Au Parloir - Épisode #89 - Larbi

Episode Date: May 11, 2025

Dans cet épisode, je reçois Larbi Benkaddour, un ex-conseiller municipal de la Montérégie nous partage son parcours après s'avoir fait prendre avec 6 millions $ en cocaïne dans sa voiture, et condamné à 6 ans en prison en Ohio. Il nous raconte son parcours vers le crime & sa vie d'aujourd'hui! Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

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And the cedrequibergeron.com, which is my website where you have access to all the information, as much on the podcast's rags, my social media, and my career as a moorish. Today we received Larbi, Larbi is a Moroccan immigrant who arrived at the age of 29. It was a municipal election. He was president of three organizations. He had a job, then was then a business manager. The business didn't work, he got into a flurry.

He had a lot of dark ideas, where he ended up doing cocaine transport. He got arrested in Ohio with 76 kilos of cocaine. He ended up in prison in États-Unis pendant six ans. Ça fait quelques mois qu'il a été libéré, qu'il est revenu, qu'il a repris sa vie en main. Podcast très intéressant. Encore une fois, je me répète, j'endose pas nécessairement les gestes, les idéologies, les termes utilisés par mes invités, mais je suis une personne qui prône la liberté d'expression. J'aime les gens francs qui parlent avec leur cœur. the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I'm a person who takes the freedom of expression. I like frank people who speak with their hearts.

Welcome to the speaking room. L'Arbille, thank you very much for being here. I was talking to my collaborator, and listen, the little information I had, I was like, wow, this is going to be an interesting podcast. After that, you talked to my collaborator, who quickly wrote to me, absolutely, I have an Excel file,

she leaves me notes, and she wrote to me, absolutely, you must receive it. You're there, well, thank you for being there, for being present, for sharing your story with us. I do the same thing with all my guests. I don't just start with one event. I start from the beginning, from your birth. Where do you come from, what family do you grow up in? We'll go through that until today.

I lived the day in Morocco. I was born in Morocco in 1972. My parents had two daughters before me, but they were dead. So when I arrived, it was like a gift from heaven. I fell ill when I was a baby. They were also very afraid that I would follow my sister. So, God bless them. My parents had five children after me. So, it's three girls and three boys.

So, I'm the first one in 1972. I have my little brother who is my son. My son was first in 1972. I have my little brother, who is my son. I call him my son, who was born in 1989. So you are seven children, father? No, six. Okay, six, including. Perfect. Six, so three boys. And according to the Moroccan customs,

the son born is like a father to everyone. So I must be the right example to follow. My father was a soldier. In 1976, he went to war. From 1976 to 1983, we saw him 20 days a year. So you quickly became a father to the family. At 4 years old, I was told I was the man in the house. It's a big burden for a 4-year-old child.

It's a big burden. My mom trusted me a lot. So I had to be the model for my brothers and sisters, the protector and all that. From there, it forged a character and it's from there that it forged my sense of responsibility. Because we're going to come with what I did, so we're going to come with that. That's what happened. So, of course, I wasn't sure I had a small pass in relation to my brothers and sisters. So, it was always, we treated me as an adult.

So, we treated me as an adult. So, there was no maneuvering in your life? No maneuvering in my life. And at school, I was a double in primary school for three years. Okay. So, the first year, the third year, and the fifth year. It's not because I wasn't intelligent, I was hyperactive. In a country like Morocco, hyperactivity is all for children,

so it wasn't something to be diagnosed with. Even here, you're talking to someone who's a primary school student too, and it's not because I'm not smart, it's more because I had to do all of that. Except for me, being racist. Listen, it's ironic, today I'm living my life by listening to someone talk, but when I was young, I wasn't able to do that. It was the same thing. It was the same thing at the same time. So at the same time, it was very, very difficult for a child to have this responsibility.

And there was a relationship of love, which is, as it is the first woman I fell in love with, it's my own mother. Not when I say love, it's not a love... No, no, no, I understand. It's a maternal love. So it's someone that I felt like... It's my teacher.

That's why when I hear women, the problem of women and men, the men who are better than women, or our culture, like Arabs, or Muslims, don't like women, I'm a little bit insulted. Why? Because mom is the first person who fell in love with me before she knew what sex I had. What beauty I have, my kind of beauty do I have? What kind of breath do I have?

What kind of blood do I have? What kind of blood do I have? What kind of love do I have? What kind of unconditional love do I have? So there's no one who's going to come and talk to me about women. I don't take that as a match. I've always learned, thanks to her, that there's no equality between women and men.

We don't talk about equality because we tend to compare. There are differences. And for me, what I believe is that women complement men and men complement women. So... I'm... So... I... We'll start with a debate. In fact, I agree with a certain portion of what you said. At the level where you said men and women, I'm concerned, are equal at all rights. That's what I mean.

It's the right side. I mean, a woman is cooking, a man is shopping. I mean, we all have the same rights. But it's not comparable. We're just going to talk physically in a sport. cuisine, un homme c'est la shoppe. Ça, non, je veux dire, on a tous les mêmes droits. Mais c'est sûr qu'on n'est pas comparables. On va juste parler physiquement dans un sport. C'est ça, c'est différent. On a déjà parlé au podcast ici. J'ai déjà reçu une fille qui est sur la liste des agresseurs sexuels.

C'est une prof qui a couché avec un élève qui est une femme. Mais souvent l'inverse, parce que physiquement un homme est plus facilement enclin But often the opposite is because physically a man is more easily inclined to take on a woman because physically there is a percentage of chance of having the upper hand physically on a woman. But I understand what you mean. I just wanted to make it clear. In your mind, men and women have the same rights. Civil. That's it. Civil. In everything, but it completes one another. Yes, it's different. It's different in that.

Look, where I was, I learned that predators are predators. It's like in the forest, there are lions, there are gazelles, there are mice. A lion is a lion, whether in a cage or in a little predator. Because there are people who want to put them in their house like pets, but it doesn't work. Or there's a wolf. Well, look, he bit me, but look, it's a wolf. So it's not their nature, it's their nature.

If you don't excuse anything, it's something that's on the inside. I just want to put it in the video because we'll come back to it. It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a

It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a It's a bit of a Because you can be a predator outside, you can become a prey inside. No, it's clear and clear. I faced my experience when I arrived there. I gave you very concrete examples. But from there, the sense of responsibility towards me developed. So I had to be responsible. In 1983, my father came back in 1983. He came back from the war zone in China.

But look, he was like a foreigner. And my father was someone who didn't have a father, who didn't have a mother. So no brother, no sister. A soldier who went to the military at the age of 16. So when the elephant flies, the elephant flies. So there's physical violence in there and all that. In the military and all that, it was like something. Well, yes, traumatists too, if you don't have that in wartime. No, it's for sure. And they didn't have, how would I say it, like the prison search

of these people. These people, you train them to be killers, professional killers, and it's legal to kill in this time. If you're allowed, then they come back to society. No, you have to respect life. That's why a lot of people... And I also understood that in prison because I saw American veterans and all that. We talked about it. The El's and Jo's were founded because of people who came back from the war. I had here an old military man. There are a lot of old military men who turn around. That's it. The world doesn't see this facade.

That's why we're in prison. I met people and they look at their stories. For me, I started to laugh at my story because I see their life journey. Sometimes I think I'm the worst, but when I compare... When you compare, you get used to it. same page, we're on the same page. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't like that in my case. But you see, this podcast does that in society.

A lot because, and we repeat it a lot, but there are a lot of people who listen to this podcast saying, hey, if that person managed to get out of it with what they've been through, if I get on the same page, I think I'm able to get out of it too. And I get that a lot. That's one of the reasons why this project is alive. It's because of those messages that I receive. That's why I saw a story that made me laugh. There was a man who had no shoes,

and he kept complaining about going outside, and he kept complaining about going outside, and after that he saw someone who had no feet. So there he started to say, let's see, he doesn't have any feet. I have feet. So when you compare the situation to the worst, there he had the lesson of his life. I must be content.

It's sure, I'm starting to be content with what I have. I thank the good God. I'm believing that... We can hope for the better. But it's already a good start to what we have. Yes, but it's not letting go. There was a friend, I can say brother, it's not a friend, because we're in situations where I've been through, so we didn't continue the story. There are relationships that you can tie with stronger people than eternity.

That's it, the bond of blood. As soon as he saw me, sometimes they saw me at the beginning, I was enraged, I went into battles and all that, to survive, and they said, Larbi, you have to choose your battles in life. But it's not all the battles, you're going to win them. But before we get too into it, there's a lot of things that happened before battles and breaks.

I was at the end of your primary school and your father just came back. We'll come back to those stories. No problem. My father, in his fifth primary school year, when I doubled my third year in primary school, he told me something. He said, look, you've lost all hope in yourself. You'll never do anything in your life.

I really like my father, but in the meantime I didn't understand why he said that. But with time, he can't give me what he didn't have. I'm not apologizing for the misbehavior, but with time, we understand where it comes from. In his mentality, which he was educated by someone, so that's not what we're talking about. Choosing words was not his expertise. So, as we said, it doesn't excuse what he said to a young child. But at the same time, I don't want to victimize myself. It's another time.

It was that. It's another country. It's a young man who, after the season, has been militarized. So, as you say, it doesn't excuse anything. Like me, there are people, it will be nice to have lived. I mean, let's say someone who took life from another person. What you did, it's an excuse. No matter what you've lived, no matter what the other people have lived,

we can understand that it leads to that, but it doesn't excuse anything. It's like you're trying to understand. We understand why your father says that, we understand where it comes from, but it doesn't excuse anything. It's not a reason to accept that, but we understand where it comes from. Because most of the time, we stop at the symptom. We don't go because of the gesture. So what happens to him at a symptom. We don't go because of the gesture. So what happens to him is that he has symptoms.

He also lives with them. So he can't give me what he doesn't have. So if you don't have a dad who has... In an environment, we can choose someone from any environment. We don't go far. We just go to the same city. There are two families. There is an environment for everyone. You will see two children who were born in the same city, there are two families, there is an environment for everyone. You will see two children born in the same hospital, but with two different parents,

with different backgrounds, it will give the result. We will not make exceptions that we talk about black sheep. We are not talking about that, but we are talking about your environment, your character for the future. I'm aware of that, but with time. Because of my experience, it gave me time to think about why I'm saying this. That's where I come back to. So I said to myself, no, I'm going to prove to him that he was wrong. Because he, what he didn't understand, in time, I'm a very rebellious boy. So he hits me for something, but tomorrow I'm doing worse than I did by hitting him.

So you're not going to break me. He can say what he wants. At the age of 15, I started to be more intelligent. So I don't get caught up in anything I do. I try to do it perfectly. In that time, I also saw discrimination. My father was from the east of the country, my mother was from the east of the country, my mother was from the northwest of the country. There are, how would I say, it's like if you live in Gaspegé,

you have a Gaspegian accent, and you live in Montreal, you have the accent of Montreal or the St. John accent, but when you leave, hey, the Gaspegian, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A young man, I didn't understand if that was my love or my language. So there I learned the Gaspegian accent or I learned the accent of Montreal. Je ne comprendais pas si là ça a devenu mon amour envers la langue. Donc là j'ai appris l'accent gaspésien ou j'ai appris l'accent montréalais pour ma survie. Donc c'est ça ce qui est arrivé depuis ce temps là.

Mais tu parles dans ton pays là, c'était des exemples. Tu as du rire, j'imagine mal que l'accent gaspésien en ce moment. De ton pays, tu parles, en fait tu as pris les accents de tous les coins. En te disant si je vais dans ce coin là, je vais prendre l'accent comme ça, je vais passer une aperçu. You've taken the accent of all the corners by saying, if I go in that corner, I'm going to take the accent, like that, I'm going to pass an oversight. That's it. So I can accept you in my environment, my environment. There's always the fruit, as we would say, the fruit,

which is the fish, it always attracted me enough. The fruit defended. The fruit is defended. The fruit is defended. I'm looking for the word. Thank you very much. It's always defended me. Why? I'm not sorry. The word is f*** the system. Oh, there's no... It doesn't matter if you're a little bit in touch with the word. F***, I told you, if you want, there's no stress here.

It's f*** the system. So I never accepted a f***ing system that tells me what to eat, what to do, what... It's a certain rebellion. We're not in the forest. It's sure, it's good sense. I studied a little bit of religion, but I came to the conclusion that there is no religion that will say go steal, go rape, go kill, go lie. That, yes. But apart from that, as they say, don't do what you don't want me to do. Just because I want to ask a question, because you're open, do you come from a rather religious family? Yes, there are like the majority of people,

the majority of people, whether they are Christians or not, they don't have a deep knowledge of religion. They say they are Muslim, or Christian, Christian, Jewish, or Buddhist. They just take it from you. That's it. It's more about customs. It's not more about religion. Because I started to make the difference when I started to study. But the normal world, the, how do I put it, normal people, there are a lot of people who say, I am a Catholic Christian. Well, you

can ask him the question, how many books are there in the Bible? What is the New Testament? What is the difference? Or you speak to a Muslim who does the Ramadan, but who does it because everyone does it, but he doesn't really know why he does it. No, he does the Ramadan, yes, because everyone does it, but at the same time he will say, well, look, we don't drink alcohol for 40 days because alcohol remains. There we start to negotiate with God. So that's either we don't eat pork, but he drinks alcohol.

So it's the same line, there's pork, there's alcohol and all that. But all that can come back to one thing. Life is as simple as that. The sun rises on the same side, it's been millennia on the same side. So we have the four seasons, spring, spring, and all that. It's as simple as that. The lawn is green, it's not red. This year, next year, it's yellow.

That's when the man touches. When I say man, I include the mother. Oh, we're talking about humanity. When it touches something, they tend to put you in a X model. You have to follow the X model. Whoever it is, does not fit into this model. There, the system starts to try to command it. Either you send it to a madhouse, or send it to a prison.

But that's the part that I've always rejected. I've always rejected. Who are you if God, my creator, gave me the free choice to impose myself? Muslims want to be more Muslim than the Prophet Muhammad and his father, the Christians want to be more Christian than Jesus, the Jews want to be more Jewish than Moses. And yet, when I read the books, it's simple. 80% is simple. But when you say, are you religious today? I can say that I'm a Muslim, but I can say that I'm Muslim. I love God, I believe in God,

I'm not 100% practical. No, but I was wondering, because you were telling me that you were a little bit against me saying, I have to do this, I have to do that, that the government and humanity and the rules, you don't like that. But religion is that too. I imagine that young people were less,

maybe less religious, even less practicing at the time. It's not a question of less religious. I've always believed in God. It's the interpretation of religion that I have difficulty with a lot of people. I can give you a lot of people. I can open a little parenthesis. When someone will say to someone, it will explode in the market. Okay. If someone asks me, I will ask the first question. Why do I have to do that? God will ensure you paradise, you will have 90 beers. That does not exist

in the coronavirus to be clear. My question for this person, why don't you do it yourself? You give me the model, I'll follow you later. But do it yourself. Why would I give power to anyone to tell me how I'm going to manage my fucking life? Because practicing religion is like making love in my bed, in my room with my wife. There's no one who's going to tell you that my wife is on me, or that I'm taking her from one side, from left to right. Well, if you're not paid, no. If you're paid, come and get it. That's it. Get the fuck out of my room. It's too personal. Get the fuck out from my fucking room. It's that simple.

That's what I've been doing. So the way you manage your religion, your life, you've always wanted to... Look, it's between me and him up there. And in your everyday life, it's between you and yourself. What you do is between you and yourself, not between you and the government. That's it. Live and let live. It's like where I was, there was a gay who told me, look, I'm not, I'm a woman, I said, look, it's your ass. You shit with it, you fuck with it, it's not my fucking problem.

I'm not one, I'm not gay, I'll never be gay, that's my choice. You're gay, you want to do what you want to do, that's your fucking choice. So yeah. I was just going to put a little click on the word choice. I was just going to... No, but look, we're doing a countdown, look, my dear. We're doing a countdown, I'm not making a joke, I'm just saying, you know, I'm in life. You suck what you suck, you suck what you suck, it's you who's watching. The only thing, it's just the fact that you say, it's your choice.

Don't you see that homosexuality is a choice? That's me, that's what... No, but... I just put... But I understand what you mean by it's your choice, you do what you want with your body, but I don't think that homosexuality is a choice. That's me. I understand what you mean, because it's your choice. You do what you want with your body. I don't think being homosexual is a choice, but it's our debate.

But that's what I believe, what I think. And it doesn't mean what I think, if that's the absolute truth. So I can be in the field. I say the same to my daughters. I tell you, there's something I say at the beginning of each podcast, I'm someone who's cut what you're saying. I'm just going to say, I... That's it. That's what I'm bringing. That's what I'm bringing my point to myself. I'm letting you say it. I'm going to say that this point, I don't agree with that.

That's your expression, your freedom of expression. I'm an Italian saying... I respect that. I listen to what you say, I agree with that, except for that point. That's it. It's like in this religious aspect, we... I'm not going to cut what you're saying. I'm just going to say, I... That's it. That's what I'm bringing my saying, I listen to what you say, I agree with that, except for that point.

It's like in this religious aspect, I was married to a Christian, so I didn't impose religion on my daughters. That's their choice to become who they want to be. But there are principles too, the principle of being at home. When I say I don't want to be an authoritarian or a dictator, there are things that can hurt me. So there are things that can... I think that's just respect. I'm so crazy.

I mean, I would never impose a religion on my daughters, except that there is an offer that going to impose on my daughters. If there's some outside work, you go home and wipe your sweat and take your clothes off. If we're talking about respect... Respect, in a different way. Exactly. Because I'm responsible if anything happens. So I take my responsibility seriously.

It's in that sense of responsibility, not imposing or be a dictator or give a slap in the face or to be treated with all the names. No, it's not... It's more like, if you don't eat bacon, I'd rather there was no bacon in my house, please, but if you go to AWV and take an extra bacon, you're the one who keeps it. No, that's it. That's how you just opened something,

to remind me of something, when I went to the beautiful mother, she cooked the bacon for her, for her. I eat chicken or fish, things like that. My beautiful sister smoked in the time, but when she came to my house, she said, look, I have 10 children, you want to smoke? You're going to smoke outside. If I smoke, I also smoke. If I smoke, I film outside. That's what I'm asking you. But when I'm at your place, you want to serve in the port,

you don't want me to, how would I say it, you want to take me to the port, I wouldn't come to your place. That's all. I understand, I respect that. I did it at the gare de Ré, because when my daughters were young, we were at the gare de Ré,

when the port arrived, I helped the director at the gare de Ré. I I respect that. I did it at the nursery, because since my daughters were young, they were at the nursery, when it didn't happen, I gave it to the nursery teacher. I'd rather have my daughters eat it. If I have to pay for that, then, look, I want to pay for it. I don't want to impose, in the time, there were reasonable orders and all that, but look, I don't want to impose my things. But on the other hand, for Christmas trees and all that, I'm a fucking Christmas tree.

I don't know why. I love your open mind. That's it. I want to have a fucking Christmas tree in my house, but it's not a ritual aspect. It's more of a custom. It's not a ritual aspect, it's more of a custom. It's not religious. I'm one of them, I'm not religious enough. For me, Christmas is not religious. People will go and look for the source.

Maybe in time, that was it. I confirm that in the Bible there is no such thing. Of course, they can say pagans, there are things like that. But in time, that was it. but now it's just a habit. And as we say, we get together, we celebrate, that's all. There's no one, oh, it's the god of Thor, or I don't know which one, the god of pagans, we'll see, we'll see. I'll bring you back to your youth, it's that you said you didn't like to follow the guideline, the fruit of the harvest would pull me. That's it. At the age of 17, I started selling cigarettes, contraband.

Were you here or were you in Marocco? No, in Marocco. I arrived here until I was 29 or 30. That's it. As they say in English, it's like that. It's just that. It's not my father because since at some point he says he doesn't have money for school, I have to be a soldier. Fuck that. I don't want to be a fucking soldier. There's no question that I'm going to start with the others. I see the good example for my father. Look, I didn't want to be a military man.

At some point, I thought I would do it to feel like you're watching a horror movie. You want to be like a big console. But look, you see the TV, you feel like... Wouldn't it have bothered you to be a military man if you didn't want to do it? Because we're asking you. That's the difference that happened. But it wasn no question. It was a bit of a thing.

I know my father was over the top because at times, it's not a certain time. It's all the time. I appreciate what he did for us. Mom didn't work. She was at home all the time. It's with six children. Look, it's a lot of work.

It's a lot of things. That's why. A lot of expenses, a lot of things. That's why I love my father. I talk to him like my best friend now. When I talk to my father, I take advice when I get there. I tell myself, I have two daughters. I say, Chris, I just have two daughters. I have misery sometimes, but imagine three times three. Six children.

So there's no... How would I say it? The family allocations that are important and all that. It's not the same as that. six children. So there's no, like I said, family connections that are important and all that. It's not the same thing. So learning yourself takes... You get used to it. You get used to it. My mother was the best expert in the kitchen, in the finances of the interior, in the management. It was her who had the power, because sometimes they say

Arab women, Muslims, don't have power. Look, she used a magical word. Look, you did that, when your father came, he told her, this was the end of the world. My mother made us do everything she wanted. She understood. She understood the power. And when he told her, he did that, he doesn't question his thing.

You go to the cash. So in reality, who had the most power? lui il a fait ça, lui il ne questionne pas sa chose là. Tu passes au cash là. Donc là c'était, dans la réalité, qui qui avait le plus de pouvoir là? En fait c'est elle là, c'est une dictateur là. Fais ça sinon il arrive ça, tu le fait. Lui, hey, y'a ça pis il part oui chef, j'obéis pis pa pouf! C'est ça que tu voulais faire. Non c'est ça là. Mais c'était ça dans le temps. C'était ça. Il n'y avait pas juste le côté négatif quand même. Il y avait quand même d'en vivre dans une famille, on jouait ensemble. That's what it was like in the past. There wasn't just the negative side. There was living in a family, playing together. There was no cell phone in the past. There was nothing.

Things like going out. There's a lot of good memories. My life is not criticized just for the bad side. That forced my character. It makes you the who I am today. That's it. It's thanks to that that I... There are gestures that I say, never doubt what I've received.

That's why we talked about abuse and all that. It gives two types of person. A person who has been abused and he says, never will anyone feel, because he felt, he says, never will anyone feel, because he felt it, he lived it, he never wants anyone to suffer that.

What I lived, I didn't let my children live. No, there are others who repeat the circle. Unfortunately. There are survivors and there are eternal victims. So these are two types of personalities. I'm a fucking survivor, so it's not very... Look, it happens. I was 11 when I said, I'm going to survivor. So it's not... Look, it happens. I was 11 when I said I was going to Canada.

I'm going to marry a Canadian. OK. I was 11. Did you have problems with the law in Morocco? No. No? I was never caught... On the little things you do, the little things you do.

I was never caught. It's like a game. At some point you do, the little tricks. I never got caught. It was like an in-game. At some point you become an expert in that. And you know what to do and what not to do. So with my dad, when you get caught, you go to jail. So there, with time, you've developed a certain personality. I'm better off not getting caught. I haven't done any serious crimes, as they say. No, it was just little smugglers, as they say.

Little smugglers, they sell this, buy this. Cigarettes, it didn't end well because there was like a territory, there was someone who wanted to take my territory. He almost hit me with a knife, so I went to buy something. Then my dad took this and he gave me, you're waiting for me. He said, look, you do that, you don't come to my house anymore. So it was clear. You cut that, but in that moment, I was scared.

Because as I told you, there is no support from the government. There is no social good. It means you go out, you have to take care of yourself. How do you say in Quebec, you're scared of your troubles? With your troubles, and you take care of yourself. As they say in Quebec, you have to deal with your troubles. With your troubles, and you take care of your troubles, it's certain that it will be trouble. There are serious consequences if you have a place or something. Because if you're not there, you're always welcome at home,

so you always have a roof and a jacket waiting for you at home. That's it. Despite everything, you have to have a minimum of minimums. But if you're by yourself, it's very difficult. There is no minimum. There is no minimum, you have to be sure of that. But this kind of dedication, you didn't have to negotiate. Especially my father, when he says the elephant is flying, the elephant is flying. That's where it went up.

It gave him a character because I have the character of my mother, I have a character of my father. And sometimes people tell me, you're making threats. I always tell them, I don't make threats, I make promises. It's not a threat that I make here. I tell you, I'm going to do this. I give you the chance now to, but it's a promise. It's not a friend. We'll come back to that later, about your incarceration, because you were in prison in the United States. Yes. Would the Maroc prison have scared you?

Do you have a little bit of a prison system? No, it's difficult. First, if you go to the Maroc prison, because the first thing to do to get a job is to go to a judicial office. As soon as you go to a judicial office, there's no second chance. I don't know the time now, because since 2002 I left Morocco,

but in my time, when you have a judicial case, you are done for. So that means you're going to do some job. Which is not easy even in Quebec, in Canada, if you're a lawyer. But you know, there are organizations here. For my case, my judicial it was in the United States. In the United States. Not in Canada. We'll talk about that again.

There are things too that... I talked to several people that I received and from your experience, and there are people who didn't understand how he could do that if he was a judge. I don't know, but he went to prison in the United States. There is no prison, there is no case in Canada. But we'll be back. So until... In 2009, you said you quit.

In 2009, yes. When your father put you in that kind of ultimatum, how old were you? Around that age, I was 17 or 18. But then I became like a hundred, a hundred-year-old. When I said a hundred, I started to become like that. So I learned to be a black man because I almost lost a saint. When I said a saint, I started to become one. I learned to be a saint because I almost lost my life. I almost killed someone the first time because I was the one who hit him first.

He lost his knowledge. I thought I had killed him. He ran away from it, but after that he came with a knife and wanted to stab me. Things went really too far. But that made me feel like I was waking up. Chris, sometimes it's... Is it worth it? That's it.

It's worth going as far as you can, to get your future, to be taken. All that. I went back to living the normal life, school and all that. I have my economic bachelor's degree in Morocco. I went back to living a normal life, going to school and all that. I had my bachelor's degree in economics in Morocco. My bachelor's degree was in Cégep, here, and all that. And then I had a degree in accounting. Accounting degree, so...

You're talking about someone who doubled his first three times. That's right. And since then, when I doubled again, I was the first, the second in the class. I did all my classes, I never rewound. When you finish, you go back to them by choice. It's the same thing. Several people did therapy, and they did two, it didn't work, and the last one who did it,

and it worked, they did it for the others. It's a bit like that. When you're young, you go to school obligated. When you decide to go, it's more motivating. And I always wanted to have my father's attention. It's like the father is the most important person in our lives. It's the symbol of man. It's certain that when you hear that,

Chris, it makes you feel like, yes, I have a character. Yes, I said to myself in my head, you're not going to break me. But at the same time, there's always this thirst to have the attention. The table in your back. The table in your back. I love you. I my head, you're not going to break me. But at the same time, there's always this thirst for the table in the back. I love you, I'm proud of you, and all that. It's certain that you've grown with that. It's a motivation for you. It was a big motivation.

It was like going into the other side, a self-sabotaging spirit in my head with my actions. It always has this beast, as we were talking about earlier with my friend. We have two lures within ourselves. There is a good lure, there is a bad lure. I heard you say that this morning. You sent me a video this morning, and I heard you say that this morning in the video you sent me. Yes, the strongest is that we feed. And how do we feed them? We feed them with our actions. So you do good actions, you're going to feed the good one. You do bad actions, you predator is a beast. Sometimes you make decisions, you feel comfortable,

you become an expert, you become a god in your luck. You want to decide everything, you think you control everything. But there can be a little distraction, a second, and you think you control everything. But he can have just a little distraction of a second, and you'll lose everything. So that's what... I think that's a nice metaphor. So in about 17 to 29 years that you left Morocco, it's going well, you have a normal life. Yes, I had a job. I had a job. I had a job as an accountant in a company that had 13 agencies in the territory of Morocco.

I had a good job. I even had the 13th month. At the end of the year, it will give you two months. As a bonus, I had insurance that covered my business and all that. I have always taken care of my family. I lived with my family. I'm like a father. So I helped in... Like a caretaker for the rest of the family? For the rest of the family.

I never turned my back on my family. I'll never turn my back on my family. But I mean, at that time, you also had to meet women? No, my goal was to go to Canada, to find a Canadian. So there's no woman, no distraction. I've never opened my heart to a woman with all my respect for women, even if I like women.

I like all women, but not a particular man. Okay. So it was healthy. I was also afraid of hurting myself. Okay. So I made a wall to protect my heart. It became a contractual relationship. So at 29?

At 29, in 2000, I was 28, I met Magas Pizien on an internet site. So in January we met in March. I asked her in March. Where did you meet? On the internet, on a website. No, but when you met, the first time you saw each other... Seen, it's... In Quebec or Morocco?

No, it's in Morocco. She came. She came. So, in January, we met on a website called, at the time, Caramay. Caramay, I hear that a lot. You can chat with someone. I walked, I sat down, we played, we were married. So that happened quickly. So in life, I'm a businessman.

So there's no need for me to talk to you, I want you, I talk to you, I don't want you, I don't waste your time, I don't waste my time. I'm not sure if it was a conversation you had to had with her or maybe you were family at the time, but she had to say, don't do that, it's just someone who wants to get your papers, you're going to come back with a veil. It was the film Jamaisontmafille. Jamaisontmafille, if you've never seen that film, Jean Massam, my daughter, it's not easy to watch, but everyone had that image in their heads, that's for sure, at that time. That's for sure. I paid for it.

I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it.

I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. I paid for it. My family was not surprised that I married a Canadian, so it was like, look, he said he did it. It took a lot of time, yes, but look, that was it.

It was your plan. It was my plan. You had an idea, you didn't have it in mind. That's it. Sometimes it can take time, but look, I know where I'm going. So I arrived in Quebec on January 5, so it was a lot of firsts. The first time I took the plane, the first time I saw the snow, the first time I left my mom. I left my mom, it was a lot of firsts. Imagine, in January, look, it's cold, it's snow. The first time you're in love with someone else, it's also a lot of firsts.

That's it, but love, it's your mother too. That's it. But love was different. Oh, yeah, no, but... That's what it was. Sometimes, at the beginning, I compared the cuisine in my... She became my next-in-law. Okay. I compared her food with my mother's food.

After that, I thought, you married your mother, not your mother. You married someone else. So that's when I started making the difference. And the women love that so much. tu maries pas avec ta mère, tu maries avec quelqu'un de d'autre. Donc c'est là que j'ai commencé à faire la différence. Ah, pis les femmes, ils aiment tellement ça, super. T'as sa sauce à spaghetti bonne, mais pas aussi bonne que celle de ma mère. Ça c'est une histoire de soit ça. Si tu veux garder un couple heureux, on va jamais comparer la bouffe de ta blonde avec la bouffe de ta mère.

Regarde, la pire, tu viens de me rappeler quelque chose pour la sauce à spaghetti une fois, elle a fait une sauce à spaghetti, mais c'était pas bonne. Mais moi, je l'ai goûté, j'ai fait un sauce, but it was not good. But I tasted it, I said, I made a cream, I said, cream, what is that? Well, I said, ah, I'm not hungry. She said to me, listen, don't you like my sauce? I said, no, no, no, it's just, I'm not hungry, I ate outside, I went up there. She asked me the question three times, three times, she put me in the corner, I said, your spaghetti sauce good. It's shit. Dear God, that was the worst thing I said.

It reminded me of my 22 years of marriage. Every time you remember the time... I was doing voluntary Alzheimer's, but it didn't work. I said... I said, I don't remember that. How? I did that! I did it in my head. Chris, you see, you pay because remember that. How was I? I did it in my head. Chris, you see, you're paying because of that.

It was... You know, it's an easy adaptation in Quebec. Yes and no. Oh God, it's my survey time, as I told you. You say 2002, you arrived. We'll just say... It wasn't a better year to be... In St. César.

We'll just say, to be... In St. Caesar's. No, but just, we'll say, to be Arab, somewhere else in a country, Arab, in America, in 2002. 2001, the 90s. No, but that was it. First, to leave Morocco, they made a special airport for people who don't go to Canada or the United States.

For us, there are dogs, with security systems, it's not a joke. So you arrive, the United States for our sake, with dogs, with security systems. There's no way around it. So you arrive, I climbed the stairs in New York, it wasn't a... There it was worse too, you had to check everything. So the world saw the terrorist, so it's clear. You see it in the eyes, they're not wrong, but look, on one side, but look, you can't... It's understandable, it's not excused. It's not excused, but when you have 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth,

tell me, 1.6 billion are all terrorists. If they were all terrorists, there would be no more people, that would be certain. So that's clear and clear, it's not... Well, I think that today people have understood that. There is an education, especially with the internet, it's developed with TikTok too, with things like that. The world sees differently the world than before.

But I mean, right now people are afraid of the United States, we've never been afraid of the United States. I mean, before that, we weren't afraid of Muslims and Arabs either before 2001. There are events that happened that people were afraid, they panicked but they don't apologize for any of the behaviors they've had. But that's what the world needs to understand, with my view that in the United States, the American people are different. It's the good man up there who's a little crazy. That's what I'm saying to the pharmacist. I'm saying, Chris, it's a day, but the nuclear case,

it's going to be a fucking mess, we're not there anymore. That's why the world needs to learn how to control their fear. The American people, when we see the national line of the United States, we hear the world there. There you are creating enemies. They are 350 million.

I'm not saying that we are 35 or 40 million. Don't create enemies. Don't create enemies. Don't create enemies. If a fake speaks, he is at the White House, let's not forget that 50% did not vote for him. The popular vote, I know that because I lived there. I went to count, I asked everyone alone. So it's not all Americans are pro-Trump.

No, no. I love him. I'm going to say, it's going to be a crisis. You're crazy. Why do I love him? He says what he thinks, he has no filter, so I know it's the same by the face. Well, you see, I don't want to take it because I really want to talk about you, but you know, there's one thing that I agree with what you say, is that I'm someone who takes the freedom of expression. If there is someone who uses freedom of expression, then he has the right to say what he wants.

I'm not allowed to agree. As long as he has the right to disagree. I always put freedom of expression in saying, you know, someone who has a hyper racist discourse, well, let him say it. Why? I prefer to know that he's racist, so I won't go too from this, you know?

I like that. A man from the United States, during the COVID period, told people to see L'Ode Javel. It can help them. And there were people who drank L'Ode Javel in his case. When you believe, it's like the jesu we're waiting for. That's it, with the evangelist. So that's what they believe. It's in their belief. I'm not saying not to negotiate with or things like that,

but don't go into their negotiations. It's like soccer. They have rules. We play with our feet, we don't play with our hands. Don't try to change the rule because it's soccer, it's the foot, it's not the hands. It's with our hands. We don't try to change the rules, because it's the circle, it's the foot, it's not the hands. It's the wrong hands. You're not going to go into the field

with the rules of your opponent. We're not going to say enemies because they're not our enemies. They're our adversaries. I don't know what reason, maybe a personal reason, or I don't know, you have to start all alone, but look, maybe a revenge because they put it at the door, personnel bien je ne sais pas doit à starter tout seul mais regardez peut-être une vengeance parce que l'on foutu à la porte mais là il revient de se venger d'abord des américains. Vous me faites chier avec l'ombre vous voulez m'envoyer

m'enlever autant que président quand j'étais dehors vous m'avez fait dans la cour vous m'avez humilié là c'est le temps de la vengeance là le monde ne comprenne pas ça peut être contre le peuple américain plus que le contre... Écoute je pense qu'on pourrait débattre, c'est une conversation, c'est une discussion super intéressante. Je veux juste qu'on s'en sortes. Si on passe on tremble les états, on arrêtera pas, on va être ici tu fais 8h à 3. Mais je veux juste... Fait que t'es in Canada, you arrive, you find a job. At first I found myself as a volunteer in a volunteer action center in Saint-Césaire.

So from January until April. In April they offered me a job as an accountant, a secretary of accounting and all that. I did my way there too, until we asked for a subsidy, we had another organization, all that for the recovery of used clothes and all that. So I went to the shops. So I went from $9 an hour to $20 an hour, in a very short delay on that. It allowed me to buy a house in L'Ange-Gardien, too. So I could have a house there.

I won my elections in L'Ange-Gardien. I was municipal advisor for four years. So it was debates and all that for four years. Did you like doing that? I liked it, but I was a good negotiator because there were three advisors, three advisors from the opposition. I was a good negotiator because there were three councilors, three councilors of the opposition. I was in the middle.

It allowed me to negotiate to have a caduceus in my sector, in my sector where I was municipal councilor. They had a portable caduceus. So I negotiated. You want me to vote for you, but look, you're going to vote for me. They can check in on things there. They will see that everyone has voted to have a caducum in my sector. I was also president of three community organizations.

I had this thirst for social justice through my education. So people who don't have the means. I was an organization for the integration of immigrants. There was another organization that was for, how should I say, for employment seekers 40 years and more in Marieville. There is another organization for young people to have employment platforms. So you were someone who was well-involved in your society.

That's right. I can't find the term, but you were a part of your community. That's where I learned the Quebec customs, because you can't be there and have a little job in after that. You don't know the system, how it works. And look, sometimes you have to blame yourself. It's a new, how would I say it, as an immigrant, new... I don't like the word immigrant, I can say the new arrivals.

The new arrivals, it's a new to prove. They will say, but why did the others, they were immigrants? Okay, since the 15th century, the 18 century, it's been a fucking long time. Tell me Paul, we can go into this debate. We rest there. No, we won't go. It's not another, don't forget one thing. We are not racist, we become racist.

100%. So when we see in a nursery, we see white, black, girls, boys, people with the ability to weaken or things like that, to limit all that. Everyone plays together, it's spontaneous. That's the grains that start to enter the shit in the head of the world. There you have a Muslim who doesn't play with Jews, or doesn't play with Christians,

or you have a Christian who doesn't play with his mother, his father. We still know the style of the father or mother, the choices of the father or mother. That's the child. The children who have fun. Yes, the children who have fun in the city. It's spontaneous. My daughters, it's quite multiethnic here at home when there is a party of children.

My children, they don't see that. They don't see their name, they don't see their color, they don't see their religion. No, it's the person. As I always say, assholes are assholes, assholes everywhere. When does it get bad? When does it get shit? When does it get bad? When it gets bad, I got into a business, a clothing business. I had an anthropologist of 22000 piquets per gram. I started my business with $1,400, $1,500.

I had a $10,000 advance for used clothes for the outside sales. So that's where it started. The first time it started was with my owner, who was my owner and he started in the same business. He took one of my clients and then he started doing competition and he took my supplier. I don't know if that's legal or not, so look, I leave it where I tried, I call this place, I go to another another place, I wanted to do my business. There I did my business. Then I didn't have a structure or financial aid, or I didn't have the right to finance and all that.

So I tried, I tried very hard, a very strong character and all that. I had a friend from Burkina Faso, so he offered me to open a factory in Burkina Faso. There I put all my, how all my stuff, I sent the merchandise, it all went to Burkina Faso. But Logan never paid me. The little fireball, the little snowball, started. The little snowball of snow started. I tried, I tried, I tried.

Because there were employees, I had the responsibility to hire my employees. Because I had quit my job at 5 or 6 o'clock, so I jumped in front of my desk and I said to myself, well, look, why make money for someone else when I'm able to do it myself? So that's when the little thing started, like the snowball, there, things. The more I make decisions, like the feeling of moving, plus que je bouche, plus que je coule. Fait que de là revient un peu l'appel du fruit défendu que tu avais dans ta jeunesse. C'est ça, là. C'est, regarde, j'ai perdu l'affaire, j'ai perdu l'affaire, mon nom est devenu, ça va même pas être simple. Avant, je prenais le téléphone, j'ai besoin de surplus de vêtements usagés, My name has become... it's not even innocent. Before, I would take the phone, I needed extra clothes,

I could call anyone, I just had my word. And with that, all that decision, it was a bad decision. I'm not blaming the guy. It was my decision. But I... You made bad business decisions. Bad business decisions because they say in Arabic, as they say, who kills someone far away, someone from Greedy,

someone from Avar. Avar. Avar. The one who kills Avar is the liar. OK. So it shows you that it's going to be this, it's going to be that, it's going to be this, you're going to get this, you're going to get that. It's going to go with your capital. That's 100% what happened to me there.

So I'm picking myself up. I trusted my machinery because the owner wanted to seize my machinery. I gave it to another friend. The other friend took care of my machines. He just took them. There was no paper, there was nothing. Because the structure of this type of business is like hand in hand. I had my machines. And he just took them. There was no paper, there was nothing. Because the structure of this type of business,

it's like hand in hand. There's no counter-structuring, all that. Because anyway, the clothes, I have misery to understand. It's garbage. I pick up used clothes that will go to the garbage. I sell them, I have to pay the tax, I have to do that. I have a little misery with that.

It's like that. So you go back a little, it's a bit like hustling. That's it. I don't give people any subsidies, I pay for my garbage, I pay employees, I rent the rock. Sometimes my employees have more money for me because I told myself, look, I'm building the future of my daughters and I gave both names in the future of my daughters. And I gave both names in the name of my daughters.

It was very personal. I was 100% involved. Emotionally and monetarily. That's it. But things were going well. I lost that. I lost my house. I lost the elections too. Did you the same time you lost your wife? No, it wasn't that. My wife is coming anyway. So all that. But there are people, we're talking about privateers. They don't see it. You have an opportunity, do this, do that, we can do this, we can do that.

I started working first. I started working in a company in Bromau. I have a salary. But look, you put me in a company and all that, in a salary and all that. I was a businessman. I decided on my business and all that. It's like you're going to put a lion in a cage. It's a cage in the North. Chris, it's a fucking cage.

It's a fucking cage in the North, not in the North. It's a fucking... I'm a guy like that. I like that. You manage your businesses with your own boss. That's it. When I do good things, when I create wealth, it's like, I'm sorry for the word, I fell in love with the best girl in town.

But you've become a father of a family at the age of 4. It's normal that you're used to making decisions. That's it. That was the goal. But at the same time, when I lost with Loga, it wasn't the money that was on my side. Money, I see money as a prostitute. Today, she's with you, tomorrow she's leaving.

When she's with you, you need to have some fun. So, enjoy, but don't think she's going to stay with you. That's how I see my relationship with her. I like that analogy. That's it. I'm not crazy either. I tell myself I want to create things and all that, but in the end, I have to be friends or something like that. It didn't work like that.

I felt like she was raping me. She was a friend. A friend for me, she's a friend that I keep safe with my friends. And then I did that, I did it like a depression. There I started to have psychologists and all that, drugs and all that. I became like a suicidal spirit. I wanted to tear my life apart and all that. That's the humiliation. Municipal Council, having organizations. I wanted to tear my life apart. It's humiliating. The municipal council, having three organizations...

I was the president of three organizations... You lost your money. I lost everything. And the most important thing is to ask when you lose credibility. That's the worst thing I would not want to happen to anyone. Money can replace it. But when you lose your creativity, especially as an immigrant, it means they see you as if you have to be perfect.

And yet they don't forget, they forget one thing. Before being Moroccan, Muslim, Arab, African, I didn't choose to be there, I was a human being first. That's the forgotten world. We're all human beings. We have good sides, bad sides and all that, but it's there. So now I'm becoming suicidal. Now the old larvae, the bad water, has started to be very strong. Because you were feeding without the will. Without the will, but because I fell into a vicious circle of thoughts.

And I didn't have anyone. So when I took my shot, compared to a very close friend, I closed myself off to all the other friends. Despite their good intentions to want, my cell phone kept contacting me for orders, for things like that. After that, it was the people from Recovera who contacted me. People came to seize my house and all that. I can't even remember the fucking house that it was.

There, I lose the house, I come to a rent. I felt like I was the good son, I was the good husband, I was the good father, the good brother. Je suis le bon fils, je suis le bon mari, est-ce que je suis le bon père, le bon frère, là. Comme homme, c'est mes questions. Surtout quand je vois mon parcours, comme ça a été comme toujours, j'ai ce que je voulais, là. Ça allait de mieux, hein. À chaque fois que tu avais un but, tu l'atteignais. Et ça, j'ai oublié de dire, j', I made my parents come twice, three months, three months, to just show my father, look, you were late when you told me that, look, I'm here.

The humiliation has started to grow, that's the reason. For the first time, I was telling myself, the growth is not right. That's when it's, listen, listen, we had to find a solution. There were contacts. In that field, you want anything. I'm that kind of guy. You want anything. I would find the door, arrange for me to have something like that.

It wasn't intentional to hurt or do anything. If I have to survive, I have to give food to my parents, to my family, because I take care of my family in Morocco at the same time, they filmed me here, so I want to take my life again, to have a home, to have respect in the eyes of my entourage that I lost. You want to regain your credibility. That's it. Any means. Any means. The drug business is something that was easier. I went to Mexico. I met people there.

I mean, bad people there. Yeah, we can imagine that. I went to meet them there and all that. But, oh God. You're going to do... I want to look, you're going to do it. I want to be like my emulated director. But in my head, it wasn't cocaine. I'm not banalizing, but in time, the bridge is that a lot of people take it and all that. Look, it's something easier.

It's not for me to bring it to someone else. You have to be well paid to do it. Someone will do it anyway. That's it. I have my own view of drugs. Drug is not the problem. It's addiction that's the problem. Look, I'm diabetic.

I take sugar. It kills me. No, but if you take... Diabetes kills more people than the world around us. I can check my numbers. I don't want to... Yeah, you're not... It's not... It's not...

It's nothing. We're going to stay focused on your story. So you're going to meet people in Mexico. That's right. I'm going to meet them... In order to bring them to Canada? Yes, it became Canada, but it's not by the United States and all that. But look... It's hard enough to think of Mexico in Canada

without thinking of the United States. It's not the idea of the world, it's such and such a person, it's always the same story, but the actors are different. So when we talk about cartels, cartels, the world, if the world knows it or doesn't know it, in films and all that, it's films. Cartels are more, they're different families, different, I think it's not just... There are different cartels, there are different cartels.

Because people will think of you, you'll say, you know, Mexican cartel, the people are El Chapo. No, that's in the movies. There are a lot of different cartels in Mexico. No, it's different. And their type of business, because if we talk about the strong cartel, well, yes, it's the Americans who give them years to be strong. So if we talk about responsibilities,

it's another topic. Because as I said from the beginning, we treat the symptom, we don't treat the source of the problem. So it's always the same thing. It's easy to say it's the fault and all that, but... Did you have the opportunity to do several? Look, you're going to laugh at me, I'm going to go back to my religion. The evil side, it's evil. I've never been an expert in the evil side. It's always like a force that stops me and it aborts. I'm not made for that.

Yes, I have thoughts. Yes, when I do things, I do it as I need it. And I arrange myself as we do it. In that time, it's the psychological side, so I didn't have my head all the time. I don't put myself on my disease. Look, that's not it. I'm a man, I'm capable. I played the Guilty in the United States. So it's not someone, oh, because I had a psychologist, because it's my father who beat me up. As I often say, it doesn't excuse you. It explains why you did that, but it doesn't excuse you.

You assume what you did. No, it's a bad choice. It wasn't a mistake. Because when someone tells me I made a mistake, I say, no, you can't take your responsibility crisis. It was a bad choice. A mistake. The mistake you made is to get caught.

That's it. Even that, when I saw the newspaper in Montreal, the way they made my story, it really made me laugh. An elected one. No, look, what the fuck is an elected one to have in it? I was sleeping. No, I wasn't sleeping. It's a fucking Ohio. I'm sure I know. I to the world, avoid fucking Ohio. But before, wait, you're going a little fast, we're going... So, Mexico, all this, in order to import Canada,

can you do it? No, I didn't manage to do it, but on the other hand, it opened the opportunity for other worlds that approached me. Perfect. As we would say, to cross, Los Angeles, traverser toutes les États-Unis en char. Jusqu'ici. Jusqu'ici. C'est pas jusqu'ici, jusqu'à New York.

De New York, ils vont s'arranger là-dessus là, c'est... Donc c'était du transport interaméric. Interamérique, mais il faut que tu traverses parce que moi dans le temps, je parlais pas anglais d'abord. Deuxièmement, je connaissais pas très bien les chemins et tout ça. Because I didn't speak English at first. Secondly, I didn't know the roads very well. I didn't have the expertise I acquired over time. Did you do it several times? No, it was the first time I went to this size. I went like this.

But you had already done it. Not in the United States. It's not even... I'm not going to put you on the spot. I'm just trying to understand. If you don't want to go, you can tell me. No, no, I know. I'm not going to put you on the spot or put you on things you shouldn't have stopped for either. No, that's not it.

The intention is there. The attention for reasons is to give a short story. The intention is there. The attention is there. Knowing things is there. So... Because why I asked you that question is because I know you were arrested with a good amount. So, we don't give you that amount for the first time if you don't know it. No, it was the first time because they knew what kind of personality it was.

Okay, perfect. Because I was... You had references. No, they know that what I say he was. Okay, perfect. Because I was a... You had references. No, references. They know that what I say, I do. Perfect. I'm not here to waste my time, and I'm not here to waste my time.

So he's a businessman. I didn't touch anything. In any case, I didn't touch anything. All I had, I knew, was to drive this fucking car, go through all of that, until the starting line. When I was going to get the thing, the people I was driving were in an empty corner.

I said, man, they're going to shoot me there. So, it's on some people who stay in that. It was like, easy enough. Everything was easy enough. I said, Chris, there's nothing easy with this. In fact, you're more likely to get passed to the arrival than to the departure, but... No, but that's it. It's like conjoining the Americans, Blam, the Canadians. No, the fucking flow is more from the United States.

There's a lot more things from the United States that go to Canada than we talk about. That's clear and clear. So stop nagging me. We've been through Canada-US relations for a long time. But that's not Canada. But the rest... It comes from the source, from Mexico, it crosses the southern borders. Even that, it has changed. Now it's fentanyl. Fentanyl can be made in any kitchen.

Fentanyl, you said, excuse me. Fentanyl, it's fete n'all. Fete n'all, they can do it in any kitchen. Oh, look! Fentanyl, you said, what do you see? Fentanyl, Fentanyl. Oh yes, no, no, no, what do you see? That's easier. And excuse me for making me laugh. In the prison I was in, there were all kinds of drugs. Imagine, there are guards, there are things, there are cameras, everything. And he comes in to put drugs in there.

Exactly. So you go to Los Angeles, you're going in New York, and you're talking about Ohio. Ohio. Ohio, the problem with Ohio. There are hotspots. I didn't know there were hotspots. Especially the hotspots, they stopped me. The char I had was a char that said California. That's a mistake. It's a mistake I made, even though the people who hired me did it. Because you don't go with a fucking char from California. When you arrive in the country, until you do something,

that's when the red flag happens. So it's not the fact that I was sleeping. I felt it. As soon as I got back in Fakino, Ohio, trooper, trooper, trooper on the highway, I was sure it was going to be my last destination. With the way and all that. There were states where I crossed,

but there wasn't even a policeman. Ohio, it wasn't the case. So it's vraiment, vraiment... Au spot qu'ils m'ont poigné, regarde. Mais qu'est-ce qui t'arrives... Vas-y, on parle. Parce que t'arrives pas de dire... C'est pas parce que je dormais, je dormais, fait que... Qu'est-ce qui se passe?

Qu'est-ce qui se passe, regarde, c'est tout c'est simple. Je traverse, puis il entrepôte derrière moi. Il me disait... Un trooper, tu parles. Un trooper, ouais, ça. C'est comme la SQ. Non, non, it's just that sometimes with the accent, an English word, it's like a true-per.

A true-per, a state trooper. It's like a police officer. The SQ, here, behind me. He said to me, look, you didn't have the right to be on the second line for more than five minutes. That was his excuse for... Your way of spending. That was his excuse for...

Your crossing, let's say. That's it. Not more than five minutes. There's no one who's going to make me swallow that. That was his excuse. And the proof, when I took the exit with him, there was like a movie. There was the sheriff, police, another police trooper.

Everyone was waiting for you. It happened everywhere. It happened all by itself. I got there and they were going... Yeah, the bag was just in the trunk. There was maybe a dealer who was also in there saying, there's a car of this color, this brand, with this plate that's going to go through it. Look, it was five minutes, it was everywhere,

the agencies that came there. I arrived at the place for my interview, the federal agencies that arrived, ten minutes, a woman who translates in French and English, in the 15 minutes, everything was set up. There wasn't a big delay or anything. Everything was...

You said the bag was in the suitcase. Yes. What was in that bag? The bag was the 75 kilos of cocaine. 75 kilos of cocaine. It wasn't hidden. It wasn't... The bag, God forbid, I never touched it. There was no I was lucky enough to be a part of that.

And since I'm Muslim and Arab, it opened up other agencies for terrorism. So my case was... Financing terrorism. So it opened the door to Guantanamo. It really opened the door. At the beginning, I didn't have a lawyer. There was a public lawyer for the founders.

I was in prison for 24 years. But he told me, you can go up to 56 years. So they're going to test me there. But it's because 75 kilos, that's a lot. It's really a lot. It's millions of dollars. Yes, it's 5.5 million. It can go up to 15 million dollars

because the drug was pure at 86%. So look, it's not something... I'm not saying to be... I'm proud of myself. I'm not proud of myself. It's not that I regret what I did. In time, it was the best decision for... I was right. Oh yes, of course. dans moi avec... C'est pas que je regrette ce que j'ai fait dans le temps. C'était la meilleure décision pour... J'avais mes raisons. J'avais mes raisons, puis je suis pas en train de défendre

mes actions dans le passé. C'est pour ça on a le passé, le présent, le futur. Mais tu nous l'as compté de façon... Il y a des choses qui t'ont poussé à faire ça. Il y avait d'autres choses à faire, mais c'est ce que t'as décidé de faire. Mais j'ai décidé de faire dans le temps avec ma tête. There were other things to do, but that's what you decided to do. I decided to do it in time with my head. That was the good thing. It took something fast-food. It took something really, it had to be. Then it takes a fucking decision right away. So at the beginning, he accuses you, I imagine, of traffic, whatever. I had a traffic obsession. 11 years plus my cell phone to use for the criminal side. I was lucky in a side.

They didn't find a gun with me. They didn't find money with me. Because they didn't find drugs. Because if they had found just one gram of heroin or pills, that would certainly be... We're not talking about the art we're talking about. It was cocaine, it was cocaine. It wasn't any other drugs, it wasn't money.

And it wasn't like, gangsterism. And no fingerprints on the bag? It's a lot of things, but I'm not telling you that I thought about it. No, not at all. It turned out that... You're lucky in all of this. In all of this. And I didn't know too much, even if he comes in with photos or things like that. But there's no... I'm a guy in life, I don't ask questions about two things that don't concern me. Me, everything I know, I take the cart there, I don't ask questions about two things that don't concern me. Everything I know, I take the chart and I bring it there.

Yes, there are contacts and all that, but as I said, it's not the cases. You can see it's the contacts and all that, but it's the story in general. It's the same story. Look, it's gone. We can see a little bit. No, no, no. And basically, you had another lawyer. Because at the beginning you had legal age, so after that you had another lawyer? Another lawyer who was paid by the world who hired me.

Okay. Look, he paid someone, that means, shut the fuck up. Then they called me over there because I had not, I was called by someone in Montreal, he said he was a lawyer, and he told me, look, you shut look, you shut your mouth, we're going to take care of your family, don't worry. But we're going to take care of your family. It's going to be double-edged sword. It means two things. You shut your fucking mouth. And shut your mouth, do your math, we're going to take care of your family.

Open your mouth, open your mouth, we're going to take care of your family. Open your mouth, take care of your cat, and we're going to take care of your family. And that's it. When the agents over there asked me the question, we're going to protect you, I started laughing. I said, don't worry, if they give you a fucking million dollars, you'll be the first to poison me, then shoot me, or put me in a corner. I'm not crazy either in life. I don't know if I'm going to say hide or not hide. Look, I'm a businessman and the city. I'm not here to hide.

I'm a businessman and I respect my commitments. Yes, I put my life on the table and I respect my commitments. I'm not here to... Look, they have more resources in the United States than Canada. So when they found cocaine in the United States more than Canada. So, when they found, certainly they found cocaine in the White House. Oh God, fuck, it's not me who brought fucking cocaine to the safest place in the world. So don't tell me you don't know who does what and all that.

So, oh God, you're insulting my intelligence. So it's... The sentence you receive? The sentence I receive... The sentence that I receive... Because you plead guilty, so no trial? No trial. And then my lawyer comes in and says, Look, they're going to take away the trafficking. They're going to take away our possession, they're going to let you go.

You can have six years in prison. You have 15 minutes to sign. In my head, I was preparing myself for 10 years because I didn't know that things were going to go. I said it's not my drug, it's not me who bought it, it's not me who's going to sell it, it's not me. I'm just a fucking taxi driver. Yeah, yeah. But it's still you who has it in your possession. No, but I know, but in time, with my mind, I didn't know that there were fucking consequences as heavy as that. And it's not my fucking business. It's not. It's looking for the real culprit. It's not me. But Chris Colmont started to approach me and explain the fuck thing to me.

When you start to get from 24 and 56, you're a top 5 or a top 6. No, I was ready at 10. Psychologically, I was prepared if they gave me 10. That's what you expected. That's what I expected. I said, if they give me 24, I'll open my veins.

I won't do 24 years, I won't do 50 years. It's not true. 50 years, I have 46 plus 56. I don't need to be an expert on math. It's the same sentence. You're going to die there. As long as you die there, you're going to die there. It's not a mentality, by the way. It's not a suggestion. It's not a suggestion.

It's the mindset. What I believe, when I die, I die. But suffering is the hard part. If you want to pull me out, pull me out quick. I'm going to die, I'm want to pull me, pull me quick. I want to die, I want to die. But that was it. So I had my seasons.

I told my ex before... I talked to my ex. I said, look, that's it, I'm going to accept the season. Okay, that's fine, I'll wait for you. Okay, there's no problem. So I took commit suicide. So for 23 days, that was the worst and millionth experience in my life. You're on camera 24 hours a day, you just go out to take a shower, you're in the bathroom, you're in the bathroom,

you're in the bathroom, you're in the bathroom, you're in the bathroom, you're in the bathroom,ating experience in my life. You're on camera 24 hours a day. You just go out to take a shower, and they have cameras. When you go to the bathroom, there's no hiding. I'm taking the number two, and there's someone in the camera who's serving you in the ass. That's the most humiliating thing in my life. So, 23 days, I was happy when they told me about the general population.

But the problem was that I didn't speak English. The world was talking and everything. I understood that nothing was growing. Sometimes you see them talking and they look at you. I said, damn, what's this thing? You come in a corner and you don't understand anything. So that's it. I was in a personal studio. We started there. I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm saying this, but I have the impression that the I.O. doesn't have as many Arabs as that.

No, no, no. You can't even speak Arabic to someone who can translate. No, no, no. No Arabic, no French, a little Spanish, but Spanish, I'm not an expert in Spanish. I can understand. It was, I was playing with a Mexican who didn't speak English at all. All day long, playing with a Mexican. There, I had my first encounter with an American who was kind of pity, or he was tried to show me games and all that. It was like in the middle of the year. But how does it work?

It must be... It's important. I mean, you're not a criminal of career. You don't know prison. In addition, you don't know the United States. You don't speak English, but how does it work? Did you test yourself directly when you arrived, and you're an Arab?

What's going on? Everything is in the way of seeing. I was ready. I'm a guard, as I said. I went to another country for the adaptation. That's my second name. I adapt quickly. So I follow my head.

If they want to rape me, I'll do everything I can. I'll hit them, I'll shit in my head, if they want to rape me, I'm going to do everything I can. I'm going to hit, I'm going to shit in my pants, and there's no one who's going to fucking rape me. So if I'm going to die for that, I'm going to die for that. I always have a character. You were ready to fight. Ready, it's not just ready. You promised. We'll come back when I want to be in prison, because there real tests. When you're in prison, it's not that easy. In Géel, the deputies are close.

So if there's anything, they come quickly. You mean the prison guards, the pews? That's it. That's easy. So you're on camera, you're protected. 30 seconds. They're there. There, they sent me to prison. When you had the sentence? The sentence. There was a center, how would I say it,

on December 18, 2018, they sent me a place for a dispatch. They sent you according to how you were, your level of... It's a bit like it works. Basically, the prison where you were at the beginning, it's a bit like here, a provincial prison. Now your agreement goes to the federal. Not the federal. It's not like here, it doesn't work.

No, it's provincial. My case, it was provincial. Why did they put it provincial? It's also simple, because in federal, I can ask for transfer to Canada. To Canada. Provencial, c'est aussi simple, parce que en fédéral, je peux demander le transfer d'être au Canada. Au Canada. Provence, là, ILD, tu fais ta fucking sentence. Quand tu finis ici, je t'envoie.

Je ne savais pas ça. Si tu es Canadien, t'essayes tout pour avoir une sentence fédérale. Fédéral, c'est mieux. Même s'il te donne plus, ben look, you come back to Canada, maybe with the driving license and all that. But the HIC, if you transfer to Canada, you will have a judicial case in Canada. There you will be in the system. That's why I paid a... Okay, I understand. Okay, I'll take it back.

If you already have a case in Canada and you get arrested in the United States, you try to make a federal penalty to come back. But if... No, but the way you talk a little... No, what I mean is... It's because I had the choice, how would I say it, to pursue myself federal or state. I'm not provincial, it's state. It's state.

So, since I've crossed all the states, it means it's more federal. The quantity I had is more federal. But they decided that Ohio would take it. If it's at the end of the line for you, it's a good thing. That's right. As I said, there are things with time. We were going back. You were a singer.

I was a singer. I was a chatterbox because even the lawyers in Montreal, they only tried to ask me to be federal to transfer me to Canada. But it didn't work. Ohio, especially Ohio, they are very conservative on this. But what's at the end of the line is a good thing. It's a good thing. When I went to the dispatch center, we were packed.

When I was unpacked, it was packed. A lot of people. That too, it was not worse. We saw the outside, we went out to eat, all the time. We're going to eat. Sometimes you put your ass there, the food is hot.

When he says get up, it's get up. There is no yes ma'am, yes sir. There is no provocation or things like that. If you don't provoke, you don't try to do your best, there is no better than you. And when it happens, before the pandemic, and when it happens, it happens in groups. It doesn't happen once, it doesn't happen twice, it doesn't happen.

It's a war. And women talk nasty, it's worse than a man. It's really... I'm tired of being, as they say, under radar. I don't know about provocations, I know I don't talk. And when someone talks to me, I don't know what provocation is, I don't speak. And when someone speaks to me, I don't speak English. That was the famous phrase that saved my life from all confrontation.

And another advantage is that I'm Muslim. So the Muslim gang, my miss... They took over. The white people with their gloves, the Black people with their gloves, or there are multiple gloves. Latino, Latino, all of that. Especially in the United States, it's really... It's really... But the Muslims, they have all the races.

Yes, but that's what we're talking about. It's like the Black people, they the races. Yeah, but... No, that's it. It's like the Blacks, they speak, they have the Aisle people all together. That's it. The Blacks have the blood, they have that, they have these different genders. The Hells, there aren't many Hells. I knew someone in Namibia, Hells and all that. I arrive, they keep transferring me to prison. I was more happy because there you have the dorm. The dorm.

We all sleep together. We have 220 people. We have beds, we have small divisions. Like what we call here a wing. That's it. You can go alone when it's called. You can go to the food, you can go to activities, you can go to church, you can go to the mosque, you can go to school. It was more freedom. You can play sports too. I think it was on February 5th. It was still cold. It started. I had to study. The first evening, I went to the bathroom and they took my blanket. They said Tabarnak would last a long time. But I was under the wings of people and there was a certain sympathy.

I don't know why. It's either muslim or well- well- it depends on my crime. I didn't touch children. But you can't get angry, noisy. No, no, no. It's always- You're trying to stay under the radar. It's calm like gold. It's low profile.

That's it. I started learning English. Which is not a bad option. I started learning English. Which is not a bad option. I started learning English, but I was observing first. I was observing how the alpha male was working, how it was, how it was. When I started learning English, there was a post for the internet. I was sending messages to my family. The first confrontation with someone.

It happened, they wanted to take my spot. Everyone is looking at you, how you're going to react. Either you're going to be everyone's bitch, or everyone is going to give me the... Even people who... That's where you're going to get your respect or... Otherwise you're going to go to jail. The first sentence I said to the guy, look, maybe I don't speak very good English, but I fight very good. That was it.

So maybe I don't speak English very well, but I fight pretty well. That was it. It was like the sky that fell on his head, and I saw the world in their face. And I was serious. It's not just... I had my tablet, it was in my hand, in my head, you move, it's going to be in your face.

It's clear and clear. There's no half measure. You can't take the time to think. No, no. Especially not in an American prison. No, no. In an American prison, look. The world, as I said earlier, the predators, donkeys, little kids, all that, they pass. It's certain.

They can say, you can declare your thing, you become a fucking snitch. That's another crime that's worse. Because what's in the book, it's declare your thing, you become a fucking snitch. That's another crime that's worse. Because what's in the book is not what's in the law. There are prison rules

and prison rules. It's the inmate rule. That's where it started. I started to develop my knowledge. But I reacted, I'm ready at this level. I reacted to the level. So he let you go. You didn't have to have a confrontation? No. It was surprising because when my brothers saw that I acted like a man,

but look, a lion is a lion. So there, we can do it. With time, I developed developed a relationship with. I'm a guy who's like, with my experience in the community and all that. So because before, they play with tattoos. Yeah, look, I see tattoos and all that. It's like, but there, I saw that they're human beings. Fucking tattoo is just a fucking tattoo. It's not, but before, in the education I had with the tattoo place,

it's not good, it's just criminals who do tattoos. No, it's art. So there I started to learn things. To get you tattooed. No, but look, I'm afraid of needles. No, but as I explain, I'm afraid of needles. That's it for me, but it's correct. I learned to build bridges with people, not walls.

So it's a daily negotiation, every day is different. Once I had an affair with someone, I look at him, I say to him, look, maybe you're stronger than me, but look, I'm going to come and get you when you sleep, you're going to use the bathroom, you're going to go to the shower. That's where I just got you. Do you want us to go there? No, no, I don't want no smoke. Make an appointment. So you managed to handle the confrontations perfectly. Oh my God. It was a confrontation. It was physical confrontation.

I got my hands on a physical object. With someone, it hit me on the nose and everything. I poked in the face. The first time, it's always I hit my nose. Because it gives tears. The patient is fine. Boom, boom, boom, boom, sound pass. There, they increased me to level 2.

Then they warned me. Because since I was well established, they knew I wasn't a guy who was looking for trouble. I didn't get into drugs. They knew it was an isolated event. Isolated. And at the same time, they knew it wasn't my type that would look for problems. They saw me go when school, they saw me go to work in the kitchen, they saw me go to work with the staff, with the guardians.

I told the guardian one day, behind me, in the kitchen, I said, look, you do your job, I do mine. Why don't you do it in peace? Do what you have to do, I did. And I make sure I don't give you trouble when I ask you to do your job. Don't piss me off, I don't have a job. That's it, that's clear. So I started communicating better.

And that's when I learned satire. You see calm and all that, I observe and all that. Then I was more strategic. I said to myself, towards school, that's where I feel I'm more human. That's it, because the video, you sent me a report that was made on you while you were in prison, regarding the studies you decided to do. You were immersed. Once your English took a certain capacity to learn, you started in school. In school. I got my GED in this program.

Everything I said I was going to do, I did. I got my two college diplomas for Business and the other one for Logistics and Transportation. I got a certificate in Mechanics. I think I got 16 certificates in Courses, courses in cooking, anything that was offered to me. You said, as long as I do it, I'll make it profitable. Make it profitable. As you said, I'm a businessman. It's free. All I have to do is put my ass on a chair and learn. And then the teachers, I love them.

I wasn't a prisoner. When I saw the teachers, they spoke to me inhumane. I always found my humanity at school. So I didn't have time to be in the dorm, to watch things, because when you stay all day, you have nothing to do, you watch TV, you become depressed after that. You don't see the real world. Because when your teachers talk about what's going on in the street, and we arrive, that's why when I came back,

it wasn't a surprise for me. It wasn't something like, wow, come on. But I want to ask you this question because, you know, at the moment when you're doing the crime, I should call it the crime. Yeah, it's a crime. Sometimes people talk about it. You asked yourself this question because, you know, at the moment when you did the crime, I should call it the crime. Yeah, it's a crime. The times when people talk about it. At the moment, you say it yourself, psychologically you weren't at the top of your form.

So, everything that happened, you say it yourself. If I had caught you at 24, it wouldn't have been too long. It would have been open and I would have been open and chat-by. But did you manage to rebuild a mental health behind the walls? Did school help you with that? It's not just school. I was also consulting. I consulted, I went. I even developed relationships with nurses, with staff and all that.

It was still... I call them my shiny stars. In my darkness, I have shiny stars. So, of course, it's not the sun, but it still guides me and gives me a purpose in life. And my daughters too. I have two daughters. I have a 19-year-old daughter, I have two daughters. I have a daughter of 19, I have a daughter of 21. What were the contacts you had with them? With your ex, who at the time was still your wife? Yes, it was my wife. I called on the phone.

How old were your daughters when you had your wedding? When you were 800 years old? In 2018, there was one that was... 2006, 2004, 2006, 12 years, 10 years. It's the age of my daughter at the moment. It's important years. Important for her. And especially my ex, she had a problem. I don't want to spread her life in public, so I respect her. Because whatever happened between us, she's still the mother of my daughters.

I can criticize everything she did to my life, I can get it out. But the only thing she did good, she gave me two daughters. So for that, I forgive him. There's nothing to forgive, look. As I said earlier, it's different. It's between you and we're going to keep it between you. That's right. If she was here to tell her story, she would tell you.

That's right, everyone has their own perception. So that's it. I'm happy where I am and I'm happy to be there. I wish him all the best. So that's it. I went to have sessions with Mental Health there. I developed a few good relationships. Because one day I arrived with the girl I saw in time. She told me,

Melarbe, we want to evaluate you. How do you feel? I said, look, what do you want me to tell you? Do you want to know the history of psychology? I went to school. I said, look, there's a white European guy who's going to tell me what I feel, what I don't feel. I say, look, yesterday was yesterday, today is today, tomorrow is tomorrow.

I say, I can't give you a description of what I feel. You're going to put me in a box, then you're going to give me medication and all that. I want to talk to you. Every time I come to see you, there are different subjects. That's what I need. I don't need it because I was the effects, I took the medication, so they felt very, very, very strong. It made me feel like a zombie.

I had no more feelings. I had this rage, but there was no more rage. You lose everything. We dig your ass, you go to the bathroom, you feel all the shit in a list of people like that. You don't have your intimacy anymore, you don't have your... You simply don't have your humanity anymore. You don't have dignity anymore. You don't have dignity anymore.

You have a number. When you go anywhere, you see what your number is. You have your number, that's all. So, value and all that. That's why I started to see, how would I say, the implications. It's not just about me, it's about you, as you just said, you just degraded my daughters. And that's the most important people in my life. I'm sorry for them. People could have hurt them because of my action. And I never did it with my attention. To make you beat up girls.

No. Everything I did, I did to guarantee them a good future. But that's not all. I saw rapists, I saw killers, who were soldiers. So I said, damn, I'm an accomplice, I could have been an accomplice to everyone. He raped a little child because of the drug. He went to kill him because of me. I'm a rapist, I'm a killer, I'm at the same time... It's a great effort. It's very important to me. It's something that... We call it a reality check. Because you realize, sometimes you say, it's just cocaine, it's not for me,

but you realize how bad this substance is. It brings to everyone. That's when I start to say, that's really... That's why this season is the best thing that could happen to me in my life. It made me grow. As they say a lot, it made me realize that sometimes we just let go. It's not exactly just that. And I can just talk about myself, but that's not just me.

There's my whole entourage. And there could be people who are very, very innocent, that I can hurt them without knowing that I've hurt them. Directly or indirectly. So there, it made me, the person of me, look, it's quite a privilege that I share, to share my experience. It's not for me. I'm a good guy.

It's a privilege. It's a privilege to share my experience. It's not for me. I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy. Listen, it's great to be in fiction movies on TV. Listen, it's great to be in fiction movies on TV. I'm a man.

Yes, we all have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. I'm a man. Yes, we all have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have little voices and all that, but it's my responsibility to observe. There are people who have life sentences.

They were little kids, 16, 17 years old, they did that. 33 years old, they have a little tabarnak. Because in Canada, in the United States, the life sentence, when we talk about life sentence, you... Without probable. There are people who have probation, they have 20 or 25 years, and then they will have to see it. Because sometimes there are people who ask me that because I have had people here who have a sentence, but if there is a sentence, why is it there? He is in the system until the end of his days.

So there is a probation agent who will follow him to his death, but you are not sentenced. Yes, you have a sentence, but you are not imprisoned. In the United States, it exists sentenced, but you're not imprisoned. In the United States, that exists. It exists. There are people... Because there's cumulative in the United States. You can go to jail for 16 years and get 130 years in prison.

I don't think that at 146 you'll be very, very strong. Another thing happened when I was in prison. My mom passed away. My grandmother, I'm not saying dead because she's alive in my heart. My grandmother, she passed away. So the guy who was the head of the family, I was even... How was it seen by the Moroccan family in this prison? It's insulting. It's... Even in the... how would I say it Even in the newspapers, there was the mayor of Longes-Gardiens who said,

look, he's not a guy like that. Even people were surprised that I went that far. So far. So drastic, so far. A quantity, it's not a small thing. Did the family forgive you? Well, look, first of all, there's nothing to forgive. No, I mean, did they go over that? The family, yes, but there's a sister in the United States who doesn't talk to me anymore.

And it hurt me. You doesn't talk to me anymore. And it hurt me. You don't talk to me anymore, you don't even talk to my daughters. So my daughters have nothing to do with it. So I told my sister that she was afraid that... How would I say it? That she was afraid that the people I work for would attack her family. But as I always explain, don't come near my family because, look, I'm going to burn all this stuff in your life. I say it, I repeat it, and they can judge me for that. Don't touch a hair of my daughter, don't touch anyone in my family because I'm becoming

very, very, very dangerous. After six years, you're released. I'm released. My big disappointment is the Canadian federal government. The Canadian embassy at the beginning, she said that, look, after the COVID and all that, because before we got there, because there are two lives, before the COVID and after the COVID. Before the COVID, we had two guards in the dorm.

After the COVID, we only had one guardian. We had a guardian with young people who didn't know how to do their job. That means the responsibility of protecting yourself has fallen on you 100%. So you have to learn to defend yourself and all that. When were you released? In July 2024, the 29th of July, I was arrested in the Center for ICE, for immigration, until the 28th of August. So I left. I arrived in Montreal. I had to take a bus, a train from Windsor to Montreal. They were sure to cross me, they were sure to cross me Canada. Then they told me, hey, if we get you here, you have two years to 20 years in prison.

I'm banned from living in the United States. So, don't come to us. As you got your chance, don't come to meet. So, as you were lucky, we didn't get to meet. You published that. That's right. I never planned to be in the United States. I'm not sure you want to go back anyway. No, but anyway, there was a guard who knew me. He said, don't do it again.

I said, look, it wasn't my intention to come to prison for the first time. But what's been going on in your life? It's not been long. It's been a few months. Look, as I told you, I'm a guy who's a bit of a mess. I arrive in Montreal, I contact my daughter, because she's a student and she's going to do psychology. She's 21 now, she's going to be a psychologist.

Are you younger or older? The oldest. The oldest is 21. The youngest is 19. So the youngest. So I stayed at the hotel because I'm at the arrival. It's all bad. So I didn't do anything.

I didn't do anything. I had three shorts, shoes, underwear, that's all. I didn't do anything. Since I got separated, we got separated, my ex. While you were in prison. underwear. I lost everything. We split up. During the month of August, 2022. So it's going to be three years soon.

My daughter helped me. I slept in a hostel where there were eight people in a room. I paid $35. Sometimes the lady would I paid $35. Sometimes the lady, she leased $50. Look, but from the way I saw it, I saw worse for me to sleep in a room with eight people, with superimposed letters. I know how to defend myself and all that. It doesn't intimidate me.

After being imprisoned in the United States, I don't think there are eight people in the same room. It's not going to intimidate me. My daughter helped me a little. One week in Montreal, one week until a friend in Granby came to pick me up. He offered me a loft in his house and all that for, how would I say, the time I had. I found a job. You fell on your feet a little. That's it. I came across a job. A week after that, I found a job. Comme on dirait le temps que je m'ai... J'ai trouvé une job... Tu te retombe sur tes pieds un peu. C'est ça là. Je suis tombé sur une job. Une semaine après ça, j'ai trouvé une job. Et de toute manière, avec mon employeur,

mes employeurs, le premier, le deuxième, j'ai toujours parlé de ma caisse. Je suis très transparent dans ma tête. Je travaille pas pour toi si tu veux pas que je travaille pour toi. C'est comme en mariage. J'ai rien. Parce que de ce côté, comme tu disais tantôt, as you said earlier, you don't have criminal files in Canada. No. So that helped me.

Or it's respectful. When I work, I'm there for... I don't want to, as they say, trivialize my crime, but it wasn't a violent crime. No, no. It's not drugs. I'm not trying to... Not at all, as I said, I, on the contrary, I see myself, I'm harder on myself than the system is on me. Because in the United States, drugs are not violent crimes. It's not considered violent crimes.

It's not theft, it's not the use of force, it's not a violent crime. So it's not abuse of children, all that. But I was further away from that. It's because of the fucking drug that people got sick. You were put in the pattern. You went to the end of

if it had been delivered, who would have found it in their hands and the person who had it in their hands after the take, what would she have done? I would have been accomplice. And at 76 kilos, I would have thrown a lot of people. It's 96% pure, and she could have been cut. She could have been cut again.

There, the cut, she did a hole. That's worse. Because I saw with, after COVID, they started to use it there. The fountain, yeah. And we saw other episodes, they call it epic. Look, I gave you a piece of advice. Don't make a fool of yourself. That's it.

There's a friend who told me, I think it was 350 pounds, he told me, Larmé, I had two big ones, I put them in my nose, I lost consciousness, the only one, I opened my eyes, to the ophthalmologist, he said,, I opened my eyes, allopetal, and he said, you'll never touch that, you can't even touch it, it's the world, they try to put it in their body and all that, but that's things, it's another subject. But that's it, but that's it, quickly you found a job? Job, I found a job.

Your friend who you sheltered in Granby, you found yourself a job? I found a job, and worked here for six years. I finished on December 13. I went through another job. I found another job. I started on January 7. I found a job on May 4. My daughter, 19, came to live with me. She lived with her mother and moved with you?

Not with her mother, she lived in another place for young people and all that. It wasn't going well. It wasn't going well. As we said, we won't talk about your ex. It's not your story. That's it. My daughter was the only condition. You go back to school.

I don't ask you for a loan, I don't ask you for a pay, whatever. My condition is that I saw that education is the thing that nobody can take from you. Was it easy to build relationships with your daughters? I've always had them, I've sent them messages. No, I understand, but you say, hey, I'm going back to school. Who are you? You just got your student card presented. There hasn't been a little confrontation about that. No, he knows my character.

My character is also simple. My door is always open. If you want to go, good luck. If you want to come inside, welcome. There are rules. There are rules. It's my home. It's my home. It's clear and clear. I learned that in prison, that you have to make your line of things. There are comfortable things, that I am comfortable, I can give it a chance. It's about my daughters too.

But at the same time, there are things that are non-negotiable. There is a line that is not crossed. There is a line that is not crossed. Everything I ask you to be autonomous. How? You have to go through school. There's no one who's going to hire you if you don't have your second degree. I call myself and say, the diplomas I got,

I don't work with my diplomas, but at least have something you have the choice. When you don't have a degree, you don't have a choice. They tell you to do that. If you want to win, you pay bills. That's what you have to do. It's been, I'm trying to do a little calculation, six months since you went out of prison in the United States, that you're here in Canada, you're back, it's been six months.

I'm looking at you, you got in the car, so you're back quickly. Well, because I started preparing my return, as I said in our little report on Facebook, when I was there. So it's not something I prepared six months ago. Six months ago, it started six years ago. Six years and six was me who started preparing for my return. So we say, we're preparing for the best. We don't expect... No, we're preparing for the best, and we wish for the best.

But you left, you left as a person who came to get his house seized, all that. And you come back, it's been six years. You call the bank for a pre-automated call, whatever. There's no pre-automation. No, no, but you understand what I'm saying. You have to get over it. You're like a 17-year-old young man who just got his first job. You're going back to zero.

The worst is not zero. It's less than 20. It's less than 20, less than 30. I'm diabetic. I have my blood pressure problem. And then Quebec has a law. I have to wait three months to have my medical insurance. So my medication and all that, I had to cut my fucking bones that they gave me to the heart.

Things like that for my insulin. It's my daughter who gave me the money to buy my insulin. So... Because you're a Canadian, you're only... I am Canadian citizen, but that too, I'm becoming a little... I don't want to be racist. I went to an organization in Montreal, I don't have a place to stay there.

They told me, you're not going to a shelter there. I said, what the fuck? I'm a fucking Canadian citizen and all that. No, you can't sleep here because you're not going to a shelter. So if you were a refugee, it would have been easier. No, you can sleep there. I have nothing against refugees. No, no, no. As I see it now, we see it on the screen.

I say, we see prayers on the screen. We have money for surprises, we take care of the people who are already there. It's not a question of racism. No, no, no. people who are already there. I'm not a racist question. It's not a question of... No, no, but it's weird to say... I'm a Canadian citizen. We can't help you if you're a Canadian citizen, but if you're a refugee, we can help you. No, but the worst is, I work very hard, I get up 700 pieces a week,

1400 fucking pieces, I get up on my own, my pay, what do I have... You have super nice roads, you have an impeccable health system. I'm not even a doctor, a family doctor, even if I'm diabetic, even if I have something. But I have my system's callus. I never created the system. I can't just say Canada, it's everywhere. I'm going to try the same callus. There's a minority that controls the majority, and there are people who have some kind of high or low, there's no middle class that survives the majority. And there are people who have some... You're rich or you're poor.

There's no middle class that survives from each one of the countries. If you just get a little low, you're in trouble. You put it on the credit card and all that. So... How is it for you? Well, look, it's going very well.

Sometimes it's difficult. I won't hide it from you. Sometimes it's very tough. Because the work I do, I work from 7 a. I won't hide it from you. Sometimes it's very tough because the work I do, I work from 11.30 in the evening until 7.30. It will start Monday, I will work until 3.30. I have to take care of my daughter, she has emotional problems. I call for help, they say she's older than 18,

it's up to her to call that. Callous. Guy, give me some air in there. I said, Madam, I don't want to explode or anything. Now you're becoming violent. It's not a matter of violence. I'm telling you, I have a problem. Is there anyone to help me?

There's no one to help me. Since I'm missing from here in the United States, I'm working on it. I learned to be a survivor, as my father said. The system of being lost, being panicked, all that, that's it. I deal with it every day.

Every day is my deal for the day. Yesterday, it was yesterday, tomorrow, it will be tomorrow. I don't fall into the world of panic. Because I always tell myself, I saw worse. Exactly. The rest of the time. You ended up seeing worse. And I don't think you're going to go back to where you were. Look, I consider myself a smart guy. I say I use my intelligence to the best of my ability. Why go to the fucking...

Anyway, I don't need millions, I don't need billions, I don't need money, I need a minimum. It's not... Contentment and satisfaction. When you've taken everything away... The worst is not when you're... As I told you, money is not a problem. If a problem is a problem of money, it's not a problem. Health. That's a problem is a money problem, it's not a problem.

Health, that's a problem. Your freedom, that's a problem. The well-being of your children. The well-being of my children, that's a problem. And the worst case scenario, I could have been killed there. To be dead, that doesn't solve the problem of my daughters. So I live the con... It's not knowing, it's understanding. That's why we say wisdom is knowledge plus experience.

When I match the two, you become wise. You see things to do or things to not do, and you understand the consequences of your business. I don't want to be... I would have liked to work in a system where I could help people explain to them, because I can communicate. And that doesn't scare me. There's no one who's going to intimidate me. I want to look him in the eyes. I want to tell him the truth.

You believe it. Because sometimes we need... If I had someone who is a man enough, face to face like me, and he explains to me, OK, OK, don't do that, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, look, you can't give me weapons. You're going to tell me, go fight the Americans, but you're going to give me a little knife. What do you want me to do with a little knife? It's like that. We have organizations in the community that want to do it. There are plenty of them. It's the quality that's your problem. I'm talking to a lot of people who are in organizations and they all have the same problem, they're underfunded.

I know, I worked for others. When you get out of prison, social reinstatement systems are all organizations. It should probably be the government that helps people to be reintegrated, but it's the organizations that do it. These organizations need money to pay for their services, but they don't. It's like buying good conscience. It's like we're going to give Christmas time. The world is becoming generous, Christmas time.

But they don't know that fucking poor people are all year long. It's not just Christmas time that someone needs to eat. We need to eat every day. It's all things. But that's a choice. As a society, it's a choice. I made my fucking choice to make my good wolf eat. I decided not not feed my... It will stay on my bike. It's part of... You just don't have to feed it.

That's it. You just don't have to feed it. When I have time, when I'm in the house, it happened to me three days or so, what do I do? I go to my room, I listen to music, I watch things,

and I get called in order. It's like I had discussions with myself. If I learned to know myself when I was in a place where there was no one, all the people I thought were each with their own life, but now I'm talking to myself. You manage to make your own introspection. That's it. And I had sincere and honest communication with myself. Each action has consequences. I am confident for your future. Thank you very much, my dear.

You are too, I imagine. It's on a certain level. I have no doubt about it. As I said, my day is here, you made my day today. So it's like a therapy for me. We share my experience. It's like, I'm not afraid, I don't want to cut this, cut that. That's me. It's perfect.

And I like that. And I say it all the time. I'm a guy, I like people who are frank and who talk with their heart what you have been. I'm a guy who takes the freedom of expression. And I think your journey, your sharing can inspire several people. I hope so. If it saves just one person, I'll be very happy. Because this person has family, she has friends, she has other people. Just one person saved,

it saves a lot of people on that. I'll be very happy on that. Larvie, thank you very much for your presence. It was very appreciated. Thank you very much, my dear. Really, I hope you all also appreciated the conversation. You