Au Parloir - Épisode #87 - Angy Riendeau, M.sc. Criminologue

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Angy Riendeau, une criminologue et conférencière, elle est passionné du domaine pénal & de la criminalité. Elle nous parle de son parcours, des différents cas criminel avec lesquels elle a traité et plusieurs histoires TROUBLANTES! Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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Leave a like, a comment if you liked the episode, share it on your social media, it'll take you 2 seconds. For me, it fait une grosse différence. Il y a mon site internet le www.cédricbergeron.com, où tu as accès à toutes les informations, autant sur ma carrière d'humoriste que sur le podcast, mes réseaux sociaux, tout est là à la même place. Il y a aussi la merch, donc les hoodies, les t-shirts au parloir. On a une belle association avec l'atelier QG de Trois-Rivières, une belle boutique en ligne qu'ils nous ont faite qui est disponible sur le site. Aujourd'hui, j'ai reçu Angie.

Angie qui est criminologue, qui a aussi un passé avec Famille d'Accueil, des PJs, tout ça. Et Angie, on en parle là pendant le podcast, risque de talking about it during the podcast, may become a collaborator of the podcast, either with chronicles, maybe we'll maybe meet at two times a year or six months. We'll see how it goes, and look forward to opening a clinic to come and help. Anyway, you'll see, we talk about all this during the podcast.

It's super interesting. I often like to meet people who work in the field. And honestly, it's one of the nice encounters I've had with people who work in the field. Podcast that I loved and I hope you'll enjoy it. See you at the studio! Angie, thank you for being here. It was a pleasure. I'm not wrong about your name. No, it's okay. It was out of the question.

There were little memories of my part. Before we get into the subject, probably I said it in my intro, we risk seeing each other again. We talk, we discuss, there's something that interests me a lot. We talked a lot before you came. Unlike my usual guests, it's rare that I talk a lot with my guests because I don't really want to know. You're different because you're a criminologist. You're not the first one I've received, but you have a different experience than the other one I received a long time ago.

And eventually, it's possible that people will see you again with the NG Chronicles at the speaking room. So basically, what we might think of doing is that when I'm shooting an episode, I'm going to send it to you. Sometimes we talk about things, I'm not a criminologist, I'm not a specialist in the carceral universe, and all that anyway. I learn with time. So sometimes you tell me, listen to the podcast, and there are certain points that you would have liked, or compared to what the guest said, compared to what he has experienced, sometimes you say, I would have liked that, bring precision to it. So there may be some episodes that we will send you, and you will say, OK, he has too many things I want, and there will be Andy's chronicles that will come out.

Basically, it's going to be like two podcasts. So there will be the podcast with my guest, and there will be the chronicles, where you will bring certain points, so we will have the podcast with my guest, and then we'll have the chronicles, where you'll bring in certain points, so we'll put the clips back. Anyway, we're talking about that. I think it's exciting, because if there are people who want to have some precision, I find that a super interesting concept. But before all that, you're there because we're going to talk about you, about your story, about what you do as a job, and about what comes with it.

Because you're starting a project at the end of March, which we'll talk about too. But we'll talk about it in the beginning, I'll do it like I do with all my guests. Who are you, where do you come from, your youth, your life. Because you told me that despite the work you do, you still have a certain background too. So let's go, I'll throw you the ball.

Well, thank you Cédric. Indeed, I hope we will be able to collaborate again. When people come to your podcast, they explain their experiences through sometimes criminal phenomena that are much bigger than them. Sometimes that's what's fun to explain and nuance in the future, because often what scares the population is the unknown. So by demystifying criminal phenomena, it will allow people to better understand what is behind certain phenomena.

That's it. Your goal is not to be on one side or the other. If someone comes and says, hey, I lived that during my arrest, I lived that, you're not there to say, yes, but but you were more there to bring me certain points on crime in general. Exactly, because the experience of the person, there's no one better placed than the one who experienced it to explain it.

And there's nothing good or bad, but sometimes there are bigger phenomena behind that which are interesting to understand. Literature is more and more explicit on certain subjects, so sometimes it's interesting. You know, I see it in my podcast too, there's often a kind of circle that comes back. There's a pattern, I'm going to focus more on the pattern,

there's a pattern often, it's not because some people have lived things in their youth that it will end like that and vice versa, but there's a pattern that often comes back, and it can be explained precisely, without excusing what people have done, but maybe explain why some roads have been taken instead of some other roads. I'm not a professional, you are one, you studied in there, so I think it will really bring something. And for you, your life? Yes. Well, listen, where do we start? We start from your youth, your birth.

You were born in a corner with that kind of family, and we go to your studies in criminology and today, and what's coming in the future. I would like to tell you that I come from the boss, but the boss will say that Tethermind is not the boss. Okay. I'm not going to put the boss on. Whenines is not the boss. I'm not going to put on the show in the boss, it's so much fun. I'm not going to put them in the water, no, that's it, but I come from the Thetford Mines region.

I spent my youth there. I actually have, often, people who will see me on a daily basis, many of them, will not necessarily... I will not necessarily talk about where I come from and why I crossed. What often comes out is that ANJ comes from a family of police officers, and she finished first class in criminology, she had an easy life. It's behind me, I want to clarify it right now. What I've been through in my youth, it's all behind me.

Where I am today, it's the path I decided to take with the people I decided to keep in my life. But it's certainly a totally family. My father died. Today he was an alcoholic and a drug addict. Very early. Did he die today or in your youth? No, he died in the last year. Okay. Yes, he died in the last year. I had no more links with him for a very long time, by choice. My father was involved in the justice system.

I was very young and I had already had no contact with him very early. In fact, when I came to the world, my mother quickly realized that she didn't necessarily want that environment around her child. So she left him. A unique child? A unique child from that union. From that union, ok. But my mother remarried afterwards, and I have a sister from that union, and I would have a half brother somewhere that my father would have had with another woman, but I don't have

a link with him. So... But all your links with your father were cut off young or you still... Very young, at the age of one year. And no contact afterwards with him? I had contacts with him again. I don't want to say anything, it's somewhere in adolescence. My mother asked me what I wanted as a gift for the holidays, and I said to her,

I would like to meet my father. So she took steps without telling me, because she didn't want me to live a second abandonment. on parler. Parce qu'elle voulait pas que je vive un deuxième abandon en fait, fait que c'est sachant pas s'il veut la connaître ou non, ben je vais faire les démarches sans lui en parler. Et un bon soir, ma mère était sortie, le téléphone a sonné, j'ai répondu et on m'a dit est-ce que c'est Angie? J'ai dit oui. Il a dit salut Angie, c'est ton père. Et j' aware of the steps. So I had some links with him at that time. But you know, the typical behavior of toxic-alcoholic always in the consumption phase, obviously, were really there, you know, promises, dreams.

There were a lot of things that obviously didn't respect his promises. There was a competition at the time, in high school, called The Art of Expressing. The theme was My Most Beautiful Memory. So I told the story the day I found my father, with great pride in explaining the wounds that it had brought and the joys that it had created to find them. And I won at the provincial level with this competition.

So I was really proud to read the story lived by me. But after that, he disappeared. He disappeared from my life. So I would have to ask him why. But he completely cut ties with me. So you had a few years of contact with him? No, not even years. We're talking about a few months. He left Quebec because of a consumer accident.

He had a arrest warrant against him. He left Quebec and never came back. He wasn't in Quebec at the time of those contacts, which was only by phone. Who? He wanted me to go and join them, but you know, I was a minor at the time and all that. It was really nice promises. Then it didn't bother him anymore, the story told through my words and my experience. So he disappeared again.

And in the last few years, at the years, now that I'm 36 years old, he wanted to get back in touch with me. I knew he was a down-townie in Vancouver. I don't know if you know this neighborhood, but it's scary. You could say that the mecca of down-town is consumption. Exactly. It's the worst neighborhood we have in Canada. Exactly. So I knew it would be hard, but I had told myself,

if I see it again, it will be face to face. Then in November, last year, so November 2023, I went to the West Canadian with my partner. I went to the Denton-Eastside to walk, and I looked at my partner and I said, I think it's going to hurt the day he dies, I went to the Danton Eastside to walk and I looked at my partner and I said to him, I think it's going to hurt the day he dies because I'm going to stay with answers that I'll never have. But it's going to hurt less than seeing him in that environment and going back with those images.

So we left the Canadian West and I decided not to meet him. I didn't know until a few months later, in March, in June, I had an exact date, I was going to get an appointment. He was unconscious at the hospital and I had to make the decision to disconnect him. So he left with the answers I would never have had, but it's okay. You were the one who had to make the decision. Well, his sister was with him, my aunt, with whom I kept in touch, the only person with whom I kept in touch in that family environment. But it's for sure that after that, you know, I was the only child known who had it, so the majority of the decisions

came back to me, so I had to send documents that basically gave her responsibility to her sister to take care of the test and everything. They offered me to go to the hospital, to go to the West Canadian the West Canadian before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he...

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... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he... ... before he...... before he...... before he...... before he...... before he... Exactly. So that's the fly. I find it flat, because it's zero-believing. It's just the image of these demons.

There were all these demons and there was an angel. You were ready to take you still went a step further. It's funny that you say that because my mother used to tell me, in my mourning process, last year, I'm still emotional, she used to tell me that she had already asked why she didn't come to see me often when I was little. I have children and sometimes I look at them and I say to myself, how can we make the decision to abandon them?

It's just unthinkable. And his answer was, it hurts too much. It hurts too much when I see it. So sometimes we console ourselves through these words because people have demons. My father did very, very strong drugs. He was on methadone to save himself. To save the reians. Exactly. I'm so happy, however, I don't regret not being able to talk to him because I don't have a negative image of where he was. You don't have that vision. No, exactly. I don't have that vision.

You have pictures of when he was younger, I imagine. I have a picture, the last picture we went together. I have a year, you know, and she and she was on my baby in the entrance of the house. And every time I look at her, I can't believe she decided to never see me again after that. He wanted to in the last few years, but I decided not to let him come back in my life. He had two chances. I went elsewhere in my life. I have children. I don't want them to live those feelings,

not understanding why Grandpa is there, why he's not there, why... You know, I don't want to stigmatize either. And I don't want to... I'm not in his head either. And except that... What were his motives at that time? When you're deep in drugs, it's the money that's prying, it's the consumption that's prying.

So did he see it as just a potential trick? Nobody knows, you don't know, neither do I, but to what extent... I agree with what you're saying, that it might not be a bad thing that you didn't see it again, to just see it. You have stories, you have images, you have a lot of questions, but to what extent would you have had answers? Or the answers you would have had, to what extent would they have done you good? Well, absolutely, because, you know, in the psychological follow-up I've had in the last few months, before going to the West Canadian, the psychologist asked me,

you have to take the time to ask yourself, N.J., what are you waiting for by going to see him, and what are you looking for? And I said, I'm looking for the perfect relationship that I've never had. She said, is he able to offer it to you? I said no. She said, maybe that's your answer. So, indeed, that's what I said to myself. Why go see a man who won't be able to meet that need I've had for 36 years? At some point, it's also about getting a stranger

into your life to create a... not a stress, but... You know, the people I love, I wouldn't want to know them in that state, you know. So, keeping them as strangers, I don't want to know about the people I love in that state. So keeping them as strangers, I protected myself too. Did your mother's second partner have a paternal figure? I'd like to say yes. But no.

He was also an alcoholic. The patterns, they had a child together, so I wasn't his child. He tried with what he could, because with his alcoholics injuries... With the faculties he had... Exactly, exactly, that's it. So very early in adolescence, I was placed in protection at the DPJ. Was it a complaint? It was me. It was me who called. It was me who called for them to come and get me.

I don't want to go into detail, it was all behind me, but I was placed in protection until the majority. I had a first placement of one year in a foster family. How old were you at that time? I was the first one to be placed in a family of one year. How old were you at the time? I was 14. Okay. So at 14, whatever the reasons, you keep them for yourself. I have no problem with that. I respect that.

So you call the youth protection? I call the police. The police, okay. I call the police because I have no idea how to call the youth protection. At 14, I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police.

I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to call the police. I'm like, I'm going to go back to the family home. Before you tell me that, how is this year going for you as a family?

Listen, I'm blessed. I really had an exceptional family. And if I'm here today, I know they're part of the people who have influenced the course of my life positively, who allowed me to have a respite at the level of a family environment at that time that was clearly dysfunctional, which means that I still have family ties with my family too. Do you still have ties with that family too? Did you keep a certain contact? With their boys and so on, not as much as I would like, you know what it is, when you meet young professionals with children, life goes so fast. leur garçon ici et là, pas autant que je voudrais. Tu sais ce que c'est, hein, quand tu tombes jeune professionnelle avec des enfants, la vie va tellement vite.

C'est pas à la porte, là, où elle est, ma famille d'accueil non plus. Donc, mais c'est vraiment des gens que je porte très haut dans mon coeur pour le reste de ma vie. Moi, écoute, moi, à chaque fois que j'entends des paroles positives, venant d'une famille d'accueil, moi, ça ne me fait que du bien Every time I hear positive words from a host family, it only makes me feel good because it's unfortunately rarely here the version we have. I know there are excellent host families, unfortunately here it's because of people who have had good and bad families. Unfortunately, it's for sure that if you just watch my podcast, you get think that the host families are all eaters, but that's not the case. We can blame a lot of things on the DPJ. You have to understand that it's a huge government machine that is far from perfect, like everything that is managed by the government. gouvernement, mais tu sais, moi, pour avoir fréquenté plusieurs personnes qui travaillent dans le milieu de la DPJ, je pense pas que personne rentre à la DPJ pour faire du mal.

Je pense pas que c'est le but de personne qui va étudier ou qui décède d'aller travailler dans ce milieu-là. Tu sais, malheureusement, ils font ce qu'ils peuvent avec les moyens qu'ils ont, puis avec les mains bien attachées dans le dos. with the means they have and with hands well attached to the back. You mustn't forget that they deal with young people who are spoiled. Very spoiled. And with biological parents, not always easy to manage either. That we must consider in the way you manage your home. My mother had these conditions that she could put and everything anyway. So, you know, I'm talking about the family, but I also had an exceptional social worker

who I think will recognize himself here in this podcast. Well, we salute him if he did a good job, because once again... He did a good job and he lived through some hard times. Really, not long after that, he was accused of sexual assault by another child from the DPJ,

which eventually proved to be false allegations. I mean, you work with children who are poquets, qui ont des réactions d'enfants poquets, ce qui peut aussi des fois changer notre propre perspective de notre trajectoire au sein de la DPJ aussi, tu sais. La famille d'accueil qui m'a accueillie m'a accueillie en urgence. Quand ça arrive comme ça, c' late at night, in my memory. I said yes because I was arriving in the middle of the night in the host family. It was a host family. When you decide to become a host family, you will choose strange ages. They didn't accept adolescents.

So, in a hurry, if we need a bed, we have to put it somewhere for the night. That's where I found myself and I'll remember all my life the scene of arriving with my little suitcases, not knowing if I made the right decision, you know, I was the one who took the phone, and having the two parents and their two boys waiting for me in the middle of the night to welcome me. My bed was made, you know. I cried, I was stressed. The next morning, Chantal, the host family's mother, changed her age group

at the DPJ level to keep me. So from that moment on, she started having adolescents, something that didn't try her best. But to keep me in her family, she made that change. And when the second placement arrived, they changed it. There was no room for this family, but they changed the arrangement to be able to welcome me back in the same house. So I was really lucky.

You're talking about second placement, because you've been there for a year, you've returned home. Yes. Clearly, if you've returned, I imagine that... Yes, between the two, there was the divorce of my mother and her spouse, with whom she had been with for two years.

We said we wouldn't go into details, it's really not my case, but did your problematical come more from her side, from the reason why you decided to call her, or was it a complete family mix? The problem was really in the mother-daughter relationship. Okay, ah, okay. On the other hand, the mother-daughter daughter was greatly impacted by the family environment, the problem, the consumption, everything that was around it. Perfect. My mother did the best she could with her wounds on her at that time. I'm very close to her today. That's why I told you I don't want to go into detail because I don't want to live in the past, it's behind me, but it's important to understand where I am today, and why my vision can sometimes be different in connection with the crime in young people,

and this passage of what adolescence can be striking, but not necessarily predictive of who you will be in life. Which is becoming your specialty in the future. Exactly. With the young people. We'll talk about it later. But I'm starting to understand why you... I'm going to slip a word into it. I'm like someone who buys my Christmas gifts too early and I give them in advance.

Because we'll come back to your story later, but I want to talk about it a little bit because I feel like I'm going to bounce back here. So you're going to open a private criminology clinic at the end of March. Exactly. If I'm not mistaken, to help young criminals. You gave me an example earlier of a young person who is not in the system, who has never been arrested, who has never been in the DPJ or something like that, and who was arrested, for example, with a firearm. So, between the moment he was arrested and the trial,

he returned home with his parents, and there is no social assistance, the DPJ is not there because it is not condemned at that time. So you, that's where you want to intervene, for both the young and the parents, for the environment, to bring a certain support. I will really favor, in fact, the help of parents. Okay. More than the young. Okay. Because, well, it's two, two, two ways of intervening are completely different.

And at the same time, we know through studies how important the family environment is in the development of children and adolescents, but also in the crime of the young. It's the way the parent will be able to support, accompany, understand. So that's why I want to focus on the parent. In the example you gave, it could be a young person with ancestors. He may have already been arrested, but because at that moment there was no more follow-up, his sentences were over, there was no delegation of youth to the case.

He can also be arrested when he was arrested with a firearm, but he can also be back. We say a firearm, but it can be for many other things. There are many, the Voix de Fee, the Neymet, there are crimes, and unfortunately there are more and more, more and more young. Well, our young people are not okay. Our young people are not okay, but parents are important. de plus en plus jeunes, là? Bien, nos jeunes sont pas qui. Nos jeunes sont pas qui, puis, bien, les parents sont importants.

L'environnement autour du jeune est important. Ce qu'on appelle, dans le monde humain, les structures sociales informelles, ce sont ces structures-là qui ont vraiment un impact dans le quotidien du jeune. Tu sais, c'est tout un environnement qui est chamboulé par une arrestation. Puis là, là-dedans, on a même pas parlé à ce qu'il y a eu de perquisition dans la résidence familiale. You know, it's a whole environment that is shambled by an arrest. And then, we didn't even talk about it.

Did there have been any inquiries in the family residence? Questioning the young person. And then we take the parent who is destabilized by what just happened. And it's up to him to come back and take care of the child who is destabilized by what just happened. And then we go back home saying, well, we cross our fingers that the parent will be able to accompany his child well in there, and above all to understand in what phase his child is in and also come normalize certain behaviors. Because, you know, crime is part of youth.

We're going to talk about bullshit, sometimes not necessarily about making a murder attempt by setting fire to it, but we are really, the young people are in a stage of their development, a phase of their development that leads to autonomy. They need belonging, they need security. And if it's not complete at home, they don't feel it either. Because sometimes, it has nothing to do with incompetent parents. It's really not where I want to go. We're really going to notice all kinds of family environments. But it's this dynamic that's going to make the difference

in the way we're going to support the parent. And sometimes, listen, in 100% of young people who commit crimes against teenagers, 95% of these young people, it's going to be a crime that's limited to teenagers. So it's really like, through the process, with the influence of the parents, with certain factors, sometimes personal, environmental, the neighborhood, whatever, it's only 5% to 10% of these young people sometimes staff, environmental, neighborhood, whatever.

It's only 5 to 10% of these young people who will persist in a chronic delinquency. So, from the moment we know that intervention is proportional to risk, 95% of these young people are not at risk. So, you know, the best way to help them is to help their surroundings, to be there for them efficiently, and sometimes not to aggravate the situation by our own adult reactions, our own fears, our own childhood wounds that it comes to us somewhere in us. I just have a question because we don't live with the podcast and the scale that this project takes from month to month. I have parents who write to me, you know. And precisely, their child has not been arrested.

But according to them, it's a matter of time. So now my son is really getting into consumption, into crime, he's becoming a little criminal. We see it, we see his frequencies have changed, his attitude has changed. We have the impression that if the same person has become aggressive, he has become violent, you know, at that moment, they will be able to turn to you to have questions or to have a way to approach them, to understand what may be happening with their child. to turn to you to have questions or to have a way to approach them, to understand what is happening in their child's mind. It doesn't mean you're not a fairy nor are you going to say,

hey, my little bum, ding, I'm becoming a first-class. But it's trying to give some tools to parents who are immune to this situation. Because the returns don't rain. That's it. The young person doesn't have to be arrested. It's just parents who have questions about what's happening, what happened. We'll say it, it's been a long time. If we talk about Montreal, there were some neighborhoods that were hotter than others. It's spreading.

We're talking about young people in the art section. I'm talking about art because, you know, I mean, in recent years, it's become a flaw. I'll take an example, and yes, I often talk about myself, sorry. But you know, I mean, in my neighborhood, when I was young, in my neighborhood, in our gang, there was one guy who had about 410 shots. He was the only one who had that.

Nobody had anything. He had one that he had to find in the basement of his uncle's house. But today, I went crazy. It's semi-automatic. It was in Saint-Bruno, young people in their 15s who have semi-automatic in their backpacks. So it's a phenomenon that takes place. There's a real spread. It's not centered anymore.

It's not in Hochelaga, Saint-Michel and Montréal-Nord. I mean, we're talking about Montréal, but wait, Saguenay, Rouyn, it's booming in that area. You can't be a criminal at Saguenay right now. I'm telling you. Not in Quebec. No, but it's true, I was going to do a podcast live last year, and these two girls who work at girls working at Transition came,

and it was not that. Two or three girls from Rivière came down to the Saguenay, because with everything that happened in the Saguenay, nobody was in the game anymore, they wanted to come and talk. So no, it's too crazy at the moment. I'm just afraid, even if it's been 10 years, I'm not in the game anymore. What's going on is too crazy. I'm just afraid to intervene in a podcast.

I'm just eating a fly because I talked about what I lived and what I did 10 years ago. It's become so at large. We were all young and we were all influential. We all have no gain, quickly. Music, Instagram, money. There are two points the money. So, you know, so... There are several points... Well, there are two points that I remember in what you just mentioned. First, the borders of crime. You know, in your time, in my time, we didn't have social media.

But it was what we saw, what was happening at home. It was what we lived by leaving our homes. I had grown up in St. Julie instead of in the old Longueuil. I'm not sure I would have been the in St. Julie instead of in the old Longueuil. I'm not sure I would have the same youth, because I didn't have access to what I saw and lived. One of the turning points in my decision, there were several things in the last months to open this clinic, but one of the turning points is when I found myself in my family

or that of my spouse, so in remote areas. And the comment when people know what I do on a daily basis, the comment that would often come back was, I'm so happy to raise my children far above that. And every time I said, but you're so careless. If you think that by not being in Montreal, you're raising your children far from the risk, well, not that I want to be an alarmist, because I'm really not in that kind of situation.

No, no, no, no, not alarmist, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no of vigilance, because we think we're far away. It's a bit like sexual assault. Often people will do it with, we want a public record, we want a public record. They will do it with the predator aggressor that we see in the media and in all kinds of shows, while the majority of children are being assaulted, even in the family home. So, you know, sometimes we're so focused on certain things

that we may not have the right view. So, my second point in what you just said, the goal of the clinic is really prevention. I hope to be able to join the parents where they will have consultation when we get to a turning point, an important point in the development of the child. But he's going to have webinars, he's going to have workshops, he's going to have tools, books that I'm finishing to write, to prepare the parent for this phase of adolescence. How to preserve his link with his child, this link, communication is so important. How far do we go as parents to ensure the safety of their child without taking away their autonomy, leaving their privacy as well?

We were talking about social media, parental controls. How far do I go? Will I read the discussions that my child has with parents? How do we manage this as parents to avoid going to a consultation. So yes, the majority of what is going to be done in this clinic will be to come and be at-large. What we call primary prevention, we don't target specific groups or whatever, we will come and be at-large, educated. You know, criminology is not a discipline that is really well known. We know it exists, everyone will say, I wish I had been a criminologist, but in the end, what I do on a daily basis, and what an intervener does on a daily basis, an

probationary agent, a container release agent, our tasks are so different. What brings criminologists together, no matter what field they work in, is that 100% of their studies will have been on criminal phenomena, on crime, crime, crime, but everything, crime, crime, but everything that touches around that, especially victimization.

You know, the criminologist is not a poor criminal, huh? Because often in society, you have to choose between victims or criminals. But that's not how it works. There are a lot of victims who become criminals. And if I don't work on crime, I'll just keep having perpetually victims. Because that's what it's like. You know, often the criminologist asks me what I do. Even I ask myself the question.

Listen, my mother is on the break and it's been 12 years since I've done this job. It's crazy because I ask myself the question of what a criminal does, and this week I learned that I have been assigned a duty in criminology classes. Oh yeah? What's the duty? Listen, it happens that he listens to episodes, and then... He has to comment them? He has to talk about my guest and what kind of criminal he is. Listen, I got a long message from a girl who studies in there.

You know, we listen to her and then after that, they debate and discuss the case of my guest. So I went to the university, when I was in school, we listened to films, I listened to podcasts. But it has always fascinated. It's not for nothing that in the media industry, or in the media, the various facts, it's always been a seller. But also in the TV series, it's always been a seller. It's a kind of side that interests almost everyone. I said it from the beginning. I started this project by saying, about ten episodes.

Oh yeah, you said it! Listen, we went through the 80s. But you know, I'm a humorist. My goal was there because I had a guest and it gave me... I was like, oh, take ten episodes on that, it's going to be interesting. And then, I started a humorous podcast. We're still not in a podcast humorous. Honestly, the reason I kept it is especially from the moment. And often people say, oh, it's because it's paying. I confirm that from the moment I decided to continue it,

and it wasn't paying, I was still losing money at that time with this project. It was when I started to receive messages from people who told me what this podcast was bringing them. So, you know, they're out of time. What does it bring them? Listen, because we're going far. There are people who... But it's interesting. Well, there are people who told me they stopped consuming

thanks to the podcast. Hey, really? And they really said, you know, when someone listens to me, they're like, wait, this person, with everything she's lived, she stopped, and then me, with what I've lived, I'm not capable. No, no, if she's that person who's capable, I have, what I've been through, I'm not capable of. No, no, she's the one who's incapable. I have people who have literally told me that it has saved their lives.

Guns to the head, ready to shoot, and listening to the podcast, and you know, and you gave me 24 hours more. Your episode yesterday gave me 24 hours more. You know, I've never met my father. And thanks to your podcast, I feel like I know him. I listened to that episode, and I feel like I understand more who my father was.

So it's a lot of parents, Okay, I understand. I understand what my son... My guy spent like 15 years in prison and he doesn't want to talk to me. I understand a little bit, maybe how he lived, what it was. So it's all those things that come have, it comes so much to me, and this podcast still feeds me, not metaphorically, I speak. In the content and in the...

Well, also, I'm not going to lie, that's what pays my food today. So, it feeds me too. But I mean, it feeds the human, it feeds me, it made me evolve so much as a human being and as a person, this project. And I had two questions. Yes. Regarding the clinic, after that I want to go back who projects you there. And I had two questions. Yes.

Regarding the clinic, and then I want to go back to your vehicle too. I follow you. Regarding the clinic, I'm a little more confused than usual, but I really wanted to talk about it. It bothered me to talk about it. Correct. Does this kind of clinic already exist? My goal is not to make you competitive,

but if I want to know, are these resources already there, or is not to make you competitive, but if I may ask, are these resources already there or is it something that you want to launch because there is a lack? Well, clearly, from my experience in the field, the resources to take care of these relational bombs, in the context of crisis, we are not even in prevention. It's not raining. Some people will be initiated by the public security minister's subsidies, but you know, it's all about up and down. So it comes and goes. It's the first thing that will cut it.

If you cut it in a budget, it's in there that we'll cut it. Exactly. Or it will affect specific neighborhoods, I'm thinking in particular of Pivot, which is a nice pilot project that is in place with incredible experts at the level of youth centers and SPVM. There is really a beautiful structure around that, but it touches specific neighborhoods. As we said earlier, the need is everywhere. And from there was my second question. Excuse me, I'm cutting you off because I imagine you're going to answer my second question.

Go ahead. The fact that you, if I'm not mistaken, you're going to be in Montreal. If you're physically in Montreal, but... I was talking about the Saguenay, I was talking about if someone who is in the bottom can have your services. Well, absolutely, because the clinic will be mainly digital at its opening. Perfect. Especially to have a much larger range and accessibility to criminology knowledge that will have no borders.

Listen, if crime has no borders in 2025, I don't see how help would help. So the goal is really to democratize this discipline, make it accessible, because you have access to a criminologist in life if you're in the system. So, you know, know, mostly because there are private practice criminologists, it's not like I'm going to be the first in the world. No, no, no, I know that's what I'm talking about. There are private practitioners, and they're going to have

different fields of expertise too. In this clinic, obviously, I'm not going to be the only one working. I'm already ready to receive several consultations. There are criminologists that I approached who are ready to take consultations. And it's not true that I'm going to say specialist in all the problems related to crime either. I still have my expertise fields that will allow me to

move the clinic forward, but I need people who have different expertise fields. Because as you said, criminologists are so broad. They are broad, exactly. It's really broad as a discipline, but it's much more targeted than many others, you know, because our field of expertise is around crime. So, here we go. All the links, even if they don't exist yet, when it's going to be there, you're going to have the links, the clinic, it's going to be...

Well, probably when the podcast is broadcast... It's all going to be online, it's all going to online, everything will be ready, it will be in the description. Kriminov's strategy. Kriminov's strategy. Exactly. So, for now, YouTube, while you're listening to it in the audio, you're like, where do I find it? Go to YouTube, in the description, click on the podcast description, all the links will be there, for sure. Exactly. And you know, the parents who will contact you... I'll forward them to you. Exactly.

And thank you for writing to me, but I'm sorry for my answers. Because sometimes I... No, but I tell people, I would like that. I would like people to ask me questions, but I don't have the skills to answer them. Sometimes I have people who write to me, like, hey, I have a friend, I have a partner in construction, but he doesn't want to help. I'm like, yeah, be there when he's ready, when he needs you.

Don't force him. When he's going to come, when he wants to, that's all I can say. But I'm not a pro, I didn't study in there. I prefer to refer to people who specialize in it. My goal is to help people via the podcast. It's the first goal. It's to demystify certain things and help them. I'm not a professional. More more tricky questions, more pointed, unfortunately, I'm not the right resource person. That's why sometimes I like to receive, as much as I've already received a lawyer, I like to receive people who work in the middle, because I feel badly equipped to help certain people.

I know that sometimes there are people who don't like to know more dark stories, But I think that episodes like the one we're doing are very important. Because you have to understand that adolescence is not a small box that's broken. Adolescence crime, we can't put every young person in a small box that will allow us to understand the entirety of crime. There's really a process of evaluation

to understand. Earlier, you were telling me, parents who write to me, their young people consume, but why do they consume? Is it an individual factor? Is it to reduce their anxiety? What are the reasons behind it? How to be able to help the parent, to be able to know what to bet on, where he went in his process. I worked in violent radicalization at the level of national security in the past.

There is a whole process to evaluate. We can't find a miracle recipe on the internet that will allow us to put our child in a small box and understand it. And we'll say to ourselves, go in a box and put a child in a box, in the middle of wanting to smash it, and to go completely against what you're trying to do. It's the worst thing. To put a leash on an enraged child, it's just enraging it even more.

It's the crime in adolescence, it's completely different from a criminal who's turned into an adult, not that something bad happens between 17 and 18 years old, but it's really contributing factors to consider are different. So that's why you really have to make sure you have a person who has good knowledge of that.

And it brings me to say that the clinic, yes, it will be there to support the environment, but also the professionals who are called to work with young people who have more specific problems in criminology and who don't necessarily have the background or the tools because they're not used to dealing with this kind of problem, you know, they can be found in all kinds of environments, organisms, and they're a little out of sight. Young people intervening. Young people intervening are really good. Yes, but there are some that may not always be used.

Maybe, but they have the tools inside. They have the references inside. I don't mean that they can't call me. They will always be able to take the training. Eventually, the training that we will develop with the clinic, the best if they are recognized by the order of the criminologists. I am a member of the order of the criminologists of Quebec. The recognized training will ensure that we always have

continuous, mandatory training. It will bring professionals, you know. But what I can tell you more is that in the middle, for example, I'm going to take the CLSC, where social workers will have all kinds of files via the access box. Not long ago, I had contacts with a social worker who was really, with a young person

who was in the process of radicalization and she had never had to deal with that. You know, really an obsession for firearms. So there are really tools that exist to allow us to know where the young person is, what they are looking for. We will intervene how on that, how we can help them.

She wasn't used to it because it's not her common practice to deal with this, but as a social worker in CLSC, we can have all kinds of problems that are brought to us. So it's the kind of service we're going to offer, to be able to support and help out there. So it's sure that being a member of the professional art, it helps the professional to be able to... I believe a lot in multidisciplinary teams, our disciplines, whether it's psychology, social work, or psychoeducation, when you start working together,

there are wonders that come out of that. Now we're going back to the Doloréan, and I'll bring you back to the early 2000s. Okay. I'm going to listen to you. And the 2000s! I did my calculations, and I told you your to the early 2000s. Okay. I'm telling myself, listen, I did my calculations, and you said your age was earlier, you said at the age I had called you, so I tell myself, we're back to the early 2000s. Yes.

You come back after a year in a family of hostages, you come back home. Yes. Your mother divorces you. Yes. That's it. Listen, the timeline is a bit blurry. But yes, there will be a divorce, so a move. In fact, I would even say that the man with whom I was married

was caught in important judicial proceedings that implicated me, but not that I was implicated, we agree, I was minor at that time, but that brought a whole, I get along. I was a minor at the time, but he brought a whole... I know very well what a young person can live, as well as a parent, when the police arrive at his residence to question him. Let's say that's what I can tell you. Okay.

So, there's a divorce. My mother is moving out. In fact, we're going to lose everything. He's going to lose his house. We're going to lose our house. We're going to lose our house and everything. on va déménager, en fait on va tout perdre. Il va perdre notre maison, on va perdre notre maison et tout. Et puis, et là comme je t'ai dit, le timeline, ma mère va peut-être écouter ça pis dire, ben on est même allé, tu sais, des fois dans nos... On s'excuse, maman. On s'excuse pour ça, c'est pas important. Le timeline est que là, bon, je retourne, je retourne vivre avec ma mère et bon, I live with my mother and there's an event that will lead to my placement to the majority.

So I'm back. At that time, I was 15 or 16. Again, is it your body or this time it's... Yes, it was more serious. It was more serious as an event. And then... Related to the mother-daughter relationship, the mother-daughter relationship, it's not perfect. Yes. I know you don't want to go into details, and I respect that, if you just want to situate me where we are.

Yes, exactly. So I go back to the same family. It's reassuring. At that moment, my studies are not going well. They're really not going well. I feel like I'm not getting anywhere. In fact, I tripled my secondary 2 math. We were a little bit younger before that.

Really, school, I have no interest in that. I have no goal. Today, through my studies, I realized that the environment made it not profitable for a good development at that level. So I will finish by dropping out of secondary school. And I will ask, in the end, since I had a placement until the majority, the horrors I saw in the host family, not the host family in the eyes of the young, but the other young people I lived with.

If you remember, I was the first teenager, so they're very small. The others who are there, I wasn't able to see that and consider that I was taking the place of probably another child who doesn't have a place, who needs that place, even though I felt quite old. Because the horror stories that they told you about the host family, when you know that you're in a good host family. In fact, horror stories were what these young people lived in their family home. Because often they will have the right to visit at the end of the week. The children would come back poked.

And often, I have children who cried to me. I was a teenager at the time. I come back from my parents' house, live with sexual harassment at home, go back there at the end of the week. The children are active. The foster family must start again to do their job because the child comes back in shock. The shock crisis, I know.

It's dysfunctional. We ask if he doesn't come back to his home to be able to move forward with the young and not always come back. But in short, at one point, I feel guilty of taking the bed of a child who doesn't have the means to steal his own wings, who depends on a responsible adult. So we turned to my request in front of the judge. At that point, since I'm not a major, my mother had to accept it, but I wanted the judge to accept that I could leave the foster family.

So at that time, when you leave before you're 18, there's a follow-up with the social worker outside. So you had to have a house to live in? No. You just wanted to be emancipated? I just wanted to free the bed. Okay. And if you saw in the kind of mess I went through in Quebec, leaving from there, it wasn't really emancipation. Not really, you know.

But I arrived, I remember, and I still have the judgments at home. The judge was quite stunned at how organized I was. I arrived in front of the judge with a budget, I had found a job in a small laundry shop, I had found this room that wasn't great, but I had a plan. You had a roof over your head and you were able to prove that you could have a baby. Exactly. So the judge accepted, with my mother's authorization. It's really, at that time, you know, I don't want to talk about my mother,

but it was more the host family that was like, let's say, a figure of support in there. They prepared me, they prepared boxes and everything for the move. And I live my life on a daily basis, minimum wage. I have some misery to eat on a daily basis, you know. I have the social worker in the back of the DPJ who continues to follow up on the outside. So she comes to see me, she makes sure that everything is beautiful until I'm 18. At 18, well, there was a direct cut. Happy holidays!

That's it. And it was okay. Honestly, you know, I... In fact, it's a good thing. It's a bit like rehabilitation. It's a bit like conditional release. You know, basically, I was prepared to live from my own wings without frames. And it was reassuring to have a form of framing too, de mes propres ailes sans encadrement, pis c'était rassurant d'avoir une forme d'encadrement aussi,

tu sais, qui m'aide à introduire la vie d'adulte graduellement. Je me permets, c'est pour la première fois et pour la dernière fois que j'en parle, je veux saluer un organismes, moi, qui me tient énormément à cœur, qui est la maison Stéphane Fallu, qui justement aide les jeunes qui people who will leave DPJ at 17 and 18, and who may not be as talented as you were at your age. Exactly. So it's just a house of the corner of the room for young people who go out, because when you're DPJ at 18, it's your party, you're a boy, and bye. Exactly.

You get out of the system. You're a major, system. You're no longer a major and you're out of the system. There are places like the Stéphane Falu house that continue the job of the DPJ to meet young people, to help them. When I hear this story, for me it's an automatism to plug in. I know there are others. I plug in the one from Stéphane Falu because I'm an organizer that I know well, with whom I've already participated, I've done some things. But I know there are many others, and you deserve all the respect. It's just that I don't know them personally.

That's why I always plug in that one. It's just to send little charlottes to the people who do this work. Yes, yes. No matter the initiative, the organization, we never know when we're going to be the figure that will make the difference in the life of a young person. So we really shouldn't underestimate the impact we can have, even if we think we're a red fish in a dangerous sea. We can really have an impact. And every young person with a beautiful journey will say it and be able to name those figures that made the difference. So yes, we have to salute these initiatives.

I want to ask you a question, and I know the answer at all, so I think I'll let you ask it. Because with everything you're telling me, there are several factors that could have made it possible for you to fall easily into consumption. Let's say there are several shellsaches that make it like... It would be a nice escape for you, you know? Is it something that has been part of your life or...? In fact, I was so afraid of the genetic factor that probably lives in me in connection with consumption

that the first time I took a glass of alcohol, I was 19, 20 years old. It was really long. It scared you. It scared me. I was scared. I really had genetics for that. More and more we talk about genetics behind the scenes.

And with your second husband in addition. Yes, environmental factors around that, but I had been traumatized. I really have traumas in connection with consumption that I still realize today. You know, flashbacks in specific situations that come back to me because I relive events, and even my mother will tell me sometimes, I can't believe you remember those details. So, those traumas probably made me stay away from that. I didn't necessarily have an environment around consumption. I mean, in my entourage, my friends, that's it. But when I first joined the family, the first time,

in the first chums I had, it was very limited. Very limited. I wonder if I wouldn't have had this family, what kind of spouse I would have chosen. Because we're looking for... But daddy issues are also present. And if you see the spouse I have right now, it's like the opposite of the paternal figures I had, but the problematic paternal figures I had.

Because masculine figures, good, inspiring, reassuring, I had plenty. So there's something in my development that made me go for that. It's been 17 years since I've been in a relationship with the same man. I feel so blessed, and today, what hurts the most, as much as it hurts positively, because when it hurts, it's not necessarily positive, but it's negative, it's when I see the perfect relationship of my partner with his daughter. The number of times that it makes me emotional to tell myself, all the little girls should be happy, and that's what I'm going to do. the perfect relationship of my partner with his daughter. The number of times that it makes me emotional to say, all the little girls should deserve me.

A little jealous, but without being jealous of your daughter, of this relationship, to say, hey, I would like that. I tell myself, if there is one thing that I have succeeded in my life, it is to choose a man at the height of the father that I would have liked to have for my children. But there is really something special c'est de choisir un homme à la hauteur du père que j'aurais voulu avoir pour mes enfants, mais il y a vraiment quelque chose de particulier de voir cette relation-là avec ma fille. Je me dis, si j'avais eu ce papa-là dans ma vie, maudit qu'il y a des étapes qui auraient été plus faciles.

Plusieurs étapes. Parce que, tu sais, même aujourd'hui, il y a un problème dans la maison. On parlait de Réno, là, avant's a problem at home. We were talking about Reno before we got here. Yes, I know Reno. That's it. It's really my husband and his family that I can count on. I'd like to see my father come in the door and say, Hey, it's flowing, I'm here, how can I help? Pat, you're overflowing, my husband, you're overflowing. your renaux, I'm here, I'm going to help you. A dad who comes to speed things up.

No, he won't make it. And even in, I see my daughter in her emotional elapses and all that, and seeing her welcoming in those emotions and reassuring. I swear it's going well in life, that's what you have as a paternal figure. So it's not about the desire, it's more a feeling of pride to tell myself, despite all this, look at what you leave to your children, it's perfect. After that, the rest is... And how does the 17-year-old girl who is in a bedroom, who works in a laundry shop, and a second grade, end up not going to criminology, and ends up in high school,

and goes to college and all that, how do you manage to rub your hands, and what attracts you? What is it that makes you go for criminology? You rubbed your hands, and what attracted you? What was it that made you go for criminology? We're going back to the dollar. Okay. A few years ago. Personal and social training. Personal or professional?

No, in my time it was personal. I'm a little older than you. Listen, you're going to be sorry to feel like you did boxers in that class? No, we had... That's what I remember, but... I fell into consumption when I was a teenager. I was well beaten in my fpx classes. I thought you were going to say you fell into consumption in that class.

No, no, no, in both classes. No, in this class, at one point, we received a federal criminal in rehabilitation. I was sitting there and everyone was like, how do you do that? How do you feel when you're young? Half of the class was like, oh my God, he's dangerous, I'm not going to sing in class until he's out of school. Me and my very good friend at the time, Nat, were fascinated by hearing that man testify about his experience, where he was from. So when he left, once we secured the school establishment, the man had left.

We went, obviously you understand that I laughed because I remember... I heard irony, don't worry. I just wanted to be sure that she understood. We went to the Orienteur's office. We said, who works with these people? And that's where I heard for the first time the job of a criminologist. But the Orienteur, who knew very well our academic implications,

to Nathalie and me, who were pretty bad at the time, told us, girls, you'll have to get in touch if you want to go into crime, because it's extremely complicated, it requires almost equivalent medical skills to get into these programs at university. At that point? Yes, yes. Since the beginning of the professional order,

we celebrated our 10th anniversary. Universities have adapted. It's a little less worse than in my time. But it will also have a less complicated police security path. There's a lot of people. I went to a university class, I was talking to future criminologists. Well, it's because sometimes you have to make the difference

between the certificate, the criminology certificate is not contingent, so often in courses that group in the background, that cut and don't group, courses and certificates, well, that's where it gives auditoriums of 300 students. But in there, it's not all people who are baccalaureate and who will become criminologists. Because in Quebec, to be a criminologist, you have to be a member of their profession.

You really have to be an intervention student because there are two branches. But there, we can demystify the job of criminologist. But what I find odd in what you said is that, there's someone who came to talk and you were born alive. Exactly. And you know, when I go to this class, there's someone who came to talk, and you were born alive. Exactly. And when I went to this class, there was someone who came to see me.

I was in computer science, and because of your podcast, I shifted to criminal science. At that point, I realized that academically, I couldn't do it. I said to myself, OK, let's forget about the project. 2007, so I went to the U.S. in the early 2000s. I'm exactly where you were explaining earlier, minimum wage, difficulty eating in the evening, I'm pretty lonely in the world, but I have a boyfriend at the time, who studied medicine for several years,

and I really have the feeling in me that I can't do anything. When people you meet on a daily basis are girls in medicine, you say, Angie, what are you doing? Well, I don't even have my high school degree. So it really wasn't the stage of my life where the estimation was the highest. December 2007, the death of my friend Nathalie suddenly came. The one with whom we had hung on that job. de mon ami Nathalie subitement. Celle avec qui? Celle avec qui on avait accroché sur ce métier-là. Fait qu'elle décédait d'un accident de la route,

donc ça nous a tous chamboulé. On était un groupe d'amis de ces séries depuis longtemps. Elle et ses parents étaient vraiment très, très, très présents dans ma vie, notamment quand j'étais placée en famille d'accueil, ils m'avaient fait un lit, ils dis me. They said it was like home, their home. They really were among the important figures of attachment at the parental level. So when Nathalie died, it brought me back to reality. Nath was already back in school.

She was back with the adults. We had dropped out of school together, actually. I don't think I told you that. We had dropped out of school together. But she was back in school. And it was going well. Her death made me think, Angie, life is too short for you to continue to waste it like you do right now.

So I went back to high school, I did my high school year in full because I had tripled my 2nd grade. I didn't even know how to do my 436. I don't even remember how to do a multiplication. So I went back to high school and went back to university as an adult at 21. So I never did any CEGEP, which is probably the best thing that ever happened in my life. Because if I had entered the Cégep at the age of 18, I wouldn't have had the necessary grades to enter criminology because at that time, I wasn't there in my life. Like many young people who are asked what they want to do

in a moment of their life when they are completely confused. It's a tough question, but those notes can impact the rest of your life. So I was blessed to drop out of school. Honestly, that's the best thing that happened to me. First of all, to know that... It's not an invitation, young people. No, no, no, but... In your situation, it was...

My child... I'm telling you, Cédric. My child arrives at 17, 18, and says, Mom, I don't know what I want to do in life. Well, wait. Don't waste your job opportunities by going to study in something you don't know what you want to do. I hope my kids will tell me that, and then I'll give you a YouTube or influencer. Well, some have a better life than me.

I said that and that's what I became today. All I want is for my kid to be able to do it. That's what I became today. No, no, no, please. All I want is for my child to be good in what he's doing. And of course, no, I don't encourage school dropouts. Not at all, but in my path. No, no. Not because you're 17 that you have to choose. If you don't know, well, after a year, you'll live life.

I'm for the... I have some kids, I didn't go to college either, but I couldn't be at university either. The first time I stepped into a university class, it was like a guest. But I have friends who, after high school, said, I'm going to the West for a year and I'm going to live my life a little bit. And then I'm going to... And it's fine because he's going to school. And today, there's one who's a high school teacher. I'm going to live my life for a year, and then I'm going to... And it's fine because it's just going to go in the right direction.

And today, there's one who's a secondary teacher. So it's not because you take a year or a break. There's really... I wish no one to have the path I have. It's not an easy path. Today, I decide to see it positively. But what I want for all young people is to be able to pursue their school career with parents who are there, a framework, a family environment that is supportive, that is supportive, and that will lead them to success, no matter what they decide to do in life. I wouldn't go through your studies, you went to school, you did your thesis, unless extraordinary extraordinary things during your studies. Well, what's extraordinary is that I went from a first-class

to a contingency field where you only find yourself with first-class balls. I realized that when you know what you want to do in life and when you have motivation... And you like it. And you like it, it can really make you a completely different professional. Before you leave, I want to know, because yes, the clinic is coming, but what do you do?

I know we can't go into the details in your work, and I respect that, I understand that absolutely. I'm already happy that you got the permission, I'm asking you in parentheses, to be able to come. But everything will be for public safety. In the realm of public safety. Yes, it's been 12 years since I've been working as a counselor. I really walked around in several cities. In fact, my partner played for the Canadian Football League, so we went to live in the West Canadian.

We walked around, which led me to see different systems in terms of public safety across Canada. So I work as a counselor really in different areas of public safety. I worked at the level of conditional release at the beginning of my career. I did internships in detention centers. I worked with women. Well, I didn't work, but I was a volunteer with women who were victims of violence, also in conjunction with women

involved in crime. So I still touched on different types of crime. I was also a volunteer in the support circles and responsibilities at the time, which was a federal initiative for the re-insertion of dangerous criminals. In fact, criminals who often committed crimes that led to life sentences. So they will be released from prison after 25 years of incarceration alone. So the responsibility of the Serbs is to go and look for members of the community

who will come to support the criminal in his re-insertion. So it was an incredible experience because, first of all, I was a woman. The men with whom I was married were men, sexual aggressors, very violent towards women. And I loved the experience in the sense that that's where it made me discover, my God, that the world is not what it is. As you said at the beginning, it never apologizes for their crimes. Never. But it's there that, at the same time as when I had this federal criminal

who came to talk to us in the FPS when I was a teenager, well, that feeling of telling myself, I want to work with these people, maybe because there's a part of me who says to myself, well, I was lucky to have the right people in my path so I wouldn't have to go back. On that side, I want to be that person, for those people who are pocky.

So you really went to get expertise in all areas. During my studies, it's important. You can work with police officers if they have questions about cases. You can work with police officers if they have questions about cases. You can advise them. For example, a prosecutor can get in touch with you in certain areas

and you can work with them if they have questions about certain individuals, things like that. Exactly. So your expertise is really there. And from there, listen, I'm going to wrap this up, and from there, the NG's chronicles. Ah, the guy who brings that back. Well, that's what we talked about at the beginning, so it's a bit of that. Since you really have an expertise that will affect super wide,

and that's why we were saying a little bit about the way we would like to do it. We discussed if it would happen. I hope so, but it will happen with your schedule, your choices and your decisions. But it will really be... So the way we want to proceed is following a recording, I will send it to you. And if you think you can bring something, it won't be in the episode. We will put it in, so maybe one or two, three days, whatever. Sometimes I shoot one month in advance,

sometimes three days in advance, so it's never. So it's going to be, you know, for example, if we release episode 85, and you're alive, so there's going to be the NJ chronicle on episode 85, which is going to be another video that complements you alone, or maybe we're going to put extracts

of a part of which you want to talk about, so we're going to put the extract and we're going to have your chronicle. Exactly. on the fly, but whatever. Because I think, me, listen, first of all, thank you for coming. Super interesting. I find it really interesting. I know sometimes it's maybe not the podcasts you like, but I think it's important to understand the people who work in the industry, to understand what people do, the reasons why people do this job. And I think that's a very interesting thing.

And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing. And I think that's a very interesting thing, but I think it's important to understand the people who work in the industry, to understand what people do, the reasons why people do this job. I think it's super important. In addition, you came up with a personal story that I found quite interesting. And thank you for wanting to get involved in this project, to bring answers that I don't have. And well, it can happen to me.

It's for sure that sometimes there are people who write to me and they tell me, hey, that was it! What? Sometimes, because the person who just listened to it, hey, the name you were looking for was that! I have no idea what you're talking about. You say, hey, when you say that, it's not really true. It can be, you know, maybe. So, you know, to have a professional

who can bring little tips or really, you know, more technical. So, I think it's going to be super rewarding for the audience. It can also come from your audience, the questions related to crime, you know. You know what? I just had a flashback. We're going to create... We're going to talk about it again. It won't be right away. I'm going to try to work...

It's going to be full on the next day. I have... My collaborator, Catherine, we're going to create a message. Like, NJAUPARLOIR at gmail.com. I hope it's going to be that. No, but something like that. I'm going to put it in. But we're going to create a newsletter like that. If you see that there are repeated questions, because now there may not be an

example episode that will come to your house, but if you receive a lot of questions, now you can have one of your chronicles that will be like, I had the question of such and such a person about this and that. We don't know what's going to happen between us, but something is going to happen to us, but something's going to happen to us.

The goal is really to accompany people in there, to help them understand better, and finally to get them out there winning. And if people have questions that I don't have the answers to, which is 90% of the questions I get asked, well, there's going to be a professional to help us. Yes, and there's going to be others with me. I won't be alone in there.

I'm practically like a blank sheet. Perfect. I think it brought me a layer more to this project. Thank you for coming and sharing all that you gave us as a game and what's coming. If it can inspire, I'm happy. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. You