Au Parloir - Épisode #77 - Connaisseur Ticaso

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

Dans cet épisode, on reçoit le fameux Connaisseur Ticaso, artiste et rappeur québécois depuis plusieurs années, ayant eu un parcours atypique dans la rue et a fait de la prison, il nous parle de sa vie SANS FILTRE! Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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You have access to everything related to podcasts, what is related to my career as a humorist. We are beginning to book dates for 2025. There is also the merch, the shirts at the parlour are available on my site. We have a collaboration with the QG workshop of Trois-Rivières. They have made a nice online shop. You order, they print, you send it to your home. I'm really sorry for my voice, I've been on a lot of roads and shows lately, I've lost my voice. Today, I'm very happy to have received KoneSar Ticazo. If you don't know KoneSar Ticazo, he's a Quebecois rapper who had a hit in 1999, who disappeared until 2019 from the music scene. He came back and won the hip-hop album of the year. He's a guy who has been a lot in the street world,

affiliations to gangs, he's been in prison. And me personally, being a fan of rap, including the Quebec rap, I'm personally a fan of what he does. But I also thought his story, his angle was super interesting. He's an interesting person to listen to. An angle that we didn't have in the podcast.

You'll understand by listening to it. Maybe not an episode for everyone, but it's an episode that I really enjoyed doing and I hope you'll enjoy listening to Again, I repeat myself, I don't necessarily endorse the gestures, the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I'm a person who takes the freedom of expression. I like frank people who speak with their hearts. Welcome to the Parloir.

Knows-it-all, in my studio, at the Podcasts, at the Parloir. First of all, big thanks to my chum. It's a pleasure, thanks for the invitation. Well, man, I'm a little bit out of it talking to you, and all when we talk. You had to work a little harder for you to come. First of all, personally, I told you before the cameras roll, big fan of your music. I'm a hip-hop fan, I'm a rap-keb fan. And you're for me on the top of the rap-keb since the end of the 90s. You disappeared from the hip-hop universe. You reappeared... What was the street called?

The street in Pelloncourt, it was in 2020. 2020. At the end of fall, 2020. You reappeared 20 years later. Album of the year, at 10, and then suddenly... And today, you didn't disappear for nothing. You lived in the shadows, you did what you had to do. It's going to be all by yourself. But before we get into all of this, let's start from the beginning.

Where do you come from? What kind of family? And we'll go on until today. I was born in the Honsic district. I was born in the district in the end of Henri Bourassa and Papineau. So, my family is an Haitian family that immigrated in the 70s. My family is still separated in two vibes. There's the very serious side, there's nothing more important than education, the right ways, talking, all that. Basically, the whole family is on that side. Except that I had a side of the family, guys a little tough, players, you know, guys who are respectful, but precisely if they are not respected, the reaction will

come quickly. So I was very balanced in the family universe. I didn't have too much history, I never missed anything from home, even if we weren't rich. But when you're young, you see that you have everything you need. Not bad, you know, I never missed anything from home, even if we weren't rich. But when you're young, you see that you need everything. I never missed food at home. My mother worked and studied. My parents got divorced, but my father was in my life. My grandfather was present.

So that's pretty much the family portrait. Because when you're young, you don't realize it. Because when you're a kid, you have a bicycle, you have food, you have a roof, you have a bed. You don't need anything else. You don't realize it. And even I could still, I had the side, everything I had essential, my mother gave me. And still, when I needed extras, like a pair of shoes, a bicycle, those things, that's my father. He was someone with extras. So I understand, I had a very good childhood. And after that, at 8 years old, I moved to the P9 district.

But except that since then, in the Homesick district, I was already a little bit of a talent. I was the guy who was going to stick to those other talents. Like me, I didn't have much. I was already going to of a talent. I was the guy who was going to stick to other talents. I didn't have many. I was already going to steal toys from the stores. Since that age, you see, all alone. I was going alone.

So after that, at 8 years old, I moved to the P9 district. Because my aunt, the family, we were the closest to the family. My aunt, I had cousins, my cousins. They bought a duplex on Avenue 24. So, as my mother studied and went to school, she often wasn't going to be there. I had cousins, and they bought a duplex on 24th Avenue. So, as my mother was studying and she was going to school, she wasn't going to be there. So, I would often be at my aunt's house, who decided to rest in peace. She was taking care of mentally handicapped people.

So, they lived upstairs, she lived downstairs, and she gave care to those people. That means she was always at home. So my mother moved just in a block of flats, just opposite the 48th and 49th. So when she wasn't there, you were sent away. That's right, I was very close. Brother and sister? Yes, brother and sister. I have two little sisters on my mother's side, because they remarried afterwards.

And on my brother's side, I have six brothers and sisters. On your father's side? Yes, on my father's side. My father six brothers and sisters. On your father's side? Yes, on my father's side. Okay, so your father is a player. I was about to say, your father is a player. No, he's a player. All different women, but he's there for all his children. He's present in the life of all his children.

It takes away a stereotype. Stereotype, that's it. My goal is not to put it in, but we often hear, I know a lot of humorists here, the stereotype of the father's own son is not's not that your father has respect for that. Exactly, it's not the case. My father was present with all his children. Was he still with us? Oh yes, he was still with us. He was always present. It's true that you were, because you're all grown up now.

I think of my youth, that's it. He was always present with all his children. So that's it. So after that, in the Pininauf district, that's where I lived my childhood. And that's where my crime developed, let's say. Well, it's a warmer district too, Pinauf, let's say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like my body there, when you're young, I grew up there, I didn't realize it. And further in the story, you'll see what happened, especially during the video of Olage, because it became my enemy district after that, after a while. Except it was my childhood district.

You know, on one side I have my childhood memories when I go there, and on the other side I have a side of, hey, I'm in a sector that I'm not supposed to be. That's what I experienced when I shot the video of the large. Okay, I can't wait to get there. But that's because I have... Sometimes I go left, I go right, because that's it, there's a tecle. I don't know if it's that one, the names, the titles,

I'm mixing, but that's it, you're shooting a clip where what we really see you in... In all sectors. I found it interesting. You look a little bit like, with the music, we'll come back to the beginning, but with the music, you look like a guy who's quite a gatherer.

I have the impression that you're the kind of guy who would like Montreal to be just Montreal. Oh, yes, that's for sure. Because I don't want to... First of all, I'm a black person, I like my community. And I think my community has a lot of strength. And we have our weaknesses, but if we could put our strengths together, we could achieve everything we wanted as a strong nation that stands up and that progresses.

It happens anyway. But it's something of me that's an ideal. The beef came that... OK, we have beef with guys, but it wasn't something I wanted, me being a gangster and being able to have enemies and all that. We'll come back to that, because it's all really a medium that we haven't touched much,

and I find that interesting. But you were telling me that the enemy district means that you lived a part of your childhood, or is that what you're saying? I lived my childhood there, I moved there at 8 years old, and I left at 12. And at 12, I moved to Montréal-Nord. So I moved to Montréal-Nord. Okay, so I moved to Montréal-Nord. If we go, let's say, from the middle, from the gangs, it's really two opposite neighborhoods.

Yeah, that's it, opposite, you get it? And at 12, it's pretty... At that age, there was nothing like that. No, but you know, at 12 you start as a teenager, and it's often there that you're going to start to forge a reputation, but also your canvas, you know, your mentality and everything will start to to build up at that age. Exactly. But the Gang Shit, Street Shit, wasn't there yet at 12 years old, let's say 12 years old, you know, in the neighborhood there were battles.

You know, there are a lot of little fights, you don't even know why. You fight with a guy, you fight, and two days later you meet him again. It's like, you know, it's over, nothing happened, but he was your enemy for two or three days. Because you're still a guy's over, nothing happened. But it was your enemy for two or three days. You're a guy who's still quite tall, quite tall. When I was little, I had a growth that was still late. I was in secondary school, two to three, I made a big boom. A big boom.

But when I was young, I wasn't the smallest, but I wasn't bigger than that. Were you a fighter type or... Yeah, because I was like in my... I can't be fooled. So my reflex is like... I'll explain, the first time it happened, I was with my grandfather. I had maybe four...

Let's say I was there, I was there with the little biscuits that make you the wheel next to it. Okay, okay, you're young now. Yeah, that's it. And then I was with my grandfather. And then I was at the park playing. And then while I was playing at the park, I don't know what happened, but there was a guy who hit me, he punched me.

And then I ran to my grandfather. And my grandfather, when I ran to him, he got angry. He said, hey, go back there, go get him. So then I went back and I went to kick his ass. So already at that age, I understood that... If you get hit, you give up. Don't come here, I'm going there. You understand? So since then, at since then, I've learned that.

So that's why after that, it was just normal. As I remember, I was with guys when I just got to this school. Because when I was in the Pinneuf neighborhood, I went to school in Hoshlaga-Maison-Neuve. There was a school bus that made the way to there. And my mother enrolled me there because there they learned English since the first year. Here, the others, it was the fifth, sixth year. At my time too, learning English there since the first year. The others were in the fifth or sixth year.

At my time too, I think it was the fourth year. We were about the same age. It's the only school, it's one of the reasons why she wanted to send me there. When the bus stopped, I remember, I was new, it was not until I was there, but I started hanging out with guys, it was like the little guys, the school. So one year, he asked me, if you want to keep fighting with us, you have to fight with my brother. But his brother was younger than him, he was my age, but he was a kid.

But I can't say no. But I was looking, I wasn't trying, but I fought. I fought, but when the school boss arrived, he was winning the fight. So I'm ashamed. So when the school boss arrives, I'm ashamed. So I don't take the boss, I go home.

So I go home, my mom came to take me to school. After the end of the school day, when we take the boss, the guys are talking to me in the boss. You're gone, you're gone. They're talking to me. So while we were going down, they were all behind me talking to me. I just got up, I turned around, I punched a guy, they were all down, I ran after them, I was hidden, I was in my window, I peed them.

The next day, it was like... You understand, it wasn't... You were settled. They know you're capable. Exactly. They wanted you to find yourself and you did it. Exactly. So the feeling of being peed on, I was like, no. I prefer you to say I'm crazy, that you did it. Exactly. So, I don't like the feeling of being told off. It doesn't work.

I prefer you to say, I'm crazy, and you laugh at me. Until now, it's the same thing. If I think someone takes me for a jerk, I'd rather it ended up being what they say, he's crazy, that guy, than I'm not sure if he's joking. I'm already like, what? Even today, you're... I imagine you'll have a have a more positive reflection.

No, I'm not going to say I'm crazy, I'm not going to say I'm going to hit him, but I snap. If I'm not sure, I prefer that. Because I grew up with bad guys, we're bad guys, we know how to be bad guys. So as soon as I feel that I'm not sure, bro, it's like, if it's not that, I'm like, okay. I'm going to apologize afterwards. But that's my side, I've always been like that. That's why in the street, even if I wasn't pushed by that, I can't back down.

And also the loyalty side, I had my friends, all that. When it happened, it's not the time to say, oh, I'm not interested in that. No, you're there and you get into the dance. And that's it. It's not your beef, but it's your boy. Exactly. You have to... So when you get to Montréal-Nord?

When I arrive in Montréal-Nord, the thing that happens is that when I finish my primer, I still have good notes. You know, I'm smart and I have good notes, you know what I mean? Just via your lyrics, you didn't even justify your intelligence. I'll make a parenthesis. If you don't know, you know it's a small case. Even if you're not a hip-hop fan, take the time to listen to an album at least once.

Forget the beat, just for the lyrics. Have you ever thought about it? It's a question I wanted to ask you, because I think that your lyrics are so good, for people who don't like rap, but I consider that your lyrics should be heard. Have you ever thought about writing your lyrics? Oh, yes, I do. You have to do that, because there are people who don't like it. Do you already have it? Write your own lyrics, write a collection.

You have to do that. Because there are people who don't like it. I respect, I like the rap, I don't listen to music styles because I don't like it. I don't listen to country, there are certainly beautiful lyrics. But I find that you have lyrics that are very straight, but that are so intelligent, so sensed. And what I find interesting is that you don't make propaganda. It's your reality. And what you've lived, what you live. And that's what I have a lot of respect for what you do.

And I really think that with your texts, we deserve to be read, if it's not heard. I'm happy to hear it. It's a book I buy. That's for sure. So that's it. I had good grades, but I was a nerd. The teachers spoke to my mother and said,

your son, if you don't pay attention, you risk losing him. They saw the tendencies of a little crime, and they saw that there was potential, she looked smart. Because I've always been good to look like a nice guy when it's time. I could talk like that, and then they see me and think that it's the others who influence me.

But it's not the others who influence me. You're your own influence. You understand? If you're flat and you don't want to make the bad moves we make, we'll support each other. I'm not going to stick with you. So because they said that, my mother called my father and they said that, they talked about it. They decided to get together to send me to private school. So in high school, I went to Mont-Saint-Louis. When I was in Montréal Nord, when I was in the 6th year, after high school,

I went to Mont-Saint-Louis private school. So I spent only one year there because they almost sent me back before the end of the year, but they managed to keep me. But in the end, I had to do my math classes again. My mom came to see me and said, OK, he's going to do his math classes this summer. They said, yeah, we're not going to accept your son, ma'am. So, I was really happy, honestly. I didn't want to stay at that school. I didn't like the school. It wasn't your... Was it seven schools or didn't you like the school in general or seven schools in particular? No, seven schools.

OK, OK, OK. I didn No, seven schools. Okay, okay. I didn't like the vibe. There were teachers I felt were racist. It seemed like the way they reacted to me. I had cool friends, I had two black friends in school. But I found the gang of cool guys from my basketball team. Those guys were chill. I didn't feel any racism through them, but I was sure it the guys in my basketball team, you know, those guys were chill, you know, and I felt no racism through them,

but it's for sure that it was more teachers sometimes, you could feel it, and I just didn't like the vibe of school, so when they didn't want to accept me, I was happy, more than anything else. And then I went to Henri Bourassa, my mom, or to Caliq Sal la Vallée. My mom said, forget it, it won't happen. So what they did was, I have a tent that lived,

the tent that lived in Pineuf before, they moved to Saint-Lô-Nord. They bought a house there. So what they did was that I lived in Saint-Lô-Nord, because the compromise they made was Saint-Ex. It was less pure than the other schools. So that's where the connection of Saint-Lô-Nord came from. So I did my high school in Saint-Ex, in Saint-Lô-Nord.

Did you finish it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I finished it. It's important... Oh, in my family, no. Not finishing secondary, it doesn't go at all. No, that's right. No, no, no, I forget that. No. And did you have a good time?

Yeah, yeah. I was the kind of guy that... I can remember all my secondaries. Sometimes I studied. It happened twice. For me, studying was like 5 minutes before the exam. You go to the bathroom and you check some things. It saves you 5 or 6 answers. After that, I use my cushion to try to...

When it was choice of answers, forget it. I'm paying for it because you see important people, there are two wrong answers. It's like the other two, sometimes you do the math backwards. I did exams at the 30th grade. Flip coin. I thought, it must be this one. But I was still struggling.

I was in high school. My average was 70-100. Without studying. I had no problems. It was easy. Especially because I saw the difference between private and secondary school. In secondary school, I found math difficult. You know, it was difficult.

But when I went to high school in Saint-Ex, I didn't feel any difficulty until I got to secondary school. In secondary school, the 2 and 3 were so easy. I found that the private high school was more difficult than high school. And the level of talent, if we can say that, the level of gangs, the level of crime, in high school, did you know that? That's where it started. Because in high school, I really people who were just like me.

You know, guys who are... other thugs, you know. So the guys started to force themselves. So our main focus was for basketball, and girls, and bad shots, auto theft, thugs. We were already thugs in high school, all that. But it was more bad shots because you get bored, you don't care. I mean, you didn't steal a car to sell them in a pawnshop. No, that's it. That's it.

You know, draw-ride, things like that. You know, party, and then do little deals, little things. But there, the violence of gain started, I would say, secondary 3, at 15. Like the first incident that happened, it started for a thug for a girl. You know? So there, I have a friend who got stabbed for a girl. So that's when it started, the gang lifestyle, having beef with others. Because before that, if there was something nice, you get a little hook, you get into a fight,

it ends up in a fight. Small battles before that. But from there, that's the first level. That's really a knife battle, like my friend did with Poilard. And then after that, we made peace with them, because we were in much more hardcore bivvies than like a year later. That's when it started to go up. Like 15 years ago, you're already starting...

And there's one thing you told me, and I wanted to mention it too, you've always been a close guy, you've always been with gang guys, you've never been a regular member of a gang. No, that's right. You had affiliations. Because we were a group of friends. And at that time, in the early 90s, it wasn't like there were groups, like there were...

At that time, there were the guys from Beau, in North Montreal. There were the guys from Sidi Pi, there were the guys from BBS. There were the guys from Bad Boy, who started all these gangs. There were the Black Panthers, you know. But we were a bunch of friends, so we had a name too. So in the past, it was gang, but it was more friends who gave each other a name. You understand? So in that time, around 15 to 16 years old, we were in a party in Pierfond. And we had all the same coats that the mother of Aped, Rest in Peace, one of my friends

we lost, her mother was a seamstress and she made us coats, long coats, still of the king, three quarters, hats with fur. The coats were terrible, those dogs, I-4, with hats, with fur. The coats were terrible. Those dogs, I don't have any photos of those coats. You'll make them do it again by someone. Just historically, because the world of Montreal, etc., they remember. We were 15, we had the same coat. We were the youngest in the parties.

When we went to the parties, the older blockheads, even the older ones, they found us cool because we were the 15-16-year-old, who come there and fight, who check girls. We didn't have to be there. So since we were 15-16 years old, we had a little rap in Montreal. We were the guys from Cracker Jack. You got your respect. Cracker Jack is the name of our little clique. C-Jack.

You understand? C-Jack. Ah, well, okay. Yes, that's it. You see that there was no Blood yet in the time, because our name started with a C. You see, in the time of Blood, you wouldn't have taken another clique that starts with a C. You see there wasn't Blood yet because our name started with a C. You see, in Blood's time, you wouldn't have taken another name that starts with a C. You see?

I didn't know, I'm learning something. C-Jax, a name I know, but I didn't know it was related, it was like a foundation. So our real name was C-Jax, and we had the guys from Dope Squad. That was like our big family. So it's C-Jax from Dope Squad. That was like our big family. So it was C-Jack, Dope Squad. So when the gang was coming, we started with guys from CDP. We were in a party in Pierfond.

We all had the same coat. And there was a guy older than us who said something insulting about one of our guys. One of us heard him. He said, who are these guys? And my partner said, C-Jack guys? I don't think it's something like that. My partner answered, C Jack. And then there was tension.

These guys were older. That's why we didn't just jump on it. Because we're like 15-16 and these guys were about 19. 18. Two or three years at that time, it seems. At 16, you start to be a man. At 19, you're... That's a lot.

So, you know, like we were like 5 or 6, they were 2. So, the whole party started shifting and everyone was moving away from them. The two were like all alone in their corner at one point, so they just left. Then, after a while, as usual, we left too. But when we left, we heard that they came back, they were armed and they were looking for us. And then there was still people in the party and they said, oh guys, blah blah blah. And then they heard noise and then they pulled, they they said, Oh guys, blah blah blah blah, and then they pulled, and they said, But we weren't there anymore.

Okay. I just realize when you say, CDP, which is the other gang, crack down pussy. Crack down pussy. Pussy, yeah, yeah, I admit. The U and the O make a good difference, crack down pussy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, you see? So, you know, it's more old-fashioned. So, the thing is, they turned around, and it seems they were looking for us,

and they pulled. But the thing is, we are the guys from C-Jack, we are 15-16, and the guys from Dobsquad, they are like 17, 18, 19. They are part of our group, but we are younger, and it's us who were there. So after that, when the others hear that, it's like, OK, there's a problem. And then, where it escalated, it's after that, at Saint-Michel subway station, one of my friends, the guys got attacked by a machete. So there, it really started officially.

We have official beef with gang guys. So that was like at 16. War, in parentheses, when one crosses the other. Yes, yes, yes. The result is like, it's like right away, if these guys, it happens, as soon as there is something that we cross, yes. The result is like... It's like, right away, if these guys... It happens as soon as something crosses our minds, or whatever. It can go far, we're not talking about Coupon Sayon necessarily. No, no, no. At that time, it was Machette.

Machette and Couteau were still very present. And the appearance of guns was starting too. You know, there was a period, it's like everything changed quickly in like a year. A year ago we were just knives, and all of a sudden 12. And then all of a sudden... The weapons of the point arrived in the street. You understand? Exactly, in about two years it shifted quickly.

But the first really popular gun was a 12-cut. 12-cut is classic. They were classic 12-cut. And sometimes... Some people walked with carbines, sometimes. Yeah, there were some. guns. Sometimes, too much. It was a lot of fun. Guns, but especially the trigger and your body.

Very present. It's a classic from the 90s. We heard it in the songs, but it was a classic to hear a whistle. It was a lot of talk. But was there, besides the fact that you're a gang and there's beef with other people, but was there any business going on? No, at the time, there was nothing that had to do with money. The little things we started doing to make money had nothing to do with conflicts with other people.

Because you know, we started making little fights. No, but that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the beefs are not related to business, but you are among yourselves. No, not yet. There is no business that is still going. It's just a gang of chums. We steal a lot, we make deals, but not business like selling drugs or all that.

It's more towards 17, 18, there is a couple of guys who started to enter seriously. Either they were selling the other, then there are others who started to make fraud around 19, and the coke, at a high level, came a little bit in that corner, in the 20s. But at 16, it was just small deals, whatever, stealing things that had computers to go sell them. And we had a jewelry dealer that every time we had something of value, he would buy it for us. A jeweler, a guy who bought a little bit of anything in the back of the shop. That's it. The world of Sarah knew exactly what I was talking about.

We're not going to... No, no, no, no. You understand. So as soon as you had something, he bought everything. You didn't even want to go see him before. You knew that if you did that, we would go see him after. I was a guy from Longueuil, and we had a guy from Punch-Up in Longueuil. We would go into the salons, the CD tours, and no matter the CD, it was a CD piece. Yeah, I was more into electronic stuff. Yeah, but we were... I'm talking about the 14, 15 of the CDs. We would go to Punch-Up with bags full of CDs, and without CDs, we had a brown one. We were like in hell. But that's it.

And I know that you were more of a guy of fighting. Yeah, I'm a guy of fighting. How did that come about? Was it because you weren't interested in dope? Well, probably at that time, the dope wasn't really there yet. The sale of dope was like... The guy who was early in my clique, there was a guy who was the first to sell weed at 16, 17.

But at that time, in the 90s, it wasn't common, the buzz that everyone has. No, no, no, that's it. But it's just that I never... I've always liked... The brawl, it always attracted me. So my first brawl I did, was just a backhand that we held. In any case.

Yeah, you didn't have to be detailed. Because the anecdote is funny. But it's not a head shot, but it's something I studied. I was like, yeah, the guy is too chill, man. There's a way I did it that was super smart. I was 15 or 16 when I did it. And I had a full gun. It was a replica.

But it was fucking beautiful. A very beautiful replica. So that's it. I was the first. And that's why I did a lot of it. You know, contacts here, deposits, people who are going to bring business to the bank. You mean at the end of the store shift? Exactly. It happened that it was insiders. Girls, girls all the time.

Who gave the insider. The manager, he goes and he passes the money. Who gives his salary. Exactly. I ask you a question, and my goal is not to put these kinds of questions on the spotlight. I often ask these kinds of questions to my guests. But today, when you think about it, do you think about the manager who was a kid who was in a store for 19 or 20 years and who got beaten up?

We agree that he lived with that. It's a question of the past. Because I was very young too. No, but today when you think about it, you're like, I understand that in my life. I understand that. My goal is not to put you in the spotlight, but today when you think about it, you're like, I understand that in my life, I understand that,

and my goal is not to put you in a situation, but do you sometimes think about these victims, or like, it's the past, it's done? Well, honestly, with what I did, I know I didn't brutalize anyone. I didn't brutalize anyone. So, did someone get a shock signal? I don't think when it happened, yeah, maybe I had an incidentize anyone. So, did anyone get a shock? I don't think so.

Yeah, maybe I had an incident. When I got in, yes. There was... Yeah, maybe. Yes, that, yes. Now I just thought about... Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yes.

I regretted that right after. I even regretted it during. Because I saw people who were stressed. So I didn't like that. A kind of reality check, right in your face. That's it. I can say that once, it happened that I didn't have much of a feeling. But the others... I was young, man.

No, I understand. It's not about putting yourself in the spotlight. I think about it while you ask me. I realized that through the podcast of someone who told me something No, no, no, I understand. And it's not about putting yourself in the spot. No, I think about it while you ask me. You know, because last year, I realized that through the podcast of someone who told me something last year, and who made me realize that, you know, I was talking about a fighter thing with a guy that I didn't beat because his son was in his car, you know,

and he said, yeah, but if his son wasn't there, you would have done it. And when he would be back home, his guy would have seen him the same, you know, everything was broken. That's when I realized, I was like, oh, okay, and it gives you a little check to say, oh, Christ. But why also? It's not really happened often that I've had to deal with citizens. So it's like, yes.

I'm the guy that people in the comments, he doesn't regret, he talks like he doesn't care. I'm used to it. I'm not lying because it's very easy to answer the sentences the way people want to hear them. And listen, I can allow myself, because you were super in the mood, and Manu, when I invited you back, you told me, you know, my story with Paris, and you told me, there's one thing you told me, and we'll talk about it again, you told me, if it wasn't for my age, my file, I would probably still live that life. And you tell me, I'm not sure. But on the contrary, I find it interesting. And precisely, the fact that you're real,

that you tell me that, that's what I did. It's a life you had, it's a life you appreciated. And it's very correct. I had moments in my life where I wasn't always cool. And I was very happy with what I was doing. But the reason why I didn't want to come at the beginning is because, as I said, I'm a fan of your show.

And I listen to most of the guests who came who really have heavy stories. You understand, guys who made big prison times. Like me, my prison time was a little vacation. I was at my father's, I was at my minimum. You understand? That's why I was telling you, I listen to the guys' stories. Because when you...

Even I knew people who made a lot of time in prison. So, coming to a show that was based a lot on prison, I was like, my prison story is not a story. Like I was telling you earlier, I received Etienne Boullé, who didn't do prison and prison, but he has his own path. So, it's the people's path that I find interesting. And precisely, we had big green spots of people who were abused in childhood. But that's not all we found in our prisons.

That's not all we found in our prisons. That's not all. And you know, I also want to make it a little clearer. Being a hip-hop fan, you know, and sometimes the patch that's put on hip-hop, I put rap street, gangster rap, a little bit, you know, but sometimes I do, wait, but talk to someone who has made you have the mentality of what that person has experienced and of your vision.

So that's why I find it super interesting to have you. And from what moment on, you say the robberies and all that, we won't get into the details of what you did. But you said you didn't do much with the citizens, you were more of a guy, you're going to do... You know, the house is empty, there's a trunk, we're going to try to find a guy to do it. You know, things like that, you understand that. I did a lot of it during a period. And then when I got caught, I went back in. The first time I got caught, I had a sprain.

OK, so you weren't... I'm talking about Loris Cavaliere, as I said to the other one. Loris Cavaliere is the lawyer for Risuto. You know, he's a big lawyer, but he's not a lawyer anymore because of the history of... that was involved with the mafia. But that's it, the first fight I had a 24. 24, roughly. And that's... When was the year again?

We went past... we went past Corner. Yes, we went past Corner. I'm saying this for people who don't know. That's what I wanted to come to. It's music too. I'm going to come back to your first case. But music is a trap in your life because you were known... 1999, the video clip, the tour on the corner,

the world that my generation knows on the corner, it went crazy with music. How did that come about in your life, music? Was it a escape? Not even, it really came by chance. First of all, I always loved rap since I was young. Sometimes what I could do was to be a stylist in English, sometimes I could write in my classes. When I was running around, I wrote rhymes in English.

So how did it happen? It really happened by chance because one of my friends, he had fallen on a machine. Someone owed him money, he went to his place. And then there was a machine that made beats. And that guy always liked music and he would have wanted to be smooth. So this machine, he started making beats. So that's in the beginning of the explosion of rap in 97. He started to see the RDP users without pressure. He had just started to arrive. There was a guy who was here, he took him to the pit, he went to the pit.

Before, you understand, but at that time, we didn't calculate that at all. But it's really with RDP user and all that. I think it's like Doppmatic, yes, Doppmatic played on TV. There, it's like something happened, like, okay, what can we do with rap here? And in underground radio, I heard the world, so there's the fact that my friend started making beats. And there's the fact that I heard on the radio, on the radio underground, guys rapping, I was laughing, I was like, where do these guys come from?

We don't see them outside, man. What are they talking about? What are they telling? I was going to really tell, to show a real street guy when he raps. It came all of a sudden, even my name, I had never thought about it, to sit down, I wanted to be a rapper. I'm not a guy who likes spotlight.

It's contradictory, a rapper, you know. But it really came just to say that I didn't want spotlight when I was working with Montreal Realities so that I could go out in the corner. It's them who had to convince me to make my video, because I didn't want to. The proof is that you won Felix Alba in the year, and you weren't there. That's why I had to do the sanitary pass.

Ah, the sanitary pass. Yeah, that's it. I didn't go. So you understand, it just fell like that. All of a sudden I got on a boat, I'm a rapper, I made a track, everyone liked it. The first track was the lifestyle. I released that. After that, I released another one. And then I was in it. And then rap came in at that time.

But at that time, I didn't want to release a video. For example, it was in 2009. My friend died in a car accident in 1998. So at that time, we were really at war. He was dead. He was shot in Ottawa. While he was in Ottawa. So you're already at the end of your adolescence.

And there are already people who So you're already at the end of your adolescence, and there are already people who... You're already losing relatives by gunfire, by gunfire. Yeah, and the year before, another of my friends got shot. It was in the city center, at the Burger King. And in those years, it was really... In the city center, when it was going down, 85% of the time, we were involved.

We liked to club. Because there are guys from the gang, they% of the time we were involved. Because we were... We liked to club. Because there are guys from gangs, they were guys who stayed in their block. In the corner, yeah, that's it. We were the chillers. On their corner. That's why when I rapped, I wanted to put the word chillers in front of it. Because I wanted to show, yeah, I'm street, but we're chill guys, we go out, we club too. Because your name on Instagram is Original Chiller.

You understand? And I also wanted to detach myself from the cliché that they had of the street guy, on club aussi. Mais parce que ton nom sur Instagram, c'est Original Chilla. Tu comprends? Puis je voulais aussi me détacher du cliché qu'ils avaient du street guy, il est fâché puis il est mean. Parce que nous, on est les gars, on va faire des blagues, mais si ça pète, on va embarquer, mais on n'est pas le cliché. Nous, on est des blagues. Dans le coin, les yeux à regarder tout le monde. Mais dans le club, on est peut-être même.

Mais entre nous, quand tu chilles avec nous quelque part, tu vas jamais penser que c'est pas des dangereux ces gars-là are dangerous. They're jokers. If you take your parents with you, they'll never believe that we're in all this. There are a lot of people who are like, huh? Oh yeah, all this. Because we don't give that impression. We're not the guys who consider themselves essential. You feel it right away. But we're very sociable.

The street corner pitbull that checks its corner. Exactly. I make jokes with that. I say, these guys, in the end, they're just guys who need love and affection. There are guys who are in the street because they have inner frustrations. They live difficult lives,

and it's not their fault. They've lived through violence since they were young. They have a rage between them. That's why they often regret it when they find love, their path and their place. I didn't grow up with the same world. I grew up with a world where we know how to play in all spheres. We go to school, we study, but then we're strapped in the club and we're in the club. But I have friends who go to Egypt while we were doing all this. For the audience who don't understand slang, when you're strapped, it means you're armed.

So you're in the club and armed. We were always in the clubs. Always in the clubs, and at the end of the evening, if we don't meet enemies, we're almost at a loss. We had to fight before the evening ended. Otherwise, it's like the evening is flat. I was going to ask you this question. Do you go out armed by protection or do you go out armed because I'm armed? You understand? I'm not going to lie to you.

At the beginning, we go out armed because we went out armed. Because you have them and you feel confident about it. Because it's... But like I said, it started around 15, it was like, we went out armed in case. But that's when, after, the death penalty, it was a different mentality. We went out armed because we were at war. We were at war. You see? So we weren't going out to have fun.

We were going out to hunt. You know, like our friend is dead. So... So at that time, there were a lot of things... We took one, we're going to take one. That's a bit of the mentality... Welcome to the worst moments in history. A podcast recommended by Acaste,

where I retrace the worstire du pire du passé. Qui aurait cru qu'il y avait de l'argent à faire avec ça? Certainement mes proches. Voilà. Qui était là. Voilà. Puis comme tu dis, s'il y a pas d'ennemis, ben, une fin de soirée ou ce que ça se tape pas là. C'est comme le gars qui marche trop à côté de nous qui est bizarre.

Il y a quelqu'un qui va dire, si quoi tu fais, pourquoi tu passes là, c'est quoi ton problème. It's like the guy who walks too close to us, who's weird. There's someone who's going to say, if you do this, why are you passing by? What's your problem? If he reacts correctly, he's correct, but if he waw-waw-waw, well, it's you who's eating shots of cheese, and at the end we laugh, and we went to the Burger King and we chill. It sounds very ignorant. It's very ignorant, but... But it's good to have the mentality of what's going on. At the same time, it's... What else the mentality of what's going on at the same time.

What else did you have to do? Otherwise, what are you? You're in your neighborhood, you're on the corner of the street, what are you doing? You're doing nothing. It's true. It's true. It's true that... But I'm going to say something, I'm not going to lie to you. Because we still had a framework that we knew was expecting things from us. So it's not like the focus of what we're supposed to do, we don't know what exists, to go to school, to go to work at some point, to have a job.

But it's just that at some point, when you're in the It was really like we said earlier, you took one of us. So that's it. And then when you're that, we're not going to stop going out. We're not going to hide. It's for sure that at some point, maybe we were going out a little less. Too much. Like guys were hitting on me, like I was going out alone. The guys told me, hey, you're crazy.

I never stopped going out. I always got hit on for that. I went everywhere. With your boys. Yeah, with my boys sometimes they tell me, hey, you're crazy, man, you play with fire. I don't care. It cost me so much my life. I kept going to the barbershop in the P9 neighborhood.

But as I explained at the beginning, it took some time before I accepted this neighborhood. I can't go anymore because I lived my childhood there. So even from the beginning when it started to get hot, I still went down. Even now I think about it, I don't even understand what I did. I kept going to the barbershop in the P9uf district, at Rayul's. Everyone knows Rayul. You know?

That's when Rayul was still doing his hair at his place. And then something happened that I almost got caught. And it's like an guardian angel who saved me, because I was in a alley, and until the guys were going... There's a car that's opened its doors, but it was in the opposite direction of the street, parked, it wasn't even in the right direction.

Okay. Then the guys, the lights direction of the street. It wasn't even in the right direction. The guys, the lights, the guys left. You know? So after that, I started thinking, okay bro, there are things you can't do anymore. You know? But... Was there a moment when you were scared for your life? Or did the bullets blow around your head? Or did the guy not defend himself in the right way?

But you never really have time to be afraid of this situation. No, but I'm talking... After you say, hey Chris, sorry about that time, but you know, did you have a spot, you said, hey man, wait, if his gun didn't stop, because I heard it in one of your songs, Manu, you're telling a story like that, and you say, you know, the guy was digging in his bag, I'm not saying maybe it's music. It's songs, but I know you.

I feel like it's a true story you're telling. No, no, that's a true story. You're talking about the interlude at the Centriton. Yeah, that's it. The guy was looking in his bag. Exactly, exactly. And then it happened, and finally, the day stayed quiet. No, but we were both in shape.

Like, my partner was in shape, I was knew my partner and the guy was in good shape, but... Situations that... There were a lot of situations where... I don't know how to explain it, you don't have time to be afraid. Because when it happens, you go into survival mode, and then what do you have to do? You don't have time to be afraid because... As I was explaining, it's like...

I'm a participant too. I'm not a victim. No, no, no, no, no, 100%. So... I'm trying participant too. I'm not a victim. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, The fear is like, we never talked about ourselves. Like, oh, the shit is fucked up, man. Even after the world is dead and the other one is shot, it's never like, yo, man, it's fucked up. We never talked like that. Young, careless, unconscious.

Never. We never talked about what we live. No, man, never. It's later when you think about all that, it's like, yo, it's sick. Like me, now I think, you're crazy, you're going to walk around there, you go to the dancers, the guys are going to knock you down, there's stuff like that. But yo, I swear, while it's happening, no, it's just normal. That's the lifestyle. You just have to be careful, there are corners I'm not going to go. When a Christmas girl, it's too easy, my life at home is weird.

So now I have to calculate, you know to calculate things. And you live that, but it's like you live a movie that is fun. But... But it's unhealthy for the mind. It's stressful, it's annoying. Maybe you get carried away because you're young. It's a part of the game. But at the same time, you're like... I don't know, it must be draining for a system.

Do you sleep well that much? Well, you see, that never stopped me from sleeping. I probably never killed anyone. You understand that I never... No, because as I told you... But when a friend dies, you have a friend who got shot.

Yes, that's sad. But it's not that you're scared after. You're not afraid to talk after saying, Hey man, maybe I'll be next and I'll step back a little in the game. No, because now what you're saying is like, yo, it's fucked up, fuck that. You don't retire, it boosts you more. So there's a couple of people in our crew who, yes, when they called the dead, they were like, oh, okay, yo, that's too much for me. So there was a couple all of a sudden that didn't come out with us.

When we were 14, 12, now we're 8. You understand? No, not 8, 8 of us. Because the guys from the Toop Squad, we were 20, we were 20. You understand everything. But in our little circle, you know, the C-Jacks, there are guys that the others were like, OK, no, it's too much. And the thing, those guys, when they say it's too much, it's sure at the beginning you're a little bit like,

ah, yo, ah, ah, ah. But me, when you're with my partner, it's like, he's real, it's too much for him. Maybe a little bit, I'm a little bit disappointed. But I can't be angry either, you know? He's my friend. And you understand my nose too. And you know, you were telling me right away, precisely, about your family still being present that the school is important, but they see that you're 19, 20, and you don't have a 8 to 5.

Or at least you have one. The thing that happens is that one year I'm forced to go to work part-time because it's too loose. I get things. And you don't want to complain to your parents? Exactly. That's it, to my mom. My mom, since I was young, she knew everything, of course. All my crimes and all that, my stuff. But she always hid it from my father and the rest of the family, etc. Because she didn't want to look like someone who couldn't take care of me and my kids

without needing to. You understand? So when I got arrested for my first assault, You don't have to care about me and my kids without having to... You know? So when I got arrested for my first assault, that's when my mom told my dad, OK, look, she implicated my dad in it. You know? And that's it. I imagine it must be that look,

that must be more rough than your own look on yourself. Yes, yes, yes. When you see that your mom is disappointed, your father is disappointed, that's what makes you go, oh man, it's like... And the reason you didn't go to music for years is precisely because you put too much heat on yourself, too much visibility... No, no, no, it's because I went to prison.

Until I was supposed to release my album, Original Chilla, which was planned to be released, we did that independently, my friends. But then after that, I got my charge for the Val-Amer army in 2006-2007, and I came back in 2009 for that, so that's why the album is not released. That's the one you were saying, okay, it's not the one that got released. No, that's the other one. Because the one that got released, I did it in 2001, and I was found guilty. I dragged that for four or five years.

Yeah, I dragged it for four or five years. Yeah, I dragged it for four or five years. Because that's something. The more you drag it, the more after, when it's time to judge yourself, if you haven't done too much damage afterwards, it's like, he was in society, he didn't do anything, it's been a long time. So you know, alright, because there are people who have already shown that they can live in society. You know, like, you're going to take a job, you say you work, you go back to school. I think I was going to go back to him and take a course.

To make it sound good, you know? But basically you were like deep in this... No, well, actually, because the other one I did, it was during my time in class for the other one that I was doing Roman's volumas again, and the other one was in 2003. So I was found guilty in 2005, but I had done the other one in 2003. But because of that, in 2005, when I pleaded guilty, they took my DNA. And that's when they went back to other things and they found a shirt I had left.

That's what I heard. I thought it was a great situation because basically, you made a mistake, you got rid of your shirt. They found the shirt, they took DNA, it was stank during a bout, they stopped you, they took your DNA, and they were like, oh, look, we have a match for an old case. That's it. So they put that on your phone. Exactly, because at that time, my DNA sounded like channel D, things that were not yet common. So in my head, it's just a question of camera, and...

The face and the fingerprints. The face and the fingerprints, you know. So that's it. So after that, they came to accuse me of that in 2006, 2007. So after that, I tried to delay it as much as possible. In the end, I ended up getting into 2009. So there, as I knew I was going to get into it, I didn't release my album. You understand?

Did you continue to write during that time? Were you in it? When I joined the band? Yes, yes, yes. I was still in the music. It happened a bit by chance like that, but it became a passion, I imagine. Yes, yes. After that, when I joined the game, from the corner, especially during the corner period, I was really a rapper anyway,

because Lovawn, he's a guy from my neighborhood who started Lovaughn Studios. I know the name. That's it. So at that time, as he was close to us, I was always in the studio. All my free time, I was in the studio. So at that time, I had taken the pick of rap. I released Apéro, which had the Kornu in it. And it was sold in consignment in the HMV and all the recordman's sams.

It's like... I sold it for 12.99 because it was an EP, I made 9 dollars per CD. It's like there's no record company that takes their money. You get it. That's why after that they stopped consigning. I think it's the distribution companies that put pressure on them. They said, if everyone starts doing that, they won't need us anymore. That's right, they won't need us anymore. Exactly. So it lasted a year. I was able to do this, then all of a sudden, it disappeared everywhere.

Everyone stopped making instructions. I don't want to go back. You answer, you don't answer. Look, I want to ask you a question and not stop you either. Have you ever been afraid of taking someone's life? Is it something that you... non plus, as tu déjà eu peur d'enlever la vie de quelqu'un? Est-ce que c'est quelque chose qui t'a... que ça a pu passer proche, ou est-ce que c'est quelque chose que t'étais prêt à... Tu vois quand tu me parles de peur, si des affaires que j'ai eu peur, moi,

j'ai eu... ce qui m'a fait le plus peur, c'était de faire un acte sur un coup de tête que je regrette, puis que je fais de 20 ans de prison I was doing an act on a headshot that I regret, and I spent 20 years in prison for a beef on the spot, which wasn't even a real beef. And I think he saved me because of that. It's because I was always in condition during the 2000 to 2009. So I was driving armed, it was very complicated,

it was very risky, so I often drove to arm myself. That's why there are situations where I had places to arm myself. Because I was on probation, if the police called me after... They have the right to search my car. And once, one of my friends saved me from that. I drove with my stuff because I didn't have a choice. During a period of time, I often went to the bathroom. There was a form, I didn't trust it.

And things were happening. So one year I was with him and he told me, Bro, stop driving with it. Because of your condition, they will have the right to search you for no reason. » I said, « Okay, you know what, it's true. » So, at some point, it saved me. Two days later, I went somewhere, I was at the dance hall.

Then, there was a descent from the SQ. Then, they came and stopped me outside. They just decided to search my car. I was after my hours, so they still got me. But then, while I was in the police car, I had a big smile search my car. And then, I was after my hours, so they still got me. But then, I was in the police car, I had a big smile on my face. I know I went out for a probation break the other day. And then, he was searching,

and I was thinking about my partner who saved me, and that I would have been done. Although, at that time, it was one year for one weapon. Yeah, it was not... At that time, it was almost three years, three and a half. But that's why there were a lot of situations where I wasn't armed. And often, I always had a cold head because a couple of things happened. I couldn't have done it because there was too much of my ass.

It's all, let it go. And the guy is in front of me and he looks at me. He thinks, but I have it under my knees in my car. And then he calls me, he talks to me, come here, I say, hey, hey, come here. Then I think, I look, it's not good, I'm gone. Then I was like, you know, but my, you know, I'm not a killer, I've never been a killer, but that guy, in any case.

It could have happened if... Yeah, yeah. You know, that's what I find interesting a little because you have that mentality. And that's what I find interesting a little bit because you have that mentality. And that's what I'm talking about today, that you have the intelligence to be there. And for me, it's an intelligence to do, listen, you know, there's nothing good, even if it attracts you, there's nothing good in there. And you have that intelligence.

And fortunately, because first of all, you have one, that person didn't die. I think that's a very good thing, despite who it was, what she did. I consider that, I mean, I'm still a person who hasn't lost his life. And you didn't lose 20 years of your life either. In prison for a business that wouldn't have brought you anything. It's important, you know, you're. I mean, it's not better. No, no, I understand. The way you say it, it's not to squash a corner of a street to scrap your life,

which is unfortunately something that happens too often in society today. Exactly. So that's something that... That scared me. To be in prison, and after five years you're not even angry anymore. And then you're like, you regret it. you're like, it didn't even deserve it, you know? So that didn't work for me. That's why after a while I stopped going out when things calmed down.

Because I don't have the courage to make a joke. Because sometimes I'm a guy who's impulsive. So you make a joke, and then the next day you're not angry anymore. But then you made a reaction, and then you made a move. And then the person is dead, or the next day you'd be more angry, but then you'd react, and you'd make a move, and then the person is dead or whatever, or you're accused. And the next day you weren't even angry anymore. That's why I don't go out, I'm in clubs or places where there's people. I'm like, I'm already far away.

Because I'm a guy who is very respectful, so I have a lot of respect for someone who speaks badly to you, or who lacks respect. I have a lot of respect for that, because I'm going to treat you with respect. So... You're going to respect someone until they find the opposite. Exactly. You're not going to disrespect someone you don't know.

If you start disrespecting them, it's because you're going to understand that they don't deserve your respect. Exactly. I'm never going to be the first person to... No, I'm not a guy who plays that. I'm a chill guy. You're an original chill guy. I'm a chill guy. And your sentence, 2009? Yes, in 2009 I went in. I was a little under run

because I had an alibi to try to help me in my case, but it didn't work, so I tried to find another alibi. So you were in illegal freedom. me out, but it didn't work out. So I tried to find another friend in Libya. So you were in illegal freedom? Illegal, for about 9 months. Then I got caught, I went to sleep, I went to the dancers. It happens a lot, dancers in your pattern. Eclipse came, man.

The group Eclipse, Gangue de Rue, well not Eclipse that wins in the streets, well not in the streets, but in the organized crime. In Montreal, it's the one that wins the organized crime. So that's it. I went back in 2009, and I was 4 years old. I was 4 years old, so I did 7 and a half months at RDP, which was double, and it was still double at that time. So I did 15 months. And then I had 33 months left that I was open. And that's it. And you see, the universe was my first sentence.

Not the first time I went in, but you know, the conditions, the things I went in, the maximum I had done before in it was maybe three weeks, two weeks. OK. And that was my first sentence. And why does it happen? I mean, why does it. And how does it happen for you when you go in? Is it easier to know a little case in it because you know a little case? Or is it because your name is made in the street, people know who you are, people respect you,

you have boys who are there. Is there something that carries more? Well, it's boys who are there. Is there something that carries more? Well, it's a bit of both. There are people who don't feel like they're there. When I got in, in 2009, I wasn't in the prime of youth of the street gangs anymore. So the street gangs guys, it's more by their big brother

or when they ask questions or they heard and they know. Because you don't want me to be in it, I spent my time in Rivière in the Wing of Blood. OK. So you don't want. Because of Moréhanard. Exactly. Because you were like a...

You were tagged. Exactly. And I had beef with the guys on the other side. So before, when I was in there, I didn't want to be scared. But there was a situation, once it wasn't going too bad for me, I said, OK, I'm going to stop playing Indiana Jones. So I'm going to go...

So you stopped. No, no, I'm not scared of anyone. That's it. Because I was in a situation that could going to stop playing Indiana Jones. So I went... So you stopped. No, no, I'm not in a relationship with anyone. That's it. Because I was in a situation that could have turned out very badly. So I fell. Because most of the time, there are more guys in blue everywhere, like over there. And like the Bloods are in a wing.

They're in a wing, right? Fugitive, like S1, you know. So I did my time there. The thing that's funny, the first day I got there, I almost fell into the wrong wing because of a misunderstanding. I don't know, it might not have gone bad anymore, but it's someone I know. I don't remember his name. We're not here to complain. But it's... because there was a beef with someone I knew, but it's his friend.

Anyway, when I arrived in my wing, I wanted to go to his wing. But then they told me, oh no, go to the other one. Then they sent me to another one, in the same blood set wing, but in another one. So when I got there, the guy came to me and said, yo, is there a B-Facto? I said, come on, it's a partner I know well. He said, no, he offered us some buzz so we could pass. I said, eh, oh, eh. But the guys, I had a guy who was there from Saint-Lonore,

Rest in Peace, EZ. You know, so... The guys didn't jump on me. They knew who I was. And the guys were like, it's not our boss, but he wanted to give us some buzz. So they checked what was going on. So the next day, when I was in the yard, in the outside yard, I talked to him through the window.

It was only two minutes. He wasn't even really angry at me. He was more angry at his friend, whom I knew too. OK, OK. And then, out of the blue, he was angry. And then he talked to me. And then when I said a couple of things,

he was like, OK, OK. So it was... Well, the mind went wild. You have nothing else to do than to create a beef with someone. That's it. And then after that, my time, it was super chill.

Because after that, really, people know who I am, in relation to... Either they knew me, a couple of of people or because of my music. So they already know my history, they know I'm from L'Elle. Or they know it's their big brother. One day, one of the guys was there, the boss of the gang, we were on good terms, but he talks to his big brother.

He says it loud, he says, Tkazo, what's his CV? Is he really a DJ? And the guy said the truth. Tkazo, he's not the most dangerous, but he was in the business, there were guys who were really beefing with legit. And that's true even in my music. I never tried to pretend that I was the guy

that everyone was afraid of in Montreal. No man, that's what I like. You know, it's like you arrive and it's the first time we meet. I've seen you know, it feels like you've arrived, and it's the first time we meet. I've seen you often, I've listened to you. But it's the same thing, you listen to me too. But that's one of the reasons.

I feel like I know you because we feel it when we listen to your music. We feel the truth, we feel the real. And I think that in your... You said earlier that you're not a guy who plays that. Where you were getting ready, yes, if there was no beer at the end of the night. I said, I've lived it too. It's like a night that doesn't end in a battle, it's a flat night. But also, when the night doesn't end in a battle and they find something,

I'm not the guy who forced to find something. But I'm with hot heads. It wasn't necessarily you who found it, but if there was... Because most of the time, if there was no one, it would end up fighting the Bunches. Because the Bunches, they would end up fighting the Bunches. Because the Bunches would always come up with a money-nudging thing. And that's it. Now the guys would like to think, take it easy and...

But it's like I said, it was really an ignorant period. I remember I was always going out with my green, and the Bunches would tell me, you're not there, you're going out with a green, I'm going to break a neck. Why can't I go out with the green? The club is outside, it's not your business. It's ridiculous. And in fact, I understand when you're young, because I'm with you.

But it's the Orly sense of the mouth. I know. It's completely stupid, but you're 18 years old and... You're a bit hot-headed. Exactly. But the sentence you say, that's what you tell me, you tell me, I did a shift, it was baby-lala, it was calm, it was relaxed, my shift. But it still remains, you're a shift, I was relaxed, relaxed, my shift, but it's still... You're a guy, you're a chiller, you say I like to go out and all that, you're still restricted. But what's the deal?

You don't have a wife, you don't have your mother, you don't have your father. The way my brain works, really, what's the point of beating you up? You have to do your shift. 100% No. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%.

100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%.

100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. I do some time, my friends did some time, I do deals. It's like, from my own experience, I think I did well with a 4-year-old. So, in addition, I have a good support system outside.

So, that means I miss nothing. And inside, I don't have any problems for my safety. So, in addition, all I have to do is make my shift and hold up my mind. And myself, while I'm in there, Kashim, wrestling wrestling power, I'm hiding my trying to continue a 9 year old contract. What am I with my little time? You can't be sad. You're sad for a little time. You can't be tired. There's a guy next door who's 25 years old. Yo bro, let your little 4 years old go. You can't even think about... Now, if I would go back for four years.

Well, yeah, that's another story. I'm going to beat you up. We're going to come back to that, because it's kind of the reason why you're not in this life anymore. Exactly. But I find it interesting to have a time when you're there and you're like, today, it's happening to me now. Fuck all. I'd be like, I'd do two days.

But I don't understand, because it's been a long time. If it happens, it happens. It's going to be part of it. But today, I'm in the end, I'm in the cibic. I have other things to do, I have to go through. Even three days, you don't hear me. It's too much to lose. At that time, you didn't have time to lose.

And it was part of the lifestyle. It's like, you don't want to, it's like... It's not a badge of honor, but it's an issue in the street, that in you, you want to know how you're going to handle the situation. So I had a trip to learn and to size the situation, and to play in it, maneuver, study the world, play my game, know something. So I'm a guy like that. Like the first time, I saw it as an experience,

learning something. You know, it increases what we call the street cred, you know, in the end, it's been written in the street. You know, you've been doing it for a while, okay, man. You've gone through that level. You've been playing around, you haven't told anyone, you've done your shift, no one's heard you,

there's nothing negative about it, so it increases credibility in the street. Not only does it increase credibility, but it also makes you automatically less sluggish. Because if you're always in the street doing a lot of stuff, the logic says you're going to have time at some point. Why didn't you have time? Maybe you didn't really do things, or you're sluggish, you talk, you're sneaky, you talked.

So someone who has a career that never made time, that's why we say, OK, he made time, that means, OK, he was really active, so what does he do? So that's it, it gives you a street cred on one side, yes. But like, it's weird because the hottest ones, it's those who have never been caught. It's them, the hottest ones. The others who have houses with 3 million in Westmont. I know a couple, I know, I know... There are four, I think, but there is only one. There is only one guy I know who a couple, I know of... There's four, I think.

There's only one guy I know who was really criminal all along that we knew him. He had never been in prison. You know what I mean? Did you understand that there were pawns down there? They were all leaving, you know, after the police. No, but it's just a guy who knew how to move very well. Well, you know, I mean,, I know people who are the most...

They're guys who have got facts. They're guys who have never got big numbers of big things. They're guys who have been deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. And it's not because there hasn't been an investigation on them. Exactly. They're guys who do smart things. I'll bring you back, it's not the first's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it rap, we have a lot of things. I don't have the choice to assume... But at one point, I was thinking about it. When I started doing interviews, the family was like, shit, the family is crazy. But at one point, I said to myself, look, my rap is my going pain.

And that's what I've been telling in my music, Anyways, for all this time. So I'm an adult now, they don't have the cousin. But at the same time, yes, on the other hand, yes, it's shameful what I did for the family, but today, leaving what you do, it's not shameful. You're among the great names of the rap club, and you winning your life with music, which is impressive in 2024. For a guy who's been there since 1999. Most of the rappers I know from 1999 who were there and who are still active,

you and Impa, I don't know anyone else. I don't see who is still very active. It's a challenge for Raynman and Impa. They're also going to be... They're going to be, that's it. It's a challenge for Rain Man and M-Bot. They're also going to... They're going to... But it's not... I've listened to a lot of them, but I don't see them as much. Are they alive today?

I don't know. No, they're alive. When I talk about being active... I mean, I know we're about the same age. And you were there in 99 with an hit. And, you know, I'll say, if there were other Canadian hip-hop hits in 99, I don't think they were there. And there were guys who were big in the rap world who weren't there anymore.

And the fact that you lasted, even on the other hand, maybe if you didn't have your time and you released more albums, maybe today you're not there anymore. Yes, it's for sure that now, exactly. There's that too, you know, maybe now that we're in that, I'll be like me who didn't hear that sure that now, exactly. There's that too, maybe now that I'm in there, I wouldn't have heard you, maybe. But I wouldn't have stayed all this time either,

one day I would have like... Quit out the rap game maybe? Yes, that's it. But for my family, that's it. My mother tried to hide it as much as possible. My father knew it, my brothers. But like, the temples and all that, it's like he went to Toronto to do something. He's like, he went to Toronto to do something. And he also went to Toronto for his music, stuff like that.

And you said your brothers, but I'm a little curious, are there other members of your family who followed your step? No, but my big brother, he was from the generation just before me, from Duel Road Bal, Bélanger, Masturbie, Company B. That's it, because I was already in it. You often heard my big brother, he was a oujie. Exactly. So that's why as soon as he arrived from Haiti, when I was maybe 9, 10 years old, 11 years old, you know, then... After that, when I was younger, I heard stories from home, gang shit stuff that he told me, you see?

The stories he told me. Stories that he was telling me. He was the one who sowed the seeds with his stories? No, because when he arrived, I was already a little bit of a fighter in the neighborhood. You understand, my kind of initiation at school, when he hadn't even arrived yet. So that side... No, because... I idolized him more for his playful side than the girls. Okay. Because like him, when he's chill, he's a chiller.

He's not a guy who looks like a threatening, mean guy. He's a guy who laughs, who's chill. He's really the playful guy. So I idolized him for his style. He was super stylish, he was the cool guy, he had all the girls. But he didn't promote the gangster side of me. Even him, when he told me his story, he laughed. He was laughing. He was telling a story to my nose.

He said, the guys came, and they have machetes. He went to laugh. What's that machete? He came out on the 38th. So he told me that in a joke. But my brother is a cool guy, he's a nice guy. He's a guy... Still among us today?

Yes, yes, still there. His family, he's a nice guy. He's a guy... Still among us today? Yes, yes, still there. His family life has been a long time. He left... Yes, yes, he left that life a long time ago. And he had made a sentence with... But that's it. So he left that life and that's it.

So it was a passage that you both lived through. That's it. Because he's still in the generation that... It's mostly to defend oneself with the skinheads that were there. I told you earlier that I received Maxime Aurélien, who was from that time, and that's what he told me, you know, at the base. We were protecting ourselves from skins and all that. We were bombarded with hatred and racism, so it was protecting the neighborhood.

And we were talking about the colors, because it was their soccer team wearing a red shirt, so they were dressed in red, red-skinned, because it was the name of the park. So that's how it was. And what he told me, he said, when it started, it was a bit like you, because what he was telling me was that one of them got punched, and that's when they decided, and it's the first time they've beaten someone who wasn't a racist, but a battle-fighter. Because you attacked...

Black on Black. It was the first time I saw a Black on Black. Because usually it was against the skins, it was against the police, against the people who came to our house and intimidated us. Exactly. So my brother, from that generation, you know. And my brother, the more generation, you know. And my brother, he's more like a beef with Jamaican people. When they went clubbing, they could smoke there.

So at the moment, there's a generation of skins or Jamaican people. A lot. But then I lived it like the end of the Skinhead era. You know, because there was still a a few when I was in high school, two, three, and then it happened. But it never happened to me that we had a battle against skinheads. Never happened. Because sometimes when we were in the streets,

they started to be less and less present. And I remember sometimes we met them. They were in the shade. They were... They were... When we saw them, sometimes they weren't racist skinheads. Sometimes they came out and explained, no, no, no, I'm not...

They were more punk than TMR. But they were skinheads with red glasses or colored glasses, I think. Or they went out with a map, and we looked at them, amazed, and all that. I was like, no, we're not afraid. They're trying to get us. No, we're letting them. So it quickly faded away in the time I didn't live much. What happened? Did you leave?

Did I leave? Well, look, before I left, I was signed with a French manager, me and King, Block B Group. We signed with a manager, Julien Ribnick, a deal to go to France and start working on a project. So that's one of the reasons why I kept calm when I was in it. Because I wanted to get out as soon as possible, so I wasn't going to start making a lot of money and sell or try to make money to buy myself a donut and not go out on the streets.

But what happened was that... At the beginning, my motivation was that when I went out, the story of Block B France was going to happen. But when I went out, what happened was that King, he was in France with the beginning, my motivation was that when I left, the story of Block B, France, was going to happen. But when I left, what happened was that King, he was in France with the guy, he made him appear in the song for the Haiti tremolo, the video clip. There was a 12-minute song with a lot of French artists. He's in the video, he's doing a couple of bars. But after that, I think there was a misunderstanding with the guy, so it got out of hand.

So when I left, that boat had already flowed. So now when I leave, the rap's a shot down. So when I get out of that boat, it's already gone. So now when I go out, the rap game here is dead. It doesn't interest me at all. Because... Yeah, I was going to say, well, it's dead for you. Yeah, well, I mean, for me, I think that the atmosphere, there wasn't enough atmosphere to motivate me to come back, you know.

Because I was already in the stage, going to France, you know, we had a manager. So for me, it was the other stage. So when I went out it's not like I have the passion to be a rapper, and I no longer had the taste for rapping. So I lost that taste for rapping until 2017-18. Then you look at what was happening in Montreal, and you're like, I'm going to go back to the dumps. You know, I no longer had the motivation because of the French thing, that it was over, it was like a battle. So I didn't think the motivation anymore because of the French thing, that it was over, it was a battle. So I didn't think about Montreal anymore. And from the time you left until 2017 when you returned to music,

what did you do? Well, that's it, I didn't stop... I was super calm, I was careful, but I was doing small things. I had an illegal going pain. The street side is still there when you die. Yes, but a positive side. I didn't want much to do. You didn't have a sentence for that, we'll go into details.

When I got out of prison, I chilled out. As I said before, I had good support at that time. When I got out, I was fine. And then after that, I was fine for when I got out. And then after that, I was doing well for a couple of years. But then around 2015, it started that money, it's not easy. Because there are a lot of risks that I don't want to take anymore. You understand, so I calm down. So what I decide to do, I decide to study and then go back to school.

Because I tell myself... You understand? You understand, because I also have to explain the whole thing too. Because during 2006, there was all the story of the mafia. I've already talked about it with my friends Ray, Ray Cano, my friend who died, who was in the stories with Risotto. He was caught with the kilos. As I explain in the song STL VICE, you understand?

So there, my whole world, my circle, my core of contacts, and all that, everyone is in there where they are almost dead. I still have a couple, but... From the Sea Jack, the rescuers, the rescuers, a lot of things. All my resources were almost all in prison. So the little things I was doing, I was like, I'm in a new world. I'm very calm, but you know, like... Anyway.

So after that, it didn't work. Then I went back to school. I tried to go back to school and take a course. In what? Just on a head start, I took a class in printing next door to our house, because I learned how much it was going to pay, and then like, oh yeah? Oh yeah, it doesn't pay. And I never had anything against going to work legit, money is the crime, it doesn't work anymore.

It's after I was hired that I was like, wow, I prefer to rap, I prefer to make money, than go to work 9 to 5. Which is still a flip-coin, because it's not because you rap that you're going to win your life. But look, there's a thing, a little mini-step, because when I worked, there, at one point, I broke a shell, I got kicked out, and at the same time, I wasn't able to work, I wasn't capable, I was like, can I do this every day for the rest of my life? Because if you work in something you love, yes. But the job I had was a job to pay the bills.

So you're just waiting to finish your number. So it's not a life, you know, at least... Which probably 90% of the people do, unfortunately. So I was like, as long as I do it, now it's getting attractive to go back to rap. But before doing that, to go back to rap, I wanted to go back to rap independently. Because I've always been a guy, if I rap, it's independent. But I started doing illegal stuff again. I went back to the stories of how coke works in our country.

I've already said that in interviews. Okay, perfect, perfect. So I did things wrong, and then when I thought about it, I said, what am I doing now? I'm going back to the same pattern that got me into it, that fucked up my music career. I wanted to make illegal money to invest in my rap, but the thing that happens is that by doing that,

you can get arrested and it fucks everything up. So I said, I'm not going back to the same pattern I lived. It didn't work once, it wouldn't work a second time. So I said to myself, I'm going to call Carlos because he had approached me to sign me some previous ones. We're talking about Carlos from Joyride Records. For those who don't really know Joyride Records, it's one of the biggest labels in Quebec.

It's the top two label here in the game. So he had approached me before, but when he approached me, I wasn't really interested in going back to rap. Yeah. I saw that he's a real guy who raps, he's a real guy, he's a direct guy. There are people who don't like him, but it's not like he's a guy who says to be cool and he can be a jerk. But I'm a guy like that, I grew up with jerks, we say to be cool. We're not spoiled because we say a direct dry thing. So for that, I get along with him. So I called him back and he was in the room, we talked, we negotiated, and it happened.

And your first official album? Yes, my first official album. Your first official album is released, with my girl Stammy Tuesdays in it. I like it a lot, I have myself, we'll talk about it later, but I have a track, I'm an old rapper too, and I have a track with Tammy. The show Lowrider Montréal, I don't know if you've been following this for a while now, Kanazed, there's a show on the Lowrider. I was in the Lowrider club for years, we shot a clip for Tammy and I invited her to do a fuss for the TV show. And then I saw a girl I love in a video and I was like, oh yeah, nice. And then the album came out, it literally exploded. Yeah, big shout out to Adgeride because we had billboards on the bus.

The bus and everything, I saw it all. It was cool. So the promo was super nice because I hadn't been in the game for a long time. So everyone really needed to know that I came back. I had disappeared for a long time. Everyone... I said everyone and I included myself in it. You brought back... It's crazy because I say you brought back a freshness for me at Rap Cab.

But at the same time, what you brought back is... It was an old vibe. You brought back the boom bap hip hop from the 90s, early 2000s. You brought that back to us in 2020, when everyone was like, Oh, a surf, it's good, we hear it when it's lost, you rap on it. Lyrics, set, strong, beats that don't take off. I find that it's an album that you came back with so much strength. I imagine you had years of lyrics to write about yourself.

Exactly, because I could more easily analyze the album because I have some distance. I look at the situations from a distance. And I knew I had to come in the right way. Because if I didn't come in the right way, all my fans who were waiting for an album, if I didn't have an album that satisfied them, it would be better if I didn't come in the right way, all my fans who were waiting for an album, if I had an album that wasn't satisfying, it would be better if I didn't have anything. So if I didn't feel confident enough to do something to the level of my fans, I wouldn't have turned my day one, I wouldn't have disappointed them. And then listen, another album that followed, it's fine, you live off your music, bravo for that.

Now I want to ask you the question, in 10 years, do you think you'll still be an MC? No, no. There's not much left. I'm like... I'm honestly calculating another album. That's it. And what do you see in your future? What do you see in winning your life? I mean, you don't take your retirement. The rap cab, we can make money with the rap cab, but, no, but that's not... No, no, no. I'm taking a retirement, man. Maybe there's a couple. Until 80, I'm chilling.

Maybe there's a couple who can, but it's not... Oh yeah, and a guy like, you know, Soulja, who, you know, if you're here, he's made some good moves, who's put his stuff in the shop, you know. You understand. I don't know your life either, but that's why I'm asking. Did you invest, did you have real estate, what's your problem? Do you want to stay in music?

No, but I'm going to stay in the things I like, which have like in the sense of everything that is film, series. It's possible that I get into the podcast game. We never know. Welcome in the podcast game. There's room for everyone. You understand. So then for other projects, I'm not going to talk about it too much.

But no, I'm going to stay on the artistic side, but not as an MC. Like, you know, like I on the artistic side, but not as MC. I like writing scenarios, books, these things. Show my world, my vision in different ways. Like there, I showed it, explained it with music. And with the visual now, I would like to... Like the street still calls me, it's me who created the scenario and the idea and all that, but Charlotte has 16 pads, which is good... Put in the image of what you had in mind.

Exactly. And did you already think about acting? No, acting, no. No, you're not interested in that? I'm not interested in being an actor, no. Okay. No, because you're a cast. And I'm not good either. No, but that's it, everyone is a series.

I wouldn't have liked it, it's sure you can take classes and everything, but maybe do some cameos one day, but being an actor is not something that attracts you. You're not the Ice Cube Quebecois. No, no. But are there any nice projects? And listen, I sincerely wish you that it works.

But do you have... I know I often bring up the word fear. When I say fear, it's not because I'm scared. Is it that you... I know I often bring up the word fear. When I say fear, I'm not scared. Is it a fear? I'm more concerned with the word fear than fear. Is it a fear that if these things don't work, I'm going to turn back? What I know is the street.

I know you have a attachment to this lifestyle. It's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you. I know it's something that still holds. You have the intelligence not to go back to that. Because, as we were talking about prison, the fact that I was able to accept Dandle, a time in prison and all that. Now I don't want to risk anything that could make me lose years in prison. Because in the long run, it's better to grind where I went

to do things than to go back to prison. I don't want to risk anything. I don't want to risk anything. I don't want to risk anything. I don't want to risk anything. I don't want to risk anything. I could lose years in prison. Because in the long run, it's better to grind where I went to do things than risk getting caught. Because after that, if I get caught,

I make a sentence, I'm gonna have to get worse when I go out. I don't know if you follow me, because it's obvious. 100%. It's obvious. It's not like 7 or 8 years ago, when you go out. When you go out, there's still one option. To go back and do what you have to do.

So no, I left that behind. It's something in my head, like... Yes, my ideal has always been... There's nothing nicer than the criminal who succeeded, who did his thing, and who's legit afterwards, and who helped me out of the zone. So it's sure that the romanticism that's in there, I don't care about the world, the influences, He succeeded, he did his things, and he's legit after. He made it his own way. So it's sure that the romanticism that's in there, I don't care about the world, the influences.

I've always seen it like that since I was very little. I've always seen it like that. Me, because I'm a rebel, my mentality is like, if I don't get caught, I have the right. As soon as I don't hurt anyone, when I get there, it's the game, I shake going to blow my own nose. That's the game. But I... Gentlemen Cambrian.

What I'm trying to understand is... Do you think you could go back to the streets if you didn't do that? Going back to 9-5 and saying, I had that moment, I had my glory with music. Today, man, I'm going to go I'm going to take it up to 70, 70, 70. It's for sure. I'm not going to crash out, that is to say, do something crazy for money, instead of going to work 9 to 5.

No. Like I wouldn't go for a fight, do 80,000, and then if someone makes me take it, instead of going... Because with the dosicta, it's like this... That's it, you get it. So, is it scary to be... Yes, yes. Because even now, yes, but I thought about it again, and then no, it's not an option that's part of it. It's not an option anymore. No, it's not an option anymore. No.

Well, bravo for that intelligence. You know, it's made a big reality check. And now I make sure that we're a little more relaxed, a little more intelligent. And man, all... What I wish for is two or three other albums, not just one, man. I want a little bit of luck in my ears again

for at least the next five years. But... I know I'm doing at least one. After this album, I change my mind and I'm doing another one, but I know I'm not at least one after this album, it's a bit different, but I know I'm not going to do another one before. Anyway, if you don't know, meet Ticaso, discover it if you like rap. If you don't like rap, sincerely. You talked about this book, and I think it's important that your texts are found that people don't like rap, but that they can read what you write, because I think it makes sense, I think it's said the way it should be said, but it's so said and written intelligently.

It has to be read and heard. Connoisseur, man, thank you so much for coming. I appreciate it. I know you were like, oh, Chris, I think it's my case, but I think it's a good episode. We went to places we haven't been to yet in the podcast. And I thank you for that.

I hope you enjoyed your time. Oh, yeah, it was very nice. It was a great discussion. I'm super happy. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. The Thank you.