to buy with an

man. Hello, I'm in direct to Moe Studio, and I take a couple seconds to you talk

to you know, to you know, we had two, three,000 visioned by an episode and he was there, and sincerely,

if he had not been there, I don't I don't even if this project that exists still because they have really helped financially with this project that.

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a batting that you're not doing a bad time? Clearly, but in their head to us other, they

did the whole lot, they're doing all the reproach, are not prepared to get in question,

they're even that we're we're not, the victims that we want to be the money and that we're

people, and we're the enemy of God and the tools you, you're at times. Hey, it's not you have you, it's not for you guys, it's not fair to batte de the same? Yeah, it's, so, if you're going to be able to,

have a good at your medicine, you know? In any way, so, that's an example, and, so, and, and, and, and, as, and, as, as, and, as, as, you said, Guilla, did, that, all the bordele at the house, it's been of my fault, and, he had been asked, that, so,

that my parents me envoyed at DPJ, or who he'd be sent to you. But is, is, is it more stibled than your two other friends? For a motive?

I was, I was, I was a man who had been able to move to, and you know, there's an

more, you know, I'd be able to, I don't an example of a chien. A great chine, I,

I don't, a labrador, you let's enfirm in a three and a and you start never, he will become a chien

a problem. That's why Even affair for an For an infant In fact, I'm in a while, I'm in a adult, we've got to be at a dutte We've got to be in a sport Organized, you know,

if it's a new life normal I'm not that I'm in front, or at my parents or at your school, it's a type of that's a type of that's a lot

to talk to person It's not a system magistral like in in the schools normal, you know, you know, you've been to have been in the toilet or you'd have to leave

a little drapo so, so you'd get a minutere, your abimettry, it was hyper encodered. I had been I didn't need to move to

and I'd have to give a centen to say, I'd have to write the alphabene. I'd like,

no, I'd go out of the road, I'd do you have to do you, I'd just do you know, I'm doing it,

to be able to be able to see? But you pay the price in Estime? I'm, I'm,

I'd explodeed, and I had an character far also, and I'd say, I'd say, I'd say,

I'd be let's not market to see, and I'd spoted these young, So I've been, I've been, my friends have lived

these horrors, they've always experienced, but there were always one, there were one at Victoria Ville, that Guilla that Guilla had

had pre in grip, and then they had me, and the two we have these similarities, we would say that they'd be in grip of the young

and they wanted they'd let them, they'd like on, you know, they're so in the years era,

or, you know, we're going to cause, Exactly what he said. Probably that they'd be civiled those who would be probably more problematic

at the adolescence to be able to or to be able to counter the church so, no, no, we're going to because the other we've got to be

it's more easy. It's more easy. It's more easy to get to get us it's a lot of ecstatic, it's that's, it's, exactly. So, no,

effectively, I'm actually, actually, at age of eight years, my parents, you know, it's had to be

the border of the house, he would say that's the my foe, so there, there had an ententee between my parents and Gio a Monday, on the 3 September 2001, I had 8

10, my parents, my men my men, she was supposed to pass the year schooler, I had lived 24, 7 at them, I'd go to school at their school, and my parents, I read this document that today, they've made sign an endent to my parents

like to what, that my two parents would give the right to me frapping with the palette, and that my parents had l'pue there, and I get the signature of my two parents, 3 September 2001. I'm going to say,

it's a document that's not legal to do you know, I mean not the right to tap his own time, Chris, it's still more the right to give

the permission to someone. It's a chance nothing. It's a crimeal. It has been a criminal. He has been

for two of the number of victims that he has made at Victoria the same, even in the years that he had made

ultimately for the fact, he's made, we're not to, we're not, perhaps, but perhaps not,

preism, no, no, he's a criminal reconnue for too people for too those

those who are people, they're not, he's not, he said, there's a crime to be in prison to the other

but he, he's in prison for that. And I'm I'm in prison with Guilla, I'm in the same time,

it's, it's a baddle in the house, I mean, I don't know all the detail of what

it's been, I was, before we had to run in this year, you said, my mom,

I'd not, your dad, you'd not a job normal, regular year, I'm not going to be a bullenger.

Yeah. And, I mean, is Is that, it affected his life on the house? It was, you a man normal, if we can say,

like that, you know, you know, I'd imagine to pass your day to work with Papa, you know? Well,

it was someone who'd do, you know, but there were not really, not really, you know, in the world

in Guilla, there was, there were, there were, there were, there were, there were, there's

limited to some people of the church and the plus it's, so we're we're going to we're, we're,

we're not, we're not, we had to go to go to go with the children in the way, because it's the paean

who did it. It's so, it reser a little, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

let's, let's, let's, you, because we're, probably, I've lived a long time Beaubriand, and they've been, their carty,

their affairs, there, you know, the, you know, the people, all, you, and there's not person who's there, and you're going to come to the carty,

you're doing to do you do you're going to do you're going to do you know, you know, you know, it's the same principle.

It's the same. It's the isolation, so, so he's isolates for more to make the hand on the too, you know,

exactly. So, it's been isolated like that. So, no, my parents, at this moment that,

he was already been done on his own on his and he had, you had, you had not, he had not,

how, they challenged not more what he he had not, you know, you know, you know,

you have to just consultate these things that's in line with what you think, you know what you get in question

of the other it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a long that's, you have been over eight, you're going to

get a year, well, it's supposed to be a year, that's supposed to be for the

schooler, to September, 2001, to June, 2002. I had eight at the moment that,

and that it was supposed to me to be able to make, to be to be to do the school, and then after that, I'm going to return to my parents.

Finally, I'd have gone to say 13. It's been, since the first year. 13-an? I've lived 13-in, she Gio, from 8-a-21-a. John,

without a rate, you're not at your parents? 3.67 days a year. And your parents, you'd, you know, you'd, you've seen, you've, you... My mother,

her, she's made excommunied by Gio in 2002. The, the, The day after that she had cached my sister, she had been

to do your mother in 2002, so your mother had quit her before you. She had partied in

2002, but she, the last month of her last time of her difficult, Gyo is come to have

at the hospital to you say, oh, you know, to come to the motive?

Yeah, it's a woman rebelle, it's a woman, she's a smithed not

to be the pastor, and you need a man, my mare, my mom and me,

my mom, and me, I, You said, your little bit side rebel, you've got taken to your mother.

And my mother, in plus, it was not, you know, it's not, what you think, a rebel, like a rebel,

and then, and then they're , and so, if I'm just reposte, there's a thing, it's, you know,

you know, there's a , you know, there's a matter, because she's, it's a man in the head,

it's a man in the head, it's a man of this world, there's, all the parameters that we have in the majority

of the majority of the general, you go there there's the day and the night it's the so my my mother

to make out and your your dad accept that my dad my father he had

he has already he has he has already he said before Guille he said that he said

that you're not capable to us elevate he did he caringly abandoning his responsibility

he made five five on world and he p he's

it's I've made my deuce of my father, there's a part of me, there's a day that I

have to have revisited some of the that's, that for the instance, I've decided to put in the

placor, but there's a part of me-priv and so the dedin for who he and the

person, how you can't you can't be part today, I'm you know, you know, we know,

we know, how you can how you can abandoning your father? Pire, even, it's even,

that you see, that you see, that you see, that you be born, and you made before

and fey, here's what your kids are going to you know, it's not right.

I do that in course during the time of the time he said, no,

me, the other Gyo that I know, and what he says, I'm not the guy

that I don't know, but I don't know that it happened. It's your chair of

your chair. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so

it's a rageant and in all the time, affligant, because it's your father,

parents, all everyone want to have their parents, everyone will have to have a relationship. I'm not

I'm not and I'm never. And I'm in a context religiously slash Catholic and they're

they're married so they're married, so you have to divorce but it seems to the divorce in the religion

it's not it's really they're they're separated during a boot. My father vivier,

but my pair passed at certain agar, sometimes my part were than I'm

than you're in the guard of my mother. So, he passed his time to the bichet, and to the demonizedry. My

sister, he has not vied at Chiau, but she has been in a family where the father passed on the time to get to demonize the matter, and vice versa, I don't know,

and it's just whatever. So, they are officially divorced, I think, in 2013, 2014. Okay, and then. And, there,

they're really, because my dad, they'd parted, sometimes, he'd but there were always a reason to them to. So he rested

Like, but she'd But she'd be accepted In the church That's it. So, when you pass, Is your friends Parted with you?

Yeah, I'm going to No, I'm at the first That's in 2001 At the Gio Because, yeah, it's I was the faultor of trouble. If we're all over,

the fault of trouble, then all, the problem will continue. So, now, it's the fault in my mare. Here, Gio would say, my mother's called Sylvie, that's all the problems

in the house. So he lets commune. The murder had continued. In 2004, my more young friend, so the 4th of the family is arrived at Chieu. He had 5 years.

He had lived 10 years at 10 years. He was, he was in 2004, at Gio. In 2000, and at this moment there, my two other

friends, the other friend, the other friend, the third-in, they're going to live at a family of the church, so Kiyu

had a grand control they've been in a year, and in 2006, they're

going to have been to be in time plain. My brother, he is from there

in 2007, the other is still there today. I'm I'm going in October 2014,

my little my little year, my year, my first, my

I'm sorry, I'm sorry to pose this question that, because there, I'm in my

Maybe I've got a man of age me who that's arranged for that they're going to live in

their own there? Is there there's there's physical, we know, is that

is that the violence physical? I'm not to understand where I'm and I'm very glad

to answer to respond majorterment we, we, we, we, we've never lived, my friends, we

have never what we'd call it the harassment sexual if we're in a mass, in the sense that this guy, had had a fixation on the sexuality

of the guy when we had attained at the puberty. What he would say that we'd not have to have to have been he posed

questions, to know, if we had had been erotic at all the morning, the pollutions do you know what I'm talking,

we'd have a calpint. At each time that there had a pollution nocturn, we'd have a wet dream,

A wet dream, exactly, it's a wet dream, you've had to say, it's what your wet dream? I'm not, I'm sorry, I don't know, I'm the term pollution nocturus. It's like, no, no, nobarned, it's what, you know, it's for that. It's like, it's gotse the earlory,

a wet dream, so, it's something that the people are more comfortable. It's a ejaculation nocturn, that's, it's an affair crissment normal, especially if you've got access to anything, and you can't, that's that, the car

, you know, maybe reactie, well, it's all right, it's all right, But there, he felt like we had a little calpins. We'd have written, we'd say, we'd say, if we'd say, what the, the rave erotic that we had made? We'd have marked, in our bobbette,

it was what the diameter of sperm that had, the date. And then, he'd say, if it's because, there, you have been a little, you, you know, you actively, by other things, he'd say, if you were, to say, if you'd have been

to say, on my friends, so when I said, no, he's not had been the touchment, but it's, you're not fucky the soul, there. Tabbardack, there's, there's,

I've growny, I've gotten that in the sex was the devil and I'm all the world all the world

to masturbate but that it's a pachy capital. He's like the masturbation

you have not to masturbate so if that if you did it and you gawui because he had some

because he had some consequences, if you had done, he had been there's just I'm in there,

I'm in what you think I'm doing and I'm didn't, I'm not, I'm sorry, but you

you're because that's you're mad and that's another Because for you, you're kind of, I mean, you see, you live therein, so, for you, it's, it exists, like,

the diabre, and the end up, it exists, because you believe, you know, it's so, you're there, that's there, so, so, so you're not, it's, oh, no, it's you feel. You live in a, in a, prison, of culpabilization.

But, d'Anguas, of anxiety, to panic all the time, that, you're sure. And, then, there, you say, but, if I'll be, and at the time, you do, sometimes, you know,

even if I'm at least, I'm not able, and I'm not capable, and I'm not able, to understand I didn't know I'm not that's a normal

I'm not able to you know the prison in the prison in the prison of culpability

in the time you know there's there's not there's not there's not the fucking issue you're not

there's not to know to connect there there's a part of these kids who are in quite

40 years and plus you have not you're not you're not you're in prison so how

you canalalize your They're all pretty natural. It's what I'm saying, the view of the, you know, I'm saying to parenthesis, and I want to make garrochet by these religions, but what I'd say is, you know, just to be to find an impose,

to have more people who are going to be in the church. So now, you have to, you know, the young to be able to, you know, I say, Chris. But, he's so. He's, he's isolated, and he has isolated his world,

and I'm, it's a way to have the control. Because if you limit it He would control it For me, it's For me, it's For me, it's For me, it's You know, you

There'd be Accused for that Because that There's been There's even Pyr in Again, to To let's make

Write, Me, it It's always I mean, it When I'm It's always My Fours Sexual,

But I'm, I've written During a long time He conservedly There's been There's some I'd My acts sexual

solo. That, I'm askew, it's of the pornography juvenile. 100%. And the

Chourone long-tipos I'm not imagine what he could do with this I know I know

the right now that I'm not speculing on what it's extremely luscious and it's

excessively perverse because I 'm excuse who is who has that you have a servo

in the sense of the world who want to say it's perver it's

degalace and And then you've got to have a fixation a little bit later, it's that he talked to the sexuality of my parents. It's a rended that my father, he'd avowed. He'd like, like, because there was, like, my wife, my mother, is like an enemy of God, you know, but there, he had some relations with her,

but then, he avowed that to Guio, and then after that, Guillo me on parley, and it was, like, perhaps two years before I was part. And then I had petted a coche very dutchman, and I had said, I'd want to know, And then he's made on my car during the hour in saying,

no, I'm going to do you do you say that for you face it. I'm like, I'm like, I want to know I'm not going to

the sexuality of my parents, can you do you know sacre patience? You've just we're just us activue

and we're content of like that? No, you want to you know that I have the past

sexual but you know, you're talking to me tell you it's ridiculous no, no, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, the most buscculed at the So it's an environment Degalas.

It's, it's, it's, all they're asking on the condo. And I, I'm not saying, why, first of the first of the

first, why he was, who was also intrusive in the life sexual, if you control the sexuality of a person, you control their

first of the first, the sexuality, is the most insim, if you control the intimacy of the person, you can't, you

want, you know, you know, you can't you can't even prevene, entregill mid,

with the time, well, he had come to us to be able to because he's not able to he's able to

that it's able to when he finished in prison. He knew that's that's not correct, but I think he was not able to

get to start. And one he said, well, if there's there, if there's there's a young

who's out of a time, he said, he said they'll have to have the authority on the door, he, he

said that it was, but always to say, but that's the society, they're in the society humanist

who reject God and so the children, he's not they're not the same and the only

way, it's to try to be like they're in the way, but it's, it's,

it's, it's, all you're in this milieu, and I'm, but I'm born there,

I've grown there, and what, and what is, it's a malice, is that,

someone who gets a traumatist of the when he's adult, when his personality

is formed, when he has acquired, when he has done, it's, it does, it does,

it's, who is in trying to to be in front of, you destroy your personality when it's in formation, the damage are exponential.

And that's what I think in my own in my own but when I see some people like that, who do you do these people,

that do you do that, the aggression sexual or physical or other, I think that I'm more

inaud, to be able to see, you're doing, and you can have some to have the end of their

time of their year. Man, I'm, you know, I'm, you, You know, it's so, there are

a lot of people who are passed on the bench on which are at least, that's part of the infance all, you know, not all the world, but there's a far percentage of young

who have been just demolied in the infance, you know, and it's a repercussion as fuck, you and honestly, I, you, I don't know I don't know

I, but, you know, I've got an impression that I'm in front to me, it's a guy who's can sort pretty well, while all this

parkour, Probably much much more than a lot of young, you know, you know, there's a

young with who you have been in, who have been in these schools that or what you

have been who have been in prison, but I understand. I'm sorry. I'm not I'm saying,

I see the exception to the reason, because the result of normal, majoritarian

of young who live the things of the same, it's the majority that you have encountered

on your podcast, you detrued. You'd get... The infance, it's there that a person

to form. If you have destroyed, it's to have some of the consequences. Now, as I'm going to

talk about, you're not obligue to reproduce to reproduce to this track that, but it's not

the chame that's a way, to let's go and to get to and to get a

difficult, but I think all the whole it's not the one time I'll say but to

desynchronized a little of these of these this creations in what in what you've been

to have been to do that and at a other scale there can have there's been in a family hyper racist

and then and that they've got with this mentality and that at age of that I'm

in fact they're not there will have a reflex to say something that Chris but no

I'm it's so it's totally anched profound in me, you know, so it's a guy today who's still a guy who already

who's, you know, you know, you've said, you know, the Bible, you know, is there still certain credence religiouslyuse? Is it still on you? You're, you're a guy who is religious who pries these things that? And it's not negative,

you know, is it something that's something that's an anchor in you, that? It's interesting as question because I'd say, I'm not religious for two cents, but I'm a client, but I'm a creditor.

I mean, I call it, I believe, I'm in God. But I, I, I, I've made the difference between what the men do men find, and then, that's an aid superior. And then, after that, we can't call it as we'll call it as well. I'm called the creator, and because I've had, I've lived, there was clearly someone who had, and who had made

in what I did, and it was sure natural. So, I think, I think, it's a, it's hard as far. But, in a certain way, I'd say, I just the baby with the Oudibon. I believe in God. But the religion

you'll never never be there in there. But you've got to get to get to and what you did do

to do you to say? And like I said it's not a question of challenge and I don't even

to say at the time I said at the I said at the time I've used there people

who's turned over the religion after the years of prison and the consumption

and I have any problem with that You know, like I said, if, you know, it's good, if there's a lot, if there's a lot, if there's a lot, but, you know, I'm, I doubt that if your children when they're going to be a bit more aged and they're like,

hey, me, there's a creator and that, it's not, you're not, you're not, hey, frankly, no, no, you know, you're like, like, liberal to think to, I, I'll, I'll, I'll transmit, what I think, but I'm, like, to, come. That's a result of it to be able to put or not to be Exactly, and a parent

has not an affair imposed his credence on the infant. What do you like I'm to hear of this? You're an adult

you can do you can choose but let your your own, you can't in what you think you're good for us other

but to their impose, they're going to have the effect inverse. You have the right to learn that in

what you think? And I'm I'm, I'm just as like some like the music. Yeah,

I mean, the first music that you will listen that you it's often, it's what your parents listen, but you can't... You know, if my father,

me, he likes the rock in the 90, yes, I mean, I've seen the rock of the 90, but my man, I've discovered the rap of the 90, you know,

no, no, Chris, you're just, you know, but Chris, it's a, I mean, it's the same pattern than that's the same, no,

no, Chris, let's your own music, my, my father, my dad, zero, and a bar, but, but, you know,

it's one of my chum, you know, you understand, we have a, Not because we're... I consider that it's exactly the same.

You have the right to let's... If I like the sushi, my children, I'm not the sushi. Chris, I'm not the obliging to have to have them to discover that.

You like that. You know, that's... You know, that's... We don't have to be together, and I'm not to say, Chris, you're not because you're not

a sushi, well, you know, it's... It's... It's... It's... I know, I'm... I'm... I'm...

I'm... ...to be that... ...that... ...in all the... ...that... ...that... ...that... I mean, I'm going to Eleve my Infoile,

so on the time you're in a certain that you want to be in front, hey, if you're doing, you decide that you're doing, I'm going to do you do you know,

I'm doing it when you're saying, Chris, thank you, you know, when you're when you're saying, hey Chris,

are polite, your feet, it's the fun, you know, are very, you get to get to get to to get to

I'm going to I'm sorry to I'm sorry, but if you if you've seen if you're trying an equilibrium, I think,

there's, it's totally in life, I'm trying and it's a bit I'm a quite I'm a bit fair to have

to have done this level that that I'm in the life that who I'm who I'm trying the nuance. I detest

the extremes in a total. By example I'm someone to be very politic, I like to write to write

political and if the people have liked that because I'm not just to not be camped in a, you know,

to bring party, you it's that, you'll have to be someone of an extreme or the other,

the media are so so much camped I like, I like, I'm not that, we can't be able to or not with me? I like that,

I like that's partage these ideas different. It's, in, it's, in, when the society has been to start to start, and to accept,

to understand these things that are more comfortable, to the other side, it's the same, at force to re-shocky our

ideas, that we go tend to turn to a equilibrium, because I think the verity, the good sense is somewhere

around the the equilibrium. The extreme in the two bars, it's the matter. And it's what I So I'm trying to

Even in my analysis of what I've lived in my life of today I'm able to objectively objectively that

there's, the traits of character that I've developed at cause of what I've been that I've got that I'm not

another time it's not not totally not to say all this what I've done, I'm just

I've got to get in block and it's that's that it's so it's the first the first time

the first semester first month my me de-brained-washy at a moment I said, okay, that it's a lot. But there's all the matter.

No, it's not all the mard. There's not there's a good things that I can't give, you can have acquired

to the perseverance, tell, tell skills, it's good. But it's not to say that's that's correct. Well, you know,

I'm saying in the time, just, you have been being bad there's nothing there's not that's not

that you, it's got to be the opposite of that's not, I'm not the not to live that, and person merit to live that,

but, you, in saying, what I've been doing, you know, it's a negative. Yes, it's it made, but it's made that you know,

that's a problem, so, you know, that's so it's bad that I've passed by that, and perhaps, if you'd not be a guy

that would be more, but it's, but it's there's probably over, to say, ah, Chris, there's, maybe, I'm

perhaps, I'm maybe, you know, I'm saying, you know, I'm I'm, you know, I'm too, I'm also, you, I'm, you know,

we're going to laugh, we're in front, but sometimes, ha, p'n, p'n, kitts. There's a lot of, you know. So, probably

that's at all that's meant, that's why, you know, maybe the tone too far, too fast, maybe that's,

the fact that you've lived, even, even in being , we're all the parents perfect, and it's

a lot, I'm talking, I'm talking to, I'm talking too far, and I'm sorry to my friends,

and again again, I'm sure, I'm and again, you know, if you want, if you want,

your child to learn, you know, to learn to say, but you think the parent is the

first to be able to do you want to be there's anything that's, I don't, I regret not what I

've been what I'm it's a but I'm here today and I'll have not the impact

that I could have in the future without my view. It's, it's, it's over

a view, it's it's over a vision of the I'm so much, too,

much, much, much, much more, who have been more of people who are

because I have a vehicle of people who maybe to be a lot of it. And then it's,

I'm afraid, I'd like that, I'd like that be careful in life, you know, just say, I'm madly, I'm going,

I'm doing, I've done, all the reflections existent of the life, passed by proge of suicide at

a couple reprise, to me say, my life has no my life has been more to be the parents,

my family is eclat, my family is It's troubling, but it's it's been it's I've been

a way of and I'm never let's get a little but it's not easy. But it's like I'm

going to go to go to young man of 21 year. You know, it's a true because

you say, today, you've been the view of a man much more older, but I'm

the feeling that at 21 year, you have the baggage of a kit of 13,

you know, that's not what I mean, in the sense that you're not the You know, today, you have, like, an experience at the time that's a vehicle that you've been

more than, but at this time, it's the contrary, because you've been totally, because you're telling been isolated, and what's, what's, you know, I'm saying, I'm going to report before that. Is that you're going to work at manor to the adolescence, or is, is that certain ports of sort of, where you're a little more enlarged, more, like, in his house, 24-7?

It's, it has fluctuated these methods of torture, but just at 21-year-old. I know. I was out of the house. So, I mean, I, I didn't know how it's going to walk. The bus, a guiche-de-bank, I knew anything. I had not

the permit to conduct. I had even not even the right to pass at Rondeuse, at anything, is it? Is it you subduce corporell, end of the

18, 19, 20? Yeah. Because, you know, it was supposed to... It was more, but it's, because

you would have had been over at 21, I, I had never been great, but when I'm I'm out of Che Gueaux, if my memory is

good, I'd payze in the end of 10-d-lib. Because that's something other. We've

lived in my own, I've never not been for six repas consecutive. Sometimes I

have the time for time. You know, I don't know. It's the consequences. Just because

because, you know, it's the principle, I'll offer a little apart to, give some we can't

be to attend there to that's the by gradation, and with him, you'd never, you'd say, but okay,

but there's that's so that he'd want to be a lot of, no, it's never to do you,

he'd inventes, he'd by example, he made to suffer this guy that with my

man, I'm in my mother had that. And today, my men are normal that they're

on the example, one of the cause, one of the cause principal, is the stress. I live

in an environment turbobostressant. I'm not, I was, I've never going to go to see a medicine during these 13 years

I've got to go the dentist one of the time to live this stress that the fact he'd be treated not at a moment

a minute you fanned and all I remember that I remember that you had read out of I had the mind like that

you know the examines you know your examines you're seh you know your hair you statured your mind

you stov the men in the month to fend but it's that he said you're to put to you're trying to you're doing

me forcee you he's literally in the same in pen the two hands, I had these little

grotesque a crat at all the jointsure. I've seen because of my mind. The plus,

that's what you do you say, he'd say, I'm doing a commandment, I'd have no more to get to

the mind. You'd have to get to pick. And so often the day, you try to getter,

you know, you know, you do you do you getate? I'm, I'm going to get a little the two,

then you're not quite, you you're not not sure, you'd be the night, you'd you've got to

I'm on my mind. He'd say, ah, you're gratted, you'll have some of the consequences. Then I said,

but I'm not, you're not, it's impossible that you're not to be able to that's a period of time.

It's just it's a triple, it's a part a triple, it's a counter, he's, he's,

it's just to get to be the end of control on the human, that's so, it's so, it's so,

so, I want to have the contract, I want to know, he will live his sexuality at the time, you know, it's like, you, it's over a malcine. It's like if the guy's a boyer like an echeque, and he had, but I studied, I studied a little, the psychology, and to understand the bonoom,

and this guy, he's pathologic on the time, there's a quantity of design of sick he has to have, it ought to be able to be able to. It's a pervert narcissic, in a high level. It's a fool, yeah. He's probably sociopath, you know, you know, so, there were so, there was so, the minds,

and then the type of of consequences because I'm getting gratted, we're talking, we're not, we're not, we're not in a

man, you know, I'm going to, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm going to, but I'm

on desanoes on the other on board of pinot. There, you know, one of the trets,

when you're in an orphaned, in an environment, to mard, is that he did the incontinence nocturn.

Well, I'd say. Well, he said, he me said, He rationed my water. So,

so I had, I had, I had, I had to all the time I'm in, but I'm going to be

on the panos to be able to puttoes, I'm in a night, a night, I'm doing, I'm

pissed a ver, limel, it's, it's, it's, it's, to have,

I'm having to have what, I'm, having, I know, I'm fine, I know, but particularly

to have soff, he's really, he's totally not lost, and I, and I've made, the incontinence

nocturned, until 19, 20 years. And a week, I think the night of the last time,

I'm going to get to get to get to get me to. It's, it's to be able to bring,

he'd say, he'd say, he said, I'm at course, he, he's not to hear, the worst,

the panette, hey, it's the business, it's, it's, you know, you know,

I'm, you know, I'm not, you know, I'd be stressed, the, plus I'm gratted, plus he made

shies, there, it's the a cut of palette. At a moment, after a year, because my my mother

is out of a resume to make a minute, after one my mother, he's excommunied. Now,

my father was like, no, Josh, he'll come not. And my mother,

she said, my mother, it's that, my mom, my mother, because she, she,

she, like, she, she, had, had, regretted, but, but, my

man, he had just signed, and, and, for say, a other year,

and, it's for 13 years. I've made a little parenthesis. My pre-none, my name is Josue. Today, I'm called Josh, because I've made change, even, my pre-name, my for Josh. Why?

Because this guy, uh, my name, he's so mocker to me, he had, too reformed my name, he called, Josuette, Josephine, Joezine. Some, he'd me don't know a other name completely. He had so much ridiculized that I'd

I was just out of Che Gueu someone called my name by my name by my name my name

so I'm not able to be able to be with my name. And I'm going to my name but I'm no no no I'm

but it's an vidange exactly for for to destroy an an orphan like that

but I'm he said there's there's there's there too there's

there's ridiculize me abacced me abacced me humiliate, all the time to me say, he has passed

the years to be the he said, if you're going to find in the room in a moment in a bout

he said that if I was chate I was too a chettive and it not bad that I'm

too, he made mirroatted the future as being that I'm the pure mayor of

the world. The tortures that me had to live, there had there had there were, there had

made to take the 10 of million of compositions. they were composed on X-suget during these years and they're in a minute

they're fun it's a few of course I'm not 200 in the same time because it's just a minute on the night at 10 o'clock at 10 o'clock,

no stop. It'd have to be in the same time he'd probably me'd say you'll bouchone your and you say it's in my

guise, because you guys you go and you see, you know, it's written and after that's it's all right to work for and I'm not

finished, I've already passed twenty-eight years to booted in a point of the morning to morning of the night of the night

of the night The most long day, I've made 18 hours of boot in line. I was in 2009,

I don't know, I'm 16 but I'm in 16 but I'm in a quarter at 21 I had an hour

of a guy of 13 year. I was I'm black, it's all it's all

all detrued all detrued I think it's it's not it's probably but it pasted just

three hours to boot there and you have not you turn the head because if if you're

not you're you're you're the door I mean, I've developed a dog muscled because of that

he made so much in the back in the body, and a minute, I'm sorry to get in a moment, I'm sorry,

it's a matter, it's the story of the law, well, for the years, I've been to the same, I've got to

the same, there's a guy, to get, for a door to open, that's not that I'm not

that I'm that I'm not, that's also for the stories of masturbation, we're, we're chronometered in the duch,

it's, it's just I'm ever to be a moment to buy toilet during the time when we had

to the local of the church or what he looed to do it to do you know that's the one of course

that people to see people public salle. I floched and I'd be able to the water of the

toilet because it's the only way that's the rebellion and he said that it's not not it's not

not really that's I've got I've got to be... When you're to be in the other

toilet, tabarned that's not that's not no, you know, before you before

to tabe at this level that I'm I had just, I had been at a moment of a day, in a toilet, like, she said. She said, he had parted for two minutes, I'd need to go to sell. And he had a little, and I'd be in the toilet at this moment

that. Tammar, I'd have soaf. And then, after that, he's going to say, that all that we say, it's the invention, and that he's never anything made of that, and that we're just disarraged, and, nah, nan. Look, I'm making to-sov, for during the time, a bureau to anything to do.

nothing but in doubt. And that, it's not about to see what I've seen my friend, my more young friend, I've seen, and I've seen,

and it's all the other affair. The first year, it's been with the palette. The first time he was done a trantene of a coup. That's in 2001,

2002, so I had 8, 9, 10th of course, with that crissed a gross palette on the queue, I had the misery after the end of

the skiskely, after I had the fests, all the colors. After one, he had a regular that, like, if the two parents

they were not agree with the correction physical, they'd don't know the correction physical,

so it's not more careful than a other, he's commas to use to use the point.

So, a point in the hand, a cut of a guy, I'm not,

I've got to be able to many times, it's not a centen of times. And I think that's

what I think it to be to be to my friend, like my friend,

like my little and that, he had, he said, he'd he'd not,

I've seen, my friend, I, I've seen these photos of Auschwitz, and no joke, without exaggeration, there were, there were...

He was like to be in chis, there were at all the clavicle, you'd see all the clavicle, so he was affably, megrichon. And in this state, that Claude, he had one,

to be able to see, it was a lot of, it was to make, make a hundred, and he'd have done, and then you've got, there's a young, in this state,

that, my friend that had, five, nine years, he'd have done, he'd have done, and he'd have, there's been,

there's no energy, he has suaff, and he has not eaten a bout and then you see in his

face, he's disoriented completely he comes, he's and he's and he's like,

he's like, my brother so far back to make, but I'm if I was, if I'm to have to

get to be that. So, that's something that's something that's something that's a man,

to have to live that to my friend and my other frere, but I'm can't

nothing for, but I'm , it's a, it's a element of actioner

at 21 21-year- it's finished, I'm going to the fact that my frere had

put the my friend two, two, three more than two, three months that's the more young.

There were, there was 14, 15 years, more young. And, and again, there's probably there's like,

there's probably, there, there was, there was nine cameras of surveillance, the doors were at

two, the front, the front , He had... He did what? He vied the don't of the church,

what? Yeah. Well, and also, in his family, he had there's a lot, and he made

all the same so he'd pay not really to the end up, and it's all all right and it's all right and he

lived a bank, even on today, he was in prison, but he continued to receive a little salary of his and he lived

not in a plow of a poll, but, yeah, that's a other, it's another, it's another subject.

So, your friend, your friend so push? My father had reached to push it. He's pushed how?

He's at this age that. He had pre- he said after he had preview his coup before the time, he had

started by the window of the house that the bus passed at a hour. And at a moment of he

had preview his court, he got to he's not there's not to be there to be able to

get to to make the one of the friends to make sure to get the all the t'clock.

That's all right, so. My friend he prevue he'd be provided his he didn't tell the

person. So he had prepared his course, he was to get a moment

of a moment to make to make the curvee of the springt and he he was

in the way he separated the two course. He had reached to

get into a long story short, he's he's remembered where he had been

there at my my mother. My father came in the car but he

was in processus he demanager so my my mire

he acue, evident. Now, the DPJ is entered in the dossier because it is also

the other thing that's really pathetic, they've had used several signalments

of my mother and it's never abutty. The DPG they're already

at the time in 2004. And they have formed a saying that the

security of the people, they're not compromise. And it's

also, by their defense, that we were so, we're too by Guilla by

what did, what to say, So they were manted, gross, like the brow. But in the same time, I mean, that's one of the numerous actors who have failed to protect the children.

I mean, all of course, if your mother did a signalment, my son abit there. My son is there, 24 years of 24, for years, it's like, like, if he is apt to have to be my wife, me, see, to go, go to get, you know, I'll say,

it's going to call the police, my son's, my son, And in plus, it's that, it's that's the first Yeah, she'll have done a lot of But after that She'll have to say

to my father I'm gonna say to give you I'm gonna say a bit of paper that's fucking you your butt of paper it's my

my wife, I'm my wife and I'm gonna pay me to and I'm gonna say the contract you're gonna be no, Chris and my

office I'm gonna get in another office, you know It's gonna be shied, you know, yeah, no, but the ADPG

they've done they've been they've been by the CDPDG by the CDG, to have made some of the error.

And there's something that I think that a day I think I can be instrumental there in the world of sex, it's a

moment that the intervener of EPG probably are soldered to the and they're going to be more formed.

But he in this time that he's not formed not in a totally like in a lot to know

a sect and recognize that it's not because the child is that's not that's a man can

be able the brain, and contrary to what to say, what we're not to say. So, that, they they've got to... I've got in case, like, I've got, in particular that I think, and, you know, the girl has said, like, hey, prove me

that's in a cage, and I'm going to because, no, no, you're both, you go bad, all right, all right, but finally, the person has finished by cracker, to prove me that, he can't make me make a lot,

and, you know, and you, you're drained, and, you know, and what's, what's what you've been disgusting, I call, what she has vicar.

But the person estia arrested, no, no, no. It's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, when you know, when your borough, a reprise of power and to control on you,

you know, often we know, it's, you know, they're, they're in, it's,

because it's a control, it's a power. It's so. The power of the person is

so much that you even you live in restant there, it's that the moment that you

know, how they'll have and they'll have to be able to get the control. And the fact who, just,

who they want to know what you know what's what are the point and what are your point and what you're going to be

an person of the same he will use it to use it for the more to manipulate, more to control. That's what

he said with us. All the information they had, he said to be able, we've always

had always a game, I imagine a certain point to you're to stop when my friend

is part, he's part, So at the month of May, your friend, he fly. We're going to arrive at the month, you're at 21. That's right. But at this moment, I've always wanted me on to go to my while, until until 18 years, I'm a minor. And my dad, you know, my father, it's several times.

I said, to my father, I said, no, you rest here. He wouldn't even not even put me to go to an apartment, my, to take home, no. You're like, you rest, Mr. Guilla, it's all, it's all. So, but when I've seen my friend to start he was inspired he made a courage

he said if he's capable he's he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like more than more more than you

more than you yeah he had already had done a point of boot nonstop it's there's

there's there's so we don't have we've we've seen the things we've he has reached

his course because sometimes you say well I'm I'm off but where's where's that you go

you know I know the society. Because you don't know, your friend is where? You know, you know, in the time of? Well, I had sued via my father who'd be rendered my mother.

But the problem is, he's in trying to demanager. And then I didn't know my mom where's where she'll have a window to puttutise

retressy, and, you know, you're afraid, I'd be able to have 20-year, but I'm sorry, that's what, he said,

if you're saying, if you start, to go to judge, you go and you go, he said, like, the altar, will you're

going to be to be sure, I'm coming on the troteroor, and walking, and I was trying to see if there if there were,

if there were, if there were not a truck that was in front, I was in the airer. I was sure, I was sure,

I was thinking, but I was that I'm getting to suffer, physically, to suffer the prison in the because he had

relashed. The Anfer was almost more than that. I was convinced, I'd say, I'd go in

an affair. It's like, I'd go in an affair, but the time that I'd have in life, at the time, at least you'll be

able to be able to suffer. I'm sorry. I was able to, I was I'm able to be able. And the first is that he had slacked these regs, and when Jonathan is

partied, he, he's parted, he, he's been, and then he has started to capote because there had also a plente of the depigant

in 2013 by a part of my brother, and the DPJ, they had to be afraid, and he said, there's to what

he closh there in there, he is a car minor at this moment that. You, at 21 years, when you're there's not a second-air? Did you have a diploma?

No, I've reached to me to search an equivalent of a second- But after, you think, but it's that. When you quit from there, you're not wrong, you're a child, even if you're 21, because you know, you know, like you said,

a lot of, a guiche automatic, an issue, and so, you. Just me promenay, be able, to march, to out, to, to bring the decisions, to manage some of the fruit

even on today I've I'm talking I'm talking about again again again once sometimes it's some of the

repos more intelligent than other but I've done to do these fruits of the raisin I've

not not not much not much I appreciate that to have to eat I'm trying I'm

I'm too I'm too much you have all the time you have all in the minute

four hours per night during the years that I was he was there, because he he'd be able to, and he'd

be able to, and he'd have to drill, he'd have all fatigued. And then, when you're to analyze the techniques of torture, of a fool, you've been to do, of the nouriture, of the sleep,

you'll guard, let's laugh. How'd you'd go? Too much later, he'd be able to go ahead in the course, because, like I said,

the house was barred at a double-tour-tour, camera of surveillance, the quacket, I could not sort like I'd be able to, And then I said, it's my sole chance.

And I show the sack of the bag of the bag, I go to get to do you can't do that I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, and I'm remember, I said, it's your

chance, it's a second or never. I'm, I'm gonna getrocheed down the of the

cloture, I got into the other voisin, I went to, there, I got to comey a door,

I was like an extraterrestrial, I'm wearing like an extraterress, I'm wearing like, Not my amish, there.

No, no social, it's not quite in total. I said, I had to memorize the number of telephone of my mother, and I said, I feel that I'm talking about my mother. And then, he's like, is who, that? She's, like, who's, I'm posting, and I'm going to answer, and I'm going to go,

because, now, I'd have gone to, and then it would have come to three minutes, and they'd have gotten to me for chasse, like, like, my other frere. I, I, I didn't know that he'd parted with an auto bus on, my other frere, so, I had, like, I had, like, my plan, it was, my plan, he had,

Well, he's more well, he's been fissed with the other. Yeah, well, I'm going to invite a depender at a corner of the coin. I demand to, again a while, it's not respond not. He me rejoin the bonhomme, with his wife. And then, he's out,

and he said, what's what you've made? And then, I said, well, I said, I said, we're going to come in my mare. Then he said, we'll go, we're going to, and I said, no, I said, you're going to, we're going to, we go, we're going to be, we're going to be.

I'm embarked in his auto. But in my head, you were, There, he felt like I'd like to go ahead. I'll show to a bout because, finally, he has to have to convince during three hours, and I'm saying, just a man,

now you want to have to be masturbate, or other stuff, and, effectively, after three years, I'd masturbate, and I'd be able to, and I,

I mean, it's a cause of that that, that's, that's a cause of that, that, I said, no,

no, there's nothing, and, and, I'm, and, he's, like, I'm not really, he's, he's,

he's, he, after, because I arrive at my my mother, I see my mother, my mother,

my mother, it's the diabble, and then I arrive there, and my friend he's the television, it's

the diabble, so I'm so I'm back to me to see, now I've all over my pichie,

and it had durie because there, I had, I've seen that I've seen that have

other other stuff, and the element of the clancho that's had been the Monday

and again a story of masturbation. He was not able to destiky there's there was

a little who had reported that I would have that I'm invited his night and they're checking

in the panne of the in shawl check my my bobbett to see if there's there's there's never

I never said no, there's no there's he's like he was he saw me he was

he was he was he was he said he's so he said well guard I'm gonna

I'm gonna I'll talk to to my father, and then my father, he'd live his apartment, he'd

like, at least if he was at his own he controlled my father. Again, I'm going to

my wife, it's all over a week, I had the good to do it my dad, and I said, I'd go to

see, I'm going to go to my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, I said, I'm like,

I'm just going to go my fucking frere, sack me patience. My father, I'd say,

he's also he's also he's a lost cause, then, So, so, so, so,

the field in agueil, the week the next, I know a guy

who had been to and had been in a church, it was in a church, also,

at Chalabour, and then I was like, I'm at the Gleas, I, and I came up,

I'm in a complex, cravats, but, we're, we were, we were, we were,

we're, we're, we're, blame, we'd like the robot, we were anti-social,

so any people you're on, anybody who's a little normal, he's like, who do you're like, who do you

get at, like, so I'm a film of a horror almost, yeah, the people, and the

church, a church, and then after the reunion, the pastor of the church it's called

Sinon, he went to be, someone, he went to to be someone, he went

to me remember, I'm not, he'd not, he'd not, he'd be able, he'd be

a chair, he said, "'Sally, how it's how about, "'you're who's who are "'you're interested "'to us, he's interested "'to us, "'but at this moment "'that, me,

"'we're at my friend, "'we're not "'again, you know, "'I said a little "'in' whatever. "'He said, "'You can't even "'Meen me to watch,

"'on, we've got jarze "'Til, he said, "'The other young, "'the other guy, "'he had said "'that he had said "'at a million "'as, we'd say,

"'that I'd like, "'I'd go, I'm sorry, "'the one of the last "'he'd comeance to me He's one of the first things he did, he's at his bureau, he praned his Mac, he tap Info Sect, he vire his computer, he says what you had to be in 15 minutes,

and at this moment, I defended, Gio, I'm, but just, the poor... But it's so, huh, the control, the poor that I said, he said, Josh, what you'd decry, is it a sect, nothing other. And there, he'll have been a long processus.

You're still, the word sect, you know, that's not really what, you know, but if it's associated for us, But the sects, the problem are the sects will never be able to make up to remember of course. No, of course. But the sect,

I think there are these individuals that can have to have some people who are in fact there, there are there in the movement political who can't have been in the Us versus Them,

we, we have the virited, you know, we're all over the world, in part of time, it's not, and that's one of the characteristics that we see, and he comes to, you know, I said, you know,

my parents have been my parents had been in my family, you know, You know, it's a guy hyper spontaneous, hyper authentic. He'd say, he'd say,

your parents have been made to this bonoom that. And at this moment that, we've talked about the same year

to tell you, I've been, just the context in the case I've got to he'd be like, this is fucking wrong. And,

and I'm, I'm out of this round of this. And it's a guy that's related to the same

church, not the same branch, but it's a batis. Of what you did at the

At the beginning, you're not, you want to do you want to do. Yeah, it's a split between Battist and what you've been, you know. It's because

he can, he can have some similarities in what he and what he thought, but in his interpretation of the application.

That's so, the crueance of the same, but the application is totally different. There's still, there's still,

it's because you can have a, you can't have a friend pedophil, and you'll be at a quote

of a priest who will have done him for human for humanity. You know, it's,

And your Croyance not necessarily what you're doing not to dictate your acts necessarily

And so And so And so, And so, it's a, yes, it's a guy, a,

a guy, a, but it's a person and human, it's a good transition for you.

Yes. Well, because you're still, the cause, the case, they're

there's a person normal, you can't be, you know, it's a guy of course, it's a guy

I have the misery to not to believe in when I... I mean, I mean, I... I do say, honestly, that he's probably,

he's married and there's three children, they've probably to save the life. Because I, he's,

he's, he said, you know, because at the moment that, I, I thought to me,

I'd have been a job, 201, and I, I'd even for so I'd be trying to be a job, Diom,

he said, I'd say, at the first murder of the world. Finally, I've got to get to be able to a job

to work at and then you're going to be in my young of the school, he was going to get to go to go and he's

going to get in a little story and he's like, you want to come to come, and then it just a Wednesday

night, he said, I don't know if you're not, you know, we'll be here we're going to go and we're going to be

you're going to you're going to you're going to you're going to you're going to I think we've we've got to the butt

just at 3 hour of the morning he had, he, his family, and his guy, who had been, he'd

recounted, but then my friend, he'd say, all the way of, all the way, all of course, I don't know, their reaction

because they're like, it's what that? In the fact, they're on, they're not, they're, they're bouldversed. It's sure,

but what's that's a reaction normal when you're saying, yeah, and at several repries, he said,

the guys, the guy, because he had my frere and me, he did, the guy. O'clock. No sense.

He'd say, I'll not you'll put in the pressure, but you'll say that when you'll have to be pretty, if you'll do it, you'll apply to the boot, he'd say,

he'd say, you have to the police, and you've got to be there to be in front. It's criminal. And he had been to, my friend and he said, if you

want to come to home, they don't be a lot of money, but he'd say, we have a family and we have a car, if you can't

to come, if you can't to come, we, we'll come in, we'll come in, this, that's, this family like,

the sacrifices that have made, to bring two genes. I'm more brainwashed than my friend-washed at this moment that, completely, perused.

I've jose with him until at midnight the night, the night, the night, I don't know what he's going to I'm trying to

him, sometimes, I'd like, I'd like that to say, to say, I'd like, he'd be sure

to say, but he'd say, but he'd say, man, it's the worst place to go, but that I pass

that's the appellate to deborne washage to all, to putt my vion in question that's that the night of the anxiety I had the

misery. If you don't on this time there, there's been good chance that you're returned.

Yes, it would it would it would be probably to be the worst. But I've

got, he had one he won't accuey and the rest is the history at the month of November

the 26 November of 2020. It's not that I had finished a bit brainwash. At a moment I, I've got to realize, okay, what I've got to be

the marred, it's got to start to go to my life. I've got, this show that I was at my father, when I'm appellee,

when I was, when I said, I'm going to live with, and then he's to say, you've got to your job,

you've got to to go to turn to get to come to to get to my life, and I'm like, my life, and I'm my life, and

my life, my life, my life, to be, re-established a relationship that my parents have been

to stifondra to ever. And Simon, he had been to be the good words, be able to be able to

be able to be able to and to mackling a little, you know, I'm in a time, it had to,

it had been two years, I had been two years, I had been for me to make, to do that, and he said,

he said, he'd be, he'd be, he'd be, he'd say, it's not you're not, he'd say,

it's he'd, he'd, it's, he'd, he'd, he'd, he'd be able to affronts the error and the

you said you're saying you're saying it's a woman, two and then you're talking about

2012, you're talking to no, no, 2014. Okay, I'm sorry, excuse me,

I'm sorry, I'm like, you're like, you're like, he's he's reprimed in the

old, he could be, oh, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2014, okay, because that, it's like, the barned, you're like, that barned, it was,

For 10 years, perfect Okay, we're in 2014 That's just like that It'd end up With the guy, he's He had done with to see you're pressing But no

2014 Perfect, so 2014 With that the 26 November 2014 I finished by To understand Okay,

I'll recommence at zero And then my My father and me And I said, okay we're going to say, okay we're in police And then The 26 November

You had 10 o'clock The morning I said to my job I'd rather not If you'd you can't The telephone And as he said, he said, I'd

never be pressing. But he said, he said, he said, he said, he's like, he said, the guy, I know that you

have you have there's just. It's not easy like processus. He said, it's years. But he

said, I think you, it's the thing that the most honorable that you can't do you can't, you can't,

the morning, at 10 o'clock the morning, he has played the telephone, he called the number, there's a

policeair that's arrived. I think one, or it's maybe he had two, they're past the

journey with me, to me to fill my depotions. I didn't even not by where to start. There, he felt like I, I'd talk, so, I'd have talked to, so, I'd say, too, the thing, he'd say, also,

the affair, and the enquiry had to come back to the moment, they're, they're going to see by after, then, I, I know, I've been I've been director at

the school, at Victoria Avila, in the years. But I'd not, I'm, I'm, at what, at how point he had had made the damage?

And then... Are you the first were you, were you? Were you ever been the plaintiff criminal to put it? It was the first crime of criminal

that we'd puttie, but now it was made one of the victims, it was like futed in media that had been

an inquiry that it was it's all the fact, the fact Natalie Sima Yeah, it's a bit

she, she she, she, she had been one of the first, and it's to do you to dole

all, there's plenty of victims who have decided to come to start, it's a sure.

It's like we got we're getting 10th of victims at Victoria Ville, and I'm made to capote

because my friend and I have had a moment of a moment and I'm even in November 2014,

I said, if it's just for us we're just to get in this mard and we know, we

know, we'd know to say it's to know how it's all right, but we had said, but perhaps,

not it's perhaps for another, we'd be able to that's when I've seen when I've seen it like

we've done we've done we've done the good thing we've done and other victims have started long process

criminal that officially had officially started in 2018 the process criminal has had to

total 14 seven complete I'm I'm on ten years

in the box of the question interrogate counter interrogate it

it's it's it's a you're you're all you're you're

you're the you're the defense that he has said to to tell that you

have nothing a little a little a carver and in plus Guillaue in the years he had

put the video of me and he was tortured psychologically it had just out of the police

have found that the and the court has made to show that to make a

point it's a sadic and the the landmine I'm I'm

again the defense had said that it's because the video that

had been turned yesterday they were not in the bad odd chronological

we we would rejoined in the order chronological. So I was obliged to me tap it at two repris before the judge and you had

the infant in the rear with the big cheese in the face while when the video

was sitting there the judge I was there was a masturbation mental for him? It's, it's,

it's, it's a calver this process that. And then, you know, I said 14 seven years,

but between 2008 and 22 and 22, there, a three seven years. No, no,

we're we're It's commons in November. The system of justice, a Canadian, it's in what he is. It's not... It's long. It's long. It's long.

So, and then, finally, in April, 2012, he had been reconnoble to be culpable of about about all the sheads of accusations, on, allot-to-soombe, vote-de-firmie, cause and deletions, sequestration, and arcellingment. And the 1stember, he had been condoned at eight years of prison. Your parents, have you been accused,

there, negligence? You know, it would have been, we'll say, because it's the crisis of negligence, but it's what I said at least, there's a sacred gang that would have been in there, or at all the most

accused, who they've been not accused, that's it's a job, and I don't know, it's a job. But he's at brainwashers or all this. Yes, but what I said, is that the system of justice,

for the inquiries, it's a board of Pandor. When they're coming to open this, it's a job colossal, who have been the case,

they've done to analyze He said, he's He's running that he had been for the it would have been

it would be a minute we've said we're coming by Guilla by Guilla and we will be able

for the other after. And I'm I'm doing a point that yeah, I'm going to my

and they're in the process is too of the Mard Guio is in prison the

head of the serpent that's that I mean the price to pay to make these procedures

that is it's too cost to too much a man, I mean, I'm going to live. I'm going to be 302 years, and it's 32 years, and it's through 2014, that I've been

in these moded processes that, it's lured, and a moment I'm going to pass to other things, I have a life to live? It's the thing

to get to be to be on the time, on, forget the process, oblivue, all, you know, you're boughbattie, there, you know,

I'm not in a job, Burger King, you know, you come, you discover the life, Chris, you discover the, the,

the, the pleasure of the life, Chris, all what they are I let's the people

I'll make not the things on well I say what you're saying what's you're doing you've been

you've been mousley you've been you've been it's awkward or it's a quereing or it's a melanched

it's a it's a malleable the liberty I've got I've had no repair there's something there's something

to secure in the fit to see what for doing what It's true, because there are guys who have made these 20, 25

years of prison who me say exactly that's really, it's for that's in the place that, because it's

exactly what you've been very so it's it's been it's apeerant. If I look my

processus professional I'm in I'm in air of medical I've been from 2018

from the beginning of the process in fact and all the experts I've been by, I

know how many psychiatates and company, I can't could integrate the market of the work, a job 40-hour

a minute. I'm too of that's the way of what I'm in the sense that I'm

really a person who's really good, but it's a trace. I'll say the tolerance to stress

I'm able I'm able to be in here, I don't know my 200% but there a cost after

a cost at that level of energy I'm still your day after today after after that

morning you're going to We're trying to relax today. So, so, I've made, you know, I've made some of the casey. I'm, I'm going to, I'm still proud of having to be able to what I'm doing, because I've

started with a job at Burger King, after that, a job at McDow, after that, Cush Tore, A. W. I've been lucky to be a job in a little bureau of courthage, of insurance, voyage. I'm making, I said,

I'm saying, I had the Cervo, poor, but I had not the energy. I had not the capacity to gerry the stress, gregers, and the performance, so, so I don't know. Have you rapidly developed, excuse me, I'm just curious, have you managed to develop these skills of, as you search the word,

but an interaction with the people? Relational, thank you. Because, Chris, you know, because Christ, you know, it's something you develop from the time. You know, to learn of the other that you see, but crest what you've

had been in society, what you've been that's what you've been able to be able to that's always that's always really, that's

someone who's extremely unseigneable. For me, you're an imponge? I'm just an impone. And I,

when I was out of the I, I'm at least, I realized, okay, like, now,

there, it's me that, it's me that's not normal, I arrive in society, you need to to learn. Be,

, all to learn. So, that's when you're this attitude that you're going to be it's not

easy. Because it's not a little that you have a malleage all the time but it's I'm

permitted, I say the last years we've seen an enormous progression. My psychotheraper

that I see all every time I'm the first today, it's the year and the

year, but I justem the therapy at all the week, and I've been

five years, I have the medication, I'm doing to make a lot of my situation,

to become a better, me responsible to do you? It's not, you know, that's not access to

that? I'm going to start, it's an other thing that is an back in informatic

of an university in the university in New York, because for him, he,

the, he's the most important. I've made a course, I'm in two courses,

in two courses. So, there, I've had access internet, but I detested what I and the pressure to have the

90, 18, 18, 10, 100%, it's, all the performance, the control, the intrusion, the torture. So, even if at the end,

he had slacked the last few, it was, we had, my battery of energy is, it's, no,

but, you know, to be two pelted on a mountain, it's just two pelted, exactly.

Exactly. So, so, so, again a time when I said that you're not the part,

The program that I've made of education, I've obtained an equivalence of secondary because it was not there was, there was a

marred on level of the education, the rest, but the course in-tank-tel it's not, let's say, let's say,

like, the, like the, like, you know, I'm just at the... Yeah, so.

So, you know, I had a real education, so I'm becoming bilingual. So, you know, it's non-negligible. So, so I had certain... I said,

I'd just, I'd parted not necessarily zero in all in a total. It's just that when you're not

five, and that you can't say, you know, I'm mad that's after that what's the experience,

you know, you're not going to talk to talk to say no more. Even even today, the people

me ask, what you do you do what you do you do I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm trying to

I'm in the right now because I share a document or what I'm where I'm where I'm

that's what I'm that's what I'm not a job, how much how you how you're talking to Or is you've

lost your job? Because I imagine you'd never be able to be functional at 100%. That's right. But I never

been able to be functional in all the jobs. I did but I was in your head, I was in my head

and I was doing, but I had applied for a job for a government federal and I had. And I was

back in November 2017 that coincide I had the first semester that was the inquiry

the end of the end of the last time and the last I'd return to to the job I'm doing November, 2007

to June, 2018, July 2018, I've made the formation for the post and then to be there, the process had to be the first

first week and then I'm back, you know, I buched for me to me run I've tried. You've tried

to try to round. It's so. But for visibly my encounter that, no,

I have, I get these sequels, I, is the limit. So I'm so much of ambition in the life, but it's my core that me reliant. Before we're going to get,

there are two points on which I want to have. It's been in an hour 40, about. But I'm not, I'm not really, just because it's two points that I want to really touch.

How you've got to encounter your family? How it's a guy that's not the skills with the gender feminine, who, I imagine, Chris, when you're started out of life,

you've discovered point a, but, you know, you've had to have to the rachachach at a moat. Chris, I've got to to put a bit of humor

there's a little bit more than this. Well, you know, at a minute Christ, you develop, you encounter, Christ, you have fined, you know, we're not so it's not going to get in your details of your life sexual,

it's not so the but it's not you, you know, you've got to recounted how it, how it's developed, how... Well, the first time

that I found, in fact, I was I went to, in a church at this moment, because it's a new denomination, and I was still

comfortable, you, it was very liable and all of that, and I, and I'd I was going to meet her in the first time that we're going to go, we're going to have gone. I mean, you know, it's in 2007. It's not long time that I'd have not been there to be a long time that I'm going to be. And I've got all right now. And I've

all right, I've got to have been the best of the world on to her at the beginning. So, but at the same time, she's a farmerer in the life. And then, she also, she has lived the murder in her life. And, she also, she has lived in the in her life. And it would have viewed more than what

I had looked at this moment that. And, you know, we're going to be able to see, during this

period, that's, the beginning of the process, she, had all been with me, it's,

it's , it's excessively strong. There's a beam on on the point to come to and one

on the other that's on the point to when the two it gets solid in tabarnack that,

even if these two are when there's when there's someone on who you can

you can be able to have been extremely strong to have to see the the diamond

that had the potential there the diamond brut and she my epilue she

supported there, she was she lived with a guy apotheque like

me, it's not always so it's a important than Simon

yeah yeah and And it's clear. And even if I, you know, I mean, you know, I'd say I'd be able to meet up to meet a girl. But I'm saying all the time, I know. And I'd say that, and I'd say, and I'd say,

that if you want to live with me, there's no problem. I'll understand. Because I'm a, I'm a poir-in-law, that's what I've ever been, it's what I've ever been. But she has married, we've got to be married. It's a few years that we're married. and we have two boys

and the third time that's the next time. Thank you thank you thank you

thank you it's, it's, it's, God, it was good for me and I

had, I've got people on my chimes, his family Elise, their three

children, they're their three children, who, I'm, you know, I'm,

you're a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm an adult, so they're not

adopted officially but my more young friend, the DPJ, they have passed all, normally, they have a process much more rigorous,

they have really the quality of this family that, that they'll have also, they'll have also,

they'd give the status of my friend, for to be my friend, and then, I've been, the processus, it's quite,

there's something where I'm there's a processus family-d-ackeye, it's a great processus they're not botched

but other it's just there's there's a there's there's a mind of this young

that we're we'll make not a year than that then it has changed my life I mean

I said I've got of the support I've had of the patience the comprehension

they've they've reprie the view they're they're they're they're

they're so they're so they're even what I think it's a 23, 24 years,

you know, he's 8 more young than than I'm like my grandfair because he's he's like

he's been able to play at a val he made to play to I'm able to my skills but my

motoristie I'm not made of sport it's a it's all it's all so it's all to make

to make sure to do to do to work to make a 20 years I'm not sure

I'm that's all this family that even the more the more young and more

years these are all the two the two are married and they're these young exceptional.

It's the people who are granded in a family croyante but that Simon one of the

one of the first thing I have learned, and that and that think by you know, your own

your spirit and it's what he has developed with his children and it's these three

young who are the three young they're probably this family sincerely

I'm to have given the chance and the chance of being, and to be, and be able to batte in

the case, because you've traversed, you merit really that I'm that I'm to have my capo for that

because you have all to creus your own to, you know, you'd have been in

the exe to whatever to knowy, you know, I'm, you know, your knolling, it's blessure,

you know, did you, do you do they're incredibly, not? Are you there's a

cause that, you know, I had the good to do you have a life and me sullue

and all, but I never had had a problem of addiction, of anything. And it's rare in tabarnoche,

we're saying, no, you, you had to, you had all, you, you had two,

to, you're, we're, we're, that's that that's what is particular, what I

did, is that I had been that I have need to make face to my

demons. I've always affronted the life head-on. The

years of the 10 years when it didn't work not, I wanted to know,

I'm and I made my problems to do, I'm to find the

things difficult. And there a phrase that someone had said in the

first month that I said in the first time that, I said that I said that

made again again again, and I think that everybody would live after this

device that. Simon me, he said, Josh, he said, you've been a victim, but he said, today you're not a victim. You're responsible of your choice and dedications.

If you pass your life, to be victimized and to say, it's the fault of all the world, you can't get never. I have all the

reasons of the world, to be a clochor, to be an addict, to be to shoot to the heroine with all the because I

have been doing in the life that I can blow me. The religious, the association, Guilla, my parents, you have been

not protected, you've been able to et, in the past. Today, it's not the fault to give you

if I decide to make a good decision. It's my responsibility. And there's been a moment like that,

and I said, Simon, I'll not have on-lever the contribution of Elise, and the just that

it's just that it's just he was there's always he made, he said there's just at the moment.

You have had been to hear to make sure to make sure to make sure to me say, to me say,

to me say, to me say, to me say, to me, don't, ambition not these others, take your responsibility.

But this phrase, when he said that, when he said, when he said, you'd have to say that, you'd show in the and then, and I'm victimized.

It's normal, you do all the time at all the time at the time. But he said, he said, you're not a victim. There's not,

it's your decision. It's what you want to do that your life resemble, it's what your time of my years,

it's what I live, it's what I'm that I'm asking to my parents, and it's what all the place that I want to

have a micro, that's what I want to bring like good news. Your look, I'm going to see who's

my grandparent, my friend, my family, that's all the poor. My father, his grandparent has made

the same, look, my heir to my dad, he had been a man with my father,

my father had abandoned my my father, my father and abandoned and abandoned

and abandoned and his infant. It's very he reprodued the man. You can

you pet the chain. I've decided that I, and I cause that.

I mean, it's, it's it's a It's a It's not It's not It's not easy to decide to change the

Don't. Justly, not had not been the good example of figure paternalal Paternale

you've had the worst You can't have been with the other Guille but I'm made a

different and I'm don't know to appear like like I'm sermoned the people

and that you say, if you do you don't know what I'm don't know what I'm difficult

to do it's it's not a But I said just that's possible. It's not because you've been to have been in the

margues, that you're obliged to rest a mald. You can at a moment to choose to break the

cycle, then change your future, and transform the negative in positive. My mission, me,

something that's something that I'm trying, when I was suicide and there was there also, in a minute

I said, I've read a book on the development personal and and I'm like what my mission of

my mission of life. It's understand, why I'm here, why I sit, why I sit there, at what I'm trying, because if I regard my past,

and I just marry there on, I'm just married there, I'm sorry, I've got to suffer, I'm sorry, I'm trying to to stop.

Well, I think that's what I've a mission, it's to help the people, and to use my history for to bring the

positive, and to make to bring the cycle. I think it's the good place for the first to do,

the last point I've want to have you what's what what's what you're in this moment

you're talking about you're talking what's what's what what's what you do you

on the the trick of justice to depose a pursuit is that I've been in a

recor collective in 2018 and 2012 as presentant I'm I'm in

2022 presentment I'm I'm piloted me a pursuit in justice in course

super where I go to search reparation for what I've against

the organizations religious. When I talked to the Association of of the Gilles-Batties, there's also the fellowship in Canadian, that's these organizations Batiss, in which Claude Guilla has evolved, the people who knew what he said. The people who had ensigned, the

organizations who produced, who distributed the manual, who organized the conferences of violence, these people that who don't know to give you, who have done to the money, who are in the responsibility civil for what I've lived. And it's these people that that I actioned

presentment, that I'm for that for that I've been 22. It's a number process difficult, but it's it's a confidence that...

You do it's all by your own own? I have to get a lot of here, but we're saying the money,

the money to pay an abacac to have to pass. But I mean, I mean,

I mean, all the challenges that I've, all the limitations that I've reached to me,

I'm trying to have been to get over to recaltern, no? No, you go, you vote for

that's the way that's the way that's that's a way that's what I'm what I'm what I'm

after that after that I live I'm going to I'm a batten in the life and for me there's never

the defeat it's so that I gain or that's it's also simple that's

and the cheques we have we need we have been the cheques in the life

to become a better person if we don't have never an ever ever So, I see

even in my procedures sometimes there are a decision that I like, what I'm trying to do, okay, what's I'm not perfect but the same

the same principle that the responsibility is sacrosan for me, but the fact to always see how I'm doing better,

what's what I do this, I like this I like to learn a better person sometimes, sometimes the reproach has not a rapport,

but sometimes even that's not a reproach that would be a and that's a lesson to try to this. I think that be an unseigneable

and open of this is one of the most great quality that someone can't have been someone more. This phrase

that I said that I want to finish the podcast with that because I think it's an phrase incredible.

If I don't, at least I know, I'll learn, it's honestly, I think it's a phrase

that I'm going to get in my little board personal. You know, if this podcast that,

you know, has been a lot of things, I think that's a podcast that will me

have brought a thing, and it's that I think, when you know, I've dropped,

and I think I'm going to have to use, and I'm going to be that, to not have

to be to be, but it's like in a affair, I'm not a affair, but

often the entrepreneurs who are E.6, they're many of the cheques. But it's not

an issue in the way. It's an occasion of an opportunity of an opportunity. And I think when you

see the way that you know, it's there that you're going to advance. It's like that's the because we

often, we learn our errors, but it's the fact of if I gain not, you know,

it's a nuance that I like I like I'm really, I know, I'll read that some

but it's something that's something that's something that and the responsibility, I think that's something

that I think it's something that I think it's my perception, it's what it's worth, but I think in our society, this time si, we're in the glorification of the victimization. And that, it's all right, because it's not for minimise the suffering, not that, but at a moment of a day, we

can always blomber someone, but at a moment of a day, you have to be responsible also, because if you want to really that your life change, it's just that you assume in what you do, and you have to take the decisions. Because as that's the fault of someone else,

why you change why you change? Josh, bravo, and thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you, to be in,

thank you, to be the man to have passed to that and have been to partage this message that.

Sincerement, maybe as what you've been, the man, I'm sure for that, man.

The pair that I, I've got the impression that you are, and that you will be it, you merit my respect for that.

Thank you, to have me have given this occasion and I hope that it will be able to have an impact positive to the people.

It's my sole wish, not if one one of the same person transform the I'm going to make the episode

if it could have to be an switch and a person inspired someone, my job

is made exactly. I hope that you have appreciated and I've found, certainly, interesting, this conversation,

as I think I've found that interesting at the parlor. Thank you. Thank you.