Au Parloir - Épisode #124 - Roland Parisien

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Roland Parisien, dont le parcours dépasse la fiction. Un enfant livré à lui-même, un étudiant acharné devenu artisan pour Expo 67, happé ensuite par les excès et la quête spirituelle des années 70.Puis, un jour de 1979, tout dérape : une arrestation en Thaïlande… et sept années plongées dans l’enfer des prisons thaïlandaises. Contre toute logique, contre tout espoir, il deviendra le premier occidental à réussir l’impossible : s’évader. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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prison in Thailand, But it's been, I never I don't know where we would pass right. I'm in my head it's a guy who has made of the prison

in Thailand, traffic of heroin and who's evade. It's at a bit what I'm saying. And you know, I'm always not too,

I don't know and that I've found out of talking to Thailand maybe after one hour and a quarter. Traffic of H

international, traffic of heroin, it's, it's a few the view of that. We'd have

been able to a podcast of six hours, I think. He said that his book, I was about like, I remember, not 350,500 in a case, but he's written, like, 1,500 pages. He's a few times. I mean, he's called him

fast forward a couple of times, but wow, he has finished incarcerated in Thailand, it's evaded, has been reprieed, traffic of heroine at the mur, heroinomann, in

same time. He's revenued to Quebec in 87, but he has He is rested in the consumption just in 2000. With this life, this parkour,

to have an man who has all his head of 801 in front of me already that was really incredible,

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it's the episode number seven episode extremely Markan Alin we talked of his history

of prison in Thailand he's other thing he's he was he was framed by the

GRC so that so that's so that's so it's so we're also we're

we're I've talked of many of things. You've out of a book that you

have made to be in the affair Roland Parisian all the part of a parkour

Yeah this parkour that in which year, in which kind of of family

well that year for bugger if you don't no no

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm in 44 at the

end of the end of in the the coins malfamined. It's all the mix, the return of the war and St. Henry.

No, but we're an extreme poverty, there were a lot of people, but we're doing people, we're doing people, family of six

children, and it's a, it's a difficult, it's so, but there's there's, I've had,

there's been, there's been, my father, my father, had not been to be able to get to the war,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, and, then, And then I was very young. I started to be a little bit... I was the platoonant of the family. Okay. More young, more than the six?

I'm the second more year. Okay. There are two guys, two kids, two guys. Okay. But the more young, I told him the contrary to the time. He decided, he'll be talking to talk about it. Perfect. Now, I'm sure, I'm doing more than a coup.

At the age of eight years, I'm in a gang. We're on the trains of CPR. We bridge the cellar. We bridge the cellar, and we're going to start the strike. At eight years? At eight years. So, but it's that. After that, I went to go to the school.

I always like the school. I mean, I'm trying to learn, the nature, you know. And then, it's all right, all right, and my mother, my mother had made a serious, a serious depression, you know, serious, to go to St. John of God of and had

had been in the shock electric and had passed to have an lobotomy Wow I remember I had perhaps I had perhaps

ten years and my man had been in the day at us she had really and I

surprised my little friend André the most young of the family in trying to cloo

a cloo in the hand with a be bow my man had wanted to die

like Jesus crucified he did he did that he did that he'd he pleaded my wife

he pleaded my plant the through in the hand and I'm and I saw in the kitchen

and I saw it I've been seizes I'm it's not something that's

something so that a moment a minute in my mom my mom my mother

and my mother had abused my the sors, the curers, the priests. They were named a a good day of a mess of nine

hour, my mom and I made with her. The lid is plent. And then, she'll get anguly, the preaches. My gang of pedophil, my gang of years of children, and the, and that, I was there to be, I'd be there on the planchee.

She had the, had the mechance to get her, you. Yeah, it's a lot of, you. I was almost obliged to quit the because of the way to the

grubes, you know, your your father in all that's, you know, my father,

so, he's never he never lived the hands, he's never cried

after one of us other, he had could be cured he might be he because he

had, president of the league of the Sacred Coe, he had bedo,

Marguier, he was all in Lise Terepepeue. Perepeue. Yeah. And he's a super good pair,

you know, my mom and, she, she, she, my mom, she's called Yaland

Riel, descendant Dereque of Louis Riel. If I, I don't know to say what, Louis Riel? The name

did something, but... It's been in Manitoba. Okay. Louis Riel, the first Riel, he's called

Louis-Battiste Riel Li Diel Land. I've arrived to Canada. And then we see the line

genealogical. We have lab genealogical of the family. And then to my grandpair maternal,

Benedict, Riel. And then that's my mother. My mother had a character

incredible, a little little bit of a little family, you know, we're obliged to see St. Henry.

My mom was at the hospital. Now, my father, all, had lived his six children, he was

demunied, he'd he'd be able to have. So, that's the time, where the

people are people are there's a young and my father, he's a job, you know, there's a round

of the leg, with his chalet with his chalet, the face, it's a gris, it's, a gris,

there's, none of blanjery, it would not do those things, it was difficult, well,

Sorry, we're a little couple. I've got a little baby chien in the studio for the first time, I thought that would be able to beckon. A grave error. We're going to, so, you've got to quit St. Henry. It's right.

It's arrived at Montreal, North. There, I changed my habits. I've become a good guy. I've never had to never the school.

So, I've never, the school. So, I've continued my my studies. In fact, I've reached all the long. I was not studious, but I've lived it like that like.

Now, I've done my 11th year that's a day when I was putting my my 9th year, the principal has wanted to make out of the

school because I'm not so sage than that I'm not so sage than that and then my mother

had, she had been by the name and I've been in the principal he had to have a child He said,

Look, Doniz a chance. So, so, on the bulletin for the 10th year, it's written

at least for three months. And this year there, there's five a bulletin in the year.

But at that time, yeah. I'm in first class in three bulletin, two-eem

of class, and at the end, five, so when I made three three-frey class,

I've had but I've had been great a bit much, No, it's that.

You've passed an approbation. Exactly. And then, after that, I was going on 11th science

mathematics, and I said to in a 12th science mathematics. But, after that, after that,

I've underpriv my studies in architecture. Okay. A, a parko

that had started rough, and we'd be for what he

would be for what the end of the time of, I'm at, you know, I'd

put the tour, at 19 I'm going to I'm going to the tour of America, the States United, the party

of Mexico, the Florida, and when I came to have to have been in New York, I've seen a couple

of Bittnick, The Bittnick, the existationalists. That's it before the IP. Okay. And there

there were a couple that they've been invited to in the Greenwich Village. Bob DeLine, I'm

there, not long, but you're not known again. I've I was just made my first joint of pot in Socerra,

in New York. But, when I arrived in Montreal, there was nothing of that, there were... It was not

not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. When there, a pot, it's arrived,

after that, when the coque is there, and when you, and when you, it's so, so, so,

and... You've not a year? Yeah, it's so, but, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm a, I'm virge of a essence. Okay. In the September. Mandar where's we're going to

go to know, no, no, not there not, no, not, no, not there's

a guy, you know, I'm in a space, in my head, I'm doing, I'm,

the end of the same and I, and I did my architecture the day,

and it's, you know, but when you did you get, to gel at that time, we're,

we're, it's, it's, it's, it's a, okay, it's a that you

were, we're, we're we're the first, you know, like my chom arrived at California with the first time that I had been made of the LSD to Quebec,

I've been pretty of LSD, I remember this day, I'd be able to gochew, we had, we'd set out of the club, I'd have been, and I'd have to be in bed, and then, and then, and, you know, and I'd have done it before, you know,

at my night, like, I'm sorry, direct to mind, and then, and, yeah, I'd look at the mule, there, there were, there, photos of the playboy, the playboy, the of the few people,

and then I look at the girl, and I saw her and then you, you know, I'm trying when you, when you, you know, when you, it's

what you're saying, because we know, that, because we know, that's not, you know, I say that, I'm not,

it's what, it's a little , whatever. At the time, not a bad trip, no, no,

so, actually, he bouching, it, bouching, it, So I've been in the middle

During my Cours of Architecture I was in the middle he called that the Cartier Latin La Pallel Mont,

El Cartigo Text the car so I'm That's the same Yeah No no In any I'm a couple of

You know I'm in more But you It's all It's just It's like I call it These be

Beals Annie Whatever So So that And there There's There's

There's There During my studies, my little friend, Andri, the more

young, he is decided. What is to do you do? He's decided in an accident of motor,

he's an accident and he was made to a doctor by an infirmier in the

cheped of the hospital Fleury who has that and he had been

not his case because it was not obligatory at the at the at the

she she, she, and it's that, he has I was left to five years at the hospital

on the machine but he was dead so. So, you know, 19, 20, that's not, you know, you know,

you're at the age before? Yeah, well, I, did that age I think I had perhaps five, six

years than he. Okay, okay. And then, the, the studies are finished at before, now,

no, I'm, because I'm continue my studies, in the case, it's complicated a bit of

my affair, but, but my, my co-darchitecture, I'm by the Association of the Architechetech of

the province. Okay. I had the place. So, now I work with an architect approved by

the association of the architect because I would not me to get to find a architecture. In doing your

course? I did do you know, I did you know, I'm doing my examines to the association

of the architect, they'd call that by clericature. It's not current, but,

I'm the fashion I made, and I achieved that magnificent because I've

made six years of architecture in the bureau architect, so I've could make do a

project of A to Z, you know, I'd like that I'd and I'm always, you know, in the years,

in the years, where there's a lot of construction, we've done, to do project for the Expos

17, I arrived, I was, exactly, I'm working, the Pavilion Canadian, it's the pavion

of Quebec, in fact, in the case, and, and, it's but, but,

when my my little friend is the mother, it's been too. I was all the blonde

at the point. And I gave the good, my friends, and I'm and I partied,

a year. I was part a tour of the Quebec there, not the to go to

Quebec, but you arrived in And Newtale we're on the town of New York?

No, no, a minuven. Okay. And we had passed the tour of Europe.

with that. And then I was re-revened after that to come in back, I've taken a badpani

because she had been a question of biolment. I'm bringing to Rome. We were in Tunisia.

And then I put the boat, I'm coming to Rome, I went to to the hospital. And I

got a a ticket to Rome, Montreal, all, I'd return. I wanted

to come but she I'd I was going to Montreal. I was returning to Rome. At Rome. And then, that's it,

I've come to, I'm going to, I'm coming there, is that, is that I'm going to, I don't know, Krishna Mouti, a sage,

Hindu, that's a word that I've already heard, I know, there's a religion that's called the Krishna,

he's well, he's well, he's been known. But he'd I'd do some in the Swiss so on a grand town,

and then I had to rest there for in three weeks. It's a whole whole in the old story in the book

it's well it's been to yeah, it's a good brick, it's that it's that there's a

150 pages but I'm I've written at about 1,500 pages. Yeah, it's right

to cut because we're exactly we're talking to exactly, we're trying to

do the there are there's a there's a there's a but there's just want to some of the

time I'm trying to ask you know when you're when you're when you're when you're because you say it's

it's too you know, you know, you've just you've just to be to, you know, but I've got

to get to mortier. You, I've read that I'm murtie and then my head has changed. No,

but I think when you're partied in England at at the death of your because you

You said, I'm all I've got all done, I'm doing, I'm all right, and I'm talking about, but when you said, you're part of, because it's too, the death of your friend,

it was too, you were able to rest to Quebec, it'd be able to to get to completely, to change your mindset. I just, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

so, so, so, so, so, so, it's just, it's just, and, and while, you say, excuse me,

I, I'm, you said, but, you said, while you're in architecture, you know, you, you consume, the fin of semester, to,

recreation when you're parted at that you know, the Anglator has a certain reputation certainly in these

years of the no, no, it's not not, you were not in the consumption in Morocco when you were

when it was to go to a month in a monoc a little bit of the thing, but not that's

that you were not there that's not there, it was the trip to be to be

going to yeah yeah I'm and then I'm and I'm part

I'm I'm After, Sainanin, after, Krishna Mouti, I've demenaged, it's a day, I'm sitting there in the south of France, in a group of jane, that's a super, you know, it's like a common. And then, there's a little, we're talking to, we're talking about in a mo, whatever. But, my, my idea, it's not there, I go in England. Obscid, there.

At cause of Krishna? At cause of that. And the attireance, I had. She was so much far. And then, Anna, my blonde, she wanted to be, and she had a bit of her. So, I said,

I'm going to, so I'm going to go. So I'm going to get to go. In the Lerce. At Athens. She, she was not sure. She was going to

be rejoin. And then, and I'm going to gore back. She's not. So she'll have returned. And I'm going,

and I'm going to go to the north Tessalonic, in the north of the Greece, and I'd have traversed the Bosphar to arrive to Istanbul

In Istanbul there's a place that's called the pudding shop just in face the Mosque Blue the gross Mosque in Istanbul And then

I've encountered a couple of Quebec And then there, there, there, there, he had one of the two who'd knowed

Goa in India It's a, in In all In any way, It's what, Goa? You say, you're You're saying, You're just in a

But I'm curious I'm curious, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, It's like, it's, it's the

debut of the epis, you understand, the young epis, we lived all new at the beach. When I

came there, the first it's a plen noon, and there there had a great, group party.

Gypsy, a French, a French, a Vogue magazine, and you were a very be a beautiful of

cash, and it had a little in the whole, there was a beautiful, there was a

place, so I had to be an airb acid. And there, it was so it's

so much that I said to a other, a guy that was I said, I'm not

I can't say, I'm I'm I'm cross the man, you know,

and it was too intense, you the land the end up a little bit you know,

I'll have to last three, four of four months. But I have a question I'm going to because, you know,

I'm saying, you're at the school, you're an architect so you're not much, but you know, I'm going to

talk to Kreys, Istanbul, I go in France, Paris, Paris, Avion, rum,

all, it's, it's, it's, it's, when I'm when I'm when I'm in Europe,

when I'm when I'm in Europe, I've been Quebec, to be a architect, because he I was working.

And he said, he'd be able to come back. So I was going to get to work. I was there for a time more than to work

to do you know, to get a bit more so. So, so that's so. Like, so you're like, so you're doing,

so, but the, the salary were not, but I imagine that, we're doing some,

it's good salary, okay, and it, and it's, and it's, and you're, and you're, you're saying,

you're doing there, you're just, and the world it's partage, there, if there's, there's,

So it's really the mode hippie, it's a good, it's not too high. I've made a voyage. The way, it's not quite a time that, because we were there pretty poor on the road, especially, all the Orient, the Middle Orient, the extreme orleans, and then you're going to be in Asia, at the boot. So, so it's that, to do you know.

So, that's that, I've put the road, with my little sack, and at-by, in taxi, not in taxi, an auto bus, in train. I've traversed the busshaar to Istanbul in the in the

how it's called the train whatever I've been there's not sometimes at my age I'm afraid

but it's well I think not that I'm not that's express okay

it's a train well really really whatever I've been Istanbul to Istanbul

to be to Istanbul in Istanbul in Pets to you're Ankara after that's

you're arrive in Iran. And in Iran, it was a rough. Because, the chad of Iran is still there. The chad of Iran,

he's the guy of Iran, he was the way that controlled the Iran in this moment that. And then Tehran, the capital, the world

would have the people, they'd want to us to kill. With the in? Oh, the aim. And you're in a mood of peace,

peace, love, and all that I think I'm Canadian because if you had an drapot American, you're not a carque in the area,

that's not a lot so, I've done, I'm not nizu, I've been traversed

there ran as very much a bit to get a to get a at a route.

There, the frontier there, that's I'm not, I'm don't know if I'm

there to be there to be there to say. We have too time.

I'm It's sure I've got to I'm out of certain subjects but I think I'm like, well, yeah,

go ahead, continue. Now, it's a bizarre, you see, you know, the first,

there's, there's there's, there's, there were the policeiers, had the grue mousquet,

with, you know, to the front of the part of the baton, yeah, and the time,

almost almost, almost, yeah, but I'm about, the British it had been

not changed from the history, the the Britanniers who have They've tried these their

and they've not used after that the Russians have been not used, the Americans have not worked,

it's not working, I'm trying to you know, you know, it's my people, that's,

you know, whatever, the Afghans so, that's, I'm that I'm a man,

with an engineer that had one of the best bout boutiques in Kabul,

and he talked very well English, he's called Mustafa, Mustafa, and

He came of a be a beautiful family, a family a rich. We've become a child I'm doing

to get to get to the antiquities and he and he had his boutique so I

had got some stuff to get to get to get so I got to a bit

the table you know when I came to goa the first I'm I'm to come

in the coming and then I'm and then I got my

first my first kilo of hash. Ah, okay. I think it's a big step to not stop

to get to go out of, it's a long, long history, we'll enter not there no,

no, no, we're not we're going to but it's so long, but in the way, there's a

there's a there's a there's a book, so, if the people don't want to if the

one of there's a youngke, I'm in I'm in I'm in somebody, he's been

he's in he's, he'd be, he'd he'd me charge 20 for a kilo

of H that's a minute of he's in a he's in got to be able to plastic you felt a pair of

a quality really excellent 20 piaz there's that it's that it's been that I've done to ask me the pot I see to always

not me even I've decided to let's get to the I've read to what's my affair with a kilo of H

in Khabel and there there's I think, and there I decided to get to get some

so I fie the kakan in two I'm I'm filled two kakann with a

half kikki in every Kekan together and then I'd type that, and I

had to get the paper over. And then remate the paper and then I'm

put the paper by the paper by so I had two Kaken

Kaken of H that the cannes of poachish, let's turn. It's true, in the genre.

So, so that, that's been a thing traversed. When I was arrived at the frontier

of Iran, there was a man, and she had a woman, she controlled the frontier, she was a bitch, it was

recognized as being very severe. So, so, when we're at the frontier, there,

I'm not counted that we had put the, the, of Kabul, we we've put the crazy bus.

The magic bus, all painted, all the people, we're in a gang of the hippie, you know, and they'd bea that to hash. I know the

Andre, the father and the two fists, who had this bus, who boreed the planch of ash, and when he

arrived at Kabul, there, he'd rented in the garage, they were in house, and they were obliged to embarked,

so, so, we've got, we've done a camion, a Donn open

There's no to be in nothing. So, so, but I'm there's a

in the two can't. So, so I went to get out of your can't get to

your baggues and make that and all the all the baggages are to turn and then

I know, I know I'm not to get to get to get to know and then

there's there, wow, you're going to be to say I'm my can't

to go and then, and there, the guys foyer the baggage at the end. But it was like heterothlyte, how do you, he'd fiel. Yeah, he'd

dappete, he'd fuchs. No, no, but I've seen two guys of the camions who have been

to remorse the sack that had already been fooied to get in the carmion. I look,

I'm, then I'm I'm vance, I'll look at that, I'm gonna pass, I'm gonna let them putter

in the I've taken other sack I'm in the other sack, oh, yeah, I'm in the

mine, then I'm in the man, the other that's never been in the thing. But at

the end of the line, you know, you've done, you've finished by the vonged, you're doing,

I'm coming, I'm in Greece, traversed all the frontiers with, it's been complicated, you know,

to be in Greece, and there, I had a man, in Greece, at Athens, I had been a party,

because I had not the way to to me to me to Amsterdam, I had passed of the

money. So I'm a little party. Then I'm to have a little same thing,

I'm going to be able to get to be to get in in New York and then to get to get to

Montreal? I'll have to be able to I'm paying you, it's a but you're able to do,

wow, I'm able to do, wow, I'm able to get to get to work at when you're at the time

when you're when I'm there's a lot of money, and there's a good amount of I'm

with the intention And then Then, I'm doing My friend My friend would absolutely to be with me

and he had never been to be apart But now I'm talking to my friend Because he's Dated

The 28 January, 20, 25 Desoled to understand that Recently recently

He is My Condoleon So, Yeah, an accident in Mexico with Savan

So, we had to come in Quebec and then he is decided two weeks after the hospital In other In other case, it's my partner

So, so So, So, So, Yeah, We're in We're talking

Mustafa, right, Yeah, And then, we're going to get to get to get some

And the same. That's so. So, so, I've got to a Mongol. It's a Navigant,

Mongol, a very, you know, We're talking We're talking to, Yeah, Yeah, to say,

Yeah, yeah, there's a There's a boutique, there's a boutique, and then we're there's a boutique, and then we

and then we he's, he, you know, he's, yeah, yeah, Guy, your friend,

I imagine? Yeah, okay. Me, and Guy, so, uh, he,

he had said, he could put, perhaps, he'd be, he'd be, he'd be,

he'd be a Perch. Yeah, yeah, he liked Guy. He said, yeah, I said, yeah, yeah. He said, I'll be there to have to be in the other boutique, and he'll move on the shop, and he'll be there. Excellent quality. But I like to see, you know, we'll have to have to buy me to get 30 kilos.

Whoa, okay. 30 kilos. And for that, he had felt like to buy in almost that's all the little boutique at Kabul, the antiquities, and the object of art, and then it had to put that in,

and put it in some of the box in metal, for chipe it so. So, in, you know, you'd actually, it was not

for far to do traffic of antiquity, it was for a traffic to art? No, but a thing, another other,

you know, I had, there, there's, there, the, you know, but we had,

without the to know, we'd almost live, the boutiquiers so we we'd get to be

all the sort of of beas affairs, the tapy, there, these, these, those

objects, and then, and then, we're in all, but we did we've never

said, we've never said, we've had a bad in our stuff, and he's

miscreate, more about, we're not not, so, so, there,

a lot, my, my, We should have given a place on the bar of the chicken street that's called

a Kabul There's a park There's a building We're in a building We're in there And there's a There's a part

In front of us It's there That's That's puny The criminals Coupe a Coupe of M Or

Lapid, the FAMN The auditation, the foet, the volle, it's cut, the men, yeah, no, it's something. The grokete, that. But we're not, he gives us an apartment. So, in the apartment, Mughey, we, we're doing, we're trying to make that

in our affairs. You know what I'm trying? You could have to be. You do you feel? You do the criminality before the place where is he punis the criminals? Exactly.

But, but, so, that, we know, we know, we know, that we're already protected. We don't know because we're not,

we know, we know, it's who really, but he was over-placed. There's the braulom.

Yes. And he knew, all the members of the government, the royal at the time. So,

that we had a good, a bonn, part, so he gives this place that so we're

for probably two weeks of there to pack it to be to be

so, so we have made on the to the toilet in the and then the aluminum,

all our two of the for the heat to the show to the sun, to be able to do it to do you do it?

They're able to give the form that you would have to get to run in what it exactly. We've got to work,

but I'm still said, if you want to do you do you want to do you make it to be we're doing we're not

to be sure we're not we've got to be that and then we did okay you'll get there's a

doctor of the airport you will get to to have been to go to go to

and we're going to go we're going to see it we're going to go out of the fact we're going

to meet and then we have said we're we're going to get to get to that by

camion just to in the south to Pakistan at Karachi it's

it's a port of but we we're not we're not we're we're not we're not

especially the who it's anna. So we're not not going to put all right we're not it's a

part that's a repute for to have a lot of a bar of the it's a a key.

No, no, but it's just the way that's the it's like all the people

it's not no, it's not it's not I'm sure, I'm sorry, I'm just in the context

it's just for that. He's never rendered and I never read that

and I didn't know that, there was a company of aviation that's called Ariana Irvine,

and it's the sole who they have, so he gives a rendezvous with the director of the airport, we'll sit with,

he says, they'll have you'll have to bring your your affairs, and then we'll

apply the doan to me verify your affairs, and you'll leave your passports,

and then it's a car will be to be Now, but not, I'm trying, I've traversed

a lot of my life with what? With the canets? But with what, I'm, not an allure, it's like,

I'm like, I'm not, I'm not a lot of a bit of a bit of, but there a tryversed

the dwean with the ash, that's, you know, when you say, you know, you're the poker face,

there's, oh, not about, and there's never anero to par or whatever, so,

no, I'm my little the book, I read, and be very tranquil. Whatever. I don't do, and then he'd come over

at 11 o'clock and then we'll be back, you know, so, so, so, it's a mal dorm,

it's too, I can't say that. My friend, he had not to be paniqued, you know, when you know,

panicky, and they're their affairs, and they're your passport and there and there's your life,

and there's that, the thing, I'm fat, that's a guy logique, you know, capete.

So, so, he sat sit on and and I'm whatever, I said,

I'm, I'm quite a year old than I'm my friend and I'm saying,

there's not a question of bar, we're there, it's that,

it's so, so, so, so. But, but, on the

hour, we're at four hours, we're in all the car, he's, there's all person, at the airport,

and we we're not with, and we're and we, and, then, uh,

So, so. So, so, for the not long time we're sitting there, a lot of, he arrived a guy, a monsieur, a great,

who's gray, a police, a high grader, a grand, a sec. He went, he said, no,

he says to him he, he'd say, to him to the director of the airport, and then, he did the tour to the man,

Mourgad, and he repart, not a mo' so, director of the airport. Oh, well, it's correct. A vote for passport, that's finished this affair

that, it's going to part by the avion a day or the hour. I imagine that the brawlone of Mustafa have helped in all this

thing. Yes, but it's sure, it's sure, but we never talked to Christopher Mystic,

it's all too, I've been to get to the fast-word, it's apparent not, it's been

a 40th of minute that we're because it's too much it's like I'm going to because now I'm going to

I'm sorry I'm sorry there's a yeah it's it's been it's been it's been yeah

it's a future next time pay you is that is something you have you've done yeah

yeah yeah the government I've we're offered to

part of the first bureau of Ariana airline in America

there there never there had not in Canada a bureau of aviation, Ariana

airline, Afghan, in America. He, their bus, we're doing we're doing, those other

did that chimes, it's a rule-law, that. You're still, even if they know,

the government, they would do that, do you want to do that, industrialiallyallyally, industrialial. Okay,

they're others, they say, they say, they're doing, well, yeah, there, we're,

there, we're invited, we're there's encountered, we're not We were not getting It's a topier

It's a topier For us For us For us It's And in the Dany sheepment Anyway,

the moment The Russians were coming They were They're attacked the Afghanistan So, so our chargement

It was in the avion On the tarmac The airport And the other We're not We had We had

We're put We're It's It's always It's organic It's I saw The phone

Custom Clear Kabul It's about That's that It's that It's not there it was

there. And then I'd say an other call to my agent to doan at the airport

and say to come to you in Montreal. There he would be a car to be 305 pies and

then I shippe that in my gar in Montreal in New New York a boutique

an boutique of Oriental it's called the Buddha in the New

Montreal so that so whatever But the the Russian you said the

the van the last chippment it's yeah the they're just they're discovered. So they've

they've got to my friends. There are people who are going to get to be in prison and in the case it's not a lot you're not

in Afghanistan at this moment no, I'm going to Quebec it's never to come to you're at your boutique

here you're you're at a boutique you're taking the H that's the H that's all right all the other it's all right

so it's all right in gross finally you're an importator of H Afghanistan in Quebec yeah

yeah I 24 of, I had these cards of affairs, you know, the importation import, import,

but you know, when you're your own, your distribution, you're doing, you're doing, you're affiliated with a crime

organized, for that you want to be to say, because, you know, to be it to beck

all my life of criminality, I, have never wanted to me associate with who you're

you debarase how, the 30 kilos of H? I don't know, the chippment by me,

by this, but... But there's a lot, there's a minute, the people that I know, and they're actually, they're asking, and they're trying, so you're living,

like, on, let's turn, at a coup of kilo? Oh, yeah, a coup of, and then, after that, they're all,

and then, that's all, and we're, we're at, we're, we're, there, that's the last

, it's not, that's not, it's not, it's not, it's so, so, so, I,

I, I, you, I, you know, I've never had, you, of arrestation related to that? No,

it's so. So we're not not too about to talk about that. But, um, but,

no, at the level of the level of the financial, it's, it's,

it's, it would be, we had, we had plenty of a chance. But for a guy who's like

a epi, if that, there's a little, you know, we're doing a old,

the IP, it's a bit more cool, or, I'm, I'm, there, I'm,

there, I'm, there's, there's other abit at Pondio. So, I mean, in Montreal, my Jololet, you know, so, so,

I know that, Claudeau, we're, we're pretty all right, you know, but there, with the money, there was a guy in

the gang, that said, that's called, Alain, that's called, uh, his own is not important.

It's not important. It's, no, no, it's, it's, he had to

him of an investor, because there, we had, we had, we, the other Stade

of the alluettes for the winter. We'd have been Pink Floyd in Montreal

in Montreal in New 1775 at the Autostad of Montreal to make the 23

June there there John Bertrand our partner there had me Guy and Jean

Bertrand we're we're there we're so we're we're we're

Samberger the patron of the parton of the alouette It's the He's the proprietor

of Autostad We're going to see with an attach case with 20 times and piasked in an attach

case and he he moved that it's a hamburger yeah Yeah he said We wanted

I'd sign for the Autostade so so he He said No, no problem

and he's in tabarnat when he's Don't know that's in Don't know that's you're fiki

Yeah, the number did something It's the he had the program, it's the he had all the gross affair. And then, there was a question

only 2,000 for having to have to have a total for the other to organize the show Those other 25,000.

So, they said, fuck Donald, Donald, Kade, Don't know. But Pink Floyd those other,

they have not wanted to do have to do feel like that in the Kade of implicated. Because there there had a

There had a forum. Because it had a forum, because it had not it, so we're us

who's the show but it's in the key that's a part of the profit not much

so it's a good show, so it's a show that people get to a dope

and they're doing LSD listen to get a drug, has been a bit, had been produced

with the rent of the drug with that exactly exactly like like

David Gilmore in in the Lodge Guy Mopre had

Alu Lange but David Gilmore, he's allergic to the He's not concerned. He's not a concept. He's a member of Pink Floyd, do you imagine? It's the guitarist. Excuse me, it's...

It's the singer of Pink Floyd, the guitarist. I know that. I know that two names of the men of the Pink Floyd, and I know that I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's not my generation, I'm. I'm in an 81, so you're... It's not so he's not indulgent. But I'm not so, it's not... During the tract,

David Gilmour, he had descended on the stage, and then my friend Guy, he'd arrive with the mirror, and there were three lines. He had a line of Coke, a line of heroine, and a line of a mix, Coke, Heroine. So, like, Guy, that's, that, that, David Gilmore, he, you're sure, it's that, the Coke? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if it had never been able to find another,

they'd have never been able to find a second part. And at this At this time, I've been at a time, at this time, you know, you're still

you're still an consumer occasional? No, I'm I'm regular. Now, I'm a heroininaman,

cocaine man. Okay, so, okay, so you, so you're so, so you're

doing the money, but you're in the excess in consumption also. Dallon, Colombia,

in Peru, in Bolivie, you know, I know, I know, it's the years where, you know,

you know, Claude Dubois, he had been he was arrested, and he was he was a realignoman, he was at the time, he had been a prison, and all the time.

A bit of course of me. A bit of course of you. Well, but all the GRC had to start to hear, because I'd say,

yeah, I'd say, I'd send them to end up to the heroin, but I'm, this affair that, you'd

get to start there's on the front of there's in the thing, so there that's in the first, oh,

there, it's complicated. There, I'm returning, there in Thailand by me and I'm

I'd get to a kilo but that had you did you did you did you get to

it's a element of I'm a consumerer so you're consummater but Canadian

so that's not clean so and it's the first time you'd you fumed to the

heroin it's the gross coche that it's Tiger Brande

there's there's there there's been it's not a It's not a drug that I know a drug that I know

I'm It's not It's not I'm over there I'm over there I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

I know I'm gonna I'm gonna You're gonna To get to Get a Yeah I'm gonna

That's gonna finish It'll be Correct I'm gonna I'm gonna It's my job of My yeah

Yeah Yeah Because we We'll It'll It'll be Perfect Alright

I mean. Look, I arrive, I'm I'm going, I'll come, I'm and then I'm... Wait,

I'm... Wait, I'm... Yeah, I'm going to find out for a word, but, I'm going to you return, you

get a tonne, you're going to, you're going to get aft, you, you're trying, you're going to... I'm going to get to...

Yeah, in the thing, it's... No, the affair, is, you know, I'm trying to in the battery. I mean, I had a machine

shop, How many people were that machine shop? Yeah, machine shop For the metal So we had We had... Machinist there

In the phone We had We had these Faud 25 cents You know We'd have At least We're talking about

For 5,000 Pats per day But he With his machine shop He made A silencier for my gun I had 138

And then We had decided to have Weitte Weitte The batteries The three The three

D's the D DEC Oh, Oh, yeah We did, We'd the cap, we'd We'd

We'd Reimpsed that Reim. We'd put a little battery to cadmium For that's function

That's working It's like Okay So I'm I'm, I'm right But not for To make fast forward

Because there You know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm, a bit, That's just

This shop that is in Morale? Yeah, in the north at St. Javit. But,

I'm I'm at St. Yeah, but, you're you're you part

with your batteries in Thailand, you're in Thailand and you're in with that? Yeah, I'm in to Thailand

they're not they're not they're not they're not they're patented They're They're not They're in the

battery there And then I did need to get The little that I bet Oh, yeah, that I

know, that's I'm at about one ounce in each battery Perfect that I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm but it's not easy to make

it's not I'm on the post of the two, we're going to come up to the battery for a kilo. Because, then we said, after that, we're going to print the 205 cents, and we're in,

so you're in, you're in, you're in Gammie at least, there, there's not just a traffic, you're in, in false money, with all that, and the 205s,

the, the, the, the, the, look, not there, because we're,

to go, to go, to the machine, the machines, the machines, the machine, they're not, so,

we're, we're in boundry, we're at the restaurant, the repos. Okay. Because it

you have to pass the 25 cents. So it's like that's like that's so I'm but he,

my partner the guy he has triched, he made not a he had to get a

grueger in gold it's a piece of collection that's five thousand he's

he's and he had paid and they and had been to say he's at he's

at the St. Jacques at the numismat, the money's, the Jewish,

they had had done the one, and the guy, the Jewiff and he said, perfect, you know,

the price normal, it's 5,000. He, he's going to say to the old, he said,

you can how much, I can be there, the old is to go to the backstore,

he's called the GSC, he's made, But he's not too fit. But he was after my chum

he was able to have to have a bank parent of so and he made to have been with your partner and there For the bank or for the bank?

Okay. In any case And then, and then, I've got embarked for the bank I've not embarked the time.

He had all prepared there, there had a um a, um, a,

a, like that, a, you know, a, a pote, a, a,

a, there's not a, a, a, a, a, A martopiore No, no, you know,

so it'll have to pump for the levee, a jack, a jack, a jack, excuse me, a jack, a jack, a new jack,

a newtie, a little jack, yeah, and it's a tour, there, in the bank, in the coff,

the coff, okay, okay, the chamber forth, okay, I had said, I've had, in architecture,

I've made three quays popular, so, so I see exactly how it's made, a planchage of a case

popular, or the bank, So I said How he said, So he said, He's, he's the whole thing,

he says it's if the planch cashe not, it's the bank on complete that he's going to be,

that's over but that there's, there's an armature, three-quarters to all the six-pots

that's it's complicated, but he had a little camera that in the in the

he, he had you have to have you done? No, he's he set

to be and it can't he's he's He was vandal. Okay. Before we're having,

because, you know, he'd do you do my battery, we'd have done for my 38, so you were to be able to

to be in business for, I'm probably an armé, the fact of, I've never vallier person. No,

no, no, but, you know, he can have a jealousy, he'd be able to, it's, you're not by principle

that you're in the world interlop? No, no, I'm not, no, I'm not,

the personage, the personage, that, that's, it's, it's, Like normal, the one-intosh.

My chum's all down the barn. So I can't be able to get a silencers for their gun with also. Okay.

It's like so I'm not to serve as. Okay. No, no, I'm just curious. No.

No. I'm opposed your chum you've been because there you're remand battery-vide so that

you make these alleys so you start to do the importation of Thailand to Thailand to Quebec

with your set up of battery. Yeah, but it's it's not been, just after

a couple of shots. with the battery it's all all the time it's all I'm preparing a new shot

and they're like they're not they're playing he's not he's not he's not like he's over he's over

you know no problem if you you're gonna he'd want to be because he they've been

two once in Montreal okay the GRC come to two times they've never to get to

they've never nothing to but they've never been but it's a point or the police has some

orthodox in these years. Yeah, there's been a there who's there who are it's probably

that's probably to get up to get to to me see when I'm to puttie just to

at Kathmandu to Nepal from Nepal to New Delhi in India to New Delhi to New Delhi to Bangkok

and to Bangkok and to Bangkok at Changmai in the north. You've been all this time that? All you know. You know,

you know, he'd be doing their job? Well, you could, it's signate, it, but it's,

it's like, it's a lot of paranoia. D'clock. They're not we're not, they're not, they're good,

I did, not, it's, when they're reconnue, I've been , I've seen, that I've

recognized, that I'd see, you know, it'd be the two guys, and they'd be with a carvette

in a cabette, in So, he delad, in the front. So you'd do you do to have to be arrested? Yes. There's been there. In Thailand? Yes.

By the police Sandser or by the GRC? The captain of police, Thailand. Okay. Have you done, in Vancouver, with the GRC. It's a Thailandan. He has made these studies.

So, so, everything is arranged. You know? So, so on the entire. I went to the morning. I'm going to return the morning. I was going to be there by, and I'd say, I'd say, I'd go to the air blue. My name, in Bangkok.

Okay. He, he, he'd, he'd say, no, no, no, we can't do anything to do, not, no, because he'd be there to change the law. The law, that, it was rendered very difficult. All the world kept up at, everyone, everyone's freaky. I, you know, I see. I don't know, I'm new.

And they've They've been to change the law Yes, because there 20 grams and plus are okay Okay, and I'm

I'm gonna too at least Yeah, yeah, so it's so yeah, so he's so

so that, so that, yeah, no, no, so I'm, so I'm to be able to, that's,

for me, it's not a question I abe to the bar, you know, I mean, I'm gonna be in Canada, I'm gonna

I'm gonna go to Chimai but, but, you're, you're, you're in,

you're arrested? No. But you're, At Changmire, I was At Changmire, I was at all right, because, okay, when you're coming to have been, like,

okay, because the law has changed, and then, that's not, okay, okay, and not, and I, and I,

I said, let me go, to, you know, one of my chamboy, you know, my, you know, of my, my own,

but he, didn't, so, I arrived at Changmai, and then, whatever, he's not capable to rejoin,

and all, so, so, And then they were at the morning. I had applied the reception in the back in the day of saying

that I'm saying, of the hotel. Of the chengen? Because I'd not not to get up to get my chum, and you'd not a couple of kilos

to the rube at chengemite, you know, if you want, nizube, you're at the contact, right to in a lot of to be trying to,

it's not a point of course. The point of the that's, I had someone also, at, not, Chemite, A

A other A new A new A new The name No, but I'm gonna Yeah,

The most of The most The most of The most of The age that I'm I'mper in I'mper of Sacraman

I think The most The most I'm That's just I'm not Maybe I'm not

Not I'm Yeah, I'm Yeah, I'm Yeah, I'm gonna tell

I'm You're gonna be You're That's You're an other fundraiser that you've to have asked to go and

I imagine you're not going to I'm trying to I'm going to I'm going to the last time they're going to they're doing

they're they're they've been bosted I've it had it's over three, four hour

for trying the stock that I had already you had you've been you've reached to have because the

guy who he made that's he's he made my moustache it's a radio

and with all what I was in the radio, all the components. All the components are in, but I had, but... But the radio

that's the radio that's a matter to be able to? I mean, I had, like, five, six grams of coke. I had 12 grams

of opium, a dozen of hashish, and one gram and a million of heroin. It's cached in the patent,

you know, they were all, they've defaced the plon, tombriest, the air climatized. Now, I was there

a ban, to me, not that I'm going to be a technician in electronic and he's coming,

because the GAC, they said, check the things, there's aft, there's a ,

there's a guy, he's arrived with his machine, and checked my radio, and there

had been too long. It's not, but you didn't quite a lot,

no, but I, four years, because I'm charged for for each substance. I've got a sentence for each substance.

So, it's four years. But, now, the abac in Thailand? In Thailand. The avocat

that I had, I know, that's a little crush, you know, but a bullshit, and then, and then, I'm putting

four years, you know, but the affair is that I paid for all the other police, but I

They could not pay for the captain. Because the captain, he'd He'd worked for the GRC. Because if he's his His own, he had said to do it all over there. The other, they'd have to do with the whatever. The judge, he'd primed

his captain. It's the boss. The judge, he, he's caught the captain. So, so, I've premed my sentence, that, you know, and the avocat,

you know, he'd make a crore, in a fashion, all to find, in taille? In taille. In taille. There's not in time,

there's not where there's nothing. There's nothing. It's all. That's all. whatever. But when I was to arrive at

prison, I'm going to have been to be the abac and said if you beck not

the sentence there, I'd say to who's the person, then you're a pun in a student

and he had been to be that, he mack to have to go to that two

and eight months at four years. Okay. I'm to say, I'm

I'm in the P. R.C. It would have been pay, I'm saying,

but for those other to let's get to load and to be poigny in coming to Quebec, I'm saying. It's good. I'm sorry. Because, you know,

if you're on a tonne of 30thens to kill, you're going to get to Canada with 30 kilos of heroin? There was a

a dozen in the chamber at the room at the night where I'm where I'm where I'm in the end.

They're not they're not an arrestation against you. At because, I mean, I had Appled the reception that I said, I'd payed my account,

they'd say, they'd scoured, they're going to be too quick. Yeah, but in the same time, if you have left to enter to Canada and you're

to get a restation Canadian, GRC, they could be in the do and have to be 30 kilos. They wanted to they'd

because it's more rough, it's more they're not saying because I don't know I'm not at the intention that I've

never to come back to come back, because I think I I think to Alan Olivier, because the pen of death at Canada is there,

and he has there's a general Canadian who have been in court in Thailand for that he was condoned in war.

When at Canada the pen of war is abolished and they're to say, you know, you've wanted to have been to

say, yeah, you've got to purge a sentence of life or pen of death in Thailand. Allie,

he has gone to when I came out of when he's coming to nine years. But it's

can't even a This is a story. It's a story, it's a completely maladden. But you'll go if you'll have not have been

seen episode 7. Maybe even before this that would have a pain to listen to see if you

know, we're going to be more quick if you're not, no, but there five,

two and eight months, prison Thailand, it's a firm. Well, I'm not

me not, why, I'm not able to I'm able to be able to be able to say, it's,

it's, it's, inconsient total, you I'm, I decide that I'm the control

in prison. There was a Chinese, that, who had the control. And, uh,

I don't like to get to get to be and he, he'd a man, and he charge a cheye

and it's a patente. So, so, so long history, the top there's a

long, but, justomand, there, I've put the control. But, and he,

but he, for so he was denoncing, then, he was totally puce, the Chinese,

he controlled, the guards, he controlled the post of police, and controlled the system judicial, the abacos, and the judges? Far, eh?

But how, you know, we're not to go to go ahead, but I'm going to get it? Because, you know, I'm going today, 80, it's, it's, it's a lot of what? The shape, by these years, you? You'd be a gross costo?

I've never been more than that. Not more than that, but, I mean, you're all, you know, how do you feel, to put to take the contract? You're not afraid to try to you, you? I said, the life in Thailand to have to be

to have to talk about to have to talk about when I'm trying if you know if you know how you're

I'm trying I said who did what? And then I said the only way to

do it is to know who rent the stock that, which guardian

three star that that's another who did that and then I'd

see the person who had a samurai a samurai a samurai

is a a Thailand who has a lot of 10 years of prison to have to be

he's called to do it and he consume so he he don't the dog you know

he'll be in the end up in the end up inu there he

he's vanger nippon the Chinese he said to give to get to depot to my

cellul where I had to because you have the control but you touch

not to touch not to not No, I had already, I'd say it, I'd say it with a French, that he had a contact Chinese, we'd receive

4'11 by two weeks. Deroine. Deroine, of the door. Okay? And, then, I'd chatted of an amy Chinese in a day, her mother,

she controlled all the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the phyries. Okay. The drug, the prostitution. It was the mama, the gross She, she, she, she said my chum

So, she said to her She said to her, she'd have made, She, she'd have been, she'd have been, one ounce to two weeks, that I'd have to go to the bureau

of the prison. He, he'd reared at bar for not me to see, and I'd say, to say, I'd go ahead,

and I'd say, to do you, and I'd be 20,000 bat, that's about, 1,000, that's about, 1,000,

the bat, the, the monetary, In my head, she said, she'd say, bye, bye, good. She'll have parted. I was parted. I was parted. But, in plus, what's the general,

it's that I had 3.1. Of course. Of course. There was not a lot of people. He had not followed who he's satch. But, so, so, you do do you do with? Because, you have to do the money,

so you control, so you're a bit of an intouchable. Yeah, I, yeah. There, I don't know. My partner, like, he parted with me, and he, he's decided, he also, wherever. If you're not You're not going to say

You're not You're not You're not You're a consumer You're not For that I'm not I'm not

You can't be You're not An addict You're a heroin You're completely Completely I'm gonna Absolutely, I'm

Passing In injection Or You're in injection Okay So you're deep Yeah But you're

You're not You're not You can't You can't Even aigue That's You're set my chum,

But it's real because you go to you know, you're going to get to get the bureau of the director

who are in the air of the thing, you know, the affair is that, it's all hush, hush,

you know, the tides the dregons Chinese who control, those other buy the heroine the heroine

the heroine comes to us with the permission of the direction, the prison. So,

they're the heads of the dragon pay the director of the prison. Okay. For the way, to do that,

and they're the other, they're the other who are the other who are never paid. It's always been fronthe, one of the

one day, but I said, but I'm always had some, there were some of the fight, not of

not there are, we're mad like these chint, you know, we're mad, you know,

these, these, excuse me, fight, party, or fight, okay, I'm not sure,

if you were not sure, If you said, fight to be at some batte, some bad, excuse me, they're just to put a little there's just,

there's a lot, there's not, so there's not, there's not, and we're not, and we're probably a 15th who go,

in a mong, chiatry, and all, you know, cold turkey at got, really, really,

I've got, maybe, I'm saying, obligatory, like, not, not, not,

not because I want, because I'm just in amount because I'm because I'm not, because I'm not, in general,

it's like, so, So, so, and he's that. And, we're standing where? Well, we're in front of,

you know, you're there, you're in, there's a, two-year-old, eight months to do you, get to control,

traffic heroine? He, he, he, he, and he, there, the police, the exterior,

rent in the in the , they're in there, and then, and there, there, I knew that

there's not bad, man to do, there, I could not me defend of that, but,

And I was, I had, perhaps, 20 grams of cache in my place. My others are going exactly. The other had made me of 14 grams. At about, what's at the point? When you're at least in time, when you're at least of time? But I was talking about 35 years. 35 years. You have your family who's in Montreal, with your daughter?

My wife, at that. My wife, at a 3 years. When I was gone. So, I got it. I've seen the way, the last of the 11. I've rested a little bit A little bit more

So, so You're just There's just Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, But it's

It's already Yeah, my Pyeye, my wife, I had been So, you're In fact, You're in a Two-A,

eight months, it's been like You're there When you're like When you're in prison, You're on You're on

You're in Yeah, And when you You've been By the Cheney So, So, So,

How many You've been At least, At least, a year, Okay. Anything something of or something of

maybe not you've had done, and then, there's not had been there's been in court

and I've put in 10 years. Of plus? De plus? Ds and plus. So, the rest on

almost 12 on. It's so. And, and there, when I transferred to Chang Mai,

that's because I, before I'm evade, there. I'm sorry, I'm going to say,

before I'm evade, We've not not talked of evasions but it's correct. He's like

he's been there's been there to be out of, I mean not even not that's even not

I'm not dought because the title is the title is the affair of I'm not I'm going to listen

Cedric I'm wondering of how I'm born if I'm thought, I'm still thinking moderately

intelligent you know, not a cracky you know, but you're but how not be able

to buy or if you I'm amelette I saw I've got in 10 years and after that I've poned I'm trying to

go and that they're going to ask you to see but they're not going with so I've

had you have three years for this appell that so that you're three year to

when I when I have you got to you're getting almost at 14

I I saw I I saw you I And in a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of us. And I'm not sure I'd have to have to have two others. Well, I imagine if it's a g-RC that's arrable that you'd

think the ambassador will be there to help you? I'm a bit of Chris, what you said? You'll be able to, and you. And then, I was going to, I had an amy in the day. It's called a Virat, an engineer, Thailand. But now, you're changed to prison, now? Now, you've been sent to have, you're out of the prison of Chiang Mai?

No, no. No, no. I'm still at Changmey. Okay. I'm at Changmire. At Chiang Mai, I have an amy who is an engineer who, he is in front of

two checks, a company of engineers, but two checks that have not passed, you know, he said that's for that, so we're in a new chum. So, so,

so, now, I, I'm coming to that, I'm going to go, I'm in the village, I've got to be able to,

it's, I'm going to die here. I said, I said, So I wanted to I'd want to be able to get to be in,

you know, there was not quite a seat, and the ambassador had to be able to be able to have to be in a minute, I said,

I said, I'd say, I'd probably could be able to try to try to get to try to see, so,

I'd say to think of all of stymannian, you, to, you know, I'd be able to with a,

with a perch, you know, with a tithe, you know, that's at 15 feet of the no, no, no, it's not good.

Farine, I'm too. I'm a dought that a heroine mid-threaten who thinks he will mourn in a prison Thailand,

the ideas for sort of there had to have been to have been in the head. There's all the

all the sort, and there was not a lot of that was, but I opted to me

to me to make a poulie. So, so I'm demanded to the direction to have the

to go to go to where's the where's the mob of the tithe perellas it's the

meubbienist dietic, you know, I've ponied the job of the benists sculpted with the other

but while I was there I started to make a poulis in wood fran it's made

like a greek the same and with a troup of fereg with a with a shive

of boath with a same with a with a mule in in baw

with concave a pulle, finally A ploy, a cat, and then and then, then I'd see that's

a check, it's not evident, there's plenty of people who's around with me around,

you know, the chef the hotelier, the chame, it's called Tan, he's eight chief of

attire, he's, he's a minute, and I'm that I'm gonna, I'm sorry, I'm cu, then he me

and he's me regard, and he said, let's me let's me do, let's my to pay, I'm the party

to put to pay, I pay, I pay, he's I pay the pull-y for the more to put in to put in to

your own, you know, to have to have to do it, and I'm doing, I'm in two, so he

made a minute, and then, then we got to a quick that I've made, I'm going to down, in the cellul

you know, and then, and then, and then, there, there, he foe had the cellul

, you know, regularly, so, so, a moment of the , he went to fooier the cellule,

and he throws that, my son of pouly it was all the greek you're all the tithe that's not

there, and you're there, with the roundel I've made a game of pique

square dam that's a pique preft cair corvo and they're

they're they're they're they're so when they when they they're when they're

what they're that with the tige I'm there and I'm at the I said, you're in there.

It's like, It's like a little It's like, it's like that. It's interesting. And then they said, oh, we're doing that.

It's interesting. They've had to see, but there's, but the second they've been confisced my Y. Because,

I said, the first time, what's you do with that? We could cook up in the cellul, so,

so, so, so I'm saying, I'm not to the challenge, and the place to, the floor,

there's, and there's, and then there's a, It was very good sense, you know, but the second they've got to be, they've got remonsted. So, like, now, I've commanded a second.

A second. It was, like, finished, and all, but, you know, it's arrived so much, at this time, Marcello, the Italian, he, he'd,

you know, like, I'll try to calm me, there, That's someone who is a Italian who Okay, perfect.

It's a man, a fool malade, a fool dangerous, you know, so he, but he,

he, he's furnished, in a other case, in a time, that's the time,

that, that he's malade, I'll not be sure, to say, to the degree,

there, I, when I'm going to go, the last shot, it's a

Monday, 13, September. And then, there, I'm He is liberally, he left, there's been a arrangement

that he's been to go to the other board of the tautule and I'm going to you know, I'm going to and then I've done all the toilet, and then I've got to do that,

okay, he'll help you get to evad a little cord with a poth and I'd have to I'd have to defunce the toad my cellul I'd

have to get on on the appellate of an Australian that's called Stephen, a guy to sit here, I'd back on his epos,

and with a gouged I deface the through the door in the place of the little bit of a little bit of a few,

there's a little in the cell of that I've made, you understand? You know, you're not, to be able to

him. Yeah. Civen, it's the sole, for me to help me to be,

so, so, so, I've got, to get, to get, to the, so,

when I defal the toilet, the t'clock, the, the t'clock, and I'm to be the other board,

you know, the other bar, you know, there's a guardian in bicycle that's the turn of the block

of the prison in a in a row at all the minute okay it would calculate

like to so the idea to get to get to the other bar there was that I'm going to

watch at 9 hour the night I'm I'm saying flashlight I'm in so

before that before that the Monday I'm on I'm on course the Monday

for the 10th the time there there there was my past my photo

with a visa a passport French, with my putt for the minute. When you come visit the

Monday Oh, your yeah, he was liberated there. Okay, okay,

okay, he, he's been he, with my photo and all, with my photo and all,

when I was, I'm over, I'm in a cell out, and then he came to and he demands to,

he doesn't the agent to guard and me me let's out, I'm these scenes, you know,

like that he said, oh, the passport, yeah, he's well, he's really in his pockets. So, so, that's the passport,

you know, for the most, you know, whatever. So, so you go to the chmy, he's tracy,

you're correct. One, when I'm a passport French, I'm a fair, that's the same

of the thing, so, so, I'm put to the other bar, the other bar, the moor,

it's, it's a lot to the other bar with his chams, and he attach the cord after a cable

grown of the same in the arm. I'm trying my cord to get my cord to get

to get to bring your car in the grigny because your cord is not a small

it's a little card to get just to get to to get the poe with the

poe he accroche the gross cord to you bring the back

to the tabar at the interior and while when I

for that it It's a, it's up on the border of the tooture. It's a zip, zip, zip, zip, zip, zip. I can't. I'm not. There's not.

There's not. There's not. There's not much. The tauture. Mm-hmm. It's a serious, you know, before I thought I'd say, to pass it in my pulley.

You can't you, the carb, pasted in the poultry, before, you know, to be it, to attach it after. You, it's normal, then, there, I'd say, hey, I, pice-s-e, you, I was trying to

two, three times I was to descend to the door to turn in a bus He went to get in and he's looking to check

the cellul Okay, okay, I'm because of the person who's that's he had heard of the

oh, he came up to have seen in cellul he's he's arrived with a 12, he

has traversed the mure, I'm, I'm at the toilet, I'm just a plate, I'm attached, and I've seen

the flashlight, I've seen the blacklight on and I'm and I've seen with his 12, the flashlight

and he's there and he's at there I'd make a little of the minute, the

if he had to have been, he had to but he didn't know, he had been to see, he had

been in the back, and he had been to get to the corner, I'm sorry, he said, and you,

the police was to you're playing after the and slide like a , yeah,

exactly, exactly, I, I had a saronged attached here, and crache

after the poulis, and I made my two arms to the same, by on the

And the error I've made, I've thought to all the details. So, I've not thought I'm not sure. It's a bit of course. It's a brule. There, I'd want to listen.

But when I was going to be, I thought, because there was loose. When the torture is there, she has 15 feet

to the whole and the tooture is there. Now, I'm down the void. Because there a loop, the tension

is not as far as strong? The tension passed up, but, but, guys, to all the action,

there's a reaction, there, there, and it's and then, and then I fracked the fess

the cloture electric. I've been to be there a boat, I'm going to geth no problem,

you know, that's a ten, ten feet, the cloture, after that you've had to

get a 15 feet, it's a foot, and there's three feet, and there's a lot of

that's, so it's, it'd be able to the tauture, it'd be the angle, you, but,

there, a lot, because I'll be able to see, and I'm just without the year, it's just the 12th

September, the day of my anniversary. It's just because it had done that that's because Marcello,

that I talked earlier, yeah, he, he, not be able to get to transfer it

because at the moment that, he transferred the prisonier, also to the sentence

it'd get to all right, he'd not, you know, so, so, so,

Marchello, Paul, Extantant to, he had had not he'd had been,

So he would not part to. The general, he'd ever that. He had entered in the cellul, and he had done to Marcello, he had done,

he had put in, he had pre an igui with a fill, he had tramped it in the two cuis, he had left the fill that

pounded for a couple of a few of a few of a few of he, he's he's, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's been completely,

it's brown, red, all of color, hour jones, to not be... To not be to be able to

transfer it. For the general not content, he had three, four guard with him, and I was,

I was there had a matter, because I was done my usual, he's got to a point, I suppose he had to

get a he was, and he was he wanted to plant the general in the garge with the furgette,

you know, when you said that's a focke, it's a bon fockee, no, no, no,

I don't, You don't do. It's dangerous. He's a more in the den of it. Okay. There's a other story, that. But, that's not interesting,

but, Chris, you're evade, you know, the day of your night, you're going to be out. You're out. You're out. You're out of,

you're in a passport French, you're doing, it's a lot, they're going, with a little pickup, Toyota.

A little pickup, Toyota. He has, Virat, the engineer, my chan, he had his chum at

him, he was a, he's a, he's the conductorer. conductor, and he's he knew the terrain there's what we

we'd have to get to the family there's, he'd know where we'd and they'd go to get to stop

in the middle there's a where there's there's a whatever, we're back in the truck and there's cussed on the

door, and with the rat, we're two in the in the rear. I was at about

1,500 US in my in my pocket. In cash, okay. Yes, but

but, before the I did the the Vialat, guard the cash because of the same

it's the place that we're going to get to get to pay for, because we have looed

an espete a great machine to go to go to the forest like,

Volvo did that like a kind of a special of a cat parquet of

VTT like a machine that goes in the general we're we've

had been reserved and all, you know, we've got to about that, because we've got to we've lost to the money in some all the end, I'm going to be

and he'd come to be in a house that he clued with me and he cliques and he cliques and then, and while

that I'm in a moment of the we, we pass on the table somewhere, and there I've seen, there's weird,

like, it's drool, like, it's droid, like, it's droid, there's a little, there's no, there's not, there,

They were all right, all the money that's going to have to be on the day of mine when I was going to go out on the same time. All right. There he's past. There's a bit of 500 bat. But now, he's going to... No, it's not going to be.

It's going to be able to check the money as well. Yeah. And then, when he got to get on the money, he's got to pay, he's not going to be in the truck that he's not there. He's just made to pleading. He'd be demoralized, well, they'd be like a man. I'd say, well, I did, listen, we're not,

to go, we're not finished, we're liberated, we're liberal, we're able to find a mania, you know, he's encouraged, you know, it's... No, it's...

No, no matter the night of the bono, we're part, because we could not, we'd have not of the money, there'd just, I don't know

how many, not a lot of money, you know, pass it to pay the patent. There's a space of machine to pass in the germ, and there'd

give a few of the family that there's, and, He has an poulet and a 14 of my combe

you know, you're doing whiskey local You know, because that's when you're in getting to save you're in

Evasion, the whiskey is important to be essential For the guys who are with who are with me

we're we're four in total so, so we're on the but I'm like,

but I'm mad I'm mad I'm you're in plus? Even during

the evasion I'm you're done the morning so the morning your signalment is

made, you know, like to what you're evaded I'm in the moment that, so that's

an evadate, you're a question, you're in a man, that's a person who's an person,

the Australian. But the other, when they came to the police and they have,

he said, he's a five, it's a , he's chien, so he's there,

no, but he, he, he's, he's not able to get to he,

he was not he, he didn't, he was, I have the review By the end up I said I did read

at a maximum after I'm sorry that's a joke that's a question in this time it's not

there's not there so I'm so I'm a pop so you're an evade we're in

you're in you're not you're not we're not I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry

I'm forced but marched because that it's the omiccom that's the And the gross river that traverses the Laos, the Vietnam, the Laos,

and that comes, and there's an enbranchment, one of the gross en bancements, is there, I was there, me. The river Salwin, it's still quite a large, and it's been, and there's a lot. And there, and it's just to be around there, but it's been long, because, I'd have jared to de places to be by, but I'm going to be. I'm going to be able to, you know, to be it, you know, to be able to. to us

to them that's, you know, that's, you know, they're trying to to help, yeah, yeah,

yeah, he's just there yeah, yeah, he's in the trouble for you, he's been in the trouble, there,

that's, how I can't me feel, I'm sorry, no, but it's been for me, for me,

I'm not, I'm not long time, I'm conscious, me, yeah, a couple of years,

a couple of years, I'm not too, I'm, I'm pretty in criminality, you know, the appell, that's,

that's, I've been 25 years of finance. Bravo, in passing. I've been to 5 years in 2000 at age of 55 I've been a pause. We'll go to

I'll come in Thailand I'm in Thailand, okay, okay, now we're going to get to Messonet but, me,

it's a Mayornson that I'm going to go to, you know, it's on the bar of the old Salwin, there, there, there,

there, there's an army that's the carine, It's an army very savage, very well-equipped. They're in

no-manzlan in Burmanian. In fact, it's called what, the Myanmar. Today, there's no-manned Mare.

Okay. So what? It's no-man-zlan. They're not. But they're not pro-thaland-day. They're not in Thailand,

they're in Burmany, but he for the Thailand. Okay? And they're some of like Rambo. Trey Rambo?

Oh, yeah. You know, their, Kooto, the, Kooto, it's, you know, the,

they're, they're, they're, they're, they're never to be able to win, you,

like, whatever. I had invited Virat to, to go, in the light,

an eclairer a bit. Avant, my, my evasion, in Eklara to make the deal with the chef for that I'm not going to go and he had done that

and all with a deal it was like I think it's 200-pia to US it's a little but that you're not that we're not but the

beer at the moon in the north and the three other we don't but they're not too too cheap so there because I'm over

because I'm over there we're going to get in the boat we're going to leave on the carine and we're going to ,

and there's a chef sitting in a chair special, that's a , you know, typically

there, all the other. Now I'm, like, there's a passport. Reusement, because,

there, they know, they know, the news, there's not the journal, there's probably there's not,

there's a , he's just, hey, I, I, there's a, he's a resortician

in French who would would say, and he would be there, and it to be,

uh, somewhere of the Thailand, finally. Okay, you start out. Your name. Your name.

Your name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the deal with the chef Karen,

that's, it was two hundred Pace, he me gave, let me say, me, he'd give,

two guard with the M-Sides, and me, accompanied at foot to me to me to me get to

a point, and then to do that I'd be in, and then he'd be to bring,

and, but, but, we're in the chef, and they're at you're obliged to do it

that's over the money. You're not not not more than that's fine to say to fire to do you

because of that's not a bad to be able to but he's not, he offered the people,

he said, I'm going to know, it's worth than that it's like it's like it's like

it, we're just it, we're just there's a passport if you're there's a

there's been, there's super well-fed with the everything. Now he could not to get anything

to get my passport and he's obliges to leave the bar so I'm obliged to come to

the country to the town but the chauffeur the Toyota there's a cousin

that's with his family and his two and poor poor poor

poor like job to mount on on but it's his

co-c more more than you than you were A little But,

but now it's that, so, we don't have no, we're not that's,

we're trying, and then we're trying to to go to to get a little to get

to get to get to the other pass. The chef he's not fool

he's he's he's he's he's on the two espion they're

the guy of the battle, hey, Sard so, you're going to You can't confisced your baton

You know, confisced the baton I'm saying there's a lot And so You know, You're like, Yeah,

It's the bottom of the Of course, It's a day Chances, it's not the time of course, you're not time, you're doing until you're

getting afloathe, Well, I said, I've said, I've been a bit T'Au'clock Cauts, you know, but, you know, but, you know,

I don't know it's It's like It's like, it's like There's a lot of parameters There's a time You could probably Flancher, you know

Is that you're Is it You're going to At the Mesauntle Yeah, okay Yeah, I'm in a Mesaunt And then I

And then I'm Atta return At least She's, I'd Goh To go and I'd have in

My money, I'd arrive to He'd He'd be in Bout Because the Ambassade Checked

All my Cont, So, there's a part of force with him. He had this good guy, Viorette. It made a little guy of two guys,

you know, and they've been pogned, and they've got to not yet, or not for the other things? No, for more for more.

Okay, we'll have been, yeah, when Stephen, in the cellul he made a man to say, he had done the name

of Viarat, also, okay. And then, there, Violette, the cousin, and so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, that, you're in the in the house, Jiret, he repart, he repart, he repart

to go and go ahead and then to come and then he's not to return. But, honestly, he's not able to get to be there. I think he's going to be able to

and I'm trying. And I had no time, not the cutoff, no, drug, and then, so, when they were entering at 9

hour the night, it's on the night, and it's in this house, yeah, okay. 32, all loaded, the army,

the police, the army, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

and I don't not enter not to enter into and there's a 10-year-old I'm trying to my time I'm trying to

get to the man, it's not, you know, I don't know because I know I say that you

there's 15 years, person to get out of town, you know, but there's there,

but there are, there, they've been there's been five years, three tally, and when they're they've ponied

two, two balde in the head. Because if you're mott, you're not evade. If you're If you're

If you're not Evade They can't They're not They're not They're not Whatever But they're

But they're But they're But they're They're not They've got They've left The Vos They've

They've been They're They're They're They're attached And we're And they're in In high

O'clock And they're Marche Two hours To have To have Aft There

Int of a Tau A little Croce And then All the army, he had been cussed,

and then, you know, and then, they were mennotted after a poto of bamboo with an other menat.

But, there, I had a menot, you know, my menace, they're not, it's not, serried,

you know, so, so, so, the night, it's not show, I asked,

a new to do it, and I'm doing a covertue, so, so I'm I've been able to

I'm wishing, to enleve a minute but I'm sure to grafini in doing that and then when I returned

on the bar I've heard of the click, a click on the other monot I never been

never been able to engrowing I was it's a clarred a little a clutch a touch

it's a it's a notch the morning I'm the matine, I'm there after the other slip

he shere the cell the coffee so it He then comes to me and he says the cafe I'm sorry

my hand no manned to put a coffee, he's not he'll not he'll be he'll be

he'll be he'll say to make that he realizes there's not he cried there the chef

arrives oh to damn but I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm he's what he's he wait we're we're

we're we're we're in Machealianne where's the little that's kind

of a bit the little little village they've made a party because all the

long, the guardians tap up at the shoulder, hey, you, you, Superman

they say, Y'am ching-chin you, y'am ching, and I don't not, that would say,

it would say, excellent. We'll say, how you've done to do that? How you person

to do you say, so I'm not, so I'm saying, I'm thinking, like,

I'm trying, they're doing a group soup, a big party with the beer, and the

The guardians. The guardier with the mayor, the mayor of the village. It's pretty much, it's been bizarre. The mayor of the listen,

they're content, they're not going to see. Ah, okay. Because, okay, because for us, ah, so for us

it's the fact, it's, okay, Chris, we've got a day of a day of, white in plus,

they're, they're all have, they're very recompats of the government, they're not to have been

to be able to me, when I'm, I'm there, the messalian, I'm not at all the moon, I've been sure, too much, and I'm a little creed of smile,

I'm a little, little gutt in the knee, you know, I've been, I've been, and I'm in, it's weird. It's weird.

So, that, the party of the leg, they're attached after an car, and had been in a car, and met in a car,

and memette, and I'm remnant, and I'm in my prison. The cell of, the, and then, me, we're in, my,

my, me, the, I mean, you'd say, you're going to say, the guardine, you'd be bad, you'd be not foet

you'd be not , you'd be able to, you'd be able to, see, more, I'm, I don't know, I see what, the affair that, the director of the prison,

he had the poe foece, he'd been, he had the poe fossey, he'd been, from, sud. So, when you're not too much

respected. So, for the director of prison, he had due, an affair, in an obstit, he had changed, he had changed,

the security, he had doubled the security, I'm evade. So, he doesn't like he doesn't. He doesn't. There, he's the caribble, is that there,

there's a, how many people do you, all the media come down, there, there's a grand table, with plenty of fruit, plenty of flowers, and there,

all the media, the Japan, the Andaltern, the radio, the TV, a little part of, and then, I,

I've done the hand, I, there, the governor of the province, who is there, the governor of the province,

he's there, there, there, there all the gros, a-coct to me, and then, I mean

to the director of the prison with a smile and I'm the photo of that I'm in the

photo that when I know that he would have to make to the mind you know, I'd

get to get to get all the credibility that he was he was he was

he was I'm but I didn't but he they're not, it's something

something to get something to something to the governor he's back there

and he I wanted that I'd face the evasion for he wanted to make sure that's even to evade. In his head

to him, I had paid and I was to start out of the port. You have you made the guy at the

second time? No, but I'm not paid. No, the second time. You're too mad?

Don't know what I'm. I'm not no 10 years. Of course that, so, so you're to get to

get to get to get to get to up to up 27, and then and they're in the

it's that so. So, so it's it's a question. And there, there's what,

when you're when you're prisonier, is that you're in all the patterns of, no,

I'm in the through, okay. Like, all new, I have there's chines of an elephant,

these chains that really that's really that, that, because there there's

there, the boat, there, the chines, there, it's not in the lock it's an affair that's the same

that you enter and then you're with a martot on a fire a fire of air, a ray of the ship of fire

and then it's there's it's fanned it's fend it's come you can't it's not you can't

you're not no no you're just you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna you can't then you can't

and the piece is that you're not able to get to turn to my arm and you're too pleasant the chines, but I was trying to,

but I was in the feet, and then I'm alone in the but they're obliged two guardians to rest with me

in the through, because they were charged the security to the minute that, in guise of

punition and they put not when I make to make suicide, they've refused to me

to give me a crayon, they've refused because if he'd be to what, he'd be the director, he would have

to pass over the bat because the media, everyone knows your whole, everyone knew your know, so he'd protect the director,

but now, you're not to be the question to me to happen, to what, but they're there's other,

they're not, they're saying, tabarnack, I'm gonna because they're not in the through with you. They're not

to be in the two, they're not, they're playing, um, so, so, so,

so, so, three more, the, so, so, so, so,

you've been clean at this moment when you're when you're when you're I'm going to I'm I've ponied by 105

a few in the I'm going to I'm just I had just the right to rour and the

cohen of the art the corner the car you're not no but it's not that's that the transpiration

of that I'm not able to you can't when you when you when you're the coin

of the hour a journey long when you when you And when you're... When you're... And you're not often, I imagine.

I have a little coin for pissing but I can't be not to be able to get in a moment of the

cellul, he opened the cellul for change the guardian. And I'm approach just for to look out and I

saw someone in the back that I have been they're they're capote

very red no, no, no, no, not you, you, you, you're Superman, you, we'll...

It's a lot. And it's serious, in their head, I could have been imbaden, I'm sorry, you know,

you've got to have a lot of two times. So, so I'm not d'allu, you know, you know,

you're not, you know, to return to a population general? No, I return, three months

after, when I go out of there, I'm going to maximum to Bangkok, I, the most

bank one, it's called, the most prison of Thailand, the most severe. The most violent, I imagine. No, but the affair

on the ratio of the prisons dangerous in the world is the second. Boncone, in second place as a prison that's called

the Big Tiger. Because when you get there, you're going to get overed. It's like that you know. And,

Leon Libyan, he was there. He was there. November, probably, he was there. He's a bit with him

with. It's really not, but, I was just a bit, like, I was there I'm in there. So,

you're going to have been to have a pattern of, oh, yeah, he was

he'd he'd he'd , he'd the guy that was, because that's a reputation,

that's a papillon, everyone called the people, that's the story of papon, the story of

the Japanese, the French, the, Henry Chariard, I, I'd say, I'd say,

you'd say, And he'd And he'd be a papillon Okay So, So, So,

I'm When I'm doing at maximum The world They said Yeah, In their head,

they'd They'd Like to Like to- Like to- Yeah, I'm A great

A grand Costo Yeah, they're They're And And When you

When you You've You've That's That's You know, It's It's not,

It's The Reputation The the name preceded. So they're you had made an

image. Exactly. And then they're getting, they're a little dissu but they're

maybe it's it's just okay they're saying and it's it's like it makes it makes

it makes it it's a little bit too me who has that's that's I'm

there's I've poned the control again I've I've I've got the control

again again and I imagine to turn to come in the during

three months in the through a little too I've put on The affair is that we

We're attending So, so I'm talking The Tate of Gregon I'd say, I've been a bad reputation You know,

you know, You know, Is it? No, because if you do you A coup, a coup,

you're fed, you're finished, then person will be to be confident. I've never, I've always, always,

always, even, even, sometimes, when there's when you've been, he'd be

just a gram, and then it'd be used the gram in vand to pay my gram, and I'll

I was going to be a little bit to be not be too a bad not. Not a malady. The man

who was there, but it's a more more far. But, okay, yeah,

you're attended because the reputation but you have been by the guardian also because there

is an other reputation or that it's not super no, the affair is that

there's a guy that's there that called Johnny Walker an Australian okay

I'm don't you're not there's too long but he He me attended. He me

don't know these I'm going to my meantime I'm in a minute to he's like to do you

like a manned he's like to control he controlled the prison they're rich and everything

what's what they're saying and they're but Johnny Walker he was he was

he's an engineer he's all the machin medical he's

he's chimists he's there's there anything he's The arms, he knows the arms. It's a guy who is brilliant, brilliant, a six-pied, a great secret. He, in the dark, he built,

a body that's made, in bedon. All, made in bedon, for a studio of enregistrement, you know. Robert Kimball, the American, he, he's controlled it to all, Robert. He was a good guy. He's a good guy. He came to a good guy. He came to a family rich American. He's made up to the boat with plenty of pot. So he had not been 25 years

I think And then it was It was like six years he was there so

so that's that he he, whatever of that I've continued all the traffic the consul

all the time all the time all the time and I'd have to and I made some he had one a one

there's one there's one of them another that's he's called Gary Genovese,

the peti son of parin in New York a history poli. He,

I said credi and then he received the visit of the gang

of New York but I had a list he had $2,000 and

then I said I said I said you know the money you want to get to

get to he's but he had with him there him.

Leo and David that he's not they're not they're not he consumes he pays the consumption but it's the

muscles the muscles yeah yeah so he's conscious and he's okay

he's like he said he said so so like Leo yeah I'm over in my place

I'm with an affair that I had made to on the wood with a cloo with a Clue that's out of

that's out of the long. Okay. I get that in my poach of short in a rear of there's a way to be

to be able to be a idea that's a place that's a one of the one of the second time

he said, your ass is out you know, you're at saying, we're saying, we're going to be a farm

that, we're going to get to when he's coming to back, I'm going to why don't you

come right now you're a big motherfucker that he served at bar in a barbara, the point of mine, hey, it's a joller of football,

a boxer professional, even to be a, but we're in a man. But we're at two friends, we're in, we're in, me and he,

so, he's on, my affair, we, we, we're just, we're not, I'd like, to pick,

and he'd not be able to me, but it's made, like, we're trying, you,

you know, everyone has to be able to separate to us person is and he's blesseded

so he has proved that's a job and you have proved that you were able to defend and to get

to get to and then David, the little tabernal with the other black that I said he said we're going

to do you get to meet on the cello he's go on you're chie whatever

so when I'm on the so on up you there's there there's nothing that's

there's there there's How many you rest in this prison now? Normally,

after five years, after three years, you know, after three years, after five years, because the papras

is very long? Yeah, it's complicated. So, for that the pardon be signed by the royal.

Alain, we've had said a question, and you have a question and you have to do

the thing is that's that's that, all the point, at about at five When of time are liberated with the pardon?

I'm refused the pardon. The pardon of the pardon. The pardon of the royal after seven year. Seven years ago,

I'll show the response of the pardon and it's negative. The Thailand me they've said at cause of your invasion. Never the

royal will be pardoned. But the affair that is, is that a month after my refute of pardon,

I receive a visit. The prince Royal Thailand's Annih One of the queen of

okay you've been visited all my wife she's all she's all she'll be and then

that's you're doing that you're doing to do you don't know the part is that I didn't

me shoot okay no no but I'm talking to you know you're doing you're

talking a I'm a Italianette but Baraguinet I can't I'm not I'm

but I'm but I'm but I'm that you have said I've already I had to have I was a shirted, so, so, I'm in a few. A little bit, but I had to, like, I was just a bit of, I was just to

myrothed, you know, and I had pinned back with his hair, you know, so you know, I had a t-shirt, and then, I'd have a princess, I'm regret, and I'd like, I'd have, like, I'm in form, at this moment, and I'd be in a form? I sniffed a little parlorahua, but I had pretty much more than a while, a bit. But, but, uh, there, the princess

to me to ask, uh, if, let's we decide, they're, they're in

questions, I'm a woman, and she's, she'll have to be the and I'm sorry to be,

and I'm quite, well, she's, well, very, you know, class,

you, like, a, a good, a girl, you know, it's exciting, you,

you know, especially when she's in family, yeah, no, I'm sure, she fin,

but, And then she'll be if we're you're able to you're not to tell you don't know you'll not

talk about to the Thailand in mal so I'm I'm saying yeah I'm gonna make you

like Melle you're you're you're sure yeah yeah you're gonna

see that I'm I'm gonna I'm that I'm that's I'm gonna I mean

I'm I'm sure what you I'm sure I'm sure I'm I was like that. I'm asking,

I'm able, I'm able, I'm able to be able to be quite to understand that when you're made,

it's that. But you assume. I assume. It's just that. As soon as I came, I made a better of course.

It's the difference between your and the history of Alain or what, you see, you know,

I said in the life, I'm saying, I'm playing not, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there,

to my proper gris. I'm going to go, you know, the princess has made to promise, to promise, to not salar the Thailand? Yeah, but you're going to, you're going to never remit the pi on Thailand also? Yeah, it's so, banning a life. But, there's not long time, the year past,

I received, the documents of Thailand. I have an friend who came in Thailand, the Tibu, he married with a Thailandese, and he has used, he, at TV, and in a journal, that my name has out of, Where are there in Parisian?

What's what happened with the architect? Papillon is where? And then, I'm in fact, I'm in the channel, the legendary channel, Thailand. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, I see. So, so, I see, the paper by the post,

at Jack, my name, here, to Quebec, a little bob, and we'll give me that. It's in Thailand-day. But I've made tradue in French and English. There, I was all to read it in French,

by English. I'm a little bit of my history, like that. Okay. It's a little whatever. So,

so that's so. So, you're a little a, someone of a myth,

a bit of a bit of in Thailand that, you're part of the story of the... I was in

it's not that's not much. Did you have you think the fact tradur

in Thai? I'm don't know, I'm said, he's probably almost totally

in Thailand in Thailand. Okay, so, so, there's a version

English? Well, the version English is terminated. It's terminated, but there it's not to pay the graphic,

like I've done with that. Perfect. Parade the section graphic. You've seen, you have there's a photo in, in the final, like, it's a photo. So, it's all, it's

to say, it's not, but, in fact, that, actually, , so, that's, actually, that's, what's the thing is,

is that we, is that we, were the case, you know, we'd have to, we had to stoch to the ambassador,

there, for them, they'd have really I'm not quite to count it They have, you know, like the visit we have

a visit, we're a minute per month for us for us how we're and they're and they're

being, the Canadian are too the worst the best, I'm not afraid of to say

and I'm sure, I'm sure to say, the people, even if you're

to be your visa, they're that, the Canadians, you're the only,

you're the only that's Virginia, Canadian at the international, you understand, you know, not it,

they've taken the medicine American, that's 85 years, the bonhame, for us check him.

And he the old, they said, he said, he said, because they don't check my

eyes, look, I have a temperate, and I'm the other typant, you know,

I'm trying to domine the sole, and I'm infected at the os. He, the

view, me check, everything, But there, I said, it's what he said, it's what he said, it's a bit of my friend, and he said, and he said, he said, he said, he said, what you said would say, if you'd say, he'd say, but they don't know

the right to... To have not the right? But now, you'd have to remnant at the , that's, it's in the prison, that's not parable, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. But I know, I should you do you have to come, because you've wanted to, you want to be able to be, you're going to, you've, you're, you're, you're, they're, you're, you're, Liberated, the ambassador

You have set up to stock at the point At the time No, I'm not No, but you're But you're No, but you're

There's a No, but you're The affair of the Abbasat With the old, you're Yeah, I see Yeah, I see I'm just

I'll be To get Where I'm It's not It's not It's not To get to The return to

Canada I want I'm in I'm here I'm for that Yeah, Yeah, I'm just

But, but, but, but, I was I was called and then he was

called to be to go and I'm he said he's he's okay,

I'm 15 minutes to start to get to get a two weeks to be able to advance

I'm they're done 15 minutes you say to say to person what's that's

that's that's where you're to come to be transferred to the yard which is

the midian but that I'm So I'd say, if we don't what you're doing, you know, you're transferred to the yard.

Okay. You know, in the phone, no. It's that I'm transferred to the, let's see. Well,

the non, it's not important. It's, um... Yeah, but it's the same the affair, is that, the ambassador,

the premier minister, Brian Maroney, okay. He had written a letter to my mother, a bell letter

to my mother. Okay. for the patent. My mother, my mother, my mother, my mother's beck and hong

to try to try to repatri here. And then Troubaud, he's allowed to make transfer to the portage

and it and it's not much to work whatever. There's many of people who are

occupied to my case, but there we'd we'd we'd It's

it's weird because there's there there's too there's too there's there's too

to be to there's the at least your while you're there well, you Yeah, yeah,

it's the platt, it's so. But, so, the place that you, the place

that you didn't know, who's to get to the immigration, in the being repatrié to Canada.

What's that's, what's, that's, when you're repatri to have you have you

have a rest of sentence to end up to Canada, or not, not, you know, you're

to come to Canada, I'm not a no dossier, but I'm there's there's always

not of the case in Quebec, to Canada and you know, in in what

year? In 87? In 87, you're yeah. And we do you're going to do you

imagine, you get to find your your family my my family my family, my family,

my wife, my my ex-fam to get to emigernal at

at this moment that, yeah, yeah, all right, she's in all that,

she's quit before that it It's what you said at least. We're going to take care of it, because I'm here, I'm going to, so we're going to,

you know, I'm going to say, you're going to your family, your family, and so, but I'm going, my wife, and my family, and so, but I'm not the right to go to go to the States at a living, at a maternamb. In cause of your dossier, Thailand- No, it's because my dossier, it's because my dossier, it's interpol.

Interpol. It's so, so I'm not the I'm not going to go to go to the U.S. A lot of the States, but I can go to go to other countries except in Thailand. Off in Thailand.

Now, you me say, 1998, you're in return. You're sob from 2025. Now, what's it's terrible.

Now, I'm in Cork. Because here, you, before, you know, so, you know,

have you the intention to reprint your old attitudes or, you you know, you want to, you know,

to, you've been, in a life normal, you're It's a bit of years, it's like that's what, debut quarantine at this moment? Yeah, I'm 42. 42, 402.

It's almost my age at this time. You're coming. And then I'll come. It's not a question for me to return in architecture, because the architecture, you're still in the ground, on the time. That's all it's going to evolve.

It's all the computer. So, I'm, all that's all that are dinners, it doesn't interest. So I've seen that it's a month of whatever. I refused. So, so, I,

I'm baruette in Laurenti a little right, but I'm put in the cannabis.

So I made the cannabis medical, with these, with the permits federal,

they've they've been uptroyed of the permits, the permit federal to make

cannabis medical. There were medical, and there other, there were that,

the Canada, we're saying, that's it's, time for for you, but I'm like, hey, Chris,

I mean, I've had three, four, four, four, four, four, four,

even more than the community federal of, yeah, of production of cannabis. Yeah, and then you

did, you know, but I came down to back, and it's, it's not, it's been

too long, you know, with the young, with the old, the joe, my,

my old time, it had been , clenke the coke, and it had been,

it's, it was the de bit, and, okay, okay, not, clack,

the ball, we're inject, you know, sometimes I do, sometimes when I do you know, I'm doing, I said,

I'd say, I'm bushery because because when I was doing that, I'm in the room,

and in a room, and then person would have entered, because I would be

to see, the scent, the sand coagulet to me, there had due to the floor,

and I piqued in the time, and then I'd never had nothing,

the suver me brulees the God. So, like, I could durie 5 years of same, 5 years without to drink,

without dorm, to boot. And then, I'd be in two days. And my blonde, she, like, there, she had to go, and she said, not a moor.

She khaned not. She didn't know. She'd have, you had no, you know, that's, you know, it's had been two and we'd have to go to my

poor moment, and then. And the last shot that I've made at the Rue de the joy in the year

in 2000. But excuse me I'm going to come up and we back to 2007 to

you know there's a permit you know you're doing you do you do you're on you're on

a craquet you know I'm a coquet total my chote to the cocke continually

and you and you you're on amourous of that. You're made up your

there's a something that's that's a bit of a big she had been a bit okay.

She's she'd know she you know she was she was she was when I'm

when I'm in the old I'm sorry it's it's bad to it's bad

she's not she's so but it's there's there up and down parmere I'm

never really Arette the The affair is that... There's a bit of the past just more rough than other. The affair is, I'd always be

always to understand today at age that I've, that I'm just, at 81, to be conscious of all that. You know, you know, I'm trying to, there I'm trying to,

what? You know, like, I'm attracted by something of smooth, you know, I call that the delistage. I'm defaced

of all. I've been given my property, my house. I mean de facto I'm afraid to be embarrassed to all my bebe

You're talking The EPI who is part When your When your No, no Complication No, no

No, I'm There's no No, I'm There's no No, I'm What's that I'm, I'm What I'm

I've got Before a You've You've got You're in face of me That you're And you're

Vivant Bravo for that You're chancerer There's a There's a something that's something that's

on the world, I don't know, I'm not not a person, I'm not a question,

but I'm that you're like, there's a way of the view of the that you know,

that's, you know, for what we know what, what we're to know, what, what you're

to be able, for that, it's that's a time, that's the last, the last

time, I'm the last year, in a year, in a year, to do you, it's the plateau

somewhere, there, there, there, there, Cocherell who's that's promen, you know, and I'm

in a corridor there's a little there, there's a little, there's a little there, and there's a little bed at the bottom, the room is at the bottom.

Now I sat sit on that this little bank and I'm shoot without for a for I don't know I don't know

I'm not to know I'm at the end it's like like I'm like,

I have the bra, I got the Ponying at a time for a couple of days, I'm not capable

to be able and then I'm sure in the because I'm able to find out of Venn

there's plenty of time and there there, so I'm on the most of the man

to see, there, there, my people are, and my cariddle there,

there by, and he says, let's see, let's go, let's see the do you have so that in crepe

or they're in front or they're going to get in it's a light somewhere

I'm in see, I'm going to be to get to 90 years you know, you're not

capable to maintain to the butt. So, I said to be to be

to be to be to be and then a minute, and the in a day of

in the time, you're not you're done, it's even that's just I'm going to be

to be able to I'm in a pleading He made up marriage No, it's correct I think with all you I'm doing,

I'm trying to I'm trying to why, we're doing I'm doing I think to my man, you know,

the good parents, I've been super good parents I'm sure and I and,

we're not we're not count of the you're not to you're in

pay today? Now, it's sure I I'm in a moment of emotion because it's to remind some of the time, but today,

at 81 years, are you in peace with, with your life, with all that? It's sure that my life has been a lot of

more simple, you know, and I, and I, I've always been atter by the spirituality, you can't

always, I could not pray, because I'm not hypocrite. I can't imagine someone who's

who's got to who gets in who gets in who's who pray it's not so I'm not of sense

so I completely put that but I'm after 25 years after 25 years I'm in I'm in the movement

CA cocaine nominomone anonymous you're implicated serious for a

few years yeah I see again I'm again all my all my still

so so that so so that so and you you're said

during in the years. When is you'll write your last I'm out of your last time

when is you go to it's like you exactly he's like that you did you do do well

yeah yeah, oh yeah it's a therapy for me that's a not therapy that

yeah yeah and then and yeah and how it how it

it's not it well it well yeah well yeah

well yeah together together. I'm a little young that's it's not you're not

you're not we're going to we're in like on on the you know to get to the respect he

there's there's not there's I'm at the I'm at the same we're like we're like

we're like complementar you're like complementar if you don't me because it

doesn't but you you know with you you're all of all these years

and you you know today pension of year you're you're just you

do you You know, how you've to have to be able to after the years of 2000, after the years of these years of prison of Thailand,

of consumption, of all that? No, I have some of the restant of the land of my house.

Okay. Yeah, but it had to have to have an agent to your and, you

understand? You know, how you have reached to be able to to work? Yeah, to try to

work, you know, I've been in two, you have been a pot. Oh, you, but you've

talked of four , you've had had been of four Yeah, so, it's... Okay.

Hey, if you're... Hey, if you're... Hey, if you're listening to the audio, and I see if you're not in video what we're saying, but... Hey, if you've got to...

I'm going to... We'll... We'll... We'll... We'll creusra not more far. Those who had to comprehend, who had to come from,

those who had to come back and get... We've got to... We've got to... Pursue me. It's all. You're fronted and it's fun.

Hey, yeah. No, but today it's fun because I'm totally legal. Totally legal, you know, and totally clinging.

You have your tight, yeah. You're a woman who you have, that I love, that I love, that

and I'm a big family, I have some mervehue your family. My, your wife, has

you, has been a little other children? I have a My wife, and my My daughter, and my wife, and my wife, she has three children

And then? And she's in Arizona, are you in Quebec? Yeah, they're there's in there. So, she

has been to She said, she, she, she's not She, she doesn't, she's not, she's,

so, person to say, I'm talking, she's, she'll be, to have, you, or do you? Yeah,

there's been in the year the year, the year, I think, it's, like, five years,

I've been, but, you know, video, Teams, Messenger, you know, I imagine, he's made

video, you know, they've got granddad, you know, they're going to , you know, did you know

there's been good conversation with your about you, you've been that you've been when you're when you

know, is, is she, has been doing? Is it? Yes, is that. Because, I'm not,

because I'm got to when, because I didn't, a good pair, and then, then I said,

well, I said, well, I said, she, she's called Zoe. said, Zoe, I said to do that

without pretension or whatever that's not, I never wanted to have an infant. I said your mother,

she said, she said, she was making, that she said probably to get to and she said, I'd

do it for me. She wanted for her. She wanted not a father, she wanted

a donor. She wanted a donor. So, automatically, I was there when she had I was in the same. I sat there

sat at the cussing at a Couchement and all, but I'm not a good father, you know, I'm a show business, I was in a show business, I was in all right, you know, I'm just everywhere, you know. At you, you've done it today? Yes, well, yeah, well, yes.

You have a good relation, even if she's a long, and so, but you're super, super, super. I've seen, and I've seen, regularly, many, yeah. Well, the advantage of the internet, the radio social, we can still can't even rest in contact with some of the

His wife, she's an American. He's a married He's a nativeian. He abit somewhere in Quebec, and she's been and she lives with him and she'll be,

and then she'll be going to be together. She lives in Arizona. She lives in Arizona. She lives in the United. Her husband, he abit here. Okay, the mayor of...

I think, that you had said the marriage of your wife. No, the married of your wife. Of your ex-fam in the phone.

Okay, okay, okay, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Okay. The marries my ex, that's so she's

so she's so. With me, and the two other other that had had used

with, with him. With him. Yeah, that's so. So, you're a an

mononque and a grandpap Yeah, yeah, but what there's what's

there's no idea, there's no, no, no, no, but I'm

because they're they're grandists, and, you know, I, you can't not to go to go.

But, I'm going to I'm going to finish the culpability, finish the remor, finish all that. There's nothing that's the more

that's going like it. I think it's for me that it's not a to learn. There's a more of

fact that you have to do it's a really that it's a lot to be to be able to let's

to prevole the more you, you know? When I I was young I had read the Bado Todol, which is the Libbyn't

Tibetan, but I don't know not, you know, in the time, I was a young, I used, I used, so,

so, so, so, so, so, and it's, it's, it's, it's,

I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I see, that's just a transfer, I'm really convinced,

so, so, so, so, so it's really, there's really, there's not, the world, so,

so, so, so, I'm, , You don't it's not. We'll do you want to some of the

years. You're not not an invitation to go to it's not a way to be I'm going to see the same

but I'm going to I'm going to for the years, you're going to what, you want to what, what? What's the

you want to you're going to do you do you do you're doing to do you do you know I've never

done to have this live in the view to have of the money. No, no,

but because if I was I have done before You know, you're not You're not

For a long time for Yeah, no, no, but, you know, I'll say, do you Do you want to be To be, is there Are you going to come and see Do you want to be? I've done to find.

I've made a launchment. She's at the end of St. Ibuhr, we're 10, 50, 60, person, I've gone, they're on there, it's on Amazon. So, Amazon, he me

envoys, they're going to all right, they're going to send an address. In other, they're in description of the podcast, all the links will be

there to be in your own to get to be in the point you're at least with the internet the couriel maybe more

even more. Maybe not. But if there any of the maybe, you're in maybe if you're at least

if we're in an address couriel of the people, I'm I'm an friend, he's a

guy, he was a a poet and he's he was helped in in the letter,

he was he made and he a guy fantastic, it's a A guy, brilliant, a good. Anastopedi, an ambulant, you know,

but he's fascinating, so. So, but he's that, he, I, he, I, I, I, you know, for he's up for the rents to account.

Okay. To get, we'll, we'll make the line of the live, direct, if there's an other link eventually, if there's an address

couriel, if there's there'd be there to contact, some, but I can't give my address courier,

but it's so, we'll make your address courier, like that, if there's people who will be contacted for

plus for ex-resum I like to give us to give us this podcast there's a there's a

there's many of my inveter after that there's been there's many of things and there fact you know

let's go contact my invite my if you want to have in an interview or ex

affair there I'm because we're just at the end just at the what you

want what's what's the what's what's the I'm a life but

I think I've I rest a realist my dream is to return to return to return in the north of

Nepal because I 've been a bit bit in the Tibetan in a monastery not long

but I put in a piquel you know a every time I'm a think

to the I'm to think to the I'm and I think of so,

but we see never. We'll we're we're not a go

Fandmi with the leave, who's will be maybe, I know I just have to get to

get to be with a go to me, but I'm like that's what I'm that's what.

I think of that's what that's not a problem, thank you very much, thank you very much

of your presence Christy, I'm just just before you, it's a little but

thank it's interesting I think I'm, I think we're fast forwarded a bit,

but guess if you want, if you want, when he was going to get, I'm going to get, I'm going to get a little bit. It's not a lot of a lecture of a book. It's the great line that have kind of dured pretty to 3rd.

You know, like, like, 1,500 pages, at a bit of many, there are many, you know, but I can't, you know, but I can say, you know, like a certain satisfaction to have a life well-reemptly. I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm not.

But, I, look. Thank you. I, I'd want, success with the live. I'd want what you want. super-apprecied as an episode grandment. I think it's

super simple and we'll be to be able to see me it's a pleasure thank you thank you I hope

you've appreciated this episode that as well I appreciate it's a man to a man to

discover a book to read to a parloor