Au Parloir - Épisode #85 - Caro Plante

Episode Date: April 13, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Caro Plante, dès sa naissance elle est accro à la cocaïne, elle se promène donc de familles d'accueil dès l'âge de 10 ans, plus d'une centaine de fugues, consommation, expl0itation s3xuelle, violence, prison, DPJ, etc. Une histoire difficile! Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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It's my website where you can find all my social media, details about my career as a humorist, as well as clothes at the parlour. We have t-shirts and hoodies in collaboration with the QG workshop of Trois-Rivières. I shot this episode the same night as the episode of the last week with Michel Labonté. QG de Trois-Rivières. J'ai tourné cet épisode-là la même soir que l'épisode de la semaine passée avec Michel Labonté. Donc, si vous ne l'avez pas écouté, je vais le répéter. Ça se peut que, en background, il may be some small problems during the episode. Today I received Caro Plante. Caro, it starts rough, it starts in two months.

In fact, it starts at birth, born, actually, addicted to alcohol and cocaine, because his mother consumed a lot of alcohol and cocaine when she was born. Her parents abandoned her in a wardrobe for two months. She was placed in a foster family, adopted. It didn't go very well. She was placed at the age of 10 until she was 18 in a foster family. placé à l'âge de 10 ans jusqu'à l'âge de 18 ans en famille d'accueil. Si je me trompe pas, le chiffre exact 123 ou 132 fugues dans une année. De l'abus, du pimpage, en aimite, puis de l'abus autant dans la rue malheureusement que dans le centre jeunesse. Violence, drogue, prison, DPJ, grossness, adoption, war.

There are plenty of them. I'm doing a long podcast. A rough podcast. In any case, it's a journey. A podcast that is sometimes not always easy to hear, but I think it's essential. Once again, I repeat myself, I don't necessarily endorse the gestures, the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I am a person who takes the liberty of expression. I like people who speak with their hearts. Welcome to the speaking room. Thank you for being here. It's a pleasure to be here. I think it's a good journey to share with us.

I'm going to fill your nose because I forgot to do that at the beginning of the podcast. Before the cameras. We are professionals. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I think it's a good journey to share with us. I'm going to get your name on the screen because I forgot to do that at the beginning of the podcast, before the cameras. You have to get to the point where you're a professional. It's better late than never, you say that. Thank you so much for being there. It was a good journey to tell us. You gave me the usual. I have the big lines, but I really don't know the details.

So with my guests, I always start young. And what I understood is that I don't have a choice because it starts young. Yes. In fact, I have two parents, alcoholic, toxic, and criminal. Noteworthy at the time. Okay. And... Criminal, excuse me, I'm cutting you off already. No problem.

Criminal in what sense? In all senses. Sold up, dope, name it, you have it. Okay, perfect. And it's not just one person, it's all the brothers of my father, all the brothers of my mother, all the family, finally, of the two brothers. The family is enlarged. Yes, yes, yes. They are rare, those who are not in my family. It's more the new generation that is no longer part of it.

My cousins who are not part of it or very few. Which neighborhood? I was born in Saint-Henri, at the hospital Bellechasse. My father lived in Saint-Henri, on Notre-Dchasse. My father lived in Saint-Henri, in front of Notre-Dame, in front of the church, in front of the house of the gardens. My father is a man who only drinks. I don't drink. I drink, but it really has to be...

A very special occasion. And then again, I can choke. I'll kill your coffee in the country. Which is not negative. No, for me it's not at all. No, no, for me, to have impact, sometimes stupidity, shit, oh my God. I've seen too many to be to be able to be so old. I'm not saying I've never been so old. We'll come back to that. Yeah. So that's it. I come to the world of...

My mother is 20 years old when she gives birth to me. I already have a older sister and a older brother than me at the time of my birth. At 20 years old. And my father was a woman, but my father worked for my grandfather, Dinto Wing, and everything, in the city center in Montreal. So, that's it. My mother decided to cheat on her Haitian husband for a little Irishman, and she decided to go to the city center in Montreal.

And she decided to go to the city center in Montreal. So, that's it. My mother decided to cheat on her Haitian husband for a little Irishman from Saint-Pierre-deux, and it gave me Saint-Pierre-quatre. So, that's it. That's what I was having fun saying to my father. That's it. I was playing blue, and my sister was playing the other one.

What's the problem? So, my grandfather didn't agree, and his goal was to get me out of my mother's house as soon as possible. And my mother, to protect me, it seems, they left me in a wardrobe in the apartment in Saint-Henri, I was two months old. And that went to hell. And that never came back. They left you in a wardrobe and went to the woods, but they never came back. They never came back. It's neighbors who called me because I had to cry.

In two months, you need it, or every four hours. There's nothing. Yes, no, no, it's clear. I had to go to the hospital every four hours. There was nothing. Yes, it's clear. Even I, I would never have done that with my children. I went to the hospital, I was on the planet. You, it's your child in the wardrobe, you can call someone to keep me. I don't know.

It wasn't their first reflection. They never came back. From that moment on, I got into the DPI. I have two months. J'embarque dans la clé de la DPJ. J'ai deux mois. Ils m'ont placé dans une famille d'accueil à Laval, là où j'ai grandi. Aujourd'hui, à 48 ans, quand je regarde où j'ai été placé, je peux pas le demander de moi. OK. Dans un sens.

Moi, je suis né avec un taux d'alcoolimie dans mon corps, puis un taux de cocaine dans mon corps que tu peux même pas imaginer qu'un enfant pourrait avoir dans son système. Je cherchais pas à être mort à la naissance. Puis ils ont réussi. Je suis là 48 ans plus tard. Je te dis pas que je trouve ça normal que tu donnes à un enfant des stéroïdes pour contrer le crack. I'm 48 years old now. I'm not saying that it's normal to give a child steroids to counteract cancer. I don't catch it too much. No, but it's medicine.

But that's how it is. So I grew up and I needed more than just what a regular child needed. Because it left severe traces in neurology. You don't want the adult and the alcohol, it's creaking. And even more so when you get in shape. It's all along the pregnancy. You had that in your cells, in your formation. I saw the world and I was toxic.

You were toxic-alcoholic in birth. I didn't choose that. I didn't choose to be like that, and they imposed it on me. So, while I was growing up in my adoptive family, I didn't fit in the mold. So, you didn't fit in your family. I didn't fit in the mold. I can't stay in color.

A complete image. I can't stay in color. I draw the line and then I do other things with the dolls. After that, I take up Hot Wheels with my brother, and then I take up Jaijo. I can't stay at a station for more than three minutes, and I'm still not able to finish what I started. At school, it becomes a problem. Because I'm not like the others, I get intimidated, I becomes a problem. Because, in addition to that, I'm not like the others. I get intimidated.

I get pulled out of a corner. It's not cool. I can't. And then I don't understand, because I don't understand what's going on with me. My hand, in any case, it cuts my foot in the face. And there's nothing for me. You take your time. My time to adapt.

Yes, yes. And I'm not like the others. So she doesn't have any patience with me. She doesn't have any patience. I... Are you a family of hostages or did you adopt? Actually, I was a family of hostages for three months at her place. Then they adopted me, I was five months old. They changed my name for my protection. I was 27 when I was called Melanie, not Caroline.

That's a fucking tight, solid name. So, since my mother's way of treating me. Hey, if you have a problem, it's okay. Think as you want. She thinks I'm doing it on purpose. She thinks I'm rebelling. So I eat flies every time. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it.

I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I. She thought I was rebelling. I think I stole from you sometimes. I thought I was hiding it. I hide that I'm a bully. I put drops on top of drops on top of drops. Because if I bring them in the sink, she'll know. She caught me playing with a lighter. You know, the crates they sold at the Price Club, the lighter. Now she bought two.

On her knees, and you're going to turn them on one by one until you have no more gas. I was out of breath. And I couldn't... Who are you going to tell that to? She didn't believe me. I'm the little rebel. Because she thinks I'm doing it on purpose, so she tells others that I'm the rebel against her. I remember that they came to see me, a neurologist with needles in his head.

I still remember where it is, at what address it is, the name of the secretary. She thought I was crazy. The doctor said, she's not crazy, she's smarter than you and me together. So at some point, by force of subversion, by force of being tormented, by force of being told I'm not like the others, and by force of being told I'm full of shit, I asked for my placement. My parents, they have money. They have money, and they have more than...

You know, my father built the Hilton in Laval, in Raton. They had money. My father had companies since he was 19. They had cash. My father bought a helicopter for Christmas. It was crazy. They denied me the first year of my placement. The judge said,

Your daughter has no business here. She has a problem with Laval. She's in the middle of the street. She got up in the middle of the street and said, I don't think you understood. Look, I don't want to see her anymore. So, since I was born, I've been living in this home. I was adopted by a family that is not capable or that has no resources at that time, because we don't talk about an interactive child. We don't talk about a child who needs help, and a family that needs help to help structure their child. on I had to get back out. He had to get in my shoes. And when he started to talk,

he stopped saving me because I had a bad leg. He didn't want to do it for a long time. For me, it was like... When I realized that in eight years, he came to see me four times. But, at what age did you ask for your place? At ten. At ten, you asked for your place?

Yes. So, from ten to be in the position? Yes. So, from 10 to 18... I was an ideal. You weren't replaced in any welcome family? No. I was a fugitive all the time. I was a fugitive all the time, so you're a fugitive for a year. I went through the door so quickly, you can't see me. They're crazy. They're crazy. And it's virtual aggression, it's physical aggression, the D.P.G.

Today, I'm looking for... You're in your demand for help. You're not... By the way, in a year, I'll be able to get out and maybe have a new relationship with my mother. Because in my heart, it's my mother. Despite everything, even today because she's my mom. Despite everything, she's still my mom. I never saw her again. She's not ready.

She's not ready? Again today? Yes. I'm fed up. I woke up in the morning, I wrote a letter of threat and I sent it. I saw you on the street, you were so beautiful. I told you, I had demolished you like you had never been demolished in your life. You're going to believe it. I told you, you're going to believe it. She took a photo of her, she sent one to her lawyer, she kept one for herself.

If anything happens, even on the day we talk, it's our home that comes to pick us up. At seven years old, my adopted sister told me, it's not your mother. She found you, she took you. What? You didn't know? Well, no. You knew at seven?

Yes. That it wasn't my mom. But in the head of a seven-year-old child, you can't understand what the word adoption is. I think she went to the store, she took a tablet, she bought it for me, and we went home. Actually, I can tell you one thing. When you start talking about this to your very young children, at that age, they know what adoption is.

There you go. I'm telling you because I've adopted two of them. They know since the moment they understand what words are. There you go. They know very well that... But it's because a job that was done with them Because they know, from the moment they understand you, what words are they using. They know very well that... But it's because of the work that has been done with them to make them understand that it's possible. But that's what you have to do. And you're not less of a parent than that, because it took you the pain of wanting to help, to love, for multiple reasons, whatever they are. And these children are lucky to have someone who has been able to bring them to understand that I'm their father,

but I'm still their father and I love you with all my heart. And I think that if there were more structures at the DPJ level, even before the parents, because it's complicated to adopt a child in Quebec. It's much more complicated than we think. Very good. Than in another country. Anywhere else, it's easy. We saw in the news recently, there's a policeman and his wife is a nurse or a doctor.

They wanted to adopt her, they refused. But we put children in families no matter where, and we get along with the aggressions of the foster families. What the fuck? I don't understand. I don't understand. And I probably will never understand. To make me the devil's advocate, I'm not saying that it's not about that, but I'm just

explaining to you that the process to adopt and become a foster family is not the same. The problem is that there are a lot of people who want to adopt, but who don't want to adopt I'm just explaining that the process of adoption and becoming a foster family is not the same. The problem is that there are a lot of people who want to adopt it, but don't want to adopt certain types of children. That's the thing. People who want to adopt it generally want a fresh baby, all clean and all clean. And that's not how it should be. I'll explain it to you off camera because I've probably already talked about it a lot. Because it was quick for me, but I'll explain why. I saw it when you explained it.

Because that's it. There are a lot of people who are like, I want a child, if a baby is me and less than... You know, we're the ones who are the most open. The bank is the most open. And finally, to have what everyone who adopts dreams of having, that's what we've had. But because our opening was...

Not the love. We were coming back. I've talked about it a lot, but... It's complicated, and... And I would put... I wish I could say that... Well, I would find it much more complicated to be a host family. Because you're a host family, and you're not there for the long term,

but normally, or all the time, some are there for the long term. My mother, I'll explain, we'll get to that. My mother worked for the Biological Department. Now, after replacing her feet, she became a social worker for the D.P.G. She had a resource of 0.5H at home. It's hard work. I'm telling you, it's really...

So, before my placement, my mother, she still tried a lot of things with me, to try to put my energy elsewhere than on her. So I was registered, I was serving Mass. I was serving Mass, I was singing Mass, I was reading Mass, I was washing Mass. The church, the whole day, the whole day. I was turning on all the candles and I thought it was beautiful. It was beautiful. All the candles turned on in the evening. I didn't think I would have to pay. So I paid by pleading all the church members.

And that's when I started, with my grandmother, my father's mother, to make me go to church more often, thinking that it was maybe the devil's spell. I don't know how my mother saw it, but anyway, I'm fine. I was 10 years old at the time. And that was before I was put in prison. I had a good life, despite all my bad luck, but my problem was with my mother. So I told her that one day she would pay for everything I had lived. So, in order to escape... But I know that you're put're placed at 10 years old,

how does it happen when you enter at 10 years old in the reception center? Everything is fine. Everything is fine, I think... With the meds almost? No, not really. Not really, because I have structures that I don't know. I'm like, let's see, I'm going to ask them. Okay, it's time to sleep, it's like, OK, there's an hour to sleep, there's an hour to have breakfast, there's an hour to go out, there's an hour to go to school, there's an hour to sit down. I adapted and I was fine with that.

The reason why the judge told my mom, no problem, she's not going according to the criteria we need. Then my mom said, no, she said, keep it, I don't want it anymore, I'll watch it. Then he said, Madam, I would consult you your place to consult. You have serious emotional problems. And from there, it started. Then I went back to the center the same day.

It switched the boot for me. How long did you think you were going to be there? One year. Did you think that after one year in the center, you would go back? Well, since I told my mom in my book, I'm going back with my mother. We're going to start over, I have a new structure, I have a new way of doing things, I learned to do things differently.

Maybe now it's going to be better, but she already had, you know, like, closed the door. So there you really suffer the second abandonment and that's when the Rebell Switch did, huh? second abondon, pis c'est là que la Switch Rebel a fait un. Oh. Là, je suis de Yvesau. Là, là, c'était un, pour vrai. Là, je vais te donner toutes les raisons. Tu vas me laisser là, je te le promets. Là, tu me feras pas ça. Là, là, j'étais un. T'avais pas de raison, je vais t'en donner.

Oh, ouais, ouais. Là, là, t'avais aucune raison de m'abandonner, mais là, je vais te donner toutes les raisons d'avoir fait le choix de m'abandonner. Je te le dis, tu vas payer le prix. I'm telling you, you're going to pay the price. And in my heart, that was it. It was really, I was angry. It was like, you're getting me out of here, I'm going to come to my goal. I didn't leave because she didn't come to get me.

And then you tell me, you're going to leave me there. They put me there until my majority. Wow! That's it. I did that because I wanted my family to reconcile. I didn't want you to leave me there, and you know your camp is your life, and you abandon me and pretend I don't exist in your life.

I still have your family name. But she denied me. She eliminated all the parts of what I was part of her life. What's going on? We're talking about Rebelle, we're talking about being paid. I'm sure we'll talk about it. I've been told off a lot. I'm sure we'll talk about it. I didn't go what I was doing. She was doing it. She was doing it. When I got home from school, I was like, why, why are you so stupid? What's the problem?

Can't you take the time to take the bus? Can't you take the time? I don't take the bus to school, I take the bus to the city to go to school. I stay in the village of Laval, in the end of the city. My school is not a road. I was in the middle of the street, in the middle of the street, and I saw a guy with a red car. I said, I don't know, I'm not sure. He took the bus from the city.

And then you tell me, if I'm late, you call the police. We'll see. He did it. He did it. And that's when I left. What do you do when you run away from the reception shelter? I moved to the city centre. At 11?

Yep. It makes me laugh because it's the age of my children, they're little girls, 11 years old. But probably... And you know, at the age of 6, I was already married to a 19-year-old woman, you know? So for me, it was like, I had hair on my butt, I was wearing a book and I was shaking. And I had the tablet. So I didn't go unnoticed. And I was being pushed around in the corner, and I was being abused.

You know, there's nothing that... I come back, I'm demolished, and when they pick me up to bring me to the center, it doesn't take 24 hours. I'm already gone. Notre Dame is the safest reception center you can't have. I showed them it was wrong. I taped the bars because there were chicken clots on the floor because of the clots. I was not bothered by the clots, I was sure it was not long. So I put on a chicken clot, took off my sandals, a pair of sandals, and I left. They put on my sandals, I open the door. I went through the door three or four times. I made the girl's unit run away.

I went to steal the passports from the educators' office in Rambo. Sunday morning, everyone was asleep. The educator was in the living room. He didn't see me. I was in the room next to the door. I went to Rambo. I go to Rambo, I go get my passport, I come back to my room, sign the passports, with the name of the guy who was sitting in the living room.

Now, we've heard that it's already a charge. Passport, you think that's a way out? That's a free pass, it takes you to the entrance down there to be able to open the door and get you out. But before, he didn't call to confirm. Yeah, the girl able to open the door and get you out. But before, he didn't call to confirm. Yeah, the girl is downstairs with the passport. If it's good, he didn't call. So I made the passport at 5 minutes interval for 16 girls.

I left last, I could be sure that everyone left. When he woke up, he was like... There was a girl who had just come out. He thought it was because of her that everyone was on fire. She ate my shit. When I came back, he was waiting for me at the door. I was also surprised because you said something about which you passed quickly in your barbwet. In Dougouzan, you have the body of a woman, you don't through an internship, you get kicked out of the neighborhood, you get abused, you get beaten up in the street.

Even in elementary school, during my recreation. The little guys in the class and everything, they kick me out of the neighborhood. I was 44 when I was in sixth grade, I was a girl with a high blood pressure. I was boosted to the point of being a steroid. What are you doing? There are lots of... I don't want to minimize a high school, a sixth grade kid, it doesn't make sense. But when you're in the street in the middle of town,

at 12, it's not a sixth grade kid. No, no, and I'm not going to... What are you doing? Where are you? I'm trying to find him. I was staying in the block of the Fouffes, ok? In the block of the Fouffes. And I went into the Fouffe, I was 14, my chum was the Doorman, ok? His name was Big Robert. And Big Robert is the chum, my big brother, the owner of the Fouffes Electriques at the time.

And at that time, I'll admit that he was electric power plants at the time. And at that time, I'll admit that I was checking the cards. So I went in where I wanted. Nobody was going to ask for my cards at the place I was. Nobody. I was already doing 5.4.

A 44-D2, as you say. It goes everywhere. It goes everywhere. I don't have a young lady who just got out of elementary school. I'm going to say, Chris, how do I say it? It's because you're saying that so detached, that I'm being attacked. No, but in the sense that, I'm not detached, but I learned it over the years. No, no, but it's not for me, it's me who's shocked to hear that, a little detachment. You're not done being shocked.

You understand, but it's because a 12-year-old girl said that. But you don't wear full, do you? I can't. But why can't you? I can't because I'm scared. I'm 12 years old. I'm scared of the representatives. I'm scared of people who have attacked me and threatened to shut me up.

I'm only 12 years old. I don't know how it works. I'm in a place where people are fucked. It doesn't make you want to save yourself anymore? I'm demolished, I'm destroyed, and there's no one who can help me anymore in the center because I'm being attacked in the center. Yeah. We hear more and more news that... But we, we screamed out loud. Ah oui. On entend de plus en plus aux nouvelles qui déclarent. Mais nous autres, on a crié au effort. J'ai un groupe sur Facebook, les ex de Notre-Homme-de-la-Valle. Va lire la page, puis toutes les mots qu'on a écrit qu'on devrait faire.

J'ai Mathieu Marie-Eve Grenier, who wants to do... You know, it's several people who want to go against him. A collective record. She wants to do that, but we don't have the people who need to do it. Me, my lawyer was René Binette. You know who René Binette is? He's the one who made Valère d'Enfance with Paul Arquette. Me, my lawyer, he saw me arrive with my lawyer, he didn't cheat. He didn't cheat. And he committed suicide because of that.

I was waiting for him to come to court because we were passing by the court, and the police came to tell me that he had committed suicide and that they found him eating eggs in the morning from my audience. And I lost my best weapon, the best partner for my protection and for the protection of my rights. They were the only people who listened to us. And the minute someone listened to us and took our side,

that person would be forced to leave the court. Every time. Whether it was a social worker, whether it's a volunteer. Volunteer, as we've heard, he doesn't come back to the unit. We switch him. We'll send him to another center, SM2, it's less paid. Instead of solving the problem at the beginning. Instead of solving the problem, it's easier to make him stay with the problem

than to take care of it. Basically, it works like the Catholic Church. And that's it. Same principle. Since I was a kid, I keep saying it. DPJ is a mafia. It's a mafia when you live it in my way. When you're there to help and do what you do, for you, it's very...

I'm happy to see that you don't have to be a girl by appearance. Because dress doesn't do the least. And often people will be a girl by appearance instead of taking the time. Did you know how much my appearance stressed me out when I adopted my children? Yes, because you know what people will think of you. But these people may not even be better than you in the end. And they're the ones who take your selection. Let me just raise a flag.

To know about it, to have worked with people like that, to have worked with people like that, there are extraordinary people who work at the department. Yes, yes, yes, I can't... No, no, no, I just want... There are two sides of the coin. I don't know what you think, but I just want to... No, no, no.

Mali said it, Mali said it. There are good ones, man. And there are bad ones. In all. I say it often, there are good plumbers, bad plumbers, good politicians. There are good ones. And are good fishermen, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are good police officers, there are They needed help, and even more since the super covid, they released all the beasts. But all this beautiful word, no need for help.

But when it was time to raise your hand and say, hey, I live in the middle of the street, they attacked me. Who am I talking to? You have school tomorrow morning, go to bed. What? No, we can't go to school. I don't want to. I miss school. Do you understand? I miss school. I don't care about your school because it teaches me a lot. You can't make me go through three green apples in one go.

I miss school. I don't have the focus to learn what you want to learn from me, and I don't even see you as someone who wants to help me. I see you as an obstacle. And I see you as... I have a high-sensitivity deficit, okay? But more than high. There's no higher than higher. And they, instead of saying,

Caro, are you waiting for us to try to do this? You're going to do this, pep, pep. Sorry? Caro, she's going to do whatever you want. As long as you propose. Don't come behind me and say, you're going to do this, and Christy, you're going to get hit with a shovel. You're the one who's going to do it, not me.

You're going to end up with it, you're going to do it, not me. You're going to finish with it. You're going to pass it to me. Go ahead, I'm watching you. Don't give up. I encourage you. So it's eight years of that? Yes, eight years of that. But in this beautiful eight years, I'm going to bring you to my 13 years.

Because that's the culmination of my bomb. Of my child bomb that explodes. At 13, I decide to run away with two of my kids. We go to the city center, and there's a group of people coming, approaching us. They're really cool, so they're going to talk to this crowd. I'm a little more on guard, and I think they're going to talk to this people. And I'm a little more on guard. And I think they're crazy.

I get up and they come back to me and say, Well, we might have a place to go tonight. Oh yeah, where is that? With the others. I'm not sure I'm disappointed. Well, at least, at least it won't be cold. It's winter, February. So we go, I follow them, and I follow them,

but with a lot of resistance because I'm worried about everything I've seen for a few years. Not in years, yes. I'm already on my big horses, and I'm already telling myself, my God, this story is going to go wrong. I'm convinced it's going to go wrong. And as a already telling myself, my God, this story is going to end badly. I'm convinced it's going to end badly.

And as a matter of fact, for almost a week, a week and a half, everything is provided to us, everything is very beautiful, everything is too... Too good. Hey, come on. Don't insult my intelligence, please. And then all of a sudden, they bring someone back and they beat him. s'il te plaît. Pis là, là, tout d'un coup, là, il ramène quelqu'un pis il abatte. Mais il abatte pendant, t'sais, avec pas de... à poil. Là, il nous regarde pis il dit, si tu vas pas travailler, c'est de même une petite finition aussi. Oh, que non, mon chum. Fait que...

Il nous force, en fait, à aller travailler. J'ai 13 ans, là. They actually force us to go to work. I'm 13 years old. I'm carrying 110 pounds, long-haired, dressed like a lady of her night. What is this? It's a Katrina. I have hungry wolves after me. I'm scared. I want to go, but they beat the girl. I have a dog, I don't want to be beaten, I don't want to die, I don't want to have anything. It's hard, I can't save myself, there's always someone with me. I'm the poor bird, there's no way to save myself from this. And I can't save myself because I'm always stuck with someone.

I'm always with a girl, and I can't save myself from her. She's pushing me away, she's pushing me away. And I'm struggling because the more I'm going, the more pressure I have. And the more I feel that things are going to upgrade from a grade. I'm not tripping anymore. But the. I already have enough on my plate. I don't need that box anymore. So one evening, they bring us to the restaurant. We're eating and they're discussing transportation to go from one side to the other. And I'm like, what? And they're like, I don't want to live off of that. I don't want to live off of that.

I don't want to live off of that. I don't want to live off of that. So one evening, he brings us to the restaurant, we're eating, and they're discussing transportation to go from one side to the other. And I'm like, what? And then, if I understand what he's explaining to the other dude, it's that you're going to take me from the other side of the line tomorrow? Well, I guarantee you I won't be there tomorrow. No matter how I do it, I'll find a way. I won't be there tomorrow. You don't take me there. My two friends, they were there. They left for six months in Boston.

And then they went, I think, to New York for two years. I was scared. I'm not going to live that. I don't want to go there. I don't know how it's going to end. I'm going to end up in jail because I'm too rebellious and I have a lack of authority. And it's clear I'm going to rebel. It's clear I'm going to eat one. It's for sure. So there was a policeman who was... At the time there was the post 33. It's the new house, where there is the... where there is the Saint Laurent metro. In any case, there was the post there were a lot of police officers on foot,

because there were a lot of gangs and a lot of stuff going on. So I saw him, and I called him online. Oh, you're going to be my savior tonight, you're my hero. I chose you, so I went and jumped on him. I said, if you don't help me, if you don't save me tomorrow morning, I'll go to Boston, and if that's not what I want, bring me back, I'm only 13 years old. That day, they brought me back, and there was a pretty important fight. I spent a year in the court, rehearsing for a year and a half every day,

what these 13 people did to me. And when the last day of class arrived, my teacher looked at me and said, you have school tomorrow morning, you have to prepare yourself. A year ago, I repeat, all the ups and downs I went through, and you're talking to me about going to school tomorrow morning. I'm going to move back. To a different district, obviously. Just for my personal information, have they been sentenced?

Yes, they have been sentenced, extradited, but they came back. They came back because I sat in a taxi and he was the driver. He didn't recognize me because I was pregnant, but I still remember his name. I still have his name in my head and I will have it all my life. It will never disappear. in my head, and I'll have it all my life. It will never disappear. They left me, the intervenors left me to myself, and with all that, instead of saying, listen, I think we're going to set up an intervention plan to give you a hand and try to send you, meet people to help you.

Well, it was like the minimum to do. You know, it's not an invention. Chris, if you go to class, there are people who are... But there is nobody. They left me there. And tomorrow you have school. So I continued to run until I was 18. I went to Clermont-Lamarche, I went to Claude Charon, I went to Jean-Luc Montgrain at 18 to talk about runs. Talk about why.

How can a child come and say, I'm getting out of here? You know, there's something that doesn't work, and it's not just at the child's level that it doesn't work. You know, the lady who was at the club said, you don't understand how I feel. You, have you ever stopped

to see how your child feels when she farts? Do you think she did that just to make you happy, and that she wants to piss you off? And hey, why not push me today? Do you really think she feels good? Do you think she feels safe? Do you think she's too hot to have a bed,

not having her parents at home for her safety, and having a stable? Do you think she's too hot? There's nothing hot about running away. We really feel like we're vulnerable and we're... There. What happens, will happen. But I'm no longer imprisoned in something that makes me feel like shit and just moan.

Not always helping myself, but put myself back in my mother's grave. I would never be able to do anything. I was an adult. So at 18, I had a box of dishes in the parking lot. And I said, Bonne fête, welcome to your adult life. That's how it was. From then on, I fell down the street. Bonne fête, bienvenue dans ta vie d'adulte. Ça a été comme ça. À partir de là, je suis tombée dans la rue. Fait que... Si tu me permets, parce que, bon, t'es pas la première qui...

qui nous parle de ça, qu'à 18 ans, DPJ, bing bang, pis à chaque fois que ça arrive, je me fais un devoir de saluer des trucs entre autres, I do my duty to salute things, among other things, because it's one that I know very well, which is the Stéphane-Fallu house, which, if I'm not mistaken, last week, at the date of the shooting, since last week, they now have a pavilion for girls, because basically the Stéphane-Fallu house is what they do. They take young people who leave the DPJ at 17, 18 years old to help them. It's a transition, but it's not government.

It's really different. It's donations to Stéphane Falu's house, and now they're back with a pavilion for girls. It's really great because, honestly, yes. The two main speakers are people who came to the podcast here. They are people who have big backgrounds. Including Dian, the rapper Dian, Christian Dion, who is one of the speakers at the Stéphane Feuille House. It's really cool.

So it's just... For me, it's a duty to plug them in when I hear things like that. My little plug is made for the Stéphane Feuille House. And you know, if there were more things... I hear things like that. My little plug is made for the Stephen-Phillip family. And if there were more things, if there were, you know, before too, you know, I understand that the resources, they evolve over the years. Yes, but what I, you know, yes it's cool that the Stephen-Phillip family exists, except that it shouldn't exist.

Because it's the government that should have that. Exactly. It's not normal for a little girl to go from 10 to 18 years old in a reception center, and on her birthday, at 18, she says, Vlone Breit, enjoy your life. Exactly. Not a center, not even a bus ticket. I know that sometimes there are, from 16 or 17 years old, supervised apartments, but I imagine that you...

No, no, you really have to be an angel and have your ears to lick that, that sense of skin like people. And, ah, it's so not in my personality to do stuff like that. And, you know, I'm not the only one... Oh, no, no, no, I'm... No, no, no.

I'm not going to do a meeting. I'm going to be real. And I like to be real and be authentic and have problems and say, Hey, I need help because I can't do what the others do because I don't have the resources to do it. It's fun. I'm in a center. I live in the school. I have three subjects. What do you do with three subjects?

You don't even have a diploma. English, French, and Maths, that's the title. Try not to have a diploma with that. It won't work. What do I do as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job.

I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I'm doing as a job. I don't know what I had to start all over again, because I wasn't going to do it when I was younger. Because I wasn't going to be given anything else to say to myself, hey, you're lucky to be here, and that we give you wonderful tools to work with. But I wasn't ready to hear that. I wasn't ready to hear that. I'm in my age, and I'm in my age, because the other one left me there.

And what happens at 18? Well, at 18, I go back to Montreal. In fact, it started more at 16, but I'm going to skip 16. I started at 16 to get to know people and to have a little more, you know, to recognize myself. I smoke, and all the people I smoke, I take them with me because I don't want them be the mother of a lot of fugitive kids. I bring them to safety, I make sure they eat, I make sure they don't get in trouble. You know the safer spots. My adopted sister, she was a fugitive, she came to see me.

I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything safest spots. My sister, my adopted sister, she was a faggot, she came to see me. I didn't want to be a faggot. What are you doing? Go home, man. We want to be with you. I was caught at Pops' place with my sister.

My mother is with the police down there, and she wants me to bring my sister back. My sister doesn't want to go with her, she wants to stay with me. A little shout out to Pops, by the way. Yes. He baptized my first two daughters. Yeah. For those of you who are looking for Pops, for the young people in the street,

he was my saviour. He's someone. I put bricks in the center of the day, I built the center of the day with him. I worked there for a long time. At 18? I'll bring you back. At 18, I arrived in the centre of the city.

At the time, in 1992, there are no girls selling. We don't have the right to be girls. I'm at the Métro Beaudry and I'm on the phone. When I leave the reception center, I'm not Megsec. You're not? Megsec. OK. I'm not far from 300.

OK. The 110 is gone. Okay. Did you ever see someone say they didn't have passion? Well, that's what I didn't want to do. I didn't want to look like that and get myself into trouble. So, you know, I had to go through it. For me, China, in the fight, that was my idol. I wanted to look like her. And I was going for it. I was hot. So, I'm on the phone, and there's a guy who comes to me and he gives me this. And I'm like, okay, I'm coming back.

Excuse me, man. I'm back to the side and I say, Excuse me, I'm sorry, I got a flower on my ass. I'm a callist. I wasn't clear enough because he started again. I said, wait a second. I dropped the phone, I picked up a drink and I pushed it away in the mop. And I pushed it away and I sang two songs on Saint Catherine. There's a guy coming in front to me and he applauds him.

Wow! You're a great guy! You're like, Carline, do you want to work for me? I'm like, I'm working for you. What do you want? I'm an admin. You're a gang of fuckies. He says, I have someone who owes me money. He says, no one is able to get it. But I have the impression that you could help me. Well, yeah, you pay for it.

You pay for it, and you pay well. Well, you give up. I'm all in. No need to sell your ass and you can make money. Oh, but selling my ass never works. No, no, but it's because it happened, but not your gray plan that I mean. Exactly, but it wouldn't have been one of my choices. I bend too much and say that to make children like me, I give up.

I raise my hat to all those who dance on a pole. I don't know how you do it. But I personally, I would never have been able to do that. I would have melted behind the stage and I would have left. No, no, no, it don't know. No, no. And it's not my... No, no, no, it's okay. But you know, I just...

But I respected that the choice of all is everyone. The only job you did on the streets at that time was not... It wasn't your choice, but it was that. That's it. So I say yes to that person. So I'm not really... And I have ego. I have a solid one.

And my name is Tiga. Tiga, she's coming. if you don't pay me, you'll see you can't get out, but you get out. And everyone thinks Tiga is a guy. What is the most humiliating thing to be taken away by a woman of 18 years old when you're 40?

Because you don't pay your debts. And we're not talking about little people around the area of Berry and Saint-Cath who didn't pay the 5-quarter loan. We're talking about bigger people. I'm hungry. I want money. I want to live. I want a house. I want... It takes me a place. So I give myself in my job. And now, the money, you have to say, stop, you're going to kill yourself.

I'm good now. Let's go. You're paying well. Yeah. So everyone after... Accumulated anger, in fact. Oh, I have a lot of love to give. There's a lot of love to give.

You're getting the money back in a big shot. And la la la la la. And with a smile. Oh yeah, I'm sorry.. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wasn't reading it. My bass was cracking. At some point, I did it like that.

Because I didn't have anyone to hang out with anymore. I had to do something else to make money. Because it worked like a charm. It's the time of the charm. And I made it worth the time of the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I was like. I didn't know anything about the dope world. Nothing, nothing, nothing until my boss said,

there's a guy who's a I was top of the truck in the dock. I was like, I'm going to take off. You're going to get kicked out. What happened in 20 years? In 20 years, I started loading. I'm the only girl who has the right to sell on Sainte-Catherine and Blurie. I load from the street with 300. I go up to Blurie, I don't have more. I go up to the blue-ray, I don't have more, I reload, I go back down. I make money, I don't get jealous. That's what I think when you want to make money,

you don't sell what you consume. Preferably. And, um... For a couple of years, I would tell you that I get spotted. And every time we arrived, they would give me a lift. I never had anything, so they had to let me go. And then they told me, one day we're going to catch you. And I answered with all my honesty. Right after me, Sheriff. I was selling with a code of the police technique on my back.

So who's going to come and stick me? Nobody. You were selling with a code of the technique? Yeah, yeah. Quentin Catherine Berry. My brother, my ex, he was in Nicolette. And his father, he was the director of the police in Longueuil. Yeah.

So, I faced like 25, I don't care. It's not with them that I'm. It's with his guy, because his guy is as rebellious as me. So, he didn't care about anything. So, he's good. He beat the guy up to his brother and he was as rebellious as me, so he didn't care about anything. So he dropped the ball, he beat the guy, he cut his brother and he dropped it. What a beautiful invention. So during that time, the Carcajou team was getting ready. I was promoted by Carcajou at the time.

It was Camille Loutier. Carcajou was founded for the Galette Motard, among others. Yes, I was part of it. And I saw a lot of things. I was going out with my uncle's nephew. At the time, he wasn't on the right side. He was in the adversity. When he got his jacket ripped off, you mean?

Before he came with Mum. When I met him, he was on the other side of Mum. I made him change sides. I said, you don't look like you're well treated. You don't want to do more. I convinced him to follow me. He followed me on that side. He ripped off his jacket? He ripped everything off. And he followed me on that side. He's the one who broke up with her.

Yes, he broke up with her. I never understood. I don't know him in that way. He broke up with her and it's because of him that Godasse broke up with her. Exactly. But I work with them. It's in this way that I am. You don't understand what I'm talking about. There's a new series, L'Appel.

You'll all understand what we're saying, Madonk Gadas and all that. I'm part of this team, at the time of the city center. And before that, it was other people, before us. So you're directly affiliated with... That's what I said. When I made the unit of 16 girls 16 girls, I was arrested inside the shelter for a number of identity issues. Ah, because you were a lawyer. Yes, but I was also affiliated.

I was one of the first to be on the anti-gang law. At 16? At 16. So, from the age of 16, I went to the Antigang. You weren't with them at that time? No, I was with a Spanish clique. But you didn't do anything? Well, I don't know, you're saying you didn't talk to them? No, but with the younger ones, I really hung out with the Spaniards.

When I told you I was training. Did you do something? Well, not me, but I was affiliated with them. I was part of the crew. So, when you're part of the crew, you're part of the crew. Even if I didn't do anything, I have your jacket. I walk around with it. And when you see me in the cameras in the centre,

I have the jacket on my back. Affiliation, gangster, anti-gang, I have them all. Even before I was 18. So when Carcajou took me away, I was all dressed up before I was 18. When Carcajou took me away, I was all dressed up. They took me away, I had 40 dollars in my pocket. I spent 12 months in prison. First offense.

Major. You're going to pay the price. We'll see. How old were you? 21. 21? were you? 21. 21? So you're not 12 months. 12 months closed. So you're 12 months at Tanguay.

You're locked up. And I can't run away. I can't run away. I'm at Tanguay. But when I'm at Tanguay... I want to be called because here we talked a lot about Leclerc. But when I found myself in Tanguay... I want to take it because here we talked a lot about Leclerc, but we didn't talk a lot about Tanguay. Yes, I was... In fact, when I went into Tanguay, I fell into the other one, next to it.

There you were. Before going in? Before going in. I fell into it. You were caught, I think. No, no, no, but Carcajou caught me, I was in it. So you got caught? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, They came to get me upstairs. I'm not going to lie to you. Go ahead. I'm just listening. 96, I guess. Because you told me from 18 to 20, you had arm jobs, and at 20 you started the dope. I think it's 16 to 18.

Because I was in prison for 23 years, for my full 12 months. I was sentenced to March 99. for my 12 full months. I was sentenced March 1999. I told you what you told me. You told me you were 18. Yes, I know. If you were 18, you started doing arm jobs because you were no longer in the shelter. But you should check when Carcajou came out. Because I mix myself.

If you came back in 23, that means you would have been... In 99, I came back for a 12 full months. I'm guaranteed with that. So the year before, I started to freeze. And I had a pole room on Saint Catherine. What was your... What did you fall into? I was selling powder, so he told me, if you do that, you're going to do it in 48 hours.

I was like, fuck you, man. I went all the way to the metal. I'm not really going to draw a line of shit. It makes sense, I think. But since I was a nasty impulsive, fuck make sense. But life, it's a nasty, impulsive, fucked up, I did it. I wasn't anything stronger, because it doesn't freeze. But I don't know my history yet, from my birth. I was allergic to dope. It's good, dope.

Do you understand? I have no idea that I was born with this in my body. Nobody told me anything yet. So I don't know. I fall in there like Obelix fell into the magic potion, my friend. Oh la la la la la la. And I love that. I love that dangerously. And I'm ready to have a lot of them.

So I'm having dinner in there. When I was arrested for my one year, I think it was two or three days before, I was at the papillon corner and I was struggling my life because I had a lot of my car, we were in the middle of winter, I had a lot of my ass, I wanted it to stop. I put myself on my knees, I said to myself,

you're there, it's time. I did four things, I'm not capable. I'm not capable. I was sentenced to 12 months in farm, 3 days after that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. From then on, I stopped muggling. I stopped muggling because I did everything to stop muggling. When I got back, I saw all my clients, all those who gave me money.

They were there. All those who made me live, who gave me a salary, that I almost sold them, maybe something, I have no idea, I didn't do it at that time. I gave them a lot of money because they didn't pay. They were there. And then they all saw me coming. For them, it's a party. I don't have a party. I'm bored. I don't know how it goes in prison. I've been listening to too many movies.

I'm the little fat guy who comes in. And I'm afraid of being carried away by a bitch. That's how I saw it back then. I sat down at the cafeteria, she was lifting my thigh, I was done. I don't want to go, I don't want to go, I don't want to go, I didn't want to go. Everything is going well, so well that there are girls who send me money in my cell phone, I have no idea why, I don't understand. They send me balloons in Saint-Valentin, I can't even examine them in my cell. What does she want? She's a bitch. I'm going to have some.

Why did you send me that? Oh, well, I thought... Stop thinking about it, man. Stop thinking about it right now. I'm going to cut this off right now. Stop thinking. Don't think about your coach. I returned his money. He doesn't want to know about you. It's not true. Well, no. Because what I thought of the movies was coming. Otherwise... So, that's it. So, for 12 months, Tanguy,

I would tell you that... It's not like the guys. I was listening to your interview with Mali. It's far from being what the guys... I would have liked the women's prison to be like the guys. Because I don't have the same normal thoughts as a normal girl. I was raised with... well, raised... my fakes, with the world I'm holding on to. Old schoolmates, the people I hang out with, old school, they're all old. I walk to the old school. You're not going to count your life at school. You're not going to do the line-up to count everything that's going on.

That's my principles. I think like a guy. I go in there, you're a chicken. They're all lining up, the whole thing. The wing is in line up, they all want to see the beautiful GF, the beautiful Strew. I'm not in the mood. I don't understand. What is it going to do? It's going to jose and there's a big one next to the desk.

What the fuck? What is that? Why is there no chicken dinner in a women's prison? The office, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, blap, and then one of them is bitching the other, and the other is bitching the other. Would you see that with a skinhead? It's not a pleasant game anymore. Now you have to check your back because the other one was going... I was cleaning the prison. And now there's a joke that they're going to get rid of you. No problem. You're aware that if I put it back, I'll take the three quarters of your package. But now, it's a lot of money, it works a lot, you can get it yourself, your package, well, to the dealer if you want. No problem. You want me to take it? I'll take

three quarters of your package, that's for sure. So make sure that what's in there, it's the right thing that you tell me. Because the package will stay there. When I arrived to do the cleaning, there was no more package. I went to the house, he was going to eat. He didn't call me to go do the cleaning, so I went to the bathroom. I said, hey, it's because my room is working. He didn't do anything, he was waiting for you. She said, wait for us, we have something for you. I don't understand.

He comes out, he makes me go to the doctor, and I get there, and she... She grabs the knife, she opens the bottle. Did she say to you? No. This one doesn't belong to me. Did she say, that's it? No idea. But she said, you look like you were looking for something, otherwise...

She had chairs. So that was pretty disgusting disgusting if everyone touches everything. You know, if you have visitors who come from outside, you know what's going on when they always have chairs. I don't like clean chairs. Oh, that was a good one. When the girl saw me from the wing, she saw me turn my head around. She ran into her cell, she was pretty drunk.

I came back in the wing. She ran away in her cell, passed out. I came back to Wing, I told you, I was put in a maximum for six months. So I spent six months outside the maximum, having a life similarly normal in prison, and another six months in a cell 23 hours out of 24. Did you attack her or was it for his protection? No, because it was for his protection. Oh, well, yeah, it was coke in the box. It wasn't a drink. You told me there was some, so I took the drink.

I said it was coke, but there was no coke in it, so I don't drink coke. I don't drink coke, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not, not me, no, no. How are you doing? You're out. I'm fine. When I left, I was 23 years old, without eating. Really, nothing at all. But what do you do? You go out, you go back to work in the streets? Yes. In fact, I went back for a few weeks, really a few weeks. I met my children and I left.

When I left prison, I never stepped foot in the city centre. It was feminine, I closed my book, I did what I could. I put myself in a position where I wanted to put my life in place. I was 24 years old. I had the avenue in front of me. I was on fire. I had done NA, CO, OO, and I had made the anime in front of everyone. I really liked it. Being locked up without being able to escape, to put me back on a beat of, I don't want to consume, I don't like that. You know, it's not for me.

I like that, and I like that so much that I'm going to die with that. So I did like, no, I'm going to try to do something else, but for that, it takes me a share, so it takes me money. I'm going to make money, I'm going to get out of there, then I'm going to go money, I'm going to get out of there. Then, I'm going to go get some money or whatever. Then, at least I'll be able to move on to something else. Then, I met the father of my children. Well, of my last two sons.

And, yeah. You already had children before that? I have five children. OK, and if we haven't talked about children at the time? No, because my first three children, I had my first daughter, I was 17 years old. OK. Yes. You were still in the shelter.

Yes. OK, we skipped that. I'm against abortion and... OK. Yes. So... Are you comfortable talking about it? Yes. Yes, because... Probably because my first daughter, she probably changed her name and everything.

Because when I was in bed, I saved myself from the hospital with me. A little joke. Oh, beautiful model. So I save myself with my daughter and after 24 hours, I go back to the hospital with my daughter. And I'm like, I can't. I can't take care of a child, I can't even take care of myself. I'm sure there are parents and mothers who will want to take care of a child and who will be there better than me for them. And out of love and respect for my child, I think I'm able to offer them something, and it's a better life than with me.

I don't know where she is. Not at all. After that, she's 32. Not far. After that, I have Cassandra, who... Who you had at what age? I had her in 98. The comma, it was in... 98. She was already 6 months old.

Not long after, I got sentenced. That's before you went to jail. Yeah, that's the last time I died. While you were breaking yokes, you were an adult, you got pregnant. I was in bed. I was in the Virg pregnant. I'm in bed. I'm in the bed. I'm being arrested. But my daughter, I bring her to my mom.

I ask my adoptive mom to take care of her and tell her to give me what she has. The one you don't talk to? Yes, but it's the only one I know who will give my daughter the best life. Did you have a child at that time? Yes, no, no. She knew I was going to give birth. My sister told him. So Cassandra goes to my sister's house until my first Christmas.

My mother was still answering my calls, and at one point my daughter needed XYZ care. So I signed legal rights with my mother. While I was in prison, you had the full rights of my child. Because I couldn't help you, I was here. And I said, it's better for her, anyway, given that I don't know where I'm going to get out of my situation. So, as long as I get out and I move, then we'll see how we'll proceed.

You know, so that I can be there for my child, you know, because my goal is to take my daughter back and take my life back. My mother stops answering my calls in prison. During that time, my mother arranges for my sister to adopt my daughter. I'm not aware of that. I'm not aware of that, okay? So when I go out, the day I left, you know, we have a box at the entrance. And that's, you left your personal effects when... You had to sign an adoption, even...

I signed legal rights to my mother, so I become a parent by satellite. She's a legal tutor. A legal tutor for that child. I have no right on her. No matter what happens, it's up to me to choose. So I have to leave it to my mother and let her handle all of this. So when I go out, she gives me my money in my safe, my jewels, and the papers for adoption. The doctor, they couldn't bring them to me. It's a a terrible thing that they didn't bring me. You could have been lying down.

When I opened this paper, I was still in the prison cell. And they left my case partner behind the aquarium to see what was going on. Because I could see that there was a problem in my face. aquarium pour voir qu'est-ce qui se passait. Parce que vous voyez bien que dans ma face, il y avait un problème. Ils m'ont rendu et ils m'ont donné 24 heures. Ils m'ont donné 24 heures pour être sûr que je fasse le bon choix. Puis ça, je les ai dans mon cœur pour ça. Moi, là, la prison, ils m'ont vraiment aidé. Puis je dirais jamais que c'est des trucs de cul parce qu'ils ont une job à faire. Ils ont une job. Il y en a des trucs're assholes, because they have a job to do.

They have a job. They have assholes, like we said earlier. In your case, unlike DPJ, it was good. They were there for me and they believed in me. Nobody believed in me, ever. Because you don't know what you could have done. I was lying right there. They knew. I was going there right away. I was putting myself in execution, what you could have done. I went straight up. He knew. I went straight up.

I was executing what was going to happen. It wouldn't have been nice. I'm going to be 25 years old. For sure. It wasn't the plan I had given. You decided to give my child to someone else. One minute, we'll have fun. We'll settle this.

That's how it goes. They said, Caroline, c'est là que ça se passe. Pis ils ont dit Caroline, on va pas te laisser partir. Viens, on va joser de ça pis on regardera ce qu'on va faire. Fait que ils m'ont proposé de partir le lendemain pis j'ai accepté. Parpure. En fait moi même, je pense que c'est juste pour moi, pour être sûr de pas me remettre dans une situation que je voulais pas être ou que je Just to be sure not to put me in a situation I didn't want to be in, or that I didn't want to... Hey, my poor child, can you imagine if I had to go there tonight? My daughter wouldn't have been more advanced. I didn't want that to happen. Euh... Pendant que mon incarcération, j'ai un avocate fédéral qui appelle pour me parler. Je suis comme... Quand tu t'es trompé de dossier, ma belle, parce que je suis pas fédéral, je suis provincial.

Un t'sais, non, elle dit, il faut qu'on parle. Ça, c'est deux semaines avant ma libération, là. Hé, là, je capose, qu'est-ce que c'est qui se passe fédéral? Voyons, tu crois que ça s'est trompé de fait, c'est sûr, là. I don't understand what's going on in the federal. I think she's out of her mind. I go to her office and she says, ''Yeah, you got new charges.'' What? Qualified theft?

What is that? Qualified theft? Marmé theft? What? No. Impossible. My case is that I sell in detail. There's no theft in detail. I sell in detail. She said, no, no, no. She said, your lawyer arrived the next morning with the videos and the photos,

with the report, and she said, we'll talk about it later. And I'm done. I have two weeks left. I've been doing this for 12 months. For 40 dollars of back. I want to get out. Moi, il me reste deux semaines, ça fait 12 mois plein que je fais là, pour 40 piastres de dos. Je viens de sortir là. Puis là, t'es en train de me dire, le fédéral, là, là, je compte vite, là, puis j'essaie de me rappeler là, qu'est-ce que j'ai fait en état de consommation qu'il aurait bien pu m'amener au fédéral. Mon avocate est arrivé le lendemain là. My lawyer arrived the next day. Ha ha ha.

I had a hold up in a bank in Montreal at 4 p.m. All alone. You didn't remember? I don't remember anything. So she came in with her small TV on the wheel, and she pushed it in the speaker, and then it came. And I was like, damn, it. So she comes in with her little TV on the wheels, and she pushes it in the parlor, and then she comes in. And I'm like, damn, it must be a joke. It's a joke. I didn't believe it.

I was like, you're fucking kidding me. It's bullshit. You don't want to... You want to make me laugh. What's the deal? She pushes a picture of me. My dog would have in those pictures. No And I was like, you know what? And she thinks I'm faking, that I'm cheating. So, Caro, I'm your lawyer, tell me the truth.

Joanne, I told her, I don't understand. Rambeau can go to bed. Rambeau is a little bitch. There's a wounded one in there, there's a victim in there. I'm ruining my life. I'm like, let's see, you're a jerk. She's pissing me off. I told you, I was like... What's going on with all this?

I'm going to court. Because they want to lift charges of theft, hurtful ass, weapon break, illegal. I'm already on the anti-gang law, Calvert. Arms export, it takes me at least four years. I told my lawyer, I can't do it, I don't remember anything about it, you have to get experts, you really have to help me. They made me go through the polygraphs and everything. The experts were able to determine that my rate of intoxication was so high that it was so low that I clapped.

I left there with 150,000. 150,000? At 4 p.m. in Coimbe-Papillon, Saint-Cadret, Banque de Montréal. You have no memory of that? I have no memory of that. I wake up at the hospital, at Christmas. I have no memory of that? No memory of that. I wake up at the hospital at Christmas. I have no memory of that. No singing?

I'm hanging up because I'm teaching my son to speak with his ears and I'm... Wait, but... Yeah, yeah, I've already had two daughters. Ah, but it's starting, so you're out... I teach you to speak with your ears and it happens... The time the process comes, you're released. No, no, that's it. In my head, it's like you're two weeks out,

but no, the trial is long. I'm not going to judge you, I'm going to judge you, because I'm going to prove that I'm not able to judge myself and that I'm incapable and that I want to reinsert myself. So, between the moment you went out, you met your parents, you're pregnant, you have your trial for that. 100 years suspended for two years. Hey, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there your father, you're pregnant, you have your trial for that.

I was suspended for two years. There's a god somewhere for me. Because you're pregnant? Because I'm pregnant, it gave me a break. And the fact that I didn't go back... I know pregnant girls who were sent to the hospital. Yes, but the judge was harsh because he saw my file and he made like, let's see, two quarters of a pound, twelve months full. Ah, okay, yes. Look, make sure not to even stop for a ticket. Because the minute you get stuck, you go to the federal.

I tell you, you won't have to go straight. But what I understand is that when you go out, you meet your children's father, you fall pregnant quickly. Very quickly. Very quickly. But, excuse me, I'll just take you back to before we get into this case. Cassandra? Yes? You... she knows you're single?

Yes. How old were you when you came back? I was 9 months old. At 16, she came to stay with me. Okay, but your adopted sister knew you were 100 meters away, and you kept in touch with her all the time? No, because my mom said so many bad things about me that my daughter didn't want to know anything about me. I'm on my mom's side, she only plays for my mom.

Again today? Yes. But she came to your house at 16? Yeah, my sister tried, but it didn't work. My daughter is immature, cognitive and accompanied, so in her beautiful body, 24 years old, she has 12. So she sees a handsome guy, she's 12, but she's 24 years old in her body and everything. So I don't have anything, I don't know what to do with it.

I don't have any resources, I have nothing, no intervener, no one tells me. They drop me at home, like they dropped it at the reception center. My daughter makes the choice to go back to her sister's house to live because she thinks it's better that way, and it's okay that way. I accept it, it's okay. I had already done the mourning in advance and I said to myself, if you want to know me, you know, in the adoption file I left my social security number, my disease security number. They have everything, everything, everything, everything, to find me. So Cassandra stays with my sister until the end.

And that's it. So I haven't heard from her since. And it's okay. It's okay. It was a long time before I wanted to get in touch with my biological family anyway. So I told myself that it's a journey when you get to ask to meet your family for good reasons. Because it's possible that you ask for it. It's possible that you're curious.

And it's okay that you're curious. Because I thank God for being adopted. My God, I would be dead with my biological family. No, but sometimes, you know, my mother is adopted too, and you want to have her at the end of her fifties, and you want to find two sisters. It's crazy, because I also found a little sister. You know, I have a family, despite everything. But before we get there, I'm going to take you to your...

the sentence is suspended for two. So you're in bed're in bed, you live with your daughter's father, normal, normal. No, not my daughter's father, he's a hard guy. No, I'm not talking about your daughter, but your father's father, excuse me. I don't know why I said daughter, I don't even know if it's a daughter. No, I have two daughters and three boys. Ok. No, I have two, three guys. And that was in 2000, the two laps they jumped. The two laps. Ah, ok, 2001.

It's in that year, ok? I'm sorry, it affected a lot of things in the other one. No, no, no, it was the two laps they jumped. I didn't follow you. So, my lifestyle with the housekeeper. During those two years that you were on probation, did you have a normal life? Yes, I didn't get caught. I lived my life.

Did you work or did you work as a housekeeper? I worked as a housekeeper, I don't get cold, and my path is going well. Perfect. I put everything in order for it to continue like that. Perfect. Because I like having a head like that. After the suspension of two years.

I was scared for real. And the experts analyzed your eyes, analyzed the pupil, analyzed everything. You're in the video, you're in the mood. Hey, I would never have jumped on the same counter. I do. I don't jump. Do you jump from the gutters? I jump from the gutters or I stay up there? No, but you jumped from the gutters, young man.

I jumped too much, too much to my liking. But what's going on? Hum, hum... Where did you go? What's going on? Where did you go? After two years, you're back in court? Yes, I'm back in court, everything is fine. So, I'm done. We don't talk anymore. The case is closed. After two years of good conduct, if your sentence is suspended, there's nothing.

We continue, it's over, we don't talk anymore. We don't talk anymore. But I still have my conditions. No right to carry weapons. And I'm still on the law. Anti-gang, gangsterism, all that. I'm still in there. It's going to follow me all my life.

But you were... You lost 150,000? 150,000. 150,000. I don't know how I got through that. Without having a task. Not even a little tap on my finger. I felt sorry for myself. I felt sorry for what had happened in the past.

To get to that, and to say how much I was intoxicated, how do I... You know, they do an evaluation before you arrive in court. I don't remember what it's called anymore. An evaluation... Presentation. There you go, thank you. They do an evaluation and then you're with a psychologist and you go, and they see the paint.

I haven't had much help in life and I haven't had go out and the others see the paint. I didn't have much to do in life and I didn't have much chance to get to put the stones. So it's a structure. And they say, I think I did three years of probation with her, I followed. I had to report, I had to have interpreters, I had to sign up for the program at the Lowe because I was teaching. And you know, I was still closely following. And the follow-up continued with the DPJ. Because now I have two children, who are my two daughters.

The DPJ is there already, she never left, even after I'm 18, they're there. My first I had before I was 18, so they're going to stay there. So, the follow-up continues. And my son Gabriel, who is my first son, he takes it away from me because I was living a precarious situation with my father. Because I was living a precarious situation with my father. We had dog fights. I'm not a dog, as usual. There are a couple of rams that break.

I have a blue in my face, and I, the cunt, would have said to him, I'm going to the woods, and Branche de Sapin will make me face. I was convinced in my head. I convinced her. She was like, Oh yeah, a branch of a tree that leaves a blue in front of you. She was like, Oh, fuck that branch of a tree. So they left with my son. They said,

You can't live with someone who leaves you in the face and have a child with that person. In my house, it won't work. You have choices to make in life. And you have to hurry up and do them, because you'll never get your child back. So I went to my dad, father X-Tap. He went to therapy. He went to therapy. And when he got out of there, I trusted him again.

I said, OK, let's go. Since then, he's been fine. Since then, he hasn't thrown himself in his own pattern of aggression or violence with other women because I've never gone out with this person. Not true. I went out with him and had two other children. Because you said, the father of your children, that's it? I was like... I had two. So, Alderick and Mathis are my last two. But did you get your first son back? No. The thing is, I got pregnant with Alderick, who is my oldest.

Wait. There's one more. We'll go to the appearance. But it's to talk about him. They got me pregnant with my son. I went to the family house in Pointe-aux-Tremps to see my son every week. We went to visit him, and I could gradually bring Gabriel home. Suddenly, I got a phone call and they said, If you don't sign Gabriel's adoption...

But he's in a foster family? Yes, because the branch of sapin, my blood in the face, they have not waited. I don't know if he was placed in the family or if he is in the family. I see him visiting the family house in Pointe-aux-Trems every week. And I didn't miss any visit.

I am religiously on time. And then they tell me on the phone, if you don't sign the adoption for Gabriel, you will be't sign the adoption form for Gabrielle, you'll be removed from the baby to come. Hey, I'm in trouble. I'm in trouble. I have a house, my husband has a twin company, I'm in for an A.I. I'm doing well, I'm the most exciting.

You know, I've changed my life from'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good, I'm not good I can't go to the States. I can't go to the States. You're going to make me go in there, like, under the gauze, or something. It's not possible. It's not discreet. 200 pounds, in a few hours. I can't go to the States discreetly. I have to... I'm going to keep my baby,

and they'll tell me I won't sign, but the person who has my son, I know. I know who keep my baby, and they said I don't want to sign, but the person who has my son, I know her. I know who she is, where she lives. The foster family, you think? Yes, I know her well, in addition. I called her, I said, listen, Josée, is it you who will keep my child if I sign? Because then, I don't know what to do.

I'm threatened that I'm going to get my child taken away. I don't want to. And I don't want to let my other son go. I don't want to let my other son go. I have a child. What's the best choice? What would be the best choice for me to make? Say no, and they take both away from me. Or I make sure that Josée goes to my child. I have access to my child.

Even if you say that I'm waiting for her, it would go away because it was okay. How old were you at that time? I was two years old. So she said, listen, Caro, I'm the one who's going to have your son. There's no one else. I'm the one who's been there since the beginning. She said I fought for him so he wouldn't change his environment. I said I'd take care of him. I promise you.

I'm not going't let you down. I sign the paper to Jose, and my son is married to Jose. There's something bugging me in there, because you can have a majority placement without adoption. But I'm not like, at that moment, you're going to do... I mean, I adopted my daughters, but I was a host family for years. Exactly.

Before... I had a majority placement. But at any given moment, they could come pick up your daughters? At any given moment, they could pick up... Well, yes, because a majority placement is still... In any case, it's another era, because today it's much harder to defend than it was. It's still a majority placement today, at this time it's still solid, but what I'm going to say is... But this intervener, no job there. But that's because I'm like...

I would survive on it at some point. You know, did you want to adopt? We knew that's what we wanted, but you know, I mean, you don't have to adopt and... No. But to be sure that my child doesn't move from place and that he stays there, you know, they wouldn't offer me to keep my business in place, you know. You sign the adoption, otherwise we remove the other. Hey, I've been a hunk since my birth, it's... Without any proof that they're not going to get the other one. There you go. There you go.

And then I'm scared, and the father of my children says, Listen, I'm going to support you no matter what you choose. I'm going to be there and we're going to fight together. That's all we can do. And what weight, hey, I count on them to protect my children from this world. I don't have any more. I don't have any more. So, I sign. And when my son was born, I never saw the DPJ arrive.

You know, they never came from birth to maybe, you know, I fell into the middle of the river, not even a year and a half later I was in the middle of my baby. And they came, Mathis was already in the world, so they came to our house because my dad had smoked a joint. Oh, it wasn't legal at the time. I don't know, but... A smart guy called because the bread of my children was outside. They didn't feel the bread. I don't know what it was. They arrived at our place and they realized it wasn't in the right place.

I didn't have the same lifestyle. I stayed in Saint-Lô-Nord. They came to our place during the holidays. They painted their feet in the air. They were goingord, and she came home during the holidays. She was painting her shoes in the hours, and she was putting up gifts in half the painting. She must have been crazy. She said, what do you want? Armors? Armors don't have a problem.

What do you want to know? If they say, do it like you do at home, go ahead, man, I couldn't hide anything. I'm transparent A1. It's not always winning to be transparent in the air. So the call was there. They didn't take it seriously. Oh, the complaint. My two sons.

My baby is autistic. He was my savior. Even more so than the prison that was my savior. I was anti-routine, anti-all. And at two years old, I realized that there was a problem. Something wasn't working well because he wasn't like the others. And he didn't develop like the others, and he didn't do like the others. And I asked him, I said, listen, let's go to Children.

I said I want a live evaluation because there are some that don't work with him. Since I was in... Not in my life. Not in my life. All of a sudden, no file was opened. Your oldest, you have contacts with... No. No. I lost sight of him because I went in...

I lost my number. I couldn't remember. Suddenly they adopted me, but I called the police to get in touch. They don't give me a call anymore. They have no obligation. That's it. So, I... The site is MyBad. So, I'm trying to find it and see if its address is big enough to be another weapon.

So, I didn't have the chance. And... At first, it was a pain have the chance. And at first, it was really hard for me. I gave a child to raise another one. It doesn't sound good. It's disgusting when you hear that. You say, Christ gave you a child to raise another one. But in my heart...

But in my heart... But another mother who lives that, what would she have done? Would she have done better? Would she have done worse? I did what I thought was best because I wanted my children with me. And the possibility of doing it, that everyone under the same roof, it was not possible because they didn't want to. Why am I able to have the other two, but not him? Why am I not signalling with these two? But him? You can't give it to them. And we went to visit our house, I had to rebuild his room.

But once the adoption is done, it's... But she bullied me before. Yeah, yeah, at least you can bring her home, then start making her room, buying the furniture, etc. I invested. Then she called me to tell me that. I was upset. Oh.

And then with the other two, that's it? With Mathis, but Alderic. Alderic, that's my partner in life. Today, he's 22 years old. He's going to be 22. And again, that's my partner. My partner... It's my chummy chummy.

It's my photocopy-comfortable angus, which is quite scary and quite anxious. I would say because I'm scared. I'm scared that the police will call me because they're going to beat someone or... It's me on two feet. It's a little tough. Not a little tough, but you know, I'm a Scottish-Tirlandese, my uncle. So, do you understand that I stopped understanding, I stopped looking for why I had weirdos in my life? Because there are these three nationalities.

One loves to drink, the other loves to beat, and the other is crazy. I eat all of that on the plate, and it's for me. I stopped looking for weirdo behaviors. I'm beating myself. I like to beat myself. Even today, I tell myself, let's go. Who is it? Where is it? I'm still little old, I'm a little old, it can never be the same everywhere, I'm going to be back. You won't let your feet walk again today.

Never, never, never, never, never. I will always stand up for myself. I will always, but then those I love. Don't come running around me. If you want to keep walking and then she comes, don't touch her, don't touch those I love, don't come to my circle. If you want to keep on walking, don't touch those I love. I'm going to die for them. And your youngest? My youngest is autistic.

He was declared autistic at two. At two years old, if you say so. At two and a half. Because when you're a mother, you realize that the evolution of one doesn't work as it should. And I have four other children, so you know how it should have been, step by step. It may be a little slower. Not so much. Not so much.

Not supposed to be flapping in the same light. No, no, no, no. And not supposed to be farting because we're going outside and there's a lot of noise. And his ears are making noises, so I took him and I evaluated him. Then they told me, we can put him in the hospital if you want, because he won't walk and he won't talk. What? You, you touch my little one.

Hey, they turned it on again, you have to sign the adoption. You know, they turned on the babies. Hey, I have a flat, I'm not going to the car service. You don't want me You have to sign the adoption. They turned on the babies again. I took it off. I'm going to the car service. You don't want me to go to the car service. Make sure you tell me what you want to say. I'm telling you the right way. If I don't catch it the right way, you want to make me hear it, I take it off.

Especially for my child. It's not going well in the office of the doctor. It's really not going well. Because I reacted to what they just told me. And if you want, you'll end up like the well in the office. It's really not going well. Because I reacted to what they just told me, and I said to myself, you're going to end up like the other in a box. So stop it. My child is going to go home with me, and you're going to give me resources

so that I can give you the best of everything that can be done to help him grow through his illness. That's it. That's it. I don't want anything else. So he says to me, yeah, but the waiting lists are long. Well, yeah, but I'm on the waiting list and they come to me. Everything comes to the point where you know what to expect. It's been a while since I've been on the waiting list and I haven't had any help.

And then the hyperactive young man who climbs into the corners of the Neuval, and he says, yeah, come and beat me, you little bastard, you'll see. You don't want me to come and help you. And my kids don't know what a cocky is. I'm always going to go differently from the others, and I like that a lot, a lot. I'm screaming, I'm panting. I'm going to shut your mouth to listen to what I have to say. You're not going to scream. You're going to stop and you're going to listen.

It works. You bake the bacon in the store. It happens once. I've never done that before. I've had so much. But so much. I lay on the floor, I bake the bacon with me. One quarter of a second. I swear, it's over.

What are you doing? I'm like you. No, you can't. You're holding something. I can't. If I can't, why can you? You have a 9-year-old running around. And then I have Mathis who's peeing in his pocket. And then I can't sleep because he's a child who's peeing.

As long as his batteries are full. He doesn't know can't sleep alone. It won't work. I have to wait for his batteries to drain, instead of screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming. And then I have to sing the same crusty tune all the time when I sleep. And then, don't respect too much work because he knows if you get up. Because your two eyes are pointing in front of you. I went to the car, my dad was there and said,

Hey, tonight, we're going go eat at the restaurant tonight, you're going to get some good food, you're going to get out of the house. I'm all angry, he's in symbiosis, everything I feel, he feels. I'm all angry, he's going to bed, go home, go out tonight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? I was in the middle of my separation with my children's father in 2009. I call one of my kids. Yeah, always at home, scientific. Yeah, I'm coming. My little one is coming. I'm going there. 36 babies in the cellar.

That's just before the law falls. Zero tolerance in Saint-Jérôme. I'm going there with my guy. 36 babies in the cellar. It's not very harmful, 36 babies. I'm not in the cellar, I'm in the car, I'm eating that. We're getting out of here. Let the assholes, if you want, we're getting out of here.

What I want is a signal to help me and my child. I don't have any other way to do it. I don't know how to do that, a signal. I can't make my own signal myself. I don't have a family, I don't have anyone around me. I'm alone. So you're down with your guy in a house of plants? No, but it's not a house of plants, it's a normal house where I wrote 36 pieces of engraving.

Okay. There's no lighting, there's nothing. I wrote that in a piece of engraving, I closed the door, and that's it. I put a can in the door and that's it. Leave it there. It's been a week and a half since I arrived. My guy, he was a machine. He didn't need 20 hours to sleep.

He has 4 hours of top time. He's ready to go until midnight tomorrow. I have a lot of worries about my arm. I'm tired, I want to sleep. I managed to sleep, but I don't get up in the morning when he gets up. So he decides that he's going to go to the neighbor's house, he doesn't know anything. My son is non-verbal. You approach him, he farts his pants. He only does that until he sees me. I sleep, but I don't realize it.

And the phone has been rings for an hour. I answer, I look, the door is open and I have a blast. I have a blast. It's 10 a.m., Sunday morning, I just woke up, I have hair in my ears, no armrest, I go with the baby to St. Sophie's and I scream. All possible scenarios, I go with the baby to the St. Sophie's domain, and I scream all the possible scenarios.

I've thought about them in the space of two seconds and a quarter. I'm in a domain in the woods. My little one, it's two and a half. Everything can happen. Everything. Oh, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep,

I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to sleep, I'm going to hit my head, what's wrong with my baby? I'm screaming, I'm screaming, and I see a lady looking for something. Do you think? I told myself that this great Sunday morning, what if we meet my neighbors, no armchairs, the hair in the hall, the baby. But hey, where is my little Chris?

Oh, he's in my car. I'm going for a race. And I come back, be careful, Super Mom, she just saved my little one. I'm coming, I'm coming. And at Saint-Sophie, how it's done, you know, you have a field, you have a field, you have another... I don't know. And I ran away. I was so sad.

I was down there. I hit my face and everything. I get up, I go to his car, and I get there to open the door. And she says, no, no, no, no, no, no. She puts her hand down. My guy opens the door in the car, he hits his head.

I just opened the door, he comes out and he stops crying. She says, well, no, I'm the D.P.J. She said, your boyfriend will stay in... No, no, no, you didn't understand. We'll talk, no problem. I'm all in. It's me who asked for help. And now you're here, I'm so happy to see you.

Let me just get out of my car, and I was thinking we could talk, we'll come back tonight, we'll go together. No, no, no, no, you let him. I let Mathis get out of the car, and I thought we could talk. We sat down and talked. No, no, no, no, you let him. I grabbed him by the arms. I lifted him, I changed places. We went to the door, my guy came out, he stopped crying. We can talk now. She patted me on the head.

She patted me on the head, and I was crazy. She She thinks I'm a crazy person. She calls security, she touches me, she says, you're dangerous. She starts a fight, and I take my son in my arms and I say, look at my man. I did that because I thought it was the mother the way you were served. Today, my son is a graduate. My son has been living alone for three years. service. Aujourd'hui, mon fils est diplômé. Mon fils fait trois ans qu'il vient d'un appartement seul pis qu'il fait ce qu'il a à faire. Tu l'as tu re-eue?

Ben oui. Non mais je sais pas. Oui oui oui. C'est moi qui a eu la garde légale complète de mon enfant. Mais il s'est passé. Fait que là il y a eu... I had a complete Yes. But it's crazy! I'm 10 years old. What did you do when you were 10? I got a brain and it was just... In 2022, I finished my last... Because you got hit by the DPJ wire? Well, they gave me a brain for the 36 pieces and the sea.

Okay, ah, yes. And then they said, I'm the plantation, so I'm a pupa. And there, pupa eat more fly than those who only have the shanty-shanty, you know? Me, the guy in front of me, he's not even three, four shanty-shanty, he's probably going to turn his shoes around. Me, I arrive with my little babies

of thirty-six, a little bit of shit, and then the others, be careful, three years of circumcision. What? Three years of circumcision, plus three years of probation. That's going up in six years.

But there's a file in the back too. And there you go, but that was long, before I understand it. It was long before I made the link that the It's been six years since I've seen this. But there's a case in the back too. There you go. But that was a long time before I understood. It was a long time before I made the connection that the punishment I was going through, because I saw my son evolving and growing up with all the resources that I needed,

I implored myself, and now I'm the one who's eating shit. Because I want my child to be well. Because I take my responsibilities and because I asked Because I take responsibility and because I have the need for help. That you told me, hey... Hey, let me be nuanced on that. You're in my book, it's coherent? Yeah, that's it. It's coherent in your head, maybe at that moment. But I mean, you're at Saint-Étienne-sur-Val, you're crazy about the idea of the century.

I could have gone to the Re-Adaptation Center. There were some possibilities. I had some, but the only thing I wanted was to be there now, not in 10 years, which would be too late. Without wanting to, my goal is far away. I see it as a denigration. With your passion, you may not have the best reflexes. Hey, I didn't make the wrong decision.

I am a very impulsive lady. So... You're crazy. I just designed it without the same length. No, no, no, you're totally right. It wasn't bright. It wasn't bright at all. But for me, at the moment, when I made that decision, I thought that was guaranteed.

They would help me, they wouldn't let me down. So you had your son, he was watching you, you had the right... I went through it all, I had to fight it. I had to show the files, I had to show that I am the one who needs Mathis to help him evolve. At the same time, I have therapists at home for three years, for Mathis, who are there five days a week, eight to four, there are three in the house, and I can't go to the other side. Because it's not my guy, if something happens,

who's going to call the police to say, «Madam, you hurt yourself, she fell, whatever», it's non-verbal. It takes someone else in the back, someone else that I don't have to intervene during this therapy, it's very difficult. Because my baby is screaming, and, and wanting me to save him. But it's not that easy.

Later I understood it was manipulation. But all that to say that my son today, my son knows 202 flags of the world, Quatina, the capital, the world that lives on the planet. I'm going to ask you one last question because earlier earlier you told me that when you were released from prison, you didn't touch drugs for 23 years. Yes. There was a rush. Yes. Volunteer.

Yes. If I calculate with the dates, you told me it wasn't long ago. No. In 2019, the person I was talking about died. And I met this person, I was 15. It was my first crush. But he was 15, I was 18, so I couldn't... I didn't want to be a pedophile, you know? It's a very bad card. So I laughed.

We stayed the best, body to body, for example. You know, I was the daughter of the gang, the daughter of guys. And I was holding a bracelet that all the guys would throw on the top of the building. You know? And I was alone, who was there, because I was... real, and not because I wanted the guys... You know, I don to, with the guys. You know, I don't sleep with my friends.

If you were my friend, that side, forget it. And if you talk to me too privately, I don't look at you the same way anymore, and you just come down. You know, I don't need to have that side of you. So he died, and I lost all, all, all, all, all my points of reference, all my ground. It was so intense with him. So it had been a long time since I got caught up in it.

I said to myself, I'm going to get caught up in it. That's enough. Why would I stay like this? What does it change if I freeze? It get a heart attack. That's enough. Why would I stay with one? What does it change if I freeze? It changes when the other one dies. You know, it's still there, a headshot, a good decision. You have two little guys.

Yes, but for me, he was not with me anymore. At 13, Matisse asked me to stay with dad because he's always been with mom. Okay. I would never have imposed myself on that because I think dad is important in the life of a little boy. There are things that dad will show to these boys that mom will not show.

And I think he had the right to know him too. You know what? He lives with his little brother. So I went to get them every weekend, every two weeks. And I was okay with that. I could live, my dad at that time, work and do shit. I would have been... You know, I would have done shit again in that moment, in that relationship. And when he died, his family came to take over my house.

In any case, it was a big fight, a fight of shit. We're going to do this in the worst of boot. And I got into in a hole. It cost me 140,000. And I'll tell you that it hasn't been long since I've been through it all. It was hard, my ankle. I have a black charm in my hands that he supported me in there. That you've been waiting in his pickup box for two hours.

But you know, if he wouldn't be like him, with his lungs, he would be there to support you. He would wait for you in his pickup box for two hours. But if he wouldn't be like all of them, with his lungs, he would be a bit... We would probably hear him laugh. I've known him since forever. He worked with one of my children, Syltowing. That's it. I would tell you that the choice to plant myself... I was so stupid. I was so stupid.

It was hard to plant yourself. But I'm okay because I have a job that I like. I'm at the clientele service. People give me back... You know, you go to my office,, you'll remember MacIsa, ok? Next time, you'll do the line-up to be like, hey! And you know, I'm... Your job, outside the parlour, I wanted to go to the school of language, but at the time, it wasn't like that.

And I had to do three sketch, run. I've never done the school of language. I already have a show coming up. No, but I wanted to say, it's not necessary. I don't know how to put it into words. I have so much luggage, I have so many good things. We'll talk about it off camera. I'm a storyteller, so, whatever.

So, you know, today, my pillar, which is my husband, if he hadn't been like he was with me, he would have accepted things that he would never have accepted. And I have an antidote in my life. My husband is an antidote. I smoke weed on him. He's a real friend. And he's chill. He's an old man, and that's okay.

And I don't mind, as long as it's not something else. He's at home, he watches TV, he's relaxed, he's chill, he's very independent. If I hadn't had this kind of guy, who understood my past, the understanding that I'm trying to get up and that I really want to continue on the path to where I am now, he wouldn't be there for a long time. And you wouldn't be there anymore? I would be dead. I guarantee you I would be dead.

I was in the line for 65 days. I was leaving, it cost me 22000-$3000 in the same day. I was sleeping in the yard. I was telling you, a world that didn't have a little bit of my clothes. I had nothing left. I had nothing left. I didn't have a dresser, I had nothing left. I was treated as a murderer because people thought I was the murderer. It was on TV and they found a in the clandestine laboratory in Montréal-Nord in 2019. It was in our home.

So, you know, it's another story that I don't really like to go into details, but all of that made me go like, fuck life. Fuck life. I was desperate to give it to you. And with the fact that when I found my partner again, at first I said, I don't want a job. I need help. I need help, I'm broke. And my wife doesn't helped me.

Today, are you doing well with yourself? Yes. Today, I've grown. I've grown a lot because, you know, when you stop consuming, if you have work on yourself, you have to do it without a first at the start. You have babies to go to work on yourself, you have to do it without a first-hand at the start. You have babies to work on. I skipped the moment when I found the papers of my biological family and everything. I understood. I imagine it wasn't as fruitful and positive in your life.

I was disappointed. I was very disappointed to see what my father was doing. I couldn't believe I was better equipped than my father in life, in the sense that I had a nicer apartment, that I had furniture, that he didn't have, because he was an alcoholic and he liked to drink more than to live. Houses that are dead of overdoses, of water and acid, it was like it never stops, it's dead there. My mother died the day before my birthday.

Happy birthday! It's not even my birthday, and it's not my birthday anymore. But it's life. It's life. So today I have to find things that will give me the same high as when I was freezing, but naturally. So I myself give myself a high. When I get up in the morning, I'm in the bar, I'm at the tableau, I'm smiling, I'm happy because I tell myself that I'm doing it for myself. When I get up and I sit in my room and I think and I say,

OK, Caro, today we're working on impulsivity. It's a trap. For some people, it's commonplace. It's huge for me. To think before acting. Wow, what a beautiful thing. Your relationship with your sons, is it going well? Yes. Yes. My two sons are the top kings of my life.

The relationship I have with my eldest is... He's the top king of my life. The relationship I have with my older brother is... As you said earlier, he's your partner. He's the man of my life. He's really my copy of Pat. But the man of my brother, he was scary. He was scary because I was willing, but he was even more willing. But he upgraded. I went to him with a lot of passion. Often, it's the example I'm going to give to people, but I'm not sure he's going to use his hands on someone. It's not the same generative, it's not the same notion.

He's not going to use his hands, he's not going to use his name. He's going to take my hand. That's my son. He's extreme. We're going to wish that your vehicle could calm him down. My son is a very good driver. It's extreme. We'll wish that your vehicle could calm him down. One evening, I wanted to bring him to school and try to get the kids from the first grade to the top. We were intimidated because the kids from the fourth and fifth grade were there, and I dared to take him.

The kid was going to join the gang. I would have liked to find a way to analyze the path. What would I have liked to do for myself, at least what happened to me. Today, I write very hard for those who need justice, for those who need to be protected. I'm unable to tolerate that we abuse verbally, physically. I can't tolerate that. So if it's in my environment, I'm unable to tolerate that we abuse physically or verbally. I can't tolerate that. So if it's in my environment, I'm in trouble. Because I'm going to defend those people at any cost.

At any cost, I would never let a lady be yelled at by a man in a store. You understand? I'm going to defend them. That's for sure. Problematic. I'm a little bit like that, unfortunately. Unfortunately, no. Ask or whatever. Sometimes it's ways of doing that aren't always the right ones.

Exactly. And often there's no right way to do it in those moments. Because you don't know if you're doing it right or if you're going to say, hey, you're a bastard, you're doing that, you don't deserve to do it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So we're going to put it in our business. Oh, it's hard sometimes. Very hard. Caro? Yes. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you for sharing that. I've had several times, I know it wasn't easy, certain things. You left with, I think, two strikes in life. You've lived things. You haven't always made the right choices. You've had a system against you, sometimes not because of your fault, sometimes because of you, but you've come out of the water, you're in front of me,

and you're able to tell it today. Right. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Ça fait plaisir. J'espère que vous avez apprécié l'épisode Au Parloir. You