Aunty Donna Podcast - Martin Scorsese & Christopher Nolan & Alexei Toliopoulos

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

In a major triumph for the Aunty Donna Podcast we welcome Martin Scorsese, Christopher Nolan and their mutual friend Alexei Toliopoulos into the studio.  LINKS  Listen to Alexei’s new podcast ‘The Last Video Store’ https://podfollow.com/999728026   Listen to Alexei & Cameron James’ podcasts ‘Finding Drago’ and ‘Finding Desperado’ https://podfollow.com/finding-drago   Watch the Grouse House series ‘Finding Yeezus’ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqS09O_7fr088ryTj4XjHJOVQfqaqSfji   Follow @theauntydonnagallery on Instagram https://bit.ly/auntydonna-ig   Become a Patreon supporter at http://auntydonnaclub.com/    CREDITS   Hosts: Broden Kelly, Zachary Ruane, & Mark Bonanno   Guest: Alexei Toliopoulos Producer: Lindsey Green Digital Producers: Nick Barrett, Jim Cruse & Tanya Zerek Audio Imager: Mitch Calladine  Supervising Producer: Elise Cooper   Managing Producer: Sam Cavanagh   Join The Aunty Donna Club: https://www.patreon.com/auntydonnaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Do you believe they put a man on the moon? A man Enjoy the episode. One, two, three, four. Do you believe they put a man on the moon? A man on the moon. Do you believe they put a man on the moon? A man on the moon. And welcome to Inside Hollywood on Hollywood, a movie show. We're here. We're talking about Hollywood with experts in the Hollywood field. This is huge for us.

Who's, I would say, Weird L is the only other guest who's probably as big as this. But with L was only one person, this is two. But Kushner, Krishna? Yeah we didn't get him. No but they. You. You. Were Burt.

And so in a way over 100,000 people were Burt. And that way that was bigger. Thanks a lot, Mark. You've ruined the hype. It was better to have 100,000 burnt crashes than it was to have these two. But more people have seen, you know, good fellas than have listened to our podcast. More people have seen memento than have listened to our podcast. And it's a good way to segue because we have today

Returning for their second visit to the anti-donor podcast last time you were away. I refuse to be here You were away by Michael Gow and yes, I was you Missed out on it was awkward because that day we were joined by one of the great film directors of movies. Of films. Yeah, like I can't think of a movie director that's done films as good as this one. Absolutely. You would know them from Killers of the Flower Moon. You would know them from their work as the director of the last movie stars

where he was an executive producer. You would know him from... Gangs of New York. You would know them... Gangs of New... Acknow. Gangs of New York. You would know them. Gangs of new acknowledge Gangs of New York is one of their films, please. Why? Because they win the gangs win. He's right. The gangs do win if we acknowledge it.

You would know them. Taxi driver. When no Uber's fine. No, that's no. What do you know any of? You would know them as the director of the Irishman the Netflix classic which D age some of Australia Australia's favorite actors Including Robert De Niro and one and one and one episode of the hit series vinyl from 2016

Yes, please welcome Marty do mine if we call you Marty. Oh, please bro. Don't call me Marty. Do you mind if we call you Marty? Oh, please bro, then call me Marty. You know all my mates call me Marty? Marty Scorsese, thank you for joining us. Wow, my pleasure to be here. And I would say I'm going to extend thank you to you guys for saying such lovely things

about my work. I'm really proud of a lot of the movies I've made and some of the TV shows I've directed episodes of. Of? What other than vinyl? What's another TV show episode you've done that you're proud of? I directed the pilot to Boardwalk Empire.

Correct. Starring my friend Steve Buscemi, of course. He worked with me on a short film I made in an anthology of films called New York Stories. I worked with my buddy's friend, Fort Coppola. And his nephew. His nephew's there too? No, you worked And his nephew. His nephew's there too? No, you worked with his nephew.

Yeah, of course. Nicolas Cage. In? Bringing out the dead, mate. There it is. Bringing out the dead. The ambulance film. And at the time, his wife, Patricia Arquette,

they were married at the time. Yes, they were. So, Steamy Set. Very Steamy Set. Now, of course, we have joining with us, as well as Martin Scorsese, a maker of movies. Films and movies. I would refer to this filmmaker as a dream weaver.

He is, yes. Yes, yes. Loves in my opinion, this is my opinion of this filmmakers movies, but I can't wait to ask them about it. Most films feature the twist. It was me at the end and I can go through that doodle bug. Following. Following, of course, first independent film made himself shot it over weekends. I believe. Yeah.

Doodle bug. Doodle bug. They made Doodle Bug. That was there short in 97 Please so what I know I would say someone who? Grew up with the films of Martin Scorsese, but it's now become a contemporary Yeah, you know we both worked at Netflix at the same time. Did you yeah? I was making the Irish man you guys were making big old house of fun. Oh, no, no, I'm not

We're talking about Christopher Nolan. Oh, no, I thought of you as my contemporary. Christopher Nolan, I think he's a young upstart. Marty, that meant that. Firstly, we're talking about the Nolan upstart thing. That means so much to me. Really? Yeah, that's huge. Marty, I think of you as my, as, you know, you are my guys. I would love to work adjacent to you guys again.

Really? Absolutely. Absolutely. Not with adjacent to. Adjacent to, you know, maybe you can, I can, I can produce a movie for you. Can executive producer film for you one day? Would love to be. I love executive producing films. Really? Yeah.

Name some of the films you've ever paid. Ah, pieces of her. That's a lovely movie. Have you seen the souvenir? No. I produced the souvenir films. Yes. I used my class. There's more than one? Well, there's two. The Souvenir part one and part two. Right. Of course. Of course. I haven't seen it. I didn't know this. They're wonderful

movies. What are they about? About a lady going to film school. She goes to film school. She learns how the craft of cinema. And when I saw this in the pitch package that came to me They said be a pitch deck email going through the deck via email You know, I'm scared of emails but someone else read it out to me out loud and I'm looking at it I'm listening intently and go this is interesting. I've had I shared some of these life experiences of going to film school learning the craft of cinema And I could relate to it and I thought what is the silver screen but a reflective surface to show your own stories back unto you.

So you repeat it. So I go put my EP credit on this one, Bakko. We're going to Hollywood. Even though it's a European film, but we're going to put in Hollywood cinemas too. Film is important for movies and... Well without it, where would it... where would we be? Wow. Without film.

And I think that's... We would have had to wait until digital. And that was that too long of a wait for movie. And I'll tell you this, I'm an old man. I did not have the patience for that. Well, and I know, I don't even want to... please, please. Can we not bring up the Marvel Cinematic Universe? I can already feel him.

Oh, you hear that? You hear that? I can already feel things getting crazy. They've been likened to the Luna Park of cinema. And I think it's a great place to start with our other guest, someone who reinvented the comic book genre. Yes.

Oh, Marty, you are mad. Mad Marty. Mad Marty, Martin. Please welcome the director of Batman and Doodle Bug, Christopher Nolan. Hello, how are you today? Thank you so much for coming. And you're wearing a P. I don't like CGI. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, use it. Yeah, use it a little bit. When you must. Yeah. When you must. Like you took out the poles. I wear a suit. I wear a suit and I don't like CGI. As is my understanding, you use CGI mostly to get rid of poles. Yeah, because I don't like CGI.

I don't think it's very good and I wear a suit to work. Yes, you do. I must say, you know, we already have a fiery discussion here. I think CGI can be used to extend what I already deeply held within film. So you've got a wonderful actor, one of Australia's favourites, Robert De Niro. Al Pacino. Al Pacino, two of the great actors. Mr. Pesci.

Joe. I call him Joe. I call him Joe. I imagine you'd have that kind of working relationship. We have a certain rapport, Joe and I. You know, these are some of the elite Italo actors in the world that has ever birthed. And if you're making a film that is to speak to generations of gangster films,

you know, an epitaph for my life and my career, I want my boys in there the whole time. I don't want some young Shaila beef coming in here, playing a young version of old Joe, you know? And CGI allowed me the opportunity to work with my friends for a few months without getting little guys in the whole time. It looked weird.

You could have done that with makeup though, couldn't you? Cause I don't like CGI. Okay, you could do that with makeup. You could do that. What are you going to do? Paint that clown face on him? What is he a clown? Is he supposed to amuse you?

Like Mr. Joker himself, your favorite guy? Jared Leto. Yeah, I did Joker in my movie. I don't like CG. I don't wear a suit to work. Yes, you do. I'm starting to feel... I wear Versace jeans, mate.

So? Yeah, well, I wear a suit to work. Do you really? You're in code. I do, I do. I wear Versace jeans. Wow. This is simply a forum for discussion here

between two masters of aircraft, Mark, in Christopher Nolan, who we've learnt so far. Who we've learnt so far, where's the suit to wear and doesn't like CGI. I don't care for it at all. I think I'd like... I think I'd like to do it on CGI when you can do it in front of the camera. Yes. Yeah, I agree. Yes. And how do you... If given the opportunity, Marty, Okay. Would you prefer to do real or would you prefer to be on green screen in the vein of an avatar

where you have full control of the... A Sin City. Sin City. Well, you know, I grew up on the streets of Sin City, New York. Many sins were committed and you don't make up for your sins in the church. You make up for your sins on the streets as is the adage that begins mean streets by classic film. What?

What? Did you see that? I did. I saw it. I saw him work some nonsense into the title of one of his films. What is Mean Streets about? Mean Streets tells a story about Charlie. Pickering?

No, that's the project. Oh, is it? What is Main Streets about? Main Streets tells a story about Charlie. Pickering? No, that's the project. Oh, is it? Did you direct the project? I direct the pilot. Really? I love the project. I loved how...

I'm an EP. I love looking for Oving. Well, I just want to say, I just want to say, I loved how the pilot of the project told the news, but a little bit differently. That's it. You know, I take familiar stories or familiar genres and I apply, you know, my little Scorsese-esque twist to them, if you will, my point of view. And Chris, what do you say to that? I say, I like, one thing I like about the project is there's no CGI. I also like that they're all wearing suits, which is something I do when I go to work. Now, Chris, on the film, I have two questions for you.

Oppenheimer absolutely swept the Oscars. I did that explosion for real, no CGI. There were some. I have two questions for you, Chris. I made a little tariff. Chris, I have two questions for you. Firstly, what were you wearing during the shoot? I wore a suit the whole time.

OK. Yeah, I came in and everyone said they'll be wearing tracky daks. No, I'm wearing a suit. And then the second thing is, were you using much green screen special effects on you? No, so what you're thinking of is something called computer generated technology.

And that's not something I like to use. I actually did explosions for real and built a little towel. In terms of if you're wearing a suit on set, what's your favourite fabric? I don't, you know, it's more about it's a suit. It's linen. Yeah, I know, but I wear a suit. It usually wears linen. Yeah, I wear a suit.

All right, well, I was trying to set you up for something there. Could I ask Chris, you know? I certainly not a CGI suit, then I'd be nude. Yes, you would. You'd be covered in green. Yeah, I'd be covered in green nud Yeah, be covered in green nudity. You understand that I don't like that. If you're watching a movie, you're sitting somewhere in a CGI suit, you're going,

you're actually nude to that person. You understand? I don't like that. I don't like that. I feel rotten. I'm so certain of two things with you. One, you don't like CGI and the other, you wear a suit. I love wearing a suit to work. Tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think you've shot a plate in your life. No, I don't even know what I was. There's plenty of plates in Oppadime.

No, I don't mean actually, I don't mean when they're having lunch. I don't mean the plates. I mean, you know, when you just shoot the frame for the background without the performers. You see how Jack... You see how Jack is on top of it. You see how Jack is. Well, they almost called him Fat Man, is that right? Well, he's the actor. He had lots of chicken. You think he ate that with... No, he had to have a plate.

Do it, he's chicken. Yes. He could either have a bag or a bucket, chicken in America, where I'm from, served in buckets many times. Marty, that's a great point. That's a great point. I'd like to drill to is what way is Americans eating chicken? Well, you know, in my family, chicken kachatory style.

Oh, because you're Italian. My mother, Catherine, was a wonderful cook. And she was in some of your movies. What was your favourite scene that you shot with your mum? And then I want to get to you, Chris, about what you wear on set. But first, first I wanted to know about your favourite scene that you shot with your mum. Well, you know, I could say Casino, where she's got a fun little cameo. I could say where she plays my friend Joe's mother in Goodfellows.

But my warmest memory of working with my dear old mum, Catherine, was one day. We actually did an appearance together on the David Letterman program. Really? Yes, you know, because she had written a cookbook with Italian Americans sharing our family's recipes. And we did a little cooking segment together with Dave, and that's what I think back on when I think about my dear old mum, Catherine. Rest in peace.

Yes. Speaking of... Unfortunately, she did die. Otherwise, she would be 400 years old. Really? She would be 400. Talking about some of these heightened concepts when we talk about legacy and the power of fathers and mothers and their parents, that's something I felt quite heavily in your film,

Kandun. Yeah, Kundun, it's actually pronounced. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, it's about the Dalai Lama. Tenzin Gatsu. How much CGI are you having there? Well, you know, we had this wonderful young actor that we found who would play the Dalai Lama young at the start of his life.

And I was like, there's something about this fella. This kid has got a spark, a twinkle in his eye that some of the great, beloved movie stars have. And I said, you know what we're going to do? We're going to keep this kid the whole movie. We've got to keep this kid the whole movie. Really? Yeah.

The child actor who plays the child Dalai Lama. Yes. That famous scene where he runs out into and sees a field of people bowing or praying or... Yes, something like that. Is that the direction you gave that shot? I say, guys, I need you to do one of two things, bow, pray, whatever you feel you're doing, you know, I'm a collaborator. I'm a collaborator, you know.

So, you're the thousand actors. Thousand actors. I'm like, I've got my big my big old horn out I got a big old horn it's like a conical shape and I'm holding out okay gang here's the direction I want you to either pray or bow whatever your heart feels in the moment when you see this young fella pop up you're gonna be moved by it. So embrace that feeling. Embrace that feeling. And lo and behold, once I said action, I felt something.

The emotion of those 1000 or so people. You can't beat that, can you? They'd do that with CGI now, you know? They would do that with CGI. Chris, just let it go. They get four or five people that have them bowled, and and then they put the rest in with computers, you know. Well yeah and you have used quite a lot of CG in your, I mean Batman begins for example. Yeah you're probably, fuck you.

Wow. Okay alright there's no need, I'm just saying that you use it as a tool which I think is fine. Because in what you have, you have the Razzal Ghouls, sort of fortress. We built that for real. You didn't. There's a lot of shots of Gotham that are full CGI. I don't remember that. The bats, full CGI in Batman. You probably got one as a reference for the CGI.

Just like, well, I'm just, I'm getting to something. I'm getting to something here because in Batman, especially in the first one, you use quite a lot of CGI, Batman wears a cape and a cow. Now the cape element in your film, something you're quite afraid of, is that correct? Yeah, I don't. Well, you know, it's interesting that you've brought us together today because I don't know what you're talking about. Why are you talking about freaking roller coasters in my presence? You're talking a KK for you. I made it but I'm talking about the power of cinema right now.

It's a night Marvel movie. I know I was just trying to do it. I don't like Marvel movies either. Well, what is the distinction between the what you're saying? They let me do they let me do quite a bit. I said I don't want any CGI and they were like, all right. I said, we're a six. What's the work? You know, they make cycle there. There's quite a lot.

I'm gonna hold you to that. The whole tram train system, the whole train system. Oh, were you there, were you? No, but I've watched the behind the scenes. Mark, I took a day off in year 12 to go and watch this. This is Christopher Nolan. I'm aware. And the cat doesn't even know when he has or hasn't you see G and he's like,

I don't know. This is Christopher Nolan telling you he didn't. So two things can happen. You can let it go or he's going to fucking throw a punch. Well, I don't want to get hit by Christopher Nolan. One of my favorite filmmakers growing up. Couldn't even hit you that hard on wearing a suit. You know, if I was wearing like...

You see how he used that character real in the corner of that character? Yeah, if I was wearing a gym shirt, I could hit you hard. My shoulders move good, but I can't because I'm wearing a big fluffy suit. And he would hit you real. You think he would hit me real? Because he knows... In the mean streets of London, it's not a night in New York. You know, I grew up in the main streets of London. Wow

I spent some time in America, but most of the main streets of London and you come from I'm a G.I. There you've you from money surely Well, not CGI money. That's for sure. I know that much. Have you seen following is crypto CGI money? I saw computers and everything. You know cameras now they've got little computers inside them. How do you feel about that? I don't like that. No Martin all computers and everything. You know, cameras now, they've got little computers inside them. How do you feel about that? I don't like that, no. Martin, if you had to make a superhero film, and I know you're against them, I know you're against them. In some ways, Aviator is the story of a superhero.

Well, it is a man who can fly. It's a man who can fly. And the power to woo many a dame. And that's one of the greatest powers a bank of possess. Well, I mean Tony Stark, one of the greatest wooers of women, sleeps with many women and then is quite rude to them afterwards in the morning. Yeah, and who's this now? Pardon?

Sorry, who's who? Tony Stark, played by... Who's that? Really, you're that disconnected from it? No, no, who this is? Is he some sort of pop and rock star? No, he's a... Well, I guess he's a fictional character in the Marvel comic books and cinematic universe. I see you wince there. I think it's alright to talk about them. Like, they do exist.

Why do you win? Why do you win? Okay, this is the thing. The children today having their minds turned to mush by these films. I'm using the word film and to hear it come out of my mouth in regards to these, it sickenes me to my beautiful core. And I'm hearing this... Your 35 beautiful core. And I'm hearing this. Your 35 millimeter core. My 35 millimeter core. Within me, I've got melted celluloid coursing through my veins, and that hardens up when I see these films.

Why? Because I worry, I worry, that these films are going into the cinemas, and I'm saying, hey, let me in. I got Killers of the Flower Moon. I'm trying to put my movie on a big screen too. Yeah. Two sessions a day. I got killers of the flower moon. I'm trying to put my movie on a big screen too. Yeah. And two sessions a day.

I want, I know. I want, and they're saying, oh, your movie's too long. Excuse me, Quantumaniacs. That's like seven hours long. That's a really long movie as well. Ant-Man Quantumaniacs. Yeah, it's, it is unfathomable to go to one side and go, oh yeah, this is valuable in here.

Or do you go, oh, Bill Murray does a cameo in the fucking little ghostbusters world? Oh, that's exciting for you to see. Oh, wow. What's happening here? Michael Douglas has to sit in a freaking cockpit of an ant man head. Oh, wow. That's so valuable. And what am I doing?

I'm telling real stories about real people and you know they didn't even shrink down for that they didn't shrink him down that they didn't even shrink it was one thing I loved there was I will admit this they they got Michael Douglas and one of those scenes they made him look real young again and I thought that was interesting all right that was interesting I like that I like that was interesting. Oh, right. Yeah. That was interesting. I like that. I like that. You touched on something about long films. Yes. Yes. Do you think a film can be under four hours?

Hmm. But that's very interesting that you say that. The way you say that is to insinuate that I am not a fan of making short films. That's right. That's what I am asking. Yes. OK. Will you ever make like a 90 minute sort of easily digestible enjoyable movie what I am asking, yes. Okay, yeah, will you ever make like a 90 minute sort of easily digestible?

Enjoyable. A movie that I'm like, yeah, I will go and see that. Well, right now I'm kicking off production on a film that I've promised is 80 minutes long. And it's about one of my heroes, the great superheroes, if you will, if that's gonna get you into the cinema. It's about Jesus Christ. I mean, I had many powers.

Really? Yes. You're really's about Jesus Christ. I mean, I had many powers. Really? Yes. You're really making another Jesus Christ movie. I love that. Didn't you already do one? I made one. Yes, I called the last temptation of Christ, if will him the phone or as you might know him, Green Goggles. I mean, like that's why you can understand what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the only movies I like are

superhero movies with green goggles and you know, you know Any of the other characters? Well, they wear some clothes they In their time travel one they went back in time nude and then they put the clothes on and they're not naked on set They're wearing like a onesie. They're completely nude and they paint their willies green. You seem to be obsessive and crazed about the CG. Yeah, well they used to go back in time. If I did it, I'd go back in time for real.

But they just paint their nude bodies green and put on fake costumes with computers. And I don't care for it. You've got more cockening as times have come. I think you get quite, I think you get passionate about your one non-use and complete misunderstanding of CGI, you get back to that sort of that cockney upbringing that you and your brother Jonathan had. Yeah, he's got an American accent that one.

Yeah, he didn't hold onto it quite as much as you did. I went to, I said to them, I said, can we blow up a real bomb? And they said, all right. That's how I did it. But little ones. Little ones. Yeah, but I made a little, a little towel. I mean, even the special effects supervisor said to say that there's no special effects

since there's all practical effects in Oppenheimer would be a lie. Well, there wasn't though. And you call him me a liar. No, because I know there's certain things. I'm not, because I know there's certain things like when Oppenheimer's in the bed and he's seeing the particles.

I know that was you with a stick going like this. But then also even all that beautiful lights and things. Oh yeah, lots of practical effects, some CG. There was even one scene towards the end of the movie where he was sitting in an office, right? Where he was sitting in the office and they're quizzing him about stuff. This is Oppenheimer.

Right? And we had him nude because we hadn't decided what costume he was gonna wear. Right? Yeah, that's with Florence Pugh. No, it was yeah, he was in, yeah. And he was sitting in the office while they're quizzing him and we didn't decide what he was gonna wear.

So we had him nude and then they were like now we got to decide what suit to put him on I said no, he was nude on the day. He's gonna stay nude there That's that what so that wasn't sort of a thing where he was feeling so vulnerable They just rooted I think that you sort of made that no he's not talking about the fuck scene He's talking about the scene where he's being interviewed and then there's a part where they bring up the affair And he feels so vulnerable that he is then naked. But that's not... Because in that other scene with the two, they're both naked, I thought, because they

just rooted. She was meant to be wearing a bikini and they wanted to put it in with CGI. I said, no, we didn't do it on the day. Wow. Martin. I just wanted to ask Marty a very quick question, please. Of course, of course, bro. While we have you. While you have a chance, you know.

I am DB. You are familiar with I am DB? Yes, of course. Yes. I believe last time you may have even said you are. I am DB. That's true. You are DB. I am quite clever that. Yeah, thank you so much. It's one of my proud moments. According to your biography on this website, Yes.

You have four productions upcoming. Two TV, one an afternoon with SCTV? Oh yes, of course. You guys would be quite interested in your sketch performance, right? That is your trade, that is your custom. So SCTV, it was a Canadian sketch show starring a buddy of mine, Rick Moranis back in the day. And a sweet fella. I hope you've got a sweet tooth, because we've got John Candy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha No, no, it's gonna be called Rosie. Rosie. Yeah, Rosie. Cause it's his nickname.

Really? Americans call him Rosie. And then Gangs of New York, the TV series. Oh yeah. Will you direct the pilot? I love directing pilots. I made the aviator after all. The aviator.

And then The Wage or a Tale of Shipwreck Mutiny and Murder. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck that is. Oh, you know, some of these documentaries, I've just attached that I really have to do much of them. I've got a co-director that does most of the work and I just put my name on it. Yeah. Do a couple of interviews, pop up a little bit, maybe direct the Rolling Stones, sing a couple of songs. Yeah. Well, because you are, as in my understanding, the oldest man

in the world. Oh, I'm up there. I'm certainly up there. How many more films do you think you have in you? Well I feel the sands escaping the top part of the hourglass every day. And all I can do is persevere and keep making movies. After all, it's my greatest joy in life is to sit on a fold out chair with some wooden slats on a canvas in between them, between them holding my little Italian butt up. As I watch what's happening on a soundstage and direct some of the greatest actors that Australia's ever embraced as movie stars from overseas.

Have you said, I'd love to get a little bit of an idea of what Marty thinks of the films of Christopher Nolan and what Christopher Nolan thinks of the films of Christopher Nolan and more Christopher Nolan thinks of the films of Marty Scorsese. Well, you know, why don't we go through, why don't you name some of his films and I'll go each one. Sure. I'll go rather more fresh as he's the one. Oh yeah.

I love that. You love Rocks and Rocks. I love Rocks and Rocks. Yeah, you go on. It tells you what all the critics have said, but does it up as one number? It's wonderful. Yeah, it tells you unequivocally whether the film is good or bad. Yeah, it's combined.

The critics scores combined and if it passes the threshold of 60%, that would be considered fresh. But if you make something where the critics, if their scores combined, only add up to 59% or lower, unfortunately, you got a green rotten tomato on your hands. I love it. It's like throwing rotten tomatoes. You know, do you hold the audience score or the critic score in higher esteem? I'm going to throw this one to Christopher first. What was that there? Do you what score do you hold on rotten tomatoes?

Like, sorry, I was just thinking about all that CGI in movies now. So I didn't need like that man begins. No all that CGI in movies now. So I didn't hear the question. Like Batman Begins. No that didn't have any. I'll tell you what does though, you're talking about all those Marvel movies. That guy heaps the CGI in them. Yeah, that is certainly true. It looks like people floating around in CGI mush. To be fair you had less in subsequent films.

Yeah, don't do it at all. Broden. Yes? How are you? I'm good. I'm just looking at your biography, Christopher. Christopher Nolan. The films you've done so zeitgeist. I'll tell you what I wore. Definitive of it. I'll tell you what I wore on the set of every movie. What? You tell me, tell me a movie. I'll tell you what I wore. I'm going to get suit like. Yeah, that was was that is what I'm going to say. Prestige.

I wore a suit on that. Batman begins. I wore a suit there. Insomnia. When I came to set, I've on insomnia. I wore a suit. Batman. Dark Knight.

I wore a suit. Inception. On that one? Yeah. Yeah, I wore a suit. Marty. Hmm, yes. What are your thoughts on Christopher uh, on Christopher Nolan's film Inception, starring one of your best friends, Leonore DiCaprio.

Oh my gosh, my muse. I love him. What a hunk, huh? Yeah, I think he's a hunk. He learns all these lines. Oh gosh, he certainly does. Most actors do. No, usually you have to CGI their mouths and I refuse to do that. He's a one in a million talent and a stud. And I'll tell you what, that's he is one of my secret weapons, I would say.

Can I ask you an ancillary off that? Of course, ancillary is my favorite style of question. That film that departed. Oh, gosh, yes, yes, yes. A large amount of the characters pass away during the narrative. I actually say they get gutted like fish. They get murdered. 100%.

They get shot in the head and other parts of the body that relinquishes life from them. My question is regarding that. The film is called The Departed and it occurred to me potentially why The Departed might have double meanings. Yes, yes, yes. Why is it called that? Well, it's called the departed because, you know, you have seen through some of my, you know,

the gores that hides a lot of themes in my films, you know, the themes that can be quite deep to the passive viewer, you know, someone who might have had their brain turned to mush by superhero Marvel pictures. They might not be able to detect the themes in there, even though they're right there in the title. So that title does come from a couple of things. I would say one, they are characters that leave scenes every now and then,

and they go, well, they depart. I write that in script. So I write that down, I go, Martin Sheen's character. You don't write the character's name? Oh, no, I say he's character. I write the name, I go, Martin Sheen's character. You don't write the character's name? Oh, no, I say his character. I write the name the first time and I go, well, to just remember who's gonna be on set on what day. And then I just start using the name of the actor

from them forth in the script. So I go, he departs, he departs his scene. And then later on I'll go, well, Martin Sheen's character, he departs for good when he slams into the ground from a tall building that he's tossed off the top of. That scene on top of the roof. Was you really on top of the roof? Oh, we were there.

We were on top of the roof. Oh, absolutely. And yes, I would admit, it was a roof in New York and we put some Bostonian buildings in the background using, you know, digital matte painting. Oh no, no, no. Chris, Chris, let's go. No, let me stay. Chris, let me tell you this, it enhances it.

Because if we were to use your filming techniques, you'll be like, okay, a lot of this movie is set in Boston and we're hanging out on top of this building. We're shooting this in New York, by the way, right now. And you're going, wow, Boston, hang on a sec. Did they fly a copter? I can see the freaking Statue of Liberty in the background, that big, old, beautiful blue lady that work as a migrant in like my family to New York. And you'll be confused.

But this was a Boston set movie. And there's another little thing in there, Broden. I don't know if you would have noticed. A lot of this movie is about people that are duplicitous. They're duplicitous with each other. They act one way, but sometimes behave the antithesis of you. Yes, you know, like a certain creature. A creature that is sniffling, a creature that is scurrying,

a creature that is rodent-like. I'm talking the rat. Oh, there is a rat in the movie. There's a rat in the movie, isn. Oh, there is a rat in the movie. There's a rat in the movie. There is a rat in the movie. There are several rats in the movie. In my opinion, several rats in the movie. Oh, also not just the rodent rat.

There's a rat at the end. Yeah. There's a rat at the end. And I would say if you look at the words, they're departed a little closely. May notice there are some common letters. D, E, P, Rat, E, D, A, R, A, A, T, R. You had a few of them there.

Just say it again slowly if you want. D, D, D, E, P, D, E, P, A, R. You go T, H, E, T, T, E, T, E, D, E, P, A, R. T, H, E, T, T, T. Keep one of those letters in mind. A, A, A, A. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Mhmm. Keep that in mind.

That's one of the letters I'm talking about. I think it's Ratt. I think it's Ratt. I was even thinking that. Oh, R, A, T, R, A, the Ratt. The Ratt. That's so fascinating. You know they'd CG that Ratt now if they made it now Ratt. The Ratt. That's so fascinating.

You know they'd CG that right now if they made it now. Can we input this video on YouTube and just say Martin Scorsese reveals new message in the department? I think it should be called that. I had a question for you. Similarly, I want to know a little bit about... Who me? I'm Christopher Nolan.

You made a film called Inception which is about dreams laid with other dreams. Yeah, that's in that with the suit. But this famously at the end a totem Which lets the character know if they're awake or asleep and you famously hold on Leonardo DiCaprio's character. It's a dream. Is that what you're asking? Yeah, no. He's still a dream. So it does fall out. No, it stays up. It stays up. And then it stays up.

I always meant for it to be a dream, but then it didn't fall. Then it went to fall. I was talking to Leo about this. I wanted it to keep spinning and they said, you know, we can just keep it spinning with CG. I said, no. Right. We'll just cut it when it goes wobbly.

I was talking to Leo about this and he did say it did fall eventually. So I guess that must be surreal. No, but it's worked with Leo. Yeah. I know Leo. He's and they would see him now. Oh, we might. Yeah, you might.

We might do it one day. Yeah, we might because I look at the young Leo. I miss that guy. Oh, that little toy. That sexy little toy. You know, all those days back ago when'm working on Gangs of New York. Basketball diaries. Basketball diaries, they're all great moves I've seen every single one of them.

Gilbert, Greg. And on that note, that concludes our time with these two fours. Titans. Titans. I was going to say, it's lovely to see you again, Marty. Yeah, great to see you. We've been on the award circuit together, right? Yeah, I'm going to be talking to you about Killers of the Flower Moon at the Directors'

Guild screening next week, so I'll see you there again. I'll be there, I'll be there. Did you like that? Did you like that? Did you like Killers of the Flower Moon, Christopher Elton? Well, I'm pretty sure there's hardly any CG in it. Is that right? Very, very little.

Yeah, you built that town for real and real actors and lots of real actors. Have you seen that one with the, you know, the one with the, with the, with the Ben Affleck in it? Have you seen that one with Ben Affleck in it? And, um, no, it's like Gaia. There's a thing in the middle of the world and it goes all funny. There's New New York and it's, um, uh,

some final fantasy spirits within. You said that? Ben Affleck's in that. Yeah. There's New New York and it's, um, uh, uh, Final Fantasy Spirits Within. You said that one. Ben Affleck's in that. Yeah. You said that one. No, I haven't seen it yet. That's the complete CG film. Yeah, I did like that one.

No, it doesn't surprise me. Yeah. So do you not like animated films at all? Because they're all, I would say maybe if you are IMBD, maybe you're CGI am not. I'm not a fan of CGI and I wear a suit to work. Chris, just a note, if you're doing something like this again next week, I reckon just expand out to more information about yourself and your creative process.

There's a lot there but you can see into it. I'm not mad but this has been a bit hard with you only saying two character traits. I said lots of things. I said my opinions on different films. I said what I wore on every single film I was in. But that tended to be the same sort of dead end. Where suit, no CG. Marty talked about apes and stuff. Yeah, I love Marty. Several different films, several different actors.

Oh, he's a personality as much as he's a director, you know? He's a film archivist. He's an actor. You know, all I do is I make my little movies. No CG. I make about a billion dollars. Yeah, but it's a little movie. What do you wear when you shoot them?

Well, I wear. Oh, I wear. See, I think you what you're trying to set up there, because we're towards the end of the podcast, you want me to say, say oh just wear a t-shirt in shorts nope No, because it's not was not my intention No, I'm not giving you that punch line no sir. I'll wear a suit. You wear a suit. I wear a sachi jeans Yeah, go big old glasses and my eyebrows popping out the top of them. Yes, they are. I remember when you played that little CG fish Oh Just as they are. I remember when you played that little CG fish. Oh yes, of course.

That's my finest role in the movie Shark Tale. Working with some of my dear friends, Robert De Niro. Well, what did you think of Hugo? You know, I didn't, I didn't, oh, Hugo, yeah, that's good. But he's seeing him play that little CG fish. That was fun. So you did like that? You know, I didn't know it was CG at first.

I thought he was really playing the fish. That's the power of cinema. You know, when you're in the seat, you can be swept up to another world. What's your thoughts on Milo and Otis? Me? On that one. That was good. They got a real cat and a real dog. Yeah, I didn't like that.

But I didn't mind him as a CG fish. So there you go. You got me on that one. I didn't mind him as a CG fish. Martin, just before we leave, what were your thoughts on Christopher's latest film offering to the world, Oppenheimer? Chris, I'll be honest, I think it's a wonderful picture. It's a wonderful picture we were able to do there.

I think there's one, if I could do one thing, if you know, I were to direct this, because I know in the past we've had our grievances. After all, when I was making the aviator, you said you had wanted to make a same kind of movie about Howard. Yeah, we did. Real airplanes. Well, we did the airplanes too. Oh, nice. They weren't flying in this air. We had them on a set. We just filmed inside them. I think his criticism of your film, I just need you to brace yourself for. Yeah, that's I'm just marking. Yeah, I would say there's one thing, you know, yes, this Killian fellow, wonderful actor, wonderful actor. But I would say this, you've worked with some of your favourites, some of your dearest friends. Michael Cain. Oh, I love Michael Cain. Why not put Michael Cain in the lead role?

Oh, he's too old, isn't he? Here we go. Oh, I see what you've done there. You catch my drift. You're quite clever there because he was too old for me, but maybe not. I'm saying that there is a way to cast your best mates, your favourite actors for the whole movie. Wouldn't you have to get body doubles when they kick people in the back? No, that's the beauty of it. You don't have to. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to. You don't have to. Yeah. You don't have to. You don't have to do that. A lot of people were saying like even to get scenes of Jimmy Hoffa, who never even reached any of the age that Al Pacino has been during the re- the conversion of this movie that

I've made, even sometimes he's getting out of a chair to go, he's looking a bit geriatric. Go Al, do it a couple more times, get younger each time Al. And we'll get there, we'll get there. Just to close us out, your thoughts on Al Pacino's coffee ad. Oh gosh, you know, it was so interesting when I gave Al Pacino, who I know you've worked with in Somnia as well. Yeah, he couldn't sleep in that one. Well, you know, I have a theory as to why he couldn't sleep.

He loves coffee. He absolutely loves caffeine and coffee. And it was so interesting. I remember there was a day on set when I was on set of the Irishman. I'm like, there's a loose script on the table here. Someone has left their script here. I'm thinking, it doesn't have a name on it. Whose script could it be?

I'm going through the pages. I'm noticing a thing on every few pages. There's coffee stains on it. I said, you know a Pichino script. A Pichino script has coffee stains on it. Is that why you call him Capuchino? That's why I call him Capuchino and his best friend, Capajoe. Joe Bessie on there. Have you seen that ad? It's so funny. You know a Pichino script because it's got the coffee stains on it.

It's the coffee stains on it. What do you think of that ad? Oh, I've not seen it, but I will tell you Insomnia was originally about a man that got a good night's rest at the end of every night and then he solved the crime real quick. It is a remake of an older film. Yeah, but that one was about Insomnia. This one was going to be, what if that man got a good night's rest every night? But then you cast the wrong guy for that. He cast the wrong guy and he looked so tired. I said, we have to refute this. So we just CG'd in some not-so-time.

Well, where can people see your movies? Oh, for me, tragically, you can watch mine on Apple. Apple movies. Uh-oh. Apple movies. We had a limited run in the cinema, but now it's available on Apple. I would say get mine on the Blu-ray, you know, because I got to pick all the colours and stuff. What's the one you... you picked every color in that film I've got to pick the colors. They don't let me pick the colors for the Netflix

What's that fucks nerd company you guys love with the DVDs and then people go in the little room and look at it? We both have movies in the criterion collection. Yeah, of course you have got the following is in there Yeah, following is in there I've got the last temptation of Christ is in there. The Irishman has a lovely disc presentation in there. After hours just released and a few of my short films as well. I've collaborated with them on the Mines-Casezi World Simmer project where I release volumes of films that have been hard to find but I've painstakingly restored with my hand. Movies such as Tranceance's, Tookie Boogie are in there. You can find out more about the criterion collection at criterion.com.

Head there, there is currently... Tookie Boogie? Tookie Boogie, it's a Senegalese film. Can we maybe mention Alexi Tulliopoulos' new podcast? Oh yeah! Alexi, our friend. He got us... Well, he's our friend too, he's a mutual friend of all of us.

Well, that guy's a friend of cinema. He's a friend of us all. He got me on here. He got you on here as well. Why does he have to? He's doing a new podcast. Oh yeah, it's a new podcast. I'll let me just lift the veil for a second. Guys, it's me, Alexi Toliopoulos. Wow. It was really hard to stay in character because I am a big fan of Christopher Nolan.

I am quite starstruck to be in his presence. Yeah, no worries about that. You know. Is there, Lindsay, is there cinema music under the Alexi reveals the, like pulls the veil off? I can find, I don't know how well this will suit the vibe. Oh, just chuck it in because what I'll say right now. You're still Nolan. Yeah, because I am Nolan. Yeah, it in. Because what I'll say right now. You're still Nolan.

Yeah, because I am Nolan. Yeah, great film maker. What I've got to say right now, third detail about me, what's happening right now, is a twist eh? It was me the whole time. I love the twist. This is very appropriate.

This is like when the politician was nasty at the end of the Baphynoma. This is like a little bit of Fellini-esque music, you know, Nina Rota is playing those keys, fiddling away at that little harp or whatever that twinkling sound is. I'm not a music guy, I love movies. You flew from Sydney here, got in a vehicle, Uber, Uber.

Came straight here. Absolutely, I came straight here. I was like, I wanna hang out with my buddies. I'm gonna get to meet Chris. Yeah. Which is me, I'm Chris from Noland. What's your new show? I've got a new show.

It is called The Last Video Store. And what it is is a podcast about the films that we love. Guests will come on and they'll tell me about a few movies that they love, a new release, and a few older films. And it's presented to you in the style of a rental combo like you would get back in the day at a video store. Seven for what will happen seven weeks for seven dollars. I will give you a bespoke personalized

Now I can hear But then I will give a bespoke customized Recommendation based on the guest taste based on the guest's pics So we've had we got Cameron James. Would you believe it's gonna be always a friend of yours? We got Luke Bracey, Hollywood Hunk from Hacksaw Region, many other movies And Polly Bennett who is the choreographer for Soul Burn, Elvis and Bohemian Rhapsody And maybe even a Zachary Ruane And Chris you would love that fellow

If he wears a suit to work, he's alright by me Alexi our audience I love you and we're very I'm sure they're gonna be wrapped at your back Oh, it's a pleasure to be back as you adjust the headphones We'll see you next week. See you next week. You've been listening to the Antidona podcast. Thanks for joining us for another RIP episode brought to you by antidonaclub.com. See you next week.