Au Parloir - Épisode #83 - Sonia Von Sacher

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois SONIA VON SACHER, une «théraput3», elle nous parle de son parcours vers le travail du S3XE ainsi que de son métier, les impacts dans sa vie ainsi que ses prochains projets en lien avec le S3XE! Faisant ce métier par amour & par choix, afin de voir l'autre angle de la prost1tution! Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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for us, a nice online store. And you also have all the information on my social networks and on my career, from Maurice, where are the shows and the ticket sales. Today, we are abroad. I warn you right away, it's probably not a podcast that will be unanimous. I received Sonia Von Sasher. Maybe you already know Sonia, she's very active on the networks, she does a lot of podcasts. Sonia is a sex worker. Why did I receive a sex worker? Because I received several people who were victims of... victim of pimp, abuse, and all sorts of things. And I know Sonia a little personally, to meet up in humor shows. And she doesn't have the language in her pocket,

but she does this job out of love and especially out of choice. She also does it with disabled people. It's a different angle. I like that sometimes, we talk a lot about prisons because we don't know much about prisons, and with them we talked about prostitution because we know everything, but we don't really know that.

It's honestly my first podcast that I found really interesting, that I liked doing. I repeat myself, I don't necessarily endorse the gestures, the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I am a person who takes the freedom of expression. I like people who speak with their hearts. ideologies, les termes utilisés par mes invités, mais je suis une personne qui prône la liberté d'expression. J'aime les gens francs qui parlent avec leur cœur. Bienvenue au Parloir. Sonia! Allô! Merci beaucoup d'être présente. Patiace qui va être un peu différent, je pense que de ce que je fais d'habitude.

On se connait un petit peu, je vais le mettre en contexte. Oui! T'es une geek d'humour, t'es très souvent au bordel. On s'est croisé deux, trois fois, je pense, au bordel, dans des événements différents, tout ça. J'en ai parlé dans mon intro. La raison pour laquelle je veux te recevoir, c'est via ton métier. I talked about it in my intro. The reason I want to welcome you is because of your job. I received victims of sexual harassment, pimps and all that. You do your job, you do it by choice, you do it by yourself, and you do it on the occasion.

I can tell you all the time, I don't know your life, but you often do it on occasion for good causes, if I can say it like that. Yes, good causes. So that's really what I wanted to have you for the reverse of the medal. Yes. And how do you perceive yourself in your job? How do you think your job, your project, you've seen it in a lot of podcasts, among others. And you talk about it openly, and the image that you have the impression that you project on maybe young girls or whatever. So that's all. My goal, as I was saying, off camera, is not to put you on the spot, it's not to challenge you, it's really to have the upside of the medal.

And it's all in your honor, sincerely. When I told the world I was going to do your podcast, everyone was like, you did it, I didn't know. You know, the world didn't know what I was going to do on your podcast. And I think it's really all in your honor show a little bit of the upside of the medal, without normalizing it, without glamorizing it. I think I'm the right person for that because, yes, I do my job by choice, I love my job. In the meantime, I'm aware of the social responsibility I have.

To do this job, to show myself, and to show exactly how it is in my authentic reality, but also to say that it's not the norm, that it's not everyone, that it's like that, that my reality does not invalidate the bad experiences of others and the bad experiences of others do not invalidate my reality. That's the reason for which you're there, but before getting into this subject, I'm going to do as I do with all my guests. We start from the beginning. From the beginning? Who is Sonia? What kind of family is she from?

In which area? Your primary school, your secondary school, and how does all that get into your life? OK. I'll let you speak. Hey, do you want to laugh? I've done a lot of podcasts and we're always a little light-hearted, you know? It's not shallow, really, but you know, it's always a little... We've never opened the door to help even if I'm gay, even if I'm capable. It's not shallow, really, but you know, it's always a little... We never really...

Never been open to help. Open to help, even if I'm gay, even if I'm able to. It's for sure that at the beginning, when I did podcasts, I didn't really want to go there because it seems like it reinforces the stereotype of we all had a bad past, that's why we do this job, etc. You know, drugs, whatever. So I didn't want to go there. When you hear the world, you know who I am.

Maybe not your world, but the world here, I'm who? It doesn't change anything from the past I've had, whether it's positive or negative. It doesn't change the fact that I do it by choice, I do it in a balanced way. It doesn't change anything, even if the world can make a drinking comparison. And with beautiful values. That's one of the reasons why I could have known a lot about it. But you know, one, you're a person who's comfortable in front of the microphone, I could have known a lot about it, but you know, you have someone who is comfortable in front of the microphone, I know that.

And I also think that most of the podcasts in which I saw you, I don't think it was the podcast style that was the right vibe, to go deeper into your story. It's true. And I've always been open to that. On my Instagram, I'm so close to my world, I tell it and everything. To answer your question, I'm from B2B.

I'm from Val d'Or, you know? I was going to say no, but yes, because you already wrote to me, I was on the show. You were at the prospector. I was at the prospector, so I wrote, hey, you're on the show, the barman is one of my friends, you're on Instagram, it's true. So yes, I forgot about it. It's my father who built the stage you perform on,

at the prospector. In fact, all the bars in Val d'Or, it's my father who did it. It's the same as that, you know, it's going to have a report in historyaldor. I lived in an HLM all my childhood with my mother. It brought me incredible stability. I am a fervent defender of the HLM because I would not have been able to have the same level of stability as my mother. I was born and raised in Valdor. I grew up in the city of Valdor.

I grew up in the city of Valdor. I have a strong defense with my mother. It brought me incredible stability. I am a strong defender of the HLM because I wouldn't have been able to have the same house all my life if it hadn't been for the fact that the HLM allowed me to pay 50 bucks a month if that's all she had. It really helped us a lot at that level. You told us about my father and you told me about your mother. Did you talk about my father? No, but you told me about your mother. It means that your father isn't here. Yes, he's super present.

He's super present. Yes, that's it. Yes, but he's not here. He's in prison. The link. The link is made. And they've been separated for two years now, so anyway, my father stays a little bit more everywhere, especially when he's Right before he went to prison, and then we lived in the basement of a friend or whatever.

It was less stable, but I was really more at my mother's. Okay. First, big, big TDA, but at the time we didn't call it too much a TDA, so I was just in one and I was a little bit in trouble, you know? Yes, okay. I lived the same thing, yeah. Secondary, drugs, a lot used to the same thing. Secondary, drugs. A lot of drugs. I'm an old toxicomaniac. I was not ashamed of that at all.

What are we talking about? What age are we talking about? We're talking about whatever we're given. It's quite rare that we start with a line of powder. No, it was the put. Really. The put has always been very democratized in my family. Even today. Imagine when I got caught on my cigarette for the first time, it was the end of the world.

Family reunion, sitting at the table, screaming. When they learned I was smoking weed, it wasn't a big deal. As my dad always said, at least it brings you a buzz. You get healthy, at least it brings you something. You don't doubt why my dad has been doing this for a long time? He has made a lot of friends. When I was in elementary school, You're taking care of your health, but at least it brings you something. Do you have any doubts why my father did that? He did a lot of potting. When I was in elementary school,

I was saying, when he asked me what my father did in life, I was saying that he was a gardener, because I thought that was it. Oh, because it's too young, you want to plant the seeds. For me, a smell of pot plants, it smells like my childhood, if you understand. My heart was full there. So it's really,. I still smoke pot. I've never smoked as little pot in my life, but it's never been something that was bad.

It's brought me so much in my life. Because of the TDA? Because of the TDA, it helped me with the pain I've had all my life, depending on what kind of problems I had. I really used the pot all the time. But when you say, are you considering yourself a toxicomaniac? Yes, it wasn't the pot. No, no, that's it. That's the beginning. It starts with a joint, it gets faster.

Sooner. Sooner. In my case, I wanted to be an adult way too early. It just made me have problems. I don't even know what age it is, but you know, whether it's June 1st, the first other drug, the first sexual relationship, etc. I've always been ahead of it all. For me, my choice of drug, which had really been a daily problem, was speed at the time.

I was going to do it. I don't know why I had the feeling that it was... It's also habit-b. You have to say it, the drug problems in BtiB, even today, it's really alarming. It's really a big problem. And in my time, there was just this thing, take the drug and dig. Well, the regions, that's it. It's often, you know, the Mont-Saint-Cent... Hey, Montreal, Montreal! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's trash going on for a long time.

In a neighborhood of HLM, it's not everyone who is a good influence. So it brought me to do a lot of really young things. And we saw it in 2024, Quebec, Saguenay, the crime, the robberies, gang of street, motor, war, it's crazy. The world that ate its ass before bed, I don't know if you saw it in the photo, it's gone viral. Do you know what I'm talking about. No, no. No? It sounded weird the same, but it's because there's a super viral picture of two people

who are straight, tight, and who eat their asses, who are an anulingus. It's become like all the people who have a show on it. That's not why I'm not sure you heard about it. It's not a chic picture. Everyone thinks it's a picture in Montreal, but it was Valdaert in front of the bag. I was like, oh my god, Valdaert represents. Oh, that was weird. I admit I'm holding on. I try to keep myself away from traditional media, short media.

Welcome to the club, it's a shame, Maren. I try not to... You're doing well, especially since you're here. I have enough horror stories here that I don't need a TVA to put more of me in the throat. That's it. I have to say that I listened to a lot of your podcasts today, and it's crazy how it's getting into me, I can't get over it. It's horrible what people have been through. I mean, in the sex industry, but it's not the work of sex.

What they've been through is sexual exploitation. You really have to stop making the analogy between the two. It's not the same thing. The only thing in common is that there's sex and money, They lived through sexual exploitation. You really have to stop making the analogy between the two. It's not the same thing. The only thing in common is that there's sex and money, but in the meantime, it's really not the same thing. We'll come back to that. We're back to the toxicomaniac.

So, I'm discovering the speed. Wow, sick, for the first time I feel normal. It was really that. It was really to feel normal because I had a huge TDA, not diagnosed, I didn't understand what I had, but it allowed me to go to school, to have motivation and to be able to finish my days. I was a solid nerd, strangely.

I was taking speed and skipping school to go read books at the library. Isn't that a little ridiculous? We're talking about Madalus. Oh yeah? I skipped really because I didn't like school, but I wanted to learn, so I went to the library and I read books all day long. That was my time just before I left school.

There's worse like toxicoman there anyway. Well, there were less fun boots. You know, during a boot, and too young, I was so dependent on speed. In fact, party drugs and everything, but speed was really a problem. It was the point in the crisis. You could do I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy.

I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I was on the verge of going crazy. I go to bed, the speed wakes me up 15 minutes later, we go to school. At a too young age to get out of bed, you know? I couldn't even get out of bed, I wasn't legally old.

Finally, I was going crazy. The drug made me lose my improvisation, for example. I loved doing improvisation at school. I stopped doing improvisation. I came a little... it's annoying, how do you say it in the B2B, you know? And then, well, I had the taste of farting in my teachers. There have been situations with teachers that even the school principal said, OK, legally you're not supposed to be able to get out, but we're going to let you go.

We're going to let you go. And is there a link with your father's detention? When your father is not there, you're a monk, I imagine. When I got out, my father was in there. I don't know if it's the part where my father was in prison, which was the most traumatic, but it was when I was younger, it was long in my mind, from the point that we know he's going to come in, and that he's coming in. For me, that point was unbearable,

knowing that my father is leaving. There's not a day in my life that I remember more than the morning at 6 a.m., I hear my father leave, and I don't know when he's going to come back. For me, it was 10 years ago. I don't know when he'll be back. It was 10 years ago. I don't know how long he was in prison. Maybe 2 years. It was 10 years. He came home, I was a child, I was a woman. Or a young woman.

In your head, you were physically one, but mentally one. No, not really. Immature, I thought I was immature. So I dropped out of school. I was super hardworking. All the time, two or three jobs. I did all the jobs ever. I was a stage technician for five years.

That's when I met the majority of the world. In Chauxbiz. You fell in love with the word. Exactly, 100% that's it. It's the love of the stage. That's where it started. I drop out of school. back to school. Really not. After that... I wanted to ask you a question. I'm sorry, I wanted to ask you a question because there's one thing to say. I did everything too early. You were talking about sexual relations too early.

How much did it take up space in your life? Because often, consumption often comes with that. So in pleasure, I imagine at that time, it's not a job yet, but when you think about it today, when you're an adult, the woman you are, what you were doing when you were a teenager, did that make sense? There's a totalitarianism, because I've always used sex in a way certain way. At that time, it was maybe to have friends, maybe to manipulate a man, whatever. I realize today that I had understood really early on that sex is a tool,

and that there's no harm in that. I still think about it today. I've never been told that sex is shameful, sex is shit. It's always been something healthy, normal, not taboo. In my family, I didn't know what it was that they were doing, but I knew that they didn't like those things in my family. No, no, no, I was raised in a family like that. And I heard you today in your story, there was something about you.

Yeah, in another podcast that I did where I I talked about the situation I live with my daughters. I feel like I was living. I'm not, you know, it's not taboo at home, we talk about it. It's super simple. I'm not explicitly with my daughters, but my daughters know that I love my wife, but they see us love us dressed up. I mean, they're 11 years old, so it's the subjects that start talking, and I don't shame that, and I don't say, no, no, no, it's poop, it's no, no, no.

It's important, you know, and I know that since I became a escort afterwards, it doesn't give people the taste to do that with their children, but it has nothing to do with it. No, I don't think it's... It can help me, who was pre-cossed, it's other things that led to that, it was really not that, but I still have a good relationship with sex. I don't know, you know, I'm wasn't really that. But I still have a good relationship with sex. I don't know. I don't know how old I am. I remember hearing in a podcast that I know that the first time you were relatively young.

I don't know how old I am. I honestly don't know. I'm 13 or 14. Something like that. Maybe 12 or 13. But I'm not sure. I just know that I was with my boyfriend. It had been a few months that we were together. Which means a decade in adult age. It was a long-term relationship. We know, we loved each other, etc. It was thought and everything in advance.

You wanted to desire it. I'm lucky that my first time was like that, even if it was very young. And the worst thing is that it's super stupid how young they are. I didn't even want anyone to know that I was still a virgin at that age. Today I realize how insane it is to think about it, but the guy who broke me up didn't know who broke me up. Because I'm too cool to be a virgin at that age. And I'm just talking about it so that people realize that it's really reality,

and that it must be even worse today, this kind of thing. I was ashamed to have my virginity at 12-13 years old. What the fuck? And so much so that... Which is something very old-fashioned in my generation. How many guys who say, yeah, I've already done it, and fuck off. That's it. All my friends had it, and I still had it. So I didn't say it.

And the guy didn't know either. The passenger took my time. So he never knew. There was a rumor a year later that I had given it to Clamédia. I thought it was funny. And then one day I took him to a party in Salomon. I said, you're going to stop saying that I gave him aclamations. I'm going to tell you.

I was a virgin when we slept together the first time. He never believed me. It's true. I didn't give him an aclamation. So it's funny that it started. The big parties, of course, when my father went to prison, it really complicated things. The daddy issues.

That's what I'm afraid to go into a stereotype saying these bastards, daddy issues. My father is very present in life. No, no, but I'm talking about a daddy issue. I don't mean that your father is not present, but I mean a young girl who loses her father even if it's for six months of her life, and who has been there all her life, and you lost her six months, and who is there all your adult life, that six months can have repercussions. One of the biggest trauma of my life, sincerely, is the hell of losing your father at that age.

It's hell. It's even more hell when your mother tears it up. Without my dad's motorcycle friends, we would have really ripped it off. It's them who helped us financially. It's them who made us eat, otherwise we don't know what we would have done. And not only that, but I was the worst little crisis in the world, so my mom was going crazy. Today I cover it with gold and diamonds to apologize for everything I've done to it. I don't get back what this woman endured because of me.

My brother, an angel. I, a demon, I wouldn't come back to what this woman endured because of me. My brother, an angel. Me, a demon. I wouldn't stop lying. Seriously, I'm going to tell you stories you wouldn't even believe. It's like I invented them. I was really a little sad. So, while my mother was in prison, I dropped out of school. I didn't intend to go back to school. There are a lot of things going on, including my doctor telling me about TDA. He put me on medication for TDA.

It really helped the addiction to speed. It didn't help the addiction to adrenaline, to go to the TDA and he gave me a medication for the TDA. It really helped the speed addiction, but it didn't help the adrenaline rush, etc. So it stayed. I had my best friend, Ben, who was much older than me, but we were the same. He's going to prison too. He's going to have a prison now, if you're there. You're in the right place. He's going to prison because the cab had a fire, and he decided to out the same way, even if I yelled at him not to go out. He went out the same way. He saw police in town. He had a good idea, since he was not allowed to be outside and he asked for his cards, he beat the police.

You know, a good decision. So he goes back inside. Solid. He's been in jail for a while, my father was my best friend. In the meantime, my father came back from prison. My father, who was released from prison, felt really bad about having us arrested. To the point that he made me the promise that he would never come back to prison. He really respected it. He never broke the law since that time. He took it seriously. He understood how tough it was. I didn't even have the right to see him in prison.

He didn't want me to see him. Because it would have understood how tough it was. And I didn't even have the right to go see him in prison. He didn't want me to go see him, because it would have been really tougher for him. It would have been really tougher for me to go see him in prison. In fact, I don't know. Because after that, I visited friends in prison who were traumatized. I don't know, if I had wanted to see that at 14 or 15 years old. The little rebel who would have probably wanted to kick everyone out, would have probably kicked you out of the house. I was the hell.

I didn't even have the right to go to the justice palace in Val d'Or for a while. Except it was my trial, because I was so sad. My uncle had a trial for whatever, and I didn't know we weren't allowed to express ourselves in court. I was kicked out a few times, so I guess you don't remember, but I wasn't allowed to go there. It was so bad that I wasn't remember who, but I couldn't go to my trial because I was out of control. It was a really small case. So my best friend went to prison. While he was in prison, they did some tests and discovered that he had HIV.

This person is like Jean Partain's drug addict. He's known for that. That's why he had the lead role. He was the masculine, it was a drug of choice, but after that, masculine, still hard to find in a daily way. There was a time when people in adolescence found it easy, but listen...

No, no, that's it, I'm not old like the masculine. That's the weird thing, that's it, it was hard to find when I was young. Wow, ten years ago, I remember, and that's it. You see, it was also I was young. It was a different time. It was one of my best. Did you call it a wha? It was whiz. It was whiz. It was whiz.

It was wha. It was with him that I tried all the drugs. I was going to say the fun drugs. All the more funky drugs. Ketamine, GH, MES, all those things, you know, we had fun. And we were really, really close. He helped me to an incredible point, this man. I tattooed him on my foot, and the tattoo that says, Fear is a liar. The fear is bullshit. I translated it in English because it's not beautiful. Your fears are bullshit, but that's what he said to me. Well, it's bullshit, it's not really French.

There's that, but it's the same thing he was telling me. Your fears are shit. What a little tattoo! Because, let's say, it didn't come back that I, at 16, I was terrorizing lightnings. If there were lightnings outside, I would hide under my bed. And then, Ben knew that if there were lightnings outside, he would take his car and go to our house.

He would get out of the bed. He would take me to the tower of the Atarí, which is the highest tower in Val d'Or, and he wouldn't let me go until I stopped screaming. He was like, your fears won't lead your life. It's not going to hurt you. Go away from your fears. And because of him, now that I hear a tone, I laugh. I think it's really beautiful. He healed me of my fears. We don't know this method. No, no, no.

It's like the kind of therapy by exposure, but tough love. He was always very tough with me. So he helped me a lot with this kind of thing. On the other hand, when he got out of prison and had his VH diagnosis, for him, life didn't count anymore. His life was no longer important. You understand?

He didn't drive a license, life was no longer important. He didn't drive a driver's license. When he went out of prison, he had a HIV diagnosis because he had a test in prison. So for him, his life was no longer important. He didn't heat up his license and he even said to me, It's okay, I'm flying, when I touch the glove, it wakes me up. I remember him telling me that at that time. His life was no longer important for him. The drug was really worse than it was. And then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then could have his scarf, but he needed a balloon in it. I sold my scarf.

I think it was still my name at that time. He said, I have to go to Rouen, which is like a 1 hour from Val d'Or, to get my balloon. Do you want to come with me? I said yes, but it was like at 7 o'clock in the morning. I'm a drug addict, but I don't get up at 7 o'clock in the morning. So I went straight this morning. He took his scarf, went to Rouen and on the way he fell into the lake and died that day. I was 7 years old. I got a call saying he died in my car, the car I was supposed to be in.

It brings back a lot of things. It brings back the fact that if I had gotten up, I would have been the one driving and it would have been okay. Or I might have died with it. I had never lost anyone at that time. It's the worst thing in the world to have a death around you. I wasn't ready. I didn't know. Not at all. I don't care. Seriously, I think it was a week, but at worst, a month. In a month, I let myself be the toxic chum with whom I was at that time. I stopped all the drugs and I moved to Montreal. I never took drugs again. They saved my life.

Without death, they saved my life. Because your region reminded you, everything reminded you of life? I said to myself, I'm going to die too. That's it. No, it really made me realize which way I was going. The path you were on. And I had too much potential to do that. Everything I wanted to do was go to school at that time.

And then, years after that in my life, everything was answered by the fact that I just want to go to school. That's all I want to do. I have my DEC, I have my BAC today. It saves my life. You arrive in Montreal? I arrive in Montreal. How does it happen?

The region's daughter in a big city? I had never tasted the anxiety of my life. I don't know if it was the suffrage. Or just feeling all alone in the world. Anyone who comes from a small city who moves to a big city can tell you that it's really scary. It's really scary. Because you comes from a small town, who moves to a big town, you could say,

it's really scary. It's really scary. Because you're away from everything you know. I've already lost my father. Can you hear me? I've gone far away from my father, from my mother. It was really tough. Even today, it's tough to be away from my parents. Yeah. At the time, you needed it.

I had to get out of here. I knew what was coming. It was hard to be away from my parents. At the time, you needed it. I had to get out of here. I knew what was coming. I had no conscience of the long-term consequences of my actions. Today, I realize it. It was really bad. I don't know how many fires I've done. It's a miracle I didn't do it in prison. It's because I was so young. It's really because I'm so young that...

You couldn't see yourself in the palace, so you can't stop. That's it! That's it! The biggest blessing in my life is that a file is erased at 18. That's the biggest blessing I've ever had. That's a subject that we're talking about, but it's not true. Oh no? Well, I checked and there's no trace. It depends on the situation, but that's it. To say that it's erased is a big word, but it's for sure... It would be more difficult to find, let's say.

Yeah, but it depends on the causes, it depends on the arrests. A small entrance by the house or a possession or something. Possession of explosives, let's say. Possession of explosives. You told me I was going to say something. Now I'm going to bring you back. I'm going to say things that no one knows except my mother. I'm going to tell her not to listen to that.

It's going to bring her back to places that are not possible. Poor mother, my mother, I'm not sure anyone knows except my mother. I'm going to tell her not to listen to this. It's going to take her to some places. Poor mother. My mother, I disappeared. While my father was in prison, I disappeared. She got a little crazy. She's an Italian mother, the mother of chickens. She just got a call like 1 am. We found your daughter. She was in a place where she slept on a bed on un litre qui est en dessous, était entreposé. Les explosifs, toute la drogue, tout ce qui avait à cacher en dessous de mon litre. À Le Bel sur Kivillon, que j'étais à ce moment-là, qui était à peu près à quatre heures dans le bout

devant le d'or. F***ing loin là. Je me suis retrouvée loin avec du monde pas fiable là. Ils se sont fait pogner, j'étais là. Ce qui m'a sauvée, c'est que j'ai compris, c'est qu'il y avait comme une lettre de fugue dans mon sac, I was there. What saved me, after what I understood, was that there was a letter of escape in my bag that I had never given to my mother. She had no explanation. So I don't know why.

In any case, they treated me like they treated those two there, that they had spent time there, who were in the house too. So it was like a young girl on the run, who had bad places, bad places to go. Yes, that's it. All I remember is spending like 8 hours in a kind of waiting room, with a bad place, bad time. Yes, that's it. All I remember is spending eight hours in a waiting room, but I can't get out of there, it's like I was in a cell like the others. But in my opinion, they don't have three cells. So the two of them were in a cell, the young one was there with the pamphlets.

I swear I read all the pamphlets they had in that room for eight hours. I was going crazy. The others called my mother, they came to pick me up. Oh my God, it's a saint. It's a saint, my mom. I'm going to buy her a house when I'm going to be rich. She deserves it, everyone. She's always been there with too much love. Too much love.

I was born in love. Oh no, not too much. I know too many people who didn't have enough. Her love suffocated me and that's what made me move away. But today I'm really happy because having been so problematic that I was, I can't imagine if I had bad parents. You understand? I'm not sure.

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I can't imagine if I had had bad parents. You understand? Exactly. I get it. I can't imagine. You said that, it suffocated you, but at the same time, imagine if you hadn't had that frame of mind, that love. I wouldn't be there. Do you want to know how much I wouldn't be there? Today, when we talk, in all my friends' gags, I can't name one that's not dead. They're all dead. In every era of this era.

There's one more. There's one that died last year. The year before, they all died from something. Overdose, suicide. There's always something that happens. They're all gone. It's incredible when you think about it. I was just hanging out with guys. There's a girl who died. She was all guys. All my friends from when I was a teenager are dead. It's incredible when I thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just thinking about it. I was just I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that. So, honestly, his life didn't lead me to much, Ben.

But I see him as my savior. 100%. What do you do when you go to Montreal? I go to school. I finish my high school, then I go to Ségép, and then I go to college. In what? That's it, I can't say.

I say everything about myself, but that's the point I can't say. That's the only thing. I say everything about myself, but that's the point I can't say because it would be too easy to find my identity if I say what I studied. It's really about protection. We'll say it because Sonia van Sascher, who is your name on Instagram and everywhere, is not your real name. No, otherwise it would be really cool like Renaud. I'm Italian, I'm not German. That's what's weird. I've already heard you. You've already talked about reason. I think it's the open couple, if I'm not mistaken. I've talked about a couple of things. For example, the origin of your name. It's a 16th century author whose name is drawn from Masochism.

So you can't talk about it. Just because it would be too easy to find. Perfect. Your true identity would be too easy to find. Exactly. It's the only thing I'm not talking about. If we want to see your true identity, you have to be a police officer, you have to stop for a stop, and then we'll see the real one. Yeah, kind of.

It's not easy, but it's the agents. Stop me, the police officers. It's another thing. It's my own problems. So you go back to the case, so you fall back. But the first years, anxiety, like, anxiety crisis, I fell into it without knowing it, I was on my way to dinner and woke up a couple of hours later. Anxiety, like an anxiety crisis. I fell unconscious, I had dinner and woke up a couple of hours later. Anxiety, crazy.

And I don't think it was the drug smuggling at that time. It was really, you know, the death of my friend, the fact of finding myself in a city that I didn't know. And taking a metro or a bus. There's nothing like that in Habitibi. I'm completely lost. How do you pay for your studies? At that time, I tear them apart. I remember very well going to the food bank, which is fucking far away from us, with a kind of suitcase, which lacks a wheel on it, so the frame in wood is dragging on the ground on the sidewalk.

To feel poor, you feel poor in this style. And eating food, I have so many food restrictions, but I had nothing else. I even have pictures of that. When I came back from the food market, I was filling my fridge. I was taking pictures of my fridge, like it was a photo shoot. It made me so happy to have the fridge full of food. It's rare, the people of my age who live in Canada, who felt what at the end.

More than you think, I think. Well, I think so. I should listen more to your... Unfortunately, I don't know a lot of people who really felt that. I had a 9-year-old kid who was going to go to the grocery store to feed him and his 5-year-old brother. His parents aren't there and they're going to be kidnapped. Yeah, oh fuck. No, no, no, that's it. Sometimes we... And it's not to...

No, no, no, no. In our world, let's say. I'm never sure. It's the podcast. There are a lot of people who have... It's a thousand times worse than me. It's for sure. Unfortunately, there are too many. Yeah, really.

And the food banks, they're having so much trouble right now. People who work 40 hours a week and who need to go to the food bank. It's absurd. Completely absurd. Well, no. 75 bucks a week, we can do grocery shopping, according to the government. That's it. That's it, completely absurd. Well no, 75$ a week, we can do grocery shopping, according to the government.

Yes, that's it. And Chris. And do you finish your university course? We don't know what you're going to work in. I have a Cégep, first. I do my Cégep. I was at the Cégep when I bought my food bank. As I told you, everything I wanted to do was go to school.

I was the first in my family to do post-secondary studies. All I was was to be a student. I put my obsession in there for years. I was the first in all my fucking classes. But that means not sleeping at night, studying like a crazy girl to be the best, because if I lost 1% in a class for one reason or another, I would cry.

It was not easy. Oh yeah, it was not easy. It was really not easy. In my Spanish classes, you had to choose better than the Spanish speakers, otherwise I didn't accept it. You understand? It was really all I had. That's it. It was all I had. It was school. Oh yeah, I still have it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and a control freak. I'm really the same with everything that makes me the success I am today,

but I work really hard. I've always worked really hard. So I'm trying to get jobs on the side, but in the meantime, I'm so TDA. It takes me a thousand times more time to get to the same level as the others. It takes me a million times more time to be the best in my classes. And that's all that was my value at that time. You defined yourself by your grades. 100%. 100%. That was all I was. So I had the trouble of finding a job. I had the trouble of finding time to get a job.

I tried to get one, but it didn't work. And then I had a stock market. And if I worked, I would lose stock markets. It was really a situation. Food banks, eating really shitty food for a long time, I was really pissed. And then, I discovered that I was sitting on a gold mine. That's how I explain it. I'm sorry. No, no, it's correct. It's correct.

I discovered what sugar babies are. Sugar baby, OK. A lot of escort, that's how it started, sugar babies. I'm sure a lot of people in sexual exploitation, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay. Sugar Baby, okay.

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but I was so happy to have money that I was counting it non-stop. You know, it was cash money. I was like, I was counting it non-stop, it made me feel good, because I had never had any. And after that, I had the New Rich syndrome, which I call it. Money goes and comes so quickly that... I swear, I had been eating shit for so long that I ate chicken at the bar every day. I had an Indian restaurant not far from us, and there was some good chicken at the bar.

And then all of a sudden I was like, make it rain. I ate chicken at the bar, I took like 15 pounds really not long because I was like... You had grown your beard. Yes, exactly. I grew up in Mendeur. But the concept of sugar baby, we know the term sugar lady, so it's someone who's going to pay a younger girl to accompany her everywhere. So the girl is what we call a sugar baby. It's a word of the word to say an escort that has no protection. I'm counting on the sugar baby because in the meantime... Sugar baby. In the meantime, I have a lot of security layers today that I would have never had in that time.

In the meantime, first of all, today, okay, I'm a professional carrier escort. There is a client who is not correct, mean, time-waster, all kinds of reasons. I blacklist him. In the meantime, this client, if he is blacklisted and he can't see any escort in town, he will go where you think, on the Sugar Baby sites. See younger, more impressive girls who have no way of knowing that this guy is a bad guy. That's why I don't like that.

Without protection, you're not talking about security. Because when you talk about no protection... You think I'm talking about condoms? No, no, no, no. That's why it's so hard for me. Without protection, it's like your partner. No, no, no, no. On the Chico Baby sites,

guys will try harder to remove the condom. There's a woman at home, but they don't want to put, but on the shows of Chico Baby, the guys are really going to try to get rid of the condom, precisely. They have a woman at home, but they don't want to put condoms on with you. You're really fighting more with that today. As an escort, after years, I think a person came up to me who even mentioned getting rid of the condom. And I said no, respectfully, when he left the door, I decided I would never see him again. But I'm lucky, still there.

I'm on my little cloud of privileges and I'm totally aware of it, Cédric. It's really not a majority who has the chance to live with me. That situation doesn't reflect 90% of... Not at all. And I would even add that I'm totally aware that coming to talk about this, my Instagram, my podcast, Fille de Joie, we're going to have a lot of escorts, a lot of sex workers there, but not just sex workers, by the way, you're really welcome to come when you want. I'd love to.

The Fille de Joie who come there and everything, all say that we can maybe glamorize this work. I don't agree with the term glamorize, but in the meantime, we could maybe normalize that for some people who will have the taste to do it, but who will fall for the bad people. I'm aware of that. In the meantime, it's a reality that exists, and I'm not invalidated by the bad experiences. And my side of the coin, we hear it less often. I consider that I prefer to have someone who comes to talk about it at the risk of giving life, as you said a little bit,

but at least not to do... It doesn't exist! Exactly, because that doesn't help the girls who do it against their will. It's hidden in the room, saying it doesn't exist, it won't happen to my daughter. No, no. Exactly. Exactly. It's better to see someone who speaks about it openly and say, if you're going to go there, I don't advise you, but if you're going there, be careful. There are enormous risks. I understand. I wouldn't want my daughter to do that.

Like I wouldn't want my daughter to go to the army. For the same reasons. It's a mistake that I see. In the meantime, it's a job that a very small minority of the world can do in a healthy and balanced way, as I do. There are a lot of risks. At the end of the day, you're often with guys as big as you, a little girl like me, alone in a place, all alone. There are risks to that. You never know what's going to happen.

How many stories do we hear about news dead escort? That's a reality. Speaking about it like I do, it's going to help both the luxury escort who doesn't want to get raped, the girl who works on the corner of the street, the 16-year-old girl who has a pimple. What I'm saying today, it's going to help all of that.

It's not true that I'm here to say become all whores. Let's see. On the contrary, I advise no one to do this job because there are so many risks. There are so many risks. I like it, but it's really for minorities. It's not true that it's easy money.

It's really not true. I was just asking the question, did you, you know, how did you do that? I'm all alone, there, I sit, the sugar baby. I discovered at Dr. Phil that it existed. The American show, there was a show about sugar babies. Excuse me, did you want to say?

No, no, no, I'm sorry. Go ahead, go ahead. I discovered that it existed. I was still in a relationship with my ex in Montreal. And it stuck in my head. And the moment we broke up, I opened up a account on it. And I thought it was pretty cool. But it's sure that it mirrors the story of you go to a restaurant with rich and powerful guys,

and they give you money for almost nothing. It's a bit sure that it mirrors you. In the meantime, I'm a fully open-minded person, it doesn't bother me to have sex with them. But there are a lot of people who will go on this site thinking that it's just your time, your beautiful eyes for gifts. No, it's sex for money. We will stop putting our heads together.

He's going to be afraid throughout the meal. He's going to be careful towards you, but at the end of the line, there's an expectation. He wants his sex. Yes, yes, yes. Exactly. In fact, Sugar Baby, it never happened that it was just for my beautiful eyes, for my time. Escort has happened to me more often. Especially since I'm in public life. It looks like people are going to book me to fuck me. I think it's really cool.

But it's sex for money. Stop messing around. So I started this website and I just wanted money. I thought it didn't even work. I had sex with people I didn't get along with. I would have liked to have sex with them if there was no money in play. And I got traumatized. OK. In the center, are there any stories at that time that... Were you scared?

No. Did you have situations where... No. Because you were traumatized, or traumatized because... I was traumatized because I was like... Seeing that I was sleeping with that person, but I wasn't paying for it, you know? At that time, that was it.

You had exceeded your limits, and now you don't pay for it. Yes, 100%. I wanted to give them a good service that we didn't call a service at the time. We were all lying. It's not sex work at the baby's, but it's solid. On the contrary, it's sex work in some more dangerous ways than what I do today. Because you're so... I guess the client becomes so emotionally involved that it becomes difficult to break up. There's the impression that you have rights over you. Yes, there's the impression that you belong to it.

There's the impression that you have rights over you. You're younger, more impressive. There's the impression that it can take more of you. In the end, guys, this one is cheap clients. It's people who will want, people who will have less rules, limits, whether this one are cheap clients. They're people who will want, people who will have less rules, limits, whether it's sexual or time, for as little money as possible.

That's what it is. That's it. I don't encourage anyone to do that. In the meantime, I wasn't aware that it was hell. And then, well, now I have a date with a sugar daddy who fell in love. Ok. Yeah.

And we got engaged. And I stopped for a few years. The Pretty Woman style, a little bit... Solid. Like so much. Well, I wasn't a street skater, but... In fact, a mix of Pretty Woman and 50 Shades of Grey. Ok.

That was the relationship. Without the BDSM side, but more on the powerful side. The powerful side. Yeah, that's it. So, beautiful apartment, beautiful life, etc. After that, it becomes super controlling. I don't know if we can talk about it for too long. You don't need to do it because he...

He doesn't want me to do it. ...and he has enough money. He pays you like he does, but... That's what he was supposed to do. That's what he was supposed to do. I mean, he pays you enough so you didn't need to make other clients. No, but he was just a very, very toxic man. I thought I was going to have a good life, his apartment was really nice, his beautiful condo and everything.

But in the end, it was totally toxic and I gave him my hand. A golden cage. And that's when I decided that I would never depend on a man ever again. Like I needed to pay him to have money. Like, not pay him, you know? Like, when I stopped being Sugar Baby, I had false nails. And when I couldn't be Sugar Baby anymore, it was because my nails were so long that I was taking anything and they were bending.

Like, you can't understand, but girls will understand. When they got so long, you take anything and it bends and't hurt at all. It looks like you just lifted a nail. I was like, what am I supposed to do? Chris, help me. But I had to ask him all the time. It doesn't make sense. And then, after that, big financial control too, because it was really a game of power with that. I made less money than him, so all my money went into his account. And he gave me his credit card and all the expenses went to the common credit card.

You understand, but he checked each scene, which was super unhealthy, really unhealthy. To the point that I was a super good student, I was still studying. And I kept on winning excellence bursaries. I kept on winning them. It was all the time. And it went straight into his account. Because he pays for everything. Good job, good reputation, a part of a big business. Was it a hidden relationship?

No, super open. He even asked my mother if he could ask me for my hand, and big deal. Big deal. Yeah. So, now... He asked me the other time, I said, how is this annoying already? There's a couple of days, I wonder, the other time, how did it get so bad already? There's a couple of days, I don't even know 100% how it happened, but I know it was him who let me. He gave me back my freedom, as they say. We spent a couple of weeks getting married.

You know, Le Pen, I know you've never had to deal with pimps, but you know, the fact that you don't sleep with someone, but it really looks like a... It was a sexual relationship. It was a relationship like that, except that he didn't necessarily sleep with other people, but you know, it's a bit... Exactly. No, on the contrary, he wouldn't have wanted me to sleep with other people. It was a situation of control, you know. Yeah. There was control over you, but without selling yourself.

Yeah, yeah. I had sexual control at the bottom too. A year ago, I had to... I wanted to have a vibrator, you know. I wanted to have a vibrator a good beating. I wanted to give a good beating. And I had to sell it to pharmacies. There were some vibrators that sold at pharmacies. I had to sell it to pharmacies to get some kind of shampoo or whatever on credit card and I kept it really well at home. Because I forgot to have a...

It would have been a bad price to have a vibrator. I'm not enough for you. He would have found something. He would have found something. It was just super unhealthy. So that's it. Since then I've been the engine. It's been a long time. Yes, there is the trauma of that, but also the fact that I never

needed to be with a guy or a girl. I never needed it, but that was clearly it. I know there are nice relationships, but even that, I don't want it. That's right. The day, and I had the time, it lasted two years. I had the time during that time to rethink everything I had done before,

like Shake a Baby for a few months. And then, when we left, I was like, I want to go back, but I'm going to have one rule, but I'm going to have one rule, ma'am, that I'm going to apply to all of them. I'm not going to do anything that I wouldn't have done if there was no money. You understand? It's a draconian rule. Okay, so what I would do with a guy or a girl, whatever, what I would do with someone if that person didn't pay me for the pleasure, you know? If someone pays me, I don't exceed my limit.

Yes, that's it. If I hadn't had the reflex to sleep with that person on Tinder, I wouldn't sleep with him for money. Okay. Yes. That's what made me not make a lot of money, you know? No, but that's what I meant. But in the meantime, I'm still a person who clearly has a sex dependence. You know, the nymphoman or whatever, that'm a person who clearly has a sex dependence. You have to say that. The nymphomaniac or whatever, it's a real diagnosis that exists. That's why I wanted to get a vibrator.

It's always been my dopamine, since I don't take drugs. It's the orgasms. That's why I'm in the best job in the world for me. I join the useful to the pleasant in this style. I've already spoken with girls who do it by choice, and they told me, it's impossible to have fun. Impossible with a client to have fun. Did they tell you why? Because there are many reasons. I don't think it was conversations like that.

Because it can be that you're too in service mode to let yourself go for your pleasure. It takes years before you to really have fun. I'm not as deep as that. No, even if I work regularly, I don't even need sex in my personal life. It really completes that, the intimate, sexual level. I mean, it means that you're going to ask for a picture of the person who's going to contact you, if you don't want to, people are going to delete their Facebook, their stuff, We call that screening. I have a lot of steps before I can book my screening. When it started, from the beginning, let's say after the post, Sugar Baby,

and he passes it with him, it's a project that you were inspired by from that moment. Not the photos and everything. But yes, because I was afraid of getting traumatized like I did in the last month. But if someone called you, you would come to their place and you would say, no, it won't happen. We were jarring a lot before. I was sure it was someone I had an affinity with

and who interested me physically. So you were trying to find elements that would make you able to do it? Because if I say to myself, he's a 70-year-old man, he's in his twenties... It didn't happen because at that time, that's not what attracted me. How do you know when someone contacts you? Well, on the Sugar Baby websites, you can see the person... Because you went back to the Sugar Baby website directly. I would never have been...

It wasn't an ad, it wasn't... No, that's right, because at that time, it was inconceivable for me to knock on a door, and the person who opens it, I have to sleep with. For that, it was inconceivable in my head. I really had to develop something with the person and see what was going on. That was when I was in that time. In the meantime, any escort will tell you that as soon as you do this job, it goes fast, this thing of appearance and everything,

because you realize that it's really not the most beautiful with whom you have the most beautiful moments. It's really not the case. It's not the youngest. And I imagine it's rarely the most beautiful who call out to... I have plenty. Yeah? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. In a stereotype, maybe, to say, beautiful man, he doesn't need it. You go to a bar after 10 minutes, you lose a girl.

On the contrary, no, no, no. They are hot, my clients. We're talking about today. They're in me here. So, yeah. I don't want to normalize or glamorize, but I'm really deeply in love with my job. The proof is that I put everything in my job. I have all the skills in the world.

I can do what I want. I have my podcast at this time. I can really live off of that if I want. It's my choice to do that because I have fun. And it's going to be years that I'm waiting for the moment when I'll have no more fun that if I want to. It's my choice to do that because I have fun. And it's going to be years that I'm waiting for the moment when I don't have fun. It doesn't happen. I have fun, it gives me adrenaline. The before date, the afterglow, after that, I really like doing that.

It's my favorite end of the six jobs I have at the moment. I have to take care of it. But, you know, I really want to add an accent on that because you're not alone. You have a team with you, your professionals. You know, because the way it looks, it's cool. You know I'm doing cash, cool. Life is beautiful, I'm just with beautiful men. OK, yeah, no.

What are we talking about? In the meantime, by doing this job that I'm so passionate about, I'm lucky every day to get killed. You know what we're talking about? To get beaten, to beaten up? Do you have an idea how scary that is? It's terrifying. Every time an escort gets killed, that it comes out of the news, and it's always the hooker, the prostitute, etc. The number that gets beaten up and we don't even hear about it. Exactly. Every time a child comes out of the same...

The girls will lie if they say they don't consider their life choices. Because it's scary what happens. I'm not sheltered. No one is sheltered from that. You charge $1,000, $2,000, you're not sheltered from that. From a crazy, from a regular who gets too attached, from a new client who just wants to hurt you. It's a very dangerous job, so it's not true that it's just beautiful and everything. I'm extremely lucky. I've never had a rape in my entire life. And I know I really have a dodge bullet. Did you have situations where you were afraid, for example?

Of situation X? To be sexually assaulted. Or you end up in a situation where you're really not comfortable. You're supposed to be a guy, you're four when you get there. I've heard a lot of stories, a lot of stuff. The guy arrives with a Molotov cocktail and the fire crackles in his in-car. I've heard that. Yeah. Because the agency stole the girl from another agency.

And the guy wanted to scare her, etc. He pointed guns at her, said, wait, we're going to close down his agency. While I was in an agency, we're walking through time, while I was in an agency, the other agencies were what was happening, it was scary. It happens all the time, the same offers.

I'm in a lot of chat groups, from escort, whether it's in Montreal, Quebec, in other cities, and the stories I hear today, I was parked in the front and there was a girl who was telling the story that she had, I wanted to hug her. It happens all the time. So you are a group of girls who do this job, and I imagine that there is a kind of list of clients who are like, don't touch. It seems. Oh, you don't have it?

I don't have the right to talk about it. Not too much. It could be that it exists. It could be that it exists. It could be that it exists. Perfect. It would be a good thing that it exists. But if it exists, it's illegal. Do you understand how it's a law? Okay, yeah.

If we organize ourselves, if we have whatever it looks like, a coalition, all of a sudden, it's illegal what we do. If I hire staff to help me, whether it's for booking, for my protection, whether it's a driver, who really has a lot of my protection, or the driver, who is really a big protection when you're a driver. Everyone there, in the eyes of the law, are proxenetics. Even if it's me who pays, even if it's me who clears, if I want to clear, it's me who engages them.

They work for you. They work for me. But on paper, they're proxenetics. In the meantime, I'm not saying that you have to legalize proxenetism. I'm saying that the law is hypocritical and that it shouldn't be done the way it is. Because my client is illegal. We haven't talked about it yet, but my specialty is clients in a situation of disability. That's it. I wasn't going to come there, but we can go.

We can go. No, no, no, no. We're losing ourselves in the timeline. I'm sorry, by the way, I'm in a rush. I love him a lot. I'm sorry for the little sounds. It's a podcast that you didn't think would make you cry. I'll come back in a moment because I talked about agency and all that.

I'll come back on the handicapped too, but I know it's not there that it happens. Where we are at, I'm talking. And it's also part of the reasons why you're here. Yes. Sugar Baby, you say, OK, I do this, I don't want to go beyond my limits, with such a person, or I don't know your limits, I don't want to know them, it's not the place either. But let's say you say, I have this, it's no, for me, not with extra, maybe no. You say no, it's no.

That's it. If there is something in common, sex workers who do that, of their full free will, we need to put the difference there, is that we have a draconian respect for our limits. And whether it's in our personal life, you can even see it in their personal life how much we put our limits in a non-negotiable way, because it's the only way to do it in the long run without traumatizing yourself. There are too many people who stay in this job for too long.

And when do you go from a Sugar Baby site to an agency? I meet a Sugar Daddy. Because an agency, I go there, I go from me and probably from what everyone thinks, an agency is organized cream. It's pimps. And everyone tells me not to say that, I get angry to go ahead and do it. I have enough experience with the agencies. They all have some kind of protection against organized crime. There's someone with a cut somewhere. If you look at the first podcasts I did, I'm more nuanced on that. It's not that I'm untouchable, but I'm pretty untouchable.

I'm going to go ahead and do it. It's not true that there are not even the most luxurious agencies in Montreal, I've never heard of horror stories with their bosses. So, to follow me for defamation, I'm going to call them pimps. You don't have to call them pimps, they don't call you a fool. But basically, it's just to say, let's say... But how do I know why you want an agency? Between Sugar Baby and agents, why do you want an agency?

I tell a story about Sugar Daddy. I get to the bar, I sit down, and he puts his ID card on the table. He says, take a picture and send it to the right person. The guy understood that there was someone waiting to know if I was correct or not. We called it a security check. So he already gained my trust. He takes me to parties, to business, and he introduced me to Chum. I know that she has an escort agency. She's a young girl, 90 pounds.

At least, not 90, but you know. She looks normal. You don't understand what I expected from an escort or from an agency owner. She had an agency that was specialized in fetishes, in BDSM. And I think it's a very cool gift. I'm a huge fan of travel. I traveled to 40 or 50 countries. I'm not stopping there. At that time, the money I made was used to travel. As soon as the session was over, I went back to my camp and I came back the day the school started.

It's really my passion, the backpack. Where did we go? The agency, the girl, traveling. When I was traveling, I was in the Red Light District in Amsterdam, in St. Pauli in Hamburg, in Germany, which is like the Red Light District in Germany. Did you go to see or to work? I went to visit, but I was very fascinated by what they do. That's where curiosity really went up.

I was really fascinated by what they do. So as soon as I met the others, I met a couple of these girls who work for the agency, it was a thrill in my head. At that time, the young blonde, we were having sugar babies together. So as soon as I met them, I met a couple of these girls who work for the agency, it hit me in the head. At that moment, I have a blonde. We do baby sugar together. We didn't know we were doing escort tours because we didn't call it that, but now we went from a city, we went to Toronto, we went to Boston, we went to Paris, we rented

a room from my hotel over there, everyone on our phone in the bed, we text people and we ended up finding baby sugars, baby sugars, and we make calls without saying that they are calls because we don't know at that moment that it is. That's why it's important to talk about it because people are too much the distinction between baby shakers and escorting. It's the same thing. So I'm like Chris, I'm going backpack take a little more money for this trip. It's getting on my nerves. Now I text the girl from the agency and I say, I'd like to try it, but I'm sure I'll be the worst escort in the world. I really want to know everything about the person before I see her. I want to know what it looks like, I'm sure I'll be the worst,

but if you're ready to try me, I might try you. And she's like, hey, yes, I've always wanted a role in my agency. And she's all happy. She's like, OK, you're ready to try me, I might try you. And she's like, hey, yes, I've always wanted a girl in my agency. And she's all happy. She's like, okay, we're going to have a meeting, choose a name. Okay, so Sonia is the slasher. Actually, no, I wasn't able to choose a name because I love my name so much. So I wasn't able to.

Every time, my ex, all night we checked baby name sites to find a name. Every time I was in the car with her. It's like a wrong rapper. It's the only place names to find a name. Every time I was in the community... It's like a wrong rapper. It's weird, but it's the only place you can find a name. And every time she came up with a name she thought was pretty, I didn't think it was pretty, vice versa. We named 40,000 names in a row, and I was no longer able to hear those names. I get to my interview in a good one, the interview goes on and on,

and at the end she tells me, what's the name you chose? I'm like, hey, I know it's not professional, but I don't know. His business partner was next to me, he looked at me and said, Sonia, I'm like, if we're going to take this, I'm going to do it for three weeks. It's funny that I said that. I left three weeks later. For me, it was, I do the three-week escort, I leave with more money, and during my five-month trip, I reflect on it, see if I made the right move, if I respected myself, if it was a good thing for me, etc.

And without even the intention of doing it again even if I had said at the beginning that I would do it again. Because at that moment, it's not a long-term career plan. No, no, no. You're going to work in that, in what you said. Yes, that's it. And I'm still in college. I'm not even there at all. I'm just... It's fun. It makes me live the best experiences.

At that time, I had already made several trips with guys. It was fun. So there. It made me live some great experiences. At that time, I had already made several trips with guys. It was fun. I started with her agency. My first date was picture perfect. She knew it. She sent me with the most beautiful girl in the agency she knew I wanted to sleep with,

in the most beautiful hotel in Montreal, to have a perfect threesome. Everything was perfect. And I know it was planned in his head to give me the opportunity to do it. In the end, it's going really well, but three weeks to do it. With the agency?

With the agency. You still have protection, security, it comes with a record. I'm in a very beautiful agency that is run by a woman who was a foreman. Sincerely, the girls were going before the money. That's really the big fault of agencies. There's nothing going before the money,

even if they say that the girls are going before. It's not true. The proof is that the agency failed. It's because those girls counted a lot more than the money. You understand? So, I spend three weeks going on a trip. While I'm on a trip, I miss it. I miss that. If I was on a trip, I miss it. I miss it. If I had never thought of that, I get bored.

You miss the job. I miss the job. All the experiences I've had, it was a BDSM agency, so everything was different because it was all the time a role play, a threesome, an experience BDSM. We had a glory hole in our tent, the hole you have. Oh, I know what a Glory Hole is. I see, it could have been.

It made me live a lot of things, I who was so experimental at the sexual level. I was tripping my life, after three weeks. I'm going on a long trip, I come back, I start again. Not long after that, I hear talking, hey,, you won the Esquadra of the Year. I was like, what? What is this? There's a contest? What is this? I don't understand what it is. I won, I didn't even know the contest existed. Maybe a week before, I didn't know it existed.

Esquadra of the Year and Recru of the Year. Rookie of the Year. In Montreal, there's a forum, a review board. That's where people write reviews on the world. And each year, they vote for categories. Rookie of the Year, Rookie of the Year, Agency of the Year, and Independent of the Year. Because all these things are the agencies' fault.

And they tell me I won. Rookie of the Year, and Rookie of the Year. Not only did I win, I have 3 times more votes than number 2. I don't understand what's going on. I don't understand what's going on. I just had fun. You understand? I didn't understand what I was doing. Do you still exist?

Yes, 100%. I've been feeling this for a long time. I've been feeling this for a long time. I feel a little unhealthy. I don't agree with the moral of this. I don't know how much it's in don't know how much it's necessary. Especially the Adé recruit, I would tell you. I don't know if it exists in the United States.

It's Evian, it's happening right now. It's like Evian, but from the Montréal escorts. Yes, it still exists. But it makes me say, I thought I was the big one. I didn't understand the extent of what I was doing, what I was really doing to make people feel special and to change people's lives.

That's where I saw the upside of sex work. I saw a lot of interviews with the traitors who say, listen, 80% of our job is to talk. We're more psychologists than sexual objects. Yes, yes. And the world would be surprised how little sex there is in my day. Even if I'd like to have a little more sex in it. Sometimes...

Sometimes I'm like, we have to move okay, we'll change it later. But that's me! Yeah, that's right. I knew who I was getting. That's right, that's right. I'm assuming. You've been warned. Maybe it's rough, we're different elsewhere. I knew who I was getting.

And what's cool is that I'm fucking authentic in there. I could really hide those bits because it's a bit too contrasting with the world you received. That's why you're there. I wanted another way of getting there. It's not to glorify it far from there, it's to have another version. It's just me who's very true right now with you. I just said things I've never said anywhere. So I realized at that time that I wasn't just trying to get rid of my balls. I was trying to figure out what was more important than that. And that sex can really be a vector of something more powerful than that.

I realized that I really had a gift which is an ill-advised empathy that I have. Today I have a diagnosis that we can talk about later that explains this empathy. I feel the other people's affairs, I'm a sponge and that's what makes me feel more troubled. But that makes me feel more at in my life right now. So, Sounia and judgment, it's not two words that make up one.

I'm still able to judge people, but I'm able to feel how they feel. No, but you're not going to judge someone by their appearance. Oh, I like it. No, on the contrary. Because you have a handicap or things like that. Oh no, no, that's it. There's a very good friend of yours that I know well, who is Alain Godet, among others,

with whom I know you spend a lot of time. Yes, it's my big love thing. You call me my big thing. That's it. He wouldn't answer, it's in the time of beauty, right? But I think it's the most beautiful thing. You know Alain Godet, but you know Mike Ward. Mike Ward does a show every year to raise funds.

He's someone who is heavily disabled. Yes, he's the most disabled. I like him, he's a guy who has a crazy open mind. That's why we're in the world. On his... his state, basically. But that's it. I know I'm making a story about you with him. I don't know. Did you see what he gave me at Christmas?

No, no. He gave me a necklace in the shape of an angel's wing. And it's a urn. It's to put his ashes. When he goes... The most beautiful gift I've ever had in my life. He gave me a necklace to put his ashes. Damn. It's so beautiful.

And because he's dumb, you know his kind of humor. While waiting for him to die, he put some hair in it. And he told me, if you commit a crime, just do it, and I'll be the one to pass for tonight. I think it's going to be funny. That's it, that's Alain. That's it, that's Alain. That's why we like each other. We really have a fucking same humor. But when you come back from a trip, that's it. I realize that there is really something that I do, and I start to have really regular regulars.

And I realize that I really changed lives. And for the world who is not aware of the work of adult and consenting sex, I will clarify, it doesn't come to their mind that I say I changed lives, but there is never anyone who will take that away from me. From the world that loses its books, that completely changes their lives because they just realized that there is more than the kind of… Mal… Mal…

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it's the kind of thing that I live to help. That's what changes my life, and that's why my career is different from the others. So you dive into this journey, that you dive into your job. And I work. I didn't get anything for this price. I worked. I have to say. It's people who saw me, who voted.

It's voting to verify. You can't just create accounts to make votes. It's really people who have been participating in forums for a long time who can vote. And you manage to do it by respecting them all the time? Yes. Because I really have a good boss who understands a lot. In fact, it's not negotiable, but the limit. And everyone has their limit.

And in that agency, there was no extra. So it's not like, if I make 40 extra pieces, I'll maybe... It's like, here's what I'm offering. There's no extra for that, but it's not like... An anal, it's more money. It's an anal. If I give... If I offer anal, I offer anal. Otherwise, you know, there was no extra. There's no negotiation when you're...

No, that's it. A negotiator, never. A escort, never, never, never. They never take well. So I really enjoy doing that. Oh no, that's it. Let's say for example, a super stupid limit. There's a customer coming in, he makes me vaguely think of my father. After that, he leaves, I tell the agent, I don't want to see him anymore. Why?

He's super hungry, but he makes me think of my father, I don't want to see him anymore. In another agent, it wouldn't have happened. But they won't ask me, OK Sonia, you don't want to see him anymore? We'll take it off your list. That's it. That's it. So it really showed me that there was a way to do it in a better way. Seemingly. Seemingly.

Yes. As sanely as possible in an agency that... You know, we won't lie to ourselves there. The only thing you know about the person who will knock on the door is that he has a cell phone or a courier address. There's no screening, there's nothing. I could have really put myself in danger often. We are protected, but there's a limit to that. It's not you and not you and the boss.

In two days, I'm going to celebrate my six years of my business. It's been six years that I'm the boss. What makes you move from the agency to yourself? You just said it's going to be six years. What makes you move from the agency to yourself? My agency is failing. Okay, because if you were earlier, the girl was so close to her girls, less close to her sons, that the profitability was less enough.

I was so loyal to my agency, I always said, Sonia is born with the agency, Sonia will die with the agency. Sonia, not me, Sonia. I never would have worked for another agency, and I really didn't see myself... I remind you that I'm very AED. It's administration, it's not in my head. I have to build myself from scratch. I was still... yes, I was still in college. It was impossible.

It was impossible. I had to close the agency to become independent. Meanwhile, the prices in an agency don't go up. That's what I didn't tell you. The year after, I won the score of the year again. Twice in a row. It's ridiculous the money I was making. I thought it was money in the STI, but I knew that becoming independent

would make it easy for me to double what I was doing. Except that you don't have the protection anymore. I didn't arrange it for myself. You don't have someone to do your calendar. I still have more protection today than I had at that time. You're fighting against your team. Yes, that's it. Did theDA in you quickly understood that it took people. Yeah, oh yeah.

From day one, I had an assistant and I had protection, always. And in my business, I do it in a way. And I'm sure I could tell you everything I do for my security layers. But my first security layer is not to say what it is. Not to say what your security layer is, 100%. But I'm still a sensor. I'm going to ask you a question. Maybe you don't have the answer.

If someone is on the internet, whatever the sites are, I don't want to name them. There's one very popular, Google, and they do research. But are you independent? How does someone who says, I want, I have a need,

I don't want to fall on a girl who doesn't do it, I want to fall on a girl like you who does it by herself, I don't have the means to pay Sonia, how do I know? Is it written, is there an independent? No, it's shit. How do you know that the girl is not obliged, that there not like someone is taking their cash and it's not forced. I often asked myself that question. I don't have the answer, but what's flat is that when you say I don't have the budget, it's often when you're going to hide your eyes a little bit, to cover your eyes on the fact that you're not there for the right reasons.

We don't know who has a pimple, even I don't know. I have friends who, during a bout, I was like, okay, now we have a girl who got raped, she said she's a client and everything, and then I understand that there's a chum behind it, and that the chum, all of a sudden, by chance, he arrived at the right moment. There are stories that we hear, and then I'm like, oh, she has a pim, I didn't even know. But even then, we never know.

And in the meantime, I don't have a story close to me. So there's no way either, other than you. There's no way to know for sure. 100% with the girl. There's no website for that. They can all be on the same sites. There's no way to know. And even if it doesn't protect you, you don't know. But the more you go with someone with a good reputation,

who seems to be taking care of his social media, who has social media first of all, and there are still lots of girls who has a good reputation, who seems to be taking care of his social media, who has social media primarily. And then there are lots of girls who don't have pimps, but who don't have the resources to do it the way we do it. It doesn't mean anything. In the meantime, it's for sure that... In any case, I don't know any girls who have pimps and who charge $800. So maybe it can help you be sure to do it morally. In the meantime, I have a website called Loveable, which is a website that lists all sex workers in Montreal and elsewhere

who are open, disability-friendly, who are open to having people in a handicap situation. I screened these people, and even there I can't tell you if there are one or two who have pimples. I don't know, I can't go to a hairdresser. It's a point flip. Sometimes they hide really well, and often it's the chum don't know, I can't go to a hairdresser. He's a pointy tip. Sometimes he hides really well, and often it's the chum, you know, the same things. So you really can't know it in the meantime.

You can't always give it to him. You know, I have clients who have been to see me, they tell me the story, who have been to see the girl. And then you realize that it's shady, your business. And it's flat to say, but if you want to go see escorts and you really have a small budget, don't do it, because you're showing your songs in a curse, and you say, well, someone did it for the wrong reasons.

Who doesn't do it for them. Who doesn't do it for them. Who doesn't do it for them. Who does it by choice. That's it. Exactly. That there is someone who controls and who takes the money. We can never know. And that's why laws have to change.

I didn't hear, I heard, I think... We talked earlier about Léla... Léla. Léla, who mentioned... She's a voice actor. Who mentioned, who really made the distinction between the work of the consenting sex and the non-consenting sex. I thought it was really beautiful how she talked about it. There's also Gabriël, I don't know if you know who she is. She went to Sex Orale, she had a story that she did all the pimping.

And she didn't spend long after me at Sex Orale, and I was sure it was going to be a little against what I had come to explain. But on the contrary, she said to me, and Sonia, we're fighting for the same thing. It's not true that what I do, whether it's in the media or even just my work, the fact that I exist makes their situation worse. On the contrary, if we have decriminalization, it will help everyone. Because it's proven. The places where it's decriminalized, the numbers prove it.

It's not like I was taking it out of my hat. The numbers prove it. It's much less in the background. And people who want to be malicious towards girls, they really really less room to do it when the law is well done and who listen to the police when they do the law. At the moment, the way the law is done, these girls have no resources. They don't even know if they have the right to go see the police

if they are violated by a client. How many girls don't even know if it's a good idea to drag their aggressor into justice or just talk to the police? They don't know which police they're going to fall for. They don't all have a good intention. How many times have I heard stories of a girl being raped by a client, who goes to the CAVAC, and the CAVAC says, we can't help you, it's like you asked to be raped because you were paid.

I heard that. It's disgusting. It doesn't give us the taste to participate in society. And then everyone says, we don't pay our taxes, we don't pay our taxes. We don't do, we don't include ourselves in society. And then everyone says, we don't pay our taxes, we don't pay our taxes. We don't do it, we don't include ourselves in society. I paid in an estimated amount of taxes, I must say. But it's not everyone. Because we don't include ourselves in society, it doesn't give us the taste.

You help to climb the ruts. When we are criminals and we are underlings in the eyes of the law, that's what needs to change right now. Whether it's my disabled clients who every time take the chance to go to prison because they are criminals, to come and help me, so that I can help them. Que ce soit ça ou que ce soient mes clients handicapés qui, à chaque fois, prennent la chance d'aller en prison parce qu'ils sont criminels, de venir m'aider, de venir pour que je les aide. Mais eux, ils n'ont pas d'autre cours que moi. Toute leur vie, tu sais? C'est fucking triste. Il faut que ça change, cette loi-là. T'es mieux de mettre ça en extrait. À partir de quel moment le côté justement, le the work with disabled people start?

Alain. It's Alain? Alain, I'm always saying it because everyone is wrong, it's not my client. No, I knew that. It's my lover. I wouldn't have talked about it because I wouldn't have wanted to put it in the spot. I know that Alain that we talked about, I know that it's not a client, it's really a friend. That's it.

Since I provide services to people in a disabled situation, everyone thinks it's not a client, it's really a friend. Since I provide services to people in a situation of handicap, everyone thinks it's my client, I go to bed, put on my shoes, go to parties, we make each other pajamas all the time, it's been, I don't know, oh my God. A couple of years. It's 7, 8, 8 years that we're in control. So everyone thinks that's it, but no, but it's him who gave me the idea, for example.

First, I discovered it in time, I met him as a volunteer, I went I helped him get up in the morning. All the necessary care. It costs him $100,000 a year just to be able to live in his apartment. I talked about Mike White who does a fundraising for him every year because if he doesn't have that money, he'll end up in CHSLD. Because he can't live alone. He can't. He needs to have 24-24. He keeps calling me his little angel, but his little angel is crazy. He's going to be 10 years old, raising the majority of the money he needs every year. He wasn't going to do that. He's going to do it until he dies.

For alain.com, if I remember correctly. Alaindonk.ca I know there's a Patreon too, Alain. Yes, a Patreon could be very easy. I'll put a link in the video, all the links of Alaindonc.ca I know there's a Patreon too, Alain. Yes, a Patreon. You can be very easily... I'll put it there anyway. All the links to Alain's videos. It would be really cool. He would really like that. He really needs Don because he needs more and more help. And it's more and more expensive.

Unfortunately, there are plenty who need help. Exactly. But he's lucky to have friends he knows. That's really just the difference. And he's a real man too. So that's it. We met in our disgusting humor. That's really it. He's trash. He's trash in love. And he became friends with me.

I always threaten my friend to fight. He threatens to kick my ass. He would kick his ass if he was not handicapped. He always says that every time something happens, I have a love struggle, he wants to kick my ass. He's not even able with everything he said. I always see something coming, I have a crush on something, he's like, you want to go fuck yourself? He's able to move one finger, it's super long. Or if I fuck him, he's like, wait, I'm getting up.

It's a joke, it's not possible. So, Alain, I'm a huge fan of humor, it starts from there, huge fan of humor, huge fan of Macward, I follow him on Twitter, on my escort Twitter. I just follow him. And then he writes to me, he's like, Hey, do we know each other? And I was like, Hey, excuse me, Alain, I didn't want to shock you with my profile or whatever.

I'm a fan or whatever. And he replied, Ayo, you know me. So then, without a doubt, white nights in Jersey with that man. It's like we heard each other, fused from the beginning. And then, I really wanted to meet him that morning. So he suggested that I do a shift, the morning shift. While waiting for Alain, he sleeps with machines hanging everywhere.

It's like 100 steps just to sleep. 200 steps in the morning. It's a job, honestly. I work hard, I want to. There's nothing that burns me, like going to take care of Alain. I get out of there, it takes me two days to get back. So I feel bad, Alain will realize that it's. He's going to realize that it's a big problem. He knows it's a big problem.

He's big, so it's heavy. We can afford it. I know him very well. You have to be strong. His mother can't take care of him even if she wanted to come to get a shift because she's too old. It's really a physical job. When I got there, I wasn't ready mentally. It's the morning.

I got up at 5 a.m. in Montreal to go home, which is fucking far away. I got there, he was plugged into machines, as if he was in palliative care, his pipette to sleep, etc. All the machines everywhere. I was like, damn, what is this? It was really a move, I want to meet him, and I'm going to help my neighbor, I'm going to do some charity.

And finally, I couldn't go, we became friends. And then... He was the one who told you about the problem. It made me aware of this kind of clientele who really has less access to this kind of service for so many reasons. When you think about it, let's say that Alain wants to book someone. He has to be alone at home. He's vulnerable. Someone can just leave with his TV and do nothing to defend himself.

You just have to take his cell phone off. I'm giving ideas to the world, but he's super vulnerable in everything he does. It's tough to trust someone. In addition, in a city that is not Montreal, it seems that you really have more chance of falling into the organized crime when you meet someone. That's what I've heard. And even there, I don't know. So it's scary. So after that, there's also the fact that

often these people will live with their family. Their family won't be happy with the project. I heard horror stories, Cédric, you didn't help. Like... And it doesn't come naturally, but like... The mother sees her son as an adult, in a rush, and ends up just masturbating to ease him.

Because she realizes that he doesn't live there anymore. And there's no other option. in rush and end up just masturbating to relieve him. Because she realizes that he doesn't live there anymore. And there's no other option. Meanwhile, the mother didn't hesitate to do that. No one is hesitating to do that. To her son. It was just because she realized the suffering. Meanwhile, there are people like me who are there to come save the neck.

You know, there's Martin and Matt in one of the episodes of The Beautiful Malay, who did that on his brother. It's something he lived through, and he said it was a big family issue for everyone who was at ease. The situation is still there, because the illegal side too. It's all that? It's illegal. I mean, we understand that it's a need they have, and they can't date, they can't, they need to... They have no other option. Even when they're all there, they're beautiful, they're young, but they're in a wheelchair, it takes away all their value, it looks like, in the eyes of women. So it's super tough. They make friends all the time.

Even young people, no matter what your handicap is, it's tough because it looks like the woman or the man who will want to help sees it as a challenge too big versus someone who is a biped, as I call them, who is on the order of their people. So there is really a problem there and there was not really an offer at that level. There was demand, but demand is hidden everywhere. How many clients do I have whose family is not happy with the project, or they leave and don't want to hear from me? I have a client whose mother goes to church and I slide into her house to see her, because she knows it's going to be the end of the world because she's too religious. After that, there are families who are more happy.

Project, let's say with Martin Matz, what I understood is that his money came from a foundation, so the foundation will not be able to unlock funds to see a sex worker The project, let's say with Martin Marte, what I understood is that his money came from a foundation, so the foundation won't be able to unlock funds to see a sex worker because of the illegality of that. Why do we have to change the law for this world? It would never be a project, let alone a C or RQ, that part of that is repaid. Everyone will be upset to say that, but in the meantime, it's the world I want to live in. There are countries where it's like that, and it should be like that. But do you know if...

You know, there's a little Sonia card that slips under the table sometimes in... In a CLSC, that's for sure. Oh, I've already been to a CLSC, there are nurses who joined me, people at the end of their lives too. It happens, it happens... It's actually, as soon as I started doing podcasts, the first thing I did was sex. I didn't know how big it was going to be. But it was...

I had never forgotten that. I had never even said, hello, I'm an escort. I wouldn't show my face in a couple of months before that. I wouldn't even show my face. J'biffure, you told us a lot about your father and your mother at the beginning of the podcast. Yes. How do they take it?

Did they know before you had sex? No. My mother, yes. I'm very close to my mother. I'm close to my father too, but differently. My mother, it was really long. Because as I told you, oh yeah,

when I moved to Montreal, I got a comment from a member of my family saying, what is it going to do in Montreal? Go rub on a post. I was like 17, I heard that from my family. commentaire d'un membre de ma famille disant, c'est quoi qu'elle s'en va faire à Montréal, va se frotter sur un poteau. J'avais genre 17 ans, j'avais entendu ça de ma famille. Moi à ce moment-là j'étais comme, m'a leur prouver tabarnak. T'as jamais dansé? Non. T'as pas commencé? Non, j'sais pas danser. Non mais souvent c'est la première étape. Oui c'est ça, non non non. Aujourd'hui je le ferais pour le triple juste une fois, mais moi me mettre en G-string devant un paquet de monde sur

un stage, non. C'est one on one. It's ironic, you know, but... And anyway, it's like going to the grocery store and leaving with nothing. You know, I have to go. I'm sorry, that's it. It's okay, it's you. I would get out of there, wet to the knees and I wouldn't have anything. No, it's not... No, it's not.

It has to come back to action. So you were the right person to do your job, you know. That's it. And I'm super rare. I'm really one in a million in my situation that it fits perfectly in my life and that the positives are very much the negatives, but I'm so unique in my situation. And in fact, I say that I'm unique, there are a lot of girls like me. There are a lot. We don't have the impression that we have. They don't make the voice voice you use. Exactly. And I'm talking about them too. That's why on my podcast logo,

it's me with lots of heads in the back, like a kind of reflection of water, let's say. Because there are lots of common girls, there are lots of other girls in the back who either don't want the microphone or haven't had the opportunity to have it. I'm talking about them. But I can't talk about the people who came into prostitution when they were minors, or the world they're doing against their will.

I can't talk about that because it's a reality that I don't know, from the top of my little cloud of privileges and unicorns. But you're aware that it exists. But I'm aware that it exists, and it kills me to see that. When I listened to your podcasts, I was crying with tears. Because it kills me, and it feels like I'm such an impostor to come to your podcast and say, I'm doing well with my business, because their reality is so much more important to hear

than mine. While listening to mine, we important to hear than mine. While listening to mine, we don't hear it much. Figures and everything, do you have an idea how many times in interviews we talk about Figures? I can't answer that. It's not what I live at all. It's a reality. It has to change while waiting for me, in my effort to have as many ears as possible. That's what I'm doing right now. I accept the things that bring me the most of the ears possible so that we can hear my message.

Because as long as society doesn't change its mind on the fact that my work is shit, it won't change for those girls who do it against their will. We defend ourselves in the same business. And that's important to say. And I know that there are a lot of people who won't agree, especially after listening to the kind of interview you do. It's tough in Maudite to agree with what I'm saying right now. I know very well what I'm talking about.

In the meantime, my reality also exists, and it doesn't invalidate what they've been through. On the contrary. Your father, how exactly? Yeah. My mother, I said a couple of years before, because I was no longer able to lie. Every time my mother came to Montreal, she wanted me to have a deputization operation in my apartment. I had friends who came to Montreal, she wanted me to have a deputization operation in my apartment. I had friends who came to our house. That's awesome. I like that, you're true to yourself.

I'm called the therapist, that's how I call myself. My podcast is the first podcast in Quebec. I love that word from my whole being. It's rough, but you are. It's rough, but in my bio Instagram, it's therapist and my podcast is a podcast. We have to stop finding that bad word, and the people who are treating me like a jerk, I'm like, ok, you have a little accounting, it's the same thing. For me, it's my job. And I find that word really beautiful.

In the meantime. Your father. My father, yes. So I've been using my place since my mother came. I tried to hide everything so she wouldn't find out about it, because my mom would search everywhere. Because I had the impression that she would see it as a failure. Since I was in Montreal all of a sudden, I was a scum. Even today, everyone knows that.

I still have to lie to my family. No, no, I really went to school. Because they say that one excludes the other. So it was all a lie, I went to school. But no, I really went to school. Because some people say that one excludes the other, so it was all a lie, but no, I went to school. And there are a lot of people who think that I didn't go to school. So my mother, I ended up saying one day that I was no longer able to lie. I'm so much of a person who chooses honesty for ethical reasons that it was tough. I told her, and my mother had a big silence on the phone,

and she understood at that moment that what she was going to say after that would be really significant in our relationship. So she really understood that quickly, and she didn't say anything that could really hurt me at that moment, even if I was confident. She didn't like it. She didn't like it, not only that, but she didn't understand at that moment. And also, I had already understood by talking to friends who had children, that my safety is everything that matters to others.

And then I just told them, I'm not in safety. I have risks for my life, I have risks for my safety. I totally understand what it can do in the ear of a mother. It was really long. She opened her mind, she stretched her mind to understand. We ended up talking about it like crazy. And today she's my biggest fan. She watches all my stories, and even my close friends' stories.

That's when I say the worst things. When she hears a story that she catches, she pauses because she's like... She just doesn't want to know that I had a baby last week. But we're like, you know, she can't understand that. It's crazy. It was a video, we made it. So it went well, but it was our secret from the start. We didn't tell anyone else. When Sex Hora was released,

I still had a personal Facebook at that time. I didn't even know the podcast was released. I woke up in the morning and I had a lot of messages from people from my city. Finally, a screenshot of my Instagram went around the city. It's a small city, it's going fast. I said, you're in front of us, it taken in a small town. I was like, oh, come on, it's bigger than I thought. I'm out. A sexual was not as big as it is today, but it was already.

Yes, too big. Much bigger than I thought. I was going to do a little YouTube show in my head. I called my mom and I was like, I, I just received copies of my Instagram 25 times, let's fix that. First, I closed my Facebook because I didn't endure those comments. Close my mind, my mind is collapsing as I call it, and I assume it. So I said, okay, we're having a family reunion, it shouldn't come out by someone else than us.

My mom said, okay, I call your brother, you call your father. Okay, we take each one. So I never needed to tell my brother because it was really, really scary to tell my brother who is very in the sludge shame, very in judgment. So I was like, no question that it was me who did that and I didn't even want to know what he said. So I called my dad and I said to him, hey, you told us it was weird. You received one of the girls who got caught with drugs in Australia, right? Yeah. Okay, there's a link.

My father, I thought I was... I was James Bond, super subtle in my big lie, you know? Like, they all thought I was working in what I studied in, you know? So I was like, Dad, I'm working in sex! And I explain, I explain. The most eternal silence in humanity was like, I'm not scared, I'm a sex worker. And I explain, I explain. The most eternal silence of humanity is like,

Oh, well, I'm relieved. I was like, what? What am I living? He thought you were going to be an adult. Did you want to know what I thought you were doing, my little girl? Travels all over the world, etc. He was like, I was always afraid to be called because you were caught in an African prison because you had drugs in your ass. He was sure that's what I was doing. Because when he started to have a suspicion, this thing came out of the news, he said, that's for sure what he did.

And he saw your life line. Exactly. I was trying to hide it. I was like, oh, it's not a real bag. And he ruined his past. This is the first thing that matters. Well, that's it. That's it. And no, I never put drugs in... No, okay, what else can I do? No, ok, that's correct. Don't think about it, anyway. We'll keep that soft for a while. Oh yeah, now you're going to say... I didn't want to know what you were doing.

What you were doing in Tokyo, which is no fun. Besides, the 25 podcasts I did before, if you want to know, they're all in there. That's right, if you want more details... they're all in there. That's right. If you want more details, same... So, on the spot, he was relieved. After that, he started to rethink the business and he was afraid for his little girl, he was afraid for his security. He closes himself quickly on that

and he doesn't want to talk about it. And then, I'm like, we can't close the dialogue there because it's the beginning of the end, we have to talk about it, you have to ask yourself questions. There's nothing to do for him to talk about it, you need to ask yourself questions. There's nothing to do for them to talk about it. There's nothing to do. One man, you know. So my sister-in-law, who is the daughter of his wife,

who was not aware at that time, but who was like, hey, I'm going to teach you what you want, girl power, you're the girl with her body, you know, full feminist. I'm like, can you take care of my father, please? Answer his questions, he doesn't want to talk about it to me. Like, I got it. So I don't talk to them. Both of them had a discussion. My father was crying, crying, crying, crying. And at that moment, I think he understood that all my clients were in a situation of disability.

So he just said, don't worry, it's okay if his clients want to abuse him, they can't run after him. Like, I come from a family like I am, that's it. So, from a straight line, it calmed down. I think it was when I went to two Men in Gold, on Télé-Québec. They sat down and watched it, and it looked like they understood more. I did an interview in the magazine Véro. They still have it on display at home.

Everything I did that they find a little cooler, because podcasts for them are nothing, but if I go to Télé-Québec, I'm someone. There are a lot of people who watch this podcast, the magazine Véro. 100%! But they're old people, if I'm notQuébec, I'm someone. There are some good things that more people watch this podcast than Vero magazine. 100% but they're old people from the old. If I go to TV, I'm not nobody. So if there was nothing legit until there was that, it helped them a lot to the point that, let's say, someone in the family, and I don't even want to know who they are. I have a big big big family, we're like 50. So I'm not going to have a meeting to tell everyone.

There are people who know. All of a sudden, it's a Christmas couple. At each Christmas, there are fewer and fewer people who are like, How's the job going? What's going on? I understand that the question is no longer there. What's going on? In the meantime, the mononque said, What is it going to do in Montreal? Is it going to rub against a post? I was like, he won't be in it.

Finally, I learned in the branches that it's the one who defends me the most in the family. We'll say that Sonia is the one. Sonia did what people wanted. She did good for the world. She did good for people. You can't judge her. She didn't come to say that. It seems that the boomers of Abitibi have all opened their minds

because they understood where I came from. They know who I am. Do you understand? You said something at the beginning. They know where I'm from. They know where I'm from. Do you understand? You said something at the beginning. I have to have a desire for the person. When you arrive with a person who can be physically hypothetical,

do you have the help that makes you push yourself this far? I don't know the face of all your clients, but I suspect that physically, in your fantasies of youth, there must have been someone down, qui fait que t'arrives à pousser jusque-là parce que t'sais, je connais pas la face de tous tes clients, mais je me doute que t'sais physiquement, dans tes fantasmes de jeunesse, il ne va pas avoir quelqu'un qui... Pas tout à des rocs aussi prédis.

... qui a de la dystrophie musculaire ou t'sais, whatever, t'sais, qui bouge pas nécessairement avec un bon rythme, mettons, whatever, t'sais. Oui, oui, oui. Mais c'est-tu le... Je bouge pas. Non, mais c'est-tu le côté justement de ce que tu fais qui vient apaiser ce côté-là de toi, t'sais? Mais en fait... of what you do that comes to weigh that side of you. Physically, you're not a ghost, but what you bring to that person, that's what allows you to be able to go through the physical stage, I imagine. That's back in the day when I had to be physically attracted to someone.

As soon as I started to be escorted, at first I wanted to know what they were worth, etc. And then you realize that it's so unimportant. Because you stopped trusting the shell. You stopped trusting the shell. Exactly, exactly. The most beautiful people I've met, it's not sure I would have been approached in a bar, but not at all.

So the appearance changes absolutely. After Valin, you're really in love. It's the most beautiful in the world. I forgot what I was going to say when I thought of the gold-lead. We apologize, we love you. Don't let people approach you in the face. That's it, I realize how much it doesn't count anymore the appearance of someone. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I'm so in my place in this profession.

And I was told by other people because I didn't understand that. I find all the time beautiful in someone. I fall in love with people, I find all the time beautiful. The inner beauty surpasses the outer beauty. There's all the time that attracts me with these people. And there's also the point of being a therapist. What I bring to these people, it really values me.

I don't think... I'm not religious at all, but if there's a paradise, I've won my wings. I know that. I'm going to go to the side, the world is going to throw rocks at you. If you do that, and you're in it, why are you an OnlyFans?

I have fun at the end to do that too! You see, you're just... You're the girl who wants to help, but you're also doing porn. That's right. I have a lot more fun having clients than doing my OnlyFans. OnlyFans arrived a couple of months before the pandemic,

because I'm a visionary, I understood that the pandemic was coming, so when the pandemic started, my OnlyFans were ready. Why did I start my OnlyFans? Because I. Pourquoi j'ai commencé mon OnlyFans? C'est parce que je voulais arrêter de mettre tous mes yeux dans le même panier. Parce que s'il arrive quelque chose, tout d'un coup j'ai plus de revenus. Une pandémie par exemple. Je ne savais pas à ce moment-là. C'était juste une façon de ne pas mettre tous mes

yeux dans le même panier. J'avais fait mon commédiat de face, mon face art, tu sais ce qu'on dit sur ce réseau social. C'est comme voici ma femme. Fait que tu es spoté par la police et ils décident qu'ils se mettent sur ton cas et I was like, here's my thing. So you're going to be fired by the police and they decide to put you in your case and they could go. Oh, yes, that's it. I break my vagina. It's always the example I give, even if it's stupid, but if I break my vagina the next morning, what do I do? Like when you go to the tennis court and you have to grab it. Exactly, yes, I should be sure.

I checked with Desjardins, they don't want it. Anyway. I would have liked to be the guy at the end of the line when he asked that. I'm a super creative person and if there is something that is not requested in my escort job, it is my creativity. So with this OnlyFans, I could do impossible things, big montages, crazy shoots. Like the artistic side. That's it, I've thrown from the cathedral, from a gym, from a... At the beginning I was doing this kindked up shoot, and it was so...

It was like I was the artist. It was like it was filling up another side of me. And if something happens on one side or the other, I have both, you know? And I really enjoyed doing both in a different way, because I was chatting with someone, or seeing him in front of me, and seeing him in the eyes,

and we were acting deep, because that's often it, conversations about how we make our eyes burn. It can be draining, psychologically. It's crazy draining to do that job, don't get me wrong. Physically, and I'll say, to do a little bit of... Listen, it's going to be weird the way I say it, but to do a little bit of this job, apart from sexual relations, I'll say, sometimes I finish episodes, I'm burned out.

Oh, 100%! 100% in fact! It's... uh... To know, to know, there... Someone's vehicle, there, it's draining, there. It's draining. Everyone tells me that because I wanted to do three in a day at the beginning. And then everyone tells me, no, no, do one. I think it's Steph, Tom, when I did their podcast, when I did Coupe ouvert, I said, oh, do you have another one after?

No, we do one a day. Why? It's burning. That's exactly it. I did it before, before two. I said, do you have another one after? No, we do one a day. Why? It's burning, isn't it? Exactly. I did two before. Lately, I did two because I knew my guests. I knew it wouldn't be draining. Especially you, it's draining. Before, I did two and we talked about it earlier,

Surviving Head first, which is Marie-Michelle Desmeules, after her podcast, I had to shoot another one. The person didn't know how to point, and then I had to open a new one. I think I opened a new one, and then I was like, no, no. You did well. One a day. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If I did your kind of podcast, I'm sure I couldn't, but in fact, what I realized is that yes, it's draining,

but it's nothing compared to having customers. Active listening, when you're alone with the person, and they really trust each other more than when there's a microphone, it's really more draining. That's why, you know, the facts in my job, when they ask me for advice or whatever, the first thing I say is find your self-care and then mix in priority of everything, no matter what, because that's all you have. You have to take care of yourself, because otherwise you're just going to take care of others and you're going to burn out. Burnouts are very common in my industry. Because of that, we give everything we have.

I'm the first to give you everything I have without counting. It burns me out. I had to set limits. Right now, my new limit is a person in a situation of disability per week, not more. I would like that. I have more demand. But there are clients who leave and I even cry with tears in my eyes because their situation is too sad. Not all.

They are sure to have all their load. They are all in a precarious situation, but there are some diseases that take me off after. I only lived with you because we've been talking about this podcast since this summer, and we're at the end of January. You wrote to me last year, and right now I'm taking time for myself. I'm very sick. That's it.

It's not going well because you have to take care of yourself. Now you manage to take care of yourself through this, but you're now at new limits. I don't have a choice. I've been doing this for a long time. If I want to do it for a long time, I have to do it like this. I always pass the world in front of me. I don't have to do that. My assistant knows that when I say, day of hermit, don't ask me a question, it's already my time. There's nothing that's pressing. I have to go throw up, make myself eat, make myself burn incense. I'm not a It's a podcast about joy, about what drives you in life, what gives you the taste to get up in the morning, what makes you happy, why you got up, where you are. It's a little bit about what you do, but a really light version. And there will be podcast about it too, but I really want to show, because I found it, what makes me get up in the morning and what drives me.

I found it in Estee, I want to know what drives you. What makes you happy? What do you think would bring, what would bring decriminalization, not legalization, decriminalization, prostitution? If it was well done, and done by listening to sex workers, because the places where it was decriminalized took into account what sex workers had to say, which is rare, New Zealand being a good example, it's done in such a healthy way. There are rules, there are places for that.

Girls don't need to go into the underground anymore, and they know they have resources, they know they can make coalitions, they can make bad customer lists together. They can put rules that don't fear that the law prevents them from doing so. I'm asking you a question because you could have been to Las Vegas several times, where it's legal. It's not a crime, it's legal. It doesn't always look healthy, it doesn't look good. It's not Montréal either, it's a city...

Well, it's not Vegas, in fact. It's Nevada. It's the Bunny Ranch and everything. In fact, it's a little gray zone in a country where it's very criminalized. If I go to the United States, I'm banned for 10 years if they have a suspicion, even a suspicion that I've practiced sex work in the last 16 years. I've heard you say you often have problems with customs. All my friends are barred from customs.

It's because I have big dildos. I can't be serious for an hour. It was in Dubai, not even in the United States. It happened. One day, I almost got caught. I had a small phone, you know, the old flip, not in the old flip phones, the new flip phones, Samsung flip phones. I was about to put it in my phone. I really didn't want to get caught with the phone. We were at that because the client looked really stressed.

I was coming back with a client, with a client from the United States. We were doing a road trip. But he came all nervous, he got us. So you were working, but not with an American, basically. You know, you were there with him. I made a lot of trips there, but I didn't go to the United States, precisely, for that. You know, first of all, it's illegal there. I have no choice if something happens. I can't even know who the right client is, who the wrong client is. I'm in my little bubble, protected in Montreal, and that's where I want to do my job. Even when I go to Dubai, if everyone thinks I'm going to work there, I'm not going to go to work there.

I have no choice. No matter what happens, I come back to the underground. I want to do that legally, pay my taxes taxes and not have to hide it from anyone. I want to be able to call the police and say, I'm a sex worker, something happened. Not everyone can afford it, even here today. So decriminalization will change that. It will make us listen, we will be able to put laws and that real proxenettes will be able to be real proxenettes. And then we will be able to apply the laws. Proxenettes legal, we can exploit a closed house, for example, something like that, with...

Do you want an example of how it doesn't have any significance, how society takes us for underlings? Yes. Marilyn Levesque, who is she? No. She's a sex worker who was savagely murdered in Quebec a couple of years ago. You've heard about it, but you probably don't remember. The guy gets out of prison, he's on probation. Conditional freedom, something like that.

In his probation conditions, he can't have sex with women. He can't meet a woman because he had to kill her. He's done all his time, he gets out. In his conditions, it's written that he's not allowed to have intimate relationships with women, but he's allowed to go to massage parlors to meet his sexual needs. So we count less than normal women. You understand? It's a girl from a massage parlor who was murdered not long after she left.

Because under these conditions, he was allowed to come see a sex worker. Because it's less serious. Do you have any idea how fucked up that is? It's disgusting. A young woman who came just to Quebec, to Saguenay, I think, to make money. It's tragic. And it's just a story that was more advertised than the others because there are plenty of them. While waiting, why was it on paper in those conditions?

You know? You're a jerk. publicize it with the others because there are plenty of them. While waiting. Why was it on paper, in these conditions? Damn it. To do something illegal? It's so frustrating. Because at least it's illegal to go to a massage center. Yes, and why was it allowed at that time? And this is the first time that my mother, she tells me when it came out of the news, every time there is a news about a child, my mother reconsiders all her choices.

But all yours, actually. All my choices to accept what I do. And this time, it's the only time she told me, I really hope you'll change jobs. And if you get arrested, what happens with a girl who does your job and gets arrested with a client or whatever? I don't know if the police decide to make you go to a client or whatever. What happens?

Unfortunately, because of how the law is made, you have to fall for a drop of cup. You can't fall for a bad cup. There are two different types. I know of police who will come, let's say there's a problem with a client, he arrives in the girl's room, and the guy is not hungry with it, or he doesn't want to pay her, and he says, well, you'll have to give him his money, otherwise we're done. We'll go with you. Give him his money and call the police.

In the meantime, it could be the opposite. It depends on who you fall for, if he's well informed. And it's also important, I know there are a lot of police watching your package. Let's say a policeman who stops you. They do a molded operation, as you say, a stupid operation. And he says he knows Sonia, he gets angry. I have a limine in the eyes of the law, me, personally. I have a disability in the eyes of the law. That's why she's so hypocritical about this law. I have the right to sell my own sexual services, but I don't have the right to advertise.

Let's say I'm caught with business cards on me. Let's say I can go to prison. My assistant, my driver, my protection, everyone else can go to jail, the client can go to jail. I have an immunity to the law. And because of that, they say the law is perfect. But when you say you, you can't be Sonia. You're talking about yourself, the ones who do your job. Not just for you. No, not just for me. No, I was just kidding.

Justine Trudeau said it was a lie. No, no, it's the workers of the sex, because they said the law would be better passed even if there was that in the meantime. We can't do advertising anywhere, we can't get along with each other. So that's why they say escort. So you pay me to be an escort if I decide to have a sexual relationship with you at the end of the evening. It's me who looks at it, you didn't pay me for that, you paid me to spend a moment with me. No, there are countries where the law is like that. I really have the right to sell my sexual services,

but I'm not allowed to advertise, I'm not allowed to engage with people around me, I'm not allowed to organize with people. Let's say, the in-call, the in-call is the places where we work. Let's say I rent a rental, I see my clients in it, it brings me security, stability, I can have everything. So it's not you who's walking around. I can also do out-call, but it's sure that with my clients in low mobility, I go to their houses more, but I like to stay at home. So, mostly, it's at my house.

You have a place to go to your house. No, no, no. You have an apartment that serves you. Yes, that's it. I pay rent in life. So, let's say I had this rent. Hypothetically, I have a rent, which is my bail, but I work just half a week, and I want another girl to take the other half of the week. She gives me half of the rent. I'm a criminal all of a sudden. Because I took

money, I took advantage of the fruits of her prostitution. My assistant took advantage of the fruits of my prostitution because it's the money, the sex work she has as a salary. As a salary, yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous, and that puts me in danger, because the driver, he might not want to heat me up, because he's the one who might end up in jail, even if it's just my driver.

I know there are drivers, and they're pimp, I'm totally aware of that. In the meantime, there are plenty who commit to being a driver, because it's so much a way to protecting us that it's logical and easy. Girls who are out of money, who don't have money to have another rent, and who don't want clients at home, they will go to the person, but there is a guy who will drive them there, who knows what address they are, who knows what time they are supposed to finish, who, if it's too long, will come knocking at the door. If it's already happened, let's say that friends come in and they go in, and then they see the guy and he's like too drunk, or he's frozen, or whatever,

he goes out straight away. The guy, he saw the driver in the car, he won't try to hold him back, but if there's no driver in the car, then he arrived in Uber or he arrived with his car. It's an unenviable protection to have a driver, you know? But we can't have it. Before we leave, your podcast is called because it's not out yet, you're shooting, it's going to be out. When is it going to be out. When is it coming out? I'm a little ahead because I'm on vacation, so on Patreon in 3-4 weeks, so in like 10 weeks on YouTube.

It's going to be out on February 3, the first episode. What's it called? Daughter of Joy, the first podcast in Quebec. The first podcast in Quebec. Maybe it wasn't made for everyone, I wanted to have it at a certain angle because I knew you, I knew who I was going to meet, I knew what I was going to hear. Not all of it, I learned a lot about you and thank you for delivering on your job.

A piece of advice to give to a girl who is trying to get into this job. Seriously? The goal is not to push girls, but... No, but I'm not going to do that job either. No, but that's it. If there's one that says, I want to do that job, without material, but I want to do it, I want to do it in the rules,

I don't want to be seen. Do you have any advice or is it like a flip-flop? You really shouldn't do it on a whim. Think about it for a long time. It's for sure that I'm more of a reduction of the bad effects than saying, don't do it on a whim. Think about it for a long time. I'm sure I'm more of a reductionist than saying, don't do it. Even if maybe 1% of the people who think they can do it right now, that, oh my God, Sonia has a perfect career, 1% of the people who will be able to do it the right way.

Most of the people will retire quickly, and they will realize that they are traumatized, and they will keep that all their life on their shoulders. It's not a good idea to do this job. Do you have a lot of young girls who write to you about this? Yes. Are you comfortable with... I do mentoring for the newbies.

In the meantime, I arrive there and they don't know what to expect. I sit down with them and I tell them all the bad things before anything. It's rare that... I mean, it happens that I tell them seriously, don't do it. But often it's going to be people who have already done it, who have already liked it, who had the fire in them and who maybe want to do it in a good way, etc. But in the meantime, if it's me who gave you the idea to do sex work, don't go in there. You're going to get traumatized, you're going to regret it for quick money.

Because sex work, it's not easy money. It can be quick money, but it's money that's going to come with a huge consequence if it's not done for you. And it's very rare that it's done easy money. It can be quick money, but it's money that will come with a huge consequence if it's not done for you. And it's very rare that it's done for you. It's like saying, you went to the casino and you won the big prize, so you're not going to advise everyone to go to the casino. Exactly, because it's one in a million. Exactly, the stories of other women who came, who did sex work, are really more to listen to than my message to me. Because the last thing I want is to be an influence on my job. That's the last thing I want.

And far from sending you money, that's really not my goal. Despite everything you told us, despite the protections you're taking, even today, you're not safe. I'm not safe. I take a risk with my health. It's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Does having your podcast, your fan, you think more and more to... Everyone thinks it's my retirement plan. Everyone thinks it's my retirement plan. No, no, no, but I'm asking you, it's a business and I mean, I don't want to, you know,

it's not a job you can do until you're 60 or something, you know. I could. Well, maybe, well, I don't know, there are people for all tastes. I think the 5th will always be part of my life in a way or another because I really like that. But if you have a plan that you have to keep just like you said, one or two, on the disabled side, and drop the rest, or... It will be a year.

If you don't have a plan, you understand what you're saying. It's very well said, thank you. Because not everyone is like that, people are like, how old are we doing this job, whatever. And I'm going to answer that question because it's not a good question. If there's no age to finish this job, there's a time to do it. When you're old, when you're going backwards, when you start to hate men, when you think you're not paid enough to do this job.

In the meantime, I'm going to wait a long time for this moment. I'm going to explode. The answer is no, it's not my retirement plan, but if I retire for a reason or another, it's fun to know that I'm going to have a podcast, and I'm going to have an OnlyFans, or that I'm going to have my degree. That's it. I can go to work in my job whenever I want. So I really have fun doing it, and I'm still waiting for the day that I don't want to do it anymore. And the day that I'm going to go backwards, the day that I'm going to go backwards, I'm going to stop because I know what it's going to do as a consequence in my life.

You seem to be a pretty bright girl. It's something I know, and I know to be like in my life. You seem like a pretty bright girl. That's something I know. And I know you're making a good living. I imagine you're also planning for the future. I have a career in hockey. I'm aware that in the future it's going to stop. There's a lot of money, but it doesn't last for life. So, the escorts who do that job,

if you don't save at least 50% of everything you do, you'll regret it later. The only good way to do that is to put a lot of money aside, to pay your taxes and investors. That's the only way. Sonia, I'm doing this podcast to give people a micro because I often say that everyone knows prison. Everyone knows what prison is, but no one knows who is there, why they are there, how they live it. That's kind of the reason.

I put a lot of emphasis on réinsertion sociale, la réhabilitation sociale. T'en es une aussi parce que t'as eu des problèmes de consommation toi aussi. Mais j'aime mettre en lumière des choses qu'on ne connaît pas. Le métier que tu pratiques, tout le monde sait c'est quoi. Tout le monde le connaît, mais personne ne le connaît. Puis je pense qu'on en connaît un petit peu plus grâce à toi. Puis c'est pour ça que je veux que tu viennes. Merci pour ton ouverture d'esprit de m'avoir invité. I think we know a little bit more about it thanks to you. And that's why I wanted you to come. Thank you for your open mind to invite me.

I know it was a decision a little out of the ordinary. But in fact, from the moment I received a victim, knowing you, I wanted to be received, precisely. And I'm even happy that it was a little longer because I had more victims. So, you know, and I didn't just have victims. I mean, I had girls who did it by choice, in the, but who didn't have to be pimp, who did it to pay for the other, but who did it by choice. I never consumed as an escort.

That's it, it's an angle, we had touched several angles, we hadn't touched yours. And thank you for coming, thank you for being open on this. And I think you can enlighten people and you can certainly help a lot. Thank you. And if there are people who are watching this podcast and who have not seen the episodes of Leila, what is her name? Mary-Michelle, among others. You have to go see those episodes.

Don't you have an idea of my job without having seen those episodes? I listened to them today and it didn't change anything for me. I would like to tell you the episode numbers, unfortunately I didn't say them. In fact, I typed the parlor, escort and it was the first two that came out. Because I wanted to see a little... I advise you to type Au Parloir and not Le Parloir. I studied Au Parloir! You said Le Parloir, I'm like...

We're not in TVA, Isette! You're a little bit of a coward, I love you. No, but listen, thank you very much. All your links, we'll put it down below the video. Not so much to advertise, you don't need it, but I think more so for if there are people who have questions, if there are young girls who have questions, I think you're the right person to ask them. Thank you very much for coming. I hope you enjoyed the podcast. See you later. You you