Au Parloir - Épisode #140 - Philippe Paul

Episode Date: May 3, 2026

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Philippe Paul, ancien enquêteur du SPVM spécialisé en crime organisé et stupéfiants. Derrière une carrière impressionnante comme enquêteur, se cache un vécu bouleversant, notamment lors de la tragédie de Polytechnique et sa relation avec Marc Lépine.Aujourd’hui auteur de trois livres, il a quitté la police. Pourquoi tout arrêter après un tel parcours? Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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of Montreal, that's so stupefiant, that it's in the crime organized, it's the enquirer

who has the most number of informator. There's a parkour completely fool.

There have even had been a related to his inquiet and other polytechnic. We're

talking to polytechnic and I didn't even not before the first policeier

to return. It's he was he found Mark Lepin. We're going to a plane of place.

It's a policeier who has made in his career in a second for some that you're going to understand

a little ordinary. We'd have been two hour, a bit more than two hours I'd have been to do

eight episodes with him to take quite every information, each informator, each enquate. But if you

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Thank you. Thank you. A lot of time I'm going to be a little bit that we're talking quite, I'm going to

for the first maybe, maybe you've never seen in a interview but that's not that you say,

ah, it's what, the mission we're trying to the first season. The first season of the

first season of Quebec, you've been there I've been over here not so long time because my fays are

my friends are or me also, the mission, the tester, with Etienne Bully who had been who's been to sit on

where you are in my old way, so I'm, I'm interested to say to be, because then I'm to see it on

Facebook, and I said, oh, okay, salle, parkour, not parkour criminal, but you

have been with the criminal, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

you know, you know, I'm, I'm not deformed your title, in the front of your retrait,

what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, you know, the first of the division

of the crime organized, the police of the police of Montreal, I've been, I've been

after a few few people, I'm even had even my career as a patruor in the

mystic district 131. Who exists for real? That exists for real, exist for

actually, and then, and then, there, I'm like, I'm, right, I'm,

stop, you're, I'm, because, you're, And I said, and then you'll have said, oh, I think that I'd probably

don't know how much in this time and it's perfect and I adore that because you mean like you're saying like, okay, there's an issue

that's called anti-gain, then I realize that radio Canada, he's free really on things that exist

for real, you know, you know, you're talking to be in the district three years, in the policeier,

district 331 and code 41, the power of informator, I've remarked that there's many books

that's They're all right-trued, with some names changed. We're going to be the inspiration. But it's correct. You know, we're going to be more inspired with the reality. If it's not a real-

It's a bit more credible also, I imagine, you know. And, you're the investigator who has been the source at the level criminal for your inquiries. You know, you

have to tell me little things. I think we could have a few times. You know, episodes. I've had I've had more to 120

in my career, yeah, and we're talking we're talking to all right, you know, we're talking about, we're doing on,

generally, we're in all right, I'm doing a little bit to do what you have, what you've

even in the other of the police, you know, an experience that you've been a very long time,

because we were talking, you'd be a and it's he said, he'd say, he'd I think you

you'd also to cool down a bit, after the situation. There's, there's, there's,

so, So we'll all talk about to that. But I want to with you, but I'm going to with all the

guy of which kind of family, you know, and we're doing to and we're there. I'm a guy of Victoria

Ville. I've started my villa. My parents come to Montreal, my mother

Anglophone Thelma Fletcher, my father francophone, Victor Paul, he's installed at Victoria Ville

as a comable as I'm my view and then when I when I We're going to re-trove for the first time.

I decided to me inscribe in technique administrative because my father wanted to be able to take his bureau. After a demi-session, I think I wanted me to crochet, so that it was not for me. Okay, hey, I, I'm sorry, it's going to be often, because I like, I like, I like, I'm sorry, my invaders, I think, you're talking,

my primary and your second-air, because it's often people who have vied in a family regular and all, and all, and the question I'm going to ask, and perhaps that's there that you're in all right, Is, is the envy to to become a

policeier, it's something like maybe 98% of of the kids say, say, a day I'm going

to be a police, is that you carests at the time? Yeah, when I was a little guy,

I'd put a cap in Batmann, I'd patruly at the rue for the pleasure.

And then you had been a element of a playcheer, it's an day, I'm a

man, a man, a man, a man who he'd have to have some problems cognitive, problem of Alzheimer,

he's on come to search his wife, and then he's very aggressive, he says, he's the time to get to

get to make my mother, and so much and when he quit, I'm a bad sentiment. At this time,

I had perhaps 17 years, 16 or 17 I, I decided to take the car to my mother

and to be to be home, and to be he ran in his family, I look at the window,

I look at embarked on his farm, he had frapped, it's some of the people who were in 70 years, she had to get a great

cut of point, and so much, and he, he had carriement to do it. I said to my friend, he was to be

the police, and he was to do it, when the police, it arrived in the minute, they said, they've said,

they've done, defunce the port, they've defunce the door, they're being motties, they're mottable, she had been

over-re-and-a- , she's over-reveve- and then, and then, that's the the click, he has made in sort, but it's that

I want, I want to save the world, I want to show these lives, and there's, it's been in this event, at the extreme,

and that's all light for me. You know, you've, you know, because I think it's

that's a other the course that conced for to be a policeier, other the experience, I

think it's a certain sense, you know, like a sixth- sense, to detecter

a bit this kind of situation that, you know, clearly, you had that, if you had this decision

to do you, to see, you know, all the people have worked, the part have to be in

the same, in the sense that to have a piece of six-sense that, to see,

that, this auto that is stationed there, it's not normal, this guy that surveil that,

why he does that, you know, you've got to you're not, you're talking, why it's why it's

why it's that's not, the moment that you know, and then, in my case, in my, it's a

element of the element of clancher, As soon as I started to to see my formation, an ecolette, a technique policeire,

and so I've that I'm in bad place. Technique administrative, it's really not for me. The sole

time that I'm doing good in the shift was to when I'm doing the money, there's a

there's a amount of the ball, and there got many of it. It's limited to that

that, but the rest was really for me, the world policy, it was for me,

especially the world of the inquiry and the criminality. I have had some aptitude

to to discuss with the people interlop, to think like them, to try to get to get

and so much, and it's become, in part, it's been my life, over the field of all of my

career, I'm, you know, I'm glad to to have to get to get that, because, you know,

it's really that's a bit to get a bit of, you know, you're going to get to get a bit,

it's sure that there's sure that you've been that, you say, you know, it's, it's like, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, So I'll have to say the technique policeier, George? Yes, but my ma'er, she knew the way I was

so when I decided to enter in the police, my mother knew a prete to the States in Los Angeles, who was in charge of the police

of Los Angeles, the squad is stupefiant, and then she has demanded to benire that for me. That's the same Jude, it's the protector

of the policeier and the cause perdu, which I'm maybe the two, but And because she has beener that for me,

that I've made in a coup, I've never oated. And for me, we have always a kind of fetish or something of which I'm

attached, and I was it when I was doing perquisition that I could qualify of dangerous or sensible or

what that's I was, well, you're going to me and then, and then, and then, it's sure

that it's just in the head that we're that, but in the Fons, you have to be able to some of

some of the time in the I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to show over at the mission I'm and then you

know, I'm and then you were on the publictechnic when you had used the fuziade and then

the last suff of one of the few that's my bra I'd be the hand with one

and I just had it's like a one year that's it's clearly

we're clearly on we're certainly, you I look at that, and I'm going to ask you, I'm trying to, but, you know, what I'm saying, is that for you, it's not necessarily the symbol religious, plus the symbol that's a matter,

that's not, you know, I'm not, you know, the, it's not the image that it's done, it's the protection, if you want, that can be done, because if you're if you put the question today, is, is what I'm religious, the answer? The response is no. For me, the religion, is the racine of practically all the years.

And for me, today, I mean, I'm that's just a real person, and to help you know, and to help you're your mother, you know, I'm just the impression that's a my relation familial, if you want, it's more... Well, you know, I'm the impression, it's that, you know, I think, if you don't mind, I think, you know, I'm saying, hey, you know, should I, try to try, you're trying to call, because my

mother has not, have been in view that to have done an appeal, that's I've got fired tired in a TIE It's... It's... It's

for, for me, it's something to be a question, when it not going to

when it not bad in the work, and I'm there, it's a little

something to me help, I'm doing, she, she, she, she,

she, she, she will, say, well, I've got, to ask,

to St. Antoine to Padoo, that I, and then, and then, and then, but,

because, I'm I'm doubt, I'm, crime than a policeier in my life. Not of the

people who doms always very very well and who are zen at 100% in their

life, the stress, the nues the night, they're not always have been all the

is, is it? You know, you know, it's so it's so, it's so it's so it's quite

that I'm long time that in the long time that in the under the two

tronsone the 12 legal of the guardian of prison who were there charged because I've had had been in the contract

on my life. And then the major person, for me protect, I've always calculated that it's at me reason of plus because,

when I sit in a restaurant, I'm assuade to see what, and so forth, you know, you know, you know, the criminal,

but you live a little like, it's that if you do a size of 50 kilos of heroin, or what that's

the group to have seized have been a lot of to want to want to to someone, he wants to

say this person's and this period of this period of this time. So I've had a

contract on my life. Like I have used to advise people of people of people who

had the people who had been over the time that, I would not that I'd

not that I'd call that I'm didn't know the drug, I'm not to want to be

the drugs, the drugs, the explosives, and so- I'm maybe to continue

a bit more longer. But in the world interlop, to touch a

policeist and to get the most target in the door? For the head of the subaltern,

the cracket often who work at least for them, in the scale, for us, it's a

glorification, you know, I've had you been a manasse, yes, it's

produced, no. So, I'd change a vehicle, pretty every years

I, I'd different to me to make to the house. I had

always my arm of service on me. I had a procuration at this effect that. I have

some of the house. You may ask you a new view? No, but it's the one,

but it's what I'm what I know, I know, but it's what I had been

attireed to the way to I'm trying I'm because I think you I'm

an impression that I would be someone to have a place of a crime

organized and When I'm when I'm from here I'm going to either to either to avoid the police or

to avoid to get a I'm saying it's just like it's almost the same mentality and you imagine

it's a same I can even to say that in certain case I'm assoyed with the head

dirgent of the crime organized even the cartony at a moment in a time that

he was living and and then we'd and then I'm saying look we've been to perquisition

these two club the guy in the guy in menaceed my manassier my

in if he'd re-voy my agenda in the corner, he'd be in the corner of the same, so there's a few choice. I think you're talking to talk to your guy that's in front of,

and you say, or I continue to perquisitioned all your clubs, your affairs, and eventually, to everyone will be doing that.

So, it's like that we're going to make that. And then, and then it's about a beer. When it was I could say

that, one time that the discussion had terminated, it's finished, it's been to hear of the , you know,

you know, I'm saying, I, like, I, I'm, I mean to tell

plenty of place that I want to get out of the box, me make a ex-of-the-box the diabbe,

you know, and I'm and I'm like, I respect that, so it's it's a

idea of the negotiation in, you know, you know, because, you know, your job

is, just, to calm the crime, you know, it's your job, to get the

crime organized, to see, to say, and you, you pete two bars, and you

I think what you have to have tried, you're at least, you'll have to be and you know, if you pet, we're doing, we're talking,

the mafia has been a certain stability, it's a pease a little, at a other time, at a lot, maybe more

today, you know, so, to be far to to find to understand, just like, that guy, you know,

if I'm , you know, to get a certain stability in the street, we, we don't know, we're not,

that's, we're not , to get to import, to run to run to the drug because he'll be able to

it's in fact, you know, but you can't you say to calm the joy the use to the ruse if you're

to have to have been in there have to be in the situation, and then I was able

to put a chappo of the two when the occasion it was if you

a colleague to be a colleague to be the chappo bad cop and I'm could be able to

be able to I've been actually the bad cop, because there's there's a there's a that you can't

permit to be in a lot of police, but if it's for to make my life in danger to, to aid the

population, no, someone will pay the and it's, it's not me, it's the

people, and then it's often it's the case. At the same time, I'm in the

time of that I'm that you're there's a moment of a day, he's been a day

to be a day, the day the day, he's He said, Philip, "'Sarm me from here.'" Why?

I've made a hold-up and you've got to me out of this. No, no. You go back with the police. It's not a billet gratu for committing. You're not going to

be in prison. And there, to me respond, I'm at my, and I'm at my and I'm saying, my time, if you're not

you're not, you know, you're not perhaps not that, that I'm going to that I'm going to go ahead of to your

while you're when my phone. The bra, he shakes, my family, my wife, she'll be,

She said, she'll demand what's what he's And then I'm going to, I mean, the girl, there's the war. It's David, Conte Goliath. You've been to franchis a line that you're

not due to that's the same of my family. So, when I'm returning to work, and this person, obviously, with the laws that we're

out of Quebec, he's out of the conditions, I'm perplexed to them, I'd have to get with these arms, and so,

and he'd be in until they're until they're saying, okay, Philip, I cry, shoot, there,

I'll, it, it will be there's a there's a other informator to me who had been

to get used on his call he said he'd be doing good for saying he's made and he's made

change three four of the court at the same day or something he'd be doing to say good year he's got

he's got that maybe that's he'd be by menace over the force policeier

or the authority it's not the fact it's maloure it's that, sometimes.

And then, but I have the conviction familial that let me make my family.

At the same title, you made a time to do you make a criminal and the police. I mean,

I went to there's a first to protect your family. For him, the sole thing that's

the only thing is often, he will be to be there so to be the same thing. So, if you

go to be there, it's more to have they're doing because it it's a bit of the line,

you know, I'm doing the avocat the diabbe because I'm, I'm going to make a lot of the people who

hear of the reaction that you have had, I'm in the I'm quite, she's very criminal in the sense that, you

know, I'm chande on you, practically of the intimidation but, but, it's illegal, you know,

in the sense if I'm if I'm per question, if you're not a gun and you're not drug,

well, you're correct? that it is legal, but if it had not been, I'd probably have been because we're probably done because we're talking to my family. Okay, you'd have put a little, let's turn to, let'sone,

I'd call for a, a line and I'm arranging, and I'm arranging that's open, even if normally I'm not supposed to be, you've, you'd have fronched this little line there. In some case, it had been made, effectively, an infraction of the route. An infraction of the route, you can

run around about 100 m'clock before we're in, uh, and then. And then, and then, you have been been arrested, and it's that he's got to remit in and that's in that you can't

be able to be to get to be in a car, you don't know, when you're in a police, a minister, or an honest

citizen who, who wants to do you get a job, a moment of the same, it's sure that you will get

to get to try unsteerable indelient, the high-graded, in the world interlope, I had not

too problems with us other. It's arrived at a couple repris, but the

most of time, at each time, it's not with them that they're in their subaltern that they want to use

not necessarily the good method. He thinks it's an scale of just a certain scale, but in fact,

if it's not a old, it's a serpent, there, there, there,

we're not just a policeier, but it's, so often it's, often it's a lawyer,

a judge, someone who is, who is, who, in the A man of... Paramedian

Parasicier, a guardian of prison, an agent service correctional a year or or whatever I mean,

I mean, it's known to Quebec, probably what's what has made the charnement

on a certain very high placed in Quebec that is on the name of MOM that has

been the actions that have been under the citizens of the

people of the people of the journalists and the guardians of that. Exactly.

I think that it's that's that's there that it's when you know,

when you're there's, there's there's been there, you're like, I'm like, I think,

I think, without these events, the result had been the same, but probably maybe,

maybe, maybe, maybe, it's, it's that event that, that,

that, the land of the , I, I'm there, I'm in, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm I'm, who'd restate not too long as

my, he'd because I'm in prison to find out of a person, who were in that's always,

and we'd go to be in the firmary, we'd make it to make it, we'd be in and so much,

and so much, and so, and this guardian of prison, there was there, and they said, well,

the crime organized, they're in , they're in the guardians, the agents, of service correctional,

I know, you're trying, you're, you're trying to, you're not, an arm for me. It's rendered

that, we've me to ask me to ask me to be a officer. To be a to be a

for a for a lot of, you know, you know, I explained that there's there's some way that

that's doing, what you can't, what you have made, uh, for obtain a arm long, and so,

and then, but it was just that because there the, it had been really, it had been

that's been the system that all the methods were good to be able to be able to be able,

including, including, to be, even eventually, eventually, of the world criminal. We've done

done to do find these people and the police and the agents of service correctional to say, look, we're there's not the

time to mount a team of force for, to countering the criminality and all over the decriminal

or they're to be able to that. I mean, I'm sure. That's it has been to this.

But you know, it's like, you know, I'm saying, you know, I'm saying, you know, it's my

life, it's my met my property, but not to let's of my family, you know, I mean, I mean, to the line, I think that all the world in life, we're having our work, and we can't that's a lot of the society, what is your

case, but, yeah, yeah, for eating, to nourish, nourish, and nor your children, and, you know, I mean, it's, you know, it's a, you know, it's not, you're super power, with a cat, like, what you did you say, the ball, you're rebondes not, you know, no. And then, and then, if you look, if you look,

if you look, those, that so both the criminals, that the police, that the agents of service correctional, we're saying

that the family is always the point angular of that you want to be protected. It's the thing that's the thing is

sensible. So the fact that Mombuchy has ordone that these agents of service correctional that's faught

to bat in the auto bus this time, he has franched a line that had never he had

he croopied and he he's more in prison also but that that eventually with

all the fraps that the police have made, that's the fraps that we've done in ARM, in all the

dossiers that we're that's not the motor crime organized, the gang of the and so

they've made that, if we're going to be going to be to be a time, it's not

that we're that's for sure that you're there's a little subgroup that they're going to

make, the incandies, sometimes at some of the commerce that they want to pay the coat or

whatever but that's it's these menu fratein It's not the autophers of crime organized. We don't know. If I was talking, it's just a lot, I was just a man.

I was there on a lot, and we were passing to a concessioner in the course we've heard last year when we've heard in the last year, in the 17th-year, he arrives in quite on a velo in a concessionaire, auto, and you know, the other, he's brulee, the last month pasted, and he's not willing, and he has to be extorkees, like,

he'd extorkees, like, 6,000 pious. But it's not a head, other dirigent, in a crime organized who had been a kit of 17 that's the kit of 17 that's a

quote of the 10% I'm going to give to make the money to but you know, but often, it's that's the

people that you go to watch all the time reappearate but they they're working for someone so often

if it's not the grand that he's it's not the pretty you'll be never up after a

bit after a bit of you know when you you're when you're you're interested to

the big to get to make to talk. In effect, it's the reason why, that's the network that you

come out of the process, you see the first of the same time, that person's occupant at a moment of the voles, and I

had said, I'd have gone to the center operational in the north, I'd be and then I'm on occupy,

and then I'd see the guys, just at the entrepoh. After that, when the auto parted in

the entropos in the container, I'd let's go to Thames in Africa, And then I repatriated, perhaps 300 cars,

and then I said to my name, I said to my boss, but there I'm going to get to get all the auto who are there, and then if you go there, you'll come because the son of

the president there's he, he's in charge of the traffic of car, you know, so at a moment, it's a, it's a reason,

at the point, why the police 's not to be to say, well, in the there's an assurance for that, you know,

but it's because a moment of a day, you, you'd be to go your auto, he's a

economy Canadian and you say, we're doing the right to have our auto without your or have to be

a lot of every 15 minutes, you know, so it's a bit the same thing, it's the city people the pay the

the price of the end of the same thing, it's the people who pay the end of the line, because the

guy who has not necessarily the money to get some car of or his own point of heroin,

what's he will do, he will make these intro, he will make the role, in the he will

volled, and so that's again, and that's again, if you look at a point of vented to stupifiant at a point X at Montreal,

look around to the point of the point of that, it's there that you will have the criminality local, the intro, the volle,

and there's a certain of where I say, you know, I'm going to say, if you to park not to

not the Mesaone and New St. Denny, let's not a sack in your car, there come

with a crack with a pipsack, I'm in there not there not long time, and there

there's there's a it was at an event, you see, you look atinerants, you know, when you're trying, you know, today, it's these loke human, you know, in the time that I'd see with, the consumerer

there were to see, a consumer, and I could have sat in these botin, and he'd be able to see, he'd go ahead, he'd localize the point of vent, I'd localized the fronteer, and we'd like,

but the consumerer, that I'd consider a victim, he'd be able to revert, and he'd be there, and he'd be remarked even not, like, and, and today, And today, with the fentanyl,

insiduit, it's even more poor. These drugs chimic, that's brule the brain at a rhythm efferrant. And then, it's true,

it's true. And if we we're, we're that we're going to get to the United, I'm not too much of the other

If we're on the other side, we're on the other side, we're going to get to the States in Canada,

I'd say, well, we're going to impose the tariffs. I'm that the fontanil who part of the Canada

to the United you're not more than the gunn who part of the United and he went to Canada. And I'm not a fabricant

of arms Canadian, Smith and Wesson, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it came to,

the arms, a certain point, person, didn't, I'm not, I'm occupied, to traffic of arms, and,

and at a moment of a day, I've made a a series of 45 arms of foot, the gun, that the guy

had made in his valise of char, He is actually to Texas in exhibing his permit to continue. Oh, okay,

you're a permit to conduct, you've got to get their 40 guns that, they're not, they're not in a calpin.

He made the 40 guns in his valise of charles. He arrives at Rouse's Point. There's a madam pantoof in Gairitt who's said, you're coming to

where, I'm from, I'm from, I'm from here, he says, he passed with the arms. An informator to my vise,

and when he derrars at the St. Laurent for the crime organized We're not going to intercept, we'll seize these 40-kelsarmes there.

And there, they're in my bureau, we're reserved a cell, and we're in trying to take the number of series of all these arms there. And there, my commandant, who was not very crem-organized, ran in the cell, and he'd say,

it's incredible. All these arms illegal, that, in the streets of Montreal. Like, it's even not these arms illegal. I'm saying, Chris? Excuse me?

No, hey, okay. You're just auditors of a parloire, that's not a Chris who's afraid of his head call In which, In fact, you know, Montreal, it's that, there's a lot of crime,

there's got to come, there's a crime, there's a drug, there's auto-voled, our job is the other and that's not, to say that's not, it's not to make

a sembant that it's not, and then, and then we'll not make that in a journal, because it will have to be

a power to the population, but you're at the people know, it's not that you know, in the news,

it's made for that, The good coup, the police, you're going to puttie to make a lot of because she's on the glass. No, we're there

to show what we're doing, but often my vision was not partaged by certain other instances. The most part, yes,

but there were certain that it's more difficult. You've been how many time that's retrait? 10. 10.

Because, you know, but I'm still that's still you're still even more of many, to know, I'm still

still still still in quite, too, because you're doing, there's not much

I'm going to de-jone with the chief of police. Okay. Fadi Dagger, who has been one of my one of my time that's

in a caro, I'm in, okay. And then I know, you know, I know, I said, I see that I've seen

after you, and the last podcast I was talking about it, it was J.R. And I was, yeah, yeah,

yeah, I've done, with, you know, with, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the, you,

the, you, the, you, the, you, the question, and the reason for the question to, it's,

because you know, if you're talking to and I'm saying, if you're talking to this, so it's, so it's, today, I think that the fluke is encore, because... It's more, it's worse. I have my colleague in the north

who, he's got to be to traffic of arms just as to recently. And then, I'll just to catcher not that, you know, there a few months, I've made a say

to doze of two arms-to-feo at Montreal, someone has contacted to say that someone would have to kill one of my colleagues. Like an ancient informator,

and then, retransmit the information to the anti-gang, they were frapped the same they've seen the arms that's a

time for a couple of years of that. So, the moment interlop me and I'm still that

different pre, today, is that I retransm the information to those who can

have to be who can't I'm a city city in a small of the security public,

and then there's there's there's a person to be the person who being in

the security in a city? Because the little municipalities, the cell that I'm talking, is the same thing, than the Lorette. It's in the Lorette. It's in the Lorette.

It's not the same things as well as obviously at a level more small. So if you're at three points of Vend to stupefian at Montreal,

it's to have to be to have to 3,000 at Montreal, it's going to be the proportion, it's, we have to be the same problems

that we want a level inferior, you know. So when I I see that today, my work of police

me come in the time and then we're in other way. I recule. Yeah. Cep,

you're going to take that we're going really long but yeah but we let's because we

could be we're telling long long long time but I like that to come in chronology

also so you're in so you're in case clearly clearly you see

to see at your necessarily when When we're going to enter to Nicolette, I'm exclude, but, you know, is it already where the car policeier you direct or it's after? At least, I don't know.

Telling that I've made some applications a bit everywhere, even at St. Enron, for receiving a letter to say, the Corps of Police there exists no, it's integrated. But, yeah, when I'm sorry to Quebec.

But, like, when I'm accepted at Montreal, I had the choice, Montreal or Victoriaville. The two me accepted. Even Victoriaville my approach one year after that I'm

going to be going to be in and they said they were maybe the uniform and they were like I'm with what I'm

what I think I'm able to do you think that I'm with the criminality and the grand center

that's with the tools that they have I think that's the place that I think I've done

I think that I think that I think to me in 20thens and I think to me today

I think that a young in 20thens who'd be a little bit more of action than what you could have to be able to, not that there's not that's a percentage

of chance. But Victoriaville, well, you know, what's been in what's a municipality to be Roman like 50,000

people, it's not necessarily all the utilities, if, they have to have to do the filature on someone, or what that's

or they have the unit technique or tactic for frapping or what's the they're going to have to do the service

specialised who, in the occurrence is the security of Quebec. Tandisk in Montreal, we have all so.

So, I was doing that all the time, it was like a key in in the key in time, you know,

and so, and so, in the division of crime organized or even when I've tried with the

homicides, but you have all these services that were in apart with you, if you never

to be the reason. So, for me, it was perfect. When you devine, you commence patroogear, I imagine, in the road. At the yard, blue, and at the famous district 31.

And is, is, is, is, long? At the point of the moment you do you make, more, it's not that. It's not, it's not, I'm a question of the way, okay. Yeah, it's been a question of the street. You know, these skates or these stops, there. There, I was just a serious police. And then, I'd pass to Sarre Mountainside, in face of the 7-7-95, at the the time.

Excuse me, it's a bar? No, it's an edifice of a logglement. Okay. Now, I said, it's what

these auto that are that are in double? It's four-wave the charge. Oh, they come to do you get to do the drug?

Okay. And you're doing, we're doing, we're doing, even if we're with a dime bag of pot or a cord of coat

in his pocket, or he says, tomorrow, it's that's going to say, it's he says, he's called Trevor Payne,

it's a American. Okay. So, that it's always Rested in the In the time, and the time When I was

When I was Conductor on Sure, then not only I'd The consumer, but I went to the door,

I'd go ahead the door, I said, Who who who who lived here? It's never the person who lived there,

it's just, the person who had been in the house, you're not to be in the house, to be there,

that's the And I'm there, and I'm there, and then you As a patruier, yeah, well,

and yeah, and, in uniform, form of night, I'd my frock of chasse, and then I'd putt up to see my chemise of police,

I'd put in a car, I'd go to see, and I'd say, and I'd get these arms, the drug, I'd retake, and so-tuit,

on my hour of lunch, by making a simple frock of chasse, red and white, by the same, my chemise of police,

that's there, that we'd be, perhaps that you'd have to have to have had to a turn to section

stupfiant? Well, you know, is that, is it's well, is it's well, is well, Let's let's say,

50, 5. 5. Part of the hour of your colleagues who are in, you know, I see that like, I'm in a shop,

there's a good man in the shop, and there's a man, and he's more more efficient than, and the guy, and the guy,

and the guy, you're like, hey, the kid, you go to you've got to you know, a rhythm here, and we're

there's, you know, it's, you know, to say, all right, the people with who you

go and that you want, to be my first morning, in police, in time patruer

we're an other char of police that's a place that's to me run to meet with another auto

at the time the 131, I'm in the two old patruyer and there there's a case of 24 on the

back on the police. Hey, the young, welcome in the police he rove a beer and he turns that

by the front by the car of police. I'm not I'm saying my man it's a man, it's

it's an initiation. If we put that in your hands, and your boss will come. And, me, to all the way, I don't know, no, I don't want to. No, no, it's not an initiation. John, welcome in the police. And, no, the guys, I don't. I don't.

I don't know. Correct. We'll have to buy it at 24. And two. But during that time, I, I'm going to, I'm saying, the duo there, there, Phil, tient, too, lie, to do you, see, too, stay, too, so, so. So, he's two guys, lach, insuit.

you have not that you have to do that they're doing. He had a reason because that's there's a

time in a career there's there's there's a return of the cellul in the

cellul of because he had batted his family and then in the and then

I've met with his and she did certainly that's time you

do you do you do it because not certainly he batted my

mother but he batting my and my and my and all the

time it's a fool. Tondes that the other who had turned to

the barred, we had been in the gang, he'd be in into the culture hydroponic,

he'd gare five or six culture hydroponic but it's not a guy mechain because he talked to

you know, you say, you pose well we'll make the money with you and so and even

one one even a time with his chemise to he was that he was so that

that's the duo that he was the first that I had you had to have

been the when you're young he's jimel with one and you're trying to get to bring their experience. You're not

you're not to get to get to get to get to the most year to get in the cellul because he

batte his family and then we're going on the introduction by refraction and it's people who

were not rich who came to and the family has had had been to follow a system

of son and then the madam said, we said to follow the system of son we've

at the the time of the Walkman, all these things like, she said, look, I've made a list of number to Siri, and so much, and he, to respond, have you been have you, there's

an insurance? No, we have not the money, we don't have not an assurance, well, there's nothing to do police, he has not been a report,

and you, see, you, Phil, it's like that we're asking that, yeah, because if we know we're talking, if we're

doing the number to see, at the number of the number of and maybe intro To find shop, You know, and then to

Phil, he sit there, it's the same it's the same it's not, you know, you're not, you're depache,

and you're ready for the next appell, but in the case, he was, it was probably more ready

to get a but I, so I've had learned with the time to try to try to to try

to try to get to jubel with someone that's the time that before,

before you sombre in a depression or be able to change to post. Or to be a... A, you'd be in... A, it's not, it's not, it would be more...

No. But it would be certain... Because I'm ever... Because, I'm sure... ...and I'm doing it with the Jamaican and the other cultures that

in English, and so much I'm going to... I'm going to adapt to this sector, you know, but... I can say that today it's a lot more...

Because the police have a control much... ...a... ...auched... But I've found it difficult these first

weeks of the because you're not trying to when you look at the television I'm going to I'm going to see what you're

and they're hot and then when I'm when I'm when I'm saying, we're going to we're going to

we're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not

so so so. So rapidly we're we're trying that you I think Because your place is not necessarily

to give a ticket and to put in the guy that's chate de point three and... Yeah, I had a lieutenant at the time who was a shick-tip

who is an ancient professor of school who is entering in the police who is becoming the lieutenant and he said he said,

I think it's not made for to work with he or he said, I'd do jimel with such

young policeier and it's been the thing that's the man that I'm that,

I, lieutenant, we had developed a line of confidence at a point that a night that a night he had been called, he said, Philip, he said, he said,

I'm going to get me a blind pig, a debil of boasts he had parked his vehicle of police in rear, and he was very hot at the interior of the place

just separated of his family, so that my partner had to bring his vehicle to post of police, I was clashed on the band in

rear of my chor of police and and I got I was brought to them, and I was to get to do that, and we got

to get to be able, and he's cuched, and he's got a good boss, will you report this guy and say,

my commandant, look, I had you get to get, the lieutenant in a debil to a business,

when I know, I know that I could have probably had been in some difficult

in their time, no, we'd be done it if he'd have been different,

but it's a one-shot deal, he had never refed that. and then he he will

be on to make on he's it's a it's been it's been he had been mow and

he had been mow and he had been in he was in I think that it was to do that

that's for that in the police there's a thing there's very,

very, very important is to have a good sense of judgment at a moment

of human in the sense that this guy that you

really that you give an ticket because he has passed on the stop, look at who, regard to see who the person, look,

the reason that he will give to do get a little the statistics to go out of a moment of a moment

of a time, then I'm, and I'm to think, and I think that's this way

that that that's a actually to control, probably a number of informator that's

out of ordinary because that for me all the people are all the that you

be a bomb of the consumer, or that you are a chef of an company, if you sit at a

side of the other, we're going to be talking about you and the same you're not in the same. It's sure that

one has been things more than you have been in that, but is, is it for that you merit to put in

a drawer not to be in the fact that I'm talking to the people, and that I'm occupied to

the people making sure that I remitted that sometimes at the and I was in turn to me to give to the information

that I'd make in the same or sometimes some years of the case. Because we're not not an ball of crystal in the police. Yes, we can

make the e-cote electronic, yes, we can put the filature on you to try to that you commit a crime, but it's not as well

not as an informator who is sat the two feet in and can't you can't you're in something in

the more of inquiries of filature and of the money, so it's I've been become my crinot

a little in the police. It's just it's just like, you know, you know, I mean, it's sure that you have to be in a

person who's in general, you know, you know, you know, you're not coming, and I'm , you know, I'm gonna, you know, I mean, you're saying,

you know, it's, you know, to find out of time, to regard the years, and you develop, I imagine, your own,

your own methods, and I imagine, it's, you know, it should be proper to each every surgeon does,

you know, you know, to get to get to the way of that the same I'm doing, I'm doing,

and I didn't, and I'm not the not the bad of those that the time,

my beau father, there had an imprimary and at that I had made imprimed

these cards. Fille extermination with my number of Paggette that you could

me rejoin, Phil, pose of Giproc, we're going to your joaquin, and then, and then, I'm so to get to those informators,

because, or to future, because if he were found with a card of police of Montreal, with my name on on top,

for their health physical, it could be much more grave than you're to be able to a card of post of Giproke

or what that so it's like that had started. The people that I'd had my card, guard,

it's a cost nothing, it, other thing, it's an information to give me, let's say me a one time, you'll see, it's going to pass or it casse, if it's going to be in continue, if you're not

so, we're not, we're in, and then, that's it did these little. Often, the little informator of rue are given new great informators for the traffic international, at the end of the line, you know? It's what,

the, um, an an entend, and I imagine that you can't do not, you know, I'm there's a thing, and I understand, and I respect that's a 100% that you can't be able to I'm in the time. I'll give

an example that's a guy that's you know, I'm in a old-up and in, you know,

is, is that the question, is, is that the hierarchy, is that is that's a

certain protection? Is that, you know, in the sense, is, is,

is that you, do you, is, is, is there a guy that you know, that's, that's,

that's, that's, that's, to have been the view of someone, and it's time it's in

the information, let's on let's know that you know, there's a client that's been able to that, but we're going to

do you know, the parallel between two things between an informator and a defateer. Perfect. An informator,

is the person that I'm payed, who me give the information so the cover of anonymia to

regulate a dossier, they will me to obtain to obtain the mandate of perquisition, will me

to have to have the filature on certain people who will be made to doce. That's an informant.

He will not not. Exactly. Tendix while he will be able to be able to pay for testimony

at court who amending a change of identity, relocalization. It's a more honorerous for a service of policeier.

For a service policy it's a very work. If the informator is well generally,

he can have been to make a resulta perhaps not also rapid but often also concluant

that if the person were delater So it's already that I've got done to become delaterer

at cause of the nature or the sensibility of the dossier but the part have been informator in preserving

their anonymity all along their career. Is that certain have been to bat? Yes.

At cause of me? No. I'm even the affairs, not the affairs

internal, but the police of Montreal, the that's a moment

then he said, Philip, there's there's a informator, there's a two that's there's a

thing that's something that you've got to do you're not a there's not that's not and he

has assassinated his wife and he's had some there's a problem familial and the other he's

made to bat in Colombia on a deal of drug excuse me but I'm there, but I have nothing

to make the things in perspective a moment to make to make sure for me to be

to be able to be to the informator had rest informator, and I know to his identity

and my partner. We see in certain television that all the team know the people know the informator,

there are 12 who will be able to get to see it. If you want to preserve his anonymity,

so it's the two controllers that are they will be able to be able to do you

and then for preserve his anonymity your anonymate? You may me ask you, it's not

all the time? I have some of the report that I had a section and I'm that's

that I'm in a minute because there have a policeier there were that they were maybe

with other policeiers who were maybe in my information and then he's called and he

wrote, he said a report and he talked to talk to there and I'm

this policeier that often who often he's a old graded

and he you're this informator that you will you you have to

you how it's how it's that's made that he is in the information. Telling that it's been to

my commandant he'd say well, Phelip, when you're an information that talks that you

give it directly to me, it will be that will not by the section of a moment of a moment

of the problems that I hope that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm

at a time, we're at a time, we're in a time, sometimes the conscience policeire

I'm considerate elastic at a such point that we're there are perhaps 3% of the population that's

in the police is the reflade of the society, so it's far possible that 3% of the police

be also also criminalized. Maybe not that but I've been if you me demand today,

is I have a confidence to 100 of the policy the answer is no

but is we can say that we'll be not to not to offer with them

a cause of an infime minority, no, because it's our system of justice, it's the way that it function. We're also esperes that the system functioned as well that we're able to put the money on.

And we do, we're doing, in Toronto on this moment, we've had to be about five or six politicians corrupt in the last month who worked

for the crime organized, don't Ryan Wedding who had been in Mexico recently, which was the new El Chapo,

yeah, who's who's rended in fact, I think it's a question of time I think

when you're when you're when you're when you're to get to someone at a moment of a

little bit of the old to be a lot of the same and he goes to get to a lot

but all that all to say that when you're when you work in the whole

thing you're not sure you go to go to criminal to

graded and often you have the politicians and the policeiers corrompt.

It's a cocktail nocif to which you don't know how you're not that's a way to make

part of the equation. And I've seen that. Exactly. The money that can't make the

connery at many different levels. You're not that's not millionaires today.

Yeah, listen, Chris, you're coming there, I'm asking to ask you ask you,

but just we've tried, do you, to be in your way to do you know, to payroll, you'll do with your money on your and to arrange with what? A little condo there, a bit of a little, a little, that, you know? I said, yes. You said, yes.

Well, yeah. I said, yes. And when it's the time of the payment, he had been to be arrested. So, for corruption, effectively. It's arrived in the Cartier Park Extension, a club that we'll fray regularly, and if we if we don't, if we're doing a cot,

and so he had communicated with me, is something that we could do, I'd be ready to pay the police and I'd say, yes, and then until the time

he's got to it's been to get a no. But, yeah, in the way, I'm in the

I'm down, I'm like, nice move at a little too, you know, it's not, it's like,

the language I feel like, I'm in I'm in front of he, he's like, okay, it's going to

be cut out, but at you're the bad, but you're to be to get a to do too,

but yeah, but for me, I've made my because I'm 100%

I said this offer that's not if it's not with me, he will let's with Pierre Jean-Jauk

and so you there's we'll be cut the aband through the right and then it's just already

that's been that's actually exactly the same thing but he's there's a moment of a moment

of a there's certain politicians that you can't maybe there's there other

that you can't there is the majority of the case, no.

What I what I'm the police that are people It's an infim minority. We don't that regularly,

we see not that often. The first that I've seen that, I knew it was a person who was

a defecaned a American in the park ex and the trafficker he said, well,

it's a great that our our forenissor who is coming to me to live here

he was in a car to and I'm to say I'm no, no,

no, the guy is called Mr. X He was in a new livre in the auto, 43-2, at exactly 15 o'clock, and he had me to live here, and he will bea-two

two, ones to co. I'm going to go on the auditor. I'll verify who he'd on the 43-2. I verify. The pre-none that's effectively that. We've made an enquiry on,

and, obviously, we've got to be there. He had been out, and then the more than the months they've been on-levened on my lorrier or if he had an trafficker who payed not his debt in a room

hotel. The Surte of the security of the security had made a minute and he was

to be in the way of the way to be it's not a very, but when it happens, depach to

eliminate because for me, this kind of individual that is a more, more more

more than than that other trafficker because he he's used on the two side of the

man. I think, I think a, a criminal armed, it's dangerous, but a

criminal, a policeman, with the with the power, you know, You know, a guy can be a promen

in the road, you know, you know, if there's a morseus on, you know, it's a criminal, but the policeier, so there's

there's a certain, there's a certain, there's a power, and in plus, he's... He's more of the thing, he knows,

so, so, so, it's, definitely, it's a thing, and it's,

it's always been for the police, so, when I, when I, received that type of

information, we, it was, because it had eliminated that, and it's made, it,

So the people They can't They can't They're If ever We have an information Of the type That will be

Treated immediately And so often That person And they're made Out of Nui In the So it's not It's not a

Because I imagine When you When you're You're right You're just You're talking And then you They're just

They're just a name That's because They're in their Taitte, it's like Hey, if the guy who's been Forne me It's a person

And I'm I'll have to And I'll have Arrested and The reason of the I'm a cheater That's a

more, more cheque, you know, these people maybe would have paid, I don't know, I'm going to

make it's a money, but I'm going to find out of I'm trying to I'm trying to think the people know that, that's a type

of situation, often we see that in the movies, in the films, it's things common, but it's

not common. You know, it's, you know, you know, but it's occasional, and that,

because we're the reflet of the society. So, it's sure that it's a part of the population that's croche

that you risk to have an infirm party of the police that's a little better than you get the same to put the question. But other, let's talk,

the information, we've had a traffic of stupifiant, some, we're talking about someone who's people who's got to

that. I'm talking, I've heard, I've heard, I know, I, they're saying, they're,

they're getting to come, they're seeing, what I see, what I see, what's they're saying, and what they

we say he had sased these two people completely different. They said, they said, they said,

he said, 35,000, he had 50, 000 in my coffed, you know, is that, is we're in 15,000,

is a lot, for me, for me, for me, it's not a policy that not a person,

but, but I, think, attention to, because, I'm going to happen, in my case,

often, it's for discredited the police. That, I'm a question, it's a question, to, to be a question,

to, to, be, to be a face to his organization. I had really 50,000, and they,

they're also who said who they're saying 50, I had really 300 kilos when we said that we said that

I said 250. I don't not that's not already arrived, but it's for that when you

do something, today the deconts are made, it's filmed, we have the time, and so much

because that these things are because, I've been inquieted, and I'm The person has said that he said that he'd say 10,000,

we'll see that we'll see if we're going to eventually that it's simply for trying to be inapparete face to his organization. And then after that, they're going to say that, their revocat, and so much, it's all right. But the most of the time, it's not right. And if it's true, I'll say that there

will have an enquiry to know where's what's been to this argent. You know, I, I mean, I've often said in blag, but, you know, I'm not a person, I'm not doing a police, but I don't know that I'm not a gun

and a bit of power. I don't know a gun and a bit of power, I think, and I'm going to be I'm saying, I think I'd have been a badmarde, you know, I'm, you know. It's just,

it depends on the fashion that you think. I, like, if I arrived at an apartment, they're in trying to count to the money and it's already arrived, there's

400,000 in the table. Well, I, we'd count to the If I had 400,000, I'd be content to say, guard,

we've got, we've got, we've got to seize 400,000 to crime organized, we've been to say 25 kilos,

50 kilos, we've been to get to be doing that, we've got to that's a real. I,

the rancor of the glory, it's the quality and the quantity of the quality

of the detenue, guard, we've been to cut the the title of the crime organized, we're

we're on the with 3 kilo of heroine it's that's a rancor

I'm in I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'm saying I'm saying we're saying 390,000

and I'm sitting a bit crotch in my pocket in back and she's a bit more more expensive she's a bit

to my shift at each at a time to get a for you if it's not for you I'm trying with

the police it's not for you it's not for you I mean, I don't know not so much my life for the risk

that I'm trying. Now, we're talking for that. We're talking for that but I'm talking about.

But I'm working with the policeier, the policeier who I saw that the first

instant that it was not for them. In the sense that he had a

depression of a way or what that so forth and that even

a way after a operation policeire that I had an agent or agent

who is I'm part in depression because it's too for him or her. I'm saying, well, I'm saying, I'm probably

not at your place. You're maybe at your place in the police, but perhaps not at the division of the

crime organized. At this level that, you'd be better to be able to work out, or other, or that, you

affect not. So, when I do everyone at their place, it's at a place, you know, you're at you're trying to

see, you're to be able to if you're or of drugs like that, that would have had a difficulty to do that's the same thing,

that's the same thing. The police who's been able with me, he's not capable to cope with that,

he's going to do other other things. At the way, I'm at least I'll expect. But it's like that.

I, if you mean, if you're saying if you've been police, social, community, for all over

people, and my conjoin' the young, the old madam that's called the police 40 times

per because she has had been in her apartment and we try to listen to it's going to have to be able

to have to have the convict of the service professional adequate to she'll call the police

40 times per year, I would have cut her phone and I would have found a

other way that's not the way the best that I'd have not the good

method, but my conjoin she is specialised in this sort of event

that, she's her place. I'm it's not the mine. I'm

I'm repressive. The reason of the action. Action. She's a socio-communotary. So, it's an all around. 100%. Yeah, I try to see where I'm going, because there's a tonneur because there's

a time of place. I've got to continue there. I'll return on something that you've mentioned. I've got to revenue on Polytechnic. At this moment, you, I try to make your age, you're still in the center of the debut of career. When that, it's a lot of that.

6 December, 1989. That's so. Yeah. I was a young policeier. You're still a patruer at this moment that? Yes, but at

this day I was in civil and then I was surveilled a gang that we had the Chilean that we called

the ketchup gang. And this day that I had been in he was in the center Rockland

and then there had these grand mantos and they were with the interior of their

mantle that were doubled in aluminum and he they'd they'd there

quantities of be a bigjew of mantle, and he was in a while he was in a minute, we've made a take-down, we're in a lot of course, and then I had discovered their cache on the boulevard St. Lawrence, and we're at perquisitioning,

when the Pellant, fusiade at the Polytechnic. I'm in, I work with Prode DeSuro, who is my colleague at this epoch, and then, and then, it's she's she conduit, I'm a passenger, we're in

an auto normal. And then there's a there's not a siren on this auto that's the two fars that's the

fire that's that they flash and then there's there, we have someone who is at the

technology that he's in he's in being in front and I'm saying to payche too,

rent to be the puttow possible and then pass here on on the on the

on a moment of an he's to be to be able to be a vion that's not

a car I'm not I'm not able to pass by this genre. So, we're

on the and then on arrival on the time my director of police at this time that, the director of police

he said, there's possibly a place of a tithease. We're going serene the school and then we go

with the revisseur. I'm going to say, fuck you. If there's someone in trying to to get a

student there there's and I go and I go and go three policies on a uniform who says, we're going to

get to you to ensure your security. I'm I'm going to have the interior. All

what I have to identify is my plaque in my coat that's attached to a chain and then

the more it's more I'm, I see the people are people who are people who are in courant,

he is at the tirer is at the second, I'm in there, obviously, with my

arm of point along of my criss and then in the porty there's a

woman abatue. She's she was at the entry of the the class. I'm in the class

the Tuer just to make end up to make Fins to make Fééééé there's like a stage surreleved in

the class for don't the course he is there there's there's an arm semi-automatic pointed

to him and then a part of Cervelle to have mache like a coupole at the

and then I'm I turn to the class and it's the carnage there

there's there there's there there's for certain, it's these are dead evident.

But I arrive in the 5th and the 6th range, there's a woman who is there, she has a

ball in the head, but she's always living. So I'm at the knee and then

I'm in his eyes that's a peering, and I'm saying, no, no, I'm in civil,

I'm a policeier, I'm here to help, and I'm just I'm in my hand, and I'm

put my wakit and I'm and I'm said, the revisseor, you are dead, the ambulance to PC at this

place at a tell end up a place in there's a person who's there's there's a hand,

I'm trying to be able to the secour and it's the first time that someone had been in my

hand perhaps she was my man had been decided. And before she had she said,

I felt my impucence in the sense that she had a little she had a true in

the head this person that I tried to colmatted, the fluid, I didn't know

what to do I'm trying, I'm trying to make my way to get to get to keep up to get and so much

but he was there's a thing that is dead. I'm going to I'm left there. And then

there was a other girl who's still alive, she had tried to have tried to and he

had tried in the pumon and his pumon was it had been in trying

to mourn I'm trying to move, I turned to the coat, and then I've vied the

of her and so much and so much and she has survived I've never ever seen this girl

uh uh uh after that this salo has been my sign of crime I had

had been all the night with the car around me the time the time that the police

the homicides arrive and then just there was it was there was

there all the policeiers went and and so I said that's my sign

of crime there There's no, there's no person who will enter in this sign of the crime, and there, the next high grader that arrives, he rents not, he's arrived at a old grader, I put in a

hand on his poitrine, I said, sign of crime, Mr. Inspector, you're not here. There, me, had regarded, the lady that was on the stage with a poniard

in the thorax, and he looked and he said, he said, Mr. you, you've made an excellent work, thank.

He revere at bar, and he's parted. it was her she was there on the stage and then it was an inspector LaClair

it was her he was he was in a state, he was he was in a state, he was devenue, he was in a state of he said a good work, he's

never to have never to the police, this man, with reason. So, so that, that's

that's one of my three events in the school. I've I had, I had,

been on these fusiades in three schools, there were the polytechnic, there had

had a Dawson, there had had been Valerie Fabrican, where I were still

in uniform when Valerie Fabricant had there, I was, I was the professor

over me who is in face of the cell to try to have been in the head

also, who is who is deced on the And then, and then, when there was a fugitive at Dawson, I was out of the Palais of Justice, of a cause, and I'd heard that at the radio,

and I was arrived at one of the first on the years. You were not far. It was not long. And then, and then I, I sequestried a restaurant in saying, there, we're from the restaurant, and we're going to enter the blessed here for the treatise.

And then, and then, and then, again, the people sort of in current, the students, there are, there's many charers at the interior, and so on,

and he had been to be taken by one of my friends, but he had made to see

to the year, and then there's that I have seen there's a common, so

in these scenes of crime that where there's there's that's a number of

people, there's there's there's just one, but the people under,

the stress and the nervement, there will have to one, two, or three,

when it's the same person. It's the case at Polytechnic and it's the case to Dawson, also. So it's a malereous hazard

that made in that I've made in a lot of in three scenes of crime in in these schools in my career,

I don't know if it's to be to other policiers, I don't not, because it's a trist,

but for for what's the polytechnic, I'm even though I'm not to have to be in

I'm going to want Because, because, because, I'm always in my sector, and then I'm always pre-intervening

on something that's quite, and there, at the moment I was, I was in intervention with the people that I've arreta that's in the

Lichilien, the ketchup gang, that I you've been so I'm going to my sector. There, I'm said, if

I had been more close, is I'd could intervene, is that I'd could it abatted before that you had been able to

14, maybe. It's for that the debriefing that's changed that's changed that's not

it's not much. We did make a briefing immediately after the tension was out and then there's a policeier who

said, Philip Paul, you had not to have a thing to get a zero-vive than a hero

more. And I'm to respond, Chris, I'm going to get in the police for so over

the life, and if I were there, it's to be able to so, and so so.

But today, the fashion to do the Now, the policeiers are formed as a first intervenant for entering in case of

a fusiat, massive in a school, the policeiers are formed for that, have a way, have a technique of intervention that is now

rowded. Even the professors in the schools are trained for that now. Otre time, out of time, we're in other

meur, it is so that can be modify our fashion to do that, and that's what is what you

when you me I had the section polytechnic that you have recounted, probably I thought, I thought that the poached in my on my screen, like they've been dressed.

I've had an enormous bowl of emotion. I mean, I've really really talked about about it, because it's really, especially the way that you tell you, you me

about the monsieur who has seen his wife and all that. I'll come on the episode the last that I was turned

before you, with Josie, who has seen and has have you've been with many of things, and that it was going to get just to a shock post-traumatic to make a minute.

That, you know, I said, you know, I said, you know, it's the first time that in my bra, what's what you say, it's a

first time, so when we say it's the first time, I don't know, because it's because it's because it's because it's because it's

that, you see, you know, all these scenes, that are, all of what you have been to say, and I'm just to say,

I, you know, I get to be to ask, you to be a cotrony, and it's, with what you've been, with what you've lived with what's

with what to have been going to be like that's a lot, you're going to give the shit, you know,

but it's enormous for an human, and we're our stress and of each one of our fashion,

each human is made a fashion, but, you know, a minute, you, you,

you cast, you, you, you, you consult, you, do you, do you,

a minute, you're, whoa, it's a, too, entom, or you've always I had a character.

Emotionallylely, it was very difficult. Even if you talk to that, to your colleagues or what it was not been able to, it's difficult to understand when you've not been to get. I just in the emotion that I've had when you've got to count, he crissed, I'm not there.

I've seen the film, it's a very important to go if you've not seen the film polytechnic. It's a real of you talk to the film polytechnic because I've participated at the mission,

the traitors. And then when you You're doing in the mission the trade, you have to rest in your chamber for the

day until you that you encounter the same that you know, who has played in the film,

like, effectively. So, you have not access to the radio social, you have not

access to the internet because for the security of the mission. And then we let

some of some people that I can listen during the during the film polytechnic.

There I'm sitting on my book, I'm a envelope of a film Polytechnic.

Chris. I've vied- this film that's a time to be and I'm the actress

that's the that's the name for the Marne Vanance. So, so this

night, after the record, I've talked to Karine Vanance, I'm,

I'm, very good actress that you are, but that, never I heard

heard, because I 've been given, and it has been made, and it's pretty,

she's pretty, she's pretty, it's If I didn't have never Mised, you know, They're not They're not saying, they're not

Exactly, but effectively, my therapy to me, I'm really I'm a lot of nature, I'm a guy of forest,

I'm a guy of wood, it's a guy of my father, and then, with the time, I've renovated,

I'm just construed a little tidreavio. And then, a moment of a day, they're a time,

a week, a, very, very long at the with the court with the people of organized to

tell me I'm in a roll-ball. I got out of the court, I'm in my char, I'm going to

into my car, I've got to down, and I'm up to get to my can't to get to because,

there's not there's not there's a there's the place where I can't decantate. I'm

I'm in I'm in trying to attach the the avion to the okay, I'm of my colleagues,

a of my friends who pass in chalup who a man with a barb at a zizi he tapp of about three feet of long he's looking at least

Chris Phil what's what he's going to pass the end of the last week in my chalet and I do you I mean quite that's the first time that I saw a guy

in the wood here in abbey cravat I had even not pretty the time to change. I had totally to quit

and me change the idea that I'm having to in abe crat in out of the court to to arrive at

my chalet there for for him it was obviously a contrast obviously It's like I was sure to look at

I'm sure I'm even not pretty the time to get a time of a time of a idea of a

car to be a car with a job of my chair to get a man to wear my chappo

to wear I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I said I'm I've had to heart to party

but it but it's like that for me my therapy consultate I've

done some I've done some of some of we've done to do it due to after the

event but I I'm made that for me it's not that's not that's a

other thing, but today I'm saying, is that the good thing to do you know,

because there's because there a night, that I don't know, that I don't, that I'm

that you can't, that's all right, or that I've every six December,

I've revi the pain that I've used the public technique, I'm ask,

I'm again the question, is that I'd could do something more? Is that I could continue

my career policeier even before to bring my retreat? It's all me trot in the

head today. All right, that's all to say, that the end of my career had been

too drastic and I had probably had been to get to get to get to be

to make to pass to that time. But you have at the intelligence

emotional to to be at an affair that there I've got I'm trying a plug a because I'm

going to get a plug so, so you're not not done to, you know, I'm, for me

to try the plug it was to open the valve and to do something that, that, that's sure

that the police, it was 95 percent of my life at the time, so that I

said, I'm sorry to my friend of saying, I'm not been there not enough

to, you know, Today, I try to remit that a bit to make that a bit of my children, but I'd

have to be there more for us at the time. My my wife, she, she,

had prena, on what I was doing, I was doing, and then I'm very, obviously,

like, many other who were in the same domain than me, it caused

a cause a divorce. So, so, today, I'm with a policeier

that, she, could be, it, it was not a police to, my

first female femme. The conjoin that's actually is a

policeier so I'm a lot of what it could be but I'm if you're if you

would be if I would be not perfect we're not perfect. We can't be sure

I'm doing I'm going to the mission all all right and I'm there's

he was exactly the question. If it's to refer to Mr. Paul

Is it you referre the same The answer? The answer is no. I'm not perfect. And then, yes, I would have modified certain

things, but it's easy with a recule to say, well, I'd have to do that otherment

because we've lived in a certain fashion, but what I did in my career, I assume,

if it's to refer to the same thing? With some, with some modifications,

but I'd possibly the same kind of career that I've had been You know, you know, you

have said that you have been stupfiant, crime organized, and you've even mentioned, manned, manned,

manned, a boe to omicid. Yes. Because I, assigned, it's, it has been,

they're doing they're doing that's a guy, that's also implicated in the traffic of stupifian, a radio,

a radio, so we're trying in a, conjointment, effectively. You know, there, excuse me,

it's, it's the same the same, in the same, is the An inquiry, when you're to stupefiant,

when you're to stupefian, when you're on the crime organized, it's a method, like,

completely. But in this dossier that, by example, we're completed. The to-

or the group, in this group that, it's a group of a association

that was paid by the mafia Italian to do people, and he

had paid 75, 000 to the gang to make to make to tell murder or

such murder, and so and then, we, we, we know they know

because it were also the traffickers they were they're going they're going to do so they're doing all right

to do you do things, trafficking of drugs, prostitution, meurte, or whatever that's worth. And then

when I went to work with them, we had their methodology, at a moment of a moment I got to

their vehicle that had used to for make a murder and then I had made the

suit of that to see the there was there was there was there was a number of

And then, know-saint-and-a-face-organized, these guys that were the mafia Italian, we'd use these methods that they don't know not.

The homicides, they have they have been very, very precise in martial. Cartesian, really. Yeah, and it's normal.

That's the ADN, the T-Moyne, the T-Moyne, insiduit. But, we, we'd an other facade

that was the crime organized, the informator, their way to do their fashion to work, the person

the person who frequent, so on making all that, we're making we're doing, we're doing a task force

quite indestructible, and that it's made to get to get, and it's never viewed, you know, a radio of a radio,

a network of a traffic of stupfian, a radio of traffic of arms or of exportation of auto-volate it, it was

a network, we had never seen that, and then it had made a term to make a term to their

activities and to resolve of many meirte in the same time. So it's that you see that

you know that you know that will be able to see that's a lot of people and people are in different people who continue to create

the crime organized the crime did the same they're in other bands the union does that we're in this

moment at Radio Canada the anti-gang you know it's it's just as you can you you may have

you've been a couple of times in the you know what we're what we're there's a guy

who came to have been to have gotten to get a team it's a team it's like it's a

it's like a there's a different level. It's that you know what you're doing the mayor of

everyone, you know, when you get to someone of the GRC and that I had the

information on the importation I had someone of the GRC, I had someone

of the doone that the that's the container or or what that's information that we

have been of out of we're we've got instantaneously because we're together. At the way,

to pass by Pierre Jean-Jogue to have the information, but we're all right, but you're talking, when I said, you said, oh, yeah,

the last Josie Kierry who's not out of course, person has seen, that's been a year, that's a minute, and you know,

and she said, because she had been at us had a little of the airport of Montreal, with the GARC, and there had been

a minute, she had to have to have been to get them put them, they're in Zanana the Kilo, the kilo,

the kilo, the kilo, you're just, You're a policeier of Montreal, but in contact with the GRC for this commercial, because you're at all organized.

So she's in a crime organized. She's in the court. She's in a police. She was going to come to. So, I was I had to be said,

I was, I'd attend to stand-bye with 14 vehicles of police when I'm confirmed that the kilo

were seized in the cargazons of that I could do do my perquisition. I was

content when I received the call the appellip, we've found all the kilos are

cached in the an anana, it's in a sort that I don't know a lot of the same way that I'm trying to see a year another way. Yeah, an anana, it's the fruit

that's almost the sugar. Yeah, but it's not just of sugar, and then it's just sugar. And then

the thing that doesn't that don't that's not that. But it's one of the work that I

have done that I've actually that that's that for to say that actually, with different

corps police, it's the same that's the the security of Quebec, with the other corps

policiers of the U.S. Customs, U.S. Border Patrol, how many the New York

Police Department on different dossiers. But, but but today, in 2022, I'm going to the misery

to the U. because I make inquiette, I'm made inquiette at each point. Because?

Because certain members of the crime organized for me make the baton in the row, are called

to D'O. D.O. D. D.C. Paul, they transport these arms, des explosives,

the drug, he has a fair with the people of of the crime organized, a year, and so it's even a few people

that's even that's over to the guy, and that's the guy, they're going to be, it's probably not right, but we're because we're

not, we're , we're not we're just to get to that it's more more easy for us to get to to be able to

than to than to do and that you there comes something a bit later. So, so it's,

it's been still all recently, this story, at cause of my way,

the way the way of the way to pay the price. It's part of of the

price of that I'm a bust, a bust, like a place of, is there, is there a

question on, who is who is who's, okay, this time that we're

going to this time we're saying, because there's because there's a fearty to go to go

to go to the media, and to announce a series Well, often it will be multi-task force, like if the anti-gang did the job, we'd say, say, say, say, say, let's, let's be a centen of arms-to-few,

with 50 kilos, the conference of press, it will be the commandant of our section, we're with the commandant of these other sections, with each of their drapeau protocoler in arreire, who vetted, they've been to pete the job that we've done. It's, it's fete, it's chie it? No, we'll see the, the bananas in the front of the cameras, and we've seen, and in the fact, we've seen.

The director who goes there, because it's us who who do we do with the inquire, it's we're doing, we're doing not having our face etamped everywhere. It's correct, you know, that's, that's made made, but if you do you say it's chie, well, the sole

thing that's been that's quite, you'll have been the first time that you've got to be talking to something that we've said that's not until to who he says, because he, he has never

viking that. But it's correct. Chaconneau. You, it's the administration, let's me do my work on the level of the You're going to do with a little conference of press,

to say it's not, it's not not so much, it's not quite, you know, my dad, I was just content the last night with my coffee to open the journal, I was what we did, you know, we're doing that, we've done, that's that's not in the street.

Maloreusementment, you're not saying 50, there are 150 40 the land of the night? It's, maloreusement, but, you know, it's all right, you know, it's still been 50 to more than the road that you're going to receive a ball in the door

with, you know, but it's, it's like that, it's Like that. Is is is that the victory is

good versus the defafeat? I don't know it's not how it's not there's a I'm saying yeah,

hey, you've been to bosted you, but it's sure that there's there's

there there's different ways to see the there's there the government that's

we're ready to get to get the arms to a gun and serr and

and so on the same, we're saying that there's an real, and there's an legal, he's going to have to have, the guy

who has made the jury at polytechnic with a fusie of a suit, he would have also been doing that with

a 30-0-6 semi-automatic, and if he had not been able to make the gun, he would be some of

cooking, and he would have made of a other way, and the guy who is entered in an

other school or in a center to try to turn on two people, he would

be to do it would be to do it in a way also. We arrive here that a moment a moment

of a moment of the problem that there's a problem that is often the health of the pandemic.

It's the eventment of the COVID, it has been this type of person that there are more and more who are at

the level of the road and then the police, with the services social around them

and they tend to help the way but there's there's there's

a lot, it's there's a lot it's a fear. What he makes in sort of

when you talk about when you're on the people who see people and they're going to

get to be these people have been need to and we're not all the service to come in

help in fact that it's a type of people who have there's

there some people there are there in some people you know you saw the

you're in the chord of police that he's he'd go ahead with with the cuto

to travel the road to try to to ponder of people. Sto guy

that has two events different at the space of a couple weeks, we're going to remit at

the interior where he must be technically treated for some problems of the problem of the mental,

there's no place, we're there's a place, it's not just the problem of the police,

it's a problem of society. What's what's going to do you? I don't know to make sure, it's a question

of cost, an question of place these people, They don't know. And, you know, I've said, I've said, it's a few a year of course on the universe criminal, carcernal,

and all that, I've received, you know, in the world, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, Pat, who's a guy who has made the traffic, the prison, Nymitt, you, the,

co, and, you, that, and, he, he, he, , he, has part, resisted at the and all, and, and, it's, like, stand-bye, because, there,

you, you know, he's not, it's not, the moment of them are way, but he's just, I don't know a cafe, he's treated like, you know, he's trying to, you know, if you're doing a good to, you know, if you're going to, you know, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to pay my loyrease if I'm not going to find out of the same place than others,

so I can't put put in time, because he arrives not to have an money, of financement, and, you know, I mean, our prisons are desuit, there's a lot of things, and, you know, I'm a lot of it, it's a look, it's a little, and, you know, and, you know, and, you know, the level, governmental, uh, to, have a new point, it's a cost

it's the moment and it's, but if you it's an ounce that you want invests in the system

carceral or in the system of the system of the way, it's like, it's more the next

time, let's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

I'm, my conjoin, she has, she has, she, she, has asked these people, and she,

she, she's excellent, what she has made, but, but, the infimim number

of persons can't aid versus those who are in the business, it's clear, it's a gut of an ocean, you know,

when I look of the itinerant that's at the room, and I said, it's really, I'm going to have to do

a thing that who's a lot and so much because they're some old roulet that I could be able to be able to

be able to those, those who get in the year, and then it's all the sort of idea in

the head to try to end of the people, because they're in misery. It's because there's not just those other in the misery. There are the it's it's not just those who are in

miseries. There are those who are those who are in their problems of consumption who are in misery. Those who are those who have been in their employ, the women who have been beaten, you you're trying to these people, and it's

all these entities different who come to the different. You know, they're help these people. And even, sometimes, want to help help, it's not easy. I think there three, four, four, might Mike Ward had

made fabriced the mini-masons who wanted to do the city of Montreal to help and they're they're doing to get to

they're doing it's almost he had said there's a thing, but there's a little bit of you know,

we're going to find out of your own, because finally it's, you know, if you're going to try,

but, you know, he's like, he's just aid, it's so, you know, to, you know,

it's, it's, it's really, it's really, it's really, sometimes, we're like, there's like,

there's, there's, there's, It's to pay and pay, because it's all cut cheap. You're going to, look, there's a lot. You're doing, they're doing in a pay to be in a row, you know, if there's a crash internet, and his own engine is not deposed, he is like,

hey, the Tuesday, at midnight, not my pay, I'm mad, you know. It's correct, and I understand, and I jolted there also. When you want to help, especially a gross machine, like the Ville of Montreal, there's the bureaucracy. The time to pass through the bureaucracy,

the person who has needed to have the time to crever 20. So, so, so, so at the same time as I working with certain corps of police, the first of

we did, before you have the authority, the guy will be being used to a couch in a center of

and we can be able to pass to other things. Today, it's a bit different, it's a bit more

bit more but it's a same thing, if you work with a grand center like the

city of Montreal, before to pass the submissions and so so, it's

fined not, it's It's a way to counter this to help us to help them. That's one of the reasons why I mean, I'd say, I'd say, well, I'd go to get a minute, we'd go to

and then at a break. We'll go to do other things. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a chiefer, but, you know, an enquiteer that is, where is you

or is that you do part of these gross arrestations, these gross inquiries, you know, you're your informator and all so, you know, it's enormous,

it's a lot of pressure, it's a lot of is it is it is it won't a pen it's

going to get you get you get you get you I'm in the I'm talking about you know what

you know is that's something that's something that's that's it's not to put to pugger

in the four for the quantity of the quantity of you do you know the

the profs that were like like Chris we're not not

paid for and I did that I'm I'm I'm so I'm

we're we're so you never will never millionaires with you. No, no, no, no. Okay?

But there's a different round of millionaires and you go get in time. But for me, the ransom of the glory it was the result of the inquiry. And, yeah, when you do have

do you have to do have your time because with your seven hour and a minute it's not, you know, if you're doing, you're going to

you're going to you're going to your day, he's left at that, you know, so that you have to work sometimes,

you know, the time you do the time you do you do with, so after that, for certain the ransom of the war,

it was the time supplementary that you could have that you could have that's a little bit, you know, yes, it's a little bit more to say that you have to get a mansion

at 1.5 million, no, you know. So, so, that you have to get your glorification to get a

more. My, my glorification, it was the result of a work of a work, you know, a

day, and the guy, and the decubable, and then you saw it, the television, he had poned to five in a

thing, yes, to have to have a convue. If you If you look at a way monetary, you're also

being an agent of immobile or to do work excessively paying than than you do that's I know,

I know, I know, I know I'm not not here, but I know there's quite here, there's

there, you know, company, you know, company, you had that also, you had a company of

telephone satellite, because being a pilot of Bruce, for the regions when you

do you have turned your plan of or whatever you do use a telephone satellite,

and then And then I've commenced on and I'm doing the vance over the chasseers, the peachesers,

the amateurs of the plenair. But that also it's been to make to some of the problem. Again,

a whole people of the page, he said, Mr. Paul, not it's not true to say that

a telephone satellite can be used by a trafficker for loger to be people

and be seen and be there. I'm I'm yes, effectively, but is

that it It's, it's, it's, it's, and then, I've got to be, they've got to this part there, and they've been not made in the

mission, I said, you know, Mr. Lappage, you have a coffre-arrier, on your vehicle, no? Yes,

well, that's a carf, you can be able to be able to transports 40 kilo of coke, but it can also serve to

transporte the equipment to you and you and your car, is, is that for you a trafficant? Well,

no, it's, but, Someone who has killed with a Toyota Furned a Furny Furny the Voturene these

Voture at these criminals But I'm Pretoria After a career Before Before the Venezuela Devine a Under the Dictature

So Maduro and And so I had Amned the equipment there for Construed the Masons I had a

contract for Construed Pustrae Possible That was my After career And then the country

Devenue this dictatorship, I've all over, enormously of the bank, and so it's a result, it's been in

saying, he's going to build these houses in a country where we're doing the traffic of drug. I'd

be asked, where's what I could be building, or if you're not a traffic of drugs, in the

quality of, even if I want a coup of yurriapic in the grand arm, not that's that's a

maybe, if someone would not somebody try, find me more of other

other other thing than that, but, you know, it's like We have We're doing

We're trying to get to get a bad bad aback, because you deplas too,

because you do you have bad at the people, because there's people who you know, when you

work in the way to work and you get to people, people, that's the people who

have been people, the people of the people, or other, you do you

do you do have to do some of people, and then sometimes it's not

for mal-fair, sometimes it's some colleagues of tassed because the time has been

a bit more of an point of a certain period and the shaludy

we're doing, we're we're doing, we're doing it before to do you because it

important, because there's important, because there's informators, and so yes, it was

it's sometimes of the bees, and then the reports of police,

what I could sell certain policiers who had had, let's, say,

there were, there were, there was, there the conscience a little elastic, so,

I read certain reports that that made in order that that's that were in inquieted but it

had that they'd be able to that's not that's not me that's these sources of information that they

retransmeted that information I'm I'm a yoll and I'll and I'll say not, I'll say

I'll pass for a crotch because I'll let's do, or I retrans the information,

we'll verify if it's if it's very, t'pip for him, if it's not

true, too, but it's not been the same way, he said, look, he,

just because he may he or whatever it was not the case. I could not inventing that, these information, it would be of these sources of information that were often very viable. I'd say, I'm going to noming a one, Bashir Ayad,

who was a criminal notoer, one of the poor traffickers of arms that I've ever, a very great trafficking and superfiant, and a tuer, again. A moment of a moment

to, a moment of course, I'll start, I've seized the drug, the drug, of the money, so much, just as time he said,

he made a contract on the contract for me. A contract to do you? Yeah, for me to make a

phone. Philip, change the chaff, attention when you go to show, so much, I said, okay, perfect,

I'm a partner, I said, to be your partner, and you, where's the we, we're,

we're going to, we, we're in, I'm going to the door, he'll open the door, he comes blank like a dra,

he's said, what's you can't do, what's just, I'm going to take a coffee. Okay, when we're going to run in the house, he'd say,

I'm going to be, you know, if it's not derange not, I'll even have to have to be prepared, we don't know. I'm not. We've got it. We've got it. There's two ways to do things. You have a contract on me, neither it, nil it, I'm in balance.

But there are two ways to do. So, that you travel with me and the things will more go to you, or that's going to continue to to try and work in prison, you're going to do to descendant. It's one or it's the other. When I'm

parted to share of them, he's given an informator. He must soon, done a vehicle with two kilo of heroin, a vehicle volic, of the arm, the land of the end of mine, and so much. And it's become a good informator. I'd have not been a lot of it. No, it's not a... No, it's not a minute.

A informator. And at a moment of a day, he's called, he says, there, Philip, here, here, I'm in here, I've got to give to you, let's hear of information to give to the policeiers. I'm at home my, excuse me,

I'm like, but it's, it's dangerous for a guy who's a , I mean, they know who you are,

you know who you are? You know, I'm not. I don't know the guy at them. Okay? One of my

place of of the parking in the Rotas at St. Joseph, because it's rare you

get a criminal there, okay, we're saying, but he had a reason particular because he

wanted me to see my this day, I'm in my partner, and then he me said in

English, he said, well, I'd to be able to to be able to to be able to to go to

the clouture here. He said, he said, he went over after to me descend. My partner

doesn't know not very well the English Kassie, Libanet he had, and he said, he said,

if you've said, if you've seen a guy to and say, because he come in here, it comes here to

he retransmere the information that he has to me done, which is an information as precise,

when I'm quit with my partner, he has started two the door, and they've been downed to go to and they're doing

in the day of the time of he's going to be in front of he's dead. But I've been put to try to his information that's avaried, it's that, the view of my interlop,

you know, a day, he was a hero, he had a lot of money, he did, what we called these burn of drugs, he had assembled to vend 10 kilos of

coke to someone and then when the person paid, he'd save with the drug and he'd rematted not, So there had a panoply of the enemy who wanted to descend

but the information that he was transmitted was pretty much good to receive I'd probably not very, very, very, very, very, very, and, I'd say

to all the policies who'd come to be to come and be with me, are your gunn with you, are your gunn and pretty of you in your hand,

and we'll be in a place to be safe for us. So, when I called a meeting, in some I'd

I'd have always a half hour and I'd see if he were to arrive at a

place to be and then when he arrived at a minute, I'm to get to be sure, to be sure

that it's safe for me, my, my team and for him too, the fact to be,

I'd tell you a bit, you know, you know, I mean, the gross enquettes,

you're the that's the person who's the first of , you know, I'm I'm going to it's me who

he's got a but you know, a good a good policeier you do you do you

do that's just my job the fact of the fact of the result of being effective and have

an great a broad network to have a minute is that you know

you know you know you know it's it's it's luch who touch who

it's it's it's you're you're finished by to be, you know, inquieted to

see, Chris, he is to the Jetfield? Well, yeah. He has started a

show to TV on a moment of a moment of the man, he was aftain, the police of Venezuela,

just to what I had come to. He had a lot of a story, and he had made a photo of

me in the south where I think a guy by the guy, by the we have,

we have, we have the chappo of mafia on the head, and he I said, look, Philip Paul, he is posed

in an endroar, here in America of the South, with an man of affairs of the world interlop, when, in fact, it was my nephew at his marriage in Jamaica. That, it's been the debut of the end of the end. Because the police, my convoyed, he said, will have an emission of TV on Toa So, at the moment, we don't know, it's what,

but we're going to suspend. Wow. At a little, yeah. The week past, I've made a bit of a week, policeire in uniform, transports the kilos of in the

car of police for his wife and dealers at the rive south, then you're on course on the road

in trying to get to get to get to not even you've been you're not you're

going to be suspended? Yeah, but Phelip, you control the informator and so it could be

grave. So, it's finally to make in sort that I've metonted the commandant

and the responsible of the affairs internal, that had the conscience elastique at the time, I was

looking at the time, I said, he said, he's at midi-monds and then you will write to say, well, you know,

Philip, there's a person who doesn't have his retrait in his own and you're in front of you.

It's not true, that you're going to be a bandy and that I'm going to be a month as you

when I'm when I'm doing the days, you're in the days, you're not the me, to find, my right of parole.

So I've tried my retreatte. I'd never had to do that. It was not the way of

and I convent today. I got to my right of the word of power, and there

I've got my first book that's called Cupable to be police

because it's the case. We, we, we'd treated to

all sorts of things. I'm can't be defund, it's it's

I had a journalist at the time that had started all the time, I said,

if I had started the stories on you're in that you'd and that you had to come, you'd

to come the dealer in the parking, that we had said, the cold in your case,

and so, you'd like that I'd make that you on a mission TV

on you when you know, when you know, but I'm because it's your crinow,

it was something that was something that you'd had to keep that, and you've become good to be able to

you know, for a minute, at the television, you're doing something on me that's completely not

not real. So, I've been because in these first time, where these stories are, I went to

me to do with this guy, it's a guy, he's probably, you're talking a little that you're

talking to have a little bit of when I had a publiceck, but, I'm talking to book the television, I said, no, I mean,

I'm going to and the way of that's been to do that's at least, it's been to create my book, and it's after that,

I'm going to do that you're in the television, and so to explain my story, but if you me demand today, if

it's a moment a moment of my life, it's probably the moment the moment the most

the most to my life. To have have access to all the info that you

have, to have access to to all the informator is you think

that's too to be too to be able for a man? It's not the power to be able to

the problem. It's not the word is not the good term but it's to have access

massively of the information let's I think I had the section of the section of

a very I could create different and that were used and that were

the sections or the corps of the police concerned it

It's a lot of good, yes. The reports that I've made, the information that I've reached to obtain, we've reached, we've reached

to make these sensed phenomenal of arms, of drugs, of auto-volve, of cargo, of van-volet, you name it.

And then, for me, it was the Ransom of Magloor. The end of the same, the informator continue to work,

he continued to tell, they continue to give the information, you're at restaurant, you've written, you're written it's

on a bit of paper, and when you get it, and then when you're to get to be in your own, you're going to get to a rite at a

car, and you're in a car, and you want to get to get to get to that, and so, it's a part of your work. If I'd

not wanted to that, I'd have been to fuck you the informators, and I'd hear, I'd be attending

my dossier, but I'd get to be able to that, that's it was, that's it me at

the time. Is it in your career, in fact, you know, I'm in fact that you, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying, because, you're, so, it's too, seven-sour-seven, 24, 24, your telephone, your page, at a certain epoch? Is it, you know, is, is, is, is that, is, has been, the, the reflection that has been, the reflection that's a fraction of second, of, of, I, to, I pace or I don't, is, is it, in a certain situation where you're sent, you? Or the fact of, you, the fact-d-hate-hater, you're a bit more. When you do, pes-s, it's a detente, is, to protect my life? Yeah, you know, there's a...

There's a thing that you're going to have to say it to come to and then, and it's a bit of a bit of a few times by day. It's at a point that I can't start my arm five times per centred because when you're at all stupefiant, you do what we call it, buy and bust. So, we have some of the perquisition regular and in a way continue.

But if you put a question, I've already tiried, yes, I've been a few in the parking of the Place Versailles where a trafficant of drug had a Sarrived Sud we've seen

to play a hockey and put in a place Versailles to make a deal but it's that at this

time that the place Versailles to know that's like the poor place in the big room

but he didn't he didn't the arrive south so we're

we're on on the guys on the guys on they're long view

in the work of the We had Contrere, a vehicle in the rear of him, a vehicle in in front of him. It's a

way, I'm the vehicle in front of him, so I'm boxed, we're not in it's not, and I'm

doing the commandment, and I'm doing the commandment, he's put the on the four-wheel drive,

he embrayed that on drive, and he pussed my chair. And there I was at discovered. So,

for me to be able to he embrayed their culeon and he re-reured on me, he reused on my car

on my auto and do you do an firm like Kenny or what you have a job? I said, no. I've sauted on the hood for me protect The Tien or the sien. The sien.

And now, after it's Wiper, and in sootting on the hood, my first cut of fire, my first cut of fire he was in his heart. So, I've taken, I vised his heart, and I've tried a cut of fire. The ball, at the time,

exploded, there was a true in the head of the ball, for that it can be to take the expansion in a car human to evicted that it's a face three

coin of the and it's a travel of the center of chau. The ball has passed at a travel the vitt,

has made three-puss and had to be on a dashed like a souvenir. He's

had left that on drive and it's on my auto he had sooted on the side conductor

and he's he's over the passenger, he has been on the other side, on the other side,

on the other on the place, and he's in court, for this mail at travel the world, without knowing that my gang he had attended at the port,

they had made the cord of linge, and then we're intercepted. My partner, who is, today, my colleague, chasseer, he he's, he's, in a state of arrestation for murder.

Because when he had tended the coup of and he had seen the vehicle, he'd think he'd he'd becked. So, he'd he'd have to be

murder, at this moment that, and, I'd type on the post, I'd say, Eric, Cepil, I'm in rear of you, I'm there. So he was in a state of arrestation

for murder, but he said he was and he was a tentative of murder, and then he said, and then we've been noted and we're and we're

so, so that's the first time where I've been in my career. Is you content that the ball was coming

on the dash and that'll have not to have been to get to my question? Yes, because, you know,

today, what's he who he did that guy, he merited to die? I'm trying to change the siennes today. But you've not

had been, but I can say just a thing, for example, is that this same day, I was that I'm in the ambulance,

because the vehicle had kind of had kind of and the protocol made in so that the ambulanceier do be able to

verify your sign vitos, you're correct, and so I'm in the time to find to verify my sign vitos,

and then, my commandant and then, and then the first thing me said, Philippe, I just that

For you're happy, I want to just that you know, I want to say that the guy that's he's correct. The ball has just

made three-puss to be on the dash he has not been blessed, he's correct. There, I'm a little the enervament.

I said, Chris, you did that for trying to to me to make sure, the guy, he tries to

to me carosier, I'd want to be to be able to be able to be able to be to be able. Ah,

but okay, d'clock. So, the ambulanceaire had to be a droll. But for me, at that,

my focus was to make a term to to someone to get a reposte and to be able to but that

but I'm not to be sure, you'd be is that you're content that you're not, not content,

but, you, to not have to be able to with the fact that you've been but if I had been, no, because I

would be my life or cell of a person of a person, you know, I'm not a tuer.

the fact to to do the fact of for me it's not a phantom or something

I'm not I'm offered a other day hey you would come with me in Africa we'll go

to go to get to the lion and you do you do you do you do you do you

do you're you're not you're not you're just the fact to you're just the I'm

I'm not the I'm not you're in some I'm just I'm I'm chasteer and

when I'm an orignal, I arrive at a coat, I'm a man on the same, and I'm sorry, and I'm sorry, and I'm my family, you know, but I'm using the meat, you know, and you're doing the animal, you? It's that. So, no,

I'd go ahead of fair so. So, so, you know, it's not something that I'm not something that I'm going to do and if you have to do do it, you know, like, if you have to do the pin,

in a polytechnine, I'd have been brought this hour, you know, but we're there, but, we're not, you know, you know, you know, you have a lot of image in all the

you've been in a few, you know, you've got a lot of, you know, at least you're not to live with so the image or the conscience

of the fact that, you know, to take a man, someone has decided, you know, to, you can,

in conscience the fact that all of your life has saved some hundred, or some to be,

some years. I'd be curious to know how of the life can be saved with

the information that I have given with, at my my career, I've no idea.

But, I'd hope to say it saved the of one sole person, I'd I'd be content. At the quantity of drug and arm that you've been

in front of, is the famous kilo that someone's not that's not there's probably someone who's you know,

the gun, there's not, it's not a nerve that's not there's a bit of there, there's not, you know,

there's not, you know, but I mean, it's more fun to live in saying, hey, I'm, I'm probably

saved these lives that, hey, this event that, I'm not a lot, but for me to protect, I'm inwee,

I'm in front of someone, you know, effectively, because we're saying, that's the thing,

it's just, you know, have you, feel, Phil, the, had you been, you know,

you know, I'm, yeah, it's, it's a , well, it's, a man,

but, Chris, there's a family that guy, that, you know, like, Bache,

Riyade, there had a family, there But you know, you know, you know, you know, even today, you know,

I'm not in police. I'm, in my activities, I'm pilot. And this year, I've been to encounter these people at an event airy.

And then, and then, the two people that I've met to meet at 5,000 feet of me to say, if you read in my

thoughts, I'm on there, I'm like, the problem, but it's that, you've viking, it's in the

last year, If I'm not wrong. Yes, it's the last year, end up, end up front of September. And then I just

to meet just to get to see the and I'm sure, I'd like, I'm and then I'm and then

they're going, they're in decoling, they're and I'm able, I'm able to get up, the first

on the scene for, obviously, to see the most of the most to you, you're going to

say, you're in the end of my DNA. Yeah, but in this case, it's not I'm not really, because I

I can, I've done the sign that I'm that's there's a after that I did the surety

of the public, we're taking the declarations and so until they he's that they're

that, but this woman, they had two young, young children, who he

had to in the stationing of the airport of the Attuk and then I'm

with the person to the event received a textto, my man

you had to have to arrive to So he said, what's what we're doing? The sole

thing you're doing with the police who go to go and they're going to have to give you and the family and the

family and the death of their parents, we don't have not the point they're not that they're not that they're not because

that it's because there I've been in I think it's I think that because I'm consensured a little more

at the aviation which is the pilotage of Bruce, which is perhaps the part the most dangerous of the world of aviation, and then I've lost many of times, I've got to be a minute,

I've got a pincement of heart. These people, I, I know this event, but that's past the co-to-me, it's a matter of my back, because I

must have crasasan in an avion, me also. I, at St. Enon, I've had a pan motor-o-de-college with my idly,

and I was with my em'-a-mise, and we're creased in the forest. We've seen, as you can see. Thank you.

I was trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to but I'm saying to be my colleague before I'm

saying we're correct. And then the plane had cut out of the air, the air, the air,

had not exploded, we've not been able to and then he's over and said, thank

Philip, you, we've got saved the life. I said, no, the contrary,

I'm you're to almost to be to be able, because your security,

repose in me that is the pilot, I tried to decoled, and I saw that there was a barbottment in the motor, that it was not very

very good. And at a moment, I made plenty of gas, and it's been going to be correct for we're decoled. But in the aviation, we're going to be correct,

it's not true. If you're in a go-car, and there's a pan of the motor, you pack on the side of the road, and it's correct. But in aviation, it's completely different. So, I've made his life

in danger for a reason. From where, where there, I've got a lot, I've had been an experience at this moment that. You have a

true of confidence. And then today, I'm going to a lot of I'm doing to I'm not sure

that my blonde has been enough to be a lot of a three of course, but usually it's very good. The fact

to do that today, the pilot de Bruce, is it a is a way to have to have a

an adrenaline, an adrenaline, an challenge? You know, because we had talked about to talk about who had participated

an episode of the tester, and he's been a little so the problems, have started

after the football, because after the football there's been there's been there's been so you're going to and get to see the adrenaline

in the console you're doing you're doing so you're doing yeah, it's my adrenaline for me,

for me it's the adventure I've made some of the expedition recently in Ecuador I'm going in Amazonia

and so it's just to go to go that maybe the common of the mortals

would be not, I'd say tomorrow I'd in Iraq or at Beirut, but I like to make the

things that are a bit more of the ordinary so the world of aviation of Bruce me men

on the piece of a vehicle that's that are accessible to people to people and that

me permit to make to do that you could arunded your fine of you know

in doing in Colombia Montreal? No, by other our trafficant

of Colombia that we had to Casey. Raymond Boulanger? Mr. Boulanger, that I know I'd like

He'd never even. He'd be able to get me. I'm going to get to be in prison when you have been in prison when you have said

if you're not, you know, if you know, Ramoser Riemontes, is the Bollon Coney-Gat Cove in to get a

Pist of Casey that is the same piece where I've seen, where I have seen the same where the two people are the same

and then when I'm when I'm I was a the I was a meeting a

very much a lot of that I was going to give to the apparel to be an company of

aviation, Artunilic and he he was there. And then Simon content, that the person,

he said, Raymond Bulanger, you know, you know, he said, your face, to me say

to be yeah, I'm to let's get to talk to and he's he said, yeah,

I said, yeah, I'm said, yeah, he made at the some moment that,

he said, when he he'd have saved before his process, he was in his return in Colombia

and he continued to get to get in the bed of the vach that's over the vash, and a

first that was the vash had traversed the frontier, he had to the vans, he'd be a bedden, he

had the kilo of a character, and he would be he'd tell them and he would be

these things there, but a personage, yes, but the first event of Kaye

here, we'd want to the invite to do do you want to make the list in the name the

name the piece of and I'm I'm going to see, you know, if you have not more of the pilot who

came in here, it's for a reason. It's that you have a piece that during the

World War Worldial here, and you have an event major that is a

guy that has made one of one of one of one of the

one of you want glorified that. If you you want glorified

the And glorify the don't, glorify the don't, with all the military who have done their life for their country who come from this place and not to someone who wanted to inunding Montreal and the Quebec of Coke, in amending that,

I understand that's a personage, but at a moment of the day, you have to judge the things. It's like if you met at the parliament the cell, the cell of meeting of Denil-Ritiel, you know, like, call it's okay, it's a part of the history of Quebec, but at At the point, we're not glority, you know, you're trying...

I can't... I can't talk. Because it's a event inusity, an event out of an ordinary, but to there, to glorify a criminal of this way,

I'm not for that, because it's not only only one, it's not correct, but, secondly, it's probably a lot of, he's been popular

in doing that, I'd prefer to do that the same time to a young narco-trafficer who would be to become the kingpin, and he's prepared to do it, including,

to do you, But, you know, like, I'm not going to try to travel my chappos, but, you know, I'd say quite quite a few times of Chicago, even if it's a personage of Chicago, you know, I think not. Effectively. Is it a way of life?

Is it a lot? Is it you'd ennue? There's not a minute that it's not. Oh, yeah. Like I said, there's not, there's not a night, that I'd don't, that I defonce, and I'd rather eat, and I'd ratherate,

there. There's not a morning that I regard not the journals, and that I search not the name of someone, that I've that I've been that's a or whatever the

that's a little bit more, and I'm saying, good job, the guy, I'm content, you know, yeah,

it's quite, yeah, I'm sorry, if you're not, if you're not, if you're not, I'm not sure, you know, that's a guy who

could be quite being hyper-effective. I've got 61 years, I'm still, you know, I'm still, yeah,

I can't even, you can't that's a 161 year, I, I'm still I'm still, I'm going to, At a moment, the gang

who's, who's in a moment of a moment of a time, you're probably that's probably doing the boss, but you could

be an good enquieter with the good source, and it's effective and it's effectively. But it's

been offered some of some of security, some things like that, and so, it's probably for that

I'm for so today I'm concerned in charge of security public in a place, it's

it can, there's, it can, there some, the, who you feel in the call of the information, you do you just

transmit, you're talking to. But, but, but yeah, I think that it will be to make

just in my death, for the reason principal that is that when I'm with the police, I've done

to do that this thing, it's not to do, a retreat, it's prepared. The people they're doing

the course preparation at the retrette, I'm, my preparation to have been to look at

my month and say, I'm that you're in a crisis, but, with reason,

you know, with reason, you know, it's the way that I should, I'd have

I'd have I'd have to make a way of I'm in it's not the way

to do you do you know, we're using the and I'm and I know, I know

that I'm being reintegred in the things are being able but I'm not capable. I'm not

capable. The way I'm afraid I'm a great defo, yes, it's a

great default, I'm I'm agree to make a term to that

and retrover to find our error, but unfortunately, that's, it's an

error that's a matter and then you do it's still in a issue. And then, you know,

you're still, you're in a life, you know, it's a big time of your life, but it's

a little. I'm sorry, because, yeah, I'm retrained, and I'm my hours, I'm still

I'm still, I'm still, I'm doing and I'm to talk, I'm to get, but I'm

but I'm I'm notheous in the sense that I do more what I'm to do it, and then I'm cut it to keep a course to get to be in

my convictions. Yeah. I don't know. He's pretty. Well, but it's not the way. Well,

you're talking about. I'm not bad. It's still it's kind of a good, a be a nice, a good,

a good, a bad way, and you, you've worked and you're talking also, you know, you've been to talk

of film, there's these emissions, what, you know, we're we're using to be on point

on point on on certain situations. So I'm I'm doing the chute of the Empire American with

Deny Arcan, I've coordinated the scenes policeire in that, and I've coordinated the scene policeire in

CAO also, which is a series of Josilito Micho. I've played in

the car over Josito Micho, I've made a panoply of 50th

of missions also. But, But the fact of my assort and counten my career policeier

has been there done that. I'm doing I'm doing. Excuse me to let's their fair.

But there we're in a context different. But it's I'm made to other things.

I've been approached for other other things or what I'm maybe can't

be able to my end of unusited to the grand North Quebec Yeah,

it's the kind of the kind of I'm like I'm the incooo

the adventure, and so we'll see to see what we're doing we're reserved and then we'll continue to be

the mayor conciergeal municipal that we're able to be. It's a hour 10 that we're together,

and I think I'd be probably every entire inquiry we'd be decortique I'd tryper, I'd have

impression that we'd have had had had been a minute I'm gonna I'm gonna you're gonna

to let's vaguer at your occupations and my my parents are still I'm still young.

I'm going to continue. I'm going to continue. Exactly. But, but, thank you,

it's interesting. It's a parko, I know, I'm going to to get to another hour, but,

you know, you know, you've been doing a lot of a little a minute. There's a way of the

time, of your history, I've been quite, you know, I didn't even not that

I'm even not, I'm really, I'm really, you're going to me touched, I've

I've seen it really a sincerity of someone that's a fact that's a good way to be in the question,

I'm not going to it's important that people see the people see, the people can have the real face of what it can't

just what we can be in the journal. But the end of the me, I see, I've got to many people who have been

these problems to criminal, carcereal for each their course, you know, but I'm mean also

and We're in a society where the grand criminal it's always it's always been from the far west, the grand

criminales are glorified also, but there's an an over of the medial also, and it's and it's

to bring a certain drooture in the society, and it's, and it's and it's I'm just

I'm saying one thing, that's, that's a policeier, that's a old manned or consummater,

before to judge these persons there, listen, the don't, Look, let them don't, before to pose a gesture and say

that this person that's a true of or whatever these people are many people, we've been used completely lufque, the things difficult

to live, and then if we they don't, we don't know, we can, sometimes, jugs someone very easily.

So, look at it, before to judge. I don't if you had had taken the occasion to what's the

parloor, but you just came exactly to to describe what we're here, it's what we do you know,

it's the democratization, it's the destigmatization. The people, I'd say, that 90% who are more

the people who were sitting, they've been that they've been in the victims or they've done made the

victims, I would say, that's all all different levels. And, you know, I think,

that's important that the people, just the end up, the fact of the, the facility,

to judge someone who has have been in the prison, who has, who's, that's a only fan,

who's been pimped, whatever, you know, we've touched to do, we, we, we've touched to do,

and I think that's important just to give this voice, and to find to people, it's often, everyone has

a second chance. Phil, I'd thank you, it's, I'm very much, I'm not,

you know, I've tried to say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd have been to give

super long I'm, I hope you've appreciate this story that we've got been able to

manage Foukeko thank you to have to hear of the hear of the talk about