Au Parloir - Épisode #126 - Jean Simard

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Jean Simard. Placé très jeune à l’orphelinat du Mont d’Youville, il a vécu des abus qui mèneront plus tard à un recours collectif historique de 65 M$ pour plus de 600 victimes. Marqué à vie, Jean sombre dans la consommation, la criminalité et les rechutes, jusqu’à l’épreuve la plus douloureuse : la perte de son fils. Un point de rupture… mais aussi un réveil.Aujourd’hui, il transforme sa souffrance en engagement en soutenant la communauté à travers la Fondation Dominic Moisan. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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that's a lot of his sentence even though a guy that's that while

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hand in a time in a time. He has had his first

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I'm not saying, pollyment. Femme d'all! Look at all for your body! Yeah, so it's the puttanto that we jose. So, gros parcoor, um, gross proof of reinsertion social,

of rehabilitation. You part of the long, and it's, we're going to go to go and where kind of family? I'm going to Quebec, at the origin, well, I'm not, I'm not

if there was, I'm not there like a sign there, I'm not at the point. Okay. I've been baptized, The first time I was going to get a certificate of baptism, you know,

so, so, so we're, and then we've been to New York, and I'm certainly in Quebec, of the city of Quebec. So when you say,

on, the family? The family, we're a family of five children, three, three guys, two three, I'm in the middle,

a friend less than two years, and a son, more than two two years, so, a little in all,

the little, the two more years together and he me beches on the and he's

a bit of this is, yeah, that's the story of family. I'm sure a grand

friend, me also. My family dysfunctional family, my mother is alcoholic

my mother, my father, there's a tendency, a tendency violent. Listen,

we're there on, we're not insecure as an child, and at the

age of eight time, the placements commas. But when you say, you know, when you say, you know,

there's a man lourb, gratuitment? On my my mare. Okay, on the mare. On my mare.

Okay. But if I'm mark at the two, I'm going to have a little bit of, you know, there's like,

to protect your mother? I've done it one, a few, and it's had been a lot of

but, you know, I've seen, you know, the man that's been to get to embarked in the shovel, he pised on the it was hot. It was

it was a particular. We had a certain hordeaux face to our vowsing to see my mother in this state that. My father, he was, he was out of him. He was a coleric. The generation also of the

man who's always, so, it's very little present. Normally, it's the mother that's supposed to be in-occupy, and if your mother is not in- -in-in-tut to be occupied, So you say, you're a little, to say, it's like the more grand who's up a bit of the more

little? Not really, we're not really, we're not quite to be able to, and the discourse of my man, it's always she's always,

she's, she's she had to be a old bardo in Quebec, she's had a good chanteau, like I'm, the point of

piano, when I was she'd, it's like, but, but, she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, you part

with a gross sentiment of, whoop, I'd have been to be there. And she's she? And she's

she, she, when she's not a place. If she she'd be a not, she would be a

career, I'd have had been a bad career, I'd have been very very very often, but in the time,

we're in all right on the time with a problem of alcohol, at what she'd have had been

a bad career also, you you know, well, you'd say, you'd be A good career.

So, so he's well been known, he has already to have been to be able to be in

it's, you know, it's, it's been a bout of his life, a beau

of her for her, but we other, we're going to get to get to there's

and then, and young, young, we've started to be placed, the first first time,

it's been the first time, there, there's not there, there's not too,

too, of the while the But, I'm the fact that I was, I was always the infant

, insecure, terrorized, I had scared of all the I'm afraid of all the when I was

to get in the wood to be in the little pleuror I'mxious anxious, I'm, that had

been a parent, but his parents had too functional that I could not much

that I'm that's a question of love and that he's he has been a moment at a age of 12

years, my father, he made in an auto bus, and it's the first time I'm saying my time I'm

an attention special just at me there. And he said, he's, he's like, you're like, you're doing,

you know, and then, you know, I'm going to his words, because, you know, he's put attention,

and it's not, it's not normal, and he's serious, you, in its their

they're doing the he's on to the Mongeauville. And then when I realize in the hall of the

world that he's going to me to let's see. You can you can't explain what it's a orphan

a orphanina garred by the sorrel of the charity in Quebec. There was a pooh- for the babies

you know the people who don't pay the the people who don't pay the people.

That's not the P.G. It's not encore. It's the charity with the Sius,

but it started, the intervenants of the DPJ would be to interact with the seurs. So,

there were, there was there was a time when I'm trying, I'm trying, and then I'm right on

part of the other, you're just in a short control, so they're so, so he'd

be in a captainate right there, you know, it's, uh, yeah, it's,

it's, it's, it's not, it, it's, A young in distress that's a bit abandoned, it's

a bit of It's a bit Yeah, you actually, you know, it's a time to get to get to be in

a little bit You're talking to repose, The term garroche that I use at the occasion it's a good

term, absolutely, so that's so, and there's a great cell of sejour,

he's all all the time to play, and I'm I'm trying to listen, extremely extremely

sensible, and I'm capable of accept this fact that that my parents are

more there so I'm sure, so I'm terrorized and there there's an educator

there, he's the chief educator and I know it because it's been

mediatedized he's still in prison for desagration of children,

he's John Anthony O'Reley he he, he, he,

he, he, he makes make some laxed at a yule in in the

cell of of the sejour, it's a , you know, it's a , he's a

man, he's he's he's he's, he's, he's he's

going to be a instrument with the he's a instrument with a stature, it's an

espose of a piece of chou that's a cloveach a chavent, exactly,

so he's he's how, he's a lot of he will be me a coup that, I want to it's over my cue,

And he's and he's on a car I'm going to my guy, he mess. And after that he exige

that I love I'mbrace. Listen, that's the guy, I know even not,

you know, for me, this guy that's the broad of the society that I

know. It's my first encounter with the society. With the system?

With the system, it's he so I'm developed a in visceral to the end of this world

that. So, so, so that's that I'm going to be able to go to I'm going to

I'm sorry and I'm really, he's madis, he's I'm really, I'm going to get to be

often, and at a moment in a moment of the time, with some people

try to me pate, to me mottries to be to be to be because you know,

you know, so you know, so I'm to know, a moment of done, I'm I've started to

respond, you know, and when I'm when I arrive in the capitone, it's, again, one time, the same scenario.

This guy, that's a man, and we've seen in his eyes, that's a saddick, a perverer. After that,

he made a longgan in his face, he'll be in himbrace. I, I'm just on a part, and the car

me, you know, you, you've got no idea all the that's what I'm going to pass by the head in this moment. Yeah,

so that's a guy, I know, I know how it's often, and I'm going to, I'm going to every week, is it,

is it? Is it to say to other people, do you see if there's a young who may be that?

My father is been to be some of the problem, just that, my mother is at the hospital,

my seurs are placed in an other institutions, my frere, in another, more, in cell,

he's deborded, the guy, and he doesn't really what I do, and he's not really really, you know, in a time time, it's he even time,

you know, if you're not, you know, it's a couple of tap, to the yoll, it's, I imagine it's a bit mentality,

you know, I'm a man a man, a man, he's an nastyy to be a man, you know,

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's getting to get the money to

give, he, he, almost an idol for me, and he has the

co-oote where's it's a big of jikiliite yeah, it's a bit,

it's a professional he had boxed in the he was he was, it was a good boxer,

well, a good boxer, it's not a boxer, it's not a book, so he

had to so he had paying for those who he had been to be able to and he

had to be butt, he'd be a manned to have run an uppercut and he passed by the second quarter. There, he had a, he had a good mantle. And, it's that. So, I mean, I mean, my father, it's a mon idol, so. But there's person there,

who, who's there, there's a lot of people? Yeah, well, you're the mayor superior on top of him. But the mayor superior, I think, is also failing as others. And, listen, and, you know, I've done done with the

other, you know, I've seen that the seurs, they've been they've abused

sexually of their children, you know, they've been to be able to try to make a blanche,

you know, the seurs, it's not a question of vengeance over the seurs or who

that's they're, they're doing some they're doing the people, they're

they're creating the sanct for the, for the people don't, they may not all the same, you know, it's probably

I'd say, a feeble percentage is a percentage of a lot, but, you know, they're not a lot of times, how many people we've been understood, the way, the church, it's actually, you know, they're paying, and they're saying, we pay for arresting, when they're paying to pay them to refrae, because it's us all

we're not, because it's us all, you know, so. But, yeah, yeah, but no, but no, not our victims, it's us, it's us, it's us, we're other. So, so, we have not, and a moment of a

minute, I'm talking, just to tell you know, we're going to say, we're saying,

I'm sorry, I'm not that I'm a little Christian, Borgas, it's a Spanish, and I

've been a man with him with him, I'm still with him with him today, we're talking,

we're talking, he's with me author of the recour collective, we're in the recor

when we're insured the recoured, we've been so, so, so, me and Christian, we'll save.

We say, we're saying, we're not going to be. He lived in this genre of things, he said. Oh, yeah, yeah, you got, you're abatted by O'Reilly, abused sexuallyly. You're, you know, it's something, that. And, you know, that's at part,

you know, you know, you know, it's not in your cabaret because we'll tell you to it have to be a part, you know, it's at all the other at the other, you know, to, you know, let's, let's,

if there's a guy there, and these affairs, It's vitalitarian and difficult. It's exactly. Exactly. Because of the center of army for an infant,

you know, it's... It's not... It's not far back to the game. You can't learn a little

before to be Cooleyn, no. So, so, and in the same time, I'm

and I'm and I'm and Christian, we see to save, we're been able to be able to

save? You're going to have you? Yeah, I'm trying to yeah, I'm yeah, I'm,

and there's there are There are some periods of Couped where I didn't there,

but it's to 12 14 years. Okay, I'm 12 18 years. Okay, at least,

we're on the same, we're and Christian, and we're to get to town of

a canardial and a little there, you, there's a p. t-shirt, and in

Renninning and it's the winter, you know, we're not to be there, uh, so,

and then, and, then, we had fined a moment of a day, and we foiled in the container in the

air of the PFK, to open the box and there's a chard of police that's the police up. You're just

the arrest, it's, and then they're the same, so, then he said, we're on we're on

his own, he said, yeah, yeah, I, I've seen the portrait to be soovie,

you know, yeah, he can't we're, bat, they're they're these

malade and we know, they're they're not they're not quite, he's always

he's always he's going to be there's when you're to be in the police, the police

can't get rid by to you know. You can do you do you do you

do you? Yeah, but he said, I'm I can't do you know,

they're all other who got to get to and I can't so, so,

but for me for me in my head of If he's not capable of anything for me, person, he can't do anything for

me. So, it's been to clare the debate, and he was returned there. But I'm in after a pre-rent,

he's on every return, because I fugue, because I was the first, but it's not of the first,

but I had been a two months, we've got defuncy, there, defuncy, the rullot,

the ver, alimed the fire, almost to go to air, to show to showfe,

and, hey, when you want there, you're you're trying for not to get to so I'm

so I'm so forth it's all what I'm doing to find it's at the future so

so that's it's we're making we're and it it's, it's it's

it will continue at all the weeks a every time and you you know

at a moment to do you you do you he's there's there's there's there's

there's there's there place. Okay, I'm in the cell of the day of the day of

okay. You know have a manned and I'm trying to be to turn the cooing,

you know, and I'm sure. He's certain, my God, that I go, that I will be

to be sure, that the daughter that's my bit, will be sure, of

my court, at 100 I, I'd pass it to turn to say.

And there is someone who's someone who You know, I'm Jesus, I know both, you know,

the creche, in the little creche, in the little creche, I'm not, I'm, I've not been educated in

religion and all that. So, so, but I, but I'm, Jesus, but it's not a

Jesus, the baby, it's Jesus, the chief supreme of the army celeste. Okay,

I see so, I, there, there, there, and there, there's like, of what

that's, of what, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, He's like he's like a little bit of the mountain, the people engender the caddove for

advance. It's like a... A vision apocalyptic. And he's turned to me and he said, in these moments, you're going to be with me. And then, look, he mowne, my guy, that I had never known, I was a child who's in trying to mourn of his

dulaar. This courage, he knew me envoyed. And then I got me to see my response. Now, at part of there,

when I was rebeyeed in the cell in the cell community of there, he had a

little guy that had he'd give, he'd get to the end up

that's it's decoled the response is arrived The little the little

the little pleuroror is there's there he's disappeared at that

he's not totally disappeared but you've You have to go to course of route, it's like, there's two elements

that. He's been in a corner. Exactly, he's been in the corner. And then, uh, there I'll,

there's a minute, they're going to get up in they're going to get to be and they're doing these coup of feet.

And then, I know, by the suit, that's an an an educator, an educator

an educator, an , you know, you can't be not to be able to but she's to be in

the vans, and it's a story of fool, so I'm trying to where I'm where I'm going to

get to get to you know, you know, you know, I'm going to be able to I'm back, I'm

don't know the facility? Exactly. And then, when he would be to be able to and it

and he said, you're going to motted in there's a three times he had been made to make a mowlory,

he made, in the boot of and I said, I'd be able to just a little that, to learn. You know, I had

passed a other step. I was able at this hour, you want to be back, you want to me frapping,

you're at my life has changed to be a moment that. The little guy who pleur I'm in

the coin, like you said, and I got it was a years, the years

more later. I've got to a guerier by the man. Is it a

moment, At this time, is that, is that, you know, that's the famous moment that you're talking,

is that actually the option I'm fined in my life is present, or you're too young, you have not,

you're not, I, I, I, mean, I, I'm, you know, I'm just the impression

that you're going to live, but you're, yeah, yeah, it's the , it's the

, that's the deal with, that I'm that's just that's she that's it's just that's

that's I'm going to die of that. I'll survive not to that. But when it's a

change, the motor to revere to board and I'm going to that's a old game that's

I'm back. There, I'm I'm back on a guyrii by the same that's it's a

time, you know, I'm a moment of a time, I'm go on visit, my father, come, me come

to see, my two friends of an other institution. And, I'm I'm talking to

my friend, and my friend, he said, the first of your he said, Bavle,

he said, when he was coming to come, he'd and you'd and you get to do

and you're in your shoes, and you get to get that by and so until the babbine he's

to turn to end up and I see, I'm right and I'm and do people,

make me confidence, my friend the more the other my year,

he'd say, make me confidence and it's going to like, like, it's a

minute, it's like, it's not like he me'll have said. So, after that,

when there had one, they'd have a long, I was going to be able to get on a little

then. Now, I'm, now I'm talking of other kids. No, we're not

not not the adult, we're we're doing, we're doing, sometimes, we,

we, I'm, I'm, I'll the image 12 It's the age of my Feele, so I see

I'm trying to To be able to, I'm trying to They're in Furnacek So, so I'm not, I'm Just, you know,

I'm just, you know, And it's just, you know, And so, And then, My Fugue, and the, the delis that I golly,

they're gonna petted, of chard, petted, the vows of the chaw, we're, the, you know, the little part

in the march, in a block apportament, it, it's, They lockers. It's a demi so-sue.

Yeah, the key the car of service, yeah, yeah, and the tues are there,

we're over this little door there, and we had to do it a stache there to be in there.

We had to get over, we're going to go over, we're going to get to the survival, it's not of the

criminality, it's a way, but it's it's been reconno as a criminality. No, I see,

but you you do it do it's not in a view of to do you do it survive at this moment

that. It's a point we we had to be in a chair if you're to putt a bit of

a chaste you know to get in a car so it's a bit of a fact that I've

got to have some but it's been a good thing in the fact that it

it's it's got to it at 14 I'm getting to do

get a sent to that's a a pititanzi for

an with a rullo of barbellet of Inclature, you're there,

to be disabby, flamb anew, the douch, your linds, you'll revoir even even pu, you know, I don't know

to be able to the leg, you're not the better than in prison. So, so, but, there had been

more than, I had, I had, I've had, I've had, by these , by these educators,

there by, but, you know, for me, it's not, it's not also pretty and, so violent,

also malade, also saddick, what I've , you know, I'm not going to be able to answer, you don't you respond, you're not, but you're because you've talked about to talk about it, so it pussed

to, it set you that's just that you with you? Well, it's more long. There's, there are some moments where I think that I've been able, okay?

I know that he's passed some, it's passed, that, that I, that I, that, I think, I think, I think that's, but I'm not sure

I should I was not rave The Samuil is good for block the thing that we're not but you're

a lot of it's not that you're that we're not in the agressor we'd don't know

of those aggressors we're on the people who ramsees some guys at the

and then and in exchange of the of the soin

particular there there there there the aggression sexual

that that that who'd become almost consented because at a moment a day, you...

It's a life. Like, like the vol, like all, like, all of the

thing, you're ready to do you to be to be beaten, for not, to be to be savagely

like that, you know, it's, it's, you know, that an child do you know,

that's, an question between an agression sexual or of the violence. You,

you know, you're two choice, you're, you're, you're, you'd be or so you'd be

be a bit of a few pedophil? It's a year. Some years, I'm in school in university at

Laval. You know, I've done to therapy, even 25, and I'm in row

in therapy today, I'm going to see a psychologist, but, you see, I'm still

in function of therapy, I'm still in trying to think, to be using the

utility that done you during the time. Exactly, and all all the what I've

put to see in my my life that it would permit it to advance or to recule.

So the centers of the state of that's not yeah, but in the same time,

I'm in a other universe of violence, but it's more and it and I'm going to finish

by the center, it's called the center Chaudier Appalach today, but in

that it's the center of the city, at the city. And that it's the

center the point, I'd the more coercitive that I have used, and

I've I've had a little attention, you know, the guy who'd was a guy who

was in an ancient brother, Mr. Serois, he'd he'd he'd

be able to go to him to get to get to the pool, the night,

the night, he, he, he, he, he's passed of the

things, more than other, you know, but, but when at 17 and a

minute, I'm, I'm, I'm going to see, I'm going to do I'm I said, I mean, I want to

do my life, I want to go to work, I want to I'm trying to be, and I've always dreamed of campbell, you know,

the liberty. You know, the liberty for me it's a chance, it's an, a beau, when I was when I was

when you were when you're in 12 to 17, it's a little normal that you have to be there were there,

there were some periods, there were there were, there were, there were, there had a return in the family a moment of the minute

that had not marched really. Because there nothing had changed to the other other or?

Yeah, but I mean I'm changing. Okay. I mean, I had changed, and I'm even demanded

at this moment that to my parents to be returned to the center of the horizon. And,

then, he's, at my demand, they were to be able to get to,

I'm going to get to to, for all to go, but in the case, you didn't,

not a second to be able to do make my life. I was a little pokey. The little guy that I had interred in the middle of me there was, I'm a little tough

but at the same time, the little guy that had a poor, he was there, you know, so I was, so I'm,

in the front, I'm a little happy, but, you've been a character and a carapace to be.

My carapace on the shoe was other. You know, there had been there had been

there where, justly, there had this party where I interred the little guy who had been

and there was when I had been and that you have made a bit of a way of

and we have fusioned the two characters, well, at that, the power has disappeared.

And I would say, that when the power disappear that, it's an shoolagement,

but my guy, it's like today, I'm not fear of not, I'm not,

absolutely, ried. That's a great benediction. So, so, but now,

I'm running too long, I'm a bit more long, 17 and a minute, I was,

I'd see, I'd have to be, I'd say, to say, at 17 a minute,

I'm going to do, I'm going to do with to have the vessel in a restaurant,

and, you know, the guardian me said, the intervenant that is, I said, I said,

I said, I'd say, I'd say, I'd to have been to be the police. He's been in the guard to the depge to get to be in the same.

But he'd be able, and I'll let's in the day year. You know, the time I can't get to the boat, I'm going to I'm going to

and I'm trying a break. So I'm I've found a job at Oldville to do the bestel. You're going to

see you? Well, I've got a job is an affair, but Chris, you have you done? No, no,

but I, I'd go to go home, and I'm and I'm at again, the pedophiles of time that I had,

you know, who'd , you know, it's been long, to be embarrassed to all, you know,

it's, it's, it's, and, you know, that, that's, that's,

that's, they're, there's, there's, there are, there's, and then, and in

psychology, I've , that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

it's, it's, to say, but, but, you gob, , everything

what you can't that's that's that I'm that's that's apart

the aggression for me it's a it's a fact that I'm turning to because those

other they were not you got to you were at at a

show you you were to you have to I'm there

and I had made my pardon my pardon my conge she

she had preter his and And then, but after that, you know, I've made a quote there's a question, and it's not, it's touchy, because, you know, you know,

in the other, these aggressions, but, you know, it's, you're, running there. It's still, it's still. You know, I'm asking, you, I'm asking, you, if you say, if you say, if you do, if you say, it's, dougalance for me, you, I'm not, and, you know, I'm not, and they're not, they're able to,

you know, there's been able to, you know, I said, no, no, I'm not, you know, I'm not. I'm not a homosexual, not a quarter of a minute. I'm, I'm, I'm going to, I'm. I'm, I'm going to be a woman. And I've been, and I, you know, and I've seen. I know a group of young, at Boweoport, in the region of Quebec. And there was a young girl, there's in there that in,

that's called Susie, I'm, you know, that's the mother of my first son. And Susie, it's... My first Amour has been a big a big

a big but I'm replique a bit what my did okay

we're copy I'm I'm I'm regretted you know today today

today we're my grand am we we're we're

we're on we're on on we're we're a

coffee to sometimes she she pardoned You, you did you pardoned? Yes.

Yes, I mean I've givened, but it's sure that, I've got to repeat it. You know, after that, I've got to understand. I've seen if it was not, too, so. You know, at a moment of a day, you know, you've seen that, you've got copied that, and in the same time, then, you realize that it that's not for that.

So, you know, I've seen that it, I've seen that's not, and I asked to the person in question also I got to ask you and asked you

know, and there's years later you're saying I'm in prison at a bad hour I'm sitting with this

little gang that of young to go to 19 maybe 19 maybe 19 19 years I've had

my first sentence for vola marmie I've had already made in my fugue

of the center of a queue I have made a couple of a departner with a guy of 18

18-year- a cagull, and I had to get a place, we could

be procured to the money, and I had batted the tourists in the I'm,

I've been been, you know, you know, you know, that's, you know, with the

personage and the character, and the character, and it's that, it's excuse

to reason, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, I'm, it's not, you know,

there's a lot of, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not a justification. It's an explanation of, why you're getting there, you know, why, yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's never that I'm justifying, but I'll justify, I'd, I'd say, you know, I'd say, you know, I'll say, you know, it's a, you know, it's a, you know, it's a, you know, it's a decision to firm a point and to let it in front of your, you know, but there's some, but there's some elements that amends to that, you know,

A man, a A girl, you know, I've never to tryp a kid at a cut of point, I've been

not at that but it's not that, so. First sentence for Val Amherba? Premier. First sentence for Val Marmermermer.

I was, I've been two years, I've been like 11 old up. They've they've spotted

the Modus Operandi and they they've been many years on the Well, it was also the way to have a sentence

in the pen in saying, well, you're going to give you to have to do you know, but they're going to be

the sentence in a business. You know, it's a negotiation in the phone. So, and the police do that,

they're going to say, well, we've done we've done to do it, you know, they're going to

be diminue at pressure, and, you know. You've been to go to provincial? Yeah, at this moment

that I'd didn't, I'd go to federal, I'm not that I've had a crain of federal or what that's worth of but I'm not

runned there so I'm so I've made but on two-moin one but on I've had to be just saying because you said I'm

with this gang so you start you're coming to your first blonde in the meantime you do but there's a little there's a little

there's a bit of there's a bit of you know like the what the life the debut with Susie she had tombe-incent.

Rapidly. Rapidly. Yeah. The first... 17 and a minute, 18, 18-a-year, yeah,

yeah, it's that. I'm, I'm in the last year, she's the young at 17 in the

time, and the first, and the first, she's far aborted. Okay. The second

time, we're decided in a center to be in a apartment, I'm with a man of

a chum, and, and, and, I'm, and, I mean, I mean, I'm saying, well,

that I'm going to I'm trying to, you know, I'm always the way to have a life normal, I know, I'm not to have a life criminal, and you know, you

see, you know on your campaign, and yeah, I, yeah, I'm still the possibility that I can,

to be able to be able, and be able, and be able, to be able, to be, so, so,

so I, I, I, I, you had, my, my attention, and I'm, and we said, well, we'll go, we'll go, we'll go to the apartment

and we'll have to be in an apartment. Dominique, he had to be able to, and it's it's been there, you. I'm not... I'm not... I'm not. I'm not, and I'm not fidele, no, and I'm not even, so. I've always played with the guitar and chant,

and, you know, in the foe of the kids, you, it's like, it's like, I have... I had my little ARM for to go to go to a little

to go to so shoozy he'd not know and it's normal also so that finally we're

there's and there's there's and you tombe on a sentence in plus?

I'm on a sentence of prison two and during this

year that and even I'm a charge of voice of subject

to see at the okay had part plaint yeah had

part They had a new chambre, he had a detective privy, I'm not too, and he had to have to be a plate, and it was correct. 100%, and, I mean, the, I said, the police,

you know, yeah, yeah, and I, and I, I, listen. It's, it's, it's a, it's, it's not, no,

no, no, no, it's, you know, before the court, before that, yeah, so, so, finally, I'm,

so, finally, I'm remorse, to prison of Quebec, I'm, I'm, finally, because he's, there,

there's, there, there, there, But there's an element At the prison of Quebec Okay

I'm sure I've done I've done And there's A proff of French He's there It's called

Corad Barbo And The school At least The school Carat Barbo He's deced

Today And And And he Yeah This guy that I've To be

I'm a Soe He's a Not very Very beau He has There's We're always a...

We're saying, He's arrested peace. There's always a rat man in the coin of the guise , you know, and he fumes

like three chenemines in all the ensemble, you know, and when he pays the cigarette all the time. He soch

his pocket and he me and don't, ain't, and he's just, come, don't, at the school, and I,

go, I'm going to go, to go, to go, to go, I'm going to go to the school,

you're, you're, you, the system, you, Yeah, it's true, you know, I've already

already tried, and it's not far. Yeah, but it's that, all this time, that's in general to the school there's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a chiet, you, it's, it's, it's like,

there was, there was, there was, there, so, but the cigarette, see, he,

me pay the cigarette, the guy, you, so, so, he'd, he'd call at his own,

and I'll call the cigarette on, the bureau, and I'd, you go to pass, an examiner, you know, to see, to

see, to see, okay, he said, okay, he said, he said, he made encountering in the bureau, and again, and again, always the cigarette. And, Jean, he'd say, I'd remit

in a secondary, one. I've been 20, I'm, at this moment, that, 19, 20, 10, 20, I, I'd say, you're doing, you, you're too, malad? I, I'd say,

I'd go back to turn in seconder one, but I'd, I'd, you know, no, no, no, no. I said, I read your redaction. He did, you have a talent for to write. Now, he part

in a tabbed in the door. In valorization. Yeah. This guy, that, it's been the first to me to give me the table

to get out. The good, not, not the clack, the table in the door. It's an good,

to get, just to the university in French. Listen, not, not, not during the

two years, I, did, and I, did it, during the two times. I was going to do with the second Air 5 complete. I was going to Segeep.

Then, after that, I was going to be in the University of the Penitential Security Maximum of Archambor. More later. We'll go and go. Yeah, we're still in provincial. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so. So, carad, he lach, he lach,

and, you know, he said that I'd play the guitar and all that, and I had written a tonne that's called Ante-Catt-Mur, a tune who'd talk about Susie, who

had to my and he said, he said, there's a price that's

he's he did, it's a price Raymond Boyer, and it would be

to participate to that. Tate, you know, and you get to they're going, we're going

to be to get to this organism that, back, oh, I'm going to

so, so, so, And then I received 500 Piaz A price, a price

500 And they've they've been all right The professor There was a man In relation

human at the moment That he was And then they'd They've been They're

They're You know, The guy It's a specialist Of Hey Without

Pursy You know No He'd He'd He'd He'd He'd

He'd He'd He'd He'd He'd He'd You know, so. So, so,

I just that. And, you, I, you know, I'd do this guy, I'm in the man,

the first in your coffee, yeah, exactly. So, so. So,

this, this, this, this, that, that's, that, the, you,

do you, do you, do you, do you, is, is that, do you know, is that,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she doesn't, no, she doesn't,

, not, , I don't. The time as as a young of 18-year- in a prison

provincial, you're in a bit, you're in entoured to criminal, an aggressor to see,

I'm I'm used, I'm used, I'm used, you know, you know, you're, you're not

to get to walk to his feet. No, it's sure, I'm able to be to be able to

the pretty time in, perhaps 18 and the time that I was to be

out, I, I, I, My part, what I had scared, or what I was that's been

in a battle or whatever, but I'm in a whole, but I'm doing it, because I had a front page.

But this boot, that, rendered in it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's reinforced all the time. My construction of Toff is fortified with the time. Because it's not the choice.

Yeah, you'd say, you'd be a bit a tough in the room it's an affair, but in the end, it's more tough. Because you're just going with

with the tough in the road the percentage of the amount of the population general, so that's in the population or that's just that of the tough.

You've got the choice. That's the same, pacific rebel, in the time, it's a pacific rebel at Quebec, the, the motor of the time, it's at that.

He's had to get some of their chaw, and he was he was pogned with one, and, you know, I've been just new

to butt in in all, So that's So that. So that boot The boot of the stuff was there. And when I was

out of the I said, well, I have to I'm going to have to be in life, I've been

to have been to have been my license before my first sentence, I had to pass my license for the

camions. Okay. So, so I've started to work with the camions.

I've seen a psychologist, the psychologist who had been in the in the I went to I went to

and I went to I'd have to see I'd say, I'd have to I'd say, I'd say that yeah, I'd see she'd

and I'd say, she'd say, she'd be back in prison, then we'd have up so, so the message was clear, but I'd return to it, so, so finally,

it's sure, I've been I've been in a time, I'll replant I'll replant and I'm trying, I'll re-planting, I see, my

brother the oldie, he said, he's not, he's not new some of the sentence for that,

but I'm making, you know, so I'm in in line, but what's what's, what's, you're,

you're, you're a guy that's in consumption, or not really? I'm in consumption, I've always

been, I, I, I'd, I, They were there, okay. Very much, and then, I was in the States. Okay.

And then in the case, because we don't know not part, but, you know, because it's often, I said, if you're talking, you've got to, why you, because it's a cost share, the co. Yeah, the cove, it's, it's a lot. It's, it's a fortune. I'm just, I pose a question,

because it's, it's often, it's a thing, it's always, it's a soull-pour, and we're saying, we're sule-op, and we're not, and we're not trying to, and we try to geling a bit of the affairs that we have not to be in the effort to see,

that we've been, Exactly, exactly. We're like a, like, a motor of cashier in the phone, so, finally it's that, I'm jealous, and I'm doing

I'm doing, and I've got to put in, it's been a year, I've been found for these voles of bank, and there,

I've had a sentence of five years. You know, the voled of bank, it's not the clarification, but they valid the penit,

you said, you said, my friend, they did, my, they'd pay them, they'd, they'd be,

they'd be, We had some $10,000, $30,000, $20,000. It depended. But I had started to make the bank national that were the cashier in the middle who'd give the money to the other cashier. So, she, she,

she, she, had done that a trap, and the other had, like, a security there was a lot, that you could not attain the case. I'd travel to the bottom of the counter. I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, open the part.

They'd open the part, and I'd say, don't me, and say, that, so, And then I was doing what to do to do. So I'm not trying to tell you. No, no, it's not. It's not trying to tell you, Cagull, you, he goes.

That's it. That's it. It's so. And I was out of there with the Lias, with the etiquette. And 20, 30,000. And then, there's, we're going to be a lot. And then it's been a good. A lot of time, I did finish.

At a moment, I mean, I've finished, a republic Dominican, it's a false name. I had an bettive of my chum, and the batisterer of my chum, And then the batisterre of her wife, I was with my blonde We're part of, you have not been

there's not going to be No, it's just a certificate of national, and we're doing to go and we're going in a republic Dominican.

Look, the first night, my blonde was in the room of the hotel and I, I'm going to

see, there's the dancers, you're going to be there, there, and a guy that's

Miguel, I, I pay the threat, I'm going to the phone, I'm going to, the end of the the day of the morning

morning, I'm going to have to be dejony. I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going to your name. Yeah, you're not

saying, Yass Yvonne. I'll read at the bar, I've got to be my Miguel, the calotte on the tithe

at 45 in St. It's a high graded of the army there that was the guard of the family of the president of the

republic, who was in the same hotel than we're in the same as I'm doing this I said,

I said, I said, not mended in my name, yesterday. Yeah, I'm going to there. I think the

billet you're you're to have to end up yeah, yeah, maybe

at this moment that, but, you know, in prison in the Republic Dominican, you're

more. No, I don't, I'm not. When you you're to put in how many

old-up? He me pung for five or six bank, maybe maybe more. It's been

a lot, but it's not a much, for the he was, he was he was

he ponged to Two. And then, you're doing the pattern. And then I negotiated.

I'd I'd know a couple, but I did not have I'm not I'm not a cargle, you know, it's not

a lot of that's not you know, that's a over the brownie and it's it's fonsed.

You've had a guy browned the it's like it's a it's a man,

but you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're like, I'm,

yeah, I've always a doctor, but they, they're in they're in kate, They want to know what you do,

and they would be able to know what the other do, but you'll rest in your course. No, no, that's so. I'm snitching me, me, me. Yeah, it's all. So, finally, yeah, okay, me, I'd have done the other, that's sure you're not able to be able to be

if I don't don't, and then you will be able to be able to get, and then, so, I've had a sentence of five. Because if you're giving this, because they're doing this, you know, they have some they're just, you know, they're... Yeah, yeah, I'm in a process, it's sure you're doing there. It's a lot. It's a time to make me push it for he me push for 10 years.

I said, I'll tell them the two that you'll resided it in the two, and you'll reissued your dossier. So you're going to. So you're talking to the prosecutor, and you're not. You don't know. It's not a process. It's, sure. It's already heard between the two parties.

And, you know, I'm my 5-in. But, uh, but now, I'm in my cellul, my guy, and I'm saying, What if I'm going to do. You know, I'm a little bit of always me in the same situation. It's what the pattern

that's always to get a callage at that? Your first sentence federal? My first sentence federal, I'm 202.

I'm a little bit. Because, when you said, you're out of 20, 19, 20 to have a 20? 20,

I've got to 20. Two years. Let's have a 22. 22, I was in 22, 23. And then, I'm sorry. And then, it's young.

It's young. Oh, yeah. And then, and then, I'm saying, what is it going to do? What is it that I'm doing? It's what? I mean, you know, I'm going to ask you. And I've seen it before.

You've seen it for me. And then, yeah, it's not a good humor in the telephone. I said, I said, I said, I like, I like, I guess, my gross orleans, you know, you know, I don't know the analogy,

my gross orrhy amityter, I adore that. Okay, I'll try to not have to have to be an orange in, he's got,

and then, then it's finished, but it's finished. I said, you know, what's the problem? You know, and you're auto-destructor.

Hey, that's a fess, it's a man, a plaque in the face. Ah, yeah, I'm sorry to me to me to say,

I said, You're... You're a little? No, not really. I didn't, I was... I was...

I was... I... Fere not with that in my cell, and then... And then, he said,

Autodestructor, auto-destructor. It's because if I want to me to be not. Even that I mean,

that you want to destroy someone? You know, to you taillus? And there, and then, I...

I've really to... I'm really... I'm... I... I said, I said, I said,

why I mean, why I'm in, and I saw, and the guy that I had been

in the man, and he takes, a man, he's right, he's , he's

, he went back, to the little guy, he was in Lambotcher, and it was all

living, this image that, that, it's me that, he's me, the little

guy, I, I recognize this little guy, you're in the port of the orphanina. Just this image that,

and I had followed these courses of transactional with Corat-Barbo justly, the core relations human,

it's an analysis transactional, and that's really particular, it's a great tool of psychology who says

that you have three components the parent, the the infant, and the adult, okay?

The parent is the critic, the judgment, the infant, it's the love, the sentiments, and the adult, it's the logic,

the analysis, all that. So, so I'm, I saw that it was my part, my part,

the end of that I had scrapped completely. Yeah, that's scrapped, that we, that's scraped? Yeah,

but that I've contributed also, you know, so, so, and, and,

I, I refused to let's the place to be vulnerable, vulnerable, I refused to he'd

have to be able to get to get to be too pocked, too amache and I'mache, and I'm able to

receive anything with him. It's for that I've made a construction of a toft by the

stuff. You can get to the psychopacy, when we talk to that, you're

in psychology, the people, those other they've they've been that, it's finished,

it's finished, it's terminated. It's just the construction that I mean, we're in something of a danger.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, finally, I, there's there, I, I, I, I mean, there, I had to be taken so much to my own and then, and then, it's

a pain of this little guy, and when I'm in my cellul, and it, it's, it's, it's soot in face, the,

the charge of the arm that there, it's impover, my guy, it's a barry of 45 gallon,

the the infant who was the little pleurer that's he had continued to pleurre in the end of

he's in and he's in trying to he's in trying to leave to leave the place and let's get to the

arm to get to get to get but I'm in my cellul and rationally when I think of that

I'm I'm sorry I can't I can't get to my cellul the man but everyone

me know he's like as it's like being a tough I It's very strong, you know. So, at this moment,

I do with me and I choose to take a point of this part of my own, to see to the chaser of the arm in cachette,

and to reveit my placage when I was out to start the guy who had the guy who all the time, I was,

everybody tripe with me, all the world me ma'am to, there's been there's something. So,

so, and then, when I was when I was to arrive at to open for my five years. I've been at 5 years. I've been at maximum. They've been

classed maximum because when I passed the tests written at reception, the French, it's a cauch, you know,

it's a carate barbo, you understand? All this that Corrad Barbo me had made to

learn, it was out in my tests. And they said, you could, you could

go to be to a medium, but you suggest I'd like to go to maximum Marchampo because there's a program

university and you can go to with what you're like that's like that's like I'm so I'm

going to be in maximum so when I'm at my cellul I've got to the little house in

the prairie and I'm I'm saying my god every every time it's a minute

a minute you know you put a a little paper in my vit the part

of the part of mine and then I bro, I think I'm vied, me, my vied, me vied, like it's not.

And, and then recognizing that the personality that I had construed, it was a protector and that the two had to have

a, the two would have to find, I found, I think, I'd have to the equilibrium between the two.

Bruce Wayne, Batman. Yeah. No, I, you know, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm, there's, yeah, yeah, You have the guerrier, you know. And, and more, I'd have left

some june, and let's get in into the world, you know, in trying to find finally, what's the, that's what,

I had done to do, I've done, so I've been so, I've created a therapy with an pneumonia of the pen. When I was

talking to therapy, you're mad, you're of a max, there, there's not a therapy, there, we're not no contact

with the guardians. The guardians are in Cages They're always separated by a part of the little wing Yeah,

but not only that is that, in having not contact with something there's not security for the person who will

come to give to be a therapy if he runs a therapist of the exterior who will

be the guardians he's risk even not to enter in the population carteral.

It's the port open at the the prison of tage, you know? Yeah, yeah. So, finally, you know, the force

to be to be forced, and I'm , look, it's an E. It was the president of Chapit of

Shorbrook, who was president of the committee of detenue. And I had a good contact with him,

because he had been he said, well, there a gentleman, a day, she'd be a day,

like, like, you know, you'd, you'd do you, you'd you'd like

the guitar? You know, I've enjoyed the music. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, there's a problem. So, the lady went to be

and I'm trying to and I'm going to see, it's, it's a lot of service. And then after, I'm invited, but after,

that's a, so that's not reliant the maximum, because if there's not a person, there's a

attention, the maximum a committee community of the community, community of the people,

that, that, that the detenue, it's a okay, it's a a big plus, okay?

And accept also that there's a guardian, it would have that the guardians accept that there's a guardian who come in

without a protection in a place with the detenue, okay, and with a person of the exterior, you

it could be dangerous for the prison of because I went to there, there were there no guy

of the Maxx who were there, it was all the minimum who were in in a gymnas

because the Max he's They're not not for the show, you know. But, well, yeah, but, at least, to visit, the visit

community, when we had a visit in gymnas with the family, we had, but it's us who organized, and he

had been a, he'd enter an , a, he'd enter in, they'd be engaged, so, so the committee

of the other, they're not so, they'd be able to , so, they'd be, no, I, you know,

I'd be, and, you, he'd, you'd, they'd, you'd, Well, you know, do you know, if it's a lot, it's a pass, it's a pass.

Finally, it's a pass, the guardian, we've done, a therapist, of the exterior, the girl, is a new girl who drive her. Diane Borgia, listen, an woman, she really had a good time

with her. I've worked for her after in sorting of the pen. So, I've tried as agent of prevention toxicomani in their school for her.

She? She said, she'd say, she'd say, but she'd be in her to me to have, she said, I have to what you're doing. So, I went to have, and I've been worked for her, but I've been to

even after you re-plante, because, you know, just I just say, because I think it's really, I've got a lot, actually, and I think, and, you know, you know, how I can't, say that, you know, not, but not, I'd say, I'd say, I'd be chancer, no, because, Christ,

you've had all to have what you've ever, but in the sense, that I've, you've, a certain chance to to cross certain good person to find out a question where you know,

where's the you know, who's in prison, they're telling there's a there's not, you know, and you're not and you know,

you know, you're doing to get to get, we're going to get to get to get to make sure because you're going to be

because you know, in this mess with that you know, you've had had been there's been there's been

that there there's been that they're not used, or maybe they're not seen or they've been or who they've got

not pricked, it's a other story, but, you know, and at the homonyy

who were at an student in the moment in psychology, Pierre-Reyron. Listen, it's a, this guy,

that has sacrificed a lot to make me to help me really, we've had the therapy. He,

he made to start to go to go to to go to at his family, okay,

with his family, with his children, it's something, I've made to sort

to the max, for that, okay, he has pretty these risks, and when I'm sure,

you know, yeah, yeah, he had pretty risks, you know, you know, to,

you know, to, it's, it's, okay, and the people who will consent

to aim their their prochin, he has a pay to the time, okay,

but, there's it's worth the pain to pay the price. But, but he,

in the he, but he he's not seen, or I don't because in a certain

moment when I'm out of the minute, I'm going to get to get to get to

get to I'm an arachate there, I was someone that was someone who had a

that it made a thing irrespectue if you know, it's not that I

didn't but, you know, I was coming to he was trying to prepare to supip

that his a woman, a bottle of wine, you know, I'm a rowmancy, I arrive, you know, and I'm going to dump my trips at the table, me, the night, you know, it's like, it's a derangement.

It's lor, you know, it's hard, you know, and I, and I, you know, I'm always, you're coming like to, and... But you've always opened the door? But, you know, at a moment a day, he's been

fatigued at a moment of a moment a day, because he's passed other things after, after an other sentence, Three-time sentence. We'll go ahead. We'll be too quick.

But there's a question that I've asked also, because, you know, when you were young, you've had a famous man on the shoulder and all that you had said,

and after that you've had been in your cellul between these two things that, is that, is that you're kind of a guy

spiritual? Because, you know, you, you know, you've said, to say, Christ, God, there, I'm

there, but is you something that that had to that had to guarded or? Yeah, yeah,

I, I, I was going to believe in God. I've always crue in the I'm not at the chapel. Well, I went to

go to do no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, and I'm not,

and I'm not, and I'm not, you're not, not, not, no, in a matter, but in a whole way,

I'm not a religion, I'm not a religion, but in the religion, in the case, I'll talk,

I'm probably, but you're, it's a term that we're often, and then you're to me talk, to me,

that there and you you know, it's like, when we're to get to know what, it's a word of

it's a word I'm going to because we're going to ask you know, we're not not quite, it's a question, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's-o-o-o- -o-n-a-a- oh-m-a-o-a-o-

mone-e it. It's not it's not the same. So, we're all we're talking

on the after we're when this five-old so, so there, There's a therapy, it's a function, 5-year-in-day, in-d-d-down, you know, on the time-d-you-court,

the guy, they go, they're going to do with a bagasse, a guy, a guy, a guy, passed the night to do you have a cout in the toilet, and, look, it's, you know, the guardian, he passes at all the hours, the guy, he emmy, he emmy, the paper, toilet, all the door to his port-de-seek-plus, imbibed, not that it's not to sound. For the shtick-fri-fermented. And at each time, she'll count, they demange, all the stuff,

So, look, the element, for to have showfe, on the affair, it's two little cutoff at bar, with an efface on to the two, and there's a field connected to check

it's a bit, I mean, to put that in the press, in a prude-of-chard, just on chadier, the broumote, it's down in the toilet, and they're in,

that got, it's not good, but it's a job. Yeah, and it's dangerous to be coming around, I'm sure, I've been able to

a few times. So, so, but I'm, but I feel the part of the time, but I'm out of the he's concerned and he's

he's studying in psychology at the moment where he's where he's he's at he's at a time, he's doing a

matrize in psychology in this moment he's he's done a psychologist he's he's a

he's he made a he's a and when he and when you start after five after five

when I'm after five years twenty seven twenty seven twenty seven let's about I imagine

I'm going to do with my calculus Yeah, at a pretty. So, like, I'm going to go to work, and I'm going to be the therapist. I'm in a I'm in a house.

I just, your guy, there's got to do do you, do you, do you know, never? She'll have said, she'll turn in a

end of, it's finished. So, that I've got new to do you. So, so, like,

the therapist, I'm going to I'm in a house of therapy, okay, in a a house of transition.

And I'd go to see, well, you know, and then I would have been to see, and you'd

be a job for me. She'd get a with a criminalist and she'd do, she would do, you'd

do, you'd do, you would have to tell your time, but she'd have to be

to be able to do it to do to do you to do the post of police, yeah,

yeah, so, so it'd had I'd had I'd to post of police of the police at the back. It must be tentate

for a guy who came to get to get to get to get a time. It's not well,

but you're to turn to your degree in a post of police yeah, yeah, yeah,

it's sure, absolutely he me he'd amen, but it's so finally, I'm doing,

I'm doing, yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect, listen, his time his own,

he's clear, he incite not, to, uh, the, you, the,

the, you, the, and all, you know, it's like, he's like, he and he's part with my car. So,

so I've metonted five million in the school. That's, it's been a moment, a moment

to touch and, I'm coming, I was in, clavats, veston, with a criminologist, and then, we'd

talked of the line emotional, we'd have a graphic on table, we were, we were,

there were, there's a people, there's a time, I'd be like the car, gravate,

I'd open my veston. my coat on the bureau and said there, you know, you're going to

you're going to you're going to and I'm going to go and I'm going to get and what I'm going to be

a minute, and I started to hear of my view and to give my time, the young

and it's made ramace but but it's very, very positive this period

but at a moment of a certain there's a day in a journal

Jean Cimar the intervenant who can say something the conference of press in the hall of hotel

and all of hotel so it's it's finished that the cup of wine that had been

I've been I've had to I've had been my job at Caffate it's

called the Caffate the center of family of the Colle Cochiciccom that

is made by Diane Borgera yeah a merveue Mirvee Zianne

Borger So, so, so I So, so I'm gonna a ver, then I'm chapped again again, finally,

it's, the last will have been armie. I'm, you know, I'm saying, I'm, yeah,

I'm, but, you know, so, you know, a fact, you, see, a,

then the last there, and the one of, yeah, yeah, you know, it's not, you know,

you're not, you've not, you've been, there, you've been, there, patte the face there and you call it a not sure, you know, there's

a matter of, and then they made out because she'll see well that it's... It's not much it, you know, your own your own discos

and your train of life. It's more coherent. So, finally it's so. She let out, I've finished my therapy at a

house of transition. And then I was with my family, because I'm married to the Pinesance Security Maximum. Okay.

I'm married with the superbe France. That's had known before? Before. Okay.

Okay. Okay. In the five, when I was in the public? Yeah, it's a

perfect. Yeah, it's she was in a republic of, she. She, she, she, she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she,

she, she, she, she said, she, she said, she, she had been

to be, me to be all the time, O'clock, she had been, and, it's, and,

it's, and, she had been, Married, there's with, you know, and there's a couple of, you know, there's a guy who

are dead, I'm sorry, I'm talking about, the bling, that's the rugs, Rock Forest, also the two policiers,

the two posers of tapies had to get to get to get to be if it's something, not if it's

got to the police, it was to he was over and his and his partner, and there,

the guys, he hesitated to open the door, when I'm when they were the door, they were

they're sent, they were the tapy, there had nothing to have there's a nothing to have a badver

policeier, but in the same time. One another. Yeah, yeah, it's a

fact, so, Steve, it had a monot to have a panoply of the world criminal,

like that can't not, my grand son, Michel Pitt, that I see again

today, Michelle, it's, it's an friend pretty new all the maximum,

we've been on maximum, we've been colled one on the other. In the

moment of of their there's a issue, there's a past able to be able to see, you know,

you know, you know, you talk about on the guy who know what they're doing, because there's sometimes, you know,

to talk or to connect with the people who they're not that's not too, it's not too, you

absolutely, it's just the link that's because it's these liens of suffering, it's, these lines of

many of, it's creating the line in the diversity, it's satis some it's actually,

exactly, it's practically of the chain. It's a very good term. Yeah, yeah, and I was I went to go to the year past, one of these parties

that's a party annual, with Claude Poirier, there's, Richard Clement, the that's that he's written, a tour of gagged,

there was a a packet of people of, the middle, to, the ex of the milieu, so you,

so you're married with France, there, there's a job there, you're retom, It's a booed, this, this, that. It's so, France, we've had

an infant on the same. Nathaniel, who is my son, today, that I'm that I'm

so much, it's, it's, it's, he's, he made to have a little female,

professor of art martial, it's a, it's a, it's a little guy solid, and he,

he's, he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

he, he, he, you've been, you, you've, you've, you,

Before, this five years? Uh, you know, after. Okay. After the five years. So, your first, your, your first federal, he's not there, he's not married,

you know France, before, you'd marry with France in this pen, that, and you're, then, and then,

and then he's, here, he's there, reprantimey. Perfect. So, so, your grand papa,

today, uh, grand papa, Dehmy, his little bit, thanks, yeah, yeah,

yeah, and, And then it's so damn Fierre to him He's been Arrache also He's been

He's overmonte And he's He said He said he's made He made a A M. Okay A good fighter

And a sinturnoire You know, it's Like, it's kind In white The jeans So you're transmitting a A bit Yeah,

Yeah, Yeah, At this level that I think Yeah, I It's a It's a fighter

So, So, a fighter legit. It's a fighter legit, yeah. So, so, so, Nathaniel, and then, there's a total of period after that, where I've been, well, you're retombed in consumption. And then I'm out of all, all the sides.

I'm going to run, I'm going to domenage at Quebec. At that, I'm in Montreal. At that, I'd remanage to Quebec, and then, finally, for an arrival to, I think I think I'm going to do with someone another, I've never named. Perfect.

So I never never no more. We'll have to do the roll. That's what who will... Yeah. Who will be in

up? That I'm I'm a valise of dynamite. Foubotton, you know, there's fuzzier, the fire, there's the feet,

and there's in battery, the light, command at distance, and... Pose bomb, finally. Pose bomb, but I'm going to have a... But I'm a 45 that I'm loaded in.

A col, 45, you know. So, and I... Then I, and I go through my rendezvous, a capoe, a pair of gris, these lunettes. Look, the police, we're saying, after, you, there were, there, if we were to chappel,

we'd never, there. So, and... And the garrant... The garrant, she's got in, and it's correct, it's really correct, you know, she's been brilliant, it's solid, the gerent of the bank. I was going to go ahead and the garage,

I said, no, we'll put it to all right. We don't know, we'll end up until, I've been, I'm trying to get the 45, I've made my culott, and I went to get, we're all right at all right, and we're all over the coff, we're completely. And, yeah, she had me

had had on a subterfuge but there I was like in a ball a guy

of experience like I'm a guy of having to be there's a man had been quite to have

to have to have to have to have she she's she's she left

out of the and let's that they're that had done it call the call it's

done it and I had a scanner in his ear but I had I had turned

in the vout and I had crasied the staccarder and I've had perished the three

quarter policeier, Schauingan, Grand-Mair at Three Riviers and then finally, I didn't

understand, and they were on the bank and they were there again and it's like in the bank that,

it's something so, they've been in the bank and they've been to remorse to the prison to three

river, and then, at the moment that, you can't you can't find to make sense

to have to give up to don't know no, you're just that's just that's just that and I'm at

time to get 15 years I'm saying I'm getting a recidiv and then you can't even Chris

false bomb and we we're in the place we're in and the guy he's charged he's low at the block

there's like so you know finally I think that finally I'm going to be abadig. Of the prison of Trojanian? No,

of the Palais of Justice. Okay. So, like, I'm making a key to my note. And I,

I'll calculate my affair. At every time I go to the city, to compare, to pass, I calculate

all, I check all. He's park at the closure with an auto bus, on an bus,

the, the transport. Yeah, we're chained, menoted, there, so, is that I defame my menot

in the forgo the plan is that I defame my menot in the forgoon I'm going to find a stiloe in a charcoal that's like a form of the head

it's like a head of the knot that's a square that you enter in the charcoal in the trough so you rent

a stilow you let's show and you fom you turn you go and you go and you go through your charcoal

so the plan is that I'm that I'm detache I'm detach I'm trying to be The charcoal is what you're in

The charcoal, it's what you're on Plancher Yeah, No, the Charcoals, is the chines on the foot. Okay, okay, I think it's...

It's a... It's a... It's a... Okay, So, the plan, is that... I'm de chained in the furgon,

I feel like to be still to be on the door of the port, there's a guardian that's on the door of the port, he's, I'm

on, I'm... I'm on... ...s up to the auto bus, I'm up to... I'm up to the stilatleture, and there's a chaw... I've plannedified that.

And then, and then I'm in my cellul the day the day of my sentence, and it's the day that I chose for me... Okay, you're sentenced,

you, you know. Yeah, I, I've passed several times, I've gone to my scenario, and there, the day of my sentence,

I was sitting in, I'm sitting in my cellul, and I'm cliqued in my note in hand, and I repense at all the steps and all,

And then I said, it will finish, it's all right? It will finish with a call on a case of the police. It's going to have to have a business. It's going to end in an exchange of a coup of

in a bank? Yeah, it's going to finish where, where's it that I'm going to and then, I'm going to

back, and for the first time in my life. And that, that, it's sonn a clock,

because your podcast on often that's often to that. For the first time in my life, I'm seen as an agressor. I had

always been the victim that responded to the system. And for the first time, I've seen, the damage that I had caused. There, it was remounted in the face. It's all suzied, the trouble that I had given,

the trouble that I had done to my conjoin't, my children, my family, my sister, the other... The employees? The employees? The employees? The employees? The Kaysayers of a bank

who I pointed these guns in the face. They've they've been all revenued, all the gang.

And then I said, wow, there, it's a , it's a end up to all that.

And then I'm still to turn to God. I'm at my door, God,

it was at my door. I'm I'm just too too time, but

yeah, but I did, God, I said, I said, if I'm if I'm in prison

today, And if I have 15-year-old this time, I'm going to and I'm going to and I'm going to and I'm sorry, because I'm at

to understand that I'm sure, that I'm at that it's not, it had not a rapport with my influence or what that's not.

No, no, it's so, I had agie, I had mal agie, and I'd payed for my

bad actions. There are who are going to pass by the same place than you, and they're not in prison

for a vol of bank, yeah, yeah, and then then, and finally, Well, you know, you know,

if you're going to see what, in this cellul, I've been traversed, it's like if God had pardoned, and before

even to have my sentence of prison, I was sent pardoned, I was, you know, I'm like heard,

and I, a voice to say, in the day, I'm in there, and there's never

person who will be a man on you. It's like, I'm, I'm floured by this, this

parole that and I my life my life had to change there,

now it starts, there's a change solid, there, we were in some that's

it's not any of the actions, you know, we're changing our actions, but change our

actions, it's, it's, it's, it's a, , it's a matter of

our action, that's a new story, okay? So, that's

the motor that's to change. And when I'm when I'm when I'm open,

and just just like to do not do I'm not doing I'm going to work on the pen, he's the president of the committee of detenue Open at Coandsville

where's he's Frank Cotronnier and in rent in the pen I'm two boad of guard who just me to get to my cellule

two detenue tattooed and two two two, two two, two, two, two, you know,

I'm escorts to come to to come to come to be to be able to be able to be able to

Oh, uh, uh, Penitentiary at Co-Hansville? Okay, okay, but, wait, okay, but, you're supposed to, you're up to Fordy, there's, you're up to forwarding,

you, you're supposed to evade? Yeah, finally, you know, I've, my sentence, I'm a sentence,

you know, you, you just skip the end of the sentence, we're just, all the time, we're just in prison,

oh, wow, Chris, there, skip, no, no, no, so,

excuse, I've had, you've been eight times, the sentence, Okay. And I practically said, thanks to the judge.

And, you know, there's like, there was just something that had to change in my, you know, so he had

not had been an evasion, he had been to get a client, I had had to canceling. I'm, I suspect that

had canceled your chowd to get, okay, if he's not there. So, so,

I had all all right all right, and then, I'm afraid really, to assume, uh,

and it's the sentence the last the last time the last time that I've It's it's

funny, because when I when I'm to get to know, there's there's a

man of people who get to get to the committee the people the people yeah,

there's a yeah, there's a and they're there, and they're in my in my

cellos two big sack of on on my lit. I've done you're

getting service at I the cell at the time that's a guy he's a guy

he's a guy intex, and he he was he was I've seen on the list of the guys that arrived, and he made a committee of accue.

And I was invited at the can't the can't the one of the boasts and all right. There's just a pass a roomba, right, right? The guy who

who wants to change he goes right? You know, there's like a contrast that's made, but it's not long time.

It's a moment of a moment of a day, we're in cellul double at the beginning, I was in cellar, it was a woman who's with me

and he said, hey, Jean, he's a little meeting just in the detain and so and I'm

there, he's a meeting a-ah he's show in the errand a little particular, you know. Yeah,

it's not more better than you say, yeah, he's not then I'm pete the face when I

get to when I'm at time. Yeah, but in the same time. So,

finally, you're at the boot of three four-foy who said, because there's a meeting

in place, a meeting where's the people of the rest of the rest of the people, the people,

the detenues go out, but there, there was a meeting just of the detenue. So, so I'm

there, after three times he said, I'm going to go to be going to be going to be there, so

I'm going to so I'm going to two. Asi of the time, we see, we're going to

he said, no, he said, Maybe. Maybe he will be in an hour one. They're going to

be in a ceremony complete, the steps, the traditions. Then I I understand their

serious to them. And I said, serious, me too. It's the things that you know,

you know, the time, you know, the time, you know, you've done, you know, you've got to

have been , you know, and I absolutely, and I recognize this system, that, and I say, yeah, that's the time,

that's all, and I'm going to see, and, I was going to do. I had commenced to do things for him. He'd be able to get into money. Yeah, he'd decedive,

today, he was already. So, so, it's so. I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, me'd say, I'd have 50 taboo. Yeah. I said, guard there. But I said, but I'd,

but I'd end up. He'd be terminated. I'd say, we've always started to do meeting. And he said, you know, no problem. He'd say, cross the part of the

with that. So, I return to my cellul, he me have paid my 50 tabo after,

you know, they've done the same. They've done the same. And I started to do that,

and then we had been to two years, and me, and the guardian, hey, that's

something, yeah, the guardian that would be just there there, there was just there,

there was just there, there was there always a little a little smile. I'd have always I'd have been a little

little laugh at a corner he'd open the door the local I'd form my part in the room to be

a little no no no no a little a little smile they'd have been

cool but he's but you there was like there there'd not I'm not I'm not

so I'm so I'm so after two years in a case I'm called I'm called

I'm this sentence this sentence that's exemplar at all the level. I'd

go to the college, you know, if you're implicated at the chapel, I'm because at

you're not quite a point out of you're not no, no, it's so that's so but they're

probably view the changement also, because, in the there's a time of a

time of the time that I say, hey, you'd have opened the door to the if you'd

open up, if you would be able, who'd if you're up, oh, let's see

you're in trying to play a game. So, finally, it's that, at the end of my

gestal of my gestal me called in the job, I said, you know, you're doing,

I said, I'm not, I'm not my, not the affairs that you're not the thing,

I'm not I'm going to make time to get a minimum, minimum, it's a eight,

I'm attending to have five before to start, before to start in transition. Yeah,

yeah, it's so, to be to think, to get to start. It's so. We'll have to try to start to

give my document to get to get to be she's not she's not she's the director so she

she's the thing she she said we've seen really that you're changing and we

we've got that you see that you're studying so in redaction French it's extremely

strong and there a gram B that's called Central Alpha

who is a center of alphabetization. She said, you could go there to help the people to help to read.

It's sure that I would go to not really. Not really. But finally, Simona who had been

got to a liberation special to go to a program to to go to

do the alphabetization to center alpha gram B. There, I've had contact with my first blonde

that I got out I've got after my short of my return. France had disappeared

in there in the bar? France she had disappeared when I when I was when I

reshuted, when I when we were when we were at a Montreal, I had started to get a

shot, total, and she, she had had demanager at Quebec with the Preet.

She had had parted with the Preet, protect the little, you know, you know,

you know, and during this two years of, two in a minute, that's the thing, that's you know, you contact with her,

with Nathaniel? Natal. Nathaniel? Nathaniel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get contacted,

she'd come to see a visit. Okay, perfect. And at a moment of a moment of my friend

came with my son during the visit community of three years, in the roulette. Your first

Nathanian. Okay, excuse me. We said, Nathaniel, and then you said, my brother, with my son, I'm like,

Dominic, I have not to contact and again. Dominic, excuse me, I've got to have been to contact on the moment.

No, but I'm forced for an to have a pain of the newvel, but you, you know,

I said in that's she had been not newfound to her, but she'd have been probably,

you'd have been probably, you'd Yeah, but he'll say, nothing to do, when you, you'll have to have to have, I can't even, I can't be able to reign.

You're not going, that's all. That's all, so, so, so, Nataniel, he'd come to me see, in me to see,

in Rolot. So, so, he'd let's, that, to go, that, at Grame B, all, and I, and I'm,

in liberation, in, well, I'm, in liberation, continental, I, I, I've never, I've never,

I've never, I'm trying to in the time, since, because I, because I'm, You were to get to come in France and in the internet because you'd have to have a new blonde. Yeah, Carol, excuse me.

Yeah, I'd be. I'd be happy. I'd remand the world to place, I see. I'd be happy. And she'd have, like, a little bug because it was, his father, he had to beignantial to Coonsville. He had worked all his life to visit. It's a guardian. So, Carole, her, she'd frequenting a man who's detained.

He had 10 years in the case. You know, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, it's a five-year-old. where she was a professor. It's an ensignant. Okay. So, we're seeing there, and we've had had to get to

get to get to be at a certain. Finally, we had a house and it was a a beau, a booboot of my life. Were you in a campbell to that?

I had two of the chvots. So, you've got to have to attend? Yeah. This little rive that at 18 to have you,

you had to get, exactly. There was someone who I was going to be a moment of the end, you know, and you do you want to do something, they'll approach you to what you want. And do you want to be a piloted of an airport, and if you want to have these battles,

taint you in the marina. If you want to have some of the chow, he'll have got to be of the monde of chow. So when I'm out of this sentence, and I've got to come back, I'd go that he leved these chvots. And he's in trying to runny a jument in a ring. She had had a vogue on the sole on the door.

And I said, do you want to to move to I'm on to he said, there's person who got to get to have been

experience with the chowel Yeah, I had made so, I'm doing the out of my sort of

and I had an experience of education. So, so, yeah, you do you

go, go, let's see, but it's at your risk, there, you know, the chelf

have made with the gym, a little, and I, and I, I'm used to get to

on on on He said, hey, I say, I did, I do you do, it's not to come to me to aid? So, you know, what I mean, what the guy had said, it's the very, right. But it's, you know, I'm saying.

So I'm going to help a good bit of time. And at a moment of the day, when I'm going to buy, we're going to buy, a house, and I got to buy them to grabby. And I got to get the chowl of him. I didn't have to buy. You don't get your life, legally, it's not.

I'm going to shop. in this time, I live some of the cartier of bough at the pole. So I'm

with 60, 65 cartier in my truck the morning, I'm I'm gonna see that,

the amanchure, there, chia at a time with a cartier on, a cartier, with a

boucher, he said, you just just, you've been to have to have to have to

two hundred twenty-five live on, no, no, that's so, you want, the march

with, and, So it's It's a job I was working for a company of a company of

a vehicle and I was a trucker and liverer so so that's we've got an

house, we've been we've been five in a carol was a superbe

a firm a a firm super fine but at the end I've

made a burnout I I'm even to go my agent of liberation, I said,

I said, I said, I'm running in the in the room. He said, he missed his chair in the room. Chris, you know, we've made start out of the

you're going to come to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Five years. Five years. Five and whatever, whatever.

Yeah, he said, he said, you my guy who go the more to go and he said, you can't be a, you go, you go,

and he said, I'll run to in the end up in there. I'm really, I'm really, I'm going to, I'm,

of faeit, I had a truck, we had two, two trucks that did, you know, the transport of animals in the west

of the Ontario at Guelph, at the abatto we're going to ported 40 beaux in a trail hour,

so that's my part cowboy, again, you know, chari of the beaux, so,

so, so that's that there's a default, to those have to be a truss, the chari.

Yeah, it's so. So, I've been... Now, I've had done, it's a lot of a moment. It's a moment of a day,

you know, you've got to have not garred in your and it, and it all becomes too gross.

And your cup is already chrismar- in a man to be- back. I've made to pay-it

with my company, and at the moment there, their fayette, they've been proposed,

you want to to guard the mansion or no, I've got to And then I've been separated with Carol. So, so it's been a pain for her. And me also, it's been a rupture, a...

A rupture, a... A rupture, like, I've not been in the past, for example. It's not been... It's not just a rupture. I'm not sure. I'm phew, and... And then, like, five years later,

I'm running to a Quebec. But, you know, before, you're... Because at this moment that, you know, I'm going to and I know your past it's a minute that you've been on parable, that's a moment

where, like that, you could, you could, see, the alcohol, the pudd, the criminality, you're there,

you know, and even, you're fragile, you know, I'm a little criminal that's around to me, and that's, because we,

you know, the circle, you know, the circle, yeah, yeah, it's so, and it's a little bit of the interior.

But at this moment, I was demenangery, I went to go to my sister in the corner of Joliette. I've got a little an apartment. I had no charge, I had no nothing. It was a skidoo. So it's all the winter, I was going to voyage in skidoo. I had my little condo

on the border of the river. And then, then, I, I mean, I said, I, I have

I continue. It's to advance. If I have to do you have to do my life. Not all

not so. I'm not not too back to do. Exactly. There was there there's

there. And there, you know, I was, you know, I was charging at the val and I'm

and I'm don't pay at St. Augustine at Quebec at at H.I. M.

And at the every every time I came to say, Quebec. I'm a guy

of Quebec. I'm an inue, don't know, to Quebec. And at a moment of the time, one of my chum in Quebec, you know,

come in in the Quebec. It's not a long time, I had made to have been to be in Quebec,

come to stay to come and he will be able to take a chair for a year to see, the genre

that, a solid, a real, that's not a guy criminal, but not patote,

that's a that's a great chum, it's my grand chum and I'm still, I've been a charr

a year, you know, and he The preter-in-chor, a nant, they repaired, my head, the gas in there. And when I wanted to give you don't know, I'd have to come to work,

I'd have to be, no, no, no, no, I'll send your own and then you're you're going to be correct. But, you know, a very good guy, you know, Tis. So, he was out there.

Hello, TIG. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, it's a, it's a hot. So, so, so, and then, and then, he had, he was, it's a traitor.

There was a service of traitors. A service of traitors. And, I went there, I'd play the music in the, in the front, in a piece that he was at and he'd let's her do with my and say,

I'm going to, I'm going to, and I see a lady, she had a net on the head in the club of the jogging, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, and it's, you know, it's, who, it's,

I'm not to be in couple. Ah, yeah, okay. So, finally, but she also, she'll have remarked, you know, and at a moment of a minute, a little bit more, he's been to have been to her own, and then,

it's been married, so, she, she, she, the, she, the, the, the family, you, it's like, it's like,

Martin. Yeah. She had been a lot of, she'd be all the good mood. Hey, lo, I'm not,

I'll try for you. And go. So, a good woman who's that's that's

that's in my life, that I have a structure she, she's structured

her that, it's like the church that's part of an church,

you know, a two, a 22,000 the church that pertinent to

their groupment of the church, you know, she, she,

she, She's a cof, so she'll administrate our affairs, and, you, she, she, she, she, it's not always been easy, but at the same time, it's, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she'll have so much, I love, too, too. For seven times. And, she, when I met her, she had a little girl

of four-year-old, Amylie, and, and, and, she, she, she, she, she, had her son, she, she, she, had her, He had his father, and he'd be able to have his own time. And when he had been to suicidate. And he had the Noelle, she went to come down the chants. She had me demanded to let's adopt. To have adopted.

She'll have, she said, how you want to you call it? She said, Amelisimaud, Bluin. My name, and the name of her father. So, today, I'm a journalist at Radio Canada. She's a She was two years

At TVA as a journalist on news she's my my my

my friend I'm and she reciproc she she she she's

she's she she said amel you do you say she'll

say she's your name and that she's she's she

she's not that she's not you're a supo We'll have they They're doing well, she

She said, she said, no, she can't say, she'll say, she's, my father,

and I'm, and she's, these, these very great great recompense today. Nathaniel,

who will be well, Emily, who will be, well, also, it's an,

for me, and, the fact that I'm have been a homonier. That's, it's like a non-sense. Partier of a

vallor of bank and to be a monion, when I met you know, the gang of the church that they've

made an omone there, there's all I've all right, I've done, they've made all of

bank, they know, I've done, I'm going to talk to people. Before to you're

asking the question that I want to be to put to what a homeony, and you know, you're

I'm very in the emotion in talking to let's but I'm able to recuperate but I I'm able to talk about

Dominique if you if you if you yeah Dominic who is your who is your

first that's that you're not really revue it's because I mean yeah yeah

I'm saying I'm saying I'm that you you've talked that you're you've been a subject

Susie yeah the yeah the yeah the yeah You have, I'm, it's, you know, it's said,

you know, we've said, we're a lot of, we're doing, we're doing we're in we're in together, we're,

we, we, I mean, with this woman, really far, it's a line of parents

that's, I'm, I'm, profoundly, and you have been long time in the

we've been in the time, exactly, exactly, there had been there's been a lot, it's passed

a lot of things, and, And, listen, when Dominique is dead, I mean, it's been a coup of grave. I had a couple of graved.

I had six trucks that were the U.S. and the West Canadian. Listen, I'm a... A combatant in all, you know, when I lost the crime,

me, I'm sloughed in business, I, I'd, I'd, I'd fonse. You, there was an age when you'd took a kind of

contact with him? Because, now, you talk of his but you had you reprieed some of the contact? What I was

I had reprieed after your last sentence? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we,

we were, we had to always, he was all the time, all the time at the room bow, you

like, some, you know, the pattern of his own, of his own, of his pattern of it's clean,

but the majority of the time he consummere, he consumed, he consumed, I'm, it's,

you're to end up the that I said, he'd come to to work, he'd have to

have a little mechanic with my mechanics with my mechanics and and all that. And I had accepted, I had accepted

as he was, I'd say, I'd say, to the change at the end. You know, you know, you see,

what, if you see, if you're going to change for you, you'll not change with the other,

you know, you're the the best, the best, you're the It's sure that he's an impuissance. I can't even not imagine. A pair who, you know,

you know, what he's he goes, you know, where's he's in going, and you're impucile, when he's not going to make a decision to do, you know, exactly. So, like, you know, he came to have to have a day

in a garage, and, I'd give him 100, $200,000, 150, you, and I, he'd be able to be the day of, he'd be there not the landmine,

full talent. Look, the little guy that had had some, at least, you, you know, the money that you He said what he would do with, at least he would have not

to pay people, and he would not be in the because there were like a crime for... Sometimes we say, you know, I'm saying, you know, I think, Chris, I'd say what you're doing the money, I know what you're doing, but at least you're not going to batte a little, a little, in a certain, in a guicheet, for, you...

Yeah, and he wasn't... He was not, he... No, but you know, you see, where's what the consul could have to be in there. Yeah, absolutely, but he... Yeah, but he was not, you know, I've been violent, you, you're in, but, you know, he was a vileur, you,

but he... He'd march atuette, but he consummerely, and he consummerely all the time. Is it like you've been able to have lost? Yeah, the police had been to be in my garage, and they've been,

I said, you know, I'll see the police arrive, what he wants to say. I've had to be a good news. I'm surprised. I'd have nothing to be. I'm sorry to defendants. You know. It's a mindset of you, yeah, I, I'm sorry.

It's normal. He said, Dominic, he said, you know, it's your Fis? I said, I said, what's the with Dominic?

You think he's got to what you? He said, he's dead. He's mad. My mechanic. My concierge

was a old. I think he was there, I said, I could just be just to be a

earth. I'd not even not. So I put my mechanicin in my

bar, and I got to I'm I'm to come in his

back before, you know, And even the police, he said, I think he was in, I think he said, he said, I would have not see what to do you, so I'd say, so I'd have to be it to say, to his mind.

Oh, it's funny. I was trying with my char, I said to have to say, Susie, and, and, you'd be able to say, and I, and I'd goye in the char, and then I'd go to and she'd, and when I was in the port, she'd have

seen, in my face. She said. She even not had been to say she's She's a minute,

she's she said she, she said she cried her murder he's

he's in my bra I'm in the power of all that

I'm I'm I'm I I've I've repri a

cut for the first for the time I've had been a

year I'm I'm serving a van at a house in my

chos completely. His chum who is a police of the city of the city of

the city and there's many of the person who had been to have arrived she said

that I'm saying that I'm that's three a month I'm

she went to be in a chino to play three my

company had had been the bar my my associate

I had had mis in demure, I mean, he's a company he's been in

six camions remark, there's carmonds, there's a Volvo flamb an in a

year, so, so there, there had some company, we had a garage, it's a

garage, we're in a truck in there and in and they repaired, you know,

it's a company that, he roule money, you know, it's like, it's like,

but, But it was all right. It's been terminated. There's been able to nothing to do. And I've been not there, not there,

in this day, but after my deil, I've got to it's been and it's been to have been to the first

time in my life, I'm trying to to be at to know, really. I'd be at

the sense where I beted puted up. The combat was finished. You know, the post-trow

to me who he reacted all the time because he had always to be able to bat, there,

he was going to be in to be in the year. Alguier, he was in to be disarmes. Yeah,

he was disarmed completely and it and it's there that really, my personality, my

real personality, all the that I had cached in the whole of these years,

I had left to get to and I had jubmline with the rest, but it

has been the degree. It's He's become he's he's been he's been a man

and not the Toff. The Toff has been a man a man sensible, an man who is

capable of the same, the feelings and the emotions of other, you say, that we've

said, that's sensible, and probably probably progest of your emotions, yeah,

but that you accept to the live. Yeah. And I think that a man

of your old, with your parkour who is capable of to live his emotions, it's extraordinary. It's not long time that I'm able to do that, me, too, it's a big step in a

life, that's a lot of, it's a matter of life different, and then, uh, and the grand, the, the grand paternity, in my case, I don't know if you're

there, but I'm ran to have a little little, you know, I'm not, I'm doing with her, I'm trying to pay, I'm not pressing, not pressed, not press, you're not,

my little bit of finesse, and I'll have pet, baby, pepip, and, well, it's a bonner of total. You've

lived something that's never been able to live? No. You know, I mean, I mean,

to bebe without to have to grow to the beginning, yeah, and if you

look, the, the cheminement, you know, Dominic, it's not out of

okay? I'm, I've taken, I, I've put a responsibility there in there, and I've

felt as a long time. You consider that you're a part of responsibility in his pastoral? Absolutely,

and I never, okay? I regard Nathaniel, my second- son,

he's had had a misery, he's been a matter, he's on his own he's on

martial, martial, he's not he's he's been and then, and he he's

and he and he looked, I've paid his studies, I was the I'm in

all the whole, we'd do the town of the province to do the country,

I'm in competition and I'm I'm a work, I'm a job as

a journalist today. You know there's a chaminement progressive that men

to a certain maturity. That maturity that, well, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, my spirituality, it's Jesus Christ, It's a bit like a recourse collective.

If you regard that, the plan of God in there that's the plan of God in, who is, I mean, my son, it's at the cross, to reconcile the world with me, all of those that

who are going to look at there, but they're part of the record collective, they're going to collect the life eternal. I'm the resumed in these words,

it's a much more profound than that. But, look, it's real that you talk about a recoup collective I'm trying to to forget that. No, but for the real, you said,

I said, I'm going to close that, but no, he rests on jazes. Yeah, absolutely. Because, there's that,

you're, you've, you've opened, participate to a recos collective against this famous

offelina, which I'll be the name Louis, Louisville. Mon Dieuville. Mon Dieuville. Look,

in 2008, in 2010, okay, I'm going to make the decision to have arrested the guy who had batted, who had violated

in the end of I'm going to and I'm playing and I'm trying, and I'm not too, there's a point, I don't know

because. And I'm saying, you know, he's gone to get to 70 and, you know, I'm going to be in prison.

Yeah, yeah, but when you see, he had been agressed people in his entourage.

He never arrested, he never arrete, he said, no, it had confirmed that I had to be

to be and then the an inquiteer who he interrogate, he's a police of the

village of Quebec, he's not a crime sexual, he called an enquateer

of the GRC, specialists in crime sexual, he had talked to in Montin-Sitt

he made to have in my child. So, so, he's an inquire

there, he will make crack my aggressor after after nine hours

of interrogator, okay? And, I'm an aggressor, he's avowed all. Okay, he'll make

all the table. But this inquieter, there, he's been to the Mondeauville, he was aggraced by the

seurs. Hey, he's not a quater, a crime sexual for a no, no, no,

I, I, see, when it's that's the recour collective, when the

avocas, they've seen, they've they've been he'd he'd be, he'd in the recourgues,

he'd, after that, after that, the recour is and he embarked. And when they've interrogated, they've said,

they've done what's the life? And then I'm an inquieter, crime sexual, GRC. The avocals

had to be their cause they're like pasture there, you can't be more credible than that

like a client, you know, there's a memory photographic in plus he'd he'd

he'd think, he'd a little d' d'clock there's a point of beauty to,

you know, a memory photographic, So it's He's been In the Coffey In the recourse,

and you have gained the year past, in a few more than a year, we've gone

a mountain historic of 65 million for 600 victims but it's not a reparty to make

it's a depend on the sequels that we have been in we've been on the time after

you've been so you're so you're so you're not used to I don't know. I don't know how many you will know how to know.

No, I don't know that you'll do you know what you do with us, but I don't know if they'd have done a platform of 400,000, but I've got to come an echo that's less than that. So, so. You don't have an end up

but I've arretaught to have to have been because at a moment of you'd say, I'm going to be dissu, and so, so I'm happy with that. I said, well, I risk that I'll read.

It's a reason. It's a reason. It's a reason. It's a bit. It's just. It's just. That's just, you know, if I graphing your genre in certain titles, it would be that it would pay for your reparation.

Effectively. Effectively, it's a pretty much. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, first, bravo, to have a parted plate even if it was tough, and to have, you know, participate in a part of this recourse collective, because I think that these institutions, they're not the cost of financial,

but they're going to have to find put the knee in their marrard, and it's, it's not not a sense

that's also ballayed of a man, you know, oh, yeah, but it's an other time, Chris,

I mean, there was a, there was a time that that they'd be a, you know, it was a,

it was a, it was a standard that, Chris, they, they're, they're creating these machines,

the machines, the machine, the society complete, If you look today, my son of the GRC

justly, he's he's 50, 60% of the world in prison in the political.

It's the health it's sort of some of the therapy that it's a time. You know,

what I see, I'm sure, I'm absolutely. After that you, you know,

the crime concentrated in the crime organized, that's a other pair of

manche, but even even even again, the guys, it's these guys, they've suffered

that have been have been remonsted to have to have been in the bad, you know, what I said you said, I said,

you said, 85% of people who are sitting on their own, they've been, you know, they've made,

but it's been the victims at the base, the most of the most of the time. And, like, you know,

you, you, you've got, to, you, to, you, an, , you, of, an, proff, in a

prison, and, there's, but there's, but, there's, you, I mean, when you're When you're searching the tap in the

door, you know, when you're trying to where's it comes, you know, the research is the love. The children have need to be able to be there. You know,

these criminals, there are, there's, there's always there, will always have to be, but, like, a big majority of the people

who are in prison, it's the problems of consumption, it's the problems of the health, it's, you know, you've seen,

Michelle Dumont here at a moment of a moment of course, he was at Coeinsville in the same than me.

And when when it's out in a journal that it was not he was not he committed at Plaintiffe at Co. Wandsville, so I had the right to circulate in the prison. I went to go

to go and I'll go and I'm excused for all the guys who they've been beatu, he said. Yeah, because he's all right. I said, for sure, he said, Matt, Michelle, Schumont, we're, have, you found, in the phone, he had found, he was found, culpable, of a viol, that he had had been, and he had been acquitted, and, it's been, it, it's been a lot,

he has vied what the the violer and the pedophiles live in prison. He had been to get rid of his cellul. I said,

I said, I said, it's going to be what it was but I'm excuse for all the guys who had done to

the marre d'17 and he he'll appreciate, he me, he's in the man, I'm part of that and when he

got to be and the journalists they've asked, they've said to be excused for the error judicier and

he said no, but he said, the motor, yes. He'd be in the motor, but he didn't know. But he said but he said

but he thought that it's going to be there. Today? You're gone to college? I'm going to get to

see what? I'm sorry? I'm going and the foundation the foundation Dominique Moise in in the name

of my son of my son of my son of his values to him that's a dude

a guy that's proge of the world and the whole of what? What did what?

This foundation that? She had We're trying to We're in trying to Restructurated We're playing People in the room

We had to They were doing a telephone Intelligent We're gonna The fridgedeer of Boof the furniture The loungettes

The Lange All right All right We're able To connect with government We're They're done

They're They're sent to the Rue Ceper decent Malady To start Their document Their paper

So forth A new life legal, in the law, you know, to say, legal, at the level, you have to be the papers, you have the proof of identity, these things,

that's at all, it's the number of insurance social, is what, for that's, if you want, if you're doing to, oh, go, go to do you,

go to do you, when you're doing, your number of insurance social, I don't, I'll have, not, I'm sure, , I'm sure, to find a job,

you, you don't, you know, to put to find out of , you, you're not, if you're, if you're, if you're , if you're playing in the car,

you, you're, number of the Social, Sacrament, you have no job. Manet, there's a lot of people, you know, if you, you go, if you, you've got to try and the other things, you know, if you're going to try to, you know, the creotty, you know. It's a great minister. But, yeah, it's a great ministerial for that,

for this foundation. We have, just to tell me, a little a little, a little, Jean-Weil have been arrived at the month of January 24, an an assente. She said, hey, I'm gillie, like a bar, at Dandine, on a pier, and she'll be the other.

She'll be, uh, she'll, she'll, who you give you to give you to do not. When they're going to do, I say, I don't know. They usually don't even, I don't know. They said, too, you're going to have done it. You know, I'm going to have been here. Bravo, that's your little , that, she's on is out of,

she's all right, she has had a baby, Lagan, a beau, a good baby to eight-lived. I've got, I've got, I've got, I've been in my bra, I've got, I've been, I've been, you know, this little girl, I'm just the sole, I've given

the telephone intelligent, who's going to call the payment of his telephone intelligent. Look,

it's really, just for her, the foundation will have served to have a thing. It was a

very, yeah, yeah, she and her and she and she , so, so you view,

to be, to be homonier, of all, you, I've been I'm, I'm,

I'm also, okay, so I'm, so I arrive to to work three months in the north, it's not the per mechanic, a couple of $2,000 per

a month, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, but I've ever been a bit of time of the IVAC, indemnization of the victims of criminal, I've had been

some of the periods difficult, some of the periods where I was not capable of where I had with the authority when an informant

in a velton, it was dangerous for that's a car, it's over it's like, it's like, it it's a sudden the limit.

It's a balance, the little guy and the guerrier, the way, the limit of the pitons that you can't even

even more today, you know, they're not not being a friend of me. It's not

a question. It's not a person to have a man, I'd not be able to you're not.

It'd be there. It's a woman. I'm not to say, I'm not to say, I'm not

like, no, that's the question of to say, no, but, what, I mean,

I said, The truth of honesty of the war. No, no, it was not, it was not it's not, it's not,

Christ, it's what, it's a monos, there's a homony, there's a monies,

you know, it's what it means, it's the charity. Okay. Far low world, it's the

chalet, it's the man of the church, who's, who's, who's up, the charity.

Listen, the religion, uh, the religion, uh, if you go, biblically, the religion

of the view, the world, to bring the evoves be of these orphans. It's that that's written in the Bible.

It's not not written to make a knee, to get to get to do that. You know, it's just that.

It's so. Prent so of the women and love your family, and you know, at the base,

if we go to the base, the message of base, it's the entrails and the end of

the people, often often other things, but the base of, you it's... Absolutely, but in

At the same time, you know, the Bible, it's 40 authors on 6,600 years of 40 authors who are not, that's not. That's not true. Scientifically, it's impossible to be not really. You know, there's, you know, some of the university that's, we don't know.

We don't, no, no, it's a deities. No, what I do in life, it's always, you know, I'm, you know, I'm poor, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's, you, I can't, I have no one of the religion,

the moment where I'm I block, it's when you're trying to make to my press in the gosh. And when you

start, to make to make to make those other things. You know, when you know, I think you

to manage a manipuja who is a man, he's a very well, he's going to he's all over,

he's all over he's all over visit, he's all right he's all over Guilla in the pastor that he's,

he's, he's got, oh, yeah, yeah, Guio he has never admit anything.

he had said it's time to start to start to start to get a same thing. All right, you have

all you have all over that if you're not see the episode of the episode of the thing,

so he's so that's that you say that's that's going to have the orphaned yeah

yeah yeah that's a love charity in Greek it's the same

about it's like it's traduction biblical you know you do you do

you do you're the same yeah it's the same so that so that

that's the that's that's that's the that's And, you're... Christ, that's not more to understand.

It's what a nominally? No, I mean... I'm saying... Look, I'm... I'm a monier independent. There's 500 church

behind my ministry. Okay. I'm a group of five hundred churches, and I'm a member of an

church that's a couple of people. But, you know, you're saying, you know, to...

Those who are to... Those are who are... They're... They're... ...of... ...of...

...of... ... ... ...of... They're like, I mean, I mean, what you do do you do with

the world, as we're doing we're doing, we're doing, we're doing, we're doing your name, and it's

a level that, and it's with an assurance on my actions of $10 million of dollars. Look, it's not,

it's not, I can't be doing a clack at a yoll to someone at a rue, you know, but it

had felt that I'd have made my proof, and it had to be my before,

before, before to me Donned the title, and a chance of $10 million, they're going to evaluate. So, you're like, you're like, not a man of the church, but you're supported by the church in your actions, in your own, in your parents, that's that. When we're talking, when you're talking, you're saying, I was going to see, I'm going to go to the homoony in prison, so, and you said, he was married, I'd go to the day,

and the night, all, so. So, it's a man of an church, but not, it's not a priest, it's Not just that's just that there's like the approbation of the church for like... It's that for the activities. The activities... The church, the world, you know, the priest,

he's there... But, I'm not the church Catholic, I'm. I'm going to... So, the priest, he is there for a sermon. He's there for...

The day of... ...fair's to do you. ...fair's what he has to do. And the homonian, he is there for the community. He is there for to be in a community, to create

these things that will have made these vatements to the world, a soup popular, what will

help the world really. And all of God, the name. The future? The future, I think,

I change to restructuring Fond Dominique Moiseant for a look, I'm in a contested

a pursuit against the center of the Stention of Quebec. Okay. A

pursuit of 10 million. And it's a recourse collective also because the world in prison in Quebec,

okay, they don't the right to visit if you have not a link sangu with them,

okay, or if you're not an intervenant of the system. So, me,

I'm not able to get to get to get to be able to see, he's not

to be, he's not, you, and then, I, I'm, pardon, all that, all that is finished, all that is finished.

So I'm I'm pursuing the system because our system carceral Quebec is the poor than the system carceros in Russia, in Cuba, to India.

For the treatment, the nations unies have established the regn for the system carcernal or an human,

who's incarcerated or no, a right to have a right to have a same as a same sort of an other human. Okay. The so-

medical in prison for the person of the people people who there's a woman who made a

matriese there's in John-Marie Vincent. It's been published in the press by Marie-Claude

on Bullduke on on the person in prison. I know a few O'Locl

that's finished by having to have been after having wanted to take care to take

to their old down, okay, I'm going to the guardian I said, there's a mal o'-dent. He's a job at the infirmary. Pendant of the days,

days and days, you know, when I'm in the face in the flingro, man, I had the palet to revere to bar on the other bar,

okay? The paled at the land. Yeah, that's true, and then I was coming from the front of the mock,

I said, but the door to revoir, I said, it's over the gar, I said, it's a bit of, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, regled like that. There's a there you have to be

there's a little to be in front of the infirmary. And when you do you can't do not have done a lot of

to do give some some of the anti-biotic and defl it after what that's

it's been pastoral my car my god did a start he there lammes

it's a man it's a bad and then and then and I have a

syatrice in the palet there been evident of that so, so the

The soins of the health in prison, it's zero or plus a bar. And it's always a

way of pressure. All the ways of pressure, the abuse of power in prison, it's abutable. There's been an experience

that's called that, the experience of Stanford. That's exactly what you think. Yeah,

they've made these students detenue, these students, guardians, guardian of prison.

They were to have been to be a A couple of days. They're all an hour. For those who they know they're not, they're all right, for those people, it's all these

students, there's not, there's not, there's not a criminal, there's not a guardian of prison in a lot, but they, they're in function of, okay, you're also, you're of these detainees, it's, it's been, like, two or three years, and you're going to have been obliged, you know,

it's, you know, it's a lot, there's been really, a lot of people who were, totally, right, it's true, yeah, the power trip, the abut of power, the abutton, it, has started

quite rapidly. So it's like that and in the protector of the citizen is a person

to puttain to get an organism but it's not very, because if he would be an organist independent,

they're at the other, they're at their own, they're not there, they're not they're saying

they're talking when I'm talking to that. So, so, so, and I've tried,

I, I've had the vestments of my chum who's at prison of Quebec, I,

have these These vestments, of these vets, I've got to get to get into a few months for in my chair. I've tried to get into

and they're not. They don't. They don't know the point. You know, you know, you're going to

call up the telephone, you have to call the detenue, you have to do a gang, you say,

that, it's some of the moment of a minute I'm shocked, I'm shocked, and it's like to have

a crue in light, you know, you're revevee-d-d-d-d-d- -d-d-d-d- They got them out. They've got them out. And that's all right. It's a lot of years.

Yeah, but in the same time, if person has done... No, no, it's sure. It's sure. Look, it's... Look, they're going to be in advance of their actions. And, I mean, I'm sure to do it. I mean, look, an envoy to her... In advance, and, my, Trump, during his interview, he persecute. And the retrait, there in?

I think. Okay, it would be the year-prochan, 65-year. but I don't have never of retreat total. I'll continue to have

some of the people who are not able to do you know, but that's my job that's, you will rest

it, it will be a but, you know, the rest of the retrait of the work,

it's, yeah, it's it's on yeah, I imagine that the Rocco collective.

We have a plan for a house in the campaign? But there's there, you're there

to do, you're not there or not we've done, we're You're not there, you're not... We've done

on a offer on a house on with a building, one kilometer 6 of the term.

You've got to find, you've got to your mind but you've always been and then I'm going to

I'm afraid and then. It's on yeah, yeah. Yeah, some, I want to have some

I've got to have a two-n- in my life, I adore the chow the chow,

I'm, Thank you. It's a pleasure, Cedric. Thank you. And it's rare, I will it's very, and, you know,

but thank you to have the people of the system to crossy, you know, as it's a bad to make

to make sure for you in the system. Yeah. But I'm I mean, I've said, you know,

I've got there, you have been, there's been many people, and there's many times, and there's

some people. There's the I'm the impression that at several moments of your life, there's there are you have been in the

guy who's that you're the guy who's in front of me. And, and bravo also for when you

don't have been to be not be retombe because, you it's been one, and one and you're

it's, it's far because I know what it's to be, to be an accro, you know,

I'm I know, I'm can't, I've used several times the occasions,

I think, to repartee, but I think that's a man far, you're a man right, you're an astute of parkour, and you're like a guy who wants just to find a billion around the other

to him. Absolutely. You know, I think there's who has, that's, you know, who has vied by an affair,

but who, he remit the return of the balancet, and I have the impression that when your life,

it will finish, that's that is a lot is a lot more than a bar than the other. Yeah, but in

at the same time, I know, I know, that it depends not of a balancee in my life at me but in

the same I'm in going to be I'm in there I'm in I'm going to I'm in that you're

not, it's not that's not that I'm just that yeah, it's just that yeah, I don't know

that you're not that you're I feel that you're doing because you do it's you feel it, you know,

you know, you're in the thing, what I mean, it's, what I mean, it's, the actions

I think that you've posed before the last years and that you have posed, you know, I think it's a good,

it's a bit bascule. An intervenant who had said a phrase very percutant that's, that's,

when I say, I say I's to judge, when I'm when I've viewed, the other side,

when I've, when I see, the judge my debark. It's for that this podcast that. Exactly.

It's for that the world know, that the world can't understand, and for that people are to judge.

And I'm the best of because I'm not the same person today than when I'm going to because I know more what I

know what I understand more, and I judge my more. Thank you, very, very, very, very appreciated.

I hope that you you've got to you've been and I think I know, I know, I think you'll know I'm to know, I'm

to know, I'm to know. Thank you to have been there at the parlor.