Au Parloir - Épisode #127 - Claudie Gauthier, Zoothérapeute

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Claudie Gauthier, zoothérapeute, qui nous fait découvrir la zoothérapie en milieu carcéral, autant au fédéral qu’au provincial.Entourée de cinq de ses animaux ayant des profils différents, elle partage son parcours, le fonctionnement du milieu correctionnel et l’impact réel des animaux sur la thérapie, la gestion des émotions et la réinsertion. Un échange humain, sincère et éclairant sur une réalité peu connue. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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Claudi, Clodie, of just simply Charlie. Well, it's a podcast very different, very different.

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a zoe therapist who is in four prisons different in Quebec, two provincial, two federal.

I thought that super interesting. we're not in the history of someone who has vied and it's the fun also to see what the guy in there sometimes,

at what they have access, you know, we're talking sometimes, you know, these therapies, or they don't

have enough of resources, some of those and I think that really interesting, to the receiving,

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the name of your name and of this charmed young who's perched on our table, you're a zoatheraporte. Yes, exactly.

And you go at each time in these centers correctional, you do two provincial two federal. So I think that's super interesting

to be able to receive, because we know, we've already talked to some of the other occasions of intervenants,

all, an ancient police, the things like so. But, and then, and,

and, he's he, he en He wants to love. D'Amow, they want to say, when you're going to flattie, he wants to

know, we're in people who have people who are there's a lot, you know, that, you know, that, there's a lot, and there's a,

there's a, and I think that interesting, to have that, and in the people can't, like, why the guy

on the law to do that, you know, what's the , you know, what's supposed being in a car

in the crime, you know, so, so, I'm a little also, you, you know, to,

you, it can do you I'm trying to probably, it's what it's a part of what,

it's a person who's not someone who he's going to be able to get to eat, it's a good thing.

Yeah, it's so. The people have an idea the zotherapy that's not the reality. You know,

you know, someone who has a little chey in a CHLSD to see a grandmother, ah,

there's a lot of CHSLD, there's a lapin in class of your face, ah,

it's a lot of that's not that of XHAT Is the person, she is formed, intervenant, in zanourapy, is she there an assurance professional? Is it a lot of course? Is it good for doing that? You know, we're going to talk about, like, like, I've made my three chien.

I'm d'ombie, that you flatter presently. She's my labrador. She can't be it everywhere. Julian, it's my protector, my peru, my txious. I can't even make it. So, that's really important. in a class all the

day, it's not a good idea. It's for that the zotherapy, and there's several terms also because

there's a presence animaliaire, zotherapy, zoanimation, activity assisted by the animal, it's all

these definitions different often that people can englobe in the zotherapy. Today, we're using

the word zotherapy. But in the centers of detans, what I do primarily, it's

these activities assisted by the animal. Before we're I'm going to say, how it's how it's

how, what's it what's he's what's the is a doctorate is, is it, is that, you know,

I imagine that you're a fan of animal I think that for that, in fact, I've really a park

atypick of all the other colleagues of the people, the schools,

in fact, they accept the people who have the people who are the social,

educator, specialised, ensuing, or all what's ergotraperte, physiotherapes, that's, no matter.

I don't know. I've been to work in time, but in the same time, it's a lot of people, I'm going to be in

the car, for the time, for men, for them. Okay. There's never too too to see,

for our passions, for live our life, there's never, never, you know, I've seen a preb also,

so, so, so I've tried 20-time to work in while, during the pandemic,

my work was on my time, my time, I decided to return those And at the

mother, I had not the right to get a if I wanted to have a new animal, my old chum

he said, well, he's a moment of a day, he had his own so he was

during the pandemic, I've made my formation, but I was made because I had not the

tools of intervention, I was not an educational, I didn't he'd not, he

had, he'd there, I'm that I'm so that I have insured at the

university of Monreal. Because you, exactly, but you're not, not the tools,

you know, the willower and the passion are the time, but at the time,

especially if you go to work to do, you know, therapy, it's a great word, you know,

and not any part of any people can be a person, a certain base of the comprehension

human also for, absolutely, and I didn't, and I'm to make this part

that I started that I'm making, in doing there, I'm presented at some

different, I, my insurance, you, professional, I've started with the person aged. I'm presented

with my animals. But, there, again, that's for that my first that's for so, my first

I'm doing, I mean, I mean, I mean, in a lot of any point in a form of course. So,

that's not criminology, it's victimology. I've pre the course in gerontology for the people of

people of people ofg, health, mental, victimology. So, so I'm saying, excuse me,

I'm, I'm sorry, you're going to say, you know, you do that, you do so, Not in criminology, but in victimology.

Victimology. And, you know, there are a lot of people who are on your siage who have made enormously of prison. I've received some victims, but in fact,

I'm not saying victims who are not necessarily have been in prison, but, you know, 80% of the people that I've received who have been sentenced,

they're being victims. It's for that. It's for that one of my last years in victimology, it's a profile vulnerable. And then you

see all the profiles of the persons the most at risk of being victimized. And, you know, the people who are the people of people, the people of the toctoans, the youngs, the people who are in-dimiccriminalized, but there were, oh, yeah, but all the ways that's

that, that's not, in their genus, in the process of judicier, a one of the day, you know, I'm saying, okay, oh, oh, yeah, you, you're d'clock, Charlie, he said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so, so, it's that I've realized that. You know,

it's for that after that I'm trying to terminate my criminal. Now, in this moment there's a

course. So, you've really found something that's, on your X, on X, to say,

okay, but at the first you do when you say, I'm going to see, I'm going to that's,

so, so, so, so, it's, yeah, it's, is where the

, is, where, the way, to say, apporting something, you know, I mean, I think that when our tito,

when our tito, when we're talking to a therapist, whatever, psychotheraper, or whatever, psychotheraper, I think that it comes with an envy, a desire, to help us, I think not that you do,

I'm going to, oh, I'm going to, wow, it's what, these criminals? No, not, no, I've all the time to get someone, very avat, very empathic,

very bien-ve-eating, so, no matter, you know, at a moment of a day, there was a person Nanger who marched on my boulevard with his commissions and it's at 30 degrees

I'll just never ever I'll ever if you're in back I'll go to put it on the 3rd stage I'm all the time I'm like that

for me you like to help the animals you, them add to people it's it's combined it's a

bad melting pot I'm I'm asking I'm a question because yeah it could be a very good

response and even a response very very normal and if you with this podcast I guess, just to do you

see, is that you, is that you, I'm, an apprehension to be in a, I've met with

a detenue, I've got in prison, you're going to, you're trying, with a, stress of, what's what's

I'm afraid for my security, you know, the prejudice, what's what is normal, and I'll say, yes,

I'd say, I'd say, you're not in prison, for a thing, but, you know,

we're, we understand, certainly with my project, And we understand that it's these humans at the base,

who are doing who are doing many people, but who want, often, it's on sort of change,

there's, there's that, but often, at the base, probably 80% of our prisons are filled

and people, are filled of people who are people, and you're doing, so, you're doing

really, like, hey, I'm not sure, and it's stressing, and, you, uh,

I, you know, I, in fact, in my first, in my first clients,

I, had used a resource who accuees the trouble of a group of a group of

so on And we see, often, a deficiency at the actual. Or, Jeanine, a matter, she, she made his own, you know, she said, excuse me, you know, but I've heard more than she,

she, she, so, so, so, she, faculty, she, she, she, she, she, she, there's a lot of, to connect the dossier,

I, I never access to the dossier of person. But, but all that, to say that, so often I can't not enter in the unites because it was organized,

it, it was, it, It's hurled. He's conged the head, it's mure, it, it's sene. I have one in the court who's parted to curry when I went to visit, he seigned to the neck. He made a beck on the front. And then, I said, I go to munch a cut of

feet, you know, what he will happen? That's stressful. They're saying, and you contaminated? Yeah, that's... That's really... And I've had to have a coup of visage. There's, there on a 300-400-4-5, that had a parroquet on the elbow.

I got to remanded something by-the-court, the cut-to-the-out, so when you have a deficiency, they're not capable of their gesture, that, that's a

very, so when I was to come to get to be in I'm just to be sure that you're just to be sure

just to be more, because I'm sure that we're not to be sure that we're not that's all

excuse me, I'm, I'm just I'm, it's not stressing. Okay. In the

fact, the, the worst, I've been in a school, you know, seven,

at 7, 21, year, or that the young have the handicap multiple, or that the

enseignants, the educators, specializes, protect with the matasas, or that's all over the air, I've

made that you have done, so you know, where the people, let's be, to be able to a toilet,

but it's a kilometer before, you know, he's mass or no what, you know, you're a

carapace that's that, that's for me, for me, I'm, you're doing,

okay, no, I'm, no, I'm, You know, you know, you say, look, I've made an 180 career, and then, you know,

you're talking to all right, is it a minute, is, is it perhaps not the mayheming the idea, finally? No? No. No, I'm never.

I want more. I want to continue, continue, continue. You know, it's one of the reasons for the case I'm there today, is far to know, the benefits of the azotherapy, I'll say, to go, all the guys,

at all the people, because I go, I go to resources in health mental, I continue in gerontology or with people who are young, the students, the students, but

all of the students, I think, I think so, I think it really, it's it really, and no, no, regret, zero. You know, justly, if, if, let's, let's see, let's, I'm having, a

psychotherapist, I, I'm going to talk, you, and we're going to talk, me, of why you're anxious, and why you're actually, and, you know, we're going to get these bobo, or, you know,

to understand these things, you know, it's, it's what the, the benefit

that's, because I can't understand an benefit immedia. Yeah, you know,

I'm sure. You know, there's a person who, that you can't not be a little

bit of that one that's that's a guy, ha, ha, he's, content to

to be, like, I'm, so, so, so I, so, so,

It's sure that if we're I'm not, I'm not not talking about, I'm not in the center detention because in the center of detention we're in group so I'm not

individual, I'm not access to the dossier of each other which is different not too because I think I'm not

probably have some probably probably probably and it's it's weird because you know I'm, you know, I have

I have some I'm saying me all what I'm all what all the thing I'm access, it's the negative, you know, he's that, you've done said that, you've done that,

you've got to have recidivist, of this, of that, and you know, there's a who know, who's,

he's, I, you know, I, you know, I'm at least the docile, but listening, and understand

often the history of where certain people can't pass, it has done their work differently,

you know, and probably you also, in the sense that, if you don't, if you're not, you know,

what's, you know, you know, you know, just a human, who has We need a need to be in front of them. We say, we're doing

often. We're just a bit like my animals. I know your story. I see face-a-face. The relation is easy to establish. The link of confidence is very rapidly

because I can't you put in a category. I can't be not to stigmatized. I don't, you know, no, whatever, I don't know if you're part

of a gang, I don't know, so the relation is very established, you know, and you say, you just the you can not

do not, you can't do not do not do in the attention because it's in group, but at the level personnel, let's justly, in geriatry, let's on, some, what, don't,

, what, don't, a person, let's see, a person who is, in, example, in perth of autonomy, cognitive, style Alzheimer, is that,

is, is, that you will be not necessarily of the chien or not, but, is, is that they remain in certain some of those,

things, that's, it's, what the bien-fait that's apport out, out the spot? On the spot? Let's,

let's, we'd be really like some of the aso-therapy individual, with the notes evolutative, we're trying

on the anxiety, we're trying on the confidence in so, but at the person, let's don't,

if she, she'll be a with the chien, he does give some and he makes, some,

we're doing with the animals, we've chosen the one of this person, but she

will be able to develop their confidence in her, after after that

will be to be that, that's that's so, that's, in a

an animal at a little she's a little with a lot so many I'm going to find out of these things

are going to see that you know, so you're going to get to be a little bit of an photo of with an animal

but let in your pupil and remember you when you were how you had had used to how your how your anxiety

how your anxiety were less present, how... It's that but I don't know but I'm

like I do in the center of detention it's hard to say really it has an impact, but it has an impact on a lot of times

because the guy will not go to through, he wants to participate at my activity. He wants, so he's he's not quite every day for that the Wednesday he

can't, so so that's, so the guy that's been two weeks, he's not seen a he said if he said that

he's a one day, he's that he has a idea to re-re to see, he will be so he will be so much

because he he's done to go to he will not access to Julian, his meeting two weeks

I don't know how many of the time, I don't know how it's a turn to function but you know so you know so you know

is that you know is there do you know it's a lot to say it's a past it because you know

yeah yeah yeah there's a yeah there's there's there's

to do you to any other activity I'm just lastopopi the endrederday with you

it's it's correct it's it's your it's your it's your he's he's

And it's a privilege, because they're a lot of, there's some people who are like one that's like to be, so to be a part of my group of 8, 10,

it's a fichu privilege. Often they're going to favorize the people who have the health, like you say, the

infirmary or no matter. But there are there's a group also on recommendations of their interminate.

So, it's so that you're chaste, so you're not the place. Even if you don't the

dossiers, is you know, I'm an example, I mean, I've made shows of humor in prison, but there were not the guy, you know, there were not the guy of maximum

were in their wing. I was all the guy who were at being, you know, or who'd rest had been great thing, and they're calm and they're trying,

and that's and that's quite, you know, it's a little, you know, is that, they're going to go to get

like, we're, we're going to make, like, you know, because they're, you know, they're often, it's,

they're really, they're really, more, more serried, more petite. Is that that's a case,

it's a privilege, just they're going really, it's a good that's going to be the guy, they're,

they're, in fact, I'm a center of detention, that's almost 90% of the

prevenu. So, you know, for being prevenu, already, there, your crime,

you risk to go to federal. So, I've often some of homicid, I'm often

, you know, you're mental, prevenue, I think, it's 90% of domestic, so I've got these groups

I've got, like you say, group maximum. Often, they're not access to activities, but one every year, I go to a prison where we're doing all the day, and there's five groups.

So, and I just have a pause 1.5 a stress, if you're not my animals, you know, one and a year to repose. I imagine your priority before to aid the other, you're

your animals, the bien-in-air their security also. All the time, all the time, but we've got that my animals presently are zero-stressed,

So they're on their They're very, very chill I'm a chained A year, I'm a chained A few, it's not It's not It's not, it's true,

It's true Exactly, and my own Parenthood, but all right, so, yeah, in this journey where we're

going to be five groups, it's been different than the groups of the groups maximum, I'm having a group

protect of the cause relays of sex, protect the causes relay to the conduct, I'm having

different than usual, but, So, like I said, as a time I'm in the center of detention of prevenu, it's these

these cases that's a matter of, let's what you, say, is it's a group protect, sexual, or

you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not the case, you know, the dossier but you know, they're entourate,

they're trying to be caught to be caught to sex, and honestly, they're absolutely super fin, they're all super fin,

you're all, they're really they're really they're really, they're really, and I'm, and I'm, I say that,

you know, I've said, you know, we've talked to a general, that they don't necessarily, they're not necessarily,

I'm not really, I'm sorry, I'm doing so, and I'm doing my animals, you know, I'm concerned of that,

that. It's a, well, like, you know, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, there's, the chien, the animals, we're in the animals, we're in a couple of

that's, it's in it, you've been, you've not, you've been, you've not, You've not seen a child. It's for 10 years.

It's not. I said 19 years. So, he arrives. And, my question that I pose when I go to federal, it's not, it's how many times it? It's how far as it's how many times that's not that you've got to flatted a child? So, so when the guy me says 19 and he has been to recule

because Julian, I can give him a command, and he will put his pad on to you, you'll be able to caress. If I, I demand to do something. So the guy, he said, a minute, I'm not ready to, and he's been to versed with him, and I'm very emotional,

I'm really to feel with him, and do have a caress, you know, but it's a touchable for the guy, so, so they're doing, federal are 10 years, they're going to be

touching, they're going to be the chance of them to make a caress, it's wow, it's magic. We don't think to that.

We don't know. We're talking to a thing I've talked often, but, you know, a guy who was, when he was in transition,

he paid some he'd payed the guy for all the other border to the road, the chars arrived too fast, it'd

had been 20 years, He's not been a shot, he's not able to analyze, absolutely. But, you know, we're, because we're, since we're in, but when you've not

been a car, car, car, all that's, all right, you know, I'm doing, you know, I'm just, you know,

I'm even not imagine, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I've had a day of a month,

and my, my fie, and my chen is, and then, and you're, you're content to to me to be, you,

but you, you've been that, there, there, there, there, There's person who's

content to to be able to at this point that. And as a question, that's not, it's not

a judgment. It's not a judgment. I'm not that I'm an individual. Okay, there's a

individual, there's a problem, and it's a jacket, and the guy doesn't have two weeks that's been

to have a little yellow, no, no, no, no, my chies are to do, and he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, You know, you're there for you. He sliff the cuck, like, hey, he can't be, he'll get a child. It's all, it's all right? No, but it's just. Excuse me, I'm just a bit crue, de furs, but...

No, it's exactly that, really. He was super content, the guy, because he doesn't want to be able to be super-be and that. So, there's a... There's a... Exactly, that, that the three chins are sat sit on his, it's at all the car, and the three chins are new, and it's just the love at a-ta-pour, you know?

There are you... There are you, you know, you're... You've been crinitive for your animals or for you in a certain situation. You know, I talk about the sentiment. I see I've seen a little lizard, it's all fragile. We're saying, they're a push, an index, and bye-bye, the lizard. Yeah, it's a little. Nooseau, it's also fragile.

You know, your chien, are, at all the part, you know, your little caniche. But, you know, do, you know, do you know, is, you've got a great, or is that you know, where you see, okay, I mean not a tell animal, I mean not a certain situation, you know. Exactly. So that's a new group. Let's go ahead. It's the congey the day,

it's due the hour a little scolair. So, let's talk we're coming in September, I'm not to get the parroquet. Why I'm not Julian?

Julian, it's my protector, it's my anxious. I know, I know all the time where I go, he will be able to be able to

pass in the tourniquet, the agent security, he will be able to be able to, the piece is made to be able to be able to be able to

be sure, for me, that's super important. Because if you you're stressed, anxious because you know he

he doesn't He comes in mode. At my mistress, he has something, he's got to protector. He tombe... But it's more, me, don't know, that the guys,

they want to be to jopper. You know, he's just he japed before the chains and then, so how do you think that a

thing that will have to come the next time here? So, I'm more, Ivert you know, okay, I'd like,

I'd like, I'd like, I'd say, okay, I'm trying to me, and they're saying, well, why? Because if I'm

a problem, a pic artisanal , like, You're in front of your cellul. You'll have to have to have to have to have opened, but you're going to be ready to have to be with to me attack, because you go to sense that there's something that's going to be. Exactly. And it's not a bad for Sincennes. And if we're talking to what he's

for the azotherapy, but my chien are evaluated at each year by a comportamentalist, and there are several criteria. And Julian, there's no danger, of morseous, but it's a protector. But if someone you attack, you to fall on the on the suit, you cry. They could. He would defend. He's that. He's going to defend, you know, it's a certain

security where there will be be able to have there. The guardians are not with me, never, never. They're not in piest, no, they're not

in a piece. No, they're not in a camera, the port is barred. Why the port is barred? Because, you know, if, let's talk with the protect, and gang of the

house, and they have to get the protect. Rentry and they're going to find a brawl. The part, so, the ports are barred the two bars. So,

The time that, you know, all... So you're enfermed, you also? I'm also with the group. But zero. I'm not stressed, because they're really very gente, and as I say, but I have the chance

that the agents, the list, the detenue, they've made a meneage. Okay, he, this week, this time, had arrived so on

the list. He, so, they're not to me and say, I, like, I say, I, I'm,

some, I look, the case, I, he's not there, this week? Well, no, he has to be the two

on the end of a week, you know, okay, it's good, but he's at at the side to go to

my, but the reason, it's related to the drug. Okay, so I, I'm not

at that, there, there's, there's, there's, like, he's made, like,

he'd come back to, or, or, do, or, is that you

have been, to the question, I'm, I'm not already barred, but,

you, There are some of the titanors. It's more the material, when I have my material, ah, by the way, this is it rendered where? We don't know. We have all the poachvice viz.

But I, look, and then I'll read, I'm going to go, I saw my stock, it's got to find an object X, and then, and then,

it's all, okay. It's good, I don't know. He's assay, man. He's assay, it's normal, I think. They're all.

They're going to find what to have with a lindgette that's not what to do you. It's not that's not to do you. I'm not

the linse and I'm in my sack at Poubell that we're not not in my legettes for that we're to have the

hands after. But the puerel, if they're with the bottle of puerle, it's so

you can do you that's different in the other milieu, it's all the stuff that I'm making

I'm really I'm really I'm really to get all right to get you're you're

there's there's there someone too guardian. I'm correct. We're going to continue. It's not great.

There's a podcast with with the animals, it's sure. It's just. It's just. It's just. We've never heard.

It's just. But, no, it's just so. F. I'm sure. I mean, that's a little challenge.

If I'm a little defy, if I'm to make an intervention, and I'm going to do

that, so, so, I have I'm going to give the list. It's a to the guardians at the entry for those others

when they're when they're going to say okay, that's accepted, it's correct you can't get to get

my activity. In fact, in two weeks I need to get back to get back to that. So, it's really

that I'm ready at the advance. It's not the last minute. No, no, it's not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,

I'm quite at every time, you know, I'm in prison when I'll do for a show, it's probably, my telephone,

he's in a car, he is barred, and I, you know, I'm a case, I have a callie with a crayon, not of crayon. No, no, it's

that's right. And, you know, even at a minute, I, I've got, you know, because I'm a bit of meneage

in my material in prison, there's a gag that I I'm not, I'm, you know, you can just

get a only the whole, yeah, no, no, it's a thing,

it's a little, it's a, it's a, it's so, that, it's so, no, it's just,

it's just it, It's so that, you know, that's the crayons of wood, not a crayon-al-al-a-fax. So, it's for that I try to use the material on place. Okay, I'll have have been to have two scrayon-feut. If I can't have been, I'm in here, but it's more simple to say,

I'll use the vault, not the need to be inspected, and then, and so. And, and, you know, and it's not, and you're inspected at each entry or so. Yeah, it's all. It's all right. It's all right, you know,

that's the back of shoes, but it's the same thing. Even my material, that's for so that it can't be too old, on auteur. I have a chariot because, like, I'm going to

all over, and so often we're in the stationing he's not at the cell of activity, so the time

of all, we're out, we're in front in, we're in front in in a, so I'm in a chario, but that's

it's a deproup, is that you're coming it, it's clear for you, that you're

to find to find in the center correctional or it's at force to do it, and it's really

when you've in victimology that you've seen, there's a declke that's made, you know, okay,

you have to have to get to get to the guy, but in fact, my intention first is to help you know,

it's not the victim of the criminal, but I'm maybe three, four, four, when I've had

my sent to my certificate in victimology, I had a session, and it's what we

can offer, what we can have to get to the health care, I'm, I wanted to

that's all that's that's not, it's possible to offer the azototherapy. It's the chien,

but now they're with with the chien, MIRA. Okay. But,

you know, there were three chien that are the SQ, the Maitre Chain,

that makes the chien to the center, the Pallet Justice, for the people can

can't be able to and it so it's very firm it's the animals, like I

say, it's impossible. And I know, I'm not the animal that we can platted,

that's that, I'm that I'm mean, a chion A chien Mira, it's not a chien of chemotherapy, a chien of chemotherapy, a chien of an chien ofotropy,

a chien of emotion, or the sitemotional, it's not. So, it's that I think, that I'm not accessible. So, like, I'm saying, okay, it's impossible. And when I've seen in my course that, effectively, the detenues, the persons criminalized are victimized, well, why not? And then, then I'm trying to get at 4-centre-de-dent-denton,

and my objective is to me to run at 5, 6, I'd like to do I'd like to I'd like to do I'm sure of there's certainly there's certainly there's always

there's a lot of there's a lot of every time and I'm saying they go in some class after that's math, French,

English, we know exactly what group is passed by you before it's evident the guys are

very they're very they're so it's it's the fun that's my pay well when I was

I was asked, you know, you know, you know, you're the feedback, but you're saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's probably one of the reasons for the why he continues to tapply, and he continues to go to, because he's he, I mean, I mean, I said, you know, I'm saying, it's the government, he depends

not for anything. I'm not going to say that, because he's going to risk, yes, that the government depends for anything, but, you know, in the sense, you know, the budget of the centers correctional are quite, uh, yeah, yeah, so, that's paid with the, the fund of detunue. It's the front of detainees. Okay.

But it's the same thing. I'm sure. I'm going to do with a show, me also. It's the fond of detenue. Well, provincial. Federal, I don't know, but provincials,

it's the front of detenue. A choice of... A choice of having the zoo therapy. They have a yoga, let'son, they have a day of a day complete.

It's that before the fact, they have a week of a week. They want all the zotherapy. You know, it's for that I'm going to pass a journey

complete with the group completely different than that I have different than I that I'm I think I think it's

the guys who are that's the guy who know, yeah. So, you know,

you know, the spot, the agent you know, give a feedback to say, it's a fact,

and the fact that's the guy that's they're not, because, you know, there's,

you know, I've often heard, you know, there's, there's a thing that's because there's

there's, because there's there's, there's, you know, they, they, they,

they, It's just something of different, of what, the same? Well, it's all right. It's sure that it can't be able. It's not

that's not in the same sector and they're going to have a little defy in my group, look, the guy, you know, I'm wondering to

to try to do you I'll give you I'll give you. Wednesday, we've made this, it's, you know, the colors have a signification.

Let's, the red, I mean, say, passion, but it's color, color. The noir,

it's dewe, okay, dey, You've not necessarily lost your father, your mother. You've

lost your your liberty, your work, you've lost, you've got to have been in a pack of

a few, that's in fact, we've got to make a design but each color there's, I had my parroquet,

who's in trying to be in the beauty in the camera, he'd he'd he'd

make a crayon of the color, he let's say that we'll say, we're doing that, we've done, you know,

I've made the design because I've been and the dews, the orange, I mean, I mean, I'm like, like you do,

there's a guy, there's a he can't be, they're not, they're not for jazes of a trick ant-sector. And then I'm,

these guys, you know, to please, at least that, I'm not there for, not for you goce and you don't,

so, I'm not, not, make me, not, I'm not, just a marionette for you other,

exactly, and, you know, he'd profite of the animals, there were, there was, there was, there,

a leas on the little, the little chien, Ollie, but we're there more than to flatted, the animal. You know,

I'm wondering, and there's a one who has been partaged, because his own image, at the beginning, it was all

and they said, okay, wow, you've got a lot, you've been to me and to me and when he's in

in the time, to get in a pair, it's not easy, but when you're in there, and you can't be in the

same, you can't go to the salon, funererer, that's, it's doubly difficult, so he had just

the noir. And then, after that, I said, you know, you're sure that there's not an old color and then you know, okay, I'm sure I'm talking, I'm totally,

I'm talking, optimist, passion, you know, I've all that's a signification. It's a minute, and I

just put, to put you get a attention to and I'm, and you say, I'm there, you know,

I'm going to want to be to be the people, they're with the animals, but if you're to be able

to be able to be able to be the end of activity. It's sent it a

minute to the therapist in the sense you're not just like, like you it's not, it's not like

the exhibition animal, in the sense that you do drop these animals and you're not not, you're not,

you're really, so, so that's you're going to have to do they're to find to do this

one way they've got to have actually, you know, you know, you're having been

in a lot of vibe that when they're getting to got into that they're they're in a world more positive

because it's hard to not be positive with these beautiful animals like around around to you're doing you're going to just to get

out of the stock of those other also in a time and some mayn't to know what to know what because if I talk to color

the ruge let's say let's say the perequet he has chosen the ruse who who has been in his

relationship who can't let's say there's more also these parallels with my animals like the deyes

a pereoquet can live a deuce, a parroquet that's a family. I've already a detainee who me said, oh, I, my, like, crime, I voles, I vows I vows, they're vows, I vows, and the parroquets, and the chains.

Perfect. I, I, I've been that the next to, I said, you know, that a parroquet that's been going to be maybe to

let me make, the consequences of your choice? Yes, you, it's for to offer the money, certainly, for paying the drug,

or no matter, but the choice of your role is perhaps not the It's a consequence grave. It's a life that will... The animal will be left

to die. So, it's for that... It's a... It's a animal that's a while. Yeah, it's a period. Yeah, yeah, it's a vie long time.

So, it's for that, you know, the crayon, let's tryolie, he has chosen the crayon-Rooge, but there, there's a guy

who's going to say, well, I, I'm a... I'm a... So, he will be able to be even if it's a tough, I'll have to

have a little bit. You know, but I'm not not obliged to me to me and I'm I don't know your dossier. You're not obliged if it's it's not obligated if it's

it's not I'm there for that for you listen. Is it you know, certain animals have different

impacts? You know, we're talking to talker, who's a little in the same family that, you know, pit bull

and, you see, it's, it's, in the world in the panos, you know, it's a,

it's a chien very well represented, it's a, it's a that's a little bit of them because, you know, it's a lot of tough,

you know, it's a a chien of combat, and we, you know, we're often in some of the clip of rap, and do you know, so, is,

is, is you see, is it a guy who really, you know, does it, you know, other things, is, the parroquet am I, you,

see, it's, I'm very, I'm saying, if you're a and he's a and he's there, and he wants, and he brings,

the cue, it's, you, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, But if you a lizard in the

hand, it's not the same vibe, it's not the same mool, you know, it's really, it's frasgis, it's fris,

I'm not, he's promen to, I'm, I'm, I'm doing, with a laser, so, if you know,

does you do you, you know, you know, before, you know, before, to go,

pass a bit of time with my lizard, pass a bit of time with the pair, you, you know, there's,

you know, you're, you know, you're gonna you're, you're gonna you're, They're not, they're not, they're not. I know the parake. I think that.

The shit is cool. I've seen a long time. I've seen. I've never seen. You know, there's any of the animals more precise for certain cases? For certain cases, and there are a lot of, we've got, VEWPa, Dimmigrant, let's, there that's been of Africa, of America, the South. So, ve, they're more habitual to tell sort of animals who are not used to have been to pets. We've got, oh, they're going to retry-shut. They're going to resorts with cats. They're going to be able to protect. with,

with, as a matter of, the chas you know, they're making sure it's,

it's not a lot of difficult, but yeah, there's for that the perroquet, it's not

the first because I want to they're going to they're a parroquet, a quackatoise that's really

a quackatoise, it's the parroquet the more challenging, the more emotive. The black

that with the gross craik, so, so that's a level, I'd say, expert.

So, so I've to know how you can't even if I you'll make that on the bra and the catatoyce is a

little annan who you don't know that's he's not the he wants she she.

She's been with the guys the guy the guy there's a totally. He's not even

it's a copy conform to you like it like you look like there's there's been in there's a

so I can't start with the cacatwears if I can't get to the guys a bit are you can't be able to

is there. If I'm capable to let me to get them, I'm doing a little bit of individual, that the prison was saying, he's not able to the tour of the prison

of Quebec, you'll have an individual and they're going to when it's not their affair, he'll cause all, I'd say, okay,

first session, second session. Wait, , wait, you're in the way, you, you know, I'm in the

zero-stressy. Yeah, I'm, zero-stressy. Yeah, it's, you know, zero, zero, zero,

zero, zero, and zero, zero, zero, so, the, guy confident, you know, I'm a man to make my cacatoise.

At the beginning? No, the fourth-year-old. Okay, the fourth-year-old. So, there, he is ready to, he's ready to, you know, he's ready to, so he flatted my cac-a-quette-o-s. My cac-quoise, my cat-o-wes,

demand not always the things of the good way. Ah, but, in a little bit, he flatt, he, he's, they're, they're all right to let's, so, he does, that, to continue to be to be flat,

or so, he depose his beck on the do-and, And we're saying he He'll cut up a dog. Oh, what's the What's the

thing? Why he does get the of the misal of to express what you want to

continue to yeah, but why he's that's bizarre, because you know, you know,

because you know, you know, you're also, you're not that I'm that's not that I'm

to get to I'm in but you but he doesn't always, you know, we're

we're doing we, you know, so, so, I say, sometimes, my

my case, there, my case, there's a miser to express to be in the way he's not,

he's not a little bit of the guy, you, there's a bathees, not my pantalalone, I want to,

and I'm not I'm going to, just like, okay, but there, I've got to get to get to

the parroquet, it's not to break his bow sullier, you know, but it's there that the choice

of the men of course, you know, there's been there, there's aigian, gang of rues, but it's

It's, no, it's important that the great chien, it's menacing for them. So, you know, it's not, I'm not afraid. It's correct. They're afraid. So, they're at other sort of animals. You know, I'm 18 animals, so it's really that I see well, the group. And then, and then, before the time of the party, I mean, many times, I'm at least, but they're atop.

You know, like, you know, they're dorm, my chien. They're not in trying to work. So, sometimes, during the day, it's, okay, they're not. They're all, they're doing. They're all, you're fed for this group that, you know? It's sure that a group like Protek

Relie to Relie to They're in They're in the energy They want to They want to be They're excited So the risk

It's more difficult As a group Togerie Because it's all You know, Not many TDA H There's

There's a You know Like he, Like he, like, Like, you Can't get He can't So he's

So, you're So, you're So, I'm Excuse me The Geku He's Not, you calm you, assoying you, they're all

all right, they're all right, I'm like, okay, a thing at a while, I'm going to be able to start if you continue to ager like that, because why he parse at his queue, you know, and then you explain that he parse at

because it's a way to be in a state of stress. You're also, how you adjusts? You know, you're stressed, he arrives to what? You're there's a lot to do you, there's a lot to do you, it's for that

I'm using the, it's not just I'm using the reptile or the little lizard for if it's the fun, we're a laser, it's a lot of animation. No, the lizard will be used because I want to have a discussion with you. When you're in there, you want to be you protecter?

How you're protecting? But the way of you protect, is it you do you feel like you're doing? You know, like, he lets me to be his cue. It's not person. You, with your pick, or you, on giving a cut to point, or you, you're protected, but you're blessed someone?

There would have you been another way to do you? So, the lizard, the gecko, I will use it in this context that. I want to have a conversation at this level that. So, each animal that I'men has something that amends to make some parallel, an effect mirror. Always, always, always.

It's not just the, we're going, it's cool, it's not so. You said that you're 18 animals at a total. Yeah, it's like my son me lanchetri. He's arretairetie to. They're all at home. They're all right in my mansion. I'm not on a farm. I live in a banyue.

So, there are these animals, like, everywhere in my house. And three chies, you have just three chien? I just three chins.

And you know, my chien, my chien, I don't after the parroquet, they're not in a little to be able to the same

house, you know, the same the same the same etage, not a lot. You have to do you,

just two o'clock? I've got four parroquets. You have four parroquette? No, I can't

not out of all right. I'm not, I'm a cat Oais, it's a clune and he's a a show, and, you know, I have a little perrush

a collier. Okay. She's often, I'm also with her, because if the guy, there's a boke of of ear in gold, she'll have to pack after, and you're far,

then you're not ready to go to KakaToyce, we'll we'll forget that, you know, so, so, like the little perrush, I'm just the perrush, and that's, it's a very much, you know, they have been

to have to have to have to try, so, so, so how I'm trying to work, that's, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, I've got four parroquets, I have two chinchilla. A little boulde, that's a little. The little boulte-to-d-d-dose? Of what can't you? The chen-chilat? The three F, you know, the three Fis,

Fee, Fier, Fighting, Farr Fass? No, I don't know. In a state of stress, we can reactive, so, that you fige, you see, if you're a menace, you fig, or so that you face,

or, so that you flee, the chinchilah, will fight, to courier, you, will part to courier. You, he arrives of what? There's a memeuque,

you do you're in your cell? You're going to your face. He's going to be in a caller, he will be

to be able to you know, to be able to explain because he's too to be able to he's free he's free

he has a business. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just for the audio when you say

he's just Julianne, excuse, yeah, no, it's correct, for the people who who are the audio.

Yes, it's a episode to to watch it, but I'm not that's not the time to have the time in the video. So, we're talking

to Julian, your boxer. I'm going to find entraned by Danny Belanger to simply canaan and then I go entraned

some cheneges and all, you know, for really, you know, you know, that my animals. You're going to train.

Yeah, I'm going to make to train, because you know that the formation continuing. The formation in zoetheperate, in any part

in any part of all the domain, it's primordial, but all that for to say that the 3F, Julian, has been to flee. So, so often he's not attached. Why?

Because if he has been a reason to move, if he's not well, if it's for that, as I said a little, when I'm going to there, you

have the possibility to flee, it's important for me, that's a reason. Because if he is attached and he has been

to find face. He could, to change. It's like a cage, that's a grugue, and there's a little baby

a cat-pats that's that's the dog is he can't he's not but what's he can

do you know he's not because there's a lot of you know what I'm not you know I'm a little

a little chien nervous squeezed in a corner is a more dangerous than a

great that can really to feel but that's chill, he's just it's plus

the other who gets to bite the door and you open to the other I'm

sure I know I'm I'm a little, but I'm calm, I'm relaxed. The other, he's not in a corner of a so, you know, when you're stressed and squeezed, you can become very dangerous. So, so, so with the chinchilla, these kinds of conversations I can have.

And it's fun that you're making the subject that the little animal or the little chien can react. There are some risks of conflict among my three animals. Okay. It's for that that gregers the environment in my formations. It's super important to gary the environment

when you're three chickens. If you want to conflict, you want to give them a nose, if you want to a ballast a ball of collagen, you're in the

cuisine, you're in a salon, and you're at at a tell place. The pot are closed. You know,

not stress, not a menace, nothing. But it's these be very parallel to with the guys in the guys

want to know my chien. Perfect. Attendate. If we let's a croquet at time,

Mr. Petit here, he will all all the he's the one in a minute,

the little piece of six livres. go to gogeney. And then, Julian, the boxer, it's let's

gronier after a couple of and then he's anna. So, he can groaned after him, but he pays

10 times his grosser. So, so he decided to make a pat and to it and it's

the conflict? So you, in the way, how it's the more the more, the, the more

the, the, how do you , how do you get you, how do you, how, I'm, is I'd like a chair, is I'd like a croquet.

In play, the middle of the place. In play, in the place. So, a guy who wants to launch a croquet, and I've tested a few, I've put in the sack of croquette, you know, I've made a guy out of, he has made a sack of croquet, I'm going to serre.

You know, you're not capable to get the consign, well, I'm, I'm going, in fact, regal the problem. You're obliged to find the, you know, you have the impression of the fact you're a professor of maternal? But, but, you know,

They're good. And they're very, and so often, the guys, I'm super proud of us. Because, they're going to say, what's it said, what's

she she she she's got to let's talk about a cracket at their, so they they're going to their own so I'm

doing it. It's a little until you, I'm going to know it, and I'm not that. It's not

not in the course, it's not what it's been in the course, but you know, they're going

to get between us and they're and they I like that because you see that there are who are people who have been to

serious. You know, and it's a moment of a moment of a day, it's a new work that you have a parent

each other every single I'm doing every time. I'm going to get 30-pice for me for pay the

food. It's not that I mean a carton, the crayons and then I have made the name of my

animals who parrens Julian, who parren, because Julian, because I talk often to my boxer,

you have some of the nouriture on the table, and there's a sack that's written to give Julian, why? To be it's

that's the same, that's not, exactly. I'm going to make the bottle of the bowl of, I'm going to

make these accessories, some of the when there's when you're in wing, your responsibility because you're the

parent of Julian, is what, it's assured that the Wednesday next, but that

you're not to be back you, you can't be to come to to be there, you want to get to

get to be a gattry, you've or in the bra of someone for not that croquet to turn to so you're responsible to say the

consign before. So you're responsibleibize? I'm responsibleis each person, so, they give a attachment. A attachment. So they choose

the animal that they want to parrennay. And like, you've got all explained. You know, that's so,

so they're they're all they're important. When Julian when you come to come me see, do me come to

me come back, you know, let me be my, time to you know, At all, at a time, I told us, is you just out of course

to get out of the contrary, that's, you know, you know, he's got, you know, that's got, that's been, that's got, I've seen, this guy that,

I know, on your side, but this guy that does come to, me to see, absolutely. He is good in the group,

he's good for, with all the world, he's you know, you know, that's, you know, that's, exactly,

and there's, and there's a impact positive on all the other, it's a leader in the group, so, so,

They're going to be a new group of six. I'll say, he can't stay with the other group also. You know, you're trying to say, okay, you know, it's a good. And I do it, he's really good, he does that, so, so, that. But they're all good, they're not perfect. And, I'm not perfect. My animals are not perfect. But the guys, they all get everything.

All, all, all, all. You've got. You've not. You've not. You've not. a, you know, I don't know how to

it's a feeling to have a feeling, yeah, I'm zero confidence, I'm not to turn the

to turn the to do to you. But, you know, the guys are also, I mean,

I mean, she said, she said, she'd be a girl, she, and she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, there's something that,

you know, and, you know, it's a, it's not it's, it's not , you're,

Like a chum, you touch not to a mademoiselle, you know, I think that's a lot, like I say, as there are some people who are saying, what's she said?

You know, he's got to their care, and they're and they're talking to, they're talking, so, exactly, so it

that's, it's very well, and like, everyone has a affinity with an animal different, pre-enone

and a, so, so they're so, it's, it's, it's really, you do so, you do so,

you do so, Yeah, I do that all. I have my little little my little

have you an intention to be able to form to teach, to find out large in more in more

in prison. I'm, I know that you do you know other but we know,

because I'm that's for sure, because it's not something that's not something we're not something

I'm didn't, I'm positively because you know, I'm, I'm,

I consider that all what you can be done to to be in to be in to get a and just to

get to get to get to do you know in prison and I'm I'm saying sometimes it's just that it's

I'm at I'm at I'm sorry I'm going to see in two weeks and I'm going to get

to get to it's it's a but I'm to think it is that is you would be

that's your plan to say I'm I'm just I'm just Prison, and... It's that, my objective. And there's one of the prisons

that I'd like not, but it's a case that's quite, you know, all the detainuaries for a three months of evaluation. If we,

an appeal has been and the response was not here, it's all right, it's all the way, it's all the delinquent sexual, and the autotone.

You know, it's a, it's a problem, it's a lot, it's been, it's the answer, it's the way that we're

not, um, You know, to try. Try just, it's it change, what, that's been for the delinquent sexual or

or these autotectone. No, no, but, that's because, Chris, it's, it's a boy, and the racism

coming to... Really, really, a thing, a good news, it's a great. In fact, it's a...

I think, it's each director of prison also who are not over to that, but I think

you're trying, and you're just to try, you'll just the essay, you'll understand, it's,

what we life, it's it's it's it's and I'm always,

it's really, it's like, last year I'm having a guy who's sure that's not a

sure that's it's not it's not, because sometimes I'm because I'm people, it's like,

it's like, it's like, he's like, he'll be not, they're not my questions, he's

completely, and I'm, I'm, to have, to do you do you, don't, you,

do you, do you, do you want to you, you want to, and, okay, And I have a little coin snake

And then you want to Do you want to do you? Okay, perfect So, like I'm doing I'm doing like I'm like the main plent I'd like two seconds Okay

45 minutes later, it's where you've got adopted I want one But I'm going to No, no matter I'm going to reach to you can't

you know That's just 30 seconds I've seen by doing by doing I'll finish by something It's sure, so, so, so.

You're always To go, yeah. Yeah, the character the personage, you know, I'm just the animal, not the reason

of it's a little, you know, that's a carse bit, but you can't you can't, you can't, you know, the human,

but, I'm in the other human, but, you know, I'm talking for me but, you know, I'm, to be a great gaga,

you know, and it's easy to have the information, but not the information, it's easy to have the communication

with the guys, Because of, sometimes it's not perfect at 18 animals, you know, like I said,

I'm a lot of formation, a lot of for my animals, so it's good, it's a coach and

all, but there are some things, and then this time, this time, I've made an error,

I've done this thing, there's a affair, and there has been to have been to be a on my wing,

and then, you know, and he's that, he's not sitting, and I'm, and say,

I'm not that, you know, that's not that, I don't some of examples real of

me, of me that has made a error. I'm very vulnerable in a kind of a

sort, I'm also I'm, I'm, do, do you know, my animals are not,

yeah, that's not, that's that's, I'm not, that's that I'm a little

place, so, but I'm, so often, it's all the time, the parallel, the effect mirror,

it's really, with the animals, it's really the way that the way the way, the way,

especially when we're, have these groups, like we said before, you know, it's not the azotherapy individual, it's these activities assisted by animal, but it's not the flattage of animals. There's all the time

there's always, and I'm that's not like, I'm not going to know the company, for that I'm not sure, but, you know, at the fair of my feet, I'm going to, you know, and then,

you're having a turtle, a serpent, the furorid, but that's, it's, you know, it's a, presence animalia. It's a presence animaliar. You know, there's not, there's not, you know,

we're not, you know, we're trying, it's a lot, we're trying, It's a good. It's a great good. It's a great activity. It's a great idea. It's a bit of gyrs 14th.

Yes, that's that. And I'm doing in the enterprise. I'm going to do in these super-grossed and it's what I'm making these fish, you know, where's it that's the year, it's

that's, I do you do it, I do it, in an enterprise, because in an enterprise, because in an enterprise, I'd come not to do you, they're not, you,

don't want to start, I'm not, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to that, because they're,

they're talking to used to use to their fiends, they're sure- they're sure, but you know,

my animals are capable to be able to get to be able to be able to get to be able to get to I'm able to

I'm a few that's repose while with the other and I know the signals of discomfort to know

the signals of these animals, that's super important. So if I see that a cochondin

comes to have to be the rest of the rest of the day, it's finished. It's finished. The signos of

incofore the signals of I'm going to all the time Julian, because it's the same that's the

one who can it's a signos of uncofort you know byye, sort of the language,

the earis in the rear of the queue really, we're sure that all that all that

it's correct they can't they can't they can't they're they're doing some of some time

it's normal I'm with the people that you know with the people who know

the signos of power, the signo of I'll reticed my animal, I'll put in a room in a little piece, it's finished, you know, it's for that I visit all the time, when I'm with the animals the most easy, that's really, that's

that's really bad very very good, I'm going to do you know, is, is that the other animals will be able to come with the clients? That's, you know, I, you know, I, you know,

I'm also, you know, many people, you know, 80% of the people that I received, you're, at the base of the victims, what you've heard, when you did your course. I'd also

the victims or some of people who have had been had been in the group problems of toxicomani

so I imagine that's you're studied in victim ology. I'm going to get to get to

get to I'm really to get to get to get to get to get some,

let's say, some, some, the things like these things with things with some of

some of young, these young who are placed who have been victims of things like that is that

also, is that you have, you have done with this clientele that also? Not

a lot in general if they're in place in the PJ yes, but they're young,

yes, but the IVAC not the fray of therapy, at more to find

part of the order of the psychotherap which is not my case.

So, the people often are not more to suffer of the science

of zotherapy. So, unfortunately, it's not part of the so I've been not. I've tried,

I've tried, I've got some, the women, or men, or niport of who, victims of

violence familial or conjugal, I've tried to go to the house, but at

cause of allergies, you know, if we're visiting of their children at the

end of the not I'm not to get to get to get to I'm not

the budget. Tantor, we talk to find of their fund of them but the other, I'm not

arrived. And it's these organisms. Maloreus we don't we'll all over the depigy

of this equation that all these organisms there are not, they will often have a

bit of financing of the government but it's often it's it's

it's to go to get to get much of money a little everywhere.

It's a for a foundation of the I'm in a foundation of Stepan-Falue who aid the young who

get the people who are in 17, 18 18 18 years but it's that we're we organize, we know,

we get some some of these shows, these, some of some, I can't I can't

pay the pay the tax the building, pay this, pay this, pay this includes a lot of money

so it's sure that it's not the top of the list But, but at the time, I'm at the same time, I'm trying

that the base, you know, a twas, a twas, the vatement, it's the, it's the, I think,

I think it's, I think it's something, especially, people who are putting in the and they're, you know,

you know, you know, you're, you know, because when you're just sitting in face of an

human, and, and I, call me, it's hard, when the when the people,

all of your whole, all the all, you know, No, it's that. And, you know, I've, I've, when we've

talked to, we've got to tell you, Charlie, it's the name of my female, I know, and the name,

the same way, I had, the furret, and then my she had my feet, she, it's not

a young, actually, who's, who's got to be an animal, and he's that I'd

that's, so that the budget mensuel is of 10 dollars. So, like,

the poise, some the same , you, I ask, to talk, you, who I don't know,

but that's, finally, they're calling the mayor, the mayor me call, but that's all of the

business, we're doing that I'm in a lot of that I'm in that. I'm going to try to be the

same way, for the instant that's, you know, maybe the center of an animal, adopt an animal

for the group, it would be to me ask, it would be to be able to help please to help the kind of

animal that would be the person for a house, you know, for a business, you know, because it's

not all the animals that you can buy it, and then they're saying, I'm going to they're in a lot of time

of a moment of a little little cajone, and I'm in where? And I'm just I'm due to go to have

and I'm doing to get like, the foin is at all the day, a whole day, and there's

two little cochondin that's remands in a class with these elaves who don't

even not of fom it, it's the base, so it's not a good idea not

to be not much to it's I think that a stand of a genus could can't even to be able

an animal that's supervised by several intervenants, but it's all the question of allergy, of the coup,

of si, of that, that's the difficult. Have you croised these guys that you

have seen in the exterior? It was not, it's not happened, I've received some message,

in fact, these messages, not true, I've received on Messenger the sir of a guy who said,

thank of what you He's made, Salutation of Julien, Salutation Barbara, my friend, I'd like to bring to Barbarra, he's a heart

that's that's happening. So, you know, that's not, because they're in their family, it's because there's really

a impact. Exactly, and some, and there's even, you know, the camera, you know, the camera,

the camera, the son of detention, the guys are so much content to have a phone in

their cellul, you know, and I'm arrange that the three chien are with them, they're a

parroquet on the Paul, the time that's all the plough of those, I don't know, I'm mallege not the species of that's, I'd

not be able to get the little gecko at the carque, but the guy are doing a snack of yeah,

yeah, it's so, the gecko will be stressed, but the guys are so much because when they're talking

to their family, he'll make the photo, then they're they're going to talk to that, they're talking to

they're a little bit of their family, it's so it's too dron, because, these times, these confli

it's a animal implic a little you know, vomitted. A little bit. Yeah, so, so,

the photo are content to show they're to be able to see, you know, you know, you know,

there's a other than you, or, you know, like that, you know, like that, you know, and you,

you know, there's not person, you who's got contacted, to say, hey, when I,

you, when I was, example, I'm in, when I was, you're in, you know, and you're

there's, you know, I'm doing, I, you can't see, you know, There are you who said, even if you're

possible, you know, is you, do you think, is, is, you know, is there you know, I'm going to do this demand? No, I'd like, you know, on the table, you know, but it's not arrived. If, no, I, you know,

I'm going to, you know, there's one of my mom who has written on my page professional, so, I said, oh, I'm going to do, I'm going to do, she's, she, I'm going to

go to my son, you know, I don't, It's who's his his father? Thank you. And that's... That's... I'm sorry.

That's... I'm sorry. You do, you do you do you have to... You're in a stee of your type of...

Yeah, no, it's not, it's not... He's not... When we have... The feedback of, okay, I serve to

something, you, it's positive, you know? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm asking a question about the about, but...

Anacdote, you, prison, whatever, these anecdotes with the animals, with the guys, the things that have

a vehicle a little... Yeah, it's sure that, we're not the control on 100%... We've got to be a little bit a little bit of

a little bit. You know, a little bit, the difficulty, is that often the guys, tip, the passage, let's on, we're not saying,

that will not say that they're not going to get the eight in the time, because in a sector, it's blocked,

you, a livreation of drone, there's si, there's a, there, there, the toaster that's in

the toaster, that's in , let's, let's, let's, let's five, that's Cochondin, I explain the reglements, all.

And there's one who appears, so he don't the cochondin to the guy down to the other, but he had a crot. And the crotter, he got in his poach. So, the guy, he apparently, I said, hello, I'm present. I'm sorry, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm going to see that

in your poach. So, so he resour, he says, yeah, you, you know, you, you've put, like, you're in, oh, see, I, I thought it's to do ash. I'm sorry. No, no.

I was not. So the guys are all to part to the rave. Hey, but Chris, you let's not believe, it would have been to, it would have been, he had fumied. He would have fumed, he had fumed, but to gerry. Yeah, it's so. So, it's it's a lot. When I'm going to bring the croat,

the guys parted-pop, and they'd be, they'd say, ah, we've got to get the crot, and we've got to catch some of the cellul. So, the, so, the agents will be able to find out of the cochondine, you know? I think, I think, I'd think, I'd think, it's more. It's true. Exactly.

You know, it's an while there Julian, he said, yeah, Julian, will be doing

to find the bocali. Julian, in parenthes, yeah, it's the guy who give me

give me? Julian, you're Cooche? Yeah, yeah. I'm just I've been

to get to be a lot of things, and he ammend, the food for

my chien. Okay, but it's perfect. Well, so, so, so,

so, so, he's, he came he did, he did, in my pouch,

he did, And I'll explain why, because if I go in a school secondary, and the students are trying to eat with their sandwiches to jambo, I don't want to eat at the chis. If they've never go to jambon, I don't want to get a jambole, you know, so.

If you have... If you have... If you have... Professional, it's so. And also, the chien baff plus when he wants a nouritututteau of table. It's not what we want. Brief, he has come back, the guy,

a part of the message. So, the week of the time of the time he'll have with a tranche of jammon. He'd have with with the patate piled in his poachette, of pantalon. So, you know, again a time I'm sorry,

but not a patate pilly, if you've please, you know, to do you don't have to, anything, that's so.

No, it's that, some of the people are coming, some people, they want to salis, and they want to

lorrike, but I mean not that like that because of allergies, I'm bringing some of the

group, you know, it's correct, but they want, the intention is good, the intention is

they're they want to they're not mal-fair, they want to It's not a lot of it. But it's the little defeat.

If you're Charlie who's at the house, he's part he's my specialist of sound.

So, you know, with a group and he's made to make to make the noise, it's quite

that's funny. When Charlie decided to do that or, no, it's a point,

he part of a rube, he part of he part he'd probably he'd be every face

every yeah, it's so, you're so, you say, woo, woo,

woo, woo, so that's that's fun. But, as I said Tantau, you know, like I said, you know,

I mean put his dog in the Nuss, but I understand the reason of the

, you know, but there's sure, there are many people who are that they're , they're

having their face, because they're trying to have tough. And in same time,

I see that, so, so, so, I'm, that's so, so,

so I'm, so, so I'm, so, that's, that's, that, that,

not his patte on the but it's it's all the time of the time of the worst, it's not a

point there a moment of a moment of a point, like I was in a piece and it was

it really often in activities, the guys what they they're they're they're

they're going to get to the guy of the place to that's the first you're

there's there you're there, there the port had been barred and the guys

he'd come like, ah, Fouiannue at the point, I said, okay,

we know, we're in we're a thing, we're in a thing, and it's my chien,

my chiened, my chien, my chien, I had done, there's a point, there's a word of, you know,

it's a end of the , we're probably me, to say, it'd have to be a vance, you know,

I'd say, I'd go, you'd have to , you'd have to say, if, it'd be able,

I'd say, I'd be, in consequence. But, you know, I turn it in farce, we're trying our activity, we continue our activity, I guard the group calm, it's the whole objective. But, you know,

if I'm wrong, but you know, you do that, you know, they're afraid of chien, but he's going to get, you, it's my own time, he appears stressed, but, you know, I imagine that you know, the real visage, like I said,

it's hard to rest before, you, I'm, you know, we're, we're , we're doing our barriers tombs, you know, because we have no reason to to prove to an animal. The Nive, he doesn't

He doesn't know your tattoo He doesn't know Your hair He doesn't He doesn't He doesn't He doesn't He's not he's not

He's right He's right He's a He's a human In a child Exactly Exactly And you know

A tough Like you say Toff Toff, And you know That's You know that Rochant

Because with The agent He's not All the time He's always He's He had He had

He had He had He had to He made that He He made that A bivie Chin, I

Chian, I Chached And I'm with the guy, and he's at four-past. He's just a couple of a puppy with the chien. And the and the agents are there at the front of the window, and they're like

she's like, how she's, how it's doing, you know, but it's like you're going to, you know, so I've got to do you so, so I've reached to do, like, it's not the fault of the agents, they have their job to

and, and I, well, I, have my job to do, the two, we're... But it's an ambience, you know, you know, because for us an agent, it's negative, you. Yeah, it's so. And you're, you're an aspect

positive, you're a positive, you're a lot of it's sure that maybe the guys use probably the activity, but, you know, if it's not your activity,

it's going to, you know, to pass something a message, a new guy, an issue, you know, so,

so it's not, you know, it's like, me ask, he's always, they're in your name, in your

time, so, so, so, you know, they're not, I'm not, they're not,

they're changing, you know, but, you know, they're saying, you know, and then, yeah, with the place or the

people have you have you have you have you have been in the sense in the way

you're able to get to get to get to get to be able to get to get to see, because you

chinchil there I'm in the there's a check you examine oh how how you

your sack is you do you get used when you get used so I'm so I'm

can't that you pass in a machine like every every same

never never But not in all, you know, not in all, you know, just the chien, we have to be in front of flatted,

like, never, never, never, that's, it's, it's, still,

after four years, that's, you know, after the time, yeah, no,

no, I'm really, I'm really, I'm, I'm, I'm a little, of the little,

like, I just, I've been , I'm just, I'm just, I'm not, I'm a bit, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, and it's it's been

you know not about you're not a little bit to be a time of the end of the I don't know

if you're if you're in talking about you know what it's not about yeah but in fact Audrey De Rosier

is extraordinary she has written she's at the music at the at the museum the revolution

zotherapeutic yeah exactly so I think that that I think that someone that's that someone

that should really really actually really like not for not for it's really To understand what it's

And if it could be able to, let's an example, an organism. Yeah. You know, a director of organism, a director of prison, you know,

it's a live interesting to understand. And even, someone who will adopt a chie. Okay? You know, you've got to a chien,

but the question, because, I told him, to be able to train my animals, with who I'm to train my animals, to speak.

To understand, to be the person, yeah, because you, exactly. Well, being,

you're not, specialist in in a comportment animalier. You know, you're just to specialize in a

human with the animals, but you need to get the same to get the animals. Exactly. And there's

really, like, I don't know, I'm not probably, but how evaluate a good chien? You choose

to the who's the who's like all that's it's been for that and you have a lot of

the lapin the cochon in the you, you you have the language canine, you have

there's plenty of affairs and you have different sorts of clientele. So, with a someone who has a trouble dyspegillotice, someone who has, someone who's,

who has, people who are in general, so you're really these trouble of language. So if an organism is a question, or an

school, or whatever, is that the zootherapy is, you know, just that's not the demonstration animal, you know, it's really, zoetherp.

It's what, the therapy? We can, we, we see, the way, Clamant? So, it's what,

of the azot therapy, how it can be in with what sort of of the community? We've been a good shot

on. That's really super. I'm really I'm very much with Audrey de Rosier. I'm doing

when you, when you are in contact with my collaboratrice Catherine, you'll be the

link, the name, for the people, because they're viewed as they're with the

people, if they're not in the description YouTube, we're going to make this

list of I think, I think, I'm I just have been to re-adopted a chien, and I think it would have been something to be interesting. Magrary, I've made a lot of research,

when we've wanted a chie that, I'm not just, oh, I'd love, I've got to find a boy. No, I've found a chien beau, no, I've wanted to fit with our mode of life, you know, all that, but I think it's an interesting, but, I mean,

it's the other side, where, you know, you say, you know, it's the director of prison to take a certain decision of who, yeah, that's so. Yeah, that's so. So I think that it could be interesting, You even

have you even I'm even when you approach the organizations like when you you're saying no, no,

it's just the predate sexual of the people who is a phrase that's a but they're to let them

get a copy of the book to be that's like read it's like, read don't that

yeah yeah yeah yeah and you see, I'm gonna with the

director of the different of how it's you know, I know there's there's

there's there's there's material that that we can read to I'm but I'm not

I don't want to go in the I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to I'm sure my own

my objective is not to find out of stuff like I know and I'm and I'm my objective is to help

you know to you help you they're going to be better they're I'm I'm playing with

empathy and and you know I'm when I'm doing my so I'm not

I'm not that's what I'm they're not they're they're they're

they're not they're when they they're even if it's it's a period just one hour after,

two hour after three hours after, it's kind of that, it's kind of you know. You know,

you said, you said, you know, I'm a formation in victimology, in criminology, and there

you do it with your animals, is that you see, to work to work in this

domain that without your animals? Not my animals. No? No,

you're, you'd never, you'd not, you'd ever, Zohoterape. No, it's my partner.

Of one, it's my members of family. I don't know, you know, you know, you know, you're not,

you know, if I'm to get to get to get to your own to work, you, you're like fire,

ah, that's my my little children, my 18 kids' children, are all super

important for me, and I'm proud of them, and it's they're gross to

them if all if all to come to, it's it's gross to

it's It's a march good in the day. And you see, you know, and you know, because, you know, it's a rapid, right, the heurte, the heatherer, or the intervenant criminal, you know, you know,

there's encounters, these encounters, and then, you know, there's a, there's a resultantaner, instantane, you, it's a pain of, you know, I'm talking, you know,

every year, and the resulta, like, you do you, see, you know, they're, you know, they're not, you know, if you're,

, you know, , Dumbie, Oli, Julian, you know, I see, I've seen by the other,

I'm going to see, I'm going to see, I'm going to do you know, I'm not the guy who's not

the guy who's going to after that's Albert Prevo he's, you know, in the bar prevo he

will return in and then, he will get to see, you see, I'm in a moment of a

time in the he's all, you've seen to get to get to come a tele a tell,

a cell, that's that's the he's he's he's he's really, You have you a page Facebook

Instagram or if the people want to contact you? Yes, just simply, Charlie. It's because there are a lot of people who are in the field who, who,

who, who, that, I know. So, you know, I, I see, I know, I see that you're not to say to do you for the publicity.

No. And I'm not to do you do that interesting. You know, what's what that touch at least,

to all, of these people that I receive, well, to know, they're sometimes at what they've access,

what's they can't do they can't be in, what's the I think, I think it's good to know what's the

thing that where we're not access. Because, I've tried to get to get to enter and they've

had to be to get to return for other things to go to to go to get to,

and I'm and I get to and I'm, I'm, I'm, I had the , I have the

feet of and they're accepted the show but they're not accept the podcast. We're not accepted the tournage.

But, yes, I have the stories of the guys once they've got been to see, but we don't not access to them in the end in the time

while they live, but I think it's interesting to know certain things that can live in the out of the wing, in the cell,

in the world, of what, to what, that's for that that you're there, and the reason for the reason for

that I want to give your information, because if, if it's, if it's, if it's it's not

, it's it's, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not that's, they're going to be able to

make it, but it's, it's, it's a mindset, it's perhaps that, you have had a

, you know, that's, they're going, they're, they're not, because that's, they've got too, calm,

and they're telling, they're telling, and, you, and, you, it's, it'll do, it's,

well, more of, more, to let's get, you know, I'd say, there's a thing, you know, there's a thing, you know, and like, like, you know, a-you-old-you-old, you know, I've written, you know,

a-participed, you know, to program of zoethyrapy with, you know, the animals of, all-simple- Well, it's, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, in some, in a, you know, to do you, I'm plenty of tools of intervention, you know, What's the

represent today? What animal you're you're trying to identify? You know, like, let's see,

a lion, you see, he's seen in a mirror, and he's an impression to be a lion to pay 80

but he and pays six leaves, you know, but there's a man, I'm a morning, I'm going to

see, I'm going to be like a little a lion, and I'm just, there, I'm see, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, like the image, so, okay, so, so, like,

And then you refravee and you refravee mirror, no, it's able to make sure, you're able to be able to be verbalize,

and then it's going to be able to because it's often, you know, it's often it's a lot that, you know, we're talking

of recidivism, of a thing like that, but it's the intervenants, in a man, it's often often on

it, you know, it's the same question, it's the same same genre, it's the one-on-on-one, you know, okay,

we know, we know, we've not lived, it's something of different. It's the fun so,

so you rest open. Yeah, and there's so, and there's a animal that, and they're not, every time,

and again, and I'm, and I'm, and I do, that's my way, there's a thing that I

think, that's the thing that me could, and it's, to be able to be to me

to do well to me, and so, it's a little anecdote, but, like my person,

why a zote, why a why a zote she has had been, to have to have two chien, and you know, you've got to have a lot of

18 animals, you know, and then I'm like okay, well, let's, her, her, clientele, is all the time in school,

all the class primary, and it's two chains, well, I'm, the clientele completely different. You know, I can have

some of the public, cognitive, at the center, mental, but we're in a sense mental,

that's, that's, it's a other difficult, that's, it's not easy with the animals, but I'm said,

you know, the garage is all, the garage is all, When you repair something, you can't just with your adrift? You know, how to you're coming?

You know, you're doing? You can't repair it? You can repair what? Tadrille, and your novice, it's not but I'm even in fair because of everyone that I'm not far. The chien,

not just fine with the chien that I can't even with my chan or with a little other animal. So, so that's for that I said, my mom, he has latched preysm. I would say, I would say, I'd say, I'd say, to tell you,

I'm going to say, okay, I'm going to say, she's good, she's going to, she'll say, you've got to come here, okay, it's good, ma'amie, ma'iote. There's what, I'm, oh, yeah, I'm going to ask, but, in the case, it's part, it's herevenu. Cervo of TDA,

well, functional, medicament, thank you, much. You know, do you many other therapists? Personally, is that you can't, personally. Personally, personally.

Is that, there are many people who are in a center of detention? Is that you know other that they do they do. Yes, I know other. Like,

it's the reason because I'm not not a stand of detention for women, because I know the other therapist. Okay, you know

I'm going to, I know, it's fine, you know. You're not, you know, it's a guy, it's the

guy, it's not, you know, to get to see, I'm curious to see, is the only that's the guy,

I go, I go, or, no, and there there's, and there's, and I, before me,

you know, I'm four, it's, it's, it has a, animals, I hear often talk to the ancient

zotherape that's there's a time in a year, but the old doctorate, it's like,

I'm sorry to see to see, I'm in the idea, I'm having the feeling that she's she has been

more capable for those who have been doing the COVID has been a

last year and it's yeah, but it's but it's but these animals are still they're even

they're in their race, so yeah, it's It's doing. You see that you've seen a impact more

than you know to do this. It's not in a couple of years. It's not going to start to say,

well, honestly, I'm doing not to say, because honestly, I mean, I think that, I know that,

I know that, I know that you're able to get your life without to find a center of therapy, but

you know, to want to do we're to do you want to continue to push your studies there

to actually focus on that done to clientele, that, Bravo, because, you know, it's,

it's a very, you know, you're a , you know, you're a woman, you, it's like,

okay, what's, you know, and I'm, I'm, I'm, the reasons that you

push to to go, you know, I, I'm, I'm not, I'm, a challenge

personal, but really in a, a, desire, to, yeah, absolutely,

absolutely, absolutely, that, it's so, my attitude. And, and I, and I,

and I, that you I feel so cool that you do it, that there's, that there's, you know, that it's, and I feel like it's not just a job. You know, you know, you know, to change the job for that, you know, like, I, today,

it's my, it's my job, you know, but what's what's not, it's not, you know, it's like, that's like I'm going to my life, but I'm not the impression that I'm, I'm doing fun, I'm I think, I'm, I think, it's a podcast really different to what I do actually, but, I'm at the occasion, I like to see

to see, I'm sure actually, people who work in the middle, who are in the other angle

of view. Thank you. But, thank you. Thank you. And, thank you to,

the animals that are quite, I'm trying, I'm going to go. Yeah,

the index of the right. The right, the right, the right, the right,

I have with the right. Yeah, Charlie, it's every Charlie.

You can levy time, Charlie. You can on your appell. So we've had been a show you

if you've got seen it during the podcast but Charlie was there you're doing with the syrin of police.

Oh, and Charlie has passed on two two, years in pastime. Oh,

yeah? Well, it's interesting. It's the fun I'm quite to change a style of podcast

to find a podcast with the animals more soon. Yes, but it's so. But,

thank you, thank for what you do, and to be there for these guys to have

an impact in their life clearly positive. And, you know, I'll do often, you know, we'll make these tools in the coff of someone.

It's not lost. It's never perused. It's so, exactly. Well, if you have listened in audio, you have been making these little little bitty, I've been a parroquet on the pole, and then, I hope,

that you have appreciated the discussion than the visual of today. Thank you to all for the audience. Thank you for the quote, on the parloor.