Au Parloir - Épisode #155 - Joanie Goulet

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Joanie Goulet. Ce qui devait être un simple geste de compassion a complètement bouleversé sa vie. En voulant aider un homme qui vivait dans sa voiture, Joanie l'accueille chez elle, sans se douter qu'il faisait l'objet d'une enquête pour meurtre. Pendant plusieurs mois, cet homme partage son quotidien… sous le même toit qu'elle et ses enfants. Lorsqu'elle découvre la vérité, tout bascule. Entre peur, culpabilité et instinct de protection, elle décide de collaborer avec les policiers. Son témoignage et son implication contribueront à l'enquête qui mènera à son arrestation. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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I've received Joani one, I'm probably I'm saying, is hyper-nerveuse, very stressed. We've been talking about the episode. She had

even the difficulty to me look at the eyes. It's a person who has a lot of difficulty to make confidence. You'll understand why. At the base, she has wanted to help someone who'd dorms in his auto. A person who was

under-enquite for murder, what she'll ignore. And at after the moment where this person, that, is entered in his life, she'd already that would appreciate that the authorities let out of current, that there was a murderer in

his house with his children. When she had finally learned, seen certain circumstances that you've discovered in the episode,

she had brought a complaint, she had to go to the police, and she had collaborated.

I'd be used, because that collaboration is a thing, but I think that

what has been made in his case, she has not had been the support.

She has been very well encodered, it had been very well-fetched,

along his version. And I consider that it's unacceptable to use someone to put someone to put someone

other in prison, but really to it's, there's not other term. I think it's like that it has been made

with what I said, and I think that unjust, literally, I think that's really that's really that, it's really, and

it's an impact again today, and also the members of her family. She seemed to go At the end of the podcast, I had not the same person,

and they were very nervous. I had to have to be a couple of repris. It's a go to goch, a right, but the people who come to recount their stories are often nervous, stressed. They're not the people who are very much to be in camera, and micro, so we've got to understand that.

Again, once, I'm repeat, I endorse not necessarily, the gestures, the words, by my inveteries, I'm a person who pronged the liberty of expression. I like the Jean-Fran, who speaks with their car, and have been to parlor.

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I had very hot to hear you to understand your story, your story that is related to someone of other.

When we We've got to come into a person, we don't necessarily the past of this person and we've seen the consequences of the past in your situation,

well, there's been, it's been something of enormous. You've felt you to put your life on pause for help

the police to regulate the past of this person that. I rest flue a but we'll

get in the details later. Before we So, I'm going to know that I'm going to to know

before, it's what your life before to get to see that this famous Benjamin?

You know to what kind of kind of family? It's what your life before

this famous encounter? I'm in the mom monoparental. I'm work in the domain

of the health I've always been responsible of the soan so it

so that so I'm that was what I did I administrated the

medication, and I and I'd and I'd and I'd I'm met with Mr. X by intermedire

because I'm in my know in drois. And he, he said that he wanted he would have an 810

with, just, his own an ancient conjoint, Madame Y. Okay. So,

so, that, you're going to get, in this event that, I want to be to

know who you had? Probably, you came to to come. Riviera. The Lou. Riviera du Lu.

Family, your life, I mean, you know, before, you mean, monoparental, all that, family classic? Yes.

No, no. In the the fact, my two more years are of a father,

and my two more young, they're of another father. Okay. But,

no, it's the family classic, like, so, you know, so you

do you work, you're, you're the parents, the fathers are present?

Yes, so, But in a one, at all the But in a minute, but in a lot of because it's not

not of all that's not that's not to be able to you know, so you're just a woman who's you're doing to

your own, you do, do you know, what's what's the what you know, what's the thing you know,

what's the part of study in okay, by passion, by, uh, it's because

I'm very intellectual even if it's not parable. Oh, but that's Well, we don't suffice to be able to be able to learn, and you're a girl.

I love so, you know, I know the school. Okay. I know that, I've been an impuset one who has been still working at a university

in the quarantine for the pleasure. So I know very well that. How can't this encounter that? So, you've done in the domain of the health, you're a

mom, all that, celibate, I imagine, at this epoch, yeah. Yeah, effectively.

At this time, I had like, I had, I was quite I satire at saste because I had

had been in accident to work. So, in the phone, I'd like a

second on a point in a minute, which is quite at three quarter

of hour of the Riverr Dillu. And, then certainly, it was Frederick

came me to today. You're a friend who had been with you to support

to support in that Exactly. And then the in the person X,

because you don't know because you don't know because you have to know I'm, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry Benjamin. Benjamin, perfect. And we're we'll have he, again. Right,

he, the other, the other, we, we, we, we, we can't but I'm

but I don't know that you, you know, just met in the count on, we're

in what we're at what, this he had been a few times, I'm going to be. Uh, uh, Uh, pretty, I was a CST. Are you having to COVID? 2012. We're going to be in front of a pandemic. He had come back in the processus to go

to get to get in the morning that she had had to she never presently,

she never had never been new. So, my, it's a bit, so that's

a minute, so that's you, you're you're not how? Well, I'm

I'm got to finally, because that, he was he had he,

he, he didn't with her, so, he'd be, he'd dormed in his

car, because he had an interdition of contact with her he'd he'd

in the chair where he would be in the month of October I'm

like to him he's like at the house I'm a room to

live so so but you you cross by

as so it it had it it's like

so like so like so we we we

see one after another even with some with

Angie. And she had worked at at the time at River the Loo

and she had even made a little for my feet. So, I'm a

minute, I mean, I have a heart, I'm a man, and even at that

I'm at that I'm working, I'm in the way in the middle of October,

no, I said to get to get to the house. So, so it's a

Like plenty of other connections that we have in the life? A good A lot of a question. A lot of quite a lot

Yeah, quite be in a moment that you're just a good person who says, hey, guys, we're doing a

little, you know, in your chair, I have a place. Effectively. You're not stressed,

you're not, you're not an inquietude you, you have no, you've got a reason to believe.

Now, you do it to let be for a 810, the people that that's not

a 810 so it's a, it's a a trick of an so you

can't be able to get to an address of a person or whatever. It's

all the number of a number of kilometers. So, you know, it's that's a

person who's someone that's that can be a little red flag, you know,

is that you know, you know, that you know, the person against who has

that person against you he's why, it's why the eight hundred you,

post you you post you some you don't, I know,

than that, and even that I'd say that at a moment done, the police had been conned at my, who had given a paper

like that he had to be able to present at a post of police because there had a plight of a voice of fact,

against his conjoint, the mother of his children. But, I, you know, I'm there.

You, it's not, I'm going to, I'm going with my children. You know, for me, it was impossible. It was really impossible.

It was... No. So, the personage that you present, with you, it's not necessarily the person who he's really, so it's a good comedian. He's depen, he's depen

like... A comedian, it's a mitoman. Well, we do, you know, the women, the women, who are victims of violence conjugale, at the base, you know, You know, the guy, he's fin, he's here, he's just at the part of the moment when we're married or that we're demenoged

and together completely a other person, you know. No, I'd say that he's a lot of, been always always like that. I remember that it's he came to

me to porte to my work because I'm I work to, I'm all the time, he, he's he came to be ported,

and he me texted all the time, and he said, well, then, you're just, I'm worried, my Christ, I'm at job.

I'm in briefing, and when I'm at job, well, I've got to I'm going to do you, I'm not just 10, I'm 205 to do. You have to be able to do work?

Effectively. But, he made all the time of the pressure, and when we're chicania, because I have a character quite quite a little bit, you can't,

you can't be confirmed, but, you'll say, yes, But, you know, he'd always always with my sentiments. And, you know, he'd all the time

like, you know, he'd like, oh, well, she'll have said that she, she said, she said, but, more, I've done, I'd have done it.

Is that when you start to liveger at your if you're in time Camille? Yes, but there's

a relation that's develop between you Yeah, and that's of my fault.

Okay, no, but, well, you know, I'm going to have to be to launch

the rocks. Well, I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to

get to your because you don't know, you know, you know, it's not to say,

I mean, I can't not really really, I think, really, I think that's

served with my vulnerability, and as when we when we are vulnerable, we think

that's a sentiment that's a sentiment that's that's not because we're having a feeling,

I don't know we'll see, we'll see, someone who's with someone to, you know, the appartanance is not necessarily

the good term, I think, of the chaleur human, in part of, you know, we can be we can be

we're in the love and of affection, because we develop some affection for someone. I'm going to

I'd French would be able to you know, you understand? You know, I'm trying to get to be there's a

lot of people I'm very but, you know, when we're single, we're we're celibate we're a mother,

there's a person, there's a presence, well, we can, there's a certain vulnerability a

man that that's there's then that then you know, when we're all the when we're all,

and that's just that to work, to be to be in the house, well, man,

we're a need to come up like a person, human, I'm going to be able to

these guys heterosexual who have made a prison who have been with, just,

with, just, there, because a man, it's a need, to,

you know, totally, so, so, we can, we can, we're, we're,

we're, there's not the red flag, we're so, we're so, it's sure, it's more

It's more easy when we're out of the box. Effectively. But to see the red flag out of the box are more than you're there. You're like a 810 like your ex. Yes.

You're quite intense on the textos when I'm at the job and I'm in a minute we can see, he's worried he's worried so he's worried

it really tant and I think that I'm a minute at a point arcelling. Okay. Yeah. And I thought

that there was a problem a minute I said, well, let you say, It's not You know, all the problems

with which he'd be in I'm in sacraman, I'm sorry, I said, you're not a sign

that, everyone made, I'm trying, I'm creating almost like in a film. You know,

you know, you can't have to that, and you say, that's the fault of

all the world, but it's never to be the time. It's because

God, you know, because God, you know, let'sive, there. What's you say?

Lestive It's when you're going to say, I'll have it hergey, I'll eater, I'll eat I'm in cigarette, all what you want. And when he arrived, even if I'd a night, and I had four children

that, he'd arrive, and the soup, he was ready. Okay. So, it was a 5th infant? Effectively. He's, you? Well, there, he's in there.

No, no, I, no, I'm not. No, I'm talking at this this time Yeah, uh, Yeah, uh, yeah,

he had tried to make in guard, but he could not, he could not, he could not say

plus, because that in the front, he was he was under the he would

just like me gliss a, a mo subtilement, but I'm not, I'm not

crue, I'm invited, I'm because me, he, Benjamin, he had

totally endormy, that I've I didn't I've been I didn't believe I said I do often

we're good to be able to to make to make a face, to make a voice to see what we want to

see what we're and to not see that I'm not not to because we pass all right it's impossible impossible

to know to the number of times you know a journalist and your voice and my voicein well no

it's a It's impossible. One time that you see, you say, yeah, I'm I'm going to say, I'm a couple of

weird. because we're trying to, you know, it's the thing, it's not, you know, and so, and so, you know, and so, and, you know, because we're saying, well, you know, he's generous, he's

gentle, he's a minute, but a minute, it's not like that, but I think that's a human

is conceived for doing that to see, not to see, the one people, they tavale not all,

they're not all, he'll be a bit bit more, a little more at every but we

don't know so, you know, it's like when we're when we're , you know, the mirror, we don't necessarily

the changement, and then you look at a time, you know, it's like, I think, I'm going to you know, when we're trying,

we don't know the true that's creus, you know, I'm the impression, and you know really the impression and, especially if you're trying

in the domain of the same, to see, the good in the first, you know, you know, you know just the

positive, as we're not that we're not the negative, I'm the impression, so you know the good to see the

yeah, and I'm I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm sorry, very, very patient. But just to a certain minute. It's, what's what it happens, how it's going to flip, how you're going to, how you find, what's, you know, in fact, we can't do, in a way, it's a conned, it's a Google, all of all, today, he is in prison, he was sentenced for murder, an eventment that's been produced before your encounter.

Yes, I don't know. No, it's so, exactly. So you see not, there's an enquite, you know, there's a lot of,

there's a but you do you do fie, so, so when is that switch, that you know,

that's what you're doing, that's what the element of the thing, that's,

the element to be a problem, I'm going to take, that problem, we're trying to,

we're trying, we're trying, well, we're going to at Firmon, and I worked in a CPA,

and he he He was working for a company of bus, and I'm... The car I remember not.

That's not important. And... And... And... ...my my daughter

were in 12- were there. And the policeists, we were to know the police. And they

had been to be a look. But, I said, he's not there, he's not,

I'm not, there's what, of what, there's to what, he said, no, no,

he'd say, we'd just he'd just, he's of police. Okay, perfect.

But, I'm a question in my head, you know, I'm a little nyezeous, but I'm not with a question.

Well, with reason, they're not that's a little naysoiseuse, it's just normal to be asking

some sort of to put to back, so, there, he repart, and then, he arrives. So,

so, I, I said, like, the police, they, they've been to have

to be, well, they've been to part of to get to to go, you know, he's,

he's just in with me, because he's not con. He's, you know, I've got to get some of the right, so he'd like I'd like to accompany to defend, if there were to what.

But, there, the police, after me, they don't that I'd have to, I've been, in the front, in the entry. Is it normally because you're not going to,

even, you know, at part, he'd say, from your whole, which is the base to say to someone when you go to present to the post,

but, you know, I mean, you can't be not, you're not to have a divorce, so, okay. I've just a Knaissance, androa,

and so, that, and he is to be in the policeier, and he is out of out of,

we're out of, we're out of we're going to and then, he was going to make the paper.

I said, I, I, I said, I, I said, there, there,

there, they're there, they're like, they renewals, your telephone, but it

has, it's, it's, it's, it's, the telephone, And like they have They have been

They're in fact They're in fact You know, there's a Because there, you know, there's not, you know,

there's not He's not, he's under the court of Rino St. But, but you know, at that

I mean, because there, it was, it's marked on the paper. Yeah, no, that,

but after this event that, you know, you know, so, you know, so,

so you know, there, there's a there, there an inquiry on, there an inquiry on him for him

a murder Rino St. Pierre, you're like, what the fuck? Yes. You confront? You're confront?

I don't. You know, you're direct with, you know, you're in mind? You know, you know,

I'm sorry to , you know, I'm afraid of me, I, I'm not afraid to him. Okay.

Because, he, in the fact, when he had to the other, he's, he's, he's,

he's, he's, I mean, I'm pretty pretty sit down by without a bit of a bit of sally-a-ha-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-sha-a-a-a-a-ttis that's for that I said that. It's so.

But you'd be talking, you know, I'd say, too, you'd be able to tell you tell me to get-a-a-oh-oh-oh. I'm not, I'm not, I'm a podcast, but I'm still, but I'm still, you're talking about, so, you know, so, these, these, these, these, these, these, these, these, these, What's what? You wanted to me sort?

I don't know. He's meant to be to defend. It's not me. It's not true. It's not if it's not so. He will not to avowalue a murder directly in plain face, I imagine. He made have been out of sorts. He me all debilary. He's

literally confessed the murder. Yes. And he even he had even he had even to show the photo of his ex-blonde

with these traces in any of he's made to say to say that for that they do it's,

how we call it, in a case, to have to have not a word,

but there even these traces of mint and on the valley,

I said, I said, what's, he said, it's when he said, Okay.

Now, you live with a man. Yeah. And your own. And then you're afraid, he confess a murder. The police, has to be pogny. You have the information. Of one, Christ, you react, how? You say, well, I've never

that you're in contact with my children. I don't know. I don't know. He's what in your head? And I'm not in the judgment. I don't know what you're going to respond. I'm not to put my spot. But what? What's what?

I mean, the hamster does spinn at 8,000 to meet. Well, look, there, I'm even not even not to have that for that my hamster

rull at 8,000. I'd say, what's what is going to we don't know. We don't know. We're like, well,

Chris, we're not come to come. We'll have let this guy that with my children, but he he was full

gentie, he had all the whole time, he was all the whole thing, he was aftor,

but I think that we don't know to the evidence of I think we never the real

reality in plain face. Is you the true when he's he's

there's a part of that you have like, you know, I'm making a

person with a penning, it's sure that I know, that I you know, wait, you go out of time,

you've got to make the purse with a pince. Okay, look, we're going to get to put in the post of police,

he's doing that in the char, so, so while you return to you, you have this conversation,

that, yeah, I get to that, and it's continued at the house, and

he's done to do you and you know, and you know, you've been to say, you're saying,

it's a thing, they're saying that they're saying, they're saying, he,

he, he, At the first, you've not to be able to beck, you've been to beannced literally, with a pair

of pince, of the poignarder with the pinces? Yeah. You're, you know, you're going to ask,

some of, the point of, the pinces, you're going to, because a pair of great, to get a grip, if you're

going to be going to, okay, but you, you're, like, you, don't,

my esti, it's what, this estis story that, you, you, you, you,

the, you, I, grress, practically, I would say, I'm going to... No, no,

it's not, it's not, it's not, I'm just the context, call-liss. It's a person who's

me with, well, it's not, I'm going to never to be the call-liss, I'd be able pogny,

I'm just at all at Firmon, with my two children, not of chaw, uh,

I'm, I'm gonna I'm at 25 minutes at foot at my job, uh, I've got

I'm malagued, by example. But, but I was just, to have the strict verity, and I thought

that I'd me to say, who I'm that you're saying, that's what you're that's with who I'm

with who I'm in the time? It's that I didn't know, I've like, I've, like,

I've got after that I traversed at my cousin, it's he he's he he's just

to approach your micro excuse me just because I'm just that's he in the fact,

that's, in the fact, to the police. F' fact, you all that so you're trying to all, I imagine that's

not in the soft air, it's just you're trying to get in a minute, but it's not like that

finally, you know, I'm in a way, you know, I'm in a way, that's not, I'm in front,

me, I'm in front, you know, I'm in a bit of humor there in a bit of there,

it's like to get to my life, you know, so, My friend, you He'd say, Be, Chris

go to the police. There's, your testimony, in fact, your testimony, he's, he's made a view.

So, you're not, there's not quite, too, the choice, there. So,

you do it, you go, to get, the policeier, affirmation. Yeah. It's Surte,

GRC, it's, who, who, that's, the Surte of Quebec. So,

the the post of police, where you with him, it's there that that's that's the back,

in the the post of the police of the the mur, that's, but where's, it's like, you know,

that's the where you're that's part the element that you do, that's the other,

they're watching directly at the bar, the char, he was he was pokey, and he said,

he was pokey? Pocked? Pocked? Boge? Boogie? Boogie? Bogue. Boky?

Boky. Boky? Okay. with a GPS. I'm bugged with a micro with a micro. So they know

who's the, they're going to they're going to they're really on an inquiry. In the fact, they're going to they're doing

some time where it's it's be able to know, but it's it's probably to present to the post

police in their saying he he me all said? Yeah, I've been assermented,

I've been on camera, Is he he said? You're part to do that? No. No.

I doubt, then. After that, three days, a landmine, I'm not a long time

that I'm going to do it, it would have to go to get to my son.

And we were supposed to do do camping just for a day. But,

then, finally, the GAC, she had decided to descend to Ab Como, and

we paid a camping. We had a crisis of the end of the week of Mard. They had just mooyed, the attendant, we'd let it there so that it was full of the door. We were even not capable of it.

But the GARC, you don't know, would you rest here at Becomo? Yes. By security? Yes. Well, it's good. It's a good thing,

in the phone, because, I mean, when you're point, you know, is it, you know, And there you see that it's a something to know it's a other thing to avert to have to

the policeier so is that you start to think you're to get a for your security by a lot?

No, because I know because I know that's a man, yeah, but the power can

do far can do do you know, I'm really honestly, I'm really I'm really

more for the security of my children that I think for the family.

Because I know that In this way, I'll see, you know, that's a bit of me.

So, so I'm trying to get on man, hey, Chris. Don't fuck with you

Annie. Oh, yeah, no, no. Even my chum to tell you to be

to be to be to be to be not. So, the year,

you guard, I'm, what you're talking, what, uh, the when we

had, when we had , a couple of a day of the year, he,

he was transferred to the hotel, the Caravelle, Abbecomo. Now, you me say, I just to see a little, because there's four children, you're

with two of your of your parents at Fairmont, you're at Abbecomo rejoined your Is that you do you live with your four children? No, no, no,

at this moment, in the front, I was going to find my previous at Becomo because he had revened to Rivier of

Loo because he was to go to his father. Okay. And then, at this moment

like the GRC was at Becomo, they They're in there. But the other, are, where are you?

But in the whole, my fee, he was with me, my few he was with me, and my

other fee, she, she, and my guy, he was a question, I'm at

my time, I'm sure, there's not there's a man, with him, there, when you,

when you're in a point, the police. Yeah, yeah, but not a one of,

they're not, they're not, when you're to be there to be my own, my own, my own, my own, but I just just met in context that when you're going to becombeau, rejoined your guy, he's not, he's not

to rest to Firmot, with your children. No, no. Perfect. It's just, no, but I'm just, because, there, you've been at Firmu, with your parents, you know, you're just, I'm going to, I'm just, to put it in context, I was like, like, yeah, see, I had to ask me,

to tell me, but I'd dutte now. So, perfect. G.R.C. You're at Becomo. Me, let's it. He left it. He was at Firmont, too, What's what do you say,

they're saying, they do you know, they do, see, it's what the plan? What's what? Well, they're saying to be there.

They tell you, to be there to be there, he's got there to be there. He'll be able to do it,

because it's a very, very long processus. He demand to a mayor monoparental of four children,

saying that that, has, that you know, that you know that you have that's a thing he's not

but who's it's just watch out it can't very much they say you know you're trying

for that he rest there for that a month a month and a month to me it's me

that they were to they'd that they'd be able to they'd have to respond by

textos to the morning just to and they'd many people they'd me were

they'd I'm almost like to vomit. Okay. Is it the option say, well, are you fool, call the the gang of cavs?

Is it an option? You know. You know, in the sense, is it in the sense, is it too , it's not my job at me

to be to have to be to be the problem, that's not, okay, to be, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, I mean, I mean, they're not, I mean, they're not, they're not, they're not,

they're not, it was part of the game. Game, for the not sign a game for the game for the

same? Yeah, but not at the bar, I'll say, at the moment where you know,

you know, you're not signed to do you don't know, uh, uh, no.

You accept, conton- -on-gris, you accept at a contrary you're, you accept because you

want to be a good citizen, you accept for what? Well, you know, you know,

this Mr. that, the monsieur, there's a man, you know, there's a There's surely have some of the

sisters, there are these sisters, you know, the world merit to know what, you know, I mean,

it's not that will be, it's not that the proche that's a couple of a minute, justice,

it's got to be there even if it's, it's not after 13- years, it'll

not, it'll be that person, but at it's, you know, but it's, it's,

it's, but, it's, it's, it's, so, so, you do it

you do it, you know, I don't know, I don't know, I know, but at the beginning, when he says,

is that your first, it's, fuck you, no? Uh, a little. Well,

I'd say, that you pass a lot by, several emotions. You know, you do it

to do you do it, uh, to help, you do to, uh, not be

complice, because you're to current, and you don't know, then you're in complicity, you do it, because you want to protect your children, you know,

you do it, you do do it for plenty of reasons, but after that, when you see, the process, that all that to hear, I'd have to

have my y'all, finally? Is that you sense a certain pressure, policeier, just as you came to me say,

hey, you, if you'd be not, you know, you'll be complex, you, And so, you know, I say, I mean, I'm saying, and I'm saying, the police has

techniques, you know, so to be able to flash a, like, a sentence, basically possible, to, yeah, but if you do not aid not, you, you can't even complete, you I mean, is, is, is it to say, or are, you know, they're kind of, they're going to be, they want to do you, collaborate, but they're not, no pressure, nothing to, you know. No, I'm having made pressure, it's more, to the same, to, one, who is, I, who's going to have with my

proper gray. They've never put up pressure. I've never made a time I'm trying

I'm trying to I'm like, it's like, not the pressure but, you well, you know, look, you're going to

continue to respond, it's like if I was like they're a job at their place. A man

of support, perhaps, I don't know, a man, a lack of their job. Desolary, but it's

so. So, like that you return at Firmont with your children? No. Okay.

I'm going to Becomo. After that my my cousin and my son he worked

at the restaurant Zonix they they they they've returned at Fairmont

I'm I'm I'm I'm my feet my little my little chihuahua at

Becomo yeah okay at by not a chris of Cern

I I'm not, I do you work not, I'm saying he gives $100 a piece for two two years. Okay, just I'm in context.

So, he says, Joanie, you have to get a to Firmont, but he's not going to not find out, so I'm

so, you're in the bullshit. No, but that's he can't not be able to that, I'm in his head to him,

I'm in the whole plan of match. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Fek, Mo. Yeah. GERRC.

So, you see some where you've made new some of the depended to have not an hour the you're not

an little little bit more a little bit sequestered, you mean? Sequestry, well, secastry

because you're you're the right to get to make a way to talk. The dependeer the most

you said it's 25 minutes to march. Yeah. The episserie is still

more more. So if you If you take a taxi To go to have to You pay? Yeah, but I'd Not even if I had no

I didn't, I don't You don't have got You don't? So, it's not So it's how many of time? And then you, you're in contact With him, and you say, the textos,

it's like that it's parr And then, you know, you, he'd say, He'd envo And then you've got like the choice to embarking in a game because you

you know, it's not that's something that's something that's because you have a new in a life

in a life intimate, so I'm not not going to not to be in the details, but I'm not sure

to be able to play the game and then you know, you're like, no, Chris, I don't,

I'm, I'm not, you know, a lot, you know, a time, it's, it's just to

get to it's a time, it and I'm, I'd say, a month, a month, a month,

a month, well, I'm not, Fred, I made sure a moor. Well, a good

one, a good word easy, okay. So, so he thinks he has to have

to be at aft because he he's to be to be able to get to like,

he did you to join, I'm in I'm an inue, I'm in so, so you

do you do you do you do that back? Well, the GRC you know

I've had been a cancer. You have had been a cancer? Yeah, okay?

So they've said different I've seen that I've had a cancer that's almost in fact that I'm going to see, and that I'm

that I'm going to think it's a very bad idea because I'm if I'm a blonde, a cancer of a false

terminal, the first that I want to make, even if I'm if I go, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, but I think that weird honesty, like a method

that's, well, I'm, honestly, I think that inhuman. But, you know,

if you see, if you regard that he had been, it's a too much human,

but it's, it doesn't not the reason. In fact, I, you, that he,

you know, he thinks that I'm a cancer, and I, I'm a call, this, I'm more

for you, it's more for you, in the sense that you have to have, you've lived

because you've lived in, because you're have already had been in and your and your your life is

to live to live and to text to have to have a man who to have done to do you

do you know in the monoscience, you're in the denies, you're all you're doing a

person? Is it a support psychological? Is it a sport psychological no,

there's not, there's not, there's not not used. And, and the way, the number

of people that I've seen the GRC, there can't have that I can't even even be named.

And it's all the time repented the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same,

the little crisis of the story to be in their own they're just assuring that they're in their same

version, at you know, they're going to get to be to get to put a point, you think,

if you do that for the money, crisis? No. I do that for the society, I do that

for the family of the victim. Because you me out-camera, that's, you're not, so you're not

not trying to get to pay your money, it's even your father that's your own you know

not the time you know, you know, you know, you can't, you can, no, so you can,

like, as you know, so, if you, it's just my conjoint, who's,

the, that's, the one of the time that's, you know, yeah, he's just

he's just he's just the , I could not say, to person, so I meant to all the month. Well, even, he has a bout

I get a lot of I'm anti, during a certain period. F'clock, your parents, your parents, you're talking

of the bullshit? Yeah. But you're, because, like, he's there, you say that you're there,

but the family, you don't know because they know, they're not, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, demel, you know, in your mindry after.

You, I understand for your protection, but why, why's because why,

why, that you've been brought to have been in your house in your affairs with just the protection? Oh,

well, well, there's rendered that's a question of logic, huh? Because at that, there's not,

there's not, there's not. No, but, there's not, because he he cragneed not for my

security when the inquiry when the unquested, because he had not made a

fact of the the reason why they they've left there there I mean,

I mean, I don't know I mean, I mean, I mean, there You have these planks of voids-de-face with his ex? Before, you had to have been declared,

because they were due, they're doing, they're saying, you know, they'd have said they're saying, hey. Hey, it's who they'd have left him a murderer with a woman, tulle, with these children? Because you said that's an ancient employer who has tried to have to have

to be able to promen because you crore not too, but if there's an agent, of the GRC, who come to jogging, saying, it's perhaps not the best not the most option

to have this man in your life, Madam. There's never person who has done. never. There's never person who me put the

ass of that I think it's I think it's something that's someone who's the police after having to their contract

to say to say that's security is in danger because you're a criminal there's a there's a

crime who's you're a someone who is onquate for murder so they're so they're who he's

at a beque at the last of the first at the death at me left with that

she's we, alone with my children. While that I go to

work, my my parents are doing with him. Joanie, we're in a

little pose that we've taken, so we're all in the patent that you're

at Becomo so that you make to all the world not by choice,

by obligation, all that, he's what, you know, I'm do,

is, is they, is they do, is, is they, is, is, is,

is, is, is, do it, You have not an info. It's like they regard, I imagine, all the textos that you've exchanged? No, because at this moment,

at Fermon, if I'm not trompe not, his telephone, he had not even, his phone, he didn't, buggy, in the front, he wasn't, he was, he was, he, he was, he, he had not, dubled, that,

It's that. He was not, it's not like, They were like, Yeah, but they're on access to the team. I just say, I said, is there not, because

I'm in a moment that I've seen any of course that I'd authorize to, like, like, doubly my telephone.

But is he coach, is he, is he, do you, is he, in a firm in a piece,

in a, I, you know, a hotel, a house, a house, a hotel, we're four in,

two lit, a TV, a mini-fridge of air, and a cell, then, and you're left to say to say, well,

arrange to what and he rests to get to be more. Yeah, and then, then, when I said, and that I

said, then I said, then, then, he said, that's me that I've been a problem

psychological, well, that, that's all, we're talking to, you know, the GRC,

yeah, yeah, the GRC, it said that, well, that, you'd listen Ben, Chris, the moor, you

me let's a murderer, that you have to get a matter, and that's he just, he just comes to know, that's that's a cancer generalized,

supposedly, you want, you know, I'm going to how? You're left in charge of all that,

and after that you're going to me say, that you're going to say, so you're in doing, then you're in

a problem, it's you a problem psychological, but he doesn't not an aid, no,

no, okay. So it's So, so, so, so, and so that, what's what he What's going to What's, why Why'd be there?

In fact, I'm not, I'm not there, they've been able to place. Okay. Yeah. Oh,

and that, he'd deplace. Yeah, they've been at Edmonn, Ah. Edmondston? That's so.

And, and, and, it's the same in the same in the end of the Depan of hour, he was at 25 minutes

of route. The episserie, it there was a carlucket and even at that the taxi, I'd attended for a hour of time. Is he

explain, why is he'd do you know, because he'd be more more than you New Brunswick? But it's

what, you're, where is that? Um, I think it's the proximity for that the agents

come to me come to me come they're for their facilitation the life, so he...

B'b, not the No, no, no, it's that. Okay. After, after, all this time, it's the moan of monaumansom

to all the people who do you know, what's the what's, what's the that? Well,

it's because Mr. the accuser, the deten, yeah. Um, he had to come down to

me menace and a night, there's a story that I have called a, uh,

an agent of the AGAC to say, there, I said, I can't be able to they're

there, I said, they said, they, they'd say, they'd I'd start to me menace, and I'm sacrapped. Oh, there, we're on deciding to move.

I'm a menace to... That, tabernacle, of Chris, of stee, there, you know, I'm not able, and I'm not able to be, and then, no, no, no. He me menacea, of, the voice of fate. What's who, I mean,

I, I mean, I, I'm, I'm, look, I'm at the other bar of the medial, you know, I'm, you know, I'm a conjoint, all, I see, I see what, what you see, what you see, I don't know that the GRC is there, all that. You know, I'd say,

the guy, he, he loves, he wants to whatever, you know, so, so, at a minute, after a month, I can't understand.

There, I'm just, you know, I'm in a train glisten, but in the sense that I'm a man, he's supposed to what,

there, you know, there's my blonde, I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I'm gonna, to see, to be here,

to see, what the fuck? No, he, is he, is he contact the people, that you know,

is, what you contact your parents? Is he contact your kids, or is he contacted your

and he's he said, he said, I said, I'm saying, I'm saying, and he said, my wife

my wife, to 13- and he responded, normally, I'd know, I'm,

I'm, I'm, because if you're to make, your own, they're not

, so, so, but it's mal, I think it it's a organized.

It's not just mal organized, I'm, I'd say that it's really, it's really,

it's human. inhuman and then to be there to be to be a cancer

that's a incurable, and that you let the person who will it denonce for in a month

to be to answer and it's it's they're there they're there

it's it's it's it's it's not are you on the

in the firm on the spot, he's sufficiency, because Chris, he can't be he can't be able to start to find out of Farmon, and probably

not, he'd not say, but he's he checked, no, but I mean, Chris, the day Chris, if he's, the journey, if he decides, he ran down to his chow, and he'll go.

But what's he's always said, is that he, I'm not able to let me imagine, if he decided to part to farmon,

then that would call it. Pemort, all that would have to be a reason to, um, effectively.

They don't have been not It's time that. I mean, at how point they don't they don't

have enough to get in an state of arrestation? Well, I mean, me said that I was like

the Cres on Sunday. But the Cres on Sunday had been there had been there I said that's a

date. So, at the moment he comes to to be to look the flag, it's like

I'm not to get able to get to hear to hear he said that he comes

being violent in his words, in his menace and it decide that it's supposed to be in,

I remember the I remember the same, I remember, I guess, he was 11 o'clock the night of New Brunsville, well, he was supposed to

to be to be at two and a half. I mean, I said, well, they're going to be on, he march to

a two hour and a minute, at two, one hour, you'd call a monster, too, pass if you

if you're on dorm, no, no. So, finally, they're They were at a chamber of hotel,

he was at 6.5. Yeah. So, then, we're preparing a scenario. Do you know, so they'd say, we're going to be there at 2. Andm.

No, they've been to be there at 2. and a 2.5 to do you matins. But finally, they're coming, at 6 o'clock,

the morning, you're in the morning they're going to be going to be. Well, I, come to buy a monster, it's sure, let me doorme at this hour,

you know, so. So, yeah, So, so, in the end of the fact, they're, they're saying, we're trying, we're preparing, there's scenarios. My moly, your scenario? He never, you know, he's not. You know, me, who he's done?

You know, I said, I said, me, you know, I'm prepared the questions, perfect. But I said, I've said, I'll be here talk, though. But if I don't know, I'm not, no. I'm not a comedian, you know, you know. I'm not, you know, but, you know, in the sense, you know, but, you know, my scenario, the view is in what, to to make sure, you know, because there's a question,

appell, sur-ecote, and all, so, so, so, the view, is to let me talk about this event that, it's sure, the view. But, I mean, to do you have said,

that I could tell you to let me, right, right, then, and finally, they'd be on the last of a month, and he had attended that monsieur

me sack after and that he'd make these menace of murder. Is that function? Of? To,

to let, to let, to be a part to talk? So, I'm going to so I see,

they're saying, they're saying, we're going to be to the hands. Yeah. But they

have to be there. They'll do it can't be doing. They've done, they

challenge, someone who's doing someone who, they're doing they're in the

fact, they're in the way, I'm, how much, I'm trying to say

that in English or or the the receptionist, in any of the person who is the other boot,

at G.C. Who test the telephone, something? For the engines, are you sure that it functions? Exactly. In fact,

in the phone, she, she, she, she, had been the phone, because, like, they had to have done a other with an other

number, and it it would have to have a number confidential, but by the way, she's all, she, in the fact,

she had called, and she said, hey, hello, you've been, do always to see to see? Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I'm going to be here. After that,

she had rackroached. It was just for sure, if she she'd be able, and if, I'd never to sign

like to what that the pill had doubled. So, so, in the fact, we've done,

we've made two, two tests. After that, the monsieur, he made some, he had been

I was asked. I had five and six. The monsieur, so a agent of the Gerser, an agent of the gyrs in the of the enquettes. Effectively. And I've been to talk.

So, he don't a list of questions for absolutely that you put up. Effectively. For, you know,

but you know, it's not that fluid, in a manner as fluid that has you, have you, have you,

get to, egregger, whatever, that's, that's not so far, indirect than that.

No, no, no, no, no, really not. You're going to, you know, I'm going to... You're coached a little? No. No, because it's just me who he's not. They know who they know not.

I know it. I know how they'll have to talk, and I'd have to say, but it's for me who decides. So, it's for me who decides. Effectively. Um, there's, we'll have far more

the fan of the salable. And then, and then, you know, it's the great patent, there, the gross affair, they met even a serviette, where the crack of the door, the

room of hotel to be sure that there's there's a thing that they're going to see that's the way to

see that's I'm going to you know, because at you know, I'm not, but now, now,

it's me there's more that they're making more questions, so now I'm saying, okay, I said, okay,

I do, when I'm talking to I'm talking, so, that, so, that, so,

so, so, you know, I've made, so, No, no, they stress not because you do these chris, hey, st.

They call, this abarned, sacramagre, yeah, not stress, you can't say, but you're saying, well,

after, after, they're, in the phone, when they enregist, I, in the phone, I said,

now, I say, I say, I'm going to be a because I don't know, I'm

to say, you're having to talk to before to talk, you know, there's always a delay.

In the fact, in the fact, in the fact, in the fact, I've done, that, So I saw that I've seen, and he's crying, and he cries, and he cries, I'm trying to be.

I'm going to finish. Chris, in a minute. Hey, I have 14 questions to pose. Okay, you've had come to 5, it's rendered at 14. Yeah, that's on the second appeal. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because, me, you've not done to see the second appeal, like, or you're on the second appeal, yeah.

Yeah, it's so. Okay. Now, again, we're talking. First call. The first call. The world of the GASIS are there, you know, that's a call to do. It's a call to do. is in number one.

So the appell is made. Yeah, there's four Monsieur of the GRC. I pose five, six questions.

And then I said that I'm going to vomit because I'm in a treatment of chimiue, well, I'm going to

have to be gay to get in to get to the appell to know if it's correct for them.

But, and then, they're in a lot of they're saying, the other bar,

for to know, for saying if it because, there's So often in these stories, excuse me, I'll cut, but often it's because they're going to have a procurer

associated with the prosecutor, the law, whatever, so it's assure that it's enough for inculpate. Exactly, because they're not accused the same person for a same crime. So, there, in the front, after, they've been asked me to ask them other questions,

but there's, but there's just, well, So, let's say, how do you want to do you want to do that? But, like, he me rapped at the same time. But, like, I'm just, like, I, I'm not ready to, say, goy, goy, go ahead.

And then, and then, I was there, I was going to, and I was trying to let's talk and I'd answer to, and I, I'd pay the feigned. So, when I got, when I'd rackocheed, he clacked their hands

and he'd have suffered content. He'd never not count of this to have a conversation normal?

A mannourne he made he said, he said, he said, he said, you're doing, he said,

he said, you know, he said, you know, I'm going to do you know, I'm going to go to

me, no. It's, well, it's going to be like, but I don't really not that

correct. It's not correct to I think it put a much of pressure on a person,

I think, in the Chishue, I'm not all that, it's your version to your own

your own testimony to your time, but I think it's not garroche, but I think it's it's a

bit rough, I think it was like it's like it's like, it's used but without without

life, without, and, I'd say I'd say that, I'm saying like

I'm felt like that so too so, and the fact to respond to

his messages, It's, it's really anxious, you don't even idea, you know, at every that's a

ding, ding, it's a there's a thing to be a ball that's made in the stomach

yeah, and then after that you're and then, he'll come, Alvae. You,

that's what, it's possible, after this appell that, they have the info that you have the information,

all that, they'll have been there, there, there, then he'll then,

so, so, at my domicic, at my domicil. At my , okay,

Wait, I'm not there, because we're not there, you're not there, you're in a

far from, yeah, well, when you're in the when I'm that's the question,

the second, the second, the second, the second, after that, after that, the procurer had to

apply the, he me call it, call the , pay the descend of the river of the

it's there that he made the go. So, so, I, in the

what I said, I said, I said, all, that, I said, then, I said,

to have the traversier, he would not six hours, he'll attendra a hour, he's not, he's the

board of the parking on the traverserce he's going to get a road, and he will have done a

hour, so, so, like, so, he's the thing, and they're

to have in my entry to to go, so why he they're going, why they're to have

to have been, so, you know, I'm not in police, yeah, we're not in police,

no, but you, you, you're not to be there, you're still with us other, he'll

go there, he arrives at you, he'll make in a state of arrestation No, it's like that he'll be chie to lose in Cuella. For murder. Yeah.

And there we're in prison prevenu in the attempt of process. You know, it's what in your life?

Not easy. You return at your home? You're reprint your life? I'm to try.

You're trying? Is it is there to contact? He has he's who who you have made

a card to Newel to my parents? The prison? Yeah. The prison because he

said that to me personally he could not me to get to get to

our text that came to you get to get to talk to come to get to

an card to to know to my parents because he said that they

could not communicate with me with me not not with my parents So my parents, in the phone, what they've

put, is they've put it, and they're going to me to report, so. So, I mean, when I've seen called the GRC. But, it's so. But of how, so that's out of

that you've got to get any, no, no, no, no, no, so you're going to

explain to you, so you're talking, to everyone, what's the thing, that's what, the last month? What the fuck?

You explain a little, I imagine, your family, they're to learn that, they're not,

they're not, they're not already when they go to the podcast, so is

how you go, psychologically you're to work, you're talking to work, you're

to return to your time, you're to return to your life? Is that what you're

what you had been before? Yeah. You're a bit so. I'm a bit,

is, is, is the the only arrested in this story that? Well, no, in the phone,

her ex-blonde was arrested, she also. The person who had made a 810 on him, is also

arrested in this story like a complice. Yeah. While he he's prevenue, is that

is the is the GRC continue to to be to be to contact? Is,

is you have the with the prosecutor? Is it to be a question eventually,

is we do you to be able to do that? What's what? In the

, Pleaddee culpable, yes, it would have been told you have played culpable, in the

fact, we're being the court like, as well to be condone to murder

premedited, well, that would be condoned to be to a second degree. So,

at the case, he's a murder, and he do you have a off plea of

a coupable to a second, so a plea of a two-eem. which

that's what there's a possibility of a possibility of a condition that can

be more rapid in the sense that. In 2025, he was in the year he has been in

your driveway? Because, because, you think you were in 2022, it's so, he's

going to the encounter, and the encounter with him and his arrestation, at a

minute? It's meant a year. He, he has It's been, it's It's been It's been,

and I'm going to Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, And then he He has been Arrette, 27 to

where, if I'm Trompe, 2003 The time that he should be condone

It's 2025 I'm not the date exact I just I see It's

last Yeah, it's It's So, so long time So, so,

so, so, so, On 2nd degree, with 15 years. Well, it's a sentence, I think it's that, no, there's not a sentence view? No, no, no, no, it's 15.

Yeah, it's 15 years. Yeah, 15 years with possibility of liberation conditional. But, well, I'm, I'm going to 25. No. No, 25 years. No, in the case, second, I'm going to,

it's 25 years, with a possibility of liberation conditional, in general, after 15. It's a firm you'd have not yet 15 years. Well, if you optia, it's a liberation conditioner. Yeah, but it's on. time that they had to accumulate, it's a, it's a, it depends

there's, no, the, one a minute, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not,

it's not, it's, so, so, it's, it's, it's, it's,

the, and the , well, the, she, it, in the, in the,

in the, I mean, I, I've, but, but, well, well,

there, , there, , , , info like that. The other, she's

a little, she's a little, she's not, but she's a little she's a thing, she's she's not,

she's been a question, I don't know your book, what's you have? Yeah, yeah,

she's a new, legendary. Yeah, yeah, she has made a recue of poem.

Okay, but she's she's not, she's not, she's not, but I'm , she called, but I'm

, she's done, she had been there's been a request, she had been, it was, it was,

it's been it's Publiable, what? Yeah, I see not too, it's it's a parrue

in the info that's like, it has been in their favor. Okay. So, you know,

you know, you know, so you do you know, yeah, I'm going to the reinsertion of the rehabilitation,

I think, the second chance, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm not quite embarked

there, but, you know, there's, you can't get some there's, there's, you know,

to do it in this thing, but, you know, I, I, I also, I think,

the reassertion, that I have no problem with that. But to see something as gratify than that, it's not. Because,

there, we'll enter not no more in the details because what I'm interested not, it's kind of

something very violent, it's a assassination extremely violent. Effectively. It would be a sort of

a sort of a sort of I think we can if you do you do you, you're doing

you're doing you, so you're a gesture that's a very, very, very violent.

Well, he is in prison. We can not to attend all that. Just at his out of his is there I'm an

is that you're a question, is that it is that you have talked to when he had offered of the protection,

is we're talking to something? No. Because at the end of the reason for the base,

no, I'm saying the the reason of the case is in the law, no, the reason

of the is in prison it's because he has to someone, but you had been the

famous serise on the Sunday for it for the for the fact that

it's not to be the way, he's not quite in the nature, because they're not enough proof. If it's not

to you, if it's not the implication, no, no, what I'm not, what I'm

what I'm saying, what I'm that's, if it's not the fact, he's probably even,

you know, if you're saying, if you're not, they're not not enough information,

they're not quite of enough they're probably in liberty, so, I'm not going to extrape because I'm not in his head, but you're the reason of the fact

that he is sentenced to, is, is it something that you know? Is that that's something that has? Well, I, to the way, I guess I'm going to start who he will sort. I'm going to. I'm going to discard. I've been able to hear anything to know. I've been able to be in my house. I want to go.

So you will bring, at your freest, at your charge, you will quit your patline, you will go and re-fair your life you're going to go to be in to be in actually, you've got

mentioned to those agents? No, they don't need to know, even if I would say,

it's what it's going to be able to nothing. It'll do nothing. It'll do you never have

never been to be to this fashion, so what you've what you do I'm saying?

Your family, your children, what, is, what the impact it's had

on them, is that has been, uh, I have no to say My my fee

of 12 year, is the more young that today today than in the time she was

in 12 in 15 it's about to say it's around the it's made to make medicamentate

for for these troubles anxio and quite I'm I'm

there's to the time she had had been to go to have you had been

even pienton of the pre-name of this guy that. With reason. He's very, very,

very, very anxious. And, me, we have to get that in plus to get the

mine. Is that, is, is that you flagell, in the sense, is that you're responsible?

Well, yes. But, you're in time, you, at the base, you've just

wanted to help someone who'd dormed in October, and he'd

it was I'd say, you know, I'd say, you know, to do you know, and you're

going to know, you know, you know, I'd say, I'd think it

more the level that I have left to see with my parents, that,

to have left to be alone without protection, and it would be

that I'm to say, I'm at 25 hours per sement because he would have to I'd know if I'd

need to the cures, he'd be able to give the cigarettes in the same

time. And he he would be bourne a mantry. F'it you're getting there,

it's also that I'm that in the one, I think that what you would,

what you would have wanted, is that when that's that that he

had been that the people, the agent, you leave a flag in

saying, it's a a good bad mother-parental, there's a very bad that's a

very good that's a way that's that's a way to have a little other thing, you know,

you're not to flagelley because you know, at the time when you have seen, you're

that's up that you know, you understand, I'm not, you know, you've got to be to

you're not to be able to let's a murtrier with your children because you don't know

I'm technically it's a murtrier that's kind of with my I understand. But you can't

you can't let's you can't be like to ask for that. Yeah, but, you know, in as a parent, we're all the time to feel like

you can't you know, you know, you know, you know, it's, you know, we can't, we can't

come back in the past and I mean, we're doing, we're not you know, you know, you know,

you know, I'm not I'm just to know, I'm just to know, but, you know,

you know, you know, it's sure, it's so that, you know, but I'm, it's all impact, all that, and I'm what I

I think I'm a bit legalist of this story, and I'm, and I'm, you know, I've got, okay, you know, no, your support psychological, for you, your family, excuse me, for you, your wife, excuse me, your rest of your family, it's kind of

when you learn to say, I'll say, well, I'm, in the fact, they've seen, that, because, you know, you, you know, you know, you know, you pass by, a sort of emotion, like, you, you know,

you're feeling, because you're saying, you know, at cause of you, there's a life that is gashed, because he's

in the end in a bit, no, no, no, no, but in a guise, in a guise,

at the he has, got gashed his life, you've got got got got to maybe

saved some, you know, but in a sense, it's, you're,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's there, and then

there, you're, you're, well, there, there, there, there,

a person that, after that. But then it's like it's like all sorts of emotions

that comes to get like to get to be like you know you're like you're like to like that and like

you're not a victim of criminal you're not you're not you're not to say you're not

you're not but I'm in the I'm in the you've got you asked you

have you have you have you I'm sorry I'm I'm I was helping you. Why did you?

I applied several times. And it's what the response that I was going to be able? He was supposed to be able to the return to the

PIL. In fact, in the fund, for my pre-potheque, well, you think I did it

I've done, I've tried, I've tried to work, and the hours and the time, after that,

then after that, after that, you've got to you made the cap of I've got to I'm reprehs, I'm a

family, I'm a man, so I'm a super hero, and I'm not the time to my pitoyed on my

saur, we've that the life's face, that's that's it's a

it's there's a there's like, there's it's all you know, and we're

in June in 20206, how it's how it? I see not, I see not more,

I'd say, you know, it's like if it through that you'd be in

to be in the time, but that you're trying to try to to

get to to get, but I'm hard for to do it I continue

to work I'm trying to take care of my own of my own my own but it's difficult very difficult

because you do the time now he will finish by the there's a little bit there's

there's always there's yeah yeah yeah yeah the whole all the but you

know I'm doing to do you continue to my work and you need to you know

it's sure it's sure but it's it's a you know all of a good gesture of your part

for you impact to the rest for the rest of your days, you know, it's kind of... No, not for the restant of my joe. He merited

that, to the way. You're not you know, no, no. ...davourne, to have a prace of course.

No. That's, of the question. He had already has been to me, he's been in me, he

en beny, no. Far confiance. Frederick, Fred, is that? Fred, who you, a company, who is a

an amy who is, today, your conjoint, and there's not a rush, you're not quite, Fred, I'm notack not,

but is that it's more simple for you to be turned to someone that you know, than to make confidence?

Is that for you, the girl, that was, I'd say, I'd just the bond on a person,

even if you that's not when I'm trying, and I'm don't, is that, does that has changed

in you? No. To make confidence to people? No, because I didn't even not come to see to watch because I didn't even because I wanted to talk

I, I'd know if I'd say, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're not saying so to make. In fact, I'm saying, I'm right, so, to make confidence, it's to be complicated, because you're, you're a person

who had a confidence before, so, so, so, so, it's so, it's completely changed, like, I, yeah, I'm, I'd be here. I see, you know,

it's he who made to be in the char. But you were not obliged, but you're arrived here, all, I just,

like, boy, she said, we're like, we're probably, she's like, we're not to get to jazes.

And the first question that I'm asked, even to be able to be able to, depending on, if you'd have,

I'd say, but why, you'd be here? You'd be here? You'd be here? And you you said, to me,

to be, and you say, to me to be, I'd have to demand, we'd say, on the end of

this interview. of this discussion, of this testimony, is that, is that you're doing doing? And you're the right to say no,

that's not, you know, you're not, it's not a question, but I'm saying. I'm not saying, but I want to say it's a one, I'm,

well, I'm sure, honest with you. There's a part of me that, yes, honestly,

but there's that point that that will, you know, I think I feel like he will me see, but the journey that I'm

enabrasse, Chris, that I'm going to be content. But there, for real, it's a minute.

Well, I'm going to say, if I'm to be able to a matter, I'm not, you're going to

know, but, you know, if you know, if you're to get to to the hip, and you're going to

get, uh, 2,000 live, well, well, Chris, I'm,

there, Chris, I'm not for sure, if you're there's a idea, you'll offer a real

72 lives well, no, no, 92. It's it.

But, but, but thank you. Because and honestly, I'm

I'm excuse. Why? That's, I'm excuse that, that

you've that in the sense that, in the sense that I'm

because I'm because I pay the tax. We're too. No,

but we're we, we're we're paying the tax and I think it's

desolant that you're to help to make a murderer and that's so little

help you know, and that's I'm sorry, I'm for the excuses that you're not received, that you're

to have been to be doing. Really, are not for real. Because it's not me I'm doing,

I'm I'm doing, you're doing to hear this mo' that, but it's not my,

but, unfortunately, it's not to be , And at limit, that you're not an excuse, but that you're receive the support that you'd have to receive

that, I think that unacceptable. And we've been able to be, a month and a minute, me, my wife, you have, because you've parted the same vets,

that's, we're not, we'll not, we'll not, you know, to get to, no, so.

So, for a aid to make a person, you're practically to be in prison, you're practically to be in prison. just

I'd I'd like I'd not to ask you I'm informerate you know

you've seen with the GRC yeah, yeah, we're an entend but

we're an entend of confidentiality but yeah yeah because I think there

there's there probably there's perhaps because I know because if it's at the new Brunswick

it's not very that's so yeah no no It's a other province. So, so the recourse are not like the recourse are not.

I'd never, I'd have been, I'd have been after not a minute of road, no. But the good would have been it's an base. Yeah, but,

I guess, in the bonn't know, it's in the other, you know, but, you know, because, you know, it's, you know, I'd have to be

just a little of support, a support psychological for your children, for you, it would be, it would offer. Well, for me, I'll I'll try

to my residents. Well, you're a you're a woman I think yeah,

and I'm and, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm trying to see someone if someone

gets in a situation like that, the person will be made, in, guard, on who,

on who, you, you're trying, and it's nasedo to say, and I know, I see

that the people will be, and I think, I think, to Ninti Boucher, that I've received,

that we've heard, we've been talking to be able to a lot of, and you're in the case, the case, the case,

there's not, if there's no, there's in the case, you know, if you're, if you're, if you're

a punitive, you know, a punitive, a question, it's a term. It's appare so, so, so,

so, it's sort, it can go, it's going to get, it, take a, take a few

to get a to try, , but, Because- Because- Gaspé, he's got to see, he's

He's not There's a He's never I'm ever I'm never there's never and we're never to think that

And then there's never too tall I'd have I'd have to get to get to it's been

it's past it's past to see a cooer so proche or and you're like they're like

they're they're they're so colon to never have gotten of that's

seriously, it's when you're when you it's You know, I don't know. Never you can't be at the fee of that. Never, you can't.

Never, someone, like, like, yeah, but murder, it's not written in the face of person.

No. You know, manipulator, no more, narcissic, not more. I mean, I, I'm,

plus the profile physical of a, , of a, criminal, than many, people, criminal, who have,

you, you know, the sense, the, the coquay, He doesn't mean say. You can't

be able to talk about. And, you know, a bo-parre and a manipulator, it's a manipulator, a narcissist, it's a

narcissist, it's a narcic. So, so we're not at the abry and you can't judge a person because

they've been because you have not this situation. And, and you know, Joanie, thank you

very much. Thank you. Thank you. To your of your displacement, of your time, of your

history, and bravo, bravo, to have done that to to do you have a service to the society, and to have impacted your

life at that, and you've got to, my respect for what you've lived, sincerely. Thank you. I, thank you. I hope you appreciate this episode

that. I can even not imagine someone to be in this situation, how is we have had to have done

to be illet christmas crissment well. You have the connections in the state of the state,

and you're a agency secrecy bar. We'll have to give it that. At allure,