Aunty Donna Podcast - Podcast Ep 196 - Australia's Greatest Dectective

Episode Date: May 16, 2020

Ron, da greatest detective in Australia talks us through the most chilling murder case of his career. patreon.com/auntydonna auntydonna.com haventyoudonewell.comJoin The Aunty Donna Club: https://www.patreon.com/auntydonnaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planet broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Get a, my name is Ron Edels. I'm Australia's greatest detective. I've been to some of the worst crime scenes that Victoria has ever seen. And I'm retired, I recall some of the worst crimes that I saw across my career. Whoa. I came across the murder of Broden playing it up a bit in 1987. It was a time, I mean 2005.

It was a time in Melbourne when crime was running amuck everywhere. So I went down to the crime scene and it was this is one of the most incredible stories of my time in the in the in the as a detective. I'm Ron Edels and I'm a crime detective opening titles. I went down to the set of the weakest link. I walked in and there was the body of Broden playing it up a bit. It was one of the worst crime scenes I'd ever been to. His hands were tied behind his back with fishing wire and he'd been hitting the face quite a while. There was also come everywhere. I knew at this point,

I'd need to speak to some of the people who were here at the time. The first person I met was a bloke called Man Who Loves Cabins. I sat down with him, I said, Man Who Loves Cabins, tell me what happened here today. Hello, hello, hello. He didn't respond to me when I asked him what happened here today

He pretty much just said hello hello hello like he was from some 70 sitcom made in Britain Sorry, I asked him again mate. Do you want a cup of tea? Oh? You know what I would love a cup of tea. Do you know why? Why is that mate because the thing about a cup of tea when you really know why? Why is that mate? Because the thing about a cup of tea, when you really think about it, is that the cup is a cabin for the tea. Fear enough mate. No, because that's the thing about a cabin. If the tea cup is made of wood and the tea is living in it, you Oh yeah, that's not a cabin. I know you have to investigate a crime here, bro.

I mean, what's your name, Ron? My name's Ron Edels. Ron. On Australia's greatest detective. Within the crime community, they call me the great man. I just have one quick question for men. Sorry to interrupt this interview. I love him, Zach.

I'm competing on the show. I just have a quick question for the man who loves cabins. Me and who loves cabins. In your opinion, is there anything that isn't a cabin? Yeah, some things aren't a cabin. I would say the most, the thing that is probably lethal to me is like something that looks like a small house made out of wood that's out in the wilderness.

That is not a cabin. Okay, and I will fucking die on that thord. I will lay on that thord. Most other things are a cabin. I just... A TV is a cabin for people's dreams. Okay, so the one thing I would describe as a cabin you've discounted. Oh really?

Would you call that a cabin? Yep, I'm a lovely love cabin. I don't want to talk about the visual here, but on the Zoom call you've got what you've just described in your background. It's the one thing that's a cabin. It was at this point that I realized two of the suspects were getting heated with one another, so I separated them away from each other. Goodbye.

Sit down. Bye, back. I'm, they said goodbye to one another. I hate you so much, man, who loves cabins. I want to tie your hands with fishing wire, bash your head for a long period of time, and then come everywhere. That's how much I hate you. And I've done that before and I'll do it again to you.

All right, see you later, guys. It was then that one of the detectives noted some very strange things, the Zach. One of the guys are there, that bloke there, that day said. And we wrote it down to investigate later. I'll sat down with me and all those cabins. I love you, I love you. I loveins. Did you want a cup of tea? I would love a cup of tea.

No cream, no milk, no sugar for me, just black tea. So, what I've done there is we said a communal sharing. I came to his level and talked to him like another bloke. I wasn't just some guy. I was good. I'm sorry, it was really good when you did that. guy. Yeah, with good. I'm sorry. It was really good when you did that. Yeah, we love that.

We love that you do that. That's all right. I remember how much fun that was. It was at that point, man, it happens. Came in on the interview. That was too much. I just say Ron,

big hand of how you built that rapport with this on the day. Yeah, that was good. It wasn't it. You're really good at your job. This one. Anyway, let's go back to us in 2005. Yeah, I loved it when it felt the crime. Yeah.

You wanted to see after what I had said that it wasn't me that did it. Yeah, I know. What was that crazy? Well, we had to eliminate you as a suspect. We couldn't eliminate you and to begin with, but we did down the track. That's right, because they had a good alibi. He was in the bathroom when it happened.

That's right, remember? That's right. But we'll go into that. We'll go into that. Sorry, sorry, it's your turn. Sorry, we can't hear you. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry.

Sorry, sorry. Sorry, I'll probably ruin it if you got to be honest. I was talking about Kevin, so I get excited. I just want to get in there, though. I was talking to him as human beings, not as suspects for a crime. No. No. Man, I love cabins.

Yeah. Where were you at the time of the murder? Though I was on, I, I saw the murder happen. OK. I know, did it. Oh, I can't remember. Oh, can't remember. It was at that point he said he couldn't remember who did the murder, but that he'd seen the murder. I'd seen it. So I asked him again, well mate, if you saw the murder, how come you can't remember? Because I was

in Thine, the cabin. You were inside the cabin. No, I didn't find our cabin. Our cabin. So when you say you saw it, what have you seen if you're inside a cabin? Well, I don't remember. Because I thought. What I thought I thought was a murder, but actually it was a man

It was a that maybe I can maybe I can help here. I I saw the same thing and Robinson pretended to murder Fancy Broden as sort of to demonstrate how cruel she was for the cameras. Wow.

That was as part of the filming of the episode. It was then that we could eliminate Manu Love's cabins as a suspect. Thank you, thank you. He was in a cabin at the time and couldn't have done the murder. So I went over to Zach. Who'd earlier said he wanted to murder someone in the exact way that man Broden playing it up a bit,

was murdered. So I sat down with him, mate, do you want to dart? Do you want to cigarette? Yeah, I'd love one, thank you. No worries, I'll have one too. Now I don't smoke, but I do when I'm talking to Crooks, because it gives me a chance to have something in common with him. I met him down at the Shepherd and Forty-Oval.

Zack, tell me what happened at the murder, mate. So I will, I just got finished this cigarette. He didn't want to talk until he'd finished his dad. Can I have a part? I thought that was curious. Yeah, there you go, man. Thank you. Thank you.

Man of life's kept its came along to my private interview. A Shepherd and I were kept in the same place. Manelam's Keppits came along to my profiting interview. A manelam's Keppits. Have you seen, um, have you seen, um, Vendant like Beckham? No, I have seen. I thought that went all the way to New York. I've seen it. That's one of my favorite sport, man.

It's a bit great. I love the way it's out right now. It combines community, culture and sport. And the way they interact with one another, it's fantastic. Ron, do you want to bet? I've got one mate. I don't have another.

I thought that down with Ron. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it.

I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. I'll go with it. into his private interview, but I was at this point that men who loves cabins started doing the flashback of Ron in the investigation and I thought this is a little weird and a few

too many layers of the... I remember when Ron asked me about the murder and I said I saw it and then did a bit that wasn't very well thought out or I said I saw it but then I was in a cabin and I regret that I regret doing that bit I was at this point in the interview process that I can eliminate Zach from being part of the murder because it was far too hard to get a hold of what the fuck was going on So I eliminated him from the crime It was then though it and spoke to the mother of Broden playing it up a bit. Miss Boobies. Hey, there you go. Miss Boobies. I'm gonna find the bloke who did this. Yep. We're gonna find that man. I've been.

There was at this point that many loves to get this. I've decided that he was also a crime detective. And he was gonna help me along the process. We're going to find a man that killed your... If it's the last thing I do. Can I just ask really quickly? So, you're not going to investigate me. When you say, I'm going to find the man who did it, you're not going to investigate if it was me.

Well, I'm not eliminating you as a suspect. I'm just find the man who did it. You're not gonna you're not gonna investigate it was made. I'm not eliminating you as a suspect I'm just talking to you But if you say the more you talk the more you're thinking we might have to eliminate you as a suspect to move on No, that's cool. Mrs. Boobs. Where were you on the night of the crime? Yeah, I was I was Sorry, man, I love scab and Yep, can you just take a step back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you want to dart? I love it.

I would love mine. Yeah, I would dart. It was then that me, Mrs. Boob's and Manila's cabins talked about the crime together over a couple of darts. So where was I when the crime happened? I was at the ninth lectern, the ninth sort of stand. Oh, you were there. Yeah, where, what was I doing there?

I was bashing someone repeatedly in the face. And while they, how... Hang on, Ron, why are you in that? Ron, did you hear what she said? Oh, dude, she just said she doesn't love cabin. I Never said that I never said I Give yourself a muddy Chica roll with a little sauce

Do you want to give me your potato scallop? I tell you what if you have a Chica roll. I'll have one too You're right. The starter report with man gonna report with Man Who Loves Cabins. Oh, Chico rolls. Do you want a thawth? I love, yeah. Only if they've got them in the little squirty one. I don't want it from one of them, draw her whole bottles.

Mr. Booth is, anything I can get from the milk bowl. Yeah, I'd love a dim sim. I didn't know they had dim sims here in the UK. Yeah, we'll get your dim sim. Anyone want like a double dip? No. Go away. All right. Go away.

I don't want to step on your toes. All right, we just became partners. I don't want to get in. I don't want to get in. We never became partners. Well, you know, that's not what the chief of belief at the day we're out there. All right, I'm going to go.

I love captain. All right. Mrs. Boobs. Yeah. We're saying exactly what happened to the victim. Yeah. At that point, I could eliminate her as a suspect. Why?

The next person I spoke to, I just need to be really clear. I did it. I wore dinner and I'm covered in his own come. I thought that's disgusting. So I tied his hands with fishing wire and bashed his head in, but he didn't die. He wasn't dead. So that's the twist.

It was then that the Toxitology report came in. He was not murdered by the trauma. He'd taken cyanide pills that had been slipped into his, um, into his rum dandy, his favorite drink. Isn't that a good twist though? Because you, because I just described everything you thought that killed him. That's why it's important to never get convinced of a crime. I was set to arrest miss boobs for the murder Shave I probably should do with them. I you should probably still arrest me for viciously beating Prod am playing it up a bit Still a bit back crime listen

Hmm I'm a detective. I'm here to solve a murder not to get into the minutiae of who should be arrested and who shouldn't wait There was at that point wait wait man who loves cabins, moved on to the next man. I sat down at the local corner pub with a man called Man Who Hates Cabins. Now this was a vicious bloke. I sat down with him. Alright mate, do you want a dimension T? Oh, ring ring ring. My phone is ringing.

One moment. It was at that point that he's phone rang Hello Hello Hello To me yeah who are you? I'm your a complex Yes, that's right. I remember the accomplice who came with me to murder Broden playing it up a bit. Very early in my career, I remember to bring a patent pen and to write down anything interesting I heard.

So as he spoke to whoever was on the other side of the phone, I wrote down all the details. The first thing he said was particularly interesting. the details. The first thing he said was particularly interesting. It was a shame though that he didn't, that he was already dead from cyanide. From cyanide when we got there. He said something about cyanide. Maybe you should say what I just said. So I've got just so you know my accomplice. I've got a Ron Dittlestouch here. Oh I love him. I love him. I've got a Ron Dittlestouch here. Who is the I love him. I love him.

I love him, little bitch. In Schwartz. They call me the man. Great name, in prepare. No, I've got a feelin' he likes cabins. So I like him very much. He said he didn't like me because I didn't like cabins. Now I love cabins.

I'll stay in a cabin any day or the week. But I suspect he is a cabin. Ring ring ring ring ring. No I'm not a cabin. I'm a bloke, a simple detective who solves crimes. Just ah, will you keep it down? I've got another call. Hello. Oh hello there. This is the, this is on the, on the head of police, on the chief of police. Like calling me. Men who hates cabins? Yes.

I've, I haven't liked Ron or men who loves cabins work so far. They're not working together. That's why I'm promoting you to their boss. And if they can't work it out, they're both fired. See you later. Goodbye. Who was that? Well, that was the chief of police. What's their name?

Their name is... ...Gurr crimes of Grindelwald. Alright, go on. Check, see how it goes. So, they... They have a message for you and men who loves cabins. Yeah. I'm your boss now.

You can call him if you want some clarity man. Can I borrow your phone? I'm sure. Yeah. Thank you. Hello, Chief of Police, Zachary Wayne speaking. Listen, I'm looking for Mr. Cromes of Grindelwald. Is he there? Uh, is the Cromes of Grindelwald?

Yes, that's my co. I forgot that was his name. That's my co-chief of police? This blinding moment. It sounded to me like Zach, one of the suspects was pretending to be the chief of police to get me off the trail. I investigated a little more. What's going on?

Hey man, it's me. Um, crimes of Grindelwald. Actually, that sounds like a pretty good name for a film. I might send an email to JK Rowling about that. Hey man, how you doing? I'm the chief of the police. Who knew that? He actually would do that.

And JK Rowley wrote a book called Cross Grindelwald and Zach made all the money 15 years later. Um, so he's, well I'm not Zach, I'm Cross Grindelwald. So it's just my name. But I think you're Zach playing Cross Grindelwald to try and get Ron Hiddlest off the set. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. So, here's what's up. I haven't been happy with how you and man

who loves cabins have been working together. You've always bickering, you're stepping on each other's offers, you're just hating on each other. Definitely not true. Obviously, I'm really busy here at the chief of police headquarters. So I can't watch over you.

So I've promoted man who hates cabins to keep a close eye on you. And if you guys can't work it out. I hate him. If you guys can't work it out, you're both getting demoted to just being street cops. Is that Broden on the phone crime to get in the wall? Can I talk to him?

Yes, you'll think, man. I'll put you on. Thank you. Friday. And what he said next was the most shocking thing I'd heard in this case to this point. And I'll tell it to you after the break. I was sitting down with Manu Hakes cabins when a phone call from the chief of police came through and then he ended the phone to Manu loves cabins

who I thought was with me but he was actually somewhere else and that's and he said, I'm out of shock anything. Have you picked up the fish and chips for lunch? What? Have you? So I did order a fish and chips. I wanted a chicken roll mate. Yeah. I wanted a chicken roll. No, I bumped it up again, didn't I?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. They didn't have the sauce. I got all confused. I ordered a haddock and scampy. I'm sorry. Give me the phone. All right, chronic, we're in the wall. It's pretty, pretty pissed, pretty pissed.

I'm gonna put you on speaker, so you both hear this clearly. I'm sick of your shit. Bickering about chicken rolls and fish and chips, when a man has been murdered, You guys have to sort your shit out, or else you're both being demoted to being just like cops that at a sports game. Is that brooding on the phone?

Sorry, I'm sorry, who are you? I'm Manu8's Cavins. I'm starting to suspect we're very close. Why am I on the phone right now? Oh yeah, he's just here. Hey man, I'm sorry I'm gonna hang out the phone. As it was at this point that the crime became too confusing, much like the plan, the lanterner, the characters of this murder started to entwine. I thought this was going to be a agatha Christie, it's turned out to be a fancy career out of it.

I sat down with Anne Reenan. Anne, what do you feel like? Do you want a glass of coke? Do you want a sprite? I mean, actually, I'm formally a dietician so I'll just have a water, thank you. Because she was a dietician, she wanted just water. I'll write Anne I'll have a water too. We sat down and drank some water.

Did you do the murder? Um, yep. It was at this point, the third person had confessed to the murder. Everyone kept saying that they did the murder. Oh, the murder. Everyone keeps saying that they did the murder. Oh, the murder? Just to be very clear, I made him a cake, I put cyanide in it, I fed it to him. And that was the how I solved the murder. We brought her into the St. Kilda Police Station.

We had to... We had to... We had to... We had to be broken, playing it on the pitch. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't.

I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. I'm afraid I didn't. question people and I asked it. And what did you do it? He was making an Instagram channel where he was doing short videos

that would do where he would make short cake videos but he was lying. He would say that you could make cake videos, but he was lying. He would say that you could make creme caramel in the, you can make caramel in the microwave, which you can, but the way he was saying to do it wouldn't work.

He was making shards of caramel that was dangerous. He was doing things with boiling hot sugar that was dangerous. So I had to- It was because Ian Reden was an online cook that she'd in like the things that brought and planned it up a bit was doing. She also didn't like the way that YouTube

changed its algorithm. I got what- Yeah, so that was sort of generally what happened there. I got what- But 100% murdered him? Yes, sure. One question for you, Ian. You say you murdered him.

But I want to know, if a house has weather boards on the front, is that a cabin? No idea. No idea. If you have a question about healthy eating or baking or YouTube, I can help you out there. If it's a question about cabins, I would probably look in woods. Do you know anyone who knows a lot about cabins or loves cabins? No. No?

No, I don't. Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. OK, it's me, Crimes of Grindelwald. Just wanted to say, I saw you two questioning Anne Reardon about the murder of Brodom playing it up a little bit. Yeah. You guys have done a really good job. So I'd like to promote you to both being co-heads chief of police and I will be because I've been elected

Prime Minister of the Liberal Party of Australia. No, that's... Stop, stop everything! It was at this point, the fancy Broden came in. And... You don't have to take the fall for me. The... for me. The fancy Broden came in and told famous YouTuber Anne Reading from the head of baked that channel that she didn't have to take all the blame for the murder.

Okay And said that was fine. Oh, then I asked I said down with fancy broden. Broden, do you want a mocha master? I sat down with Fancy Brodin'. Brodin, do you want a mocha master? Um, uh, yeah. You want a mocha master coffee? I would love a mocha master coffee because I would accept nothing less than. I said, right, I made all of a Fancy coffee too.

Now usually, I just like a bloody brew, a bit of a VB or an instant coffee, but I'm sitting down with a bloke and I want to get to know him. Why do you, why did you say, and didn't have to take the thing for the murder? Uh, I was tired It was at that point I was just ready to tie it

Explained that he was a bit tired so he came into a fr- into it into a questioning room at the police headquarters I told a mirror that she didn't have to take a blame for the murder I'm gonna then when I asked him why he just said because he was a bit tired I'm gonna go and maybe having that I'm gonna be a big bad full of money Hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up I'm Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. I'm, uh, Crimes of Grindelwald right now. Hold up.

Chief Crimes of Grindelwald is the other prime minister. When I said I was going to promote you too, um, that was before this stupid idiot came in and interrupted everything. I don't think you've got as much of a control over this case as as I thought I'm sorry I think it's into teerele I just Just sleepy. I just really didn't get a lot of sleep last night. That's all you've let Anne read and go She clearly killed

Brought a little bit this guy's In the other room she's still yeah just she's- This guy's just an attention- I've bought it in the other room. She's still here? Yeah, I'm just making a cake entirely out of vanilla. Wow, that's very impressive. Maybe I'll promote her to Chief of Police. No, don't do that. No, no, she-

She killed him, she killed him. And I'm going to demote you to be just a street cop working footy games. Who you talking to? Um, what's your name again? Bad C-Brother? Ron Itles. Ron Itles. I've demoted Ron Itles to just, you know those guys out the front of football game?

Like cops are just like big events and stuff out the front? Yeah, they're... So who they are, right? Is they are different police from different, you know, precincts. So they, you know, they roster on 40 days because they're an easy shift and you get to go in and younger, footy cops,

you're at cops usually, we'll come and do a day at the MCG, but there's no like police station in the MCG. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. So, but you're demoted to being just a street cop now. Right, I know. But at that moment, I realized I'd been in the brunt of the crooks and the screws for 50 years.

And I retired at the top of my game. Ian Reardon was behind bars, and I could tell my stories in a book called The Great Man. And Readin was behind bars, and Readin, who is a real person, is a man. We know, and she's a good person. And Readin is a woman who we once went to at Los Angeles with because Scream Australia and Google sent us there to learn how to make good YouTube videos. Wait, is this Ron?

This is Ronald Broden. No, I was there too. I was. I came on Skipperhead. You guys made the 1999 series after it. That's right. Yeah. Made a magic trick channel

where I did different magic tricks. And then, how to bake that series? But that was the end of my time as a copper. And that is the end of this week's episode of Who Did It? Ed read and murdered that character. And they all lived happily after. Riddler, riddler, riddler. Next week on the Ancietana podcast, and read and murdered that character and they all lived happily after. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr financial crisis, dealt with the dip in the mining boom of Australia, and dealt with internal problems within the Liberal Party. Crimes of Grindelwald 2005 to nine. That's next week on the anti-donner podcast. The greatest

prime minister of all time, but also the worst. Also the worst. It's a bit of an alternative history. Ideas. So the idea is like a Tarantino-esque. Yeah, so the idea is that in 2005 John Howard called a SNAP retirement. His replacement in his seat was instead of Maxine McEw, it was Crimes of Grindelwald, former chief of police. He won, he gets nominated to the head of the Liberal Party, calls a SNAP election, and it's an alternative history. What would have happened if former chief of police, Crimes of Grindelwald was the prime minister of Australia in 2005, a very different picture of history,

I think, very exciting episode I can't wait. We'll find out next week on the Anti-Donna podcast. And of course, if you want to join us on Patreon to see the full video clips of these episodes, go to patreon.com slash anti-donna, become part of the anti-donna club powered by Patreon. Anyway, welcome to After the Podcast, a special program after the anti-donna podcast. Well, we discuss everything that we saw previously. I got an exciting, exciting episode. Huge episode. Absolutely. So I'm of course the Zach Ruin. This is my co-host Broden Kelly and Mark Bonano. Hello, hello, hello. Big fans of the podcast and some big

twist. What did we think of the big reveal that it was Anne Reardon that did the murder? Well that was huge. Yeah, it was huge. For me, she confessed surprisingly easily. Yeah. I was some, I was expecting a little more, a little more, you know, like maybe an interrogation, something like that. Yeah, because before the podcast,

we liked the discussion, I think I'd heard in the writers room, was that they wanted to be like an agatha Christie, like someone dead at this, red herrings, but what seemed to happen is that we, Ron Edel's asked, and read him. Was the third person he interviewed? First of all he asked, yeah, yeah. And we had nine characters.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So six morning interview, but then he didn't need to interview six more. No, not because I didn't read it. It's almost a V. It reads a little bit like, now I don't want to guess too much about what was happening behind the scenes at the time, but my guess is, spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert, but my guess is baby Zack misread the time and thought the podcast was over. Oh, maybe he wrapped it up. Speaking it was the end. And when it was only 20 minutes in. And then what's fascinating about that is that then when it did come to a sort of natural conclusion, conclusion, other people checked the time and saw that we were still under and we started riffing about something else and trying to make up the time.

It's very, very interesting trying to make up the time. It was very, very interesting thing to happen in the episode. And maybe, it was funny at the end there were, one of them said, I think there's just 30 seconds left if we wanna hit the 30 minute mark. And then things started to wind down after that. Absolutely, and they did start to wind down.

You guys know that I'm a big anti-donna podcast. That's why I'm the host of this show. Listen to the moral four to five times. That crime, that crime episode, that really reminded me of anti-donna podcast, episode eight featuring Michelle Brazier. Of course, we all remember that and the shitty quality of Mark's mic. What episodes of the Anti-Donna podcast,

this one reminds you of maybe there's some of the classic episodes. I know, Bro, you're a big fan of the YouTube channel and you like to compare the podcast to the YouTube channel. What are our thoughts? How does this fit within the canon of anti-donna? Yeah, I agree. For me, it was very...

was very... But, but, but, but! There were things... However, however, could there be? Some really interesting thoughts there from Mark and Broden, big uber fans of the Antidona. Love it. Universe. Huge. Huge.

Love the characters, love the crazy guests. What do you guys think about the rumors of an Antidona team up? All three members of Antidna coming together for a video. That'd be huge. Oh man, can you even imagine how funny that would be? Can you even imagine how funny that would be? Can you even imagine how funny that would be? I would pay to see that.

Can you even imagine? Join us next week on After the Podcast. We're joined by Barjo and also Tegan Higginvothan. Thanks for my childhood. Fuck! I'm afraid it's that great and this has been After the Podcast. Oh no. What?

The program playing it up a bit has been murdered. Yeah, I happened 10 years ago, man. Oh, sorry, I just, sorry. I was just reading your blog and I thought, I thought that was a new post. I must, I'm on page seven. Sorry, I've gone to the, what are you doing? I got to the website. What are you doing, man?

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