Au Parloir - Épisode #72 - André Pauzé

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Starting point is 00:02:09 all the links to find all my social networks and the podcast. Today, we received André Posé, a man who will soon be 68 years old, who has completed a provincial sentence, which was his first penalty at the age of 18, 19. Four federal penalties, always for qualified flights, hand-armored flights, and because of the consumption. A person who was already young

Starting point is 00:02:40 was put into the system, very young, he got out of the system, very young. He got out of the system at 14 and it didn't work. He felt better in the system than in society. He was going to go to prison to go back to therapy. A big experience, a story that ends well. The proof that even he has been consuming for almost seven years.

Starting point is 00:03:13 So, early 60s. So, he's never too late. He's never too late to change his life, never too late to face his demons and it's important, it's the message that I really want to transmit through this podcast. Once again, I repeat, I don't necessarily endorse the gestures, the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I'm a person who takes the liberty of expression. I like people who are frank, who speak with their hearts. Welcome to the Parloir. Monsieur André. Bonjour. Ça va? Oui, ça va. Yes, merci d'être là. C'est quelqu'un qui t'a écrit et qui t'a dit, « Hey, do you know this guy at the bar?

Starting point is 00:04:06 You said no, I think you'd be a good guest. And you did. You wrote to me, you gave me the big lines of your story. And I made the profile of the people I like to receive. We just see you visually. We see an old man there. We see a guy with a vehicle. We see, I'm talking a little bit about your tattoos, a lot of them were made behind the walls,

Starting point is 00:04:30 before going into all your journey, the reason why you're here. I really like to know the person in front of me. I pass you that. From childhood, you come from a place, grew up in a family home, and we go to this day. Well, I come from Montreal. You can't have more Montreal than me. I came to the world on Saint-Denis-Pilorier. OK, yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:54 And my parents, they were two parents who worked. My father was a contractor, and my mother worked as a seamstress. OK. But when I came to the world, My father was a contractor and my mother worked as a seamstress. Okay. But when I came to the world, it didn't last long. The family bond with my parents, they separated. I was five years old. Excuse me, I was there.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Your recent brother? Well, at that time, I was just a brother that I had. Okay. Excuse-moi, je te rousse. Frère et sœur? Bien, à ce moment-là, c'était juste un frère que j'avais. Puis plus tard, je vais te dire d'autres choses qui s'est passées. C'est que j'ai été placé dans un baby-landing. C'était une galerie d'enfants, tu sais. Puis ma grand-mère, elle passait sur le trottoir en bas, puis je la voyais, puis elle pleurait, tu sais. Elle avait pas le droit de venir me, to come and get me, whatever. A bit of an ending. Was it really a nursery?

Starting point is 00:05:50 Yes, it was a nursery. While your parents were working during the day, you were there? I was there, but I was lying there. OK. I was like lying there. OK. I still smell the smell of the soles in the closet, the kitchen and all that. It was around the corner of Delormier and...

Starting point is 00:06:10 ...it was good. But the reason why you were placed there? Because my father and my mother were separated and my father didn't have time to take care of me. And my mother didn't have any money. OK. So he paid for me to stay there. Kind of a pension, actually? It's like a place where babies are abandoned, where parents have trouble arriving,

Starting point is 00:06:36 or who don't want the baby's burden. He sent me there. It's not like PIGs don't really exist yet. They don't exist. It's not like PIGs don't really exist yet. They don't exist. It's like a baby pensioner. I was born in 1956. I was born in 1956. In December I will be 68 years old.

Starting point is 00:07:00 To continue the history of my childhood, after that they sent me to orphanages with sisters, and I was with orphanages with brothers. I was at the St. Arc's College, I was at the Catholic Orphanage of Montreal, Catholic de Montréal. J'ai été à Joliette, j'ai été à Saint-André-Avelin qui a été le dernier point où ce que qu'ils m'ont gardé. J'avais 13 ennemis quand que j'ai, il était plus qu'avant de me faire écouter les ordres. Ok, t'étais déjà un rebelle à cette époque-là. Ouais, j'étais déjà un rebelle, une rivalité bien raide. Je t'oppose à ça parce que tu me parlais de ta grand-mère qui passait et qui pleurait, mais il n'y avait pas moyen, I was a rebel, a rebel, a very bad rebel. I'm not going to be aggressive because you told me that your grandmother was passing by crying, but there was no way your grandmother could have taken you from them at that time.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Well, I used to go to my grandmother's house. That's why I told you I'm a little guy from Rosemont, but in reality, it was just by chance that I was there. It's like Pointe-A-Trente, I live there at the moment. The world says, you were a guy from Pointe-A-Trente. It's been a long ce moment, tu sais, le monde dit, t'étais un gars de pointe-à-trembles. Ça fait longtemps, moi j'étais arrivé 7 ans 73 mon ami. Ok. Mais j'ai pas toujours vécu là, j'ai comme été à cause des délits, à cause des emprisonnements, à cause de beaucoup de choses, j'ai voyagé dans le Québec sans le vouloir, tu comprends in Quebec without wanting to, you know? So that's it. I was placed there, in the Orphanage, and in college.

Starting point is 00:08:32 And at the age of 13 and a half, they called my father and said, Your child, we can't do it anymore. Listen to him, you know? You have to come and get him. So my father came to get me. And then he was with a woman at that time. And she was blonde, with blue and green eyes. And then she said, from now on, since I'm with your father, you're going to call me Mom. I look at her, I hate her right away. De suite, de suite, de suite, de suite.

Starting point is 00:09:08 Je l'ai aïe de suite. Un générable de 13 ans qui... pas le genre de chose, faut-il dire, hein? Parce que moi, ma mère, je la connaissais, elle avait les cheveux bruns, puis elle avait les yeux comme les mien, bruns aussi. Fait que c'était pas ma mère, toi. Puis là, surtout quand elle m'imposait, à partir d'aujourd'hui, j', you're going to call me Mom. Of course, sometimes I called him Mom, but there were times when it was my damn bitch. When you say, you're going to call me Mom, so your brother is there too, what's going on? Your younger or older son?

Starting point is 00:09:40 He's younger. Three years younger. Did you follow in all those things? You were separated. We were separated. I don't know where he was. I don't know. I saw my brother recently. He was four or five years old. It's been 30 years since we last saw each other. At that time, when you were 13, did you go back to your father's house? Yes, he was at my father's house.

Starting point is 00:10:05 He was 10 years old. He was more able to get along with my father than I was. And in society too? In society too. He went to the Navy, and he went to school, it went well. I went to school and... The Navy, no thank you! I was fighting and he was sticking like crazy. I loved it. I arrived, the guy was pushing me, and I was like, bam! No chance. Faka, tu sais demain j'ai grandi. Faka, à 13 ans et demi, quand j'étais arrivé chez cette madame-là, pis mon père,

Starting point is 00:10:53 ça a pris un an. Euh, moi je jouais dans des... Mon père, il jouait au hockeyo. Je sais pas si tu connais ça, hockeyo. C'est avec des cartes, là. Un peu comme le jeu avec les chiffres, là. Je me souvi of cards. I don't remember the numbers. Was it a Sudoku game? No, it was a Sudoku game. I don't remember. It was a game of cards.

Starting point is 00:11:13 It was a game of cards. OK, it was OK. They had to put studs on the four of them. It was like a bingo. There were metal round pockets that had to been cut to make like a truncheon so that it was cutting. But I had a machine, I bought cigarettes, put it in the machines for music. It had phone devices, phones, it didn't exist, it was a cell phone. So, at one point, I went with my father to Bluebonnets. I learned how to make money when I was very young. I went with him to the Bluebonnets race. The Bluebonnets race for those who don't know.

Starting point is 00:11:58 The race that became the Montreal race, which has become nothing at all today. Yes, that's right. And there was also Richelieu, too, which existed at the time. But I would get in the door, and the gentlemen who were coming out with the programs in their hands, I would say, your program, sir, your program, your program. And then they would give it to me, and I would sell it to the one who would come in. Do you understand? So I learned how to make money already. A little hustle. With nothing,, you understand?

Starting point is 00:12:27 So my youth continued like that. And when I arrived in Rosemont, I stayed until the 16th, between Dendurant and Rosemont. I went to Saint-François-Solano school, the street of Durent, between 16 and 15. So I started school there. I stole school. I stole school. I saw, for example, Bruno, we all opened a small bank account at that time, in the 60s and 70s. In the 80s, I remember we did that with the popular party in the neighborhood. Yeah, that's it. I was with, I was always with the negatives, I don't know why.

Starting point is 00:13:10 It seems to be the same. Yeah, that's it. I was there, I stole the school, we stole all the envelopes, the deposits, and stuff like that. We bought a bag of chips, at that time it was 500. It wasn't expensive in the 70s. On, ça s'acheta un sac de chips dans ce temps-là, c'était cinq cent. T'sais, il était pas cher dans le temps, les années 70, là. Fait que, ben, je me rappelle, un paquet de tabac, quand j'étais allé au Mont-Sainte-Antoine, un paquet de tabac, 50 grammes, c'était 50 cents. Pis un paquet de pépiers, c'était 5 cents. Fait que pour 55 cents, tu fumais en masse. Tu jouais, tu pouvais fumer toute la semaine.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Mais ça a bien changé. C'est pour ça que j'ai arrêté de fumer. Moi, faut avoir failli deux ans, là, j'ai arrêté de fumer. So for 50-50, you could smoke all week. But it changed a lot. That's why I stopped smoking. I had to stop smoking for two years. You wouldn't have me pay 18 bucks for the pack, it's not true. I would never have stopped. It was a good incentive and a good investment. So to continue my story. You said a student for a year, then you... I was a kid, I came with my father. So, you didn't go to school, you stole your father and all that.

Starting point is 00:14:11 That's it, but my father, well, he took advantage of it. At that time, there were cars, it was small Renault 5s, that passed through the polyvalent, and they were called the help in youth. But I help in the lead. So that's it. What did I do? From that moment on...

Starting point is 00:14:31 The school flight. The school flight, the help to youth. I was passing by the court in the area of Saint Denis and Bellechasse. The court of the young people. The young people of the Blincans. And next to it was Saint-Valier. At that time, but today there's no more, it's over, it's been a long time. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. Des jeunes. It was like cells. You closed it in the evening, it was ordinary cells with barrels. And it's the young people who put it in there.

Starting point is 00:15:09 It's not in place to put them in, but they do it like that here in Quebec. So it gives water to the mill, you understand, because it makes future... It already makes the man's ingratitude in the middle of adolescence. It gives jobs to the guards. in the Today, I've been in school for 13, 14 years. It's the second longest time in my life that I've been outside for so long. Last time, it was 11 years. From 1982 to 1992. 10 years, 10 and a half. I'm going to bring you back to school. My mom told me, when I leave, I don't stop.

Starting point is 00:16:01 Once you're in class, what happens after school? Well, that's it. The judge says, André, would you like to come back to your parents' house or would you prefer to be sent to Mont-Saint-Antoine? I said, send me to Mont-Saint-Antoine. For the people who don't know Mont-Saint-Antoine? Mont-Saint-Antoine is était 81-47, chez Brook Est. C'est une école de réforme pour les jeunes,

Starting point is 00:16:30 pis qu'ils veulent se faire envoyer là-bas parce qu'ils sont plus capables de les faire écouter à la maison, la mère a de la misère, pis tout le kit, faque là, ils envoient les jeunes là au Mont Saint-Antoine. Je vais vous donner un conseil, there, at Saint-Antoine. I'll give you some advice. Don't send your guy there. You have the relatives in place. Because if you send him there, it's going to do like it did with me. The school of crime? When I got there, I didn't even know what it was like a little joint. And when I got out of there, I was taking the mask, I was taking acid, I was taking all the drugs that were in place to not live the pain that it is to not be raised in a normal family. We freeze emotions.

Starting point is 00:17:14 That's it. That's it. And when I left Mont-Saint-Antoine, How old were you? Saint-Antoine. T'avais quel âge? J'avais, ils m'ont fait un cadeau. En 1973, le 21 décembre 1973, ils sont rentrés dans mon cubicule. Ça c'était une cellule avec un rideau là. On l'appelait un cubicule. Ils sont venus me voir dans mon cubicule puis ils m'ont dit André, on te fait un cadeau aujourd'hui. Ah ouais? Moi je m'attendais pas à des cadeaux on For those who were going out, you know, now you had done the suture, they gave you the little pointed hammer, you know, little You were doing a job while you were there, in the I'll be your? It's not the same as it works. Because if you want to be your? You have to understand that you throw your arm, that you break it,

Starting point is 00:18:52 and that you do everything that you can to at least to you. While if you go out and you don't have that... You don't have that, you can't do anything, you're so curious. I worked for a company called Roxton, the Roxton furniture company. I cut the sofas and the... what was it called? The E-boys. The E-boys. I had a guy behind me who would stack the boards together and he would make a template.

Starting point is 00:19:22 I would cut it, and I would do it, and I would do it, and I was doing it, but I wasn't doing a piece of furniture, it was the work on the chain. It's like the Chinese nowadays, you know, there's one that puts a ball, and another one puts a ball, and the last one, there's no... the thread is finished. So that's it. So if my calculations are exact, you're like 17 years old at this point. I'm 17 years old, I'm tired of being there, and I'm going to my grandmother's. And my grandmother... I'm staying in the basement downstairs, but my grandfather doesn't agree with that. So two weeks later, my grandmother came to see me and said, she said, you should go upstairs, your grandfather doesn't like that.

Starting point is 00:20:06 So I was thinking, my grandfather doesn't like that, I have to go, where? You don't have a family, you're not going. It's January now. You don't have anything, that's what I thought. So, I don't have an idea. I'm going to the army.

Starting point is 00:20:24 So I'm going to the army. So I'm going to go, if I don't remember which street in Montreal there. 75 l'année, 01 première semaine de janvier. Faut-tu présenter le 7501 à base de Saint-Jean-Sberleut. Je me présente là, moi, j'ai les cheveux ici, là je n'y suis plus là, mais je pense que là je les rase. J'en ai. I have hair here. I don't have any anymore. But I think I'm getting them back. I have some. I'm in the same boat as you. I have some, but it's not tempting. I'm not pretty when I have long hair. So that's it. I introduce myself on the base of Iberville.

Starting point is 00:21:20 We call that a poof. A new one that enters his base of the city, it's a poof. The guy who hasn't started yet. Then there's a little comic, which had a boot that was there, he came to see me at my table, and he said, would you like to dance, miss?

Starting point is 00:21:40 Because I have hair. I danced with you. I was there, I danced,, I grabbed his face and all. He killed Chris, he beat you up. It's just to... If you propose to me, I'll do something. Yeah, shut up and put your desk down. That's it. Because when I was young, you told me, you're not game to do that. You're not game.

Starting point is 00:22:03 They showed me if I'm not game. But who'a tellement montré si je suis pas game. Mais c'est qui le tatac qui payait le bill? C'était moi. J'ai payé longtemps le bill. Puis à un moment donné, quand tu me disais t'es pas game de faire ça, ben je suis pas game aussi. Tu comprends-tu, là? T'as fini par apprendre. J'ai fini par apprendre, puis fini, mettre mon pied à terre.

Starting point is 00:22:22 Mais à un moment donné, c'était comme un peu trop. Parce que j'étais à la maison de transition. Attends, je te ramène. I was going to take it and put my foot down. But at one point, it was a bit too much. Because I was at the transition house. Wait, I'll take you back to the army. Because you haven't been taken to jail yet in your history, and you're in the transition house. I'll take you back to the army. After a month in the Canadian Armed Forces, you have the right to go out and go to your family. I had made a mistake. de sortir pis aller dans ta famille. Je m'étais fait une blonde moi. Elle restait à 99e avenue pis Notre-Dame à Pointe-A-Tranque.

Starting point is 00:22:52 Celle-là j'allais passer tout de suite aussi. Je m'étais fait une blonde moi. Je faisais du camping dans l'île. Tu sais, il y a le pont de la garde d'heure. Je sais pas si tu connais ça, pour te rendre le pont de la garde d'heure. There's the bridge to the guard tower. I don't know if you know that, can you get to the guard tower? We leave it there completely. Underneath there's grass and there's water you can fish, you can do whatever. I was camping there. So there were two girls passing by the bridge. Hello, hello! And they come down, they come straight. So I chose one of the little girls, both of them. And my boyfriend was with the other. Allo! Allo! Il descend, il vient de Noir. Fait que je me choisi une des petites filles des deux. Pis mon chum est avec l'autre, t'sais.

Starting point is 00:23:30 Finalement, je m'envoi l'aider chez sa mère pis son père. Elle était adoptée chez un monsieur pis une madame qui étaient ses beaux parents. Pis elle faisait tout ce qu'elle voulait. C'était la princesse dans la maison. Fait qu'elle voulait que son chum couche dans sa chambre. So she was in her room, I was in her room, and the grandparents, but it was as if it were her grandparents, he was really angry at us. She was 14, I was 17. So I got into a fight, and when I went into the American-American forces, I was bored with her.

Starting point is 00:24:01 And the first time I went out, I was in the US, and I was joined the USF, I was bored of it. The first job after a month, where you get the permission to go out on a military base, you have to go see your family at the end of the week. So I didn't go in. I didn't want to go in. I was with my wife. Je l'étais avec ma blonde. La police militaire, ils sont venus me chercher. Puis quand ils ont cogné... Deserter dans le pont. Oui. Quand les MPs ont cogné dans la potte, puis elles viennent ouvrir la potte, elle a eu assez peur. Elle dit, on cherche M. André Pososer. She said, he's in the wardrobe. I don't want to. At 14, especially. We're young.

Starting point is 00:24:52 So they caught me and took me to Saint-Tuber. There's a base in Saint-Tuber. But not with the world. I was in prison. There was no one line. And I had to be careful in front of my cell phone from morning to evening. For two weeks I did that. You wanted to break it.

Starting point is 00:25:17 I wanted to break it. I wanted to put it outside. They brought me back to Saint-Renaud-du-Bville, and it took me a month to prepare my papers. At that time, I was working on potatoes. You were more fit. I was working on potatoes. I was working for the kitchen. And one month later, they said, «Gal, you're in trouble». So they gave me my honorable release. donné ma relise honorable, pareil, parce que je relise des honorable, j'aurais plus jamais rien faire dans la vie si quelqu'un venait qu'à savoir que j'avais été. On se spot up pour un CV et se faire un metre dehors de l'armée, surtout pas à cette époque-là.

Starting point is 00:25:57 Je pense qu'aujourd'hui, c'est probablement, je pense pas que ça se passer imagine you, at that time, when I was based in Saint-Jean-du-Bérville, we lived in the old barracks of the Second World War. It was like the kind of... of the arturaries. On the long one, everyone had the elite, and we saw each other. You'd think of prison movies, you see the artur a lot of big cells with two or three high beds. And then they built a central building. So that's it. I left the Canadian army and at some point I started hanging out with some guys from the Fontaine, not far from here. I went to the Cafe du Lut. It was the first bars, well it was bars, it was for the young people, you song, Man Do It. Shame, shame. It's been a long time, it's been a long time.

Starting point is 00:27:12 It's the old, old, old things that are in my head. That's why I, you know, today, you want to take me where I was with Céline. And that's it. Today, when I played with young people, they say, He went to Openn! Yeah, okay, he went to Openn, and it's... It's nothing. If you go to Openn, it's the groundless piece of land that you can send someone, you know? And that you do it one day or that you do it 100 years, it's the same thing.

Starting point is 00:27:45 If you've been there, if you've been there, well, but don't start to boast about it, for example. Because there, there, I'm well known sometimes, I talked to them, Hey, my husband, he was a pinitentiary. But I said, we're going to talk to your husband. We're going to talk to him a little bit, and then you rent it. You know, it's the guys, they want to your husband. We'll have a little chat. And then you can rent. You know, it's the guys who want to show themselves. I did, as I told you, I did 400 times at the federal. Even though I wanted to apologize, it's been almost 15 years.

Starting point is 00:28:18 I left there the last time. And the lawyer said to me, How many times have you been to the police? I said I was four times. He been to the Pinnitansi. I said I've been four times. He said after three, you're out. I could never have my pardon. I don't care. I have my passport.

Starting point is 00:28:35 I can't go to Mexico. The first time I'm going on a trip in my life, that I'm going to board a plane and feel the engine dust, I don't know that. I worked all my life in the high-rise, because I was lucky to have a good job in my life. When I was in the gas station in the 80s, I was taking pills. I didn't want to waste time, so I took pills. And then the scrooge was trying to get me up. And then one day he called me to the office and said,

Starting point is 00:29:11 ''Pose, if you don't put your feet down, we're going to send you to the max.'' And at that moment, it was Archambault. Don Acuna didn't exist yet. And he said, ''You're going to do your best.'' So I had one of my friends friend that I still see today. I never thought I would meet him in a meeting room. He said, wouldn't you like to do some work? Work? What work?

Starting point is 00:29:40 Well, it's painting on mirrors. We're going to buy some mirrors's the paint on the mirrors. We're going to buy paint on the mirrors. I didn't even know how to draw a shoe paint. What do you want us to do with that? Well, you take the sketches and I'll explain everything to you. Do you want it or not? We'll try. So I ordered a mirror sheet,

Starting point is 00:30:02 which is a 4x8 in 3mm. They're going to deliver it to me at minimum B16 at the bottom, before it was immigration. Then I started cutting mirrors on a picnic table. We cut mirrors on a picnic table, we broke them, we make little drawings, and we would buy encodements. We would put encodements with the design. So I learned to cut and work the glass there. I'll stop before I leave. I'll let you go there, but I I'm going to bring you back after the army. You told me you had a bar where the young people started dating people from the Fontainebleau Park. Yes, that's it.

Starting point is 00:30:52 I was arrested in 1975. Your first arrest, besides the school thing. Yes, my First major arrest. Major. I was arrested for having tied eight people in a house. They called it home invasion. There weren't many at the time. No, that's another story today. Yes, that's it.

Starting point is 00:31:30 My room was a mess. ça. Mon chum fait le comique, on avait été, ça nous prenait du courage en bouteille, nous autres avant de faire des affaires de même, puis il buvait de la bière, puis là il me donnait, moi j'étais un amateur de chocolat, il me donnait du chocolat, mais I'm not a fan of the X-Lax. So, I went to the alleged victims, the cockroach on top of the head, the gun on top of the toilet, and I was doing the action. I was just going to ask you a question, because it said something that made my ear tired. The alleged victims.

Starting point is 00:32:04 Well, the alleged victims. It's a weird me tired. The supposed victims. Well, the supposed victims. I mean, you're in a house with a guy, you're in the bathroom, but you call them the supposed victims. Yeah. You know, the word supposed, he... But I was totally unconscious. I mean, they're victims.

Starting point is 00:32:20 They're victims. It's serious because the word supposed victim, he came to annoy me, I didn't understand. Listen, you're in this... It's serious because the word supposed victim, he came to hit me in the face, I didn't like it. Listen, in that sense, for you at the time, it wasn't victims. For me at the time, I was a carefree, you know, to make qualified flights and all that, a little like my dear friend said the other day, it was easy,

Starting point is 00:32:38 you know, it's easy to make qualified flights, any crazy guy who does that, you know, ringan, then pointed in the face of the person and said, I'm. There were no crazy people who did that. It was a ring gun, and he pointed it in the face of the person, and he said, I'm hiding it. There were no crazy people who did that. But it's to live with it, for example. OK. The consequences of your actions. Yes, that's it.

Starting point is 00:32:55 I realized much later that what I had done, I did it because I needed it. At that time, it wasn't to freeze myself, you know, that I was flying. It was to stay home and survive, and have a home. You know, at 18, 20 years old, when you think about it, you're a young man, but not fully developed. You know nothing. You were a teenager with a beard and chin, that's all. You're still a teenager. Yes, that's it. And I don't even have one.

Starting point is 00:33:29 So that's it. What was the first sentence you received related to this crime? Two years less a day. He wanted to give me a lot more than that. He wanted to give me a lot more than that. But given my age, I saw... And there was someone who was a social worker who came to see me and I left him. And I counted all my childhood, all my parties, you know.

Starting point is 00:33:52 And he talked to the judge and the crown lawyer and all that. Two years less a day, less a day, it's going to be enough for that guy. So I did my two years, less days, but full. 17 months on the back. And besides that, when I finished my sentence, they sent me to a therapy house, the 15th and then Bélanger. I don't remember the name of the house.

Starting point is 00:34:24 Before you arrived at the therapy house, how did your 17 months go? For the young man, his first incarceration, how did it go? I was at the birds. Fish in the water? Well, yeah. I was raised in there. And that's what happens. After the 17 months, the morning I get up, my interviewee says, are you going to work in the morning? I say no.

Starting point is 00:34:46 How do you say no? I say no, I take the bus and I go back to prison. You go back to prison, you take the bus. I say yes. You're not talking about your therapy house? Yes. OK. And I did it.

Starting point is 00:35:00 You were better in prison than in a therapy house? I got out of the therapy home, on a bus, and I got on the 800 West Boulevard Gouin. And the big bell, the big ring in the metal door, bang, bang, bang. The screw was going, what do you want? I said, I want to go in. He said, how do you want to go in? Ça fait 25 ans que je travaille ici. Ils veulent tout sortir ici, ils veulent pas rentrer. J'ai dit moi je veux rentrer, je vais aller voir un mi-jam. C'est comme ça.

Starting point is 00:35:34 C'est le moyen le plus facile pour moi. Même quand plus tard, dans mes autres sentences au fédéral, ils ont dit, tu es là, tu es tellement habitué d'être en prison là, que c'est pas une in prison, it's not a punishment for you. The punishment for you is to be made to live outside and to make you live like society is supposed to be. And when the pigs didn't know, I came to the crisis. I came bad, and they closed me down because I wasn't able to deal with it. I was in a bad situation. The the He didn't want to. Your best punishment is to stay here and face your demons.

Starting point is 00:36:27 And to talk to people. I was in Portage, Mélaric, Carignan. I did all the biggest therapy houses. But it was not possible. I didn't want to open myself to anyone else. Because I always had my own costs. So I was sure he wouldn't let me down. I never made any costs with anyone else. Never.

Starting point is 00:36:56 And when you were sent to a therapy house, was it because there was addiction in your life at the same time? Well, yes, I was consuming, but it took me years to make the link between consumption. Because when I was drunk, I was like, come here, come here, I'm sure there's someone here, if it's her, I would have had a drink, and then I would have seen what I would have done. Unfortunately, it happens too often. I would have seen what I would have done. Unfortunately, it happens too often. Yes, unfortunately. There are people who get there. Because I have so many views of people in there,

Starting point is 00:37:32 they are not there because they are bad people. They were in certain mental conditions, who were not there, and who shot a target, and there was an accident, a car, whatever. I say that a lot in this podcast, and you just said it too, but we're going to say that 80% to 90% of people who are locked up in our prisons, these are problems of addiction and mental health. Yes, but that's it. But me, in my youth, when I did the three diagrams, in 75 when I started, at the age of 21, 22, to be inage, électricien, monteur, charpente,

Starting point is 00:38:29 manuvisier. Il donnait tous ses métiers là. Fait que là, les gars, ils sortaient dedans, ils étaient tous diplômés, mais c'était pas ça le problème. Ils se sont rendu compte que quand même qu'il y avait They realized that even though there were two or three jobs, it was the drink and the drug that was the problem. So there, the instructors, when they took the retirement leave, they closed the shop, closed the grocery store, closed the plumbers' shop, closed the electric, welding, welding shop, etc. And there, in a electric, welding, etc. And in that time, it's just programs.

Starting point is 00:39:08 But there's people in there, they don't need just programs, they have resources. You know, you can go to school, but they don't do any job. They don't do any job. So if you want to learn jobs, you have to wait until you go out. But when you go out, you don't need to learn the job, you need to work and have money. Exactly. You understand? It's complex. It's all or nothing. It's on the right side of the piano, on the left side of the piano, just the middle.

Starting point is 00:39:40 It's not there. He's not there. He believed in the 1980s in the rehabilitation of the detainees with the programs that were there, but today, everyone is there. Everyone, young people, young people, listen, the vapors, I'm looking at you vaping, there's people at school, they've never smoked a cigarette, they evaporated. Why do they evaporate? Because they're like the others. It's the same thing if you look at it like that. After this sentence, your first provincial sentence, you go out in the street, how long does it take before you...

Starting point is 00:40:19 40 days. 40 days? Of freedom? What does 40 days look like? 40 days that look like what? 40 days that look like I live in a small apartment. I think I was with my first blonde, not my first blonde, my 18-year-old Jeanette. I saw that written somewhere in your arm Jeanette. Yes, that's it. The thing is we're still talking today.

Starting point is 00:40:44 We met again after Facebook. It's it. The cool thing is that we're still talking today. We met again after Facebook. It's big, isn't it? She met me again after all those years. André Poser was fine. Yeah, it's me. So we're still talking today. She made her life. She had a child.

Starting point is 00:41:03 But life follows its course. And that's 40 days? 40 days in an apartment, and then... There was someone who lent me a gun. And... It wasn't me, it was a loan. So there are two other guys who come to me and say, Hey, André, we'd like to borrow your gun.

Starting point is 00:41:23 Well, no, well, no, I can't do that. I said, well, we'll do a'd like to have a weapon like that. Well, no, no, I can't do that. I said, well, we'll do something with you. I'm going with you. People leaving when you just got out, seeing a guy in possession, that's not the best idea. No, but it's because I had jobs. I was supposed to do jobs

Starting point is 00:41:40 that were much more expensive than independent. And it belonged to someone from the middle, I was doing jobs that weren't as profitable as a dependent. And it belonged to someone in the middle who died today. So you were doing that job with them? I was doing that job with them and at one point the police left after us. What was the job? A warehouse. A warehouse.

Starting point is 00:42:04 But a truck... What was the gym? A warehouse. Okay. A warehouse. A truck. No, it's a warehouse of a warehouse. Okay, okay. When we're going to make the warehouse. It's less that today because everything is electronic, but at the end when the stores are closed, it's that. Yeah, that's it. To make the warehouse in the bank. To have the drawer.

Starting point is 00:42:18 In the trap that was outside. Yeah, the drawer. So that's it. We did it, but when we got saved, turning around a street, the tires cracked. There was a policeman who was just by the street, giving him a sign and turning towards us. He let go of everything and came towards us. So it started a chase for men. And it ended up that we went into the car and the driver managed to get out of there. And me and my other friend, we got tired of the qualified flight. And then again, he was in the race when he wanted to give me 10 years. Well, he said, you're just 40 days out and you've already started.

Starting point is 00:43:09 Yeah, that's it. 10 years, I'm not going to cry. I'm still a child. I didn't want to think about it. Even if you're in jail, 10 years is a big number. It's starting to get big. He said, I'm doing well, you want to go back, but to me, it's going to pay off. You want to go back, but you're saying, it's not going to come. That's right. I thought about that last night. When I look at the beautiful years, the beautiful years of my youth,

Starting point is 00:43:34 and I see people today who are doing well, and I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. He goes to school, he does his business, I'm not kidding. I didn't fool around. He goes to school, he does his business, I didn't fool around. You know, I encourage that. I go to therapy houses for young people, and I talk to the young people, you know, and I tell them, you know, the solution is if you consume, you don't fix the problem. You'll just get fat.

Starting point is 00:44:07 You'll just get fat. You'll get fat for a week, two weeks, but he'll come back. And he can get worse. He can get worse. I do that more and more with the podcast. I'm invited more and more to schools, youth centers, and I try to... Well, to try to talk about your experience. That's what they tell me when I finish talking. They say, I see a good man, I hug him and I say, it's fun to see a real man. A guy who has gone through all the steps you've gone through,

Starting point is 00:44:39 and I'm not dead. I have scars sometimes. But your passage here, people may not always be aware when they come here, but it helps a lot. This podcast is still very popular. You are currently in one of the most popular podcasts in Quebec. I receive a lot of messages from young people who listen to it. It opens my eyes, it helps me. What you're telling us today, it's going to help and inspire people. I thank you for being there because it really helps a lot of people. That's why I wanted to do it too. Because I saw you talking to some people and things that just touched me.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Because even if I did all those things that are rockabilly, and that I came back and that I see the desire for today, well, I didn't do that for the gallery. You know, in the end, it's my life, I didn't know myself. I had never had any parental experience with a father. Pour la galerie, tu sais, dans le fond, c'est ma vie, je me connaissais pas. J'avais jamais eu d'expérience parentale avec un père. J'avais jamais eu d'expérience avec une mère. Les exemples familiales, je connaissais pas ça. Quand je suis sorti la dernière, dernière fois, non pas la dernière,

Starting point is 00:46:01 la dernière fois quand je suis sorti, pis ma mère était vivante encore, No, not the last time. The last time I went out, my mother was still alive, and she's dead. It was always me calling, calling, calling. And then I went to the Christmas party and it was a mess. I said to her, that's it, a family? I'm not going. I'm not going. I was shaking my head and I didn't want to see anyone. I was alone at home, I was lonely. When the pandemic hit during the two years, I was fine. I was fine. I was one of the few people in the pandemic who was like,

Starting point is 00:46:37 I'm locked up alone at home with my wife and my children, and I don't need to see anyone else. That's the fun. And I didn't have that many problems with that concept in life. The only thing I missed were the shows. I'm a rich man, I do shows. The only thing I missed was the rest. I did well.

Starting point is 00:46:52 I bring you back to the second sentence they wanted to give you for 10 years. What did you get? I got four and a half sentences. This is your first open visit. Yes. And then, at the Penitentiary, it starts to have televisions. visit Openn. It was a little man, he had a heart attack, he died in the first degree, and it was one of the old men in Laval. It was all him who wired the TVs to have them everywhere in the cellar. It was him who took care of that.

Starting point is 00:47:33 Okay. I went to the old man, but I just went to the dentist. I never went to prison there. Oh well, he went to Archambault and then... Yeah, that's it. I went to Dona. I was everywhere. It's not a valorization.

Starting point is 00:47:51 But since there was a guest who came here, I told you earlier that I played music in Paris. Pat Martel, the former drummer of Off the Back. With Pat. Myself, I was a musician. And musicians in prison in prison are appreciated. They'll never get you anything. You do the Parton Noels, the St. Jean Baptiste,

Starting point is 00:48:11 you do all the events that exist. You were saying basement. I'm a bassist. I still do shows until last year. My guitarist went to Victoriaville, so I didn't do any more shows. And when I was 68, I went to listen to them in the square. If you had to tell me when you listened to the podcast, you could have crossed paths, you didn't cross paths, but I would have contacted you with Pat, I'm sure he would be super happy to have you. Oh no, but I have pictures with Pat.

Starting point is 00:48:43 Oh, but I would have contacted happy if you wanted to talk again. I played with him, I saw him sometimes. He's going to do a show with Paul and... Hey, hi, man! Ok, cool, at least it's a good one. Yeah, yeah, I met him. I know him. We're not really regular friends, but I know the person. And how was your first sentence? You told me the first provincial sentence, which I'm used to.

Starting point is 00:49:11 Was it as easy or a little harder? It was a little harder. I was wondering what I was doing. I don't think that's life. That's not life in prison. You're told to get up at one o'clock, you were told to eat... A lack of women too? I don't really know that. I've never been in a relationship for a long time.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Today I don't have any women, it makes me laugh. I can do anything for you. I even have one of my chums who came to stay with me. The cost of living today has become so hard that the pension of old age and social security, no, I mean the pension of Quebec, there's not much about it, but I'm lucky in all of this, Iux dans tout ça. Je fais du cuir. Ouais, c'est ça. On va reparler de ça tout à l'heure. Ouais, c'est ça. C'est ça. J'ai appris ça dans les salles d'OB au Pénitentier. Quand j'étais plus jeune, je voyais les gars comment faire de l'argent, tu sais, à ce moment-là, tu sais. Pis à un moment donné, là je n'avais assez, je me suis acheté des outils quand j'étais en dedans, pis j'achetais des pots,

Starting point is 00:50:34 le gars qui travaillait au socio-culturel, le gardien, il me dit, « Coudon, donnons-nous bien de l'argent, toi! » Ben, je lui dis, au lieu de fumer des cigarettes, I stopped smoking. Some people say they have trouble buying a soap. I was sure. It was your priority to put me in a good place. This first penalty at the federal level, did you smoke? I smoked hash. So it wasn't too rock'n'roll?

Starting point is 00:51:07 No, I wasn't rock'n'roll. I met Cocaïne when I was 28. One of my friends came over and I was a glass-drinker. At home, it was an empty table in the kitchen, a table with mirrors, a living room with mirrors. table de vide dans la cuisine, table avec des miroirs, table de salon au miroir. Fait que les gars sortaient les affaires pis ils se diseraient que c'est la table. Pis là je dis, qu'est-ce que tu fais? Je suis enceint, je fais de la coke. De la coke? Ils me disent, t'as jamais fait ça? Je dis ben non.

Starting point is 00:51:38 Ils me disent, tu veux t'essayer? Je dis ben oui. Là j'essaye ça. C'est quoi ça sacrement? C'est un affaire de dentiste ça. I tried it and I was like, what the hell is this? It's a dentist thing! I was like, what the hell is this? Sorry, for those who never did it, he might not understand, but for those who never did it, I love the reference. That's it, but what the hell is this thing? It's cocaine, well, I'm like, fuck it. I'm really paying 20 bucks for a little bag.

Starting point is 00:52:08 I liked it better, I bought a gram of hash and I got a big beer. But it's incisive. It's very incisive. With a body, I was doing a party. A little later, it took me two bodies. And after that, it was the gram, and it didn't stop. Then they took me to Paranoia, to go in there. And then I saw cops everywhere, and then I hid, I played the curtain.

Starting point is 00:52:36 I pressed the cook, and then the cook. Yeah, that's it. And it been very expensive in my life. Sometimes I give little cues, especially if there are people who listen to it in the audio, who haven't seen your gesture, learn to cook, so you're talking about transforming the cocaine into free bass. So you're making the cocaine even more powerful. You smoke or all the heat is in there. Yeah, but not when it's crystal clear. No, no, it's better. Anyway, it was a dark side of my life that made me that when I started at 28, and that's when I met my son.

Starting point is 00:53:20 She was 17. That's not bad, 28, 17 is still a good age gap. OK. I was 100 pounds. And I loved her. And at one point, I said, no, I can't. It's going to hurt too much. If I get married to that little girl, we'll split up. It's going to hurt too much. I didn't want to have a baby.

Starting point is 00:53:58 And finally, she said, listen, we're fine today together. I said, yes. She said, let the days go by and we'll see how long it will last. It lasted 12 years. And I had a child from that time. And those who say that because you have a child, it will make you lose your consumption, it's not true. It's really not true. I would have been in jail every time. I was unconscious. I went to places where there was consumption.

Starting point is 00:54:30 And it was always going, going, going, like a little dog. Going and going to throw up in the street, and I went back into the bar, and we kept going. It was really my circle of follow-up that... And when you're too young, the coke helps you to get back on your feet. It helps you to get back on your feet, and all that. But it cost me a lot of my time. When did you finish that first federal sentence of four years? I was 11 years old without going home.

Starting point is 00:55:10 Which was the period when you met that girl, I guess? No, I had met her. I was still with her, Jacinthe, when I left Dandian because she was waiting for me. During those four years, you had met her before, so when you had those four years, you were already with her? No, wait a minute, I don't remember when we met. I think you were too young for that. No, that's it, in 81, my son came to the world in 89.

Starting point is 00:55:36 So no, I wasn't with her yet, I didn't know her. No, because if I trust myself,. I'm trying to follow you. You had your first provincial sentence, you were 20, 21. Not provincial, I was 18. So you're 20, you stayed 40 days outside. So you're 24, 25. 24, 25, that's where I'll meet my wife.

Starting point is 00:56:02 So during that 11 years, that's where I'll meet her. So during that 11 years, that's when you met her. That's when I met her. So you work, you do your business, that's when you meet her. Yes, that's it. And in 1992, I got on board so much that I wanted to fly and eat. So your boyfriend was 3 years old at that time. Yes, in the middle of that. Did you live with her? I lived with her, yes, at that time. You lived with her? I lived with her, yes, at that time.

Starting point is 00:56:27 And what happened? You were 11 years old, you didn't go to jail, you worked, you didn't have a crime, you consumed every day, but... We consumed both of us. Both of you? Okay. Oh. Okay, that doesn't help. It doesn't help. A couple that consumes, it never lasts long. And did you consume, did you do stupid things, did you get caught or did you get there? I did stupid things, I didn't get caught. For 11 years?

Starting point is 00:56:56 Not for 11 years. At the end, when I started... Ok, the first years when you left your 4 years old, you were still... I was calm. You were calm for a couple of years. I put on a little dress and all that. Okay. At the age of 28. That's when you met the cop.

Starting point is 00:57:09 That's when I met the cop and that's when I started making trouble later. And then I got arrested at Pointe-A-Tremble and I got caught... That I did. Another 4 and a half. It was another qualified flight? All qualified flights. All qualified flights. Yeah. I wasn't even... I can't do the front. another four and a half. It was another qualified flight? All qualified flights.

Starting point is 00:57:26 I couldn't do the fraud. I'm full of tattoos. You didn't have any help. I didn't put on the gloves. No, I didn't do the traffic. It was all... The cash, the piece, I'll get the money, I'll do the party.

Starting point is 00:57:42 When there's no more money, we'll get the piece, we'll get it right away. That's it. Okay. That's it. So, we got to 92, I got arrested. And then I got caught at 4.5. I did my time at Coanduil, a bit like a thing. And then she came to see me in a roll.

Starting point is 00:58:03 There are rolls right now. And then it's fun, there are love rolls. And she had a roll of pis on m'a dit que j'étais un alcoolique toxicomane. Pis tu suis allé où toi? Je voulais pas moi, la crise, pas de biais de ma vie, voyons donc, j'étais pas capable de concevoir ça là. Fait que là il dit, t'as-tu déjà consomé sans ouai bu? Euh, ouais. Mais t'étais un alcoolique toxicomane. I'm not an alcoholic, why do I drink so much and I fall asleep and you give me the night? That's a pretty good definition of an alcoholic! I'm not an alcoholic, but I don't drink that often.

Starting point is 00:59:03 I understand the... You know, when I don't talk often. I understand the... You know, when you don't want to admit it. Nobody ever told you? You don't want to talk about it? I don't see it. I'm like neighbors in the upper part of our country at the moment. The little girl stays upstairs, she drinks beer with you and Jo, she says, it takes that into life, it takes pleasure. I say, you can take pleasure in something else than drinking beer. Stop taking pleasure for two days if you're able to see how much it's not so much pleasure than that.

Starting point is 00:59:34 No, it's okay. But at some point, I told her, I kept a chair next to me in a meeting room. One day you'll understand. That's how I see it today. place, une chaise à côté de moi dans une salle de meeting. Un jour tu vas comprendre. C'est comme ça que je le vois aujourd'hui, tu sais. J'essaie pas de... tu peux pas arriver à quelqu'un et dire, tu es un alcoolique, pis faut t'arrêter de boire. Tu vas me regarder, je veux te parler de chier. Ben oui, en tant. Moi, tu m'arrêtes ça, moi, t'es un alc to die, and I was screaming my lungs out, I didn't want to know anything about anyone. But at some point I started to... It's like Bart Simpson, you know, the muffin...

Starting point is 01:00:20 Sorry if you weren't aware of the reference of that episode, it's a simple episode of the Simpsons, but I know so much about which one you're talking about. Yeah, that's it, you know, the muffin, you don't know you were the reference for this episode. It's an old Simpson episode, but I know so much about it. Yeah, that's it. The muffin, you can't touch it. He can't help but not touch it. He's going to... He's getting a shock every time, but it's okay. He can understand. Until Chris comes back, you know. You always have a shock. But that's it. It made me...

Starting point is 01:00:41 I lived in it, as I said. This is one of the first times we put your problem in the face. In the face, yes. In 1994. In 1994. Your son is 5 years old too. My son is 4 and a half, 5 years old. 4 and a half, 5 years old.

Starting point is 01:00:55 Yes. And you're a little drunk, you say you're going to hang on to that or not yet? Well, I want to go back, I still love my wife at that time. She told me that. I did it on purpose to extend it because she was taking classes at school. Yes, we were in grade 3 or 4. So I told the people in the therapy house, I'm not ready. I'm not ready to go into the traffic.

Starting point is 01:01:25 So they extend my time. But two years ago, I'm here, I'm not ready. Did they kill us? Did you make your sentence? Your 80,000 wasn't completed during therapy, right? No, but it's been two years since I was in transition. I have no time to report, but I'm still in transition. And now they have much time left to report, but I was still in transition. And then they took us all in.

Starting point is 01:01:49 I was in the bank account and I paid the same. I had good salaries. I was a window-keeper. And I worked in the emergency services at night. That's where my beeper was. It's four hours. Pay four hours. So when you do three, four, five, week, in the week, plus your 40 hours, you get 20 bucks at that time. At that time, it was huge.

Starting point is 01:02:12 It was beautiful money. I never got tired of cooking. It was all the restaurants. At the end, when I left, they gave me as a gift, all the pamphlets that had been sent to me since the restaurant, they gave me that. So I was with my partner at that time, and at one point, when they told me, you have to leave the house now, and then we said, you can't come stay with us. I said, how can I not stay with you? Je suis comment? Je peux pas rester dévéné chez lui. Ben, elle dit, c'est un HLM, c'est...

Starting point is 01:02:47 Puis elle dit là, elle dit, si je mets, tu t'en viens ici. Tu fais trop d'argent. Je fais trop d'argent là. Pour me dar. Va te trouver un appartement. J'ai venu fou. J'ai venu fou. Comment va te trouver un appartement ici? Hey, je suis parti sur la gau, mon ami. Ça a pas été long. La même soirée ou le lendemain, I was going to find an apartment. I left my friend in Sago.

Starting point is 01:03:06 It wasn't long, the same evening or the next day. I was still at the police station. I was very drunk. I had gone to get some Xanax, some stuff. To get some ice cream, I went to get some powder. I got in my car and I was going so slowly that I was hanging up some cars in front of me. je vais aller chercher de la poudre, j'embarque dans mon char, puis j'allais tellement lentement que ça a rû que j'accrochais des char en en allant, puis là ils ramoussaient les pièces à terre eux autres, ils me suivaient jusqu'à temps que je me réarrête à quelque part

Starting point is 01:03:36 puis je rentre dans la maison, puis la police ont même chuté dans la maison, une police chaque bras puis ils vont ramener au poste de police, je m'en souviens même plus, mais I was in prison again. And then they put me back in the pen. I was there for two months to study my case. To know if they would let me out. They didn't let me out. And then I started to click, quietly. I started to click, quietly. And then I started to click, quietly. And then I started to click, quietly.

Starting point is 01:04:04 And then I started to click, quietly. And me out, but they didn't. And then I started to click, that me and the consumption, it doesn't work. It doesn't go together, but I wasn't gifted, because I started. Because now we're... You're not going to talk to me about four federal pens, you're going the 400th anniversary of the federal government, but you're only in the second year. No, the third. The third.

Starting point is 01:04:28 Oh, because it was a month. Okay, yeah. The third. So, in 2008, it was a bit... What year did we get into? I was in 1994. 1994, 1995, 1996, the crisis of the Red Law. You're outside. You're a couple of years out.

Starting point is 01:04:46 I'm out, but I didn't finish my contract, I'm in legal freedom. Okay. And I have 27 days left to do on my contract. And then I'm going to introduce myself in the Leclerc, but in all good character, plug.gy because I wanted to be good when I was in the house. We often explained the term pluggy, otherwise we were looking for it for those who don't know. You were loaded with substance to pass a good number. Yes, that's it. I didn't want to wait, it was always right away. When I got in, it wasn't long, ça faisait même pas 24 heures que j'étais là, j'avais la TV, j'avais de la cantine, j'avais tout, t'sais.

Starting point is 01:05:30 Un gars qui rentre pis qui a ça, ben... c'est du coteau, hein. Là aujourd'hui, il se plug même des blagues de tabac, c'est rendu malade, là. I'm sick of it. You're sick of phones, right? Yeah, phones. But it's okay. I'm not asking how they do it. It's mostly drones. I think phones come more by drone than by plug. If you're able to swallow or get choked by the other side of the phone,

Starting point is 01:06:03 you have all my respect. Oh yeah, that's it. It takes practice. It's better to have a phone. Yeah, that's it. I'm one of the smallest. So, where did you go?

Starting point is 01:06:20 So, you were represented, you were in legal freedom during the 90s. Yes, that's right. I presented myself to RDP, I was in the door, he said, what do you want? I'm in legal freedom, I want to finish my shift. He said, go and introduce yourself to the police. I said, I don't want to introduce myself to the police. I'm too tall. I'll sit down and even if you're ready, you'll open the door.

Starting point is 01:06:52 I sat down. I heard a buzz. There's no one here, it's for me. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I know you don't stay long when you're RDP, then you come from the pen. The next day, another one will come and see me. So I get to the club and that to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the

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Starting point is 01:07:36 I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the

Starting point is 01:07:44 I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the I was like, I'm going to the pis quand je suis ressorti, j'ai continué encore, j'ai pas fait encore le post-mortem sur ma consommation. Moi, c'est en 2008 quand je me suis fait arrêter à Montréal-Nord avec 12 vols qualifiés. He's looking for a guy who apologizes to all the girls. And every time I did a qualified, I knew I traumatized the girl. I said, excuse me, I don't want to hurt you. The only thing I want is money and go. And I'm sincerely sorry for doing that. Before we get into it, I'm just curious, during these years, you're back in the clear, 2008, your ex, your wife, your boyfriend... Yeah, that's it, but my boyfriend and my ex, we don't talk anymore.

Starting point is 01:08:40 Even today, we've been separated since 1996. When you left therapy and she told you you weren't coming to my HLM, it stopped there. I never came back. I never came back with her. And you didn't keep in touch with your guy? Yes. You were still... Well, I kept in touch. Probably, I kept in touch with my son.

Starting point is 01:09:04 When I was arrested in 2008, he was the one who emptied my apartment in Montreal. He kept my tools and my furniture. I imagined it. When I left in 2011, there was nothing left. The only thing left was a pair of boots he had was a pair of boots. At least, a pair of boots. All my tools, all my clothes, all my things had disappeared. I grabbed my guy with my hand and he said, You're not happy with the bag of your car. I said, I have the bag of my car.

Starting point is 01:09:40 I was getting to the side, and I was shaking. It was three and a half, and I was shaking. It was 3 and a half years ago, I hadn't smoked. I turned around in my car, and I said, I can't hit him, he's my guy. I went into my car, I was at the subway, and I said, give me a regular large cigarette lighter. So she gave me a regular large cigarette lighter, it was a pack of square cigarettes. So I said, it's not a regular large of Morillet, you know. She said, well, yes. She said, so how long have you not smoked? I said, three and a half. She said, the packs will change and then you're there.

Starting point is 01:10:09 So I get in my car, start trying to open it. I said, what is it? It's a pack of strong. With teeth and tried to break the box because it's red on the side. I'm so bad at cigarettes because I don't relate at all. Anyway, it's a... It's a scenario at that time. It's a cubic rubik's cube. So, finally, I take my first cigarette and the first puff. Oh la la la la. You know when you smoke a cigarette for the first time and you breathe the

Starting point is 01:10:49 can and you get out there. Pretty basic. So I said what the hell am I doing? I can't start smoking again. So I get to my tension and I tell him everything that happened to me. With my guy and I told him everything that happened to me with my guy and all that. And I have a pack of cigarettes and I play with the guy who is there, I give him the pack and lighter. I said, I'm not good for me. But I started quietly. I had already started from the first cigarette. But I'll bring you back to that story, and all that, the 12 qualified flights in 2008,

Starting point is 01:11:27 because you're still in consumption, so you're doing qualified flights. The thief who apologizes. As soon as I did the first qualified flight, I said to myself, whoever hits me for one or whoever hits me for a hundred, it won't change, I heard. With the angtas in the back, you get hit for that. It won't change, I heard. ou qui me pointe pour 100, ça changera pas à 100 ans. Avec des antécès d'Angleterre que tu te fasses pointer pour ça.

Starting point is 01:11:47 Ça changera pas à 100 ans. Fait que j'en faisais, j'en faisais, j'en faisais, puis même quand ils m'ont arrêté, il y en a que j'ai fait, pis qui étaient pas dans le lot. Pis là, j'étais dans mon avocat, j'ai dit, il en manque. Fait que là, ils disent, gants. Ils l'ont assez. I said, he's missing it. So there he said, they have enough. They have enough. And look, we're going to pay for those. And they closed the case.

Starting point is 01:12:14 So finally, 59 months they gave me. 59 months, 69 months, 5 years and 9 months. Plus I did 8 months in Bordeaux, where the count was double, but they didn't count. So, I was 69 months old from that day. And when I got out of the bullpen, after my sentence, I thanked God for that. I swear I won't do it again. I never did it again. I never did it again from that moment. So there was the story with your guy, you were still in the transition house, and it was from when you stop consuming? When I got caught in 2008. In 2008. That sentence we're talking about.

Starting point is 01:13:10 Yes, the last one. Did you consume during your... No, it's my brother. When I called them outside, he said, Christ, you're a coward. He said, tell me, if Christ consumes inside and doesn't consume outside, Christ is a jerk. Well, yes. It's really nasty. It's really nasty. But you know, you sell... Because inside it's so rare

Starting point is 01:13:32 and so expensive. Especially expensive. I don't have anyone outside with a dad and mom that I can call and say, I'll deposit 100 dollars to a hotel and I'll deposit 100 dollars to a hotel. There are some who do that. They put 100 dollars in one cell and 100 dollars in another. Some people do that, they have parents and it goes well in prison.

Starting point is 01:13:50 Some people are not doing well because sometimes they decide not to pay. And then you're in jail, so you think it's happening. When I was in Donacona, at one point I looked at the world that's passing by, and there are more people in protection than in the population. It's not going well. If people start protecting themselves, they'll lose their security because they have too much debt. Yeah, they won't be, to maybe understand what's going to happen, the last few blocks... Today, I'm talking about my job, I'm cooking, I have a house-cooking shop. I did some work, from the age of 12 or 13 when I was in Mont-Saint-Antoine.

Starting point is 01:14:46 There was a piece of wood with a V, and we stuck patterns with a potato on a wooden board. It was like stencils? Yes, we stuck them on the wooden table and cut them around and inside. We made nice Chinese lamps and things like that. I worked in wood, I made jewelry boxes, I did all sorts of things. I learned to get very young, to do things with nothing, a little money. I was a guy who... a very developed system D. I started playing Blue Banu with the same thing. I had a very developed system D.

Starting point is 01:15:35 And the queer, when I was in my last sentence, at the minimum, I was at the training center, it was a minimum. And then the stars, they mixed it up. It went to a minimum, medium level. They made a... I'm in a terrible situation right now. I can never go back in there. The only thing that could stop me today is having too many mistakes to come back. Because the police sometimes stop me. And they look at my file and say, Mr. Posey, you are so calm. I say, Mr. Posey, you're getting too old.

Starting point is 01:16:19 Mr. Posey, he's had enough of this crap in his life. Mr. Posey doesn't consume anymore. I don't consume anymore. I'm able to walk around. I learned to save. I have a rent. I've been in the same place for 8 years. I would never have gone through that before. I paid 850 pence rent for 10, 15 years. A 4.5 is 450. A roof.5 was 350, in my time.

Starting point is 01:16:45 Today, it's crazy, it's crazy, it's crazy. Even my landlord, he's not like that, he tried to put me out. And he tried to, because I have my room, where I work, my A.B., he said it was a shop, almost industrial, and it would go home, like at Walmart. shop uh uh uh uh uh

Starting point is 01:17:24 uh So that's it. So today I'm stable. As long as I've been irresponsible, and I know nothing about life, as long as today I can be responsible. But he counts where as soon as it happens, it's right away, and we don't call him anymore. I pay right away, we don't call him anymore. But before, he would never have put me a vest and drink and give the owner money. That's less money, you know. I didn't understand. I didn't understand. Today I understand. I'll ask you a question. I talked to you a little bit earlier and there may be people who listen to you and are cool with what you do, what you live today. There may be people who will ask the question because you have a necklace with a pendant, you have a super 81 shirt for people who don't know. The 8th letter of the alphabet is an H, the first is an A.

Starting point is 01:18:16 I don't think I need to go any further than that, otherwise I'll do some research. Can you ask the question why do you wear things like that? Because it's them who helped me, without wanting to, to become who I am today. Because even when I was in prison, I was in Chambault, at one point I was walking with someone and he said, André, we shouldn't be too often. They'll mark you as an affiliate. Because you were hanging out with guys. Yes, that's it. And then the screw heard it and said, it's been a long time since it's been done.

Starting point is 01:18:59 And I always, you know, it's people who are, even if they're bikers, they're guys, I respect them, they're straight guys, they're guys who do their thing. It's something I've said a lot here, and I'll repeat it, often career criminals are often protectors, they're good, you know, beyond crime. I mean, as a human being, they're often very good people, protectors, uh... Yeah, that's it. And you know, today, even if they stop me, you know, and they tell me, you dress the same? Yeah, and then? And then? You know, I don't have a problem with that. The only thing that could say, when they dressed me,

Starting point is 01:19:42 it was the screw that when I was in pain, I had to wear when I was in prison until 4am. Then I could wear my street clothes, which are beautiful. I don't care about that. There's never anyone who's going to tell me what to wear or not to wear. You were talking about the C?IT. You work at the C?IT, you make belts. You make a lot of articles for them, that's what you were saying. That's right. Because what happened to me is that in 2012 when I had my accident, I worked at the Chim in Montreal. I did the Chim, I did the Cusum, I did the Musée des Beaux Arts, the Place des Arts. What did you do? All the biggest buildings in Montreal. I'm a glassmaker.

Starting point is 01:20:21 In a glass, okay, that's just for... I knew you were a glass-maker, but... I'm a glass-maker. You were still in there. Me, my... all my appreciation of men was my job. Okay. When I worked on a building, and I saw the building going up and up and up, the pride in me was going up and up and up, because... And I worked in the care of the air the air, like the vacuum cleaners. I worked in there in the big wind, in the winter,

Starting point is 01:20:50 like in the summer. It was for me, my bread and butter. It's funny because when I was telling you, it was in the 80s, I was able to cut the winter. In prison? In prison. From that moment, I was in prison. From that moment on, I didn't know I was going to become a glassmaker.

Starting point is 01:21:11 From that moment on, I learned because they asked a guy who worked to make glass tables, tables, cubes, cubes that put flowers, grandfather's aralaches, which are all green. I worked in a company like that. So it allowed me to have these four skills, green cutting. And then when I worked in a small winery, which I call the small winery, I got there one morning and there was avait plein de sang dans la shop, avec des essuie-tout. Il y a un gars qui a voulu monter une table, un plate glass, sur le truck. Il a accroché la plate glass, la plate glass a fendu en deux, il a reçu sur le côté de la tête, ça lui a coupé à moitié de l'oreille. Fait que quand je suis rentré à la shop ce matin-là, he received it on the side of the head and cut it in half.

Starting point is 01:22:09 So when I went into the shop this morning, they told me to go to the installation. I don't have a card for the installation. They said we'll change that. So we changed my card to installer. Installer. And I never returned to the shop. I worked all the time. When I was jumping in, I saw the tower cranks. There was a tower crank not far away. I went to the tower crank, I put my helmet on, I went into the construction site, I went to the window shaker, I went upstairs, I went to the shack. Did I need a good guy to work? At the house of transition, they said, we're going to teach you how to find a job. I said, I'm not looking for a job, it's them looking for me. I never had to bend over. It's another pride that I've always been a rebel in the house of transition.

Starting point is 01:23:02 Like, you know, you won't do what you want with me. I'm capable of earning my life and I'm capable of earning money without you trying to show me that. So that's it. And today, the leather... You were talking about an accident in 2012. What? You were talking about an accident in 2012 after my accident.

Starting point is 01:23:23 Yeah, that's right. We were talking about your clothes. Yeah, that's right. I fell down on my CSST. At that time, it was the CSST. You have candy. I have a lot. It's full. I told you that for you. Because I tell you, when André eats candy, he takes medicine that really dries the mouth. So I take candy.

Starting point is 01:23:42 He put a lot of it on me. I was going to put some white candy on me. Even if he looks at it the medicine that takes candy. I'm not talking about the medicine that takes candy. Even if you look at it, you'll think, I had a white lip. I have a guy who is angry. No, it's because I take medicine and the medicine makes me... I have no saliva.

Starting point is 01:23:58 It doesn't give me saliva. I talk to him and the baboons stick to my teeth. I talk to him and the baboons stick to my teeth. So that's it. You had an accident on a construction site, I guess. I speak and the the the the the the the

Starting point is 01:24:19 the the the I came to remove two, and it hurt! I was unable to bend my back, and I was unable to walk. When you're young, you do arm exercises. But as I'm getting older, it's the same as when I was in my last sentence. In my last sentence, I did 2,500 row, and I was going down. And at one point, my knee came down pretty big. I went to see the doctor, and he asked me what I was doing. I said I was training.

Starting point is 01:24:55 He said, at your age, you shouldn't slow down. I said, my brain doesn't want to come back to the same shape as when I was young. It wouldn't come back. So, you know. Sometimes we learn in life. Sometimes it's hard. So after that accident, you had to stop. I stopped working. And when I was sharing in a meeting room, I cried so much that it was so painful.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Because I didn't know what I was going to do. And then, with what I knew, what I had learned at the time, to make belts for the Leviton, to do all sorts of things, I decided to make belts. Belt, wallet. I decided to make belts. Belts, wallets. And then a guy came to me with a certain belt. He said, André, are you able to make belts like that? Well, I said, I've never done it before, and I can try.

Starting point is 01:25:58 So I started with the first ones. And the more I did, the more I became good. It was a bit like the TV ad, you say, do you have your father, if he was 80 years old, who would make cakes? And you say, you're a monk, he makes cakes. They say, hey, he must be good. So I took the experience and all. I ordered a little bit everywhere. I'm a little proud. I'm proud of that.

Starting point is 01:26:31 That I sent belts in Switzerland, in Italy. That's it. Because there's what we were saying. The clothes you wear, there are guys who order you. You make a lot of belts. Yeah, that's it. You can wear one. you showed me earlier. So guys, they sell them to each other through the planet. It's happening, it's happening.

Starting point is 01:26:50 So you have customers everywhere. You don't just do that, I guess. No, I don't do that. I have guys who come to me sometimes like... ...the pipes for a carbine. Carbine straps. We're going to put all your information in the description. On your Facebook page, do you have some images of what you do?

Starting point is 01:27:12 I have a Facebook page. We'll put everything there. If you ever want to see André's work, maybe order something. What I'm asking for is dog collars. You do everything in C. Ah, okay. You do everything that's in the crate, you customize it completely. With the dog's name, the color. I do that in 3D. I cut the leather, I put metal letters, I put the color in the back, and the collar is the color you want, you know, and that's how it is. That's why you're re-sharing colors.

Starting point is 01:27:48 It's not about the organized crime, it's more about what the guys have represented for you and the help they've given you. Well, it's the same with friends, you know. I have friends in there, you know. But in the fact that you don't necessarily support the lifestyle, but you support the guys who are there and what they have done for you too. That's it. You know, I don't want the guys to do what they want. You're not in a position to judge anyone anyway. No, I'm not in a position to judge anyone. And you know, that they gave me a chance to not be afraid otherwise, you know, in what I do. I don't want to be in trouble. The best thing you'll tell me when you come to our house is that I have one of your belts.

Starting point is 01:28:33 I've had it for a long time and it's like a new one. Nobody has ever complained and nobody has ever come to see me. The quality you do. Yes, that's it. I do things, but I don't do shit. Since 2011, you haven't been put in prison. So you've been in prison for 13, 15, or even 14 years. When did you realize that consumption was completely out of your life?

Starting point is 01:29:06 Well, I was until 2014. I hadn't consumed in 2014. It had been maybe six years. 2014, when my saleswoman told me, she said, André, from today, no more reports, no more pee in the little pot, you're free. So there, it made a lock in my head, I'm free, I can do whatever I want. So there, I went to look for a beer beer without knowing what that beer was going to bring me. I wanted to consume, and I thought I was able to consume like a normal citizen, but no. It took four years until 2014. 2014, 2016. 2016. Jusqu'en 2016. J'ai... plus que ça.

Starting point is 01:30:16 2018 va prendre... non, va prendre sept ans, là. Sept ans d'abstinence le 29 avril. En tout cas, je me souvi to prison. No, no, no. So from tomorrow, I'll go back to the end of the meeting, go to a gang, where it's my family, actually. And from that moment on, I stopped consuming and it will be seven years soon. Congratulations. Well done. And today, there's nothing that will make me stop consuming. Bravo. Yeah. Pis aujourd'hui, y'a pas rien qui va me faire consommer.

Starting point is 01:31:05 En ta dernière sentence pis, mettons ce moment-là où tu as arrêté de consommer, ça a entraîné des thèmes. Est-ce qu'il y aurait eu des... est-ce qu'il y aurait eu des raisons de t'a remonter en prison? Depuis Châtie? Ouais. Non. Même avec ces années de consommation-là qu'il y a eu?

Starting point is 01:31:24 Non. T'es pas tombé aussi deep que t'avais été avant? Yeah. No. Even with those years of consumption that you had? No. You didn't fall as deep as you had been before? No, I put 15,000 dollars on my credit cards, sir. It took me three years to pay them. Because I have this little pig's head, I don't want to lose my name. If I'm going to have a 30,000-dollar chart... You finally built it. I'm going to have a 30,000-dollar chart.

Starting point is 01:31:43 I call the contractor, and the next day or the night after, he's going to call me and say, Mr. Posé, come sign up, come sign down, he's waiting for you. Do you understand? It's all in your honor, because for the background you have, the years of Pintasic, to have... I'm going to put my name up, and when I went out, in 2011, I had a bank account on the sixth Pumaçon, the fifth Pumaçon, a national bank. And I had a bank account number and I had a credit margin of 1000 dollars in that account, and I had spent it all. So when I got to Pointe-aux-Trembles, when I was shorting in 2011, I'ai dit j'ai un compte de la banque au coin de Rosemont puis à 5e avenue, puis je voudrais transférer ce compte-là ici, puis je veux payer ce que je dois. Il fait des recherches,

Starting point is 01:32:34 j'ai dit t'as pas de compte? Ben, c'est pas une niaiseux là, je veux dire j'avais un compte. Fait qu'il a fait des recherches plus poussées. Il dit effectivement, on a un compte à toi So he did more research. He said, actually, we have an account for you, which is at the National Bank in Toronto, and you owe us $1,400, $1,500. I offered him an offer, and he gave me a credit card, and I said, I'll come and pay you. But he said, you know, you could have opened a bank account elsewhere, and we wouldn't have known.

Starting point is 01:33:04 I said, you wouldn't have known, but I would have known. Because in my head, I need to be clean, you understand? To have regrets, remorse, and so on, to have peace. When I go to bed at night, I fall asleep like a baby. I don't turn around and say, I owe money, I owe here, I owe this, I owe nothing. I owe nothing. Even the thief who apologized to his victims, he still sleeps well in that, or sometimes it's...

Starting point is 01:33:35 Well, that, if I can't... I didn't kill anyone. No, no, no, no. My goal is not to put your nose in... No. I'm asking you because I thought you felt bad enough to do it to apologize. Yeah. But today,, but today you're saying there's nothing you can do, so you paid your debt. There's nothing I can do, but when I did a qualified flight, last year I was in Saint-Geron, and I got caught, and I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 01:34:12 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. you'll come back. Yeah, that's it. It might have been good for someone.

Starting point is 01:34:28 We don't know. But today, I don't hurt anyone. And there are a lot of people who, when they see me, they change the sidewalk. In Dutch, they have duels with them, those guys. And after they've talked for half an hour, they're like, fuck it, we'd think that. You know, today I'm really someone who is a citizen. I'm a citizen. Before, you were a citizen, you were, yeah, not a citizen, but well, but today I'm really a citizen.

Starting point is 01:35:00 I have a label that surrounds the country, I don't answer, you know, what's going on in my surroundings. I'm pretty smart that if I do something wrong, I'll pay it. Are you still creative about yourself today? No. No. No. I was a guy who was honest with myself first of all. Non, non, non. C'est un gars qui est honnête avec moi-même, premièrement. Puis si je sentirais que j'aurais des besoins, j'aurais, tu sais, des fois des pensées négatives au niveau de la consommation ou quoi que ce soit. J'suis entouré plein de membres, toutes mes amies qui sont autour de moi. C'est toutes des membres à là, puis à nous, c'est là des membres à la C.O. Puis ton fils? Mon fils, on est en une bonne relation. C'est sûr que je peux pas dire ce que j'ai jamais eu.

Starting point is 01:35:57 J'ai jamais été une personne qui a eu of love when I was young, you know. And sometimes I can be with someone, with a woman, and I'm like, you're pretty cool. I try not to be cool, but I'm like that, you know. That's a thing that's hard to learn when you've missed out on so much. But I try to, you know... When you haven't received it, it's hard to give up. Yeah, that's it. I've put a champ in the NA. Before, I was creative, you know, I could do a rug, I could take off, you know.

Starting point is 01:36:34 But now, you know, playing with a champ, I'm happy to see them. And no, I'm not creative at what I do. André, thank you for coming. Thank you for sharing your story. I will wish you thousands of good 24 hours to come. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you for sharing your story. Your vehicle, once again, a proof that it's never too late to not give up.

Starting point is 01:37:05 Never. You'll be 68 in December. So, in the early 60s, you decided to take up the challenge. There were better moments, there were tougher moments. Despite the prison, the pain, you were able to do it. It was long, but that's why. You can't give up. No, you were able to do it. It was a long time, but that's why you have to say, you can't let go of our world. You have to support it, and you have to...

Starting point is 01:37:30 You can't say you're too old, you're still alive. There are times when things are hard to get through, but if you're well surrounded, or if your surroundings don't find any help, there's always a place you can go. Today, there are organizations for everything. ou si ton entourage trouve pas d'aide là, il y a toujours une place que tu parles. Et aujourd'hui, il y a des organismes pour tout. J'ai envie de te poser une dernière question. Avec tout ce que tu as vécu dans ta vie, est-ce que mettre fin à tes jours a déjà été...

Starting point is 01:37:56 Ouf! Ah oui, souvent. Souvent. Ça, c'est une bêbête que j'ai combattu assez souvent. Même à l'âge de 14 ans, quand j'étais au Mont-Saint-Antoine, ils m'ont enfermé à l'hôpital à Louis-les-Péries. Ça l'est mon providence. Je rentrais là, puis je voyais des who were hitting each other in the face. I saw all these people who were really their place. I was thinking, what's the problem?

Starting point is 01:38:34 You're 14, you want to die because you don't know what life is. I got out of there and continued my journey, my business. It happened to me later in my life too, but today I would never dare to think about it. You're happy not to have done it with the life you had. Despite the life you had and with your life today, you were happy to have done it. It's just because it's a message for me that is important to spread. No matter what you go through, you think it's the only solution. Pallisan. Pallisan. A VT66 call, it's never...

Starting point is 01:39:18 A VT66 call, suicide, action... I can say something, a young person, anyone. I go to a meeting room, someone would tell me, I can get your number, I'll give it to you, call me, anytime. You're going to have a meeting, I'm going to look for you at your place. We're going to have a meeting, we'll spend an hour and a half, two hours together. I'm here for that. Bravo. Thank you, André.

Starting point is 01:39:46 Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you. I hope you all enjoyed the podcast. See you at the studio. You

Au Parloir - Épisode #72 - André Pauzé

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