Au Parloir - Épisode #128 - Simon Paré-Poupart

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

Dans cet épisode, on reçoit Simon Paré-Poupart — vidangeur, ancien intervenant social et auteur du livre Ordures – Journal d’un vidangeur.Un parcours brut, sans filtre, à la croisée de la criminalité, de la marginalité et du travail invisible. Simon nous parle de ce qu’on jette… et surtout de ce qu’on préfère ne pas voir. Des histoires de rue, de réinsertion, de réalités humaines crues, racontées avec lucidité et humanité. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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the, I've got, podcast Tomolavac, P, P.O. Forgett, you've been an inveter, I've been an episode, and there were, and there were questions that I had to be asked, you know, when I'd like, oh, and I thought that there had a certain angle to have to have my podcast, and, honestly, I'm

I'm glad, because it's really, I'm really, I'm trying to tell me interesting, I think it's interesting. I said, I've heard to talk with this guy there. There's been you've learned, you've made to learn some about to your life, to

do you do, at your your life, at what you do with this guy that? And I've said, okay, I've got with this guy that. So, me, today, I'm got, but I think that I got my invite also, because, I've tried totally interesting. I've found it completely

fool your parkour school and the fact that you should, the main

term, we can't do Vidangerer or it's a bit pejorative to say, Vidangerer. For

to write, the book, first of very good intro. It's that comes super well.

It's really pleasure to be here. And I retrace a bit a genealogy

the origin of the word and vidanger is very Quebeck. So, if you

you read, we're rigged by a Decret, the Committee Paritare of the Iboire of Montreal. There's a decrees It's called, Deboarre. Heboire, it's the person in arre of the truck. We like to say a helper.

A helper, even other metis, we'll go and be able to the chauffeur. But, in Quebec, it's vidageur. It's a lot. It's the term. It's on the terrain, it's what it's worth. And it's it, it's a moment, in New York, on Montreal, we've vidangue the rue. Okay. And, then, it's transformed, I think, to say, we're living in,

we're rameau, we're rameau. But I just be sure that, you know, it's not a term. It's a pejorative, I mean. They're going to be Fierre, no, but, you know, but there's some more, you know, I'm saying, I've seen a minute, who I've got to say the word

mu, the other, and I've made it, I'm saying, but, you know, that's it's been a word that we've that's been able to, because it's a rapport with the mule, that's not an animal

very intelligent, so, so, it's for that I'm just to be sure to not be someone, to be someone, to be able to be, before to enter in this macket,

before to return in your life, which, you've, you've, you've been, the I'm not a

real lector, but that's a book that's a book that I'm going to read absolutely and I'm going in vacance

in a I want to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to have to have with me in the Caribbean

and I'm am making a put up with with a carriib I'm I'm

I want to I'm with my invo it's sure that's sure that you're not the

partco typical of my invite but I want to understand a guy

who has a lot of baggage school because we have an idea preconceu of a guy who goes in the truck of the vanguard. Idee preconciled, when I'm listening to this interview

and that is one of the reasons for the you're there, which is kind of veridic. Yeah. The difference in social between stereotip and prejudge, the stereotype is true, it's saying the idea that we're

done an venegerer, it's true, but it would not say, the prejudgeer, it would say that would say they're all just like that. That's false. So it's so to have the idea

that's you have to think we're because I'm not a friend of course because I'm not a friend of a class, he has been

he has made a choice to ramace the vines, so really he has played that in all the domain we can do it's a

stereotype prejudiced, it's the basic you know, you know you know it's

on camera, but do me the list of your background schoolaire? Yeah, I've made in the fact a back in

psychosocial And then, for attach to that my life, I mean, I've got been in situations of poverty, grand poverty, alcoholic. My colleagues also,

I saw you would have in a little of a class social than I'm so, I had an old class to help in the education.

So, so, in doing back psychosocial, I've put a master of management, for eventually even to be

even to be intervenant for the Croix Rage Canadian. So I've managed to do that, and I've made

a little literature for it's a help, it it's a lot, it's the article. So, it's my

parkour, but I've always made of the parallel, I'm doing it and then it's always

what I'm the most like I'm when I'm when I'm a guy who's not a guy who is in

psychosocial that's that I'm in the carolice. You can't? It's it's true.

I'm going to come back you to say, you know, you've been to come to tell you

to tell you to talk about a bit to tell you a bit of but it's what your debut? And what's what

you're doing? And what's in all right? We're in time because you're a guy extremely occupied you know, so you're doing

a lot of stuff, you have something after you're so I appreciate the time that you know, and we're

optimising to the maximum. In conference I made a video that I've made a video with Kogeko Immersion

in the Vindonerer or I'm with me a other Vidangerer Steve. Steve,

I'm, I'm talking to Steve, I'm going to talk to me, Steve, in fact,

is a child of the DPJ multi-pocha. In the phone, he has been placed a lot of their life, there's been in the video,

it's to show to show you're in that it's a 40 years, and it's a model for for the people, but I

think even a model of society. And I'm to Steve, because I also have a little that, we're the two

arrive in the vidange because of an origin social. I mean, I'm not a vidangue, we're

doing, we're it doesn't by an origin And then I was a reference to an study that had been in France of Luke Boltonski,

a sociologist that we studied in social, and he said that the medicine engender of the medicine. And we see often, literally,

like a doctor, sometimes. And it's a lot. And it's a lot and it's not for a thing. So the same thing, I have

really the family, it's three generations of vidangere. And there's a guy in mind. He has decroached, I think, at 14, 15 years,

of the school, it's a, my little, he made a bit to be battalue, he's not too obeisance, and finally, you know, if he had decroached the school, he l'clock, he'll have crossed, he said, you've got to come to

courier. And, and, for those who have rambled, they've got to find violence to his son, of a way, but at time, it's a lesson, also, of education. This guy, he's rendered super well-placed, it's a friend, he functions very well in society. So, I also, I've used that, and I think that, and I

permit to certain people who have I've been with these traumatism at infance, to be exprimed in an arrearar of a truck. So, I'm going to work in a formation.

It's not necessarily your parkour sportive, because I've got to be four-session, I'm in three times, and the next time I'm going to see

no way, and it's no way to go, clearly I'm sure that after two rue, I'm like, man, I'm not, I'm not, I'm any malle, I'm

able to get to get-a- and get-garche, and get-gare-th, and get-gare-the-cack, and get-gare, and you're and I'm hollied, and I go ahead and get-a-dragette, but Chris Corre, to gore, mount, to descend, what's a name?

Because, in the fondance is imposed by a truck or by a run. You know, when you're trying, you're trying for your rite, you'll have a coach. But the particularity of that, and it's certainly that's not that you're no encouragement to do, that. It's to say, even if you go to 200 kilometers in a week, you live 250 tons, but all the world is on Christ. There's person who will, you know, to give a tap in the door, who will you have to be a tap in the door, who will be able to be able to be a

motivation intrinsic. It's a part really to you know. After that, there are two types because there are the origin

social, there are many there's because there's a lot. But in the time it's a very well

employment. In intervention, we call it the reinsertion social. It's a very great job, because if there

had a consumer, that had a casier, it was a employee that's it was a employee that

I'm going to come back to until, because it has been part of one of the

reason for it's like, I'm, I'm, I'm the crochet young and all I'm just a I don't know why, and I'm

a minute the business of vinegerer is come to someone of my family, and I'm, you know,

I'm, like, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm not to say, I'm not,

but I'm quite, you're quite, I'm still, and we're a, it's a, it's a

place, you're doing, you're doing, you're doing, you're doing, so, so, so,

you're bad , you're just, and everything, and honestly, it's been long in the middle saying, hey,

I'm going to that's a lot of that, so, so it's always like an option to say, hey, everyone can do you know,

in my type of, like, everyone can do you, like, you're like, who's like, it's accrochein on the rear of

the truck, you know, you'd imagine the bi in red, and then you know, you're imagining

you're trying to be you're in five minutes and it's, so, so, so,

so, so, I'm, I'm, I'm sure, that it's a that's a way.

And I'm in my thing, you know, I had this option and I'm in saying, I'm not financially that I'm not,

financiallyally, that I'm not going to do with the school, I'm going to go to do with and today, I know that's

not made for a lot of in the army that's not to get in that's a guy, and saying,

well, we're not not going to be trying to and I'm going to be a cheye, but I'm

but I'm, but it's, you know, it's interesting what you did, because we had been a little

and that you've even conced, perhaps, the possibility conceptualized the idea that you can do it, but there's a lot, there's even not really not

not really to be a day of the thing that. So, for that, it's like this employment there, and then I'm also,

as, as, as I'm saying, my mother, well, she didn't, she'd want to that I'm because it's dangerous,

but, when, when she said that, it was, that, it's, it's always in opposition with your

parents, it, and I'm just, if, if, If I, I mean, I suppose there's that there are people have to do have it, but not me. It's like if, I'm more than someone else.

And there's the employ that are made for certain types of people. And then I'm said, no, that, I'm, it's not, it's not worth, because there's person of more than other. So, there's not a employee that would have been attributed to a person more than one other. Totally, exactly.

And what I can't understand, that someone who has grown in a house in Westmount, face, I'd ever get ever to go ahead and a truck of evidence. I understand that. I'd say, you're up there, you're up there, education, you know,

but I'm sure that there's a people who are not quite, if we go in the class social,

who don't know to go to but they're going to, I'm going to never, you know, but okay,

so you're to be more on the aid social or to go to work at to do you have to

get a because you don't know because you don't have to be in a croat in a crotet?

You know, I'm the impression that's the time, at the old society than the

base society, I have the impression that's seen as, well, no, person who will do that? And there's a time of the job I think it's more glorifying,

paying, to do you know, to find that flippe a burger at McDonald's. It's, I mean to see, I'm sorry,

I'm back, 20 years, I'm abided of a great violence, and to be able and to work, it's

true, because there are a few of a new that's to be able to get to all this,

you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, because apparently we we've been from the same

coin, you know, you know, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, the young Simon,

you know, you know, you know, your father that's, your parents are separated young?

Yeah, so, that's not so, you've been, in fact, I've tried, because,

my mother, when she had seen my mother, she's, she's been in B'Hourke, not very long

, you know, so I'm, so I'm, so I'm, I'm, I'm, that many know,

I think that when I say that I'm talking about, I'm talking when I'm in the alcoholism, the travel

social in the point of longuey, they are very familiar with the end of alcoholists because there

there's a lot of but I'm like, but I'm like, what I think, of young do they want, they've used to

try to save their parents. So, I'm at a moment, I've been having my father, Daniel,

and that's that's what has made, is, I'm I wanted to see to see what I'm trying to

try to understand to understand the alcoholic, a syndrome of Corsakov. Again, once, the travel social, you know, it's what, a corsocove. It's the person who decompense

and develop, in the front of, in the front of, you know, inhibition, the memory, liais to the consumption of alcohol as a delirium. Deryum tremendous, that's a species of mom to get to be so.

And then are full of longue. There are plenty of institutions. It's these young, the young, persons who are demant, like, it, it's a lot of Alzheimer. So, so, for me, it's been, I've been so.

I've gotten to me to occupy to my father, Daniel, at 20 years. more, and it was to make my son, in a row of position. We were only in the apartment at 14, 15, 16 years. So, we were in a dynamic of long-eye, very, very difficult.

And I was being preserved by the choice of my mother of the time. It's a day, when she decided to let me preserve in part. But after that, you can't not nying completely your origins. But it made also permit also to have a certain distance with this reality

and to be an actor of a milieu social difficult. The idea of interventional social, I was trying to understand what I'd have to understand what I was trying when I was in the vidage that had there were in classes social, and the class social had the dynamics, the problematic that were completely different

of where I was here in the banlieu. So, all that was like a piece of knowledge, a reflection on what I lived, and the education me had permission. That's that that is beautiful. Have you, have you, a syndrome of sover? You know, in the sense, you know, I understand.

Syndrome of Sowares or Syndrome of Comprehension Human? Yeah, I think it's more so, because the syndrome of soverer, maybe, maybe, to be it, to be a young, when I tried to help, but I've been able to realize that it's not my mandate, it's not my function in the life, and I've made, as a lot, I've made its limits, because, like, it's an intervenant social, for, for, for durie, for, you're in a measure to make your limits. So, it's like, I'm as well, I've got as far as far as in the job,

to the job, when there's these difficulties, I'm not in the time. So, even if there's

the difficulty, and that's, for the question, I think we're that's a moment of a moment of a moment

of the time, even if we're a good care, we see the things, we know the things,

we've been to think about it's a time, we're talking, we're talking, we're talking, we're talking,

you know, one of the researchist, in a parenthesis, in a part, she, she, she, but, you know,

I'm a bit that, it's a way, to make a barrier and a limit. Because I've seen the quantity of people who contact, I like, I'm too the human. So, if I'm, if I'm

too willing to receive, I'll have too difficult to say, no, because I'm, I'm going to be absorbed, and I'm going to do, but I can't receive all the world, it's impossible, and, and, I mean,

time, I'm saying, it's because if you're talking directly, there, you're, you're, you're persuades that you will finish parvenire. So, you know, I'm not the choice to, you know, I also,

I've got to make a certain barrier, because, you know, it's, it was, it was, I mean, I had to talk with someone, and I said, a day, you'll probably I'll see if I'm going to be with, and then I'm going to be with,

and then you're talking to, because I'm talking to, I mean, I said, so I'm talking about, you know, and you're getting a bad year, you know, and you're, you're kind of ado? You know, when you're,

with your mother, all, you know, because, you, sometimes, you, we, can, you, we're, we can, we're, in which, you, you know,

you know, so, you know, so, is a pattern that, you know, is a pattern that you're repeated, or you've gotten to you barres to

your life, the alcohol, it's not a life that you want to be in the mentality if you're not the mentality,

if you're not that's more real, there's more in the reduction, and the control of their consumption. I'm not

much because I've retrace the genealogy of my family and my father, my real real grandpair,

my grandparent, my grandparent, my dad, my dad, I said, fuck, most I'm that's assing.

And I've had used germinal, Germinal, the demisola a grand a great writer

and he said, he talked of tarr, of the tarr, of the tarr, of the tarr, these are in the

family, and there he did in the phone that they were just like the alcoholism in a lot of it's not

a scientific, but I'm doing that, I said, it's my family. So, I'm a stop.

So, then I'm just to be dry, that's, to get to time, you, have a posture there

in the sense that each person that each person that's every person, but I'm decided to

to be sure to be sure to not succumbed or to to come in the same cycle, in the same pattern that I've got quite quite quite

it's more a chance because I understand that there's not their case and there's great respect in the sense if we finished by some you've taken to

this decision that, young, by par par par no, no, no when I'm talking when I'm by fear, it's by

of you know, to be that to sombre, that's what I'm not by fear of the crime, you know, a crime,

you're trying to find, okay, if it's in me, I, I don't to discover if that's it's in view.

You know, like I've seen many people with who I'm saying, I'm never batten in my life and I'm

not going to be able to if I'm going to be the violence that I'm engendry. So,

it's a bit that, to do it to do you it's so, it's so, it's so, because the

people that who I'm that I'm so and I'm the data, you know, yeah, but,

yeah, but, I don't know, I'm not some other person also, but an aversion on

alcohol, It would say, it woulder, the odor, the center, the people, alcoholized, but queried. So it was, it was a bit easier, in my case, to me on to maintain, so. So it's not been like a crane to, I'd scumbed in front of me,

but, I'd say, I'd have not, there'd have to, you'd have to, say, presson social, or in a party, me incite to consume, and I'd have done , and, and, other, when, when,

when, when, you're, when, they'd say, the alcohol, he'd like that, the cigarette, he'd like that, you know, the pressure, of the practice is and that's it's been

in sociology and that's in the phone it's the initiation to rite of passage in the group that's that you're making to

consume or not plus that by my own my own time I'm just it's disgusting I'm forced to respirey

and I'm I detest it but my chum did it was a beer man I'm sometimes I'm

verse a little to cast a bit more I'm detested that but you you take a habit of

and it's It's real that you say, you know, the world so I'm in too, I'm too, and what's

what I'm that's what I'm to make up these nerves, and I'm tap my with, I'm like, I'm a

Neste layer, me, I'm, you know, I'm, it's a, I'm a lot of you,

you know, you've not to do you, I'm not by problematic of consumption, it's more than, I'm,

more, I'm, it's more, I have no problem of consumption. It's when I attain a certain limit, it's,

you know, I'm going to I'm a high, oh, I'm a 180 degree, you know, I'm not 180 degrees,

it's like I'm fouscent. I'm really more, but it's not, it's not good, I'm, but,

it's the inhibition. But, that's it, so, so in the society, I, I, control,

I'm my inhibition, but the alcohol, and I, and I, and I, it's, it's, it's,

so, That's that. Exactly. It's a good It's a good. And so, that's important. And,

and bravo to you, because there's there's a lot who's been sitting and who's got just repeated,

and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, that's used enormously of violence,

and who have transposed that, you know, the young who have been been beaten by their parents and who

have repented that, you know, not at certain level, but at certain levels of violence psychological,

physical, physical, with the people who are people, even if they're because, you're doing it, because, you know,

I'm doing, you know, but you know, but you're never in, you've been able to have really, you've really,

you've really preserved. Effectively. It's has made someone that's implanted in the studies

and in his choice of life. At how how I'm to come the mitier? Abouer?

18 years. At 18 years? Yeah, You're a company, is it to the city, is it the city, is it still the city, there's a company privy? You know, it's still, it was, it was my father, in the front, but there

also my beau pair, that I've that I've seen, it's a lot of year, and he was with my mother, and he, it was, for those who who knew that, in the years of 90, it was an amman of Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's the generation who tripe on Arnold,

who had trained, who could bring certain substances, of the proteins. So, he had a vision of the masculinity, and, well, my mother me superproteged by the pair that I had. So I was really the little

guy's son to my mom. I think it was a little bit, my beau pair. So at a moment of a day, you know, I was pretty into the old, I saw my thing

that worked not pretty much pretty good, some of the endgeal because you're been be able to be fair

to who you're in but when you play not, it can't you challenge in your identity. That, that,

that, I was, it was that me pose as, like, it was, So, now, the beau-par, I'd be

to have a moment of a day, what I'd do you know, what I'm going to do you know, and then you... Mange of the pot,

Pussed the font. Well, it's a little that, and I said to people, he'd have not could be

to be able to be a to be able to be the he'd be not put me to be, and it's

what he has been and frankly, he made up because he he was, you could have to be able to

he'd be to work, there's, he had to colleague of reclacage. You've made say, it's tough. You're going to

get to start to your zone to comfort. It's that he was going to listen to do you like that. I mean,

I had not my free of schoolarity paid. It's a payy a yeah. I'm going

again again again again, Freud, he talks of sublimation. When you you see

the difficult, you have to get to be so I'm so I'm so I'm

doing a good, I'm he said to go and he's he had to it's like

that I had come that it's So it's been for you've got to start to do some nerd in his

room who doesn't he doesn't he's in love with a girl who would never go to go to and he's

the profile yeah, yeah, so you, the first day, the first day? The first

day, at the time, it was, um, 18 hours of the time. Which, which was

5th, January, yeah, 7. Maribel. It was 40, 20, Marabelle,

7 hour the morning until at midnight. 18 hours of work nonstop and I said I'd listen germinal

the miners in France during the revolution in New Year in fact yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah

yeah not like the people who people who are the people who yeah yeah and I'm really the impression to live my

revolution industrial in the sense I don't know that I mean not that's a matter of in the years in the years

in the years could suppose you could suppose that a person to work just over nonstop in courant

and moving and living the change so I tripe. I've really had a pleasure because I'm going to be a lot of

there's a lot of George St. Pierre has made any of them he had made while he had during he he had,

while he had for New York, for New York yeah, yeah, I know the history of when he was a young, he

parted to St. I don't know where where's he had he put in the top of New York

to go. I didn't he financed that I said I was on the States. I got on the

I've seen there's got who are there, I call it the sportives rated, because the actuality had made a good dossier

there's, you know, the sport, is kind of a machine to bring to the world, in the

sense that's, there are many, in their young who are percy, but they're so, but it's like

you, you, you're kind of your form physical, at 20 times, you're the desire of the sport,

so, so, to be there to be able to it's, it was never, it was never, to be able to

be able to be a few people, to be very very known, Etienne Boulay, that I after the sport, it's there that

had had been in the excess, it's not a guy who consumed in the excess, and all that, it's a guy who's an guy who's intense there, he, and he, and he's a retrait.

The TV, we're saying, to do it, and make a TV, and so much, and it's fair to enter into , there,

there's a lot of, it's chierre, you know, it's sure that there had these opportunities more payante and interesting

that they're going to get to the kind of of thing, you're, you know, if they had

been in the money it's maybe it's probably it's probably to get a yeah, and there's a lot of people

there's really there's a lot of the guy of there's a lot of the people who are there's a lot but they're disappear from

and they're and they're they're not they're not like something like something like you know you know,

you know, you're talking to you know what you know of the job that's I know how to I'm gonna and I'm gonna

a job that I'm that's gonna be that I'd be able to I'd like that I'm going to crochet the You're going to be a new year to, and I'm not very, you know, but you know, you're doing the road, you're not, you know, I think it's a new media that I'm for that because I'm not on a, you know, I see, I see, I see, there's a signallerer,

sometimes. It's not a job, fast. Yeah. You know, do have frayette in the truck of vidange, but when you don't have fret, you stay in your corner, and after, yeah, you can go to work. Yeah, it's a job fucking tough, but at least, you know, you know, you're off, you know, You know, you see, you know, he's past something physically, you know. And the guys, he me say,

they'd say, I'd never have my place on a ban of school. It's that they'd say, I'm not able to, it's not quite, I'm stressed, I'm not at my place, it's for sure that they'd be a bit of DDA, that. Well, I'm going to be plenty,

sincerely, there are a lot of my team, there's pretty that, no-diagnosticated, but they've found, you know, a great fashion to be what they're, without, without,

to be judged, and, without, and trying to enter to enter into the cause which he fited not. And your first day, so you

do that, and then you do that's tripped. Yeah, but in the first day I'm in a yard of truck.

Literally, I was on the marchopier, after 18 hours of the time, I'm sorry, I'm in, I'm in stomoling.

It's like, it's dangerous, that? It's dangerous. At the beginning. At least, it was more at the time,

but it's sure it was dangerous. It's all it's a job rough, and when, when, when, when the leave

is parue, because there it's, it's it's probably like the certain things that I talked to them. And what I said

to go, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's a lot of, it's the same that I'm trying to explain to say that. So, yeah,

it's sure that there's a risk, but there's, there's a lot of, there's in the army, the risk, but it's,

but it's, I think, the guys like, that's, yeah, it's, you know,

there's, there's, there's, it's, it's going to be, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, it exists, more, it does not, I don't know be declared a time,

you know, in the case, because I'm not a necessity, it's in a company, there's a guy

who are in the truck. I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, a logbook, when you're doing, a crock,

being able to be a croce on a truck, not an , you know, to admit if you'd have a shere

to, you can't, you can't you can't be, you're, you're with a little hammack

in the rear in two years, but, but it's so, but, yeah, you're brueled,

I have the impression, because, in fact, it's real, I was doing, but the guys that I saw neither the physical, nor the habit of, that we're in an Arnold Schwarzenegger or an player

of hockey professional. I mean, I think to Andre, of St. January, he'd had a beden, he'd gore in beden, there'd be a

beer on the side of the truck, and he'd gore 18-hour. There's... Like, a sandwich of a day-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- I'm like,

I'm like, I'm the impression that I'm in front, and I'm trying to me far demolire by Mr. André. So, like, I'm overversed

in my repair. And then I said, okay, there's a other sort of form physical, and it's been what they're

in a measure to do they do they do they do a boy Quebeccoe, we call it like that, it's like the

rage in to the and it's like, it's like, it's that it's remount to long to

I'm not, the culture of the boucho, the draver, the time, all the Quebec, we have been this culture

that, this culture that to work, and far, it's, and it's But the core of the human is

so much adaptative It's a few You know, I'm, you're a guy kind of in form physically

I'm a good shape, I'm a good muscleature I'm 44 my beauper has 72 You know,

he's still he's still he's still and he's skis and so and it's this year on buched

to buched to buched I think I was cuted 12 buched I'm finish Ben red

And he He's a Conde at a bush Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'd have to I'm in Estes

physically I can Leve a trondable Not more than it's But, you know, But the car Sadaap

Because it's a Because it's a Mr. He's a manned But he has Always been active, He's always

Bucche de Watt The Fats Sameds at So, So, So, so Andrere, he's

Fererella, He's been Even if he Caffe Clop, you know, his jaw have made

that, okay, the car will just to adjust in terms of you know, you're that's a reason to that's a so I know that's

so I'm in the sense, the energy, the musiculature for doing that yeah, so you know if you're not

not being a sportive at the base, you know, it's not because you're a sportive that you're that's not,

so you're doing because you're in form but someone that's in one of the first year, you'd have

certainly after after eight hours you'd say, well, I'm just, decoled, it's finished. It's finished.

It's finished. It's finished. It's finished. Yeah, yeah. And then, and I mean, and I mean, I mean,

and I said, how do you do they do they find out and they're pretty? And then, that's what I'm saying,

he'd be about the film nervous, the firm muscular. Well, there's a consumption also

that could help by the moment, but, but, yeah, but it's, but it's really

the rage in to the guys, they could not last they could not last, because there

there's not other opportunity not more. And in sociology, we're talking of the trajectory of life,

that's a person has a proper trajectory, and there's a point turning to that make you always to be in the more,

you know, and these guys when I used their history, it was always to be in the job there were able to

get to be to be a job, because you could occupy an employee in being that they were

not, it was not, it was not that you have been the job, we to be there and that's at the

time you when you're when you're young when when you're when you're at the time where you

is at what you He's who's who's the guy with who you're doing? Ah, rapidly, the first day, it's

a few. Yeah, it's a question. You know, we're a shock cultural, it's a shock of class social

because when, you know, that's what I say, I mean, I say that I'm a par alcoholic, but when I say that in

Vildoge, all the world, I'm in school, if I'm a par alcoholic, I'm studying, you know, the people, the rapport is

completely different, because they're all different, because they're all the part, at the point, there,

20 years, it was, story of life, you know, petted to be the trajectory of the way, like I

know, it's always, to get the people, you know, your own, you mean, in the sense

that's, you talk, you know, and they're, like, it's me, you're talking, yeah, you're,

yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, it's, you know, it's, it's, you know,

that's, they've been, , so, so, like, you know, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you, you're, you, You know, so, so that in a time, you work with these guys who have who have been in front of,

and you're trying to what he has been to be a period. When you start, when you start, when you're doing, but we do the history of life, so, I've made a crisis

suicidary, by example, I've been intervalent in crisis, suicidal, and then, you do you do a little history of life to understand, to understand,

to understand, how, when it is being to be intented, to his life. And when you do, that, it does tell you

that's the empathy, it's humanity, it's, to render the humanity to the person, and it's difficult to have just an idea of the type, oh, he's cave, he has said that, or, ah, he is only one thing. We call it these things, we have the idea, and then, after so, we're saying to start at that. And, me, I'm saying to do with the guys, you know, I preening their history, and in doing that, you'd have a lot of respect.

Because you'd say, I'd have not done it, if I had had this life, and it's the reason, I think, for which we don't connect not a lot with the people, because it would be a chance that, we've had had, and that they'd have had. It's that, in the full, I'm realizing in the carmion. And that's

to try to find out to find out of the world in the book also? Yeah, really.

And, you know, I think, I think, what you talk, and what you feel like your

book, it's a bit what I'm doing with my podcast also, you know, it's,

to get some, you, you know, you, you, you, you're, to try, you're, you're trying to

the, I'm trying to try, the parkour criminalized of the , you, to reinsertion

and of rehabilitation. And I think, you know, because you say, you know, we're just, oh, it's a person who's suicidal and we'll have it, you know, like when you're in detention or you're having a liberation conditionally, what they're on, it's a dossier.

Yeah, it's that. It's your own-not-torn-to-docile. It's, you know-not-tondon-dose-to-vis-vis. And, you know, I've been in the system and who makes, it help my job differently. Because I try to think a bit out-of-the-box The dossier,

yes, you don't have the dossier, because the dossier is there, but I know the story of this person that's what I'm

in a view of and I'm in a lot of 90% of people who I have seen have been able to have been in

music, you know, I'm a bordeaux, vidange, Bordeaux, Vidange. In the same, Bordeaux, at a moment,

it fornice a little Vindcheer, it's a bit Pene, but still, but, but, but,

but, you did, at the guy, you were to make the people, the most the most useful of the society.

It's a day, there are people who are in the university, that's the people who can question the utility social, because there are some people who are nuisible to the society, but you,

even if you're a case, even if you have not a book, but you've got the choice, or perhaps you've got the choice, but in the case, but you

rest in one of the employees the public the and we don't know any value social. I think that there's a

anthropologist, who has made a league that's called bullshit jobs, who says justly, in group, that it's not

because you're an education, that you will have an employer-utile. And there are even, even, when you question, and it's so that's the same, you've asked in the bullshit job,

it's a job, that's a job, that's a job that's that's not, if you're going to be in a conge, all the world's in your work, your colleagues, and there there's a lot of,

but it's the people who have a grand schoolarity. Enlive the most of the country, you're doing, you know, I'm not saying,

I'm not in my family, I've got, I'm in a change of the lead, you, you know, but I'll never, but I'll leave the money of the Comptable of Quebec,

they'll have the moaties of the boarer. The panic... A crisis of panic will arrive in a week by who, in first, because he can't 50%

of the comptails or because he's that that Greber has made in his league. It's exactly so. They compare a

grave of the of the businessers at New York. And it's who's all the time the vinegerer. But what's

particularly, is that the society has to be reprised. Meprisen one of the employees. It's

And how is we treat the genre? How is we treat? How is we, how do you treat, how is the dangerer? At how point you're useful, and at what, and at what, I, like, I, I'm included in Estes,

there down, I'm, I'm, at how, I'm, I'm, I'm pressed, your nasty, truck, he pu, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, quick, I,

clacksoning. I, there's something, and it's, and it's that I've heard, and since I've heard, that you've said, I don't know how I said even to

I've heard this guy that he said that you know, he said, if someone who's a because I'm

I've got to he's got to the post he to do the reflex of the person that's a person who you

say you say hey, thank you and that's you're in your truck but you're not to say

to say to the person that person to bring to come to give the person who has

caught up and that doesn't his bag of pubel. She'll, she'll say, hey,

thank you know, thank you, I'm sorry, I know, I know that's your job, but in the sense that I'm not

to thank, because you know, you've been put to put in your to come to me to putt to come and

my pubble, I'm not to say, thank you, because you know, the mercy, in the sense,

we're going to say, a chrizer at the epissary, a person to do you somebody that's

I'm doing, I'm sure, you're by reflex, you you're sure, you're But, you know, why I'd why I'm sorry?

You're saying, yeah, it's a lot. And, and it's a lot of because the people balance these sac at least of us, sometimes I'm trying to

to get a sock but they'll never they're saying, they're going to they'll be pitched to the third. And he will fend on on the time?

Yeah. And, look, no, that, so after that, so after that, the guy, generally galley that's the story

the most the story the most the story that I've been made that's made to make sure he's made on up and he

he's been on up, and he's he said, I mean, it's asser, I said, I said, I'll tell you. I don't know that's a good thing to do. No, no.

But, again, what's the particular of the milieu, is that can't be the type of comportment, that. We'll have said that

the reinsertion social. I don't, I think it's a example. I think it's a example that especially with those people,

but it's a middle of, because, you know, I'd be able to me bat in a truck. To be it

be able to be? You're able? You'd be? You're in because, in because, in fact, As you've knowned, you're in the space

public, you in the way, you derange, you're mipused, you pu, now, well, you force, so you're, you're in full of t'clock, in chess, or in a lot of course, you're not very much vintu, there's a lot, so, the people,

in, sometimes, in crying, and, and, and then, and, they, they're, they're, and, they're, and, they're, in your car,

in your, in your, in your, in your, and when I'm, and, you, and, oh, when I'm, when I'm,

you, you, oh, your family, T'u'u, Yeah, it's so. The world are very, very far. You've seen, the little madam, who have been

very good courage in their rotoge like, madam, you're trying to be able to me to make, in the same. But the char

does that, he gives a sentiment of impression of power, and we, when the citizen says that, they're back,

I'm at the back, me to say, there's a there's a case, and there's there's been

to be batted all the way, a guy, he's been, a year, he, it's, he'd be sure, and again,

I don't know, I'm not it's a affair, but because it's a time in time because there's a

question that's not because of a place to work and you're doing to say it's a bad news at work and you're saying it's a lot of

he'll be able to never ever in a bank but he came to get to get to get back again he returned

to say boss in two weeks I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing I'm literally this boss

that I've that I'd have to get in the car because he was to be back to the business

So, imagine when When you're in mind The margin of manoeuvre That's you're You know, you know, And the example that I'm When I think I said When I'm saying, we're

We can't get On Jari At Montreal It's a big You're going to Because it's Yeah, excuse me, I'm Yeah, but you know

You say, St. January I'm a lot more Rock and Roll than Montreal With the Kone With the traffic With the cyclists,

with all, With all, all, with all, all, the pieton. So, there really There, really, there a guy who blocks

with his char, the truck who had made a manoeuvre to reculose, he's got to and he's goneff and it's a sign in the phone

of tension, and he's pretty to come in the door, he says, I'm going to start in the three. The citizen, he debark,

and he was quite huge, and he's, he's in crisis because you're You're there. It's so, the story of

and then, the chauffeur he's got, he's made to sangleing, solid, and then, and then,

I'm trying to interposed, and all interposed, me, in intervention, I've learned, I've learned, So I know

how to do how far, but at the time he gull. And I'm trying to negotiate with the guy. The guy

he's at that's a to say, I'm in my face. So, I think to my hands.

Because it's it's not, you know, to do it, even if I have, even if I have done, I can't

a clack at yule. And then, all the other Loper, he rests in back, and what I'm that's got

that he was that he had been in front, he had been to get to his own, he had to be the

people, and he thinks that we had cheted. And simply to have made this reality that he had,

in the fact, that he had touched, but it has calmed. And that's the force for me of the intervention. And, you know,

the people who know, the mayor of the the victory, is when you're trying to do you try to do. But, frankly,

having wanted me to be able to be able to be able to and then this people on the terrace that were with their cellar

but the guy he had just been just to be seen to be to be able to for me, for me,

for me, for me, that's been generalize the more possible, but I'll really be able to

the time, the people are the people are the reason for the there's a lot of, and they're doing to do you know, to do you know,

because the occasions are numerous. It's a very. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

the last time, there's a that there's a that's a question, because it's like a little the cameras, not the police

people, they're not, they're not, they're going to be able to, he's like, he's going to be a job,

and if you're there's a case, that you're like, and you're trying to try to find out with me. Yeah, yeah,

I said to everyone, like, no matter to be the key, if your integrity, physically, if you're

doing it, if you're in the challenge in your car, well, if you're not that,

you know, if you're a car, you can't, a car, to cut, physically, a copter,

how you react, you know, you know, you know, to know, that, you know, no,

my friend, the only, the whole, I'm going, to cause, to be, that's the car,

truck, my my friend my friend, because when your integrity physical and you know, you know how

you're not to get a lot of the you're not in the you're not in you're not in you're in the thing, you're in

it's in the thing, and it's in the chauffeur and he has proposed a smoke to have

to say, to to the person who has done it, he said, oh, he said, oh,

he said, oh, bravo, my chum, he's been still the guy, he's not something that something

wanted to that's but the intensity the intensity of The guy, he'd enter in his

bull. And I'm with the old, I'm more calm than I was if you're a cop,

and you're like, I'm going to I'm going to be posed that I'm a motorcyclist. And that,

now I'm to control because if you can't you mackroche the bumper in if you if you're

if you're on bcicic, you'll not a scratch on my bicycle, you can't me tuwee literally.

And there one of them who... That they measure not to... If it's accidental, but, you know, if I was going to see, if you're

doing on, it's... It's not... ...it's going to be to get your mirror in the good class. Yeah, and...

My, I'm call it's like, if the people don't know, the people, I'm going to reculner, and I had to be... And, she...

I was... I was... I'd say, you know, I'd say, I'd rather... ...mere... ...and... ...you'd be...

...and... ... ...you'd be... your cellar, we'll go, we'll go get shied. It's not more complicated than that. Not as a matter of course, say, hey, desoling, it's more than that already to say, but the people have had to be

a difficulty to that, it's like if we're in confrontation, especially in a living. Yeah, but if someone you cut, it, it's not, you know, fuck, excuse me, I'm not, I'm not seen, I'm sorry, you're saying,

I'm sorry, you're saying, but if you do, but if you do, see it, let's see, it's, you know, okay, it's fine, it's just to have to be afraid of, but, you're just, but, but today,

it's, it would be worse that's the telephones and all that, and the nombilism of the human is rendered

incredible. Yeah. But there, I think that the leave, I'm not too put it to make the front,

but, no, but, yeah, it's... It's... It's... I'm still

that the guys, to be in a plain of changement of a certain courto-a mod, and I think, in plus,

we're trying to that, I'm in cross-o-re- -re-reclosos beneficiaries. if there's not the people who are

reprised in a society, it's she, it's her, it's her, they're in it's the first, there's,

there's, there's a I mean to say, if you're not, you're to be able to to be there, there's a

place, so there's, so great respect to that, and it's not, it's not,

it's not, it's not, it's not, really, all these mits that we've applied it, I'm in

obviously, I'm used, but in course, are often by the people, the class popular. The,

And, you know, there's a lot of, you know, in rehabilitation who's sort of of prison, who's in front of these trucks,

that, you know, why is, it's not negative, it's, it's, on the contrary, because,

bravo, the proprietor of these companies that, to let's the chance, but is, is what they

do, by bonete or by necessity? There are a bit of two. Because, sometimes the

bosses, they're, they're same issued of the criminality or of the consumption. So they have

quite sympathy in the reality of the reality of the guys. By necessity, because it's not a place, they're

not in the people, they they're trying, because it's the employees that they're coming, because it's not

always the employees to get to get a fiable, it's not still viable,

it's not so, so you compose a bit with all that, and it's the reason for I think,

I think, if the a new, it had been been valued like another, it would have been made to decrochet.

It's a saying if we they're not, they're able in the way, you're not to do you have not the

way, it's not it's probably to have been to the value, and so, in therapy, it's,

it's to say, to see, to see, to see, the society they're going to get to

much more because there there's, there are there can't, because there can't be a job,

because you're coming in a job, but it's not automatic, because you're in a the market, it's a

employee where you can consume it's tolerated. It's tolerated, but in the table, you say, in the sense that you

have your beer in back to get to be in a bottle of beer, but on. But, but that's

the reduction of the effect, it's a idea, to consider a person that's

that's very, very addictive, they can't be able to end of the day or the end of

the day, so if you occupy, if you occupy, if you occupy, you nuy not, we tolerate,

like in certain resources. So I think to permit that, it's a permit that's not quite that's not, what's he will

do that person will be, will be in a situation of an exerance. So he will have a bit there's an example in the

book of a guy, in fact, he'd say that he'd he'd runned for certain. And what he said in fact,

is that the therapist he has made the evidence, it had to have to decrochet in the rone, it was the

adrenaline, and in laying in the truck, he had decroached the ron. I've made, it's cool, that. That, it proves the part reinsertion social. But, yeah, it's because some, it's not just the pot of gain, you know,

and I'm still at least, I've been able to my time that I've made the feet in this milieu that, what I'm in it's not the business. It's the, to me

remen a little that down, this challenge, we'd say, that it's something that's something that's something that's something

I'd be a little, I'd have to retorting a little bit of that. It's even not the path of the game that he'd with, but at the base, it was more the challengeer. So, he'd retrued that. Yeah. This little edge, that, this little rush, there, and you know, what you did, that, that's accepted, tolerated, all that,

is you, like, in all the companies, you know, it's sure you'd be able to do, like, okay, you're trying, you have the right to get to get, in your journey, two tracks, Not, I'm not explicit like that, but, you know, I'm saying, you know, you see, you see, you see, you see, you see, see, he's doing, you know, you're going to be able to be your boss?

Hey, Chris, my partner, you see, it's made two-clay during the run. That's that. You do, you know, you do, and, you know, and what I want, is, not an open to an over time, you know, to get an opportunity, to do you, it's not so, you know, because, you know, I see, you've been defunce at the end of your day, you're not able, you know, if you're trying to, you know, if you're trying to, you know, it's true to, it's not, you know,

And it's, it's certainly that the vinegerers have a brief career, I'm going to I'm doing 10 years, I'm doing it,

and the consumer because in consumption, we say that there's that there's that they're in their personality or in what we

do, so that feteamines, Coke, speed, it's functioned with what we do with what, it's not, but it's

if you want to if you want to if you're to be able to you're doing to be able to develop an ethic of sportive.

They're them, by nature, if they want to rest in the domain. And then it's like they have a good alimentation, the mayor's sleep.

So, of all the way, it's a lot of, because if they consume too, they restrott, long time, there's a point in a business that's a man, there's a lot of

other way, let's turn, out of the criminality, to go, you know, a good salary, well, you know, you do you, say, hey,

well, if I'm, if you're doing, you know, to say, the call, that's going to get the night, you're the day

the dayday, you've got to do the night, you've got to do you It's a little tirg vicious. So, a minute, you realize that, but, if I'm not doing, my journey,

my day is a little bit more rough, but the landmine, Chris, is not more rough to start, and, you know, it's just, it's been a sick. You know, to do you, do you, do you have a drug?

Yeah, yeah, clearly. Yeah, well, , yeah, like the sports professional. I, look, we're called with a, we call the bonhombe, like, 57-year-old, he goes on-air-d-d-d-hruck,

if he's blest, he's arrange, for getir, to return the way to the truck. Because at least, he's really free. In the sense that's the

way of the people who are in the tromarathom and they're doing the cross-fitte, they're doing the end up that's the same

thing. Like, I, if I'm not my vows three-of-same, it's a man, it's, again a

time I'm in a Freud, in therapy, we're talking to say, it's like if our body to start a

part of the messhance, the things that we end in the vines, it's, the evidence,

it's, It can't make that, like, but it's a lot of money, but what's interesting with the vidange, is that it's to be in plus to occupy an employee,

to get to do the business, to gain a good salary. What's the sport to permit not necessarily at least, at least, to be in the

high level, the world of the water. So, it's super beau. I mean, the vidangers, I, I'm

doing it, the hockey European, you know, it's to say, the gross salary and the course of the course, but you have

still, but it's that the education is interesting for an for an for doing something, because we

not like as a sportive, it's a there's a there's a lot of people who there's a

way to be in there's a doctor, there's a way to be in our care with the money that's

that's acer with the You know, you know, if you're to get a job, you know, CSST

and you're being covered by these things, because Chris, it got in when, when I'm

when I'm writing, me, my editor said, he said, she has had a little bit of a natation,

you know, And we, no, but it's for to say, we, even if we're those who in the society do the world, we have never

like so much that we're in having to have, if I was, if I had to say, we'd have to be more secureitar,

we'd have to have an intervention social for the aid to get to they want, to have a coach sportive,

have some having a car, and I'm in a truck, but my 12 hours of time, because I was,

because I was coming to the class popular, and you have to understand. In general, you manage, solom, where you

come. I mean, I know, I'd not go to get my energy. So, I'd not have to offer you, you know. You're going to search an energy of Coke, in the sense that I mean, the

Coke will do you know, what the Pepsi and the bonnardts will do you're doing, but at long term, no, you're not just a need to of sugar, you're not just

just a need to the next thing, you're using to carbs for your energy, you see, you're been much, with a little

big plate you spagate at your dinner than two Bonnars, you go back and stuff your day in making these pots or, you know, a hamburger. It's if you're going to be more to have to offer than a bonoomac, you know, that's probably the best young food if you're a need of energy, you know,

because you're all there in, you know. You know, let's on a guy who who, he's out of prison, and then, you know, he's like, I'm not able to assure my shop, because it's a fortune, there's person. If it's a lot of time to try to be a job. You know, I don't know that, you know,

you're going to be in a company of Vigandage, you're going to be engaged, but, you know, I imagine that you're a lot of, you know, you're being put in consideration while your course, even though, even though, it's so that's beautiful, because, in the fact that,

the marginalization, excuse me, it's two times that you do this time. It's, for me, it's, where it's, it's, you're trying to find many of marginal. The marginal, you know, in social, it's a ron,

and the point, it's the norm. It's all the people who are who are not exactly in the system. They don't know. They're not their place and the evidences

that's the cause is that's just you're just you're doing you're doing defamation fatale at the cause of

these parents Magané there's person that you're talking to you're doing that's a call that's a

solidarity before the charge in the army we're in the same in the same Mard it's a

Rapproche it's so if you if you're if you're if you're in you're just you're

You're judged by your present On your On your action. You're judged by your action, and not by what you're doing Where you're passing. In this world, it's really And I imagine that, you know,

The bullying has like not his place Therein, you'd have replaced If you're, if you're to, you know, akearer a guy, let'sone, you say, a malformation, you know, someone with what, you know, I imagine, there's a norm?

I mean, you know, I'm a bit like a wing. There's like a regs in a wing that are not the regs of the prison who are the regs of the wing, you know, there's a bit of so we, we're trying, you know, hey, Chris, it's a attention,

it's an bon, with Carl, it's not, it's, you know, well, he's a bad job, you know, because, you know, because, you know, there's a bit of the guys

that are , you know, to do you do with, there, you're doing, there, you're, there's, you know, you're doing, you know,

you've been, you know, you go to go to work, because your partner It's a few, but you can't go to go to, you can't go to work, I'm going to work, you know, he's not good for us,

we're not gonna, you know, we're probably, you know, we're, we're doing, we're, I'm, you know, I mean, I'm, you, see the podcast, that, you know,

in the prison, that, you go, at the guy, you, won't have, you, call this guy, you, you know, and they, they're gonna,

get, the guy, yeah, because at, you're, the other, that, you know, you know, you know, you know,

I'm not, so, you know, How many of tons, today? If the guy, there's a lot of the team, you know,

the quantity of tonne that we're supposed to get to get to get to get back. It's exactly. It's really that you're

that's the good boot of the baton for your team. Yeah, yeah, because you know,

we're trying to helpers, the helper, the helpers, because there many, there's a lot, you know,

sometimes even he return in the in the room, in therapy, or they do that, in prison, so, we're

so, so, we're trying so, we're certainly that's certainly the soccer, you push on a ballon, you can resum

that's a bit of the elite, it's a demand a complexity, it's a matter, the same for the viagerer so the bon,

what we need because on the terrain, it's kind of really difficult, it that's quite after it's a real, because

if you have the heart, it's a point, it's a matter, I'm going to actually, because I'm

not the whole because I'm not the game, that, but you're completely, completely, I'm going to

get to, you know, these guys, these guys, these guys, I don't know if there's been the fieue, I don't know,

but, you know, these guys these guys, they're in margin, usually they're not, they're not, and then you're

to arrive, it's to-you- the hard-norm. It's the, the guy, exactly, who's not that's not

that's not that's not that's that's not, and who's that's so fifted, to call-liss,

so. So, so, so, so, so, so, it's that I'm

that's that it's that's that that's just, it's, it's, But if you're in, if you're doing, you work as well, we'll make up an accent on your differences. If you're not good, we'll probably make the accent on these differences.

Because what we want, at first, is that you're a guy of an team and you're done for the team. Because, in fact, if you're less quick, it means, maybe that, I have to help you aid your sector and that I'll have five tonne of more in the do. So, that in general, it's not. So the people who, you know, the young who's often, you know, the young who are, you know, in the gang,

that because he cherishes an appartanance or to what the same you know, you know, you know,

you're like, you know, at what you're at a point, you're not in the society between you you're, you

are devalorized by the society but valorized between you know, because, I mean, when I'm

doing, when I'm doing, if you're what you're like, because when you're, it's like

kind of like a dependence, like you're like you it's like it's like if it's

it's like it's like, 30, Wednesday, and there there's a minute to do you, there's a minute, and there's

a little bit of, you know, I'm going to say, he's going to come to back to see you, you know, it's going to

come to the day, and you think it's going to to be able to. It's a so. So, it's a way that,

and I think that's a more in more in our society, and that's for plenty of reasons. In general,

the job tough, we're, we're going to have to other people, but I'm there's still that's still

people, who who have some And, and, of course, I'm I'm saying that UFC, like the sports as a lot of the sport

popular in real world around, really. And it's not for a reason, because we have that in the kind of in

a certain violence or a idea to get a you're, you have that, you're trying, you're trying. It's an

chance, it's incredible. And, I'm, the first time I was like, I'm,

I'm, I'm going to get on the crowd, I'm going to get to be, I'm going to come to,

you're like, you're, it's like, you're I'm all always to become aboer

after you see, and I'm I'm going to hear of the question, I know, I'm,

I know, we're going to give to be to give, because I think I would,

in the case, we're going, we're going to talk about. Because, because, because, sincerely,

just, your book that's really made, it's a bestseller, extremely popular, it's really,

you, you, all, all, all, all, , you, you,

you, You've been very mediatedized by the way to he has been seen how, he's still in the

gang that. Because we're talking, you know, I like to say, I'm saying, 90% of the guys

who are in the trucks see, des garroches, how they've seen, they've seen they've seen,

although, the impact of the live, but you, you know, at the Vue,

to the, you, there's, there's, there's, there, you, even more,

You're more in the gang than we're We're not going to do, we're doing We're in front of, we're doing these alkyos, You're getting to, you're going to be in a jordan's about, Gia Lappeal? You've done to tell you, and your guys, and the live, he has seen as well? No, it's not made of clash

because I think I continue to ramace the vending. You know, in the front of, presently, I could not ramacy the vidange, I've got a lot, I'm interested probably, I'm, I'm a little dependent, we'll do, but...

It's a drug? It's my drug, but I'm, but I'm trying to have the contact of these guys, This time we're talking in our society the chambre of our own

we're in front in our little people, but I'm in the people of the people who are in I'm not in a fact of you know,

so for me, it's a chance to be with the guys that we're not exactly the same, you know, you're not,

you're not not necessarily, you'll be not necessarily, you'll not not necessarily with your family,

with your guy, that, you'd be, you'd be, you'd be not, but in the courte

, but in the end up, you'll be in there's in, there's, there's, I mean, I'm going to be on the Halloween. At my marriage, there was a vinegerer. So, for me, it's a chance

to be with the world that I would have not cotoyed otherment. So that, for me, it's super. The camaraderie, as we've said, it's really so cool. And the guys, in fact, what they say, they sound that, you know, in the phone, I've talked for them, but authentically. You know,

like, there's these portraits, that's not the portrait angelic that I do, it's these portraits. Even I'm a little bit mad, they're feeling that, but I think they've made that, that we're talking, there's not, there's not, there I've really

said what I've seen, what I've seen, and I've done, it's probably my contrar-inant with good-veillance, in the sense that I've really

really got to empathy, I want to run in a certain humanity. So, that, I think, it's been very

received, the guy, at a moment, he'd they'd be in a time, and it's

incredible, because they'd never had been a life, because we're talking, we've never

read a new, that, so that's, it was, it was really, it was really really, and really,

and, and, today, if I have a media that's a bit of year I'm a bit of a same level. For me, to listen, they're getting, you know, if they're saying, they're

with the book, I want to listen to them, they're at first. Because, I don't know I'm not to create a book for me to make a capital on them, but rather try to

their render something that the society they've been. They've felt that for the good reasons. Yeah. Because, you,

in the writing, you'd douted not of the success, and you did because you You had a You had to have If you had, you

said, if the few people who are maybe, it's maybe, it will be maybe, um, the person if you're,

if there's a person on my, the route that I'm a person who, there's a back, it's a bad, it's a bad place,

it's not, it will be garroche, and there's a there's a so it's been what it's been, and bravo for that. It's a success

plenammerited, a book that I have been able to have to have a ported one. I'm, I'm going to have. I know.

It's a joke, it's a way, it's a way. Hey, but, really, thank you to have

responded when I'm going, thank you, very different of what we do it, I know, we've been

extrapolate, there's some that's been in the other episode that I'd have in the but I

think we can't come over what I want to cover what I over the on

the same I'm open an port to Ogh Fee, maybe, I'm let's go, see, to say,

yeah, I, charge, it's not easy, I don't know where to go, there's, let's say, let's say, let's say, in a list of the company that's, you know, how I call, a company

of a venegear for saying, I'd like that, I'd bring to my CV, I've got to a CV, I'm to conne to at your post, I need

to a number of insurance social, and an account cheque for having my pay, you know, what's it's, what it's, what's it's, what it's,

How they can't find that? How they will encounter the boss? How they do application for that? Well, listen, it's a lot of resotage, but the good way way that was it was a

truck down the road, you'll stop. That's the way when I started a 20 years, it's still a car when I'm arride, I don't the number

of telephone of my boss, and we have a business because, frankly, the turnover, the people who the people who launch,

it's constantly, all the time of the new employees, so at a moment of a, there's a, there's a bit a true

that's There's a shot a guy who's there's a little bit of a good man, we're going to be back in the day, we're going to

get in the time, you know, it's not, you're not, you're the first time, you know, you put you to pet, a 70-hour

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're doing, we're doing, to do that, yeah, before it's a bit rough.

Like, you, like you, like, it's a little year, it's, but,

but, but, but, it's certainly, we're we're sure, I'm doing, I'm doing,

and we're talking to mepric there's been there's a guy who's I'm going to get to get someone who's

I'm trying to get to get if if the person comes like that I'm sorry but we're we'll be to learn

the difference and he will live and assume well if there's there's a guy who's that's not

easy, at least one or two times per a month there's a truck that's

not from to you get to right right uh judge not you know

you know you know who are in the truck there, and you know, because it's a time it's over the

winter, it's not it's a bit more, so imagine to if you're not for a month, at what they're doing this guy are there, so

when you're in back to be able to you're trying to have to have to have done to make a massac, guy, this guy,

he's got to probably probably not more than you probably not more than you, so take your clack,

and respect, and when you're the chance to pass to the coat, pass at the on the other side, and you know what? Envoy-s-don-don-law, and say, don't

thank you, and say, thank you, saying, thank you to do do what you do, because I'd do not. Thank you to do, what you do, because me, I'd do not. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Mr. It's a pleasure.

It's interesting. I hope you've appreciated. I'm going to get it. I've got it, and I've wanted to and I've got, and I've got, but I think I've gotted also my other people. I'd say, if the people

have been different, in the least, I'll If you'd appreciate, I'll Yeah, and, and, I mean, and, well,

in a way, we're, for a lot of, we're doing this because I'm going to get to get into, but you know, I'll admit,

you'll get it, but, you know, my little collection in the rear and I'm sure to have that of my inveter, and, you know,

if we're pushing, and if there have a, you have to, you know, a set internet, an address courier that we can't

if there are to pose some, some, You can't say Yeah, but we'll let's just before, before,

we'll say that we're going to say we're a page Facebook, do author. Okay, dothar. So,

it's a page professional that we're or a LinkedIn also. LinkedIn also. We'll all put all the link that,

video YouTube on the if you have any questions, if it's you're interested, whatever, invite you guys,

just, a, thank, thank, thank, that's on a ride of a truck

or that's because you're because you have used your that's definitely you have appreciated. I've been I loved it.

I've done it. But I know you're a guy who keep up and I appreciate the time that you have done to do. At a while.