Au Parloir - Épisode #96 - Junior

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Starting point is 00:02:15 He's not a crook. He's a talker. He was a big guy. He started in his early 20s, even at the age of 18, Motard. He founded a motard club, not necessarily criminalized, although there were some people who did certain things in it, but classic motard group of the 60s, to drink, to fight, to fuck a little bit of shit, you know. And well, love, huh, what it can do. And he completely flipped over. He became a cop, not only a cop, he was a normal cop for a few years, but he became an infiltrated cop.

Starting point is 00:02:52 He's a guy who bought more than 150 kilos of coke in his life as an infiltrated agent. The podcast could have lasted four hours. Honestly, you'll understand, there were stories and stories and stories. Mané, I'm waiting, I want to hear them too, but... Well, Mané, we have to stop, we have to move forward in history. But honestly, I really loved that man, that story, that podcast. Honestly, it was really interesting.

Starting point is 00:03:24 Once again, I repeat, I don't necessarily endorse the gestures, the ideologies, the terms used by my guests, but I'm a person who takes the freedom of expression. I like frank people who speak with their hearts. Welcome to the parlor. Today's episode is, among other things, a presentation of the new energy drinks, Spark. Do you want to stay focused, see the sound, hear the colors,

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Starting point is 00:04:32 Exactly. Listen, we're going to spend the rest of your life, but I'm going to summarize. You start, you're going to start, you're going to start, you're going to start. You're going to start, you're going to start, you're going to start, you're going to start, you'll understand pretty quickly. Exactly. Listen, we're going to go through your whole life, but let me make a little summary. You start, boom, you continue, you become infiltrated. Listen, I think your little son approached us. Exactly. We read that, we did it like, I talked to my collaborator, I said,

Starting point is 00:05:05 you call that man, it wasn't long, it took five stars, and we did it quickly, we wanted to be sure you were looking for ideas. It's the first time, you know, I've been hoping to have someone like you for a long time, and what's cool is that you have more layers, you're not just an infiltrated cop, Christ started the other side, so I think you... Thank you for the invitation. Well, it was a pleasure. Thank you for being here.

Starting point is 00:05:30 Gignan, let's get down to business. As I do with all my guests, where do you come from? What's your parents' style? What's your family's style? Let's go through that. Okay. I came to the world in the 50s. I'm 15 years old today. I came to the world in Little Italy. Why Little Italy?

Starting point is 00:05:46 My grandfather arrived in Canada at the age of 16. He was Italian. He came from Italy. My whole family is Italian. So we all stayed in Little Italy. We all stayed in Little Italy for the first seven years of my life. My grandfather, my aunt, you know how it is, Italian, the family and all that. So I stayed in Montreal for seven years, with an Italian family. I went to the Italian school.

Starting point is 00:06:10 My teachers were Italian religious people. Brother, sister? Brother, sister? Three sisters, not three. Then raised by, especially by my mother, because my father, my father didn't drink, he didn't even sacrifice himself, except that he worked a lot, he was a Romulan. I didn't see my father often.

Starting point is 00:06:32 What did he do? Forerunner. He had a forerunner store. Yes, it's funny. In the time, it's so funny that in the time, I didn't dare to say it, I said, my father is a forerunner. Forerunner. I don't say it's forerunner.

Starting point is 00:06:43 Yes, it's forerunner. He had forerunner stores. What does it feel like to stop the show and be proud that you made your father in life? My father is a smoker. I'm not saying he's a smoker. He's a smoker. What does it mean to stop the conversation? You're making your father's life a smoker. It's a point-ster in your mouth. That's why I'm here. You're a smoker. My father is a good guy,

Starting point is 00:06:58 but not often there. I was raised by my mother, by four daughters, my mother and three sisters. That's why you have long hair. That's not why I was not feminine. So they stayed in Montreal for five years. The Italian school of religion taught me, which in the past they tapped their fingers, I'm left-handed. Then they tapped their fingers, I wrote from the right, from the left I would say.

Starting point is 00:07:19 There they tapped their fingers with their little finger in time so that I would come back to the right because if it was left-handed in time so I could come back to the right. Because it was left-wing at the time. It was a sin. In Catholic religion, being left-wing... Yeah, I've heard that before. So, anyway, you become... I stayed left-wing, but I wrote from the right.

Starting point is 00:07:36 So we started from... Again today, excuse me, I'm listening to you again today. You're left-wing, but you stayed, and you wrote from the right again today. Yes, and a chance, because I'll talk about it later. I broke my limbs a lot. My last motorcycle accident in 2003, I was broken everywhere. Metal plates here, my legs, a little bit everywhere.

Starting point is 00:07:57 And I couldn't write on the right. So, I'm lucky. I'm left-handed. So, it didn't take long to start over and create left-wing. It helped me a lot. Today, I can say... Well, listen, the Catholic Church did something good for you. Exactly. It martyred you when you were young to create right-wing,

Starting point is 00:08:13 and you were late. Exactly. So, the first seven years in Montreal, at seven years old, we moved. My father bought a house in Laval-des-Rapides, which today is in Laval. A little bungalow. I lost all my Italian because at home we spoke Italian, English.

Starting point is 00:08:30 We didn't speak French. My grandfather, my grandmother, until their death, they didn't speak French. So we just spoke English, Italian at home. I moved to Laval, a French school, French friends, so I lost everything. I kept my English because at home we listened to the TV in English, but I lost my Italian. I regret it today, but that's how it is. So there I started French school. I arrived in Laval, I think I was in the third year, something like that. A normal childhood, with a good father, a good mother, and as I told you, it was my mother mother raised us. My mother was Italian, so she made my home, big lunches, spaghetti,

Starting point is 00:09:10 boulettes, etc. So I had a great childhood, really. A lot of friends, because you'll see too long. For me, it's important to have a gain. I was always a guy with a gain. It was my life. This gain, I had to be surrounded by a guy. tour était un gars de gang tout le temps. C'était ma vie ça. Gang, cette gang là, il fallait que je pouvais entourer de chum. Excuse. Fait que je vois l'école, ça va bien. Je n'ai pas premier de classe mais dans les premiers. L'école va bien, tout va bien. Allez, il va en 73, les Beatles y arrivent. Oh my God. tu te cherches un peu. Puis là, j'ai le modèle que je veux. C'est les Beatles qui arrivent. Dans le temps, on avait toutes des petits coques à la veste Presley avec du burk cream dedans. Et là, du jour au lendemain, tout le monde, les cheveux en bas.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Ça, c'était la première chose qui a changé complètement ma vie. À 13 ans, là, j'ai commencé à... ça me prenait mes bottes Beatles pour sortir. il fallait que je sois habillé en Beatles. Fait que là mes notes d'école, autant que j'étais à mon école, ça commençait à dropper, puis dropper. Parce que la musique, les Beatles, tout ce que ça emmène, mais là j'ai commencé à sortir un peu les petites filles, les parties, ça a changé ma vie réellement. Les patates, à ce tâche-là un peu, on fume un patate, faut-tu entendre? I started smoking a joint or a hash. It happened a little later, I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older.

Starting point is 00:10:52 I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older.

Starting point is 00:11:00 I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was a little older. I was two years old. No, at that time, I can't say that I started smoking a joint or a hash. If it had come a little later, I would say... I started smoking even cigarettes when I was 16. I was a little... I wasn't fast, I guess.

Starting point is 00:11:18 In 63, starting smoking at 16, it's late in your life. Not good. Everyone. So, that's it. I had an easy childhood. I loved fun, listened to the Beatles. And I want to add a little anecdote. We love the Beatles so much that we want to split a band. Me and Trump, everyone wanted to split bands.

Starting point is 00:11:39 Everyone. The Beatles arrived, then the Stones arrived, then the Defqr Five, the Alemos. And in Quebec there were a lot of groups that imitated them. The Baronets. That's it. They took the Beatles' tunes and translated them into French. It was bad. Yes, it was awful. But we said to ourselves, why not us?

Starting point is 00:11:59 So we started a band, we don't know how to play music, nobody. We take a teacher who shows us how to play the guitar. On se porte un band, on sait pas jouer de la musique, personne. On prend un professeur, il nous montre comment jouer de la guitare, fait je commence à jouer de la guitare, il m'aperçoit que... Bon, rien, j'ai pas de riz. C'est pas ton talent. Non, non, non, non. Fait je dis, égal, on va faire une affaire, toi tu joues de la guitare, toi tu joues de la guitare, toi tu joues de la base,

Starting point is 00:12:17 pis toi tu joues de ces drums, moi on va chanter. Ah, parfait. On se porte un petit band dans la cave chez nous. Ah, perfect. We were going to have a little band in our home. We recorded that, it was with tapes, we recorded that. And we listened to it afterwards, it was in Bernan. We're so far from Beatles. You can't forget the singer's career, it ended there. I'm happy to listen to Beatles and the band never left.

Starting point is 00:12:45 It was a bit like the announcement of Harry, you know, you never had a band. So that's it, we dropped that. Continue to have a good adolescence, like I told you, like everyone, the girls, the music, it's going well. School, but it drops a bit. Je double ma neuvième année. Excuse-euh... Là, ça va plus tellement bien. J'ai fini mon secondaire, secondaire 5. Je l'ai fini de peine et de misère, mais je l'ai fini. À l'âge de 17 ans, j'ai dit tantôt les Beatles,

Starting point is 00:13:18 c'était mon premier changement de vie. À peu près ça, 17, 18 ans, il sort un film. Easy Rider. C'était sûr. Quand t'as, il sort un film. Easy Rider. C'était sûr. Quand t'as dit il sort un film, t'as parlé de moto tantôt, c'était comme ça doit être Easy Rider. Avec Pierre-Yves Fonda, Dennis Harper, Jack Nicholson. Là on regarde ça, on a encore, comme je t'ai dit, je tourne avec ma gang de chum, on est dans la salle de cinéma, mais on regarde ça, puis la bave nous coule. Tu vois autant que quand j'écoutais Beethoven, la bave me coulait, mais là elle me coulait encore. The bar was still flowing. When I listened to The Beatles, the bar was still flowing. Look at that. The Chopper with the Latin that Harley spoke with the United States flag.

Starting point is 00:13:51 Exactly. It was a movie, how do you call it? A fetish movie. We're in the cinema room and we're watching it. It's like I said, it was about 17, 18 years ago. You can't go to the band anymore, you want a bike. on BSA 650 in the time, in the BSA mode Triumph, Norton, it was the BSA that was in the mode. So I became a BSA, we started to make motorcycles, we walked around, we went a little bit everywhere, and then, well, as in any organization, a lot of people gather around us, we have a place, and then there are other motorcycles that come, and then we said to ourselves, Bernard, we're going to start a gang. In 1968, we thought we wouldn't start a gang. There was nothing behind criminal thought.

Starting point is 00:14:55 Just a motorbike club to make a motorbike. We started that, we made a few races. We started riding left to right, and then it started. The motor groups started, there was Pops in Montreal, the Puppets of Montreal, the Devos of Cyples, and others. That was the beginning. Then the other thing was that you were with a patch, a crest, it was not't good because that was the trend at the time. We left, we didn't let go. Then we started to ride left and right.

Starting point is 00:15:35 I was in an enterprise called The Dentire. I worked hard, even when I was a motorbike driver. I worked hard. Sometimes I was too tired to go home, but I was working. So we started to do rides, a little bit everywhere. One of the first rides we did, we went to Val d'Or, we met the motorbike group over there, which is called Diablos. So we met the motorbike group.

Starting point is 00:16:00 And when you went to meet a motorbike group outside, we walked everywhere. And everyone was welcoming us like heroes. It was welcome. It wasn't that there were nice places, but we were welcome. I mean, the beer and everything we needed. So we went outside,

Starting point is 00:16:14 we went to the Diablos' camp, we took a little glass and the guys said, hey, we have a club nearby, we'll stay there. We went to the club. Then you think, if he comes, at the end of the server, the boat is hitting him. We hit each other, hit each other, coming to the end of the server. He said no. We were fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting. The police arrived.

Starting point is 00:16:29 I was locked up. But in those years, they stopped me. They took me to the station. The next day, when it was frozen, they said no files, no... It was like that. So I spent about two nights in cell. After that, we were sleeping about four or five days, we came back, we went to Arrodin, a camping site.

Starting point is 00:16:55 We went into the camping site, we had about 20 tons of bicycles. There were guys already there camping, they saw us, they didn't like us, they thought we were coming, we turned off. We had two patches on the same camping. The boat turnedient, ils nous aiment pas à face. Je sais pas si ils arrivent. On se poigne. Pas deux pattes sur le même camping. La bataille poigne. On se ramasse où? On se ramasse dans le cellule. Je couche au poste dans le temps.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Aujourd'hui, ça sortait du Québec. Dans le temps, c'est la police municipale. Je couche encore dans le cellule. Je me lâche le lendemain ou sur le lendemain. T'sais, tant que t'as pas de plainte, là. Si y avait... Dans le temps, personne se plaignait. C'est pas vrai, un coup de poing, ça aïeule, là. Fait que... Mais l'affaire aussi, c'est qu'à l'époque, c'était ça. C'était un coup de poing, ça aïeule.

Starting point is 00:17:32 Ouais, c'est ça. Ça te demande que ça se réglait, c'est ça. Exact, c'est plus ça. C'est à la limite une petite barre d'affaires ou une petite chaîne, là, mais t'sais, je veux dire, c'était pas... là, ça se pique, ça se tient dessus, c'est-ci pour un regard fraîche. Non, non, c'était fair. Dans le temps, c'était fair, là. C'était-tu pas que des fois, t'avais pas deux gars situés, là, ou... mais c'est comme ça. It's not like you don't have two guys around you, but it's like that. So I went back to 18, and my life changed completely. I told myself I was coming from a good family. But you don't align yourself with the right line.

Starting point is 00:17:59 And then it starts. And that's the battle. I liked that. It's new for me. I liked that. As I was saying earlier, it starts. It's true. I smoke, I make a joint.

Starting point is 00:18:12 I make a little hash. You don't drink much? I drink a lot. A lot of beer. I'm not a beer drinker. I had to drink beer. It was like that. So a lot of beer, pot, hash, but I never touched anything else.

Starting point is 00:18:31 Never. Never before or after. I never touched that. Acid, coke, I never touched that. So we smoke, we have fun, we fight, we advance our cells. That's from the 68's, 69's. That lasts 2, 3 years. Maybe not everyone is going to relate, but I listen to it and I'm like, it's so cool that it looks fun! It's not for everyone, but I'm like,

Starting point is 00:18:54 it's awesome that it looks fun! It's the life of a driver in time. It's really the life of a driver for a young person between 18 and 20 years old. The chums, the girls, the drinks, the battles, I never fight. I'm a motorcycle guy too, so you know, Chris... And you know, when you're in there and you're young, I never fight. I don't hide it. You can barely drink your beer while riding your bike.

Starting point is 00:19:19 You didn't have a rest at the time. We didn't even have a break in time. No break, a little cold beer, you get drunk before... That's it. It wasn't weird, we had beer in our hands. It was like that. You know, not criminal accusations at work. For a shaggy table.

Starting point is 00:19:34 It was like that. So I did that for... 1968, 1969, 2010. I was vice president of the club in 1971, I became president of the club, president of the motorcycle club. We made it to 30, 40. The first ones were my sons, my friends, the first guys, the first 10, 15 guys were my me, all my chums. But now there are new ones coming in, the strikers. At the beginning they're strikers, they're prospecting. We're going to hire them, then you have the initiation. And they're guys you learn to know, but it's not the same environment as me.

Starting point is 00:20:15 They're tough, it's tougher. Now it's tough. So we keep going like that. I just wanted to ask you a question. First, I just wanted to come back to one thing. I know you had like-hoes and stuff. Except that the fact that you didn't go and tap your fingers and stuff, there's probably people who did it like,

Starting point is 00:20:32 I'm still here and they went to jail and cell phone and stuff. When I say that you were cool, by the way, it's a way of talking. It's not like that. But the thing I brought you, you're president now, thirty guys, you know, start doing stuff. You work, you've always worked on all this, but are there some who don't work and who live a little bit like they do by selling a little weed, a little, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:54 it's not a criminal organization, but there are some things in there. But it's a little, you said it, you put your finger on it, it starts to sell a little bit and I'm not a pusher, I'm against drugs, it's like I said, I'm against hash, commence à vendre un peu. Moi je suis pas un pusher, je suis contre la drogue. Comme je dis, rien contre la pote, la hache. En garde aujourd'hui, c'est rendu légal. Mais là, ça commence à être fort, là, les gars commencent à vendre, certains gars commencent à vendre. Là, je suis pas à l'aise avec ça. Je suis pas un criminel. Je suis pas un criminel comme tel. Oui, je vis comme un... ben même pas comme un criminel, comme un jeune. life as a criminal, not even as a criminal, but as a young man. You're a little bit agitated.

Starting point is 00:21:28 It's like Easy Rider. You want to ride, you want to enjoy, drink your beer, and if there's people who aren't happy, we'll fix it. Drink from the country, and that's it. Exactly. So, it's starting to be tough. It's starting to be tough a little bit. The other teams, the other gangs, because there are other gangs, there's a lot of them down there. When we rented, we had a place just in front of the Pauvio.

Starting point is 00:21:52 We had a place, and right next to it, another group of motorists got installed. They're real guys. OK. They're criminal organization? Yes, they're much older than us, because I don't forget. I was between 18 and 22 years old.

Starting point is 00:22:08 And the other side, the other gang, they were guys in their 30s, 35s, 40s, even more than that. They saw more snow than us. So it started with the door. The local, I remember, had two doors. There was an old post of the Quebec City Council. There were two doors. There was an old post office in Quebec City. There were two doors in front of us. And often we would go out.

Starting point is 00:22:29 There was a little parking space in front of us. We would park our Harley there. And it happened so many times that we didn't know. There were only the others. The building was crazy. It was our house. But it was fun. It was like that.

Starting point is 00:22:41 We loved it. That's okay. I understand that. So it started to get a little rough. That's right, that's right. I understand that. So, it started to get off a bit, it started to get a bit tough. In 1970, we have a cold, it's the October crisis. Do you have the October crisis? No, not in 70.

Starting point is 00:22:58 No, I wasn't born and I only lived through the October crisis. No, it's in 70. Not the October crisis. Ah, the October crisis! Hey, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. I have the OCA crisis that hit's in the sun. Not the October crisis. Oh, the October crisis! Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. I have the October crisis that popped up in my head. My bad. Is it a lapsus on my part? My brain glitched.

Starting point is 00:23:12 It's the October crisis. It's not my fault. My mistake. I had the October crisis in my head. I don't know why. The October crisis starts with phalces. Oh, 100%. I glitched, my brain wasn't there.

Starting point is 00:23:28 And when the October crisis comes, there's a law called... In other words, the police have to enter anywhere. Yes, they have the right to do that. The war measures. Exactly, the law on the war measures. So we're in the local area, was a gang, about ten people, as usual. The local, a small place, not so big, maybe 20 by 30, all crockery. A small bar, a pool table.

Starting point is 00:23:54 Exactly. A pool table, a small bar, and we sold beer, maybe 55, a piece of beer, and with the profits we made, that's what paid for our trips when we went abroad. In October 2010, I was 20 years old, Mr. Yacou. And then one day, we go out, there's a pizzeria not far from our house, not far from the... The cellar? There's a pizzeria, we go in there, there are soldiers there. We don't have anything there. And we look, and as usual, the soldier has a bicycle, the hair, the bombs, militaire, garde bécic, les cheveux longs, les bombes, les asties, puis là, il commence à nous écœurer.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Il arrive encore une fois. Bing, ba-da-boom. Le ding, ba-dang. La bataille il pognent. Ça reste dans ma haine, moi. Je veux dire, j'en ai gagné puis j'en ai perdu, hein. Quelqu'un qui se bat souvent, là. Je n'ai pas le négocié pour rien eat. That day, it was summer, we were fighting with each other. We went back to our place. It didn't take more than half an hour. Boom, boom, boom, in the front door. We opened the door, it was the police. It was about four or five hours in the front.

Starting point is 00:24:56 It was the police. So, we got out of the car, we didn't go out for the evening. Excuse me. You're here, you're full of blood. You're here, you're full of blood. Oh, I fell. You know what it is, huh? So, he's worried. Pardon? It's a yes, it's a yes. Oh, I fell. So, he doesn't need a purchase, he doesn't need a

Starting point is 00:25:14 arrest warrant, and he can be arrested for, I think it was the evening of 12 or 16, 3 or 4 days he can be arrested. So, I don't know how many police officers, he has us all the way to the police car and they took us to Pompio, down there. I was still in the 55th of Laurentide.

Starting point is 00:25:30 We went back to the station, put the cell phone in the gang. The other places, I stayed one night, two nights in the cell phone. One night, two nights, three nights. And in Bernan, I started to think it was too long. As I said, I'm not a guy who did prison for years. And what you want is your freedom, you want to do bike? I just want to get out of there. So after 4 days, he frees us. Finally, the guys didn't complain again.

Starting point is 00:26:02 They didn't book us for that. They booked us because it had been a long time since they wanted to go back to the premises. I'm not going to lie, the guys didn't file a complaint yet. They didn't book us for that. They booked us because it had been a long time since they wanted to go back to the premises. It had been a long time since they wanted to come and see what it looked like. And then they didn't need a warrant, so they went back in, they searched everywhere, and they booked us all. So they had to keep us, like I said, three or four days, I don't remember. So they kept us the time they needed.

Starting point is 00:26:20 And we got out of there. And then, I must admit admit it was the first time I felt like it. That's all I want to live. That's how I want to live my whole life. Go from cell to cell. I found that long. Four days. It's not even two years, I find that long.

Starting point is 00:26:37 You can go pee, sandwich with cheese and bread. I didn't like that. So it was the, I didn't like it. It was the first time I really thought, I'm going to keep it in place. It continued, I was 20 years old. In 1971, there was a tavern just in front of the place where we were. It was called the Vanda Tavern, it must still be there.

Starting point is 00:27:04 All the bombs were there. So we're holding on, naturally. Ha ha. And that was a free-for-all. The Vendredi Soir was the battle. It was almost ready. You had to... So it was...

Starting point is 00:27:18 There was no battle at Vendredi Soir. It was flat. It was flat. It didn't miss. You had to listen to hockey. So it was Friday night. We were in Van Da, still. I couldn't get a beer. And I'm not in the car, so that means it's true.

Starting point is 00:27:37 It was the... I'll come back to that later. We were about to get a beer. We were taking a beer. We were in a car. It was in February. You have a reason not to be in a motorcycle. I have my Chevrolet Soirée 1 in the time. I have an old Chevrolet Soirée 1.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Four doors. A Biscayne if you will. Oh, I know that one. So I was with one of my friends. We went out to the tavern. You have a little frosted, naturally, as usual. We went out again to do aavan, no place to go. It was the weekend.

Starting point is 00:28:09 We passed in front of a church that I knew, it was my parish. There were lots of cars in the parking lot. I told my son, Fuse, we're still playing today, I said to Fuse, I said, oh, Bernard, she said, well, I think it's the Queen's coronation tonight. Because there was always a carnival in Saint-Laurent. It was the place where I was raised, in this part of the West. And I remembered that the other years,

Starting point is 00:28:37 there was a festival or a carnival, and they were crowning the Queen. So we go into the parking lot, we go in there, and there, in the kitchen, we go in, it's a Queen's coronation. Everyone is in tuxedo, everyone is in a tie. When we go in, they were serving beer. The Queen of the Parish, you know?

Starting point is 00:28:57 Yes, that's it. Because everyone... Oh, Elizabeth, there. No, no, no. The Queen of Carnival. Yes, the Queen of Carnival, that's it. A coroner that evening. So we go in there, when we go in there, well, that's it Queen of Carnival. A crowned one that night.

Starting point is 00:29:06 So we go in there, everyone's looking at us, everyone's in their scaravans, we're there. We have a horse-drawn reindeer, we're all in a row, we're sitting at a table, nobody wants to sit next to us. And nobody wants to tell you to leave either? No, they don't dare. We were a little bit known in the area too.

Starting point is 00:29:23 So there's the music, the crown, you know, that's it. We were a little bit known in the neighborhood too. So, there's the music, the coronation is over, the queen is crowned, it's the dance, and they were serving the drink, so we took it again, of course, we took a cup of beer again. And then the dance begins, and the queen of carnival, a girl in white dress, a little girl, a beautiful girl, my husband says, you're afraid to cut her, she danced with her, what was her name, her... Cavalier? The guy who accompanied her that evening, Prince Consort, that's what it was called.

Starting point is 00:30:05 Sorry, we didn't have one. No, no, no, that's not it. His Prince Consort, so they dance together. And then I look at them, and I look at them dance, and they're so beautiful. I'm looking at the queen, she's so beautiful. So my husband said that, he said, you're afraid to cut them. I said, no, I'm not afraid to go to the dance floor, I'll eat a lamb with the queen and her big white dress, don't worry, it's not a dance track,

Starting point is 00:30:25 it'll be a queen with her big white dress and all that. So it stays like that. The last dance of the evening, I remember that it was Jeanette Renault who sang, it was the last waltz. It was the last waltz. I'd like to relate, I know Jeanette, but not that much.

Starting point is 00:30:42 You see why I didn't lose the band? But now, what's that? You see why I didn't lose the band? So, I take my courage in two hands, after having taken a couple of beers, of course, I'm going to cut the guy, I'd like to dance. There, there, there, look at his big eyes, what is that? What is that baby? I dance with it, and later I was talking about the Beatles,

Starting point is 00:31:05 I was talking about Easy Rider, my third shock in my life. My heart wants to fight me. The food fight. I fell in love with Lola. But we're not in the same place, you and them. She's 17. I'm 21. I was a guy in the army place as them. She was 17. I was 21. I was a boy in school.

Starting point is 00:31:27 It didn't work. So, the evening was over. I gave her or she gave me her phone number. In the meantime, there was no cell phone. We had the phone. I think she gave it to me. A couple of days later, I called her and said, she wouldn't even want to talk to me. She said no, she'd talk to me. I went home, I hid my crest underneath so her father and mother could see me. I hid the crest and everyone would see me. I met her father and mother. That was a blow to my face.

Starting point is 00:32:02 It really opened my eyes. I said, I can't go on. was a blow to the head. And then it really opened my eyes. I said to myself, I can't go on anymore. I'm in love with her. She was a good little girl. I would go to a party with her. Sometimes they would go with a guy from Bessick. You know, a little bit everywhere, across the province. Poor thing, she was scared.

Starting point is 00:32:17 She was scared. Often the guys from the gang would say, Louise, you have to check the beer. And if there's a guy who comes and doesn't have the same blood as us, come and see us. That's our beer. And she kept the beer. She was 17, never left school, she still had school. She was always drinking, and it wasn't all the same.

Starting point is 00:32:38 We went to other cities, other places where there were worse motorcycles than us. I saw she wasn't feeling well in there, and I wasn't doing well in there either. There you were in love, the girl with whom you were not talking. She never told me to let go or that I should never let go. Never, never did she tell me that. But I saw that she didn't have a future in there either. You liked the club, you liked the grass. I liked the gang.

Starting point is 00:33:04 But you didn't like her other job either. You liked the club, you liked the grass. I liked the gang. As I said at the beginning, I was a gang guy. I liked that. I was happy. I was fine. But I saw that it was declining. As I said earlier, yes, it was starting to sell. The guys were starting to sell, left to right. I remember, among other things, at that time, we received a club from Connecticut,

Starting point is 00:33:22 two clubs, the Huns and the Grateful Dead, qui arrivaient du connectique. Des gars de peut-être dans trentaine, tu sais. Ils arrivent au local, ils sortent leur sac, puis ils commencent à faire des lignes, je ne savais jamais vu ça. Je n'avais jamais vu ça, de la coke. Je didn't know what it was. The guys started filling their noses. Oh, hey, Johnny, try this. A couple of guys from the gang tried it. And then I started not to be afraid, but I was not comfortable at all. You were not comfortable with what was going on. No, no, no. You know, like I told you, I come from a good family.

Starting point is 00:34:00 It's not your universe. No, no, no, no. You had a movie, you were tripping, and you just realized that it was going a little far. universe. I was with my mother and my three sisters, I had four daughters at home. I liked that, they were all boys. But you were talking about guys from the army. Most motor club were founded by old guys from the army. The Hazenjord are guys from the Second War. When they came, it's like, Chris, our gang is crazy. We created our gang and these guys are no longer able to live in...

Starting point is 00:34:42 They can't get out of society after everything they've done and lived. No, you're right. That's how it is. Before it went any further, before it got over, and now I know that if it continues, what will happen? Whether I lose my job or not, that I'll take my blood in for real. You know, it's a feeling you have. I felt it, it was overflowing. It was overflowing from my universe.

Starting point is 00:35:05 I couldn't continue that. So I told Louise, listen, I'm letting go of this. She said what? I'm letting go of the guy. You can't do that. So we had a meeting, we had a meeting every week, the whole gang. I was president, he had a vice president, a road captain, a sergeant. A sergeant of arms. I was part of a club. He was in charge of discipline. So I put my patches back on. It was a tough blow. It was a tough blow to let go of all that. When you take off your patches and put them back on,

Starting point is 00:35:42 I found it tough to put tough from there, but that's the strongest word in the police. A leather jacket is comfortable, but a woman's skin is soft when you take it off. Exactly. I launched that. I'm still with Louise, it's going well, but I have to do something. As I told you, I work at the Canadian Tire. I make two good evening tickets a day.

Starting point is 00:36:04 I work at the warehouse,ire, I made two tickets for $20. I worked at the warehouse, I was in charge of the warehouse. I knew I wasn't going to make it. I said, in those years, people... We were all the same. We applied to Hydro-Québec, Belle-Canada, CNCP, Pompier, and Police. I applied everywhere, but Police is sixth or seventh. police, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, firemen, fire I understand perfectly, but yes. There are a lot of young people you ask them at school, what do you want to do later as a police firefighter? It would never have been my dream. So I apply a little everywhere.

Starting point is 00:36:52 For a 13-year-old process, it's Anne, you wouldn't have tried either, I'm sure. I don't know. So I apply a little everywhere. I apply to the police in Montreal, in GRC, and I'm not going appliquer à Laval, là. C'est ça. Un autre corps de police. Je suis pas sur la sortie du Québec, là. J'appliquais à deux, trois corps de police.

Starting point is 00:37:14 Puis écoute, c'est une surprise. La police de Montréal m'appelle, bien, ça se faisait par courrier dans le temps, pas courriel, courrier. I received a letter saying that I was invited to a test. First test, I think it was a medical test. I was in top shape. I worked at the Jonathan Tyre. Because at that time, it wasn't like today. You had to go to the Ségépe in police technique, and you had to go to in the police, in the police, and all that. It wasn't like that at the time. There was no police in the time. There was no police in the time.

Starting point is 00:37:49 Every city was involved in the police. And we, on the night of the 13th, I went to the police service in Montreal, on the night of the 13th. On the night of the 16th, it was the Olympics. So there was a big batch of police needed. So in my contingent, we were 190. The other contingent we were 190. The other container, 190. They hired 400 policemen in two years.

Starting point is 00:38:11 I applied to the Montreal Police. It was a first letter. I went to my doctor. It was tough. If you had a car, you went back home. If you had a button, you went back home. He said, you'll come back when you have no more car. He went back home, we did a car come back when you're done with the carry.

Starting point is 00:38:25 Then he went back home, we did the carry repair, I came back, OK, check. Psychometric test, OK, check. So physical test, as I told you, I was in top shape at the time, I did a lot of sport, I worked hard on the interiors, I charged the van, I was with the boxes all day, top shape. So I put it like a burn in the point, pull the pocket and all that. The tests we did, it was good. There's one step left,

Starting point is 00:38:52 it's the interview. It's when they check your profile, they want to know who you are. In search of... In any case, they want to know who you are. They will see the neighbors, they will see your boss where you work, they will see your parents and all that.

Starting point is 00:39:16 Then after that they call you, you will meet two sergeants-detectives in a small office and they ask you who you are. You are Johnny, who are you? So he asks questions, and then we get to the delicate subject. Do you have a vehicle? Yes.

Starting point is 00:39:34 Do you have a vehicle? I'll leave it at that. No, in the past I had my Vega 71. I had a Vega 71. So there was nothing else. No. There was no bike. Oh, yes, I had a CCM.

Starting point is 00:39:53 No, a gas bike. Oh, yes, yes, yes, but if you're here, I don't drive. What kind of bike do you have? Harley? Oh, yes, yes, Harley, you drive a Harley. In the past, you know, it's not that you're a herlie. Everybody was a herlie. In the past, when you were a herlie, you were either a gang guy or... So, okay, you're a herlie, but you're not in a gang.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Well, no, and it's true, I wasn't. You've never been in a gang either. Now I don't know what to say. If I was honest, I was never a gang. I don't know what to say. Do you think I'm a fran? Or not? I said yes, I've always been a gang. But not with the dicks in the back and everything. I said yes, I had the dicks in the back.

Starting point is 00:40:41 But now I see it. Now I see it all. Because the next question... When I asked you, you don't ride a motorcycle, he already knew everything in style. And when he asks me to stay in the back and all that, I know he knows everything. So you're not going to be angry. Yes, I'm the president. You're the president of the club. So we keep asking ourselves the same questions.

Starting point is 00:41:04 I come home, my mother is there in the morning, because I told you, my father unfortunately was not there. My mother said, how was your interview today? Oh, it was shit. It's shit. It's for sure they won't take me. It was a shame because I was well-classed in everything. She said why?

Starting point is 00:41:21 I said, I said it. I said what? I said, I had an old. I said what? I said, I'm an old motor, I'm a real gang, and... Why did you say that? I felt like he knew, and I didn't want to go through a cruiser, and I said everything.

Starting point is 00:41:36 So I'm sure, pff, it's over. Well, no, he sent me a note saying that I was chosen, I'm a member of my chain, I don't remember. But you know, as I told chosen, I fell right under my chair. I didn't remember. But as I told you, I often did in the cell, but I don't have a file. You didn't get convicted. No, in the past, it was observation sheets. I took your name.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Listen, I was told today, and you're not today, but I mean, it's a slap in the face, you getgot, you're not getting anything out of it, you're going to be a Christian, you're not complaining. You're not complaining, you're just annoying. So I went in, I told my mother, I mean, I received my letters, like I was accepted, I had to start the year after, in 1914,

Starting point is 00:42:21 because I finished all my interviews in February, February 13th. Then he sent me a letter saying that you have been accepted, you have arrived third or fourth in the group, and you will start your training in early 1974. I'm happy, I have one year left if it's going to be this soldier. Because they don't take me right away, I have one year left. I'm going to my wife, my blonde, my aunt. But do you still question yourself?

Starting point is 00:42:51 Yes. You know, it's strict, it's not a list, you're not far from the army. I'm going to come to that, yes. OK. It's sure, it's sure. There, you're a little like when the b-rolls came in, when the easy riders, there I'm in there. You know, there I'm in there, I passed. You know, you passed tests and there you're accepted. But I also know what's coming and I understand why you end up like you end up in the police, you know, because...

Starting point is 00:43:19 Of course. The parkour, the parkour was designated there. Maybe even one of the reasons why they chose you. Maybe. It's possible, Cedour, it was designated there. Maybe one of the reasons why they chose you. Maybe. That's possible, Cedric, that's possible. So, as I said, he sent me a letter saying I start on the 14th. So, I'm fine, I'm happy, he gave me a year to have fun, he gave me a year to get drunk. I get a phone call on Friday, because everything is on the road, I get a phone call on Friday saying, Mr. X, Vendredi, parce que tout était parcouru, je reçois un téléphone de vendredi disant,

Starting point is 00:43:45 «Monsieur X, on a besoin de gars pour commencer lundi. On a eu quatre ou cinq désistements. » Moi, je suis arrivé quatrième ou cinquième. Troisième ou cinquième, je suis arrivé de mon contingent dans toutes les tests. Fait que là, ils ont pris les premiers de l'autre contingent, puis ils nous ont avancé. I was in the same situation as my colleague. They took the first two test subjects and they took me to the next one. They decided to have fun for another year. They called me and asked me if I wanted to start on Monday. I said no, I wouldn't be able to do it.

Starting point is 00:44:18 I don't know, maybe next year, what could happen? He broke my leg. So he said, yes, I'm not a sergeant, I don't know that. In the meantime, I served as a lieutenant. I said, oh, perfect, I'm starting now. So I said that to everyone, to my mother, my blonde, and all that. I started Monday in the police. But now I still have long hair, I'm still all curly. I never dressed up in my life. I'm like, you see me, I'm not wearing my own clothes today.

Starting point is 00:44:45 I was listening to him in the audio just to reassure you, he's dressed up. He's Pantoxedo. I said to my mother, well, I started to tell her, you know, I have nothing. I've never put on a tie in my life. I'm 23 years old, I've never put on a tie in my life. You have jeans, t-shirts and a coat of arms. Exactly. Exactly. My boots, jeans, a coat of arms. It's my life.

Starting point is 00:45:09 And it's because of that. I'm a police officer now, but I'll talk about it later. Even in the police, it's my life. It's like that. So now I'm forced to borrow a coat of arms from my father, a tie. The first day, Monday, I had the tie. I don't know how to do that, a tie knot. So it's my mother who makes tie knot. The first day, on Monday, I had a tie knot. I don't know how to do that, a tie knot. So my mom made the knot. And then I had everything I could do. I was going to put it back up to the top.

Starting point is 00:45:32 And I didn't tie the button up. I felt like I was being held. I had the button untied. The tie went up. I got my hair cut. Short, for the first time in my life. Since I was a kid. Oh, yeah, for sure. I got my hair short for the first time in my life. Since I was a kid. I cut my hair short.

Starting point is 00:45:49 I still have pictures. You know, in the past, you would take pictures in a box of 25 cents. You see, I still have the jury. I just shaved. I don't come back. It's not me. It's a personality of a young person. It's important, you know, your profile. So, I go to the training school on Monday morning. I'm not in my element, I don't have to tell you. I'm not good. It's not my comfort zone, but not at all.

Starting point is 00:46:19 So, I get to the training school. Four or five of them came in after all the others. The others started a week ago. J'arrive à l'école d'entraînement, on est quatre ou cinq qui sont rentrés après toutes les autres. Les autres ont commencé depuis une semaine. Nous autres on est rentrés parce qu'il y a eu quatre décitements. Oui. Fait qu'on arrive à l'école d'entraînement, on est quatre, on rencontre un sergent, et nous regardons, toi, quatre, puis il nous explique un peu comment ça marche. Puis à la fin de la conversation, il dit, toi là, You, you're going to have to cut your hair.

Starting point is 00:46:46 He spoke to me. I said, I'm not a saint, sir. I'm going to be there on Friday. The day after tomorrow, everything will work. And when I tell you what to do, you do it. You're going to have to cut your hair. Okay. I had short hair.

Starting point is 00:47:03 I almost had really short hair. I was almost pink in the head. Almost. So I went to school in training the next day. My hair was cut short, short, short. And then I arrived in a universe that was completely unknown to me. We are 190 divided by 2. We are about 90 per group. One day and one evening.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Sitting at school, following classes, how to give labels, how, the criminal code, the road code. You know, like I said, I don't expect that. It happened so quickly. You know, there are a lot of guys, because there are no girls in the police at the time, all the guys were prepared. I received the first captain of the police in Quebec and a sticalure off. Oh yeah, that's for sure. It was tough for young girls in the time. So, I have all my colleagues. The guys around me, it doesn't go with my personality either. I was born at 23, I lived a lot behind them. I'm not smarter than them, on the contrary,, I lived a lot behind the scenes.

Starting point is 00:48:06 I'm not as intelligent as the others, but I lived a lot. I was in a club all my life, I was in a cell, I fought, I was in a gang. You're not the same as your mother. It's not the same at all. People fight, I find it so hard. After a week or two, I wanted to give up. I gave up without any problem. Louise, my partner, said to me, God, don't give up. It was long before they caught you. It was hard. Don't give up.

Starting point is 00:48:39 At least do a training bout and you'll see. If you don't want to, I'll be fine with that. At least get to be there. If you don't want to be there, I'll be happy to deal with it, but enough. At least get to the end. That's it. And I was used to getting to the end of my rifts. So I continued, I continued. And then I started to put that aside because there was a lot of training. We trained hard. I was 23 years old, I was in top shake comme je t'ai dit, on s'entraînait, on avait des cours d'autodéfense, beaucoup de gymnastique, beaucoup de loge de poids, la course à pied. Ça, j'aimais ça. Ça, c'est la partie que j'aimais. La partie que j'aimais pas, c'est la partie militaire. Gauche-droite, gauche-droite, t'es qui pisse big dog, and you put it in a cage, it's sure that it's not good, even if it's fed. Even if it's well fed, it's not good.

Starting point is 00:49:32 It's a bit like that. They put me in a cage, they fed me, they brought me inside, two dollars and fifteen cents. I got to the police, at training, about four times my salary, four or five times my salary, pension fund, etc. This is an anecdote, precisely, at the beginning of training, the people from which we have a case, we are the police, the police economy, the people from the economy case arrive at training, they meet us, we are all young policemen, l'entraînement qui nous rencontre. On est tous des jeunes policiers. Puis ils disent, écoute, vous avez une caisse, vous êtes policier à cette heure-là, on a une caisse, c'est à vous. On a des taux préférentiels. Si jamais vous voulez acheter nos taux,

Starting point is 00:50:14 si jamais vous achetez quoi que ce soit, vous venez nous voir, vous allez être accepté, vous allez avoir un bon taux. Ils viennent un jeudi, le mardi, le parking de la salle, le parking de la plaine d'entraînement. They come on Thursday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police.

Starting point is 00:50:52 Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go to the police. Becouse I had to go a radar on PIDEF because I was at the 30-30 Vio training. The collars didn't exist.

Starting point is 00:51:07 They existed, but the police in Montreal had our own training center. So, at the 30-30 Vio, just next to where you are, I don't know if you know where it is, it's just next to the Olympic Stadium, next to the Maurice Richaume arena. Then we got out of the parking lot, we took the P9, we went north, and from Sherbrooke, there was a stretch, a good stretch, and the guys put you in the carpet. It was going. They had to put a radar on the P9 because the guys were going too fast. The guys started to have tickets, even if we were policemen. You're not in the law. So the training continued.

Starting point is 00:51:48 I liked more or less that, but finally I got one or two rooms. You know, 90 guys, not much. It wasn't a mentality I liked, but if I want to go through it, I have to find something pleasant in there. So I got rooms. The cafeteria, the food was good, the training was fun, the classes, I didn't have that, but I had to go through it. Finally, I finished my training. It lasted about 10 months, the training was everywhere.

Starting point is 00:52:20 There, it's time to get dressed. Before that, you may have been a little too fast. They give you your uniform because the first five or six months you're wearing a tie. After that, they give you your uniform, your gun. Something, being a gun. Less, the bike, I have the right to have a gun. It's something, in the Barneuf era.

Starting point is 00:52:41 You know, a year ago, it wouldn't have been as bad as a gun. But now, we have one in. Now, I'm the one if you can hear me, but a year ago, I was not as good as a guy, but now I'm a good guy. I'm the one who wears it. So it's special, a little bit of a feeling. So he gives me all that. I get home, I still remember my mother crying. When she saw me, oh my God, you're beautiful, you're beautiful, you're beautiful.

Starting point is 00:52:59 I'll show you when I wasn't used to this... ... this habit. A beautiful way to say that it's been years since I've seen you. My father didn't have much. He was a good guy, he didn't drink, he didn't take drugs. He was in the army. He was a gentleman of his time. He was in prison.

Starting point is 00:53:22 He had a nice job. I liked to play baseball, football. It was like that in the past, but he raised me well. But he wasn't there. And he, the police, it wasn't his dream to have a guy in the police. My hand was rusty, but not my foot. He would have wanted you to be a smoker. Maybe. I would have smuggled other people.

Starting point is 00:53:40 And he just wanted to plug him in. And I just didn't want to plug it in. So, I left there in November 1973. There, they give me my first post of attachment. They send me to Pierrefont. Hop! I'm in the police of Montreal. I do my training there, and I'm in the police of Montreal. But the CUM begins as an urban community in Montreal.

Starting point is 00:54:05 But all the posts on the Montreal island are all connected with us, with the police in Montreal. It's all been fused. So they send me a location in Pierrefont. First, I didn't even know that this city existed, Pierrefont. I dress up in the evening, I'm at night work in Montvégas. In your Végas. I'm going to work in Montvégas. Excuse me. I'm going to work in Le Vroule.

Starting point is 00:54:30 In 9000, in 10,000. They give me the address. 14,150, Gouin-Ouest, Monsieur Ganko. I'm going to work in Gouin, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going to work, and I'm going on Guingouin, and I'm driving, and I'm driving, and I'm driving. Let's see, for me, they're wrong. For me, it must be the other side of the island. I'm driving, and I'm driving. Finally, I arrive in Pierrefonds, a quiet little area. The lights are almost off, you know.

Starting point is 00:54:57 And there's a policeman there, a sergeant. So I'm going to my car, and we're going there. I'm going to the police station, and I'm going to the police station. Quiet, the lights are almost off. And there's a policeman there, a sergeant. So, you have to be in my car, we'll be there. And in time, you don't go back. My parents-in-law have been with Haute-Parlour for a long time. And I keep them because I love human people. I say that at every beginning of podcasts.

Starting point is 00:55:19 And a life insurance is something super important so as not to leave people you love in need when you're not there anymore. But unfortunately, if you have medical records, if you're a little too old, if you have a criminal record, is life insurance easy to have? Not always. Compare my premium to that. They're not going to refuse. They're going to take your file, they're going to read it, they're going to talk to you like you're a human being. They're going to take you into consideration, they're going to listen to you like you are a human being. They will take you into consideration.

Starting point is 00:55:45 They will listen to you. They will find the company that will accept to give you a life insurance. They've been with me for a long time and I keep them because I have a lot of people who have been through it and who gave me positive feedback. Because it's humans who treat people not like customers, but like humans. Contact, compare my own. Hi, Thel. I'm muted here. I'm starting to sit down. First thing he says to me is, hey, it's beautiful, but I'm not in a good mood.

Starting point is 00:56:14 I'm just starting tomorrow morning. I said, OK, but he says, you're there, do you want to start? He says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no There's nothing going on. Because what I liked about the police, there's action in the police, especially the police in Montreal. There are mutants in the city. It doesn't let go. It's one after the other. In those years, if you do the same, you're a fan of style. It was fun because in the time, you didn't have to make a lot of reports. You could give a slap in the face to someone and

Starting point is 00:57:00 when you're late, you get a slap too. So I go there and there's nothing going on, it was quiet. Very, very quiet. The only time I liked was when I worked on the ambulance. Because at the time we were ambulance officers. And in each station there were patrol cars and ambulances. So when I worked on an ambulance, I was a police officer, but an ambulance officer. I liked that. I felt useful, I felt like I was helping people.

Starting point is 00:57:28 I was in natural accidents, heart attacks inside, etc. I did things that were important to me, and I saved lives, I think. I liked that, but I found it flat, like it can't be done. And I talked to the guys, it was all old police officers from the neighborhood. And the guys told me their story. It was a nice place to end it. Yes, that's right. You have to start.

Starting point is 00:57:59 But since it was the beginning of the CUM, they all sent us, all the young policemen, they all sent us to buy jobs. So I went there, I do this, I do my job. One day, still, a little anecdote, it's been maybe two or three months, I'm there, nothing's happening, they patrolled. And anyway, I worked with guys there who didn't know how to write, they didn't know how to read. They were driving, they knew everything they were doing, they were driving next to you, you were the one who was doing the report. So it gives you an idea, like, you know, one who was doing the report. So it gives you an idea that you were not in the same place. So, one day I fell too much because when you start in the police, you're a police officer.

Starting point is 00:58:31 Police officer means you work on the ambulance, on the radio, on the cell phone, on foot. You do everything. Your little bitch has everyone. It's normal. It's normal because you're a big shot. I fell too much that day. I was sent to the police station in St. Jean-Ferre, to do radar. I had done that all my life, radar. In the past, it was radars. They had a piton in their hands. And when the car arrived, the meter went up.

Starting point is 00:58:56 And there, 50, 60, 70, 80. And there, you weighed yourself and there, you measured the meter at 80 or 82. And you gave him his ticket at 82. I've never been a good guy who could give me contraventions. My meter often didn't work. So I'm on the boulevard in Saint-Jean. I'm doing radar, I'm all alone in my car, I'm too much. My sergeant gave me a radar course that lasted about 30 seconds.

Starting point is 00:59:24 The piton is there and you did that. That was my call. There was a call at the Pierrefont hotel. We had two or three hotels at the time. It was in the Vardouin. It was the hotel at the top of the corner. It was the hotel I was staying at a long time ago. You had a place to stay. Yes. So there's a call for a fight.

Starting point is 00:59:48 I'm not supposed to go there. I'm on the road, I'm alone in my car. But I always hear a fight. I'm sure it wakes me up. It's my blood. So I get there. I get there, I'm the first one, I'm not far. Because the hotel is on Gouin, not far from Saint-Jean.

Starting point is 01:00:07 I'm on Saint-Jean, not that far. I go there, I go to the parking lot. And indeed, there are two guys who tend to get close to his face quite hard. It's full of my car, you know how it is. Oh, oh, oh. I park my car, I get off, put my car képi, je suis la police, voilà, tu sais. C'est tout nouveau pour moi, là. Je n'ai pas encore ce feeling là, d'être une police, tu sais.

Starting point is 01:00:35 L'autorité, le... La police n'est pas plus forte, pas mieux qu'un autre, mais t'es supposé être respecté. Dans ces années-là, aujourd'hui, il n'y a plus de respect de police. Dans le temps, la police était respecté. J'arrive dans la station de mare. Moi, je pense qu'en disant au gars, hé, ça va faire, là, ça va arrêter. Ça arrête pas. Il continue dans cette approchée. Puis le gars qui était en train de m'enver une volée, mais là, tout qu'il a chance, il décrisse. Et le gars, qui a colissé une volée, il s to be a goalie? I said, It's going to happen.

Starting point is 01:01:08 The game is over. You think you're a songwriter who needs a gun? I'll beat you up with one of those. Oh yeah? It's been years since I last drank. I said, I ate it and gave it to you.

Starting point is 01:01:24 I went back to my car, opened the suitcase, removed the keypad, removed the cipher. Oh, he's a good guy. I like that. And then I went to see the guy, and he was talking nonsense. I ate it, and the first time, he gave it to me right in the nose.

Starting point is 01:01:41 You know when you come to see the other guy. Oh, my God. It's going to be a mess. There must be police officers coming. The call was given. I heard it. No police officers coming. We fight, we fight, we fight.

Starting point is 01:01:58 Finally, two officers arrive. They help me take the guy. They put him in their car. In a state of arrest. You could have been a cop. No, I didn't put him in. I didn't put him in because I couldn't do anything. No, I didn't put him in. I don't know if the guy had a complaint. I couldn't follow. A crime in the Republic Order.

Starting point is 01:02:21 Yeah, something like that. You know too much about the police terms I've never been to the police. The guys said to me, what are you doing here, Junior? You're not doing anything, you're on the other side. I wasn't far away, and I heard. There's my sergeant, he arrives there, he's a patrol sergeant, usually. The sergeant arrives, he marries, I have no more gum, no more keppi. I was a little bit pissed off.

Starting point is 01:02:42 Yeah, that's it. You're doing that? Well, the guy, he lets let me try and I left. I ate shit. I can imagine. It's not like he's going to the police. No, no, you don't do that. You eat a fly, you fall to the ground.

Starting point is 01:03:01 The guy picks up a teatel and goes into your suitcase, takes the gun. He was right. I didn't think about that. I was in a plane, I fell to the ground. The guy got a gun in his suitcase. He was right. I didn't think about that. I really didn't think about that. It was... It took you two months and a half to become a cop. You didn't learn much.

Starting point is 01:03:17 That's right. It was about... Of course, we had calls to accidentally injure things. Nothing serious. And then I also had a loss of taste after maybe a year or two. Then I started taking sick days, I stayed away, and it took me over an hour to get to work. I didn't like that. I didn't like it. You know, as I said, I've always been a gang guy, and gangs are very small.

Starting point is 01:03:43 It's not fun. It's not fun. It's not fun. There's no good spirit. I don't like that. So, I think about that too. I think about that, but I got back in two years. So, I sent my inspector, the head of the post, and I said, Listen, I want to go back to the city, I want to go back to Montreal, I want to be a policeman in Montreal, I don't want to be a policeman. They don't want to see me. Why? They say you have to go back to the sick day. Moi là, je veux me retourner en ville, je veux me retourner en Montréal, je veux être policier à Montréal, je veux pas être policier ça. Ils ont pas de muté.

Starting point is 01:04:06 Pourquoi? Ils se prennent trop de journée de maladie. Ben justement, je prends des journées de maladie. Parce que j'aime pas ça. Je veux m'en aller. Je prends pas de journées de maladie là, dans un an on verra. Il arrive en soirée 16, les Olympiques, on est toutes mutées là-bas, toutes les jeunes, on est toutes mutées là-bas. Il m'a envoyé à Maurice Richard, the boxing guy there. I met Michael Spinks, Leon Spinks, Roberto Duran, Theo Philo Stevenson from Cuba.

Starting point is 01:04:37 All the best boxers in the world were there. I was paid to be in the box. You had boxing matches in the States. I would hold a hand at Mick Jagger there in the box. I would hold the mic in my hand. I was at the VIP door. People would come in. When I saw the mic, I was like, what the hell?

Starting point is 01:04:54 I worked there for a month. I worked with young people. People my age. People who came from busy jobs. They would tell me that. I would talk to them. I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man, I was a young man and there's a new schedule coming out, a new time, we call it the four-three. He sends me to post 18 Saint-Dominique, then Jean-Talon Saint-Dominique. Just behind where I came from, I came to Mont-sur-Drolette, Jean-Talon-Pos-Mozart.

Starting point is 01:05:39 He sends me to post 18, in the time he became 43. And then I started to love the police. I was so excited. I was telling you earlier, I thought it was tough. And then I really started to love the police. Team spirit, fun, busy, good gang. We were going to have a beer after the job, partying. You found your brotherhood, your gang. Parties. fun, les gars pas le fun, tu sais, une gang c'est ça là. Fait que j'aimais ça, j'ai commencé à aimer ça.

Starting point is 01:06:26 La patrouille, j'ai travaillé sur le fourgon cellulaire, elle a cherché des détenus un petit peu partout, elle a des peines, elle a cherché des détenus, elle a les porté. À pied, j'ai fait ça longtemps à la place de Saint-Hubert. C'était une belle expérience, j'ai bien aimé ça, des voiles qualifiées, tu sais, c'était un poste où ça bougeait beaucoup, beaucoup, beaucoup d'arrestations.

Starting point is 01:06:44 Mais je parle pas des arrestations, des bonnes It was a place where a lot of arrests were taking place. But I'm not talking about the good arrests. Because I've always had a lot of respect for the people I arrested. It was important for me that these people felt that I wasn't above the others. If you committed a crime, I'm there to arrest you. That's it. I didn't hate you. I didn't despise you. I was a policeman. My job was to arrest people who committed crimes.

Starting point is 01:07:12 You committed a crime, I'm obliged to arrest you. So, I did that for about four years, there, at the 18th post. After that, I was lucky. There is a post that opened, an association for physical surveillance, called the FILATURE. So I got on the FILATURE in a good time with a good guy. I knew what it was like to do other things than police. I was in civilian clothes. I had to shave my hair again.

Starting point is 01:07:39 I had to dress the way I wanted. I didn't have to put on my tie. I was fine. I was fine in that job. And it was interesting. You follow guys who are going to do a qualified flight. You're going to do the qualified flight live. Because you had the investigation that made you do that. Yes, but the investigators bring us a file, a tele.

Starting point is 01:07:55 Listen, it's a guy who does qualified flights. What we want is that you follow him and we try to go get some clean elements to be able to stop him. In fact, the file was a proof that we were taking it to go to stop him. Like a surveillance camera in the background. on technique, puis tout ça. Fait que j'ai appris ça. J'ai trouvé ça intéressant. J'ai trouvé ça bien le fun même. En fin 84, début 85, il y a un poste qui s'ouvre comme agent d'infiltration. Je sais pas exactement ce que c'est la job. La seule chose que je peux dire, c'est que quand j'étais patrouilleur au poste 43, j'ai travaillé avec un gars qui arrivait de l'infiltration. Il avait eu des problèmes, des problèmes personnels. Ils l'ont conçue de voir du bureau puis l'ont envoyé patrouiller. J'ai trouvé ça écœurant, faire ça, mais c'est ce qu'ils ont fait. Puis ils me contestaient

Starting point is 01:08:54 quoi la job un peu. Ils me contaient comment ça fonctionnait, puis tout ça. J'ai trouvé ça intéressant. Fait que, au-dessus, j'ai eu la chance d'appliquer là-bas. Ils m'ont passé une entrevue, puis ils m'ont accepté. J'ai commencé à faire ça, l'infiltration, en fin 84, début 85. Là, je tombe réellement dans un endroit où je suis très à l'aise. Tu sais, j'ai été, même si j'étais pas un criminel, j'étais dans le milieu criminel tellement longtemps que je connais les gars. Puis je pense que j'étais un bon psychologue aussi.

Starting point is 01:09:24 J'ai une bonne écoute. Souvent, les gens disaient, criminal so long that I know a guy, and I think I'm a good psychologist too. I have good listening. Often people said, if you could be a good double, you have to shut up. It's not true. It's not true that you have to shut up. Yes, when it's time to answer. You have to listen, you have to look. You have to listen, you have to watch. Because sooner or later, everything you do, people forget that, everything you do as a double or as a policeman, you go to court afterwards, des gens oublient ça, tout ce que tu fais là comme double ou comme policier, tu vas à la cour après. C'est bien beau sur la rue là, mais tantôt tu vas à la cour, faut que tu témoignes là-dessus. Là, si tu témoignes tout croche là-dessus. T'sais, t'as des ciboles de beaux avocats, la défense des très bons. Ils vont te ramasser, ça sera pas long.

Starting point is 01:09:59 Fait comme j'ai tôt au-dit, parce que je revenais tantôt, j' later, I trained all the agents in the province, and when I gave my courses... Did you say, I trained all the agents in the province? Yes, yes, yes. For several years. We'll see how far we get, but... So that's it. So there, I started as an agent,

Starting point is 01:10:19 make purchases in the... At the beginning, they give you small files. The way it works, is that the investigators investigate achats au début, ils donnent des petits dossiers. La façon que ça fonctionne, c'est que les enquêteurs enquêtent sur des jobs de stupéfiants, de drogue. Ça veut dire qu'un voisin qui appelle parce que son voisin s'est rendu qu'à 50 clients par jour puis il est tanné, ça peut être un gars qui se toube parce que dans le milieu, je ne vais pas vous interdire, tout le monde se toube. Des snitches, des sources qu. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches.

Starting point is 01:10:46 Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches.

Starting point is 01:10:54 Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches.

Starting point is 01:11:02 Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. In Brunswick, it sells. The guy's name is Joe. He's here in the bar and he sells about 50 cans per day. I'd like him to stop. It's my bar. I'm tired of seeing him there. I've talked to him. He doesn't want to go. The investigator receives that. He investigates a little. He looks to see if the address is good, if it it's the right place, etc. And the investigator can't buy it. What it takes as proof is a purchase. Before you arrest the guy for a traffic, you have to find a traffic.

Starting point is 01:11:35 That's where the money comes from. So he gives you the file, you go and try it out there. If 99% of the guys who get the street, it's the same. All the guys I know who were picked up because they sold a double. So there, the jobs are double, we are four doubles to make the police in Montréal. Four double agents, no wonder. I didn't talk about it earlier, things that have changed. We are from the 80s too. There are four docks to make all the bars, private houses,

Starting point is 01:12:08 the shooting galleries, it's not their thing. So we have until now, we have files. Each dock, I don't know how many files in front of him, it's really a crazy job. So we start with our files. But you're tripping. Oh yeah, it's fun. You like that? Well listen, I'm paid.

Starting point is 01:12:26 They pay me for the drink, they pay me for the beer. They pay me everything to go there. You have to get the car, I go there and they pay me for the beer. You have to get help from what you want to get help from. You don't have to go to a police station. I'm getting back to the natural. I'm getting back to the way I was doing the weekend. So that's it, I'm in good shape.

Starting point is 01:12:44 The other two have a little bit of my style too. So, I'm in good shape with them. We have a good minding and all that. There's no competition. It's going well. It's for sure that it was total happiness. So, I do the jobs that the investigators ask me to do. The bras are fine. The bras, I don't have to buy a quarter of a gram there.

Starting point is 01:13:04 I know how it works. They'll go to the barmaid, the bar buy you a program there. I know how it works. He's going to Burmese, Burmese is in there, Joe is in there. So that's fine. Where I have some misery, it's private houses. Still there, a plane that comes in, at the address, the good woman is surprised to see so many people there. She calls the investigator, she says, listen, he sells the Ash, the hash, whatever.

Starting point is 01:13:25 So the investigator gives us that, we're going to get it. But there, the investigators and often the people in general don't understand that yes, he sells, but he doesn't sell to anyone. I get there, first of all, I was 35 when I arrived as a double, with a not so fun to watch.

Starting point is 01:13:43 I put myself in the place of the guy, and as I told you, listening, observation, I put myself in the place of the guy, and as I told you, listening, observing, I put myself in the place of the girl who sells at the address and who wants to come to me to buy a quarter or a bit of hash at 10 dollars. Not normal, 35 years old. With the look I have, it's not normal. Let's see, I should be able to find stock anywhere. Why did I pick it up?

Starting point is 01:14:05 So the first thing that I was asked was who sent it to me. I was like, I don't know you. So there, there's the time. I was saying that observation was important, but after that, there's the time. So you have to go into history. So I had trouble buying private houses. I said, I had trouble buying clubs. No problem. So quietly, I developed techniques, how to make good stories.

Starting point is 01:14:30 I don't know if I bought everywhere, it's not true. I've been to Rivière-et-Bas often. But I often bought too. It's not been a month since I've been there as a double. Now we have a big job coming out on the motors. I'm the oldest one who knows that. We give each other the file. The inquisitors meet, we... I don't go like that to go meet someone. We meet, we have a briefing, we look at the file,

Starting point is 01:14:56 we look at the target because we had a target in there. We meet, we have a briefing, we look at the file, we look at the target because we had a target in there. We meet, we have a brief, we look at the file, we look at the target, because we had a target in there. A group of famous motorists, pretty much everywhere. And this group... Is a group still active today? Yes, yes, very active. No problem. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:15:25 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:15:33 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:15:41 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I have to tell him, but there are several dangers in there. He can think that he will be the next one we will go after, and he can think that I am a guy from another group who wants to pass. And he can think that I am a police officer too. So I have two constraints. Usually I have one constraint, I have two constraints. Usually, I have one constraint, and I have two. I have to make it happen for someone who wants to buy, who has money,

Starting point is 01:16:07 and who doesn't have someone who wants to pass it. So I meet them. The first time, it happened in Rucherie, Montreal. It didn't go well. The guy didn't want to talk to me. And you know, when you're an active member of a group like that, it's not a group that can approach you. No, no, but listen, I have a million questions coming to mind because that's it, you can't just come in and say Hey, hi, how are you?

Starting point is 01:16:35 Yes, nice jacket, nice bike. No, no, it's just for that, you can go for a ride. How do you think it's going? It's for sure that someone is introducing me to someone. Well, that's it, but you're living in a neighborhood. You don't spend a month going to the neighborhood, just being seen in the neighborhood. In some cases, I would tell you that most of the time,

Starting point is 01:16:54 it's someone who introduces me to someone, someone who works for us. Yes, that's it, who will be a source or... A source that introduces me to someone, that I meet. When you go to a quantity, let's say I have an ounce, I bought a coke ounce, nobody will introduce me and go further than that.

Starting point is 01:17:15 But if we talk about kilos, if we talk about gross jobs, you can't do it with the target like that. Hey, do you want to order a kilo of coke? So good. You'll find the thumbs tied in the back, in the bottom of the can of steel. He won't even laugh at you. It's not the same, it works. Not big quantities. So the source presents me with someone.

Starting point is 01:17:36 I go to their place. I say what I want. I have stock. I have a small quantity. At the moment, we let it go. I had a small amount of coke. So you mean you let it go? There's no accusation at the moment. No, no, no, that's it, because the goal is to get you fired.

Starting point is 01:17:52 If you buy a coke ad with a guy and two days later, you get fired, no one will want to ask you for a new ad. I'd have to pay more. I'll take it back. So I had some of his money, I come back to the tube, even him. Often, guys, money talks bullshit walks. Money has no smell. The guy calls me and asks me how I put my stock. I say, super. Really, super. I say, I've passed. I haven't even spent a week with it.

Starting point is 01:18:19 Do you think I have a little more than that? Yeah, maybe. How would you like it? I'm not saying I'd like to have a little more than that. He said, maybe. I said, if you want. I'm not saying I'd like to have a kilo of coke. How much can I have? So he said, maybe we could start with... Finally, he gave me a 12-11. He said, maybe we could start with a 12-11. Perfect.

Starting point is 01:18:38 I said, if you do that, 28,000. It's a bit expensive, but I said, look what we're going to do. In what year? In 1980. I did that for 28,000. It's a bit expensive, but I said, listen, look what we're going to do. In what year? In 1985. In 1985. That's already expensive.

Starting point is 01:18:56 Yes, 28,000. And especially, as I said, because the job was done, we analyzed the stock, which was at 15%. The rest was scrap, the lino, the AN Anova, all scrap. They had sold me the little shit. Anova is not big enough to take care of me. Oh no, it's not you who learns. That's it. So, prepare that, we made an ounce, he told me that, we could make a dozen.

Starting point is 01:19:19 It's for sure that he took a cut and a cut. When you say he was cut, he took it. The guy who took me to that guy. Every time it goes between the meters, there's a kilo he goes from there, he's cut, he goes to him, he's cut, he goes to him, he's cut, he's cut, he's crisp in the street, there's not much left. Yeah, because listen, I bought, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:19:40 I may have bought 100, 150 kilos of coke in my life. And when you have a kilo of coke, it's at 90, 95% and it's all well wrapped and it's not pierced. If it's pierced, I don't take it. If I was going to do a coke job, a kilo, and the bag is pierced, I don't want it. I don't want it. It has to be well patched. So I get there, 12, 11 of coke, perfect. There, the target, the question I was talking about earlier, there it starts to get interesting a little bit. And there, well, naturally, when you get your money out,

Starting point is 01:20:13 not to buy right away, not right away, when you get your money out, you show that you have money, that's not a problem. So he wants me to have money, and then I say, listen, you're going to buy your 12 next time, if it goes well, I'll take, listen, I'll buy you your dose next time. If it goes well, I'll take a kilo. I'll take a kilo.

Starting point is 01:20:29 A thousand. So, OK, perfect. Now I have no news. Because these guys, they've investigated me, they've checked me. It's hard to do. We have teams, but they also have teams. Don't call that organized crime or anything. They are organized. It doesn't always work, but where is it?

Starting point is 01:20:54 I have a lot of respect for these people. I respect these people, even if I worked with them, it doesn't mean I don't have any doubts about them. I start to with him, we get on well, on that day, that hour, we meet at that place, you bring me the stock, I bring you the money, we do that, and if it works, the next time, I'll send you a thousand, at least 500 grams,

Starting point is 01:21:19 otherwise a thousand. So it's a day like that, my police service, there's the police service at home, and the Quebec City Police Service is in there because the target is someone big. It's someone who just arrived from Quad Grave in that team not long ago. It's possible that it's a big deal. It's possible that it's bad. So, there we have the SWAT at home So we have the SWAT from our country, we have the SWAT from the Quebec City Council, the investigators. So I'll maybe talk to you later. I know I'm well my mother.

Starting point is 01:21:53 I find it interesting. I never thought I'd have a conversation with a police officer for so long, first of all. I find that super interesting. It's very stressful. When you're in the police station, in a job, like I'm talking to you now... It's clear. You're like... it's like the singer on stage. Everyone is looking at you. But you're always in a mess, in a situation where there's one, and she hits you in the face, she steals you, she hits you in the head.

Starting point is 01:22:20 Yes, that too. Well, they think less, but what I mean is that if I say a crap during the job, or even in the meetings before when I met the guy, if I say a word or a sentence that he suspects me of being a dog, a pig, call it whatever you want, a heat, it won't be the job, that's for sure. If there's a suspicion, it doesn't happen. So it's long to get involved. And then, when you do that, when you prepare for the job, you're alone or you have two agents. Sometimes we're two, sometimes we're alone to meet the guy. I was alone in there at the beginning. So then we arrive at the day of the transaction. It's been maybe a month, two months I've been working on it.

Starting point is 01:23:00 And you're still a newbie in there. I'm in the middle of it, but I don't know the job. I don't know the job of an infiltration agent. So I go to the address that is specified. I meet the guy. He's there, once again, he talks to me. Do you have stocks? I ask him, do you have stocks? You have colors, I say, oh, I have them.

Starting point is 01:23:24 I say, my husband has them. Your husband comes said, yes. I said, well, it's my husband who has them. He said, well, it's your husband who has them. Because we never give money at the beginning. So my husband, he gives them money, he has the money, 22,000. We're going to do it very quickly. Him and the other guide who took me to him, we're going to give him the money.

Starting point is 01:23:38 If you say, if I'm being careful, if there's anything that doesn't work, you fall into the water. Out there, you have two teams of people, investigators, bosses. You're the one who's running the show. If you do that, it all falls apart. It makes you stressed. You know that there are maybe 40 or 50 police officers outside

Starting point is 01:23:59 who are just waiting to have the guts to say, OK, go! It's going in. So you're doubly nervous. You're scared because you say, it has to work, it has to work. I don't want that guy. When I say it has to work, it's not him.

Starting point is 01:24:14 Whether it's him or someone else. You, you're not going to plant yourself. No, that's it. It's not him, it's you. Yes. It's like I said, anyone who gives a show, then one day you flop, it's going to happen to anyone. You're sick after that. So there, that's like I said, nobody gives a show. And then you flip money, and it's going to happen to anyone.

Starting point is 01:24:27 You're in trouble after that. So that's it. So the job is done. We talk, we talk, we talk. Finally, we're in a kitchen that's about half of it. There are four of us in there. Me, the other double who put the money in, the target, and the guy who presented the target, there are four of us in there. I know the stock has arrived, the stock has just arrived. Now I stock it.

Starting point is 01:24:47 When the stock arrives, there's a way to give it a go. I can't say everything, but there's a way to give it a go so that the guys outside who listen know that I stock it. You know, we often see that in movies, you know, the barbecue is hot. But you have codes, that's it. I understand that you, as a teacher, I understand that you don't reveal things. Yes, I don't reveal things, but you know, at that time, with the shows and the films on TV, everyone knows the bugs, the microphones and all that.

Starting point is 01:25:19 Everyone knows that. Because if we had done the same interview a couple of years ago, I would never have talked about it. Okay. Because it was not known. But today, you look at Mr. Big, you look at, you know, everyone listens to the conversations, the filings, the technical support, everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. Someone who is criminal and wants to know how it works, listen to a police film and you know how it works. So I come back to my story, I give the go,

Starting point is 01:25:45 there, when you give the go, the stock is in there. I just gave the word pause. I know it. It's going to blow up. The door is going to blow up. This is my first job. Because on the small jobs, you don't have a roof, you don't have those investigators who come in after,

Starting point is 01:26:02 they send a petition. You're in a state of arrest. And you're not even there anymore. But you have a big target, a big impressive name. Everyone is hot, but even the bosses wanted to see me do it at the end of the job because they thought it was too risky. But I was there, I had to continue. There I have the stock, and there I wait. And there they test the stock with me.

Starting point is 01:26:24 When I say me, I don't test the stock, but he tests the stock while I'm there. At that moment, I don't know, he's just at 15-20%. I say he's handsome, the stock is handsome in gray. I wait and wait a little bit. That's it. It's good, it's good.

Starting point is 01:26:42 It's the night he comes in. Often, in many of the jobs I've done, when the night comes in, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a big dink, I'm a But the problem is that the guys from Swat who come in, they don't know me. Those from Montreal, maybe one or two of them know me. Oh, they don't know you, so they treat you. No, they know that there's a police in there. But they don't know which one. They don't know who it is, and I'm the same age as them. Oh, that's hot. So, they come in.

Starting point is 01:27:17 It's fucked up. And then, everyone's on the ground, I don't need to tell you, they don't take the white gloves. No, no, they keep their knees on their backs and... Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you're on the ground. And like I said, it's pretty much like that. We're four, we have to do this. They don't take the white gloves. They put their knees in the back and... And then they're on the ground. And as I told you, it's pretty much like that. There are four of us, we have to hide there. There's one on top of the other.

Starting point is 01:27:32 They put our hands up, it comes out of the house, the stock is seized, and after that, the investigation continues. It takes a certificate of analysis to say that it's the case that's in the bag. I have to testify in court of analysis to say that it's the case that's in the bag. I have to testify in court.

Starting point is 01:27:47 That's less comical. You're going to testify in court a month later, everyone saw you. Everyone knows that you're the police. It's the case or not, without a doubt. But they don't know who it is. But when you testify in court, they know it's you, the police. So you have to act with security. Our names are never out. Junior, well, listen, I know that.

Starting point is 01:28:09 Listen, I just told you, I've bought 150 kilos of coke in my life. I think we could spend four hours telling us about the hits you've made. But I have questions. Because, you know, hits, you could count them, count them, count them. This is the first one, it's crazy because you've lived it yourself. So, that was a big piece. Oh, sure. We made a deal earlier because you accidentally mentioned your family name. We called you Junior. You want to keep some of it because there are people who don't appreciate you in the world of crime organizing.

Starting point is 01:28:52 Even if I respect you with them. Exactly. There are guys I know who might not even appreciate this episode. That's what I see. Have you ever been scared for your life? episode. No, no, no, no. I never got anything. But yes, I was careful. But you come with that stress. You know, in the time, all the things I changed after that when I came back in charge of the infiltration, in the time, we entered through the same door as the investigators. Any seller, always at the door of the office of the cops, in the time, we were on the

Starting point is 01:29:40 street of Gosford, in front of the General Quarter, there was no one there, this place there, and he saw us coming in. It was a police officer, click, click. It was easy. I mean, jobs don't last a day. You can't be infiltrated for a long time on a job. You come home in the evening, or you have an apartment, you don't see your family for a month or two.

Starting point is 01:30:00 I have in mind Donny Brasco. Donny Brasco is really special. It has never been like that in my case. I saw it in the United States too. There is one who became like that, to have patch Hells Angels, I don't remember the name of the policeman. They made a false murder,

Starting point is 01:30:18 a fake infiltrator, to try to... They live there, they leave their family for months. No, not to that extent. I could do a job that could last three weeks, one month, two months, even more than that. But in the evening, when it's over, I go back to my car and go home. But when I went home, I never talked about the job at home because I didn't want to scare my wife.

Starting point is 01:30:45 She didn't even know you were a... Yes, she knew I was a police officer. But she knew you were doing that. She knew you were doing that. Exactly. I never talked about that. And I never said to my children, today, yes, I talked about it last time. That's why they asked me to come here because they didn't know.

Starting point is 01:31:04 But if I didn't talk about it But I didn't want to bother them with that. I didn't want them to be upset. I didn't want my wife to say, hey, Junior, be careful, go, don't say no. She didn't know. But Chris, when you start from whatever, you're in Zimbabwe, you spent your night in Ta-Neh, because you're trying to get information, you go to your place, I imagine you do one of the turns, you turn three times, you do the turn of the block. Yes, that's right, you play mirror. You play mirror, apart from time, you're going to play mirror, that's for sure. Without entering the details, I did the opposite.

Starting point is 01:31:36 I make a contact point with someone, we make a little path and we turn twice to the left, three times straight to make sure that if there is a car following me, it's just the guy who follows me, who doesn't follow me that if there's a car following me, it's just the guy following me. What if he doesn't follow me? There's no third person behind. So it's the same thing. It's a technique that we develop. You don't have a choice. You develop that. You check. Of course you check. But no, I'm telling you, I stayed in an apartment for a while.

Starting point is 01:32:01 On one job, I stayed in an apartment on Papineau Street, near Bélanger, I think. The address was 699-699, the next one. It's their name, right? I stayed there for about two months. It wasn't even for drugs, it was to go get people who were doing recel. So I stayed there, I bought stock, TV, stereo, and all that. Then we stopped the organization. So yes, it happened, but generally, when the evening is over,

Starting point is 01:32:32 usually we would have a beer afterwards, first of all, and when that was over, we went home. Then when we go home, we go safely. We pay attention and... But you know, Montreal isn't that big. If you get a full patch busted, you won't be hanging around in the neighborhood. You won't try to bust someone else in the neighborhood.

Starting point is 01:32:52 It's touching. Do you change your appearance that much? I've never changed my appearance. I've always kept my junior, all the guys. I've never spoken to ex-police officers, I'm telling you. Well, it's not for ex-police officers, it's for the guys on the streets, you know.

Starting point is 01:33:10 Now, it's a name that's circulating, that guy, you know. Now, before, I won't talk about it anymore, but you told me during a bout, you rolled over another name or whatever you had a license to drive. You had everything. You can say it, it was Michel Lafleur.

Starting point is 01:33:24 It was Michel Lafleur, I was OK. My you can say it, it was Michel Lafleur. It was Michel Lafleur, I was... My company, it was Michel Lafleur's company. And then I had... Driving license, everything, everything, everything from Michel Lafleur. Driving license, health insurance card, social insurance card. I was a taxi driver. Everything, everything, everything.

Starting point is 01:33:43 And why did I have all these names? Well, first to do the job, and secondly, but as I told you earlier, taxi. Tout, tout, tout, tout. Puis pourquoi j'avais tous ces noms-là? Bien, premièrement, pour faire la job. Puis deuxièmement, bien, comme je t'ai dit tantôt, après ça, je suis devenu en charge de la section infiltration à la division du crime organisé. Bien, moi, il fallait que je place mes gars, mes filles dans un local. Je ne pouvais pas arriver là puis dire aux propriétaires,

Starting point is 01:33:58 mettons, comme toi ici, t'es propriétaire de l'édifice, mettons, je ne peux pas arriver puis dire, «T'as vu, mon nom, c'est un tel. Je suis policier à Montréal. Je vais m'arrêter de louer ça. » Toi, là, tu come in and say, my name is Intel, I'm a police officer in Montreal, I'm going to rent this. You talk to three or four guys, and you talk to three or four guys, everyone will know there's police there.

Starting point is 01:34:12 So that's what I was doing. You rent a place, you find a business. I had my own company, Michel Lafleur, we were doing transportation. Then we went into the premises, and a little like you did here, we were transforming all that. We, the police, the double, we were transforming that. on rent and on local and a few commas effect see on transform a tusa news of the main

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Starting point is 01:34:42 crystal poly person faq we do the cat defausca entity avanza for the job and some of No, no, no. Personne savait que c'était la police. Personne. Fait que oui, j'ai eu des fausses cartes d'identité avant ça pour faire le job, mais ça m'a servi bien plus quand j'étais venu en charge de la section après ça pour justement ça. Acheter des meubles, mettons, là, mettons que je changeais tout l'immobilier des doubles.

Starting point is 01:34:57 Je pouvais pas dire envoyer la facture à Joe Blow de la police de Montréal, là. C'était avec mon faux nom, puis moi je payais avec un chèque à mon nom. I paid with a check in my name. The name of the police didn't exist anywhere. Anywhere. Anywhere. Did you do public transport? Did the business run a little bit? I refused calls. We're too booked, we can't... That's it.

Starting point is 01:35:17 Because I had my business cards, and I gave them to you. And let's say you're the owner, and I give you my business card, and I tell you what I do. Maybe your guy needs a transfer. I had my business cards, and I gave them to them. Let's say you're the owner, I give you my business card and tell you what I do. Maybe your husband needs a transport or something. Oh, call Michel. Michel will do that for you. The guy calls me and says, hey, Michel, hi, I'm Cédric's husband. Oh, Dustin, listen, I have two rooms in the garage,

Starting point is 01:35:41 I have three sick guys, I can couldn't drink, so I found excuses. It's hard to find a balance between reality and fiction. As a double, it's hard. I can tell you, Cédric, I have guys who were doubles in time. And today, because we're doing well, I came back there for that, to heal my double, to be sure that they don't get hurt, to be sure that they don't put them in the middle, so that one day we can separate. But not in time. In time, you're in there 24 hours a day, all the time, all the time. So I have a lot of men who have become, excuse me,, who became alcoholics, divorced, some who committed suicide. I'm telling you.

Starting point is 01:36:28 I was all there. Yes, some who committed suicide. I'm sure there are depressions, some people who are not. Yes, it's clear. It's clear because, listen, you do your jobs, after a month or two, when you do your jobs, but there you make some purchases, small purchases. I'm just going to give you a little anecdote, and when you do your jobs, you make small purchases. I'll just give you a little anecdote, and I'll show you what it is. In the time, there were 20-foot vendors in Saint-Denis Street.

Starting point is 01:36:52 Saint-Denis Street, between Sherbrooke and Ontario, there were 20-foot vendors. There was going to be a BESC, LSD, H Sherbrooke, I could do 15-20 purchases in one corner. It's nice, it's easy, almost everyone can do that. But me, a month later or three weeks later, I had to go to class. I had to recognize the guy. I had to say that there was such a mess, the mess of the PCP, it's him. The guy was that guy, that time, that day. The guy was that guy, that guy, that day. What we did was we put in policemen who knew all the sellers.

Starting point is 01:37:30 What we did was we put in policemen who knew all the sellers. He was in the top of a building, He was in the top of a building, and he was looking down at me. He was looking down at me. He was looking down at me. He was looking down at me. He was looking down at me. Bon lui s'appelle Johnny. T'as acheté à 20h et 32. Je sais pas que c'est que t'as acheté là, mais là je sortais. J'ai acheté un cabre d'acide. J'ai acheté un sac de mesque. J'ai acheté, bon.

Starting point is 01:37:56 Fait que tout ça pour te dire que t'es à court continuellement. T'es à court tous les matins. Parce que c'est beau la job de... T'es dans une rue, t Because it's beautiful, the job of the double. You're in the street, you're in court, you have a family. Yes. So you went to be in court with the bandits. Because that too, I changed that. Today, the doubles are no longer with the bad guys outside. There is a hidden place. But in the time we were in the hall, the bomb was lost. The target I had bought was there, he was là, lui était là, lui était là.

Starting point is 01:38:26 C'était tout autour de moi. Pas de protection. Là, t'allais témoigner. T't'émoignais toujours à l'enquête préliminaire, au 501 ou 502, à la salle, là. T'émoignais tout le temps parce que ça allait pas au procès. Parce que quand t'étais moyen, l'avocat, là, c'est sûr que l'avocat de la défense,

Starting point is 01:38:42 ben il se faisait un petit bill avec ça, il se faisait un témoigner, ça lui donna temps. Mais il t'envoyait pas au procès. The lawyer, the defense lawyer, he would make a small bill with that, make a testimony, and that would give him time. He didn't send you to trial. The guy is done. You have a police officer, you bought from him, you know, all the evidence. I'm a police officer, I bought from him,

Starting point is 01:38:55 certificate of analysis says it's actually drug. I have the time, I have the date, I identified it. So it's sure he's done. So as soon as the preliminary investigation is done, the trial is completely decoupable. So, that's why the preliminary investigation is done. Then, it's the culprit. So, you're in court for all the beatings. A little anecdote, I'm not going to... Go ahead, I'm eating it.

Starting point is 01:39:12 You have to stop. Once, a little hit, maybe, I don't know, a set, a 5 gram, let's say, 5 grams of coke, I bought it from a guy. Maybe a month, two months before. Because sometimes, it can take a while before you catch the guy. I bought it from a guy, maybe a month, two months before. Sometimes it can take a while before the guy gets it.

Starting point is 01:39:28 I bought it from him, but he moved away. One day he went back to get it, and we found it a month, two months later. So I went to class a month, two months later. I remember him. I remember, I have all my records, I remember that I bought a set from him. We went to class, and the morning we went to class, in the preliminary investigation, the lawyer was not crazy, he brought his... his coat.

Starting point is 01:39:52 If you don't identify the guy, the case is over. Even if you're sure it's him, you have to identify him positively. He brought his coat, we were dressed exactly the same, same hair style. I'm a witness and I look in the room and I'm like, oh my God. Who is it? Which of the two? So, yes, Mr. X, you're a police officer, yes, you bought, yes, okay, certificate of analysis and all that.

Starting point is 01:40:21 Could you identify my client? Yes, yes, he's there. Which one of the two? I ask the judge if I can move. I look at my notes, I had a chance in my notes, I had a birthmark, 7 or... What a beauty, whatever, you had a note. I look at my notes, I get up,

Starting point is 01:40:48 it's how it's done in the class, I get up, I open it, I look at the two guys, I see his beauty grain, it's him, Mr. Judge, him here, he sold me. The lawyer, I have no more questions, Mr. Judge.

Starting point is 01:41:04 It's funny because I watched something on TV recently, I sold myself. So the lawyer, I have no more questions, but what I want is... It's funny because I watched something on TV the other day, I saw something where there was a lawyer who used the same thing. It was like, I thought it was a Latino, but the real accused was in the room, and it was someone who looked like him, who was there. I was like, oh, it's him, I recognize him in English, because my client is there. Exactly, it's not identified. So now the lawyers are... And the defense lawyers are used to it earlier, I became a court witness. No, you didn't say it earlier. I'm a court witness in the matter of stupefying for purchases. If I'm not a specialist, I'm not the one who signs analysis certificates,

Starting point is 01:41:33 I'm not the one who analyzes drugs and all that. But in court, often you have evidence of electronic court, but I'm not a specialist. I'm not a specialist in the analysis certificates, it's not me who analyzes drugs and all that. But in court, often you have electronic listening tests in the cases. An electronic listening test is that you listen to the conversations, the judge listens to the conversations, and then it talks about drugs. It talks in code and all that, so you're... So then he called me, I went to court, as you're my expert,

Starting point is 01:42:04 I listened, I said to the judge, OK, he just spoke. The key he spoke to, it was the key, the key, the key is kilo, kilo equals, if he said 28, 28,000, not 287,000. So I became an expert witness in court thanks to that. So even if it wasn't my fault, I testified in court for other investigators in other cases. Did you get busted on a job? What do you mean?

Starting point is 01:42:31 Like, you're a cop, I know you're a cop. Yes, yes, I got there not many times. Well, not that I know, but yes, he says I know, but there are doubts that I can't buy. It's not that it happened often, but if you get to jobs, I don't buy it. It's not often, but if you get jobs, you don't get a neck injury. You really feel the heat. So it happened.

Starting point is 01:42:53 It's not often, but I'm not better than others. There are jobs that didn't work, the guys didn't trust me. Or the guys had seen me in court six months before, a little less description. I arrived there with another target, Colonel Target, who was caught six months ago. He gave me my description. I'm not doing too bad. Of course, if there's a little doubt, the guy doesn't do it.

Starting point is 01:43:14 No, that's it. No, he doesn't do it either. That's it. So yes, there are guys who have flopped, but there, hey, touch the wood. It was good. In general, but I'm glad it went well. In general, it went well. So that was it.

Starting point is 01:43:30 I'm not going to tell you any anecdotes until tomorrow morning. I have no idea. Just tell me one or two. Go ahead, tell me what you bought. We make... It's Peruvian. We know that Peru, Colombia, are countries with cocaine producers. Peruvians are in question.

Starting point is 01:43:49 There are contacts. It's not a criminal, but there's a pass. There's a pass. A pass for making kilos. So, again, as usual, I meet a guy, he introduces me to a guy, he introduces me to a guy, and I evaluate it. So he tells me, I'm going up there, I don't remember going to evaluate him. So he tells me, where are you from?

Starting point is 01:44:06 I don't remember in that file, I just came from the beach. I don't remember what I'm going to answer. OK. And how did you get here? Well, Johnny sent me here. And Johnny told me, you're probably going to have some stock. Oh, well, I don't know you. My status is that if you don't know me, you don't want to sell me, I don't give a shit.

Starting point is 01:44:22 I'm going elsewhere. We have a good stock everywhere. You don't want to sell me. I don't care about. I said, we have a bunch of people everywhere. You can't sell me, I'm not going anywhere. If it doesn't end in the end of your pockets, it will end in the end of someone else's pockets. So, look at your statistics, I don't want that. So, I go back, and the next day, he calls me, it's a pageant in the town, we don't have a cell phone.

Starting point is 01:44:38 His number, I call him. At the office, we had an hotline, so we could call, and you couldn't connect with the police, you know. So I called him, and he said, yeah, think about my business, if you're interested, come see me, we'll talk. I went home, I stayed on the second floor. So I went with him, and I'm going fast.

Starting point is 01:44:57 We went with him, we went with him, and finally after a week or two, it worked, I got bitten, four hours, I went home, I brought the money. 84,000, a kilo. That's a lot. That's a lot. Even when the job was done, when the guy was arrested,

Starting point is 01:45:14 I said to him, Hey, Pedro, you're doing this or that. You've never turned it on. 84,000. There was only the police who had that. At 84,000, in the meantime, the kilo was about 30,000. That's pretty much it, 30,000, there was only the police who had done that, at 84,000 in the time, the kilo was about 30,000. In the South, it was pretty good, 30,000. There, 84,000, it was not a piece of cake.

Starting point is 01:45:31 They said, oh yeah, but... And you know what? I didn't pay 80,000. 84,000, ah! It was 30,000, that kilo. 30,000, I've never seen that. It's really the exception to the rule. So anyway, we do the meetings and all that. It's the day of the job.

Starting point is 01:45:50 I go upstairs, I meet him and he asks, do you have the money? I say, yes, the money is down there. I would never get the money in the first place. That's what you told us earlier. Because it's too risky. I don't know with whom I'm going to do business. Pop, pop, and I don't have the money either.

Starting point is 01:46:03 You get to 85,000 or 30,000, that's for sure. So it's in that time that you always bring a double agent with you, another double agent, and he stays in the car with the money. And the boss, my boss, my old man, Alain, he knew me. Jodier, you don't put the money in, don't forget. I don't want you to put the money in. Well, no, boss, yes. Well, no. So he says, do you put the money in. Don't forget, I don't want you to put the money in. Well, no, boss. Well, no. So he said, did you have the money?

Starting point is 01:46:28 I said, yes, it's down there. I said, I'll have it. Without it, I don't get the money. I said, I told you it was down there, the money. Do you want to come and have it? No, no, no, no, no. I'm not going down. I'm going up.

Starting point is 01:46:38 I'm going down. I close my system to tell my job, close your system too, so that the boss doesn't hear us. You're going up with the money. system, pour dire à mon job, ferme ton système aussi pour que le boss nous entende. Tu vas monter en haut avec l'argent. Lui, c'est un jeune d'eau, il vient d'arriver. Il dit voir, mais le boss, il dit non, il dit écoute, je prends en charge de ça, là, tu montes en haut avec moi, puis on va emmener l'argent, on va y montrer. Lui, il marche à l'argent, c'est lui qui va faire ça, 84 000. Lui, l'argent, the one who's making the money. So we raise the money. We open our devices.

Starting point is 01:47:09 He's listening to us because he hasn't heard us since I told him to raise the money. He sees that the money is going up. The lieutenant is in question and the guys are so busy. The lieutenant is so busy. So we're in his kitchen. This guy. He says it's all about money. So we went there. So we're in his kitchen, this guy, he says he's a counter-terrorist, he says,

Starting point is 01:47:30 it's beautiful, and the guy is not a criminal, he's a guy who has the chance to make a 20-second interview. He has the chance to make a break. So he says, listen, he says, he's a French, he says, I have a chum, he says he's in the GRC, he says it badly, he says the the cops have all the microphones on them. I don't know what you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:47:53 When you say that, he said, you're a cop. Well, listen, I take the money and I take off. You'll sell me to someone else. I know he wants it. He wants it. So he goes, no, no, no, no, that's not it. Because I don't know you, and then you go to the police and all that. And then I tell you, I take the money, I go, or we'll do the job. You have two choices.

Starting point is 01:48:16 You're going to cut your foot, what are you going to do? He says, listen, do a deal. He says, get up. You're at the kitchen table, get up. He said, get up. I was at the kitchen table. He said, you're going to undress. Yeah, it's your microphone. I used to wear my microphone on my ankle. The wire on the thigh, in the back, my microphone here.

Starting point is 01:48:37 Because I wore it a long time ago. The habit of lifting the shirt. I used to wear it here at the beginning, but I used I got burned all the time because the bottom burns the skin. Okay. It's often in the blood, the batteries that are in there, it burned. So I always put it on my ankles, in my pants, and I always had boots in the time. So the thread suicides you when you're a boxer, it goes in and your microphone is here. So there, I get up, there I'm with a double, he's on his first job.

Starting point is 01:49:04 He didn't even bother to participate in anything, everything he double, he's on his first job. He wasn't even supposed to participate in anything. Everything he did, he kept the money in the car. It was his first job. So he gets up, he's with me, he's sitting a little behind me. Target is there. I'm at the kitchen table, I get up, I take off my shirt, I take off my T-shirt, and nothing turns. My micro is there.

Starting point is 01:49:26 So I start to untie my jeans. I just took off my jeans, but if I take off my jeans, my son-in-law is there. So I look at him. I tell him what I'm doing. He says, we're going to do business with you. I don't know if you're a cop, I don't know if you're a cop or a cop, get up, undress, and wait for me in my jeans. I started undressing.

Starting point is 01:49:50 Get up, take off your shirt, I don't remember what he was wearing. And even if you're in your jeans, we'll take our jeans off at the same time. So he gets up, starts taking off his shirt, I had Marial, we looked each other in the eyes. Oh, that's right. That's right.

Starting point is 01:50:09 I put my shirt back on. The other double was at his first job. Who was in his pants? When we finished the job, he said to me, What would you have done, Junior? I don't know. I don't know. I went step by step. I don't know. You would have been out, Steve. I went in there. I don't know what to do. I don't know what I don't know. I went step by step. I don't know. But it would have come out, right? I got there, I don't know what to do. I don't know what I would have done. I said I took a chance and it worked.

Starting point is 01:50:31 But it was going down. It was going down. So finally, the Swat has gone up. The job is done. Hey, but Junior, your daughter, you came with your daughter. Your daughter is there. She said what earlier and right now I'm in the same situation with her. Ta fille, ta fille, elle là, là, elle a dit de quoi tantôt, pis elle se dit, je vais, je suis en accord avec elle, faut écrire un livre sur les bas, sur ces affaires-là, sur ces histoires-là. Écoute, comme je te dis, là, ça m'a pris, regarde, ça fait 20 ans que je suis retraité, là.

Starting point is 01:50:54 J'aurais pas venu de voir les premières années, j'ai vu. Je comprends ça. Je comprends, je comprends. Mais là, premièrement, ma femme est partie, Louise a décédé il y a 5 ans. Désolé d'entendre ça. Là, je suis ago. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm all alone in my place over there. And then I would have been a little scared of my wife coming from somewhere, or that someone would recognize me.

Starting point is 01:51:16 But now, it doesn't bother me anymore. It won't do me any good. So yes, there are people who approached me for a book. I didn't want to. And then when my little son saw your program and told me that, I listened to you and I found it so... I'm not kidding, I found you nice, I found you fun. And I said to myself, with you, I think I'll be comfortable telling my story,

Starting point is 01:51:38 but I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone. No, but it's because, listen, I think we could do 8 episodes. You know, you understand, that's what I'm telling you. I'm not in half. No, no, I don we could make eight episodes. Oh yeah, that's true. You know, if you understand what I'm saying, it's after. I'm not even half-way there. No, no, I don't even doubt it. But listen, you just said something. The evening you went in, a little hot, in a party, and there was this beautiful girl of 17 years old with her dress, and the biker, she was dancing with store, it's there, dance with it.

Starting point is 01:52:05 So he left us five years ago, but she was there, she was the woman of your life. It was... Yes. It was... 47 years. 47 years to endure. At the end, it went well, at retirement, as I said, I had my hair up, I had to raise horses, I had to raise Vietnamese pigs, I had to raise lambs, I had to raise goats, I had to raise chickens.

Starting point is 01:52:31 It was easy, the life was easy. I was going to meet another story, but I didn't have time with the Vietnamese pigs, which came to me at the end. But you know, the life was easy, but there was a time when it wasn't easy. I got home, I was drunk, I was all drunk, I tried not to talk about it. I was tired, burned. In addition to that, often I coached my kids to baseball or hockey. I was still in the mood when I went to see, when I went to... Alcohol was part of your life? Yes, yes, yes, alcohol.

Starting point is 01:53:04 And I stopped completely, I stopped smoking. Oh, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, oui, I started drinking again, I started smoking again. I had a stomach ache. So I went back down, I went back down. And finally I saw my daughter, my boy, my little girl. It went up a little. But it was another difficult period. It's going well now? Yes, yes, yes. It's going well. I'm eating my gum, as you can see.

Starting point is 01:53:42 Oh, there's nicotine gum that's falling in that mouth. Drinking never tired me out. I'm not an alcoholic. I don't have that in my blood. I never drank. I never drank and I got drunk often. But I'm not an alcoholic. I can stop. With a job like that, it was a bit of a scapegoat. Yes, yes. The slap.

Starting point is 01:53:59 Yes, because we didn't have... That was another thing I did. You weren't a psychologist. No, no, no. We didn't even have supervision. I left for a job. No one knew where I was. No one knew where I was. No one knew when I was coming back. I'm not talking about big jobs. I was talking about big jobs earlier.

Starting point is 01:54:16 When I left that evening... You know, I could leave that evening. I had about ten bars to do, private houses, meet Joe Blow in the corner of the street, do, as I said, Saint Denis Street, the Chabot Park in the Forum phase, where there was also a seller almost everywhere, the Mountain Sight Street in Côte-des-Neiges. I don't know if you know the Mountain Sight Street in Côte-des-Neiges. No, I'm not from Côte-des-Neiges.

Starting point is 01:54:41 That's a Jamaican street. I told you about Peruvian earlier. I have nothing against, not to mention nationality, where I'm really not racist, but the Americans who are there sell some good quality pot, so there was a seller. It wasn't hard to buy there. The door was open. The door was open. You got there, you put your 10 cents in, it was a 10 for a dime bank, you put your 10 cents in. They didn't even give it to you. You took it and you left. So it's sure that jobs like that aren't sure. It's like a store in Rayon. Yes, that's it. It was hard. And it's not the biggest jobs that I found hard.

Starting point is 01:55:23 It's the shooting gallery. I often bought heroines, smack. And I found that painful because they were young people in a Shooting Gallery. I had the trouble of buying there because, as you can see, I have a good body. And we know that heroines, junkies, 200-lb junkies are not big. They're not big, indeed. They're skinny, they're sick, they don't have the right skin. junkies. So I finished. That's why heroin is so expensive. Yes, that's for sure. And these people, I can tell you that these people, it won't bother me to stop them. I've got them in five.

Starting point is 01:56:12 They killed some of them. They killed some of the children. Today it's fentanyl, in the past it was heroin. They still make raveges. Yes, they will still make raveges. Heroin is the worst, apart from nicotine, it's the hardest drug to stop. I used to go to the show at the gallery and often I got there, there was no stock.

Starting point is 01:56:32 I was always waiting. And then, well, it was a 2.5, 3.5 house. You wanted to save at the same time. Human locusts, human locusts. Young ones. 19, 18, sometimes even older than that. And you know, there was no naloxone in the time. You know, you put it in your nose when someone does a number of doses. It didn't exist in the time.

Starting point is 01:56:53 Now I'm forced to stay there. Because you know, I'm a policeman. I had a double agenda, buy drugs and be a cop. I have my number of policemen. I was always proud to be a policeman. I swear, I loved the police. You know, always proud to be a policeman. I swear, I loved the police force. I told you at the beginning, I had fun. But after my career, well, not after my career,

Starting point is 01:57:11 because I felt that I could do something, I could make a change. So when I went to a shooting gallery and I saw all these young people dying, vomiting, white like green drapes, shaked, tracks, tracks from there to there, little girls who were abused, half naked, sometimes I had to intervene. I didn't say I was a cop, but a guy who was boarding on a little girl

Starting point is 01:57:37 who was 17, who was frozen like a beast, who wasn't even there, and the guy who was boarding on it, it's for sure, hey, my style, I couldn't have said that, But I couldn't say I was a cop either. I want to arrest him. I want him to stop selling the stuff. It's not a friend's seller. It's not a seller of hash. And at the same time, I'm asking you that. And on the other side, he's...

Starting point is 01:57:49 There are others. He's getting busted. Tomorrow morning, there's another one in his place. I've thought about that a lot, Cedric. I said to myself, is that a reason for me to stop working? No, no, no. I had to continue. I had to continue.

Starting point is 01:57:57 And I said to myself, I'm not going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. to myself, was it a reason for me to stop working?

Starting point is 01:58:05 No, no, no, 100%. I had to keep going. And it's for sure that even he, the seller, sometimes it was bad food, but sometimes it was guys who had... Most of the time it was junkies. They sold to be able to buy and break their foot. So it's for sure that what we want when we make places like that, it's helpers.

Starting point is 01:58:24 I don't care what the prison guy same places, it's to help them. I don't care what the guy does in prison, I just want to help them or the people who have heroin, you really think that I want to send them to prison, I don't want to send them to prison, I want them to get out, I want to help them. And often, you already said it, when you get arrested by the police,

Starting point is 01:58:41 often, if you have a step in your life, you say, well, maybe it's better to change. I'm not getting on the right track. And it took me that. Often people told me, you know, when you arrested me, Junior, I understood a lot of things and I stopped. Not all, there are some who continued, but there are a lot who stopped there. So I feel like I did something, but it's true what you say,

Starting point is 01:59:02 I'm going to arrest him, he's the one who goes to the side, that's for sure. As I said earlier, money talks, bullshit walks, money is there. You're a guy who needed... you had the gang basically because you're a guy from the gang, you had the police and I know that the police, the police fraternity, it's a team, it's a chum, it's... you know, and I know that you may not peut-être pas acquiescer ce que je veux dire, mais tu sais, je sais que si un policier se fait brasser, il y a bonne chance que le gars qui l'a brasser se fasse brasser aussi. C'est sûr, c'est peut-être une bête, ça fait 20 ans que je suis parti, mais je peux te dire que c'est ta bête, mais je ne me cache pas. C'est sûr. Tu n'as pas aidé le respect que je te porte Junior pour vrai là. C'est sûr, si là, je fais mal à mon compère là. I'm not saying I'm a callist, you didn't help the respect I have for you, Junior, for real. You didn't have the little mask, the little machine, the little cassette that I have.

Starting point is 01:59:50 What I'm saying is that, if you had planted one of my trees, where would you have had the tree, I would have picked one up. Maybe we could have a detour in the street before we got to the tree. Maybe I wouldn't have stopped, but you would have eaten it. I remember, that was another step, I don't want to go far. When I was a patrolman in post-43, I told you earlier that I was coming there in a change of time. We started the time 4-3. I work with my partner, I can call him René Vallée. I work with him. We are two police officers who just arrived in 1943.

Starting point is 02:00:25 They are training new hours, so they are splitting us. We are not together because, as I said, I never had a radio car. I've always been a police officer. We often work together. Thank you. We often work together, almost all the time together. Two young people on the same car, and we had fun. We laughed and we hang went to the police.

Starting point is 02:00:48 We worked together. They separated us to form new teams, and since we were two young people, there was one young person on one team and one on the other to balance the teams. So I worked with them, I don't know how long, Not long after, I was at home, I opened the television and I heard a thud, the police were shot, etc. It was a shaggy flight. So I continued, I'm a police officer from Montreal, I continued to watch that. It was my partner, he was saw that, it was my partner. He was being shot, he was being killed. Then they wanted to arrest the two guys, the Renault brothers,

Starting point is 02:01:31 I can name two, two young men. One was killed by the American police and the other was in the United States. They shot three policemen, they seriously injured two people and killed my partner. So when I listened to TV and watched that, I was with them. A few days before, we worked together, he was my partner. And now, what it does sometimes, life takes us to that, it separates us, it gets killed, and I keep going. La vie nous emmène à ça, ils nous séparent, ils se faturaient, moi je continue. C'est parce que tantôt tu parlais quand quelqu'un a fait de quoi,

Starting point is 02:02:10 mais je peux te dire qu'après ça, ça a sûrement changé mon minding. Je devenais un petit peu plus agressif après ça. Parce que l'esprit de gang, c'est important. Moi j'ai toujours dit. Surtout de où tu viens, tu pars aux hébanks. Toujours. Même quand j'ai pris ma retraite chez nous, moi je suis sur une ferme, là, à tous les ans, je faisais un party, on était à peu près au-dessus de 100. Barbecue, sanglier, puis...

Starting point is 02:02:36 Bien, tu vois, quand je t'ai parlé de ça, c'est là que je m'en allais. Tu as été dans un club de bike pour la gang, policier, la fraternité, çanity, it's a serious matter, retired. Ha! I was in the same place. That's it. How did you find... Ah, that's it. You fall. Especially, the last year I worked, I was promoted by the service.

Starting point is 02:03:02 I was in charge of infiltration agents, I had a local and all that. And then one day, well, there was someone we didn't take to come to the office because that's where we went in, the infiltration agent, unlike before. Unlike you, it's like, he doesn't come, he says, well, yes, come on, it's... So there was a girl who wanted to come to the office, and I didn't want her to come for personal reasons. And she's pretty full. She was going upstairs. And upstairs we had a boss, because I knew all the bosses, and they were all good guys, except him.

Starting point is 02:03:34 And this boss, he took that. And it's been a long time since he had a tooth on me, and I have a tooth on him, and we fight often. And you know, I'm a marginal in the police, and he didn't like that. He called the police uniform. I was proud to be a policeman, but I was marginal. You were proud to be a policeman, but you were happy not to wear a uniform.

Starting point is 02:03:57 No, I wore it... No, but in the sense that you were... No, I was proud to be a policeman. You were 91 in your uniform, but... Yes, that's right. He was still there. No, I was always proud to be a policeman. All the time, I tell you, not in the first years, but after that. But...

Starting point is 02:04:14 So, he... As soon as he got the chance, he screwed me. I finished my career. I never had... I had two medals from the Governor General. I had the medals from the police, which I did. I did things that... not few, not many guys did.

Starting point is 02:04:32 I got into dangerous situations, which was very, very special. There are big names who have been arrested thanks to you. Yes, yes. Big arrests, arrests. It's especially that I did difficult jobs. I put my health at stake often. Yes, that's what it's like. That's not it. You have to come back. And all you're saying is all the things I did when I came back to the training section as lieutenant, when we changed the division. I didn't want to change anything.

Starting point is 02:05:15 First, we were four in the back, but in the end we were 15. Then I arranged for... You didn't even come a lot. No, no, not a lot. Some we could be without. Yes, that's true. There are so many drugs on the streets, that's for sure. How did you end up in your cell? You left elsewhere. That's it. So, finally, it turned out to be negative,

Starting point is 02:05:35 because at the beginning, the complaint was for harassment or intimidation, or something like that, because we hadn't taken that person, and she didn't like that. Quite full. Another boss would have investigated this in a normal way, but he didn't like me. He didn't like me at all. So wherever he got the chance, he planted me. So in the end, they investigated this and it didn't work.

Starting point is 02:05:59 But since there was an investigation, they gave me 15 days of suspension to consume some alcohol. Vu qu'il y a eu une enquête, ils m'ont donné 15 jours de suspension pour avoir consommé de la boisson. J'étais au bureau des doubles. On consommait de la boisson à tous les jours. On allait dans les bars et tout ça. Ils m'ont donné 5 jours pour avoir consommé de la boisson. 5 jours pour avoir laissé mes gars et mes filles consommer de la boisson au moment où c'est des agents en double. Ils sont dans les bars, ils sont, in clubs, they were drinking. And they were going to give me five days for that. And five days to have left...

Starting point is 02:06:33 It was allowed to my double-tapped to take a service vehicle for initiation. Because yes, it's true that we had initiations. When we got to the office, we were blindfolded, and you couldn't know where it was. And there was no initiation. No, no, no. So I left the service, well-dressed, because I had a great career. I left 15 days of suspension.

Starting point is 02:06:56 Ah, you... I left right after. I said, fuck it, I'm leaving. It was over. I said, you do that? So you were suspended for the last 15 days as a policeman? I didn to do that. It was over. I said, you're not going to do that. So, the last 15 days as a cop, you were suspended? I didn't do it. No, but you were in prison. The end of my career was that.

Starting point is 02:07:13 15 days of suspension. It left a bitter taste in your mind. Oh, we were in jail after everything I gave. And then, of course, all my friends, they were made commanders, inspectors, inspectors-chefs, the ranks, I'm not going to do it in the future, you know. The guys were disappointed with what had happened to me, but the guy, the headquarters that did this to me,

Starting point is 02:07:34 he's not there anymore today, naturally, and he had a well-known name, he was someone well-known, so the guys were all scared and did nothing. Sometimes I called a hotel, a room, and they said, you're letting them do that? You know well that we're taking the drink at the office. You know well that, because at the office, we had a place at the end.

Starting point is 02:07:56 Because when I was a double, I had a living room where people, when they finished their job, they could come to the office, take a little quiet drink. Decompress. Yes, because before we would come to the office, take a little beer, relax. Decompress. Yes, because before we were going to compress at the corner bar. Before we were going to decompress at the brewery. There was no supervision and no one. I knew that if my double had done a big job, or a lot of big jobs,

Starting point is 02:08:16 and was tired, go to the living room, go take a beer, I could check. And there's no one who's going to get their drink. That's why I put that in place. So he gave me suspension orders to let my who gets a drink. That's why I put that in place. He gave me suspension orders to let my guys drink. It's like a law that's not written in the back. Yes, but all the police service knew there was a place for us to drink. All the service knew.

Starting point is 02:08:39 So, I'm sure I'm a bit drunk, but I don't blame them. That's it. I was angry for a while. It went by. Today, I'm just looking at the good things that happened. I completely forgot about it. Behind the question, I'm a little more than two people. I know, I know. We could have stayed.

Starting point is 02:09:04 I know my daughters are coming from school. In fact, in a half hour, I'll have my summer tires on my car. I'll have to put them on with my shoes on. But... You talked about your father not being present, because you're a gentleman of his generation, a good driver. You don't get that one. No, no, Chris, I love that. I plug it in here.

Starting point is 02:09:24 You, this job, did you job where you were a little bit on the edge? No, I don't think so. My daughter is there to tell you, but I think I've been pretty good. She gave me a thumbs up. I think I've been pretty good for the others. Despite all that? I've had periods, I said earlier, I was tired and all that. But as soon as I had the chance, I was back. And yes, I was listening to my children.

Starting point is 02:09:50 I still teach my grandchildren today. Yes, I was there for them. And my father, it's not because he wasn't hungry. He worked too much. I understand, but from what I understand, you looked like you were working at a restaurant. His generation and mine were different. They were very different.

Starting point is 02:10:07 When my father was at home, we had a workshop in the basement. He also did a lot of work for them. He worked for two jobs. When he got home, he worked in the basement. He was still doing the job. So, of course, he didn't try to get me to play baseball or football. Of course, he was tired. Saturday and Sunday.

Starting point is 02:10:25 But at the end of his life, my father died when he was 81 years old. We talked a lot in the last few years. I had a cottage in the north. He came fishing with me. In the cottage, a couple of beers, we talked about business. We caught up with the time we had lost.

Starting point is 02:10:43 I loved my father. But when I was young, I couldn't. Junior, first policeman to come to the parlor, it took about a hundred episodes before it happened. And you have no idea how happy I am that it happened with you. I don't know if there are others who will come, but listen, the parkour and all that, but the real, no tape, no mask, the realityour and all that, but the real podcast, the real reality, the real

Starting point is 02:11:06 conversation, it's a meeting that I will never forget and write a little book about. That's great. Thank you very much. Well, thank you. Sincerely, Tripin, I hope you enjoyed listening to this podcast. You are probably like me right now, like,, why are you stopping? We want other stories. Listen, maybe part two one day. Who knows? I hope you liked it. See you at the studio. Music

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Au Parloir - Épisode #96 - Junior

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